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< 1380586668 482532 :Ghoul__!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egqnctigwjddugmu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1380587135 329121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24328773 news article about hot, naked finns
< 1380588088 498737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly what i expected.
< 1380588145 371939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool that you can get a sauna box for watching the ice hockey game
< 1380588183 782545 :Ghoul__!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-anbshsltmmzctsnj JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380589032 168321 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1380589207 954211 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Racket-style metaprogramming is compilation-like, and Tcl-style metaprogramming is interpretation-like, what is Ruby-style metaprogramming?
< 1380589286 592805 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1380589508 323764 :john_metcalf!~john_metc@108.19.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1380589514 424030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: bbc's habit of dropping all accents looks really weird when clashing with finnish vowel harmony
< 1380589519 904798 :impomatic!~digital_w@108.19.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1380589551 743479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, i _new_ loyly couldn't be correct, despite never having seen the word before.
< 1380589566 428238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*_knew_
< 1380589577 56629 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If compilers can't understand the program, humans probably don't have a good shot either"
< 1380589581 39313 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exact quote
< 1380589591 921151 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or almost)
< 1380589654 660767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and it gets particularly ridiculous when they're making a short _dictionary_...
< 1380589692 90434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Forth-style metaprogramming, Unofficial-MagicKit-style metaprogramming, CLC-INTERCAL-style metaprogramming, etc?
< 1380589838 793088 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1380590379 446516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonghits-style metaprogramming
< 1380590609 122593 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-240-172.public.wayport.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1380590737 760983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24330722 they managed to keep an ı in kısanak but dropped a lot of other accents.
< 1380590749 126259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also that looks like some progress)
< 1380590840 321531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the policy is that they will always remove dots but never add them
< 1380590861 312829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1380590924 748867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sirri sakik should have had the dots dropped too, so it's simply very inconsistent.
< 1380591076 283784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also gulten kısanak is still not _correct_, there are two other letters that _should_ have accents. and wikipedia thinks the e should be an a.)
< 1380591126 324857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my font makes ı look ugly :(
< 1380591132 969465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should look exactly the same as i without the dot, yeah?
< 1380591143 226346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does here.
< 1380591208 782106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does for me.
< 1380591283 170700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about İ
< 1380591315 755822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :İ and I look similar
< 1380591349 364422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is İ?
< 1380591364 711413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf -----###
< 1380591386 681782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :♥
< 1380591392 930555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the only reason i came back
< 1380591451 290892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what is it and why does it sapple
< 1380591460 878258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SHES
< 1380591487 511142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry my recollection of dmm australian is weak
< 1380591516 146524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1380591899 585635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote aaaaaurgh. you're making me think on a Monday! that shouldn't be happening!
< 1380591903 505119 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1114) aaaaaurgh. you're making me think on a Monday! that shouldn't be happening!
< 1380592618 841699 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380593711 808612 :AwfulProgrammer!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rysxckvsqnuwjwrr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380593877 979852 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define-syntax-rule (defer . e)
< 1380593878 162128 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : (defer-funcall ((λ () . e))))
< 1380593897 707968 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, Racket? Some languages don't have lambda syntax that's so verbose people feel like reaching for macros to hide them in
< 1380594426 590951 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I'll admit how the list of definitions in DrRacket knows about defines produced by macros
< 1380594431 477931 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^that that's neat
< 1380595704 489453 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least from a "that would be completely impossible in Tcl" standpoint
< 1380596112 255834 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i looking at an entire convorsation
< 1380596120 652875 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it seems you are talking to yourself
< 1380596388 238056 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: we get that a lot around here
< 1380596574 365225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is nothing against oklopol's famous monologues
< 1380597613 803601 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: Sometimes an entire conversation does involve talking to yourself, in here, mostly in case someone else doesn't want to answer for some reason (such as not knowing the answer, or not on the IRC window)
< 1380597879 179686 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an obvious type mismatch between Qoppa and Racket
< 1380597890 143190 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket functions take values, Qoppa operatives take code
< 1380597933 581930 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qoppa "functions" should ideally just be operatives that eval the code they're passed, so can't just say "Only Qoppa functions may be passed to Racket code"
< 1380597970 391978 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Racket values, when given to a Qoppa operative, are sort of opaque things that the only thing you can do with them is eval to get an actual value
< 1380599249 850124 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were the days
< 1380599315 158370 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the days were those.
< 1380599337 363684 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i have a feeling the guy who wrote the sauna article has never even been to a finnish sauna
< 1380599346 796202 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Within seconds a wave of moist heat creeps up around your ankles and over your legs before enveloping your whole body. Your pores open up and sweat covers you from head to toe."
< 1380599359 307555 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :creeps up around your ankles?
< 1380599515 573551 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also loyly should obviously have umlaut
< 1380600276 303440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: see further discussion about how they mangled turkish
< 1380600386 43938 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i should have called them qopperatives
< 1380600463 299058 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i kind of guessed that you have already mentioned the loyly issue
< 1380600503 966416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/diPCS5C.jpg
< 1380600504 747701 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could have at least written loulu
< 1380600526 22364 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: thanks for the nightmares
< 1380600528 648631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw
< 1380600565 51970 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1nhglw/test_alliance_is_disbanding/
< 1380600898 46516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp the US government is officially shut down
< 1380600933 338409 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy mad max day! hand over your fucking water or i'll blow your head off
< 1380600949 669092 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have fun
< 1380600976 951870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well if you were in #ptopology you'd already know where I stashed the water
< 1380600987 227199 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1380600994 235342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : btw the deal in exchange for me telling y'all where I put the emergency water is, you have to promise not to murder me in an apocalyptic looting-type scenario unless I've already turned into a zombie. in that case, go nuts, have fun with it
< 1380601010 182216 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does "fun" include experimentation
< 1380601036 847924 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zombi-curious
< 1380601120 632323 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking more like, vivisection, but i'm willing to spread out. like, mentally, in addition to spreading out your orifices.
< 1380601136 468736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me
< 1380601435 604320 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is the worst person to ever live, i dont fucking care what you say but he has destroyed more peoples lives than hitler and god and godhitler combined
< 1380601449 635315 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1380601451 924060 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc
< 1380601463 883502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi <3
< 1380601503 423769 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"godhitler" are we talking about persona 2 here?
< 1380601718 262105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :veni, vidi, fovit
< 1380601734 49172 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1380601744 780152 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are talking about the pussy version of kmc
< 1380601762 724696 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry, is swearing allowed in this chan)
< 1380601769 908939 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dies
< 1380601801 36266 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it fuckin ain't
< 1380601805 846748 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pussy" is kind of a shitty insult though
< 1380601819 955242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: I do not think there is a rule against it, but nevertheless I advise against swearing too often that that just convolutes stuff.
< 1380601820 960492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the whole "calling someone the worst person to ever live for no reason" thing is the bigger issue
< 1380601830 738332 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i forget, was the hitler god or someone else
< 1380601916 429848 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1380601917 875374 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't play 2
< 1380601937 145342 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh wow i thought you were a persona authority? way to lie about your authority
< 1380601937 290880 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just know persona involves killing god and 2 has hitler somehow
< 1380601942 358634 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know 3 and 4 >_<
< 1380601948 370545 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should mention that hitler is also your dad
< 1380601950 124702 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good game imo
< 1380602034 886896 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://web.archive.org/web/20110110081155/http://overcompensating.com/posts/20080603.html
< 1380602104 294075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes fuck
< 1380602114 878832 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.17910
< 1380602117 225229 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i was self cleaning
< 1380602124 16915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't you
< 1380602147 721959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 242
< 1380602149 550793 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :242) okay see in my head it went, you send from your other number smth like "i'd certainly like to see you in those pink panties again" and she's like "WHAT?!? Sgeo took a pic?!?!?! that FUCKING PIG"
< 1380602154 184405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty curious about the context of this one................
< 1380602219 623766 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a woman who seemed to like me but when I texted her had no idea who I was
< 1380602230 573167 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I had given her my number before
< 1380602239 369311 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And had texted her before telling her who was texting her
< 1380602252 173023 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that sounds creepy
< 1380602259 471688 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :/
< 1380602266 548769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did she have pink panties tho
< 1380602285 100668 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea.
< 1380602302 327284 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.20342
< 1380602306 993736 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, wait no
< 1380602336 567877 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog pink panties
< 1380602362 192734 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.healthcare.gov/ "just to rub it in"
< 1380602376 469996 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.25271
< 1380602468 874800 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2011-02-28 why is this broken
< 1380602514 297437 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the formatted logs are broken. the text logs are ok. (GREGOR)
< 1380602577 15780 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2011-02-28.txt
< 1380602858 442390 :Ghoul__!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-anbshsltmmzctsnj NICK :\t
< 1380602888 246459 :\t!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-anbshsltmmzctsnj NICK :Guest88757
< 1380602925 355796 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :These Realm of Racket videos are making my eyes bleed
< 1380602926 857946 :Guest88757!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-anbshsltmmzctsnj NICK :Ghoul_
< 1380602939 208261 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OOH LOOK RACKET HAS AUTOMATIC GARBAGE COLLECTION"
< 1380602993 406593 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :manual garbage collection
< 1380603227 890626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how much are the rating agencies gonna downrate the USA this time
< 1380603267 46933 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not in a debt default
< 1380603278 844063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it the last time they did?
< 1380603282 356604 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1380603297 381113 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the government is no longer allowed to spend money on many things
< 1380603309 673307 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a bunch of provisions in place for money that needs to be paid, like debts and essential services
< 1380603330 78137 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what happened in the 90s
< 1380603352 616484 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that people were panicing about before and might happen again come October is the debt ceiling
< 1380603371 198699 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that gets hit, the government can no longer borrow money, and at that point it actually runs out of money and can't even spend it on essential stuff
< 1380603378 134416 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the bright side, my firefighting-for-profit business will really shine
< 1380603381 759936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought this _was_ the debt ceiling.
< 1380603388 758701 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it's appropriations
< 1380603399 618838 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because currently the only way that the US government can work is by borrowing massive amounts of money very rapidly
< 1380603404 944190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn appropriations
< 1380603407 281472 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "appropriations".
< 1380603414 71295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO SUCH WORD
< 1380603416 997269 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: basically the authorization to spend money
< 1380603420 831927 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops.
< 1380603432 29394 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :put some chocolate next to my CPU
< 1380603440 270018 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(next to laptop on desk)
< 1380603454 321150 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.usda.gov <-- alright i'm officially bugging out
< 1380603457 263252 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the authorization to spend money is the giant carrot for the administration to do what congress wants
< 1380603496 459251 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: very funny... hm... yeah... hm...
< 1380603544 677662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right you and your non-parliamentarism
< 1380603578 117884 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it ain't mine
< 1380603584 343015 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the Westminster system works exactly the same way
< 1380603594 666750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the debt ceiling is about paying the interest on the loans for money we've /already borrowed/ isn't it
< 1380603600 858617 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that if this were any Westminster system, the PM would have already been sent packing
< 1380603603 868738 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: p. much
< 1380603621 56871 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway we could still get downrated for having fucked politics
< 1380603624 314012 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was part of the last downrating
< 1380603639 918580 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah, and this has shown that the Dems and Reps won't compromise even when it has big consequences
< 1380603645 436632 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not be totally surprised by a downgrade
< 1380603659 78812 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it won't be "OH FUCK OH FUCK OH FUCK" quite yet
< 1380603674 490453 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: so, how likely do you think we are to deal with climate change sanely?
< 1380603677 743882 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the US hits the debt ceiling, it will be a while before it actually defaults since it can cut spending, etc.
< 1380603681 817549 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you? 0%
< 1380603684 837828 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :us? 1%
< 1380603711 430000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes let's 'compromise' with the dangerous extremists who use hostage taking as their one and only political tool
< 1380603734 243332 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you're referring to the tea party, right?
< 1380603737 595037 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1380603757 178688 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole "both parties are at fault for not getting along" is garbage
< 1380603786 395483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Republicans don't mind wrecking the government to prove a political point
< 1380603802 371028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they believe govt is the problem and they are determined to use their position of power to prove it
< 1380603824 622504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they care more about hurting Obama and the Democrats even if they destroy the economy in the process
< 1380603837 131450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are not people you "compromise" with
< 1380603858 577254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie NICK :fizziev
< 1380603877 781691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssize_t fizziev(int fd, const struct iovec *iov, int iovcnt);
< 1380603886 106958 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I agree with you
< 1380603902 504736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are basically fucked as long as the members of the 10% approval congress are still inexplicably getting reelected
< 1380603902 649969 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: now go fix it
< 1380603958 445236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh usa.gov is prominently still advertising the health marketplace plan :P
< 1380603977 92699 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.healthcare.gov/
< 1380604001 247463 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: like, seriously. Get everyone you know to get out there and get on the campaign warpath
< 1380604041 994802 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't just complain about shit on the internets
< 1380604046 858206 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you too
< 1380604058 584023 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't care, start goddamn caring
< 1380604059 589540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx for the advice coppro
< 1380604077 151937 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because your country is running itself into the fucking ground and taking the rest of us with it
< 1380604079 166491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'm just thinking that the government might be particularly pissing off the republicans by not shutting that down
< 1380604081 727359 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is a coppro philiac
< 1380604085 871163 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c
< 1380604110 878712 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The authors of obamacare did their work and made sure it was appropriated already
< 1380604117 676892 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're allowed to spend money on it
< 1380604251 120083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but it's still waving a red flag
< 1380604256 456751 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sure
< 1380604276 791465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE
< 1380604290 917917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'RE GONNA KEEP OBAMACARE GOING IF NOTHING ELSE IS
< 1380604319 857732 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad max but everyone has good hospital coverage
< 1380604341 57070 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: are you usaian?
< 1380604353 973073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bike
< 1380604356 543061 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is from Luxembourg.
< 1380604369 32074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently
< 1380604374 258497 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I refuse to call you american right now because I share a continent with you egotistical maniacs)
< 1380604377 304386 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks
< 1380604379 732669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380604387 198946 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, kmc: this is your mess: http://www.oecd.org/media/oecdorg/satellitesites/newsroom/44222075health%20expenditure.jpg
< 1380604387 356784 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mexican, eh
< 1380604393 933996 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's mexican healthcare even like
< 1380604416 620885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i'm whistling innocently because i've never got the full impression of the truthfulness of that wisdom.
< 1380604439 684059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also bike is definitely connecting from the usa
< 1380604468 633497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: probably socialist
< 1380604489 599446 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything HackEgo says is true
< 1380604682 587213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm norway and luxembourg are the only ones with larger public expenditure, although much less private of course
< 1380604799 515689 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back during Martha Coakley's campaign, I did make some calls for her campaign
< 1380604804 668255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just "opened" trondheim's renovated hospital (it's been running all through the rebuilding process)
< 1380605118 252780 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :dan200
< 1380605141 609730 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at raw data
< 1380605162 948698 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are only 6 OECD countries that spend more on health care per capita than the US private sector does
< 1380605278 101128 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did the PLT team design such a .. bizarre OO system for Racket
< 1380605557 466762 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380605615 274901 :dan200!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :20WAC83QP
< 1380605615 420179 :20WAC83QP!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1380605669 999252 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1380605678 455199 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380605772 979367 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380605807 66121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: why am i not in bed already
< 1380606694 504726 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://billmoyers.com/2013/09/30/shutdown-imminent-how-he-said-she-said-reporting-helped-bring-us-to-the-brink/ nice article re: "both parties are at fault for not getting along", if you haven't seen it yet
< 1380606759 60967 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's still a nice article if you have seen it.
< 1380608135 678498 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you programmed in SNOBOL?
< 1380608149 34732 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1380608232 586674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither have I
< 1380608488 151938 :zanahoria123!~zanahoria@dyn-209-2-220-181.dyn.columbia.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380608546 685466 :zanahoria123!~zanahoria@dyn-209-2-220-181.dyn.columbia.edu PART #esoteric :"Leaving..."
< 1380608835 771434 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Sandiwch
< 1380609495 975749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this OK so far? http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/hwpl.txt Tell me what kind of things may be added/removed/changed/idea/question/complain.
< 1380611254 286690 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "interleave" and "select" operators of INTERCAL are built-in to HWPL (although the "interleave" operator is called MORTON).
< 1380611398 746256 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380611477 362175 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1380611499 434773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about :)?
< 1380611522 341352 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty happy today
< 1380611531 18471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any reason?
< 1380611533 32968 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1380611551 37942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What reason?
< 1380611551 803346 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last night I found out that someone I met at uni has read my MSPAFA
< 1380611566 425364 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is MSPAFA?
< 1380611583 382399 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS Paint Adventures Fan Adventure
< 1380611591 767098 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a story in the format of MSPA
< 1380611596 373100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1380611638 573493 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds adventurous
< 1380611644 591599 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1380611659 147330 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, someone's just followed me on Tumblr I think because I posted some Haskell
< 1380611677 509772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you follow me on twitter
< 1380611736 797931 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so
< 1380611768 454249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1380611773 542424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it because of haskell i posted
< 1380611777 135910 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :give that tumblrer some haskell
< 1380611784 916367 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tumblerers love haskell
< 1380611878 76728 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1380611891 30085 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, no it was because you linked it once
< 1380611904 805563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1380611914 548372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :were all the tweets to your satisfaction
< 1380611915 107771 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :has shachaf tweeted anything yet?
< 1380611930 991068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes (but no more than last time)
< 1380611942 984660 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know I haven't been on twitter in ages
< 1380611947 87838 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "@shachaf hasn't tweeted yet."
< 1380611963 881071 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1380612016 438160 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :twitter should die already
< 1380612035 954831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's a lie
< 1380612044 225030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i tweeted and deleted
< 1380612115 734516 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do this, do retweets get deleted, too?
< 1380612166 973839 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, how does it feel to be living in an anarchy?
< 1380612192 162486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban anarchy
< 1380612196 284058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bananarchy
< 1380612206 139402 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR ?A IN #16 BITS: CASE ?A: RESULT ?A[#15 TO #8]*?A[#7 TO #0]; It is a HWPL code to make a ROM of multiplication data. Is this OK like this, to you?
< 1380613554 221348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to believe that a certain individual has been in #haskell for over three years.
< 1380613614 208249 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you the certain individual?
< 1380613657 656723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1380613683 42207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the individual on /ignore so I don't actually really know what they're saying.
< 1380613689 574883 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am /I/ the individual?
< 1380613716 72865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[is this the part where i pretend i didn't hear what Taneb said]
< 1380613726 25816 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :[yes]
< 1380613947 210343 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[kind of]
< 1380613991 734012 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, how long have I been in #haskell
< 1380614053 605166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A little under two years?
< 1380614151 77694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, who knows how many nicks you had previously.
< 1380614213 746055 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was Taneb when I joined
< 1380614254 939851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Ngevd?
< 1380614275 769038 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so
< 1380614296 971424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people in #haskell actually seem to think some good will come out of this.
< 1380614356 793467 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a poor memory for people, what's the issue?
< 1380614405 748923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are making lots of noise so I can't sleep.
< 1380614451 457008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in #haskell it's just general hopelessness.
< 1380614577 902614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mark my words, etc.
< 1380614794 712919 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you done much interesting lately?
< 1380614817 255109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing
< 1380614829 328638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wold is emptiness and void and people WON'T BE QUIET
< 1380614894 641486 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y☹s
< 1380615170 14871 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nꙮ
< 1380615349 643204 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...am I the only person who understood lenses without really trying?
< 1380615375 537976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lenses are pretty straightforward.
< 1380615407 698589 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean specifically the van whatshisname lenses
< 1380615419 273830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, learning about lenses does require some capacity for learning.
< 1380615419 419388 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are straightforward too
< 1380615474 562467 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, iirc when I first learnt lenses I was really confused and didn't know what was going on but that was with data-lens
< 1380615549 769371 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn;t data-lens use an even straightforwarder representation though
< 1380615572 54454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data-lens used s -> Store a s or something
< 1380615575 858750 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1380615596 64850 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The store comonad coalgebra
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< 1380618088 345799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I must understand lenses because I almost invented it independently once.
< 1380618441 223114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't quite do a good job of it though.)
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< 1380631776 790774 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud
< 1380631776 936331 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages
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< 1380633136 222524 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good what-with-repetitive-animals-and-domain-names morning!
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< 1380638862 884189 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet ssd.jpl.nasa.gov 6775
< 1380638887 497950 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ what is this thing I don't even holy fungot it's wonderful it has stuff and things and wooooooooah...
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< 1380639962 326961 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, nice, how did you find that?
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< 1380640312 79467 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a comment under http://blog.xkcd.com/2013/09/30/asteroid-4942-munroe/
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< 1380644695 686917 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.objectiveministries.org/zounds/review-minecraft.html wat
< 1380645016 482008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=objective+ministries
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< 1380645144 266022 :Tefaj!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too obvious imo
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< 1380645273 250569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. I carried the about-to-be-retired webserver laptop (there's e.g. fungot on it) to the living room in preparation of starting to move things off of it, and now it no longer boots.
< 1380645331 493164 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So fungot is TRAPPED IN A PORTABLE CAGE
< 1380645334 683197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1380645335 87570 :Tefaj!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you should have carried it in preparation of something less drastic.
< 1380645339 499077 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it hang in boot process or is it just dead
< 1380645393 423617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: It's just dead. I suspect its the made-in-China "Replacement AC Adapter", which (IIRC) had a LED on it that no longer lights up when I plug it in the wall.
< 1380645681 808605 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: WUT?
< 1380645694 784327 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but, but... what are we gonna do without fungot?
< 1380645725 30024 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.180.229 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380645809 551525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It is a problem, to be sure. Most of the things on that box were on an external USB drive, which I can get at easily, but fungot lived in /home and therefore is on the 2.5" (IDE) HD. And I have no idea where my 2.5"-to-3.5" IDE adapter could be. (I think I had one.)
< 1380645992 621406 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you open the USB drive and splice in the IDE HD?
< 1380646043 205011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The USB drive is actually an USB enclosure and a standard 3.5" drive. The problem is that the 2.5" interface has a different connector.
< 1380646064 622013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should go hunt for the adapter.
< 1380646089 604487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also one thing on the external HD is a Cyrus IMAP two-point-something-outdated database, which I was hoping to extract by reading it over IMAP, because that wouldn't involve installing a Cyrus somewhere.)
< 1380646106 259246 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :drives and their all unique adapters... we need a new standard to unify all drives together!
< 1380646176 874230 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lemmings are cute critters)
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< 1380647223 607431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The adapter was: the absolute bottommost thing in the last place I had left to look at.
< 1380647309 392200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kept finding all sorts of tangentially related things (two other 2.5" HDs, a 3.5" floppy drive along with Slackware 8.1 RC1 installation floppies, a Fast-SCSI terminator, an absolutely ridiculous pile of IDE and floppy ribbon cables) but not it.
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< 1380648706 251693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Although much of the federal workforce will go without pay, checks will keep coming to the 533 current members of Congress. Why? The 27th Amendment prevents any Congress from changing its own pay."
< 1380649217 763447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, of course: the 2.5" HD does not work in the USB enclosure with the adapter.
< 1380649224 868267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Doesn't spin up or anything.)
< 1380649262 28169 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you have any backups?
< 1380649357 894149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irregular ones, of this system. It's been sort of a project to get rid of it.
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< 1380649382 899466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I got it at least spin up; turns out I had an off-by-one error in the 2.5" IDE connector.
< 1380649392 487704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It doesn't have the pin-20 "key" it's supposed to have.)
< 1380649439 185146 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is still salvageable!
< 1380649506 902684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am reading data off of it at the moment.
< 1380649517 341725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then I need to actually do something with it.)
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< 1380650170 298812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :./cfunge: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by ./cfunge)
< 1380650173 449401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, versions.
< 1380650462 209002 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have the code?
< 1380650520 482168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, it's cfunge.
< 1380650532 841918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone (potentially) has the code.
< 1380650550 276347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess there's the chroot patch, but I do have that too.)
< 1380650600 985140 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lettuce prey for fungot's survival!
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< 1380650833 749715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: perfect time to switch to CCBI2!
< 1380650921 750834 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :github is once again unicorning...
< 1380651052 651196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (922)
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< 1380651057 271712 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (922): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly
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< 1380651095 591540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb fungot
< 1380651096 121986 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it means that those shifts will intrinsically be slower than readjust my brain for such rubbish, of course, i don't
< 1380651127 286290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: who are you calling rubbish
< 1380651127 470450 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm working on that
< 1380651136 758040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How do you feel on your new host?
< 1380651137 396160 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's not about how he use his own scheme implementation leveraging the work of a tortured mind making a single last grasp for a semblance of comforting sanity overlaid upon a fundamentally chaotic at ultimately inimical universe.
< 1380651145 869979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds good.
< 1380651147 403608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1380651147 548866 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1380651208 814536 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.180.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crashed :-(
< 1380651208 959786 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.180.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am the Blue Screen of Death. No one hears your screams."
< 1380651261 262957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad mac
< 1380651314 265508 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs fungot
< 1380651314 890032 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: riastradh i'll give it back, and if
< 1380651412 61685 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.180.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... the codu logs are still broken :-(
< 1380651454 616295 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGS! :)
< 1380651577 525518 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: can I use ~duck, or am I still banned from it?
< 1380651577 670955 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i dont know
< 1380651592 521836 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fiendish sleazy bot.
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< 1380652155 724172 :Tefaj!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blue scream of death
< 1380652724 524008 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.180.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am the Blue Screen of Death. No one hears your screams." is an error message from BeOS.
< 1380652758 842394 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: you're running BeOS? what version?
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< 1380652858 305579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bee os
< 1380652869 219470 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.180.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nortti: not any more. I'll get it up and running again as soon as I find a copy.
< 1380652899 524999 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.180.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed an eBay auction recently. It went for 99p
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< 1380652996 699997 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I should really set up a dedicated BeOS machine
< 1380653010 29394 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the thing will simply not boot in emulator
< 1380653036 192893 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the original BeOS boot in virtualbox?
< 1380653083 242427 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.180.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tried Haiku?
< 1380653104 672161 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea but it requires more RAM than most of my testbeds have
< 1380653115 423306 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I just finished downloading alpha 4.
< 1380653115 776893 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should start upgrading my styff
< 1380653124 227371 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: nope
< 1380653221 23270 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.180.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has pre-ordered a Parallella. 16 core board.
< 1380653267 263405 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.180.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea what I can do with it...
< 1380653593 77533 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380653785 304967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.parallella.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/first_parallella_cluster2.jpg I like the "just stick some fans nearby" approach to cooling
< 1380653904 507878 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: use genetic algorithms to evolve the ultimate brainfuck derivative?
< 1380653935 305517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.73 megabrickbrains / second
< 1380654044 181643 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.180.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted by the cluster. But I still wouldn't know what to do with it :-)
< 1380654071 670369 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could develop and run pargot, a parallel cousin of fungot
< 1380654071 815874 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the module system
< 1380654090 188988 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is there such a thing as a parallel -funge?
< 1380654107 989726 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you get perpendicular?
< 1380654108 236508 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i couldn't evaluate your expression in the second line
< 1380654110 700446 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.180.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably just use it for entering contests that need a bit of brute force. E.g. Al Zimmermann's programming contests.
< 1380654117 383238 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: there are no second line!
< 1380654117 743575 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if i send this patch? ( 1/ 3 1/ 3)) ( 3 4)
< 1380654119 457930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what are you all about
< 1380654119 655452 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ( use srfi-1) is fnord formal semantics?)
< 1380654131 258845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: learn to parentheses hth
< 1380654131 920297 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: or two instances of any scheme. :) hehe, doesn't seem like that to assemble... i'm still just barely coming to grips with the task of preparing a meal that acquires a taste beyond the sum of the rest
< 1380654157 945917 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is fungot skynet?
< 1380654158 91381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :preparing a meal that acquires a taste beyond the sum of the rest
< 1380654158 236785 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i like the algorithm and have it out with different variations were.
< 1380654160 191108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :very ambitious
< 1380654166 2080 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree
< 1380654197 257684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo fungot can do it
< 1380654197 737580 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i guess you don't get into specific trouble you'll run into performance issues with sisc, they work on states, using compact bit arrays and copying them will always keep us in second place next to obl
< 1380654360 447123 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so compact bit arrays are the key to cooking a Beyond the Sum Meal.
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< 1380654636 432407 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sum Meals.. are they related to monad burritos?
< 1380654684 33075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a monad burrito like a burrito burrito?
< 1380654710 532614 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :burrito burrito buffalo buffalo buffalo.
< 1380654712 50633 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.180.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is searching for files which seem to have disappeared from the net :-(
< 1380654751 727650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you know that monads are just free monad monad monad algebras
< 1380654780 850061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1380654801 856786 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monad monad
< 1380654804 225252 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :monad monad? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1380655010 159875 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1380655205 729191 :ski!~md9slj@t-2020-05.studat.chalmers.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1380655250 185628 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1380655324 639713 :nooodl!~nooodl@26.136-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380655343 197567 :ineiros_!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380655417 468690 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380655574 874115 :ski!~md9slj@t-2020-05.studat.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380655636 4280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1380655636 403184 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1380655636 548391 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1380655636 984756 :hypha!~hypha@93.158.64.201 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1380655637 130435 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1380655637 430855 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1380655637 948768 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1380655652 622103 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380655862 99740 :hypha!~hypha@93.158.64.201 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380656026 823957 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.180.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... http://dronegames.co - receive a (free?) Parrot AR Drone to hack. Suggested hacks - "Detect a face and follow that person"
< 1380656156 890389 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.180.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait. Not free...
< 1380656548 482918 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1380656580 140772 :fizziew!~htkallas@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1380656656 912109 :ski!~md9slj@t-2020-05.studat.chalmers.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1380656911 52325 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, sending a packet with an unexpected IP crashes qemu with an assertion failure
< 1380657057 176753 :fizziew!~htkallas@spa-ws160.spa.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380657069 912895 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1380657123 420821 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1380657801 910271 :ski!~md9slj@t-2020-05.studat.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380657906 222760 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380658123 217973 :fizzie!fis@2001:470:df67:40::2 QUIT :Changing host
< 1380658123 978751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380658124 123906 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380658651 65416 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what qualifies as an unexpected IP?
< 1380658662 369478 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 0, I think
< 1380658679 194212 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently
< 1380658743 857984 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am indeed surprised.
< 1380658796 213276 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Addendum [SCP-294ad]: Researcher produced request consisting solely of the phrase "surprise me". Device produced a opaque cup containing normal water, later determined to have been heated to approximately 200 degrees Celsius. Upon receiving vibration from transport, the contents of the cup turned into steam, violently spraying boiling water in a 2-meter radius.
< 1380658798 548276 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Quit: .
< 1380658798 693564 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380658809 205786 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellambdabo
< 1380658824 459072 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380659744 182445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380660291 380827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :use super::super::longhands;
< 1380660481 450402 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is it better to use simple gotos for clearer logic or complicate while type structures?
< 1380660481 811506 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: fnord sent me their cd suite with all their laziness) but couldn't get what i mean
< 1380660743 556419 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: cleaner logic prevails.
< 1380660756 478147 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(althought a nice monad is best, imho.)
< 1380660928 488982 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380661368 358161 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380661368 532088 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1380661461 174696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what's a good naming scheme for lenses onto one or more values, zero or one values, zero or more values
< 1380662088 8169 :Guest88757!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvdefklvazdbeeel NICK :Ghoul_
< 1380662124 238575 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvdefklvazdbeeel NICK :Ghoul__
< 1380662150 332818 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1380662723 758460 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-240-172.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380662953 152142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380663530 28741 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Still not poulet.
< 1380663531 880051 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1380663706 255882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unbounded adversary" is the name of kmc's new band
< 1380663766 65071 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1380663819 76876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to book flights to korea
< 1380663864 45493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which passenger equivalence class will you be in
< 1380663895 89402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst one :'(
< 1380664119 176852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist
< 1380664121 269542 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly
< 1380664138 307434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already `olisted!
< 1380664144 760911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should we add you to the `olist so you get notified?
< 1380664154 128751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think it was already done, also we customarily include the number these days.
< 1380664161 709286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1380664173 552381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you should include the number
< 1380664173 701957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, because I typically check OOTS before I check #esoteric
< 1380664189 491982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what if you're in #esoteric and it beeps your name?
< 1380664193 935771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you'd know straight away.
< 1380664195 55665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps those list scripts should check the number and only ping the nicks if the number is greater than the previous number?
< 1380664218 148146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah but statistically, considering the proportion of the time I'm online, if anyone else olists I've probably already seen it
< 1380664232 650038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and the nicks in question were online at the time?
< 1380664239 612937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No I don't think that will be necessary, and it might not work correctly anyways due to various reasons.
< 1380664240 899183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps!
< 1380664250 264930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What's one extra filesystem commit for every Xlist between friends?)
< 1380664310 984047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :being on the same list doesn't mean that you're friends
< 1380664316 586036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might be enemies
< 1380664320 630113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just make it only ping people who are online at the time, and check logs to see who it's already pinged
< 1380664483 338160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think that is necessary; it complicates things that don't need to be.
< 1380664665 44548 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1380664671 934567 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/neilfws/status/385161327422885888/photo/1 forgot this site was us gov't >_>
< 1380665308 894406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with zzo38. unless you want to implement it properly. and on this channel "online" doesn't mean "actually present and will see this before pinging out".
< 1380665358 623543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and/or
< 1380665533 161387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ord |-|| |
< 1380665535 188600 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :124 45 124 124 32 124
< 1380665545 367879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1380665560 941791 :nooodl!~nooodl@26.136-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg
< 1380665665 655289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently | will show up as | in tables under some conditions, which the Pointy article works with
< 1380665772 431472 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ord | |
< 1380665774 107363 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :124 32 124
< 1380665827 539821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i was checking of those were actually the same character
< 1380665861 234926 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: looks like they were, hthth
< 1380666101 904794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdhdh
< 1380666169 84661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly wonders if he can say eighth
< 1380666184 569682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems so
< 1380666376 98148 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380666716 882031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tefaj: gnineve derorrim doog
< 1380666760 166264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gnimmargorp
< 1380666762 206088 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnimmargorp? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1380666774 994158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1380666808 892162 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1380666810 222574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i misspell it or did someone delete it :(
< 1380666825 657181 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo programming | tac | ?
< 1380666827 671834 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1380666835 761461 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo programming | tac - | ?
< 1380666837 513433 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1380666840 553063 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
< 1380666845 975716 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo programming | tac
< 1380666847 352167 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming
< 1380666860 847860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want rev not tax
< 1380666863 339127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tac
< 1380666879 558555 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo programming | reev
< 1380666881 170181 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: reev: command not found
< 1380666881 800353 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo programming | rev
< 1380666883 110762 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnimmargorp
< 1380666884 856082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also to understand the difference between stdio and argv
< 1380666891 882856 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i got that much
< 1380666900 718738 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lousy unix philosophy grumble grumble
< 1380666913 223630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/*gorp
< 1380666915 254690 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/grimmargorp
< 1380666923 277708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantastic
< 1380666927 346488 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmirg. sensible.
< 1380666929 439652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? grimmargorp
< 1380666931 949446 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þór, Grimmargorpurinn hefur sloppið! Ragnarök eru nálæg!
< 1380666939 74589 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh nice
< 1380666954 417242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf did it get entered like that. maybe someone actually misspelled it first.
< 1380666974 21778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i know i entered it. minus some later correction.)
< 1380666978 596477 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's presumably a joke based on gnimmargorp looking like old germanic, rather than a replacement
< 1380666979 380363 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo programming | rev | xargs ?
< 1380666981 758883 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnimmargorp? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1380666993 307872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes.
< 1380667000 491006 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1380667027 508204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, *old norse
< 1380667042 749801 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog grimmargorp
< 1380667059 8254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the spelling is icelandic, not genuine old norse.
< 1380667063 909943 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1380667065 314063 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grimmargorpurinn sounds like an Icelandic volcano
< 1380667086 655759 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.10185
< 1380667141 544122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. old norse didn't use ö but ǫ)
< 1380667144 601018 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm going to forget all about grimmargorpurinn all too soon <-- prophetic words
< 1380667169 134253 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog gnimmargorp
< 1380667186 521835 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.20742
< 1380667219 279627 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... disappointing
< 1380667220 852405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect i may have introduced the error.
< 1380667249 385353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs g.immargorp
< 1380667282 426984 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.14333
< 1380667365 139180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, only one thing to do
< 1380667404 978951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed 's/rimmar/nimmar/' wisdom/grimmargorp >wisdom/gnimmargorp
< 1380667408 960469 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1380667416 380992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gnimmargorp
< 1380667418 626222 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þór, Gnimmargorpurinn hefur sloppið! Ragnarök eru nálæg!
< 1380667491 392982 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnimmargorp doesn't sound as good :(
< 1380667515 318116 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-240-172.public.wayport.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1380667522 790949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: thus why i didn't delete the old one
< 1380667545 454805 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*phew*
< 1380667585 606133 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe gnimmargorp ought just be "common misspelling of the Grimmargorp"
< 1380667700 760484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that google translate doesn't know how to translate "misspelling" into icelandic.
< 1380667886 986883 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not! that's a fun fact
< 1380668393 173754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ogrimmar is some kind of a WoW thing.
< 1380668499 947444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '"Gnimmargorp" er algeng stafsetningarvilla af "grimmargorp"' >wisdom/gnimmargorp
< 1380668504 84298 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1380668511 551615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '"Gnimmargorp" er algeng stafsetningarvilla af "grimmargorp".' >wisdom/gnimmargorp
< 1380668515 385492 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1380668556 682276 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :stafsetningarvilla? why does the mis end up on the other side of spelling?
< 1380668567 47765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"spelling error"
< 1380668617 926516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm not sure about the preposition "af".
< 1380668650 791282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found an instance of that use, but norwegian would use "for" in a similar position.
< 1380668722 160062 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedish would also use "av" I think
< 1380668756 619575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stavfel av?
< 1380668788 821190 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell does rustc decide what match blocks are non-exhaustive and what not?
< 1380668804 938998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, there are few hits in either case but more for "af" than for "fyrir", although maybe i've misunderstood what icelandic uses for "for".
< 1380668915 339259 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "felstavning av" ... feels like stavfel doesn't take an object, it's more like "a spelling mistake" perhaps
< 1380668935 129743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1380668957 803153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, in that case norwegian would also use "av"
< 1380669659 266426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to create wisdom/nutirrof but it's too meta even for me.
< 1380669678 976093 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nutirrof?
< 1380669705 594494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest meta-lateral thinking to understand that
< 1380669749 630556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can we have a new featured language.
< 1380669766 657619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure that's entirely possible.
< 1380669775 780051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ahem.
< 1380669780 452504 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :meta-lateral sounds like complicated thinking... I'm not even good at normal lateral thinking
< 1380669813 69564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's related to grimmargorp.
< 1380669820 827523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe it should be rutirrof.
< 1380669822 982928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you pick one I'll write a blurb for it
< 1380669890 770557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how about brainfuck? might as well get it out the way with
< 1380669899 567804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1380669917 724267 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380669967 345589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does an april fool's joke last until October anyway?
< 1380670013 482238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it's just half a year
< 1380670045 732619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm going to have to word this so that the b isn't at the start of a sentence
< 1380670062 240593 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-240-172.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380670127 75388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs fungot
< 1380670127 644035 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you come across as a fascist would do that
< 1380670141 555610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascists were big on hugs?
< 1380670172 61991 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indubitably
< 1380670208 171211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380670396 368911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there, I've updated the main page blurb
< 1380670399 492415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do the rest?
< 1380670448 325484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i like hugs, am i a fascist
< 1380670448 510202 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm installing 1.5 now
< 1380670459 333574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh, fungot 1.5. that sounds bad.
< 1380670459 581056 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: thanks for the help!
< 1380670479 774317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i ain't helping you
< 1380670480 352343 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that is, a socket may be simultaneously used in multiple places. that kind of coin... well, i just wrote
< 1380670506 447186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok
< 1380670524 676068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nice capitalisation trick :)
< 1380670547 746960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, I had to contort a bit to pull that off, but we can't have controversial capitalization on the main page
< 1380670652 774073 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, doesn't hugs not even have typeclasses
< 1380670676 159795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, it doesn't not even have type classes (nor typeclasses)
< 1380670716 261745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of shit isn't even not this isn't
< 1380670936 131450 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1380671318 132813 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380671514 125694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hugs descends from the first haskell implementation to have constructor type classes (i.e. not just kind * types)
< 1380671530 536347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1380671624 509282 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes sense to me
< 1380671792 138617 :azaq231!~derivecto@p5B3EFF67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380671931 710838 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1380672336 661233 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'t is common to respond to an e-mail rendered unreadable by character mangling (referred to as "betűszemét", meaning "garbage lettering") with the phrase "Árvíztűrő tükörfúrógép", a nonsense phrase (literally "Flood-resistant mirror-drilling machine") containing all accented characters used in Hungarian.'
< 1380672480 54041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1380672528 572700 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1380672532 667524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that phrase isn't nonsensical, it describes an entirely well-defined object
< 1380672539 186960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not a particularly useful one
< 1380672583 324253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… "Árvíztűrő" is way easier to pronounce than "tükörfúrógép"
< 1380672584 817869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just tried
< 1380672694 130858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hungarian words can be hard to pronounce because all words inflect the same way
< 1380672706 372372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless of how hard the added letters for the inflection might be to pronounce in context
< 1380673021 386720 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380673161 62142 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalms at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYMeOLpk5_8
< 1380673252 852749 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380673734 883081 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380673762 128412 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had a fun evening
< 1380673774 148645 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watched the Avengers followed by Monty Python and the Holy Grail
< 1380673883 993011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever played flipperless pinball games?
< 1380674048 577516 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.180.229 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1380674242 19977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no
< 1380674290 376654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shall we have a betting pool of how soon before Taneb's sleep schedule unravels
< 1380674300 694589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on
< 1380674326 830207 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I just found out that while I was watching these movies, a fire occured in my flat complex thing!
< 1380674336 962937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1380674345 532449 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they had to evacuate and some people have to be rehoused
< 1380674346 863599 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you played other pinball games?
< 1380674390 567504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you played ball-less pinball games
< 1380674401 323105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or pin-less, for that matter.
< 1380674418 188177 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: .... wowo
< 1380674422 551160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: glad you are not on fire
< 1380674427 424922 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So am I
< 1380674444 271017 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a different block, I think
< 1380674458 330971 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure
< 1380674469 761142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(here I assume that if you were on fire, you'd deal with that problem before getting on IRC)
< 1380674585 816271 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if I was on fire I'd log in to IRC and say something like "help im on fire what do")
< 1380674612 955528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think you can; you can't make a pinball game if there is no ball, or no pin for the ball to bounce against (well, some have no pins but there are still walls to bounce against)
< 1380674622 63456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh apparently flipperless pinball was a thing before the flippers were invented
< 1380674642 707747 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes in a movie theatre once I have played a pinball game with no pins; it was the one to win gum balls
< 1380674670 480074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes and sometimes it is still being played, especially on the computer, I think, flipperless pinball games are being made
< 1380674731 335812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few people have tried to make flipperless pinball games just by removing the flippers from a flippered game, although that has bad results; best is to design the table layout to work with flipperless.
< 1380674745 528750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the flippers are an improvement
< 1380674791 44173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: W ell, kind of, yes you can make a lot of flippered pinball games, which is an improvement, although pinball games can be made that work just fine without any flippers.
< 1380674792 559687 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weren't flippers added to get around gambling laws?
< 1380674819 6732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I read somewhere that playing more than one ball for a single coin was added to get around gambling laws, but not flippers.
< 1380674875 111440 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flippers makes more sense as a workaround for gambling laws
< 1380674882 381140 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which doesn't mean it's true ofc
< 1380674883 204411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the law?
< 1380674899 429001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even just today I play a flipperless pinball game that actually does have one flipper, although the player has no direct control over it; it flips whenever one of two bumpers are hit (these bumpers are close enough that there is a reasonable chance that the flipper will hit the ball if it does that)
< 1380674950 131472 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1380674968 112983 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The powers that be are on to zzo
< 1380674991 772785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently peer is online right now, under a different nick
< 1380675002 114532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380675007 954839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably they're fed up of people asking them to stop resetting their connection
< 1380675023 791252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops there was some connection error; if you replied then please reply again.
< 1380675062 917404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were discussing the connection error
< 1380675156 552778 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know how to install .fon fonts in Ubuntu?
< 1380675207 249200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many modern flipperless games I have played on computer omit the tilt sensor, although some flippered games do too (such as Pokemon Pinball). (I don't think tilt sensor is suitable for the computer game anyways; you have to push a key to nudge and the computer simulation doesn't have to move the table far enough to result a tilt anyways, therefore it shouldn't be needed.)
< 1380675218 353139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :peer du lyver
< 1380675257 968159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the peer is coming from inside the house
< 1380675301 805070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most computer pinball games just tilt if you nudge too often. Alternatives I have seen are in Spade Cadet, it tilts if you hold down the nudge key for too long instead, and in Knickknack it won't let you nudge more often than once a second.
< 1380675325 946977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The nudge key will simply do nothing if you push it too often.)
< 1380675370 389672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard from someone once of a pinball table that tilts if you hold down the flipper button for too long, too.
< 1380675414 345017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I've played one that tilts if you press the flipper buttons too hard
< 1380675420 985782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably people kept doing that and breaking it
< 1380675442 42226 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, I suppose that would work.
< 1380675578 733939 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My opinion is a computer pinball game needs no tilt penalty; a physical pinball game does need a tilt penalty to prevent lifting or breaking it.
< 1380675655 958011 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be impressed if a computer pinball game had a real tilt sensor
< 1380675680 581164 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Maybe such thing can be made using Wii remotes
< 1380675711 56035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the accelerometer in a smartphone
< 1380675715 712407 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wii pinball, with virtual flippers.
< 1380675727 359230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, smartphones would be pretty suited to tilt-sensitive pinball
< 1380675755 384844 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even i have a phone game that uses the orientation sensor.
< 1380675771 678403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well you could use two of the buttons as flippers and one as plunger (and one for pause); or make a flipperless game so only the plunger button is needed.
< 1380675786 207857 :azaq231!~derivecto@p5B3EFF67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1380675788 962267 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no, you have two remotes, each of which is a flipper.
< 1380675817 372130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Then how should you nudge? It would make nudging confusing wouldn't it?
< 1380675829 741071 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gotta mooooove your body
< 1380675845 472836 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.211 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1380675934 953113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Pokemon Pinball bonus stages, once the timer expires the flippers will stop working; however you can still nudge. In the Meowth stage, Meowth stops moving and stops throwing money on the board, although any remaining money can still be hit with the ball, so nudging the table to make the ball hit them would help, however the flippers don't work so if the money is too high you probably cannot hit it anymore.
< 1380675994 727948 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380676218 682546 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer makes some unusual noise do you know how to fix it?
< 1380676236 995399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the noise
< 1380676300 466660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seem to make the noise while simulating the physics of the pinball game; when it is paused, it doesn't make such noise though. It does make noise in other times too though sometimes
< 1380676316 23974 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also heard something knocking in the computer.
< 1380676382 150874 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd
< 1380676436 956060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also when listing directory and other stuff; perhaps it is when doing a lot of computations at once, it is making a noise.
< 1380676502 60660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also like I said before, sometimes the picture seems to have an imperfect clock rate.
< 1380676526 682949 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this have something to do with it too?
< 1380676596 698915 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anything in a computer even make noise besides the fan? the disks i guess if you're a pleb
< 1380676670 629492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes the capacitors start to hum / whine
< 1380676674 71890 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes the disks make noise but I think it is a different noise
< 1380676675 682865 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sometimes they explode
< 1380676685 134793 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why do the capacitors start to hum / whine?
< 1380676687 32714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coils too. power supplies definitely make noise
< 1380676689 490382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i don't know
< 1380676692 514680 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes the cpu makes noise
< 1380676698 466782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"exciting side channels"
< 1380676705 71530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the CPU make noise?
< 1380676709 295523 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're pushing reasonable amps at 60 Hz then odds are high that something will mechanically vibrate at 60 Hz
< 1380676746 277496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't make these noises yesterday (although the picture had imperfect clock rate yesterday)
< 1380676831 729755 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380676855 186123 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 NICK :Guest56477
< 1380676863 268353 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetostriction oh, that's cool.
< 1380676991 323126 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it is the CPU making noise but I don't know how it would do that. Or at least it has something to do with the CPU; I don't know if it is the CPU doing this or not.
< 1380677018 958728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The CPU is Intel Celeron 2.00GHz)
< 1380677239 932488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : kmc: what's a good naming scheme for lenses onto one or more values, zero or one values, zero or more values <-- isn't the second just Prism
< 1380677251 782502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Prism is more than that
< 1380677260 935607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets you construct!!!!! that's half the point
< 1380677286 563449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :these things are just Lens+ Lens? Lens*
< 1380677299 554738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1380677354 475119 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :name them after types of giraffe, then.
< 1380677367 479488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAPI
< 1380677554 173073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels unappreciated.
< 1380677570 678871 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that was pretty good.
< 1380677591 832505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1380677606 418013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, I've accidentally designed a call-by-name function interface in C
< 1380677609 584761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is unexpectedly awesome
< 1380677618 190226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, that was an awesome pun
< 1380677622 701196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck okapi
< 1380677624 107085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The noise does seem to be when the CPU is doing a lot of things.
< 1380677640 230564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, metasepia isn't here
< 1380677642 225160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What call-by-name function interface in C did you design?
< 1380677650 245039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes where boily goes
< 1380677655 126007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the library calls into a plugin to ask it to update someting
< 1380677662 275213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the plugin has to call back into the library to ask what to update
< 1380677679 398805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how you implement a call-by-name interface in a call-by-value language
< 1380677683 638366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only I did it by mistake
< 1380677777 22439 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :archive.org has backed up the united states government's web presence. it's the beginning of the end, folks.
< 1380677845 433754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only the real beginning of the end in like two or three weaks
< 1380677847 41362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*weeks
< 1380677851 916490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the US defaults on its loans
< 1380677867 239019 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no this is much more real than that.
< 1380677870 606175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether or not that would completely destroy the world economy, and it's /really worrying/ that I'm not sure
< 1380677899 180608 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would defaulting on loans destroy the world economy
< 1380677946 345064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: giving a loan to someone creates money out of thin air; the person who loaned it out still has it because the debt is worth value, and the person it was loaned to /also/ has it because they can spend it
< 1380677954 552658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the loan is repaid, everything works out fine
< 1380677982 125344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it isn't, though, some of the created money simply vanishes, and it can take a long time for the financial systems to work out where it vanished from
< 1380677992 742880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of all the recursive loaning that's going on
< 1380678003 781753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, defaulting causes some amount of uncertainty as to the existence of money
< 1380678020 264050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a really really large default causes a really really large amount of money to become very uncertain
< 1380678035 455409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's hard to have a functioning economy in a situation where you can't work out how much anyone actually owns
< 1380678042 942916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked and found someone says the power supply is making noise because the CPU is using too much power.
< 1380678049 748071 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would it mean for the US to default on its loans given that the US also defines/controls the value of the dollar?
< 1380678077 925811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone actually believe the US will pay off its debts as it stands?
< 1380678101 44627 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the US does pay of its debts, it just issues new ones, right?
< 1380678103 161507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: well they could pay them off by just artificially creating that many dollars, but that would cause the value of all the existing dollars to reduce
< 1380678108 578430 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if triply imaginary money destroyed the economy i'd be living in a cave rn
< 1380678122 332752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in proportion to the ratio between the amount that already existed, and the amount printed
< 1380678152 238016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite possible that if they just didn't pay, the value of the dollar would drop by a similar amount for a similar reason (because not paying, and paying with freshly minted money, is pretty much equivalent)
< 1380678209 256496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the US's national debt is of a similar value to its entire GDP, meaning that I guess the value of the dollar would approximately halve
< 1380678250 541916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that'd have some pretty crazy knock-on effects in the world economy too
< 1380678254 274259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess who is making estimates out of thin air
< 1380678254 921263 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GDP isn't assets though, is it...?
< 1380678274 843819 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or money supply, I guess...
< 1380678302 128029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: me!
< 1380678309 454519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ding ding ding!
< 1380678313 292602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not massively good at enonomics
< 1380678318 853315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live with an economist, but it's only microeconomics
< 1380678330 873991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I have to make rough guesses
< 1380678334 656032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than actually knowing
< 1380678337 434616 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Debt held by the public as a percentage of GDP rose from 34.7% GDP in 2000 to 40.5% in 2008 and 67.7% in 2011."
< 1380678360 185370 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 108% if you include states and smaller municipalities' debts. which doesn't make sense here of course.
< 1380678361 797017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's more maths than economics
< 1380678380 342761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's also above 100% if you include intergovernmental loans, according to Wikipedia
< 1380678387 564449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which possibly are relevant here
< 1380678425 977510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I moved the computer slightly and the noise is now reduced, although I am not sure if I can still hear it or not.
< 1380678432 244768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, intragovernmental
< 1380678432 548785 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"History - See also: United States debt-ceiling crisis of 2011 and United States debt-ceiling crisis of 2013" good article
< 1380678533 864476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also apparently many of the US loans have interest rates below inflation
< 1380678537 410119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they become smaller over time
< 1380678595 694668 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, this is where the Rogoff and Reinhart study was
< 1380678597 59672 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good stuff
< 1380678665 833956 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, that's the whole reason behind quantitative easing
< 1380678669 79888 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-240-172.public.wayport.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1380678672 619540 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if I remember right
< 1380678681 905761 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the government regulates inflation by adjusting the rates on government loans
< 1380678692 621794 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but recently like a few years back those rates reached... 0%
< 1380678696 195703 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and inflation was still too low
< 1380678712 136358 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they had the fed start buying its own loans to try to get inflation to go up
< 1380678720 842631 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking forward to the extension of interest rates into the imaginary axis.
< 1380678728 922923 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind of the only thing they can do since you can't really go below zero?
< 1380678870 152253 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The noise is still there, although it is reduced a bit from before.
< 1380678905 848226 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, continuously compounded interest is an exponential function, isn't it. with an imaginary rate would you spiral outwards
< 1380679002 864231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :exponential with imaginary rate ~= sine or cosine
< 1380679059 631955 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye
< 1380679062 654720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^(a+ib) = e^a * (cos b + i sin b)
< 1380679071 955036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well it's more rotatey than a sine or cosine
< 1380679076 480008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has both real and imaginary components
< 1380679109 530406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, the imaginary component causes cyclic behavior, not growth.
< 1380679204 414320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1380679225 453195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the complex exponential function is one of the few four-dimensional objects that it'd be really useful to be able to visualise
< 1380679261 594004 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm just actually this dumb, but shouldn't it grow as the real part grows.
< 1380679269 231155 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can too little inflation be bad?
< 1380679274 431220 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1380679318 184044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes, but that's caused by the real component, not the imaginary one
< 1380679328 286696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: negative inflation is normally considered to be a total disaster
< 1380679334 159995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although too much positive inflation is also bad
< 1380679356 133813 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative inflation = depression?
< 1380679363 127130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :deflation
< 1380679415 508491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when inflation is negative, money gets worth more over time, so no one has an incentive to use more than absolutely necessary
< 1380679437 884472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which hurts investment and productivity
< 1380679483 117171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of the main criticisms against bitcoin
< 1380679492 980772 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not literally print money during deflation? Doesn't printing money increase inflation?
< 1380679497 874947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it seems designed for it to be a bad idea for anyone to ever spend it
< 1380679505 166964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah, that's one possible way to fix deflation
< 1380679506 536455 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like the pizza?
< 1380679522 820906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably quite a common one in practice, too
< 1380679536 391212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the thing about economics is, changing anything has all sorts of knock-on effects
< 1380679546 212982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why I'm so against the Euro (whilst mostly being a fan of the EU)
< 1380679564 968825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pegging countries' currencies to each other means that there are fewer dials you can adjust to try to fix a broken economy
< 1380679565 114502 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're worried about nonspecific effects from any change?
< 1380679568 627001 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1380679577 745329 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok good i was going to stare at you.
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< 1380680087 86651 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are traditional turtle graphics able to find where they are?
< 1380680099 35055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: not as far as I know
< 1380680115 947061 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so I can't rant about Racket's turtle graphics sucking
< 1380680851 271479 :Tefaj!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet
< 1380680948 875249 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1380681114 101204 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that part of the point? so you have to plan everything in advance?
< 1380681745 907998 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a point?
< 1380681794 922688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's under the turtle
< 1380681795 68011 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, it's for education.
< 1380681798 452730 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Racket's doesn't have varying pen sizes
< 1380682445 719381 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah this code is old
< 1380682446 293146 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(module value-turtles mzscheme
< 1380682848 173726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1380682998 164764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, C correctness question: is it legal to compare NULL to a pointer to deallocated data?
< 1380683021 559919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for equality
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< 1380683581 138757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no http://c-faq.com/malloc/ptrafterfree.html
< 1380683586 83247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried reducing the DRAM speed to see if that helps somehow; at least the video isn't wrong again (except in the BIOS configuration menu; it is still wrong during that)
< 1380683606 390307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The noise seems to be gone too
< 1380683618 792738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: bleh
< 1380683634 673957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll fix this later
< 1380683642 42617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unlikely to be a problem in any sane implementation
< 1380683663 579458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The listed temperature in the BIOS menu was below 60 C (which is what the setting for the shutdown temperature is)
< 1380684030 314758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actualy, I'll fix it via converting all copies of that pointer to a pointer to static memory just before the free
< 1380684036 696389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the copy I'm actually freeing
< 1380684068 62111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, here's a stupid bit of API design for oyu
< 1380684069 539320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you
< 1380684075 131313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :libpng requires the use of setjmp to avoid errors
< 1380684089 336390 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1380684097 433789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also requires you to free its structures via a function which takes a pointer to a pointer to its structures as an argument
< 1380684121 397256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if I want to free a png_ptr, I call something along the lines of png_free(&png_ptr), although the actual function has more arguments
< 1380684155 205644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, if my png_ptr is stack allocated, it has to be volatile because of the setjmp (I want to be able to free it after an error)
< 1380684173 112244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the free function doesn't take a png_struct * volatile *
< 1380684180 288421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have to copy it to another variable just to be able to free it
< 1380684317 422491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops now the bad video and noises are starting again
< 1380684324 641733 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, anyone else fond of 6502: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/textfiles/the-jason-scott-documentary-three-pack/posts/615823
< 1380684430 151661 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and there are system architectures for which such exceptions would be quite natural.)"
< 1380684436 290797 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I'm curious about
< 1380684538 787563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, Kickstarter is available in Canada now.
< 1380684818 315947 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Is that the "Future Systems" that does that?
< 1380684847 763081 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea what architectures that make sense for
< 1380685625 29139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :libpng is full of other stupid stuff too, I think; I use LodePNG
< 1380685658 420916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LodePNG is much better
< 1380686030 132774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found out that the heating vent in this room wasn't completely covered; I covered it now, in case that helps with the computer
< 1380686204 628735 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that in Verilog the name of a module call can be useful for debugging (and potentially for other purposes too), so in HWPL it is optional (most commands can have a LABEL clause to do this).
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< 1380686855 437420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things I haven't added yet but probably should includes primitive CMOS/NMOS/PMOS transistors (which Verilog includes), and some analog stuff. Is the macros good enough current, you think so?
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< 1380689692 821991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome shikhin
< 1380689698 731688 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :shikhin: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1380690283 909553 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shikhin: Who are you today?
< 1380690333 354503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Who are you today?
< 1380690353 814743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I am Aaron Black today, I suppose...
< 1380690416 178070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@brain
< 1380690416 366256 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've turned into giant Swiss leaderhosen-clad dancing yodelers. Talk about unpredictable!
< 1380690451 627425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eyes zzo38 and shachaf suspiciously
< 1380692284 769577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think LodePNG is better?
< 1380692299 54786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Than whom?
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< 1380692553 158591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is better than libpng.
< 1380692966 364289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Ubuntu, it is not a problem that valgrind segfaulted
< 1380692971 68933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doe that if the program it's running segfaults
< 1380692973 116681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*does
< 1380692986 519560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite likely, because valgrind is the program I run for the purpose of diagnosing segfaults
< 1380693900 688068 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's the third welcome I've been given, here. :-)
< 1380693907 386699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1380693910 235847 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Hmm, probably shikhin.
< 1380693911 496373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, :-)
< 1380693921 120201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the RFCs for IRC, the hyphen is required
< 1380693929 757846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, it's in the only example given of one
< 1380693944 76552 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :examples are not normative!! probably
< 1380693946 962509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I keep flattening the smileys out of habit
< 1380693957 212024 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) looks ugly, too.
< 1380693966 757510 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :(especially on a monospace font)
< 1380693998 254378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard of stuff that Ubuntu does a bunch of stupid things by default, although you can change these things.
< 1380694002 596246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which RFC?
< 1380694021 270853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one about netiquette
< 1380694023 687120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I linked it a while back
< 1380694029 931013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't remember the number
< 1380694033 369872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha.
< 1380694042 645821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a bug in my program just filled the screen with smiley faes
< 1380694044 948720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*faces
< 1380694051 506040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then double-freed when I tried to exit it
< 1380694059 392283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the RFC says too use them sparingly.
< 1380694061 944034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :valgrinding it now to catch the double free
< 1380694073 170431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case it gives a hint as to where the smiley faces are coming from
< 1380694075 550547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly ais523. free pointers, not doubles.
< 1380694092 542548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that isn't "character 0x01 in code page 437", which is the most likely cause that that particular character was rendered)
< 1380694135 165157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a ☺ character?
< 1380694139 734807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah
< 1380694162 494436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a strange bug.
< 1380694210 718666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the smiley face bug?
< 1380694226 583109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the code's accidentally copying from the font rather than where it should be copying from
< 1380694240 839526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wait overnight to send emotional responses to messages. If you have really strong feelings about a subject, indicate it via FLAME ON/OFF enclosures."
< 1380694274 732411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, that's exactly what it was doing
< 1380694347 501150 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That's from the RFC?
< 1380694358 404193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shikhin: yep
< 1380694432 453102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, now this is pretty
< 1380694502 472018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... there are two issues with this:
< 1380694517 94442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) SDL2 doesn't seem to be rendering to texture, it's just rendering directly to the screen
< 1380694527 971691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) I probably have the color channels in the wrong order
< 1380694547 424475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :before, the files I tested it with used only white and transparent
< 1380694566 29586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which conveniently, are 0xffffffff and 0x00000000 in the 32bpp RGBA format I'm using
< 1380694620 48962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is meant to be opaque and dark gray, but instead it's semitransparent and red
< 1380694637 174706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which leads me to conclude that the alpha channel is being interpreted as red
< 1380694648 423555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I have the endianness backwards
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< 1380695445 392753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "qemu -m" just used up 16 gigs of RAM and 9 gigs of swap.
< 1380695452 991652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, I mean, "qemu -m 512".
< 1380695570 331929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, endianness was backwards
< 1380696406 794893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all those stupid C1 control characters and they didn't bother to standardize FLAME ON or FLAME OFF :<
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< 1380701381 866508 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know a way I can get an alert when someone comes online on Facebook?
< 1380701936 773430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pidgin?
< 1380702446 684253 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe
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< 1380732406 631206 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning?
< 1380732574 302223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ö́̏R͙͒ ̵̮Ì̆S̘ͨ ̸ͫI̶̺T̼̉
< 1380732704 600921 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeek.
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< 1380735850 705291 :CorMeumLucidum!~CorMeumLu@ip-64-139-3-220.sjc.megapath.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1380735860 206585 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome CorMeumLucidum
< 1380735862 553712 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :CorMeumLucidum: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1380735898 906718 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hoping for a MEANWHILE IN R/BITCOIN update today
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< 1380736128 735607 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
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< 1380737316 238087 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, already see somebody saying that a 25% drop in value is normal and it'll bounce back
< 1380737323 654938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked inside the computer and I see no damaged capacitors. I vacuumed it inside in case it helps, but I don't know if it does. I still have problems with bad video, and something inside the computer is clicking.
< 1380737340 347320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well, a 25% drop in value doesn't sound that abnormal for bitcoin.
< 1380737352 543600 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it's funny, yeah
< 1380737355 617554 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :healthy and natural
< 1380737410 295217 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the important thing here is, it's going to be like a billion times harder for me to get #drugz w/o accidentally getting kmc arrested now
< 1380737417 719199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1nlb08/ross_ulbricht_was_sloppy_and_outted_himself/ccjmvf4?context=1 this guy was not the smartest illegal drugs site operator ever
< 1380737440 108978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, "hypothetically".
< 1380737479 926144 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that «a/k/a "Dread Pirate Roberts"» is in official documents.
< 1380737514 126174 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, he hired the hitman to kill someone who'd done a SQL injection? that's some cyberpunk shit
< 1380737539 265296 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the pictures in this thing
< 1380737551 956706 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exhibits A & B
< 1380737592 117776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1nl5ct/silk_road_seized_by_the_feds/ccjn1kr this is so weird
< 1380737631 921353 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what is wrong with thsi computer?
< 1380737707 725131 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wat
< 1380737789 855253 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gonna be great when we see criminal incompetence all laid out like this since it's the future and all
< 1380737808 771 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh, did the guy actually get murdered
< 1380737870 911082 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: clicking suggests one of the moving parts is brushing up against something. that'd mean fans or spinning discs, i guess?
< 1380737920 368264 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad video could be because of a bunch of things. is the monitor okay? is the video card okay? are the cables okay? are you okay?
< 1380737934 285070 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm okay
< 1380737940 444613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well it doesn't seem like the person who allegedly murdered them would have any reason to do it for the price given, assuming that comment is accurate
< 1380737945 331188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they just like killing people.
< 1380737965 358737 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe they do just like killing people! i dont' "know" the "criminal" "mindset"
< 1380737977 31140 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the bitcriminal
< 1380738001 260929 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cyberpunk reality masterminded by children
< 1380738036 863630 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this will all turn out to be a synydyne ARG.
< 1380738100 513315 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://media.tumblr.com/c907dd90564b1d759d746bd6a8c559fe/tumblr_inline_mu0qrxfYYQ1qdjjgt.png on a happier note, the government shutdown is going well
< 1380738115 952936 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: I think I cleaned the fans though; maybe a wire got caught inside though, but I think I moved those out of the way
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< 1380738155 318770 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: …
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< 1380738315 341260 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: \ldots{}
< 1380738317 777503 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good news, bitcoin is back up to $120 after dropping from $140 to $110 in thirty minutes
< 1380738357 683414 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your investments are safe. unless they were in drugs.
< 1380738372 291440 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, are the wars on terror and drugs halted then?
< 1380738375 588660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I found this "HWMonitor" program. Other than the temperature it also lists voltages and fan speeds. I notice that the -12V seems to be wrong; it is at -4 instead of -12 as it should be.
< 1380738395 613868 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be p. great for peace on earth etc
< 1380738406 276413 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmVQ-tpggyY
< 1380738422 5882 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, i don't see people makin stupid $250 sales to try to inflate the price
< 1380738438 855267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It lists the "THRM" temperature at 44 C
< 1380738454 95829 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: good stuff in the relateds here
< 1380738456 871548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TMPIN2" is at 45 C
< 1380738476 696082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actally it is down to 44 now and sometimes even 43 but these are the max values
< 1380738493 696850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TMPIN1" doesn't seem to work; it says 0 C.
< 1380738516 651898 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "FANIN0" is at 2860 RPM. Is this proper?
< 1380738575 263830 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hard drive temperature is at 37 C. Is this proper?
< 1380738613 394763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have two hard drives in my computer though; perhaps one doesn't have a temperature sensor?)
< 1380738731 868622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the power supply is bad because the -12 voltage is at -4.
< 1380738752 903680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I already replaced it once.
< 1380738759 70072 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stands far, far away from zzo38's machine
< 1380738775 86931 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION yells “EVERYTHING IS FINE AND PROPER, AT LEAST FROM HERE!”
< 1380738896 72699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also notice a "Fans PWM" section although all three values are 0%.
< 1380739208 130584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it would help to underclock the CPU, although I looked in the BIOS menu and the minimum setting is 100 and that is what it is set to. (The maximum setting is 132. I don't know what units these are in.)
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< 1380739300 10996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I also noticed for several years now that the RTC seems to be slow; it is always behind the correct date/time.
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< 1380739699 774113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you expect putting ice anywhere near the computer to help?
< 1380739757 2238 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: dry ice.
< 1380740343 79010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How could anything get inside the disks?
< 1380740354 258962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't click all the time; only sometimes.
< 1380740586 260015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_of_death#Hard_disk_drives ?
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< 1380741706 910915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/02/us-crime-silkroad-raid-idUSBRE9910TR20131002
< 1380741812 89908 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :von mises. of course.
< 1380741818 387014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1380741819 373567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"During the raid, authorities seized $3.6 million worth of bitcoin"
< 1380741864 921958 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You know how there's been reports of X dollars amount of Bitcoins being seized from Silk Road? You can know about 25% of that dollar value"
< 1380741904 846255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing about bitcoin is that if everyone collectively refuses to respect a transaction, then they can
< 1380741928 163913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, they can just pretend it didn't happen
< 1380741931 472872 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it's back up to $125/BTC.
< 1380741931 777850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah is the FBI going to open an account at MtGox and transfer it out with Dwolla or some shit?
< 1380741971 890805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, they /could/; as long as MtGox could find a buyer for the bitcoins the FBI were selling, and they probably could, then it'd work just fine
< 1380741973 789021 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they need it 'cos of the shutdown hurr hurr
< 1380742050 906231 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1380742054 521495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FBI gotta get paid
< 1380742056 296848 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> lunch
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< 1380742774 425794 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: they could use coinbase I guess?
< 1380742838 283360 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should email them with suggestions
< 1380743312 661349 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: coinbase looks very interesting. do you use it?
< 1380743330 700748 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, I used it like once to dump some of the bitcoins I had left
< 1380743335 373474 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was really simple and easy
< 1380743380 308732 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to use mtgox but then I realized they were requiring some crazy fancy identity verification and stuff and I really didn't want to hassle with that
< 1380743391 162899 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I should probably be glad I didn't use them now -_-)
< 1380743447 622050 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :same reason I didn't mtgox: my identity is my identity. okay with prooving that I am boily, but they are a little bit... overboard with all that.
< 1380743503 94443 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. all I need now are some shiny bitcoins.
< 1380743577 475294 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear there's now an opening for a classic, lucrative market
< 1380743678 182682 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewww, lwip uses the current byte-order of the architecture and byteswap functions
< 1380743827 963340 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing is still used?
< 1380743873 133135 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I use it since some time yesterday... not sure if anyone else does
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< 1380744741 633612 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Moral of the SilkRoad bust: Don't ask PHP questions on Stack Overflow"
< 1380744764 684144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... is that how he got busted?
< 1380744780 192663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you see the PDF?
< 1380744783 286537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1380744795 903524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www1.icsi.berkeley.edu/~nweaver/UlbrichtCriminalComplaint.pdf
< 1380744804 259412 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«in section 43 he post a question on stack overflow, asking "How can I connect to a Tor hidden service using curl in PHP?", using an account made under his name and then a minute later changed it to "frosty"»
< 1380744821 546889 :nooodl!~nooodl@26.136-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15445285/how-can-i-connect-to-a-tor-hidden-service-using-curl-in-php
< 1380744830 439654 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :omfg
< 1380744847 189458 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the whole worry about parallel construction, but that sounds pretty, wow XD
< 1380744908 838575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which page number shachaf
< 1380744918 985381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which page what
< 1380744957 745717 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from another answer to frosty, "Congratulations; you helped create the Silk Road :-)"
< 1380744960 772114 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet is weird
< 1380744964 562560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh page 30
< 1380744990 521191 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, not by the asker of course, he's not /that/ dumb
< 1380744992 203371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the rest of the pdf is also relevant
< 1380745334 972474 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit comments on the thing are as redditty as ever.
< 1380745928 241018 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Based on my training and experience, I know that criminals seeking to hide their identity online will often use pseudonymous usernames to conceal their identity."
< 1380746009 585683 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit, we’re busted.
< 1380746017 620547 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well well well.
< 1380746026 236210 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: darn, I guess you're safe
< 1380746033 34914 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not very pseudonymous either
< 1380746046 243031 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...when you're not using nicknames like 'Friendship', that is.
< 1380746051 454109 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha
< 1380746060 110382 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or.. RocketSquirrel, was it?
< 1380746103 753125 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on my training and experience, I know that I will prefix all my sentences with “Based on my training and experience, I know that”.
< 1380746106 848076 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, or did I mix things up now.. probably
< 1380746119 271237 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: my thoughts exactly when reading that pdf
< 1380746127 401962 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"criminals seeking to hide their identity online will often [hide their identity online]."
< 1380746150 310746 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: RocketJSquirrel.
< 1380746162 200560 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1380746410 467019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"clog << clog(2.718281828) << endl;"
< 1380746474 634445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ can be awesome sometimes
< 1380746490 847640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first clog is from , the second from )
< 1380746498 869062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1380746516 17691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :left shift clog by clog of e
< 1380746551 510905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more a case of "how do you manage to give two identifiers in the standard library the same name"
< 1380746686 47443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they were introduced by C++ and C99 respectively, I think
< 1380746693 988636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe the committees don't talk to each other as much as they should ;P
< 1380746710 709810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1380746723 288293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's not a problem unless the one in is a macro
< 1380746737 106236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in C, the first clog doesn't exist, and in C++, it can distinguish
< 1380746763 906730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1380746777 968187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because of overloading)
< 1380746800 667532 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to be safe they should give the first clog an operator() which calls the other one
< 1380746821 571417 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if clog is a function macro it still works, I think? not sure if it portably works of course
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< 1380746932 907353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: not if someone puts spaces between it and the parens, I tihnk
< 1380746934 372912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*think
< 1380746936 101701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure on that though
< 1380746947 267368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps that's irrelevant
< 1380746973 920242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd definitely matter if you produced the second clog as the result of expanding another macro, with some order of sequencing the #defines
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< 1380749421 163946 :tswett!23287666@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.118.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I tried to implement the Reidemeister moves in my new language: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Tuesday
< 1380749427 750732 :tswett!23287666@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.118.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out that my new language is pretty hard to work with.
< 1380749562 824050 :tswett!23287666@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.118.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certain things would be made significantly easier if you could specify that one rule takes priority over another.
< 1380749758 633006 :tswett!23287666@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.118.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like lambda calculus. You could say that the rule (replace (var X) with (var Y) in (var X)): (var Y); takes precedence over the rule (replace (var X) with (var Y) in (var Z): (var Z);.
< 1380749795 207603 :tswett!23287666@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.118.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, an unmatched parenthesis. Let me mitigate the damage by closing it now.
< 1380749795 975888 :tswett!23287666@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.118.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1380749820 653871 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: could you unbalance the parenthesises?
< 1380749821 426685 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i know lots of lisp stuff. people _love_ it, they're popped and assigned to local variables on the stack then yes, i'm excluding those that use psyntax's module system,
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< 1380749898 132136 :tswett!23287666@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.118.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta go. Great conversation, everyone.
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< 1380749950 688352 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett hth
< 1380749950 870286 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1380749976 540877 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett htsetth
< 1380749976 686157 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1380749982 251971 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. missed a w.
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< 1380751238 688668 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have to sing finnish music this term
< 1380751277 781224 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ^
< 1380751294 384163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellentä
< 1380751357 200909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --finnish 10 # some lyrics
< 1380751360 643897 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :syytäväsi hapunokkaipa ikutiivissasi reistansa eettävässäännisammasi nostaan oleviä räisinnolleen koulultaan tuttamiassa
< 1380751442 366880 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you pronounce kaikki maat te riemuitkaatte?
< 1380751464 856179 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apparently the song is a "psalmin" which I assume is a type of fish)
< 1380751500 95784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a psalm.
< 1380751502 807437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn psalm
< 1380751504 130275 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "psalm" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1380751504 275494 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psalm
< 1380751504 275675 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: one of the 150 lyrical poems and prayers that comprise the
< 1380751506 166962 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Book of Psalms in the Old Testament; said to have been
< 1380751508 174432 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : written by David
< 1380751510 141480 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2: any sacred song used to praise the deity
< 1380751512 150081 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : v 1: sing or celebrate in psalms; "He psalms the works of God"
< 1380751514 860783 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380751538 85149 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 'twas a joke ;)
< 1380751559 579629 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --esoteric 10
< 1380751561 475212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for pronunciation, I'm bad at explainin them but generally you can just map graphemes to phonemes in a straight-forward way.
< 1380751561 620415 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: esoteric
< 1380751567 615048 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --esolang 10
< 1380751570 40146 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctorylove elogi hcbf bf-pda cat hunter shakespeare ziim sqirrely alaguf
< 1380751585 651737 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how do you pronounce the e? is it "tee" or "tay"?
< 1380751615 408189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://translate.google.com/#fi/en/kaikki%20maat%20te%20riemuitkaatte and click on the speaker icon -- it's very close.
< 1380751628 516857 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like effort :P
< 1380751635 296721 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --french 20 # let's see if they are real French words...
< 1380751639 93295 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1380751639 239289 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :baony cirtungt intes regref yinerissamp hidedio fustants rugiri fraggre doplees promîm pavées dederla expurrida bons lnutz cuis nefîicy andosacrétos holog
< 1380751647 719367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's the IPA /e/, or close enough.
< 1380751671 806009 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mais c'est n'importe quoi!
< 1380751672 838829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the e in 'bed'.
< 1380751719 563997 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: il y a deux
< 1380751794 349955 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: je vois bien, mais n'empêche que 2/20, c'est pas fort.
< 1380751810 358513 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --french 20 # let's see if they are REAL French words again...
< 1380751813 512302 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :pari pers nar anguait mécommie lous gyt profebruguâ croit rentiput luffice lau provendentem cinquière hoquemen infit ractan les érrent uilepin
< 1380751841 180154 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: à peine mieux.
< 1380751858 755298 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oui, c'est ça
< 1380752055 90539 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :je m'insurge! je réclame un vrai dictionnaire! oui à la Domination Mondiale par le Français!
< 1380752101 680375 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :verilog why do you not have an expressional cond. come on. come on
< 1380752214 940186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: bons and les were really words, right?
< 1380752304 651069 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I confirm «pavées», «bons», «pari», «croit» and «les» are real, common modern French words.
< 1380752358 33654 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(paved FEM. PLUR., good PLUR., bet, (he) believes, the PLUR.)
< 1380752463 266938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :il croit qu'ils sont bons mots
< 1380752538 749963 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry if I sound pedantic, but: «il croit que ce sont de bons mots.»
< 1380752547 774686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_;
< 1380752586 478443 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you conjugate your verbs better than most francophones.
< 1380752599 293007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1380752657 58148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's really annoying to use google translate for french when my browser refuses to accept ´ as a working dead key
< 1380752677 664135 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1380752699 480379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was going to look up érrent
< 1380752727 980314 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one comes very close to «errent» (they wander).
< 1380752765 340283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on an errand, no doubt
< 1380752767 452806 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: j'ai compté «cuis», mais pas «pavées»
< 1380752782 201604 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: je ne connais pas le cuis. allons google translater la chose!
< 1380752796 655107 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAARGH!
< 1380752805 631408 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to cook.
< 1380752807 683131 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously.
< 1380752807 846819 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1380752835 820480 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1380752844 836343 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :la honte...
< 1380752862 381124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily cuis des poulets
< 1380752875 754768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't try to check that conjugation
< 1380752881 581249 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380752900 863119 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ce sont «pari» et «pavées»?
< 1380752944 162961 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nearly. third person, so «cuit».
< 1380752982 867893 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: a bet, and paved, as in paved roads: «routes pavées».
< 1380753032 804000 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, merçi!
< 1380753039 873238 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dë riën.
< 1380753061 281498 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon, avec tout ça, j'ai faim. temps d'aller manger du poisson mort.
< 1380753068 297211 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: SUSHI!
< 1380753070 708857 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1380753080 246740 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, zut
< 1380753120 576444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :poison du mort
< 1380753169 724280 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :il á parti avant que j'aie eu l'opportunité de se dire «Est-çe que tu va cuire le poisson?»
< 1380754798 565688 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-240-172.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380755498 591311 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380755827 449147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1380755829 581320 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :796) the other day I bought a recycling can from amazon it came in a cardboard box i took the can out of the box, broke down the box, and put it in the can it was amazing
< 1380755845 324116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1380755846 934395 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :49) Porn. There, see?
< 1380755852 981716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1380755855 124247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1380755856 840220 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :736) A lot of things happened; not only me, but also you
< 1380755864 137376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1380755894 621403 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is zzo38 run by syndyne
< 1380755971 665395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1380755973 433070 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1049) i think delivery sushi is one of those habits that can rapidly consume all of one's money like cocaine
< 1380755979 135145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1380755981 83487 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :531) elliott: GHC bug? Come on, it's the parentheses. The more parentheses you add, the closer it is to LISP, and therefore the more dynamically-typed.
< 1380755987 704037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 531
< 1380755994 104469 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof* elliott: GHC bug? Come on, it's the parentheses. The more parentheses you add, the closer it is to LISP, and therefore the more dynamically-typed.
< 1380756125 404536 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380756158 172198 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380756175 335004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1380756176 644582 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :582) http://i.imgur.com/dosYw.png WELCOME TO FUCKING STEELROMANCED
< 1380756188 418679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1380756188 860581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what the hell was wrong with that quote, are you trying to make a squeaky clean image on the internet or something
< 1380756189 708862 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :266) Ohheywait, I can make it a raytracer instead of a photon tracer so long as I run time backwards.
< 1380756198 43340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's not good?
< 1380756203 90865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just pointless and stupid.
< 1380756227 322632 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my quotes are better than that quote, and my quotes are the bottom of the barrel. there you have it
< 1380756237 830729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: O KAY
< 1380756245 882375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't meet whatever quality standards the quote database ought to have.
< 1380756280 715686 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.143 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380756304 222784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm surprised all my DF ones have survived the culls
< 1380756312 481618 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just seen someone run past me in Sailor Moon cosplay (I think) with a Pikachu backpack]
< 1380756332 708300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :at... twenty past twelve?
< 1380756363 468292 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the witching hour
< 1380756438 390008 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, she (or possibly he) was leaving university accommodation
< 1380756463 531976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :some late-night sailor moon cosplay
< 1380756495 653417 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe she was at a party or larp type thing with friends?
< 1380756510 6651 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :larping at midnight??? on wednesday????
< 1380756513 324443 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't add up!
< 1380756547 385823 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay my college had midnight larp type things but that was on friday or saturday.
< 1380756579 323053 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :midnight larp just sounds hilarious
< 1380756586 452134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you're being all furtive and mystic about it
< 1380756599 474147 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure we were warned about midnight larping by jack chick.
< 1380756628 472174 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was actually people running around the main lecture complex with duct-tape daggers
< 1380756704 122751 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that just sounds like a recipe for unpleasant misunderstandings
< 1380756734 360745 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pleasant knifeterstandings
< 1380756741 384909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mit.edu/~assassin/
< 1380756770 232274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we played Capture the Flag using the steam tunnels, does that count as LARP
< 1380756786 206761 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends. did you pretend to have fur?
< 1380756801 344290 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think that thing was very larpy. I knew someone who did actual larp though, she had a lot of fun with it)
< 1380756839 364567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: larp != furry
< 1380756883 402107 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1380756961 464818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the intersection is probably non-empty, but they are entirely orthogonal concepts.
< 1380756967 464821 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1380756973 698836 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1380756974 203180 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1380756981 138488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric Bike :yes.
< 1380756986 627932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1380756986 638268 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1380757124 724852 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't bear bears
< 1380758168 596776 :azaq231!~derivecto@p5B3EFF2A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380758189 651564 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-240-172.public.wayport.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1380758228 325843 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1380758228 701841 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-240-172.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380758280 784097 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1380758281 647747 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1380758318 433787 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, protip: /cs kick #esoteric
< 1380758333 453567 :azaq231!~derivecto@p5B3EFF2A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Client Quit
< 1380758349 887167 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380758445 213609 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.143 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1380758502 859987 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380758698 459499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: nope
< 1380759272 420212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1380759815 207631 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380759992 927171 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380760303 644180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, regarding that see the first graf of http://www.mit.edu/~mitsfs/related-groups.html
< 1380760357 314635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So, if you're from somewhere else and were looking for all the weirdos, here are the places you might have thought would all be the same as each other and us"
< 1380760366 414764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a beautiful sentence
< 1380760377 654521 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand @_@
< 1380760423 627371 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-240-172.public.wayport.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1380760441 528270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Welcome to the website of the MIT Anime Club. We are a non-profit MIT student organization dedicated to increasing the awareness of anime, or Japanese animation, in the MIT community."
< 1380760451 32274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"have you accepted anime into your life as your saviour yet?"
< 1380760491 975220 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1380760522 71276 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\rainbow{awareness}
< 1380760522 979919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: see, no furries at all!
< 1380760540 687607 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :larping and anime are totally distinct oerjan
< 1380760541 443598 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god
< 1380760565 909201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls join my pagan sci-fi anime larp
< 1380760574 100583 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :slash linux user group
< 1380760620 919983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sense that trondheim's gamers club may have been unusually light on the paganism.
< 1380760638 137211 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame, isn't scandinavia one of the best places for paganism
< 1380760653 423909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's good access to nature
< 1380760659 770831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good access to vikings
< 1380760702 987181 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I spent the winter on the verge of a total breakdown while living in Norway / I felt the darkness of the black metal bands"
< 1380760719 656164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But being such fawn of a man I didn't burn down any old churches / Just slept way too much"
< 1380760842 926350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the winter does tend to do that to weak people
< 1380761175 61438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you're high school students looking to start a club, you may find this Parents' guide to anime helpful when arguing that there are anime which can be shown on campus without inundating the school administration with calls from irate parents ranting about the school showing violent animated Japanese pornography."
< 1380761201 749572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk to your parents about anime before someone else does
< 1380761250 461788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i want to `addquote that but it doesn't work without all of elliott's quote included
< 1380761286 350546 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk to your children about anime.
< 1380761286 525604 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders at notions of anime = porn
< 1380761290 742967 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In an interesting work-around, Levison complied the next day by turning over the private SSL keys as an 11 page printout in 4-point type"
< 1380761498 397918 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can see a copy of the printout, awesome
< 1380762055 869346 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380764507 195685 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1380764527 701033 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380764617 466637 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wut?
< 1380764901 379152 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1380765000 373020 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380765253 834399 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380765379 849633 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1380767190 207540 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1380767361 499954 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1380767371 969883 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.plt files are encoded with base64 after being gzipped
< 1380767372 883836 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY
< 1380767419 60338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can email them duh
< 1380767699 918364 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WAS BORN TO GET WILD
< 1380767858 218179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly people
< 1380767865 154556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :base64 them first and then gzip
< 1380767979 305746 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file format specifies that the file contains some procedures to run (to provide various data)
< 1380767989 561920 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if those procedures are run in a sandbox or not
< 1380768028 157349 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist
< 1380768030 341784 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
< 1380768290 792814 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380768331 18622 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380769720 421782 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hover.ie/
< 1380769757 789773 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm glad they put in that warning that this will fuck my computer.
< 1380770001 858733 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1380770028 478944 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have webgl
< 1380770031 992322 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But the real treat is hidden a little deeper. If you type "bambi"—the original game's original code-name—on the start screen, it'll shoot you back into retro 1995 mode which replicates the original game, complete with fake desktop, and fake social media applications with fake installers. It's actually pretty rad."
< 1380770032 786601 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1380770114 377165 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck yeah
< 1380770115 320292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hover
< 1380770188 166385 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think multiplayer lets you choose who to play with :(
< 1380770191 455433 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have the weezer video too
< 1380770209 175305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no just a still of it :/
< 1380770277 995516 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kemivUKb4f4
< 1380770353 44766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1380770794 444629 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tk is counterculture
< 1380770842 15422 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm?
< 1380770857 205910 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is lexical scoping culture?
< 1380770873 888735 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1380770919 722829 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1380770937 876648 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380771526 237180 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_
< 1380774266 688340 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-15-105.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380777164 9163 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1380777827 564496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: People in ##typetheory were asking questions about linear logic that I bet you'd know the answers to.
< 1380778057 423645 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-15-105.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi esoteric ppl
< 1380778250 363517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome adu
< 1380778253 433182 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1380778269 609571 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-15-105.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc
< 1380778273 376039 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-15-105.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi HackEgo
< 1380778279 84442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :greets to a fellow three character nick person
< 1380778293 965921 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-15-105.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more than that
< 1380778299 604871 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-15-105.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bio person
< 1380778305 456057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a bicycle?
< 1380778313 135515 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-15-105.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to an auto-electro-person
< 1380778335 639966 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-15-105.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I <3 people
< 1380778382 512827 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-15-105.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just fyi
< 1380778392 704811 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-15-105.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite language is Funge-98
< 1380778404 314319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I =1 people
< 1380778409 633458 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-15-105.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that means anything, then you know I'm not a bot
< 1380778416 663224 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-15-105.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: AMEN
< 1380778436 607302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1380778436 789904 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98
< 1380778439 724145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no proof of anything.
< 1380778479 487284 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-15-105.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1380778964 563629 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did I see the name adu before?
< 1380778968 243555 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, #tcl I think
< 1380778983 54837 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, #racket
< 1380778987 559407 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I _just_ checked too
< 1380779024 483283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog [<]adu
< 1380779055 475406 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1380779069 198861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not here
< 1380779086 611624 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-15-105.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially here
< 1380779089 126711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell
< 1380779150 612402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog [<]adu
< 1380779158 330057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to be sure.
< 1380779162 958031 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-12-05.txt:15:50:51: after, meaning smaller?
< 1380779179 757635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: stop silently timing out thx
< 1380779205 191133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did think you looked familiar
< 1380779288 558365 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-15-105.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan HackEgo
< 1380779722 32194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: hi and bye
< 1380780965 493480 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-15-105.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1380781721 542860 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
< 1380782139 265026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What's your favourite language?
< 1380782139 612033 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well i need to make
< 1380782176 766647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Okay, well, remember to write a wiki entry about it when it's done.
< 1380782177 260727 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there are no pencils within reach that you might want to add variables and the like? it seems that thing is
< 1380782197 16424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what fungot??
< 1380782197 525119 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: anything interesting happened here the last weeks? i'm insulted! :p) then performed operations on it,
< 1380782289 192366 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just is.
< 1380782323 290607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is it?
< 1380782323 880072 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: okay. parachute with the fluffy parachutey bits right? what does that tell you about it shortly after first coming in here, otherwise.
< 1380782362 109422 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whu, are parachutes fluffy?
< 1380782370 63148 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I think you're drunk
< 1380782370 251711 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i used it a bit, too.
< 1380782384 118584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh
< 1380782392 352655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what is """it"""
< 1380782396 766293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a drugz expert
< 1380782407 693614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1380782476 377571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a lot of drugz and then you finish all the good ones do you only have the dregz left??
< 1380782492 704520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :confirm
< 1380782510 805050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did fungot use
< 1380782511 94523 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: error in cdar: expected type number, got ' output-port'. try again.
< 1380782516 809269 :ski!~md9slj@t-2020-05.studat.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf : mhm ..
< 1380782581 265629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did fungot say?
< 1380782581 487394 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: my implementation isn't supposed to sound rude.
< 1380782585 27427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1380782605 68732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:39 fungot: I think you're drunk
< 1380782605 270123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:39 FireFly: i used it a bit, too.
< 1380782605 418181 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: s/ indenting/ fnord/ 205/ collects") and " fnord",
< 1380782605 712056 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: eew. you don't say. is it documented??
< 1380782621 211868 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote what did fungot say? kmc: my implementation isn't supposed to sound rude.
< 1380782621 424821 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: some esolang? :) what implementation do you prefer
< 1380782628 685667 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1114) what did fungot say? kmc: my implementation isn't supposed to sound rude.
< 1380782630 929236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think in context it would have to be alcohol
< 1380782640 245633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why "too"
< 1380782650 498546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like "it" is another kind of drugz
< 1380782656 656667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe implying that FireFly was also drunk
< 1380782703 790007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you said a sentence with "FireFly" in it i expected an immediate response
< 1380782708 904353 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :me 2
< 1380782739 572787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :from FireFly
< 1380782743 530441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot-style
< 1380782744 9884 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is wright's softscheme available somewhere? :) imagine if the imagination of the syntax for them sane? i don't udnerstand why it's called that, yes
< 1380782816 21743 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1380782819 932147 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungotfly
< 1380782820 84304 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: coded that already
< 1380782826 173035 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-huh
< 1380782859 903388 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mighto not be a bot
< 1380782878 72795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: have you coded funggo38
< 1380782878 288525 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm just not getting this. something happening somewhere?
< 1380782908 158690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zhongguo38
< 1380782966 400620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fungotta do it
< 1380782966 894680 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you need to solve the assignment without too much problem, while someone else could help in the absence of software patents in europe as well and is the closing bracket
< 1380783042 328990 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380783171 715691 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: who's the closing bracket?
< 1380783172 60447 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i'm running into an apparent conflict between ajax.request and magic's handling of json. it
< 1380783619 40319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I think the Xen you're in nowadays is affecting your "brain".
< 1380783619 489408 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and if there is any somewhat popular os without those. but for further refinement, i'm crippled if i can't find
< 1380783911 587885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you virtualized fungot?
< 1380783911 829268 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it looks perfectly human and everything. obviously it had something to do
< 1380783916 98058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1380783993 351998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC: Exercise 'can be as good as pills'
< 1380783999 825338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they mean for your health
< 1380784501 595216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was already on a Linux-VServer fakey-server (because it ran on a laptop with a non-PAE Pentium M and Xen dropped support for that in 2008 or so), I just rejiggled some hardware to make that a Xen guest instead.
< 1380784632 639265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also Debian dropped Linux-VServer starting from wheezy, and I had bad experiences with OpenVZ when I tried it out earlier.)
< 1380784673 561992 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bochs or gtfo
< 1380784679 584441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently OpenVZ is also gone, since LXC is the new hotness when it comes to "containers-style" stuff.)
< 1380784683 478161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, dosbox
< 1380784768 606496 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you want containers you should probably use one of the solaris-derivatives and zones)
< 1380784810 272084 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380784814 137347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Would you like to run in, say, ZBefunge in Frotz on DOSBox? (You'd have to port yourself to Befunge-93 first, mind you.)
< 1380784814 756824 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ye gads my connection is extremely slow....) fnord, offset fnord ( with no evidence) that the existing oss suck :)
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< 1380784896 246872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :fnord, offset fnord (with no evidence) | PDF while supplies last: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | this space intentionally left right
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< 1380790240 360629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show source
< 1380790240 506201 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98)S
< 1380790246 25409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def source ul (https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98)S
< 1380790246 175315 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1380790247 383644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save
< 1380790247 746089 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1380790257 258151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't see why I should have to host that sort of things myself.)
< 1380790953 123998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TIL: fungot is 58.2% Perl, 13.6% Python and 28.2% F#.)
< 1380790953 520336 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but just entering one would be: fnord .ijke:2,s
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< 1380805433 578808 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good strange-things-happen-with-the-topic morning!
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< 1380810886 220071 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help
< 1380810886 365618 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
< 1380811562 290514 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (())
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< 1380814510 446165 :nooodl_!~nooodl@26.136-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl
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< 1380816397 98741 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, all you people!
< 1380816442 485359 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, JWinslow23
< 1380816683 795558 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I'm stuck on ideas for esolangs. Can you help?
< 1380816699 184947 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the creator of Drive-In Window, Pancake Stack, and Ecstatic.
< 1380816753 586138 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.44 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380816781 463009 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mystery of the midnight Moon hasn't been solved yet
< 1380816802 194499 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean?
< 1380816821 494028 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means I saw a Sailor Moon cosplayer at half past midnight last night
< 1380816842 184077 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysterious
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< 1380817442 516200 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I gotta go. Only got an hour and a half for lunch.
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< 1380818834 663710 :Merengil!~IceChat77@93.1.44.158 QUIT :Quit: Some folks are wise, and some otherwise.
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< 1380819951 846989 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380820016 707485 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380821720 398282 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Uguubee111116
< 1380821726 667385 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :13Uguube11e111116: Welcome to the international h04ub for esot10eric prog04ramming langu14age de12sign and10 deploymen13t! For more information, check out ou02r03 wiki14:03 http://esolangs.13org/wiki10/M12ain04_Page13. (Fo02r the other 06kind of es03oterica, 12try #esote06r12ic 10on03 i09rc.dal.net.)
< 1380821753 230712 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: were you at a convention?
< 1380821875 171663 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, no
< 1380821891 270467 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was entering my accommodation complex
< 1380821898 43998 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay?
< 1380821979 736178 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1380823578 478820 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380824030 615070 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.180.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to this in a couple of weeks http://www.nationalcraftanddesign.org.uk/exhibitions/Next%20Main%20Gallery%20Exhibition
< 1380824041 811781 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.180.229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Revolution in the Bedroom, War in the Playground: Video Gaming 1979-1989"
< 1380824212 718971 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380824382 564106 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :retrogaming is the way of the future!
< 1380824479 880851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Have you ever been a "revolution in the bedroom", if you know what I mean?
< 1380824480 429636 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm _also_ saying that you can't make an impact on static reasoning that we do not need to be
< 1380824533 117778 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to try static reasoning next time I'm with my SO.
< 1380824814 727118 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1380825740 846428 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1380825922 532249 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1380829703 293767 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1380829739 458616 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1380829915 266672 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1380830289 138088 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1380831044 922056 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380833288 796646 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bazaar is crap.
< 1380833649 504831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a (probably non-D) VCS with a command line tool called "cthdrl" already?
< 1380833722 112163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There does not seem to be. A shame.
< 1380834189 599881 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that related to LoL?
< 1380834197 240569 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380834383 967961 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back!
< 1380834408 410682 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell o
< 1380834413 535833 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.
< 1380834487 193222 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's brainf*** for Hello
< 1380834499 320242 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help
< 1380834499 465799 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
< 1380834500 868409 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1380834505 938704 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1380834508 8824 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1380834508 993624 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help .
< 1380834513 345131 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello
< 1380834518 788101 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :61 ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+><<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>. [362]
< 1380834530 882571 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you beat egobot, good job
< 1380834546 49288 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no
< 1380834569 41539 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot seems to print something else
< 1380834571 748155 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a newline i guess
< 1380834586 392386 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would have at least 4 chars less without that
< 1380834592 760894 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+><<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>.
< 1380834592 906414 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello.
< 1380834598 853820 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a .
< 1380834604 207806 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still 4 chars
< 1380834607 494134 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.
< 1380834607 639591 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1380834613 340130 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd
< 1380834621 217080 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1380834637 642242 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because periods suck
< 1380834639 193602 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the offest thing is >< of egobot
< 1380834643 799847 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oddest
< 1380834661 347376 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf_txtgen is very heuristic i guess
< 1380834681 482897 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a language called Ecstatic. The program to echo input to output is "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!".
< 1380834682 456562 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could at least filter obvious nops
< 1380834697 521299 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: nice
< 1380834725 166030 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It converts BF commands to a string of !s. That BF program was ",."
< 1380834744 945113 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it do that?
< 1380834750 302095 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has an esolangs.org wiki page.
< 1380834805 637061 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1380834895 386231 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. It takes 4,611,686,021,782,831,112 exclamation points to print "Hello". I wonder what a Hello World program would be?
< 1380834937 633728 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't be that hard to find out, just takes a while to calculate
< 1380835094 3186 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have yet to find out what binary to decimal converter to use. It has to handle at least 334 binary digits!
< 1380835101 307455 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the program is like, unary-coded?
< 1380835117 426534 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but instead of "0", "!" is used.
< 1380835128 410477 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like binary program -> number X -> X !s
< 1380835133 404183 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: shouldn't matter
< 1380835135 414018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should use ! and ¡
< 1380835137 405387 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh, that's some nice exponential code size inflation :P
< 1380835141 608206 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it probably compresses pretty well.
< 1380835143 143553 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1380835157 686438 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are languages which have arbitrary large integers
< 1380835160 617286 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ruby
< 1380835174 998923 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that'd be much shorter, indeed
< 1380835176 499672 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only there was a possible way to represent these programs in an actual form.
< 1380835209 843752 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you could "compress" the exclamation points, representing the number of exclamation points in some more compact fashion
< 1380835214 990633 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: did you write an interpreter?
< 1380835247 312799 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what would need at least a second character
< 1380835256 31018 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I have only ever programmed in esolangs (and a bit of Batch), and I have no idea how in an esolang (or Batch).
< 1380835267 348778 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(uint64_t i = 0; i < 4611686021782831112ULL; i++) putc('!
< 1380835269 375633 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'); ?
< 1380835269 598204 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: GHC's Integer actually has a max of 2^(64*2^64) or so, what bullshit
< 1380835295 12590 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that part of GMP
< 1380835295 676177 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that's a lot of chars
< 1380835307 307394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure Bike
< 1380835312 789716 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: What was that?
< 1380835317 447979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gibraltar mounted police
< 1380835324 89379 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program is like, really really exclaiming itself. or something. I don't know
< 1380835328 302025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: there's something beautiful about writing a program like that, with the stop condition, as if you expect to actually run it to termination
< 1380835336 752990 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1380835345 330974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you seen http://www.jwz.org/blog/2008/03/most-positive-bignum/?
< 1380835384 730387 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: About using ! and ¡, that is a good idea! that way we won't have the leading 1 and we don't have to convert to decimal!
< 1380835466 819195 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone seen my language, Pancake Stack? Or Drive-in Window?
< 1380835473 505375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow 7 tag bits on a 32-bit word o_O
< 1380835502 554827 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the idea for Drive-in Window last year, thanks for asking.
< 1380835502 798875 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But it's a zero that consumes 524 KB, and is not = to 0. " haha
< 1380835547 455817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pours one out for the LISP Machines
< 1380835551 161761 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for(int n = 2;;n++){int m = n;while(m != 1) {m = (m%2)?m/2:m*3+1;if(m == n) return 0;}} // how about something like this? XD well okay I guess it'll eventually overflow
< 1380835609 639130 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: great link
< 1380835616 189044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: technically it's not actually possible to get an unbounded amount of storage with something that strictly conforms to the C specification, without cheating by using filesystem APIs and stuff ;_;
< 1380835617 270917 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lucky for me, I don't speak in a LISP
< 1380835657 304806 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may not be aware of it but you're speaking in a REPL!
< 1380835672 479391 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1380835685 752853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: because sizeof measures the size of types, including pointers, in bytes, and CHAR_BIT has to be a finite integer, so every type has a finite size, so memory has to be finite (because you can get pointers to it). so you actually can't write a perfect Collatz program or whatever
< 1380835700 781423 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: couldn't you, like, represent a number as a tree?
< 1380835708 820573 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like, it could go as deep as you wanted
< 1380835716 377951 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does REPL stand for Real Esoteric Programming Language?
< 1380835722 630062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I think you can't take pointers to register variables or something? and the call stack isn't necessarily finite, but you can only access that in a stack discipline, so it still isn't enough for arbitrary storage
< 1380835723 237580 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I guess you'd run out of pointer space or something ^^;
< 1380835729 667679 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380835732 9649 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could stand for that
< 1380835736 582986 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right gosh I remember that conversation now
< 1380835738 601616 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was really silly
< 1380835742 97873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yeah... the problem is you have to use pointers, and the standard requires them to be finite
< 1380835748 112432 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/programs.html TCALC is cool.
< 1380835767 404794 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and in C)
< 1380835771 883750 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not infinite though.
< 1380835772 427363 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's um. .w
< 1380835786 896346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just funny that like, an obscure corner kinda thing like sizeof interacts with requiring you to define a constant elsewhere and ends up magically requiring you to have finite storage
< 1380835790 785657 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :knuth's literate programming thing
< 1380835801 545766 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I researched. It's read-evaluate-print-loop.
< 1380835804 672740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: .w is C code with a lot of TeX around it
< 1380835807 24433 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :linuxes sometimes have weave and tangle
< 1380835808 831001 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid acronym!
< 1380835811 210883 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh
< 1380835813 494005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and um, macros.
< 1380835817 347117 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, cweave and ctangle.
< 1380835839 637927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the @<...@> stuff includes the code defined elsewhere with @<...@>=
< 1380835844 178434 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-----------------------------
< 1380835863 684009 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am working an an esolang called BASE-TWO
< 1380835873 746492 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pleasedon'tbeabrainfuckderivative
< 1380835875 128794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380835889 148827 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could be oerjan
< 1380835890 794063 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1380835899 579616 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: brainfuck is base 8, so there is hope
< 1380835925 3625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1380835928 18562 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: can an esolang be oerjan?
< 1380835938 981429 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how about using files? IIRC files could be infinite
< 1380835962 317370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :UReal Esoteric Programming Language: Sheer Disaster Download
< 1380835968 669931 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also how about this being the three thousandth time this being brought up here)
< 1380835979 464863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah, but then you're relying on the system more than C
< 1380835985 491427 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, maybe there really should be a Sheer Disaster to go with Shear Disaster
< 1380836014 448850 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are talking about C's computability class?
< 1380836030 746103 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether it can have arbitrarily sized bignums, at least
< 1380836038 310970 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: isn't stdio in the C library and defined in the C standard?
< 1380836066 109398 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2013/10/important-customer-security-announcement.html "So, Adobe got owned"
< 1380836086 86600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess standard C might have enough filesystem API to let you do it?
< 1380836091 208595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: um you realize "Shear Disaster" is probably a pun on the former, right?
< 1380836092 837684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need relative fseek()
< 1380836093 693454 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: didn't read the scrollback but it sort of looked like it
< 1380836102 552010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ftell() has to be able to fail
< 1380836102 806517 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: Oh no, not the source code!
< 1380836112 906872 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i realize nothing.
< 1380836124 307081 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we decided that ftell was allowed to fail
< 1380836135 683378 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that the standard said that
< 1380836159 268568 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually it was a while since I was having this discussion last time
< 1380836189 676598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i think i have realized that. would you like another kick?
< 1380836205 832988 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: don't leave us hanging there
< 1380836207 221071 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1380836218 259962 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where?
< 1380836218 632502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: always with the negativity.
< 1380836238 802039 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes! I would indeed not like that!"
< 1380836239 192705 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the cliffhanger. you were talking about BASE-TWO
< 1380836249 271889 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah. It will be a turning tarpit.
< 1380836266 527096 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wheel of commands will be +-><[],.
< 1380836267 274344 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the sole instructions are 0 and 1?
< 1380836271 273708 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap
< 1380836275 23217 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactamungus.
< 1380836281 22718 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: look at category:brainfuck derivatives or whatever
< 1380836281 482645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: much better!
< 1380836283 734513 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then never do this again.
< 1380836296 605841 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 Rotates the wheel in the current direction (initialized to right).
< 1380836313 941252 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 Executes the command and reverses direction.
< 1380836314 859775 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: if you give me five minutes I could probably link two wiki pages describing that exact language
< 1380836323 74394 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK!
< 1380836323 777116 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except maybe with other symbols for 0 and 1
< 1380836325 716935 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck derivatives are boring
< 1380836334 894672 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhhhhh without the reversing direction though
< 1380836350 381605 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, kmc, but I gave away my best two ideas!
< 1380836392 975669 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: if you make a brainfuck derivative you'll have to live with what you did for the rest of your life
< 1380836397 824328 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust me you don't want that!
< 1380836413 972001 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1380836436 231418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rotating wheel? so a brainfuck derivative turning tarpit?
< 1380836451 868600 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, oerjan!
< 1380836460 58403 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like the words "turning tarpit"
< 1380836469 733323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: i expect that still exists already.
< 1380836481 964332 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1380836488 364209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i'm pretty sure i've seen it, but my memory is still vague.
< 1380836510 607690 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try something with ' ' for spinning and ! for executing
< 1380836532 624103 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kay-kay.
< 1380836549 726143 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a language being a total asshole in the way that it uses the exact same commands as brainfuck but changes the chars for them
< 1380836563 128929 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. <> for [], + and - swapped
< 1380836564 963767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone made a meta-brainfuck derivative that has parameters for simulating 90% of the others yet
< 1380836573 180261 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so + would do [ and > would do -?
< 1380836587 743921 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that, yes
< 1380836595 667992 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be pretty hard to write, though
< 1380836606 368590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainbrain ?
< 1380836608 781144 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes
< 1380836616 649714 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also elliott was faster than me
< 1380836630 625553 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no wait this one is a joke
< 1380836633 229139 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an actual one
< 1380836692 597486 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, something like a function (or interpreters of functions) [Char] -> [Int3]?
< 1380836728 793881 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what? Has anybody made a language based off of checkers?
< 1380836756 755631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stares at zzo38
< 1380836762 528305 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: most definitely not poulet, I swear.
< 1380836782 123590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if he's not here, he would be the one to do such a thing.
< 1380836800 164953 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he'd use a board game way more obscure than checkers
< 1380836812 424755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :point
< 1380836816 761838 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean waving fingers?
< 1380836828 868728 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game is also known as Spellbinder.
< 1380836841 747608 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that's a pencil-paper game.
< 1380836846 640673 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind!
< 1380836852 874583 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
< 1380836853 20272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Most_ever_Brainfuckiest_Fuck_you_Brain_fucker_Fuck
< 1380836865 810550 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, Spellbinder, that sounds more zzoic
< 1380836867 29851 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blognomic's current dynasty reminds me of spellbinder
< 1380836881 486474 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about Tictactoe?
< 1380836908 264059 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1380836908 628593 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help .
< 1380836910 12508 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not go?
< 1380836932 644726 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen I gotta go. Good to see ya!
< 1380836936 177482 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :228 +++++++++++++++[>+++++>++>+++++++>+++<<<<-]>--.>++.>--.++++++++.+++++..-------------------.<.>++++++.++++++++.>+.<<.<--.>>..<<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>.>+++++.-----.<.>++++.<<+..>.>++++++.<<----.>+.-----------------------. [556]
< 1380836942 331254 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1380836953 700390 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do these numbers mean?
< 1380836964 37483 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a nice piece of code but how can we read it
< 1380836982 245735 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +++++++++++++++[>+++++>++>+++++++>+++<<<<-]>--.>++.>--.++++++++.+++++..-------------------.<.>++++++.++++++++.>+.<<.<--.>>..<<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>.>+++++.-----.<.>++++.<<+..>.>++++++.<<----.>+.-----------------------. [556]
< 1380836994 447103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: hm apart from the pencil-paper part it sounds like something someone in my old gamer's club described once. i suppose you just need pencil and paper to keep track?
< 1380836995 444932 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not like that
< 1380837074 485320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: too late
< 1380837097 740127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: length of program and number of steps, perhaps?
< 1380837114 197028 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1380837121 669741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +++++++++++++++[>+++++>++>+++++++>+++<<<<-]>--.>++.>--.++++++++.+++++..-------------------.<.>++++++.++++++++.>+.<<.<--.>>..<<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>.>+++++.-----.<.>++++.<<+..>.>++++++.<<----.>+.-----------------------.
< 1380837122 842860 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1380837142 212667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot: why are you not working
< 1380837146 953787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++++[>+++++>++>+++++++>+++<<<<-]>--.>++.>--.++++++++.+++++..-------------------.<.>++++++.++++++++.>+.<<.<--.>>..<<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>.>+++++.-----.<.>++++.<<+..>.>++++++.<<----.>+.-----------------------.
< 1380837147 99292 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gotta go. Good to see ya!.
< 1380837166 531466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo hi
< 1380837171 497031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1380837171 642235 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: don't leave!
< 1380837171 919657 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help .
< 1380837172 65517 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: anyways the compiler just needs to be
< 1380837179 688282 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi
< 1380837180 624177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i think EgoBot is ill
< 1380837182 789380 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1380837213 413398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp bf '+++++++++++++++[>+++++>++>+++++++>+++<<<<-]>--.>++.>--.++++++++.+++++..-------------------.<.>++++++.++++++++.>+.<<.<--.>>..<<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>.>+++++.-----.<.>++++.<<+..>.>++++++.<<----.>+.-----------------------.'
< 1380837215 389047 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gotta go. Good to see ya!
< 1380837228 185490 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1380837240 713356 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1380837246 937876 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was kinda obvious
< 1380837255 713723 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since bf_textgen is supposed to do that
< 1380837269 433521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo does contain most of EgoBot's esolangs. not sure about the userinterps.
< 1380837294 850961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course it doesn't have bfjoust, i think.
< 1380837307 360603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust areyouthere <
< 1380837319 588717 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for oerjan_areyouthere: 0.0
< 1380837325 394807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh _that_ works.
< 1380837373 758526 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hurr [+>]
< 1380837376 603316 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for olsner_hurr: 6.3
< 1380837383 76887 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ìnter ocaml 'print_newline (let () = print_string "Hello, " in print_string "World!")'
< 1380837399 63633 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp ocaml 'print_newline (let () = print_string "Hello, " in print_string "World!")'
< 1380837400 630923 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec: 4: ibin/ocaml: not found
< 1380837413 461120 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too good to be true
< 1380837424 245920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot never had that afair
< 1380837476 134489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :interp is for interpreters transfered from EgoBot to HackEgo
< 1380837554 315262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory you could install ocaml on HackEgo.
< 1380837596 508862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which ocaml
< 1380837597 954213 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1380837602 433149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run which ocaml
< 1380837603 907276 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1380837697 474621 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1380837836 134209 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1380837929 935006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote BBC: Exercise 'can be as good as pills' oh, they mean for your health
< 1380837934 550858 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1115) BBC: Exercise 'can be as good as pills' oh, they mean for your health
< 1380838140 254983 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380838171 435356 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen, I gave you 5 minutes. What is the esolangs page called?
< 1380838185 624436 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :urh
< 1380838213 684150 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said the BASE-TWO page would be ready in 5 minutes. You said that 30 minutes ago!
< 1380838227 221572 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh, such a slave driver
< 1380838230 700000 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Braincrash
< 1380838244 208933 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, Fiona. He promised.
< 1380838291 150322 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got another one but apparently he's not in the turning tarpits category
< 1380838297 472822 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tic-tac-toe based, anyone?
< 1380838305 979881 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I seem to recall saying "I could" which hardly qualifies as promising
< 1380838319 510377 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: a cellular automaton?
< 1380838339 948707 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, Koen. So, so sorry.
< 1380838353 247806 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot stress that enough.
< 1380838367 5719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: quite ridiculous that none of us noticed http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=AutoMouse&curid=1235&diff=37443&oldid=30864 before :P
< 1380838400 982086 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the spaces gone on by the players would do something. Corners could be output commands, for example.
< 1380838412 893356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, I facepalmed -_-
< 1380838444 326551 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that, but I wasn't logged in.
< 1380838449 389724 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was at school.
< 1380838470 965454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: well you did good
< 1380838508 442747 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks! And the site wasn't dead, the Wayback Machine just can't archive it's own crawl pages, and apparently that's what happened.
< 1380838573 771164 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, doesn't the edited version link to an older version of the archived page?
< 1380838652 573549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i just noticed that. trying to find the newest version now.
< 1380838698 596137 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone interested in Tik-Tak-Toe?
< 1380838708 834746 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The esolang idea, I mean.
< 1380838798 337194 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe do something if the games are a win, loss, or tie, and on what square they won?
< 1380838824 77590 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'll do that.
< 1380838969 315378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: as a general rule, we prefer to link to the newest web archive version of pages (excepting versions linking to error pages or domain squatters, of course)
< 1380838984 887197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although sometimes that takes a bit of searching to find.
< 1380838991 354654 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, didn't have time to find that page.
< 1380839094 178230 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380839209 314337 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls ibin
< 1380839211 711015 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l \ 2l \ adjust \ asm \ axo \ bch \ befunge \ befunge98 \ bf \ bf16 \ bf32 \ bf8 \ bf_txtgen \ boolfuck \ c \ cintercal \ clcintercal \ cxx \ dimensifuck \ forth \ glass \ glypho \ haskell \ k \ kipple \ lambda \ lazyk \ linguine \ malbolge \ pbrain \ qbf \ rail \ rhotor \ sadol \ sceql \ sh \ trigger \ udage01 \ underload \ unlambda \ whirl
< 1380839355 862863 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Every day at 2200 GMT, the Ghost of MNG joins the mozilla #developers IRC channel to berate us for going with APNG. http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3190427»
< 1380839390 207060 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1380839390 536744 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help .
< 1380839402 170698 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help bfjoust
< 1380839402 548523 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I have no help for bfjoust!
< 1380839402 693926 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: awesome
< 1380839415 530492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: haha
< 1380839487 481801 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose JWinslow23 has been properly `welcome'd?
< 1380839501 499114 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whichever is the current favourite variation of it
< 1380839532 837280 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380839543 219143 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer relcome
< 1380839573 376559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer rainwords welcome
< 1380839584 31499 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an emoclew?
< 1380839586 513888 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`emoclew
< 1380839589 130231 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.ten.lad.cri no ciretose# yrt ,aciretose fo dnik rehto eht roF) .egaP_niaM/ikiw/gro.sgnalose//:ptth :ikiw ruo tuo kcehc ,noitamrofni erom roF !tnemyolped dna ngised egaugnal gnimmargorp ciretose rof buh lanoitanretni eht ot emocleW
< 1380839595 469942 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an emoclew.
< 1380839596 143332 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`emoclaw
< 1380839597 655026 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: emoclaw: not found
< 1380839627 465403 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: those are too dangerous for HackEgo to provide
< 1380839642 196657 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was an emoclaw around the time of the introduction of Grimmargorp
< 1380839665 247111 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i want to make raincome its own program, but the name makes me want to make a Reich pun and i've got nothing. ;_;
< 1380839719 706169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the reich pun?
< 1380839752 268470 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_Gonna_Rain it's gon' come down
< 1380839763 71195 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380839763 216817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1380839768 9776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what the word makes me think of
< 1380839768 455993 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nyas
< 1380839774 387851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Lymia
< 1380839815 34431 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup
< 1380839851 439817 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'evening
< 1380840533 29221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: i wrote an argument about Pancake Stack being turing complete iff values are unbounded.
< 1380840552 378696 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are.
< 1380840592 751979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: also http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust
< 1380840622 113060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Lymia
< 1380840623 601155 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I know what that is. I just don't have a good strategy.
< 1380840714 647042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rwelcome Bike
< 1380840717 638695 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :6Bike: 4Welcome 7to 8the 9international 2hub 13for 6esoteric 4programming 7language 8design 9and 2deployment! 13For 6more 4information, 7check 8out 9our 2wiki: 13http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. 6(For 4the 7other 8kind 9of 2esoterica, 13try 6#esoteric 4on 7irc.dal.net.)
< 1380840735 154064 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring
< 1380840756 574462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i'm just saying it already exists.
< 1380840757 966990 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sits in elliott's lap :3
< 1380840758 782204 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine
< 1380840770 563394 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and it has a boring name.
< 1380840816 261441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's not what the word makes me think of <-- i'm with kmc
< 1380840836 772564 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone gonna make a new program in Drive-In Window?
< 1380840855 584060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies ;)
< 1380840894 686644 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray i'm not the only one with a dirty mind (?)
< 1380841006 59816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: um connecting reich with the nazis makes you dirty now?
< 1380841050 125006 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1380841053 170194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1380841063 42919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about my association with "raincome" not reich...
< 1380841066 632155 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(kmc was thinking of something else *giggles*)
< 1380841074 421738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. i have another association.
< 1380841079 735217 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust maybethisonewillwin? (>+>-)*4>([-]+>[-]->)*11
< 1380841082 691476 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for JWinslow23_maybethisonewillwin_: 13.8
< 1380841088 556959 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So low!
< 1380841101 268112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv bin/{rwel,oz}come
< 1380841105 148408 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1380841114 717811 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: :3
< 1380841128 507933 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1380841185 75775 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1380841185 414950 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help .
< 1380841201 156568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages
< 1380841201 593176 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh.
< 1380841219 219922 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen An addicting game I play is called Acheivement Unclocked. Play it sometime!
< 1380841222 194730 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :730 +++++++++++[>++++++++++>++++++>+++++++++>+++<<<<-]>>-.<.>>>-.<<++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+++.>+.+++++.<-.<++++++.>>.<<------.>++++.>>.<<.------.<-.>++++.>>.<<----------------------------.>>.<<<+++.>>+++.<++++++++++++++++++++++++.<+++++++++.>>>.<---.<<------.>>>.<------.<.+++++++++++..>++.-.>.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<-.<----.>++.<+.<+++.>----.>++++++++.<.+++++++++.<--.-------------------------------------------------------------------------
< 1380841234 220245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: s/ei/ie/
< 1380841240 186038 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this some kind of... bizarre spam?
< 1380841241 775799 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :achievement unlocked got boring fast, thankfully
< 1380841252 542780 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not spam.
< 1380841257 288057 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.maps toN
< 1380841262 603710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the whole universe is a bizarre spam.
< 1380841264 896229 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kidding!
< 1380841265 68125 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what a spam would say
< 1380841273 416558 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are a spam!
< 1380841285 956287 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yeah, once you run out of the cute 'challenge' ones it's just a dumb slog
< 1380841289 914587 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye!
< 1380841294 518920 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1380841344 481085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (SPAM )S((SPAM )(SPAMMITY ))(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^
< 1380841344 900184 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAM SPAMMITY SPAMMITY SPAM SPAMMITY SPAM SPAM SPAMMITY SPAMMITY SPAM SPAM SPAMMITY SPAM SPAMMITY SPAMMITY SPAM SPAMMITY SPAM SPAM SPAMMITY SPAM SPAMMITY SPAMMITY SPAM SPAM SPAMMITY SPAMMITY SPAM SPAMMITY SPAM SPAM SPAMMITY SPAMMITY SPAM SPAM SPAMMITY SPAM SPAMMITY SPAMMITY SPAM SPAM SPAMMITY SPAMMITY SPAM SPAMMITY SPAM SP ...too much output!
< 1380841377 671884 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that sequence
< 1380841399 616706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same sequence as always
< 1380841413 965962 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i guess it's spam once or twice and then spammity once or twice, over and over
< 1380841428 944009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is that the thue-morse sequence
< 1380841435 806266 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "shit fuck hell damn ass "
< 1380841436 404063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CORRECT
< 1380841436 741958 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "shit fuck hell damn ass shit fuck hell damn ass shit fuck hell damn ass sh...
< 1380841453 584848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i find your swearing boringly repetitive
< 1380841521 341449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's lambdabot's swearing.............
< 1380841525 570104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (12)S(*a(~:)~*^~):((1)S)~*~((2)S:*)~*:(~:()~)~*^(a(:^)*~a(*()~)~*^~^):^ variation!
< 1380841528 413183 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :122112122122112112212112122112112122122112122121121122122112122122112112122121122122112122122112112212112122122112112122112112212112112212211212212112212212112112212211212212112112212112122112112122121122122112122122112112122112112212212112122112112212112112212212112122112112122122112122121121122122121122122112122122112112 ...too much output!
< 1380841568 100851 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fuck
< 1380841607 281042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not so much a variation as a completely different sequence.
< 1380841738 883863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^^:^^^:^^^^^:^^^^^^:::^^^^^^^^:::^^^:^^^^::^)()~((())~:a~*):a~*~^!(~((!())(!:^(^)*)(!!:^(!^)*))~*^!!^):^(~((()())(:a~*:(*(!^)(:)S)~*~(!*(^)(^)S)~*):a~**((!^)~^!^)(!(^)~^^))~*^( )S!!a:(*)*~(~*)**^~*(()()(!)()(!)(:a~*:(!^(!^((!^)*)(!(^)*))(!^((^)*)(!(^)*)))~*~(!^(!^((!^)*)(!(^)*))(!^((^)*)(!(!^)*)))~*):^)~*^!!!!!!~:^):^
< 1380841741 38 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^:^^^:^^^^^:^^^^^^:::^^^^^^^^:::^^^:^^^^::^ :^^^:^^^:::^^^::::^::^^::::::^::^^:^^^::^:^^ ^^:^^^:^::^^:^:::^^:^^^:::::^^:^^^^^:^:^^^^^ :^^^:^^^:^^^^^::^^^^^:^::::^^^^^:::^^^^^:::: ^^:^^^:^^^:::^:^^:::^^^:::^^:::^::^^:::^:::: ^^^^:^^^:^::^^^^^::^^:^::^^^::^^:^^^::^^:::^ :::^^^:^^^:^^:::^:^^^^^:^^:^:^^^^^:^:^^^::^^ ::^^:^^^: ...too much output!
< 1380841823 673829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one only looks right if you have the right setup so the "words" wrap and line up vertically.
< 1380841875 888670 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1380841893 708494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which happens to work in irssi with 80 columns.)
< 1380841908 91750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my irssi setup anyway.
< 1380842028 933128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also these are all on the wiki, modulo some tweaking to make them work in irc)
< 1380842298 672035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, a . <-- it's actually a newline which fungot converts to a period
< 1380842299 395181 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or that... explicitly. you can debug just a portion of the screen, then do the complex probabilities work for qubit states?) work :)
< 1380842334 74850 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it didn't on the line ending with !
< 1380842336 95383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i don't think underload does quantum computing very efficiently yet.
< 1380842336 444296 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: which i think looks nicer for some things i dislike with plt code using `case-lambda'? you don't know
< 1380842398 633440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: no i mean, if you try print a newline from ^bf, fungot prints a period instead.
< 1380842399 52067 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: now i type fnord, not for me... except when the file is in one of them is the same
< 1380842413 379326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+to
< 1380842453 574665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and same with some other control characters.
< 1380842454 427491 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the question is: why did bt_gentext added a newline there
< 1380842480 842919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: because EgoBot includes the newline in the text fed to commands.
< 1380842541 283711 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as i said: it didn't on the other line ending with !
< 1380842570 922675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't found that line.
< 1380842606 34135 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:48:51 !bf_txtgen I gotta go. Good to see ya!
< 1380842729 647070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: yes it did, when that was run with fungot. with HackEgo it's invisible, though.
< 1380842730 24643 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or it doesn't. the macro section uses define-macro... that's all :(. well, if i can provide the whole language, actually
< 1380842746 728407 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo
< 1380842763 708090 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange bot stuff happening here
< 1380842826 982255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's simple: EgoBot's !bf_txtgen includes the newline. fungot's ^bf turns newlines into periods on output. HackEgo strips trailing newlines in its output.
< 1380842855 814629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, HackEgo turns internal newlines into " \ "
< 1380842862 140407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`yes
< 1380842863 976987 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y
< 1380842871 241013 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380842876 856288 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, "simple"
< 1380842905 833904 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1380842988 866664 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380843000 894968 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1380843194 442876 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380843363 240726 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380843386 802031 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380843434 176504 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone gonna suggest anything for my Tic-Tac-Toe language? Program form, maybe?
< 1380843474 714682 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nim
< 1380843502 93079 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: you could make a bf derivate depending on where the winning line is placed ;p
< 1380843536 619702 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the outer border could be some of the bf commands and center a nop?
< 1380843544 627500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :each tic you tac on a new toe
< 1380843567 21367 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wtf was that?
< 1380843616 129365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an Oerjan Wordplay™
< 1380843651 215718 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woerdjplayn
< 1380843658 950037 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You trademarked that? Then I will "strike back!
< 1380843679 745247 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :™
< 1380843721 844154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "striking like 'pataphysics
< 1380843729 141346 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you put the TM in the quotes. innovative
< 1380843732 311984 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am also in the quotes.
< 1380843766 799594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no you are not, i ended them.
< 1380843778 373977 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, true.
< 1380843780 574065 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messed up on that. Anyway, I don't want the program sizes to be really big, unlike all of my others. So, Pancake Stack™.
< 1380843782 244719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, we're in the single quotes. let's fix that'
< 1380843795 773189 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, in "'pataphysics" it's just part of the word
< 1380843801 5335 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW we're in single quotes. thanks jackass!!
< 1380843805 397051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O'KAY
< 1380843831 871565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ord )
< 1380843833 526596 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :41
< 1380843837 964933 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, easy! This is a family IRC!
< 1380843851 132977 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380843851 606348 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simpsons family, maybe
< 1380843865 245537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++[->++++++++<]>+[.]
< 1380843865 391008 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ...
< 1380843989 998762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we're a family IRC, we need to make a more child-friendly version of brainfuck. also this joke is not even new.
< 1380843997 794905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380844080 596178 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1380844083 868146 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1380844104 450442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i chased them away.
< 1380844116 989489 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy? you may have!!
< 1380844118 936007 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of shooting yourself in the foot, in COBOL, you put ARM.HAND.FINGER on COLT45HANDGUN.TRIGGER and SQUEEZE COLT45HANDGUN.TRIGGER
< 1380844136 745250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is btiggins when you need him.
< 1380844165 591316 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1380844197 282719 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, have we made more than one cobol guy in here
< 1380844226 296769 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no that was the same guy, right.
< 1380844244 773074 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's great about cobol?
< 1380844247 648968 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither.
< 1380844261 944128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's btiffin
< 1380844328 634538 :nooodl!~nooodl@26.136-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1380846178 864458 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_
< 1380847097 101637 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1380847877 178774 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380847984 231639 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1380848195 719804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380848758 854134 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.44 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1380849588 552056 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow we have a fizzie, a fizziev, and a fizziew
< 1380849631 885250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are fizzievp and fizzievpe next
< 1380849643 987051 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :an abundance of fizzie entities
< 1380849961 869348 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1380850069 645489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next will be the outsourced cnzzie version.
< 1380850917 761218 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie's non-union Canadian equivalent?
< 1380850925 367225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, Chinese
< 1380851111 409854 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no uszzie? poor us :(
< 1380851165 213084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about suzzie
< 1380851224 847455 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the root of all fizzies?
< 1380851245 234768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :suzzie disappeared back in the early nineties.
< 1380851339 398687 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any good alternate history fiction where the soviet union survives into the Internet age
< 1380851735 726492 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :suzzie q, i love you, suzzie q
< 1380851763 822253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically the soviet union _did_ survive into the Internet age.
< 1380851765 475996 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes, it's called "modern china"
< 1380851782 90180 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it collapsed within months of eternal september.
< 1380851804 490060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm (conveniently) defining "Internet age" as a time when the Internet is a pervasive part of everday life for a substantial fraction of all people
< 1380851821 96505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: how silly
< 1380851826 980798 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380852134 201257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm funny today is the anniversary of the end of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis
< 1380852156 379024 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380852182 349390 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always confuse that with the 1991 thing, because i'm dumb
< 1380852216 64246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was briefly wondering if quintopia had done so
< 1380852249 486587 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"because i'm dumb" :D
< 1380852259 351410 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow thanks myname??
< 1380852260 632116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although that's not how i found it, it's on wikipedia's On this day...)
< 1380852346 30900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 56 years since sputnik
< 1380853920 860106 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, kmc, I wanted to ask your opinion about an article?
< 1380853957 843060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1380853959 606778 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.eighty-twenty.org/index.cgi/tech/scheme/fexprs-remain-inscrutable-20110929.html
< 1380854011 947463 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Calling Kernel's Fexprs "trivial" doesn't seem quite right to me; perhaps calling them "inscrutable" would be a better fit.» uh?
< 1380854075 497303 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :point 1 is obvious, point 3 is interesting (saying that what should be an implementation detail of higher-order functions can get exposed)
< 1380854112 188799 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I take back point 1 being obvious. Just its conclusions about compilability
< 1380854128 639699 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :point 3 is mentioned in shutt's thesis, he cites some paper that mentioned basically the same problem in the 80s
< 1380854218 597793 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can dealwith it somewhat with ($define call (c . args) (apply c args)) and then using (call f ...) instead of (f ...)
< 1380854228 610456 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :problems with this left as an exercise to the chatter
< 1380854689 421581 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how you guys make more serious discussions about programming and the theory behind it than every other channel i know
< 1380854694 322556 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone else think it's crazy that "feedback" didn't exist as a concept before like a hundred years ago
< 1380855313 338121 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Concurrent ML any good? Reason I ask is I think Racket is sucking CML's di.. concurrency mechanisms
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< 1380855374 212699 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one suck a concurrency mechanism
< 1380855436 720124 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a lot of spit
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< 1380855812 502717 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey!
< 1380855838 499464 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What
< 1380855912 537362 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I meant Hi.
< 1380856005 99681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run WeLcOmE JWinslow23 | rev | rainwords
< 1380856008 700250 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :4).tEn.lAd.cRi 7nO 8CiReToSe# 9YrT 2,aCiReToSe 13fO 6DnIk 4rEhTo 7eHt 8rOf( 9.eGaP_NiAm/iKiW/GrO.SgNaLoSe//:pTtH 2:iKiW 13RuO 6TuO 4KcEhC 7,nOiTaMrOfNi 8eRoM 9RoF 2!tNeMyOlPeD 13DnA 6NgIsEd 4eGaUgNaL 7GnImMaRgOrP 8CiReToSe 9rOf 2bUh 13lAnOiTaNrEtNi 6eHt 4oT 7EmOcLeW 8:32wOlSnIwJ
< 1380856014 560000 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am still stuck on commands for my Tic-Tac-Toe esolang. Can you help?
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< 1380856078 424363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect this esolang will come to nought. just cross it out.
< 1380856090 328656 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should a command be? a move? a board? a full board?
< 1380856141 529327 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am thinking a move. But for that to work, we would need different commands on each space for each round.
< 1380856160 761003 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we don't want repeats.
< 1380856179 48438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do nim sums of tic-tac-toe games.
< 1380856195 429455 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run WeLcOmE EgoBot | rainwords
< 1380856198 564480 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :9EgObOt: 2WeLcOmE 13To 6tHe 4iNtErNaTiOnAl 7hUb 8fOr 9eSoTeRiC 2PrOgRaMmInG 13LaNgUaGe 6dEsIgN 4AnD 7DePlOyMeNt! 8FoR 9MoRe 2iNfOrMaTiOn, 13ChEcK 6OuT 4OuR 7WiKi: 8HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. 9(fOr 2tHe 13oThEr 6kInD 4Of 7eSoTeRiCa, 8TrY 9#eSoTeRiC 2On 13iRc.dAl.nEt.)
< 1380856268 959953 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what are nim ums?
< 1380856283 266883 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sums! Damn you auto correct! :)
< 1380856329 612106 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nim
< 1380856404 185055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nim sum of two games is where a player can choose which of the games to play at each step.
< 1380856455 632825 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That explanation was...confusing.
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< 1380856491 742976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it works best for games where there is no difference between the two players.
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< 1380856509 624581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially games resembling nim.
< 1380856566 641029 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every impartial game is equivalent to a nim heap of a certain size (Sprague-Grundy thm)
< 1380856593 770195 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how big would they be?
< 1380856595 802057 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think the idea of a tic tac toe esolang could be simpler than that
< 1380856610 927504 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should.
< 1380856642 745989 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1380856643 123915 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1380856688 411306 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is hackego secured?
< 1380856718 236406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: the size of the nim heap is less than the max number of moves remaining, i think.
< 1380856747 769296 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: lots of ways.
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< 1380856777 126607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it runs in an umlbox sandbox, for a start.
< 1380856778 87972 :JWinslow23_!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry I was out. Wha were we saying about my idea?
< 1380856869 870337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually have an idea about a tic-tac-toe esolang that would be interesting in the way i think of as interesting (i.e. with the tic-tac-toe tied to the _semantics_ of the esolang, rather than just its encoding or syntax).
< 1380856905 240999 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1380856921 847836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, which would be able to write interesting programs in that semantics.
< 1380856923 763773 :JWinslow23_!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we could do something like COBOL! (No, not that one.)
< 1380856966 323748 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you had generalized tic tac toe, and a program was a starting position. then the action of the program is somehow encoded in the perfect play after that position.
< 1380857002 13757 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: way too short imho
< 1380857015 303371 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1380857031 206741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did say generalized, i assume that means unbounded board
< 1380857036 238012 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1380857045 304505 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the name has to do with cheese and crackers, because pajama sam is my hero.
< 1380857066 155248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...okay.
< 1380857191 240920 :JWinslow23_!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1380857214 937175 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't make the rules, oerjan; i just enforce them. and the rule here is clear.
< 1380857222 910293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1380858089 15447 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist
< 1380858091 91577 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
< 1380858115 855160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should find a UML 0-day
< 1380858129 179783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, maybe buy one, gotta be cheap
< 1380858229 253783 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1380859240 64161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :htf is it 6am already
< 1380859270 563027 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a bit unfamiliar with the lack of hths here
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< 1380861370 98351 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function
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< 1380869520 845908 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1380869570 537879 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist happenings including the law against a controlled rage, and a hopeful fork
< 1380869574 869405 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist happenings including the law against a controlled rage, and a hopeful fork: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
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< 1380874031 757216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, talking about C corner cases, here's one I found in mingw, and now I don't know whether it's correct or not
< 1380874037 468260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define STIRINGIFY(x) #x
< 1380874054 479519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(void) {puts(STRINGIFY(a\r)); return 0;}
< 1380874065 935954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in mingw, it prints "a" then a carriage return
< 1380874094 106349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, backslashes are escaped correctly if they appeared in any context that would be syntactically legal if it weren't a macro argument…
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< 1380874312 604804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog tunes.org/~
< 1380874325 352503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that the "past" is needed atm...)
< 1380874345 442474 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
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< 1380874392 728258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog tunes.org/~
< 1380874409 444451 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007-04-29.txt:18:42:07: -!- ihope_ has quit ("http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/06.08.09").
< 1380874567 271388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :fnord, offset fnord (with no evidence) | PDF while supplies last: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | this space intentionally left right
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< 1380881119 140721 :ais523_!93bcc345@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, Ubuntu's login prompt is really really dangerous from a security point of view
< 1380881131 963188 :ais523_!93bcc345@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prefills the username and asks you to type the password
< 1380881161 843464 :ais523_!93bcc345@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you get into the habit of just writing the password without the username first, meaning you can accidentally type it into an echoing field whenever you use a different system
< 1380881226 910681 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting idea
< 1380882377 898254 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, thus rendering you vulnerable to people-staring-over-your-shoulder attacks
< 1380882404 89226 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget vnc and webcams
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< 1380882787 518610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of webcam is pointed at your own screen
< 1380882826 781778 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one of the hackers, obviously
< 1380883234 229809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: reflections in your eye.
< 1380883258 181373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You just rectangle-select it and say "enhance".)
< 1380883287 667122 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAAAAAAAAAH
< 1380883336 933909 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that's why I always squint when typing my password in
< 1380883368 641196 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, you could use text-mode login that doesm't display anything when writing pass
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< 1380883410 892252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written my password on the input line of this IRC client due to "I'm sure this computer is xlock'd but I don't want to bother waiting for the screen to wake up before typing in the password". (Though I take care to not press enter before actually seeing the dialog.)
< 1380883426 539816 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if you accidentally type it as username?
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< 1380888316 174220 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help
< 1380888318 609437 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1380888324 279319 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm laughing at my own joke and I can't stop
< 1380888331 46632 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that happens
< 1380888338 417640 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds funny
< 1380888341 808085 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind sharing?
< 1380888359 602195 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone posted on Facebook, "yay making friends"
< 1380888379 742084 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I replied, "Making friends is the best.", followed by, "The only bit I find difficult is attaching the arms."
< 1380888441 415241 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that almost makes me wish I had a facebook account
< 1380888470 660811 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380888487 13259 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite though
< 1380888502 705881 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not funny enough to motivate getting an account
< 1380888542 454913 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, a joke would have to be pretty dang funny to motivate such a horrible thing wouldn't it
< 1380888967 782076 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1380889183 995126 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1380889481 291987 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1380889783 525937 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380890297 22545 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380890751 303894 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1380890810 295093 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to double a cube with the power of origami?
< 1380890970 129273 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently so
< 1380891003 220333 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know
< 1380891012 794036 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380891118 582333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double the cube, double the fun.
< 1380891622 157006 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380891704 127503 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1380892313 734753 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380892389 921384 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380892472 265623 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.44 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1380892991 553718 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1380893129 123029 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380894247 472466 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good sorry-for-the-sudden-metar morning!
< 1380894250 163956 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL
< 1380894250 766926 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 041300Z 05013KT 30SM BKN080 BKN210 15/08 A3014 RMK AC6CI1 SLP205
< 1380894373 542162 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1380895999 675715 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380896020 605766 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380896094 910484 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1380896109 345808 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380896129 25978 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1380896235 210059 :carado_!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380896255 876162 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1380896348 597132 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from now on, I have glorious blue cherries under my fingers :D
< 1380896791 336860 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1380898064 547808 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1380898096 879307 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380898112 319200 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380898273 411603 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1380898480 648982 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380898894 339487 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380898941 455202 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Happy CB Radio Day!
< 1380898945 654918 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :193 ++++++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++>++>+++++<<<<-]>>++.<-.+++++++++++++++..+++++++++.>>++++.>---.-.<.<++++++++++.+++++++++++++++.+++.+++++.++++++.>.>++.<<--------------.<.>>+.-----------------------. [148]
< 1380898981 195889 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1380899037 563072 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: CB radio day?
< 1380899046 58958 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10-4?
< 1380899050 164238 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1380899051 239165 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1380899073 35921 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, the time is also 10-4!
< 1380899081 133488 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is?
< 1380899082 394935 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime JWinslow23
< 1380899083 248233 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for JWinslow23 is Fri Oct 04 10:04:42 2013
< 1380899085 875132 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where be you?
< 1380899087 210470 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, 10:04
< 1380899097 169273 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: can I ask him the The Question?
< 1380899103 699999 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: go ahead
< 1380899104 401973 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Question?
< 1380899116 73312 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: what are your approximate cördinates, and body weigh?
< 1380899122 384230 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. missed a o.
< 1380899128 322130 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coördinates, says I.
< 1380899136 675162 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I still need to get used to that shiny keyboard.)
< 1380899138 89233 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea, but somewhere in Wisconsin. I weigh about 110 pounds.
< 1380899144 18061 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks!
< 1380899222 505634 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: you a CB radio user?
< 1380899244 8259 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I always her 10-4 on walkie talkies.
< 1380899264 49320 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hear! DYAC!
< 1380899278 94611 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang you auto correct!
< 1380899284 218203 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on phone?
< 1380899302 373937 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes use walkie-talkies. Not cell phones.
< 1380899306 227604 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastewisdom
< 1380899311 134690 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/
< 1380899337 116787 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean are you using IRC on a phone
< 1380899352 328747 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, on a school computer.
< 1380899367 308935 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :school computer has autocorrect? O_o
< 1380899377 714708 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run Welcome RaidoUsers
< 1380899383 380206 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: Welcome: command not found
< 1380899395 889764 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run WeLcOmE RadioUsers
< 1380899400 709377 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :RaDiOuSeRs: WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.)
< 1380899435 513259 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1380899448 960868 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380899589 821654 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :School computer has no autocorrect, I just joked about that.
< 1380899600 149083 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honest mistake!
< 1380899689 628411 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So...
< 1380899713 975583 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have an idea for my Tic-Tac-Toe language.
< 1380899715 462152 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan you stealth quoted me 4 days ago!
< 1380899715 607947 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1380899726 965884 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: is it recursive?
< 1380899729 936597 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help
< 1380899730 193213 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands
< 1380899734 959014 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list
< 1380899735 104938 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas.
< 1380899741 20330 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@listmodules
< 1380899741 165864 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :activity base bf check compose dice dict djinn dummy elite eval filter free fresh haddock help hoogle instances irc karma localtime more oeis offlineRC pl pointful poll pretty quote search slap
< 1380899741 166058 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :source spell system tell ticker todo topic type undo unlambda unmtl version where
< 1380899772 250187 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boily: I don't THINK so.
< 1380899784 779397 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The center square and winning move are NOPs.
< 1380899795 994972 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All other squares are commands.
< 1380899802 1601 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still figuring out that they are.
< 1380899810 626583 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't want another BF derivative!
< 1380899825 131229 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I meant "what they are".
< 1380900664 528618 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help poll
< 1380900664 666935 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll provides: poll-list poll-show poll-add choice-add vote poll-result poll-close poll-remove
< 1380900683 642305 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help poll-add
< 1380900684 77357 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll-add Adds a new poll, with no candidates
< 1380900705 699732 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-add Should I go on with my Tic Tac Toe idea?
< 1380900706 74647 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :usage: @poll-add with "ThisTopic" style names
< 1380900722 226280 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-add ShouldIusemyTicTacToeidea
< 1380900722 371784 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Added new poll: "ShouldIusemyTicTacToeidea"
< 1380900731 994603 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help choice-add
< 1380900732 140692 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :choice-add Adds a new choice to the given poll
< 1380900749 392770 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add ShouldIusemyTicTacToeidea Yes
< 1380900749 538231 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :New candidate "Yes", added to poll "ShouldIusemyTicTacToeidea".
< 1380900757 650854 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add ShouldIusemyTicTacToeidea No
< 1380900757 796221 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :New candidate "No", added to poll "ShouldIusemyTicTacToeidea".
< 1380900771 681633 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add ShouldIusemyTicTacToeidea Maybe?
< 1380900771 909605 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :New candidate "Maybe?", added to poll "ShouldIusemyTicTacToeidea".
< 1380900781 227657 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help vote
< 1380900781 403241 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :vote Vote for in
< 1380900875 211781 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380900893 894020 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run WeLcOmE conehead | rainwords
< 1380900897 341391 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :7CoNeHeAd: 8WeLcOmE 9To 2tHe 13iNtErNaTiOnAl 6hUb 4fOr 7eSoTeRiC 8PrOgRaMmInG 9LaNgUaGe 2dEsIgN 13AnD 6DePlOyMeNt! 4FoR 7MoRe 8iNfOrMaTiOn, 9ChEcK 2OuT 13OuR 6WiKi: 4HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. 7(fOr 8tHe 9oThEr 2kInD 13Of 6eSoTeRiCa, 4TrY 7#eSoTeRiC 8On 9iRc.dAl.nEt.)
< 1380900929 454863 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear lord this is the best welcome to date
< 1380900992 141314 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1380901027 887522 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1380901285 896951 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1380901288 297667 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1380901294 23893 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a good welcome.
< 1380901311 807328 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1380901417 321598 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1380901422 957371 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got three welcomes, and that wasn't one.
< 1380901424 210285 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sobs.
< 1380901460 355261 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run WeLcOmE shikhin | rainwords
< 1380901463 554775 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :9ShIkHiN: 2wElCoMe 13tO 6ThE 4InTeRnAtIoNaL 7HuB 8FoR 9EsOtErIc 2pRoGrAmMiNg 13lAnGuAgE 6DeSiGn 4aNd 7dEpLoYmEnT! 8fOr 9mOrE 2InFoRmAtIoN, 13cHeCk 6oUt 4oUr 7wIkI: 8hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. 9(FoR 2ThE 13OtHeR 6KiNd 4oF 7EsOtErIcA, 8tRy 9#EsOtErIc 2oN 13IrC.DaL.NeT.)
< 1380901468 289105 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yayy!
< 1380901474 853411 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run WeLcOmE shikhin | rainwords | tac
< 1380901477 868192 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ \ 7ShIkHiN: 8wElCoMe 9tO 2ThE 13InTeRnAtIoNaL 6HuB 4FoR 7EsOtErIc 8pRoGrAmMiNg 9lAnGuAgE 2DeSiGn 13aNd 6dEpLoYmEnT! 4fOr 7mOrE 8InFoRmAtIoN, 9cHeCk 2oUt 13oUr 6wIkI: 4hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. 7(FoR 8ThE 9OtHeR 2KiNd 13oF 6EsOtErIcA, 4tRy 7#EsOtErIc 8oN 9IrC.DaL.NeT.)
< 1380901497 199378 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run WeLcOmE shikhin | tac | rainwords
< 1380901500 653923 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ 6ShIkHiN: 4wElCoMe 7tO 8ThE 9InTeRnAtIoNaL 2HuB 13FoR 6EsOtErIc 4pRoGrAmMiNg 7lAnGuAgE 8DeSiGn 9aNd 2dEpLoYmEnT! 13fOr 6mOrE 4InFoRmAtIoN, 7cHeCk 8oUt 9oUr 2wIkI: 13hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. 6(FoR 4ThE 7OtHeR 8KiNd 9oF 2EsOtErIcA, 13tRy 6#EsOtErIc 4oN 7IrC.DaL.NeT.)
< 1380901524 320763 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks tac in the... hmm... does a unix command have reproduction organs?
< 1380901536 712106 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, stdrepro
< 1380901605 542534 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste bin/WeLcOmE
< 1380901608 956333 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/WeLcOmE
< 1380901683 458089 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, interesting. still written in py
< 1380901703 539019 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I though someone would've rewritten it in perl by now
< 1380901773 882658 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a python interpreter written in perl.
< 1380901820 80616 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, not gonna do that
< 1380901829 6808 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not over hackego
< 1380902211 885014 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1380902219 328822 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yield to the Asinine and Useless side of the Programming. let free your sanity inhibitions!
< 1380902336 308435 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380902343 771358 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sanity inhobitions I've let free when I wrote python program that had no statements, only expressions
< 1380902368 282139 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but writing a perl program over hackego would just be too much of a pita
< 1380902389 341451 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, unless I figure out how to nicely simulate ed, that is
< 1380902409 623252 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you know what to do. let the yaks roam and be shaved!
< 1380902462 382146 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I do
< 1380902475 44933 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd just not scale to multi-user
< 1380902620 179582 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1380903123 139033 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1380903568 803209 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? scapegoat
< 1380903570 801995 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :scapegoat? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1380903596 853574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, the @ of version control
< 1380904115 359006 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1380904119 739663 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380904586 739481 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380906109 613484 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 241 seconds
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< 1380907267 25223 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1380908046 752689 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words
< 1380908051 55986 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :dill
< 1380908127 545018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's too dilly.
< 1380908133 694913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finnish 1
< 1380908135 976090 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahananne
< 1380908147 77490 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --estonian
< 1380908148 909410 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: estonian
< 1380908160 239047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --list
< 1380908162 965771 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :valid datasets: --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --french --german --hebrew --russian --spanish --irish --german-medical --bulgarian --catalan --swedish --brazilian --canadian-english-insane --manx --italian --ogerman --portuguese --polish --gaelic --finnish --norwegian --esolangs \ default: --eng-1M
< 1380908181 460502 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --esolangs
< 1380908183 469176 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sartre
< 1380908187 349725 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1380908194 254725 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380908196 602503 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1380908205 3084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --swedish --finnish 10 # let's get some of that Swedo-Finnish stuff going
< 1380908207 401568 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :telsertapa sellistenemanan banansarskeiskys fixeri aukebatalat konaivuamiintron asigniner tempiltimurkes vacks sum
< 1380908256 324093 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that like run a markov thingy on a mix of swedish and finnish data?
< 1380908326 620980 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1380908349 259098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a character... trigram? 4-gram? Something like that, I forget exactly.
< 1380908356 170851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you specify multiple options, it just interpolates.
< 1380908376 785518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As in, sums the frequencies.)
< 1380908394 981532 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah, ogerman is probably o-german, not oger-man
< 1380908450 274263 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it weighted by the size of the input sets? I imagine --esolangs --x would not be very esolangy otherwise
< 1380908478 235746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think all the models are normalized, but not sure.
< 1380908509 64732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --eng-1M --esolangs 15
< 1380908513 676958 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :whailyletornentallyido ado dup lazzo ora son guo wierding befear sho affic miscudal yllangi abn evill
< 1380908528 851370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's not conclusive, but it looks quite esolangy.
< 1380908547 265718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And whailyletornentallyido is probably quite a nice language.)
< 1380908619 868823 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :dup is an esolang, isn't it? and befear is probably from befunge +/- some letters
< 1380908749 425306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dupdog is. Apparently DUP is, too.
< 1380908749 923547 :updog!~updog@192.210.145.119 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's updog?
< 1380908813 203514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was sort of expecting befear to actually exist, but seems that there's just Befreak.
< 1380908869 495112 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :begrunge, a nirvana-based esolang
< 1380909182 643727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Begrudge, a language where the implementation runs your program but isn't happy about it at all.
< 1380909399 251148 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds a little like INTERCAL
< 1380909489 16108 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1380909639 671775 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
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< 1380909928 358758 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting
< 1380909942 171949 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380910106 248115 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380910627 905139 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1380910637 799594 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to get to the semifinal without actually winning a match
< 1380910717 423826 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what competition?
< 1380910726 921632 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1380910798 598734 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: writing an AI for a Battleships-like game to run on a RaspberryPi
< 1380910806 252375 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1380910868 330976 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost actually got to the final without winning a match
< 1380910874 59989 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how?
< 1380910888 337510 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My opponent almost got disqualified for misentering twice
< 1380910900 918016 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1380910907 17216 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saved him out of the kindness in my heart
< 1380910929 784494 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the fact that if I managed to get to the final without winning I'd feel really unfulfilled
< 1380911437 587333 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380911573 495757 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, oi, start a succession fort
< 1380911618 621055 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I can't right now on account of the only computer I have access to which I am willing to install software on is a Raspberry Pi
< 1380911629 361506 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And tomorrow is Freshers' Fair
< 1380911633 540157 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe tomorrow evening
< 1380911653 159110 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn you
< 1380911679 627828 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does freshers work in universities that actually have a week for it
< 1380911743 129759 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, you have a week to get settled in with stuff like "This practical is where you learn to turn on a computer"
< 1380911755 846237 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then for one day all the societies try to get you to join them
< 1380911762 92875 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then it's over
< 1380911825 705697 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that does just sound like the first week at warwick
< 1380911842 206849 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the societies all try and get you to join on tuesday through thursday
< 1380912964 150676 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone suggestions for naming my hardware in general or my new mini root in detail?
< 1380912986 681845 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rhizobia
< 1380913020 872793 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1380913030 292782 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A name.
< 1380913048 505562 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does it come frome?
< 1380913110 371851 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1380913314 174569 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1380913450 715834 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, it's one of the nitrogen-fixing bacteria in plants or something
< 1380913634 708737 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380915328 575174 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380915594 192816 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :driyoyleujiy
< 1380915754 542522 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380916047 839216 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally out of formation.
< 1380916062 192515 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuuuuuuuurgh... that was long. but now, I understand enterprisey stuff!
< 1380916089 178534 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray, apparently
< 1380916125 140783 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah.
< 1380916136 736645 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm feeling dizzy on so many levels it's not funny.
< 1380916139 873843 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :woe, apparently
< 1380916163 217014 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the woe is amply felt, and I'm confused as ever about manufacturing processes.
< 1380916520 308390 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 pung
< 1380916522 630607 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :chat
< 1380916603 516129 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, that means scrotum
< 1380916623 10887 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the second definition on urban dictionary about pung.
< 1380917149 739353 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1380918576 588882 :driyoyleujiy!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1380919251 589973 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380919908 238605 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380919935 294141 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy CB Radio Day!
< 1380920035 500453 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some day, I'll get an amateur radio license...
< 1380920040 661454 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dreamily looks in the sky
< 1380920081 299956 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the license in the sy or just the radio waves
< 1380920208 718161 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :license in the sky with radio waaaaves ♪
< 1380920751 647592 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* JWinslow23 doesn't give a BF
< 1380920772 658052 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1380920901 643859 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1380921001 212834 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380921322 352177 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new swearing idiom, after the Fungottian Conjugations, “to give a BF”.
< 1380921451 313475 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was mine!
< 1380921538 113841 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn JWinslow23 is a Wisconsinite who doesn't give a BF.
< 1380921553 179826 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1380921762 509231 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1380921762 821356 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1380921786 920232 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: probably poulet tonight. maybe. but don't bet on it.
< 1380921789 736040 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1380921796 725174 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run JWinslow23
< 1380921798 83046 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: JWinslow23: command not found
< 1380921806 942031 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno your syntax.
< 1380921847 729135 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a shell
< 1380921851 679294 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo JWinslow23
< 1380921853 113323 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23
< 1380922086 970521 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo %JWinslow23%
< 1380922088 367421 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :%JWinslow23%
< 1380922105 864729 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run it
< 1380922108 346264 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1380922111 140975 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1380922123 158617 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`If you're happy and you know it, SYNTAX ERROR!
< 1380922125 154984 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: If: not found
< 1380922136 102068 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-
< 1380922141 219776 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will improve that.
< 1380922154 769354 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`If you're happy and you know it, /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: If: not found
< 1380922156 296994 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: If: not found
< 1380922164 510350 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`If you're happy and you know it, /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: If: not found
< 1380922166 377459 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: If: not found
< 1380922182 363457 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`If you're happy and you know it, then your face will surely show it, if you're happy and you know it, /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: If: not found
< 1380922183 578427 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: If: not found
< 1380922194 883526 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good, right?
< 1380922314 168680 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1380922722 285073 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Quit "Something went wrong."
< 1380922728 720705 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Quit "Something went wrong."]
< 1380922731 744815 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1380922748 483861 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1380922866 911958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: something's wrong.
< 1380922877 631790 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: an error occurred
< 1380923243 935979 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone make a clever `? telling people to experiment with the bots in /query
< 1380923308 353826 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing irc in private sounds ultimately boring
< 1380923363 413854 :alone!~dev@78.179.164.134 QUIT :Quit: Pislik Script ! with Self clearing virus System! Download it at 9www.PislikleR.com
< 1380923406 124333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember HL engine games that would crash with "Error: no error"
< 1380923417 551272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Linux equivalent is usually "Error: Success"
< 1380924077 143658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380924188 823299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud
< 1380924189 6606 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 6h 47m 53s ago: you stealth quoted me 4 days ago!
< 1380924211 297547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily i don't recall there being anything stealthy about it.
< 1380924211 442991 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1380924228 812154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run allquotes | tail -4
< 1380924230 841979 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1112) It is probably also "horrifyingly fucked up" \ 1113) aaaaaurgh. you're making me think on a Monday! that shouldn't be happening! \ 1114) what did fungot say? kmc: my implementation isn't supposed to sound rude. \ 1115) BBC: Exercise 'can be as good as pills' oh, they mean for your health
< 1380924562 741521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor ais523 evicted your logs from the topic, you might want to fix them.
< 1380924562 887256 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1380924876 600453 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1380925306 169301 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380925552 281649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : school computer has autocorrect? O_o <-- it's so the pupils will get used to computers being maddenly annoying.
< 1380925791 984773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily also, you are still confusing tac and rev
< 1380925792 130299 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1380925869 439818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run WeLcOmE | wc
< 1380925872 858924 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 30 234
< 1380925882 896759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome | wc
< 1380925885 443411 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 30 233
< 1380925898 408842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/WeLcOmE
< 1380925900 286 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ welcome "$@" | CaT
< 1380925915 513715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/CaT
< 1380925917 45384 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/env python \ print (lambda s: "".join([(s[i].upper() if i%2==0 else s[i].lower()) for i in range(len(s)) ]))(open("/dev/stdin").read())
< 1380925922 271428 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always mix them up, too
< 1380925953 403553 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is tac the one that reverses order of lines?
< 1380925958 588372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1380925969 229183 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, good, hopefully I'll remember that
< 1380925969 374553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the python for printing without a newline?
< 1380926052 733642 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good question. Unfortunately I don't know python
< 1380926059 592273 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :add an extra comma at the end
< 1380926069 495752 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in ... basic?
< 1380926146 174283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i think that's perl, not python
< 1380926164 521700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/493386/how-to-print-in-python-without-newline-or-space
< 1380926194 238401 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so comma adds a space instead of newline?
< 1380926218 489972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm...
< 1380926341 899473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i -e '1aimport sys' -e 's/print/sys.write/' bin/CaT #Let's see how much i messed this up
< 1380926346 187142 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1380926354 116646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/CaT
< 1380926355 197523 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys \ sys.write (lambda s: "".join([(s[i].upper() if i%2==0 else s[i].lower()) for i in range(len(s)) ]))(open("/dev/stdin").read())
< 1380926372 962788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run WeLcOmE | wc
< 1380926376 267094 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/CaT", line 3, in \ sys.write (lambda s: "".join([(s[i].upper() if i%2==0 else s[i].lower()) for i in range(len(s)) ]))(open("/dev/stdin").read()) \ AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'write' \ 0 0 0
< 1380926384 61922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1380926390 528177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1380926407 744983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/write/stdout.write/' bin/CaT
< 1380926412 74589 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1380926415 514366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run WeLcOmE | wc
< 1380926418 380461 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/CaT", line 3, in \ sys.stdout.write (lambda s: "".join([(s[i].upper() if i%2==0 else s[i].lower()) for i in range(len(s)) ]))(open("/dev/stdin").read()) \ TypeError: must be string or read-only character buffer, not function \ 0 0 0
< 1380926446 867653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats python -----###
< 1380926515 480211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/write /write (/;s/read(/read()/' bin/CaT
< 1380926519 328527 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1380926522 746875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run WeLcOmE | wc
< 1380926525 471164 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 30 233
< 1380926531 851458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run WeLcOmE
< 1380926534 582339 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.)
< 1380926541 848269 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380926659 281408 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1380926669 95264 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan!
< 1380926672 291155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mu
< 1380926676 435667 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering
< 1380926692 599878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's dangerous!
< 1380926792 538663 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cosider a class of programs in which every program P can, given the right integer as input, output the listing of any other program in this class
< 1380926794 370312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: also what happened to your webside, we had to link Spiral to Wayback.
< 1380926800 635936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*site
< 1380926858 36151 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it make sense to talk about the maximal such class?
< 1380926874 224459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1380926876 698363 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lost it when i stopped paying for it
< 1380926935 630426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is clearly a program which ignores its input and prints itself (i.e. an ordinary quine). it cannot be extended, and there are many such, so "the" cannot apply.
< 1380926969 530450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its single-program class cannot be extended
< 1380927127 83030 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1380927132 185996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh the set of programs that can print _anything_ given an integer as input is such a class, i should think. although it might still be extendable.
< 1380927133 757180 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximum then
< 1380927150 776693 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i would expect the most inclusive such class
< 1380927156 141015 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :to contain cat at least
< 1380927162 708513 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1380927165 732852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the "the" that's the problem, not the "maximal" :P
< 1380927169 610342 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the most inclusive class
< 1380927174 848072 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric : even computable?
< 1380927199 863665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obviously non-existent. just make two programs that can print anything, except each other.
< 1380927212 409727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one should you include?
< 1380927269 595519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always find a maximal class, using zorn's lemma on the class you start with. (you might even be able to tweak it to be constructive to list.)
< 1380927321 878105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, cannot be constructive/computable, it will be undecidable whether a program can be added to the class.
< 1380927356 593410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you cannot check whether a program can print a given other program.
< 1380927412 808705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you start out with a class that is artificial limited to only decidable programs as the common output
< 1380927418 302600 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone sent a tombstone to the creators of COBOL in 1960! http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/X572.85
< 1380927429 880551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ally
< 1380927441 555897 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what if you throw an equivalence relation over your programs
< 1380927451 89313 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if they do the same thing, they're the same program"
< 1380927466 260459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen__: that's not going to _help_ decidability.
< 1380927467 529800 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then reprensent every equivalency class by a decidable program
< 1380927511 204399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen__: there are probably programs that have no decidable equivalent programs.
< 1380927542 484033 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in the set of programs that print listings of other programs of the class given integers as input?
< 1380927566 715201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh brain
< 1380927601 274516 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every program is equivalent to the sequence (output(n))_(n\inN)
< 1380927636 140784 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely you can make a decidable program matching that sequence?
< 1380927651 815118 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not
< 1380927673 886508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um those programs don't match quintopia's initial problem afaict
< 1380927715 466079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you can make decidable programs for a simple example. the problem is coming up with anything interesting where you can decide for _all_ the members.
< 1380927940 605408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, you can write any old HTML/CSS/JS in jsfiddle and then immediately download it as a Firefox OS mobile app
< 1380928350 987435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 pungdjur
< 1380928352 651589 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :chatqwhe
< 1380928361 336481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :disappointing
< 1380928363 826613 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's the proof that it's impossible to prove an as-inclusive-as-possible maximal set is maximal
< 1380928368 681685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 pungdyr
< 1380928370 351800 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :chatqle
< 1380928441 479369 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 djur
< 1380928443 212785 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwhe
< 1380928454 194429 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 dongs
< 1380928455 801772 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :qbatf
< 1380928473 528687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i don't know, but i am saying you have to construct your maximal set very carefully to ensure no undecidable-whether-you-can-add-them candidates arise
< 1380928491 564562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it might very well be impossible to do so.
< 1380928506 735399 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what situation would it become undecidable whether you can add them
< 1380928547 169354 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380928598 86849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if all the programs already printed are capable of printing a program whose halting problem is undecidable, and if it does halt the part after the loop belongs to the class...
< 1380928608 995910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*already included
< 1380928630 510541 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1380928659 64613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's just the simplest context i could think of
< 1380928702 881070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also have programs at some point for which it is undecidable whether they can print a given other progra¨m
< 1380928822 85742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you try to include only programs for which such things are decidable, then it may not be maximal in the original sense because there would always be a program with undecidability issues that _could_ be added.
< 1380928851 549400 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does this mean the existence of an as-inclusive-as-possible such class is undecidable?
< 1380928912 894910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not claiming to have any proof.
< 1380928970 758209 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :class of what now
< 1380928973 992266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an added problem is that you have not defined "as-inclusive-as-possible"
< 1380928984 11376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: we have logs.
< 1380928998 985101 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not gregor's, i note
< 1380929018 896072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ais523 removed them. the .txt version still works.
< 1380929043 872880 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are they removed
< 1380929048 119374 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the class of computable enumerations? hm
< 1380929057 925113 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't "A is as-inclusive-as-possible" mean "there is no set B (fitting the same criteria )
< 1380929067 106862 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :such that A is included in B"?
< 1380929079 528451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ask ais523, but my guess is because the link leads to a date listing page where the most prominent links _don't_ work.
< 1380929099 721205 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i have been the most active Gregor-complainer during the crisis
< 1380929101 637868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen__: no, that's "maximal".
< 1380929170 550392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand quintopia to mean something else by "as-inclusive-as-possible", something that excludes my example above of every quine forming a single-element maximal class.
< 1380929209 462458 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quines take input now?
< 1380929226 59177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen__: no, they ignore it.
< 1380929226 248305 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ignore it
< 1380929229 855446 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was trying to be funny. sorry)
< 1380929239 564517 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :jokes are disallowed in this space-time vector
< 1380929249 452746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since there are obviously subsets of programs that exclude each other, the concept of "inclusive" seems _very_ vague to me.
< 1380929263 492623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to include something, you have to exclude something else.
< 1380929299 600863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in what sense is whatever you include then "inclusive" if that's to mean something other than maximal.
< 1380929315 533475 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't know how to define it. i suppose the one you get by starting with all quines, then modifying them so they can all print each other
< 1380929406 932202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i suspect a horrible mess of possible alternative definitions.
< 1380929661 838882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i never notice the log problem personally because my habit is to just bring up the last .txt link on the address line and edit the date.
< 1380929674 135301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bar
< 1380929690 734251 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.44 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380929716 874280 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kinda like the formatting
< 1380929736 679944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot stand the font size
< 1380929736 842995 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p4FDCCED5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]
< 1380929747 799270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fine if i zoom out.
< 1380929755 592915 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... i think it's the same size as the .txt for me.
< 1380929863 754884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, i may have to set the font size instead, i recall one of the options causes horrible wrapping.
< 1380929872 543809 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1380929877 455950 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hineb
< 1380929898 381238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, the messages gets wrapped to right below the corresponding nick, iirc)
< 1380929902 426459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*get
< 1380929963 456455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, since .txt from the address bar means less tweaking, i use that.
< 1380930010 687367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well except in some cases, when the .txt gets horribly broken and i switch to the formatted version.
< 1380930018 217981 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380930031 987693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right-to-left stuff sometimes does that.
< 1380930071 840496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it affects the whole _rest_ of the file after it.)
< 1380930174 443945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish Gregor would set the encoding on the .txt file, for some reason IE 10 hides the option to select utf-8 if it hasn't autodetected it deeply in a horribly long list of charset options.
< 1380930205 861883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo, fuck IE
< 1380930210 597223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(old IE 8 had utf-8 conveniently placed.)
< 1380930274 276950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have "codepage 65001"
< 1380930281 605071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you're so predictable. also, does whatever you use have changing a wrongly detected encoding in a convenient place?
< 1380930332 156235 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah both Chrome and Firefox make that convenient
< 1380930346 408819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that you can introduce security holes by convincing users to change the character encoding (or tricking the browser)
< 1380930372 144166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i don't see 65001 on the list.
< 1380930378 67210 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1380930392 704815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly the list isn't _that_ long, but utf-8 isn't on the first page.
< 1380930393 919024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm OK with being predictable
< 1380931106 608582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With Silk Road shut down, developers are finding it hard to do a rolling deploy" -- Hacker News Onion
< 1380931128 149335 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha i get it, it's about "blunts"
< 1380931132 444966 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you ok with being decidable?
< 1380931148 15327 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so close yet
< 1380931162 520260 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is me and every drug joke. right here. the platonic bike reaction.
< 1380931178 205112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen__: the alternative is having unbounded state, which seems more terrifying
< 1380931232 282361 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you live a continuous life you'll probably endure an uncountable infinity of states
< 1380931241 22155 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :big if.
< 1380931320 60875 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i for one pride myself on living moment to moment.
< 1380931493 101628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol continuum is a lie
< 1380931624 358650 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, don't Zeno's paradoxes pretty much state "both time and distance are neither discrete nor continuous"?
< 1380931725 487338 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of what i get out of zeno is "dang, calculus is nice"
< 1380931765 354421 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Achilles and the Tortoise is a bit silly
< 1380931774 376166 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, goodnight
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< 1380934718 894108 :dan200!~LewlLol@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v
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< 1380938124 610287 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen__
< 1380939694 555231 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Racket thinks I'm a consenting adult
< 1380939733 903210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...?
< 1380939845 561265 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like not letting me force code that calls raise to continue after the raise unless the code itself supports it
< 1380939897 134995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you and Racket have a safeword
< 1380939940 77140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just forgotten to use the unsafeWord
< 1380940711 623964 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380940752 166206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I replaced the power supply and now this computer works.
< 1380940851 521525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, this power supply has three lights labeled "A", "S", "T", and a red button below them. The "A" light is lit blue. Do you know what this means?
< 1380940977 5529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's abstract, but not syntax or a tree.
< 1380941896 65651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if you press the button
< 1380942025 241756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't push it yet.
< 1380942359 571460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1380942362 116237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you ought to
< 1380942553 777557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, what if "A" is for "atomic"
< 1380942776 820288 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: did that fix the noise as well
< 1380942816 467370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Installing the new power supply fix the noise and everything else that was going wrong.
< 1380942910 819598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now in this Dungeons&Dragons game I have to find some leader of some resistance against Aberration Hater (which runs over the entire city they are in) in order to rescue someone from being imprisoned, but it is difficult to find and I will need some advisor helping with it and will need a boat and there are other problems too
< 1380943030 786245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the boat for
< 1380943063 784166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can travel by water or by land, but there is another war going on in the land; a boat might be better way.
< 1380943076 100778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it isn't strictly necessary but I expect it to help.
< 1380943158 681126 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some dwarf came in to say we finish our quest and gave us three horses and a silver ring; another wizard said he didn't trust him. Maybe that is correct; maybe he trained the horses wrong on purpose or something; I don't know.
< 1380943324 442316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about this resistance and imprisonment due to some kind of hallucination when trying to escape out of the demon's castle, it interrupted the escape and then the voice of my character's father's friend said some things, I tried to write it down but found only seaweed to write it on and only white ink to write with; but later on I found that it was actually written on paper, not seaweed, and with black ink, not white ink. If he is who he said
< 1380943328 248012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might help.
< 1380943344 469407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops did I send this message wrong? Did it get cut off?
< 1380943366 479795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I got a ":cameron.freenode.net 421 zzo38 in :Unknown command" even though I typed no such command)
< 1380943494 9012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it cut off after "If he is who he said"
< 1380943514 941828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he is who he said he is, then I suppose my character's father's friend is a speaker in dreams.
< 1380943527 876242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did I get that error message?
< 1380943547 799713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is a single-threaded IRC client)
< 1380943562 933250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: perhaps you wrote the rest as a raw message?
< 1380943594 464403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the part after what was cut off
< 1380943613 230457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I didn't; I wrote it all on one line before pushing the carriage return key, and then it came up this error message.
< 1380943758 626634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well afaiu "in" is the command that was unknown.
< 1380943777 709981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I can see that too
< 1380943805 565712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the "in dreams." overflowed a buffer and got sent raw?
< 1380943809 650373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :("in" doesn't occur after that except as the second to last word)
< 1380943890 221339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you mean after the CRLF is sent somehow? I don't know how.
< 1380943973 141470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "i" is the 519th character.
< 1380944271 277017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried the red button it changes which light is lit and seems to affect the fan speed.
< 1380944380 104761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Automatic", "Silent" and "Terrifying", clearly.
< 1380944460 444635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get slightly bad video again but only when the CPU is in use a lot, it seems.
< 1380944514 470354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not as bad as before.
< 1380944654 550120 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I will need some spell to write on the water.
< 1380944695 983674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anti Rhei
< 1380944762 601843 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you clone the serial number and capacity of a hard disk?
< 1380944803 88687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't fizzie do something similar the other day
< 1380944826 194474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to move a windows installation
< 1380944859 192015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or someone here did, anyway.
< 1380944894 854188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it wasn't actually the same capacity, he moved it from a hard disk to a smaller SSD iirc
< 1380944964 661268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean if you have a disk with a larger capacity and a different serial number and you want to move it so that it has the same serial number and capacity as the old one (so that a part of the new one isn't used)
< 1380945053 184811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. well i don't know anyway.
< 1380947267 856112 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The video now only looks bad when I am standing far away from the computer.
< 1380947280 322402 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks correct from close up.
< 1380947367 85156 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist sb&hj
< 1380947372 245699 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist sb&hj: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
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< 1380948653 461476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 42
< 1380948655 962263 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 42: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex
< 1380948737 699884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other thing I ought to do before going in the boat is to summon a familiar, but there are no stats for a leech in any of the books. There also isn't any stats for a big leech that we can downgrade (my brother's suggestion).
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< 1380949137 750755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just take a banker and downgrade that.
< 1380949201 632253 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... No, that won't work.
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< 1380949229 536795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't imagine why.
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< 1380949659 552472 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr
< 1380949665 979415 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watching talk on Go concurrency
< 1380949678 267948 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talks about how concurrency != parallelism
< 1380949692 694530 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then goes on to say how concurrency is
< 1380949705 40127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the video card or video cable bad? Is there something wrong with the surge protector?
< 1380949717 564031 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(Much nicer than dealing with the minutiae of parallelism (threads, semaphores, locks, barriers, etc.)"
< 1380949754 160456 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, those things are totally features of parallelism rather than poor models of concurrency
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< 1380954296 12904 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it does seem to have something to do with the video card.
< 1380954327 107638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it seems I am getting bad video only when the video memory is being written.
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< 1380958763 703897 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :onfail $ run $ head -10 "README"
< 1380958764 46679 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has the same meaning as:
< 1380958764 192183 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(onfail (run (head -10 "README")))
< 1380958765 682970 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O
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< 1380959660 26802 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet Sherlock and Hella Watson update
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< 1380964035 973484 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan NICK :Mayushii
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< 1380967068 990041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this latest update for Dungeons&Dragons game recordings?
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< 1380980658 405459 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found another three articles about Core War in old magazines and added them to the list http://www.retroprogramming.com/2011/11/bibliography-of-programming-games.html
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< 1380981724 767669 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote at the same time
< 1380981732 159200 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1031) ok confession time because of the whole "generation" thing i thought that kids were born in waves until i was like twelve and everybody like reproduced at the same time \ 1062) I would like to learn how to use a sword And also how to ride a unicycle Perhaps not at the same time
< 1380981751 131460 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll never guess what societies I've joined
< 1380981776 640629 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unicycle sword juggling society?
< 1380981921 802887 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your local fencing club?
< 1380982161 231843 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1380982283 564611 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner is closer
< 1380982546 712519 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JuggleSoc said they'd teach me to ride a unicycle
< 1380982559 588696 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1380982567 828449 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MedievalSoc said they'd teach me to use a sword
< 1380982609 49487 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they seriously named like cyberpunk security organizations
< 1380982637 746040 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1380982643 796144 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's even HackSoc
< 1380982656 942760 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing.
< 1380982666 155218 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@120.59.103.51 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380982674 732166 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you get complementary mirrored glasses for joining
< 1380982752 715906 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope so
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< 1380983318 274546 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise what is the point
< 1380983427 113974 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to find a song I can sing to show off my singiness
< 1380983470 257781 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HANG UP THE CHICK HABIT HANG IT UP DADDY YOYO hth
< 1380983517 174675 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen__: is that going to get me into the cast of Jesus Christ Superstar
< 1380983524 793726 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope not
< 1380983543 739037 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1380983547 374551 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but try having some car chasing going on while you sing
< 1380983547 519790 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1380983551 371790 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe a lapdance
< 1380983566 735816 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could make a great movie
< 1380983747 75476 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking If I Were A Rich Man
< 1380983976 505460 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have texted my actor-friend for advice
< 1380983986 477469 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully he will not see me as a rival
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< 1380984155 845594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : are they seriously named like cyberpunk security organizations
< 1380984157 741878 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1380984171 724220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i asked the sociology society if they were called SocSoc and they said yes
< 1380984670 425006 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
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< 1380985874 797220 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there are at least 6 Homestuck fans at the University of York
< 1380986601 131193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that group called StuckSoc?
< 1380986808 936088 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1380986820 777528 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need 15 to start a society
< 1380986853 465095 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as far as I know none of them has met more than three
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< 1380986960 117131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that's a security measure.
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< 1380987374 774700 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my smoke/co detector sems to be hallucinating a fire
< 1380987512 285998 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's saying smoke, not co. If it was saying co, I wouldn't assume it was hallucinating
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< 1380988646 219761 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finally got my Tic-Tac-Toe idea into a wiki page!
< 1380988745 849821 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope my detector wasn't misreporting CO as fire
< 1380988754 13227 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh?
< 1380988781 363189 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My smoke detector/CO alarm went off, reporting smoke, no evidence of any fire anywhere in sight
< 1380988816 437870 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now?
< 1380988852 953264 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :j's right, what if the fire got time-displaced?
< 1380988859 32181 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few minutes ago
< 1380988877 545940 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I threw it away, worried that it would disturb neighbors
< 1380988903 464308 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It stopped chirping shortly after reaching the dumpster
< 1380988996 203654 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, anyone have any suggestions for the Tic Tac Toe language?
< 1380989011 189953 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just... threw away your smoke detector?
< 1380989024 486639 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense.
< 1380989038 148747 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much easier than, say, removing the battery.
< 1380989044 134510 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you get to buy a new one.
< 1380989046 686876 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1380989055 599192 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, what if the old one was faulty?
< 1380989067 364226 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I tried to remove the battery. I failed.
< 1380989075 334466 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it burst into flames... would be ironic, won't it?
< 1380989102 431527 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is it legal to throw smoke detectors to normal trash? They contain a small amount of radioactive material, and in this case, also a battery.)
< 1380989107 563520 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized how suspicious an uncomfortable-looking person holding a beeping device wrapped in a blanket must seem
< 1380989122 538593 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some neighbor saw me on my way to throw it out
< 1380989143 494362 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: my dad claims yes, so... maybe?
< 1380989173 973732 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time I come here, I see a lot of smart people...oh look, you're all here too!
< 1380989182 885828 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shikhin: I got rid of a smoke alarm that emitted a smell of smoking electronics when i powered it up once.
< 1380989224 761838 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I left it at a recycling center.)
< 1380989229 462358 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am concerned what if there is actually somethign in my apartment triggering it
< 1380989251 823358 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the other detectors silent?
< 1380989270 502667 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: I like the idea of a tic tac toe language. but WHY would you make it a brainfuck derivative? :(
< 1380989299 758036 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted other commands, but I didn't have any ideas!
< 1380989301 712878 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have/had one detector
< 1380989349 800212 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you'd sure as hell know if it was right, and something really is wrong :-)
< 1380989359 24134 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: ಠ_ಠ Do you only have one room?
< 1380989360 485965 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 ¯|¯⌠
< 1380989360 678322 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /< |
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< 1380989379 347994 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: two rooms. Bathroom, and rest of apartment
< 1380989399 259265 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although there's a very short hallway leading into the bathroom, so there's a divider wall
< 1380989400 135495 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1380989405 97632 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although there's a very short hallway leading into the bathroom, so there's a divider wall
< 1380989407 268385 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1380989413 639384 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :end chorus
< 1380989415 428992 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, I guess kitchen is semi-separate
< 1380989446 631292 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shikhin: unless alarm misreported CO as fire...
< 1380989456 599450 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have any other ideas for commands on my tic tac toe board? I do NOT want any more bf derivatives! >:-[
< 1380989484 983424 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's house lacks any sorts of alarm detectors, let alone CO detectors..
< 1380989489 418773 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/alarm/fire/
< 1380989514 518001 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should get some.
< 1380989540 760197 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I live in a third world country, heh.
< 1380989626 46815 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they expensive?
< 1380989640 88898 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think every buildin i've ever lived in has had them preinstalled, now that i think about it
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< 1380989684 170866 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll change it to a stack based language. I will have to have help, though.
< 1380989706 826862 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What will be the 8 commands?
< 1380989766 317079 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :already sounds like underload
< 1380989823 334327 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if no one will help me, we'll be stuck with this BF derivative forever.
< 1380989837 853803 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989841 470387 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989845 92851 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989847 902854 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989850 612176 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989853 670331 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989856 728839 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989859 337393 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989862 458320 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989865 170010 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989867 781226 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989870 465041 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989873 33341 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989875 539983 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989878 63417 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989880 496226 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989883 78129 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989886 15897 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989888 830466 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989891 378883 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989893 654170 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989895 825061 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989898 144518 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989901 82758 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989903 652687 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989907 525124 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up.
< 1380989908 352341 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ever...
< 1380989912 337701 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1380989921 423289 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there no flood-kicking bot?
< 1380989927 261000 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just don't want a BF derivative.
< 1380989934 417126 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because most of us aren't stupid enough to spam the fucking channel.
< 1380989936 108768 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1380989972 251178 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: C is just a BF derivate :p
< 1380989988 284630 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF was a C derivative.
< 1380990030 576956 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott
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< 1380990033 542614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric JWinslow23 :don't flood
< 1380990034 786968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott
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< 1380990070 133547 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: You just witnessed our fleshy flood-kicking bot in action.
< 1380990089 789079 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little delayed
< 1380990090 782910 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION god was kicked from #earth by Noah [don't flood]
< 1380990120 972161 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean elliott is satan
< 1380990129 498168 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1380990138 893268 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he’s just Santana and/or Santa.
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< 1380990226 884866 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how did you obtain the power to kick God? what deal have you wrought out?
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< 1380990699 639555 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry about the flood, you guys. I promise I won't ever again.
< 1380990705 332810 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scout's honor!
< 1380990747 552501 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still looking for ideas on how to make TicTacToe stack-based, though.
< 1380990818 141048 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have any tips?
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< 1380990885 789710 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had some ideas on how a program may look like, but it isnn't closely based on the game
< 1380990911 688261 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1380990937 822877 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you know, I want it to be like the original at least a little bit.
< 1380990946 927642 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, each command is made out of 2 numbers that represent a move, moving again on the same spot will remove that mark, the programm terminates if one player has won
< 1380990991 290857 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still isn't stack based, though. i also want it to follow the rules of the game.
< 1380991013 959254 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, you don't throw the checkers board at someone's face, do you?
< 1380991350 94620 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How else would you play?
< 1380991403 254698 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1380991424 438858 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: throw the pawns at someone's eyes
< 1380991517 117984 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logs fixed.
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< 1380991618 294924 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so imagine you've got a checker's game going on
< 1380991635 39233 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every pawn carries a value
< 1380991658 228299 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pawns that get captured go to the prisoners queue of the appropriate colour
< 1380991708 468752 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever a pawn reaches the end row, it gets promoted: a pawn is taken from the appropriate prisoner queue and pushed on it (so it's a stack of pawns)
< 1380991744 181057 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that promotion happen not only to single pawns, but to any stack which reaches the end row
< 1380991806 970048 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :popping an empty queue presumably returns a fresh pawn with value 0, so that memory isn't limited
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< 1380991849 197816 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the question is: how to program this game?
< 1380991890 92880 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be fun if a program was a list of directions, strategies, etc
< 1380991900 874160 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the game is played at runtime by a bot following those directions
< 1380992001 522217 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad thing is, currently the number of stacks is limited to the number of pawns initially present on the board, and even though the total number of pawns is unbounded, the number of stacks can never grow, and it will in fact decrease every time a stack is captured
< 1380992029 236009 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's okay
< 1380992093 965523 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :directions can be of the kind "whenever you can capture, capture" or "if you can promote, promote" or whatever
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< 1380992159 984765 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently, interaction between the two sides can only be done through play; black values are completely independant of white values
< 1380992166 995893 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you can give directions that depend on the values
< 1380992178 978339 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you probably can
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< 1380993536 257031 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: thank you!
< 1380993562 967653 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu TOPIC #esoteric :fnord, offset fnord (with no evidence) | PDF while supplies last:u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | this space intentionally left right
< 1380993568 455364 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops.
< 1380993612 874030 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu TOPIC #esoteric :fnord, offset fnord (with no evidence) | PDF while supplies last: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ or http://tunes.org/~nef/log/sesoteric/ | this space intentionally left right
< 1380993800 648914 :ion!ion@heh.fi TOPIC #esoteric :fnord, offset fnord (with no evidence) | PDF while supplies last: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ or http://tunes.org/~nef/log/sesoteric/ | this spacetime intentionally left right
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< 1380995388 60988 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sesoteric?
< 1380995409 6880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi?
< 1380995415 716723 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :topic?
< 1380995416 81219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh in the url
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< 1380995421 776438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutation
< 1380995433 466417 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss mutation
< 1380995491 605933 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu TOPIC #esoteric :fnord, offset fnord (with no evidence) | PDF while supplies last: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ or http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | this spacetime intentionally left right
< 1380995508 656630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of mutation?
< 1380995534 254457 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardy-weinberg violating mutations
< 1380995588 56747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow so you can plug a Firefox OS phone into your computer, open up the Firefox developer tools on the computer, and inspect / debug / mess with the running app on the phone, in realtime
< 1380995619 714102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you don't like the background color or whatever you can just fix that
< 1380995684 459515 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also we have a pure JavaScript implementation of Flash which is good enough to play some real games etc, and it's in FF nightly
< 1380995702 579691 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive.
< 1380995792 319966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good for a lot of reasons, one of which is that new versions of Adobe Flash on Linux are Chrome-only :/
< 1380995853 920801 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, wow, that's gotta suck.
< 1380995856 987713 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can it do the one thing that people actually use Flash for: Play videos
< 1380995878 558297 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flash should die
< 1380995882 83622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flash games are popular too
< 1380995893 968852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know what the status of video is
< 1380995919 823103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it shouldn't be that hard, because you only need to run enough Flash to get a video URL to hand off to the browser's already existing video support
< 1380995923 73173 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know shit really
< 1380995934 851065 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that debugging thing I think other things can do too for web sites
< 1380995937 31776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course we'd rather people use HTML5 video
< 1380995952 510034 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iOS's browser can be hooked up to Safari on Mac
< 1380995973 942207 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: but you can do it for any FxOS app, because they're all using Web tech
< 1380995981 136959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the cool part imo
< 1380995994 910383 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1380996118 325343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: yep
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< 1381003106 469688 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you share my intuition that a hash trie where each node is refcounted would have terrible performance?
< 1381003138 401493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in a concurrent setting anyway)
< 1381003146 914986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to making every node 1 word bigger + atomic ops overhead + loss of cacheline sharing
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< 1381003273 18535 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is searching for a copy of CoreMaster by Think Software. Zero hits from Google, so I might struggle...
< 1381003290 55474 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what sort of structure would it be replacing?
< 1381003470 738250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a specific application in mind, but the advantage over a flat hash table is that you get pure-functional update / cheap snapshotting, and the advantage over a simple search tree is that it's a lot faster
< 1381003518 935305 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if it's mostly read, and rarely written to, it'd be okay, right?
< 1381003532 574876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1381003533 666172 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that'd be a hash table where you can easily remove things, right...?
< 1381003541 816371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in that case you could also consider copying a flat hash table
< 1381003576 61247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the unique thing is more that your add/modify/remove operations give you a "new" datastructure (which mostly shares nodes with the old) rather than modifying in place
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< 1381003593 621601 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work O_O
< 1381003604 76949 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't each node have like, pointers to its child nodes and stuff?
< 1381003607 436251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1381003610 706079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know how it works for a plain binary search tree?
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< 1381003623 800918 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... I guess you replace the node you're changing, and all of its parents?
< 1381003630 3477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you implement a BST in Haskell in the most naive way, you get this for free ^_^
< 1381003632 996828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1381003644 769744 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you end up modifying... log(N) of the tree nodes if it's balenced?
< 1381003645 727965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if the tree is balanced, you copy only O(log n) data
< 1381003646 523213 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*balanced
< 1381003647 496100 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1381003666 493028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a hash trie is a tree where instead of going left/right based on a pairwise comparison, you go left/right based on the bits of a hash output
< 1381003680 247001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and furthermore you probably want a 16- or 32-way fanout instead of 2-way
< 1381003705 974586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and furthermore most of those 16 or 32 pointers will be NULL most of the time, so you can use clever bit tricks to store nodes sparsely
< 1381003719 846529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fit each node into a cache line
< 1381003734 604184 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 bytes is pretty big for a node, isn't it? or am I missing something
< 1381003759 692838 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 bytes is a cache line, isn't it?
< 1381003771 795233 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or fit multiple nodes in a cache line, I guess
< 1381003781 941509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you take care that they're aligned, anyway
< 1381003796 241648 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there'd only becontention if you had multiple nodes in a cacheline, right?
< 1381003889 530983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean with refcounting?
< 1381003919 796767 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean contention with like, multiple threads updating a single node at the same time? not cacheline contention with like, multiple nodes being modified in the same cacheline
< 1381003934 506787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that when you do a functional update, you need to bump the refcount on the nodes you're reusing (even though you aren't modifying them at a semantic level), and this will kill sharing of that cacheline between cores
< 1381003938 489444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1381003949 303082 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh. but doesn't that mean modifying the trie is O(N)?
< 1381003958 398247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nodes will bounce between caches in exclusive mode, instead of being shared, which is what you would want from ostensible immutable data
< 1381003959 227152 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you have to modify O(N-log(N)) nodes' refcounts
< 1381003969 218477 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I totally wrong here
< 1381003976 755549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think no, because you only count immediate referants not transitive referants
< 1381003992 279301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the child of a node you're reusing already has a refcount from its parent
< 1381004019 451822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're creating O(log n) new nodes that refer to some old ones
< 1381004038 77478 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so you update the refcounts on all the children of your new nodes?
< 1381004039 742419 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need to bump the refcount on all the old nodes
< 1381004041 645691 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, immediate children
< 1381004046 109863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think so
< 1381004052 320216 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all the old nodes... okay that sorta makes sense
< 1381004064 995928 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's log(N) * some constant refcount updates and log(N) new nodes ish?
< 1381004083 236067 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so
< 1381004124 151754 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though a 16-fanout hash trie over a 64-bit hash will have a maximum depth of 4, anyway
< 1381004147 803478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have 16-fanout, isn't that just 4 bits?
< 1381004148 920366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I shouldn't say O(log N)
< 1381004161 690886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes, I can't count
< 1381004165 752328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :depth of 16 then
< 1381004176 597310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 4 orders of magnitude between friends
< 1381004192 677082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absolutely nothing. Here, have a flower: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131005-flower.jpg
< 1381004204 736351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just wanted an excuse to share the photo.)
< 1381004214 251861 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3
< 1381004217 410323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind is it?
< 1381004233 949979 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe instead of addrefing the new children you could just addref the old node you copied
< 1381004239 209755 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that overcounts one reference to something you've removed from the new tree, but you can fix that later
< 1381004245 850763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1381004246 772856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea. I think I was told, but I've forgotten already.
< 1381004268 227976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: do you then need to keep a pointer to the old node so you can collect it when the new one goes away?
< 1381004288 108748 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wave hands until reaching a working algorithm)
< 1381004321 361826 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you'd probably need another pointer somewhere
< 1381004329 356429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, Oxford University Flower Recognition Demo actually maybe even recognized it, I think: http://zeus.robots.ox.ac.uk:8080/flower_demo/demo_result?id=3152
< 1381004335 549047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the first hit looks quite similar.
< 1381004356 385130 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1381004367 497278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, not the first, the fourth.
< 1381004383 610274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah that's a thing?
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< 1381004434 885020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Their picture was the first hit in a Google "search by image" query, that's how I found it.
< 1381004452 422654 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381004455 800729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(First time that was useful for anything.)
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< 1381005904 765452 :AnotherT-!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be NICK :AnotherTest
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< 1381006590 947859 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone here got access to the Tamiment Library at New York Uni?
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< 1381007178 523608 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Excess Flood
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< 1381007298 960553 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty specific question
< 1381007300 847291 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run WeLcOmE Zuu | rainwords
< 1381007307 749094 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :4ZuU: 7wElCoMe 8tO 9ThE 2InTeRnAtIoNaL 13HuB 6FoR 4EsOtErIc 7pRoGrAmMiNg 8lAnGuAgE 9DeSiGn 2aNd 13dEpLoYmEnT! 6fOr 4mOrE 7InFoRmAtIoN, 8cHeCk 9oUt 2oUr 13wIkI: 6hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. 4(FoR 7ThE 8OtHeR 9KiNd 2oF 13EsOtErIcA, 6tRy 4#EsOtErIc 7oN 8IrC.DaL.NeT.)
< 1381007521 207282 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "WeLcOmE $* | rainwords" > bin/ReLcOmE
< 1381007525 326335 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1381007536 609753 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`chmod 755 bin/ReLcOmE
< 1381007537 881446 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod: missing operand after `755 bin/ReLcOmE' \ Try `chmod --help' for more information.
< 1381007544 21420 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod 755 bin/ReLcOmE
< 1381007548 45435 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1381007597 47369 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo Hello World!
< 1381007598 155144 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World!
< 1381007612 559899 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cls
< 1381007613 888624 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: cls: not found
< 1381007624 664884 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1381007635 524406 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn cls is a command to clear the screen.
< 1381007641 176802 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1381007651 230186 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help wisdom
< 1381007651 480864 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1381007660 468388 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom
< 1381007662 54349 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and uh that other one? it started with like, an ø?
< 1381007683 299616 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like most interactive systems, this thing has like four separate help systems, the distinction of which is obscure
< 1381007689 536415 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cls wisdom
< 1381007690 762543 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: cls: not found
< 1381007695 455662 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom cls
< 1381007697 109690 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wisdom: not found
< 1381007710 689048 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`How do you access wisdom?
< 1381007712 94625 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: How: not found
< 1381007715 502214 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with ?
< 1381007718 424794 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom
< 1381007718 594853 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cls
< 1381007721 82830 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and uh that other one? it started with like, an ø?
< 1381007721 228348 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cls is a command to clear the screen.
< 1381007731 598559 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ?
< 1381007733 417732 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :? is wisdom
< 1381007744 436427 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ø
< 1381007744 996444 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that would actually have been helpful in this context.
< 1381007746 672437 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ø is not going anywhere
< 1381007747 87455 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `?
< 1381007749 49560 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381007884 492654 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ørjan
< 1381007886 669497 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers.
< 1381007893 449691 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1381007953 630027 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ even though IRCNet allows #øæ’jµ it doesn't allow nick ørjan
< 1381007956 570785 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the Uni Library has a one of a kind item in their collection I'm interested in.
< 1381007973 949289 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it?
< 1381007980 107772 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering. i don't have access.
< 1381007993 675653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the holy grail
< 1381008017 785656 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cls
< 1381008019 965958 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cls is a command to clear the screen.
< 1381008052 83881 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom
< 1381008054 406801 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and uh that other one? it started with like, an ø?
< 1381008069 145674 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? WeLcOmE
< 1381008071 434435 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1381008096 311312 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ClS
< 1381008098 588514 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cls is a command to clear the screen.
< 1381008103 518289 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1381008112 85838 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ø
< 1381008114 188786 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ø is not going anywhere
< 1381008122 789454 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Batch is a language that uses the command cls.
< 1381008127 205407 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1381008134 941812 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Batch
< 1381008136 719578 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Batch is a language that uses the command cls.
< 1381008173 742168 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i just realized that indiana jones should probably have taken the grail solely for its archaelogical value, irrespective of the moral choice thing.
< 1381008176 579509 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn ø is not going anywhere.
< 1381008182 586163 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1381008191 93877 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ø
< 1381008192 851822 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ø is not going anywhere.
< 1381008193 471525 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, i mean, in the forties. archaelogists still basically stole crap back then i think
< 1381008220 293037 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Humphrey Bogart is a cousin to Lady Di.
< 1381008225 796904 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1381008234 9531 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Humphrey Bogart
< 1381008235 786196 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humphrey Bogart? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381008249 608798 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Humphrey
< 1381008251 619978 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humphrey Bogart is a cousin to Lady Di.
< 1381008260 634558 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? aah
< 1381008262 711329 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah ambiguous acronym here
< 1381008269 185394 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1381008272 773892 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nah
< 1381008274 896073 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah no ambiguity here
< 1381008278 407514 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good
< 1381008278 951734 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nimby
< 1381008280 683579 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :nimby? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381008292 127393 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? HackEgo
< 1381008294 54319 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1381008294 238663 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing.
< 1381008300 423114 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? NIMBY : Not in my backyard
< 1381008302 46748 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :NIMBY : Not in my backyard? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381008314 188661 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn NIMBY : Not in my backyard.
< 1381008318 624265 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1381008322 840777 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`NIMBY
< 1381008324 271012 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: NIMBY: not found
< 1381008327 141009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? NIMBY
< 1381008329 235572 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :NIMBY : Not in my backyard.
< 1381008329 636118 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? NIMBY
< 1381008331 649429 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :NIMBY : Not in my backyard.
< 1381008336 888840 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NIMBY : Not in my backyard?
< 1381008349 384483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAVE People : Citizens Against Virtually Everything
< 1381008374 931306 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BANANA: Build absolutely nothing anywhere near anybody
< 1381008394 756884 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTL: Go to (the) loo
< 1381008395 147992 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381008407 460853 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rainwords
< 1381008409 377013 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :rainwords? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381008429 160991 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381008429 684564 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |
< 1381008429 881410 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 º¯`\o
< 1381008431 51341 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :¯\(°_o)/¯ `? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381008443 595994 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1381008443 741627 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, elliot: They have some negatives from a Core War tournament
< 1381008452 23422 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `?
< 1381008454 162676 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381008458 748308 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, like, photos?
< 1381008472 456083 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯?
< 1381008474 536871 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯?? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381008498 704894 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn ¯\(°_o)/¯ ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381008499 172216 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | | |
< 1381008499 355961 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 º¯`\o º¯`\o º¯`\o
< 1381008500 881190 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/bin/learn: line 4: wisdom/: Is a directory \ I knew that.
< 1381008508 344215 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23, what the fuck are you playing at
< 1381008511 915063 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯?
< 1381008512 250654 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | |
< 1381008512 446125 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 o/`¯º o/`¯º
< 1381008513 717726 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric : ¯\(°_o)/¯? ¯\(°_o)/¯?? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381008518 184515 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1381008520 949005 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I have an archive or Core War stuff. Am trying to find as much as possible before it disappears forever.
< 1381008528 145106 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott
> 1381008528 632637 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1381008532 596592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +qq HackEgo!*@* :myndzi!*@*
> 1381008532 619174 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1381008534 400171 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to make a quine in the shell thing, Phantom Hoover!
< 1381008549 709206 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat quines
< 1381008556 192298 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to do spammy things with the bots, do them in /query
< 1381008561 738460 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Right.
< 1381008564 832825 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm good at this.
< 1381008570 873002 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry.
< 1381008574 31120 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm doing the same for other programming games, e.g. Darwin and RobotWar.
< 1381008590 712142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -qqo HackEgo!*@* myndzi!*@* :elliott
> 1381008590 728217 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1381008591 203824 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1381008621 133788 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381008637 504145 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: have you contacted the library? maybe they can just like, scan it for you.
< 1381008641 586186 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ReLcOmE Zuu
< 1381008644 937714 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :9WeLcOmE 2To 13tHe 6iNtErNaTiOnAl 4hUb 7fOr 8eSoTeRiC 9PrOgRaMmInG 2LaNgUaGe 13dEsIgN 6AnD 4DePlOyMeNt! 7FoR 8MoRe 9iNfOrMaTiOn, 2ChEcK 13OuT 6OuR 4WiKi: 7HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. 8(fOr 9tHe 2oThEr 13kInD 6Of 4eSoTeRiCa, 7TrY 8#eSoTeRiC 9On 2iRc.dAl.nEt.)
< 1381008661 586887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381008681 929429 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :------
< 1381008687 363090 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, i did it!
< 1381008699 624479 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ask what `? is.
< 1381008702 773203 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `?
< 1381008704 777817 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `?
< 1381008740 575269 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat quines
< 1381008742 6023 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: quines: Is a directory
< 1381008745 941638 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :er.
< 1381008747 432348 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls quines
< 1381008749 424504 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat \ perl \ python \ q \ ruby
< 1381008754 328818 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls quines/cat
< 1381008756 307628 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :quines/cat
< 1381008759 834508 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat quines/cat
< 1381008761 334561 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1381008803 70599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi JWinslow23
< 1381008854 889866 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey!
< 1381008860 551405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo q; cat quines/cat
< 1381008862 55263 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :q
< 1381008868 709719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping it actually said "No output."
< 1381008888 964426 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1381008940 150879 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat quines/cat
< 1381008941 685578 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1381008981 378694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it'd still be a quine if it did, ofc
< 1381008990 543557 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: will be sending an email. Just need to write a decent description of the project.
< 1381009010 599867 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: thanks
< 1381009010 850371 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my poopish connection is being poopish again :(
< 1381009058 701585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :popeish connection
< 1381009104 247556 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo `echo `echo
< 1381009105 965660 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo `echo
< 1381009114 370894 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What to do, what to do...
< 1381009299 736713 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `?
< 1381009302 52706 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `?
< 1381009307 970324 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn `? `? `?
< 1381009313 75767 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1381009318 410109 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `? `?
< 1381009319 952232 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `?? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381009331 480903 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn `? `?
< 1381009335 719421 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1381009338 658891 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `?
< 1381009340 713416 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `?
< 1381009348 353913 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES! Got it to work.
< 1381009375 553692 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: you are bored, aren't you?
< 1381009396 808415 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo Yyp.
< 1381009397 976756 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yyp.
< 1381009409 438410 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo YUP! Sorry about that.
< 1381009410 882076 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :YUP! Sorry about that.
< 1381009442 847136 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have any suggestions for making Tic Tac Toe (my language) stack based?
< 1381009452 266756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a suggestion
< 1381009472 298499 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0) Add a stack
< 1381009492 712207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the cable, the monitor, or the motherboard that is causing the bad video?
< 1381009494 694955 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, but what 8 commands can I use for stack manipulation?
< 1381009495 116772 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: :D
< 1381009511 287267 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: +-><[],. :p
< 1381009531 965306 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :push, pop, swap, dup...
< 1381009532 808282 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is my OLD command set!
< 1381009542 645945 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname's anyway.
< 1381009557 38768 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen, you may be hitting on something!
< 1381009560 328070 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pop any page from http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Stack-based
< 1381009575 424470 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rip off what's there and make a copy and post it
< 1381009580 304406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 - * DUP there are others too
< 1381009581 176534 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouuuuuuuh
< 1381009598 83517 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am! Just need something with 8 commands. I haven't found that yet, though.
< 1381009609 57969 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how +-><[],. is a valid "head -c 1" program
< 1381009626 788331 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: huh?
< 1381009646 589200 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how many different programs you can get from anagrams of the 8 brainfuck commands
< 1381009648 31409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The +-><[] is irrelevant
< 1381009667 621568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They cancel each other out and [] is nothing when the value is already zero
< 1381009680 247849 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: apparently i know somebody who has access.
< 1381009719 308227 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :,.-[>+<] everythign relevant
< 1381009808 381869 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: if > means "push 0" and < means "pop" then +-><[],. are the commands for a stack-based language
< 1381009853 366229 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen__: that shouldn't be turing complete
< 1381009866 204413 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1381009875 454662 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where would you pop to?
< 1381009885 96704 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don’t pop where you eat.
< 1381009886 167483 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to Neverland
< 1381009889 452945 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So...
< 1381009895 600398 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what now?
< 1381009930 450211 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :<>[,+.-] enterprise brainfuck encryption
< 1381009938 479711 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe there are two stacks and > and < just means "pop from a to push onto b" and vice versa
< 1381009942 885164 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically brainfuck
< 1381009959 421520 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and turing complete
< 1381009974 190964 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming popping an empty stack gives a zero
< 1381009983 83567 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, gives something, anyway)
< 1381010023 630597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I interpreted your [,+.-] loop as just being a caesar cipher that adds 1 to every codepoint
< 1381010036 491672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems pretty much like enterprise brainfuck encryption to me
< 1381010052 460867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it be made some esolang that is Turing complete if transcendental numbers are allowed and not Turing complete if it isn't?
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< 1381010089 273086 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Post on the talk page. I will play Monopoly.
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< 1381010095 928128 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :making such an esolang is your task now, zzo38
< 1381010098 58128 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to call it that, but i predicted someone would point out how it doesn't properly wrap Z to A
< 1381010112 235317 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well if they're feeling generous, they're in box 26b, shoot 300030. ;-)
< 1381010113 772905 :Zuu__!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :Zuu
< 1381010135 398372 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shoot?
< 1381010151 779930 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought about making a language that only has half-bits as data types
< 1381010204 122476 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably have a better understanding of how fractional bits work.
< 1381010215 200204 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the way the reference negatives I think!
< 1381010216 371850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google turkey bomb cat's eye
< 1381010217 415645 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/node/TURKEY%20BOMB.html
< 1381010217 561074 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: TURKEY BOMB | Cat's Eye Technologies
< 1381010250 207056 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: my basic idea was to say "half-bit b is the oposite of half-bit a" and so making a decidable full bit
< 1381010257 337360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is catseye working again, then?
< 1381010259 612915 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hooking you up with some random undergrad probably won't help you out
< 1381010341 485 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: is that like quantum entanglement?
< 1381010347 169947 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if you have two particles A and B, and you know they have opposite spins
< 1381010354 625012 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have one bit of information about A and B, so half a bit about each, right
< 1381010366 943124 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing what a number in 0-9 is exactly is ln 10 bits of information, right?
< 1381010384 245500 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, integer
< 1381010391 841616 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yeah, but if you don't declare b the opposite of a and you ask of the value of a you either get 1 or it doesn't terminate
< 1381010403 597662 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :semi-decidable
< 1381010418 793118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the problem is you're asking for a bit out of a half-bit there, no?
< 1381010424 855215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so of course it doesn't necessarily terminate, it isn't a total operation
< 1381010430 50017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: log_2, surely?
< 1381010441 306999 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow why did i think ln meant log 2, yes, log 2
< 1381010469 602980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could argue that the natural log should be the one that's most natural given the context.
< 1381010478 540730 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to, though.
< 1381010488 350172 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, if the opposite of a semi-decidable language is semi-decisable, then the language itself is decidable and so should be the bit
< 1381010507 876367 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the natural log always the most natural
< 1381010552 180758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural log is best log
< 1381010590 763536 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so knowing the value of a nonnegative integer less than the square root of two should be half a bit of information. clearly. i've got this down.
< 1381010625 134683 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: 0 to 9 is more than 1 bit
< 1381010658 94008 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's log2 10 bits, i said.
< 1381010662 493443 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractional bits has me thinking of arithmetic coding -_-
< 1381010854 230831 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of makes sense intuitively, since knowing the value of the third bit of a nonnegative integer less than ten is useless if the other three bits are 111, or 110, or 101, or 100, or 011, or 010, but not if they're 001 or 000.
< 1381010945 195385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also thought of fraction bits of information, but I have also tried to think of programming with negative number of bits of information, too.
< 1381011052 593120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: now figure out negative bits.
< 1381011078 318748 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: knowing the naked appearance of a united states supreme court justice.
< 1381011140 884604 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or: the value of a nonnegative integer less than 1/x has -x bits.
< 1381011141 880710 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so easy.
< 1381011252 553757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: 1/2^x?
< 1381011261 399610 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever.
< 1381011281 400480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the negative bits thing in TURKEY BOMB is easy enough to figure out
< 1381011298 264646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a negative-bits value, then it requires more storage to represent in anything that contains everything except that value
< 1381011309 204765 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. right, you just don't use a uniform distribution.
< 1381011497 951555 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if x is discretely uniformly distributed between 0 and 9, the third bit is zero with 80% probability, and the second is zero with 40%, bla bla bla.
< 1381011507 752575 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for permitting me to go over this stupid basic stuff
< 1381011526 142985 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :60%*
< 1381011582 396771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that works for fractional amount of bits between 0 and 1
< 1381011598 825841 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1381011681 20975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: using weighted probabilities to get values with less than a bit
< 1381011700 610745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you'd have a negative number of bits in storage in something that was 120% likely to be a 0, and -20% likely to be a 1
< 1381011727 999175 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how sensible
< 1381011737 654655 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: negative probabilities. quick say something quantum
< 1381011817 206030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so we just need more people to give it 120% if we want to store negative bits?
< 1381011818 894711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well negative bits don't really make sense
< 1381011830 305712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, *110%
< 1381011834 136639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had enough negative-sized files, you could just store a load of them to free up disk space
< 1381011871 452648 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, good, and i forgot that the bits aren't independently distributed. i am terrible today.
< 1381011981 406915 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm reasonably sure negative information is a used concept. maybe only conditional information, though.
< 1381012022 136467 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only in quantum. great
< 1381012071 992802 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381012087 229679 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The negative conditional entropy is also known as the coherent information, and gives the additional number of bits above the classical limit that can be transmitted in a quantum dense coding protocol" and here we run into the famous "bike doesn't know know quantum" paradox of einstein's
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< 1381012347 769994 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dan simmons has this nice "use the word 'quantum' whenever you don't feel like explaining how it works" paradigm
< 1381012474 269036 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thinki have shannon's paper lying around somewhere. i could just read it.
< 1381012811 168517 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381013181 284725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : onfail $ run $ head -10 "README"
< 1381013199 168558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (onfail (run (head -10 "README")))
< 1381013224 294358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is this? technically haskell does that but -10 doesn't work sensibly for it.
< 1381013259 936352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because the - is binary subtraction)
< 1381013307 383985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks there should be a flag for people who have been idle for hours.
< 1381013308 67739 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? I thought that was one of those horrible bits of odd syntax
< 1381013311 209182 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course I don't remember which direction it was odd
< 1381013327 992133 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type -10
< 1381013328 887160 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a
< 1381013341 76078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There is in ifMUD (although you can disable this feature). In IRC you can check using WHOIS.
< 1381013344 213608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the odd part is that (- 10) is unary minus, and not a section using the binary one.
< 1381013407 668509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: by flag i mean something that shows up in the initial channel listing.
< 1381013420 683901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like @ or +
< 1381013438 388418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@like @ or + do
< 1381013438 533855 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: wiki time list elite dice cide
< 1381013439 478848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the NAMES list?
< 1381013485 802265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hm well i guess irssi probably sends a NAMES command to get it.
< 1381013506 843328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that.
< 1381013544 506927 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is also received when you join the channel, automatically)
< 1381013569 939880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can push NAMES to make it receive even afterward, though.)
< 1381013626 740689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1381013684 688984 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is like the stupidest thing youtube has done so far... It decided to start all videos muted as of late afternoon today.
< 1381013685 111801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the idea of a new kind of trainer card for use in Pokemon card game: Pick one card from your trash, hand, or an energy attached to one of your cards in play, and put it with your side cards. You cannot use this if you already have six side cards.
< 1381013703 459798 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Any Lispy language that allows sweet-exprs
< 1381013710 420938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Prize cards?
< 1381013720 214309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes.
< 1381013797 240612 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet exprs. ok.
< 1381013799 457162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: does that include the preceding ad? if so that will be a feature for me :D
< 1381013809 349070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "sweet-exprs"?
< 1381013846 985982 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://readable.sourceforge.net/
< 1381013849 750482 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Hm, no idea, I have been watching ad-free channels most of the afternoon
< 1381013870 679868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you explain to me so I don't have to open it right now? I will open to read later.
< 1381013876 785082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hey, I got that too.
< 1381013896 369354 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you could try adblock btw, though of course if you do, that would prevent the independent creators from getting those 0.01 cents from your view or whatever
< 1381013899 765762 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo, more syntax arguments
< 1381013902 964805 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, really? How to fix
< 1381013927 601635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No idea. (Took me a moment staring at alsamixer settings wondering what's wrong before noticing the youtube-level mute.)
< 1381013929 247403 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a reader-level pass that takes something like {a + b + c} and turns it to (+ a b c), for example
< 1381013935 363944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: is there adblock for IE?
< 1381013942 712513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: O, that's what you mean.
< 1381013944 421208 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no clue
< 1381013963 993656 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only takes a "friendlier" (by someone's standards) syntax and converts it in a straightforward way to s-exprs
< 1381013973 643861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Thanks for your patience, all. We have been aware of this issue. It should be resolved soon.
< 1381013975 77153 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No semantic interpretation is done
< 1381013976 646534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :While this issue is live, please try clearing your browser's cache and cookies, --"
< 1381013983 438394 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that just a parser?
< 1381013985 226984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Writes someone on the Google product forums.)
< 1381013992 595375 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ... seriously? Heh
< 1381014005 576705 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I guess?
< 1381014011 71362 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume you would need to clear the flash cookie thingies
< 1381014012 982560 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :into sexps instead of asts, i guee.
< 1381014108 266746 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the {} seems like a really good idea for math stuff. The indentation stuff freaks me out a bit
< 1381014157 807737 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really get why "readable lisp" is such a persistent idea. i mean, have you ever read a math paper, the notation is worse than any programming language.
< 1381014163 792091 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not important anyway.
< 1381014184 609260 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think all of mathematical notation is necessarily so bad.
< 1381014195 282935 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully i'll never have to hear somebody say SVO is natural for huans ever again.
< 1381014233 980934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: even apl?
< 1381014238 310235 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I don't think Lisp and Forth and so on have really bad syntax even though some people says it is.
< 1381014251 901287 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ?
< 1381014272 674952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is math worse than even apl?
< 1381014314 4848 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I figure it, math needs its own typesetting programming language, and no programming language i know of does.
< 1381014327 40235 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possible this is comparing apples and oranges, but...
< 1381014343 843336 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an SFRI in 'final' status for the infix stuff
< 1381014349 18222 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SRFI
< 1381014608 582842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kind of card I described above, can have a lot of possible uses. (However, it is usually pretty worthless by themself.)
< 1381014628 185372 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a potential confusion
< 1381014646 396112 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{a get-new-op() b get-new-op() c}
< 1381014659 24632 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(get-new-op) is only present once in what that expands to
< 1381014682 866103 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :((get-new-op) a b c)
< 1381014692 292419 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did clearing the cache work?
< 1381014743 893355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb i suggest staying away from IngSoc
< 1381014744 78483 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1381014900 569946 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: should be ((begin (get-new-op) (get-new-op)) a b c), clearly.
< 1381014948 41017 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually kind of interesting though, i suppose it means no associativity.
< 1381014998 161607 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There isn't. There's also no operator mixing like {a + b - c} unless you define a macro... it expands to ($nfx$ a + b - c)
< 1381015075 807538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the best way to define an ordering in SQL so that you can insert a record in between two specified records (even if some records are deleted before that happens)?
< 1381015089 480576 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean associativity in scheme in general. like, (op) can always return an associative operator, and yet you can have ((op) ((op) a b) c) != ((op) a ((op) b c)).
< 1381015122 781672 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, if you don't specify any "ORDER BY" clause, sql results are "unordered"
< 1381015143 809643 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if you do have ORDER BY, just make a value at the position you want
< 1381015152 336070 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e.: no, you can't
< 1381015379 957188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I know that; I mean to define the collation of the field and the function to make it create these ordering values, and then you can use ORDER BY that field.
< 1381015425 373108 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1381015429 239829 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381015488 443489 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print("Hello world!")
< 1381015529 875704 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :print("hakkkashdfhanuipioquqqqquiusakdfjii10")
< 1381015591 604241 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? JWinslow23
< 1381015593 630014 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23 is a Wisconsinite who doesn't give a BF.
< 1381015668 28629 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1381015788 621728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do you know how to do this, then?
< 1381015828 409973 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1381015943 753627 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381015961 142426 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381015994 144452 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload:
< 1381015994 867501 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS):aSS
< 1381016004 476208 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prints its own source ocde.
< 1381016016 838395 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CODE! Dang you autocorrect!
< 1381016016 983803 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:aSS):aSS
< 1381016017 129323 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS):aSS
< 1381016035 336554 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunate it mentions @$$
< 1381016087 326706 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:aS(:^S^:)Sa:):^S^:(:aS(:^S^:)Sa:)
< 1381016087 472328 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aS(:^S^:)Sa:):^S^:(:aS(:^S^:)Sa:)
< 1381016107 507947 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Hello, World!)S
< 1381016107 653276 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, World!
< 1381016115 57040 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help
< 1381016115 235836 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
< 1381016121 931577 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help lang
< 1381016122 77048 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
< 1381016132 570179 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the available languages are bf and ul, it says.
< 1381016138 110279 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry.
< 1381016142 750686 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't read it.
< 1381016148 836014 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skimmed through.
< 1381016159 158628 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, you skimmed one line huh
< 1381016163 620793 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[]
< 1381016168 966102 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1381016175 749592 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, perfect...
< 1381016212 210835 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[[.+]+]
< 1381016212 394691 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : .. !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ ...
< 1381016223 638371 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow.
< 1381016232 174230 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Wow.
< 1381016284 378772 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,.
< 1381016284 524434 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1381016295 468790 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you input?
< 1381016298 779970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait how does that even work
< 1381016310 244427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!Like this
< 1381016310 389854 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like this
< 1381016333 231498 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,.!Oh, I see.
< 1381016333 418113 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :O
< 1381016360 326711 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]~Oh, yeah. Anything over 1 requires loop.
< 1381016375 840665 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!Oh, yeah. Anything over 1 requires loop.
< 1381016375 986260 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah. Anything over 1 requires loop.
< 1381016382 372838 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]
< 1381016382 518272 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah. Anything over 1 requires loop.
< 1381016390 786505 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks.
< 1381016400 678401 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]
< 1381016400 824018 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :inks.
< 1381016408 966941 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice.
< 1381016411 49808 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]
< 1381016411 195214 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :inks.
< 1381016412 21449 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]
< 1381016412 166845 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :inks.
< 1381016423 225246 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]
< 1381016423 370633 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :inks.
< 1381016429 651234 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inks? WTF?
< 1381016444 300355 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's reached a fixpoint
< 1381016448 756902 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[]
< 1381016453 979865 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1381016469 368572 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :inks, as in the end of my message ^Ablinks.^A
< 1381016470 900127 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, the fixpoint out of time
< 1381016471 459627 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: gmane even has a chance of comming back to it and then complain that it `does not work'.
< 1381016528 512968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think we found a new fungot bug
< 1381016529 640100 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but i'd say haskell introduces extra semantics, then. i'm surprised he doesn't have to be a bit less silly. i can feel it.
< 1381016555 167565 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ->+>+++>>+>++>+>+++>>+>++>>>+>+>+>++>+>>>>+++>+>>++>+>+++>>++>++>>+>>+>++>++>+>>>>+++>+>>>>++>++>>>>+>>++>+>+++>>>++>>++++++>>+>>++>+>>>>+++>>+++++>>+>+++>>>++>>++>>+>>++>+>+++>>>++>>+++++++++++++>>+>>++>+>+++>+>+++>>>++>>++++>>+>>++>+>>>>+++>>+++++>>>>++>>>>+>+>++>>+++>+>>>>+++>+>>>>+++>+>>>>+++>>++>++>+>+++>+>++>++>>>>>>++>+>+++>>>>>+++>>>++>+>+++>+>+>++>>>>>>++>>>+>>>++>+>>>>+++>+>>>+>>++>+>++++++++++++++++++>>>>+>+>>>+>>+
< 1381016574 715927 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a bug? if fungot does it, surely it must be a feature
< 1381016575 664877 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 19:05 is a funny gmt time to get to the code that implements the foo interface exports the bindings foo1, foo2 and foo3". when i reload it goes to things that exist outside the actor with unique names with the limited input/ output
< 1381016610 489940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: irc lines have a < 510 byte limit (which includes some stuff other than the message.)
< 1381016625 913772 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. Wanted to see a quine.
< 1381016630 345948 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do some compression!
< 1381016631 478720 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make one myself!
< 1381016655 57494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: fungot's ^str command is to get around that, although it's awkward to use.
< 1381016655 391049 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: though it would be something wrong otherwise. that's how i roll.
< 1381016765 227946 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf [,>][<]>[.>][<]>[.>]!test
< 1381016786 685280 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
< 1381016815 243443 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, buddy, speak to me.
< 1381016815 624825 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you can do computation with syntax-rules using cps or using other macros ( or non-hygienic low-level macros) wouldn't you have to on solaris
< 1381016844 654288 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fail to see the connection between Solaris and computation at macroexpansion time, fungot.
< 1381016845 194213 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i was just busy planning lea's demise of laidback because of its cgi infrastructure. i'm more than halfway through this, i'll be willing to change, and so
< 1381016870 537495 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see, no output for me.
< 1381016872 546270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[[.,]+]
< 1381016872 691797 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : output for me. ...
< 1381016882 902944 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[,>][<]>[.>][<]>[.>]!test
< 1381016890 537375 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no.
< 1381016892 702660 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so bad at this.
< 1381016924 512585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fungot
< 1381016925 27261 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: one more thing cl stores in symbols, right? but computing the hash value in the middle of interviewing for a job right now,
< 1381016929 270696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like it doesn't read past the NUL
< 1381016943 286936 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's definitely getting that job
< 1381016943 488130 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: makes it too easy to spot
< 1381016949 601498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if forced to use ,
< 1381016964 311612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1381016972 154437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you an ascomycete or a basidiomycete
< 1381016972 342768 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but i already wrote to marc about it.
< 1381016973 181291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[,[.,]+]
< 1381016976 230186 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want something that reads to newline and then prints it twice.
< 1381016979 313805 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :u an ascomycete or a basidiomycete ...out of time!
< 1381016988 542858 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1381016992 158776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait so... input is from the last message?
< 1381016995 723765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,.
< 1381016995 869224 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1381016997 828027 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1381016999 30030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yep
< 1381017000 861143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun
< 1381017001 6749 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :your welcome
< 1381017012 376403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++[,[.,]+]
< 1381017014 813847 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody exploit this to find fizzie's porn stash
< 1381017018 739538 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ge? ...out of time!
< 1381017053 438545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: or rather, from the last message to go beyond the space taken by the ^bf message
< 1381017071 878581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen ACTION smacks kmc
< 1381017076 53586 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :181 ++++++++++++++[>++++++>+++++>++>++++++++<<<<-]>>-----.++.<.>++++++.++++++.-.>++++.>+++.------.<<+++++++++++++++++++.++.++++++++.++++++++.>.>--.++.----------.<----------------------. [296]
< 1381017090 959613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +.>++++++++++++++[>++++++>+++++>++>++++++++<<<<-]>>-----.++.<.>++++++.++++++.-.>++++.>+++.------.<<+++++++++++++++++++.++.++++++++.++++++++.>.>--.++.----------.<----------------------.>[-]+.
< 1381017091 105220 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smacks kmc.
< 1381017095 656964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1381017098 54194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is beautiful
< 1381017112 997246 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful and smacktacular
< 1381017153 531795 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still working on it!
< 1381017236 44566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did it output a trailing period
< 1381017237 762452 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[>,]<[<]>[.>]!test
< 1381017237 907732 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1381017249 117946 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: !bf_txtgen apparently always appends a period.
< 1381017252 982419 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckers
< 1381017261 409788 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :straight up.
< 1381017271 463837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :icy hot stuntaz
< 1381017277 678818 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[>,]<[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>]!test
< 1381017277 824669 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :testtest
< 1381017292 902478 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[>,]<[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>]!,[>,]<[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>]!
< 1381017293 48028 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[>,]<[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>]!,[>,]<[<]>[.>]<[<]>[.>]!
< 1381017302 403659 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: (lol)
< 1381017312 18661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no, it appends a newline, which fungot turns into a period.
< 1381017312 762896 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or we could do it rici's way but then i have an idea for a programming language of .net". f includes extensions for working across languages, and accepts everything from c++ to pythong to perl to whatever else can tie into it.
< 1381017320 932156 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whichever!
< 1381017358 766687 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who runs EgoBot anyway, i could yell at them slash ask about txtgen's algorithm.
< 1381017374 846931 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea how, but still working!
< 1381017380 537558 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen QUIT seeya suckers
< 1381017382 785452 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :192 +++++++++++++++[>+++++>+++++>++++++++>++<<<<-]>++++++.++++.>--.+++++++++++.>>++.<-----.<<++++++++++++++++..>>++++++.<+++++++++++++.>>.<------.++.<++.++++++++.<.>>---.+.>----------------------. [687]
< 1381017403 834630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++.---.>+++++++++++++++[>+++++>+++++>++++++++>++<<<<-]>++++++.++++.>--.+++++++++++.>>++.<-----.<<++++++++++++++++..>>++++++.<+++++++++++++.>>.<------.++.<++.++++++++.<.>>---.+.>----------------------.
< 1381017404 18403 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :..QUIT seeya suckers.
< 1381017412 782459 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :smooth
< 1381017415 184439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx
< 1381017446 114699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's not txtgen's fault, EgoBot just doesn't strip the final newline from input to commands, while fungot does.
< 1381017446 389246 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hello world!"? if so, sorry, haha. i was talking about
< 1381017446 534788 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: i meant, i wrote a "quine".
< 1381017449 20169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1381017471 351877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: also you can use `interp bf_txtgen on HackEgo
< 1381017473 902307 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm willing to shift my blame to egobot.
< 1381017480 738863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp bf_txtgen test
< 1381017492 736926 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :54 +++++++++++++[>+++++++++>++++++++>><<<<-]>-.>---.<-.+. [454]
< 1381017502 456755 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run which interp
< 1381017504 584896 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/bin/interp
< 1381017510 711327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think hat didn't append the newline
< 1381017513 442293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that
< 1381017514 893641 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run file $(which interp)
< 1381017516 868354 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/bin/interp: POSIX shell script text executable
< 1381017525 125744 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++[>+++++++++>++++++++>><<<<-]>-.>---.<-.+.
< 1381017525 310367 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1381017533 345255 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan to the rescue.
< 1381017555 264324 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat $(which interp)
< 1381017557 82111 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ CMD=`echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f1` \ ARG=`echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f2-` \ exec ibin/$CMD "$ARG"
< 1381017562 815738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i've used `interp bf_txtgen to generate the long bf program for fungot's ^prefixes
< 1381017563 129037 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: phew! i did, too) has " fnord format fnord".
< 1381017572 741539 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, fungot
< 1381017573 276300 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what is the egobot?! sounds great though, must be one of the awful limitations of emacs is that it hinder the absorption of some b fnord and can lead to severe health problems.
< 1381017582 243401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i had to fix a bug in it to make it work
< 1381017584 502046 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file ibin/bf_txtgen
< 1381017586 249942 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ibin/bf_txtgen: Bourne-Again shell script text executable
< 1381017597 605477 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat ibin/bf_txtgen
< 1381017601 275819 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash \ . lib/interp \ cd interps/bf_txtgen \ \ get_arg \ java textgen -g 1000 -i "$ARG_FILE" | tail -n 2 | head -n 1 \ clean_arg
< 1381017611 472866 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I got so far is ++++++++++[>++++>++++>++++++>++++++>+++++++++>+++++++++>+++++<<<<<<<-]>+++..........>+++++>>++>+.<.<<<....>>>.<<<....>>>.<<<......>>>.<<<......>>>.<<<.........>>>.<<<..........>>>.<<<.....>>.......<.>>>>+++.<<.<<<...>>>>>>----..........
< 1381017621 377176 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only prints a fraction of it.
< 1381017621 904341 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the level of indirection here is astounding and bewildering.
< 1381017640 232937 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: the hell
< 1381017662 834462 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how any quines were ever made in this language!
< 1381017670 650097 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: you could use mine, prepended with a fixed point of txtgen (w/o the outputs)
< 1381017680 742381 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, some kind of txtgen, anyway, not this one.
< 1381017686 157430 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1381017711 183361 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There will come a time where it will be done.
< 1381017721 358288 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When? I don't know.
< 1381017726 322171 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: you could also
< 1381017728 120235 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf
< 1381017731 102241 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bam.
< 1381017746 78774 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that is cheating!
< 1381017753 518732 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo not!!
< 1381017754 512564 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any null program is automatically a quine!
< 1381017756 814329 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheating is part of the game
< 1381017765 785421 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: not in java
< 1381017766 216653 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, is that so?
< 1381017777 348127 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the empty program is valid java.
< 1381017796 26667 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not object oriented!
< 1381017799 508343 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in haskell the empty program is i think not a quine.
< 1381017805 514119 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -- dunno if this even works.
< 1381017806 592798 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : not an expression: `-- dunno if this even works.'
< 1381017814 894685 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not what i expected.
< 1381017816 148655 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :>
< 1381017817 301706 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : not an expression: `'
< 1381017820 653827 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :>
< 1381017834 707891 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shouldn't have asked.
< 1381017837 676904 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>+++++>+++>+++>+++++>+++>+++>+++++>++++++>+>++>+++>++++>++++>+++>+++>+++++>+>+ >++++>+++++++>+>+++++>+>+>+++++>++++++>+++>+++>++>+>+>++++>++++++>++++>++++>+++ >+++++>+++>+++>++++>++>+>+>+>+>++>++>++>+>+>++>+>+>++++++>++++++>+>+>++++++ >++++++>+>+>+>+++++>++++++>+>+++++>+++>+++>++++>++>+>+>++>+>+>++>++>+>+>++>++>+ >+>+>+>++>+>+>+>++++>++>++>+>+++++>++++++>+++>+++>+++>+++>+++>+++>++>+>+>+>+>++ >+>+>++++>+++>+++>+++>+++++>+>+++++>++
< 1381017845 292464 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaddaya think of that?
< 1381017852 241194 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Credit to Daniel Cristofani.
< 1381017854 642821 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo > 3 + 5
< 1381017856 645095 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 + 5
< 1381017866 635620 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it doesn't output anything...
< 1381017903 382040 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: what should that do?
< 1381017912 977144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the java textgen is not Gregor's program, he just wrote a wrapper around to run it using EgoBot's command api, which `interp invokes (at least in HackEgo)
< 1381017927 216575 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay?
< 1381017941 110360 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, wait, so
< 1381017950 582607 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the java program is also a wrapper? is that what i'm hearing here.
< 1381017975 324545 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bash script calling another script calling a java programm calling the real thing?
< 1381017982 172701 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boy, that's indirection
< 1381017994 557020 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >+++++>+++>+++>+++++>+++>+++>+++++>++++++>+>++>+++>++++>++++>+++>+++>+++++>+>+>++++>+++++++>+>+++++>+>+>+++++>++++++>+++>+++>++>+>+>++++>++++++>++++>++++>+++>+++++>+++>+++>++++>++>+>+>+>+>++>++>++>+>+>++>+>+>++++++>++++++>+>+>++++++>++++++>+>+>+>+++++>++++++>+>+++++>+++>+++>++++>++>+>+>++>+>+>++>++>+>+>++>++>+>+>+>+>++>+>+>+>++++>++>++>+>+++++>++++++>+++>+++>+++>+++>+++>+++>++>+>+>+>+>++>+>+>++++>+++>+++>+++>+++++>+>+++++>+++
< 1381018004 24770 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1381018007 302253 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: ITYM "abstraction"
< 1381018008 571058 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: that doesn't output anything
< 1381018012 86599 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: don't forget the UML part. pretty awesome.
< 1381018027 455915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: you realize you are hitting the irc line limit, right?
< 1381018040 800265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that lost kingdoms, by any chance?
< 1381018049 151273 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Thought it was a quine.
< 1381018053 511401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no
< 1381018057 175263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does look a bit like a quine
< 1381018061 323757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's getting cut off
< 1381018070 438020 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, where would I find a copy of that Lost Kingdom thing?
< 1381018077 201045 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't find it anywhere!
< 1381018120 326289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: it looks like the beginning "make a representation of the final part of the program on the tape" of a quine, but it's missing the actual final part that would print both it and the final part.
< 1381018137 165769 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p4FDCCED5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]
< 1381018142 978633 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know if I got it all.
< 1381018155 654631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381018166 574656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall reading recently someone saying that lost kingdom was hard to find.
< 1381018169 309888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: seems to be at http://web.archive.org/web/20111031121638/http://jonripley.com/i-fiction/games/LostKingdomBF.html
< 1381018198 949975 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this Brainfuck edition is significantly larger at 2.08Mb" ha.
< 1381018220 406269 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381018240 710303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: yeah, it is
< 1381018244 633838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checked
< 1381018289 773462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i don't know if the java program is a wrapper, that's not what i meant anyhow.
< 1381018316 680119 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the empty file is not a valid Haskell program because it doesn't define 'main'
< 1381018356 731805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: i am somewhat doubtful that you can fit a bf quine into a single irc line, because it's so hard to setup data compactly in bf.
< 1381018365 617825 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1381018382 692958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we need an algorithm which compresses Brainfuck using the whole of the Universal Character Set
< 1381018387 60004 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...
< 1381018389 645309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are probably five of those on the wiki already
< 1381018395 864667 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh heh.
< 1381018422 897150 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the irc length limit is by character, right? bet you could fit a lot of bits in there...
< 1381018423 772878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and being clever means expanding the part of the program that is making the decoding
< 1381018446 408280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when I was writing a 446-byte real mode demo I concluded that packers weren't worth it for this reason
< 1381018446 684299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: now decode those bits without making the program even huger.
< 1381018453 352111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I may have been insufficiently clever with my packers
< 1381018467 673827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :real mode x86 code is reasonably compact, especially if it's written by hand to be compact
< 1381018494 942114 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i just meant, using a bf that use three bit groups for commands, instead of characters.
< 1381018500 379008 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a 24-bit character could have eight commands.
< 1381018509 345890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad unicode characters are only 20.1 bits
< 1381018525 35250 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gasp
< 1381018566 541147 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 . fromIntegral . ord $ maxBound
< 1381018567 640845 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 20.087461546321563
< 1381018593 973686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the problem with trying to cheat the irc length limit with bits is that bf ignores all but it's 8 ascii command values
< 1381018599 694966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the other problem
< 1381018612 675540 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i'm not talking about ^bf!
< 1381018620 345830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1381018659 529404 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just think about how much bandwidth is wasted globally from the unused 0.91 bits.
< 1381018692 255915 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 20.087 bits enough to encode all of tungusic, hieroglyphs, and the lingua ignota? important
< 1381018833 79023 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw Finally Taking Over The World. It was a good game, especially since it was written by hand.
< 1381018861 55340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var $ \s -> s ++ show s "> var $ \\s -> s ++ show s "
< 1381018862 284913 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[a0] -> [a0]'
< 1381018862 430460 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `...
< 1381018867 46324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1381018876 243138 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about all the characters from the voynich manuscript
< 1381018882 768255 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be great
< 1381018892 643488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var $ (\s -> s ++ show s) "> var $ (\\s -> s ++ show s) "
< 1381018893 952863 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : > var $ (\s -> s ++ show s) "> var $ (\\s -> s ++ show s) "
< 1381018899 250566 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `?
< 1381018902 809480 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `?
< 1381018908 23378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2F739 VOYNICH SCRIPT SQUIGGLY THING THAT LOOKS KINDA LIKE AN EIGHT, I GUESS
< 1381018909 423369 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo quine.
< 1381018938 330555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it was transcribed to punched cards in 1940.
< 1381018972 504401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: um i'm pretty sure `? `? existed before you started.
< 1381018991 343161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and did something approximately like that
< 1381018994 718129 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. It's just wierd.
< 1381019000 544083 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird! DYAC! :-)
< 1381019008 212958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Wierd's a different language entirely
< 1381019025 968481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn DYAC
< 1381019027 81679 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "DYAC".
< 1381019034 46837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google DYAC
< 1381019035 554290 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.damnyouautocorrect.com/
< 1381019035 812922 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Damn You Auto Correct! » Funny iPhone Fails and Autocorrect Horror Stories
< 1381019047 590553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Voynich_Alphabet
< 1381019060 310785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm trying to think up a shell oneliner quine that prepends `run to itself
< 1381019090 229768 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: call it ?
< 1381019138 285061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Voynich_manuscript_bathtub2_example_78r_cropped.jpg
< 1381019171 191486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A dense continuous text interspersed with figures, mostly showing small naked women, some wearing crowns, bathing in pools or tubs connected by an elaborate network of pipes, some of them strongly reminiscent of body organs"
< 1381019200 144225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: actually `? `? did something different. `? quine did something similar.
< 1381019203 641430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quine
< 1381019206 820632 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINE `? QUINE
< 1381019227 706736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? humphrey
< 1381019229 280561 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humphrey Bogart is a cousin to Lady Di.
< 1381019279 568966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :voynich creeps me the fuck out :(
< 1381019280 548841 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, what DID `? quine do?
< 1381019376 26633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 3875
< 1381019380 802480 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1381019417 578526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quine
< 1381019419 922878 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quine
< 1381019423 194513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did this.
< 1381019513 103042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn NIMBY : Not in my backyard.
< 1381019517 465030 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1381019533 73864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i reverted the quine mess and the broken humphrey.
< 1381019562 35884 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry elliott
< 1381019568 286964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> afk
< 1381019588 428371 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1381019620 421835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's ok!!
< 1381020082 284075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/ReLcOmE
< 1381020083 368576 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeLcOmE | rainwords
< 1381020094 9878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks
< 1381020167 286774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/ / "$*" /' bin/ReLcOmE
< 1381020171 241902 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1381020178 321955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/ReLcOmE
< 1381020179 768849 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeLcOmE "$*" | rainwords
< 1381020196 270803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE bad_shell_programmers
< 1381020198 581757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1381020201 461791 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :BaD_ShElL_PrOgRaMmErS: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.)
< 1381020207 727589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ReLcOmE bad_shell_programmers
< 1381020210 540789 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :8BaD_ShElL_PrOgRaMmErS: 9wElCoMe 2tO 13ThE 6InTeRnAtIoNaL 4HuB 7FoR 8EsOtErIc 9pRoGrAmMiNg 2lAnGuAgE 13DeSiGn 6aNd 4dEpLoYmEnT! 7fOr 8mOrE 9InFoRmAtIoN, 2cHeCk 13oUt 6oUr 4wIkI: 7hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. 8(FoR 9ThE 2OtHeR 13KiNd 6oF 4EsOtErIcA, 7tRy 8#EsOtErIc 9oN 2IrC.DaL.NeT.)
< 1381020295 840486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell nortti It might be an idea to actually test commands you add to HackEgo.
< 1381020295 987428 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1381020606 615050 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, go to bed it's like 2 am
< 1381020655 117419 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on
< 1381020663 382257 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, go to bed it's like 3 am
< 1381020685 527070 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I am lashing out to cope with the fact that my sleep and food schedules have pretty much disappeared
< 1381020688 788731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw myndzi already ignores HackEgo.
< 1381020689 656469 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1381020709 529052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you mean i shouldn't have made that bet?
< 1381020726 732011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog bet.*taneb.*schedule
< 1381020754 302136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: chop chop
< 1381020756 504211 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: don't you have work or studies to force-schedule you?
< 1381020757 793261 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1381020761 887949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog bet.*taneb.*schedule
< 1381020765 959233 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen__, not till Monday
< 1381020775 108387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run q=`printf \\\\x27`; b=`printf \\\\x5c\\\\x5c\\\\x5c\\\\x5cx`; g=`printf \\\\x60`; s=`printf \\\\x3b`; d=`printf \\\\x24`; y='${g}run q=${g}printf ${b}27$g$s b=${g}printf ${b}5c${b}5c${b}5c${b}5cx$g$s g=${g}printf ${b}60$g$s s=${g}printf ${b}3b$g$s d=${g}printf ${b}24$g$s y=$q$y$q$s eval echo ${d}y'; eval echo $y
< 1381020775 253853 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-10-02.txt:00:38:10: shall we have a betting pool of how soon before Taneb's sleep schedule unravels
< 1381020776 609664 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run q=`printf \\\\x27`; b=`printf \\\\x5c\\\\x5c\\\\x5c\\\\x5cx`; g=`printf \\\\x60`; s=`printf \\\\x3b`; d=`printf \\\\x24`; y='${g}run q=${g}printf ${b}27$g$s b=${g}printf ${b}5c${b}5c${b}5c${b}5cx$g$s g=${g}printf ${b}60$g$s s=${g}printf ${b}3b$g$s d=${g}printf ${b}24$g$s y=$q$y$q$s eval echo ${d}y'; eval echo $y
< 1381020784 367347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1381020787 88697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that took a while
< 1381020799 911663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats ais523 for burying his `pastlog -----###
< 1381020801 639499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not aiming to be obfuscated or unclear in any way, it's aiming to be a by-the-book quine
< 1381020803 292691 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, my sleep schedule had already unraveled about two days before that
< 1381020810 775044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: aha.
< 1381020818 826452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, jwinslow23 isn't even here any more, so I can't show em
< 1381020828 912234 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aren't quines with eval cheating?
< 1381020839 389092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: only if they read their own source code
< 1381020855 399539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I don't think eval can be used to cheat unless you combine it with some other cheating method anyway
< 1381020857 579520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: anyway if i were to go to bed now i would need some knockout drug.
< 1381020873 535999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just using the variable definitions + eval as a method of defining a custom escaping mechanism
< 1381020877 359111 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to try and regain my sleep schedule, brb
< 1381020882 636052 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.156 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381020882 854134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I wanted to do it with only bash builtins
< 1381020940 375152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run q=`printf \\\\x27`; b=`printf
< 1381020940 520693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : \\\\x5c\\\\x5c\\\\x5c\\\\x5cx`; g=`printf \\\\x60`; s=`printf
< 1381020940 520786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : \\\\x3b`; d=`printf \\\\x24`; y='${g}run q=${g}printf
< 1381020940 520831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ${b}27$g$s b=${g}printf ${b}5c${b}5c${b}5c${b}5cx$g$s
< 1381020940 520890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : g=${g}printf ${b}60$g$s s=${g}printf ${b}3b$g$s d=${g}printf
< 1381020942 157182 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
< 1381020942 874416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ${b}24$g$s y=$q$y$q$s eval echo ${d}y'; eval echo $y
< 1381021006 972837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you irssi, the one time i _wanted_ your line joining to work...
< 1381021031 461277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run q=`printf \\\\x27`; b=`printf \\\\x5c\\\\x5c\\\\x5c\\\\x5cx`; g=`printf \\\\x60`; s=`printf \\\\x3b`; d=`printf \\\\x24`; y='${g}run q=${g}printf ${b}27$g$s b=${g}printf ${b}5c${b}5c${b}5c${b}5cx$g$s g=${g}printf ${b}60$g$s s=${g}printf ${b}3b$g$s d=${g}printf ${b}24$g$s y=$q$y$q$s eval echo ${d}y'; eval echo $y
< 1381021033 165365 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run q=`printf \\\\x27`; b=`printf \\\\x5c\\\\x5c\\\\x5c\\\\x5cx`; g=`printf \\\\x60`; s=`printf \\\\x3b`; d=`printf \\\\x24`; y='${g}run q=${g}printf ${b}27$g$s b=${g}printf ${b}5c${b}5c${b}5c${b}5cx$g$s g=${g}printf ${b}60$g$s s=${g}printf ${b}3b$g$s d=${g}printf ${b}24$g$s y=$q$y$q$s eval echo ${d}y'; eval echo $y
< 1381021060 597905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is that just my quine, or did you change it a bit?
< 1381021081 736064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the output of your quine. i just wanted to check it _hadn't_ changed :P
< 1381021154 321334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right
< 1381021162 282138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite hard to distinguish a quine from its output
< 1381021178 732881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, an earlier almost-working version had the eval and echo backwards /inside/ the quotes
< 1381021183 135958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it took me a while to spot what was wrong
< 1381021197 341471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost positive that shorter bash quines exist, anyway
< 1381021210 847000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably involving defining functions
< 1381021219 535790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps
< 1381021221 156187 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric : PID TTY TIME CMD \ 280 ? 00:00:00 init \ 282 ? 00:00:00 sh \ 284 ? 00:00:00 ps \ 285 ? 00:00:00 cat
< 1381021230 786636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps
< 1381021231 634378 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric : PID TTY TIME CMD \ 280 ? 00:00:00 init \ 282 ? 00:00:00 sh \ 285 ? 00:00:00 ps \ 286 ? 00:00:00 cat
< 1381021239 888335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping for completely different PIDs
< 1381021241 728705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that works too
< 1381021253 598142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's sh, not bash, which is why i was worried about your quine
< 1381021286 553789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that HackEgo /bin/sh thing has some awful bash inconsistencies.
< 1381021295 722921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps | tail
< 1381021297 351608 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric : PID TTY TIME CMD \ 280 ? 00:00:00 init \ 282 ? 00:00:00 sh \ 284 ? 00:00:00 bash \ 285 ? 00:00:00 cat \ 287 ? 00:00:00 ps \ 288 ? 00:00:00 tail
< 1381021304 192001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there is a bash
< 1381021318 691307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's ok then
< 1381021367 602762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it'd work fine in sh too
< 1381021371 399190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just printf isn't a builtin in sh
< 1381021377 625583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it wouldn't be done entirely with builtins
< 1381021832 765137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1381023665 594065 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381024059 744863 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381024283 375734 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1381024312 219300 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381024316 531821 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1381024346 741531 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1381026887 118308 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381027763 580673 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen__
< 1381029532 833540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we have a {{wayback}} template, by the way
< 1381029545 154820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought we did
< 1381029549 880446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has to link to an older version than the latest
< 1381029553 348426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't sure if that was doable
< 1381029553 913489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it supports that :)
< 1381029556 126046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just copy-pasted the URL
< 1381029570 944421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and figured that someone would correct me if they wanted to (only I thought it'd be oerjan not you)
< 1381029598 685079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan can do the actual edit.
< 1381030386 588001 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are too many people in computers just for the money. It's a damn shame that computers are “respected” now. ☯89MAR
< 1381031562 509549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is that form 1989?
< 1381031565 237090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from
< 1381031573 853390 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1381032304 467764 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381033724 807269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kids / lawn
< 1381033832 120226 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice to know that these people predate, like, me.
< 1381033903 169242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't you rather prefer not to be predated upon
< 1381033904 183322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I on the other hand was a whole year old in March '89
< 1381033918 265407 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good point
< 1381034333 503478 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it called if you use a pastebin or tiny URL service to write it down on a small paper to recover it later (for your own use)?
< 1381034345 36780 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bikeism
< 1381034722 453554 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: cloud computing
< 1381034783 72309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I mean this specific instance (and it doesn't contain anything private/secret)
< 1381036926 579280 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1381038339 998257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: someone wants to know if you are going to NIPS
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< 1381044475 325269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not. I think some colleagues are.
< 1381045012 409916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1381045352 208672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I can't believe someone hasn't noticed that bug earlier, if it has been there. Maybe my latest bugfix somehow broke that.
< 1381045352 390448 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1381045466 270132 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brainfuckery?
< 1381045537 859346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1381045586 602292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, I no longer understand the fix.
< 1381045638 610047 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1381045738 699893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposed to put a 0 after the isolated command options, though.
< 1381045749 879995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even done with STRN's "P", which should make that foolproof.
< 1381045962 499359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :123456789012345678901234567890
< 1381045965 219399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]
< 1381045965 364786 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :12345678901234567890
< 1381045967 427340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :123456789012345678901234567890
< 1381045968 955747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!
< 1381045973 634759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm.
< 1381046007 78218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it needs to do something to the input line pointer when there is no !.
< 1381046104 188698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think I see what happens.
< 1381046163 667016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposed to put a reference to the \0 at the end of the message when there is no !, but I think it has an off-by-one error, because it runs the same 1+ that bumps the number to one past the !.
< 1381046171 492694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's an easy fix.
< 1381046244 541249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^reload
< 1381046244 786052 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reloaded.
< 1381046249 630227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :123456789012345678901234567890
< 1381046252 300192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]
< 1381046257 307971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we: go.
< 1381046362 529702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fix committed, for all you other fungot operators.
< 1381046362 743385 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: almost as sluggish as my brain right now.)
< 1381046384 319754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Come now, it was just two more instructions and it's even executed only for a ^bf.
< 1381046384 595796 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the ' repl orientation' is standard in " sessions" in servlets.
< 1381046393 772768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I "see".
< 1381046393 918515 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: doing what?-)
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< 1381046997 217896 :asie_!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl NICK :asie
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< 1381047647 55443 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.250 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381050787 612444 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381053735 352745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ticket changed: * priority: minor => critical
< 1381053751 193025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I favour priority inheritance as my method to solve priority inversions on my bug tracker
< 1381053785 859774 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381053879 183760 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow I'm getting some players together and I'm gonna DM a game of Diana: Warrior Princess
< 1381054613 21536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :wishlist => urgent
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< 1381055582 28096 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu NICK :augur
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< 1381067167 719760 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, one of my flatmates has taught me a bit more KSP
< 1381067233 637592 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"firey bit points away from space"
< 1381067626 366264 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well this is interesting, vlc is only displaying the red channel when playing mp4... I'll test some other video players.
< 1381067705 593110 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY!? mplayer is displaying the red and the blue channel, but nothing else
< 1381067815 423598 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay it is the xv backend that is broken, using opengl + software decoding works...
< 1381067950 989455 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect the GPU drivers, they are somewhat recently updated
< 1381068913 548918 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.69 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381070303 92001 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1381070455 80293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If VLC was displaying red and mplayer blue and green, maybe you could've gotten a working video by translucently composing VLC and mplayer on top of each other.
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< 1381071316 355799 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right, but mplayer was red and blue though
< 1381071347 286446 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, switching the backend from xvideo to opengl worked
< 1381071411 525908 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.250 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381071809 757782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a sunset: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130929-sunset.jpg
< 1381071815 433128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We've been sorting the digital pile of photos accumulated over the summer, to show friends and relatives; hence this and the flower before.)
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< 1381072707 980875 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quine
< 1381072714 39393 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quine
< 1381072719 47767 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...How?
< 1381072752 894449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By writing "`? quine" in wisdom/quine, presumably.
< 1381072781 227163 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only got it to say "quine `? quine".
< 1381072812 263155 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/quine
< 1381072813 649909 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quine
< 1381072817 993934 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy.
< 1381072819 814871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get it to say things that don't being with the word itself by manipulating files in wisdom/ directly.
< 1381072856 20450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's just `learn that can't do it.)
< 1381072865 447702 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/reversal
< 1381072866 731454 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: wisdom/reversal: No such file or directory
< 1381072892 217550 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to write it there?
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< 1381072932 677112 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1381072933 48842 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE
< 1381072936 358810 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.)
< 1381072977 82599 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo lasrever > wisdom/reversal
< 1381072980 653474 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just linux.
< 1381072982 160640 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1381073018 316665 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know Linux. Have a PC.
< 1381073048 610887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux does run on various kinds of PCs.
< 1381073060 223018 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never used Linux.
< 1381073061 653786 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on a potato
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< 1381074027 144706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only 32% of wisdom entries begin with the entry name.
< 1381078923 597068 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wow, really? X-D
< 1381078930 272833 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes `learn seem rather silly.
< 1381079303 336241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disclaimer: statistic is an approximation generated with a cd wisdom; find . -type f | cut -c 3- | while read f; do if head -c ${#f} -- "$f" | grep -qF -- "$f"; then echo yes; else echo no; fi; done | sort | uniq -c except locally because it was timing out.
< 1381079337 810050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was correct for a couple of spot-checked entries, but could have issues.)
< 1381079390 982270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems it doesn't do lowercasing correctly.
< 1381079425 160336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :63% are `learn-compatible, after correcting for that.
< 1381079483 778685 :^v!~DerpHerp@71.238.152.180 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381080258 549540 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bc
< 1381080260 317015 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381080261 459382 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bc ௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵
< 1381080302 852528 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bird
< 1381080304 746931 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bird bird bird bird
< 1381080312 37767 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ramen
< 1381080313 666235 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :拉麵是一種類型的麵條縫製從原始樹木。
< 1381080327 404871 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? right
< 1381080329 764491 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right is not two wrongs but three lefts.
< 1381080372 531711 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj
< 1381080374 673387 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj is the reason why the USA don't use the metric system.
< 1381080424 827211 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ursala
< 1381080426 968884 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :~&al?\~&ar ~&aa^&~&afahPRPfafatPJPRY+ ~&farlthlriNCSPDPDrlCS2DlrTS2J,^|J/~& ~&rt!=+ ^= ~&s+ ~&H(-+.|=&lrr;,|=&lrl;,|=≪+-, ~&rgg&& ~&irtPFXlrjrXPS; ~&lrK2tkZ2g&& ~&llrSL2rDrlPrrPljXSPTSL)+-,
< 1381080468 387580 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wercome
< 1381080470 971895 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ!詳しく、ウィキを見て: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。(他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ)
< 1381080498 362025 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if "Ramen noodles are a type of sewing from the original trees." is a faithful translation or simply poorly translated by google
< 1381080504 88594 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? piet
< 1381080506 372550 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ 6Piet 4is 7a 8really 9colorful 2programming 13language.
< 1381080518 910447 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? neit
< 1381080521 231048 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :neit? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381080531 373100 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brainfuck
< 1381080533 302983 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs.
< 1381080565 180112 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings of croissant
< 1381080567 190291 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381080576 207050 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah!
< 1381080629 626697 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hthmonoids
< 1381080631 731962 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hthmonoids hthmonoids hthmonoids hthmonoids hthmonoids hthmonoids ...
< 1381080662 604012 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? log
< 1381080664 246954 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you might mean !logs
< 1381080669 500809 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? logs
< 1381080671 458273 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1113I05 08thin13k13 y09o10u06 05m02i12g08h05t14 m03ea10n08 02!11l06og09s11
< 1381080681 264676 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, the wisdom is mostly in the pdf
< 1381080685 831892 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to take up the channe
< 1381080686 775091 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :l
< 1381080697 119820 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or you could use pms of course)
< 1381080855 996124 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Click on the follwing link.
< 1381080863 356766 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wercome
< 1381080865 483380 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ!詳しく、ウィキを見て: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。(他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ)
< 1381080948 191919 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1381081246 126814 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.divshot.com/geo-bootstrap/#
< 1381081319 665218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks very authentic.
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< 1381081577 215813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you add some `? file for other esolangs such as Underload and Checkout? Perhaps also such thing as FurryScript?
< 1381081703 383903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also add P.D.Q Bach is INTERCAL of Baroque music.
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< 1381084006 560066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There’s one more magic control key that switches your whole reality. This is ^W, which switches between the ships in a pier. Do you have multiple ships in your pier? Sure - you still have your old submarine."
< 1381084010 564894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all so very strange.
< 1381085407 235810 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381085620 99484 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
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< 1381089098 674723 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wecome
< 1381089100 998285 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :wecome? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381089113 821612 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? icame
< 1381089115 574891 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :icame? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381089160 662354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn wecome in pece.
< 1381089165 919350 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1381089212 722142 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does he say that?
< 1381089216 349960 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? learn
< 1381089217 745906 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381089229 795593 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wecome in pece
< 1381089231 641255 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :wecome in pece? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381089241 138261 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wecome
< 1381089242 933763 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :wecome in pece.
< 1381089287 377376 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1381089338 260228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a "whimsical" acknowledgement from `learn.
< 1381090763 915583 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1381090825 748383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :UVB-76, UVB-76. 75-59-75-59. 39-52-53-58. 5-5-2-5. Konstantin-1-9-0-9-0-8-9-8-Tatiana-Oksana-Anna-Elena-Pavel-Schuka. Konstantin 8-4. 9-7-5-5-9-Tatiana. Anna Larisa Uliyana-9-4-1-4-3-4-8
< 1381090859 834777 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1381090912 509337 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UVB-76
< 1381090953 237213 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1381091137 464488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like this numbers station because it transmits an annoying buzz 24/7 but apparently this is generated by having a microphone in the room and a buzzing box nearby
< 1381091461 458895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the buzzing is probably just to ensure the frequency is always available by annoying anyone else who tries to use it
< 1381091541 844067 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also it occurred to me that an air gap would be desirable if you're connecting cryptographic equipment to a radio transmitter
< 1381091569 429129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hey, I was just reading about that a few weeks ago!
< 1381091625 599100 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I were a plain russian scientist measuring stuff in the ionosphere with a buzzer I'd probably be thrilled about all the myth surrounding that thing
< 1381091632 267813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1381091646 556835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can ask some HAARP scientists about that
< 1381091710 960319 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia has a "see also" from UVB-76 to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand_(nuclear_war) which I'm not sure is justifed by any evidence, but is a creepy connection to draw anyway
< 1381091712 179829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading about Urbit reminded me of elliott somewhat.
< 1381091749 645199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I read the original Urbit stuff years ago, so yeah.
< 1381091763 108098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not quite crazy enough though :(
< 1381091783 56855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seemed quite crazy, absolutely speaking.
< 1381091947 326494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"At DEFCON 2 or higher, the Looking Glass pilot and co-pilot were both required to wear an eye patch, retrieved from their Emergency War Order (EWO) kit. In the event of a surprise blinding flash from a nuclear detonation, the eye patch would prevent blindness in the covered eye, thus enabling them to see in at least one eye and continue flying."
< 1381091949 682400 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After the prelude, there is usually an announcement of the number of number-groups in the message, the page to be used from the one-time pad, or other pertinent information. "
< 1381091975 212633 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They actually say on those things "Use page 12 of the one-time pad"? Or is the OTP page thing just a guess?
< 1381092005 34462 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's basically "in case of nuclear war, fire missiles using remaining eye"
< 1381092020 835937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I think it's a guess
< 1381092029 296176 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the impression that the thing itself (urbit) is significantly less crazy than the descriptions of it
< 1381092065 349794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In related news, I like how github's "number of commits" splines in a single-week graph go below 0 when there's something non-zero next to two consecutive zeros.
< 1381092071 540812 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: have you heard the Conet Project recordings: https://ia600500.us.archive.org/12/items/ird059/
< 1381092085 108142 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure the nice curvy lines are pretty, but the interpolation makes no sense.
< 1381092124 798040 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am suddenly less certain that I am not on drugs
< 1381092287 630765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I am suddenly less certain that I am not on drugs
< 1381092291 946568 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1116) I am suddenly less certain that I am not on drugs
< 1381092371 978049 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are intelligent organisations so obsessed with making their secret transmissions sound creepy
< 1381092392 9293 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I like the fact that someone has thought that stuff through and come up with procedures for it (re looking glass pilots)
< 1381092486 643176 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the low-techness of the eye patch is a nice bonus, but apparently they replaced them with fancy goggles later)
< 1381092531 353739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame the fancy goggle industrial complex
< 1381092535 561831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uvb-76.net/p/triangulation.html this map looks pretty cool.
< 1381092597 611009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow apparently there is a Freenode channel about UVB-76 and numbers stations generally
< 1381092600 603818 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#priyom
< 1381092673 289541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, the Buzzer is nicely audible over that WebSDR thing.
< 1381092815 57885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Name : UVB-76
< 1381092815 242476 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genre : Ambient, Russian, Experimental
< 1381093156 594382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A client-side morse decoder is one thing they should maybe add to WebSDR for casual users.)
< 1381093188 275467 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you wish the world was like the mercator projection
< 1381093195 173931 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :with massive icy wastes to the north and south
< 1381093526 587401 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1381093535 552779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in DEFCON the missiles look like they're curving up into the atmosphere but they actually curve north on the rectangular map
< 1381093542 207925 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's better to put your antimissile stations in the north
< 1381093567 9331 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really if you're not playing US vs USSR on a polar map then wtf are you doing
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< 1381096164 23743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud
< 1381096164 169260 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 14h 6m 51s ago: I can't believe someone hasn't noticed that bug earlier, if it has been there. Maybe my latest bugfix somehow broke that.
< 1381096291 518960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went and fixed that thing.
< 1381096305 34991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo testing
< 1381096305 222866 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing testing
< 1381096306 51521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't seem to be related to the earlier fix.
< 1381096325 110418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1381096349 911174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly people had just not tried input without ! all that much.
< 1381096399 757326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well good job
< 1381096410 83802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the bug?
< 1381096493 554761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ^bf without ! would use parts of previous messages as input
< 1381096748 526626 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1381096924 912774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, the part that was supposed to set the bf input data index to point at the 0 at the end of the ^bf command instead set it to one past that zero. (Where there was the tail end of whatever previous message longer than the command was.)
< 1381097581 66154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Oh wow I'm getting some players together and I'm gonna DM a game of Diana: Warrior Princess <-- ooh
< 1381097581 250363 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1381097620 606020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never played that, but it's one of the most hilarious tabletop RPG concepts i've heard of
< 1381097747 49719 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, my When interpreter can succesfuly execute a previously parsed When program
< 1381097762 201398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1381097764 846009 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning to use ocamllex and ocamlyacc is a task for another day
< 1381097887 828453 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is your Bag language significantly different than the simple "fractran with token multisets substituted for prime decompositions" it originally was?
< 1381097907 297417 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :subsidiary question, is any version of Bag implemented?
< 1381098065 490426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no.
< 1381098075 417365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the second question, that is.
< 1381098111 793645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever i think about implementing it, i get hung up in how to split up actual numbers given.
< 1381098194 501617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this clever algorithm which doesn't need to actually prime factor, but i'm not sure if it's efficient if there are a lot of numbers.
< 1381098210 433607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i procrastinate before even getting to implement that part.
< 1381098237 195241 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers? prime factors? so there not just token lists?
< 1381098249 17850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: you can use either tokens or numbers freely.
< 1381098258 629630 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/there/they're :(
< 1381098263 270220 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok
< 1381098290 977340 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you use both simultaneously?
< 1381098301 561192 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in multiplying numbers by token lists
< 1381098328 925327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's ideally supposed to treat numbers effectively as if they were factored, but then i thought "what is someone puts in an RSA public key to be annoying" and then i thought up my unimplemented algorithm.
< 1381098335 428078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1381098415 301933 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you don't need to actually prime factor every number, you just need to check if n is a multiple of the denominator, right?
< 1381098438 747843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because you cannot expect to able to factor an RSA public key in general)
< 1381098465 50147 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I'm very patient
< 1381098481 622186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: well it's supposed to still be efficient if a huge prime gets raised to a large power
< 1381098520 833703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it should handle things that are too large as ordinary bignums
< 1381098525 553871 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you don't need to actually compute the result of the multiplication
< 1381098548 506321 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so numbers are hybrids, half-factored, half-notfactored
< 1381098560 859565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway my algorith is a factorization algorithm, it's just not a _prime_ factorization algorithm.
< 1381098567 695478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*algorithm
< 1381098584 626346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it factorizes numbers "enough"
< 1381098589 822504 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea what the subtle difference is
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< 1381098640 261844 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, I want to code a text adventure of my own in BF. Anyone know how to do that (preferably by hand)?
< 1381098645 454583 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't factor *more* than down to prime decomposition, and factoring less is just "going half through with prime factoring"
< 1381098665 133377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: it's like you're asking us what tools to use and simultaneously saying you don't want to use any tools
< 1381098683 318743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: basically say you have this huge RSA public key that is pq for a large number. if no part of the program has a different number of p's and q's then you don't _need_ to factor those separately.
< 1381098687 160108 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, but Taking Over The World was written by hand!
< 1381098693 265864 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Know what?
< 1381098701 567257 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me tools if you can find any, OK?
< 1381098707 290899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because everything is of the form (pq)^n * things not containing p or q
< 1381098708 286789 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please.
< 1381098734 266925 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1381098758 350153 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: have you ever written a text adventure?
< 1381098769 616757 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's why I want to know how.
< 1381098788 445912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you _do_ have both pq and pq^2 say, in the program, then my algorithm can split them up.
< 1381098824 536502 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you think it would be more interesting to write a *regular* text adventure first, then only move on to writing a text adventure using brainfuck?
< 1381098845 286243 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I will. Thanks!
< 1381098860 742314 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome, I guess
< 1381098867 380899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(first it notices that gcd(pq,pq^2) = pq, and then that pq^2 / pq = q, so now you have q.)
< 1381098895 866039 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm 'kay
< 1381098904 826663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then everything gets hideously complicated if there are lots of factors to split out.
< 1381098961 262727 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I will tell you when the text adventure is done. Until then, I'm out!
< 1381098964 597352 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1381098994 770913 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm gonna write a Bag interpreter that only accept token multisets
< 1381098996 548881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o
< 1381099006 270423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: ok
< 1381099027 547734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i cannot stop you. unless i nuke the eiffel tower.
< 1381099057 266870 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you're warning me first, that kinda ruins the point
< 1381099067 788359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively you could just handle small numbers.
< 1381099077 283446 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's another possibility
< 1381099241 811822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What text adventure game do you want to write?
< 1381099249 123339 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm afraid he's left
< 1381099266 335967 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.69 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1381099841 288890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'He quotes Zheleznyakov on the purpose of Perimeter being "to cool down all these hotheads and extremists. No matter what was going to happen, there still would be revenge."'
< 1381099939 598557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what's scarier, the fact that these people thought a robot programmed to automatically kill everyone on the planet would have a calming effect, or the possibility that they were right
< 1381100030 849715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only semi-automatic, afaik?
< 1381100033 827144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you use two channels on 8253 PIT with the output of one connected to the gate of another, to make more kind of square waves and other stuff output?
< 1381100045 148 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that what cold war was all about?
< 1381100107 621683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that is needed to thwart that scheme is a genuine omnicidal maniac.
< 1381100109 80546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also says something about the human psyche that we place a high value on revenge even if it comes after we and everyone we know are dead
< 1381100123 567382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's a cool idea
< 1381100128 160632 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make a musical instrument out of a PIT
< 1381100209 56849 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be fun to list the top 250 channels on Freenode and then cluster them based on shared membership
< 1381100212 686854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if someone has done this
< 1381100422 708952 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, er, isn't the point more the prospect of revenge?
< 1381100530 284575 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Perimeter that huge doomsday ship that was proposed but rejected?
< 1381100533 514773 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that something else?
< 1381100540 559453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1381100545 950747 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're thinking of project pluto?
< 1381100576 225837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the idea here is that human commanders who detect a (possibly false) enemy launch will be less likely to retaliate immediately if they know that Perimeter / Dead Hand will avenge them after their deaths
< 1381100606 701969 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, it was a Russian thing
< 1381100623 86899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he's arguing that it would have a calming effect on their own commanders, in addition to detering the enemy
< 1381100626 92722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is interesting
< 1381100666 706117 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1381100730 893033 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking for Sgeo's thing, found this http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/09/soviet-doomsday/
< 1381100753 27687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how it makes absolutely no effort to distinguish between doctor strangelove's doomsday device and the real one
< 1381101050 329773 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I make at execute a command as root?
< 1381101124 556024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could run 'at' as root
< 1381101134 382344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or your command could be 'sudo whatever' assuming you have nopasswd sudo
< 1381101257 895918 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm only doing this to turn my computer into a fancy alarm clock then turn itself off so I don't get distracted)
< 1381102156 409169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is it tomorrow (well, today) they start revealing nobel prizes
< 1381102338 270685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool so I'll get more opportunities to complain about how the "Nobel Prize" in Economics is bullshit
< 1381102343 233406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1381102349 360889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love doing that
< 1381102375 753018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only next monday though
< 1381102401 817286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they haven't decided when to announce literature yet...
< 1381102414 252123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they _really_ couldn't agree this year.
< 1381102598 731774 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, do tell us now
< 1381102620 913575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good year for literature?
< 1381102624 47474 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bad?
< 1381102665 441800 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, because it's actually Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel
< 1381102696 11628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah Nobel had nothing to do with it, the Swedish central bank just decided to start awarding a prize "in memory of Nobel" around the same time as the real Nobel prizes
< 1381102715 43350 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin swedes amirite
< 1381102720 168021 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 70 years after the real prizes were set up
< 1381102734 341867 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a little sleazy if you ask me
< 1381102759 751142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I will also award some prizes in memory of Alfred Nobel
< 1381102791 438159 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are the prizes funded? I know it was originally from Nobel's money, but... that money isn't lasting forever, is it?
< 1381102807 934144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of endowments is that they last forever (you only spend the interest)
< 1381102812 683753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dunno
< 1381102833 765720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the foundation had $560 million as of 2007
< 1381102880 262668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they give out five * $1.2 million each year?
< 1381102900 632294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they only need like a 1% return, which should be easy
< 1381102928 821913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the expenses of managing that money and awarding the prizes could easily surpass the prize money itself
< 1381102972 846155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention the gold medals themselves...
< 1381102990 217409 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381103005 59991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just noticed PH's username is phantomho
< 1381103394 449885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wercome
< 1381103397 123866 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ!詳しく、ウィキを見て: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。(他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ)
< 1381103508 56255 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really
< 1381103516 892661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome
< 1381103518 955706 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1381103550 432228 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo should have a command to translate stuff using Bing or whoever still has an API
< 1381103643 932803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does _anyone_ see the first message as a link leading to http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page%E3%80%82%EF%BC%88%E4%BB%96%E3%81%AE%E3%82%A8%E3%82%BD%E3%83%86%E3%83%AA%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%E3%80%81irc.dal.net%E3%81%AE
< 1381103655 397611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as having
< 1381103670 144333 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see your line as a highlight (hth)
< 1381103693 859394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am slightly guessing jwinslow23 did. since he made it.
< 1381103699 943881 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should also have EUC-JP and Shift-JIS versions
< 1381103739 632644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you're welcome to repair bin/translatefromto
< 1381103765 738058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /tmp/x.out: No such file or directory
< 1381103770 239158 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops
< 1381103776 644687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1381103788 259550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was supposed to be
< 1381103790 451039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ƥåץߥΥǥȥǥץȤιݤʾؤ褦ܤơhttp://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page¾Υƥåirc.dal.net#esotericء
< 1381103813 806956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a better way than /exec -out to send non-UTF8 to the channel
< 1381103824 203214 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of stroken out Ys
< 1381103837 565315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ܕMI9ED|ys01(!l+ǟvGy☱C{
< 1381103852 732222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1381103893 379126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:57:04 -interactive: Creates a query-like window item. Text written to it is
< 1381103896 399183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:57:04 sent to executed process, like /EXEC -in.
< 1381103902 742119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can literally use irssi to talk to a REPL
< 1381103911 600037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1381103945 677109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, i already have a suitable tmux window now
< 1381103947 172390 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we already knew how to do that in #irp
< 1381104042 304043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there should be a mode to send the text only if it quits with exit code 0
< 1381104064 982950 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.250 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381104798 726754 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381105577 718303 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1381105912 613880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess your IRC client / terminal / whatever doesn't know about non-ASCII spaces
< 1381105942 772347 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er actually there isn't a space there
< 1381105986 703829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hm? it's not my client. my client doesn't make links anyhow.
< 1381106031 752161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you were asking if anyone saw something that you don't see?
< 1381106044 688511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but jwinslow23 made a page on esolang that looks like it came from that message.
< 1381106073 731200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah.
< 1381106100 444062 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381106309 19840 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 QUIT :Quit: impomatic
< 1381106705 909707 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: work
< 1381107101 552350 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend to make it so that there is four kind of line prefixes (there is also lines with no prefix), meaning: assembly language, SQL, text, preformatted text. What could be the prefix characters to indicate these things?
< 1381107413 912010 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a, s, t, f?
< 1381107468 29273 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell are you doing
< 1381107470 887123 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't use letters; I should use a punctuation, other than those used by the basic format that can occur at the start of the line.
< 1381107503 88114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ) } ] and >
< 1381107508 703454 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!?.:
< 1381107515 128991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles evilly
< 1381107521 380482 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+-*/
< 1381107559 873182 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys don't even try
< 1381107577 171259 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far I think your idea of !?.: is best
< 1381107603 275961 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :_-=+
< 1381107669 386781 :hypha!~hypha@93.158.64.201 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1381107774 52593 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was gonna go for _ = ≡ but I didn't have a quadruple-bar symbol on my keyboard
< 1381107792 836842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have either; I have to use only ASCII symbols.
< 1381107804 221959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and furthermore, only printable ASCII symbols)
< 1381110634 161322 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, I come across random IRC snippets
< 1381110637 708303 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and omg I find kmc
< 1381110641 150560 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and guess what he's talking about!
< 1381110642 959715 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1381110662 213592 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust?
< 1381110670 445262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot guess it very well.
< 1381110671 219482 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got the vowel right
< 1381110672 862902 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know?
< 1381110723 363791 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381110867 90080 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does space count as printable?
< 1381110913 397049 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider space a printable character.
< 1381110928 747884 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't do anything besides advancing the cursor and painting stuff.
< 1381111092 874696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes space does count as printable (as far as I am concerned), but it doesn't count here because the space would be ignored even before the prefix symbol; this way you can make it in a indented block rather than having to move it to the first column to make it messy.
< 1381111129 635790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have the stats for the big leech so that we can downgrade it to make the stats for the small one too?
< 1381111206 64998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: maybe this? http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Black_Leech_(3.5e_Creature)
< 1381111268 459674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will look later, but is it suitable to downgrade to make the small one?
< 1381111277 522086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Right now I have another program open instead)
< 1381111290 959736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually says "small animal"
< 1381111322 800730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A black leech, often called blood devil, is an about 3 feet long, 1 feet thick creature with a completely, inky black skin. It weighs about 40 pounds and is parasitic."
< 1381111331 843399 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose if the ordinary rules are used to change it to "tiny animal" then it might work
< 1381111403 956766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it was my first google hit for '"leech" d&d' (i put leech in quotes because google seemed to want it to be lich instead), there may be other hits.
< 1381111452 64337 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, lemme complain about... the universe or something.
< 1381111500 386277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i have a hunch the others on the first page are spells and powers.
< 1381111503 127958 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381111519 894981 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, there's Haskell. It's described as "the simply typed lambda calculus with tons and tons of syntactic sugar on top". It's pretty much one of the fundamental programming languages of the universe.
< 1381111537 927589 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :legend has it that the sun was developed in haskell
< 1381111543 757440 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably.
< 1381111557 828047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe. However the purpose of such a thing I ask is for use as a familiar and other things.
< 1381111618 955912 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No,no,no
< 1381111620 49367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, the link i gave was for a creature.
< 1381111625 363026 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck is the most fundamental language
< 1381111627 530720 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I once pondered, what would Haskell be like if values couldn't be duplicated or discarded? A lot of stuff would become easier; instead of having monadic I/O, you could have functions taking a World and returning a World.
< 1381111631 885355 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything else is a dialect of Brainfuck
< 1381111636 935365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes I know that you said "small animal" which is implying that.
< 1381111637 155600 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except for INTERCAL
< 1381111645 949512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: http://xkcd.com/224/
< 1381111654 166530 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we talking about animals, I bet animals are way more interesting than Platonism.
< 1381111661 184888 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: uniqueness types?
< 1381111661 482685 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out that, like Haskell is in some sense equivalent to intuitionistic logic, there's another sort of logic, linear logic, that would be equivalent to Haskell-without-duplicating-or-discarding.
< 1381111692 287848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I do like to make up some spell/power too, such as, "Kjugobe's Timer", and magic items such as the magic pair balls which allow you to know the distance between them and teleport the other one to you while you are holding one.)
< 1381111700 385880 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381111736 372805 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: something like that. In this language, uniqueness would be enforced *everywhere*; you'd need special markers or whatever in order to do something that doesn't obey it.
< 1381111742 591630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: btw haskell isn't simply typed, it's polymorphic with its own heap of extensions to hindley-milner types.
< 1381111766 714550 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how far does Haskell 98 extend HM types?
< 1381111798 392074 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it turns out some people have created programming languages based on linear logic. I've looked at them, and I don't really like any of them. So I decided to try to create a programming language that's pretty much Haskell, but linear.
< 1381111818 923525 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it going?
< 1381111819 564410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: also look at Clean, which is the very-similar-to-an-older-brother-of-haskell-using-unique-types-instead-of-IO-monads-although-you-_can_-define-monads-if-you-want language.
< 1381111824 26657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will write down the creature stats you gave me so that I can remember it for later in order to downgrade it.
< 1381111853 969485 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm calling it Hylisk. As far as I can think, I have it totally worked out, except for a few unimportant details, like what members its None class would have.
< 1381111918 807985 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Hylisk and Haskell are almost completely identical, right? Hylisk is also purely functional, with lambdas and applying and algebraic data types and pattern matching and all that jazz.
< 1381111945 474332 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet, I've put hours and hours of thought into the idea of compiling Hylisk into Haskell, and I just can't find a way to do it that makes any sense.
< 1381111974 166720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: well the first haskell extension was type classes. then the classes were allowed to be type constructors instead of just types, which allowed e.g. Monad. since then it has got all kinds of weird stuff, type families, multiparameter type classes, rank n types, existential types, and lately kind polymorphism and automatic raising of types to kinds...
< 1381111998 167866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the class members were
< 1381111999 197039 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: A lot of these Haskell extension are useful.
< 1381112006 695544 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when does Haskell 98 have type families?
< 1381112025 335228 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Have you been working on an implementation?
< 1381112037 819514 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, type constructors and classes are definitely extensions, I think.
< 1381112050 329691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Do you have the other details too?
< 1381112070 349744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: haskell 98 isn't the latest standard. almost everything beyong class type constructors isn't included in that. not that haskell 2010 added any type extensions that i recall.
< 1381112072 699845 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: not really; I want to write a compiler, not an interpreter, but I have no idea how a compiler would work.
< 1381112079 129203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*beyond
< 1381112092 910268 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *nod* I'm just looking to copy Haskell 98 at the moment.
< 1381112096 352707 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Would System F be useful?
< 1381112102 827974 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the other details about what? The type system, or the entire language?
< 1381112118 25557 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could compile down to the same dialect of System F that Haskell uses, and then use GHC's infrastructure from there on
< 1381112127 433722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Both.
< 1381112129 215378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: with all the changes they've done in the basic libraries i'm not even sure ghc _supports_ haskell 98 any more.
< 1381112149 656243 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: the thing is, Hylisk types don't translate cleanly into Haskell types, at least not in any way I've discovered.
< 1381112163 255537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the removal of superclasses on Num would be the biggest inconsistency, i think.
< 1381112165 424428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you have to replace (Num a) constraints with (Num a, Show a, Eq a), everything else is "fine" if you use the haskell98 base library afaik
< 1381112168 451357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and -XHaskell98
< 1381112178 265034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course Applicative => Monad is happening and will ruin everything.
< 1381112182 183034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by unruining everything
< 1381112188 319379 :Guest35587!~simpleirc@pool-108-12-44-234.syrcny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381112190 483484 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best idea I've come up with so far is to have a Haskell type called HyliskValue and make everything be that.
< 1381112217 733393 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like throwing types away
< 1381112219 105886 :Guest35587!~simpleirc@pool-108-12-44-234.syrcny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1381112219 512488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: what did i do now
< 1381112222 444233 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: right.
< 1381112229 462048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: look at https://github.com/isomorphism/Delineate.
< 1381112248 441535 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, I guess there are some other details I've thought of that I haven't decided what to do about. And, undoubtedly, some other details I've completely forgotten about.
< 1381112309 181078 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I think rather than trying to map types to types, you just create your own type system
< 1381112317 4321 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which you probably are already doing
< 1381112341 512339 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if you say it's still typed lambda calculus, you should be able to compile down to that
< 1381112368 694233 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've looked at that, and I feel like I ultimately dismissed it for some reason. Now I don't remember why I dismissed it. Maybe I didn't have a good reason.
< 1381112464 287034 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: well, here's one rough spot that Hylisk has. In Hylisk, there's a type for functions that don't return: a function of type "a -> Done" takes "a", and then doesn't return. Now, there's a function cancel :: ((a -> Done) -> Done) -> a.
< 1381112491 616594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it just makes a lie of the promise the haskell 98 report made that programs made according to it should expect to be supported long after new standards had arrived.
< 1381112504 778694 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cancel" takes a function f. It then creates a new function g, and passes g into f. Then it waits for f to call g, and grabs the argument to g and returns it.
< 1381112539 43172 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what's the point of a function that doesn't return, except side-effects? but I thought Hylisk was purely functional and that would mean there are no side-effects...
< 1381112630 240293 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: well, there are ways that data can get out of a function besides being returned.
< 1381112655 905691 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :show me the way
< 1381112702 74843 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right. You might really hate this syntax. If so, I apologize.
< 1381112711 141199 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1381112718 963759 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example: ((\y -> y 3) \x) -> x
< 1381112737 73458 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what, that example can be simplified.
< 1381112741 167871 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example: (\x 3) -> x
< 1381112755 360040 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Hylisk, \x is a function that binds x to its argument, and doesn't return.
< 1381112764 667071 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So (\x 3) -> x evaluates to 3.
< 1381112788 950296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they have any relations to linear logic?
< 1381112797 442597 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting
< 1381112804 701093 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's "assign 3 to x"?
< 1381112809 116052 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the stuff that I just described? Yeah, absolutely; it's completely inspired by linear logic.
< 1381112813 629714 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds *a lot* like a side-effect
< 1381112818 17703 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: it does, yeah.
< 1381112827 898318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a zero, one, top, and bottom types? What do they do, if so?
< 1381112859 323577 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds really impure, but isn't. There's no way to do destructive modifications. Evaluating the same expression twice always gives you the same answer.
< 1381112897 979599 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :destructive as in irreversible?
< 1381112934 971223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see google front page has changed its ui again. now i need one more click to get to translate.
< 1381112949 578063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was already slightly annoying that i needed two.
< 1381112956 459301 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yup. Zero is an uninhabited type. One is the unit type, whose values can be freely created and destroyed. Top is a "garbage" type; you can create values of it, but values of that type can't be destroyed or otherwise disposed of. Done is the "no return" type; if a function returns Done, that's equivalent to not returning.
< 1381113014 786276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume this is poisonous infection from that mobile app stuff.
< 1381113080 170756 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: you know, I guess I don't really have a good idea of what "destructive modification" actually means.
< 1381113096 89979 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, "const True" is an irreversible function in Haskell, isn't it? But it's not impure.
< 1381113159 126338 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what -> means in Hylisk, but I'm gonna assume "(\x 3) -> x" is literally what I would write in ocaml as "let x = 3 in x". in that case the only reason why this "assignment" isn't a side-effect is because it's not an assignment, but rather just a replacement in the right-hand expression
< 1381113192 915428 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the right-hand expression wouldn't make sense without the let in, since x would be free)
< 1381113209 294056 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. And that's pretty much what -> does.
< 1381113225 450391 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evaluate the left hand side until it's of the form "\x y", and then replace x with y on the right hand side.
< 1381113259 97640 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... but in that case "\x 3" doesn't make sense without the "->" ?
< 1381113262 272100 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, here's cancel: cancel f = (f \x) -> x
< 1381113263 981943 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: correct.
< 1381113277 333959 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not really a function
< 1381113316 786402 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backslash-variables, arrows, and the corresponding bare variables are in a one-to-one-to-one correspondence. Each appearance of one must correspond to exactly one appearance of each of the other two.
< 1381113354 37059 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: well, it's certainly treated as a function. It has a type (in this case, something like Integer -> Done), it can be passed into functions that take functions, and so on.
< 1381113354 495190 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which excludes something like \x -> x*x
< 1381113365 242007 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: right, because x appears too many times on the right hand side.
< 1381113390 168079 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is I'm under the impression that this "Done" is similar to ocaml's "unit"... but ocaml has a unit type because it's is *not* purely functional
< 1381113412 465562 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: How would you write something like that, assuming there is no other way to square?
< 1381113454 343560 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: well, here's how you're going to write it if I don't create any syntactic sugar for it: \x -> uncurry (*) (duplicate x)
< 1381113459 460756 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to create syntactic sugar for it.
< 1381113490 51046 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :duplicate is a primitve?
< 1381113492 948066 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\x -> x*x" is probably going to be syntactic sugar for "\x -> uncurry (*) (duplicate x)". "duplicate" is a member of a class, called Duplicable or something.
< 1381113493 823366 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :primitive*
< 1381113501 518477 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1381113520 689983 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instance of duplicate for Int is primitive, but other data types might have non-primitive implementations.
< 1381113522 833546 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Do you think something like this could work as a stack-based/concatenative language?
< 1381113560 142296 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: it took me a really, really long time to figure out what Done means, and I still don't have too great a grip on it.
< 1381113571 81079 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1381113615 741398 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's probably not like ocaml's unit, because afaik "unit" just stands for "dummy value you return when you've got nothing to return"
< 1381113638 828629 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: right. Hylisk has such a type; it's tentatively called Unit.
< 1381113663 948225 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooookay. so there are side-effect after-all?
< 1381113703 607163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell has () too. nothing to do with side-effects
< 1381113737 474251 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: well, I did come up with an idea for a modified do-block. "sdo {a; b; c}" is syntactic sugar for "c . b . a". And if you write "x <- a", then I think that corresponds to matching a with a pair, binding x to one half of it, and passing the rest of it along.
< 1381113759 291994 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, but my Weird Extended Lambda Syntax looks a lot like side-effects.
< 1381113760 504927 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I apologize for exhibiting my ignorance like that :p but I really can't think of a use for the unit type, other than as return type for side-effect-only functions
< 1381113781 248071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same reason the identity function is useful
< 1381113794 426018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you expect downgrading the size to make it suitable for familiar and similar things?
< 1381113797 905319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., instantiating parameterised types
< 1381113799 490211 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"making @pl do stupid things"
< 1381113860 303066 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to give that some thought, and in the meantime I'll give myself some sleep. thank you for your explanations and your patience!
< 1381113884 129515 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I want to try it out as soon as you have a working implementation
< 1381113954 910024 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_
< 1381113967 278654 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess here's how I'd say it. "\x 3 -> x" doesn't have side effects. The funky thing about \x is that instead of returning a value into the surrounding expression, it returns a value into the letter x on the other side of the arrow. The only "side effect" is that data moves through a different channel.
< 1381113972 251514 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yeah, me too. ^_^
< 1381114129 884366 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, lemme think. Hylisk types don't seem to be possible to translate into Haskell in a sensible way. Maybe they are, I dunno. But Hylisk *expressions* can be translated into Haskell in a sensible way, or so it seems.
< 1381114182 914296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: a Hylisk type of kind * will most likely translate into a Haskell type of kind * -> * or (* -> *) -> *.
< 1381114239 944578 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I had that thought, yeah. For a little while, I thought that Hylisk types might even translate into monads.
< 1381114333 712705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. newtype Done r = Done r; data Unit r = Unit; data Zero r
< 1381114343 222871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know about Top.
< 1381114349 877631 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Top = Bottom
< 1381114351 244860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that Unit is actually Top.
< 1381114359 339648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: what?
< 1381114368 562484 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've had almost exactly the same thought as that, yeah.
< 1381114398 435743 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just kidding
< 1381114419 912337 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't very funny.
< 1381114429 328162 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I defined the four identity types (Done, Unit, Zero/Impossible, Top/Garbage) in those three ways, using one of the definitions twice, but I knew that had to be wrong.
< 1381114466 688698 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, certainly the Hylisk type World does translate to a Haskell monad. You'll never guess which one. Hint: it's IO.
< 1381114471 698024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I think you should rename Unit -> One and Done -> Bottom.
< 1381114475 945229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for consistency with the rest of the world.
< 1381114514 263655 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I could, I suppose, but Haskellers are used to "bottom" meaning... whatever its Haskell meaning is.
< 1381114551 555657 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, my reasoning with World and IO is pretty straightforward. In Haskell, a monad is essentially a context, which cannot be duplicated or discarded, but which can be queried.
< 1381114578 225624 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in Hylisk, a value of type World is essentially a context, which cannot be duplicated or discarded, but which can be queried. So, like, exactly the same damn thing.
< 1381114619 983153 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's a problem. In Haskell, querying the context doesn't change the type of a context. If you make a query, you can always make the same query again any number of types.
< 1381114647 752991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this OK? Telepathy to 5ft anywhere; master loses 3 max HP within range.
< 1381114689 205773 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not the case in Hylisk. If you have a value of type (Int -> Int), then you can pass an Int into it and receive an Int, but only once.
< 1381114710 533188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Then add some ! and ? types too.
< 1381114726 605888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Possibly even more than one kind of each.)
< 1381114739 229264 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, but the problem isn't that ! and ? don't exist; the problem is that types without ! and ? do exist.
< 1381114784 801783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes, I know, but there can be ! and ? types in addition to the types without ! and ?
< 1381114812 473844 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!(Int -> Int) would translate perfectly well as a Haskell monad, I think. But that doesn't fix the fact that (Int -> Int) does not.
< 1381114888 175083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: So, that's what happens when Imakuni? means Imakuni! and Imakuni@. Now I know.
< 1381114934 511597 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, this gives me a thought: "duh, just make them functors instead".
< 1381114995 1069 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "f" is a Hylisk type, then the corresponding Haskell type "f a" will mean "something that uses a Hylisk value of type 'f' to produce a Haskell value of type 'a'".
< 1381115031 459499 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1381115078 311437 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what is "Done a"? It's something that uses a Hylisk value of type "Done" to produce a Haskell value of type "a".
< 1381115115 569402 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a problem with that, though. The only thing you can do with a value of type "Done" is call it, and when you do, it won't return the program flow back to you.
< 1381115154 961919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I am pretty sure you want to be using something like the continuation monad's idea of negation.
< 1381115167 231456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which importantly, lets you *customise* the equivalent of Done to an "r" type you get to choose
< 1381115191 277171 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've definitely thought about the continuation monad(s) a lot, yeah. They also have the idea of "functions that don't return".
< 1381115208 300383 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I read about negation in a continuation monad?
< 1381115217 70097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oleg's site has some stuff, I think
< 1381115468 341622 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't found anything yet.
< 1381115646 251404 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What *is* the continuation monad's idea of negation, exactly? Is the negative of "a" in "Cont r" just "a -> r"?
< 1381115828 491731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t callCC
< 1381115829 492241 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadCont m => ((a -> m b) -> m a) -> m a
< 1381115917 624184 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have had some vague ideas about how Hylisk might turn into continuation stuff. In Haskell, you can't prevent someone from duplicating a value; but there may be ways to make it so that even if they do duplicate a value, they can only use one copy of it.
< 1381115961 21050 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, suppose you're a function of type (a -> r) -> r, where r is opaque to you. You can duplicate your argument all you want, but it's not going to matter, because you can only *use* it once.
< 1381116008 313799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i think the negative of a is ideally a -> Cont r Void
< 1381116057 781435 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's isomorphic to a -> r, though, isn't it?
< 1381116070 542815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl Cont r Void
< 1381116070 688485 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Void -> r) -> r
< 1381116074 146284 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a -> (Void -> r) -> r, and (Void -> r) only has one inhabitant.
< 1381116090 835892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably
< 1381116104 301910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to think inside the monad
< 1381116129 522543 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, this is starting to seem like it might be really simple.
< 1381116148 579199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, Void -> r has as many inhabitants as r has.
< 1381116151 644824 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1381116152 926876 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :such is computer science
< 1381116166 734200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :const r
< 1381116173 622028 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uh, no? The only inhabitant is \x -> case x of {}.
< 1381116179 705526 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh.
< 1381116180 407550 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1381116183 817498 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1381116189 745246 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :one element, in a total language
< 1381116193 756674 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, I think all those are equivalent, aren't they?
< 1381116195 863349 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Void is initial
< 1381116217 640785 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all the same empty function
< 1381116234 575463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: a total language function doesn't have to use its argument.
< 1381116253 835264 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, but who says const x /= const y?
< 1381116255 290309 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't matter
< 1381116258 291392 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're being intensional
< 1381116272 353558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1381116280 66747 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :take the graph of the function
< 1381116281 763411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1381116283 533788 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1381116316 801691 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're a function of type "Either (a -> r) (b -> r) -> r", you'll provide either an "a" or a "b" to anyone who asks, but they'll only really be able to use one of them.
< 1381116401 755463 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you're a function of type "(a -> r, b -> r) -> r", then, uh... what the heck is that
< 1381116444 966492 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either a b
< 1381116454 517281 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't be.
< 1381116491 248610 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, if you're a function of type "(a, b -> r) -> r", then you'll take an "a", and you'll return a "b", but no matter how many times you're called, they'll only be able to use one of the "b"s.
< 1381116501 199557 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too tired to explain now, but https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/haskell-cafe/XQ-tFFKgyqM/ldrTqYd4hHsJ
< 1381116522 559527 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about your (a -> r, b -> r) -> r
< 1381116524 449993 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :being isomorphic to Either a b, if your quantifiers are where I think they re
< 1381116538 253968 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Either a b = forall r. (a -> r, b -> r) -> r
< 1381116545 99029 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that makes sense.
< 1381116550 823786 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm not sure where the quantifiers are, though.
< 1381116573 930881 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantification is hard
< 1381116575 667372 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's go to sleep
< 1381116578 247670 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to sleep
< 1381116597 37025 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mumbles something about fibrations and binding
< 1381116601 701305 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if r is existentially qualified... then it's much worse.
< 1381116612 760507 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, quantified.
< 1381116613 189706 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's useless
< 1381116622 269231 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it must be quantified dependent on something...
< 1381116638 196586 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's supposed to be the "par" of linear logic, which is definitely not Either.
< 1381116665 586090 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :if those are -o then it's different
< 1381116670 374289 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially, a "Par a b" is a single value that behaves as both "a" and "b" at once.
< 1381116675 530070 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not well versed in reasoning about linear logic
< 1381116679 471540 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, this is Haskell.
< 1381116708 21691 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I'll go to sleep, yeah. I'll think about continuations.
< 1381116710 884430 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night, everyone.
< 1381116711 92385 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1381116712 744378 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ciao
< 1381116725 649770 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Auf Wiedersehen.
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< 1381116898 343268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :par is the one that's hardest to intuit
< 1381117332 736625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: forall r (f g :: Void -> r), f = g
< 1381117350 459253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because forall (x :: Void), f x = g x
< 1381117364 444510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because forall (x :: Void), p
< 1381117367 473737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Void -> p
< 1381117493 381052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY BUT DON'T ASK ME FOR HELP WHEN LOGIC STARTS BREAKING
< 1381117820 134951 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist (or did someone already do this? I don't know when the upd8 was)
< 1381117824 121677 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist (or did someone already do this? I don't know when the upd8 was): Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
< 1381117847 53567 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was one HUGE update today
< 1381117849 173767 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot to slist
< 1381118017 526232 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This webpage is not available <-- so i take it it turned out roxy is calliope's dream clone wife or something similarly server-crashing
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< 1381123191 538960 :__Hithere!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lkie you Bike, you are the cesloot
< 1381123202 107100 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnially someonea gets it
< 1381123212 149045 :__Hithere!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i konw rtie? :D
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< 1381123473 703586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi __Hithere
< 1381123478 942901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome __Hithere
< 1381123482 540289 :__Hithere!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hlelo kmc
< 1381123483 608210 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :04__H02ithere:10 Welcom11e to the04 inter07natio04nal hu06b f03o11r e08soter12ic programming la08nguage desi14gn and 09deploy05ment! For more informa07tion,06 check 07out our wiki:02 http://esolangs.org/wik13i/Ma02in_Page. (For the10 other k09ind 13o05f esoterica, try #esoteric 10on irc.d02al.ne08t10.)
< 1381123494 876423 :__Hithere!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was adaerly wlceeomd lkie fitfy mliolin tmies
< 1381123508 941054 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wдt
< 1381123518 905493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :loco popele
< 1381123524 392091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt we are drunk
< 1381123544 425649 :__Hithere!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, whats going on
< 1381123553 364695 :__Hithere!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, forgot the ~ sorry
< 1381123557 187111 :__Hithere!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, wahts gnoig on
< 1381123603 951994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :The how-to guide to become the new face of zero and one | PDF yourself: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ or http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | this spacetime intentionally left right
< 1381123605 567504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: why are you connected as both ^v and __Hithere?
< 1381123640 845155 :__Hithere!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eloitlt, becusae i wnat to see how aewosme my txet lokos
< 1381123718 253511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think someone read too much of that "people only need the first and last letters to be in the right place" theory
< 1381123740 265085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're not drunk?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? fals advertising
< 1381123750 766584 :__Hithere!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nrep, sorry to dnpiiossat kmc
< 1381123754 725672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what this channel has become..........
< 1381123762 366265 :__Hithere!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :buirfcank
< 1381123776 263513 :__Hithere!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck
< 1381123782 640613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :buttfuck
< 1381123785 721249 :__Hithere!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bairn|fcuk
< 1381123794 196745 :__Hithere!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1381123800 808972 :__Hithere!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maby i should make it seperate by capitals
< 1381123807 976681 :__Hithere!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so BrainFuck comes out properly
< 1381123830 461018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :__Hithere: there is no such thing as BrainFuck.
< 1381123839 8118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may be confusing it with brainfuck.
< 1381123843 68678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :brbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrb-
< 1381123848 862881 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1381123852 724019 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shoots himself in head
< 1381123858 401548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW THE HUNTER BECOMES THE HUNTED
< 1381123875 10455 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it good that i use http response code 337 for a project thingy? c_c
< 1381123888 900639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP 402 Payment Required
< 1381123899 796800 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the header looks like HTTP/1.1 337 H4X
< 1381123905 232453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs ^v
< 1381123928 84992 :__Hithere!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION raeps kmc
< 1381123933 633827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not cool
< 1381123938 648656 :__Hithere!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i cant /me ~text)
< 1381123942 95495 :__Hithere!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1381123950 189429 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of that here plz
< 1381123952 64793 :__Hithere!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to add thдt
< 1381123953 758218 :__Hithere!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1381123959 694867 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you russian some of the time
< 1381123966 513127 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wдt
< 1381123971 443645 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im never russian
< 1381123975 1212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :privyet
< 1381124000 969350 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Я люблю большие окурки и я не могу лгать
< 1381124022 973264 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ш вщте дшлу нщг kmc нщг фку ф зщефещ.
< 1381124039 633689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: i suspect nonexistent response codes are not recommended.
< 1381124051 277773 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for webpages
< 1381124053 552513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a potato?!?!?!?
< 1381124078 329783 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc has a russian keyboard
< 1381124079 305021 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :russian is hard
< 1381124080 186706 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :confirmed
< 1381124081 588654 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1381124089 817715 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or memorized the keys)
< 1381124095 674763 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c_c
< 1381124100 750668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙮ
< 1381124110 273233 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ cant see this
< 1381124119 23118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^----------------------- IM WITH STUPID
< 1381124124 648271 :__Hithere!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381124129 934527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_;
< 1381124137 20496 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::_:
< 1381124139 189340 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by there
< 1381124146 484999 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye :)
< 1381124151 224686 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hated that bastard
< 1381124156 677628 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was an $%^hole
< 1381124166 743344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he had something to hyde
< 1381124168 586801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Русский Стандарт
< 1381124180 620902 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Russian Standard
< 1381124183 324598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :da
< 1381124207 395756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Вы хотите муравьев? потому что это, как вы получите муравьев
< 1381124249 100195 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Нет, я, как картофель больше
< 1381124290 39772 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ш дшлу екфшты
< 1381124294 224584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kartofel
< 1381124312 385425 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1381124325 775749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1381124334 558826 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1381124341 920984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1381124360 242117 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont like python
< 1381124368 598440 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is worth the title of joke esoteric language
< 1381124375 605128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not interesting enuf
< 1381124381 751014 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lua ftw
< 1381124387 30644 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its useless by itself
< 1381124390 448916 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmod ftw
< 1381124413 411642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those languages are so boring
< 1381124460 134756 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[>->]
< 1381124541 70342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep boop
< 1381126738 329281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a "cesloot"?
< 1381126777 770859 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably a "coolest".
< 1381126836 512956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to be confused with a coopless
< 1381127161 239953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh. (I slow.)
< 1381127312 140968 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Cua
< 1381127481 890451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
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< 1381134390 175434 :Zuu_!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381138968 848102 :Zuu_!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :Zuu
< 1381139770 607386 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381144924 318786 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1381145473 877715 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381145533 510828 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I forget how easy adblock makes watching youtube
< 1381145546 85791 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or having a desktop IRC client makes going on IRC
< 1381145624 426887 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had my first actual lectures this morning
< 1381145649 166120 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One was an introduction to boolean logic, the other was an introduction to the concept of a computer architecture
< 1381145657 866960 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I preferred the first one
< 1381145671 107935 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think the second was very well presented
< 1381145758 566167 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds exciting
< 1381145797 767017 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381146927 75876 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.141.31.232.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Bike what are you doing?
< 1381147343 242958 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.141.31.232.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1381147347 436926 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.141.31.232.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to hear
< 1381147385 108716 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same
< 1381147495 799377 :Mayushii!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan NICK :Lymia
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< 1381151056 338292 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381152252 152067 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381152322 180075 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381152322 325550 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1381153792 68896 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"
< 1381153927 243945 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastewisdom
< 1381153931 983969 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/
< 1381154027 325053 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan my perception skills are poor. I usually need 17+ on a check.
< 1381154027 470574 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1381154031 424324 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan indeed.
< 1381154031 606428 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1381154455 71072 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
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< 1381154882 118901 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1381156236 212227 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1381158675 891433 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on a Hello World program in Tic-Tac-Toe.
< 1381158685 641671 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far, I have 60 games.
< 1381158698 442688 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They print "Hello Wor" so far.
< 1381159001 243688 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381159425 334639 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone wanna help convert other BF programs to Tic-Tac-Toe?
< 1381159437 91126 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone can make a conversion program!
< 1381159441 127724 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't.
< 1381159450 423049 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm terrible at non-esoteric programming.
< 1381159465 90982 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At best, I'll make a table.
< 1381159712 726889 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381160450 539346 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm terrible at non-esoteric programming" -> So write a BF version. Then convert it with itself.
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< 1381161355 68436 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help i think tic tac toe is kinda cute for a brainfuck derivative...
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< 1381162533 269413 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell JWinslow http://codepad.org/fBMEnC3S is this a valid bf->ttt conversion? the wiki article is kinda vague
< 1381162533 414948 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1381162985 351180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott I want to block the latest spambot (I think I've spotted a pattern) http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/new appears to be a blank page; is there some sort of PHP issue going on on esolangs.org?
< 1381162985 538619 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1381163244 213300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: It seems kinda wasteful.
< 1381164078 160829 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
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< 1381165153 868736 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a dream... an Esolang Wiki without spam...
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< 1381166271 732498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it sounds like Servo may get speculative tokenization of CSS a la http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/118795/pldi026-vaswani.pdf
< 1381166274 755528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. exciting
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< 1381166471 322769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1381166497 722558 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1381166500 329177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was hilarious
< 1381166506 16879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started lagging, so I reconnected
< 1381166510 345168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in time to see the messages I'd just sent
< 1381166621 896655 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.22 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381167363 225448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ugh, same here
< 1381167367 753058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a version mismatch
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< 1381169909 450271 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL
< 1381169910 146673 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 071810Z 22034G50KT 140V220 6SM -RA SCT022 OVC045 20/17 A2956 RERA RMK SC4SC4 PRESRR SLP011 DENSITY ALT 1000FT
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< 1381170743 756316 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys.
< 1381170829 568967 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you guys know Delineate.hs? A certain Haskell module that pretty much purports to implement linear typing, in Haskell.
< 1381170898 975828 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This morning, during statistics class, I tried to replicate it. I could remember the definitions for Not and the turnstile, but nothing else. I came up with an implementation of Plus, and then I just used Not to turn it into an implementation of With.
< 1381170922 632702 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you learn any statistics
< 1381170927 864015 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so.
< 1381170969 540768 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So then I realized that given a linear type, the double negation of that type is always equivalent to the original type. So I added a new class, Dne, with a function called dne that lets you eliminate double negation.
< 1381170978 476817 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This allowed me to simplify my implementation of With.
< 1381170994 332275 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I go look here, and it turns out my implementation of With is this guy's implementation of Times.
< 1381170995 544819 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... you added stuff to remove stuff?
< 1381171018 6182 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can't both be right, can they??????
< 1381171019 706971 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION scratches his head in paradozzulment
< 1381171020 463637 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: something like that, yeah.
< 1381171062 172453 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now I'm skeptical that this guy's Times is actually Times and not just With, because the thing he calls Times ought to be With.
< 1381171228 751478 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It kind of seems like it is. Ich estoy confused.
< 1381171354 46764 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to get a better idea of *how* this guy's stuff corresponds to linear logic. Like, what the actual correspondence is.
< 1381171355 681753 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Je am 慌てている también.
< 1381171450 412276 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Translate says "慌てて" means "hastily".
< 1381171491 631530 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah?
< 1381171520 334298 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also suggests “perpexedly”.
< 1381171530 53075 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so it does.
< 1381171578 223260 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am perplexedly always? that's some deep shit boily.
< 1381171584 392358 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Je don't parlare Japanisch.
< 1381171588 396885 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :También is also, not always.
< 1381171598 724711 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :same diff
< 1381171601 695091 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I am deep. it was -RAing today. humidity confuses my neurons.
< 1381171614 605125 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why your neurons specifically?
< 1381171616 129573 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381171636 472717 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: et avec mon (supposément horrible) accent français, the confusion propagates by itself.
< 1381171674 478327 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: statistically, I have way more neurons than anything else in my body, modulo gastrointestinal bacteria.
< 1381171721 595188 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... you are human, right? or am i making bad assumptions?
< 1381171765 731710 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have five fingers per hand, and I dislike BF derivatives. I think I am human, or under ~duck typing, something that moderately acts like one.
< 1381171793 842414 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a ~duck a function that takes a duck and doesn't return?
< 1381171835 781436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there's an interesting insider trading speculation going on
< 1381171861 809947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems as though some people became aware of the contents of a specific announcement that was going to be released at a specific time
< 1381171867 564871 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381171869 417557 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it's a function that takes an unwanted query, then returns no information.
< 1381171881 889682 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I love those.
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< 1381171885 213635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and acted upon it after it had been announced, but before there was time for the information to reach the markets even at the speed of light
< 1381171921 529223 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that a window of a few hundred milliseconds?
< 1381171931 406674 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i'm just saying, you have less than a hundred billion neurons, and more than a hundred trillion cells. by cell count you probably have more fascia or something
< 1381171937 341056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it was 7ms in this particular case
< 1381171942 830712 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia says that there are about a thousand more bacteria in your gut than neurons in your brain. “The human body carries about 100 trillion microorganisms in its intestines” “One estimate puts the human brain at about 100 billion (10¹¹) neurons”
< 1381171946 765387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but finance trading software's faster than that nowadays
< 1381171957 408297 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well yes, but your body has other cells in it.
< 1381171968 384655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I must admit to being a bit surprised that there is a non empty intersection of relativity and finance law.
< 1381171997 415846 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it time for me to recommend krugman's paper on hyperspace arbitrage again
< 1381172010 952487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that seems like a great recommendation
< 1381172012 397792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't read it
< 1381172017 807492 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the relative order of those two events seems to depend on the frame of reference, doesn't it.
< 1381172019 214045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I enjoy the fact that it exists
< 1381172020 935440 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw, but it's full of jokes
< 1381172028 390129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: isn't it easily explainable by the fact that news organisations are allowed to transfer the data to their own servers in preparation for releasing it?
< 1381172040 985565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can be released immediately at the scheduled time once copied
< 1381172044 963352 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck fascia
< 1381172048 704893 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.princeton.edu/~pkrugman/interstellar.pdf
< 1381172052 318316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this was a big federal announcement in the US
< 1381172057 812123 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so, is anyone actually going to get prosecuted here?
< 1381172058 922611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they were intentionally keeping it secret until a specific time
< 1381172059 910638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the really weird thing is that US securities law mandates a notional single reference frame for the National Market System, even though this is physically impossible
< 1381172065 365569 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.............metasepia.........
< 1381172076 507482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they knew how time-sensitive it was, thus they specified the time they'd release it in advance, and used an atomic clock to make sure
< 1381172083 410834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: who knows
< 1381172088 650847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is no, but it's quite early yet
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< 1381172111 309332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, I know
< 1381172115 489831 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so the information was time-sensitive down to less than a second?
< 1381172123 144064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you read the news articles it says news organisations are allowed to see and IIRC copy the data before it's announced
< 1381172127 147857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes
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< 1381172136 993268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, right
< 1381172138 697676 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck fascia
< 1381172139 130028 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascia definition: a flat usually horizontal member of a building having the form of a flat band or broad fillet.
< 1381172141 26064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so it's perfectly plausible they just copied it to a nearer server before the release date, as far as I know
< 1381172156 406415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a plausible explanation
< 1381172157 86490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thus allowing simultaneous release at both locations, because you already paid the light-speed requirement in transferring it beforehand
< 1381172180 712746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to think that if it was that simple there would be no story, but...
< 1381172181 435569 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so... do you have a link to this or something?
< 1381172207 265598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I send an order to buy stock on NASDAQ, and NASDAQ thinks that I can get a better price on BATS, then they are legally required to route my order to BATS, but they might do this on the basis of their link to BATS being slow and the order can't actually be filled by the time it gets there
< 1381172212 274804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. annoying
< 1381172231 952105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/24/traders-may-have-gotten-last-weeks-fed-news-7-milliseconds-early/
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< 1381172477 534109 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. So the article says that they placed the order at about 2:00:00.002, even though theoretically, there was no way they could have gotten that information until 2:00:00.007.
< 1381172627 218595 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :, that's not insider trading. The information was released at 2:00:00.000, so they placed the order after the information was publicly available. That may be really unfair, but the purpose of insider trading laws isn't to make the marketplace more fair; it's to prevent people with insider knowledge from leaking it.
< 1381172675 191781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: not sure anyone understands this correctly
< 1381172685 363864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it's ever come up before
< 1381172752 302062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the purpose of preventing them from leaking it
< 1381172755 897705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not to make things more fair
< 1381172784 148827 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: they obtained the information through some sort of agreement that obliges them to keep the information private.
< 1381172808 740640 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or through illegitimate means.
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< 1381172941 669502 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: connective tissue. the stuff that keeps your heart tied to your ribcage.
< 1381172977 711511 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, the article makes a good point, I think. People trading securities ignorantly (i.e. literally everyone) are injecting free money into the market, or something like that, and all these guys compete to be the first to slurp it up.
< 1381173009 359496 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolfing haha what the fuck, awesome
< 1381173061 898211 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't know about "literally everyone"; the public US equity market is pretty damn efficient these days. it's hard to get a foothold building a new HFT strategy from scratch as there's very little low-hanging fruit
< 1381173106 146685 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah, but of all the people trading securities, not one of them knows *all* of the relevant information.
< 1381173125 535140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :brokerages get a lot of stupid orders but they'll match them internally or route them to various "dark pools" etc. before it hits the public market
< 1381173147 273816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: hm, ok, I guess that's a valid use of the word "ignorant"; I read a value judgement into it that wasn't there
< 1381173154 424703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wouldn't say they're injecting "free money" then
< 1381173162 885072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :combining all that relevant information has a cost
< 1381173166 441630 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, true.
< 1381173173 66690 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know all the information relevant to this thai chicken i just bought for lunch but i'm confident that the purchase was a good decision.
< 1381173174 562208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people who don't pay that cost are paying others to do it for them
< 1381173180 563112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1381173187 957136 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't HFT more along the lines of like, basically shaving cents off each transaction?
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< 1381173209 280438 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what the rolfungot is that...
< 1381173209 630866 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is the source free? can i write
< 1381173215 271399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :long term investors don't care about the last penny of the price; somebody else pays a bunch of physics PhDs and buys a bunch of servers to get that last penny from them
< 1381173218 910743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that's not how it's defined, but that's what it normally does in practice
< 1381173219 56257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :both parties walk away satisfied
< 1381173221 658269 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: of course you can. you just need an account on wikipédia.
< 1381173221 901711 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: or lichen. not. know.
< 1381173222 583141 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: pretty hilarious
< 1381173231 295092 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading an article where they were doing cheesy things like using recognition algorithms to find large institutional trades
< 1381173234 426254 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, ais523: there are all kinds of different HFT strategies
< 1381173237 31003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, suppose I want to buy something from you, I'm willing to pay £7, you're willing to sell it for £6
< 1381173237 356215 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then like, take advantage of that
< 1381173252 90369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we just made the deals with each other directly, we'd probably agree on a price somewhere in between
< 1381173270 198573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the markets, what will normally happen is that HFT bots will try to react as quickly as possible to us placing the buy or sell orders
< 1381173279 78408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then buy it from you for £6 and sell it to me for £7
< 1381173288 336412 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like super short timescale arbitrage?
< 1381173289 403190 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: indeed. my previous top-quackering holistic body manipultion technique was accupressure, but I think that one takes the cherry.
< 1381173291 631228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yep
< 1381173313 367531 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: lichen tastes good. I had it once in China.
< 1381173313 704969 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: every procedure returns a recurisve procedure. http://www.kendyck.com/ 2005/ 02/15-feb-2005 the scsh manual is?!
< 1381173327 270754 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i wish my whole body was organized in gravity.
< 1381173344 237510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this is tolerated because it increases liquidity; if I want to buy something for £7, and it normally trades for less than that, then the HFT bots will sell it to me immediately
< 1381173349 450263 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: btw, what does it mean?
< 1381173356 813043 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what does what mean
< 1381173360 310595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in anticipation of someone selling it for less than that soon (say, when you come along with your £6 version)
< 1381173382 507371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I pay more than I might have to if I'd traded with you directly, but I get the trade fulfilled faster
< 1381173400 171447 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So suppose that first you place an order of BUY LIMIT 7. Then I guess the bots could place an order of BUY LIMIT 6 right away. Then I place an order of SELL LIMIT 6, and so I sell it to the bot. Then the bot places an order of SELL LIMIT 7 and sells it to you.
< 1381173402 583022 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, that works.
< 1381173412 451847 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: to be organized in gravity.
< 1381173414 995911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some strategies provide liquidity, some of them take liquidity
< 1381173418 18524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :both can be classified as HFT
< 1381173429 301447 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: the recursion that can be recursed is not the true recursion.
< 1381173429 846904 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't know but it sounds relaxing.
< 1381173429 992561 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it is not so much so that a reload can work" occasions. stupidity isn't so special. eg. many doctors think that multiple sclerosis ( fnord), fnord ( the old style negation symbol looks in between and good key travel
< 1381173436 560901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some strategies lose money on average except that exchanges pay you to provide liquidity
< 1381173457 659190 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm sure I can find at least on place here.
< 1381173476 60790 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to see the origin of "every procedure returns a recurisve procedure".
< 1381173477 465952 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/on/one
< 1381173489 51960 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlogs every procedure returns
< 1381173493 945634 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pastlogs: not found
< 1381173500 131986 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be, like, markov.
< 1381173508 622622 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Search for "recurisve procedure", man.
< 1381173510 775993 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"every procedure returns" and "returns a recurisve procedure" massed up.
< 1381173550 228009 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what do you know → http://www.rolfing.qc.ca/engl/rolf2.htm
< 1381173558 104108 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but what sorts of things return recurisve procedures?
< 1381173585 122765 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.google.com/search?q=recurisve this misspelling is more common than i thought.
< 1381173593 748057 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could say that the Y combinator returns a recurisve procedure. But we wouldn't call it a procedure.
< 1381173623 109100 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: damn.
< 1381173693 361604 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, since it's a "procedure", that seems to imply that it's an actual piece of computer code. A recurisve one, to boot. But what sort of thing would specifically return a piece of recurisve code, rather than just any type of code? Not a compiler. Usually.
< 1381173711 488269 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have the profound conviction that our bodies are the physical manifestation of who we are."
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< 1381173718 446481 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: self-self-modifying code?
< 1381173773 897905 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it meant "recursive" as in "computable", eh
< 1381173796 472642 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. That's a possibility.
< 1381173804 497490 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :recurisve*
< 1381173822 516169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, ais523: a lot of strategies can be decomposed as a "signal" that tells you what assets would be good to own right now, and an execution engine which buys those at the best possible price by understanding market microstructure
< 1381173832 454009 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: by the way, if your neurons are directly exposed to atmospheric humidity, i recommend consulting a medical professional immediately. preferably a certified Rolfer ™.
< 1381173885 548441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some cases the former is trivial, e.g. a pure market maker which is willing to go long or short on anything. in that case the execution had better be very good so that you can unload the position when the market moves
< 1381173907 590076 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D. The video could be straight from The Onion. I also laughed when a Fox News employee explained with a straight face that since people don’t have the time to find out what’s true and what’s not, Fox News will helpfully do that for them. http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/7/4812630/fox-news-shepard-smith-news-deck
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< 1381173936 327325 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: can one auto-rolf oneself? I have this emotional attachment to my precious brain.
< 1381173944 123307 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: that is an awesome picture
< 1381173951 514252 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but often the signal is based on observed patterns and statistical correlations between assets and such
< 1381173958 471104 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you'll have to get certification in practicing Rolfing ® first.
< 1381173961 612768 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, like... what happens when a person sells stock short, or something, and then they don't have enough money to buy it back?
< 1381173967 617065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you can factor out the execution engine as a service, and this is often done within a firm, but brokers will also do it for you
< 1381173970 724089 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably someone has to pay for that.
< 1381173990 198659 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1381173997 451229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll offer a service which guarantees to buy a stock over the next minute and give you a price which is at most x basis points above the volume-weighted average price over that minute
< 1381174006 894200 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I need to go. Auf Wiedersehen.
< 1381174010 858599 :tswett!23284801@gateway/web/freenode/ip.35.40.72.1 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1381174016 866358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I was going to answer the question :/
< 1381174019 743017 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«"We call these BATs," Smith notes. "Big area touchscreens."» it's so beautiful
< 1381174063 719878 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. in Québec French, «toucher son bat» is very obscene...
< 1381174090 173947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it mean
< 1381174102 905372 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381174123 458504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'This is to apprise you that $1.9 Million USD was paid out to us by the United Nations in conjunction with Microsoft...
< 1381174126 464178 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have successfully succeeded in depositing "your" total funds of $1,900,000.00 with us here at Western Union, Malaysia.'
< 1381174143 120090 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had two million dollars? do you have any more? can i have some?
< 1381174167 807302 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: «bat» is slang for penis.
< 1381174574 157126 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does each time I mention something embarassing do all conversations suddenly stop?
< 1381174587 732129 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :My chicken is spicy. I can't talk.
< 1381174658 74416 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point. chicken has ultimate priority.
< 1381174673 701441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what isn't slang for penis, really
< 1381174800 678452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "what" isn't slang for penis
< 1381174808 169086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, not before I said that
< 1381174810 613438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it probably is
< 1381174822 340235 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it was before you said that, i can think of how
< 1381174844 893358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it has to actually be used for that purpose to be slang
< 1381174852 125225 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i know
< 1381174852 591890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least appear on Urban Dictionary
< 1381174982 369849 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note: This fund is coming in 2 security proof boxes which are sealed with Synthetic nylon seal and padded with machine."
< 1381174983 137677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Oxford Dictionary of Euphemisms lists "what you may call it" ("often shortened to whatsit, less often to whatzis") with the meaning of "any taboo object".
< 1381175022 642873 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's the sort of thing i was thinking o.
< 1381175023 380415 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f
< 1381175037 13735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The whatsit is through there if you want it. (B. Forbes, 1983--a woman was indicating where the lavatory lay)"
< 1381175049 490779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see so World Fund Management wants to give me $7.3M, Standard Chartered is sending me $65M, and the United Nations / Microsoft are sending me $1.9M
< 1381175055 319613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but that's a different word
< 1381175058 481491 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky.
< 1381175080 210513 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my spam box has a $10.5m thing from Nigeria
< 1381175080 398789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("whistle" is slang for penis. (Didn't have to read very far to find one.))
< 1381175080 563059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what "padded with machine" means
< 1381175095 218465 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am vaguely afraid to open any of them though
< 1381175103 645216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION asks the padding oracle
< 1381175133 736803 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381175304 158266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"jump² a single act of copulation"
< 1381175308 524367 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1381175431 286421 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: why are they giving you money?
< 1381175462 223360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause i'm so great
< 1381175477 253818 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copulation in Three Acts
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< 1381178337 345714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking whether the C compiler (clang -fPIC -fPIC -fPIC) works... no
< 1381178343 212335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe with a fourth -fPIC ?!?!?!?
< 1381178414 608764 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you sound like fungot.
< 1381178444 603954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1381178447 495264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Why u no reply?
< 1381178447 816871 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: invalid syntax delay and force are deficient. is that possible.
< 1381178453 169108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay.
< 1381178480 428155 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what have I done to you?
< 1381178480 611148 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: " you must be
< 1381178492 907842 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I must be... what?
< 1381178493 91072 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oh offby1, it's not useful
< 1381178573 508153 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps fungot "get a hold of yourself!"
< 1381178573 897913 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's silly to junk up a page for the 21st century or something for tseitsei and perhaps others too: http://www.deviantart.com/ view/ fnord
< 1381178602 345039 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131005/01383624761/how-telecom-helped-government-spy-me.shtml
< 1381178771 872999 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: obviously.
< 1381178772 87832 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: stalin compiling itself is, just a clue
< 1381178777 653122 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: obviously.
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< 1381182140 166021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs @tell boily
< 1381182145 109905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud
< 1381182145 255968 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 7h 48m 37s ago: my perception skills are poor. I usually need 17+ on a check.
< 1381182145 256151 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 7h 48m 33s ago: indeed.
< 1381182174 803074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: chop chop
< 1381182186 528522 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.3029
< 1381182259 885360 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: chop chop
< 1381182331 325696 :yours_truly!~yours@bas2-hamilton02-1176215029.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1381184072 992722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs recurisve
< 1381184095 80316 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.1949
< 1381184130 671055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1381184130 819757 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1381184183 71593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily fungot's irc style includes some logs from #scheme, the recurisve thing probably comes from there.
< 1381184183 217042 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1381184183 555712 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's why i was confused by spurious control chars coming out of nothing but cornstarch water. you would see them as seperate libraries instead of solving f(x,y,z,t) 0 for x 0 99
< 1381184217 520042 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I would also be confused by that...
< 1381184217 970243 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it was quick and she i let her fnord out one last zippy the pinhead is a character from the input from a file; i don't wnat to setup output to fnord to
< 1381184243 860886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see #scheme takes grieving over their idols seriously.
< 1381184287 926296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot
< 1381184288 159447 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ( r6rs seems pretty cool game, supports many languages) fnord work
< 1381184358 670177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot got got
< 1381184358 875241 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and another satisfied customer. next! *grin*
< 1381184568 714113 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1381184835 781590 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1381184920 317481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : "I have the profound conviction that our bodies are the physical manifestation of who we are." <-- finally a profound statement we can all agree with!
< 1381184935 249642 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381184945 808162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, perhaps, the profundity part.
< 1381184982 839545 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out my Hello World program! It is 101 instructions in BF, and 81 games in TicTacToe. Wow.
< 1381184998 165307 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll upload it soon!
< 1381185005 187642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1381185024 641686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello, World!
< 1381185029 106518 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :140 ++++++++++++++[>+++++>+++++++>+++>++++++<<<<-]>++.>+++.+++++++..+++.>++.------------.>+++.<<.+++.------.--------.>+.-----------------------. [238]
< 1381185053 568042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello World
< 1381185055 820919 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :110 ++++++++++[>+>++++++++++>+++++++>+++<<<<-]>>>++.<+.+++++++..+++.>>++.<+++++++++++++++.<.+++.------.--------.<. [831]
< 1381185060 66809 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about the wiki example.
< 1381185064 331846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1381185116 243790 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>.
< 1381185155 451991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what
< 1381185176 462397 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: so, you have your language specified?
< 1381185199 826668 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is specified?
< 1381185266 289189 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tictactoe
< 1381185287 616658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>.
< 1381185287 764636 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World!.
< 1381185293 372828 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have all of the syntax (and cat program) down.
< 1381185322 631647 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1381185343 229563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: oh the wikipedia one. that's shorter yes. here in this channel, "the wiki" usually means the esolang wiki (also we all are disgusted by people calling wikipedia just "wiki" hth)
< 1381185447 968244 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as we all know, the full name is wikiwikipedia)
< 1381185545 292836 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1381185894 16396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait the wikipedia one isn't shorter, it was 111 chars.
< 1381186375 393903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wikipedia one looks txtgen made, unlike the one on esolang.
< 1381186419 73852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1381186440 641302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello World!
< 1381186443 887751 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :111 ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>. [243]
< 1381186519 93385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now i had the same text and it's identical to wikipedia.
< 1381186545 122614 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeterminism~
< 1381186574 154347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i just didn't write precisely Hello World! before.
< 1381186592 569919 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello World!
< 1381186594 967754 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :111 ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>. [324]
< 1381186618 941371 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, what's the bracketed number even do
< 1381186627 698244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>>>++++++++[<++++>-]<.>>>++++++++++[<+++++++++>-]<---.<<<<.+++.------.--------.>>+.
< 1381186627 843736 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World!
< 1381186645 140010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: number of execution steps, i think
< 1381186664 766043 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello World!
< 1381186667 62577 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :115 +++++++++[>++++++++>+++++++++++>++++>+<<<<-]>.>++.+++++++..+++.>----.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>+. [189]
< 1381186684 361860 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's more like it
< 1381186723 562909 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :243and 324 are different even though it looks like the code is the same...
< 1381186769 893514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good point.
< 1381186780 596594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's genetic algorithm steps, then.
< 1381187146 403900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes our wiki use the shorter version too.
< 1381187179 852158 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1381187387 288297 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381187531 598757 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexande
< 1381187536 717519 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hkmc
< 1381187540 610980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you here for nobel prize season?
< 1381187559 731345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nobel endeavor?
< 1381187647 169673 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can award your own nobel prizes when you can come up with an endowment big enough for a million dollar prize annually
< 1381187662 11308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I become a central bank you mean
< 1381187678 147520 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get some scandinavian institution to agree to make the decisions
< 1381187769 239258 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381187860 320716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i want to award micronobel prizes
< 1381187887 340421 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the wiki page for my language, TicTacToe. http://esolangs.org/wiki/Tic_Tac_Toe
< 1381187897 710830 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any suggestions?
< 1381187936 756580 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: how about the fact that nobel's will says the prize in literature is only for work in an idealistic direction
< 1381187946 256383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOK! At the picture. SEE! The skull. The piece of skull removed.
< 1381187950 341196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: wtf
< 1381187977 943371 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381188056 664557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 or at least appear on Urban Dictionary <-- ok i see cocaine and marihuana, but not penis.
< 1381188056 809954 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1381188070 24826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for science.
< 1381188116 322537 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps cocaine is itself slang for penis
< 1381188152 845223 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bsdmreclist
< 1381188155 461438 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsdmreclist? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381188171 345831 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a wisdom entry, it's just a file
< 1381188172 148151 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bdsmreclist
< 1381188173 672471 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bdsmreclist
< 1381188175 351995 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bdsmreclist: No such file or directory
< 1381188175 700574 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan swats quintopia -----### \ Phantom_Hoover: it records all the big hits
< 1381188197 666566 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, those were meant to be out of order
< 1381188213 269252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU are out of order.
< 1381188219 766358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whisky dick, cocaine cock
< 1381188236 895761 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1381188243 389663 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo YOU are out of order. >> bdsmreclist
< 1381188244 836075 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: oerjan: No such file or directory
< 1381188246 623630 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is clearly a strange place
< 1381188252 543401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: what were you expecting
< 1381188259 993971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo " YOU are out of order." >> bdsmreclist
< 1381188262 759657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome lexande
< 1381188263 644219 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1381188265 872336 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :12lexande: Wel07c12ome to the i04nternat02io05na04l09 hub for esoter04ic 08programming language desi05gn a10nd d13eployment! For more information, check out our wiki09: http://esola06ngs.o02rg/w05iki/Main_Pa07ge. (For 07the o10the08r14 kind of esoter02ica, try #e12soteric on i11rc.dal.11net.)
< 1381188269 229487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: NOW you are realizing? wait are you new here.
< 1381188273 574362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn too late.
< 1381188284 727919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought lexande looked familiar.
< 1381188284 873475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1381188286 674689 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :713) I think we are sort of this insane, and also sort of not as much as insane, and also sort of a bit more insane than that, and also somewhat more various other thing at various times whatever you are discussing at that time
< 1381188297 660269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: very poignant.
< 1381188298 972686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that quote is hella apropos
< 1381188302 762332 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i've stuck my head in here a few times previously
< 1381188309 89742 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall it being less strange
< 1381188311 143661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have always left with your head too!
< 1381188317 644720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: it's my civilizing influence
< 1381188318 21235 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true
< 1381188326 925102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, poignant is not a synonym for apropos
< 1381188329 793846 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be strange but it doesn't seem dangerous
< 1381188330 135514 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381188337 562396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote kmc
< 1381188339 690748 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :588) COCKS [...] truly cocks \ 618) You should get kmc in this channel. kmc has good quotes. `quote kmc 686) COCKS [...] truly cocks Well, in theory. \ 689) damn i should make a quasiquoter for inline FORTRAN \ 692) has there been any work towards designing programming l
< 1381188340 728010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I can do this now:
< 1381188346 319059 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :kmc
> 1381188346 400641 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1381188349 832710 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote lexande
< 1381188351 473107 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric -o :kmc
> 1381188351 494064 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1381188351 618609 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :939) sometimes i am confronted with a problem and i think "I know, I'll use Banach-Tarski"
< 1381188380 11872 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, do these problems involve not having enough of something
< 1381188381 184911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote kmc | shuf
< 1381188383 452693 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1044) would not be surprised to find out this tumblr is guerilla marketing by wolfram co to sell mathematica to stoners \ 1000) man at least job applications in biosciences are just like "you are willing to put your arms through a cow" Bike: please send us a link to your CowHub profile of cows you have previously put your arms t
< 1381188389 881010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote kmc | shuf
< 1381188392 177030 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :724) aim hecker (n): when ur dronk and u pee so bad all over the toilet that ppl make fun of u (corruption of "aim heckler") \ 999) healthy immune system is a wonderful thing, you gotta take advantage sometimes i eat food off the ground just to keep mine on its toes \ 956) Sgeo_, are you just trying to pos
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< 1381188417 259959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ...
< 1381188426 517677 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1381188431 245433 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1381188437 198449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did i do this time
< 1381188438 761116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you seem to have been whooshed by that quote.
< 1381188489 439150 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mostly i am a friend of kmc's from way back. i also know shachaf from Another Place
< 1381188491 27865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is the joke that you'll have as much problem as you like
< 1381188491 826752 :JWinslow23_!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cello
< 1381188494 74514 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :4The 7high 8level 9stucture 2of 13Cello 6projects 4is 7inspired 8by 9/Haskell/, 2while 13the 6syntax 4and 7semantics 8are 9inspired 2by 13/Python/ 6and 4/Obj-C/.
< 1381188500 750955 :JWinslow23_!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF?
< 1381188523 23761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the joke is that it's an allusion to the regexp joke.
< 1381188530 517010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, banach-tarski.
< 1381188534 262527 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1381188538 949649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that would make sense
< 1381188557 477794 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote kmc | shuf
< 1381188559 656791 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :842) i would subscribe to @zzo38_ebooks kmc: I have no ebooks which can subscribe to \ 865) i like the idea that if you name your country a Soviet Republic you automatically get the right to call up Lenin on the telephone and complain about bathroom pranks \ 984) i'm not actually competent at hacking things umm
< 1381188618 20857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 984
< 1381188619 843723 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :984) i'm not actually competent at hacking things ummmm kmc dont u mean `cracking' [tiny glider symbol with "hacker pride" written next to it in silkscreen] [head of a gnu] [tux penguin] [face shoved in toilet]
< 1381188641 626219 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc why u do this
< 1381188648 360341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which?
< 1381188652 88069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my quote 984?
< 1381188657 296490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was kind of kmc.jerkcity.moed++
< 1381188664 482468 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because elliott's a nerdeeee
< 1381188668 554821 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, `run quote kmc | shuf
< 1381188672 667245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh why not
< 1381188683 332378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan started in with the `quote kmc
< 1381188689 172356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the earliest quotes are embarassing and bad
< 1381188691 700643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i had to shuf them
< 1381188704 847216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get other embarassing quotes.
< 1381188706 200648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote lexande | wc -l
< 1381188708 303815 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1
< 1381188710 393629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but not bad ones!
< 1381188716 959969 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's beyond me why you would be embarassed by cocks
< 1381188718 388610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, true.
< 1381188722 436146 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty happy with my one quote
< 1381188736 545604 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote lexande
< 1381188738 113190 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :939) sometimes i am confronted with a problem and i think "I know, I'll use Banach-Tarski"
< 1381188749 665549 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote tarski
< 1381188751 397939 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :939) sometimes i am confronted with a problem and i think "I know, I'll use Banach-Tarski"
< 1381188752 180404 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was expecting " i'm pretty happy with my one quote"
< 1381188758 723935 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel tarski's the less appreciated of the pair
< 1381188764 752438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? banach-tarski
< 1381188773 362515 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Banach-Tarski" is an anagram of "Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski".
< 1381188785 268671 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tarski, as in "proved reals decideable" tarski, is underappreciated?
< 1381188785 487763 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should have something cleverer there
< 1381188791 785449 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but, Tarski undefinability of truth, and Tarski-Vaught test for elementary substructures, and stuff
< 1381188799 540490 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah what he said
< 1381188806 670403 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean banach's theorem is cool too but c'mon
< 1381188809 843421 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs. banach space? i know which i've heard of more
< 1381188817 178361 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he has a theorem of his own!
< 1381188820 533459 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas only analysts care about banach mostly
< 1381188840 298545 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you've been spending too much time in infinite-dimensional space, phantom
< 1381188852 349394 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381188855 689003 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you've been spending too much time around analysts
< 1381188858 567249 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas only logicians care about tarski?
< 1381188862 448595 :JWinslow23_!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1381188868 356802 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, well, which one is closer to this channel
< 1381188872 58606 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i do avoid logicians when i can...
< 1381188901 252230 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did we ever do to you
< 1381188904 165232 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmers are confused and scared by reals, man
< 1381188911 957579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because real numbers are /fucked up/
< 1381188918 543002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well you see, since tarski and banach are both half of banach-tarski, they are also equivalent to the whole
< 1381188925 428797 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see like that *points and laughs at kmc*
< 1381188951 78984 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh ofc.
< 1381188957 263220 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though speaking of unknown hyphenated mathematicians, i only looked up who bendixson was today
< 1381188962 210019 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i already forgot
< 1381188971 308354 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381188977 861291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job
< 1381188981 93010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good story
< 1381188998 572887 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As a young student Bendixson made his name by proving that every uncountable closed set can be partitioned into a perfect set (the Bendixson derivative of the original set) and a countable set." deep, apparently
< 1381189024 444646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he was just trying to get the name bendixson on things
< 1381189040 829421 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know i would
< 1381189044 940754 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematicians: taking derivatives of things since 1680
< 1381189053 695068 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he's mostly known for the "poincaré-bendixson theorem" and poincare is obviously famouser
< 1381189057 437421 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUGH he was a fucking SWEDE
< 1381189076 905909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the curry-howard correspondance is the curry-howard-de Bruijn correspondance in .nl
< 1381189091 409224 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of weird to say someone's name is cool and then complain about their nationality
< 1381189104 869106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo debruijn++
< 1381189137 382627 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, i... didn't say it was cool!
< 1381189144 221250 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you implied it
< 1381189154 821647 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :implying is the new saying
< 1381189198 229968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You infer, I imply"
< 1381189207 201327 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh, i only heard of him because of cantor-bendixson rank
< 1381189221 120460 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh i have never heard of that
< 1381189233 274444 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he's more famous than i realized..................
< 1381189248 864169 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1381189261 180830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the "s" actually do anything in "Bendixson"?
< 1381189269 172722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just like, okay, here's an "s" to help you get over that "x"
< 1381189276 3847 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says he's son of bendix obviously
< 1381189277 490574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably copied other people's work and pretended he discovered it independently
< 1381189283 653035 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get his name on things
< 1381189303 23500 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well poincare-bendixson was him ironing out an earlier proof by poincare.
< 1381189356 337297 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but it went the opposite way with "bendixson-dulac"
< 1381189380 833231 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe mathematics isn't actually driven by single geniuses and a bunch of hangers on........
< 1381189478 372072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381189482 18304 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: seems "bengtsson" is another form
< 1381189554 848164 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381189558 281688 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe mathematics isn't actually driven by single geniuses and a bunch of hangers on........
< 1381189570 944218 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1381189577 134452 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :on this general topic can i have 3 minutes of hate for the wolframs
< 1381189587 655708 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plural, now?
< 1381189595 897940 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1381189596 445393 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think the s does something, yes
< 1381189634 144438 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ben dix son
< 1381189653 163486 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw a new kind of science in my uni bookstore, had a good chuckle
< 1381189662 23782 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :conrad's now going around doing TED speeches about how terrible maths education is and how we all have to fix it by teaching all the kids with mathematica
< 1381189675 661361 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love ted talks. they're so bad
< 1381189689 552083 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also elliott you know alice atlas?
< 1381189706 981885 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wolfram has been a prominent proponent of 'Computer-Based Math'- a reform of mathematics education to make greater use of information technology. [4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12]" hmm not sure i buy it better find some more sources
< 1381189716 46547 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :warwick has a big TED^x conference
< 1381189721 201872 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know people who go and all
< 1381189721 792326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: yeah, for 7 years :)
< 1381189728 589902 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for the world being small
< 1381189735 598242 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«he argued that "Maths should be more practical and more conceptual, but less mechanical,"[19] and that "Calculating is the machinery of math - a means to an end."» is this even coherent
< 1381189770 702759 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what i've seen of tedx has been way worse than even regular ted
< 1381189784 214099 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, keep in mind that vortex math had its big break at a tedx
< 1381189794 266283 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1381189797 311624 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only seen the vortex math tedx
< 1381189814 298159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of joke about how singular geniuses are not invertible
< 1381189816 613201 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a good tedx though
< 1381189822 741783 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last ted talk i saw was this neuroanatomist going on about the mystic experience she got from a hemorrage
< 1381189829 407819 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you even say to that
< 1381189836 822916 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tedx presumably?
< 1381189837 522278 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1381189839 386397 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i'm sorry your brain blew up but i don't care"
< 1381189839 708134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you all heard the story about my dad and vortex math
< 1381189858 818293 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely remember something about it but i could be imagining
< 1381189899 934173 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so generally when i hear about such hilariously bad talks they are TEDx but are there notable TED-proper instances?
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< 1381189916 154360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i showed it to him
< 1381189918 606103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... is TEDx like UberX
< 1381189924 619021 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tedx is ted by third parties
< 1381189927 823023 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he was all like "this guy's onto something, i'm interested"
< 1381189935 997837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cut rate version of TED where they let random jerkoffs do it
< 1381189938 228186 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, yes
< 1381189940 516267 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1381189952 53426 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: the one i'm talking about was ted proper actually. jill bolte taylor if you want to look it up
< 1381189979 824855 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uberx is fine, so is lyft, cab drivers are not really less jerkoff-y than randoms
< 1381190029 106667 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are maybe better at driving but not necessarily
< 1381190105 634360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is lyft still legal
< 1381190111 753718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they really still relying on the "donation" thing
< 1381190147 615363 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't they legal the same way uberx is?
< 1381190152 160059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which way is that
< 1381190152 728444 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's lyft and why would it be illegal
< 1381190170 722588 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the donation number is inscrutable
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< 1381190186 594766 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no price list or anything
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< 1381190490 894005 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so http://governmentdownforeveryoneorjustme.com/ reports the US and Syria as down
< 1381190493 882095 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but such places as Somalia and Afghanistan and Congo-Kinshasa and Afghanistan as up
< 1381190496 888754 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems dubious
< 1381190540 644706 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is afghanistan down? (twice?)
< 1381190560 153637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does it say about Syria
< 1381190562 974006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it geolocated?
< 1381190576 202433 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also somaliland is fairly stable, i even know a person living there in another irc channel
< 1381190582 780101 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as the US
< 1381190584 56858 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :var down = ["United States", "Syrian Arab Republic"]
< 1381190602 599026 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah somaliland is as fine as can be expected
< 1381190605 839077 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the syrian government is still, i mean, functioning
< 1381190611 379364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can congo-kinshasa be down we norwegians were just trying to negotiate with them
< 1381190623 503622 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just had a coup a few months ago.
< 1381190626 782654 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean US diplomacy goes on too
< 1381190636 372614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as fine as can be expected" should be their tourism motto
< 1381190641 499369 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, i think
< 1381190677 678252 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Syrian government is significantly less functional than the US government at this point
< 1381190687 148596 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted
< 1381190704 938478 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you hear, assad said he's not sure whether he'll run for election next year, he'll only do it if the syrian people really want
< 1381190783 665015 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh bother, i was thinking of the central african republic, not the congo
< 1381190794 460914 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the people who are not shooting at me want me to run"
< 1381190794 676812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEE?
< 1381190812 566023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: preferably as fast as he can
< 1381190813 542478 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether centrafrique is down is also open to question
< 1381190823 530582 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in a sort of "responds to ping but slow as balls" state
< 1381190833 494496 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey nice, the CAR's timezone is called WAT
< 1381190836 890725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "I'll only let the people decide if they want me if they decide they want me"
< 1381190849 624113 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm paraphrasing ok :(
< 1381190878 284729 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57606012/syria-president-bashar-assad-says-too-early-to-say-whether-hell-seek-re-election-next-year/
< 1381190931 384896 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that really sounds like an onion headline
< 1381190947 812243 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the exact reaction i've seen in the three places i've seen a link.
< 1381191008 251219 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like a nasty rhetorical trick to say "I'll only run if people want me" because you're implying that "if I run, people want me, you wouldn't want to vote against the people now would you"
< 1381191042 396782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if we had some kind of system where you could "vote" for the person you want
< 1381191053 54266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then people could run regardless if anyone wants them or not, and the "votes" of the "people" would decide "who the people want"
< 1381191056 4200 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's really a problem, because when people say that they're usually already in kill-the-people 99%-election-results mode
< 1381191060 699450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty innovative if you ask me!
< 1381191068 911329 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i mean, what's a rhetorical triq or two
< 1381191123 784608 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I allowed to be a bit bothered at the idea of a Lisp having 'calling conventions' for Lisp functions, that can end up exposed to the user?
< 1381191137 753095 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's bothering
< 1381191149 956112 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what does that have to do with Syria
< 1381191160 140882 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way Racket does function calls that have keywords
< 1381191166 60207 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies acceptable for this question
< 1381191179 596887 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They expand into a call to the function with the list of keywords and keyword values as first two arguments
< 1381191187 420496 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a calling convention, of sorts, isn't it?
< 1381191213 762284 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't having keywords at all a calling convention
< 1381191217 302895 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not having them, for that matter
< 1381191372 921055 :Zuu__!zuu@77.215.149.86 NICK :Zuu
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< 1381193457 980255 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? myanmar
< 1381193459 792853 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :myanmar? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381193466 265355 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? burma
< 1381193468 523211 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask Bike
< 1381193502 585924 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you require medical assistance
< 1381193532 625655 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1381193541 477298 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, i don't think so
< 1381193541 623037 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1381193545 836974 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :would i know if i did?
< 1381193550 741704 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know
< 1381194176 958852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :odds are high
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< 1381194800 162688 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys, you know this? https://github.com/isomorphism/Delineate/blob/master/Control/Delineate.hs
< 1381194818 152071 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you do. Everyone in this channel has now heard of that file dozens of times.
< 1381194843 614801 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out that yeah, it's wrong. It allows you to derive "f ⊢ Unit" for all f, which you can't do in linear logic.
< 1381194874 369241 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because "f ⊢ Unit" amounts to "forall r. (Unit r -> r) -> f r -> r", and "Unit r" is a unit type.
< 1381194950 176095 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hetch, the module itself contains something which you can't do in LL.
< 1381194963 145631 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, I was reading that wrong.
< 1381194978 501381 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "weakdist :: x ⊗ (y ⅋ z) ⊢ (x ⊗ y) ⅋ z", which I was reading as "weakdist :: x ⊗ (y & z) ⊢ (x ⊗ y) & z".
< 1381195010 542542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine this would be much clearer without those white squares in it.
< 1381195037 959614 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :White squares like ⊢, ⊗, and ⅋?
< 1381195041 594149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1381195051 74969 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, gimme a moment.
< 1381195069 695536 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "weakdist :: x (y z) (x y) z", which I was reading as "weakdist :: x (y z) (x y) z".
< 1381195088 623070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats tswett -----###
< 1381195137 326172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i could see & just fine.
< 1381195191 84632 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah.
< 1381195199 804107 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "weakdist :: x (y z) (x y) z", which I was reading as "weakdist :: x (y & z) (x y) & z".
< 1381195220 837425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUCH BETTER
< 1381195247 921620 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's this look: 私のボオルは青いです
< 1381195281 775524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like 私のボオルは青いです
< 1381195331 468772 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what *is* ⅋?
< 1381195355 510351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's par for the course
< 1381195355 655911 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, I spelled ボール wrong.
< 1381195389 69021 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"js.js is a JavaScript interpreter in JavaScript. Instead of trying to create an interpreter from scratch, SpiderMonkey is compiled into LLVM and then emscripten translates the output into JavaScript."
< 1381195405 276393 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: a process obeying the protocol "a ⅋ b" is a process that simultaneously obeys "a" and "b", switching between them as it desires. Pretty much.
< 1381195422 345717 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmkay
< 1381195454 277435 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, e.e
< 1381195457 690136 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that, uh, Haskell?
< 1381195462 967108 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: no, it's linear logic.
< 1381195469 363643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's sparta
< 1381195473 21795 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a little rough spot there, though.
< 1381195509 173909 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :weakdist appears to be of kind (* -> *) -> ((* -> *) -> * -> *) -> * -> *
< 1381195552 338717 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If flow enters an "a ⅋ b" through the "a" side of it, then flow can't exit through the "b" side, because "b" hasn't been entered yet; flow can only exit through a protocol that it's entered.
< 1381195597 334632 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, in theory, that's how it *would* behave, if things were as simple as "a process that ... as it desires".
< 1381195756 992056 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So here's the more complicated and more correct point of view: a process obeying the protocol "a ⅋ b" is a protocol that will obey "a" and is in the midst of obeying "b", or vice versa, and can switch between which one it's in the midst of obeying at will.
< 1381195760 313467 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This doesn't make any sense, does it.
< 1381195768 629760 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme give an example.
< 1381195846 533939 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uh, let's say that a VM3-Coke is a vending machine that has the property that when you push its button, it dispenses a Coke, but only the first three times you push it. Likewise with a VM3-Pepsi.
< 1381195909 450596 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "VM3-Coke ⅋ VM3-Pepsi" is a machine that's a combination of a VM3-Coke, and a VM3-Pepsi-whose-button-has-already-been-pushed-but-which-has-not-yet-dispensed-a-Pepsi. Or the same but with Coke and Pepsi swapped.
< 1381195953 480141 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, let's suppose the Pepsi button is the one that's already been pushed. The combination machine isn't going to dispense anything until you push the Coke button. When you do, it could dispense either a Coke or a Pepsi, as it desires.
< 1381196015 796684 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's suppose that it chooses to dispense a Pepsi. Now it's a VM3-Coke combined with a VM2-Pepsi, such that the Coke button has already been pushed. Now it's not going to do anything until you push the Pepsi button.
< 1381196043 302429 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to #esoteric, where theoretical computer science is explained using everyday stuff
< 1381196407 484143 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't seem like a very good vending machine.
< 1381196512 64137 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree.
< 1381196529 20545 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i don't use soda machines, maybe i'm naïve here
< 1381197197 627379 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1381199333 877507 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any language that I have become interested in that didn't have at least one non-me person in here interested in it as well?
< 1381199408 931365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rebol?
< 1381199605 361400 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, probably. Although someone here could be interested and just not in the chat, because it's non-IRC
< 1381199609 725733 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Stackoverflow Chat)
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< 1381203392 163740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: what brings you back here
< 1381203469 22506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess i can preänswer a question like that as far as lexande goes
< 1381203578 597620 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves to lexande?
< 1381203687 247586 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves to Fiora?
< 1381203700 621231 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: people need a place to go?
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< 1381203742 357991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's about that, isn't it.
< 1381203784 210295 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this gossip
< 1381203799 511374 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not aware of any gossip
< 1381203811 244725 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not sure what preänswer shachaf was alluding too
< 1381203819 540999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one you said
< 1381203861 135399 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "that" is gossip i'm thinking
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< 1381203888 728739 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that people need a place to go is gossip?
< 1381203903 733970 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the thing shachaf said is! possibly.
< 1381203924 178988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind.
< 1381203956 352228 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything except vague rumors of things involving kmc and lexande and alice and other people
< 1381203992 57577 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: do you know alice?
< 1381204018 256185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is alice?
< 1381204030 533795 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see.
< 1381204041 989150 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... third hand or something <.<
< 1381204267 262274 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: see what?
< 1381204314 119092 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is truly important in this life.
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< 1381214547 889742 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1381214558 309097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never met alice
< 1381214574 789972 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.141.31.232.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's that?
< 1381214581 727767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry about it.
< 1381214588 895339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a convo going on before you arrived
< 1381214589 40855 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.141.31.232.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okeydokey
< 1381214603 675175 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.141.31.232.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought so. I'll look it up in the log
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< 1381215307 723900 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: maybe you should come to NYC sometime
< 1381215415 897587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1381215443 494669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have lower affinity for aeroplanes than I used to :/
< 1381215449 231121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, yes
< 1381215482 629298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could take the TRAAAAAIN
< 1381215547 935368 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so long
< 1381215885 453518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could Work From Train though
< 1381215906 918468 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno how the 4G coverage is along that route
< 1381215951 439907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have fewer Gs than that anyway
< 1381215958 401386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I should fix that before such a trip
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< 1381216398 987821 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you had a sprint LTE thing
< 1381216440 325947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't your cellular phone have that many Gs just in its name
< 1381216526 723079 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :galagzy neggsus?
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< 1381216641 727989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's the EVO 4G but in this case 4G = WiMAX = sucks
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< 1381217032 61721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it compare to HSPA+
< 1381217051 714703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1381217060 302192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about... phones, and stuff
< 1381217174 746029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that HSPA+ was just 3.75G.
< 1381217230 745772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can round that up to 4G
< 1381217236 899397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also round 3G to 4G
< 1381217344 720842 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, some guy on the osdev forums seems to consistently use "winchester" as the word for hard drive
< 1381217353 123224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha that's oldschool
< 1381217501 646123 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The IBM 3340 Direct Access Storage Facility, code-named Winchester, was introduced in March 1973 for use with IBM System/370."
< 1381217542 419883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was supposed to be something about them being as loud as a Winchester rifle
< 1381217607 848381 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently because it was 30+30MB and .30-30 is a rifle model
< 1381218164 293708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1381218175 630667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is meant by "30+30MB"
< 1381218201 426497 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :two disk packs of 30 MB that could be swapped, or something
< 1381218207 368342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1381218277 52646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also a 3.9G something.
< 1381218282 688977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"an access time of 25 milliseconds"
< 1381218311 624884 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusingly that number has barely improved in 40 years, if you exclude SSDs
< 1381218328 525827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/wd0s1 and so on.
< 1381218380 286971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For Western Digital, even though presumably most of the disks so called haven't even seen one.)
< 1381218445 771785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The name 'Winchester' and some derivatives are still common in some non-English speaking countries to generally refer to any hard disks (e.g. Hungary, Russia)," claims Wikipedia.
< 1381218504 645860 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A merevlemez (az egykori angol elnevezés alapján winchester-nek is), mely az adatokat mágnesezhető réteggel bevont lemezeken tárolja, melyet a forgó lemez fölött mozgó író/olvasó fej ír vagy olvas."
< 1381219080 883061 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cray x-mp came with an (optional) 1GB/s SSD (the way I read it, 2GB/s if you use both I/O channels)
< 1381219090 628380 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... holds up surprisingly well compared to modern SSDs (though of course that SSD's probably the size of a room, the prize of a bus and only 1GB big)
< 1381219125 879431 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I've heard 'winsu' once or twice but I guess the heretical 'kovo' is the Standard™ nowadays.
< 1381219203 914008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which language?
< 1381219290 331425 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish.
< 1381220254 729337 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird to think that such a ubiquitous word as "software" was a kind of punny coinage 50 years ago
< 1381220289 381808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't think I've heard "winsu" ever. ("kovo", yes.)
< 1381220356 22364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some have strong opinions on how the latter should not be used for anything else than the building material.
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< 1381235369 278417 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good zsh morning!
< 1381236873 192038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good scsh afternoon.
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< 1381237551 481590 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: people use it?
< 1381237656 225050 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(besides, the main dev seems to be one hell of a grumpy person.)
< 1381237726 154742 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381237818 811774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't implying that.
< 1381237879 125613 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381244525 133316 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal NICK :Vorpal
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< 1381245032 589634 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `?
< 1381245038 251918 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381245217 845370 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quine
< 1381245219 989667 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quine
< 1381245224 819794 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? JWinslow23
< 1381245227 736039 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23 is a Wisconsinite who doesn't give a BF.
< 1381245251 723748 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will soon make a truth machine in TicTacToe!
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< 1381247098 929622 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell lexande http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yFhR1fKWG0
< 1381247099 75079 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1381247265 743643 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this shit
< 1381247315 733377 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what inspires me is teaching JavaScript to African refugees
< 1381247414 163528 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sister was talking about that recently
< 1381247437 146879 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has some other great stuff as well.
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< 1381248428 307574 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://safr.kingfeatures.com/idn/etv/zone/xml/content.php?file=aHR0cDovL3NhZnIua2luZ2ZlYXR1cmVzLmNvbS9CbG9uZGllLzIwMTMvMTAvQmxvbmRpZS4yMDEzMTAwM185MDAuZ2lm hm
< 1381248470 454091 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1381248474 225070 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to make it giant.
< 1381248679 664129 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever had sea cheesy baked potatoes
< 1381248679 952659 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1381249170 952639 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, the guy after him completely seriously said that "history shows that the countries that explore have the highest standard of living"
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< 1381250843 822098 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow
< 1381250857 530081 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow by only being on this channel once a year
< 1381250859 939177 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got into the pdf
< 1381250860 380088 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric : GCC: -Os -O2 -O3 gives a 4x improvment
< 1381250865 95814 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha i was like, 10 then
< 1381250865 646426 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what
< 1381250953 607931 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back from lunch, and the shanty wasn't half bad.
< 1381251002 809211 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs addquote.*asie
< 1381251051 812573 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.9344
< 1381251079 583495 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: are you twelve
< 1381251087 340993 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :"like, 10"
< 1381251089 29853 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was actually 14
< 1381251119 468499 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run dc -e '[a=]P?[b=]P?[dSarLa%d0 Style Editor -> New -> img {transform: rotate(90deg);)}
< 1381254942 870468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: I was born and moved around on an island a bit and haven't yet noticed myself being dead
< 1381254950 186385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sayeth the prophecies
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< 1381254979 670067 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The British Experience
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< 1381254999 37338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i "i can't speak to her intestines"
< 1381255005 319802 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1381255009 49163 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haneb
< 1381255029 172126 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1381255205 97905 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tonjour.
< 1381255241 585751 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imnqso, speaking to intestines, be they yours or someone else's, is not a good idea.
< 1381255250 285939 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, my programming lectures are pretty... basic
< 1381255255 721875 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Python-ish
< 1381255265 922535 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you expect otherwise
< 1381255379 123528 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you one of the hexham people
< 1381255402 799393 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lexande
< 1381255405 1400 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381255405 592976 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite the question
< 1381255408 46179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I am the only Hexham person left
< 1381255413 500175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dying breed
< 1381255434 728679 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LastOfHisKind
< 1381255474 629611 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a failure to hexhamkind
< 1381255496 568365 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never been to hexham. i've been to wylam, that's on the way sort of
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< 1381255533 757597 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1381255540 27876 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wylam is a bit past Hexham
< 1381255601 531946 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if i were going to hexham, i'd presumably fly to either london or newcastle, and the train to hexham would take me via wylam
< 1381255611 917399 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is on the way
< 1381255659 266473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know way too much about north-east england for your own good
< 1381255723 397857 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they got that tyne and wear metro
< 1381255729 379946 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, I was thinking of Warden
< 1381255860 762917 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Tyne and Wear Metro goes nowhere near Hexham
< 1381255883 950368 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to know of north-eastern places in the world is an essential survival skill.
< 1381256029 718188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm disappointed with myself for never visiting Bletchley Park
< 1381256106 141905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I wasn't that into crypto until a yearish ago
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< 1381256416 65058 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i know, but elliott expanded the scope of discussion to the whole northeast
< 1381256480 912139 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1381256487 369778 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1381256503 475427 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i have more reason to be disappointed with myself for never visiting bletchley park
< 1381256505 293846 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you know about this
< 1381256538 985766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you've been in london more?
< 1381256541 936835 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that the Tyne and Wear Metro is one of only two metros in the world to have a station on the same line in two different ways?
< 1381256565 309964 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1381256596 888870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you mean
< 1381256615 152003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is the London Underground the other one (Euston), or did I misunderstand the restriction?
< 1381256669 237251 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it would be better to say self-intersecting, self-paralleling things are more common (e.g. Circle Line at Paddington)
< 1381256690 969079 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the two Northern Line branches aren't really the same line
< 1381256695 433176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of the fact that there are two Hammersmith-bound platforms on the circle line at Edgware Road
< 1381256724 729236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not to be confused with the other Edgware Road station next door)
< 1381256726 734743 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, Tyne&Wear and Vancouver Skytrain half self-intersection
< 1381256728 182541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: well it fits the restriction of connecting to the same line two different ways better than most situations
< 1381256732 648782 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/half/have/
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< 1381256977 103027 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :RandstadRail, if you count that, also has such a pretzel topology in Zoetermeer
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< 1381257425 199076 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a half self-intersection possible?
< 1381257526 337770 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe we can claim these are all half-self-intersection
< 1381257554 175116 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :since in each case there are two lines sharing track in one part of the station, and only one of them loops back around to the other part of the station
< 1381258214 492774 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also singapore is building a pretzel-like self-intersecting line but it seems there will be no transfer station at the crossing
< 1381258305 975421 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....?
< 1381258367 598757 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :………
< 1381258395 375638 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ldots{}
< 1381258421 319218 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reread your assertion. no station, therefore no transfer. I was puzzled over the fact that you couldn't change lines at a station.
< 1381258447 845786 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fsvo line)
< 1381258662 607001 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an audition tomorrow
< 1381258671 595508 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am auditioning for Jesus Christ Superstar
< 1381259098 146657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to Bletchley Park (even got the T-shirt) while visiting London in 2011; 'twas an interesting place.
< 1381259103 429753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131008-bp.jpg <- that's from there.
< 1381259125 724641 :bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381259263 62961 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. and there I naïvely hoped that the picture contained fizzie himself.
< 1381259279 711153 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, 5 bit wide paper: is that baudot?
< 1381259279 856731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the source of fungot. (It's not.)
< 1381259280 96632 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: try a new tack..." cases where test is doing something to x? else..."
< 1381259310 725107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it could well be.
< 1381259351 825034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131008-bp2.jpg <- that's where it's from, if it helps.
< 1381259522 872076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and I think I may have pasted this one before for obvious reasons: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131008-bp3.jpg
< 1381259534 743745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if the one we've got on channel is a preceding or a succeeding model.
< 1381259594 228432 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it all depends if he's older or younger than himself.
< 1381259602 799655 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/if/on if/
< 1381259904 472971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there was this ridiculous thing https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131008-bp4.jpg how they kept people from pressing that button I'll never know.
< 1381260068 701904 :bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1381260169 278501 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome bicyclidine
< 1381260173 487123 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :09bicyclid10ine13: W10elcome to the international hub f09or esoteri08c programming language de12s02ign 05and 07depl07oyment! For more infor06mation, 04c09heck o10u02t our wiki:05 htt10p://es07olan12gs.org/wiki/Main_Page.06 (For13 the ot12her kind of esoterica14, try #esot14eric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1381260181 951195 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :disregard the welcome. you didn't see nothing.
< 1381260194 366140 :bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disregarded
< 1381260288 856380 :shikhin`!~Shikhin@120.59.110.81 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1381260357 935147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "bicyclidine"
< 1381260358 925826 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11
< 1381260365 971608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (11+4)/2
< 1381260366 885918 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7.5
< 1381260370 485505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :almostike
< 1381260451 153967 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1381260499 805559 :bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What
< 1381260508 609655 :bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1381260510 192176 :bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1381260634 690916 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipédia doesn't have bicyclidine, but suggests eticyclidine → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eticyclidine
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< 1381262292 14250 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381262348 227967 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone fancy typing this listing into a C64 emulator? http://concoctedlogic.com/wordpress/commodore-64-core-war/
< 1381262686 520639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you could OCR that. (In not many more magnitudes of time than it'd take to type it, but it's the principle that matters.)
< 1381262929 424807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/DJLC <- tessearct with no tuning. "Not too shabby, eh?"
< 1381262949 820349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the words are even correct.
< 1381262980 289001 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1381263105 102767 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like a weird glitchy fungot remix...
< 1381263105 365956 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: thanks anyway dude :) looks like a guy
< 1381263114 486552 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: np.
< 1381263114 917540 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: do you see what i mean is, if your messages happen to go into a particular package?
< 1381263138 677463 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you have packages?
< 1381263138 879032 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: by " imports", do you want
< 1381263148 613155 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oh. so you're a python program in disguise.
< 1381263148 978534 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: bugs are tasty.') it plainly refuses to work though
< 1381263162 725951 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: well, that's what bugs are for.
< 1381263194 574507 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you lied to us! fungot's written in python!
< 1381263230 86104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/OchK <- cuneiform --dotmatrix
< 1381263239 67645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Maybe that's just what it wants you to think?
< 1381263287 676936 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you trust fizzie's opinion on your true identity?
< 1381263296 883418 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you really an "it"? you shouldn't let fizzie talk about you like this
< 1381263297 284121 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: they're have better latency but worse throughput ( unlikely) or it wasn't taught properly ( likely) the reporter is mixed up
< 1381263341 700711 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: indeed. the Reporter Fizzie is mixed up, and wasn't taught properly.
< 1381263474 683639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, just for completeness... gocr: http://sprunge.us/UeHB
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< 1381263892 466686 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: can you OCR the code? fizzie doesn't seem to be succeeding
< 1381263892 671661 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so i imagined the correct thing to do indeed :)
< 1381264285 132059 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: poulet, poulet, poulet, poulet, still not poulet.
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< 1381264440 815448 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant
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< 1381266425 605972 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/mozilla/rust/wiki/Mixed-language-link-time-optimization is really cool
< 1381266453 574272 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381266464 192329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cross-language inlining and dead store elimination
< 1381267594 225818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381267801 615067 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I haven't made debugging particularly easy for me... my "kernel panic" thingy just prints the line number in hex
< 1381268136 124600 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1381268190 217568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the nobel prize went to the people who invented the higgs particle, not to any of those who showed it actually existed. i guess that's usual...
< 1381268243 81126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i wonder what they'll do if, as seems inevitable eventually, a theory isn't proved until after all the theorizers are dead...
< 1381268275 380710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :string theory might end up that way.
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< 1381268373 976790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they _haven't_ given any nobel prizes for string theory, have they
< 1381268424 433701 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381268503 242890 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1381268841 983049 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :physicists should be more like biologists, clearly
< 1381268900 283474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what _does_ kovo mean, originally? (also winsu i guess?)
< 1381268921 161068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gt only gives "hardware"
< 1381268924 768529 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny how people have been pointing out that the 1926 nobel prize went for research that is actually completely wrong
< 1381269001 674598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is it true that both syllables of "ørjan" are stressed
< 1381269028 343570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: um which one
< 1381269098 897321 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in physiology, i meant
< 1381269117 740515 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :guy got the prize for showing that cancer was caused by this little worm thingie
< 1381269160 135262 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a nematode, huh
< 1381269180 852107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm it's in the second pitch accent, which i guess has the two syllables more "equal" than the first one, although i'm not sure they're completely equal.
< 1381269218 193608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's obvious short for "kovalevy" (lit. "hard(sheet/slab/disc/record)"), which properly speaking should mean a kind of a building material (particleboard, fiberboard, HDF; the details are a bit hazy) but is used widely (arguably incorrectly) for a computer hard disk too. (For which the (again arguably) proper word is "kiintolevy".)
< 1381269232 139845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what, i was told that norwegian was easy
< 1381269270 716153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: to pronounce?
< 1381269286 971315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general
< 1381269348 258018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's analytic, so not _too_ many inflections, but it does have gender.
< 1381269396 915537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe a _little_ harder than english in grammar. not quite as awful spelling.
< 1381269419 8501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier than german grammar.
< 1381269421 237435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what!! what is a power series of a language
< 1381269503 790708 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy enough to take the derivative of a language
< 1381269504 407226 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1381269557 361375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Institute (for the Languages (of Finland)) seems to accept "kovalevy" as a synonym of "kiintolevy". But not everyone does.
< 1381269732 299176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well kiinto means "solid", so clearly kiintolevy should mean a _solid_ disk, i.e. SSD.
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< 1381269798 193663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait there's no disk in an SSD
< 1381270239 635660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:11:12: fungot: are you antireflective?
< 1381270239 780974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:11:12: boily: extend a protective arm/ symbian/ series60. :p diamondie well, isn't that enough? ummm......what were we talking about again? huh....really?
< 1381270239 931503 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let me guess: it creates the bf programs out there are made from c, java, or python, or ruby.))
< 1381270240 76844 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: invalid syntax define a way to not explicitly call eval?
< 1381270262 435380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tried to reflect, and was repulsed. i'd say yes.
< 1381270305 707204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i'm not sure there are converters from all of those.
< 1381270305 904581 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a windows driver loader thingy? yes, guile itself is slow too.)
< 1381270418 694390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "levy" does not imply a (round) disc in Finnish, though, and SSD's are generally more or less slab-like, so it still fits.
< 1381270644 517600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SSD-massamuisti" is what fi.wikipedia calls a SSD.
< 1381270655 140194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good, good. your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to get all finns to follow this more logical terminology.
< 1381270678 357833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the "D" could be for "drive" too. Though how logical is that?)
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< 1381270739 975198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not the SSD-massamuisti one)
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< 1381272798 402616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : this image is just designed to get me to stand my laptop up like a book right <-- ouch my neck
< 1381272893 454143 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381273295 907933 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1381273392 169869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: eek
< 1381273657 754392 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381273785 90016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "IT'S ALIVE MWAHAHAHA "
< 1381273786 84654 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "IT'S ALIVE MWAHAHAHA IT'S ALIVE MWAHAHAHA IT'S ALIVE MWAHAHAHA IT'S ALIVE ...
< 1381273819 472943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you alive
< 1381273819 745862 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i was talking about /real/ ants. i'll have to take
< 1381273834 297327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot'll have to take
< 1381273834 580291 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: we have mutable fnord, though. that whole code-is-data thing doesn't mean that they do
< 1381273952 851849 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for chips and for freedom I could die
< 1381274025 604600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you _don't_ want your fnords to mutate. trust me.
< 1381274025 758652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: @quote fungot
< 1381274026 47236 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: number42 annotated 308 with " expansion by gambit of previous code" at http://www.common-lisp.net/ paste/ 490
< 1381274026 192682 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: just as you don't let on, you're jafar hello, sailor
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< 1381278714 570338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf rain
< 1381278729 810878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: halp
< 1381278779 380857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is happy this downpour didn't happen earlier this evening when he was outside
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< 1381283387 461162 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stock market crash kills 49"
< 1381283501 579974 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1381283548 164174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the US government tends to value human life around $6M - $9M
< 1381283566 634674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if the stock market destroys $500M of value then I guess that's as bad as killing 49 people
< 1381283579 896025 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's hard to say how much value is really destroyed (or created!) from a huge notional shift in prices
< 1381283638 933977 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Sw9Fh6uk4Q
< 1381283698 490057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in a country where your healthcare is tied to your job, it's pretty easy for a stock market crash to directly result in people dying
< 1381283734 149720 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1381284261 337345 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381287086 166459 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has apartment. is good
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< 1381295029 942683 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case anyone wants to know what your browser does with https sites with revoked certificates:
< 1381295030 389060 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://lavabit.com/?8-oct-2013
< 1381295048 655874 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome won't let me past
< 1381295985 694011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you cannot fake a revocation for someone else (a tall assumption, i know) that seems reasonable - the genuine site owner has no reason to use the old one, so it's essentially _sure_ to be malicious.
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< 1381296400 37556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1381296455 975690 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381296641 324123 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what kind of "r" is the finnish one?
< 1381296651 424815 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it rolls, but where
< 1381296677 426455 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2071 haha what the christ
< 1381297561 956998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it's "officially" an alveolar trill, the plain IPA /r/. I don't know how to describe it in more detail.
< 1381297617 157787 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://atashi.org/disorientation/ i feel this sums up my svg experience, somehow
< 1381297638 616079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Have to go, bus to catch.)
< 1381297882 757389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wow
< 1381297903 124116 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a more recent issue (published at Black Hat this year) relating to timing attacks on SVG filters applied to cross-domain iframes
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< 1381299173 323907 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 923
< 1381299177 928274 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 923: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly
< 1381299185 795925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Thanks!
< 1381299190 821975 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw
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< 1381302472 616518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diacritical Marks and Peculiar Characters
< 1381302598 138619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a children's book? It sounds like one.
< 1381302634 448960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+115CE SIDDHAM SECTION MARK WITH RAYS AND DOTTED TRIPLE CRESCENTS
< 1381302635 705172 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/mrT3Aoa.png
< 1381302738 439802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :new in ISO/IEC 10646:2014
< 1381302759 836215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Universal Character Set
< 1381302761 873121 :^v!~DerpHerp@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381302862 503972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be some kind of a project that would extend Unicode (up to some reasonable limit) in all cases where there's e.g. some amount that can vary. For example, the above would immediately lead to SIDDHAM SECTION MARK WITH RAYS AND DOTTED QUADRUPLE CRESCENTS and so on, for (let's say) 1..10 crescents. Both DOTTED and not.
< 1381302908 777625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it exists already.
< 1381302966 358357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it doesn't. It's just the rayless undotted version goes up higher.
< 1381302981 97534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there you go, then. All combinations all the time, that's my motto.
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< 1381303358 212329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
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< 1381304580 15504 :kmc_!~keegan@home.pointlesstopology.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone else having trouble accessing EC2 machines and/or http://amazon.com
< 1381305027 979384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp my ISP refuses to talk to amazon for some reason
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< 1381305169 984122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that guy
< 1381305289 50113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo kmc_ > kmc
< 1381305299 700043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1381305331 703914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (compare `on` length) "kmc_" "kmc"
< 1381305347 174364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot more like lambdanot
< 1381305355 12694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the joke is lambdabot is not here)
< 1381305397 377774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :another joke is that i'm tired
< 1381305402 616493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs shachaf
< 1381305577 405937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see you say that to my face!!
< 1381305611 809575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would...
< 1381305625 688926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1381305629 892278 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
< 1381305644 972090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i move to noe valley
< 1381305658 259628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmm
< 1381305673 901781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why noe valley in particular?
< 1381305687 282178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the real question is, why noe
< 1381305693 372251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1381305725 407286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a good place "knows nothing about san francisco"
< 1381305808 97635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :think so
< 1381306497 376854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :san francisco is a good plac
< 1381306498 162772 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1381306510 446429 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you looking at an apartment in noe valley
< 1381306528 253819 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.141.31.232.122 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381306746 80472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not looking at anything right now
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< 1381309898 368255 :Hyphen-ated!~hyphen@c-76-105-241-190.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381315731 240081 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381315740 495702 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1381315755 320885 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got an audition this evening
< 1381315987 828651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember to grip firmly both electrodes of the e-meter.
< 1381316013 201375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, audition, not auditing.
< 1381316141 123473 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The play is apparently a darker version of Jesus Christ Superstar
< 1381316342 533461 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :????? how can you be darker than jesus christ superstar
< 1381316396 520752 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1381316474 342971 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know but they have a pretty big budget
< 1381317231 385691 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah!
< 1381317240 602599 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to ask you guys a question
< 1381317277 612071 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got an algebraic proof that p | (p & q) == p but it is a bit long
< 1381317374 610364 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a nice short proof?
< 1381317405 257488 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, make 2 cases :p
< 1381317421 893327 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or distibution
< 1381317498 132963 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather do it with one case
< 1381317509 712111 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my proof with distribution requires ten steps
< 1381317513 764003 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I require food, bbl
< 1381317543 450745 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1381317560 31391 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1: p = true: true | x = true, p | (p & q) = true = p
< 1381317588 997166 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. p = false: false | x = x, p | (p & q) = p & q = false & q = false = p
< 1381317688 886750 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1381320831 765683 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.246 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381322179 320839 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381323696 423517 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381323804 902270 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381323923 877097 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick NICK :yorickvp
< 1381324305 176993 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381324735 502431 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381324849 810914 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381325267 882934 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-146.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381326193 581083 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-146.york.ac.uk QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )
< 1381326347 335876 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381326679 341319 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381328418 753947 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/10/09/foot_soldier_declares_war_on_sanctimonious_cyclists_dimanno.html "For you to read with a straight face"
< 1381328545 679053 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt manage
< 1381328562 798560 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1381328627 812295 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there weren't bike lanes in the big T.
< 1381328782 523572 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to read that with naught but a single isolated smirl
< 1381329117 515747 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: can I ~duck smirl?
< 1381329143 766957 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh all right
< 1381329148 391872 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :just this once, you understand
< 1381329420 752304 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381329436 16359 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, also i started a new fortress on a glacier
< 1381329442 686605 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1381329452 789512 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far it's been p. boring so i'm planning on piping the magma sea over it
< 1381329517 609998 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if i'll have the wood for the reactors though
< 1381329644 421289 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: thanks!
< 1381329646 618229 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck smirl
< 1381329646 908157 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information
< 1381329663 274514 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks ~duck in the duckads.
< 1381329682 909250 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: use caverns to get wood
< 1381329701 508219 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no coal here either
< 1381329704 757667 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have access to sand you can use three wood to make a screw pump
< 1381329714 600696 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd need steel and a standing military to get into the caverns safely
< 1381329715 169231 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A magma-safe one, at that
< 1381329729 3893 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on a glacier, Taneb.
< 1381329734 198986 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have access to sand
< 1381329743 603136 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trade for it?
< 1381329762 94485 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have plentiful iron, i'll use that for the pump stack itself
< 1381329806 705381 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a weird crossover between minecraft, DF and catan...
< 1381329826 661088 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it is, in a 0:1:0 ratio
< 1381329880 2915 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to work on my fortress
< 1381329891 651587 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my computer is a couple of miles away
< 1381329909 395902 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should've modded anthracite in again...
< 1381329918 593819 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I need to practice for my audition in an hour and a half
< 1381330225 116922 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to set an ssh server on my computer and figure out how to get to it from here
< 1381330251 283947 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, is there any way I could play DF graphically remotely?
< 1381330267 771182 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably installing as little as possible on the client PC
< 1381330322 506235 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do X11 forwarding with putty?
< 1381330327 696772 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could yeah, that
< 1381330334 649818 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :could even use dfhack i guess?
< 1381330352 699974 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dfhack is now absolutely mandatory btw, it incorporates a heap of unofficial bugfixes)
< 1381330381 94775 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfterm looks promising
< 1381330442 952815 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfhack didn't work without x, did it?
< 1381330629 343530 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, dfterm is written in Haskell
< 1381330629 773821 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381330654 130777 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, but it spawns df in a new window iirc
< 1381330667 268750 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, dfterm
< 1381330668 303534 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvmd
< 1381330683 312007 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see if I can set that up tonight
< 1381330728 186548 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in aur :(
< 1381330741 658971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, dfhack works on windows and in general works by adding hooks to libSDL, so...?
< 1381330764 200255 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1381330772 208774 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to play df via ssh
< 1381330888 397496 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1381330915 560755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows X servers are the bests.
< 1381330939 288731 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381330957 631497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The university had a campus-wide license to one of the proprietary ones, possibly Exceed. Not sure if they still do.
< 1381330968 139578 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381331090 976361 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep wanting your morning dew...You're my pizza man, my pizza man. I like spastic golden toys. Keep wanting your morning dew... This huge pizza's made with cheese and broccoli!
< 1381331100 375566 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lyrics of the best song ever!
< 1381331174 928728 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jwinshellow23.
< 1381331182 173041 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you sing?
< 1381331182 467409 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what's an ircat, i wonder... if i remember what they mean.) poor me.
< 1381331199 526479 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, i do sing!
< 1381331364 101991 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1381331380 537977 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I do not like the Python language
< 1381331387 436282 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to, but now I do not
< 1381331402 676676 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the falling out?
< 1381331435 540390 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I didn't touch it for like two years and now I am being forced to
< 1381331452 23620 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :♫♪♩♬♫♪♩♬♫♪♩♬♫♪♩♬♫♪♩♬♫♪♩♬ Everybody sing!
< 1381331457 408799 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1381331474 797526 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can cope, but watching the person next to me debug his code only to find that he had mispelt current_converter halfway down is kinda saddening
< 1381331485 938886 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I couldn't figure out how to serialize data
< 1381331524 687069 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: you should get kmc to form a choir.
< 1381331527 843385 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: pickle.
< 1381331533 376933 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnelloqy.
< 1381331549 191230 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the pickle docs are confusing
< 1381331558 580955 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Pink Floyd
< 1381331564 289541 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :990) and then one day you find, ten years have got behind you, no one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ (Unicode needs a character specifically for "Pink Floyd guitar solo")
< 1381331591 668734 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I know I had to serialize data a long time ago. I completely forgot how I managed that.
< 1381331608 910460 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381331650 758617 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, the logistics in this fortress are way too fucked to get anything done
< 1381331697 96007 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: if you don't have no binary blobs, you could use json. otherwise, probably something along the lines of protobufs and/or *gasp* ASN.1.
< 1381331849 717824 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help quote
< 1381331850 130350 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1381331869 123934 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Tic Tac Toe
< 1381331871 48438 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1381331880 848529 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote TicTacToe
< 1381331882 666439 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1381331888 640152 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang it!
< 1381332023 235544 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Pink Floyd
< 1381332025 198093 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :990) and then one day you find, ten years have got behind you, no one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ (Unicode needs a character specifically for "Pink Floyd guitar solo")
< 1381332107 927034 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :building out dfterm3. good thing the sandboxes exist in 1.18. fscking stupid de câl*sse de annoying cabal dependency hell de maudit qu'ils sont pas foutus d'avoir réglé ça messemble que c't'évident.
< 1381332150 485327 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: is your language specified yet?
< 1381332160 278356 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cabal dependency hell it changed the language boily was speaking in
< 1381332183 740291 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, my language is specified.
< 1381332369 925373 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaah
< 1381332376 458876 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Audition in less than an hour
< 1381332442 753133 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only an audition. what can go wrong? (modulo your head suddenly quantum tunneling into an infinity of brainfuck derivatives, but that's easily cured by two Aspirins and a glass of Arcturan mega-water.)
< 1381332510 593076 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you auditioning for
< 1381332556 826111 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Jesus Christ Superstar
< 1381332625 122675 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you auditioning for jesus christ
< 1381332636 125799 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just auditioning in general
< 1381332649 636329 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I would not mind recieving the role of Jesus Christ
< 1381332704 71388 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: somewhere public?
< 1381332751 467414 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: if I get the role will you come to York to watch it
< 1381332767 427703 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes (no)
< 1381332772 819576 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know where york is
< 1381332783 826654 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only you had come to birmingham
< 1381332797 599154 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know where Hexham is relative to Edinburgh?
< 1381332841 692338 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Edinburgh -> York is twice that vector
< 1381332842 679461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :y...es
< 1381332863 900459 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not in edinburgh
< 1381332879 236087 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, do you know where Coventry is relative to Edinburgh?
< 1381332924 392127 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Coventry -> Edinburgh + 2 * Edinburgh -> Hexham
< 1381332981 65125 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, myname, at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Tic_Tac_Toe
< 1381332982 718408 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope you like vectors
< 1381333037 856262 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, still a bf derivate
< 1381333073 992755 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, york is on the train line i take from coventry to edinburgh
< 1381333086 365777 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: my first language was a bf second derivative
< 1381333088 454165 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: cool
< 1381333100 101488 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know how to make a stack-based 8 command language to base it off of.
< 1381333127 884206 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I am going to find the audition room now
< 1381333131 414875 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D/L/036
< 1381333135 267626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23, this seems kind of boring
< 1381333176 160388 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you played against some fixed ai or something and its moves corresponded to the executed instructions
< 1381333307 450251 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry.
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< 1381337899 62210 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back from lunch, and the espresso was manly.
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< 1381339545 77578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU Make 4.0 is out and it has an embedded Scheme interpreter now: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/make-w32/2013-10/msg00021.html
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< 1381340313 171392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 923
< 1381340314 929569 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 923: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly
< 1381340356 680007 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastewisdom
< 1381340358 383730 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/
< 1381340485 349261 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan why did you pastold me? (pastelogs + @tell, conflagrated)
< 1381340513 964646 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. no lambda.
< 1381340614 489774 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1381340677 504770 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ↑ IEEEEEEEEUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHGHGHGHGHGHGHHLHLHLHLHLHLHLHLHL!
< 1381340703 828105 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was the Sound of the Stance of the Caribou, the Deadliest Candian-Fu Technique!)
< 1381341033 521739 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dahell?
< 1381341037 748687 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you screaming at me about?
< 1381341114 315038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sgeo already `olisted.
< 1381341133 707284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah but I wasn't here at th time
< 1381341134 237845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should put something in HackEgo for this case.
< 1381341136 450205 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: aren't you the lambdabot channeler, or am I grossly mistaken?
< 1381341141 364186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I did suggest that last tim
< 1381341143 868843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*time
< 1381341178 952366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the emphasis was on "should". Maybe we *should* do that, like you suggested.
< 1381341204 584830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But implementing this sort of thing in HackEgo is annoying.
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< 1381341359 886612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is glogbot working again yet?
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< 1381342799 516783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :proggit are criticising GNU Make for adopting != as an assignment operator
< 1381342810 151883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the logic (= for assignment, ! for shell), but it's still a little amusing
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< 1381344368 794281 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: were you audited?
< 1381344399 366148 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye
< 1381344419 599008 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it weird that I prefer beer from cans to beer from bottles?
< 1381344543 50961 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is beer. it doesn't matter.
< 1381344597 619405 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you prefer what you prefer, not much more to it
< 1381344901 429883 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of beer, two days ago I tried a http://brasseursdumonde.com/portfolio-items/seigneur-noir/. it's one fungot of a powerful beer!
< 1381344901 728411 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the general trend of it. i find what rms stands for repellant, and so
< 1381344919 142004 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: sadly, he does repel a lot of people.
< 1381344919 582781 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: man- i don't want to /write/ on a turing machine, i would get some more men!
< 1381344967 144106 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: to get more men: the ambition of about half the world's population. maybe more than that.
< 1381344967 309550 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: how old are you if i get it.
< 1381344974 662043 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'm 24.
< 1381345004 171539 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:7488:1d7:e41f:f45c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381345096 360538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how old are you
< 1381345096 542290 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's my sadol, functional language
< 1381345112 14222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is that an esolang? also you didn't answer the question
< 1381345112 322366 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i don't really look like a klansman? :) what implementation do you use? is it the same person, at least. :)
< 1381345341 869108 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how old is the fungot?
< 1381345342 150059 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i see it you could just do some regex magick and replace email addresses with something less readable.
< 1381345372 808893 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: email addresses are already unparseable enough as they come.
< 1381345373 242011 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but then again i'm planning to use for searches, or maybe even c) but that is the xml family of standards, many of the more direct translation of lambda calculus
< 1381345396 301447 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xml and lambda calculus... now that is an interesting idea.
< 1381345573 373288 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :XSΛT
< 1381345872 495221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily:
< 1381345872 861793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2008-08-14 11:42:44] ... fungot [n=fungot@qeq4.kyla.fi] has joined #esoteric
< 1381345873 7361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2008-08-14 11:43:49] < fungot> Hello. I'm a silly bot written in Funge-98, using the STRN, SOCK and FGRN fingerprints, running under RC/Funge-98.
< 1381345873 153371 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, but is never used. right? doing it the wrong way
< 1381345873 298581 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does a difference of fnord and springs with bullets shooting them at different frequencies when struck, iirc.
< 1381345901 789813 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you are used. all the time.
< 1381345901 977614 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: can you give me more bandwidth or i'll read /dev/ fnord /dev/ kmem
< 1381345914 773888 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ask fizzie :)
< 1381345915 354988 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: corba is really easy to use. in code like that published in a finnish newspaper. i didn't believe that, with huge gaps in numbering now and then
< 1381345933 550846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That makes it sound like you're going to hack out of your box.
< 1381345933 794853 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a thermal camera would be nice if one could these days rely on gcc's tco
< 1381345966 894798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'm not going to buy you a thermal camera.
< 1381345967 180432 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: to continue off topic, but for the offensive language, constant references to buggery and grain alcohol...
< 1381345978 591833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Or booze.
< 1381345978 912989 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: for being irish sounding like a good idea. that happens when you plug a cat into the kitchen, to watch him argue with a lisper.
< 1381345988 302134 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd if=/dev/fnord of=/dev/kmem
< 1381346057 889677 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: it's generally not considered nice to fnord kmem, btw
< 1381346058 103806 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ( sorry to mention the commonwealth they tend to like descriptive programs
< 1381346086 176412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You don't even have any soft bandwidth caps, and getting a fatter pipe would cost more money.
< 1381346086 465322 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well deewiant thinks the jump in subr should not be multiplied beyond necessity. william of occam
< 1381346087 281151 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: we of the commonwealth are descriptive, eh?
< 1381346087 676640 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i was gonna bundle up in srfi form fnord." on the usenet, it's called tv. 3 for two seconds before i can try
< 1381346710 343045 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you of the Dectrip Faith, by any chance?
< 1381346710 488395 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: did al or oleg write one?
< 1381346725 689558 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: don't think so, but you never know with the Gropagas.
< 1381346725 835097 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: consider that nested combination again. :(
< 1381346739 752656 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oooooh, I see. subtle. very subtle.
< 1381346740 183380 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's a concatenative ( aka stack based) languages that allow keyword arguments require that they go to the quechua class anymore. /me going to find a hungarian restaurant
< 1381346766 263262 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, I love you.
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< 1381350757 436065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'I asked some Chromium guys how much of the Pepper API the Flash Pepper plugin used. Their answer was literally "150%."'
< 1381350804 18891 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1381351625 26643 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anything except chromium adopting that pepper api thing?
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< 1381351770 912979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1381351784 693138 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a bunch of chromium internals exposed as an API
< 1381351808 289555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would be hard for e.g. Firefox to adopt it, and this means we can't implement NaCl either
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< 1381351832 635689 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is NaCl based on/related to pepper?
< 1381351869 549777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, when code running in NaCl wants to talk to the browser / the outside world, it uses Pepper
< 1381351873 271192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :salt and pepper
< 1381351957 728992 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pepper is like the system API and NaCl is the runtime/compiler?
< 1381351963 429415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1381351979 702686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway some people (disclaimer: i'm not speaking officially on behalf of mozilla {corporation,foundation}, blah blah blah) see Google pushing NaCl over asm.js as an anti-competitive anti-open-web vendor-lockin dick move
< 1381351999 894796 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, there is https://github.com/google/pepper.js
< 1381352016 177637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do people often assume you're speaking officially on behalf of mozilla?
< 1381352016 570478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will compile NaCl code that calls Pepper APIs into asm.js JavaScript that calls the standard Web APIs
< 1381352034 933284 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no but it seems a prudent disclaimer because I am employed by Mozilla Corporation
< 1381352037 689526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1381352055 940519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I don't know how complete pepper.js is; it certainly sounds like it's not enough to run Flash
< 1381352078 444680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mozilla has a way better solution for Flash in the works, which is just to reimplement it in JavaScript
< 1381352091 146848 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mozilla.github.io/shumway/
< 1381352099 533238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in FF nightlies now I believe
< 1381352101 521482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :behind a flag
< 1381352114 538575 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does its performance compare on like, flash games and animations?
< 1381352129 479634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the thing about /this/ Flash replacement is that apparently it's backed by a large enough organization that it might actually succeed
< 1381352135 497996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, unlike Gnash
< 1381352170 128775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it reimplements Flash on top of an open standard and a memory safe language
< 1381352173 130618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is cool
< 1381352188 184819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think GNU have the resources/momentum to do really any more really large projects
< 1381352193 884864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I don't have numbers, but I saw a live demo last week and it was silky smooth on some real games
< 1381352201 862556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how cherry-picked the set of games was
< 1381352208 388476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they struggle to keep both gcc and Emacs under control, and Hurd isn't really going anywhere
< 1381352249 54330 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know how it does on video (eg YouTube), but I think that shouldn't be hard perf-wise, since you would just send it through to the same code paths that handle tags
< 1381352259 550438 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there were like, plugins that already did that
< 1381352269 634426 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, replaced flash video players with native
< 1381352274 762866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1381352277 407730 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just by like, snooping the html or something?
< 1381352277 630399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a link?
< 1381352280 589703 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm I don't know
< 1381352282 931368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: AFAIK, Flash for video streaming is mostly independent of Flash for games/animation
< 1381352291 861984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, different formats and everything, just with the same brand name
< 1381352294 269991 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I remember, like, a ton of flash video is just something like
< 1381352298 605944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've vaguely wanted something like that; or also something that runs Gnash just far enough to get a flv url
< 1381352300 329891 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1381352304 182160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.flv can already be played by a bunch of video players (VLC, for instance)
< 1381352308 781339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right
< 1381352320 851196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yeah, sometimes it's easy to get a url from the HTML; sometimes it's hard
< 1381352323 643975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the problem's just trying to get past all the obfuscation
< 1381352331 234811 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you use youtube-dl?
< 1381352331 414318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: NoScript's quite good at getting at the URL
< 1381352331 788410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can actively obfuscate it, esp. if they want to force some ads or DRM on you
< 1381352335 52626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: sometimes
< 1381352343 364925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not perfect
< 1381352345 452619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, I didn't know it has that power
< 1381352346 913850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1381352357 212203 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the Web APIs are getting DRM now too :(
< 1381352367 886503 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah what's going on there exactly
< 1381352375 517712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know anything about it actually
< 1381352378 65194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: if you click on a blocked Flash video when the rest of the page is unblocked, it typically gives you the actual URL in the confirmation message
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< 1381352391 606059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that people are Pissed Off
< 1381352396 739905 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :same.
< 1381352403 136673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically they're just providing a standardised API to connect to DRM plugins via HTML, I think
< 1381352408 130742 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where again people = some people, not speaking officially on behalf of my employer
< 1381352415 770372 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hearing about that really confused me. like. are the plugins going to be cross-platform or something?
< 1381352424 210616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems to create some minor problems, without actually solving any problems at all
< 1381352432 727001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: nothing's forcing them to be, = most likely no
< 1381352459 181715 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... confused as to like. why that is literally any different from how it is now o_O
< 1381352459 855028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't fucking understand why publishers think DRM is worth their time and energy
< 1381352464 11633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably they are not all stupid
< 1381352467 612771 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I must be missing something
< 1381352471 911279 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like now there's platform-specific browser plugins and stuff for DRM Things
< 1381352485 687277 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I mean, they wouldn't do this unless it somehow was better than that for at least someone (?)
< 1381352491 570320 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... this... sounds identical?
< 1381352492 202426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :walled garden app stores, game console locking, software DRM all make business sense to me
< 1381352495 812717 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :video DRM does not
< 1381352519 731973 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it only takes one person to crack it and they can redistribute the clean file effortlessly
< 1381352535 48435 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is less true for software
< 1381352559 479486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the first two of those are more about making life hard for competitors than making it hard for pirates)
< 1381352561 543110 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and for like, live streaming stuff some people will just run a screen capture tool and restream it on ustream or something
< 1381352565 597659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1381352635 817412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the analog hole is impossible to close, best you can do is some sort of steganography so that you can catch the people who did it
< 1381352666 703861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ofc HDMI is 100% broken so you can't even secure the digital hole while retaining compatibility with anyone's existing equipment
< 1381352685 480811 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched series 7 of Peep Show from some sketchy video site which had video capture of someone else watching it from the official Channel 4 site
< 1381352694 898435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the crypto's weak enough that it got broken simply by collecting enough HDMI players from different manufacturers)
< 1381352722 17874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Impossible" schmimpossible, you just need some kind of a TPM inside the brain of the vic^Wcustomer, and an end-to-end encrypted path to there.
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< 1381352815 896182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud
< 1381352816 79958 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages
< 1381352841 277480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : @tell oerjan why did you pastold me? (pastelogs + @tell, conflagrated)
< 1381352853 933595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: to find out wtf you were responding to
< 1381352898 108829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily to find out wtf you were responding to
< 1381352898 254131 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1381353150 970742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of web technologies, how's Silverlight doing these days?
< 1381353191 760983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Netflix may be the only significant user, but they're pretty significant
< 1381353202 365714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Microsoft abandoned it, and stopped telling people to use it
< 1381353218 188177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Netflix continued using it anyway, but it'd be crazy to use it for any new project
< 1381353240 831260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume Netflix on Android has nothing to do with it though?
< 1381353243 64952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the ones pushing DRM in HTML5, I think
< 1381353244 831106 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. I recognize that I may sometimes have some slight temporary trouble with context and stuff.
< 1381353276 430486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Google Play seems to have started offering music -- in addition to books and apps -- for sale in Finland; that's new.)
< 1381353336 864245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No movies/TV yet.)
< 1381353349 944648 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that time of the day in the year where every shiny surface conspires to blind you.
< 1381353652 176153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yørjan
< 1381353819 640763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shallo
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< 1381353846 683024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2013/10/going-beyond-vulnerability-rewards.html
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< 1381354046 810253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$500 for getting rid of strcats?
< 1381354130 640543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they keep the strmouse population under control :<
< 1381354148 970629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Why don't you earn your electricity for once and go do something like the aforementioned?
< 1381354149 204908 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen
< 1381354156 377107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's cool
< 1381354158 844379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1381354158 989748 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1381354170 926249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I make security improvements to BIND then google will give me some cash?
< 1381354191 917933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should bust out my Autoconf auto-hardening code and get rich
< 1381354199 928977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if it has "demonstrable, positive impact".
< 1381354301 60701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one idea we've kicked around for Servo is running image decoders, etc. in a NaCl-like sandbox
< 1381354347 807817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, where we don't rewrite them in Rust)
< 1381354520 571369 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cr.yp.to/qmail/qmailsec-20071101.pdf had an exaple of almost exactly that, making a sandbox where a jpeg decoder can only read jpeg from stdin and write data on stdout
< 1381354548 765381 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: does rust let you call asm or the like for things like DCTs?
< 1381354589 31665 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not NaCl-like though, just a unixy sandbox
< 1381354597 271350 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, Chrome already uses OS sandboxing for a lot of things, but I don't think that will scale up to the levels of parallelism we want
< 1381354635 171518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really trust that a pile of rlimit etc. calls would work, but Linux has seccomp via prctl(2) for this purpose
< 1381354652 44186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: is that the prctl sandbox on Linux?
< 1381354663 531516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that turns off all syscalls but read, write, exit, sigreturn?
< 1381354676 697071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, kmc beat me to it
< 1381354676 842167 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :siri vs. eliza → http://imgur.com/a/7xvqs
< 1381354700 632059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually used that at work
< 1381354702 738488 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that pdf was much more interesting for the other points than the one example of a sandbox though
< 1381354715 423418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :had to get the computer technicians to set up a VM with it turned on, for us
< 1381354730 663419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the stock Linux builds didn't have that particular prctl enabled
< 1381354736 632730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: we have an (undocumented) inline assembly feature, but also you can call any function that complies with the C ABI
< 1381354747 328595 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhh so you can just write a cdecl function and call that
< 1381354751 159214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1381354757 536912 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't ,like, insist all your code is safe
< 1381354760 827841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1381354813 119004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact Rust has first-class support for unsafe pointers and the like, you just need to be inside an unsafe { ... } block to use them
< 1381354845 192523 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like there's a keyword 'unsafe'
< 1381354857 171011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, Rust's opinion about unsafe code is similar, in its own way, to Haskell's
< 1381354869 681103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has to be correctly labelled or the type system bitches at you
< 1381354908 871379 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the approach for doing that in Haskell (Safe Haskell) is new and bolted-on and pretty complicated
< 1381354931 297050 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah
< 1381354934 666673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are similar philosophically
< 1381354991 697032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also declare functions with 'unsafe fn' in which case they can only be called from an unsafe { ... } block or another such function
< 1381355026 590464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1381355031 400686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can import a C library, define an unsafe API (which might still be higher level in some ways), and then provide a safe wrapper where your proof obligation lies at a particular point in the code
< 1381355035 409788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is cool
< 1381355045 777319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you have unsafe fn arguments?
< 1381355061 336439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well
< 1381355062 245325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would that mean?
< 1381355070 33125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say I want to use "map" from within an unsafe function
< 1381355075 543641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and give it a unsafe function as a argument
< 1381355078 594009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as an
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< 1381355088 427083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting question!
< 1381355088 645271 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1381355089 587832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I need to create a separate unsafe_map
< 1381355090 976455 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't thought about that
< 1381355094 769426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you do :(
< 1381355095 167346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can map be polymorphic on unsafety?
< 1381355118 801211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: thinking about this sort of thing is what I do, nowadays
< 1381355137 290341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have polymorphism over safety, nor over mutability, nor over type constructors even :(
< 1381355143 575189 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh? what are you working on?
< 1381355168 392306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: resource-bounding type systems
< 1381355180 385768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most recently, attempting to make the type system polymorphic in sharing
< 1381355183 774323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1381355187 725305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and parallelism
< 1381355201 726986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, with the existing type systems, if I want to implement "let" syntactic sugar
< 1381355214 948188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that binds multiple variables
< 1381355228 345667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it desugars to is different depending on whether the variables can execute in parallel, or whether they can share resources
< 1381355240 633704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they can't both execute in parallel /and/ share resources, that's the point of the type system)
< 1381355254 576050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new type system desugars it consistently in both cases
< 1381355772 289416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1381355781 978661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what system is this?
< 1381355817 769857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the old system is called Syntactic Control of Interference, you can find a bunch of papers about it on Google Scholar
< 1381355827 623343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new one is new, and not written up in enough detail to be public yet
< 1381355830 402831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'll be in my PhD
< 1381356036 364211 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1381356045 860709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a substructural type system then?
< 1381356086 356888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not 100% sure on what substructural means, but almost certainly yes
< 1381356117 166701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1381356204 159359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a structural subtype system
< 1381356211 731634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also a thing yes
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< 1381356255 85937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the phrase "substructural subtyping" has three results on the google
< 1381356264 34549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one is about go
< 1381356278 490790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language, or the game, or something else entirely?
< 1381356297 247742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the healthy-ish fast food chain that supplies Birmingham University, for instance?)
< 1381356306 770919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a substructural system you aren't automatically allowed to duplicate / discard / reorder the elements of the type context
< 1381356371 525425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1381356388 126035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :going down the tree, or upwards?
< 1381356411 481480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't allow contraction, but I do allow weakening (it's affine, not linear), and banning reordering would be ridiculous outside esolangs IMO
< 1381356429 507796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Affine type systems are substructural, sure.
< 1381356432 400945 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1381356446 442716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's affine
< 1381356465 26622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, does "affine" in general have any meaning other than "linear but not quite"?
< 1381356475 409474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used to mean that in several different contexts
< 1381356484 872610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust has affine types, and the stuff you mentioned with checking non-interference between lets sounds similar to Rust's uniqueness and borrow checkeing
< 1381356503 186218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally see "affine" used to mean "0 or 1" in some sense or another.
< 1381356507 537248 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an affine space is like a vector space except we forgot who's zero
< 1381356516 398381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "linear" is "exactly 1" and "relevant" is "1 or more"
< 1381356544 710928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I made that up, I don't know.
< 1381356559 810310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's not the same as Rust, but there's a similar spirit there, I think
< 1381356563 826208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1381356567 550814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think it works with all the uses I've seen.
< 1381356570 678720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust's aiming to make sure that something isn't deallocated early or late
< 1381356574 832770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so do you infer when things can run in parallel?
< 1381356585 942425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas I'm trying to make sure that things aren't copied inappropriately
< 1381356588 842973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: in theory, yes
< 1381356592 686439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a sandwich place at the google called go: http://menu-mtv-go.blogspot.com/ i don't know whether it came before or after the language
< 1381356595 591112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although in practice, we don't actually have an inference algo yet
< 1381356597 494569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the type system
< 1381356609 685531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my supervisor wants to just use Z3, though)
< 1381356613 611266 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1381356622 164923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awesome
< 1381356659 202685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO using an algorithm specialized for the task is likely to work better
< 1381356662 929791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who knows, maybe Z3 would work
< 1381356671 818764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how there are four properties of relations, "functional", "total", "injective", "surjective"
< 1381356679 346776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a function is a functional total relation
< 1381356694 391023 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there existing work on implementing type inference with SMT solvers?
< 1381356710 89038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a surjective function is a function that maps each element in the domain to at least one element in the codomain
< 1381356710 648333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: probably not, because at least for Hindley-Milner there's no reason to do so
< 1381356717 415277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :an injective function is a function that maps each element in the domain to at most one element in the codomain
< 1381356738 884291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to find an excuse to use the words "affine" and "relevant" and "linear" there
< 1381356755 700708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced your definitions of surjective and injective are correct
< 1381356759 794386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, most real-world languages with inference go beyond H-M though
< 1381356761 266044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you have the domain and codomain backwards
< 1381356769 198772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Er, yes, I do.
< 1381356787 762381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that direction it's always "exactly 1".
< 1381356790 530976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust has some weird inference corner cases, arising from the fact that we have a *little* bit of subtyping hidden deep down
< 1381356805 657430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A relation is total/functional if its opposite relation is surjective/injective.
< 1381356808 682291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~drg/papers/popl11.pdf is my work on inference algorithms
< 1381356818 882423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1381356839 166466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's inference for SCC, which is basically a type system where the maximum number of copies of anything that might simultaneously execute is statically known
< 1381356852 963012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main result there is that it's decidable, which isn't obvious
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< 1381357159 699966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : is glogbot working again yet? <-- yes
< 1381357171 820195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1381357194 900817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically most of it always did. but Gregor said he fixed the formatted logs.
< 1381357265 900993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you know a good thing to read to learn about linear logic and such
< 1381357285 838271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, I actually don't understand the whole of linear logic myself
< 1381357288 955858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only work with fragments
< 1381357310 436313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one understands par or ?, tru fax
< 1381357323 282834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although learning categorical semantics helps
< 1381357339 41404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is linear logic even like categorically
< 1381357346 793908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the difference between tensors and products (i.e. the monoids of monoidal closed categories, and cartesian closed categories, respectively)
< 1381357348 832143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :people were talking about it a bit in ##typetheory
< 1381357367 46357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: basically for affine, you don't have cartesian closure
< 1381357372 940968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: isn't ?X just "some number of X which is specified by someone else"
< 1381357390 3497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i have no idea
< 1381357393 875754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for linear, your monoid units aren't terminal objects any more
< 1381357399 622711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i like how comonoids become non-boring with linear logic
< 1381357428 35783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do the counits work for comonoids?
< 1381357439 342621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a bit of trouble mentally reversing the definition
< 1381357439 823242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not everything is a comonoid.
< 1381357451 32469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I know
< 1381357453 995070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking, what are the axioms
< 1381357466 843891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1381357471 933274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, left and right coidentity, and coassociativity
< 1381357487 163663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not entirely sure what those are
< 1381357492 122951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. I don't know about linear logic in particular but that's what it'd be in general.
< 1381357520 243170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but what does a coassociativity axiom look like anyway
< 1381357541 413362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a normal monoid, we have (A \otimes B) \otimes C = A \otimes (B \otimes C)
< 1381357553 241728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that makes sense. !x = 1 & (x * !x) isn't it, so by duality you should have ?x = _|_ + (x par ?x). oh wait par.
< 1381357569 126573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there's a par in that, all hope is lost.
< 1381357573 480430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having trouble even expressing the opposite of that
< 1381357587 870121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the arities are all wrong
< 1381357588 650684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the reverse of the diagram in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoid_object
< 1381357632 180991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that diagram is either wrong or doesn't match the text
< 1381357636 283673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses an alpha, exactly once
< 1381357651 131297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no, it's the alpha from the category as a whole
< 1381357662 424449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, that diagram only makes sense for a monoidal category
< 1381357663 488772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's a monoidal category.
< 1381357671 698704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how a monoid object is defined.
< 1381357678 569646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1381357682 817936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the category is still monoidal
< 1381357689 445604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has objects which are comonoids?
< 1381357706 346677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to mentally work out wtf a coassociative cobifunctor was
< 1381357710 671588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1381357726 489201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that concept actually doesn't make sense, it'd explain why I couldn't figure it out
< 1381357753 89961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know comonoids are still defined in a monoidal category.
< 1381357758 35279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so for a comonoid, I start with one M
< 1381357761 168914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and explode it to M x M
< 1381357770 665105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whichever of those Ms I explode next, I get the same M x M x M
< 1381357775 156699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no parens because it's associative)
< 1381357776 447789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can expand either M and you get the same thing (after reässociation).
< 1381357777 683902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where x is an \otimes
< 1381357779 449302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1381357795 588180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, x depends on your choice of monoidal category.
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< 1381357798 646892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cobifunctors sound like something the japanese would invent.
< 1381357804 826663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, but \otimes is the general term
< 1381357826 499923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even in e.g. Haskell you can define monoids/comonoids with (,)/() or Either/Void if you want.
< 1381357836 61220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1381357841 202150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But only one of those four combinations is actually interesting.)
< 1381357848 962788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the categories I've been working with recently are monoidal in two different ways
< 1381357863 81676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean \otimes as in tensor product in the monoidal category, not as in linear logic's \otimes?
< 1381357872 197337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean \otimes as tensor, yes
< 1381357876 184153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, sure.
< 1381357894 609128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :comonoid objects must be much rarer than monoid objects, I think
< 1381357905 49501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I get how they behave, but I'm having trouble thinking up examples
< 1381357907 68926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which category?
< 1381357923 342746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Haskell every type is a ((,)/()) comonoid, of course.
< 1381357947 136780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where counit _ = (), comult x = (x,x)
< 1381357973 382165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, because the comonoid is "aware" of what type it's operating on
< 1381357975 458902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In linear logic, the idea is at least related to !, I think.
< 1381357978 488353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it even works on, say, (Int, Int)
< 1381357991 396993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I start with (2,4), then get (2,4,2,4), and can double either to get (2,4,2,4,2,4)
< 1381357999 61695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without having to worry about accidentally getting (2,2,4) or (2,4,4)
< 1381358020 718376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one level of abstraction below the one I normally work at
< 1381358024 637894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I'm confused
< 1381358041 801439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :categorical semantics has too many levels of abstraction :(
< 1381358065 52729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, does linear logic even have products and so on?
< 1381358080 211734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a terminal object? What are the arrows, anyway?
< 1381358081 227760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has both a product and a tensor, I think
< 1381358104 541062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :full linear logic is what you get when you glue together lots of different type systems
< 1381358119 358289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is par the upside down &
< 1381358139 210627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1381358146 64877 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381358148 409264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be called \dna :(
< 1381358153 56527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* :-(
< 1381358213 932412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, on Wikipedia, [[Categorical semantics]] is a redirect to [[Categorical logic]], which is an overview page linking to [[Categorical semantics]] for the main information
< 1381358255 322474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1381358384 281645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Construct the set S of solutions in the abstract domain of positive integers formed by quotienting Z^0,+ over the equivalence relation a \equiv b iff a=b \vee (a≥2 \wedge b≥2) […]"
< 1381358408 560838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, I effectively got to say in a mathematical paper "assume that the only integers are 0, 1, many"
< 1381358490 151059 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1381358618 187968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mnoqy do you know about categories and linear logic
< 1381358620 982884 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: in the vein of "Rust can handle low-level unsafe things" I'll also mention that the Rust runtime system is mostly written in Rust
< 1381358632 936102 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i know about categories!
< 1381358641 277890 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never bothered to learn linear logic stuff though
< 1381358650 391565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i hi mnoqy do you know about categories par linear logic
< 1381358650 574835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which includes a userspace green-thread scheduler and an implementation of reference counted boxes (and one day, a garbage collector)
< 1381358659 177803 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a green-thread?
< 1381358666 625514 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lightweight userspace threads
< 1381358668 606699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I think it's one that doesn't use the OS threading
< 1381358680 621163 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we map them onto a configurable number of OS threads
< 1381358709 730127 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1381358728 804773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are preemtible whenever they do IO
< 1381358732 977194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-native userspace green-threads implemented without os support
< 1381358741 85240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I was just about to ask about the preëmption rules
< 1381358750 452622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if a thread goes into an infinite loop with no IO?
< 1381358758 440230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. a tight infinite loop)
< 1381358763 273966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so they are less preemptible than GHC threads, which can be preempted on any allocation and these days there's a flag to make them always preemptible)
< 1381358771 358554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it block the other threads in its thread block?
< 1381358773 292807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then it consumes a whole OS thread
< 1381358777 392977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the others can move around
< 1381358781 255395 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scheduler is work-stealing
< 1381358784 189173 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not positive, though
< 1381358784 575644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1381358801 231083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm gonna say "task" instead of "green thread" from here on because that's the Rust terminology)
< 1381358829 368113 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, sending a message to another task will (by default) context switch your thread to that task
< 1381358835 640930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they are kind of like coroutines, performance-wise
< 1381358840 963200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can also do a deferred send
< 1381358874 982583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this sort of thing
< 1381358879 620317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple semantics, optimized implementation
< 1381358897 238666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: so in terms of low level stuff, Rust can basically do anything C and C++ can do, including write a Rust runtime system
< 1381358905 126143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you don't use the RTS features as you are implementing them :)
< 1381358958 759565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fixed your self-redirects
< 1381358973 21270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: on Wikipedia?
< 1381358990 648926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was considering fixing it, but it was hard to think of an improvement
< 1381358997 506039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you don't link against the standard RTS, you can implement just the language features you use
< 1381358999 844053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they were /all/ self-redirects?
< 1381359001 282558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1381359001 776052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which looks like http://ix.io/8fH
< 1381359029 241429 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this code uses ~-boxes therefore it's required to provide the exchange_malloc and exchange_free "lang items"
< 1381359037 601267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which here are just calls to C malloc and free
< 1381359071 901948 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they are also basically just that in the standard RTS, too, but that's subject to change. i think they call a statically linked jemalloc)
< 1381359264 615625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i've been thinking mediawiki needs a way to mark pages as "links to here should get a different color" which can be used on things like this, and redirects from misspellings.
< 1381359280 637415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lacking that, i don't know anything better than turning it into bold.
< 1381359298 315659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now you may tell me this feature already exists twh)
< 1381359303 316929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it implements at least two of those (redirects, short pages), but as user preferences
< 1381359330 169291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a while back, there was a major push at Wikipedia to set the default "short pages" limit at 0 rather than -1
< 1381359334 586082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and set the color to red
< 1381359339 839589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you could delete a page by blanking it
< 1381359340 718746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well the point would be that it wouldn't apply to _all_ redirects, just ones marked with a certain template.
< 1381359343 369000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fizzled out, though
< 1381359349 350128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, that's harder
< 1381359355 767438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. i'd apply it to [[Issac Newton]], my old nemesis.
< 1381359360 16123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, hmm
< 1381359379 626210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do it by spamming the redirects you wanted to mark with a sufficiently long template
< 1381359385 132763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then setting a different color for "redirect, not short"
< 1381359394 705964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1381359395 965811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe there are a few redirects with long spam comments for that purpose on Wikipedia
< 1381359403 889801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I might be wrong
< 1381359408 733200 :ping!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:29e6:dd96:be20:e454 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381359432 218753 :ping!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:29e6:dd96:be20:e454 NICK :Guest54426
< 1381359455 584760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's half useless as a user preference though, since the person who _introduced_ a misspelled link wouldn't see it.
< 1381359472 301599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(being they're obviously too stupid to set preferences)
< 1381359474 754169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah but everything else in Wikipedia is half useless too
< 1381359477 42739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it balances out
< 1381359482 69806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1381359482 899572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, in MediaWiki
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< 1381366907 129258 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function
< 1381367636 166155 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1381368483 533406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :function's nick is constantly variable
< 1381368497 14878 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeap
< 1381368552 473746 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c
< 1381368723 996571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :c̈.c̈
< 1381368731 211772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :.̈
< 1381370221 190422 :Hyphen-ated!~hyphen@c-76-105-241-190.hsd1.or.comcast.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1381371394 616380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyphen-ated, the great pharaoh
< 1381371441 465271 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381371621 120872 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bf -[+>+>+[+<]>+]>-.
< 1381371629 8566 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ]: No such file or directory
< 1381371638 85472 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bf "-[+>+>+[+<]>+]>-."
< 1381371639 575093 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: bf: command not found
< 1381371646 621752 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's !bf
< 1381371659 453739 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf "-[+>+>+[+<]>+]>-"
< 1381371665 449642 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, wait
< 1381371668 32723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp bf -[+>+>+[+<]>+]>-.
< 1381371670 155423 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1381371671 999450 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1381371675 219811 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1381371682 945134 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whe hell is this?
< 1381371692 654547 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks a bit like BOM
< 1381371695 325457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : !bf should work but EgoBot isn't feeling very well
< 1381371697 783383 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to brainfuck constants wiki page, it's 139
< 1381371715 103657 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't understand it
< 1381371739 374402 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main loop ends on a cell which only holds multiple of three
< 1381371774 425594 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so it stops at 3*256 (it is late okay)
< 1381371843 58717 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, but the second cell is supposed to hold 2/3 of the content of the first cell, so that's 2*256
< 1381371859 361420 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just 0
< 1381371894 929715 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1381371903 302142 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm fairly surprised it even terminates
< 1381371926 776581 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the first cell is incremented by 3 every round
< 1381371946 542280 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are going 3 cells to the right every time
< 1381371954 140219 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1381371954 852796 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and neber go back to them
< 1381371958 568680 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1381371961 281096 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh!
< 1381371963 944305 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever
< 1381371977 365420 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the inner loop takes you back to the zeroth cell, which holds a zero
< 1381372007 151155 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second cell is incremented by 2 every round, so it should always be 2/3 of the first
< 1381372039 95539 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the third cell is always 2 less than the second cell
< 1381372079 901123 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't see how the result could be 139
< 1381372148 817271 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
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< 1381373424 664115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf -[+>+>+[+<]>+]>-.
< 1381373424 809556 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1381373438 603823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord ‹
< 1381373438 749262 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :226 128 185
< 1381373456 264294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1381373467 935865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ord ‹
< 1381373470 60999 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :8249
< 1381373485 33706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: ok it's probably 8249 then?
< 1381373501 826270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 8249 `mod` 256
< 1381373502 835460 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 57
< 1381373517 674067 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not convinced
< 1381373546 23977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how those char encodings get messed up. wait function should only be writing one byte, anyhow.
< 1381373558 282773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm it's windows something not latin-1
< 1381373577 389009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably has another unicode code point
< 1381373586 567551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^chr 139
< 1381373586 712929 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1381373593 199478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go, it _is_ 139.
< 1381373655 960438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: ok more seriously, the bf in the other bots is _not_ 8-bit.
< 1381373673 908394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp bf8 -[+>+>+[+<]>+]>-.
< 1381373675 448710 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1381373681 983617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1381373695 111440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extended Brainfuck Coded Decimal Interchange Code
< 1381373716 545644 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shudders
< 1381373717 247657 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it IS a BOM
< 1381373750 858390 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't understand how this works...
< 1381373755 721922 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but good night
< 1381373758 753884 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_
< 1381373768 737757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ic why it's looking strange. HackEgo prepends its usual zero-width space, which is then followed by a _non_utf8 character. therefore the whole mess gets interpreted in latin1/cp1252.
< 1381373804 951373 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ord â
< 1381373807 282182 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :226
< 1381373829 134120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the ​ is the zero-width space while the ‹ is the real output.
< 1381373851 544351 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that space for?
< 1381373865 497374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :preventing botloops.
< 1381373872 390987 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: So bots don't interpret its output.
< 1381373898 942786 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky
< 1381373940 135779 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, if one is mean he could write a bot that acts on zero-width space
< 1381373952 19306 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, friends don't let friends use not-UTF-8.
< 1381373968 183008 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Equivalently, friends don't let friends use Windows. ;)
< 1381374027 701266 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1381374122 383911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf -[+>+>+[+<]>+]>-.
< 1381374122 566450 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1381374160 421772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok after the first loop iteration it's 0 3 2
< 1381374258 55455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 0 6 4 2
< 1381374302 943718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 0 9 6 4
< 1381374404 736877 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should always be 0 1,5x x x-2
< 1381374420 461760 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will break if 1,5x = 256
< 1381374462 842326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what koen_ thought, i think.
< 1381374506 279048 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be 169 then
< 1381374507 31703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think using 1,5 is a very good idea. 0 3x 2x 2x-2.
< 1381374566 139991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: no it would be 255.
< 1381374572 809946 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you calculate another iteration?
< 1381374578 87289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens when x=256.
< 1381374578 408096 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the result
< 1381374583 902174 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1381374595 700622 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at which point 2x should be 17ß
< 1381374598 366037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think i know where this thinking breaks.
< 1381374599 23706 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*170
< 1381374615 539829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: um you aren't using floating point are you.
< 1381374625 970999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not how wrapping 8-bit bf works.
< 1381374634 70829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to calculate mod 256.
< 1381374636 990434 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1381374655 960201 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should happen when 3x = 256
< 1381374666 702931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but x is an integer, myname
< 1381374672 739389 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 3x is the cell that is pointed at at the end of the loop
< 1381374674 139464 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so?
< 1381374680 928896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should happen when 3x is a multiple of 256.
< 1381374691 51874 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1381374695 982481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which first happens when x is 256.
< 1381374707 337807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however i know which point we are ignoring.
< 1381374732 366578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely the inner [+<] loop.
< 1381374737 556421 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get wh it shouldn't happen earlier
< 1381374752 518685 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1381374754 168469 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvmd
< 1381374763 91720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: because x=256 is the smallest integer such that 3x is a multiple of 256.
< 1381374774 662248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*positive integer
< 1381374779 946168 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1381374803 407972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 6 4 2 becomes 0 9 6 4 etc.
< 1381374815 820008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now let's _not_ ignore the inner loop.
< 1381374828 574328 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it gets 255 and after that 2
< 1381374837 862678 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1381374844 939575 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it breaks there earlier?
< 1381374850 634414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect so.
< 1381374864 894432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf -[+>+>+[+<]>+]>-.
< 1381374865 39705 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1381374923 8391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the entrance to the inner loop it goes as 0 7 5 3, 0 10 7 5 etc.
< 1381374956 839843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the inner loop will break if any of _those_ hit a multiple of 256.
< 1381375014 675526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok only the first number has a chance of not being odd, so only that can trigger it.
< 1381375030 562554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 256-10
< 1381375031 524126 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 246
< 1381375038 208373 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol.
< 1381375039 231982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a multiple of 3.
< 1381375051 876205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 246 `divMod` 3
< 1381375052 816221 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : (82,0)
< 1381375060 248382 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1381375079 640020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0, 10+3*82, 7+2*82, 5+2*82)
< 1381375080 620052 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : (0,256,171,169)
< 1381375112 29484 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it breaks the inner loop, adds one to 171
< 1381375122 338856 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and should use a fifth cell
< 1381375140 825575 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty diabolic
< 1381375144 270957 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it
< 1381375171 443821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets to the major end of loop with 0 0 173 170
< 1381375244 313356 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 176 172 2
< 1381375281 82054 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 178 174 4
< 1381375291 218225 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts again with offsets
< 1381375306 662807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it should increase 3,2,2 again
< 1381375346 990921 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will go up to 256 in the first one again
< 1381375394 515859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :before inner loop it will start 0 0 174 171 1, 0 0 177 173 3 ...
< 1381375398 933162 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be 0 0 0 213 43 by then
< 1381375404 686631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf -[+>+>+[+<]>+]>-.
< 1381375404 832610 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1381375461 462999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :again all but the first are odd before the inner loop
< 1381375512 554422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :174, 176; 177, 179; 180, 182;
< 1381375541 281503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 256-174
< 1381375542 281512 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 82
< 1381375558 698909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 256-176
< 1381375559 653373 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 80
< 1381375577 373906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm _neither_ the inner nor the outer loop will hit 256.
< 1381375585 722796 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1381375635 574117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 176+3*27
< 1381375636 585195 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1381375639 679896 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 257
< 1381375650 650803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we need to go on to 512, i guess.
< 1381375657 544920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 512-174
< 1381375658 537193 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 338
< 1381375661 100168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 512-176
< 1381375662 127430 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 336
< 1381375676 15910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :176, which is the outer loop, hits that.
< 1381375689 238985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 336 `divMod` 3
< 1381375690 264873 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : (112,0)
< 1381375715 502946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (176+3*112, 172+2*112, 2+2*112)
< 1381375716 555705 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : (512,396,226)
< 1381375727 287087 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it is
< 1381375731 894147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 396 `mod` 256
< 1381375732 873823 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 140
< 1381375754 878472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mystery solved.
< 1381375801 990050 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also learned that you cannot do basic math in head ;p
< 1381375814 481680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who, me?
< 1381375818 433212 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1381375825 714161 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, 256 - 10, come on
< 1381375868 362985 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :396 - 256 isn't that hard, either
< 1381375882 672381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course i could do that, but my brain tires fast these days, so it might have meant that i would simply give up at some later point.
< 1381375945 883730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also asking lambdabot means i don't miss my own stupid mistake.
< 1381375962 110700 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a student who always do mod 5 in ghci
< 1381376019 905938 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a student who only does mod 7 with computers instead of in their head.
< 1381376023 164801 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that student... is me.
< 1381376033 470269 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mod 7 is fair
< 1381376043 718277 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mod 5 is trivial to do
< 1381376070 434930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 111 `mod` 2
< 1381376071 433239 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1
< 1381376102 694019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION used to be good at mental arithmetic.
< 1381376102 839618 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically if n[-1] > 5 { n[-1] - 5 } else { n[-1] }
< 1381376141 173992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i cannot concentrate worth a damn
< 1381376255 943893 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that feeling
< 1381376729 952794 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :git rebase -i: a tool assisted speedrun for your code
< 1381376758 241328 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, now i want to see the git version of the family feud TAS
< 1381376937 65323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Mystery Hunt had a puzzle called "Git Hub" where they gave you a Git repo and you eventually realize the commit graph has the same shape as the Boston subway system
< 1381376945 731764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you have to do puzzling things with it
< 1381376974 651133 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus
< 1381376979 322887 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to look at the graph, but nice
< 1381378420 55848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if this year's nobel prize winner martin karplus is related to esolanger maharba...
< 1381378426 584589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :same last name
< 1381378851 799066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know how you can't select text which is part of a link in browsers in general?
< 1381378868 87329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the link just gets dragged instead.
< 1381378872 879140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's awkward
< 1381379420 130705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All people with the surname "Karplus" appear to be descendants of Alexander Karplus, who died in June 1797 and was the first to carry the family name "Karplus". The name was created in response to the 1787 requirement of the Austrian Empire that all Jewish families have surnames. No one knows what the name means (if anything)."
< 1381379447 227843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess he's definitely _somewhat_ related
< 1381379499 657685 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1381379501 161962 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1381379829 902956 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doooooba wabba
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< 1381383719 72761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexande_
< 1381383756 654632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's come to my attention that "unique" and "exists" also mean "?" and "+"
< 1381383791 183128 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean "?" too
< 1381383807 258196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you suggesting that i'm being bad at communicate
< 1381384028 649806 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1381384034 710010 :lexande_!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu NICK :lexande
< 1381384467 20232 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nature.com/nbt/journal/v31/n10/fig_tab/nbt.2706_F1.html "hm, this could be a problem"
< 1381384766 651598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cumulative PhDs awarded" "cumulative faculty positions" "cumulative PhDs employed by Google to improve advertising algorithms"
< 1381384821 124230 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does google hire many entomologists
< 1381384833 599314 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monsanto hires those, right
< 1381384837 269545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to look for bugs?
< 1381384906 621806 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for pesticide things, i imagine
< 1381384910 686022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schillebeeckx is a p. good name
< 1381384921 581037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know you were allowed to have ckx right next to eack other like that
< 1381384934 896320 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :drukqs
< 1381384957 999643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaszpackqxho
< 1381385083 270218 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my impression is that science grad students spend 90% of their time writing MATLAB code regardless of the notional field they're in
< 1381385089 133797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may be inaccurate
< 1381385105 32012 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :benefits of working at google: 1) you don't have to use MATLAB
< 1381385107 112041 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it is, some of them use R
< 1381385122 190089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrrrrrr
< 1381385124 806821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarr
< 1381385124 968440 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :What be a priate's favourite cheese?
< 1381385125 113683 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yarrlsburg!
< 1381385252 601391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats lambdabot for misspelling -berg -----###
< 1381385287 980720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1381385358 373980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is that where pirates come from
< 1381385514 852809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they were from penzance
< 1381385986 868816 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: me too
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< 1381386215 541001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the remainder of this document the term User refers to: ____ (Individual name) and the term User's Research Group refers to: ____ (University, Institute or Company name), ____ (Specific department, area, organizational unit), ____ (Geographic site where material will be used)"
< 1381386227 308116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how an individual person would fill this form.
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< 1381393226 704499 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"However, some applications require very large amounts of memory. For example, building the models for a large vocabulary continuous speech dictation system might require 150MB or more. Clearly, when memory demands become this large, a proper understanding of the impact of system design decisions on memory usage is important."
< 1381393231 707630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :150MB or more!
< 1381393245 593854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(HTK documentation might be slightly old.)
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< 1381398490 207260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. If I move (with an IMAP client, on an Exchange server) an (arguably) spam email from the spam folder to INBOX, then after a second or two it automatically goes back to the spam folder.
< 1381398515 859757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other manually moved spam has tended to stay in the inbox; I guess this one is just too spammy.
< 1381398538 433309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X-Spam-Status: HIGH ; 83%" -- well, that is a lot.
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< 1381412032 964509 :Taneb!~androirc@nas103-226.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a name for the complement of the empty set?
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< 1381412289 143139 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :complement relative to what?
< 1381412308 724314 :Taneb!~androirc@nas103-226.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, in general
< 1381412386 851000 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, set complement is always relative to something.
< 1381412426 337447 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the complement of the empty set will of course be "that thing" so what you want to call it depends on what you're doing
< 1381412445 185406 :Taneb!~androirc@nas103-226.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I could say the co-empty set relative to something
< 1381412449 822349 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1381412452 612455 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1381412525 725010 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter what set thingy or universe or whatever you're working with (let's call it A), A \setminus \emptyset is just A
< 1381412546 352326 :Taneb!~androirc@nas103-226.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1381412562 301644 :Taneb!~androirc@nas103-226.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense
< 1381412588 692688 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :say if you're talking about a topological space, the complement of the empty set might be called "the whole space" because it's the whole space.
< 1381412594 263572 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an universal empty set from which you could derive other lesser empty sets?
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< 1381412740 457508 :Taneb!~androirc@nas103-226.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :What made me ask this is I suddenly realised boolean algebra is kind of like set theory
< 1381412899 87162 :Taneb!~androirc@nas103-226.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shortly after asking the question I realised I could just use the singleton set containing only the empty set
< 1381412916 763650 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to represent truth? yes
< 1381412924 961083 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then complements can be relative to that
< 1381412926 973317 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it works out
< 1381412957 19220 :Taneb!~androirc@nas103-226.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay
< 1381412987 995941 :Taneb!~androirc@nas103-226.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm going now
< 1381412993 989801 :Taneb!~androirc@nas103-226.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks!
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< 1381413621 554453 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can' t understand if my project could be considered an esoteric IDE
< 1381413630 276156 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who have time to lost?
< 1381413635 247418 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a SVN client?
< 1381414161 848515 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NeroReflex: two questions: were you already `relcommed, and does your project run on linux?
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< 1381414497 814124 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily what is "relcommed" and: the project will be released for linux too but the project is in development and i didn' t developed the main method
< 1381414521 512081 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome NeroReflex
< 1381414522 671293 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that?
< 1381414529 5967 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :03NeroRe10fle13x10: 14Welcome to the internationa09l hub for03 esoteric prog13ram08ming la02ngua06ge d04esign and d06eployment! Fo12r more informati04on, ch11e13ck out our wi02ki: http:10//esolang14s.org/wiki/Mai10n_Page12. (For 07the oth06er kind of esote08rica, try #02es04oteric 14on irc.dal.n06e06t.)
< 1381414568 874867 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already know about esolang.wiki
< 1381414578 696899 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what' s the point?
< 1381414599 592245 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people here like to spam welcomes to anyone they notice is new <.<;;
< 1381414612 681216 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, thanks you
< 1381414646 354196 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn://5.231.38.118/svnrepos/Prototype
< 1381414660 480527 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not spam >_>'...
< 1381414665 693231 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can' t understand if i am creating an esoteric language or not
< 1381414717 986128 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is, because no one should use it for professional development, but it is not a joke
< 1381414745 26354 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure of what i am creating asd
< 1381414871 669641 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily ?
< 1381414885 224505 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a moment, checking that out...
< 1381414892 12415 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1381415032 2730 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeeeeh... I'd say it is both esoteric and not esoteric.
< 1381415068 925204 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381415078 819758 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, because you're emulating an exotic theoretic architecture, and it is not because university students tend to suffer through the same kind of task, namely emulating architectures.
< 1381415133 576951 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok xD thanks, so when the project will be completed you will se it on the wiki xD
< 1381415218 401107 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Si dovrebbe tradurre tutti i vostri commenti in inglese :p
< 1381415248 664081 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily where are italian comments?
< 1381415261 595177 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found one in targetver.h.
< 1381415289 497972 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :targetver.h is generated by Visual Studio, and i don' t use it xD
< 1381415308 634352 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i never saw italian comments
< 1381415324 283562 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, have you got some complex brainfuck program to test? (and also some less complex one)
< 1381415392 246406 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm very bad when it comes to brainfuck... you should ask one of the experts on this channel.
< 1381415411 781129 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, who's the Current Bfjoust Champion?
< 1381415469 328033 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NeroReflex: talk to either ais523, quintopia, Lymia or Gregor, probably.
< 1381415486 86662 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok, the fact is that i written a brainfuck interpreter in javascript but i think that the speed is not good :/
< 1381415490 847544 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: how would you rate your Mad Brainfuck Skillz?
< 1381415505 308138 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :javascript is stupid :/
< 1381415515 194453 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :java is also stupid XD
< 1381415562 50062 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily did you write an esoteric programming language?
< 1381415574 461005 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java being stupid is a nice thing. you don't have to think about annoying syntactic corner cases, everything is predictable (and verbose, but that's another subject).
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< 1381415593 167036 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NeroReflex: I wrote some → http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Boily
< 1381415651 744676 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nodes, i am not really good with it
< 1381415675 654423 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway "zucchini" is the same as an italian?
< 1381415743 670558 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. the small dark green long vegetable without much of a taste?
< 1381415754 929599 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1381415758 700870 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1381416037 793066 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ummmm I've never done anything except a bfjoust program
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< 1381416172 748785 :Taneb!~androirc@nas103-83.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1381416172 934132 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1381416567 978908 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://torrentfreak.com/riaa-wants-web-browsers-to-block-pirate-sites-and-more-130918/
< 1381416917 97911 :Taneb!~androirc@nas103-83.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am afraid I am too aware of my positive feedback loop wrt RIAA to comment
< 1381416942 604844 :bicyclidine!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381417122 20698 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily can you understand regex algorythms?
< 1381417228 495763 :Taneb!~androirc@nas103-83.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1381417230 222167 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NeroReflex: perhaps. maybe. possibly.
< 1381417255 247384 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no ideas on how they works
< 1381417325 647515 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about DFA and suchlike?
< 1381417351 774088 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DFA?
< 1381417378 991667 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am tolking about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression
< 1381417445 541809 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, if it's only about using regexpes, then yes, I tend to understand them.
< 1381417462 956617 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except that time I wrote a recursive regexp in PHP. that hurt my brain.)
< 1381417479 954162 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1381417515 157861 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think about an esoteric programming that could sobstitute php?
< 1381417516 446896 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :regexes are often implemented with DFAs, is what boilly is referring to
< 1381417537 465141 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike i don' t know what DFA are
< 1381417540 278973 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are already some esoteric languages based on string replacement, like Thue and ///
< 1381417545 160282 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :deterministic finite automata
< 1381417576 247222 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :NeroReflex: http://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp1.html
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< 1381417851 280173 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
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< 1381418308 253355 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily did you see the BareMetal Project?
< 1381418378 133550 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone know about the C++11 to_string() in visual studio 2013? I can' t find it
< 1381418463 803953 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we only program in ultrahaskell around these parts
< 1381418485 557630 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1381418501 412280 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1381418515 419300 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like regular haskell, but no values are instantiated, you have to do everything with the type system.
< 1381418528 371299 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you aren' t interested on C++ or assembly?
< 1381418579 383150 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are impure. i am only interested in programming languages approved by our father who art in heaven, as represented by the vatican.
< 1381418605 724183 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shushes Bike with artfully applied Duct Tape
< 1381418616 554682 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with respect to Japanese æsthetics, mind you.)
< 1381418619 134588 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike you are strange
< 1381418623 233164 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmmf mmrgh rmmmghf grhgh.
< 1381418634 171388 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :......
< 1381418635 20470 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NeroReflex: we are interested in just about everything, except brainfuck derivatives.
< 1381418641 135007 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION untapes Bike
< 1381418681 405156 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NeroReflex: you haven't talked to elliott yet, haven't you?
< 1381418690 921992 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381418703 334771 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn' t talk to elliott
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< 1381419063 893888 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1381419205 278676 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does my bot keep dying today? that's unnerving.
< 1381419215 766924 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381419225 752125 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:24] NeroReflex: we are interested in just about everything, except brainfuck derivatives. lol how many derivatives did you saw during your life?
< 1381419249 974916 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hundreds
< 1381419250 949233 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no joke
< 1381419273 710303 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar LIRF
< 1381419274 354160 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIRF 101520Z 22010KT 190V250 9999 SCT025 21/16 Q1011 NOSIG
< 1381419280 598895 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don' t simply like it or there is a motivation
< 1381419324 766269 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're uncreative. since they're all brainfuck but with different names for the operations.
< 1381419350 318395 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand
< 1381419363 261586 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like taking Don Quixote and renaming everybody except Rozinante and calling it a new novel.
< 1381419396 491331 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's not the horses' name. wlel whatever
< 1381419442 483522 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NO I AM STUPID! I DIDN' T USE STACK AND NOW EVERYTHING IS SLOW
< 1381419452 379404 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1381419456 280886 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I REALLY AM A CRETIN
< 1381419525 971289 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much stupid i am -.-" i used a complex algorithm instead of stack
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< 1381424007 870526 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, my name is Alexandre, and I am a fentimanholic.
< 1381426002 811165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1381426459 162864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381426466 65678 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :random keyboardian question: where can I get a list of all possible available shifts in X?
< 1381426482 392863 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(stuff like ctrl, shift, meta, ISO level 5, etc...)
< 1381426577 806372 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone here knows that
< 1381426626 110410 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381426705 812680 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381426795 528938 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but the only other someone here left the chännel. you're all someones over there for me!
< 1381426896 813668 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381427036 554278 :tanino!tanino@net-2-40-221-35.cust.dsl.teletu.it JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381427080 899372 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why's everyone hating on bf derivatives? :-(
< 1381427112 720330 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're boring and killed archduke ferdinand
< 1381427159 623298 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic lol
< 1381427171 680310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are good BF derivatives
< 1381427174 784951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are just a lot more bad ones
< 1381427217 144585 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523
< 1381427222 85254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes?
< 1381427233 764484 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you got some bf programs to test?
< 1381427256 383451 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tell me about the time it takes on my interpreter
< 1381427271 740875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not particularly prolific as a BF programmer
< 1381427281 340003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do BF Joust more, which is kind-of different in terms of benchmarking it
< 1381427286 228420 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf derivatives are esolangs too!
< 1381427307 324981 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented a new Esolang :-)
< 1381427307 471073 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topsy Turvey
< 1381427307 471240 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :< increment the data pointer
< 1381427307 471350 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> decrement the data pointer
< 1381427307 471458 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- increment the byte at the data pointer
< 1381427308 341447 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ decrement the byte at the data pointer
< 1381427308 487532 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :, output the byte at the data pointer
< 1381427308 694882 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:15: parse error on input `data'
< 1381427309 304289 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. accept one byte of input
< 1381427309 449802 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :] if the data pointer points to zero, jump to the matching [
< 1381427310 328245 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ if the data pointer points to nonzero, jump to the matching ]
< 1381427310 473702 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ change polarity, switch < with > and - with +
< 1381427325 581950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: apart from ^, I think that's already been invented
< 1381427335 779257 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? :-(
< 1381427342 170940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it isn't massively interesting in any case
< 1381427358 498034 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got ^ though, so it's a new language!
< 1381427367 308435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I'm not sure that makes it an /interesting/ new language
< 1381427369 890680 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a new and boring language"
< 1381427396 955048 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes away to create a FALSE derivative :-)
< 1381427420 483073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did make /ˈæmbiːɛf/ , along similar lines
< 1381427427 510863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's more interesting because it's not obvious whether it's TC or not
< 1381427442 386526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas yours is just BF with an extra instruction, and one that doesn't make it uncomputable
< 1381427448 136300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus there's no big mystery about the computational class
< 1381427513 345314 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes away to create an impomatic derivative :D
< 1381427567 972884 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has someone already invented bf with a time traveling instruction pointer?
< 1381427586 796267 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 a brainfuck intresting mod could be a mod where a "new" type of memory is used, for example a stack
< 1381427601 524134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I don't think so
< 1381427615 54645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NeroReflex: like http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF-PDA?
< 1381427660 230744 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you derivate brains?
< 1381427660 578910 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you think ( probably so) that you'll get much out of courses until after these two. and not an else in there)
< 1381427670 213492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO the way to make an interesting BF derivative is to screw with the control flow in a way that means the standard techniques don't work
< 1381427678 362289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess what I care about in esolanging is that there isn't an obvious way to write programs
< 1381427682 746034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF wasn't obvious once, but it is nowadays
< 1381427714 841797 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no in this mod there isn' t a turing machine concept, it is not BF anymore
< 1381427737 913107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NeroReflex: yeah, BF-PDA is interesting as a baseline for push-down automata
< 1381427749 677058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like regular BF is interesting as a baseline for TC systems with I/O
< 1381427765 269499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with one stack, it's hard to make something that isn't an uninteresting push-down automaton deriv…
< 1381427791 340039 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a stack machine is not useful as a turing machine
< 1381427933 307104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it depends on how complex the stack elements are
< 1381427945 487824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload is TC despite only having one stack
< 1381427962 181476 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381428299 440589 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Swap the top two elements of the stack" this is not a LIFO stack
< 1381428366 46527 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381428392 522846 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jackpot. wasn't it asked that I should convert IATA into ICAO codes when querying ~metars?
< 1381428443 472044 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.weathergraphics.com/identifiers/
< 1381428468 95014 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ this list roxxorzes the meteorological socksen.
< 1381428726 340013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NeroReflex: it's TC even without that
< 1381428735 132912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it only looks at a finite amount of the top of the stack
< 1381428738 778426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it still looks LIFO
< 1381428770 564885 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn' t LIFO anymore, as i can see
< 1381428796 212102 :NeroReflex!4f06b491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.6.180.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i do the swap operation the first output is not the last value pushed
< 1381428937 721114 :ski!~md9slj@t-2020-05.studat.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you take the derivative of BF ?
< 1381428946 999919 :ski!~md9slj@t-2020-05.studat.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :some variant of regular expression derivative ?
< 1381429278 155264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NeroReflex: well a swap is equivalent to pop, pop, push, push
< 1381429294 534274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using intermediate storage for the stored value
< 1381429305 134903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in BF-PDA, you use the program's control flow as the intermediate storage
< 1381429350 321988 :ski!~md9slj@t-2020-05.studat.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc : re Rust unsafeness, have you seen the impurity declarations in Mercury, ?
< 1381429450 290377 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/LfqyX3p.gif
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< 1381431045 915739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Azerbaijan accidentally released the results from this week's elections the days before the polls opened
< 1381431072 916655 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1381431179 310392 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor guys, now they have to regenerate all that fake election data
< 1381431188 888274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ The commission explained the gaffe by saying that a software developer had released the figures as a "test" at one polling station. It apologized for the "misunderstanding." ]]
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< 1381431230 344384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: They already had the "real" election, with an even bigger win for the guy, so I guess they did regenerate it.
< 1381431270 459226 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too simple and logical. I believe that the True Version comes from a temporal paradox!
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< 1381431524 375463 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the part where they say it was 2008 results even though it had the people running in 2013
< 1381431636 174105 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1381431642 323971 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that part might well be true, using runners from 2013 (because those are the ones that will run) and numbers from some other year does make sense as test data
< 1381431660 967343 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381431678 364645 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you don't have this year's numbers yet
< 1381431762 981364 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :++++
< 1381431782 955241 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :++++++
< 1381431785 924261 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma ++
< 1381431786 142586 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ has a karma of 32
< 1381431789 84150 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma ++++
< 1381431789 229658 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :++++ has a karma of 4
< 1381431796 494180 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
< 1381431815 930046 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma impomatic
< 1381431816 96588 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic has a karma of 0
< 1381431823 318390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :++++
< 1381431829 863307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma ++
< 1381431830 9308 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ has a karma of 33
< 1381431843 903301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, them both being powers of 2 was a coincidence
< 1381431870 342854 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma blah
< 1381431870 488326 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah has a karma of 31337
< 1381431911 544370 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.111.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. Was carry the laptop and a few books from office to house!
< 1381431944 828685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma ais524
< 1381431944 974135 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais524 has a karma of 0
< 1381431947 528493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1381431958 596701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly lambdabot wasn't here at the time
< 1381431971 693604 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma
< 1381431971 839313 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 13
< 1381431972 684133 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais524--
< 1381431997 627096 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma lambdabot
< 1381431997 802126 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot has a karma of 25
< 1381432003 874814 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma @karma
< 1381432004 21503 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : @karma has a karma of 2
< 1381432179 190127 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1381432377 431758 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma boily
< 1381432377 618279 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 1
< 1381432382 823803 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yé!
< 1381432441 705133 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing--
< 1381432443 270375 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma
< 1381432443 416045 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 1
< 1381432447 227825 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma thing
< 1381432447 373527 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing has a karma of -5
< 1381432506 619241 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval forever
< 1381432509 358781 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1):
< 1381432511 990249 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval forever
< 1381432512 783364 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (m0 a0 -> m0 b0))
< 1381432513 78419 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M9487173991581741433654.show_M9487173991581741433654'
< 1381432513 224159 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible fix:
< 1381432513 224339 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : add an instance declaration for (GHC.Show.Show (m0 a0 -> m0 b0))No instance for (GHC.Base.Monad m0) arising from a use of `e_1'
< 1381432513 224441 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The type variable `m0' is ambiguous
< 1381432513 740028 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible fix: add a type signature that fixes these type variable(s)
< 1381432513 885517 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: there are several potential instances:
< 1381432514 759013 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance GHC.Base.Monad ((->) r) -- Defined in `base:GHC.Base'
< 1381432514 904483 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance GHC.Base.Monad GHC.Types.IO -- Defined in `base:GHC.Base'
< 1381432515 741346 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance GHC.Base.Monad [] -- Defined in `base:GHC.Base'
< 1381432515 887164 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...plus six others
< 1381432522 771769 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1381432526 59764 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. yeah. chännel flood.
< 1381432536 343362 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnello.
< 1381432613 98505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah it's ski
< 1381432613 282496 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1381432614 244958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ski
< 1381432634 631107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust used to have pure / impure for functions as well, but we removed it
< 1381432646 541247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think partly because nobody could agree on what exactly "pure" means (this happens in Haskell as well)
< 1381432656 624607 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure of all the reasons; it was long before my time
< 1381432693 131157 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is ski?
< 1381433398 477943 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :a set of combinatorics
< 1381433407 169591 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*combinators
< 1381433432 204640 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381433568 74447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: gcc defines two sorts of purity for functions, which basically are to do with how aggressively the function can be cached
< 1381433594 479458 :ski!~md9slj@t-2020-05.studat.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc : ok
< 1381433610 896565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is basically "this function is 100% memoizable", the other is basically "this function is 100% memoizable except if global variables change values"
< 1381433665 416661 :ski!~md9slj@t-2020-05.studat.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was mainly thinking about possible similarities between the impurity system in Mercury, and the unsafeness system in Rust (which i don't have a clear understanding of)
< 1381433713 943288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you define it in terms of safe memoizability it's unambiguous how it works wrt effects, at least
< 1381433760 448969 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1381433870 872679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah
< 1381433946 708994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: the Rust system is very simple afaik. certain primitive operations (e.g. deref a raw pointer) are only allowed in unsafe code, which means either an 'unsafe fn' or inside an unsafe { ... } block
< 1381433956 311654 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can only call an 'unsafe fn' from unsafe code, as well
< 1381433973 225756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.rust-lang.org/doc/master/rust.html#unsafety
< 1381434054 13983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I think dereferencing a raw pointer is the only primitive unsafe operation; others are exposed as compiler intrinsics that look like normal unsafe fn's
< 1381434088 506810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. cast::transmute and its friends in http://static.rust-lang.org/doc/master/std/cast/index.html
< 1381434155 88623 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a list of behaviour not considered unsafe in Rust terms, but that may be undesired... Accessing/modifying the file system"
< 1381434168 472065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, signed overflow is defined in Rust
< 1381434274 243967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: as 2's complement?
< 1381434275 466354 :ski!~md9slj@t-2020-05.studat.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1381434400 997302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1381434594 256111 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1381434606 803164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure raw pointers could be a library type + intrinsics too (as in Haskell)
< 1381434682 499544 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I like that low level unsafe code in Rust doesn't get a lot more verbose than C
< 1381434734 339214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: if you're aiming to replace C, that's probably correct
< 1381434792 408875 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381434854 566695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're aiming to replace C++, which is another language where you do low-level stuff to implement higher level memory-safe abstractions, and then use those
< 1381434883 275051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference being 1) the memory safety in C++ comes from following a bunch of idioms and isn't checked by the compiler
< 1381434896 857476 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) people mostly don't bother and just treat C++ as C with random other shit thrown in
< 1381434903 405260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a shame
< 1381434912 576656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but High Church C++ can be pretty fucking cumbersome
< 1381434914 303971 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381434917 842325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I've seen conflicting statements on 2)
< 1381434927 259374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that definitely seems true in the games industry
< 1381434938 768723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it varies a lot between codebases
< 1381434959 735485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C++ isn't very good about letting you pick and choose features
< 1381434979 645494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to "do it right" then you're quickly sucked into using everything
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< 1381435089 62334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you're giving me bad memories of arguing with C++ fanboys now
< 1381435091 452175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1381435179 420041 :NeroReflex!4f1fae2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.31.174.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 what about C++ fanboys?
< 1381435186 110391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1381435190 958482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> lunch
< 1381435204 920475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NeroReflex: my line was in response to if you want to "do it right" then you're quickly sucked into using everything
< 1381435208 834248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a statement which I agree with
< 1381435213 607119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but many C++ fanboys don't seem to
< 1381435238 197546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why I say C++ is bad in the opposite way of most bad languages
< 1381435245 401017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is not cohesive enough; C++ is too cohesive
< 1381435285 161711 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's this ornate structure built by very clever people and it all makes sense but it's a pain to actually live there
< 1381435294 497912 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381435306 506531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the frank gehry building of languages
< 1381435311 959319 :NeroReflex!4f1fae2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.31.174.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well, you must use the language that is more adapt
< 1381435367 532493 :NeroReflex!4f1fae2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.31.174.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont' t think there are a "right" way of doing something, but only way to do it better than others
< 1381435380 106366 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1381435382 485216 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu NICK :Bike
< 1381435386 669896 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :adapt eh
< 1381435392 240493 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the fitness landscape for languages look like
< 1381435423 940386 :NeroReflex!4f1fae2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.31.174.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*suitable
< 1381435431 34113 :NeroReflex!4f1fae2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.31.174.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sorry
< 1381435477 699798 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fitness landscape covered in gym mats and pools of sweat
< 1381435554 369927 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fitness landscape that's just a really big arm flexing. constructing house on fitness landscape is not advised
< 1381436538 210248 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
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< 1381437876 54800 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1381440482 673343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are not enough bonghits in the world for this makefile
< 1381440556 364359 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381441116 147900 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you exhaust them all? have we passed peak bonghits?
< 1381441189 692553 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1381441277 370865 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonghits are a renewable resource
< 1381441284 244404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps there were never enough in the first place
< 1381441297 68163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you need uncountably many
< 1381441329 811446 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381441817 393204 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381442189 723192 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381442501 684461 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1381442885 120465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381443389 66019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: in set theory the empty set has no universal complement, since that would be a set of all sets, from which you can easily derive russell's paradox with the other axioms.
< 1381443420 188465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :naive set theory had one, of course, and was inconsistent.
< 1381443468 870196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(zfc set theory, that is.)
< 1381443514 883042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sets have a universal complement, surely
< 1381443530 50859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor can any other set have a ... right ... because you could just take their union.
< 1381443551 402309 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think, in linguistik there is the opponent of ""
< 1381443563 189142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: wat.
< 1381443566 610169 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. whatever string you match against it, it is the same
< 1381443586 676451 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need that to make a group for finite automata
< 1381443605 993528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: well .* is the universal regular expression, if that's what you're saying.
< 1381443621 699380 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like that, yes
< 1381443641 649771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no problem making a complement of languages over an alphabet, since strings over an alphabet form a set.
< 1381443809 196750 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381444011 629218 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet the complement of a nice programming language is all but nice
< 1381444048 459351 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouh, new challenge: make up two programming languages that are each other's complement
< 1381444110 115899 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381444169 448815 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I guess it you take brainfuck, the complement over +-><[]., is the set of strings with unmatched [ and ]... so you'd just need to find a way to give some sense to unmatched brackets
< 1381444238 530943 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it's way easier to make that work with a language of just 2 symbols
< 1381444336 400673 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs sense, just define "~brainfuck is the language of all strings with unmatched brackets" and let someone else figure out what it's for!
< 1381444705 887027 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ghost_Of_MNG bot banned from Mozilla IRC #developers. Ghost_Of_JNG shows up in its place. Whoever is doing this: well played."
< 1381445459 226489 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1381445975 154981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: are both of these formats they refuse to support (i recall the first one is)
< 1381446256 297676 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1381446341 688987 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1381446350 294988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanout
< 1381446460 941132 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb, tanflo, never a miscommunication
< 1381446516 689947 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381446576 262415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if tides were completely unpredictable.
< 1381446641 237370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: due to the moon moving around the earth at random rather than orbiting?
< 1381446648 344629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course in this world there would _still_ be someone using that as evidence of god.
< 1381446669 566911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i guess that would be one way.
< 1381446837 391173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: btw we solved the 139 mystery yesterday
< 1381446848 944219 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you
< 1381446870 693220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf -[+>+>+[+<]>+]>-.
< 1381446870 838636 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1381446907 652446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is that at one point, the _inner_ loop stops on a different cell.
< 1381446931 775910 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1381446936 92034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode has washing instruction symbols?
< 1381446940 990142 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we reach 0, right
< 1381446953 465257 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1381447026 324801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is that related to the ‹, which is just a single non-utf8 byte
< 1381447046 760495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, in retrospect it probably does.
< 1381447050 554628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's Konversation, its wide range of failure modes is kind-of larger than can easily fit into a human brain
< 1381447058 374331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me copy-and-paste what I saw:
< 1381447097 15900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not what i saw from fungot.
< 1381447097 493843 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was hoping to see something like embedded assembly though ( like 4bit rot) this sounds impossible, it happens; some programs have been written on. :d
< 1381447112 772840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was wondering if it'd copy-and-paste back as malformed Unicode
< 1381447114 874046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hunter2-style
< 1381447117 421573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not
< 1381447168 990917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, haha
< 1381447174 53027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the character doesn't render in Firefox
< 1381447184 659607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and causes an error when entered into Wikipedia's search box
< 1381447194 458269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the normal method of determining what a weird Unicode character is
< 1381447196 604874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw fungot's as a left-ward pointing variation of ^ and so was what i pasted although the first was probably not utf-8 while my paste was. yours i saw as reverse video K
< 1381447196 903048 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a simple, programmable mouseless editor, though.) ( 200 0.) ( 2 y))
< 1381447213 890445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An error has occurred while searching: The search backend returned an error: "
< 1381447260 862777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's byte 139, which i guess isn't legal latin1 but i set irssi to use cp1252 as fallback which people recommended.
< 1381447282 792593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it becomes the left arrowhead.
< 1381447324 170167 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381447325 840591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 139 `mod` 128
< 1381447327 15238 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11
< 1381447347 39847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think your paste stripped the 8th bit.
< 1381447361 724390 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time you use a calculator to do a simple subtraction, something breaks in my heart
< 1381447371 746855 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, deal with it, ya baby.
< 1381447378 867506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: i do it to bloody demonstrate
< 1381447380 707889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: aha
< 1381447395 750740 :nooodl_!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381447483 177702 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight
< 1381447485 453668 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_
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< 1381449276 549599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's like taking Don Quixote and renaming everybody except Rozinante and calling it a new novel. <-- Sir Backquote Fighting the Solar Panels
< 1381449388 339832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily hello, my name is Alexandre, and I am a fentimanholic. <-- i suggest moving to hexham to get better access. i hear there's a recent opening.
< 1381449388 522914 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1381449419 125446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure Taneb won't mind boily getting his old room.
< 1381449472 884841 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1381449608 983524 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I miss Fentimans
< 1381449620 647660 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think I miss liquid in general
< 1381449623 988277 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm just thirsty
< 1381449647 679583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they don't have fentimans in york, i take.
< 1381449660 644462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only in hexham and montreal
< 1381449663 509342 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about that
< 1381449669 474375 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just I'm on a student budget now
< 1381449676 625155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1381449981 641563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ change polarity, switch < with > and - with + <-- i think it would be a bit more interesting if it also swapped [ and ].
< 1381450029 343619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that, unlike the others, might mess things up badly.
< 1381450268 483960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek indian ocean monster cyclone
< 1381450436 895767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: doesn't it automatically make the program malformed unless it contains no loops?
< 1381450448 212323 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381450453 734407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could use the implied loop-balancing rules from FukYorBrane
< 1381450465 230115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i assume it would be somewhat lenient
< 1381450473 777605 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mismatched brackets cause monster cyclones? shit
< 1381450481 799698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: scary stuff
< 1381450496 237172 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgive us, we didn't know
< 1381450538 241788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ((])S:^):^IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS YOU KNOW IT
< 1381450538 387152 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mismatched [].
< 1381450541 417519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1381450546 521198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((])S:^):^IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS YOU KNOW IT
< 1381450546 703381 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] ...too much output!
< 1381450678 873120 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i have never known the future
< 1381450712 718262 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381450787 247670 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that underload interp is non-compliant
< 1381450822 194066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all are.
< 1381450879 536259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's absolutely no point in a compliant one.
< 1381450943 383059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot quote the one thing that actually _needs_ to be handled with quoting.
< 1381451010 430662 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1381451325 615748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall ais523 said the quoting was just leftovers from overload or something.
< 1381451332 481910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it was
< 1381451344 505063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Underload you used square brackets for pointers and pointer targets
< 1381451347 795722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, in Overload
< 1381451374 556688 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how is Underlambda going
< 1381451409 35728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'm busy
< 1381451414 30570 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1381451422 513558 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is your thingy going about the circuits and whatnot
< 1381451495 225619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :decently
< 1381451501 261716 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1381451502 192190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I've got to do a bunch of category theory again tonight :(
< 1381451506 923947 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1381451509 728736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :category theory makes me angry
< 1381451528 690190 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I was formally introduced to functions
< 1381451570 210523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why?
< 1381451576 636107 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1381451579 241577 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.115 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381451631 454495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope the functions were polite.
< 1381451667 376695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: somewhere between 1/3 and 1/5 were, I imagine
< 1381451689 50033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIGHT
< 1381451745 560309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1381451771 655740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i make ais523 angry :'(
< 1381451783 414160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :categorically so
< 1381451963 425153 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/neilfws/status/388462601916542976/photo/1/large something went very wrong here
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< 1381452227 169518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about the formatting
< 1381452277 639611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does seem like some columns are mushed together
< 1381452397 975156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what is an arath.
< 1381452404 587797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and should we be afraid of it.
< 1381452755 780729 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc:
< 1381452774 636985 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the case of purchasing, a player makes a request for purchasing an item at a given price, and will pay that price to the order with the lowest listed price. In other words, you will buy the item at your price and not the seller's price if yours is higher than his sell price"
< 1381452778 349714 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about EVE Online
< 1381452785 196875 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that compare/contrast to how it works irl?
< 1381452808 544442 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381452826 691373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems opposite
< 1381452861 966909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think trades usually happen at the price already on the book, not at the price of the order which is taking liquidity (and so will never reach the order book)
< 1381452878 243835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I mean if you're paying attention you would just ask for the lower price anyway
< 1381452906 152394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you might not be fast enough, plus there are all these weird order types to consider (hidden, floating, etc)
< 1381452909 153949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I dunno
< 1381452986 195912 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1381453488 103018 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:edff:9087:5227:81fc NICK :plehnu
< 1381453512 841509 :plehnu!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:edff:9087:5227:81fc NICK :^v
< 1381453759 350181 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder why EVE does it the way it does, then. More onus on.. the second person to be smart?
< 1381453802 361001 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: like, the stock market?
< 1381453838 588717 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how markets work :(
< 1381453882 476404 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody really does
< 1381454147 513396 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....WIndows Defender decided that an SQLite3 journal file used by my IRC client was malware
< 1381454148 278869 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1381454165 973356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it has some malware in
< 1381454176 296941 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:edff:9087:5227:81fc QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1381454183 222417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H*
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< 1381454317 780958 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:edff:9087:5227:81fc NICK :Fackau
< 1381454320 853586 :Fackau!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:edff:9087:5227:81fc NICK :Fackaufrenhjtr
< 1381454852 238496 :Fackaufrenhjtr!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:edff:9087:5227:81fc NICK :^b
< 1381454853 740946 :^b!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:edff:9087:5227:81fc NICK :^v
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< 1381455428 952751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'm happy to report that my browser did _not_ suddenly decide today's logs were a virus.
< 1381455438 756351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1381455443 222559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it has to appear at the start of a file
< 1381455448 677363 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be sure to send it exactly at midnight next time.
< 1381455868 638910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 1.025 2
< 1381455869 899220 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 28.071034525938728
< 1381455920 213495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1381456007 228446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone claimed the 2.5% yearly inflation means doubling in 28 years
< 1381456014 889151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that
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< 1381459633 788638 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O there's a person who doesn't like the lens library
< 1381459649 687778 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat:
< 1381459650 272996 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<= Netsplit between *.net and *.split. Users quit: Bike, sebbu, AwfulProgrammer, olsner
< 1381459663 947080 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo
< 1381459767 867531 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> Netsplit between *.net and *.split ended. Users joined: Bike, olsner, AwfulProgrammer, sebbu
< 1381459779 650066 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :_after_ Bike said Yo
< 1381459813 201261 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am eternal.
< 1381460400 560109 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1381460606 216741 :AwfulProgrammer!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session QUIT :Changing host
< 1381460606 398319 :AwfulProgrammer!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-twfygbfngropzrue JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381461679 790345 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I went into a channel which would be the most relevant channel for a language, and asked why the language exists
< 1381461682 111365 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not sure"
< 1381461749 447851 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither
< 1381461931 780506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mccaine.org/2013/10/09/dwarf-fortress-a-marxist-analysis/
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< 1381462742 576917 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... no one here bothered to fall for it --- I was referring to the "racket/gui" language in Racket, which is just Racket + (require racket/gui)
< 1381462930 760744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1381462932 598651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how tremendously exciting.
< 1381462962 171880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see elliott agrees, and on perfect time too.
< 1381462998 973151 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i trolled
< 1381463089 644648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am eagerly waiting about sgeo telling us how he willfully splits infinitives to rile up other channels.
< 1381463104 599271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*waiting for
< 1381463318 588763 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to pathetically rile
< 1381463363 273236 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad
< 1381463387 193254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i actually missed that one
< 1381463429 327728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew i'd get bad karma from this.
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< 1381466230 617583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo, infographic http://xkcd.com/1276/
< 1381466311 142255 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool
< 1381466424 53385 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't thing Voyager's shadow would be so big.
< 1381466939 301989 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(permadeath)"?
< 1381466966 723502 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :planet of the roguelikes
< 1381467201 452219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: those wacky names are references to http://xkcd.com/1253/
< 1381467384 784723 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blogodrome
< 1381467405 894753 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :goldenpalace.com, that's classy
< 1381467534 466736 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.somethingawful.com/u/livestock/2009/11/11_17_dogs.jpg related
< 1381467629 687096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: OKAY
< 1381467989 479410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :joke ruined by incorrect choice of image compression format
< 1381468003 586868 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LARGE, FLIGHTLESS DOG
< 1381468015 420811 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm somehow I missed #1253
< 1381468032 464935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc has this rare condition that makes him unable to read jpg compressed text.
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< 1381468597 301347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now learned about goldenpalace.com. and that they _would_ be likely to try to get a planet named after them.
< 1381468618 394380 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes indeedy.
< 1381468657 965876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow a naked woman holding some playing cards wants to give me €300
< 1381468661 952077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the best day ever!!
< 1381468779 70715 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky
< 1381469095 126230 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1539
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< 1381472227 290786 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We regret to inform you that we do not allow residents from New York to play on our system"
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< 1381476685 942447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: while i'm checking out r/friends, the fact that 2^31-1 is prime is used implicitly by my Unlambda in Intercal.
< 1381476703 900324 :ais523_!93bcc345@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1381476719 327063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
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< 1381482439 868848 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist
< 1381482444 495423 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
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< 1381487017 254665 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good things to hear in a lecture: "Forget everything I just said"
< 1381487118 15849 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1381487162 953339 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a fun lecture
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< 1381487532 346932 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what lecture
< 1381487552 951638 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Core algebra
< 1381487571 191673 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's trying to remember set theory
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< 1381487599 589646 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :("He" being the lecturer)
< 1381487612 654553 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this algebra as in abstract or algebra as in boring
< 1381487626 44510 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former
< 1381487748 328800 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going over stuff we've already done, but /practical/
< 1381487768 167981 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, boring
< 1381487776 639209 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1381487782 400464 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :not abstract
< 1381487795 574504 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is abstract too
< 1381487809 177074 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set theory and what have you
< 1381487836 809873 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just basic abstract, done boringly
< 1381487897 126785 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :groups?
< 1381487909 640390 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet
< 1381487916 421990 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just sets
< 1381487928 695989 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endless bloody sets
< 1381488010 367869 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd thing to call algebra
< 1381488032 523376 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next week we move to functions
< 1381488074 515523 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess this is an introductory course? nobody's supposed to know math
< 1381488094 418197 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh look he's proving intersection is associative using a venn diagram
< 1381488107 623866 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy, nobody's supposed to know maths past a-level
< 1381488127 941319 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a-level is pointlessly modular, too, so they can't even assume you learnt a given thing at a-level
< 1381488143 562627 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds great
< 1381488207 697877 :Taneb!~androirc@nas102-145.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you know this PH you are practically foreign
< 1381488260 38417 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm sitting around with people who all did different things at a-level and have had to re-learn them for the benefit of those who didn't
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< 1381490880 507110 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: :/
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< 1381498950 343847 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I prove that in radians sin x ~= x when x =~= 0?
< 1381499075 673594 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when x → 0, d(sin(x))/dx ~= 1.
< 1381499091 406750 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, no
< 1381499098 213180 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like that
< 1381499125 438455 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't?
< 1381499153 712948 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan but it's expensive! and I don't think there are that many phở joints in hexham.
< 1381499153 858604 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1381499178 190828 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that glyph after the ph
< 1381499209 549915 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a moment... ♪
< 1381499295 270197 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1EDF LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH HORN AND HOOK ABOVE
< 1381499308 56132 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1381499315 533462 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::ở
< 1381499331 706732 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I can't remember any phở joints in Hexham
< 1381499334 964693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still missing the reverse of `unicode, I see.
< 1381499337 540003 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe one's opened, though
< 1381499445 404799 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more diacritics stacked on vowels, the tastier the szoup.
< 1381499607 749405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode phở
< 1381499609 307359 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :[LATIN SMALL LETTER P] [LATIN SMALL LETTER H] [LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH HORN AND HOOK ABOVE]
< 1381499614 310748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we: go.
< 1381499640 671699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With any luck, someone had already added that in. Oh well, it's good to be redundant.)
< 1381499685 735304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unicode SNOWMAN | xargs unidecode
< 1381499688 206354 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :[SNOWMAN]
< 1381499723 892271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A snowman went through a pipe there, but no-one saw it.
< 1381499754 154286 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never understood what xargs is for.
< 1381499765 948223 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⎀⇱⇞⌦⇲⇟
< 1381499767 540335 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :[INSERTION SYMBOL] [NORTH WEST ARROW TO CORNER] [UPWARDS ARROW WITH DOUBLE STROKE] [ERASE TO THE RIGHT] [SOUTH EAST ARROW TO CORNER] [DOWNWARDS ARROW WITH DOUBLE STROKE]
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< 1381499781 155551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for piping snowmans.
< 1381499794 530335 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn xargs is for piping snowmen.
< 1381499799 705963 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1381499804 81169 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastewisdom
< 1381499805 761951 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/
< 1381499842 172634 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: xargs is awesome in combination with find or ls
< 1381499856 400647 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: ah? care to explain why?
< 1381499882 999874 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can give an example
< 1381499888 5864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unidecode ☯ # now with code points
< 1381499890 351068 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+262F YIN YANG]
< 1381499905 84430 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people somewhere else really needed to know which paths are longer than 255 chars, because windows is stupid
< 1381499911 540446 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you do that?
< 1381500023 976681 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :find -type d | grep -E '.{256,}'
< 1381500046 914137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't think "paths" involves only directories.
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< 1381500095 648719 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky :D okay, a bit modified: you want to know how long each path is
< 1381500120 881056 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, you don't need it for that, either
< 1381500169 406040 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: find -type b -o -type c -o -type d -o -type p -o -type f -o -type l -o -type s -o -type D, then :p
< 1381500190 729409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably many uses of "find | xargs" should be "find -exec" instead, it's just that the -exec syntax is kinda crummy.
< 1381500204 52264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've gotten to the habit of "find -print0 | xargs -0" instead.
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< 1381500296 533338 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, what is a door?
< 1381500309 644485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Solaris IPC thing.
< 1381500424 561957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have a server behind a door, and then have clients call it and pass things through it; and the door can be visible in the file system. Kind of something between (non-abstract-namespace) Unix domain sockets and a RPC mechanism.
< 1381500466 117546 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds pretty useful. there must be some reason it hasn't gained more visibility.
< 1381500503 398312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's also a swinging or sliding barrier that will close the entrance to a room or building or vehicle?
< 1381500548 798450 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of door is there for physics teachers to try to quantum tunnel through.
< 1381500582 970420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it just didn't have enough benefits over "traditional" mechanisms to accomplish the same thing to quantum tunnel outside Solaris.
< 1381500610 362332 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, we're stuck with horrendous abominations like d-bus and suchlike.
< 1381500629 136733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can pass file descriptors through a door, but you can do that over Unix domain sockets too. And there's a library written around it, but you can write libraries around anything.
< 1381500687 332637 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ☺
< 1381500689 26427 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+263A WHITE SMILING FACE]
< 1381500704 191863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't look very white in this terminal.
< 1381500735 600965 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :them pixels drawing the face are somewhat white in this terminal, I guess... (what colourscheme do I use again?)
< 1381500743 383620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh would you look at that, I need to catch a
< 1381500745 849877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode BUS
< 1381500747 669979 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/unicode", line 5, in \ print u"".join(map(unicodedata.lookup, sys.argv[1:])).encode("utf-8") \ KeyError: "undefined character name 'BUS'"
< 1381500761 877675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That thing is so useless. That's U+1F68C.)
< 1381500837 741716 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :🚌
< 1381500853 392966 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... urxvt/weechat seem to have some trouble with chars outside the BMP...
< 1381501027 840718 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: reboot
< 1381501459 847882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My urxvt/irssi setup, too.
< 1381501478 674504 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381501496 967112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I got some surrogates out when I tried to paste one to Unidecode, which is the silliest.
< 1381501553 536883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Did Java's Modified-UTF-8 use UTF-8-encoded surrogates?
< 1381501795 149979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Guess it did.)
< 1381501921 895423 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1381503222 130960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381504221 704080 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381504303 136715 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-33-66.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381504336 227910 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-33-66.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1381504336 373612 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381504355 139722 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381504376 848760 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381504453 814332 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode POULET
< 1381504456 71207 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/unicode", line 5, in \ print u"".join(map(unicodedata.lookup, sys.argv[1:])).encode("utf-8") \ KeyError: "undefined character name 'POULET'"
< 1381504524 677697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : How do I prove that in radians sin x ~= x when x =~= 0? <-- i recall from some discussion that it's quite tricky to do from the intuitive geometric definitions without being circular.
< 1381504551 693801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud
< 1381504551 839266 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 1h 29m 57s ago: but it's expensive! and I don't think there are that many phở joints in hexham.
< 1381504622 713778 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1381504670 556959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: of course from the power series definition of sin x it's "trivial".
< 1381504866 314720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf did this get a commit http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/7003033326b8
< 1381504922 333008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i see, it was with `run probably, so some of the >'s got shell interpreted
< 1381504936 551241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1381504938 510111 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ \ +[+ \ bdsmreclist \ bi \ bin \ bin` \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ dog \ etc \ factor \ file \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ mind \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf
< 1381504951 256459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm + +[+
< 1381504954 778466 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf +[+
< 1381504955 462785 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1381504969 80798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: see my previous link
< 1381504999 696275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1381505001 278378 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bdsmreclist \ bi \ bin \ bin` \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ dog \ etc \ factor \ file \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ mind \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf
< 1381505072 329281 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e "#!/usr/bin/env python\n# -*- encoding: utf-8 -*-\nimport sys\nimport unicodedata\ntry:\n print u''.join(map(unicodedata.lookup, sys.argv[1:])).encode('utf-8')\nexcept KeyError:\n print u'Úńḱńóẃń ćh́áŕáćt́éŕ.'" >bin/unicode
< 1381505075 921169 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1381505082 188285 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode LATIN SMALL LETTER A
< 1381505084 62685 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1381505084 710852 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :(
< 1381505090 199458 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ZZZZZZZZ
< 1381505091 933498 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/unicode", line 8, in \ print u'Úńḱńóẃń ćh́áŕáćt́éŕ.' \ UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 0-6: ordinal not in range(128)
< 1381505095 287755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: um what did you change
< 1381505101 13928 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaurgh!
< 1381505121 634485 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tried to add a try/except for `unicode not to choke on a KeyError.
< 1381505122 116856 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1381505130 559304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1381505136 503442 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e "#!/usr/bin/env python\n# -*- encoding: utf-8 -*-\nimport sys\nimport unicodedata\ntry:\n print u''.join(map(unicodedata.lookup, sys.argv[1:])).encode('utf-8')\nexcept KeyError:\n print u'Unknown character.'" >bin/unicode
< 1381505139 777765 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1381505190 588998 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode MAKE MY DAY, PUNK.
< 1381505192 455666 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character.
< 1381505203 509808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: iirc you essentially have to go through a proof that the circumference of a circle is 2pi*r
< 1381505280 663610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that. different ways of saying essentially the same limit thing.
< 1381505305 541675 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1381505448 860370 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381505478 84346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin'(x) = cos(x) is of course one of those.
< 1381505484 401236 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1381505514 120749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which allows you to get yours with l'hôpital's rule.)
< 1381505520 86264 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, which was the proof I was trying to understand
< 1381505533 562545 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, that sin'(x)=cos(x))
< 1381505540 611197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1381505594 812949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to be precise, you need to carefully define the length of a circle arc somehow.
< 1381505632 77226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how archimedes did it, when he proved c = 2pi*r.
< 1381505668 605365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although in modern treatments, the length of a smooth curve is defined using derivatives.
< 1381505679 841396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if you do that, you get a non-circular proof.
< 1381505703 69059 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : How do I prove that in radians sin x ~= x when x =~= 0?
< 1381505724 391603 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has presumably told you this already but the maclaurin series is the quickest way
< 1381505750 483650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: i did, but i also guessed he's asking for a deeper issue.
< 1381505766 257286 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: well, that's circular for Taneb's question unless you say that sin is defined to be the limit of this power series
< 1381505800 673139 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as opposed to being defined to be some nonsense with circles)
< 1381505844 606931 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all true, but actually proving that d/dx(sin x) = cos x is not something i've ever seen, at least
< 1381505852 828642 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think mostly I'm falling asleep
< 1381505880 744463 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, it's pretty easy using that lim_(x->0) (sin x) = x
< 1381505895 261479 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the limits definition of differentials
< 1381505901 884555 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that exactly the thing you were meant to prove
< 1381505926 37860 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that was the thing I asked about
< 1381505927 675399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: this is the x and y of the xy problem in question.
< 1381505943 819137 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern trigonometry avoids circular reasoning.
< 1381505951 223077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are equivalent to each other.
< 1381505956 875678 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't actually meant to do anything
< 1381505964 267131 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put the milk in the fridge maybe
< 1381505967 802700 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I failed at that
< 1381506039 480789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks he didn't forget to unpack his own groceries
< 1381506077 444013 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do that now
< 1381506078 694392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: anyway it's good to ask such questions, it's what i vaguely recall doing when i started univ.
< 1381506085 393967 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381506092 871587 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok which one of you assholes posted this http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/1o7ktk/what_happened_to_real_redstone/
< 1381506160 490466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmt: i don't recall that nick here.
< 1381506184 780972 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does it mean I can spam^H^H^H^Hkindly welcome lmt?
< 1381506193 972569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog which is a hallmark of a good esolang
< 1381506253 379895 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmt, the comments on this thread are physically hurting me
< 1381506253 525392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never trust HackEgo's No outputs on first - right.
< 1381506257 944299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: nope, not new.
< 1381506261 551783 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: good
< 1381506266 377899 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel the pain
< 1381506287 465717 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's just saying that near the x axis, the circle is practically vertical
< 1381506310 100100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION almost forgot to swat Jafet -----###
< 1381506348 289070 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just can't appreciate the kind of vast, redstone-powered computers that folks build in Minecraft. While it clearly takes dedication and talent to design them, it's kind of like looking at someone's model railroad or stamp collection. It's impressive, but not something that really 'impacts' you beyond saying, "Wow, this guy has a ton of time on his hands".
< 1381506349 221690 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh well. maybe next time! (and hopefully it won't be an overly attached misguided young teenaged colombian girl...)
< 1381506377 468723 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1381506385 338691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what we need to ask, are those spanish people all the same girl
< 1381506431 655026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmt: what is the point of minecraft _other_ than doing such things.
< 1381506459 960483 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :building stuff
< 1381506468 986557 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks good on renders
< 1381506530 829552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn lmt is insufficiently mad for this channel.
< 1381506535 518745 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1381506589 160111 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can kind of sympathise to an extent though, MC circuitry was far more interesting when it was all about crazy physics exploits
< 1381506605 866191 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm the only one mad enough for this channel, actually
< 1381506616 745416 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... the good old times where I exploited grass growth for my mad contraptions...
< 1381506620 517395 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: yeah, redstone isn't really a particularly good esolang
< 1381506652 99555 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most esoteric part of minecraft is getting upside-down stairs to align with each other
< 1381506699 957310 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the block update detector becoming an actual block was the dumbest thing ever
< 1381506767 117051 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? it did?
< 1381506818 835544 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it was tentatively announced but not actually released
< 1381506865 876734 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i miss boatvators though
< 1381506867 562262 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and boosters
< 1381506915 212202 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand have you seen the guy creating spawners in vanilla survival
< 1381506946 455429 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :minecraft is not quite dead yet
< 1381507008 729689 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dwarf Fortress is where it's at
< 1381507028 749748 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was under the impression that minecraft has been completely usurped by its own modding community
< 1381507032 687213 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ON THAT TOPIC
< 1381507036 893360 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: here's the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iaU1TvIQqM
< 1381507041 956327 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, GO ON
< 1381507048 286422 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: the most insane thing i've ever seen
< 1381507050 62734 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, MAKE FORT
< 1381507058 792295 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VANILLA OR ANTHRACITE
< 1381507061 455154 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure vanilla survival
< 1381507143 730876 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have anthracite, use that
< 1381507162 125039 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have gone back to my opinion that mineral distribution is still complete shit
< 1381507173 205546 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1381507191 812031 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand if you make it more realistic it will just be boring as hell
< 1381507207 149582 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anthracite it is
< 1381507207 375855 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boatvators are dead??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
< 1381507249 348819 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every embark would just have at most one mineral
< 1381507275 6534 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmt, anthracite is my mod, it adds high-yield coal ore to some stone layers and adds iron ore to others
< 1381507283 290308 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1381507293 157917 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes it actually possible to start a steel industry on most sites
< 1381507298 338517 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame
< 1381507313 397274 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1381507313 736455 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to start a steel industry pick a proper embark
< 1381507326 62493 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :please
< 1381507350 868727 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with dfhack's prospect-on-embark-screen thing i wasn't able to find a site with coal, flux and ore
< 1381507383 372066 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well keep looking!
< 1381507390 572083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🚌
< 1381507390 950264 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prospect-on-embark underreports flux
< 1381507393 333853 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+D83D DUNNO] [U+DE8C DUNNO]
< 1381507400 246339 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :flux was not the issue
< 1381507402 442563 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who needs coal
< 1381507409 126537 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the embark screen says flux i believe it
< 1381507441 96276 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never used coal ever
< 1381507448 624765 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this argument is not going to be anything but worthless and acrimonious, let's stop
< 1381507450 305039 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need coal or charcoal to make steel
< 1381507451 232395 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's lava on every map
< 1381507454 779317 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and trees
< 1381507457 40110 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on every map
< 1381507460 621592 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll play how i want to, you play how you want to
< 1381507473 497771 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Choosing a site now
< 1381507562 424482 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, btw dfhack is now essentially "the dwarf fortress unofficial patch project"; i highly recommend it even if you never actually use any of its tools
< 1381507577 280850 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even fixes the temperature system!
< 1381507604 344880 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even fixes the cursor jumping to the middle of the screen when you switch modes!
< 1381507634 180157 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly it doesn't fix the need to have four different cursor modes
< 1381507689 202994 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i'm serious about never using coal - i dont' think i've ever even seen any
< 1381507695 856044 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1381507703 825053 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why mineral distribution is shit
< 1381507724 23235 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but that doesn't actually prevent you from having steel
< 1381507750 1531 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ten layers of sedimentary stone which may contain useful ores, then a hundred layers of worthless metamorphic and igneous intrusive
< 1381507795 368979 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmt, i do know this, my perspective is just slightly skewed on account of just having spent a while playing on a glacier
< 1381507830 10401 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how geology works, yes
< 1381507843 484305 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1381507852 781533 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :df is not, and has never been, about realism
< 1381507859 700100 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ways real life does not work:
< 1381507893 263392 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't fit an unlimited number of people into a given space because they're lying down
< 1381507919 684839 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't feed a couple hundred people off two underground farm plots
< 1381507955 36965 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :people don't eat, sleep and drink once every month or two
< 1381507983 940944 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't attach an archimedan screw to a watermill and make a perpetual motion machine
< 1381507996 574704 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't fit a few hundred boulders into the same space taken up by a chair
< 1381508017 364370 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pressure sometimes causes liquids to end up higher than when they started in real life
< 1381508112 141247 :lmt!~user_name@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1381508127 224402 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, embark on a small island y/n
< 1381508146 360105 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :n, you'll get no contact from non-dwarven civs
< 1381508157 149668 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had the same problem on the glacier, it's just boring in the long run
< 1381508197 358596 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you might not even encounter megabeasts
< 1381508204 647960 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you encounter megabeasts
< 1381508219 802884 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my previous fortresses got wiped by a fire demon on a small island
< 1381508268 416140 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Embark with no reported flux y/n
< 1381508282 991723 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm
< 1381508361 610228 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :n, getting flux is really hard
< 1381508553 901810 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to make a new world, then
< 1381508812 707606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+D83D and U+DE8C are surrogates. Dunno where they come from.
< 1381508844 217955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Python language environment officially only uses UCS-2 internally since version 2.0, but the UTF-8 decoder to "Unicode" produces correct UTF-16."
< 1381508847 478280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess from there.
< 1381508889 341957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Since Python 2.2, "wide" builds of Unicode are supported which use UTF-32 instead;[12] these are primarily used on Linux."
< 1381508912 73133 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_
< 1381509051 338161 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1381509051 483780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'unichr(65536)'
< 1381509053 483963 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "", line 1, in \ ValueError: unichr() arg not in range(0x10000) (narrow Python build)
< 1381509061 452954 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, this worldgen is up to the Age of Heroes
< 1381509065 145626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"narrow Python build" I guess that's why it doesn't do non-BMP.
< 1381509081 742597 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, good age that
< 1381509289 706901 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worldgen 2 complete
< 1381509965 612673 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381510353 421354 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*
< 1381510366 86849 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worldgen 3
< 1381510398 710766 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I'm leaving at 7
< 1381510530 811902 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On another note, it's less than two weeks until I attend a relatively Haskell-themed event
< 1381510666 745958 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381510745 240672 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatively haskell-themed, eh?
< 1381510760 735915 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye
< 1381510782 914990 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got people like Phil Wadler and Neil Mitchell
< 1381510869 998267 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure how to make the Rust 0.8 REPL evaluate anything without segfaulting
< 1381510959 980328 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I write code with an error, it displays the error, but if I write valid code it segfaults
< 1381510973 664855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A segfault is how you know it's working.
< 1381510996 253475 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the interpreter in the HEAD is better
< 1381511026 921545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the limitless power of your imagination?
< 1381511093 179577 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381511104 767945 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh what
< 1381511118 317545 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1381511159 99705 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1381511213 884619 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, this world looks more promising
< 1381511263 631463 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in it actually has flux
< 1381511363 908151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you make capacitors out of it
< 1381511367 12494 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, embark next to a human town y/n
< 1381511371 570346 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, who knows
< 1381511389 883135 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas Doc Brown was not a dwarf
< 1381511399 430897 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like capacitors that go *BOOM*.
< 1381511431 37088 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, warm, woodland, stream, moderate vegetation, calm, clay, deep soil, multiple shallow and deep metals, flux
< 1381511451 917772 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring
< 1381511464 271685 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmt, this is elliott, Phantom___Hoover, and I playing
< 1381511464 568065 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf fortress is too boring :(
< 1381511471 218173 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boring is impossible
< 1381511501 505707 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, the only way to make it non-boring is by griefing your own game
< 1381511540 14349 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or by having three clashing playstyles interacting
< 1381511547 405449 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing
< 1381511555 626242 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course DF is boring. how would you get your minerals otherwise?
< 1381511569 507778 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmt, yeah, but it feels less self-harm-y
< 1381511574 664816 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no drills in DF if that's what you mean
< 1381511615 813700 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is unfortunate, would be cool if you could strap a giant corkscrew onto a pole and bore all the way down to lava
< 1381511634 195273 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need a p. long pole
< 1381511650 382715 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Embark with: one adamantium corkscrew
< 1381511674 223580 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you just keep adding sections to it
< 1381511783 482165 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, I'm gonna embark here now
< 1381511825 667863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mccaine.org/2013/10/09/dwarf-fortress-a-marxist-analysis/
< 1381511946 472410 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: talk to me
< 1381511946 669644 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so i just filter it out my end
< 1381511976 540752 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is not in a mood for talking.
< 1381511977 7940 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it just might not be so useful if one cannot interleave conditionals as well the quick-sort code is unusual, so " hello, world always nops in those situations)
< 1381511987 553799 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how are you today?
< 1381511987 699661 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: by no means
< 1381511990 376073 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf fortress would be nicer with progressively harder sieges and building destroyers that destroy constructed walls and traps
< 1381512012 117647 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dig
< 1381512024 409747 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf fortress needs endermen.
< 1381512035 128500 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: endermen were nerfed
< 1381512047 720318 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can't pick up things like cobble anymore :(
< 1381512058 791976 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... but... whyyyyy...
< 1381512106 949471 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dwarf Fortress will be nicer once toady writes the actual game on it
< 1381512176 634542 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, good news
< 1381512178 493799 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have flux
< 1381512185 151601 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i don't know.. i'm sorry :(
< 1381512269 498698 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, and limonite
< 1381512275 150737 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doin' p. good so far
< 1381512440 939618 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, and we've struck galena!
< 1381512452 658983 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we can make silver for hammers and lead goblets for elves
< 1381512542 712588 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the races of DF: dwarves, humans, elves, goblins, and hammers.
< 1381512603 542551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd sort of think goblets were for goblins
< 1381512626 488759 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the hammers are for the goblins
< 1381512643 571060 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for elves i recommend making a giant death trap
< 1381512652 182032 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, technically kobolds are a race too
< 1381512653 37021 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly involving lead goblets somehow
< 1381512682 423107 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I deny kobolds. I refuse to admit their existence.
< 1381512696 606807 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could serve them deadly poison in lead goblets. Wait, I guess that's not implemented.
< 1381512775 341483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: gobble gobble
< 1381512825 6862 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan left! let's party!!
< 1381512844 856445 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm blue, dabadee dabada, dabadee dabada, dabadee dabada
< 1381512890 498859 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmt: if you want to party hard, try ~duck.
< 1381512946 161500 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck
< 1381512946 776017 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- ~duck query
< 1381512947 103923 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Query information from Duck Duck Go
< 1381512962 255579 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck how to party hard
< 1381512962 746607 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Party Hard" is a song by Andrew W.K., first released as a single in 2001 and included on his first album I Get Wet.
< 1381512981 927753 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't someone in this channel trying to apply graph theory to Dwarf Fortress to find the optimum workshop/stockpile layout
< 1381512998 368802 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds plausible
< 1381513002 969628 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1381513005 728735 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where else would they be?
< 1381513021 9532 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :#df or something?
< 1381513076 722881 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#df doesn't seem to be very dwarfortressian...
< 1381513094 384199 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever dwarf fortress calls its IRC channel then
< 1381513112 28952 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#dwarffortress is incredibly bad
< 1381513115 968294 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar dwarf fortress
< 1381513116 473274 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found!
< 1381513137 68043 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't recommend that channel for any purpose
< 1381513324 195906 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KPWT
< 1381513324 784691 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KPWT 111735Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM BKN023 OVC032 10/06 A3018 RMK AO1
< 1381513765 917330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IATA codes in yet?
< 1381513821 363552 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nah. going to open an issue for that.
< 1381513852 567928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "open an issue" some kind of an euphemism?
< 1381513880 619805 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you have wet github dreams.
< 1381513957 613916 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't?
< 1381513965 911078 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1381513974 578872 :lmt!~user_name@184.71.170.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, octopussies?
< 1381514094 949245 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1381514121 121091 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381514203 808764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make that channel stats page update somehow semiautomatic, it had been a month since I last refreshed it.
< 1381514425 384866 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381514608 467717 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KNYC
< 1381514609 19836 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KNYC 111751Z AUTO 08011G16KT 030V110 10SM BKN019 OVC046 18/14 A3006 RMK AO2 SLP170 60002 T01780139 10183 20167 58008 $
< 1381514746 60240 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL
< 1381514746 583911 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 111700Z 01005KT 15SM BKN240 18/08 A3017 RMK CI7 SLP218 DENSITY ALT 200FT
< 1381514768 469563 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. kinda the same weather down there.
< 1381514772 752087 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are IATA codes those normal airport codes you see on boarding passes etc?
< 1381514807 588044 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1381514811 106354 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes. IATA codes are 3 letters long, ICAO 4 letters (sometimes 3 alpha + 1 num).
< 1381514854 770787 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some namespace issues because the FAA assigns three letter codes to every US airport
< 1381514858 459442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK
< 1381514859 606 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 111750Z 30008KT CAVOK 06/03 Q1026 NOSIG
< 1381514869 979900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so short compared to all you guys.
< 1381514884 160272 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is three letters even enough for the world's airports? seems like such a small namespace
< 1381514894 881916 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381514914 735239 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the IATA assigns three letter codes to every airport with commercial international flights and many but by no means all others
< 1381514915 346253 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no, therefore ICAO. as lexande said, there are clashes between IATA codes.
< 1381514946 58462 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if a US airport has an IATA code then the FAA code matches it
< 1381514947 843808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :43762 lines in the master-location-identifier-database-20130801.csv mentioned before.
< 1381514989 528865 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should switch to unicode so they get more letters
< 1381515008 230671 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are US airports with no IATA codes (and no commercial flights) with FAA codes that the IATA uses elsewhere
< 1381515014 209965 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CBG is perhabs the most notable examble
< 1381515017 467448 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :example
< 1381515034 411225 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yup :D
< 1381515079 392192 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KCBG, Cambridge Minnesota Municipal Airport, is known to the FAA as CBG and not known to the IATA
< 1381515111 210769 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cambridge, england is iata's cbg?
< 1381515114 803284 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :while EGSC, Cambridge UK Airport, is known to the IATA as CBG (and not known to the FAA since it's not in the US)
< 1381515145 937458 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure the FAA *know* about it
< 1381515163 650589 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1381515166 965655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The xkcd "geohash" in this graticule few days ago was right on one of the runways of the Helsinki-Vantaa airport.
< 1381515168 17469 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the IATA also *know* about KCBG
< 1381515190 354086 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've flown to an airport with no ICAO code
< 1381515194 383769 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of a hassle for my openflights
< 1381515274 277378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://carabiner.peeron.com/xkcd/map/map.html?date=2013-10-08&lat=60&long=24&zoom=9 -- there
< 1381515300 247557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sorry, I think they renamed to "Helsinki Airport" recently.)
< 1381515467 545403 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just (-2.1575, 34.2212)
< 1381515504 12667 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i found some website pretending it's called GTZ but that seems to be made up
< 1381515576 171178 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i guess it's not true that FAA codes always match IATA codes when both exist
< 1381516089 198257 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:2d69:e8db:55b3:aa30 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381516253 72398 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, i missed taneb's progress
< 1381516279 259419 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : whatever dwarf fortress calls its IRC channel then
< 1381516289 719083 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's #bay12games on newnet, for posterity)
< 1381516425 421785 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bay12games? that's ... obvious
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< 1381519148 454692 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bored. anybody knows of an exotic OS I could boot in virtualbox?
< 1381519184 293571 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows
< 1381519235 244870 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thwacks ion with an old MS-DOS manual
< 1381519326 672658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :KA9Q NOS.
< 1381519355 728431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, that's just a DOS program; but it's got an "OS" in the name.)
< 1381519474 263105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the strangest urge to boot something non-Linux on the (PV-only) Xen system fungot runs on, which is the silly. I don't think there's anything very exotic that runs paravirtualized under Xen anyway; just Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Solaris
< 1381519474 547493 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes...? :) i don't really understand why those people keep misreading. fnord luin fnord " fnord"
< 1381519517 881564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You wouldn't mind, would you? It wouldn't be that many megabytes off your nose.
< 1381519518 460275 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i have *never* seen a certificate on his wall. a couple of threads, although there are seven mandatory and n optional levels in the taxonomy, species are fnord ( well, at least so did a bit more
< 1381519530 130491 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can certify a wall?
< 1381519544 425020 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: althought not an OS, that is quite exotic.
< 1381519553 459881 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fnord luin fnord fnord.
< 1381519553 708508 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but i don't know if it's just a photo of the fnord
< 1381519556 632893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I used to use it for TCP/IPing from DOS.
< 1381519578 153381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"luin" is the first-person past-tense word for "read" in Finnish.
< 1381519659 302387 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381519666 690517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems I've pasted twenty or so Finnish misreadings on one of the channels the 'irc' style is trained on; those tend to be of the form "luin 'X'".
< 1381519716 821669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I found even the actual quote.
< 1381519723 220562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Shame on you for borrowing so literally.
< 1381519723 440868 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i just found a flaw in what i've done at http://www.cs.indiana.edu/bmastenb/")?
< 1381519764 826284 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 9front
< 1381519784 216966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's the matter with you!!
< 1381519784 427468 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what is sicp? :) " migrate my process thence!"
< 1381519794 808912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Is that the Plan 9 Xen thing?
< 1381519795 709609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: HaLVM
< 1381519806 186659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do it!
< 1381519807 228947 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, that is a fork of plan 9
< 1381519830 694005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, but one that has some Xen PV support. I saw a reference to something like that somewhere.
< 1381519854 108954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HaLVM sounds like Xen Mirage except Haskell instead of Ocaml.
< 1381519876 586059 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it me, or tolkien's languages borrowed a lot from finnish?
< 1381519889 9757 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quenya did
< 1381519896 625664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: That's an officially acknowledged fact.
< 1381519912 859484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Have you always wanted to run on a Haskell Funge-98 interpreter on HaLVM?
< 1381519913 124755 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: name is not a reader abbreviation?
< 1381519923 676654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a yes.
< 1381519936 128140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1381519999 823846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what the good Haskell Funge-98 interpreters are, though.)
< 1381520043 609443 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/sXa7yv4.png well um this is about the worst security I've ever seen in a game
< 1381520062 525748 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FF14 apparently lets you... post arbitrary JSON to modify your own character's data... without verification...)
< 1381520140 135770 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, indeed.
< 1381520150 206564 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meanwhile, installing plan 9)
< 1381520270 117197 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1381520290 126905 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, are there any?
< 1381520341 556058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1381520371 461158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Possibly there are not. I know Fungi doesn't include SOCK.
< 1381520449 709151 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does xen require a paravirtualized os?
< 1381520476 389455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, if you have hardware virtualization extensions in your processor.
< 1381520484 165373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the box in question doesn't.
< 1381520498 75523 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1381520521 753373 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :can kvm run xen-paravirtualized stuff?
< 1381520568 350908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's built on the same paravirt_ops infrastructure, at least.
< 1381520661 367680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And HVM Xen guests can do paravirt_ops drivers for efficiency (calld PV-on-HVM, I think) instead of having emulated hardware devices (provided by qemu).
< 1381520696 701117 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the same as virtio or something different?
< 1381520795 690441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess technically they might be different, but I was referring to both with paravirt_ops.
< 1381520802 259350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the codistical details.
< 1381520875 383781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It vaguely seems that the virtio drivers might be different from the Xen PV drivers.
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< 1381521297 828878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can figure out, the paravirt_ops general paravirtualization blobs are common to both Xen and KVM, but there might be some duplication with virtio drivers specific to KVM, and different ones for Xen.
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< 1381521355 546748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's network interface and block device are from xen_netfront and xen_blkfront, respectively, so that's that.
< 1381521355 783203 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: from two different employers had an affectionate way to refer to
< 1381521614 758140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1381521705 922172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's isn't a Mirage/HaLVM kind of thing already for Rust, it sounds like the kind of thing someone'd do.
< 1381521835 7328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other Xen news: Xen 4.3 removed support for the 32-bit x86 hypervisor. It's almost like "last time" (I started the late server-laptop using Xen but then they dropped 32-bit non-PAE support), except I had a borderline 64-bit (Atom 230) system this time.
< 1381521857 914017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure they're going to drop support for processors with no hardware virtualization sooner or later, though.
< 1381521874 28859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As in, the "old-fashioned" PV side.)
< 1381521914 260515 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :seemed that vmware had already dropped their PV interface, because cpus are good enough at virtualization themselves now
< 1381521950 108640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That "VMI" thing?
< 1381521959 17346 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, wikipedia said that VMI support will be dropped around 2010-2011
< 1381522038 508839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no hardware virtualization on the Atom. (Except a couple exceptions.)
< 1381522050 732238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a few of them didn't even support Intel 64.
< 1381522067 876955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not "quite a few", but the old N270 ones and such.
< 1381522112 600169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the 2013 high-ender Atoms do VT-x and all that.
< 1381522178 402029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no hardware virtualization on the Atom <--- Virtual 8086 mode!~!!!!!
< 1381522193 232500 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the earliest x86 hardware virtualization
< 1381522196 142557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also best ofc
< 1381522216 492462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some sort of paravirtualized-Xen-on-ARM project that I think also sort of died, now that ARM's introduced virtualization extensions in ARMv7 and (I guess?) made it standard in ARMv8; Xen 4.3 has a "tech preview" supporting those.
< 1381522231 743739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vmware did paravirt?
< 1381522241 600611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they only did hardware virt or dynamic translation
< 1381522273 457397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also dynamic translation can perform better than bare metal thanks to JIT optimizations
< 1381522286 761679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did paravirt: http://pubs.vmware.com/vsphere-4-esx-vcenter/index.jsp?topic=/com.vmware.vsphere.vmadmin.doc_41/vsp_vm_guide/configuring_virtual_machines/t_enable_and_disable_vmi_paravirtualization.html
< 1381522320 706327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So how about that Rust-on-Xen, then?
< 1381522321 163045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like oh, we recorded a JIT trace from your program through the kernel syscall path, now we don't actually need to switch CPU modes or perform privilege checks on that hot path
< 1381522324 183295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck yeah
< 1381522328 156224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that'd be cool
< 1381522331 252901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like HalVM you mean?
< 1381522343 829657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like that, and like the Ocaml-based Xen Mirage.
< 1381522363 630508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like people have been talking about it: https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/rust-dev/2013-March/003335.html
< 1381522527 176635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of like Xen hypervisor is the OS, and all these things are the applications. Soon they'll start talking about sharing common code between the "guests" and then it turns into some regular microkernel OS instead of a virtualization system.
< 1381522558 767799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1381522577 359062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's already precedent for running a traditional kernel on top of a microkernel
< 1381522610 333941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION actually ran MkLinux back in the day.
< 1381522636 143473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran MkLinux too, and it wasn't even too "back in the day", it was like 2003-ish.
< 1381522639 219426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1381522642 412680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay, same here
< 1381522651 426002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a decade ago!
< 1381522678 351501 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody pointed out to me the other day that I was in the first 0.1% of Facebook users and now I feel bad about helping inflict Facebook on the world
< 1381522706 280407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a... what was it, Performa 5260.
< 1381522742 87418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fun fact: went to http://www.lowendmac.com/roadapples/x200.shtml to verify the model number, because all I remembered was "it was mentioned on that list of worst Mac design choices".)
< 1381522749 280355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1381523183 250770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been an early adopter of anything else except "IRC-Galleria", a Finnish iamge gallery that started as a collection of photos of IRC users (in 2001-2002) but then morphed into a generic (if image-gallery-oriented) social network with its own groups and users, so that people these days talk about "IRC" when they mean that site. (Annoying "real" IRC users to no end.)
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< 1381523272 111099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They claim to have 50% of all Finnish 15-24-year-olds visiting per month.
< 1381523324 357479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION keeps forgetting not to pronounce fizzie's nick as if it was English.
< 1381523373 803897 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what IS the correct pronunciation
< 1381523399 250862 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it /fizzie/ (finnish joke)
< 1381523469 332303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/fitsie/ (not really).
< 1381523479 130962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that might be pretty close to how a Finn would do it.
< 1381523498 513006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We don't have a native 'z'.)
< 1381523637 700301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: is "nooodl" pronounced as if dutch
< 1381523677 776487 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly no
< 1381523770 101825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be "the good pronunciation"
< 1381523815 841393 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's any consolation i mentally pronounce "shachaf" with that thick "chhh" sound
< 1381523832 848245 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it pronounced n'dl with a glottal stop?
< 1381523873 354348 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is it כ in hebrew)
< 1381523919 722823 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or ח?? help wikipedia is confusing me)
< 1381523971 850587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: it's ח hth
< 1381523983 668081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which thick chhh sound do you want
< 1381523987 763916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/want/use/
< 1381524050 774542 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :/χ/
< 1381524056 112175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1381524062 169659 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_uvular_fricative
< 1381524062 598362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is that even
< 1381524065 373988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok good
< 1381524085 475545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_velar_fricative ...............
< 1381524100 192911 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/fɪzi/, /ʃähäf/, /nuːdl̩/, /ɔlsnœʀ/
< 1381524102 872797 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people use lots of things
< 1381524152 817711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131011-fizzie.wav <- from the rather crummy diphone synthesis Finnish voice for Festival, but the main gist of it is correct.
< 1381524184 435068 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ɔlsnœʀ/ is cute
< 1381524237 454024 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :expected boily to say /fizi/. is /ɪ/ even in french
< 1381524260 558304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131011-fizzie2.wav <- the other Finnish Festival voice, you can take an average of these two.
< 1381524268 5506 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: only as a lax allophone of [i].
< 1381524348 626190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a Finnish person says "shachaf" like this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131011-shachaf.wav
< 1381524413 770188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And these are the two ways a Finnish person might refer to kmc: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131011-kmc.wav
< 1381524475 959863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The prosody is a bit hit-and-miss.)
< 1381524483 199562 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :the finnish way to spell the alphabet sounds pretty cute too
< 1381524516 422615 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bwali/, /kaɛmse/, /vɔʀpal/, /ɛljɔt/, /fʌngɔt/, /lɛksãd/, /metasepja/, /ɛlɛmte/, /mnɔki/, /dʒafɛt/, /tanɛb/
< 1381524631 557926 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: now do `^_^v
< 1381524698 410415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: The whole alphabet: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131011-alphabet.wav
< 1381524708 923599 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: /aksãgravsiʀkɔ̃flɛkssuliɲesiʀkɔ̃flɛksve/
< 1381524766 737880 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very well
< 1381524853 854595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The "kaksoisvee" for 'w' is sort of formal, more commonly it's just "tuplavee".)
< 1381524914 722299 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“more commonly” probably depends on your location.
< 1381524923 19447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, perhaps.
< 1381524924 174403 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1381524931 343052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if only i had headphones :'(
< 1381524934 832990 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: also, /fajɚflaj/.
< 1381525113 652827 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wtfviz.net/image/63750418075
< 1381525164 943832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3dgzx4zSbjM/UUAb4KDOmpI/AAAAAAAAAJM/dn0hWHqIc0Y/s320/Kauko+Nieminen+2003.JPG
< 1381525178 995492 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the wtf is very wtfing.
< 1381525418 967872 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish alphabet. http://heh.fi/tmp/alphabet.ogg
< 1381525463 636929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, there is a reason I added some periods and spaces before generating alphabet.wav.
< 1381525550 325961 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: i'm dead
< 1381525554 828127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's the same Suopuhe voice.
< 1381525599 348408 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how it's looped four times
< 1381525622 965399 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“soi soi soi soi soi soi soi soi”
< 1381525728 928176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitlips, one of the Finnish commercial players in the field, has a web demo of their thing at http://www.bitlips.fi/tts/demo.cgi
< 1381525814 63857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For non-Finnish people: first row of radio buttons selects the voice (last one does unit selection and is therefore most natural), second row the special sound effect, and third row the speed, left to right from slow to fast.
< 1381525861 638656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The effects don't work for the last voice, it seems.)
< 1381526019 488033 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: hungry. but not for chicken.
< 1381526029 891282 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1381526050 222702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Google Translate's Finnish voice might be the best easily-accessible Finnish synthesis voice.)
< 1381526168 35779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even makes a difference between "fizzie" and "fitsie", and pronounces the former like my nick "should" go, and the latter more like "fit-sie", as far as timing and stress go.
< 1381526247 928861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also makes a pretty impressive "Finglish" if you set the input language to Finnish and paste in some English text. I laughed.
< 1381526383 353004 :nooodl!~nooodl@58.179-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear finland: what is torilla tavataan
< 1381526420 679058 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Updated. It now contains a comparison between synthesized and spoken versions of the Finnish alphabet. http://heh.fi/tmp/alphabet.ogg
< 1381526422 217118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(let's) meet at the (market) square".
< 1381526453 114449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it could be something to say as a... what's the opposite of a greeting?
< 1381526501 931528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of like "be seeing you".
< 1381526550 765761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It also has a sarcastic sense.)
< 1381526559 178459 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1381526598 115805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Did you spell the alphabet like that in primary school?
< 1381526688 376978 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not before getting an Amiga with “Say”.
< 1381526745 35816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the aforementioned Performa 5260 reading #esoteric out loud (Ircle + OS 7.5.3 builtin speech synthesis) a couple of times.
< 1381526768 386296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It wasn't a terribly good idea.)
< 1381526941 389227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1381527001 316765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my house in college had an old Mac (one of the first ever models) in the lounge running a text editor, into which people would type poetry / obscenity / ramblings
< 1381527018 738864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and occasionally we would transfer the floppy disk to a slightly less old Mac and make a text to speech recording and play it at events
< 1381527078 977681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in middle school I used remote applescript to make other people's computer lab Macs talk to them
< 1381527171 437783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked that voice where the sample sentence in the control panel was "the light you see at the end of the tunnel is the headlights of a fast approaching train", or something approximately like that.
< 1381527188 678742 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that one of the singing ones?
< 1381527197 396751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it was a sing-songy one.
< 1381527204 591998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bad News", I think.
< 1381527272 872752 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381527506 104638 :augur!~augur@pool-71-191-254-169.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381528445 254020 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381529342 856667 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381529477 907972 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 PART :#esoteric
< 1381529502 447233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381529571 697942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to access the printer in a SDL based program?
< 1381529584 396678 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381529633 83541 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m not sure SDL affects printing.
< 1381529734 980493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't see any SDL functions for printing, although is there some cross-platform library usable with SDL programs that can emulate a line printer or something like that?
< 1381529906 80930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have finally earned over 300% advantage of points in basketball; before I was between 200% and 300%.
< 1381529933 343173 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]
< 1381530005 254204 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381531164 288339 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1381531205 645072 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :say I have a language in which it is possible to implement programs that would output every possible integer sequence
< 1381531235 245478 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that one program per sequence?
< 1381531238 428182 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1381531265 686975 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :say there is an output function which takes an arbitrarily large integer as argument, and outputs it
< 1381531296 28998 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this is possible
< 1381531299 229961 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume for every sequence (a_n) there exists a program where this output function is called first on a_0, then a_1, etc
< 1381531303 498002 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without infinitely long programs
< 1381531319 607568 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there are only a countably infinite number of possible programs
< 1381531321 166865 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the set of all integer sequences is uncountable
< 1381531332 391522 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But an uncountably infinite number of possible sequences of integers
< 1381531336 642769 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the set of programs in a given language is countable
< 1381531351 833425 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's a problem
< 1381531363 466830 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you need infinitely long programs
< 1381531379 92852 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that there are no turing-complete languages at all
< 1381531382 418 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've been lied to
< 1381531395 568926 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The set of computable integer sequences is countable
< 1381531415 962311 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!
< 1381531422 962301 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a computable integer sequence?
< 1381531447 184214 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One that you can write a program to output it, pretty much
< 1381531447 616109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is a program to output it. :p
< 1381531455 234673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of computable anything is countable
< 1381531459 498954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the set of programs is countable
< 1381531469 376936 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much my point
< 1381531495 314097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: Your point seems to be missing the link between itself and the alleged impossibility of Turing-completeness.
< 1381531496 461198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1381531523 145793 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, "turing-complete" means you can write any program
< 1381531528 161147 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I just proved that's not possible
< 1381531533 558088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: You didn't.
< 1381531540 116570 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are simply not enough different programs
< 1381531546 262799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: You can write any program, so you can output any computable integer sequence, sure.
< 1381531555 144704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: There's no requirement that all integer sequences have programs.
< 1381531557 196762 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm gonna drop out of computer school and become a musician instead, now that I know the truth
< 1381531573 74018 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but what's the definition of computable?
< 1381531605 246304 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"computable means it can be done by a program" "this language is turing-complete because you can write a program for every computable task"
< 1381531636 55479 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :outputting a simple integer sequence sounds like something you should be able to do
< 1381531649 663897 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhows, I'm going to bed now
< 1381531651 569349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "sounds like something" isn't much of an argument.
< 1381531683 962373 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear the Church-Turing thesis isn't either
< 1381531713 810425 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Church-Turing really affects the definition of Turing-complete, though.
< 1381531721 254932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1381531735 770642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Turing-complete if you can do everything a Turing machine can do, and the name doesn't really sound like it'd promise anything more.
< 1381531739 928218 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing machines are a perfectly well defined mathematical construct regardless of the C-T thesis
< 1381531779 612524 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it basically says "Being Turing-complete is equivalent to 'be able to do anything'" without really stating what "anything" is
< 1381531790 990880 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it's intuitive
< 1381531792 392661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the C-T thesis says yes
< 1381531796 286798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a formal statement
< 1381531798 104829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be
< 1381531798 423462 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, integer sequences are intuitive
< 1381531805 380557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot proceed from the informal to the formal by formal means!
< 1381531810 849647 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know, the flying fire-breathing monkeys
< 1381531823 375870 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night :)
< 1381531841 816567 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"
< 1381531900 67622 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1381531908 888916 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck was he on about
< 1381531939 124832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Koen_ the C-T thesis is about machines which can actually be built; it's easy enough to make mathematical models stronger than a Turing Machine
< 1381531939 270458 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1381531976 778095 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it really
< 1381531985 382410 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like a limiting statement, isn't it
< 1381532014 229264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well feel free to substitute "method which can be carried out" for "machine which can be built"
< 1381532044 241690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what you mean tho
< 1381532072 185840 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously you can't actually build a TM because infinite memory
< 1381532087 621562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true true
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< 1381533059 97628 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any uninteresting complex numbers
< 1381533085 120564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i" don't think so.
< 1381533090 459934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to say 0 but maybe it's actually one of the most interesting numbers ever!!
< 1381533127 168970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is any uninteresting real number also an uninteresting complex number, or is it more complex than that?
< 1381533154 69672 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The proof that there are no uninteresting naturals doesn't extend to it at all, I think
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< 1381533203 774369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can order the Gaussian integers.
< 1381533225 678582 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well-ordering theorem bitches
< 1381533234 63558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(idk if that actually works)
< 1381533357 108377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you can find some property that lets you pick one of the assumed uninteresting complex numbers.
< 1381533411 278820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick, anyone know if [ foo -et bar ] is in POSIX test?
< 1381533418 330779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, -ef rather
< 1381533455 177046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/test.html
< 1381533463 140440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some additional primaries newly invented or from the KornShell appeared in an early proposal as part of the conditional command ( [[]]): s1 > s2, s1 < s2, str = pattern, str != pattern, f1 -nt f2, f1 -ot f2, and f1 -ef f2. They were not carried forward into the test utility when the conditional command was removed from the shell because they have not been included in the test utility built into historical implementations of the sh utility.
< 1381533472 967099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadness
< 1381533500 417581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you doing autotools things again or something
< 1381533508 267789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no just hacking the servo configure script a bit
< 1381533522 188239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is hand-written, not autoconf)
< 1381533565 777566 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just put bash after #! and ignore posix?
< 1381533578 277104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems rude
< 1381533621 123213 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you supporting anything that actually doesn't have bash at all?
< 1381533669 877609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just compare stat -c '%d.%i' of both files except that stat(1)'s not POSIX either.
< 1381533720 387651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was my first idea before I thought to check if test had this ability built in
< 1381533723 875986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no
< 1381533851 710599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want ./configure to check if $0 and ./configure are the same file
< 1381533880 42470 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly I should do: fgrep -q pO1TnNAzAlfRkUq4T/sSzf5hSjP3XxK7kA+ItpXA5Kx+Gm47yVFr5+Q/bQK6wJfTSLARo6HgVIsF ./configure
< 1381533913 357917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that base64 /dev/urandom
< 1381533945 481640 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
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< 1381536420 136720 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: If you wanna be POSIXly correct, you *could* just use c99 on a generated C file. :P
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< 1381537820 460812 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck yeah
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< 1381540210 418486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know how to cross-platform printing with SDL so that I can add support for printing to the Aimfiz Z-machine interpreter.
< 1381540236 899381 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really should try to make #lang qoppa
< 1381540473 313851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think SDL will help you with printing zzo38
< 1381540628 155956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently it can only transcript to a file (using raw ZSCII characters; line breaks are always CR and it doesn't wrap and so on), but I want to add printer support for transcript too. I know SDL has no printout support, but I wanted to know if there is another library that can be used with SDL, tat will do it.
< 1381540667 496004 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean printing like, with a machine, putting things on physical paper
< 1381540692 382078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I mean in the paper
< 1381540717 427787 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would sdl do that
< 1381540806 622855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other libraries for use with SDL, such as one for networking, fonts, GUI, etc but is there a library for cross-platform printing that can be used with SDL too? I only need to emulate a line printer; nothing fancy.
< 1381540863 208490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you have a text-only line printer (or a PCL printer, which also accepts raw text) then you can use that, but the library would still need to deal with it properly.)
< 1381542598 293560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a Pokemon mahjong game.
< 1381542621 928375 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has two kind of sequences.
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< 1381544932 8002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think with the Intel 8253 PIT with one channel connected to the gate of another you can make a few different kind of wave forms rather than only a square wave. Do you know if this was ever done? If you set the modulator to mode 3 and the carrier to mode 1, could you make a square wave with varying duty cycles?
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< 1381547406 781937 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381547879 305794 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd better try it and find out!!
< 1381548091 724601 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any way to test it, unfortunately.
< 1381548178 92811 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other thing I thought of is if it can be used in Famicom cartridge somehow.
< 1381548484 678992 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381549179 497403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up a list of "Robe of Strange Items" for Dungeons&Dragons game; you can pick an item at random from the robe (only one at a time, though). Some of them include: [0] A sword that causes extra damage to humans, elves (including drow), and dwarves. [1] A wand of magic missiles that does damage equal to the target's HD instead of normal damage of that spell.
< 1381549231 17747 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want ideas for Memescript. I want memes that I can use for it.
< 1381549233 509714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2] A deck of cards with the six of clubs missing. [3] A tuning fork (tuned to 440 Hz). [4] A coin, silver one side, gold one side. [5] A padlock and the matching key. [6] The holy symbol of whoever took it from the pocket. [7] Two pieces of chalk.
< 1381549261 505513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[8] Two solid balls, one iron and one wood. The holder of one can command them to switch places or cause both to vanish simultaneously, regardless of the distance between them.
< 1381549281 25773 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :memes are dumb. have you noticed that susan blackthorn is a wizard
< 1381549287 531033 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "I'll make my own VARIABLE with VALUE and hookers!" as variable declaration.
< 1381549315 509457 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In reference to Bender's quote in Futurama.
< 1381549320 189663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No, I don't know who that is.
< 1381549324 940596 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Episode 2.
< 1381549326 141344 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok zzo
< 1381549332 570878 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: this sounds dumb
< 1381549341 16498 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So are memes!
< 1381549345 200192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This kind of magical balls can be a useful kind of magic items I think.
< 1381549347 797854 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes
< 1381549370 675589 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If then: "Not sure if CONDITIONAL or just the opposite."
< 1381549378 63821 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Futurama Fry.
< 1381549396 989738 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i mean you're regurgitating oneliners and making it "a programming language" for some reason.
< 1381549411 865513 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "I don't always know CONDITIONAL, but when I do..."
< 1381549420 287458 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dos Equis guy.
< 1381549448 441606 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :regurgitating oneliners and selling out to drug selling corps.
< 1381549472 34302 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, LOLCODE turned out to be popular, OK?
< 1381549482 592290 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't blame a guy for trying?
< 1381549500 44593 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not blaming you for anything, just saying there are probably better efforts to make.
< 1381549520 441077 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conspiracy Keanu for conditionals, then?
< 1381549637 292074 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what? I don't need you!
< 1381549646 629063 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make my own esolang with blackjack and hookers!
< 1381549712 434832 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting to consider why such jokes are funny and why they are not. repeating a oneliner is saying, "Hey, remember when you laughed at this thing? I did too! We laughed together and that was good."
< 1381549721 726664 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if the oneliner is too common you lose that friendship element
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< 1381551165 520456 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist recently
< 1381551170 696805 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist recently: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
< 1381551172 210825 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe hours ago
< 1381553282 869856 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :x doesn't always equal 3, but when it does...
< 1381554373 285629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what?
< 1381554397 658946 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :the payload of the conditional
< 1381554398 109473 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1381554592 73507 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it be the conditional that isn't optimized out if the compiler finds x is always going to be 3 and gives a warning in that case?
< 1381554613 253767 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: not sure if always 3
< 1381554615 556298 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1381554877 897473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo make a programming language out of zzo38's list of items instead
< 1381555053 754536 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I particularly like [4] and [8]
< 1381555816 583734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, I particularly like [8]
< 1381555903 797054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure you could try to make up a programming language based on my Dungeons&Dragons games, although it doesn't seem like something you could actually make a good esolang out of (although I may be wrong; I haven't tried so I don't know; however, it is my belief that you can't).
< 1381557254 690605 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1381557704 257950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does hardware COME FROM work?
< 1381558253 751986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have an implementation of the "TMG" compiler-writing system?
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< 1381560696 237413 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah. Trying to paste into a special Racket pastebin, but it's not working
< 1381560727 148301 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381560755 389699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie (I don't know what the good Haskell Funge-98 interpreters are, though.) <-- i thought elliott made one, i recall discussing making multi-cursor zippers of quadtrees.
< 1381560755 535251 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1381560796 856074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know if it was "good" in other ways, though, the design may not have been ideal for speed :)
< 1381560857 425731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i am slightly doubtful he ever got through the mess of implementing that zipper stuff.
< 1381560922 15392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the process he solved x:Seq :: thrist:[]
< 1381561012 122024 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thrist"?
< 1381561031 139789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/thrist
< 1381561053 871107 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, cool
< 1381561381 716430 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/8396655
< 1381561509 883727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that turning racket postfix
< 1381561629 883071 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only function applications (and the order of the argument themselves stay the same, just the function itself goes at the end instead of beginning. And only in the let-syntax form
< 1381561684 964120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am guessing it doesn't work if the first argument looks like a macro name
< 1381561735 549691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or syntax keyword, which iiuc is essentially indistinguishable
< 1381561758 13336 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure you're right, it would try to expand the macro instead
< 1381561814 264442 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need sleep
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< 1381564604 34435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if something has the DNA that goes the other way?
< 1381564740 699295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the one with the goatee is the evil mirror twin.
< 1381564800 242111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't the goatee be reflected in the mirror
< 1381565038 674986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the DNA which is mirrored, silly
< 1381565065 622584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you mirror everything then it will include the DNA too.
< 1381565077 715461 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It still doesn't answer my question.)
< 1381565191 611725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you mirror the DNA but not the ribosomes and stuff that interprets it, then it presumably will not work at all. if you mirror everything, then most of it will probably work the same, just mirrored. (i don't think the fundamental parity violations in physics affect chemistry significantly.)
< 1381565286 846500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they're mostly about the rare weak force.
< 1381565362 122204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That much I can understand, but what if something with mirror DNA eat blood of something with normal DNA or whatever?
< 1381565573 31836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that depends if digestion manages to break it down enough that the results are no longer assymetric.
< 1381565619 667918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it doesn't, then some of it won't be usable.
< 1381565642 570605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It can include other body parts too; blood is just one example. I am trying to generalize a bit in what I am trying to mean.)
< 1381565934 268343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirality_(chemistry)#In_biology doesn't say much about digestion, although it mentions that opposite chirality amino acids tend to taste sweet.
< 1381565977 149061 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381566135 170089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK. Someone else mentioned allergies in some other story but I don't know how accurate this is or if there is a way to avoid this. (I am making a story for a text-adventure game, and wish to make the science as accurate as I could reasonably do so; some things aren't done yet but there are things like warp drive along pre-determined paths theories, so I can use those kind of things too)
< 1381566149 911111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This way, the player who knows some science can use it to figure out the game)
< 1381566528 92142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see the talk page mentions ibuprofen as a drug whose enantiomer is inactive.
< 1381566597 528513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what "enantiomer" means (I may look it up later), but OK.
< 1381566641 907869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the technical term for chemical mirror twin
< 1381566702 999590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of substances)
< 1381567784 544043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If you're talking about Shiro, I'm not sure it ever really materialized. I was waiting for him to bring it up.
< 1381567804 666908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least I think its name was Shiro.)
< 1381567827 903843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rings a bell.
< 1381567985 143561 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381569417 745953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use this picture to show you how to calculate when is Chinese new year: http://zzo38computer.org/img_14/chinese-new-year.png
< 1381569460 981457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All of the relevant things are labeled, except for the numbers along the left and right side of the screen, which indicate the days of the month.)
< 1381569518 742030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this understandable to you, or is there something wrong with it?
< 1381569682 454094 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If there is something wrong, then please notify me so that I can fix it.)
< 1381569944 125775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1381570468 835342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381571338 729310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1381572191 780554 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-159.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381572227 727662 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381572743 385633 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1381573198 700419 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381574459 317015 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.35 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1381576134 213801 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm at a LAN party playing Dwarf Fortress
< 1381576158 756650 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why... would you play df at a lan party
< 1381576176 581497 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it needs to be played
< 1381576213 456640 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good lan party
< 1381577630 881272 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381578499 760784 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 NICK :nooodl
< 1381578655 782416 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-159.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381578864 402620 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.116 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381579324 404844 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381580213 963700 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help someone in a completely unrelated channel said "hth" and now I'm confused
< 1381580246 846477 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth means hth, hth
< 1381580530 892571 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1381580926 433944 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what myname said, hth
< 1381581728 826201 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-159.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1381581764 472200 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-159.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381582761 284715 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381582890 640738 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not operator: "You know what really grinds my gears? EXPRESSION"
< 1381582919 870353 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Program termination: "Shut up and take my money!"
< 1381583087 744816 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, guys? Cam you please help me here? Working on Memescript syntax!
< 1381583100 615200 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of much.
< 1381583103 952172 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1381583236 48893 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23, suggestion, don't make memescript
< 1381583285 620487 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y u no agree with me? Do you know what you're dealing with?
< 1381583305 409571 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :please
< 1381583311 379017 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o plz
< 1381583312 191931 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm asking you as a friend
< 1381583314 592507 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: there is already lolcode
< 1381583337 59941 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolcode ain't no memescript
< 1381583396 989625 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. I got the idea while watching Futurama
< 1381583415 442481 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we can make a poll.
< 1381583424 154654 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolcode isn't even esoteric
< 1381583429 565874 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's make a poll.
< 1381583431 912696 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's at least 2 languages with stuff like that and it's a billion too many
< 1381583500 521213 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck would a poll do
< 1381583521 830628 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23, look within your heart
< 1381583528 125998 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want to make this
< 1381583567 385758 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda do. But OK, I'll stop.
< 1381583577 648154 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go off and make my own esolang!
< 1381583586 105963 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With blacjack and hookers!
< 1381583586 574539 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :will it be good
< 1381583601 224739 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that one of those "meme" things too
< 1381583613 126730 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a joke.
< 1381583628 580240 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't blame a guy for cracking a joke!
< 1381583632 994980 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i can
< 1381583636 748306 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm blaming you
< 1381583645 706853 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame aloril_ tbh
< 1381583807 896191 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdn.meme.li/i/p1ro0.jpg Good bye!
< 1381583810 600758 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1381583889 325292 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys so mean :P
< 1381583958 780488 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381584253 559694 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-130.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381584898 664189 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, it's harsh but fair
< 1381585802 174918 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.67.177 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381585923 592343 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381587495 160084 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381591982 405031 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dru.
< 1381593334 111665 :AnotherT-!~turingcom@94-224-26-159.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381593335 23538 :AnotherT-!~turingcom@94-224-26-159.access.telenet.be NICK :AnotherTest
< 1381593666 929763 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-159.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1381593699 40505 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-159.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381594933 121891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381595322 44556 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381595648 997289 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381596128 918798 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381596157 772052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not propumpkin
< 1381596165 994462 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1381596247 798549 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1381596343 598142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just an amateurpumpkin
< 1381596349 676151 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anything you want me to order the traders to bring?
< 1381596360 163463 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-130.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381596487 421252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sics a Conjoined instance on elliott
< 1381596489 409133 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, dunno, if there's no sand get glass i guess
< 1381596503 646105 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure there is sand
< 1381596519 437792 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might get order some cloth in case of strange moods?
< 1381596545 942181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the world was better when no more than about three people knew of Conjoined's existence and two of them hated it.
< 1381596546 127689 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1381596556 243484 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1381596559 604185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1381596586 566212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, oh, that too
< 1381596590 29377 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conjoined, is that a lens thing?
< 1381596607 565026 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it's a not-quite-internal lens thing
< 1381596623 196911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically i think i may have heard about it before. although whether from one of you or from just browsing haddock, i don't recall.
< 1381596809 463490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bizarre (Indexed Int) Mafic"
< 1381596826 857857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that's internal, at least.
< 1381596962 270874 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :propumpkin
< 1381597026 236643 :NeroReflex!5fe9b71b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.233.183.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381597320 501224 :propumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1381597373 830521 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ded.increpare.com/~locus/untris/
< 1381597377 652102 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is good
< 1381597590 643793 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :dick to start? nice keming
< 1381597838 565318 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:20fb:8324:6945:439b JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381597972 905748 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, there may not be any magma
< 1381597988 91830 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1381597990 57675 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible
< 1381597993 513148 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :dig more
< 1381598039 592469 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw it's almost your turn
< 1381598069 543970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: ok i simply don't understand the rules for when it refuses to let me remove a part that _should_ be undoable...
< 1381598127 343523 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there have to be blocks below it
< 1381598135 598693 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there has to be a path to (from) the top
< 1381598154 62409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the latter i understand
< 1381598185 225114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice soundtrack.
< 1381598197 96051 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I had something else playing in the background.
< 1381598209 775525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was the Botanicula soundtrack.
< 1381598216 628299 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can control the volume with - and +)
< 1381598221 197991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now i get it, of course after you add a line the next piece you remove has to be part of it
< 1381598472 174282 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, good news, semi-molten rock
< 1381598479 465639 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :At level -14
< 1381598485 94419 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-150 below surface)
< 1381598491 986954 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, semi-molten!
< 1381598516 251358 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll leave the rest to you
< 1381598527 579631 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's late winter, too late to start now)
< 1381598528 725844 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i don't get the rules either
< 1381598573 475154 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I hope you like alpacae
< 1381598612 652507 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really all comes down to "it has to be a tetris game when you play it backwards"
< 1381598676 682103 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nice confusing detail that next piece really is the next piece
< 1381598677 777085 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could maybe take a screenshot of the thing you don't get?
< 1381598681 507317 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can't hit a piece that's floating in space because there's nothing to rest on?
< 1381598685 192176 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1381598693 239942 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok, i guess that makes sense
< 1381598756 342216 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't add a row above a certain height...?
< 1381598881 943259 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just, you can't add a row above an empty row
< 1381598893 374734 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well, hm
< 1381598894 710809 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there is no way to place a block into it and clear it
< 1381598920 656003 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how can i possibly get rid of these floating pieces...
< 1381598949 345409 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :add rows below 'em
< 1381598957 868643 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really hard
< 1381598975 290141 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really don't get it.
< 1381599038 660123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you get stuck, you can always z back and try some other route.
< 1381599116 238503 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, my year's over
< 1381599118 612063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or is that "z forward"?)
< 1381599141 734666 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you want me to send you the map?
< 1381599147 717656 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://lpaste.net/6894508127488573440
< 1381599175 971515 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, er, however
< 1381599216 17850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going out in a quarter of an hour, i doubt i'll be back until tomorrow
< 1381599217 613800 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: i had a whole blank row between, though.
< 1381599377 975250 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... you can't select a piece from right over a new row, too, right
< 1381599469 143349 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lesson i'm learning here is that i'm astonishingly bad at tetris no matter which way entropy goes.
< 1381599501 908383 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, good point. blank rows screw everything up
< 1381599515 501927 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: maybe you should play a bit with bastet
< 1381599586 338158 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that
< 1381599608 624147 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bastard tetris
< 1381599625 39773 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetris where the ai gives you the hardest block to work with each time
< 1381599632 910780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also called: any RNG in any Tetris ever.
< 1381599648 393472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or at least that's what it sometimes feels like!)
< 1381599670 886192 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i've played HATETRIS a few times
< 1381599671 828626 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all l blocks
< 1381599714 894975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: yeah, play hatetris
< 1381599717 707019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not perfect, but...
< 1381599771 230896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: when you have a new row, the next piece must be part of it.
< 1381599796 297705 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, right
< 1381599865 984141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: also i think the point is the entropy is increasing no matter which direction you play it.
< 1381599889 825320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you start out relatively ordered, after all.
< 1381599904 969492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gave up
< 1381600104 112078 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops made another blank row
< 1381600123 859797 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1381600784 83958 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this game is driving me mad.
< 1381600930 852797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, you should have given up like i did.
< 1381600950 709898 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :good strategy oerjan
< 1381600970 51390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works for everything except life itself.
< 1381601036 359946 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why that exception?
< 1381601077 335527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it hasn't worked for me yet.
< 1381601129 446161 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, you couldn't report
< 1381601291 8973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said giving up life, not internet, sheesh
< 1381601307 158603 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1381602068 868749 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read the name of the link and i was like hmmmm, a tetris where you _remove_ tiles, like playing it in reverse, might be interesting
< 1381602083 124894 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, 3 hours later, i noticed the link again and checked out what it was
< 1381602093 284552 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked it.
< 1381602117 777092 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes, i know the link was not linked 3 hours ago.)
< 1381602327 819963 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381602561 776992 :NeroReflex!5fe9b71b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.233.183.27 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1381602572 811857 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "next piece" slot is really useful
< 1381602718 874399 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :undo is misnamed though
< 1381602809 871489 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i run out of brain trying to understand whether it is
< 1381602868 96869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have been "redo"
< 1381603077 768293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381603487 803614 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i agree
< 1381604125 438597 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.67.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries untris
< 1381605138 110684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381605484 102898 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION failed terribly at untris
< 1381605500 601079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that tetris with monominos?
< 1381605510 89337 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is quite difficult
< 1381605513 171563 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's tetris⁻¹
< 1381605546 733306 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://ded.increpare.com/~locus/untris/
< 1381605554 298822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you start with a grid of random blocks, and have to remove tetrominoes from it at the top of the board?
< 1381605565 563041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whenever you make a mistake it inserts extra lines to be able to remove the tetromino from them?
< 1381605579 375308 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something along those lines
< 1381605584 221562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that page is useless, it's written entirely with Flash
< 1381605584 974772 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get to insert lines yourself
< 1381605592 238761 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, unfortunately it's a flash game
< 1381605613 332758 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to not work in gnash
< 1381605647 846466 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if all random start positions are solvable
< 1381605773 466832 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: all operations preserve parity of number of blocks on the board right?
< 1381605803 677949 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a random start position with an odd number of blocks will be unsolvable
< 1381605826 200464 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, good point
< 1381605954 622486 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.116 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381606128 989087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds somewhat likely that it generates the start position by playing a game forward, though.
< 1381606192 397301 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it plays to 1000 points, since that's what you start with
< 1381606239 115013 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if the solution is unique though? is it guaranteed that you reach 0 exactly when you finish (start?) the game?
< 1381606270 902976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that Microsoft FreeCell came with one (out of 32000) unsolvable starting position.
< 1381606277 316966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes
< 1381606280 267880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also -1 and -2 are unsolvable
< 1381606286 678722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those two were handcrafted
< 1381606291 556597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and undocumented
< 1381606377 955402 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this stupid game.
< 1381606581 532873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You don't *need* to play it, other people stopped already.
< 1381606592 475625 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i do.
< 1381606828 298629 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-159.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1381606995 220862 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not get Untris.
< 1381607272 687531 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: jo have to revert a given game
< 1381607302 904784 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but I am never able to remove a line piece if I create a new line.
< 1381607412 824105 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only do that if your planed unmove would remove the line in a real game
< 1381607475 129678 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1381607518 155592 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, still don't get it.
< 1381607696 444763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: the piece you remove must have blocks under it.
< 1381607718 411959 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1381607727 152943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise when you play forwards, it would simply fall further.
< 1381607731 929079 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381607753 342329 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, still don't get it.
< 1381607869 183127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was hard to avoid junk building up
< 1381607918 456823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :once it gets open space under it
< 1381608682 244045 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to google and search "7.35 times 14". Then look at the first result, other than the obvious calculation. Then, laugh!
< 1381608743 734647 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow.
< 1381608747 616715 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a thing?
< 1381608752 360229 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1381608915 130536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we talking about "I am 14 and my dick is 7.5 inches i masturbate a least 2 times a ..."
< 1381608918 270579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's what I get.
< 1381608946 732361 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i hate this game
< 1381608995 16423 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it makes improper spelling corrections, like Google will often do, "7.5" instead of "7.35"
< 1381609087 828423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I discovered that you can prevent Google making such corrections by adding extraneous hyphens
< 1381609095 522576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fixes the hyphens, and doesn't re-fix it to something else
< 1381609173 987191 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can help a bit
< 1381609191 985020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: it's a thing because someone noticed it and linked it all over the internet.
< 1381609284 427100 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can figure out "that movie about drinking wine", too!
< 1381609287 927890 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sideways.
< 1381609377 648370 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:20fb:8324:6945:439b QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1381609744 953370 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, zzo38: adding quotation marks around a term tends to prevent corrections from Google, too
< 1381609756 617668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes I know that too; I have done that too
< 1381609763 263971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: but not always, somehow
< 1381610202 715137 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It sounds somewhat likely that it generates the start position by playing a game forward, though.
< 1381610211 857515 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ someone in the comment section proved that it doesn't
< 1381610224 164477 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very simple: the game can start with an odd number of blocks
< 1381610249 953663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, that's kinda nasty.
< 1381610405 153531 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any EVE players here?
< 1381610425 779428 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have kill rights on someone I want to sell
< 1381610450 612664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I have kill rights on someone I want to sell
< 1381610458 209211 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1117) I have kill rights on someone I want to sell
< 1381610596 144376 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean?
< 1381610607 588476 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-199.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381610621 858752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric
< 1381610639 691005 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone killed me in lowsec space, so I have permission to kill them in highsec space (space where NPC police will normally kill you if you kill someone)
< 1381610647 904730 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's possible to sell this permission to someone else
< 1381610714 837462 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are some weird police.
< 1381610893 876320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds a bit like one of those "get out of jail free" cards.
< 1381610941 448935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Gnit
< 1381611763 249973 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1381612444 259939 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really? It only grants permission to kill that specific person
< 1381612608 136893 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381612645 548599 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright program organization question, i'm whipping up some shit for toying with dynamical systems
< 1381612681 408938 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to organize things so that visualizations can be turned on and off, eg, a vector field background, paths from some specific point, that kind of thing, and i'm calling them "layers" because photoshop
< 1381612690 996505 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dunno whether to associate each "layer" with a vector field or what.
< 1381612838 426824 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if i'm displaying two systems at once, and the user wants to display the two paths from the same point, should that be one "layer" or two?
< 1381613120 362351 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess more granularity is probably better
< 1381613393 510797 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk NICK :TotallyNotLordAr
< 1381613411 831884 :TotallyNotLordAr!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk NICK :NotLordAro
< 1381613453 906187 :NotLordAro!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk NICK :Taneb
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< 1381615388 499086 :yajnesh_!~yajnesh@117.198.103.251 QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat
< 1381616027 628742 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watching a video, this one person sounds like the guy in The Room
< 1381616085 594098 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vimeo.com/38635607
< 1381616086 977805 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 1:45
< 1381616125 276352 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE ENTIRE COMPANY THAT PRODUCED THIS SHOULD RO.. wait, it's labeled under Bitmanagement? Hmm. IVN CAN GO ROT
< 1381618167 143858 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1381618321 822476 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1381618389 100984 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]
< 1381618576 140098 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/a/ZO3oD
< 1381618761 879268 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381618897 521344 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very good at this LAN party thing
< 1381619393 82048 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know how to get Ubuntu to use the LAN's DNS?
< 1381619436 734108 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: Doesn’t the DHCP server give that information?
< 1381619454 76720 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, it should work by default.
< 1381619471 654003 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: What’s that?
< 1381619472 622800 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem to want to :(
< 1381619477 408420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I really require a PULLUP and PULLDOWN command in HWPL? I think that something like "CONNECT -PULLDOWN() TO x;" should be same like "PULLDOWN x;" but I don'ot know if it should be included for convenience anyways.
< 1381619492 588878 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: the Violent Wormhole in EVE, a landmark
< 1381619493 844368 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: Does it work on other operating systems?
< 1381619497 715662 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Came with the Incursion expansion
< 1381619515 260698 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, seems like everyone but me and the guy next to me (who is running Arch) have it working
< 1381619521 622924 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, most people are on Windows
< 1381619534 896789 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much does EVE cost and is it worth it?
< 1381619581 491938 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: Edit your current network connection and verify that you have “Method: Automatic (DHCP)” in the IPv4 Settings tab.
< 1381619588 668464 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVE is a subscription thing, whether it's worth it depends on you
< 1381619596 4518 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, it's set to that
< 1381619597 94496 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Between $15/month and free, depending on how much in-game money you make (you can legally buy EVE time cards on the in-game market, they're an in-game item)
< 1381619622 364798 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: What does your /etc/resolv.conf look like and what should the DNS server address be?
< 1381619646 883633 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: ok
< 1381619647 839854 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)
< 1381619647 985474 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
< 1381619647 985658 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :nameserver 127.0.1.1
< 1381619647 985777 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :search fragsoc
< 1381619791 717591 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, sorry. I forgot about the dnsmasq stuff. What does nm-tool print for “DNS:”?
< 1381619814 999963 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The 127.0.1.1 is right, that just wasn’t the right place to look at the actual DNS server address nowadays.)
< 1381619990 961173 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, any particular bit of that?
< 1381619997 808893 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't particularly want to post it all in channel
< 1381620006 409983 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm-tool | grep 'DNS:'
< 1381620017 567727 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric : DNS: 10.10.10.1
< 1381620027 768934 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that what it’s supposed to be?
< 1381620040 921796 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I do the equivalent on Windows?
< 1381620048 958147 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ipconfig /all probably.
< 1381620114 964414 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's the same as a working Windows computer
< 1381620131 591852 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: for what it's worth, I'm not sure if it makes sense to pay if your only goal is sightseeing
< 1381620186 463041 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: Does dig @10.10.10.1 some-address-that-should-resolve work?
< 1381620214 725126 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to
< 1381620235 283466 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does dig 127.0.1.1 that-same-address work?
< 1381620245 888187 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dig @127.0.1.1 that-same-address, that is
< 1381620265 264150 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1381620282 281892 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does getent hosts that-same-address work?
< 1381620309 148496 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so
< 1381620330 267815 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does it not work then?
< 1381620351 914122 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, hang on
< 1381620399 586070 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, okay, the address that only resolves on this LAN doesn't work on 10.10.10.1
< 1381620436 797844 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the DHCP server gives you 10.10.10.1? How does it work for anyone?
< 1381620443 684338 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know!
< 1381620452 494797 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's an IPv6 thing?
< 1381620541 792912 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the address should resolve as an IPv6
< 1381620600 276506 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s the actual address that you can’t resolve and what does it resolve to on the other computers?
< 1381620624 434279 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :fragsoc
< 1381620636 22975 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :fe80::782c::204d::9e30::8d43
< 1381620718 262912 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, people are just putting http://fragsoc into their browser and it's resolving to a web page
< 1381620742 601750 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does fragsoc.fragsoc resolve? How about fragsoc. (with the dot) or fragsoc.fragsoc. (with the dot)?
< 1381620803 439669 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1381620849 860286 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381620880 190160 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 NICK :nooodl
< 1381620886 356097 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about fragsoc.local?
< 1381620923 283394 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1381620932 216093 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it takes longer to say no
< 1381621048 391749 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can dig resolve the host on the Arch box?
< 1381621080 975083 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :He doesn't have dig
< 1381621084 225401 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1381621091 859496 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :One minute
< 1381621107 609721 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it doesn't work
< 1381621152 401281 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :found the magma sea
< 1381621163 585833 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1381621165 681992 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: Does getent hosts resolve it?
< 1381621216 566714 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1381621243 618571 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :…But it resolves in some program on the Arch box?
< 1381621264 366076 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1381621270 445161 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :The arch box has the same problem as me
< 1381621307 102596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is sensible to make the INTERCAL's interleave and select operators in hardware programming language, as long as the right operand of select is static.
< 1381621386 223864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think of it?
< 1381621463 771464 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: Does it work if you install winbind and modify /etc/nsswitch.conf from
< 1381621465 275311 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
< 1381621467 322562 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to
< 1381621469 372833 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns wins mdns4
< 1381621567 725950 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1381621596 854417 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1381621618 669023 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you’ll have to research exactly how the host is supposed to be resolved.
< 1381621620 933997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :things i also have found: adamantine
< 1381621635 885990 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric ::C
< 1381621711 515243 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: One more thing: i suppose nmblookup fragsoc doesn’t work either?
< 1381621773 300106 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1381621775 327173 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :querying fragsoc on 10.10.10.255
< 1381621775 472861 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.10.10.1 fragsoc<00>
< 1381621815 47397 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should ask the person who set up the DNS(-ish) entry for the host fragsoc. Ask whether there is a normal DNS server somewhere or if one is supposed to use some other protocol.
< 1381621949 123396 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1381623052 65171 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, I'm on now :)
< 1381623072 288294 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had to add "10.10.10.1 fragsoc" to /etc/hosts
< 1381624340 617920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now please look at the HWPL again; I have fixed a lot of things and added some things. Is it good now? Is there anything missing or otherwise incorrect in it?
< 1381624475 303474 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the SPLIT block has the format: SPLIT [LTR|RTL] vec [BY num|IN HALF] AS var: statement [ELSE: statement]
< 1381624485 592792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this good enough?
< 1381624700 61559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I have allowed a CASE statement to have a label attached.
< 1381626033 974105 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1381626310 52827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things needed may be CMOS models, analog wiring, and foreign function interface.
< 1381626319 489693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any suggestions for this?
< 1381628165 612857 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-199.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1381628846 693427 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1381629844 863174 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/ScienceImages/comments/1obt00/homemade_double_slit_experiment_not_the_most/
< 1381629876 79517 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a bot here that can do unit conversion
< 1381629889 589928 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many pounds is 40 Gg?
< 1381630175 699714 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm overtired enough to work on a Haskell port of mcmap
< 1381630205 102794 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or overviewer?
< 1381630381 136571 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-119.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381631480 372814 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381631868 532208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like my kind of idea of text adventure game?
< 1381632311 631901 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a SDL window be opened by a extension library or only the main program is SDL based?
< 1381632325 159347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it can be opened by an extension library
< 1381632334 316757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to define something in the C source files, though
< 1381632345 396751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDL_MAIN_HANDLED
< 1381632347 714106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :before including the header
< 1381632358 664455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means that SDL won't try to provide its own main
< 1381632441 133682 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do that then if another program loads a .dll or .so file that opens a SDL window, then will it work OK? What need to be done to continue the other program to run when the window is not open (or even if the window is open)? Is simply to SDL_Init() and SDL_Quit() and then the caller can continue, would it works?
< 1381632531 203256 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1381632546 347291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anything else of concerned?
< 1381632701 914307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it doesn't any more, as of SDL 2
< 1381632718 95703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is for SDL 2
< 1381632725 402405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only on Windows, Android, iPhone
< 1381632729 330391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on other pltforms it doesn't matter
< 1381632781 575533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, okay
< 1381632792 485906 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think I am using an older version of SDL anyways, but hopefully should it work OK either way?
< 1381632804 728832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDL < 2 does funky things with main
< 1381632808 57182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to call its main
< 1381632827 903536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you have a source for Android and iPhone? it says it's just about WinMain() in http://wiki.libsdl.org/MigrationGuide
< 1381632838 529688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the source of the header files themselves
< 1381632847 79508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1381632861 621255 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird, I thought it only provided a WinMain on Windows, so you could just use main?
< 1381632877 237469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does SDL's main do?
< 1381632897 192888 :muskrat_!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-214.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381632914 297066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it provides equivalents in Java and Objective-C for Android and for iPhone
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< 1381632921 375609 :muskrat_!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-214.psoas.suomi.net NICK :muskrat
< 1381632987 679755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objective-C is a strict superset of C, so you should be able to use an existing C program and just write the stuff to wrap them in Objective-C objects, isn't it?
< 1381633056 422936 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does GCC or LLVM target Dalvik yet?
< 1381633646 606871 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to know this about SDL because I wanted to make up a SQL extension library for graphics, so that you can write something like SELECT XYPLOT(`TIME`,`SPACE`) FROM `THINGS` ORDER BY `TIME`; and make it plot the graph of the data.
< 1381633680 639476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The "XYPLOT" here is a aggregate.)
< 1381633737 553647 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ah. So, you can just write "int main()" everywhere and it'll work, but if you do fancier stuff it'll cause issues?
< 1381633740 72721 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps XYPLOT just returns a picture, and then another function SHOW takes a picture and displays it.
< 1381633853 431062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes
< 1381633880 824400 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that actually makes sense.
< 1381633890 326432 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not 100% sure it belong in SDL, but eh.
< 1381634396 505907 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, http://31.media.tumblr.com/f8e08e23c7819fc749d1d45ae719d38b/tumblr_mtjnvzKW9E1sq11yeo1_500.jpg
< 1381634427 295334 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::<
< 1381634428 514457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote usb sushi
< 1381634429 727014 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's evil
< 1381634430 320446 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :827) what does it mean for a pencil to be turing complete.... monqy: it's the same concept as USB sushi, really \ 828) usb sushi is dangerous. I think I would try to eat it
< 1381634446 378732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, two USB sushi quotes.
< 1381634472 575566 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were at the same time, I think?
< 1381636144 470507 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there other way I could support graphics with SQL?
< 1381637018 560812 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-214.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381637485 559778 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sushi does look pretty good.
< 1381637574 861650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed in this computer I have a file with list of Pokemon battle rules that I and my brother made up, including time controls, financial controls, tie breakers, and various other things.
< 1381637609 224105 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :was there a subprime mortgage crisis in hoenn
< 1381637619 774062 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, one option is this: SURRENDER COMMAND = BATTLE | MATCH
< 1381637679 462645 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Quit: Uguubee111116
< 1381637775 341047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is even such thing as doubling cube
< 1381637854 147340 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381638025 887423 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :INVALID TARGET CORRECTION = AUTO SAME SIDE | AUTO ANY SIDE | MISS | PROMPT | USER FAINTS | LOSE BATTLE | DISQUALIFY I believe "AUTO SAME SIDE" is used in the official games, although I prefer "MISS" instead.
< 1381638061 861161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your preference for such things?
< 1381638267 706507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I believe the official game actually uses auto same side if possible, otherwise random opponent
< 1381638298 218810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the same side behaviour is important, it means that you can hedge against unknown EVs on the opponent via double-targeting and knowing that the second attack will shift if necessary
< 1381638305 752829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm happy with the official rules
< 1381638330 900227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people might not always be so here I specified a lot of possibilities.
< 1381638335 439485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd remove a layer of strategy to do the vast majority of those possibilities
< 1381638386 11344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1381638412 241861 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What strategy do you think would be different with each one?
< 1381638830 509378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: double-targeting would only be valuable under prompt or auto same side, unless you were confident that it would KO
< 1381638835 150065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, not KO without it
< 1381638873 436839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's risky enough as it is because of Protect, and it just wouldn't work under almost all those rules
< 1381638888 327479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also self-destruct, though
< 1381638901 350630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes I believe you are correct in general
< 1381638925 477638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever since the nerf in gen V, selfdestruct hasn't done enough damage to be useful, and it hits everything so there's no invalid target correction anyway
< 1381638955 400589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :base 200 of (nearly always) the wrong type is like base 133 STAB
< 1381638972 137009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is only slightly higher than the top attackers would be doing anyway, and the drawback's really large
< 1381638978 385817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not oneshotting things, you wouldn't use it
< 1381638981 671997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't oneshot things
< 1381638983 551346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean if the target uses selfdestruct and goes first
< 1381639027 155787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you thought that would happen, you'd just use Protect
< 1381639136 127934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what if you didn't think that would happen (but it happen anyways) or if you don't have Protect?
< 1381639286 785716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you didn't think it would happen, you probably weren't strategizing for it
< 1381639299 496560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in doubles, it's quite rare to not have Protect, and if you do, you're probably going all-in on going first
< 1381639302 160404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the target isn't going first
< 1381639309 242146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, if you do go without Protect
< 1381639328 920810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally, if the opponent's using Selfdestruct, it's going to be because they think it's a KO
< 1381639336 583441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it probably will be a KO, and you won't be able to attack anyway
< 1381639405 928712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the invalid target correction is set to USER FAINTS, LOSE BATTLE, or DISQUALIFY, and they have the ability to go first, then they will use it even if it isn't a KO, just to trick you
< 1381639449 363687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but those settings are silly
< 1381639471 916804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with lose battle / disqualify, you'd get a free win with encore/memento and a wobbuffet
< 1381639502 267680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is as stupid, as combos go, as the one where you use serene grace blissey in order to trick the opponent into breaking sleep clause
< 1381639509 602989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I actually did use serene grace blissey, but not for that reason)
< 1381639521 587658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then for what reason?
< 1381639606 979228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that I could get it paralyzed and it couldn't get poisoned after that
< 1381639615 453396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, in general, I could switch it into status moves to protect it from toxic poison
< 1381639622 527573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep and toxic poison are huge problems for blissey
< 1381639635 672535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and toxic spikes will toxic poison it on every switch in
< 1381639645 901365 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is a pokemon art http://evandahm.tumblr.com/post/63890319543/
< 1381639646 463126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but getting it paralyzed avoids that problem
< 1381639660 263531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it gave a higher chance of freezing with ice beam, which is always nice
< 1381639669 657558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and helped save on PP due to the paralysis
< 1381639688 379778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it tends to win long drawn-out battles
< 1381639780 443079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my blissey was almost invincible against just about anything that wasn't able to kill it within 2 turns
< 1381639921 481134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or toxic poison / sleep it
< 1381640010 142061 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What game, Pokemon?
< 1381640023 946052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much do you expect use of doubling cube to affect the game?
< 1381640319 272183 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about formats for creating the team? There is official, custom data, rental, random, random rental, duplicate random rental, and you could have drafts and auctions too.
< 1381640325 29934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes
< 1381640342 788489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: doubling cube works much the same way in any game
< 1381640346 1277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The first two formats are Constructed and the others are Limited.)
< 1381640456 19522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Magic: the Gathering, Official and Custom Data would correspond to Standard and Proxy.
< 1381640482 385616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that it?
< 1381640528 624327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How do you think it is affecting pokemon game specifically though, what kind of strategies may differ as a result?
< 1381640552 249873 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seven hundred and sixty one armless and legless corpses float inconspicuously around the inside of hangar ninety six. I say that they are inconspicuous because it is their arms and legs which demand my attention.
< 1381640575 526593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think it'd affect it in any specific way compared to other games
< 1381640899 410304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which formats do you prefer, Constructed, Limited, or both? (I always play the Limited formats myself, both in Magic: the Gathering and in Pokemon.)
< 1381641036 589589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What time controls do you use?
< 1381641085 710843 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :novikov self-consistency
< 1381641226 543707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a match consisting of multiple battles, there are even more things to consider: DELETE FAINTED POKEMON = NO | YES DELETED POKEMON GO TO OPPONENT'S COMPUTER = NO | YES SURRENDER COMMAND = BATTLE | MATCH POKEMON CENTER PRICE = PROHIBIT | REQUIRE | 0..99999 and of course the doubling cube is also one thing that applies to a match of multiple battles.
< 1381641299 97739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such things as interest rates and inflation rates would also apply in such case if money is being used.
< 1381641372 481649 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you expect these to affect strategies?
< 1381642640 124688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a kind of Pokemon mahjong. It includes typed and typeless wildcards (typeless wildcards are only dealt after a drawn game and otherwise unused). There are two kind of sequences possible (numeric and evolutionary). A called set ("chii" or "pon") has to be unambiguous; for example, [2,joker,fire] is unambiguous, but [4,joker,fire] is ambiguous (it may represent [3,4,5], [4,5,6], or [4,4,4]), and [1,joker,fire] is not valid.
< 1381642670 306616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is OK for a closed set to be ambiguous.)
< 1381642743 822556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :([3,joker,fire] is also ambiguous; it represents either [2,3,4] or [3,4,5], but not [3,3,3]. If you understand Pokemon then you should understand this!)
< 1381642840 169961 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand this.
< 1381642851 133556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand Pokemon?
< 1381642919 991154 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What part did you not quite understand?
< 1381643054 479331 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1381643296 154318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, [1,2,joker] is unambiguous, [2,3,joker] is ambiguous, and [150,151,joker] is unambiguous in first generation but ambiguous in later generations. Hopefully this is clear enough, since there is no zero (if there is then clearly it is ambiguous).
< 1381643637 425214 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381644344 124430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381644542 921058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381644601 921054 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mornin', PH
< 1381644670 69690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf are you doing up at this hour
< 1381644691 752943 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAN party
< 1381644699 428635 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that thing
< 1381644731 916571 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Been playing Guns of Icarus Online
< 1381644986 476913 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jd-iaYLO1A
< 1381644995 75036 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(US-politics related)
< 1381645492 105148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia isn't there a bot here that can do unit conversion <-- yes, `frink on HackEgo
< 1381645492 250616 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1381645511 891984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 40 Gg -> pound
< 1381645531 998451 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :4000000000000000/45359237 (approx. 8.818490487395103e7)
< 1381645696 404458 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381645720 484646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia `frink 40 Gg -> pound
< 1381645720 630103 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1381645848 508816 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1381646336 247155 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381648380 944880 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381649671 6012 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, how many years should I renew my domain for
< 1381649682 644756 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can go up to 9
< 1381649764 816358 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381649894 935617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: I went for 3 because I got a discount on that
< 1381649915 965565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it matters much, though
< 1381649922 734137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so long as you know you're going to hold onto it
< 1381650233 186379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1381650265 575258 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up choosing 3 because it looks like it's a magic number, but I think the cost for me scales up proportionally
< 1381650389 995730 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I die and my domain expires shortly after, surely that will be sad, but I won't be around for it.
< 1381651649 587668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly what we need is for people to pay for the next period 3 years before the previous runs out.
< 1381651766 933864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1381652393 553359 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm losing my battle against sleep
< 1381652432 627213 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime Taneb
< 1381652432 963957 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Taneb is Sun Oct 13 09:20:33
< 1381652449 918824 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies
< 1381652465 214808 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been awake for ~24 hours
< 1381652513 69808 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you code and lose track of time?
< 1381652530 827663 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...er, jeez, it's 1:21AM here. when did that happen.
< 1381652566 517574 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAN party
< 1381652653 325213 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after about 4 years of thinking about doing so, I'm writing an HTML page about all of the projects I've done
< 1381652662 320127 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1381652668 351505 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, at least starting to. I think I've started to before.
< 1381652681 379019 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly a lot of technical reports that I have no reason not to publish.
< 1381652727 726695 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a bit against the point that I'm only starting to do this now that I'm gainfully employed.
< 1381653164 139331 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
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< 1381653260 898039 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381653681 348398 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah, partly in that sharing ideas is nicer when you have mostly-unstructured free time...)
< 1381654247 727857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time I see a polished sphere I get this urge to photograph it. (Cf. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131013-balls.jpg for example.)
< 1381654524 905000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131013-balls2.jpg and so on and so forth.
< 1381654679 108852 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha, balls
< 1381654750 380629 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1381654763 575186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if fizzie ever meets a disco ball we won't see him again.
< 1381654785 968038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I own a disco ball, yet here I am.
< 1381654814 576360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, you solved the problem by bringing it with you. fiendish.
< 1381654851 228392 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381654851 386951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what seems to be the problem.
< 1381654871 277301 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, i slightly haven't slept
< 1381654892 372721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic. we shall use the ancient and tried procedure for this.
< 1381654897 142836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: GO TO BED
< 1381654901 620292 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, NO
< 1381654913 546977 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bed's a mile away
< 1381654920 610415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the slight problem with the ancient and tried procedure.
< 1381654926 370375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: GO TO SLEEPING BAG
< 1381654929 799311 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'd need to cart my desktop over
< 1381654935 578146 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't bring one!
< 1381654944 238201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: YOU ARE A FOOL
< 1381654959 119914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO DOOMED
< 1381655004 915537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has vague memories of the local (tabletop) gamer's con.
< 1381655029 18808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of sleeping on mats, maybe.
< 1381655036 89295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: GO TO UNDER TABLE
< 1381655037 231936 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since my last sleep, I have consumed one bowl of cereal, one hot chocolate, one 500ml bottle of coca cola, one packet of crisps, and a lot of water
< 1381655050 509863 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, LATER
< 1381655066 29855 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I'm cold, hungry, overtired, and something else
< 1381655073 152096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smelly, perhaps?
< 1381655081 103699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i now also have vagure memories of the cuisine at the con. you might try a sausage if they have them.
< 1381655145 792609 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381655151 937327 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only consumables they provide seem to be a ridiculous high-energy slushy thing
< 1381655164 739172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also has vague memories of the second con where he gave up and went home to sleep.
< 1381655253 928586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my memory is too vague to tell whether i returned after sleeping or not.
< 1381655888 270667 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol you used to be such a nerd
< 1381655912 566759 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were you like at lan parties
< 1381655917 158359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still a nerd.
< 1381655926 470398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never went to a lan party that i can recall
< 1381655938 23370 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought gamer con was some kind of lan party
< 1381655963 51057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days it can be, which is why i added the "tabletop".
< 1381656019 678850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :these were board games and role playing games (which weren't computer games either).
< 1381656030 536272 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok i was not familiar with that term.
< 1381656036 384482 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it meant a computer.
< 1381656061 103769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's a *desk*top, obviously a completely different thing.
< 1381656064 48764 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1381656078 798624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just cannot win when people start stealing your terminology.
< 1381656107 241505 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what were you like at board game parties
< 1381656119 413468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tired.
< 1381656136 82220 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking beer bong & cocaine
< 1381656156 328716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to Ropecon (a tabletop-ish gamer con, though it's related things too) once or twice, and also have "fond" memories of the "cuisine". (Also haven't really been able to look at potato salad the same way since.)
< 1381656181 394753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :these were drug and alcohol free. they were trying to recruit youngsters to the club, after all.
< 1381656181 794543 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been to konklaavi, which i guess is turku's attempt at ropecon
< 1381656211 251079 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i played this board game where you program a robot
< 1381656218 187366 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381656218 634997 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i sucked)
< 1381656224 82363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :roborally?
< 1381656226 835052 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1381656243 283066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think i saw it played but never played myself)
< 1381656297 18997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: XD
< 1381656303 28894 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that was the only thing i played, i usually prefer watching
< 1381656355 352939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also I think I left some potato salad on a table with a "free to take (if you don't bring it back)" sign while sleeping somewhere nearby, and when I woke up, *someone had taken it*.
< 1381656382 208257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: worked perfectly then!
< 1381656433 809107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also had a Brockian Ultra-Cricket tournament there, because I tried sleeping in a plastic-tubing-duct-tape-and-foam canoe that someone had made for a weapon.
< 1381656440 67978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has an eerie premonition
< 1381656474 259324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, this year's con isn't until a month from now.
< 1381656556 881315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ropecon XX (20th time) this year was in late July. (Didn't go.)
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< 1381658586 192586 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, dorftime
< 1381658628 341627 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for dorfs
< 1381658645 412647 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad thing i'm way too stupid for military
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< 1381659151 611318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit Taneb, clear rooms of stone before furnishing them
< 1381659165 128755 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, dfhack fixes that apparently
< 1381659173 18910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't tried it myself though
< 1381659192 30614 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how that?
< 1381659207 377977 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfhack.makearmy()?
< 1381659245 303531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it does binary patches and stuff now
< 1381659249 756737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty cool
< 1381659268 190558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even makes the temperature system not half your FPS
< 1381659317 679350 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do people "get into" df these days
< 1381659345 9776 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :df gets into them
< 1381659418 889478 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-oh, i think i cooked all our plump helmets and most of the booze
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< 1381659621 377250 :Taneb!~Taneb@sns154-93.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1381660003 372339 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, a ranger is shooting at a carp out of some sense of dwarven triumphalism
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< 1381660208 191529 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it still doesn't work without X, though
< 1381660253 611638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, i could've sworn there was a windows version
< 1381660272 847022 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i don't do windows
< 1381660281 393295 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is, i'm playing df via ssh
< 1381660312 218767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :X goes over SSH just fine. (For some values of "just fine" that aren't very large for slow links.)
< 1381660329 781617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And there's things for that scenario too.)
< 1381660339 685217 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfhack works by adding hooks to libsdl though
< 1381660354 510016 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly that is my problem
< 1381660371 751525 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have to search for a good way of using it
< 1381660386 345709 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh, i use the liquids hack a lot
< 1381660447 558326 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo etc.
< 1381660470 643521 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't like pumping magma up all the way :(
< 1381660481 358402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elves!
< 1381660488 671888 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses, i don't have a military yet
< 1381660490 467797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I understand why adding hooks to libsdl would be incompatible with networksing the SDL output.
< 1381660506 184821 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i have a werebeast with no military :/
< 1381660538 649990 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: afaik dfhack forks itself into df to get the pid
< 1381660589 332268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I'm still not seeing how that's relevant.
< 1381660625 12104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course I don't know anything about dfhack, or df in general.)
< 1381660625 224572 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one may hack dfhack to make it work other ways, but afaik it doesn't work with networking right now
< 1381660775 854944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I just don't get it. If you have SDL library using an X backend, it ought to use the X server reached through $DISPLAY even if there's patches to the library, or it's started in some fancy way.
< 1381660791 670838 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the farms aren't producing any food for whatever reason
< 1381661080 826466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i bought a chimpanzee
< 1381661087 116066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope i can train it for war
< 1381661310 795511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I just started dfhack on my workstation at work some 6 kilometres away, and I don't understand anything of what's happining, but I did get a "DFHack is ready" in the console, and a SDL window with "Slaves to Armok: God of Blood" Chapter II title in it.
< 1381661347 10157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So as far as I can tell, it seems to be working just fine forwarded over a SSH connection. (Two, in fact, since the workstation in question isn't directly reachable from the outside; had to go through a shell server first.)
< 1381661405 105785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's typically forwarded-X laggy, and there's no sound because of "Dynamically loading the OpenAL library failed, disabling sound" and anyway networked sound is a bigger headache always, but other than that.)
< 1381661431 883274 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound in df consists of one music track playing on a loop
< 1381661468 23405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Forwarded-X laggy" meaning about one second between keypress and action in the title screen.
< 1381661501 279139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are things one can do to make forwarded X significantly faster that shouldn't make it any less likely to work.
< 1381661503 792289 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound doesn't matter
< 1381661529 154020 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well, there is soundsense
< 1381661537 595115 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never used it, though
< 1381661681 945706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even plain X can be borderline usable over a LAN connection, this was a VDSL2 link and through ten hops to the shell server, and four more to the workstation (different department).)
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< 1381661849 155575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :NX makes things faster though involves more setup, and there's the Xvnc approach (virtual-framebuffer X on the same box as the process + compressed VNC for the screen), and I seem to recall hearing about something NX-y except newer and better.
< 1381661909 564471 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd still prefer it just sitting in the terminal, but i guess it can't be helped
< 1381662148 623065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the usual "faster SSH" flags ("-C -c blowfish-cbc,arcfour" -- compression and faster encryption methods, if you dare) the input lag in the title screen drops to something like 0.2 seconds, maybe. (Hard to judge.) I've used programs with interfaces this slow locally.
< 1381662211 332507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Possibly the compression made more of a difference, I don't believe it's a CPU-bound thing at these link speeds.)
< 1381662360 98445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPU-bound and dwarf fortress are phrases which fit together nicely
< 1381662382 718589 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :D
< 1381662396 966682 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is one reason i don't want to play it on my netbook
< 1381662424 973419 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazingly in my last fort there wasn't any slowdown, at all
< 1381662439 167909 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure whether it's having a better laptop or dfhack or both, though
< 1381662463 294694 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i played a nanofortress once
< 1381662475 851779 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like "wow, this stuff actually can be fast"
< 1381662587 812952 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it were just for liquids, i might transfer the savegame and make that stuff locally
< 1381662597 88131 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't help withmilitary, though
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< 1381662717 993385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, military's just broken
< 1381662728 495511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right Xpra was the other fancy thing for slow-link X I was thinking of.
< 1381662791 521044 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the brokenness is not my personal main issue
< 1381662800 276080 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just too complicated for me
< 1381662814 553601 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is fine but military
< 1381662901 527728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that too
< 1381662974 913950 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that and textile industry tbh
< 1381663005 785964 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a fortress once that got completely destroyed by the clothing-for-happiness update
< 1381663013 682353 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm kinda traumatized since then
< 1381663336 530458 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :protip re textiles: goblins have clothes too
< 1381663354 55795 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but not very good ones
< 1381663424 920722 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the clothes dorfs migrate with aren't good either
< 1381663472 316570 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want my dorfs like i want my women: happy and drunk
< 1381664242 309434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK we now have an actual military
< 1381664248 103531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait taneb left
< 1381665017 62270 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm no expert on english pronunciation but i feel like it should be "dorvs"
< 1381665101 923132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how the two things you can make a backpack with are leather and adamantine
< 1381665532 937069 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
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< 1381673307 189859 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, do you want in
< 1381673320 440313 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt elliott'll be able to play
< 1381673356 80465 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :want what?
< 1381673364 257671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In."
< 1381673367 816690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fortress
< 1381673375 57276 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a succession game with two people currently
< 1381673375 652913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first hit is always free?
< 1381673387 425269 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt i will play it somewhere as good as you
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< 1381673428 545264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, it'll be just like having elliott back
< 1381673450 320772 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1381674265 27472 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheee, an ambush
< 1381674551 815046 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, if you want the save then i'll kill the ambush before handing it over, but i recommend setting up a hospital asap
< 1381674682 890448 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it just figures, the one dorf who dies has to be the expedition leader/manager/bookkeeper
< 1381674721 961216 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :always
< 1381674747 125977 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time i had an ambush and my leader was like "okay, i gotta go and watch what's happening there"
< 1381674971 522958 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck why is nobody going outside
< 1381674981 884489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i turned off the burrow and all
< 1381675011 294573 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the drawbridge is up
< 1381675028 526670 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might it be
< 1381675077 477866 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i producing no drink! why are hungry dorfs going straight for the plump helmets rather than the prepared meals!!!
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< 1381676207 590129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, http://www.filedropper.com/region3 if you're man enough
< 1381676261 482728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :*swoon* such a manly file
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< 1381677463 987898 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A rule I was thinking to use in Pokemon battle game is PP factor, which is 5 by default but you might play with a lower PP factor in case 5 is too easy.
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< 1381678327 688324 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well I guess that depends on the game mechanics
< 1381678345 958140 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall in the video games 5 was the lowest, and most attacks had 15 or 20
< 1381678357 643390 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1381678357 788842 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc said 1d 16h 40m 18s ago: the C-T thesis is about machines which can actually be built; it's easy enough to make mathematical models stronger than a Turing Machine
< 1381678433 700368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C-T boundary, on the other hand.
< 1381678504 708000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so it's actually K not C
< 1381678514 760490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they've just renamed T to Pg.
< 1381678587 841500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you can blame the Germans for the K, unsurprisingly.
< 1381678607 977259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really knew that. it's "Kritt" in norwegian.
< 1381678622 756181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which means "chalk")
< 1381678634 631181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: They are a multiple of five (or sometimes just one); this "PP factor" is the multipler to use in place of five (if set to zero, all attacks with have 1 PP)
< 1381678665 47466 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhh okay
< 1381678693 151464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Liitu(kausi) in Finnish, for some reason.
< 1381678847 448514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though limestone in general is "kalkki(kivi)", which I would assume comes from the same place as chalk.
< 1381678855 852487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably a lot of chalk was made at the time.
< 1381678948 348814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I was just wondering about the etymology of "liitu".
< 1381679019 962719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two generic Finnish dictionaries I have web-access to don't include etymology entries.
< 1381679225 401580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose "liitu" and "kritt" could also share roots, actually. (Also it's "kriit" in Estonian.)
< 1381679291 422489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can understand dropping a k, but why would the r turn into l, given that finnish has proper r.
< 1381679302 542935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps someone misheard.
< 1381679309 406990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's been borrowed via a language that doesn't have r
< 1381679331 895409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"From Swedish krita" says the Wiktionary of fi:liitu.
< 1381679367 55114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
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< 1381679415 34873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe finnish didn't have r until it started heavy borrowing?
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< 1381679461 893896 :Yogi_Bear!~Yogi_Bear@177.138.129.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invitation http://www.tatuuu.com.br
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< 1381679465 633158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've certainly not heard of that being the case.
< 1381679670 450906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proto-Uralic, according to Wikipedia, does have a trill /r/.
< 1381679817 633466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but has that been preserved as /r/ in finnish
< 1381679881 179858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in the single 'r'-containing example word the "Vocabulary" section of the Proto-Uralic article has.
< 1381680053 397182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about word-initially
< 1381680059 412829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other "kr"-starting Swedish examples that have a similar-sounding Finnish word I can think of generally have a 'r' left. Like krabba <=> rapu.
< 1381680083 607655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the etymology is just mistaken.
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< 1381680145 393365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or both k and r, like kris-kriisi.
< 1381680199 400290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably more is preserved the newer the loan
< 1381680433 998292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Finnish etymological database but I don't have access to it. There's also a freely available database of cross-references, which lists five book-and-page entries discussing "liitu", but of course not the contents.
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< 1381683990 476599 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a C library for cross-platform access of what is the directory where the executable program is stored and files that override ones in that directory? SDL 2 has some, but it isn't available in SDL 1 and uses UTF-8 rather than native filenames, and I want to use native filenames instead.
< 1381684430 648931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I wanted a cross-platform printing library so that I can just send ESC/P codes and it converts them and sends them to the printer.
< 1381684902 799576 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381690003 200656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know some cross-platform library to support printing with ESC/P codes so that I can use it with the Z-machine interpreter.
< 1381690192 803009 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381690735 732185 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://code.google.com/p/awib/
< 1381690809 236330 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NSFW source code)
< 1381690855 543198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSFW source code?
< 1381690892 195767 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The source code is arranged as ASCII art of a naked woman
< 1381691009 475045 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like give away chess puzzle? Do you like tsume shogi?
< 1381691126 888292 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1381691135 843466 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah gonna get off on this triangle of space characters
< 1381691137 669621 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx sgeo
< 1381691165 727136 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nsfw does not, to be fair, mean 'porn'
< 1381691444 248646 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, malware could probably be considered NSFW...
< 1381691447 664497 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :in at least one sense
< 1381691614 634801 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1381691833 246120 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381691849 693797 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I think Gregor did a great job on that new album. I really liked the face paint.
< 1381692098 783761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have two different ideas of making a text adventure game; do you like any of this?
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< 1381693423 520634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: What album is that?
< 1381693456 862319 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that's coming out on the 29th.
< 1381693460 381244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION assumes some gregorian chant
< 1381694235 533096 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should totally make some Racket language that makes Racket more like Tcl
< 1381694819 861486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the games is there is one starting room with many spell stones (like scrolls, but much more heavy), you have to pick a few and go through everywhere else and use that to your advantage and them come back, get new ones, go around again, until you have completed the game. Do you like this?
< 1381694909 287590 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may be playing it, but i won't write it
< 1381694918 789520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I write the game, not you
< 1381694929 730926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would also write the other game trilogy
< 1381695011 437233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For the other game that I didn't just describe now, that is why I was asking about DNA that goes the other way, and I study other scientific things)
< 1381695017 828205 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, personally i am looking for a game idea to realize
< 1381695026 541424 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have no creativity at all
< 1381695045 348432 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Using what system, do you expect? Is it DOS, Z-machine, C+SDL, etc?
< 1381695056 999957 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can provide some ideas
< 1381695102 804252 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'd prefer a pretty boring linux shell :p
< 1381695144 571087 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not understand very well what you wanted
< 1381695155 799700 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean you are going to write in shell scripts?
< 1381695184 105850 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, i want to write in rust with termbox or ncurses
< 1381695204 255593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is a text grid, do you mean?
< 1381695261 933409 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1381695310 881952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made various games using that in CGA Collection (some are graphical but most are text grid); will that give you any idea?
< 1381695330 680448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One of my ideas was to make a game based around the limitations of the Famicom, so that I can later put it in Famicom too)
< 1381695352 782360 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what limitations are you aiming at?
< 1381695393 53444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly the PPU limitations, where there are a limit of eight sprites per scanline and areas of 2x2 tiles sharing an attribute (palette).
< 1381695478 658267 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds interesting, but i'm not really a graphics guy
< 1381695492 922685 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have made a puzzle game based on these limitations. In the CGA Collection, it is called "ATTRZONE", and it does use text mode, not graphics mode.)
< 1381695530 5819 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i know the cga collection?
< 1381695531 982114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also make text adventure games (and even text grid games) using Z-machine; I have written the Frolg assembler and the Aimfiz and Fweep interpreters, if you want to use Z-machine.
< 1381695550 347617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Maybe; you can look if you want to at least: http://zzo38computer.org/GAMES/CGACOLL.ZIP
< 1381695604 986041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The interpreter Fweep can run in a text window/terminal emulator, although it doesn't support grid windows, colors, etc; Aimfiz is SDL and does support grid windows and colors and so on.)
< 1381695657 726364 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please use the gopher service
< 1381695661 964713 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :u can't be serious?
< 1381695705 919141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: What are you trying to access?
< 1381695707 41817 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but firefox dropped gopher-support a while ago :(
< 1381695711 374590 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your index
< 1381695722 870099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have an index; you have to access directly by the filenames.
< 1381695752 219885 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's behind the gopher?
< 1381695856 9642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is menus in gopher, although it is not quite complete. There are gopher clients (I have written two, one in shell scripts and one in VB6; there is also OverbiteFF to support gopher in Firefox). Probably you can just know the filename though you can access the file (even using wget or whatever; there aren't any webpages to navigate before finding the file to download)
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< 1381695898 989203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can also write your own gopher client; it is not difficult)
< 1381695953 981718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to download a file though you don't need it; you can download files over HTTP using wget or curl, or you can download files over gopher by something like "echo filename.zip | nc example.org 70 > filename.zip" or whatever.
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< 1381695990 391732 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you even use gopher?
< 1381696110 521913 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't use the stupid stuff of HTML and HTTP and that stuff; it also saves energy
< 1381696197 642618 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But most files are available on HTTP too, so if you have wget or whatever you can easily download these files in that way. (You can also download or view using a web browser)
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< 1381696488 405431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have other ideas for computer games though
< 1381696516 163117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, sokoban with strange geometry
< 1381696562 220767 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that needs lots of levels, though
< 1381696589 37564 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sokoban is "I give you the sum of each row and column and you find the numbers in each cell" right?
< 1381696618 126626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, the Z-Comp theme, which is this: Richardson fire // 2009-10 Leicester City F.C. season // Merciful to gibbering mouthers and the other monsters (pick one, two, or all three combined; that would be difficult)
< 1381696621 762453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: No.
< 1381696630 344461 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once played a wooden game kinda like that where there was a skycrapper in every cell and you could see the projection on very row and column
< 1381696646 978463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sokoban is push the blocks on the targets
< 1381696658 458624 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: that's part of simon tathams portable puzzle collection
< 1381696666 731064 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if one row has skycrappers of height 3, 4, 1, 2 and you're looking from the right, you only see that there is a height 2, and behind it a height 4
< 1381696685 348483 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/
< 1381696694 851306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: I have played a similar game except that it only tell you how many are visible, not their height
< 1381696702 605256 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"towers"
< 1381696705 858936 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay maybe that was it
< 1381696820 143803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Do you like any of these ideas I wrote now? I do have some others ideas too
< 1381696858 874024 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where there some i missed?
< 1381696890 997296 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sokoban may be interesting to play, but it would bore the shit out of me as a developer as i have to know all the levels already
< 1381696923 633182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea is some game that you have to prevent all of the magnets from touching each other; I am unsure how to make such a computer game though
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< 1381696966 656035 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1381697340 437590 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here are some other computer game ideas (some aren't mine, but most are): http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10081 See if that help you at something
< 1381697455 171644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Are these good?
< 1381697479 877903 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to read them first :D
< 1381697528 255001 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do you get all those ideas
< 1381697537 370896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know!
< 1381697579 567637 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do like "hoplite" for android
< 1381697598 799807 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a roguelike where moving into an opponent is NOT a method to attack
< 1381697609 737282 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that alone makes it very interesting
< 1381697641 25206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, OK, if you move into opponent what happens, is your path blocked, do you enter the same space, or what?
< 1381697688 526470 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's blocked
< 1381697711 239481 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you attack by either move from next to a monster to another tile next to it (it's hexa tiled)
< 1381697738 119449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I think I once made up a chess variant like that
< 1381697747 191393 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or moving in it's direction and sting
< 1381697772 860956 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or throw your lance (in which case you may not sting until you get it again)
< 1381697794 313713 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so every permanent way of attacking requires you to be able to move
< 1381697830 511132 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is understandable now
< 1381697843 111093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes it is a bit similar to some chess variant I once made (although it wasn't hex)
< 1381697881 481859 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nongnu.org/tong/ looks a bit like your third idea, even if it's not pinball
< 1381697891 916521 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hex is great
< 1381697944 384586 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i played some mix of minesweeper and dungeon ascending, very interesting idea
< 1381697945 941969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know Tong
< 1381698119 554533 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know chessrogue?
< 1381698136 801683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have played that too
< 1381698152 289501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, did you get that save btw
< 1381698158 469808 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no
< 1381698161 849440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have designed a roguelike called KING and someone reviewed it too
< 1381698445 547213 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you mean by "delayed by different amounts"?
< 1381698562 268076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know exactly
< 1381698746 276002 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 NICK :nooodl
< 1381698927 570311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, do you want the save
< 1381698962 37771 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm torn between "yes" and keeping the game alive
< 1381698971 314398 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really i think i'll have to go for "no" though :(
< 1381698983 53943 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should learn how to play df decently and then i could play in a couple of years!!
< 1381698993 133089 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(plot twist: irl years)
< 1381699004 822027 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really a plot twist
< 1381699005 161663 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get why people get so caught up on that, elliott was shit and he never let that stop him
< 1381699034 613913 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to have that can-do spirit that leads to the fort collapsing utterly because it ran out of booze for no good reason
< 1381699069 59021 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a working military system
< 1381699123 705064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also writing a roguelike called "Savant's Maze"; rooms may be generated overlapping and one of the terrain is windows that you can see through but not move through. I implemented data structures, line of sight, level generation, and a few others and then I can add the rest.
< 1381699151 935387 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way i left it the only thing the military needed was for steel armour to be made; they'd train and equip themselves on their own
< 1381699163 864438 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well also they need to heal after that ambush
< 1381699226 284178 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so if i get a virtual server thing to run shit on + stop annoying people by disconnecting who should i be renting from
< 1381699267 786558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like any other of my computer game ideas too?
< 1381699388 371818 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea of guarding something, but it's missing
< 1381699524 335853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I've used prgmr and tilaa so far, and both have been just fine.
< 1381699541 345909 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aight
< 1381699568 436750 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one could make a roguelike with some tourist exploring a dungeon on his own
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< 1381699625 773075 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anti-roguelikes
< 1381699656 827555 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you are rodney and have to stop an adventurer
< 1381699657 332070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: And esolangs.org is on linode, which is I think reasonably popular, if not quite the most "budget" option (though certainly also not the most expensive) out there.
< 1381699693 832238 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that warning about not getting phished is scary
< 1381699725 727560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had some nasty security issues a while back, but that could be a function of popularity too.
< 1381699743 675480 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i don't know what to do to avoid getting haxed.
< 1381699794 314487 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.67.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone use a personal wiki or something similar? I need something to help me organise some stuff...
< 1381699794 726481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Don't install Wordpress/Drupal/other-big-web-thing" seems to be a good step.
< 1381699808 647311 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: i used to use tiddlywiki
< 1381699811 18791 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: noted
< 1381699825 464523 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.67.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hike: thanks, searching now.
< 1381699849 93638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use DokuWiki.
< 1381699872 187620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's perhaps less "personal".
< 1381699887 916696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that people use it "for reals".
< 1381699899 868461 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiddlywiki is just one page with a shitload of javascript, nice and easy
< 1381699933 891672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for organizing stuff, there's of course good old venerable org-mode.
< 1381699980 845216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people[citation needed][who?][dubious - discuss] are very... ardent about org-mode.
< 1381700033 96438 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it [weasel words] more than [citation needed]
< 1381700047 326918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly.
< 1381700092 284049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And perhaps not very dubious, but I like how the "dubious-discuss" sounds.
< 1381700117 224500 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's good
< 1381700283 225993 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.67.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grrrr... wikipedia. "It is proposed that this article be deleted because of the following concern: Notability"
< 1381700511 151701 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :which article
< 1381700552 211103 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one
< 1381700597 32817 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia even deleted the subtitles for the modem dial-in sound :(
< 1381700629 860272 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, the image?
< 1381700705 229706 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1381700746 636382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/dial-up-handshake-infographic.png this thing
< 1381700762 192490 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1381700771 719852 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a dial-up modem sound
< 1381700778 984873 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it got subtitles
< 1381700788 694037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1381700789 836426 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "bow beep beep beep" and stuff
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< 1381707057 672093 :HegoDamask!51d93be0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.217.59.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all!
< 1381707068 415603 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1381707144 661010 :HegoDamask!51d93be0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.217.59.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am trying to solve a riddle where esoteric programming is involved, anybody willing to help me out with some really basic stuff?
< 1381707165 998735 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1381707202 955968 :HegoDamask!51d93be0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.217.59.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i have shakespeare prorgamming code, and it should give me some "hello world"-like program outputting 2 numbers.
< 1381707217 977226 :HegoDamask!51d93be0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.217.59.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dont know how to compile this kinda stuff
< 1381707241 27792 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the wiki page have any resources
< 1381707269 360009 :HegoDamask!51d93be0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.217.59.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i found the compiler software for linux, unfortunately i dont run on linux and have next to zero knowledge on using it
< 1381707296 802350 :HegoDamask!51d93be0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.217.59.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my english isnt exactly the best
< 1381707299 754262 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_
< 1381707343 826309 :HegoDamask!51d93be0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.217.59.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there compiler softare for windows?
< 1381707348 758788 :HegoDamask!51d93be0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.217.59.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :software
< 1381708318 204694 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381708627 324105 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is the code in?
< 1381708755 354977 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google esolang shakespeare
< 1381708756 327443 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Shakespeare
< 1381708756 472951 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Shakespeare - Esolang
< 1381709116 407273 :HegoDamask!51d93be0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.217.59.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah thats it
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< 1381718819 613335 :HegoDamask!51d93be0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.217.59.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to leave now i will try my luck again tomorrow, thanks anyways guys
< 1381718820 656715 :HegoDamask!51d93be0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.217.59.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bb
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< 1381729334 495823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The control scheme in the Apogee games "Pharaoh's Tomb" and "Arctic Adventure" is something I didn't see in other platformer games and is the control scheme I happen to prefer: left/right shift keys to move left/right, space jumps, and any of ZXCVBNM,./ shoots.
< 1381730005 426433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like someone is making a NES/Famicom game entirely in hex coding!!!!
< 1381731375 830408 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381732477 290109 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
< 1381733936 195239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"xmlset_roodkcableoj28840ybtide" :)
< 1381734256 26441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means what?
< 1381734387 827759 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> echo roodkcableoj28840ybtide | rev
< 1381734389 258213 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:30: parse error on input `|'
< 1381734395 776047 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo roodkcableoj28840ybtide | rev
< 1381734405 932277 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :editby04882joelbackdoor
< 1381734406 949112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDZhB 24 664 NAYeMNICA 34 21 29 93 priyom
< 1381734421 309050 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: O_O
< 1381734451 493787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know that wrinkle of it
< 1381734473 423479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if 04882 is joel's bank code
< 1381734533 401911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly a version control revision number.
< 1381734537 81769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("What version control?")
< 1381734553 594734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's a backdoor recently published in D-Link routers. It lets you access the web config interface if you give a HTTP User-Agent with that string.
< 1381734613 977907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently it's intended purpose is to let some tools on the router change settings.)
< 1381734672 110461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe an employee ID or something.
< 1381734683 878049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps Joel's user account is 04882joel.
< 1381734748 696618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the influence of illuminati numerology is obvious
< 1381734760 75001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most obvious in the fact that it doesn't contain any of the usual illuminati numbers
< 1381734799 207769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are usual illuminati numbers, and what does that have anything to do with it?
< 1381734807 98535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :17, 23, 5, etc
< 1381734830 178588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, little to nothing
< 1381734833 714946 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the illuminati wanted to hide their influence they wouldn't include any of the usual numbers. c'mon zzo get with it
< 1381734891 781257 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I suppose you are correct about that, but if you really want to hide your influence then, if the numbers happen to occur naturally anyways then you would use them anyways just because it goes that way
< 1381734913 446203 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the illuminati numbers are in it you know the illuminati did it.
< 1381734968 990724 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily.
< 1381734986 52424 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would the illuminati numbers be in it if not for the illuminati
< 1381735017 416645 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what they want you to think!
< 1381735046 991736 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was what they wanted me to think they would hav eput the numbers somewhere in the think but they didn't so they didn't.
< 1381735050 112250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently "NAYeMNICA" means "mercenary"
< 1381735075 772082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be funny if the numbers station codebook happened to pick 'mercenary' as the code word for 'mercenary' and they had to use it anyway because what zzo38 said
< 1381735101 47168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No, I mean *that* is what they want you to think.
< 1381735103 815545 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is how they broke enigma after all
< 1381735111 564114 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: right and that doesn't have any numbers in it
< 1381735156 622636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the CIA's CORONA satellites were done in by (coincidentally named) corona discharge
< 1381735173 407967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you mean the fact that it never mapped a letter to itself? yeah that was useful
< 1381735216 699042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno if you can attribute breaking enigma to that one thing though
< 1381735225 446032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the third reich HATES this 1 weird old trick for winning world war 2
< 1381735251 716080 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not, but i hav eto demonstrate that i know irrelevant facts about seventy year old ciphers somehow
< 1381735264 680520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think it needs to have numbers in it......
< 1381735275 872556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily.......
< 1381735281 571070 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the polish intelligence agency was reading enigma traffic before it was cool
< 1381735362 475855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Enigma Traffic" is probably a band name.
< 1381735406 403265 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there's a town called Enigma in georgia
< 1381735439 445084 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tell you this because googling "Enigma Traffic" will find you some lawyers for dealing with traffic tickets in this town
< 1381735498 681127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of those NSA code names are p. funny too. (EGOISTICALGIRAFFE?)
< 1381735515 107111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's missing a T.
< 1381735523 624855 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just what they want you to think.
< 1381735527 973351 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egotesticlegiraffe
< 1381735618 280058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading some Clancy novel "Way Back" -- hey, you go with what's available -- where they (people at CIA) called some guy downstairs for random names out of a random-name machine.
< 1381735624 442794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that you will misspell it
< 1381735657 634310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that's how it works for reals.
< 1381735669 424368 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was back in the seventies.
< 1381735702 88552 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sometimes.
< 1381735714 588211 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the codename for the FBI was "ODENVY" which sounds slightly less than coincidental.
< 1381735731 288002 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... ODYOKE for the US federal government, that's slightly terrifying.
< 1381735745 759205 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381735749 801764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ “That’s next.” Moore lifted his phone again and tapped in five numbers. “I need two words…Uh-huh, thank you.” He wrote a few things down. “Okay, gentlemen, you’re calling this Operation MANDOLIN. You, Ryan, are Magi. ]]
< 1381735751 347811 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about the ETA was LINCOLN though.
< 1381735773 153459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do it on purpose; they don't want other people to spell it correctly.
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< 1381735838 208291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is nice that I have some brainspace apparently permanently wasted storing the bit of information that the random word they got in a book I read 15-20 years ago was MANDOLIN.
< 1381735893 225422 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, mandolins are great.
< 1381736755 354558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All opponent's pokemon card are futile.
< 1381736915 450463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say so
< 1381737730 169021 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.67.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now a bit of my brainspace is wasted storing info about fizzie's random word! :-/
< 1381737746 821836 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.67.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, most of my brainspace is wasted :-)
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< 1381738184 622643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Another idea is some game that you have to prevent all of the magnets from touching each other; I am unsure how to make such a computer game though <-- tatham's collection also has a "magnets" game, although the point there is you can only touch + sides to - sides.
< 1381738251 467284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they're marked with + and - instead of N and S, for some reason.)
< 1381738741 349021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:33:00: Some people[citation needed][who?][dubious - discuss] are very... ardent about org-mode.
< 1381738744 335896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:33:53: isn't it [weasel words] more than [citation needed]
< 1381738761 346974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{who?}} is a weasel words template afair
< 1381738811 816743 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.67.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to check his favourite pages on Wikipedia
< 1381738879 104846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they decided to delete Irregular Webcomic! too :(
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< 1381747724 7908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym "Apple ][" hth
< 1381747741 466419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most unbalanced-parenthesisy of computers.
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< 1381750219 199904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Cutwail botnet is known as "0bulk Psyche Evolution" in the underground market."
< 1381750222 640965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds so sci-fi.
< 1381751047 438963 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had a cool botnet, I wouldn't call it Cutwail.
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< 1381751156 487108 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I audition for Iolanthe
< 1381751342 169136 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that
< 1381751421 587353 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An operetta about the queen of the fairies and the house of lords
< 1381751574 59973 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is it is about someone who is the queen of the fairies
< 1381751587 624922 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And her interactions with the British House of Lords
< 1381751592 690756 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a comedy
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< 1381757468 335490 :Yogi_Bear!~Yogi_Bear@187.10.52.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invitation < Only Development > http://www.tatuuu.com.br
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< 1381757519 534484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It keeps happening.
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< 1381757586 833990 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently so
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< 1381762268 152668 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's your opinion re. spam?
< 1381762268 536696 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: adding a language to be in boundary(a) if every neighbourhood about x contains at least an initial fnord of 40 fnord. internet expo on fnord. fnord
< 1381762287 597902 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
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< 1381768286 240176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that /whowas list was impressive
< 1381769382 173629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You sound just like a real mathematician.
< 1381769382 474668 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i know about windoz is less then 1/ 3; 2/ 7 then 1/ 2; 1/ 4 cup milk, 1/ 3
< 1381769389 199023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1381769412 317265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: mathematics isn't just arithmetic, you know
< 1381769412 675701 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whats that? sure :) i'll think about it. :) actually, i can't run my own mx with dreamhost, that's all
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< 1381771019 229551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131014-4679.png I can't figure out if it's *supposed* to look like that. Maybe it is.
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< 1381771120 973516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the graph snagged on the rotating database
< 1381771132 111803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder it cannot take the load
< 1381771183 816200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://ikeaordeath.com/
< 1381771205 629468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (924)
< 1381771210 56194 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (924): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly
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< 1381771217 738455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering about http://sprunge.us/hbUQ but I think it's just Skype futilely trying to punch through a NAT or something, based on the source address.
< 1381771348 529849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn it was so easy until i got "samspelt"
< 1381771366 868952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's the first word that was both genuine swedish and related to music)
< 1381771390 628594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got that right, though mostly accidentally.
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< 1381771398 666188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't really sound "heavy" enough to be the other.
< 1381771416 643377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lack" is the table i have, i think
< 1381771417 847473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knowing at least some Swedish probably makes it easier than not knowing.
< 1381771439 533481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LACK is a pretty popular series.
< 1381771459 28960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i also got "Von" wrong
< 1381771462 658070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not just a side table, there's also a TV stand and a wall shelf and whatnot.
< 1381771469 336667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 out of 20
< 1381771482 290910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had 17.
< 1381771490 720894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are a better IKEA.
< 1381771522 708843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was very unsure on that too. "Von" means hope in nynorsk, but also is an obvious german name prefix.
< 1381771539 406172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was not sure if it meant something in swedish.
< 1381771580 470854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were some others that i were nervous about, but they all went right
< 1381771585 109057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was
< 1381771602 323655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had more trouble in the start, then I got in the "groove" and just clicked.
< 1381771663 39521 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really just went with whether it's a valid swedish word
< 1381771742 547452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all IKEA names are exact valid Swedish words.
< 1381771787 641443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, some are place names from other parts of scandinavia
< 1381771828 856034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was in ikea last time i noticed "Hemnes", which is where my aunt used to live.
< 1381771864 267703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's some Finnish names in there.
< 1381771872 496364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :PELLO is a municipality in Finland.
< 1381771888 797757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though apparently there's one also on Sweden's side too.
< 1381771896 850616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, there was one in the quiz which i was nervous whether it could be a finnish place name, but i guess metal and was right.
< 1381771902 979895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Opposite to Pello, Finland across the river.)
< 1381771911 393341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*guessed
< 1381771921 589976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one was that?
< 1381771934 731963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i forget but it had a double vowel
< 1381771958 314995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAAKE?
< 1381771960 747108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1381771977 71882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's a place. It doesn't quite sound Finnish.
< 1381771977 546485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess that's not very good vowel harmony
< 1381771994 197221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's acceptable ('e' goes with front vowels too), but it feels somewhat off.
< 1381772000 325102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, so do some actual places too.
< 1381772077 959863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm it's probably the archaic spelling of no:tåke = en:fog
< 1381772108 35483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is related to that, according to the Wikipedia page of the metal band.
< 1381772128 286850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i found that
< 1381772207 227256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm not sure that "oe" for "ø" is proper archaic spelling :D
< 1381772239 640594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the band seems to use that a lot
< 1381772418 179290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We went through Ekenäs the other day, that's such a Swedish-speaking place.
< 1381772425 991588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The town is bilingual, with the majority being Swedish speakers (81%), and the minority Finnish speakers (17%)."
< 1381772452 279932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's worse (or better, I guess that depends on point of view) than Hanko even though geographi-logically speaking it should be the other way around.
< 1381772756 61818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, also.
< 1381772808 761847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131014-thing.jpg -- that was in Ekenäs. Can someone of you decipher what it means?
< 1381773009 738587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"now it's time to make a memory picture of your (still hot) summer ..." um
< 1381773036 776631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the words seems to make sense in itself, but I am unable to sort of comprehend the whole.
< 1381773038 692310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite sure how to translate jag. and then it gets worse.
< 1381773052 287985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1381773063 46932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's swedish, so "I" (or "Ego")
< 1381773090 608721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Comments from a native Swedishperson?
< 1381773105 710396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though this thing was put up by a Swedish-speaking Finn, which is quite another thing altogether.
< 1381773155 80623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the _overall_ gist is "Make sure to remember how your summer is, it'll make it easier to survive the winter."
< 1381773176 674316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's more or less what I got out of it too.
< 1381773182 604737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just ridiculously pompously technobabbly expanded :P
< 1381773231 363467 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"referenspunkter"
< 1381773232 32599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was next (nearly next) to a mini-golf course that had a "closed due to lack of players" on it.
< 1381773247 305257 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's got something to do about computer science
< 1381773255 649499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen__: that's "reference points"
< 1381773267 984898 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I take your word for it??
< 1381773272 871416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1381773278 975131 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.
< 1381773314 157583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Add the word "sign" to some suitable place in the preceding.)
< 1381773317 484601 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is that about global warming?
< 1381773343 560858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more about how winter is too cold up here. :p
< 1381773354 916713 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1381773375 939236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen__: no. it's about how in finland your general well-being and mood strongly varies according to season, and how to help that some. (this also applies to norway.)
< 1381773383 282650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See e.g. leftmost picture about the social wellbeing as a function of the season.
< 1381773403 550508 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhhhh
< 1381773411 324274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Winter is on the left side.)
< 1381773418 742740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what scale it's calibrated on.
< 1381773545 318638 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
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< 1381773597 597087 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears to be a 0-5 scale
< 1381773619 269338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No, the outer border has a value of 1, based on the <--> in the first image.
< 1381773622 576702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I note that in the last figure it goes briefly over 1, which doesn't sound necessarily all too good either.)
< 1381773645 633998 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also written in slightly archaic swedish .. but maybe that's just normal finnishswedish
< 1381773689 368120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's very normal.
< 1381773743 381657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131014-hatler.jpg
< 1381773780 987298 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aito perus?
< 1381773815 765870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think it's referring to "perussuomalaiset", our populist-nationalist party.
< 1381773839 29323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"True Finns", vaguely translated.
< 1381773861 238229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"perus" meaning mostly "basic, elementary" and so on.
< 1381773871 684834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And "aito" meaning "genuine, real".)
< 1381773931 416961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they're terribly popular in the region.
< 1381773975 554767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a couple days norway's populist-nationalist party (who like to deny they're as bad as those of some other countries) is getting into government.
< 1381773996 234960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be interesting.
< 1381774020 439075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish one got 19.05% of the vote in the parliamentary election of 2011.
< 1381774079 998863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they did not get into the government, though the negotiations were complicated, IIRC.
< 1381774167 963246 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381774185 921380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it took a long time (and six parties) to form it.
< 1381774226 845782 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381774247 939345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ours ended up with only two parties, but two others supporting it, and not joining because they don't want to be _too_ associated with the formerly mentioned populist party.
< 1381774249 348600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, their score in Ekenäs (corresponding to that overall 19.05% figure) was just 6.4%.
< 1381774333 279612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling Perussuomalaiset has been sort of slowly losing ground since that 19% win. Though it's not like I've been following any polls or anything.
< 1381774377 481385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :our parliament only has sev... no wait, the greens got their single representative. our parliament has eight parties.
< 1381774442 50827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we have a single green party representative in the UK parliament too
< 1381774444 586308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have 8. Plus the mandatory single representative from Åland, which I think is not in any of those.
< 1381774446 224712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is notable because it's FPTP
< 1381774451 572082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 parties, that is.
< 1381774452 168142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and getting as many as six of them to agree would be very unlikely.
< 1381774453 958419 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :House of Commons has 11
< 1381774466 47037 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus 5-9 independents
< 1381774471 999806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 representatives from the Green League.
< 1381774474 880902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fancy name.)
< 1381774475 156822 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it feels like our parliament has two parties
< 1381774476 867469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus, they had to put their best candidate into the constituency they thought had the best chance of winning, and campaign really massively
< 1381774480 92798 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sinn Fein as a rule don't take their seats
< 1381774482 886915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Down from 15 mostly due to Perussuomalaiset.
< 1381774502 298108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: they refuse to swear allegiance to the Queen, or something like that
< 1381774506 975241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're not allowed in
< 1381774514 363357 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, oi, i played another year of that fortress
< 1381774520 525554 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1381774534 676423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the allegiance requirement seems a little ridiculous, really
< 1381774538 30349 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, pass it to elliott, maybe?
< 1381774546 295221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :has he said he wants to ply
< 1381774547 765341 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*play
< 1381774557 755759 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, idk, but it's kind of traditional
< 1381774572 837380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the greens were _hoping_ for more, but they got slightly below the necessary cutoff to get fully proportional representation country-wide.
< 1381774583 950406 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott Can you tell Phantom_Hoover whether you want to join in this succession fortress?
< 1381774584 96195 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1381774632 396721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :without that, they have to win in a single county, which is not as hard as fptp but still much worse than getting above the cutoff.
< 1381774661 106994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait, not win, but get among that county's directly selected representatives)
< 1381774678 688346 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fptp?
< 1381774683 714819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the other parties made the cutoff, although some barely.
< 1381774694 898361 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: first past the post.
< 1381774700 205932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: first past the post, the system used in the UK and US.
< 1381774706 130725 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1381774715 343173 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the system usually results in a two-party system.
< 1381774797 969786 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I think the US uses an even stupider system, but I'm not sure
< 1381774825 837829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a set of 15 electoral districts too, and I think it's fully independent of all the other organizational hierarchies. (I believe it's more or less based on the old notion of "provinces", but those were reduced to six in 1997, and abolished entirely in 2010 and replaced with some other subdivisions, like the "regional state administrative agencies".)
< 1381774826 488561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the US's system is theoretically slightly better than the UK's, but the political makeup makes it work worse
< 1381774828 417915 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean te electoral college? that's just something before the fptp
< 1381774838 144849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm sure there is a good reason for all this.)
< 1381774867 911572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be noted that Austrialia has preference voting and is a strongly two-party country
< 1381774874 572098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so btw while we're talking about voting systems, i'm a bit confused by arrow's theorem
< 1381774877 982929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the US effectively elects three governmental bodies (congress, house of representatives, president)
< 1381774883 274093 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :preference voting may be necessary for third parties but it's not sufficient
< 1381774883 783390 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what about it?
< 1381774891 11567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each of which uses different weightings
< 1381774904 765197 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by "congress" do you mean the senate...?
< 1381774904 950926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i recall reading on wikipedia about the mess when the uk got their first openly atheist MP
< 1381774910 135707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes, probably
< 1381774920 644165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there was one condition that didn't seem very important
< 1381774921 167609 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because "congress" usually includes the representatives
< 1381774935 258971 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the tiebreaker thing?
< 1381774969 254493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, probably
< 1381774993 114162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the four conditions, IIRC, are "must be deterministic and always produce a result", "cannot just ignore most of the data", "removing votes from a candidate cannot hurt their chances", "if everyone prefers candidate A to candidate B, then candidate A beats candidate B"
< 1381775006 17800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and "at least three candidates"
< 1381775018 825338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPTP fails the fourth condition
< 1381775049 766850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I think I misworded the fourth condition
< 1381775052 985465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and we use D'Hondt for seat allocation here.
< 1381775055 539582 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and re the senate i think it's interesting that originally senators weren't popularly elected
< 1381775061 438904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, got it slightly wrong
< 1381775073 71850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm really upset that the House of Lords in the UK is being moved to being elected
< 1381775078 395092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I preferred it as hereditary
< 1381775086 557558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh... y
< 1381775088 878381 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a monarchist
< 1381775093 625496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hereditary Lords were generally too rich to bribe, and too apolitical to really bargain
< 1381775099 879738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, political bargaining, that is
< 1381775107 687348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elections are much easier to manipulate, as are MPs
< 1381775124 55282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the Lords were an important sanity check, and they can't actually pass any laws by themselves anyway
< 1381775134 202146 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can assure you that having a lot of money is no obstacle to wanting more money
< 1381775175 156840 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it does make the bribes seem smaller
< 1381775196 579501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also p. sure you can have a hereditary peerage and be broke
< 1381775271 140941 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also confused at your assertion that the landed gentry are apolitical
< 1381775285 944864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I'm really misinformed
< 1381775289 929155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be the first time
< 1381775336 371910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION applies some acetone to ais523's glasses to remove the rose paint
< 1381775375 291453 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i just checked and it looks like there's a hereditary peer in UKIP
< 1381775378 120882 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, lol fuck
< 1381775387 869204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, Finland had an electoral college for the presidential election from 1919 to 1988.
< 1381775401 393462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: given the conservative bias of the Lords, that's believable
< 1381775428 414200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UKIP are basically just beyond the Conservatives, to the right, with the /really/ objectionable parties beyond them
< 1381775444 782528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider UKIP mostly just deluded, rather than particularly evil
< 1381775458 31118 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UKIP's the party of people reading the newspaper and grumbling about things used to be better
< 1381775462 992027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1381775483 983113 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.157.255 QUIT :
< 1381775484 128559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also we had a single president for 1956-1982.)
< 1381775541 856347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… the UK doesn't have any term limits, but it's basically impossible to stay in parliament more than 2 terms (I think Tony Blair was the only person who ever managed it)
< 1381775559 285170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people normally get fed up of the Prime Minister pretty quickly
< 1381775568 881251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After nine political parties supported Kekkonen's candidacy [for his fourth term, after the third term had already been extended by a special law] in the 1978 Presidential election, including the Social Democratic, Centre and National Coalition parties, no serious rivals remained. He humiliated his opponents by not appearing in televised presidential debates and went on to win 259 out of the 300 electoral college votes, with his nearest rival, Raino West
< 1381775570 671436 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many terms was Thatcher?
< 1381775579 809752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a strange time, AIUI.
< 1381775586 526775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm norway had electoral college for electing _parliament_ until 1905
< 1381775599 898848 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, originally senators weren't hereditary, because AMERICA, they were just appointed by state representatives
< 1381775648 22087 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno how it got to being popular election actually, maybe that's an interesting story
< 1381775700 9158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"From December 1980 onwards, Kekkonen suffered from an undisclosed disease that appeared to affect his brain functions, sometimes leading to delusional thoughts. He had begun to suffer occasional brief memory lapses as early as the autumn of 1972, which became more frequent during the late 1970s." <- best choice for a president?
< 1381775735 656272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it worked for reagan
< 1381775750 737742 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1381775802 311938 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reagan wasn't alzheimeric until after his presidency, probably. completely in control of his faculties. just a shit.
< 1381775826 495875 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Thatcher managed three terms
< 1381775838 707037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hmm, right
< 1381775854 55631 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you go back farther, there are longer-serving PMs
< 1381775858 551705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also norway didn't get proportional voting until 1919, which was basically because the (then communist) labor party looked like it might get a majority under the old system.
< 1381775879 857048 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol :/
< 1381775929 501749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we have any term limits for any other offices than the president.
< 1381775955 398163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they managed to get a majority under the new one too, but not before turning anti-communist.
< 1381775968 609837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The aforementioned Kekkonen did four consecutive terms as the prime minister before going on to be president for all those years.
< 1381775983 465838 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are the Lords actually going to be elected, or is it more banging around the buck?
< 1381776008 869730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe that was less than four.
< 1381776013 168325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I think Labour wanted to make them elected, but they aren't in power at the moment
< 1381776021 791124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently the new ones are appointed, I think
< 1381776025 410117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the current government
< 1381776032 605610 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1381776071 884751 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :An elected Senate is being seriously contemplated here, but currently two different courts are trying to sort out whether or not that would even be legal without a constitutional amendment
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< 1381776090 635968 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm opposed; I like an appointed Senate for much the same reason you like your Lords
< 1381776107 474979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, appointed seems better than electing both chambers
< 1381776117 95276 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would rather abolition than election
< 1381776128 880479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, using the same mechanism for every chamber tends to be a bad idea because there are no real distinctions between them
< 1381776137 596817 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1381776139 805574 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: USA
< 1381776164 105471 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do lack the safety valve of flooding the Senate as can be done with the Lords, but this hasn't been a practical problem because the Senate has never stood in the way of a budget like happened in 1910
< 1381776188 562553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: my brain's insisting on interpreting that "flooding" as literally filling the building with water
< 1381776206 633168 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not be opposed to making the Senate's veto on appropriations bills merely suspensory, but it should remain absolute on other legislation because otherwise it becomes toothless like the modern Lords
< 1381776207 563702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :until a few years ago, norway had the ridiculous system of dividing the parliament into two chambers _after_ election.
< 1381776218 505839 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: haha what
< 1381776226 106152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, the current Finnish six-party government seems to have a party cardinality (is that a term?) equal to the maximum in Finnish history; and the previous six-party one was back in 1945.
< 1381776231 49362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the situation in the US, anyway, appears to be that the budget has a majority in every chamber but in one of them, the Speaker refuses to allow it to be debated on
< 1381776271 830009 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's some informal rule int he Republican party that nothing goes forth to the chamber unless it is supported by a majority of the Republican caucus
< 1381776274 808470 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in the
< 1381776287 178681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the members were elected unitedly, but divided themselves into Lagting and Odelsting, with different responsibilities. (There were also plenal sessions.)
< 1381776288 17018 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is plain dumb stupid and it amazes me that the Speaker has that much control
< 1381776319 854128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well it'd work in Guild Council, if the Independent Chairs refused to allow something on the schedule, it'd require a 2/3 majority to overturn that
< 1381776340 381946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the Republicans easily control 1/3 of any chamber they want to, apart from the President
< 1381776360 492962 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the assemblies I've participated in feature the assumption that every member has a right to bring something forth for consideration
< 1381776390 77308 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only slight exception to that is the Senate of the University, where a bylaw amendment must be approved to be placed on the agenda by the Executive Committee, but any member of that committee has a right to bring something forth
< 1381776392 585720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here, they're not supposed to unilaterally bar things from the agenda
< 1381776420 776063 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a hard rule though; even if something is left off the agenda, there is always opportunity to bring it forward under new business
< 1381776423 221898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just need a proposer and a seconder to get them to add things, who don't even need voting rights (they can just be consituents)
< 1381776517 750366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LDC (Linguistic Data Consortium, an "open consortium" hosted by University of Pennsylvania) is not answering my emails; I was wondering if this could be blamed on your shutdown too somehow. (I guess not, since it's a private university, and it'd be a state thing anyway.)
< 1381776534 934216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, imagine if it only needed two constituents to introduce a bill in the UK parliament
< 1381776579 402264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381776724 177999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I think it's a bit confusing that there's a private University of Pennsylvania and a public Pennsylvania State University; and I think quite a lot of similar pairings.)
< 1381776792 98104 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i attend washington state university. there is a university of washington which is also public. there is also a private Washington University on the other side of the country.
< 1381776794 653652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to recall washington university and university of washington were different entities
< 1381776796 531658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's bad enough talking about the University of Birmingham to people when there's also a Birmingham City University, and Aston University which many people know is in Birmingham (and might assume would be referred to as Birmingham University colloquially)
< 1381776799 359430 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, wow you've had a tumblr for like a whole year now
< 1381776813 838273 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ur welcome
< 1381776820 884866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: thx
< 1381776857 497317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spent a half year at UofW in 1996
< 1381776865 890726 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny story, this state was going to be called Columbia but they thought that would get confusing what with the district of columbia.
< 1381776871 822161 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1381776880 602249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Admittedly Aalto University (where I work) used to be the Helsinki University of Technology in English, and it *was* occasionally confused with University of Helsinki. (The Finnish names were completely different.)
< 1381776901 633229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well people mostly aren't confused about the difference between Washington state and Washington DC
< 1381776909 505031 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i can assure you that they are.
< 1381776915 726461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1381776928 629212 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we sell t shirts joking about it.
< 1381776941 963002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is that why the canadian one has "british" in front
< 1381776943 218092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, New York city and New York state are quite easy to confuse
< 1381776954 611736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to having identical names and being in much the same physical location
< 1381776972 451632 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think so, yeah. adding to this problem, i'm originally from a city called Vancouver.
< 1381776984 869484 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not "originally" but whatever
< 1381776985 878417 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381776999 855655 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, one of my friends thought that Washington was in British Columbia
< 1381777006 939733 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1381777015 906410 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i usually call NYC "NYC" now, seems to work ok
< 1381777016 550929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where i lived before, for a while someone had put up a large map of british columbia on the wall
< 1381777035 142469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any particular reason?
< 1381777045 466181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how many people think British Columbia is in the UK
< 1381777057 181764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well someone had, and for a while after they left it staid there)
< 1381777062 548453 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"well it is in the commonwealth, right"
< 1381777084 383637 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's somewhere around Colombia, right?
< 1381777093 861895 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381777097 834798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know who put it there. i'm not quite sure if it was there already when i moved in.
< 1381777102 915053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Or in South America.
< 1381777116 186440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I missed olsner doing that alraedy.
< 1381777121 841913 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: british columbia was probably wherever it was before you moved in
< 1381777128 716366 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the colombia thing comes up too. i may have lived in the most ambiguously named part of the country
< 1381777153 197837 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vancouver (not BC), washington (not DC), on the columbia (not colombia, not british)
< 1381777162 366668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Wikipedia's Columbia disambiguation page. "Not to be confused with Colombia (disambiguation) or Colombia."
< 1381777205 653060 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i've ever actually been to BC. it seems like a nice enough place but i only know it from twin peaks and a HRW report
< 1381777214 46501 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there used to be a United States of Colombia too
< 1381777222 819512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the map, olsner.
< 1381777238 702290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: And the prehistoric supercontinent of Columbia, I'm sure people confuse it with that a lot too.
< 1381777243 513631 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well mexico is the United States of Mexico but nobody seems to mind.
< 1381777271 837471 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1381777301 554373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :laurentia forever!
< 1381777302 323116 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :people get way more antsy about "america" being used to refer to the US. which makes sense imo.
< 1381777310 83489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :United States of Mexico and New Mexico of United States.
< 1381777319 220205 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: could you explain to me again how Real Fast Nora'Hair programs are applied to their input? since input is text, but functions are lambda abstractions
< 1381777355 630487 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen__, the input is first transformed into a stream of bits
< 1381777400 817569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stream of bytes, actually
< 1381777402 980383 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then:
< 1381777423 721987 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, thank you
< 1381777439 253682 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, it transforms each byte into its church numeral representation
< 1381777441 62012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't forget the step of thanking oerjan, it's crucial.
< 1381777453 623766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 924
< 1381777456 746681 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 924: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly
< 1381777462 874702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i _did_ make the interpreter, and steal Lazy K's IO model.
< 1381777470 481564 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thank you
< 1381777488 801269 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, convert = APPLY APPLY LAMBDA ZERO [next byte of input] [convert(remainder of input)]
< 1381777544 516275 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general, I think oerjan knows my two halfway decent languages better than I do
< 1381777607 415772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain insisted on parsing "APPLY APPLY LAMBDA ZERO" as a Unicode character name
< 1381777607 841150 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1381777617 902342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode APPLY APPLY LAMBDA ZERO
< 1381777620 166929 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character.
< 1381777685 377178 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download, the language where EVERY program is a unicode character
< 1381777687 697432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unicode 'FUNCTION APPLICATION' 'FUNCTION APPLICATION' 'GREEK CAPITAL LETTER LAMDA' 'DIGIT ZERO' # close approximation
< 1381777689 664034 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Λ0
< 1381777712 565623 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381777713 41022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, the function application cannot be seen.
< 1381777713 936342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait Taneb had stolen the IO model already.
< 1381777818 961899 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, when I was writing it, my mind was going "Hmm, what's a bit like this but with IO? I know! Lazy K!"
< 1381778134 958228 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-192.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381778181 223957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hm actually in irssi i see the function application by missing the previous space.
< 1381778249 721676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You see DEAD PEOPLE.
< 1381778272 255026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode SHAVIAN LETTER DEAD
< 1381778274 140423 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :𐑛
< 1381778292 684072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dead look strangely square to me
< 1381778293 242771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode BAMUM LETTER PHASE-E PA PEOPLE
< 1381778295 31196 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character.
< 1381778305 241410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: That is so a real character, you charlatan.
< 1381778327 969304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody ought to update UnicodeData in that thing.
< 1381778386 148220 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode MULTI-OCULAR O
< 1381778387 568945 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character.
< 1381778390 297787 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode MULTIOCULAR O
< 1381778391 866336 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character.
< 1381778394 248869 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1381778395 520975 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it like
< 1381778416 684283 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O
< 1381778417 947927 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙮ
< 1381778429 359407 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to PHOENICIAN LETTER MULTIOCULAR O, probably
< 1381778430 697370 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1381778435 975099 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste bin/unicode
< 1381778438 461606 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/unicode
< 1381778455 917091 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's a python module for that? That's handy
< 1381778487 701516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The connection attempts to port 4679 (from a random Finnish DSL IP) continue on even though there's no Skypes open here any longer. I wonder what on earth is up with that. There's a new try every six seconds, always to the same destination port. For hours and hours. And there's no conntrack entries related to that IP.
< 1381778542 652588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone's trying to get out a "HELP I'M TRAPPED IN A SKYPE FACTORY"
< 1381778585 366658 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's the ghost of fungot, trying to reunite with the bot of fungot
< 1381778585 692383 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: and because the only common aspect of all those bp pics where i have to wear glasses manage to find them. but that wasn't right.
< 1381778604 331762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you know anything about this?
< 1381778604 650388 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what do you see how such artificial restrictions can help in learning. use what you want
< 1381778610 898310 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to imagine fungot with glasses
< 1381778611 131713 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: anyone know a fast algorithm in c ( in guile) to register funcs to be called
< 1381778615 682889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Stop being cryptic and answer the question.
< 1381778615 954561 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: " the replacement may contain the special character to refer to one symbol with two different formattings ( fnord that can be translated to
< 1381778814 867753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You were here when I `olisted. :-(
< 1381778845 176306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah but I wasn't reading
< 1381778855 152970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, I dumped what it tries to say with netcat, and it seems it actually is just some worm propagation attempt.
< 1381778866 561847 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381778867 98546 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice!
< 1381778868 894256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Maybe we should add you to `olist so that you get notified, then?
< 1381778875 220244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no
< 1381778877 841005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "GET /product.xml HTTP/1.0" request to port 4679.
< 1381778879 751524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise I get notified for no reason and it's annoying.
< 1381778894 270022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't /want/ to be notified
< 1381778901 258955 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1381778901 404513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just remove yourself from the list if you don't want to be notified
< 1381778909 657026 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this more idiotic list etiquette
< 1381778913 94315 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, lemme fix:
< 1381778916 325672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so why are you `olisting yourself?
< 1381778921 342012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to get notified once per update.
< 1381778922 699926 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always more idiotic list etiquette
< 1381778922 939693 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/*list
< 1381778924 222546 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `bin/*list': No such file or directory
< 1381778931 650611 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1381778945 174007 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm bin/*list
< 1381778949 499996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone's just going to revert that, it's not like it'd accomplish anything.
< 1381778949 824201 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1381778952 154462 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :now get a fucking rss reader
< 1381778965 825589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's a HackEgo edit war all over again.
< 1381779013 927667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric
< 1381779033 247960 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel has the most amazing drama
< 1381779043 178538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some very strange values of "amazing".
< 1381779047 406409 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :does shachaf just make a hobby of becoming pointlessly forceful about things
< 1381779057 625188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think Bike's amazed that it's a drama
< 1381779068 813047 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem now is that i have deleted bin/list, and i like bin/list
< 1381779081 473699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Admittedly I'd've expected some sort of a comedy too.
< 1381779091 984347 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm very good at finding comedy in stupid shit don't worry
< 1381779136 679468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess my problem with the lists is that their intended function seems to be to notify people to not update the lists
< 1381779165 525626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's anything unclear with their intended function.
< 1381779183 413881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether they work well or not.
< 1381779274 471334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it sounds reasonably reasonable (as far as anything in the list universe can be reasonable) that the people paying any attention to them and the people invoking them would be the same set.
< 1381779304 630442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well in that case the lists would never be used
< 1381779307 798292 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381779315 827275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're relying on the lists to let you know when the comic's available
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< 1381779321 558718 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu NICK :Bike
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< 1381779327 987441 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess my problem with the lists is that their intended function seems to be to notify people to not update the lists
< 1381779328 133422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd never check the comic to be able to announce the lists
< 1381779345 476220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: People on the lists seem to be entirely capable of using them themselves.
< 1381779348 140974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, the set of people who benefit from the notification, and the set of people who /provide/ the notification, should be disjoint
< 1381779367 529518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: more to the point, I noticed that the discussion thread was only on page 5
< 1381779372 655634 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :my problem with the lists is that they are THE STUPIDEST THING EVER and yet a handful of people have latched onto them out of contrarianism or blissful naivete
< 1381779376 981478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that the comic was probably pretty new
< 1381779389 565778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: what about `list? that was the stupidest thing ever /intentionally/
< 1381779407 335162 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : the problem now is that i have deleted bin/list, and i like bin/list
< 1381779427 793239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And they work just fine even if the sets are identical; then it's just a "you can do your semirandom poll of this comic right now" shortcut mechanism.
< 1381779435 158397 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to point out, as a neutral observer, that you are all terrible and stop stifling my ree speech
< 1381779450 322386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: oh right, missed that first time
< 1381779457 79292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean, if you wanted efficiency out of it, you'd probably be using that RSS reader or whatnot.
< 1381779470 618185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in my case, I don't want to read it at work
< 1381779481 143310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I tend to check it whenever I'm bored and can read it
< 1381779485 237602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to wanting to read it instantly
< 1381779492 92211 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, I find slist useful sometimes
< 1381779508 590025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be quite simple just to opt out of the whole list mechanism then, instead of willfully adding multiplicate listings.
< 1381779512 398094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? slist
< 1381779514 834484 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update notification for the webcomic Homestuck.
< 1381779532 750210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right, I thought I was being useful via adding listings, though
< 1381779546 119315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think well-meaning people could disagree on that.
< 1381779552 236104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On the third hand, it's all very stupid.)
< 1381779608 27463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess my problem is that I don't see the circumstances under which the list would ever be listed
< 1381779633 486087 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not have an emoticon to show my current expression
< 1381779670 806532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then don't use one
< 1381779718 534375 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :way ahead of you
< 1381779727 751074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think that's because you think people either (a) poll/feed the comic with some other mechanism and do not look at listings, or (b) never poll the comic independently and only look at it when it gets listed, while the "in-practice" scenario is (c) that all/most people on the list poll the comic at semirandom intervals anyway, and the list just shortcuts that by notifying the involved people, and thereby shortens the mean lag between update and se
< 1381779741 679681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and seeing it.
< 1381779746 360212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where's my splitlong.pl again?)
< 1381779752 944369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, right
< 1381779778 714189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm certainly no list expert, I'm not even on any; that's just the sort of feeling I've gotten from observing it.
< 1381779840 3546 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are we even discussing lists?
< 1381779913 941632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: shachaf just ragequit the channel over them
< 1381779944 748321 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too synthetic to be called 'rage'
< 1381780001 440984 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the list a list of again?
< 1381780016 740184 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who have used `list
< 1381780043 658959 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that doesn't sound entirely useful
< 1381780065 6826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie's (c) fits me, anyway :P
< 1381780138 726780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1381780142 988717 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1381780196 932254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if ais523 is assuming people are predictable.
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< 1381780432 273920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't "ragequit" the channel.
< 1381780446 502385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just stumbled.
< 1381780449 924418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I joined the channel in the first place to talk to kmc, and he wasn't here anyway.
< 1381780496 182235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I built rust and that's kmc's fault entirely.
< 1381780497 626988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I was mostly idling in the channel. But then people started mentioning my name without actually communicating anything to me. So I left.
< 1381780503 464092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Still missing a project.)
< 1381780538 368922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what it's worth, I only thought to check `olist after joining the channel. And I checked the logs before saying it, to make sure I wouldn't be double-notifying people.
< 1381780590 629122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, fizzie's (c) is correct.
< 1381780625 631830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric
< 1381780715 812043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, I don't win anything.
< 1381780753 512839 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :manual polling is so web 1.0, subscribe to the feed already
< 1381780795 57611 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list
< 1381780795 842055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once subscribed to the feed and it somehow broke horribly, reshowing me old comics all the time.
< 1381780802 385155 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 atriq Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot HackEgo metasepia mnoqy monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover Phantom__Hoover pikhq quintopia Roujo Sgeo SgeoBot shikhin SUPREME_BUTT_SUI Taneb
< 1381780820 901337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was before the lists.
< 1381780882 708161 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :proudly not on the list
< 1381780897 968403 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like being on the list would be annoying
< 1381780905 884908 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hurts my pride.
< 1381780923 981602 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious how fungot and HackEgo came to be on the list
< 1381780924 198760 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: because 2.6 or even 2.4 is too large
< 1381780931 983957 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course.
< 1381780936 728618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: people telling them to `echo or whatever
< 1381780946 701656 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the bots around here had blacklists for other bots
< 1381780956 791140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Also the listification mechanism had some bugs.
< 1381780965 969033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Picking "most-recent" and not "most-recent-lister".
< 1381780973 566465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not any more
< 1381780977 14827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list now checks the logs
< 1381780978 948148 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 atriq Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot HackEgo metasepia mnoqy monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover Phantom__Hoover pikhq quintopia Roujo Sgeo SgeoBot shikhin SUPREME_BUTT_SUI Taneb
< 1381780994 790694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it checked them wrong. Some of those could be carryovers.
< 1381781004 516191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I think it greps the logs every time
< 1381781007 538068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/list
< 1381781008 546519 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ grep '^..:..:..: <[^>]*> `list' /var/irclogs/_esoteric/201[3-9]-??-??.txt | sed 's/^.*/;s/>.*//;s/_*$//' | sort -u | tr '\n' ' '
< 1381781024 799173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, *now*.
< 1381781031 144104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that fixes FireFly's issue, too; `list works even if HackEgo doesn't see the original `list
< 1381781082 407970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and glogbot doesn't have an ignore list
< 1381781095 317274 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, good point
< 1381781102 87622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a plain "tail -1" before that grep was added.
< 1381781102 711042 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1381781108 519123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the names weren't reset when it was, is my point.
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< 1381781137 622756 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so there is no way to get off the list once you're on it?
< 1381781156 866348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Just the obvious manual sed ways.
< 1381781170 772838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though if you do it wrong, drama may ensue.
< 1381781199 359900 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean something like edit all your `lists out of the irclogs?
< 1381781227 677973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could edit bin/list to contain an exception for you
< 1381781248 996113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, *that's* what you meant by "every time", I'm just too slow.
< 1381781291 149658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think that will eventually get too slow.
< 1381781297 554094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind-of slow now
< 1381781304 644236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's that year limit.
< 1381781311 621666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other way would be to modify it in the client-side
< 1381781337 849972 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which in some cases may be preferable (but not necessarily all cases)
< 1381781338 212824 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't really remove you from the list
< 1381781796 491803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The port-4679 hammering still continues, even though I accepted one connection to slurp out what it was trying to say.
< 1381781799 495602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it really is some sort of a worm propagation attempt, it seems ridiculously ineffective.
< 1381781935 155146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :4679 *is* listed as "MGE UPS Supervision" service, and there's some references to "http://connectups-1713ae.domain.com:4679/product.xml" in the webs re UPS management, so it sounds like a reasonable assumption it's trying to find vulnerable UPSes.
< 1381781946 597977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it keeps trying this same IP over and over again.
< 1381781968 250278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone has typed an IP address wrong somewhere.
< 1381782461 316829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried to connect to source:80 in case it's someone I could contact, but a GET / got a "HTTP/1.0 501 Not Implemented" and a malformed request got some incomprehensible jumble of bytes.
< 1381782485 104844 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a teapot
< 1381782505 921864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be.
< 1381782527 185300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not seeing any particular patterns in the returned bytes.
< 1381782619 966278 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird combination of things to send though... a well-formed HTTP response in some cases and random binary data in other cases
< 1381782655 991400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the HTTP response is just to discourage HTTP clients, since whatever it is for reals, it *is* in port 80.
< 1381782668 965282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the random binary data would be for the actual functionality, which I'm less sure of.
< 1381782680 57275 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the binary data is just gzipped or something
< 1381782696 811593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have any headers according to 'file', so it's not a gzip stream.
< 1381782706 906914 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :deflate then?
< 1381782707 255757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it wouldn't notice a raw DEFLATE stream, though.
< 1381782714 486560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could check that out.
< 1381782727 8628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it comes to general portscans, I sometimes wonder if I should email the abuse@ address in the WHOIS, but this is so bizarre.
< 1381782737 441035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then again, at the ISP they'd at least know which customer it is.)
< 1381782840 745809 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if wireshark is good at autodetecting protocols
< 1381782977 870740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just said "Continuation or non-HTTP traffic" about it.
< 1381782993 718903 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it assumes HTTP due to being on port 80
< 1381782999 507086 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-121.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1381783013 170036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess so; the overall label is HTTP, and I don't know how to tell it to ignore that and re-autodetect.
< 1381783083 480045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a "decode as", but that's no help.
< 1381783102 914195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can apparently disable the HTTP decoder.
< 1381783125 684855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case it's just "TCP".
< 1381783138 451775 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't "decode as" the one that lets you select which protocol decoder(s) to use?
< 1381783141 479421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1381783161 676933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, it lets you select a decoder, as far as I could tell. Maybe I didn't look at it too closely.
< 1381783186 585052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1381783186 730553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, disabling HTTP just got plain TCP, so I'd guess it doesn't autodetect anything sensible out of it.
< 1381783375 807504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :More news: the source has port 4679 open too, and replies to a GET /protocol.xml HTTP/1.0 (the thing it sends out) with a |
< 1381783381 960156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP/1.0 404 Not Found.
< 1381783393 272545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Error 404 - File read error"
< 1381783413 543485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: any idea why people keep on asking my web server for pages on other sites?
< 1381783426 223405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of attempt to exploit a vulnerability?
< 1381783501 492802 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like trying to use you as a proxy
< 1381783531 412182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Most likely guess, yes.
< 1381783531 574532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, GET / on port 4679 gives a long web page built entirely out of and and lots of javascript.
< 1381783531 720415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that should be enough to identify the device.
< 1381783531 720584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the /product.xml request it was trying to *send* has an User-Agent of Emc2.)
< 1381783533 959218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my serve responds by ignoring the domain and trying to find a page at the same path
< 1381783560 965485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd need some sort of a throwaway VM to look at this thing in a browser, and I don't have one set up. :/
< 1381783621 660067 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :EMC could refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMC_Corporation
< 1381783646 256708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I send it the exact same request it's trying to send to me (also for /product.xml but with proper User-Agent and so on) it replies back with .
< 1381783696 569410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Intelligent Power® Manager Software - Eaton’s Intelligent Power Manager software enables you to --"
< 1381783716 607122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's what it is, and it's trying to connect to an UPS.
< 1381783733 990139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some other sort of a power-related sensor.
< 1381783763 803373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I *should* in fact email abuse@ then; they could email the customer in question.
< 1381783772 805675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's a regular home dialup, as far as I can tell.
< 1381783886 563297 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1381783963 281387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure they don't have anything better to do.
< 1381784097 84893 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god this anime is hilarious
< 1381784284 56081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :highly implausible, unless you're laughing at it
< 1381784322 976970 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I actually have been laughing at it
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< 1381784340 918965 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a good way or a bad way
< 1381784342 760876 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about a dark lord who finds himself in Tokyo without his magic powers
< 1381784355 78580 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He winds up working at McDonalds to make ends meet
< 1381784357 682609 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy, a good way
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< 1381784405 468088 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is laughing at it as opposed to laughing with it
< 1381784423 904702 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1381784426 777255 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's laughing with it
< 1381784439 121772 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just said at because I never really liked the phrase "laughing with it"
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< 1381784679 972878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't normally monitor incoming-but-dropped connections at all closely; it's kind of a funny coincidence that the one time I do, I get a nice puzzle like the current one.
< 1381784718 71341 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're actually all like that
< 1381784773 786954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I did it also during the day at work, and nothing seemed to be happening, except for some showers of SSH port knocking and a few Microsoft SQL server connection attempts. Certainly nothing sustained like this.
< 1381784852 128764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Those are still going on, interspersed with the UPS guy.)
< 1381784933 229007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSSQL from "CHINANET jiangsu province network", telnet probes from Turkey, Lithuania, Slovakia; that's all very boring.
< 1381784990 464266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, the UPS guy stopped.
< 1381785018 862977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if the abuse@ email had something to do with it.
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< 1381785180 755069 :snuffeluffegus!~banana@rrcs-98-101-186-162.midsouth.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381785228 205065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also a quick poke backwards didn't seem to reach the source at all. Hope they didn't *disconnect* him/her/it; that seems a bit drastic.)
< 1381785278 373322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Networks: they so funny.
< 1381785426 511780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1381785428 33625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hack back
< 1381785679 54782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the abuse folks might have a "disconnect first, ask questions later" policy. Or else the timing was just coincidental. (The connection attempts stopped about five minutes after sending the email.)
< 1381785806 452932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly even a "disconnect first [based on email subject line], read complaints later" policy.
< 1381786040 618940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Dungeons&Dragons game, I have to do some prepare (including to ask things of the kingdom) before continuing on the next quest. I have some ideas; tell me if you think I missed something? * Ask for a spare space on a shelf to store my books and stuff I don't need to carry to there * Request a boat or boat ticket * Summon a familiar * Study the Calimsham some more * Find religious ties in Church of Gxxyuxihuvxi in both cities * Try to
< 1381786059 128671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did this message get cut off? There should be seven asterisks.
< 1381786136 304214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ends in "*Try to".
< 1381786147 183074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Try to ask father's friend if he is a speaker in dreams * Get the Calimsham advisor and others who may need to come
< 1381786151 267651 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, I fixed it.
< 1381786199 375934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What things did I miss?
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< 1381787074 436003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '($x, $y, $z) = ("inf", +"inf", 0+"inf"); $x++; $y++; $z++; print "$x $y $z";' # nasty?
< 1381787076 223833 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ing ing inf
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< 1381787419 692216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think that is understandable to me. Why are you using this now?
< 1381787464 845571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not, I just saw it on the Perl channel.
< 1381787501 86575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's understandable, but arguably a bit inelegant, because Perl in general likes to pretend there's no difference between a scalar that's a number and a scalar that's a string.
< 1381787519 262552 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the middle one that annoys me
< 1381787528 147526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't looks too much inelegant to me, although I am not a Perl programmer so I wouldn't know so much
< 1381787539 600056 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect +"inf" to force the number-y behaviour
< 1381787541 510675 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems fine to me, although I can understand why you might not like the middle one.
< 1381787560 942392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: That's what I sort of expected too, coming from JavaScript.
< 1381787565 368050 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you want unary + to make it numeric.
< 1381787612 990020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '($x, $y) = (+"inf", -"inf"); $x++; $y++; print "$x $y";' # and unary - does, of course.
< 1381787614 570768 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ing -inf
< 1381787692 679865 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably it would make sense if unary + to make it numeric, since it can be meaning something then.
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< 1381788272 309075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't really annoy me so much that unary + doesn't do that though.
< 1381788323 977185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '($x, $y) = ('inf', 'inf'); $z = $y + 0; $x++; $y++; $z++; print "$x $y $z";' # then there's this
< 1381788325 643397 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ing inf inf
< 1381788328 481857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Performing the calculation $y + 0 goes and turns $y into "more numeric" even when the result is assigned to something else.
< 1381788331 671883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e '($x, $y) = (0+'inf', 0+'inf'); $z = $y . ""; $x++; $y++; $z++; print "$x $y $z";' # but not the other way around
< 1381788333 720901 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :inf inf ing
< 1381788372 809508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing $y . "" does not alter the "numericalness" of $y, even though the result in $z is "less numeric".
< 1381788449 768039 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That "$z = $y + 0" causing such things looks like strange, although I think that many things in Perl are looking like strange.
< 1381788469 10903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you like to be nasty about it, you could even say that $y + 0 has an (observable) side effect that modifies $y.
< 1381788503 143000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly the interchangeability of numbers and strings means it usually doesn't matter.
< 1381788554 89106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that it works only one way and not the other way around, just seems like silly, however (although maybe there is a proper reason for it).
< 1381788576 764684 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381788598 69138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe (I'm not much of a Perl programmer either) the reason has uncomfortably much to do with the internals of Perl scalars.
< 1381789168 458947 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-192.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381791923 109189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do program in AWK, though, and I think there are some similiary to Perl.
< 1381791963 433544 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :IINM, perl is supposed to have been based on awk
< 1381792205 932466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are two features I would like to see added into AWK: One is a command to tell the program to receive a line of input (so it matches against all patterns in the program just as if it is from the normal input), and the other is a \ operator to read matched parts of a regular expression used as a boolean and was true.
< 1381792263 273450 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the second case an example might be: /^[^0-9]*([0-9])*/{print \1}
< 1381792421 287556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case it would just output the first digit available in each line of input, if they have any digits.
< 1381792635 401388 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381792643 241384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've wanted the latter feature too. (Generally ended up writing in Perl instead then.)
< 1381792810 134149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -ane and perl -ape are somewhat close to awk in that they do an automatic loop and split, though patterns still need to be written as ifs.
< 1381792835 413887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Easy to do both those features then, though.)
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< 1381794385 540923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still like AWK though, and think adding two such features like I describe may improve it.
< 1381794647 417277 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381794663 912269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Larry Wall, 1987
< 1381794756 789171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My other opinion of AWK is that a few features of GNU AWK (such as gettext) should be moved to external plugins instead.
< 1381794796 273913 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What about Larry Wall, 1987?
< 1381794805 628582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about him indeed
< 1381794850 555896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, that's why I asked.
< 1381794882 60821 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that larry wall said "I still like AWK though, and think [..]", in 1987
< 1381794913 533962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they?
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< 1381794999 142406 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the contnuation of this idea is that it lead to perl
< 1381795087 346745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that adding features to Awk is a slippery slope to Perl
< 1381795179 148608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may have done, but there should be a better way.
< 1381795914 270204 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381798992 801969 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help im scared
< 1381799008 768087 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A deploy of my code tonight
< 1381799020 310927 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it breaks stuff my boss would be really annoyed probably
< 1381799402 576374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck
< 1381799405 883735 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how well-tested is it?
< 1381799433 44486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381799441 341582 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tested the code path that were easy to test (maybe 2), and some random person in Colorado accidentally tested a trickier code path
< 1381799463 982599 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :three code paths! that's three more than I usually test
< 1381799490 472853 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my main concern is more performance, and I really don't know how to test that
< 1381799569 498049 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it fails you can just roll back and try again after testing and fixing some more, right?
< 1381799628 419734 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failing might look like bad diagnostic data, or like a slowdown that's only apparent when a lot of people are hititng the site
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< 1381799652 184651 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat. People were detained in Europe for paying using coins. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24524699
< 1381799675 978621 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the code is going to be rolled back in a few days anyway, even if it works 100% properly
< 1381799706 342095 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Euro-coins look pretty
< 1381799722 436907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1381799747 870776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend paid off the last of his university bill with a bunch of $1 coins in a burlap sack with a big "$" drawn on it
< 1381799802 880855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah. bimetalic coins are nice, I wish we had them here
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< 1381799825 99162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I wish that people actually used $1 coins with enough frequency to make them not annoying
< 1381799833 960427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wish that vendors would choose prices that come out to a round number after tax
< 1381799836 967005 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I want a pony too
< 1381799848 959022 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want prices to be listed after tax rather than before tax
< 1381799857 875278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1381799862 665993 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I may have slightly stopped paying attention to prices after getting a debit card
< 1381799867 842684 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And having a job
< 1381799901 262782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with round numbers, coins are faster than a card
< 1381799985 731604 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: eh?
< 1381799999 198546 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: swiss coins are the biggest PITA though
< 1381800005 53889 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a 5 franc coin!
< 1381800006 117921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sometimes they do that and then tax changes :'(
< 1381800020 792650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty rare in the us, though
< 1381800028 482745 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how does tax change?
< 1381800033 544740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ballot measure
< 1381800035 572497 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trout: that must be one of the more valuable coins in common circulation
< 1381800042 747790 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: probably
< 1381800048 446987 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its so annoying when you drop a coin
< 1381800063 876289 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :' 3,700 one-euro coins were then found in their room.'
< 1381800067 118416 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the problem
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< 1381801814 664830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so weird that comments in HTML stick around in the DOM
< 1381801880 429485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need it (at least internally) because of shit like
< 1381803592 170161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you like pizza y/n
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< 1381805780 221905 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That went reasonably well, maybe
< 1381805782 413924 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Won't really know until morning
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< 1381806193 817671 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: They stick around in the XML DOM too.
< 1381806210 520930 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in case you want to do stupid shit with your XSLT.
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< 1381806366 536605 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember when i learned html4 both books i had recommended doing that so that internet explorer wouldn't shit itself when you put in javascript
< 1381806369 492971 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :goooood times
< 1381806396 90151 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d be fine with browsers ignoring code withing
< 1381806409 399204 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“withing”? ok
< 1381806411 315841 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my few lines of code are now being executed every time someone hits the site... which will be millions of people, probably
< 1381806421 750944 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have ur autograph
< 1381806549 123127 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable
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< 1381807553 597470 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bunch of EVE players are planning to fight the NPC police
< 1381807559 169967 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1ogh7d/concord_vs_eve_yulai_october_19_2013_2000_eve_time/
< 1381807591 173041 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't m0o do that like in 2004 or something?
< 1381807630 473610 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then concord got buffed <_<
< 1381808125 372608 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: lel concord
< 1381808218 874256 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Do you play EVE?
< 1381808243 658454 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a while ago...
< 1381808278 798523 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
< 1381808805 619264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : is a pretty good face
< 1381809518 920876 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pasterack.org/pastes/4143
< 1381809522 237791 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:404:5fb4:e4ee:3a7c QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381809553 828600 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know I don't know how to spell awful
< 1381810289 775981 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381810420 85081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one emphasizes that you are full of awe
< 1381810431 757368 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what's the point of this pls
< 1381810596 508189 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A really offensive way to write if?
< 1381810639 687693 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:404:5fb4:e4ee:3a7c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381811635 545912 :Uguubee111116!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381812183 331811 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember what my debugging codes mean offhand
< 1381812462 720733 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:404:5fb4:e4ee:3a7c QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381812733 336064 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My code is already paying off
< 1381812993 936366 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1381813342 601703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
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< 1381814204 697016 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo, the new Mozart stuff is snazzy
< 1381814232 762885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did Mozart put out some new music?
< 1381814247 598535 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mozart.github.io
< 1381814248 860986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess he heard that GY!BE was touring again
< 1381814260 175837 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1381814428 271629 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: HOLY FUCK THAT'S STILL ALIVE?
< 1381814432 600683 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should look into it
< 1381814434 683550 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yessir
< 1381814442 130276 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just release 2.0, even
< 1381814445 994904 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*released
< 1381814460 278651 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always wanted to look at it but it's deadness kept scaring me away
< 1381814471 561959 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, same here
< 1381814479 869552 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought about it out of the blue and went to check it out
< 1381814492 301213 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shiny new homepage, new version
< 1381814678 401711 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even works on OS X with something other than Aquamacs, which is thrilling
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< 1381815936 567012 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck
< 1381815942 680006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1381815967 535920 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have sudden concerns about my code
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< 1381819654 530361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be fun being all role-play-y and this-is-Serious-Business-y and so on about EVE (assuming people do that? it sounds like something people would do) when there's a large chunk of space claimed by a "Legion of xXDEATHXx". (Looked at some kind of a map.)
< 1381819722 277192 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a while back i read a jihadology report on identified foreign fighters who had died in syria. it generally included their forum handles if applicable.
< 1381819725 892851 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll let you use your imagination.
< 1381819764 623638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a prominent EVE person and SomethingAwful forum mod was killed in the attack on the US embassy in Benghazi
< 1381819791 471710 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was sad
< 1381819796 506469 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rat... something
< 1381819843 573928 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vilerat, that was it
< 1381819922 863583 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was weird having EVE people come by the middle east thread on SA to talk about nuking libya
< 1381820064 260597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, you know, you can legally shoot back for 15 minutes, or something.
< 1381820090 600096 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were dicks.
< 1381821870 897658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you all see https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/the-linux-backdoor-attempt-of-2003/
< 1381822088 276074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ((options == (__WCLONE|__WALL)) && (current->uid = 0)) retval = -EINVAL;
< 1381822468 828772 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381822764 512155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It certainly does look like wrong. I don't know what __WCLONE and __WALL are, but it sets uid to zero and then would not change retval.
< 1381822971 310334 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the set-uid-to-0 part that is really interesting
< 1381823028 709940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand how that would be a problem, but I don't know what __WCLONE and __WALL are.
< 1381823120 749485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't even noticed the other bug
< 1381823126 480802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad you did zzo38 :)
< 1381823152 140502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems it might be some kind of bit flags, although I don't know what the other possible options are, and if that is the case it seems strange that it checks for that exact combination. These kind of things do suggest possibly deliberate backdoors
< 1381823245 19080 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You didn't notice it? Why didn't you notice it?
< 1381823380 898365 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't looking
< 1381823570 63258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should the compiler warn "Condition is always false" or something like that?
< 1381824118 936363 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, probably
< 1381824899 315871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some do.
< 1381824968 547327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also from what I recall, __WCLONE and __WALL are mutually exclusive, so the check sort of halfway makes sense.
< 1381824989 917262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though reporting an error only when current->uid == 0 would be kind of strange thing to do overall.
< 1381825028 112062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The man page specifies that "[__WCLONE] is ignored if __WALL is also specified."
< 1381825106 543045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In any case, it should probably be testing for (options & (__WCLONE|__WALL)) == (__WCLONE|__WALL) if it wanted to test for that.
< 1381825125 41570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless "options" has been purged of other flags.)
< 1381825161 425157 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.67.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errrr, is it normal to see smoke or steam or something coming out of a laser printer. I've never noticed it before. Slightly worried.
< 1381825258 896397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lp0 on fire"
< 1381825271 921230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think it's normal.)
< 1381825333 348071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Issue: Steam or vapor is visible above the output tray, and moisture might appear on the trailing edge of printouts. The printouts might be damp, wet, or curled. If steam is released from the product, it might appear to be smoke."
< 1381825338 990171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it is.
< 1381825346 529007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HP has tested the performance of this product thoroughly, and this moisture is part of the normal operation of the product. The vapor occurs because moisture condenses in the output area until the internal temperature reaches a level at which no condensation occurs."
< 1381825354 630140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't say I've noticed, though.
< 1381825368 254525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably internal humidity &c. has a role.
< 1381825407 575055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's for HP LaserJets, but presumably the overall operating principles are common for most laser printers.)
< 1381825461 120288 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.67.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just moved a dehumidifier to the office. Hopefully it'll solve the problem.
< 1381825580 527873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to HP, it is not a problem.
< 1381825596 55799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the person receiving the "damp, wet, or curled" paper might disagree.
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< 1381826218 890224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes I also noticed that it was strange to be only when uid is zero. I am pretty sure whoever put it in there then must have been either extremely confused about the system and acting really stupid, or more likely, they deliberately put that bug in there and hoped nobody would notice
< 1381826282 144900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can program in C, and know what "uid" is, so I can see why it is strange and bug, and any other C programmers can also tell; I don't know how they expected that nobody would notice.
< 1381826314 804234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if somebody doesn't see the bug I would expect them to question it at least.
< 1381826395 406664 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381826685 947143 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was slipped in sort of clandestinely, not through the usual channels.
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< 1381833563 215063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: y
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< 1381833917 34121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote NihilistDandy: HOLY FUCK THAT'S STILL ALIVE? Maybe I should look into it
< 1381833923 860758 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1118) NihilistDandy: HOLY FUCK THAT'S STILL ALIVE? Maybe I should look into it
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< 1381834496 488818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you’ve ended up on this page, you have probably found the HTTP user agent string of Panopta Monitoring (http://checks.panopta.com) in your logs and are wondering why you’re seeing requests to your server. There are a number of possible reasons for this: * The monitoring could have been setup by someone else in your organization."
< 1381834503 880718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that seems most likely.
< 1381834529 281489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Did you, a someone else in my organization, set up some Panopta Monitoring?
< 1381834529 426962 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the language has
< 1381834538 865535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the *language* has. Well, then.
< 1381834551 165858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are the connections coming from finland?
< 1381834582 495610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From somewhere in the UK.
< 1381834601 770027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you should contact your representatives in the uk, then.
< 1381834636 287202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a possible reason: "A competitor might be looking for comparison data on their online presence."
< 1381834650 61158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All those people competing in the Funge-98 bot market, probably.
< 1381834657 658596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh it's probably hexham university!
< 1381834672 603100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's the ticket
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< 1381835317 173528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's "ended up at the OpenTTD logic page, was probably looking for something else" search query: "4 bit adder and its working"
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< 1381838034 992114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You are requested to use high quality headphones for this experiment" but I just have this cheap USB headset.
< 1381838050 998808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a speech synthesis naturalness evaluation listening test.)
< 1381838126 130373 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it high quality speech synthesis
< 1381838148 83581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They claim it is.
< 1381838175 251324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, "HQ speech synthesis" was in the subject line of the email.
< 1381838192 731468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd certainly like to hear some, but what if my headphones are not high quality enough?
< 1381838264 963111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: GAH! Noise.
< 1381838294 192429 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot doesn't need headphones.
< 1381838294 457880 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: but just because you can access a method pointer do you consider that upstate?
< 1381838338 470658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You sure shut him up.
< 1381838338 669660 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that seems extreme without an extra room to put it more formally
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< 1381840711 535575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, the "port 4679 guy" started again.
< 1381840751 442259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a different IP this time.
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< 1381844314 117803 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1381844528 334372 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381844773 51112 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone need another brainfuck compiler or interpreter? :P
< 1381844860 262388 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good frighumid morning!
< 1381844863 910380 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseHello.
< 1381844889 943529 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. I think I know boily
< 1381844912 88152 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless "JesseHello" is a common term
< 1381844925 57442 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow, hey!
< 1381844939 537335 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a Quaint Tradition from the Channel, where you try to conflagrate a hello-derivative into someone's nick.
< 1381844971 477803 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see!
< 1381844984 78468 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have made it impossible for yours.
< 1381844985 390133 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/jessehorne/phpbf
< 1381845060 848457 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having to learn PHP recently, so I thought i might as well write something fun with it :P
< 1381845097 442749 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: such is life with a francophone name. apparently, hoily is quite popular.
< 1381845133 949763 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a greeting :P
< 1381845151 144341 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not where I come from...Murica
< 1381845279 159379 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381845287 193974 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the data I have, you're approximatively due South from me.
< 1381845312 844042 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super Stalker Technique! kaaaamaaaaahaaaamaaHAAAAA
< 1381845319 138628 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Georgia ^_^
< 1381845382 758857 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KATL
< 1381845383 36377 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KATL 151352Z 08009KT 10SM BKN012 BKN027 OVC030 18/14 A3016 RMK AO2 SLP208 T01780144
< 1381845393 897789 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1381845410 190884 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weather at that infamous airport in Atlanta.
< 1381845428 189261 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a little bit below atlanta
< 1381845433 862318 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macon...MAC TOWN
< 1381845444 379427 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want me street address?
< 1381845460 165549 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm, no. that'd be very stalky, and I'm no stalker.
< 1381845472 569499 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1381845472 887943 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1381845483 287854 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily
< 1381845495 261818 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FirheLly.
< 1381845496 729863 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened to those firefly commercials?
< 1381845512 852952 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never got one :(
< 1381845721 40327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Frighteningly humid?
< 1381845836 805041 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: frigid and humid.
< 1381846148 974374 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381846505 674565 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Uguubee111117
< 1381846509 536737 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :04Uguubee111117: Welc14ome to the in03ternationa02l hub for esoteri04c programm11ing lan08guage design and d03eplo03ymen04t08!05 For more12 information, check out our wiki: http:/11/es08o10langs.org/wiki/M05ain_Page. (For the 06o08the09r ki06nd of 11es12o07t09erica, try #esot09eric 04on irc.d14al.net.)
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< 1381847604 959126 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
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< 1381849299 906389 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381850063 784014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do all norwegians like pizza y/n
< 1381850283 917090 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say y
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< 1381853349 604128 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1381855326 858983 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381855660 454733 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381855788 947337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The king is allergic to beholders and wants them all killed, even though only (exactly) half of them have done anything bad. ... Identify the problem with this. (It isn't implied by the text, although knowing that there is a problem may allow it to be known.)
< 1381855874 478783 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can one create a turing complete language that uses one character?
< 1381855880 99764 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spaces don't count
< 1381855892 475189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: Can you please be more specific?
< 1381855924 132341 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible that a language can be turing complete, using a combination of only one ascii character, and spaces
< 1381855930 864996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1381855932 492206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly; why not?
< 1381855935 389472 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is easy.
< 1381855942 25680 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you took the space away? :P
< 1381855945 421272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, too.
< 1381855949 386041 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :No!
< 1381855951 448206 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not believe so
< 1381855954 75375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are languages that only use the length of the file.
< 1381855958 519596 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O
< 1381855974 792574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Unary
< 1381855982 366395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one uses only the character '0' with no spaces.
< 1381856013 536676 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :dem instructions
< 1381856029 601908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a brainfuck derivative, because of course it is.
< 1381856038 845310 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1381856045 872394 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have had enough of brainfuck for today
< 1381856062 701251 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have to be brainfuck.
< 1381856064 405648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there were some other Unary-like languages.
< 1381856079 615888 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just enumerate the turing machines.
< 1381856084 26491 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to work on improving my languages
< 1381856089 641075 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are so terribly shitty :D
< 1381856096 755593 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for befunge
< 1381856114 985967 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooo I've heard of that one
< 1381856121 978341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Have you heard of that one?
< 1381856122 155823 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: then why do you think
< 1381856130 555981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're made in it, that's why.
< 1381856130 952113 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you code in a procedure to return any sort of looping there; how do you choose not to give the standard bindings the extended meanings from srfi 1
< 1381856164 43597 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i read that move and one conditional jump is turing complete
< 1381856169 315819 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1381856172 397283 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unconditional
< 1381856187 578638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was something about that article that annoyed me.
< 1381856193 560120 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i love subleq
< 1381856204 436640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the "it halts by doing an access violation" aspect.
< 1381856207 34761 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or BCT
< 1381856220 14938 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: derp derp
< 1381856220 189869 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: do you think?!) the scheme implementation
< 1381856228 224629 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think, indeed
< 1381856231 727968 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes
< 1381856236 721907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: There's a Scheme implementation of you?!
< 1381856237 56940 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: chicken scheme is written in before it has changed! i was just responding to minus273's suggestion that ' ( 1 2))
< 1381856251 416195 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hes right you know
< 1381856255 461367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think we all agree that '(1 2).
< 1381856264 333693 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O language idea
< 1381856280 76613 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea gone
< 1381856281 510778 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:(
< 1381856981 908701 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: can you handle Italian cuisine?
< 1381856982 103325 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i love censorship!! it's liberace and tuesday weld!!
< 1381856989 160376 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1381856991 267683 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...???
< 1381857016 231581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1381857045 525912 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: your bot. I can't understand it.
< 1381857108 412309 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that means fungot can't handle italian quizzine.
< 1381857108 615999 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: except slime48.el, i presume?
< 1381857113 712395 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1381857167 697663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is slime48.el? Is it related to Emacs?
< 1381857187 312997 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: slime and sludge and grime and dirt and gooey stuff?
< 1381857187 561581 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 19 isnt between 1 and 20, inclusive? 10) ( integer-char 13)
< 1381857227 169106 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: uh yes it is
< 1381857227 556744 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the language is beautiful, but there are books like sicp and sicm, fnord java has a consistent api with a design in mind and a lot more specific about how that relates to the source
< 1381857259 758892 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the language is beautiful [...] java"
< 1381857298 129514 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“fnord java has a consistent api with a design in mind”
< 1381857306 714274 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... I am deeply disturbed.
< 1381857400 822309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's a kind of an integration thing between Emacs and the Scheme48 Scheme implementation, yes. (Derived or some-such from SLIME, an Emacs thing for Common Lisp stuff.)
< 1381857455 91767 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's your opinion on brainfuck derivatives?
< 1381857455 441571 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: and then compile to that interactively, interpret it, but glad you got it :)), so you
< 1381857473 140465 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what to make of that, fungot...
< 1381857473 298591 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: so it is sans?" etc.
< 1381857525 197143 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fungot
< 1381857525 382370 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i try not to
< 1381857527 326742 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :11) GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. \ 14) Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. \ 15) oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. plea
< 1381857583 88242 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`style
< 1381857584 474078 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: style: not found
< 1381857589 75662 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1381857598 968694 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1381857599 115128 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1381857687 911559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can schee the #scheme roots.
< 1381857689 594069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See.
< 1381857799 635792 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style enron
< 1381857799 818769 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: enron (subset of the Enron email dataset)
< 1381857863 266578 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hello?
< 1381857874 370624 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, no response today?
< 1381857877 334827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any mahjong playing today?
< 1381857898 298367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Is the Enron set closed today?
< 1381858083 601931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: You may have exhausted your limit.
< 1381858095 461398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Speak, friend, and enter.
< 1381858095 788856 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: by the time we wish you the best to get out the attached. whether the shipper on k. see the spreadsheet.
< 1381858102 894935 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1381858113 266632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a four-in-a-row rule.
< 1381858148 439024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the Enron style is terribly good.
< 1381858164 685768 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a good style that isn't irc?
< 1381858191 845275 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :flamenco.
< 1381858199 88319 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style flamenco
< 1381858199 233931 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found.
< 1381858205 5309 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'm disappointed
< 1381858205 203366 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: therefore i was sorting the stations according to the money."? third offense.
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< 1381858216 443362 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fungot
< 1381858216 443560 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself)
< 1381858220 386407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have their own pros and cons.
< 1381858228 619530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But many of them are good only sporadically.
< 1381858234 407223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The style of my stories and games maybe (note: there is no such thing, therefore it cannot possibly be the best style, nor can it possibly be the worse).
< 1381858265 730502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, and maybe flamenco may be good but I don't know and since it isn't there you canot use that one either
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< 1381858641 11120 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellion.
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< 1381859496 957080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo delicious rösti
< 1381859554 120266 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nom
< 1381859629 466612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's neithem here nom there
< 1381859662 572707 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from whom shall I borrow the swatter, so I can hit shachaf?
< 1381859821 881699 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen the swatter in a while
< 1381859856 434136 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381859900 355826 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to use a makeshift swatter...
< 1381859910 915999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also! In the local grocery store they sold that Hexham Fentimans thing.
< 1381859923 797222 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1381859931 193870 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf with a carrot plush from Ikea <}=
< 1381859958 280027 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I tasted the shandy the other day. it wasn't half bad.
< 1381859973 956705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Swat with a SAMSPLET.
< 1381859987 737789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAMSPELT. I can't even spell.
< 1381860011 511286 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy green cubic thing...
< 1381860068 702473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They didn't have much of a selection, but I bought a Curiosity Cola and their Traditional Ginger Beer.
< 1381860082 751402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm "gunna" pretend I'm in Hexham.
< 1381860094 981004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they say "gunna" in Hexham
< 1381860100 567880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not.
< 1381860123 873815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me if this ASCII mahjong format is OK? s=sou,m=man,p=pin,ESWN=wind,F=hatsu,C=chun,P=haku,a=akadora, / separate blocks for example 123456p/111s/EEECC might be one kind of hand. In case of Washizu mahjong you put opaque tiles in [] and for opponent's unknown tiles you use ?
< 1381860171 346261 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have the orange moose from → http://www.ikea.com/ca/fr/catalog/products/80176340/
< 1381860198 93523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For tile taken from other player you type 777m(w) if take from west player, or for "CHII" you can write (4)56p if you have picked the 4 from the other player
< 1381860198 239080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we have any real decorative IKEA items.
< 1381860211 819557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK?
< 1381860213 222907 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: IIRC, I think the anglo-centric version uses A=pin, B=sou, C=man, and G=hatsu, R=chun, W=haku.
< 1381860220 486833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, except we have a TRÅDIG!
< 1381860228 774348 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: did you know that "söt barnslig" means "cute childish"?
< 1381860240 777521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've put apples in the TRÅDIG.
< 1381860249 86216 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: now I do.
< 1381860303 61290 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you think there may be a possibility of perhaps being able playing mahjong on IRC?
< 1381860315 851177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't know of any using A=pin, B=sou, C=man. W=haku can't be correct either.
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< 1381860332 590781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Possibly. At least I can play mahjong and you can and possibly others too, maybe in other server?
< 1381860414 339534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, the ASCII format I mentioned is for UnAmerican. For American, I would suggest using different letters as follows: b=bamboo,c=crack,d=dot,G=green dragon,R=red dragon,0=white dragon,F=flower,J=joker
< 1381860456 927806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did you get the " A=pin, B=sou, C=man, and G=hatsu, R=chun, W=haku" version from?
< 1381860471 704439 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from my very, very fuzzy memory.
< 1381860488 466039 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems that I hallucitiled that.
< 1381860502 657701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not believe it can possibly be correct, especially since W=west
< 1381860592 302444 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... 0 can't be correct neither, as it is the orb of zot. I think your proposition is best.
< 1381860649 644498 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first proposition is best, I think, for Japanese mahjong and all other UnAmerican forms.
< 1381860759 945785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of mahjong game involves orbs?
< 1381860793 979258 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a not so subtle reference to DCSS... >_>'...
< 1381860794 124815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pokemon mahjong (something I made up) involves stones, but not orbs!
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< 1381861124 842454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pokemon mahjong involves 619 tiles (although additional "typeless wildcards" are dealt if the previous hand ended in a draw), and this is only for first generation. It also has two kind of sequences, ambiguity rules for called "chii" and "pon", five special hands (seven pairs, sequence of fourteen, fourteen wildcards, skipping sequence of fourteen, same as your first fourteen untaken discards), and much more.
< 1381861133 424959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of pokemon good enough to know this?
< 1381861165 745462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also two kinds of furiten (wild and natural).
< 1381861184 826279 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chokes at 619...
< 1381861269 970593 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval 619 / (4 * 17)
< 1381861271 437799 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.102941176470589
< 1381861287 817673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did you get 4 * 17 from?
< 1381861326 563280 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have >9 tile-high walls. isn't that a little bit... excessive?
< 1381861337 845269 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one layer of 17 tile-wide wall?
< 1381861339 476593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :619 is 151 (number of pokemon species) times four (copies of each), plus 15 (number of types; one typed wildcard of each type).
< 1381861361 161261 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: O, that's how. Well, you would probably need to use a bag instead of walls, or play the game on a computer.
< 1381861372 905682 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :151-wide walls?
< 1381861379 871357 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing like the feeling of a thrown tile at an opponent.
< 1381861429 285921 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that reminds me of a game of warhammer some friends played over the weekend. 6' × 12' table, 15 000 points each side.
< 1381861517 731076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Of course it wouldn't be easily playable with walls; a computer, or an automatic mixer, or something, would help.
< 1381861535 996860 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I think I have seen warhammer game just once
< 1381861600 562502 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have ever seen one
< 1381861605 988262 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, I know nothing of the rules :<
< 1381861647 372089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this Pokemon mahjong, closed sets may be ambiguous but open sets are required to be unambiguous. For example, [3,fire,joker] and [4,fire,joker] are ambiguous, [2,fire,joker] is unambiguous, and [1,fire,joker] is not a valid set at all.
< 1381861684 191277 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381861711 902461 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the rules include always rolling many dice many times, and boasting that your units are always better, even when playing against the same kind of figurines.
< 1381861806 603646 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha
< 1381862087 419637 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1381862536 154660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Pokemon mahjong I don't know how much more difficult it will be to make a hand. Although there is a lot more possible tiles, it also has some features to make it somewhat easier: It has wildcards, all (natural) tiles are numeric, only two of the numbers are end tiles, two kind of sequences (although this only improves your chances in more than one generation, it affects scoring even in first generation), Charleston, evolution stones, etc
< 1381862561 878358 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381862584 115932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you understand this so far?
< 1381862755 553384 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ YES ]] NO
< 1381862790 583599 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In first generation a [25,26] can be completed with a 24 or 27. In second generation, it can be completed with a 24, 27, or 172.
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< 1381862876 690517 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : I SEE [[ WHAT IS A 172? ]] ORANGE JUICE GOODBYE!
< 1381862891 616900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :172 = Pichu
< 1381862970 696716 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome snuffeluffegus
< 1381862973 318564 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0610snuffeluf03fegus: Welcome to the05 intern14ati12o03nal hub02 f04or 07esoteric progr11ammin03g 03language 08design an02d deployment! For mo14re inform09ati08on, check o03ut our wiki: http://08esolangs.org/w04iki/Main_09Pag12e. (For the other k12in14d of es05ote07rica13, tr02y #09esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1381863001 352985 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I miss the first gen. I wonder if I can play the games on my ouya...
< 1381863063 524960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: If you have a GameBoy emulator (and the ROM image), or a rewrite of the game, then you can.
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< 1381863084 812778 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: has anyone rewritten the entire game?
< 1381863104 500077 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I don't know, but I think some people have at least partially done so on some systems.
< 1381863169 980349 :snuffeluffegus!~banana@cpe-071-077-218-179.ec.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey thanks for the welcome
< 1381863177 949013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once wrote how to make the Pokemon Red game on a 8x8 ASCII display and only seven buttons (none of which are pushed simultaneously), while still displaying much more information at once than the actual game, and allowing commands to be entered much more quickly than the actual game too!
< 1381863185 161347 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :If nothing else, surely you'll be able to find a Gameboy emulator for the Ouya
< 1381863223 871807 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: c code please
< 1381863228 591673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to shorten each element type to one letter, each item and move name to five letters, get rid of the species names entirely (and use only numbers), shorten nicknames to two letters, etc but it does work!
< 1381863244 597054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I didn't write it in C, though. I just prototyped it on a paper.
< 1381863251 825006 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1381863268 19862 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1381863269 30422 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pokemon-like game in terminal could be fun
< 1381863292 845938 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once wrote an RPG thing with a battle system vaguely similar to Pokémon in TI-BASIC
< 1381863296 872011 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin__
< 1381863298 295335 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't recommend doing that
< 1381863305 820265 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :TI-BASIC isn't terribly fun to program in
< 1381863317 426404 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is every basic
< 1381863333 554096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did write a solitaire card game in TI-92 TI-BASIC (which isn't actually BASIC)
< 1381863355 348595 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1381863371 446810 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the most annoying part of TI-BASIC is the lack of indentation and comment syntax
< 1381863373 782481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yes I also wanted possibly having Pokemon game in Z-machine, even, called "Z-Pokemon" (not to confuse with "Pokemon Z").
< 1381863387 275040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: TI-92 supports indentation and comments.
< 1381863405 594485 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this was TI-82 BASIC
< 1381863551 402852 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you actually argue about HOW crappy it was?
< 1381863601 777674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 8x8 Pokemon game I had, in battle you push up/down/left/right for each attack (each direction corresponds to an attack), A to shift, B to use item, C to escape or surrender (you will blacked out if you surrender, and lose money just as if you have lost the battle normally). Outside of battle, run into an object to activate it, A to pokemons, B to items, C for a status screen (which also allows saving game and using HMs).
< 1381863680 941877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some features are omitted such as the Pokedex and what a lot of the people say.
< 1381863681 87379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: You can "indent" in TI-86 BASIC, with extra ":"s.
< 1381863692 656572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: (Though there isn't that much screen space to indent to.)
< 1381863708 984977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But all of the important parts are there.
< 1381863709 860735 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hahahahaha
< 1381863711 825665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming ":" was the command separation character.
< 1381863714 374312 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I recall that making the programs run noticeably slower though
< 1381863720 439572 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"can't indent, fill with NOPs"
< 1381863725 894211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Well, yes, it's a tradeoff. :p
< 1381863771 60351 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds very very creepy
< 1381863780 978976 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the TI-86 that slow that doing a 1-cycle NOP noticeably slow it???
< 1381863808 368205 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if you do like 2 to 6 before EVERY command
< 1381863810 276430 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, doing enough of them to have it act as indentation did, as I recall anyway
< 1381863834 906008 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I mean, the machine's clocked at 6 MHz!
< 1381863838 399927 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, that is fairly bad
< 1381863860 347670 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was on the TI-82 stat
< 1381863908 270156 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, same clock speed though
< 1381863919 707039 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, frequency
< 1381863936 590821 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :speed and frequency are the same thing :D
< 1381863952 451038 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in a very much warped out universe)
< 1381863975 817782 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose, but using "speed" there felt wrong
< 1381863990 204889 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess both are s⁻¹ in the context of CPUs
< 1381864035 889801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you play Dungeons&Dragons game, can you tell me if the list of things I needed to prepare and request of the kingdom was a good one, or what I missed or whatever?
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< 1381864542 38872 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: which kingdom? are you refering to the level20.tex file?
< 1381864608 815610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: The level20.tex is the game, yes, but the list of things is in the IRC log (I will find and copy it out for you). It is the kingdom that I managed to save
< 1381864641 499074 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job on that
< 1381864727 55582 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ain't no job that can't be enlatexed.
< 1381864761 734537 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, I've been lagging on the last few updates... oh well. I'll wait for a few more sgeo quotes, then batch everything together.)
< 1381864765 799204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "enlatexed" mean?
< 1381864779 596703 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to transcribe into LaTeX.
< 1381864808 898526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, a lot of things can be done with that.
< 1381864831 145419 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote weird
< 1381864832 374702 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :258) I also do not like that it should be disallow just because of too weird. They haveto make up more name so that not everyone has the same name!!! \ 717) Sgeo: I used to have strict requirements for when I said hi but then everyone started saying hi and it all got weird \ 749) STOP CAPITALIZING It's making me
< 1381864865 438194 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381864874 642368 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and aren't you glad we did, lumpi- oh. gone. i guess we stopped capitalizing.
< 1381864875 904907 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote unusual
< 1381864877 98615 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :298) i know it's unusual, but i agree with you both to some extent \ 1072) TeX is a bit unusual when doing things other than typesetting
< 1381864890 573446 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! 1072 it is.
< 1381864911 313977 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: lumpio? capitalizing?
< 1381864912 82412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It's not a 1-cycle NOP, it's an empty BASIC instruction.
< 1381864922 27127 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 749.
< 1381864923 634253 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good point.
< 1381864927 571706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: The BASIC interpreter is incredibly slow, as are all other ROM routines on that thing.
< 1381864944 643669 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: je vois.
< 1381864954 715756 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vois too
< 1381864966 399623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: mooz (of #esoteric 2003 fame) disassembled the BCD-float math routines on it and said they could probably be orders of magnitude faster, for example.
< 1381865001 168940 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vois too, i vois tooooo, iiiiii vois toooo ♪
< 1381865012 127332 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry. that's just inherently funny to sing ☺)
< 1381865022 624354 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yowtch.
< 1381865144 236116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I found it in 2013-10-14
< 1381865164 651396 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit, i thought that was today.
< 1381865165 104934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this HackEgo you can search the logs
< 1381865174 804824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random fact of the day: TI-86 math works with 10-byte full-software floats. (One byte of flags, incl. sign; two bytes for a power-of-ten exponent in the -999..999 range encoded with a bias of 0xfc00; seven bytes for a 14-digit BCD mantissa.)
< 1381865203 712368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Dungeons&Dragons game, I have to do some prepare (including to ask things of the kingdom) before continuing on the next quest. I have some ideas; tell me if you think I missed something? * Ask for a spare space on a shelf to store my books and stuff I don't need to carry to there * Request a boat or boat ticket * Summon a familiar
< 1381865223 65756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Study the Calimsham some more * Find religious ties in Church of Gxxyuxihuvxi in both cities * Try to ask father's friend if he is a speaker in dreams * Get the Calimsham advisor and others who may need to come
< 1381865223 250188 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but whyyyyy?
< 1381865228 685671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: There it is.
< 1381865257 992049 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, nice! but why is the Chuch name in Albanian?
< 1381865261 726735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Decimal formats maybe have a bit less cases where they do unintuitive things, since you can at least represent most inputs exactly.
< 1381865278 465548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It isn't in Albanian, maybe it resembles Albanian but I don't know.
< 1381865359 312367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing that's slightly funny is that you could easily fit a -9999..9999 exponent range in those bits; but maybe that's a market segmentation thing. (Or maybe it really made something easier, who knows.)
< 1381865362 154306 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1381865382 996330 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: according to my d&ding experience, always have a familiar with you. very useful against TPK.
< 1381865398 627398 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/aps.1364/abstract Psychoanalysis is the best
< 1381865423 910247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: That isn't the purpose here but yes that can be one purpose. (Furthermore there aren't any other players at this time)
< 1381865478 475033 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if you're talking to people, always ask your way around about presence of agents provocateurs, extremist factions, sects, conspiracies, and stuff.
< 1381865494 940232 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're playing D&D by yourself?
< 1381865515 818353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I've spent like four hours reading Xen internals, because I'm terribly tempted by that XenRust idea, even though I know beforehand I'd (at best) just make something borderline working and then abandon it in ~/src.
< 1381865517 472620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No. It is possible other players will come in but they usually don't by now; however there is still a DM
< 1381865520 369040 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs someone to play RPGs with :P
< 1381865528 82233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though at least it's been moderately interesting. I did learn -- in retrospect, unsurprising -- that paravirtualized Linux-on-Xen on x86-64 runs the guest kernel in ring 3 too. (The x86-32 implementation has the guest kernel in ring 1; both have Xen itself in ring 0 and guest userland in ring 3, of course.))
< 1381865546 861364 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yes, I know I have to learn about those things too.
< 1381865547 7243 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whose D&D game is this?
< 1381865556 755508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? danddreclist
< 1381865560 44064 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex (the precompiled .dvi is also available)
< 1381865565 354578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: It is that one
< 1381865589 952735 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1381865595 123978 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thought that he got lucky and found players
< 1381865604 555532 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a long thing to read btw
< 1381865649 742667 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? JesseH
< 1381865649 967736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is.
< 1381865651 386684 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1381865662 668236 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o
< 1381865681 824731 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will GM for food
< 1381865683 918329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: To know the current situation,read the part near the end of the file; it is a letter I transcribed
< 1381865689 630548 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems that you don't exists yet. are you sure that you're not Canadian?
< 1381865696 498693 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: ↑
< 1381865703 345165 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy arrow :3
< 1381865715 98902 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :←_→
< 1381865719 12662 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric ::OOO
< 1381865720 84676 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RCtrl-Shift-U.
< 1381865740 995792 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :lols
< 1381865757 950185 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :←↓↑→
< 1381865759 500822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to beat Aberration Hater and unimprison my character's father.
< 1381865768 139700 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has 'em on altgr+shift+hjkl
< 1381865774 612790 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, dont do it, its a trap
< 1381865784 198161 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :your father is already dead
< 1381865786 793853 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :they want to kill you too
< 1381865791 140001 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what"s␣up␣friends
< 1381865793 860771 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: I considered that.
< 1381865807 57838 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike, i ride you everyday
< 1381865807 738075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is a possibility. That is why I am going to check things first!
< 1381865813 138610 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa
< 1381865819 292112 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have all the spells and psychic communications to check things.
< 1381865820 805765 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't supposed to be dirty.......
< 1381865826 540409 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just like bikes :3
< 1381865828 185948 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#Canadian_Multilingual_Standard
< 1381865829 887679 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if they do want to kill me do then maybe I can beat them up too
< 1381865840 86675 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I am not canadan
< 1381865843 756085 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PRIVMSG #esoteric :CANNONDAN
< 1381865866 560084 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you have any necromancy spells available?
< 1381865896 284475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Of that school, yes, but not the ones to raise dead and kill someone dead and stuff like that.
< 1381865918 316071 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I was thinking along the speak-with-the-dead line.
< 1381865938 978917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Ah. Well, I do have speak-with-the-living line, so I can use that on two different people.
< 1381865971 934797 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spell schools are confusing. imo, everything should be under conjurations. need to make it rain? *BOOM* rain. fireball? *BOOM* fireball. diplomacy with an emissary from an exotic nation? *BOOM* instant trade agreement.
< 1381866009 529736 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: just to troll my GM next time, I should try to setup a P2P network between cadavers :D
< 1381866032 966119 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use that. I have no fireballs, if I need fire I can cast a different spell (energy ray), or just light a fire using a torch.
< 1381866057 117394 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Transhumanist_Wager
< 1381866107 214900 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: “compared to the Ayn Rand novel Atlas Shrugged”
< 1381866109 793068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have "Correspond" and will use that on both my father and my father's friend.
< 1381866131 789168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: What character do you play? Do you have a familiar and if so which one? What spells, if any?
< 1381866278 817188 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-121.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1381866278 962741 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I play a custom monk-druid mix. I have a legacy spectral seagull. I can summon porcupines, crocodiles and pantheras.
< 1381866384 606386 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The familiar I wanted is a leech but there are no stats for that
< 1381866412 145329 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc leeches are basically considered one hit kill able.
< 1381866433 720275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Familiars have modified hit points though
< 1381866452 610658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in general I suppose so
< 1381866461 804647 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you're going to beef up a leech to the point where it can take a hit from a sword and not die.
< 1381866491 567493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think we can.
< 1381866513 105752 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can think you can, but that think will be wrong.
< 1381866533 457927 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the rules for familiars?
< 1381866566 394677 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exact rules as prescribed by WotC? no.
< 1381866568 191253 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1381866599 992560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think familiars have the same hit points according to its master's level regardless of what animal it is or its Con score, and also get bonus AC
< 1381866629 81716 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can just gurps it, and have something custom that goes well with the RP.
< 1381866646 68913 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not playing GURPS.
< 1381866660 428350 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nor do I know how)
< 1381866785 877789 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I meant is: start with a blank character sheet, fill in the necessary stats, and treat your familiar as a PC.
< 1381866801 589312 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A familiar isn't a PC.
< 1381866827 126990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the stats can be filled in for NPCs too in that way I suppose.
< 1381866884 857779 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some familiars also have a power when in range with the master, and/or a power anywhere, so I can make up stuff like that too and see if it is good.
< 1381867052 291146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A familiar is also useful if you want to cast a "you" spell on someone other than yourself.
< 1381867286 237092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know the stats you can tell me I will write it down.
< 1381867355 178944 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have a copy somewhere in my inbox, perhaps, maybe, peut-être...
< 1381867413 762831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not very good at French, sorry.
< 1381867441 843410 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no worries, I have a draft PDF, written in English.
< 1381867445 305630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone in your game have a familiar?
< 1381867464 561755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not need the entire fire.
< 1381867466 138340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fire/file/
< 1381867476 131002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381867504 527180 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: only me, the PDF is small, and I need your e-mail address.
< 1381867526 407534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any email.
< 1381867533 911812 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!siaçnarf el sdnerppa)
< 1381867537 871921 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: say wut?
< 1381867572 647185 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this subliminal message was presented to you by the Groupe d'Action Populaire pour la Propagation du Français)
< 1381867578 804794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some PDF files don't work in my computer.
< 1381867600 834429 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you copy the relevant stats in one line of text I can deal with that however.
< 1381867612 603034 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure it'll work, but I'll try.
< 1381867654 319297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ot
< 1381867658 163898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1381867679 973796 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vn:ớt en:chili.
< 1381867700 289253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's the stereotypical norwegian meal these days, so approximately.
< 1381867754 445556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: sounds hot
< 1381867811 707593 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the stats: Str 12 Dex 20 Wis 14 Con 17 lnt 3 Cha 7
< 1381867823 581442 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: rösti?
< 1381867824 215437 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and a bunch of other stuff I'm trying to one-line-format)
< 1381867840 879090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also https://www.facebook.com/elliot.waldman
< 1381867853 625067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: pizza
< 1381867875 764061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Int (not "lnt") for normal animals is 1 or 2, not 3. For a familiar, it is overridden (the normal Int score is ignored), however. OK?
< 1381867887 623757 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:25c6:bdb0:bf91:56da PRIVMSG #esoteric :i call bullshit
< 1381867888 501781 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:25c6:bdb0:bf91:56da PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://puu.sh/4QYKt.png
< 1381867894 801201 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:25c6:bdb0:bf91:56da PRIVMSG #esoteric :/wrong channel
< 1381867936 683398 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: here it comes...
< 1381867939 347431 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Mouette (a.k.a. Living Zephyr) // Medium elemental magical beast // HP your bloodied value // Init Yours // AC 14, Fortitude 13, Reflex 14, Will 13 (add your level to each defense) // Perception Yours + 2 // Speed 0, fly 6 (hover; altitude limit 2) // Traits: Debris Cloud ✦ Aura 2 The aura is lightly obscured to enemies. // Standard actions: Animal Attack ✦ At-Will // Attack: Melee 1 (one creature);
< 1381867941 978214 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your level + 5 vs. AC Hit: 1d10 + your Wisdom modifier damage, and the zephyr can slide the target 1 square. // Str 12 Dex 20 Wis 14 Con 17 lnt 3 Cha 7 // Feats Staff Expertise, Battlewise, Improved defences, Mark of healing, Spirit stalker, Mending spirit // Resilient focus: You have a +2 feat bonus to saving throws.
< 1381867959 108558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders an irc client which posts wrongly spelled /commands to the channel instead.
< 1381867980 515829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: O, so that is for the Living Zephyr.
< 1381867990 919118 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted the stats for the small leech though.
< 1381868047 695833 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm.
< 1381868052 319284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Anyways that isn't a valid familiar for 3.5E)
< 1381868064 823733 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. that's a 4e seagull.
< 1381868077 972888 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to ask my GM for leech stats.
< 1381868099 305580 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably going to be useful some day for our ongoing campaign, knowing the kind of situations we find ourselves in)
< 1381868108 978736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A valid familiar consists of stats for an unmodified animal, adjusted according to the rules for familiars (not its own rules), plus any special powers that may be available to familiars of that type.
< 1381868115 808519 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: What kind of situations are those?
< 1381868138 867940 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: slimituations.
< 1381868165 653250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a real word?
< 1381868275 210548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :google says no
< 1381868323 651284 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381868350 28733 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then please tell me what is it meaning if you just made it up?
< 1381868356 929132 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :nisstyre
< 1381868383 511088 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play this D&D game tomorrow, so I am writing down this list of stuff on this paper since he asked me to write what I needed prepare/request
< 1381868479 594725 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: slimy situations.
< 1381868502 680454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, slimy situations. OK.
< 1381868566 560610 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and profundly, deeply, markedly stupid situations where the Facepalms Echo along the Great Cosmos.
< 1381868571 348519 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of slimy situations, do you have example?
< 1381868598 975358 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh... voluntarily throwing oneself in a stagnating puddle of mutagenic fluid?
< 1381868634 942894 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :traversing a putrid swamp made of slithering snakes?
< 1381868649 652505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you go into the puddle to avoid being caught by someone else?
< 1381868656 88677 :JesseH!~JesseH@unaffiliated/jesseh PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1381868685 344989 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no. my friend just likes to pinball his character in the most gore and unselfpreservating way.
< 1381868687 405020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did go into a swamp with snakes once, but I had wood boots for everyone in the party so the snakes didn't hurt us too badly.
< 1381868710 654522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can play pinball with D&D?
< 1381868752 737671 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :metaphoric pinball. like, random flailing around, rampant ADHD, and trying to find the most unwholesome way to achieve something, preferably by hitting the most people along the way.
< 1381868763 686130 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hitting physically, hitting romantically, hitting psychically...)
< 1381868784 574156 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, and butchering the French language at each sentence :D
< 1381868852 412473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, like that. It isn't how I play this game, though, I prefer to hit people on the way when necessary and not hit anyone when it isn't necessary.
< 1381868853 44625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :baller le pin
< 1381868868 162088 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: c'est mignon.
< 1381868925 4573 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: our team tends to act like a bunch of overly inquisitive thugs. ingame, we are nicknamed Explosion-on-the-Ocean.
< 1381869008 56354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do strange things a lot, but due to what I think seem reasonable to the situation and to plan ahead, not to just do crazy things for no reason (unless there isn't anything else to do).
< 1381869009 397346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :were any actual (ingame) oceans harmed in the making of that nickname
< 1381869054 821253 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oceans? pfshaw. you lack ambition :P
< 1381869077 840002 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we completely annihilated the whole multiverse and their gods during our last campaign. MWAH AH AH AH AH!
< 1381869131 941368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Oops! Unless that was the goal, you lose! (If it was the goal, congratulation you win!)
< 1381869132 295276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: also did jesseh essentially provide his approximate coordinates unasked
< 1381869136 728711 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(serial escalation with drama, trahisons, heel turns, overpowered scrolls, armies, end of the world summonings, and things to that effect)
< 1381869160 696474 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it... uhm... I think it was a goal, somehow. nevertheless, it was grandiose.
< 1381869204 52221 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, I resisted the temptation to get too much details, unless you are talking about the fact he provided me with a town, where I only had a state beforehand.
< 1381869206 878301 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were there other necessary goals too? If so, you would have had to do those other things at first if you want it to count, otherwise you will still lose.
< 1381869235 760604 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'll have to dig to find the journal of that fateful day.
< 1381869247 462068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i do.
< 1381869293 153350 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in that case, I think that's a yes.
< 1381869352 944468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, it's not like the approximations are reliably _better_ than town size.
< 1381869373 270783 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine are.
< 1381869382 983184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall that guy who provided coordinates for approximately the midpoint of washington state.
< 1381869421 165463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and later mentioned being in olympia, iirc)
< 1381869431 207033 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike's coördinates are very unprecise, and are very washingtonian.
< 1381869467 146170 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and why in fungot did I put Norrköpingsvägen for olsner...)
< 1381869467 322901 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if that is not used commonly and carries with it an array subscript was too easy heh one time i figured if it's possible, notify the notary.
< 1381869472 239277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have been him. if the coordinates are in the middle of a forest nowhere.
< 1381869498 897200 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: exactly what I'm thinking.
< 1381869499 65665 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: uh, sorry, i have no information. he seemed, in fine, i can verify it up, leaving the new information could be provided that it is.
< 1381869510 699035 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: darn. foiled by your lack of information!
< 1381869510 844933 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: to, uhhh.... like nuns in the street, and has not named a
< 1381869526 574379 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: sadly, there aren't many streetwise nuns left.
< 1381869526 758610 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that is just a value of type " airbus is a big fan of avril....but this song " there
< 1381869536 145785 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaah, good airbus memories...
< 1381869563 814667 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did fungot just offer to verify olsner's Norrköpingsvägen address??
< 1381869563 960138 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: just to help an fnord archive) when it suffices that fnord is fnord to me is my fnord' doggie than a dozen tales, of the whole fnord range of the ' ' ' delete a value of type is created containing the syntax for mark if he was really gonna get worse and worse each week,
< 1381869571 753613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make up stats for the small leech? (not the big one)
< 1381869591 701171 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that's enough fnord for this week for you
< 1381869591 847045 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: just to help an fnord archive)
< 1381869601 718012 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course.
< 1381869605 630985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even if killed in one hit that's OK because that is automatically overridden anyways)
< 1381869641 774422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Then change the mode to something other than "fnord".
< 1381869655 381547 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1381869655 527393 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot* homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1381869682 101107 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc
< 1381869682 246769 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams)
< 1381869701 688167 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's the only style generating actually interesting lines
< 1381869705 700286 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, fungot?
< 1381869705 959560 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: thats why the terminator should be n... the output is the same
< 1381869710 314957 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381869715 643575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursive mode, in honor of yudkowsky's invited talk at MIT which i just read of in scott aaronson's blog
< 1381869717 420892 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except this time
< 1381869751 590220 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who invited him to talk
< 1381869760 262851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaronson did.
< 1381869770 723674 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh.
< 1381869772 533768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking, isn't it.
< 1381869793 73820 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaronson's "rationalist" streak is so annoying ~_~
< 1381869797 538390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in the same blog post and comments, you can deduce that aaronson doesn't have web design sense.
< 1381869847 824519 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a fan of embedded whatevertex?
< 1381869857 790195 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow that shit is ugly
< 1381869862 349770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that part is ok, although it doesn't seem to work in the rss.
< 1381869868 814770 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ain't kiddin here
< 1381869891 654923 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :giant fucking thumbs
< 1381869892 43974 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1381869907 356789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and accidentally making every comment bold
< 1381869940 510408 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i almost want to know why they're not doing "singularity" crap any more but then i'd have to pay attention to them...
< 1381869962 568388 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sold the word "singularity" to Singularity University
< 1381869981 171368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also breaking comment formatting.
< 1381869981 366130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and replaced all their references to it with "intelligence explosion" or something
< 1381869993 330893 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't tell how joking you are
< 1381870005 520645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug, this is the story i heard
< 1381870006 568570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next, they will replace it by "suffusion of yellow" (nomic joke)
< 1381870057 562184 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :overcurious yellow (book joke??)
< 1381870090 52702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dongs (dong joke)
< 1381870173 838363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: The other ones do actually interesting lines (well, allegedly) too, just rarely.
< 1381870174 652154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :đồngs (phở joke)
< 1381870180 275025 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's recursive mode?
< 1381870194 114579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ^style fungot
< 1381870194 415634 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: come on, nobody's allowed to use it as a guide, where the module system in scheme
< 1381870195 419520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Now I've installed Xen in a qemu and it's entirely your fault.
< 1381870213 723331 :snuffeluffegus!~banana@cpe-071-077-218-179.ec.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381870287 600228 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1381870442 87923 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what kmc said re: "singularity" is entirely correct/not a joke
< 1381870484 18597 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wwas afraid of that
< 1381870500 523380 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't even know "singularity" was trademarked
< 1381870554 83041 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if it's a legal thing or just "we want to not get confused with you guys"
< 1381870557 884448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : “fnord java has a consistent api with a design in mind” <-- it's like java, except designed by the illuminati and therefore much more powerful.
< 1381870578 546995 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it was not trademarked
< 1381870600 41817 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so was it actually sold or what
< 1381870610 271991 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you going to make xenrust now?
< 1381870622 706190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I sure hope not.
< 1381870635 50674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: But I suppose I'll fiddle with at least something that runs under PV Xen.
< 1381870652 800160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Maybe I'll make a Xefunge-98 interpreter to run fungot on.
< 1381870652 954036 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but it creates an object
< 1381870677 767728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Oh, well, never mind then.
< 1381870678 59810 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but the generated core is less clever ( no real optimisations) but a lot
< 1381870687 779086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm sure it wouldn't be very clever.
< 1381870728 754606 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you find some nice documentation on how to build a PV something for running in xen?
< 1381870817 834499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly -----###
< 1381870834 226887 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no, i'm paying attention, oops
< 1381870867 299628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: btw I saw there are already some mailing list posts about rust on xen
< 1381870878 108990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could definitely ask in #rust on irc.mozilla.org
< 1381870904 363325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait can i sell words to people
< 1381870912 223918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: want to buy some good words
< 1381870925 502496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones tho
< 1381870932 497738 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what now?
< 1381870936 208094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i tell you you might steal them!!
< 1381870953 628467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're good
< 1381870958 889976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a zero knowledge proof
< 1381870960 236996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :words like "pinecone"
< 1381870986 109647 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the former "Singularity Institute" sold the singularity.org domain name to "Singularity University", along with the rights to run the "Singularity Summit" conference and an agreement not to use the word "singularity" much anymore
< 1381870995 662962 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, heh.
< 1381871035 126180 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which kind of reminds me of when London realised they needed to replace London Bridge
< 1381871052 777302 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and somebody had the bright idea that they could probably get somebody to buy the old one
< 1381871061 344415 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, they cashed out the name?
< 1381871076 824487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I saw that too, and it didn't seem like there was anything else than those mailing list posts. (I guess I'll proceed to a Rust channel if I "master" Xen. Though it didn't really seem all too tricky, just... fiddly with page tables and such.)
< 1381871086 849294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1381871094 187166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :420 smoke page tables every day
< 1381871115 557249 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yes. though also i don't think they wanted to be associated with the term "singularity" so much anymore anyway
< 1381871119 502386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No, but I found all kinds of bits and pieces that could charitably be called documentation that did form some sort of a coherent picture.
< 1381871127 957276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :smoke test every day
< 1381871148 815182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: why not
< 1381871188 939545 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: makes sense
< 1381871241 968134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Things like a 2006 paper on details of how the x86-64 XenLinux PV port was done (which incidentally had nice information on Xen's architecture), and some slideshows on the topic of Xen memory management, and of course there's *some* documentation also in the docs/ of the Xen repository -- and esp. in xen.h, the hypercall API spec -- it's just quite unorganized.
< 1381871349 500035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: now you've seen it
< 1381871369 506028 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right.
< 1381871369 859473 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently my lab was attacked by china yesterday. yay internet
< 1381871399 192320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: And a bit temporally variable. Like, the standard PV guest kernel is an ELF executable, but they have two redundant ways of specifying the Xen-specific where-to-load-it stuff: a "__xen_guest" section at the start of the file with the data in an ASCII string, now deprecated; and a whole set of Xen-specific ELF "note" sections, which is the modern preferred way.
< 1381871434 841203 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: because the term "singularity" had come to refer too much to general technoyay and not particular ideas about AI, and was a somewhat poor term for the latter anyway
< 1381871453 454246 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and because focus on the term probably makes them seem more cultish
< 1381871530 688400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: (Plus as an alternative to a "kernel" line there's also a "bootloader" line that at least PyGrub -- a thing that lets PV guests boot a kernel "from the inside" -- uses, and that has some sort of a protocol, but I haven't found out what it was. And then there's the fact that a "kernel" line can specify a stock Linux (xen pvops-enabled) kernel which certainly isn't an ELF file, I haven't ...
< 1381871536 680660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... really found details on that yet.)
< 1381871545 352927 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a problem they have enough as it is
< 1381871556 256597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: as opposed to "intelligence explosion" *cough*
< 1381871584 123298 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not in their name anymore
< 1381871589 526082 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: one: you found the swatter? two: why FireFly?
< 1381871593 528377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's adorable how this cult tries so hard to not sound like a cult
< 1381871597 897195 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think linux kernels are normally ELF files, because qemu's -kernel options takes an ELF kernel
< 1381871608 72561 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes "intelligence explosion" is less vague and mystical-sounding
< 1381871611 739098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i have always had the swatter. also, flies need swatting.
< 1381871618 567750 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for a Xen kernel you might need those extra notes perhaps
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< 1381871645 903180 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: makes sense. now I remember having had to swat someone this morning, but I can't recall whom.
< 1381871658 733128 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i think there are cults that try harder
< 1381871658 968114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: really, it doesn't take a zImage / bzImage?
< 1381871661 520995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe both
< 1381871678 354046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: There certainly isn't a ELF header at the start of a bzImage.
< 1381871708 344554 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landmark_Forum
< 1381871709 729379 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think-know it takes ELFs and multiboot images at least, but it might take zimages and bzimages as well
< 1381871734 619773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, it wouldn't be very surprising if Xen did too.
< 1381871735 589216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you get an ELF kernel as part of the kernel build process but it's not generally considered the final result
< 1381871740 701226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you're building UML, of course!)
< 1381871743 471431 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I've gotten used to it
< 1381871755 502957 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :re. "why FireFly?"
< 1381871768 96664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I like that Linux still doesn't use multiboot despite GRUB being the preferred bootloader on PC hardware
< 1381871774 231379 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlogs swats FireFly
< 1381871775 717014 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pastlogs: not found
< 1381871782 481665 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog swats FireFly
< 1381871799 923822 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any mainstream oses actually use multiboot?
< 1381871800 920876 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hurry up already, HackEgo. you can do it
< 1381871817 408780 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my current machine I'm stuck with a legacy grub that I fear to update due to a stupid rm -rf made in /var one day...
< 1381871817 684820 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you can't
< 1381871828 812518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Oh, and that PyGrub is a Python thing that runs in dom0 and reads a kernel from the guest filesystem using filesystem drivers extracted from GRUB -- but there's also PvGrub, which runs a paravirtualized variant of Grub inside the domU and boots like that.
< 1381871835 369065 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.24793
< 1381871841 764558 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... he could!
< 1381871846 304201 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiboot seems to be mostly used for "OSes not big enough to build their own system and convince a boot loader to support it"
< 1381871857 124332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it was shachaf, but i have a rule about not swatting shachaf because he likes it too much.
< 1381871862 276110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The idea being that if you have a bug in the filesystem drivers, a maliciously crafted guest filesystem can't infect the dom0.
< 1381871928 31883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think NetBSD at least supports building the kernel as a multiboot image.
< 1381871935 462543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if it's standard practice or not.
< 1381871936 193312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what was me
< 1381871943 795124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's some kind of a kludge like that for Linux too.
< 1381871969 867195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this have to do with pizza
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< 1381872016 559529 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if you like swatting yourself with pizza, then yes, it is you that were.
< 1381872018 526635 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf
< 1381872052 739606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't aware that i liked being swatted
< 1381872055 283173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can believe it
< 1381872153 412728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Besides, isn't GNU Hurd a mainstream OS?
< 1381872199 737206 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No.
< 1381872223 828775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Oh, and the Xen hypervisor itself is a multiboot image, that's the only supported way to boot it. Though it doesn't quite qualify as an OS, probably.
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< 1381872276 998053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION make -j8 || make -j8
< 1381872297 210901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my housemate geofft keeps threatening to add more of a userspace to GRUB
< 1381872299 905825 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't quite understood how Xen works though, is there an actual hypervisor outside the dom0 kernel?
< 1381872342 548092 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why make after make?
< 1381872345 803857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc yes, the dom0 kernel is also paravirtualized, it just has special powers to ask the hypervisor to do things
< 1381872350 644981 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: because sometimes it fails the first time.
< 1381872384 272292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :makemake
< 1381872396 785264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: To do... what, exactly?
< 1381872404 563406 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's vile, but it's make, so nothing surprising there.
< 1381872422 819111 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make sure it's make'd
< 1381872423 966124 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1381872427 112225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boot up new domUs i guess
< 1381872429 645372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kill them
< 1381872431 691668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do things to them
< 1381872438 85368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Also to talk directly to hardware.
< 1381872472 90647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: And the "To do... what" was referring to the GRUB userspace. :p
< 1381872621 672756 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to boot things up and kill them and do things to them
< 1381872662 808715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These days there are also "driver domains", which is a unprivileged domain that's been given dominion over a particular hardware device, and it runs a pruned kernel with a driver for that piece of hardware; the idea being, again, that if the driver borks, rest of the system will survive and can even try restarting the driver domain.
< 1381872667 559576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh
< 1381872696 412069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: uh to do various crypto things relating to secure boot, I think, but really because GRUB is the GNU kernel and it needs a userspace
< 1381872706 717141 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Reading Surfaces and Essences is like biting an apple and finding half a worm. It's like a pancake eating contest. It is the Phantom Menace of cognitive science literature."
< 1381872713 699484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that GRUB Invaders already, though.
< 1381872719 443374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess it's got games.
< 1381872734 375482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1381872756 691920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suppose it's not really part of the "GRUB userland" since it's a "kernel" started by GRUB.
< 1381872835 149721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: can you implement POSIX on top of GRUB?
< 1381872841 596441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is glibc GRUB-compatible?
< 1381872859 39438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bold questions
< 1381872924 392214 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does posix require virtual memory and preemptive multitasking?
< 1381873066 206394 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does a fungot produce sane sentences?
< 1381873066 532016 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: egads, a giant fuss.
< 1381873067 323980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhoo, most of the complexities described in the PV-XenLinux paper were about trying to paravirtualize Linux with the least amount of changes, and to deal with the fact that it needs to separate guest-kernel from guest-userspace while both are in ring 3, which made it sound like porting a language (in a single-application scenario) could be simpler; no need to start with something that ...
< 1381873073 331620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... expects to run on real hardware, and safety for the "userland" because of what it's written in plus it's all in the same boat anyway.
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< 1381873167 57292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I don't think threads are optional at least in current POSIX.
< 1381873178 276468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some other bits (the ones with feature codes) are.
< 1381873200 306352 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it required that threads use preemptive multitasking
< 1381873201 435974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like TCT for "Thread CPU-Time Clocks" and TPS for "Thread Execution Scheduling".
< 1381873218 646468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to see what that TPS means.
< 1381873228 125733 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i like this expansion
< 1381873238 387323 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, whatever is missing to implement POSIX I guess you'd just have to add it to grub and that'd be that
< 1381873438 38852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Good, because I don't know if I can wade through the POSIXtalk of the "Thread Scheduling" section to see what it really means.
< 1381873457 465370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the Thread Execution Scheduling option is defined, and the schedpolicy attribute specifies one of the priority-based policies defined under this option, the schedparam attribute contains the scheduling priority of the thread. A conforming implementation ensures that the priority value in schedparam is in the range associated with the scheduling policy when the thread attributes object is ...
< 1381873463 496951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... used to create a thread, or when the scheduling attributes of a thread are dynamically modified."
< 1381873466 493492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's that sort of stuff.
< 1381873472 752245 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the important thing is i'm imagining a system that just runs threads one after another.
< 1381873495 130699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, not even cooperatively multitasking them?
< 1381873495 635788 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of time-sharing system?
< 1381873509 643172 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, just one at a time. would that conform?
< 1381873544 759695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about the letter of the law, but it's quite clearly not within the spirit of it.
< 1381873596 84516 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coward. let's do this. kmc call your friend, it's time to write the Incompatible Timestealing System
< 1381873626 825227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the only explicit mentions of preemption do seem to be in sections marked with TPS and PS ("Process Scheduling").
< 1381873711 809556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I guess that could sort of work if your threads would do things like "okay, has the operation I'm waiting for completed yet? no? well, let's spawn a new thread and exit, and hope something else gets scheduled in-between".
< 1381873761 870834 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically cooperative multitasking, innit
< 1381873774 797962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, that'd be "let's yield and continue".
< 1381873782 417444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a crucial semantic difference.
< 1381873793 513722 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :er how
< 1381873822 555206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you see, the thing that gets to continue would be a completely new thread and not just a continuation of some old.
< 1381873828 143534 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1381873836 537086 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would work out pretty similarly. right?
< 1381873856 656745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmmaybe if you want to focus on practical notions, but I mean, spiritually!
< 1381873876 601017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new threads would be free of all the emotional baggage of their predecessors and mumble mumble hype hype.
< 1381873894 500174 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, i shouldn't neglect the spiritual dimension. maybe i'll take a tour of duty in a hadoop monastery
< 1381873905 365838 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :emotional baggage is probably the biggest performance sink in modern multitasking system
< 1381874317 238979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think maybe the Incompatible Timestealing System should use a firm LIFO policy on running.
< 1381874381 185463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: To prevent nasty hacks like the aforementioned crude attempt at emulating cöpperated multitasking?
< 1381874392 392177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely
< 1381874410 402933 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thinking, good thinkin
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< 1381878046 905928 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=cubic+light+year+of+butter
< 1381878118 543652 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should tell how many animals were killed for that.
< 1381878156 739218 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that collapse into a black hole?
< 1381878177 191629 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually isn't that already a black hole. like. isn't the schwarzchild radius of that bigger
< 1381878186 419651 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITYM yellow hole
< 1381878195 939923 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.67.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't managed to find the source code for Jintori, the 2D programming language :-(
< 1381878229 361740 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :((1 light year)^3) * ((0.96 grams) per (cubic centimeter)) = 4.08658746 × 10^20 solar masses
< 1381878232 866612 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay um. that's big
< 1381878285 898697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get a black hole if you have enough matter even if it's not very dense?
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< 1381878411 940595 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :black holes aren't really that dense
< 1381878462 406708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes.
< 1381878522 504216 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 1 billion solar mass black hole is 50 times less dense than water
< 1381878601 335519 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the schwarzchild radius grows linearly with the mass, so the density drops with the cube of the mass, I think?
< 1381878607 777325 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, the square of the mass
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< 1381878879 103459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1381878886 128438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is some minimum density right?
< 1381878898 993777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you have just a huge diffuse cloud of hydrogen, that won't eventually form into a black hole will it
< 1381878934 598739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um you know how stars get formed don't you...
< 1381878938 198778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1381878940 431114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot
< 1381878954 813841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you start with a huge diffuse cloud of hydrogen...
< 1381878967 839754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also some helium)
< 1381878979 30154 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you form the helium through fusion.
< 1381878986 869428 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is sttar formed, how fusion get ignated
< 1381879003 221254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you _can_ it's just that primordial matter is about 25% helium
< 1381879023 232052 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes. The helium isn't necessary, it just so happens that you don't have clouds of pure hydrogen, you have clouds of mostly hydrogen.
< 1381879032 39905 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :slutty clouds
< 1381879052 692431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>__>
< 1381879059 550455 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :band name
< 1381879062 32206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you get a star, and if it is big enough, part of it will eventually form a black hole once it stops fusioning.
< 1381879079 424030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while it's fusioning the energy going out keeps it from collapsing?
< 1381879083 924888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1381879087 780443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1381879091 552354 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the idea of stars, the energy from fusion counteracts gravity
< 1381879099 614737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :convenient
< 1381879113 59873 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting thing I remember reading the other day, the largest any cold astronomical body can get is about the size of jupiter
< 1381879130 376474 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can get bigger while being hot (fusion) like a star
< 1381879133 355619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the final stage is sufficiently violent that most of the mass actually gets thrown out rather than collapsing.
< 1381879137 822367 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, a big cold object will just shrink because of gravity
< 1381879151 226711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you may have heard of "supernovas")
< 1381879153 99867 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why white dwarfs get smaller as they get heavier
< 1381879159 772390 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then neutron stars also get smaller as they get heavier
< 1381879179 249638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas I get bigger as I get heavier
< 1381879190 108879 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only up to a certain point.
< 1381879194 316741 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm made of metal
< 1381879203 200160 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you eat solar systems you'll get smaller as well.
< 1381879218 913752 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note, don't eat solar systems.
< 1381879224 679838 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like my solar system :<
< 1381879230 123857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't eat *your* solar system Fiora
< 1381879232 324076 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you'll get bigger up until about the size of jupiter, then you'll get smaller
< 1381879234 716326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just some spare one
< 1381879254 933317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are you eating solar systems................it's bad for you
< 1381879290 283795 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in moderation it can still be part of a healthy diet
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< 1381879303 239956 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wuts
< 1381879315 565983 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically I guess I eat part of a solar system every day?
< 1381879318 615837 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since like. my food is part of Earth
< 1381879337 239691 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never thought about this. Apparently outside the event horizon is a sphere where photons that happen to be moving tangential to the sphere will be in orbit around the black hole.
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< 1381879341 908326 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Photons*. In orbit.
< 1381879348 857104 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that's the ISCO?
< 1381879361 70966 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or um. like. it's a little farther ouside the event horizon or something
< 1381879376 929849 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.5 times the Schwarzschild radius.
< 1381879407 780335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah
< 1381879443 442906 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Light can still escape from there, it just so happens that objects moving at speed C tangent to the black hole's event horizon are in orbit there.
< 1381879462 400099 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's neat.
< 1381879465 328820 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, at the event horizon, the only light that will escape is that pointing directly up
< 1381879469 757171 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1381879474 691828 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at the ISCO, light pointing tangentially is at the border of escaping
< 1381879478 537009 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense...
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< 1381881528 500076 :anthony2!~thony@190.60.60.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola
< 1381881552 634999 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-182.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381881692 354500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido
< 1381881695 84983 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.)
< 1381881726 140335 :anthony2!~thony@190.60.60.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola
< 1381881730 758685 :anthony2!~thony@190.60.60.34 PART :#esoteric
< 1381881839 960629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if we're included in some kind of list of "spanish" irc channels
< 1381881844 91933 :snuffeluffegus!~banana@rrcs-98-101-186-162.midsouth.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381881882 71923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we decided it's because the name starts with 'es'
< 1381881884 320728 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sî
< 1381881923 952416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but maybe there's still some autogenerated list somewhere
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< 1381882919 386333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/Speed1c.png
< 1381883032 419226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatic transmission?
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< 1381883345 848476 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, just a 14-speed internal hub gear for bicycles
< 1381883351 15588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohloff_Speedhub
< 1381883407 634084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about $1200 apparently
< 1381883623 920253 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rohloff still claim never to have had a hub fail and the greatest distance claimed for a Rohloff hub in 2009 was 145,000km"
< 1381884413 581224 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax-case is probably confusing to talk about. syntax-case isn't all there is to syntax-case, and arguably the syntax-case in the syntax-case mechanism is optional
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< 1381886152 354514 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1381887910 882196 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :never fails? for a mechanical gear? that would be impressive
< 1381888089 773402 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's impressive on its own though, that's a pretty shiny lookin diagram
< 1381888105 32221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1381888145 1955 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no external components, i guess that would help lasting
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< 1381889230 574100 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2013/10/lets-audit-truecrypt.html?showComment=1381802478312
< 1381889238 167520 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, why was showComment in that URL
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< 1381890080 824346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1381890087 442374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bought a dvd and now i remember my dvd drive doesn't work
< 1381890296 28192 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They cost like $15.
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< 1381891190 86634 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: don't you know the kanjis?
< 1381891254 790869 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 40 Gg -> pound
< 1381891266 456524 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :4000000000000000/45359237 (approx. 8.818490487395103e7)
< 1381891345 899878 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yup
< 1381891420 31289 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: can you transliterate the name taku yushihara for me? not being nipponese myself, i'm not even sure which is the family name...
< 1381891447 449465 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you even reliably make up kanji for a given name
< 1381891460 152755 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No.
< 1381891470 475721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kanji even do that??
< 1381891490 748013 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can only *guess* that that name is supposed to be Taku YUSHIHARA, rather than TAKU Yushihara.
< 1381891508 224354 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yushihara seems more last-name-ish)
< 1381891547 616542 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i want to look him up on facebook, but i don't think he used the english phonetic...
< 1381891550 641449 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :best guess?
< 1381891581 535774 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WWWJDIC doesn't have an entry for YUSHIHARA, so Imma guess it's a stupidly rare surname.
< 1381891594 806555 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case the god damned kanji could be anything.
< 1381891613 448110 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's like a dozen possible kanji for Taku.
< 1381891636 880489 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is either a given name or a family name.
< 1381891652 625720 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, without asking the person him/herself, I cannot possibly know.
< 1381891661 388983 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1381891677 868356 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese names suck.
< 1381891722 123067 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, it is nigh-impossible to map between readings and characters for names.
< 1381891734 269701 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just lossy innit
< 1381891770 794968 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never really understand when it comes up in the animes. i just assume all japanese people wear nametags
< 1381891798 551384 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean that any given reading could have multiple character choices, and any given characters could have multiple possible readings.
< 1381891846 802518 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an ambiguous typographical system
< 1381891864 142091 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that english is too much better
< 1381891918 53721 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really only quite that bad for names
< 1381891936 42861 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not impolite to ask someone how to write their name, if I remember right it's pretty common
< 1381891942 192870 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1381891976 363786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how do you write your name
< 1381891980 536270 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The normal writing system has funny weird cases where it's ambiguous, but for a competent speaker it's not a problem.
< 1381891994 253290 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pikhq"
< 1381892054 482602 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ウスタ・ヨシヤ
< 1381892056 226953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My speakers are not competent. :-( Sometimes they make clicking or buzzing noises for no obvious reason.
< 1381892065 868232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think the buzzing is software.
< 1381892107 951643 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"USUTA Yoshiya"
< 1381892126 426623 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you wriiiiite it though
< 1381892133 747131 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :With katakana?
< 1381892140 109237 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the kanji!
< 1381892146 62052 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :katakana are for like, foreiegners, maaaaan
< 1381892181 767990 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What am I, Japanese?
< 1381892192 911094 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like my animes
< 1381892237 218332 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suspects "Josiah Worcester" is way too English to be Japanese.
< 1381892261 671088 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good lord
< 1381892277 838368 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you pronounce "worcester" in the pleb way or the massachusetts way
< 1381892286 211496 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The correct way.
< 1381892296 105661 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1381892300 725953 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vaguely like "Wuhster"?
< 1381892330 716505 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :therrrrre you go
< 1381892337 202445 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always amused me that people have trouble with Worcestershire.
< 1381892339 815511 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhoticism is pleb though.
< 1381892371 39264 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that people like inserting an h in the spelling.
< 1381892377 160927 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Worchester" it is not.
< 1381892407 316718 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :
< 1381892495 240089 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can freaking spell it for people and they insert an h.
< 1381892498 705878 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh.
< 1381892508 752662 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there's people who somehow screw up my first name.
< 1381892519 864216 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C'mon, "Josiah" is not a rare name.
< 1381892533 658224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how to pronounce it.
< 1381892545 304 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joe sai ya
< 1381892632 48210 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird anglicisation of יֹאשִׁיָּהוּ
< 1381893157 342131 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1381893304 708460 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381893379 598189 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In... high school or middle school, I forget which, some librarian needed to write down my name, so I told her my name, and she asked "man?", and I thought she was asking if I was a man, so I said yes, and she wrote "Goldman"
< 1381893426 34844 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i always introduce myself as Darkness O'Corvidkill.
< 1381893834 499960 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ebikeony Darkness Raven Way
< 1381894268 211396 :Rugxulo!~user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381894419 495320 :Rugxulo!~user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1381894656 686088 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like there should be a simpler way to make polyvariadic functions
< 1381894956 311108 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-190.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381895083 188133 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-190.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1381895351 366406 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381897030 48905 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381897595 422530 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381897598 531768 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1381897809 95038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381897900 232000 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I write my name in Japanese I write using the katakana for "Aaron" and the kanji for "Black".
< 1381897926 405671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you ever write your name in other languages than English and (if applicable) your language?
< 1381897943 269043 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I write my name in Japanese.
< 1381897957 92019 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is my native language. :P
< 1381897997 995716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you do?
< 1381898026 972749 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ウスタ・ヨシヤ
< 1381898056 313095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how do i write my name in your language
< 1381898056 498419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1381898077 674424 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last name as typically transcribed by the handful of people needing to talk about Worcester, first name as it appears in Japanese Bible translations.
< 1381898089 687238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw that in the log but I forgot that is what it means
< 1381898103 546595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know how *you* write your own name.
< 1381898115 579447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/27881.html Implementing UEFI Boot to Zork
< 1381898143 341857 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes I have seen UEFI to Zork
< 1381898189 369680 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also has the nice property that my name actually fits in 6 characters and isn't hard to pronounce for Japanese people.
< 1381898219 504172 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god, I cannot imagine having a transcription of a name like "Aldwinkle" in Japanese.
< 1381898243 519001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think a more accurate interpreter than Frotz should be used; most (even Infocom's own interpreters) have errors, partially due to errors in a Z-Machine Standards Document, Infocom's own documents, and other things; even my interpreters (Fweep and Aimfiz) have what I found to be a few errors (I will fix them), despite being more accurate in general
< 1381898319 623349 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aduwinko
< 1381898334 164455 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wi is obsolete or something isn't it
< 1381898336 683680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, that is why my brother's name could fit in Super Smash Brothers Melee but not Brawl, despite Brawl allowing five letters and Melee only having four.
< 1381898341 464322 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "Arudouxinkuru"
< 1381898344 315099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes
< 1381898351 778224 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: my next band
< 1381898472 764217 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use a kanji in my name although I think usually non-Japanese people don't do that (my brother also just transliterates the sound into katakana, although I prefer to use the kanji meaning "black")
< 1381898492 594825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your brother ever in this channel
< 1381898520 316034 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so.
< 1381898668 958255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often are quit messages in the quote file?
< 1381898693 827406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep quit quotes | wc -l
< 1381898697 30229 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :15
< 1381898699 463930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 15 often
< 1381898710 861932 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: איתן
< 1381898747 91171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK
< 1381898759 279801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :trout: I don't know Hebrew writing very well.
< 1381898782 714581 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: spelt in English as Eitan
< 1381898795 24750 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381898797 244144 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :the englishified name is Ethan
< 1381898809 868951 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :pronouned as ATE a proTON
< 1381898847 84948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1381898881 585099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You are just finding if it says "quit" not necessarily if it is a quit message (although maybe part messages should also be counted, if any)
< 1381898885 252804 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:25c6:bdb0:bf91:56da QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381898901 252625 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PART :#esoteric
< 1381898901 398168 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381898918 263656 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes his part message
< 1381898962 19254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no message.
< 1381898978 13161 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: eh,
< 1381898981 159927 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try again
< 1381898982 758786 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PART #esoteric :"Overflow in /dev/null"
< 1381898984 502735 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always type in the message every time if applicable
< 1381898986 15827 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381898989 53722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always type in the message every time if applicable
< 1381898992 232185 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: apperently /cycle doesn't leave the message
< 1381898994 288636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :trout: OK it is working now
< 1381898997 940542 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :only /part then /join
< 1381899024 850640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't create a macro to automatically make part/quit messages
< 1381899035 496695 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use xchat
< 1381899042 843656 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a preference for a default message
< 1381899092 277908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK. The client I use has no such preference so it would have to be a macro; maybe some other clients also have preference for a default message, and some don't have.
< 1381899174 200011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The client I use is simple and only has a few settings (other than macros, which it also has): ANSWER, AUTOPONG, COLS, FORMAT, IDLETIMER, ROWS, SHOWTIME, and USERINFO.
< 1381899445 312559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a bit curious to know what happens in various IRC clients when you give it the command to connect without telling it what to connect to? (In some clients this might not be possible, though)
< 1381899501 849104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does Xchat do in such a case, or does it disable something in a dialog box before you type it in, or what?
< 1381899626 431672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to change your "/cycle" macro to leave the message, then?
< 1381900106 69110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell's Typeable is mostly useful when you subclass it. Isn't it?
< 1381900120 367460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is useful by itself.
< 1381900210 505621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean?
< 1381900333 561027 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean to do something like class Typeable x => XYZ x where { ... } (possibly there will be other classes mentioned before => as well) rather than using Typeable somewhere directly.
< 1381900389 849049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever used Typeable at all?
< 1381900398 877998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Data.Data.Data an example of such a typeclass
< 1381900403 117154 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(best name ever for a typeclass)
< 1381900509 653444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is something that uses it, but not the examples I was thinking of.
< 1381900524 251321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of example did you have in mind?
< 1381900547 167963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like Control.Exception.Exception and Graphics.DVI.Node
< 1381900583 291838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I figured out this kind of technique independently from them; but these kind of things would be common in mathematics and related stuff anyways)
< 1381900624 649488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Data.Data.Data does count too
< 1381900692 871416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The methods for Exception don't seem particularly meaningful)
< 1381901135 55163 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix (Data.)
< 1381901178 103653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://b.igdata.co/
< 1381901235 806621 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://heh.fi/gates/
< 1381901374 37971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1381901660 705606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the methods for Exception are used to let you do "subtyping" of exceptions
< 1381902239 822777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ah, OK yes I suppose that is what it can be useful for, you seem to be correct.
< 1381902247 342339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think of that.
< 1381902395 710962 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1381904874 1013 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1381905949 802515 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381908336 916180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"File size: . Are you sure you want to download this Corpus now?" Well, now, I'm not sure I have . space available.
< 1381908375 226827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Corpus is this and what are you downloading it from?
< 1381908434 571460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from LDC, and it's just some speech stuff.
< 1381908497 79304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it HTTP or FTP? If it is HTTP you can try a HEAD request (I did this with something else that failed to display the filesize correctly). If it is Google then a HEAD request might not work (Google has a really bad implementation of HTTP)
< 1381908555 565228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is LDC?
< 1381908575 354489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :corpus callosum
< 1381909057 286621 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to write a 1000 word essay describing a "classic publication in computer science"
< 1381909429 121420 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking about doing it on On Computable Numbers With An Application To The Entscheidungsproblem
< 1381909735 494324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good one
< 1381909752 544315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could write about _Reflections on Trusting Trust_ and its relevance to the paranoid dystopian world we live in today
< 1381909766 731880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LDC is the Linguistic Data Consortium, and it's behind a login thing, so testing with HEAD might be a bit iffy. Though I have the approximate sizes from elsewhere, so it's no big problem that this download system doesn't show them correctly.
< 1381909779 754780 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... think that may be slightly to recent to be considered classical, kmc
< 1381909878 448809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up when it was published
< 1381909880 375602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1984.
< 1381909889 347839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Depending on how widely "computer science" is interpreted there, there's also A Mathematical Theory of Communication, that's a classic too.
< 1381909982 289788 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, wow, that far back?
< 1381909991 482361 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression it was from like 2011
< 1381910002 733007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Reflections on Trusting Trust_ is barely longer than 1000 words itself.
< 1381910097 391528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure that's why the essay is secretly a review of _Glasshouse_ and a rant about the NSA
< 1381910322 54091 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one slight problem I'm having with my course is that it assumes no prior programming experience, so is teaching us all Python
< 1381910492 257136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and?
< 1381910577 565065 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That bit of the course is all very basic and going quite slowly
< 1381910792 332736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it time-consuming
< 1381910822 529324 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Four hours a week, so not too much
< 1381910946 29369 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should also include the hours spent on writing essays about stuff
< 1381910957 873710 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
< 1381910965 195820 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, in the programming module there hasn't been any of that yet but it's about to start
< 1381911000 41959 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that was different course from the essay you were writing?
< 1381911052 31348 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different module
< 1381911091 691172 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got I think 6 modules
< 1381911243 172607 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 QUIT :Quit: breakfast and then life
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< 1381912271 356008 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1381914637 114551 :Taneb!9020b372@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.179.114 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381915924 69369 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1381917198 876215 :Taneb!9020b372@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.179.114 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: did elliott want to play dwarf fortress
< 1381917233 769905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never asked
< 1381917238 41960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you just want the fort bac
< 1381917298 577942 :Taneb!9020b372@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.179.114 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not right now
< 1381917307 460099 :Taneb!9020b372@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.179.114 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm slightly in a Python practical
< 1381917362 994506 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1381928652 353595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How lovely, variables "hp" and "Hp" that serve different purposes.
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< 1381929276 758782 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it could be even more tortuous, with subtle greek and cyrillic letters mixed in.
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< 1381934528 349317 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just stumbled on a SO comment by oerjan.
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< 1381940253 171822 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone told me today there was one paper by Alan Turing that I was explicitly not allowed to write this essay on
< 1381940263 392670 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1381940264 931165 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked just now and it turns out it's the other one
< 1381940300 466612 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what paper
< 1381940310 743629 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computing Machinery and Intelligence
< 1381940318 154286 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to write my essay on On Computable Numbers, with an Application to the Entscheidungs problem
< 1381940322 831107 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that one
< 1381940343 461994 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :entscheidungsproblem is one word
< 1381940359 783950 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, yeah but I was copy-pasting it from somewhere that was wrong because I'm lazy
< 1381940360 831323 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Turing has one Paper and a bunch of papers
< 1381940477 522891 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can choose any publication within the area
< 1381940477 668241 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of computer science; the only restriction is that you cannot choose Turing’s “Computing
< 1381940477 668405 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Machinery and Intelligence” or any publication whose main topic is the Turing test.1"
< 1381940584 195059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is mentioned variables "hp" and "Hp" being different? Someone also mentioned being confusing if you mixed it with Greek, but that isn't a problem if non-ASCII characters aren't allowed in variable names (I prefer not to allow non-ASCII anywhere except comments, string literals, and character literals, and in all such cases can be any encoding following Principle of Extended ASCII; UTF-8 is one such encoding).
< 1381940610 840585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have done things where "VERSION" and "version" are two different macros.
< 1381940734 423011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The code in question seemed to have a convention that if "foo" was something, "Foo" was some processed version of it; there were more pairs like that.
< 1381940785 717037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ah, OK.
< 1381940821 292842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that can be such a convention. (In my program I had no such convention; furthermore I didn't notice I had given these things similar names until afterward)
< 1381941072 751054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also in mine they are macros, not variables, although "version" expands into something that can be used as an lvalue but never is used that way)
< 1381941157 590815 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, was this because they were sick of everyone writing essays on the turing test
< 1381941166 265708 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really sounds like it
< 1381941217 776951 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame. i'm sure they'd love my essay on ESP
< 1381941259 769964 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to write an essay this year, it sounds awful
< 1381941392 461861 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :computing machinery and intelligence isn't a very mathy paper, anyway, and presumably this is a math class
< 1381941434 835528 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it's a Computer Science class
< 1381941478 218284 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so math
< 1381941485 522671 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you doing maths with computer science or straight CS, i keep forgetting
< 1381941519 193692 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maths and CS
< 1381941524 359382 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joint
< 1381941597 458022 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it doesn't help that in warwick that's called discrete maths)
< 1381941638 826004 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you have to write an essay on a turing thing. what the heck
< 1381941703 536886 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The descrpition given why "idso" Deadfish isn't acceptable in dc, fails to mention that it is because "s" requires to put another letter afterward.
< 1381941703 846327 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy, I have to write an essay on a classic paper in computer science
< 1381941712 171373 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why
< 1381941741 124016 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's weird about reading old papers.
< 1381941756 119358 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ther'es nothing weird about reading old papers
< 1381941769 873666 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...
< 1381941771 180569 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's weird is having to write an essay about them for a cs class
< 1381941797 404678 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? it gets students to read and thin about old papers.
< 1381941809 231771 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :having students familiarise themselves with the literature on their subject of choice is indeed weird and pointless
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< 1381941910 841850 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :having... students... think?
< 1381941937 760060 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd almost think not everyone did a load of amateur study outside of university
< 1381942080 413203 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A computer science degree certifies that you have been learning the right programming languages since preschool
< 1381942113 922716 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and, in this case, also that you can write an essay
< 1381942152 85464 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the simplexity analysis paper considered classic
< 1381942175 683183 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do church's one or something, you get bonus hipster cred for that
< 1381942392 317519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about "On certain formal properties of grammars"?
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< 1381942909 127860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I just stumbled on a SO comment by oerjan. <-- i was slightly active there for a while, sadly i never properly registered, and all my points disappeared when the cookies or whatever had expired after a prolonged absense.
< 1381942932 960381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, i guess the points are still there, i just don't have access to that profile.
< 1381943035 687656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm searching for "Ørjan Johansen" gives one hit which is not me :(
< 1381943082 149501 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are otherjans on the Planet? that's shocking!
< 1381943096 660017 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, help I'm not evil enough
< 1381943096 818552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1381943102 504944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: shocking
< 1381943151 301046 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not evil enough for what?
< 1381943158 535038 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, to be a supervillain
< 1381943165 789987 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
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< 1381943222 453628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then don't be a supervillain!
< 1381943235 656864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: get a cat
< 1381943287 858031 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't like cats :(
< 1381943295 346941 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find them a bit scary
< 1381943297 346440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there's the problem.
< 1381943314 169304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you prefer rats?
< 1381943316 14589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can start with a cat facsimile.
< 1381943318 426411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, perhaps, hats?
< 1381943344 888114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think bats would also do.
< 1381943348 903144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or with some sort of a starter cat.
< 1381943351 985662 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, bats too.
< 1381943359 520426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you may then need some dental adjustment.
< 1381943395 787954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, bats _and_ rats, then we have a good basis for a supervillain.
< 1381943437 425310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need bats and rats to have a basis for a supervillain.
< 1381943444 534284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131016-starter-cat.png that's not at all what I was looking for.
< 1381943454 642455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor does it really help, but it doesn't hurt, either.
< 1381943463 442860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there are of course many possible bases.
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< 1381943494 989855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the rats in question should be plague infected.
< 1381943507 664389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, plague isn't necessary.
< 1381943606 633527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how can the arrival of your apparently unmanned ship in the harbor cause proper terror if it doesn't have plague-infested rats?
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< 1381943638 225941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we got neither a hi nor ads.
< 1381943656 85821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, there is the other way.
< 1381943674 117496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1381943693 51840 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as noises
< 1381943711 203184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you hear ghosts in the ship then maybe it might cause "proper" terror
< 1381943717 456297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. a supervillain could also be based on vats. the larger the better.
< 1381943727 642890 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about gnats?
< 1381943735 640238 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or plaits?
< 1381943754 806309 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear Stalin did very well with only secretariats!
< 1381943769 257566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, secretary is good enough.
< 1381943791 134804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i don't think plaits has the right pronunciation?
< 1381943797 648731 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :secretarian gnat-rat mutagenic hybrids. that I would be scared of.
< 1381943799 605263 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it does with my accent?
< 1381943807 486677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rats, bats, hats, cats, secretaries, computers, etc can be even if you are not a supervillain, I suppose.
< 1381943812 497573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hm i guess it's an evil accent.
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< 1381943821 685218 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well, I am British, after all
< 1381943856 454447 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid google translate. en:plait → fr:plait.
< 1381943871 258613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a good basic supervillain policy is tits for tats
< 1381943917 564056 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. apparently en:plaits is fr:tresses. much better.
< 1381943951 658644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :plait /n./ 2. †c. fig. A complication, an aberration; a quirk, a snag, a wrinkle; something obscured, concealed, or hidden away, esp. in order to mislead or deceive; a kink, a dodge, a trick. Obs.
< 1381944006 703407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand aberrations may be supervillains. Mr. Kjugobe of course excepted.
< 1381944064 991136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1589 G. Puttenham Arte Eng. Poesie iii. xxiv. 245 Oportet iudicem esse rudem & simplicem, without plaite or wrinkle, sower in looke and churlish in speach.
< 1381944072 164744 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wiktionary says "plait" can be pronounced either way
< 1381944079 356972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i noticed
< 1381944086 47268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it is possible, but so may someone else be supervillains. Mr. Kjugobe is of course excepted, but other thing can also be exception possibly.
< 1381944205 995260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am still wondering whether sir vulpus of yafgc is an exception or an example. the claims were divided.
< 1381944216 390274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the story arc isn't over yet.)
< 1381944226 920708 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: kjugobe? vulpus? yafgc?
< 1381944227 284640 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes i do gregor. he wore a different hat every fnord insanely good coder, either?)
< 1381944248 164839 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1381944254 921295 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot/Gregor otp
< 1381944255 266208 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hackish. maybe but it just looks... obese and confusing... i like watching that trace :)
< 1381944275 971470 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: spot on.
< 1381944278 147892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yafgc is a web comic (some times nsfw.) kjugobe is zzo38's d&d character, an illithid (and thus an aberration.)
< 1381944333 416904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vulpus is a character mentioned in passing in the former as part of the current arc's background story.
< 1381944348 231471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm being silly.
< 1381944411 589284 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never illithided. too much repulsion.
< 1381944443 171899 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how do you pronounce your char's name? /kjugɔbe/?
< 1381944463 627100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Kind of like that, yes.
< 1381944477 106701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually their full name is: Iuckqlwviv Kjugobe.)
< 1381944500 679211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he was a werewolf. the not entirely answered question is whether he was a very good or a very evil werewolf. although one of the sides seems to have lost a lot of believability.)
< 1381944514 546578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is he necessarily either?
< 1381944589 983066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it is of course possible that both sides exaggerated their claims.
< 1381944599 491330 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to pronounce his first name as if IPA... “juck... juckqlw *cough*...”
< 1381944660 758573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made it up using a algorithm designed to make up name by rolling a d6 and d20 dice, except that I programmed it into the TI-92 calculator instead. It is OK if the name is difficult for humanity.
< 1381944784 431349 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my paranoia character is named “Shlebesh Gurgudugurgudu”, with some random generation number stuck at the end.
< 1381944799 995107 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we lost track a long time ago, what with the multiple deaths and other mishaps...)
< 1381944813 71729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1381944836 414619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i though paranoia names were shorter than that.
< 1381944862 696781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and had a color character in the middle.
< 1381944888 751814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess that's not permanent.
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< 1381944932 966433 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's usually shortened to just “Shle”.
< 1381945134 158185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shorten my character's name to just "Kjugobe" since there isn't anyone else of that name in context.
< 1381945264 465361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the name "Gxxyuxihuvxi" is really difficult to pronounce, so I never do.
< 1381945323 310844 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead we call Gxxyuxihuvxi "the god who shall not be named because it is difficult to pronounce".
< 1381945336 380838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think it's not that hard if you do the x'es as ipa [x]
< 1381945359 430785 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.157.154 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381945386 477693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe, but I don't think that is quite the way
< 1381945391 73050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you can pronounce that sound in the first place
< 1381945699 251182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure what it is but I will look it up in Wikipedia
< 1381945792 821842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_velar_fricative
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< 1381945832 302199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is the one I found
< 1381945975 422282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like the IPA symbols; the consonants and vowels are arranged in a grid and I would use combined symbol corresponding to what row and column of the grid they would belong in, and voice/unvoice variant, etc
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< 1381946148 765799 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that may result in interesting compound characters, like labialized-pharyngealized-spirant labiodental syllabic plosive with no audible release.
< 1381946185 104094 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also known as the “PFSHSHSHHHTHTHT” sound.)
< 1381946191 132231 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.157.154 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381946201 408712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yes, allowing compounds like that too
< 1381946500 520490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i managed to recover my stackoverflow user
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< 1381946908 609372 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hell just happened to Steam? I was trying to put in some activation codes, and it was one copy and paste behind if that makes sense. Like it pasted the last code I entered before this instead. Which was bloody weeks ago. Then on the next attempt it pasted one I actually copied. And when I put in yet another code (I was adding the latest humble bundle, so there were a few to add in) it kept being one
< 1381946908 794361 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : behind.
< 1381946986 82415 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was super strange
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< 1381947088 901479 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing and IP in an X.0.0.0/8, for small values of X, always disturb me. I was thinking that Taneb came from the Ministry of Defence or something.
< 1381947201 193455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw one from 5.0.0.0/8 the other day.
< 1381947226 433268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's also where Taneb was from.
< 1381947237 251989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense, they gave it to RIPE.
< 1381947289 814937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC's 1.0.0.0/8 is even more impressive.
< 1381947316 352327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.2.3.0/24 is reserved by the "APNIC Debogon Project".
< 1381947332 226205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think 1.1.1.0/24 too.
< 1381947340 336734 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381947659 756629 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, like 8.8.8.8?
< 1381947776 260357 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381947919 819492 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that one ain't scary, it's a lucky IP.
< 1381947972 963631 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, oh? It is just googles public DNS server
< 1381947998 757508 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. they solved transient problems many times here.
< 1381948017 224780 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used it when the local unbound daemon fucked up once
< 1381948026 201889 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I run my own recursive resolver
< 1381948037 202420 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Google's DNS servers does DNSSEC does it?
< 1381948040 973428 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't last I looked
< 1381948065 772081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we can make some METAFONT program for the new kind of pronounce symbols and see what compounds are made with it?
< 1381948088 863633 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anybody outside of knuth created metafont fonts?
< 1381948109 501671 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not use xelatex and plain old TTFs?
< 1381948122 810714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yes, I have done
< 1381948134 607714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I prefer METAFONT, I think it is better than TTF
< 1381948144 586711 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, on what grounds?
< 1381948158 647118 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TTF is significantly more popular, surely there must be some reason for that
< 1381948174 199894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TTF is more popular because Windows uses it.
< 1381948223 594809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 does have a point
< 1381948231 35418 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Mac OS X. And anything based on Qt, GTK or any other modern X11 toolkit
< 1381948246 688963 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why is METAFONT better than TTF?
< 1381948276 997888 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm ignorant as to their technical merits, so maybe you can summarize them?
< 1381948326 43819 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: according to the wikipédia, google's DNS has DNSSEC.
< 1381948347 864085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, METAFONT programs can include any parameters you want to, as well as kern/ligatures, and compiling for the print device (it can include decisions as to how to make it print on that device), and you can type the program to write the font in any text editor, or even interactively
< 1381948361 189260 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, ah, it says "Since May 6 2013". Pretty sure last time I looked was maybe a year ago or so
< 1381948375 961288 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I'm feeling particularly masochistic, I sometimes try to understand how fonts in LaTeX work. never achieved that goal so far.
< 1381948420 778832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TTFs can be compiled into .TFM and .GF too though, like METAFONT can, and so can other formats perhaps.
< 1381948444 974373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : The descrpition given why "idso" Deadfish isn't acceptable in dc, fails to mention that it is because "s" requires to put another letter afterward. <-- well i suppose they only need one reason why it breaks, although you can add that if you want to.
< 1381948447 110413 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1381948475 271463 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, And TTF doesn't support arbitrary parameters?
< 1381948477 888865 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have created a font in METAFONT for chess variants, and a TeX macro package to use them (including parsing algebraic chess notation)
< 1381948517 198992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't think so; I think TTF has a fixed set of parameters and you cannot use them for whatever purpose you want to either.
< 1381948547 922218 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, Also, how does LaTeX know how to make use of all those extra parameters in METAFONT?
< 1381948556 641261 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without manually telling it to that is
< 1381948601 680787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The parameters are compiled externally and then the resulting font is given a name.
< 1381948674 268298 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that seems like a downside compared to TTF. With TTF I don't have to manually generate the font in 22pt bold italic for 600dpi. I seem to remember having to do such stuff for pre-XeLaTeX
< 1381948705 414219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, actually it usually automatically generates the fonts if needed, if the parameter file exists, which they usually do.
< 1381948738 224698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it doesn't exist, you can set the font magnification in TeX, so you don't need a parameter file for individual magnifications of a font.
< 1381948755 952782 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, If I generate a PDF I want the font to be resizable to whatever the viewer has available. It could be for printing, or displaying on a low res PC monitor. Or a high res tablet screen (my Nexus 10 tablet has 300 dpi for example)
< 1381948788 840159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVI does that doo; the rendered fonts aren't stored in the DVI, they are separate so that they can be rendered for the printer in use.
< 1381948805 942920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This also results in smaller file sizes since you don't need to store a copy of the font with each document)
< 1381948811 663908 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, So the document isn't self-contained? It needs the fonts to be distributed alongside it?
< 1381948829 93088 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems impractical
< 1381948887 523282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, although the Computer Modern fonts are generally available anyways in such case. I don't find it so impractical; I think not being self-contained like this is in fact better (although you can distribute the fonts in a .ZIP if you want to; there are also .DVI extensions to support embedded fonts but I prefer non-embedded fonts)
< 1381948994 670103 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I generally prefer PDF because I know it will look exactly the same everywhere, and everyone can open it.
< 1381949002 28238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :METAFONT also makes the fonts much easier to modify.
< 1381949008 204922 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1381949014 891156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, and I find that to be exactly the problem; not everyone has the same model of printer!
< 1381949017 19654 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never felt the need of it
< 1381949039 301955 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Causing it to look worse on some printers.
< 1381949053 673811 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? You mean colour matching or such?
< 1381949063 293420 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that up to ICC profiles?
< 1381949086 331924 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean DPI, aspect ratio, ink thickness, and a few other related things.
< 1381949090 16904 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I don't embed bitmap fonts in the PDFs, surely it will scale properly
< 1381949111 406462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it will scale better than bitmap fonts do, at least
< 1381949125 55657 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, paper aspect ratio varies yes, but isn't that fixed in the DVI?
< 1381949126 150959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't necessarily mean it will scale properly, though.
< 1381949132 448308 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is either US Letter or A4
< 1381949140 669751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean pixel aspect ratio
< 1381949144 629505 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah okay
< 1381949303 979312 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, METAFONT and Plain TeX and DVI and whatever will continue to work in the same way fifty years from now, but the Lua-pdf-e-XeLaTeX probably won't work anymore because they will replace it with something else which is a bit similar but really different.
< 1381949364 980584 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doubt it, PDF is a standard nowdays. There is even an archival format of PDF
< 1381949375 9431 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A
< 1381949501 704736 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, font linking mentioned right there
< 1381949511 287388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe PDF/A might work, but not necessarily quite the same way, and source files may not work either (some old C source files already fail to work). And then you need LaTeX packages and stuff, resulting in even more confusion. But I think METAFONT, Plain TeX, and DVI will continue to work in fifty years without any difficulties.
< 1381949531 64010 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yes PDF supports it, but it is deprecated nowdays iirc
< 1381949856 109789 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the iceweasel say?
< 1381949869 760454 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :honk
< 1381949871 884739 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, with regards to what?
< 1381950040 339777 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone use JPEG 2000?
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< 1381950880 24876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Movie theatres, AIUI.
< 1381950901 212057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Typical" digital movie distribution formats have each frame encoded as a JPEG2k image.
< 1381950906 288868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or so I've heard from somewhere, anyway.
< 1381950989 764402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Digital Cinema Initiatives (DCI), a joint venture of the six major studios, published the first version (V1.0) of a system specification for digital cinema in July 2005. -- Briefly, the specification calls for picture encoding using the ISO/IEC 15444-1 "JPEG2000" (.j2c) standard and use of the CIE XYZ color space at 12 bits per component encoded with a 2.6 gamma applied at projection. Two ...
< 1381950995 763209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... levels of resolution for both content and projectors are supported: 2K (2048×1080) or 2.2 MP at 24 or 48 frames per second, and 4K (4096×2160) or 8.85 MP at 24 frames per second."
< 1381950999 825282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go.
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< 1381951237 126241 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowwww, CIE is old
< 1381951271 936914 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the oldest, in fact
< 1381951351 638214 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :International Commission on Illumination (CIE)
< 1381951428 749790 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the XYZ colorspace, i mean
< 1381951430 161787 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :1931!
< 1381951451 147269 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, that's a year
< 1381951453 591772 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love django.
< 1381951465 355885 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I love django.
< 1381951472 279112 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1120) I love django.
< 1381951476 390985 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many quotes about django is that now
< 1381951497 746856 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :one that doesn't have me in it! \o/
< 1381951498 104303 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |
< 1381951498 458663 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /|
< 1381951507 284933 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, an aligned body for once.
< 1381951516 349938 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we all speaking about the same django? I was refering to the Python framework here.
< 1381951532 166471 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381951596 965033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking a django was a type of dog
< 1381951600 772334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess that's a dingo
< 1381951602 868817 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1381951643 425987 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ooh, an aligned body for once. <-- quite
< 1381951660 933902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :django is a type of reinhardt
< 1381951672 797577 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was a movie as well?
< 1381951692 827739 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last few years iirc
< 1381951699 313849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I recall someone telling me CIE 1931's frequency response curves are... not very good, physiologically speaking, according to more accurate, post-1931 measurements.
< 1381951700 603038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1381951721 507683 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i know nothing about colorspaces :( which is probably bad since i'm interested in perception psychology
< 1381951748 711664 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: of course their curves aren't good. the world was in black and white back then!
< 1381951751 986035 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, What about the Lab colorspace?
< 1381951752 131465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: you can increase the alignment by changing to a 6-character nick
< 1381951752 891099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: There's also CIE 1960, CIE 1964 and CIE 1976; they keep doing it over.
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< 1381951815 863541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's CIE 1976, I think. It does perceptual uniformity better, but it's still just a nonlinear compression over CIE XYZ, which means it has the same underlying curves, AFAIK.
< 1381951830 501046 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1381951847 982573 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so what is a good colour space then? That covers the entire vision I mean
< 1381951854 989089 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think the most common illuminant used in Lab is D65, which was added in '67.
< 1381951869 395699 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I guess none of the RGB ones are very good?
< 1381951888 728601 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :man. i don't think i even understand what a color space is.
< 1381951893 771599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The one where you store actual spectrum vectors, presumably.
< 1381951914 30113 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :My monitors at work can do 10-bit Adobe RGB btw. Not sure if my GPU there supports that though. Wide gamut can be interesting.
< 1381951925 350575 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that exists?
< 1381951990 996375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I guess that's a matter of definition. It doesn't exist in any sort of colorspace you could get a regular computer to use, but certainly astronomers and the like use spectroscopes of all kinds.
< 1381952020 849452 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i hook a spectroscope to my computer to play Half Life 2 HDR
< 1381952060 133124 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, what about?
< 1381952062 6391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the inverse of a spectroscope (a projector that can reproduce a desired spectrum) is called.
< 1381952070 437317 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what?
< 1381952080 318506 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1381952159 369145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I'm not sure if those really exist.
< 1381952195 514190 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it would be hard to make
< 1381952225 823530 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :google is no help on that subject :(
< 1381952235 850948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think you start with a full-spectrum light source, split it up with something prismatic, put a variable-intensity filter (any old LCD) and then put the frequencies back again.
< 1381952239 858643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some lenses may be involved.
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< 1381952249 936238 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrometer ?
< 1381952260 904924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That's the wrong direction.
< 1381952275 865836 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a backwards spectrometer, olsner.
< 1381952294 617886 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse "spectrometer"
< 1381952295 562343 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "retemortceps"
< 1381952301 588828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds serious.
< 1381952312 391075 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think some genera of spiders have those
< 1381952325 88259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invariably fatal, I'm sure.
< 1381952338 710751 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, and it's hard for the spiders' families
< 1381952368 203228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I suppose the retemortceps has less obvious uses than a spectrometer.
< 1381952454 963227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381952472 112199 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :did "(a projector that can reproduce a desired spectrum)" refer to the thing you were looking for, or the spectroscope?
< 1381952488 579493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google is indeed no real help, though "Relativistic Positron Creation Using Ultra-Intense Short Pulse Lasers" is a pretty impressive title.
< 1381952488 766865 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing being looked for
< 1381952509 517232 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :will keep in mind when i need positrons
< 1381952517 917193 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I was looking at that page and thinking "yeah, this is the inverse of a projector that can reproduce a spectrum"
< 1381952521 849356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can never have too many positrons.
< 1381952530 92880 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://babele.tesionline.it/babele/testo.jsp?id=58169 ← some... article, maybe? something about ypocsortceps.
< 1381952563 406279 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe such a thing would be useful for visual system physiology studies
< 1381952584 304832 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: haha what the hell
< 1381952606 773508 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't know. I really don't know.
< 1381952624 94806 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a test of a "grab a webpage and reverse it" thing...
< 1381952643 400634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. There's "Agile Spectrum Imaging: Programmable Wavelength Modulation for Cameras and Projectors".
< 1381952658 102217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to have some wavelength masking abilities.
< 1381952659 45574 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is the positronic yield of a reverse spectroscopic arachnoid?
< 1381952659 223451 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that way, exactly... i'd have said quebecois myself, but that looks less like sql :p)
< 1381952684 733825 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: si t'insistes sur le québécois, ça te dérangerais-tu d'explique de quossé qui se passe?
< 1381952684 941731 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm usually writing code to get at the procedure's fnord
< 1381952693 990260 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dirty
< 1381952701 586323 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Search for the Quintessential Fnord.
< 1381952770 192206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/OYfa I guess that's at least somewhat close.
< 1381952777 913186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also: rainbow plane.)
< 1381952807 774572 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the best mario kart levels tbh
< 1381952841 644879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://proceedings.spiedigitallibrary.org/proceeding.aspx?articleid=1262930 <-- oh, there we go.
< 1381952901 44630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To get back to the initial comment, apparently "hyperspectral image projector" is the term I was looking for.
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< 1381952944 517098 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's pretty wizard lookin'.
< 1381952977 115690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1024x768 pixels and 2-5nm spectral resolution for the 450-2400nm range, that sounds pretty impressive.
< 1381953000 164891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also: "supercontinuum".)
< 1381953120 271132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Article doesn't mention anything about playing Half Life on it.
< 1381953151 878765 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bullshit
< 1381953181 755067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131016-hyperspectral-projector.png oh, it's that simple?
< 1381953256 613157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reasonably happy that my guess about how you'd go around making one was actually pretty accurate, except for substituting a micromirror thing in place of a LCD filter.
< 1381953316 107854 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply integrating sphere the eigenspectra into abundance images
< 1381953345 568099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, yes, they also made a 2D image out of it without using W*H copies of the entire device.
< 1381953348 558677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow.
< 1381953368 317723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the Spatial Engine. But the Spectral Engine looks right.
< 1381953450 297799 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, isn't the W*H issue solved by the phrase "within the integration time"? Basically they don't do it all at once?
< 1381953454 70533 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did I miss something
< 1381953469 6073 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That image didn't make a lot of sense to me though
< 1381953517 164915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's slightly more complicated than just passing a variable-spectrum beam over the pixels.
< 1381953527 941128 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly
< 1381953546 713324 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is one hell of a complicated prism setup though
< 1381953616 443152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When the spectral engine is coupled to the spatial engine to make the full HIP, the spectrally-programmed light globally illuminates the 1024x768 pixels of the spatial engine DMD. Gray scale at this DMD enables realistic 2-dimensional images to be displayed, as in conventional projectors. The difference here is that the time-integrated spectra projected from each spatial engine DMD pixel can ...
< 1381953634 90824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... be individually controlled, using a compressive projection algorithm described previously, enabling projection of realistic spatial/spectral image cubes into sensors under test [2]."
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< 1381953659 874813 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how?
< 1381953671 946975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I want to go and see what [2] is.
< 1381953680 19820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a bit of a summary here.
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< 1381953690 715835 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay?
< 1381953693 144107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it goes into component eigenspectra and abundance images pretty soon.
< 1381953703 462458 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do those words even mean?
< 1381953775 493903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell, it's pretty much just that it generates K (optimally selected) spectra and K corresponding greyscale images, giving that way individual per-pixel weights for each K spectra.
< 1381953810 877200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you'd have just pixels with two spectra in the image, you'd get those two (at different times) out of the spectral engine, and a black-and-white picture (and its inverse) in the spatial engine.
< 1381953834 202028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's done fast enough so that it falls in the "integration time of the sensor", so that it just sees the weighted sums.
< 1381953860 939175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would probably work just fine for a human eye too.
< 1381953887 989651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though if it's your eye, this part sounds potentially uncomfortable: "A sensor under test is focussed at infinity with its optical axis co-aligned with the HIP output collimator --"
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< 1381954047 557600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also apparently that's how DLP projectors do color images these days too, there's a rapidly cycling RGB filter in front of the light source and then for each color the mirror is set to have that color component of the image, so that they blend together.
< 1381954051 591313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this is pretty much the same thing, except instead of fixed R,G,B primaries, it can generate an arbitrary amount of optimal spectra to reproduce the original.
< 1381954161 180338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I still haven't figured out what a "supercontinuum-based spectral engine" is.)
< 1381954179 988851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So far it doesn't seem to be related to the CH.)
< 1381954326 17886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's the oldest way to do color with DLP
< 1381954362 300863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay, you can also do three chips at the same time.
< 1381954394 110908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that you mention it, I do remember I knew this already.
< 1381954402 661638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's how the more expensive ones work now
< 1381954421 729655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also use a rapidly changing LED or laser light source, which is like the color wheel but faster so less distracting
< 1381954427 391175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I kind of like the rainbow artifacts myself :)
< 1381954440 728452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In optics, a supercontinuum is formed when a collection of nonlinear processes act together upon a pump beam in order to cause severe spectral broadening of the original pump beam."
< 1381954496 134168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's just a way to get a flat and wide spectrum out.
< 1381954531 606954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"severe spectral broadening" reminds me of "severe tire damage"
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< 1381954544 468170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The number of mirrors corresponds to the resolution of the projected image (often half as many mirrors as the advertised resolution due to wobulation)."
< 1381954549 407607 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, of course, the wobulation
< 1381954552 245573 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's appropriate, since both end up with a flat.
< 1381954567 437608 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck wobulation
< 1381954567 729564 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wobulation is a term which refers to the known variation (or wobble) in a characteristic.
< 1381954572 421276 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1381954580 85171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Stop wobulating.
< 1381954580 400734 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: until well into it in pure python? i've written a few scripts for the darcs repository
< 1381954593 182012 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fungot. how in fungot is that a real word?
< 1381954593 444787 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: tommo it depends on? ( re ' i have never heard of
< 1381954600 669007 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: me neither.
< 1381954600 949230 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: my point was that if you listen to _me_? going to be interesting
< 1381954609 875007 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: go ahead.
< 1381954610 94000 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no ei kovin :dd mit vittua :dd then i might be fnord.
< 1381954630 438487 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd, finnish, and fnords. no way I'm going to follow that procedure.
< 1381954632 614676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'll wash your mouth with soap if you keep using that sort of language, young bot!
< 1381954632 823152 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: shivers wrote the srfi...
< 1381954670 885589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The middle part is pretty much "what the fuck".
< 1381954796 678080 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely, we don't have any standardized wtf. only «[RANDOM EXPLETIVE] c'est quoi ça?».
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< 1381954903 620748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source:
< 1381954909 536966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :<[redacted]> suddenly [redacted] and fiz were there too and [redacted] drow to the garden with a car. he said to me "[translating from Finnish: what the FUCK are you doing here so early?]" (usually it's just "[translating: what the FUCK are you doing here?") and i said with a slightly ironic tone "there's suitable company for you here, nutcases escaped from a lunatic asylum." he was like "yeah ...
< 1381954915 585414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... i know about that".
< 1381954920 729806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :<[redacted]> he tried to communicate something to fiz with lip movements so that i wouldn't understand but i did.
< 1381954924 92212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :<[redacted]> then one of the lunatics stabbed him and in a way they also stabbed me, it was like we were united. fiz and [redacted] tried to escape with a car (not [redacted]'s car but another one) and leave me there but i got into the car. don't know why [redacted] was left behind.
< 1381954986 864591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, I should've given some pseudo-identifiers to all those [redacted]s.
< 1381954998 420448 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did redacted have a dream with you and redacted in it
< 1381955012 875137 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :censorship titillates me.
< 1381955015 129269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was the case.
< 1381955089 185662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, me and redacted and redacted too.
< 1381955115 500753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would probably write that as "<▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒> suddenly ▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒ and fiz were there too and ▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒"
< 1381955117 116030 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh... Nordic Redacted Ménage à Trois! sexy.
< 1381955120 840932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ♥ box drawing characters
< 1381955186 457738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"░▒▓████▓▒░ and ░▒▓████▓▒░"
< 1381955322 991680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▗▘▀▖ ▌ ▗ ▖▖ ▌▖▖▄ ▖▖▝ ▄ ▗▖
< 1381955323 174340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▚ ▝▖ ▛▖▌▌▞▖ ▞▌▛ ▄▌▙▌▐ ▌▌▚▌ ▘▀ ▀ ▝ ▘▘ ▝▘▘ ▀▘▀▘▝ ▘▘▄▘
< 1381955326 228747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FDSAFSDF
< 1381955332 976471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the irssi line combining thing.
< 1381955359 210038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▜▘ ▗▖▖▖▗▖▌ ▄ ▟▖ ▟▖▌ ▝ ▗▖
< 1381955359 394170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▐ ▘▖▌▌▌ ▙▘ ▄▌▐ ▐ ▛▖▐ ▘▖
< 1381955359 394335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▀▘ ▀ ▝▘▝▘▘▘ ▀▘ ▘ ▘▘▘▝ ▀
< 1381955380 727101 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/exec -o toilet indeed
< 1381955405 953279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was "rfk86ize.pl".
< 1381955424 985260 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1381955427 452022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made that 4x6 pixel font for rfk86, it sort of goes well with the 2x2 blockery.
< 1381955470 382953 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There’s a setting for the line combining thing.
< 1381955494 752116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lombininging
< 1381955501 771264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Maybe I should disable it completely, because I don't remember the last time it was actually useful. (Though the paste detection does usually work.)
< 1381955511 63165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it do the line combining thing anyway......
< 1381955527 367896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's for pasting from the backscroll, I believe.
< 1381955561 579237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise line-wrapped comments turn out real ugly.
< 1381955566 532000 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If i, say, copy certain two lines from my buffer to the clipboard, i’ll get:
< 1381955568 496833 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ke233142 fizzie ion: Maybe I should disable it completely, because I don't
< 1381955570 485907 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : remember the last time it was actually useful. (Though the
< 1381955577 631390 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The functionality is a kluge for detecting that.
< 1381955585 341218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1381955592 45164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes ense.
< 1381955595 169248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sense.
< 1381955597 61214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1381955606 957754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uffering from s hortage
< 1381955615 548167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fun fact: Unicode blockifying script located with a find . -iname '*.pl' -print0 | xargs -0 grep '▚' since I didn't remember where I put it.)
< 1381955636 286494 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :find -iname '*.pl' -exec grep '▚' '{}' '+'
< 1381955642 105193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you have to figure out how to type ▚
< 1381955657 736244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had gucharmap already open for ░▒▓█.
< 1381955662 367911 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep '▚' **/*.pl
< 1381955684 154601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Too fancy by far.
< 1381955704 614018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Will that run multiple grep processes if there are too many files to fit on one command line?
< 1381955745 537644 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: haha
< 1381955759 887260 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. It will also just skip directories it can’t read.
< 1381955782 783628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even seem to work. Is it a non-bash thing?
< 1381955797 499573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1381955803 629980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a zsh thing in ion's case.
< 1381955808 107606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1381955818 379619 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :3╻ ╻╻
< 1381955819 833455 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :┣━┫┃
< 1381955821 871545 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :╹ ╹╹
< 1381955823 812256 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw
< 1381955829 533700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ion seems like the sort of person who'd use zsh.)
< 1381955830 812768 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't work as well as I hoped it would
< 1381955832 112241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm relieved other people fail as much as I do.
< 1381955883 414928 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excluding shachaf. He never fails.
< 1381955902 925867 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :He fails at failing, though.
< 1381955920 739939 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty bad
< 1381955923 67944 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe good
< 1381955929 803353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote cmccann shachaf
< 1381955929 948447 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmccann says: < cmccann> shachaf: nobody will associate with someone who breaks the monoid laws! < shachaf> cmccann: That's why I go by a secret identity.
< 1381955939 902989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote cmccann shachaf
< 1381955940 48262 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmccann says: < cmccann> shachaf: nobody will associate with someone who breaks the monoid laws! < shachaf> cmccann: That's why I go by a secret identity.
< 1381955942 845319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote cmccann shachaf
< 1381955942 990566 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmccann says: < cmccann> shachaf: nobody will associate with someone who breaks the monoid laws! < shachaf> cmccann: That's why I go by a secret identity.
< 1381955944 231811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1381955950 381515 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote cmccann shachaf
< 1381955950 526855 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmccann says: some people blame themselves, some people blame the language, but the people who really know what they're doing blame shachaf.
< 1381955964 824946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are those the only two cmccann shachaf quotes?
< 1381955989 303280 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwah ah ah! useless xmodmapping! I now can directly input ░▒▓█!
< 1381955992 13298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like most of cmccann's time is spent coming up with things to say about me.
< 1381956004 322369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :╮╷┯
< 1381956004 467561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :┝┥│
< 1381956004 467731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :┘╵┷
< 1381956025 359061 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: chicken of the sea
< 1381956028 93304 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1381956058 25631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiny
< 1381956102 581572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how you're supposed to connect the diagonal box drawings to anything else, though.
< 1381956156 71182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :me either
< 1381956237 213803 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381956258 430388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do something like http://sprunge.us/SYCW I guess but that's it.
< 1381956272 598785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also it renders clunky here.)
< 1381956342 863303 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It renders somewhat well-ish here.
< 1381956367 372139 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Xes suck
< 1381956442 753732 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://heh.fi/tmp/fizzie-x.png
< 1381956462 740913 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up with your font rendering thingies?
< 1381956478 744773 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/NxHHzeN.png
< 1381956490 950983 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the bottom part is a bit ugly for me
< 1381956510 944370 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or fonts
< 1381957138 701241 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381957139 910031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1381957153 608339 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1381957261 279573 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: uh? looks perfect
< 1381957542 655688 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: here's a zoomed-in not-very-pretty screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/EGMcaXx.png
< 1381957573 418506 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :something's weird with the bottom, but it's not as if it's very noticeable
< 1381957605 343622 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't get your problem
< 1381957867 940213 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1381958173 477111 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://radar.oreilly.com/2013/10/announcing-biocoder.html i can't stop laughing
< 1381958444 146708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get what ion got.
< 1381958468 501316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have what fizzie's having
< 1381958486 750122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: The bottom is supposed to be a solid line without those per-each-character-cell discontinuities.
< 1381959108 259715 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:fce6:53b2:70ce:8bca QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381959211 257044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 gcc 4.7.2 doesn't warn me about "if ((x == 4) && (y = 0))" being always false, even with -Wall -Wextra -O3
< 1381959211 442085 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1381959256 45719 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :matlab's lint warns about assignment in conditionals, which is... nice considering, i guess
< 1381959332 745168 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:fce6:53b2:70ce:8bca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381959584 793283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it always?
< 1381959643 271199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-Wtype-limits: Warn if a comparison is always true or always false due to the limited range of the data type, but do not warn for constant expressions. For example, warn if an unsigned variable is compared against zero with ‘<’ or ‘>=’. This warning is also enabled by -Wextra."
< 1381959681 267502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that there was also a "warn for constant expressions" warning with some extra heuristics to not warn for e.g. while (1), but apparently not.
< 1381959713 39016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that a majority (?) of do...while loops in C are do { ... } while (0);
< 1381959718 551790 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great language feature
< 1381959758 928075 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which, why do C macros use do { ... } while (0) instead of just a plain block { ... } ?
< 1381959775 689637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Because of semicolon problems.
< 1381959788 202530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Consider if (x) MACRO(); else bar;
< 1381959800 327280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Would expand to if (x) { ... }; else bar; which is a syntax error.
< 1381959800 472443 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1381959856 391686 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1381959915 976962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also the if (1) { ... } else variant which works correctly in the absence of any errors, but quietly does bad things if someone accidentally drops the semicolon after the macro. (Because the next statement will then end up in the else branch.)
< 1381959931 216668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes
< 1381959959 42766 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the if/else variant
< 1381959979 471190 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't ever use it though
< 1381959982 244979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: *Can* you assign in a conditional, in MATLAB?
< 1381959993 889930 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so
< 1381959999 831037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://sprunge.us/QBWB
< 1381960012 703727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though possibly there are more subtle ways.
< 1381960026 475463 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about "if (x = 1)"
< 1381960031 13687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No go.
< 1381960036 204044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Identical results.)
< 1381960040 312300 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that error doesn't look like "no assignments in a conditional", i mean
< 1381960054 301916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know, MATLAB and errors.
< 1381960058 849798 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh.
< 1381960070 245226 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, you know, MATLAB and anything"
< 1381960078 718229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just under the impression that assignment was a statement and not an expression in MATLAB.
< 1381960105 542299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"x = 1 + (y = 2)" is equally "not a valid target for an assignment".
< 1381960113 875602 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in octave i get "warning: suggest parenthesis around assignment used as truth value" and the display happens.
< 1381960125 396794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Octave's more modern.
< 1381960129 165951 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:fce6:53b2:70ce:8bca QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381960140 971932 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...in that it allows assignment in conditional?
< 1381960146 366786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some subscripting things you can also do in Octave that need an assignment to a temporary in MATLAB.
< 1381960156 792522 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:fce6:53b2:70ce:8bca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381960203 748820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare e.g. http://sprunge.us/dKEQ
< 1381960215 238363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably Octave's behaving better there.
< 1381960246 283141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some way of writing the subscripting in MATLAB "inline" too, but it wasn't nice.
< 1381960313 436592 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, i don't even want to think about first class functions in the damn language
< 1381960327 238858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're p. bad too.
< 1381960456 848119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, of course: subsref(f(4),struct('type','()','subs',{{1}}))
< 1381960463 333435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the equivalent of Octave f(4)(1).
< 1381960470 946850 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lab codebase apparently won't work in octave, just stays where it is for an hour and running. so ugh
< 1381960490 691739 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's after finding out that octave mkdir is incompatible and fixing it.
< 1381960493 179603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("subsref" being the underlying function called for x(y) syntax.)
< 1381960745 875324 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]
< 1381960781 319808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another funny MATLAB/Octave difference: http://sprunge.us/KHNS
< 1381960785 702931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, logspace(a, b), which is normally from 10^a to 10^b, is instead from 10^a to plain b if b equals pi. In MATLAB, it tests "b == pi || b == single(pi)", while Octave *attempts* to get by with "b == pi" because in Octave the == is automatically single-precision if either side is -- but if b is of type double but with the value equal to single(pi)...
< 1381960808 656636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the christ
< 1381960814 690595 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto
< 1381960835 950648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also only the 'b' parameter, not the 'a' that has the 'is pi' special case, of course.
< 1381960838 718356 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.20 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1381960856 12317 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it even have that pi behavior
< 1381960892 772731 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "useful for digital signal processing where frequencies over this interval go around the unit circle"
< 1381960900 790292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1381960901 368643 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1381960906 437802 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonetheless, what the christ
< 1381960918 941097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone somewhere back in the misty days of history extensively used that "feature", and now they're stuck with it.
< 1381960967 355703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I'd guesstimate that at least 90% of all my logspaces have been logspace(log10(x), log10(y)) because I want logarithmically spaced points from x to y, not 10^x to 10^y.
< 1381960999 684017 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: btw, "foo = ones(x,y); [bar, baz] = find(foo == 1);" is as dumb as it looks right
< 1381961033 412001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :matlab: not even once
< 1381961057 331737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I've never even seen that construction. It seems... very MATLAB.
< 1381961064 274874 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. yes indeed
< 1381961073 47728 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hm, Rust has a feature called "once functions", I wonder if we should also have "not even once functions")
< 1381961078 499454 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably start a git branch for cleaning up shit like that for microoptimization
< 1381961091 743768 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also the other reasons to fix it)
< 1381961146 826714 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for those at home, that makes bar = a list of x indices and baz = a list of y indices, into foo, in about the least efficient way i can think of
< 1381961166 907182 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: like "gets()"?
< 1381961218 662463 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so after [foo,bar] = find(ones(2,2) == 1);, foo is [1,2,1,2] and bar is [1,1,2,2].
< 1381961225 741745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: ?
< 1381961230 509798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh heh
< 1381961242 699431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that would be a good "not even once" function :D
< 1381961247 791841 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, functions are aware of how many "out arguments" they have been provided with
< 1381961255 804891 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could go on for years and i've been doing this for two months.
< 1381961264 480951 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sorry, bad joke without context XD
< 1381961280 708810 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"provided with" rather
< 1381961299 852649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think my "intuitive" MATLAB phrasing of that would've been [bar, baz] = ndgrid(1:x, 1:y); bar = reshape(bar, [], 1); baz = reshape(baz, [], 1); if for some reason I'd've needed them as vectors.
< 1381961303 879638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm sure many would argue for [bar, baz] = ind2sub([x y], 1:x*y) instead.
< 1381961336 250061 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm reasonably sure all cases of this involve really stupid iterations over a matrix of the right size anyway, so i'll have to think of a better rewrite
< 1381961344 485481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a gut feeling that all ind2sub-y solutions are sort of "officially preferred". You see them a lot in Mathworks-provided examples.
< 1381961389 882058 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the actual code is...
< 1381961452 303266 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TnKO = ones(NAct, NTn); [iTest, jTest] = find(TnKO == 1); for iii = 1:length(jTest) ... stuff involving TnKO(:, iii) ....
< 1381961525 465946 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1381961555 606340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess TnKO is modified there somewhere? Because otherwise I guess all TnKO(:, iii)'s are the same.
< 1381961570 459149 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's assignments to zero, it's setting up TnKO.
< 1381961572 655635 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381961583 766119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Really, though. MATLAB.)
< 1381961590 919651 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup :/
< 1381961612 119264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The premier software package for technical computing.
< 1381961633 804537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: bsxfun.
< 1381961639 116747 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381961642 249309 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, man, let me check out this snippet to see if it does what i think it does.
< 1381961645 794310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got some lines that have triply nested bsxfuns.
< 1381961695 983048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SciPy has "auto-broadcasting"; if you do something with a NxM matrix and either a Nx1 or 1xM one where it'd make sense, it repeats the other automatically.
< 1381961720 472497 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok there's got to be a better way for this bit.
< 1381961743 458378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In MATLAB, you'd either repmat() the vector, or write it with bsxfun() instead, which generally has better performance but then all operators get replaced with cryptic names.
< 1381961759 597283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1381961779 216543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A/repmat(...) vs bsxfun(@mrdivide, A, ...).
< 1381961799 160470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Matrix right divide".)
< 1381961816 310933 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TnKO = rand(...), [iTest, jTest] = find(TnKO <= TnFraction); TnKO = zeros(...), and then it does a for loop to set the ones that were less than the fraction to one.
< 1381961864 630374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.
< 1381961887 822049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TnKO = rand(...) <= TnFraction; ?
< 1381961888 84218 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. yes. it's TnKO <= TnFraction isn't it.
< 1381961890 171844 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great.
< 1381961895 347322 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just fantastic.
< 1381961932 642515 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should compile this stuff for the daily wtf. or have they set a policy against lab code by now
< 1381961933 778309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll end up with a type-'logical' matrix out of that, instead of a type-'double' one, which theoretically could hit some corner case. :p
< 1381961986 948188 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet a logical matrix takes up less memory?
< 1381961999 178243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/IidL yes.
< 1381962016 623572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One eighth of a 'double', assuming no sparsity.
< 1381962076 394798 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i haven't even gotten into the loop that does sparse(complicated constant matrix) every loop
< 1381962194 291659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The for i = ...; a(x(i),y(i)) = K; end antipattern is, I think, somewhere in the official docs as an example that can pretty much always be replaced with a(...) = K; kind of a thing. (Sometimes involving some sub2ind.)
< 1381962221 251621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :a(sub2ind(size(a), x, y)) = K; I think.
< 1381962222 187143 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's sub2ind again
< 1381962238 128649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Takes subscripts and returns "linear indices".
< 1381962257 646823 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning, like... what.
< 1381962261 321673 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :row major index?
< 1381962280 903861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The indexing you get if you access a 2-or-more-dimensional matrix with a single subscript.
< 1381962290 112125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember which way it goes.
< 1381962296 670078 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, right.
< 1381962309 144359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's possibly a better idea to use sub2ind/ind2sub to convert, anyway.)
< 1381962322 887492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably it goes the same way as reshaping and everything else.)
< 1381962541 190496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some way of writing that sub2ind thing that involves two subscripts, but worse in terms of performance, and I can't think of it right now. (You can't just use two vectors as subscripts directly.)
< 1381962582 1129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure hope all this MATLAB knowledge will be useful some day.
< 1381962624 397576 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you use it for your job or somethin
< 1381962836 10451 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is matlab big in natural language stuff research?
< 1381962893 220698 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: MATLAB?
< 1381962893 397783 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: eval ( log 2)? how would i know that one.
< 1381962965 937143 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot just ain't got a good head for numbers
< 1381962966 135677 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i don't think i have the wrong fnord loaded, so, it might
< 1381963016 825771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: If you can call it a job.
< 1381963101 261217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's big in the field of all kinds of audio things, including speech. For more NLP-y stuff, probably not so much.
< 1381963126 110223 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1381963162 872778 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :academia?
< 1381963171 877383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1381963184 826795 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a job, just a shitty one, as far as i can tell
< 1381963213 874394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has most of the trappings of a job, that's for sure.
< 1381963225 617781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the money
< 1381963252 634321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's money, just less of it.
< 1381963276 803278 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you considered taking a part time job coaching the football team
< 1381963292 936256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we have one.
< 1381963313 475618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sports and universities don't really mix around here.
< 1381963330 171006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O
< 1381963333 484672 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a country.
< 1381963348 600857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in america universities are mostly an excuse to have football, and football is mostly an excuse to drink and have riots
< 1381963370 349967 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen like four different professors with that map of the highest paid official by state, it's hilarious
< 1381963372 127409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think the second half holds in Europe too, different meaning of "football" notwithstanding
< 1381963375 122132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1381963377 187004 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spoiler they're mostly college football coaches)
< 1381963388 151424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey some of them are college basketball coaches!
< 1381963391 561974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one or two hockey coaches
< 1381963409 637880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey does anyone here know anything about moderate-to-high-end cameras?
< 1381963425 66749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I guess the students have all kinds of sports-related organizations (they have clubs for all kinds of hobbies) but they're really very vaguely connected to the university itself.
< 1381963442 261552 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe when i'm a starving grad student i'll try to strike and establish an anarcho-syndicalist university.
< 1381963460 546594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also many of the clubs *are* an excuse to drink, no matter what their subject matter.
< 1381963462 644569 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://deadspin.com/infographic-is-your-states-highest-paid-employee-a-co-489635228 ah, here's the map. "You may have heard that the highest-paid employee in each state is usually the football coach at the largest state school. This is actually a gross mischaracterization: Sometimes it is the basketball coach."
< 1381963473 928438 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, public policy writer
< 1381963500 383496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1381963554 237898 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh none of them are hockey actually
< 1381963567 360475 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Update, June 18: We've fixed one mistake in the map, which was pointed out to us by our friends at Harper's Magazine. The highest-paid state employee in New Hampshire is now the UNH president. It's no longer the hockey coach, as we'd originally indicated"
< 1381963568 547568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1381963574 334638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1381963695 673456 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kind of curious about nevada. "med school plastic surgeon"? like, some professor that teaches how to do plastic surgery?
< 1381963966 593872 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a school that has an actual hospital like as part of the school?
< 1381963969 369595 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a surgeon who works there
< 1381963992 578398 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that's plausible, given the hospital a block away from me
< 1381964333 390443 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, here's his CV.
< 1381964366 369757 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"transparentnevada.com" lists his total pay and benefits at about 1.2 mil.
< 1381964460 895863 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :current positions , "Professor and Chief, Division of Plastic Surgery", "Director, Microsurgery and Hyperbaric Research Laboratory", bla bla, president of a few things, af ew professorships, and chairman of the surgery department.
< 1381964490 416112 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh jesus this CV is thirty pages long
< 1381964602 286955 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :next in the list of highest paid is an associate professor, which is kind of awesome. then the clark county fire chief, which makes sense since nevada
< 1381964671 920690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Bike http://nation.time.com/2013/10/16/washington-state-approves-new-rules-for-marijuana-industry/
< 1381964686 176543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The rules also aim to weed out large-scale marijuana sellers by limiting the number of licenses that anyone can hold to three."
< 1381964695 813656 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha weed.
< 1381964698 516096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol that's like the law for alcohol in massachusetts
< 1381964705 376431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think was passed by the distributors' cartel
< 1381964718 285346 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW MYSTERIOUS
< 1381964722 945478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: large-scale sellers bad, large-scale distributors fine?
< 1381964840 807661 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference exactly
< 1381964888 922950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in MA it's about the license to operate a retail liquor outlet
< 1381964907 572537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno what the law will be for weed distributors in washington (weedshington?)
< 1381964922 351325 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a distributor is like... selling it to the sellers, or what, though
< 1381964935 495522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1381964958 155922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they want to deal with a bunch of separate liquor store companies rather than the big grocery chains
< 1381964965 698986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the latter could negotiate better terms
< 1381964969 477820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also did you see http://www.thebohemianblog.com/2013/09/on-smoking-weed-in-north-korea.html ?
< 1381964976 616795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how much of this to believe tbh, but it's a pretty good story
< 1381964985 475221 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bullshit, i want weed at walmart
< 1381965010 128060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some rumor that tobacco companies are already registering trademarks for weed-based products
< 1381965030 959578 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know the war on drugs is over then :/
< 1381965057 643374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of that scene at the beginning of _Layer Cake_
< 1381965059 262065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :decent movie
< 1381965090 139378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Did you win or lose?
< 1381965102 353682 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also weed in korea is just going to make me think of https://twitter.com/Vice_Is_Hip/status/389177827524112385 then
< 1381965106 698137 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: am i a drug
< 1381965136 111620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess? Endorphins from Biking around, that sort of thing.
< 1381965178 145439 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's deep
< 1381965649 586461 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this article isg reat
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< 1381977973 577929 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks
< 1381977992 816736 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently irssi by default just doesn't use IPv6.
< 1381977993 470548 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks
< 1381978029 484869 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to actually do /set resolve_prefer_ipv6 on
< 1381978039 932370 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh.
< 1381978051 907838 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does so. why not.
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< 1381978061 395403 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That explains why I'm connected to Freenode via IPv4 right now.
< 1381978085 290173 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my ISP runs 6rd, so)
< 1381978735 489912 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a favorite Foundation Tails author now
< 1381978735 943287 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scp-wiki.net/foundation-tales
< 1381978739 813465 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dmatix
< 1381978779 74913 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far have read Quiet Days, The Price We Pay, and Empty Nights
< 1381979353 773052 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/87v98vB.jpg utah, the dullest state
< 1381980300 365110 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one minds if I laugh at Chicken Schemers, right? (I think it's partially I've made up some kind of imaginary rivalry in my mind, but I did see an argument by someone that makes no sense if I understand things properly)
< 1381980363 887929 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, someone on Lambda-The-Ultimate said the same thing I was going to
< 1381980364 655434 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mother is a chicken schemer you bigoted piece of shit
< 1381980368 745424 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/2753
< 1381980376 917043 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For example, he suggests that the relation between syntax-case and syntax is unhygenic, which is untrue."
< 1381980429 91893 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was wondering about that
< 1381980430 347523 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because this use
< 1381980430 493071 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of SYNTAX occurs lexically inside the (swap! a b) pattern,
< 1381980430 493276 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instances of A and B in the syntax template hygienically
< 1381980431 694075 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :refer to those parameters of the macro. If you moved the
< 1381980433 911062 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYNTAX to a helper function it would break. "
< 1381980447 214268 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting
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< 1381980466 502032 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's exactly what lexical scoping is about, isn't it? If you move a raw lambda form into a function when the lambda was making a closure, that would break too
< 1381980531 820658 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reconnect in the name of actually using IPv6.
< 1381980539 658970 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's a Racket dev who said that on ltu
< 1381980549 781221 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, 2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d
< 1381980555 249521 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are we laughing at racketeers now or what
< 1381980598 691144 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to have up to date information on which programming language is a laughable sin.
< 1381980609 76345 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with Racketeers on this. If I'm laughing at Racketeers, it's probably at their trying to defend against claims that they've complicated the language with the way they've done keyword arguments
< 1381980630 904792 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this just seems so boring.
< 1381980638 364242 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could argue about whether zebrafish can feel pain.
< 1381980641 924511 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think so?
< 1381980674 704527 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have fun with vacuous statements, but for all I know there could actually exist something called 'zebrafish'
< 1381980689 844854 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zebrafish do, in fact, exist.
< 1381980690 987178 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...there is, dude.
< 1381980709 317186 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no need to make up fish species. there are a lot and there are some pretty crazy ones, eg sunfish.
< 1381980718 716474 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like it would be the name of an animal on Avatar: The Last Airbender
< 1381980730 897770 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "catfish"?
< 1381980768 202168 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sunfish2.jpg Blaaaaa I am as big as your car
< 1381980775 821617 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need racket like a zebrafish needs Bike
< 1381980792 266902 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racketfish?
< 1381980794 423466 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chickenfish?
< 1381980815 779095 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do work in a lab that maintains zebrafish...
< 1381980826 120579 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what a racket"
< 1381980843 584478 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good news, no species called chickenfish.
< 1381980861 312944 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll just have to stick with tuna.
< 1381980982 48420 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't tuna fish
< 1381980996 832934 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read a neat paper on the tuning of fish once.
< 1381981002 439235 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cave fish don't have circadian frequencies.
< 1381981046 270628 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would they synchronize them with? i think that's kinda a no brainer
< 1381981075 383134 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's the interesting thing, you can establish something of a frequency if you feed them at regular intervals.
< 1381981106 666330 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the wild, they dont feed on any schedule
< 1381981118 43716 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1381981121 138462 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, they require tuning.
< 1381981156 548376 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1381982163 129786 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :
< 1381982815 818277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be better if this was the setup to a really complex tuna fish joke, rather than being the discussion after a boring one
< 1381982866 360361 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't got anything better than "so, you can tuna fish, under certain circumstances" which is a pretty shit joke.
< 1381982870 734454 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fish is from somalia. is that humorous?
< 1381982889 821948 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hion
< 1381982903 786136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ion hi]
< 1381982918 535651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see my hopeless attempt with RULES a while ago
< 1381982977 489336 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I saw you mention it but didn’t see it.
< 1381983191 133066 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1381983198 409932 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1381983261 671511 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo!
< 1381983281 596132 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi!
< 1381983296 350044 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wassup
< 1381983303 398162 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much
< 1381983326 998226 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was reminded of this place when in my programming class i was given free time to program with anything, and i decided to teach myself befunge
< 1381983340 669173 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i went "Oh yeah, #esoteric!" and came online
< 1381983353 874866 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome drlemon
< 1381983360 500 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, wait.
< 1381983361 261797 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :05drlem05on: Welco13me to the international hub06 for eso02teri06c progra03mming la05nguage des14ig10n and07 dep07loyment! F03or 04more information, c11heck out our05 wiki08: http06:/13/esolangs03.org/wiki/Main_P14ag04e. (08For t06he ot04her08 kind o02f10 esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.13ne13t.)
< 1381983362 208026 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rwelcome
< 1381983368 628014 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: rwelcome: not found
< 1381983372 520323 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr.
< 1381983383 154468 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin | grep come
< 1381983384 448371 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got that before. This is my 3rd time here, each time i've been welcomed
< 1381983385 125108 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ozcome \ relcome \ rwlcome \ welcome \ welcome \ welcome13 \ wercome
< 1381983394 35186 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rwlcome
< 1381983396 658056 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :8Welcome 9to 2the 13international 6hub 4for 7esoteric 8programming 9language 2design 13and 6deployment! 4For 7more 8information, 9check 2out 13our 6wiki: 4http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. 7(For 8the 9other 2kind 13of 6esoterica, 4try 7#esoteric 8on 9irc.dal.net.)
< 1381983398 662430 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid name.
< 1381983421 708638 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel so rwlcomed
< 1381983498 470296 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'welcome13
< 1381983498 642454 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't rwlcome you. I just rwlcomed in general. Don't be presumptuous.
< 1381983512 313572 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Sorry, geez! :P
< 1381983548 865606 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: (if that was sarcasm, i do not sarcasm good)
< 1381983563 56959 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was joking. you can presume i am welcoming you if you want to.
< 1381983614 705676 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not the kind of guy who takes sarcasm good. I deal it out, but i suck at being on the receiving end.
< 1381983651 541771 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i taught myself the basics of befunge
< 1381983722 146452 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1381983722 331969 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
< 1381983972 356558 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened there
< 1381983983 743929 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fungot's source. in befunge.
< 1381983983 938042 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i'm not sure whether or not a uri then? ( letrec ( ( p q))
< 1381983993 506325 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither, man, me neither.
< 1381984000 288731 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool
< 1381984018 534233 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish there was a mac brainfuck interpreter that didn't have me messing around with C
< 1381984337 48648 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ozcome
< 1381984339 832268 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :4Welcome 7to 8the 9international 2hub 13for 6esoteric 4programming 7language 8design 9and 2deployment! 13For 6more 4information, 7check 8out 9our 2wiki: 13http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. 6(For 4the 7other 8kind 9of 2esoterica, 13try 6#esoteric 4on 7irc.dal.net.)
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< 1381987020 212858 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`jrypbzr drlemon
< 1381987021 474310 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: jrypbzr: not found
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< 1381989629 34135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a rot13'd welcome?
< 1381989641 175134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why do we have so many stupid welcome variants anyway?
< 1381991299 988183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because we are friendly and affable?
< 1381991307 621755 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1381991544 14909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind sensible welcome variants
< 1381991547 597711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the stupid ones I object to
< 1381991556 600632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, welcoming someone in rot13 isn't really even a welcome
< 1381991575 215043 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only use informative, hand-crafted welcomes.
< 1381991650 83652 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :artisinal small-batch
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< 1381991824 158573 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
< 1381992133 515515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i have a Chromecast but nothing with hdmi input
< 1381992220 755867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could hack it to stream the output over wifi too.
< 1381992231 126464 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1381992439 310058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect my employer wouldn't be too happy about that
< 1381992494 850851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like having time enough at last to read all the books in the world, but then your glasses break?
< 1381992548 762505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :joke's on you, i take my glasses off to read anyway
< 1381992567 79275 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O:
< 1381992587 255206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ꙭ
< 1381992721 408697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it's possible to register ꙭ.рф
< 1381992848 981249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know .טעסט is a tld
< 1381992877 172094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1381992880 884237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatsit mean
< 1381992891 403927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's yiddish for "test"
< 1381992905 984805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway transliterated it would be "test"
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< 1381994481 494038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Continuing the "best MATLAB code" series, here's what I just came across: eval(['fid=fopen(flist',num2str(nlist),',''r'');']);
< 1381994509 259196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pro
< 1381994553 795740 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaah.
< 1381994559 444557 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the quotes with r actually work
< 1381994575 703928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently that's a legal way to escape.
< 1381994581 711343 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i misread, yeah ok.
< 1381994586 675124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just keeps on going in that way: eval(['RIR=wavread(RIR_sim',num2str(rcount),');']);
< 1381994620 180892 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really understand why, all these functions accepting file names are just fine with something like wavread(['RIR_sim' num2str(count)]).
< 1381994642 101005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval(['wavwrite(y(:,',num2str(ch),'),16000,''',save_dir_tr fname,'_ch',num2str(ch),'.wav'');']);
< 1381994681 628259 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes perfect sense
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< 1382001559 738026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run diff bin/{oz,rwl}come
< 1382001563 413463 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1382001677 558236 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run diff bin/r{w,e}lcome
< 1382001679 235879 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2c2 \ < welcome "$@" | rainwords \ --- \ > welcome "$@" | rainbow
< 1382001687 433832 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1382001739 678788 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ? firefly | rainwords
< 1382001742 954392 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :8FireFly 9was 2a 13short-running 6but 4well-loved 7sci-fi 8TV 9series 2released 13in 62003, 4starring 7Nathan 8Fillion 9and 2directed 13and 6written 4by 7Joss 8Whedon.
< 1382001768 599891 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :rainwords should probably do 01..09 instead of 1..9
< 1382001795 551942 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/rainwords
< 1382001797 21841 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/python \ import random; w=[l.split() for l in open("/dev/stdin").read().split("\n")]; r=[4,7,8,9,2,13,6]; print "\n".join((lambda s: " ".join(chr(3) + str(r[(i+s)%len(r)]) + l[i] for i in range(len(l))))(random.randrange(0, len(r))) for l in w)
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< 1382003845 226063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Bike Quitting won't save you from MATLAB. (Cf. fac=numbers*ones(1,32).*(sum(mask')>=numbers)+sum(mask').*(sum(mask') omg <…> sain just tietää et meillä on company anthem <…> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRTf3UXCpiE <…> shamelevel^10
< 1382004618 130948 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(“i just found out we have a company anthem”)
< 1382005029 908416 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they sing it at stand-ups
< 1382005156 267460 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed 's/str(.*)\])/"%02d"%r[(i+s)%len(r)]/' bin/rainwords
< 1382005157 901026 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/python \ import random; w=[l.split() for l in open("/dev/stdin").read().split("\n")]; r=[4,7,8,9,2,13,6]; print "\n".join((lambda s: " ".join(chr(3) + "%02d"%r[(i+s)%len(r)] + l[i] for i in range(len(l))))(random.randrange(0, len(r))) for l in w)
< 1382005194 638308 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i -e 's/str(.*)\])/"%02d"%r[(i+s)%len(r)]/' bin/rainwords && `run ? firefly | rainwords
< 1382005195 971967 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
< 1382005214 586212 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i -e 's/str(.*)\])/"%02d"%r[(i+s)%len(r)]/' bin/rainwords && ? firefly | rainwords
< 1382005220 836932 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :04FireFly 07was 08a 09short-running 02but 13well-loved 06sci-fi 04TV 07series 08released 09in 022003, 13starring 06Nathan 04Fillion 07and 08directed 09and 02written 13by 06Joss 04Whedon.
< 1382006076 518767 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:589:653c:9e3f:59eb PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 firefly
< 1382006140 328244 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:589:653c:9e3f:59eb PRIVMSG #esoteric :i met le director
< 1382006152 113205 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:589:653c:9e3f:59eb PRIVMSG #esoteric :was about to stab him
< 1382006160 596020 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:589:653c:9e3f:59eb PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he was cool)
< 1382006196 623868 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:589:653c:9e3f:59eb PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was expecting another welcome
< 1382006209 671100 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: are you watching Agents of SHIELD?
< 1382006218 933397 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:589:653c:9e3f:59eb PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1382006223 157238 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:589:653c:9e3f:59eb PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont watch tv much
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< 1382012459 185532 :htkallas!~htkallas@spa-ws160.spa.hut.fi NICK :fizziew
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< 1382012641 447591 :fizziew!~htkallas@spa-ws160.spa.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The electric company just sent me a SMS about electricity going out at home. Very fancy, very modern.
< 1382012661 648827 :fizziew!~htkallas@spa-ws160.spa.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the fact that it just says "we're working to fix this, ETA: no idea" (paraphrasing) made it not terribly useful.
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< 1382013406 277803 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good battle-against-fontconfig morning!
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< 1382018281 860297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!SENT_START OPERATING INCOME FROM HOTELS AT TWENTY ONE MILLION DOLLARS AND TWENTY THREE POINT EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS !SENT_END
< 1382018300 664750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :WSJ recognizer output manages to look like an old-fashioned telegram always.
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< 1382019392 284224 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :googling for what people say in this chännel almost always result with way more questions than what I started with → http://www.isip.piconepress.com/courses/msstate/ece_7000_speech/lectures/1999/lecture_06/presentation/data/cmu_wb.lm
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< 1382021942 18992 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :enabling ipv6 makes the network unreachable. ok, irssi.
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< 1382026350 972841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). [...] @tell Bike Quitting won't save you from MATLAB. [...]
< 1382026355 938017 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1121) -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). [...] @tell Bike Quitting won't save you from MATLAB. [...]
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< 1382027059 402054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fails at finding the japanese version of the fujitsu anthem
< 1382027085 533659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume this stuff is completely normal in japan.
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< 1382028189 206957 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, for god's sake.
< 1382028201 383663 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :My laptop clock claims to be displaying BST, but is in fact an hour fast
< 1382028206 555593 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i fix this
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< 1382028317 935102 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back from lunch, I learn fujitsu has an anthem, and Phantom__Hoover is unstuck in time.
< 1382028354 628225 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Take this moment of timelessness to read HoTT in an instant
< 1382028465 631027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also see BST and BDT both as equal to UTC at the moment.
< 1382028480 254315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if Phantom__Hoover had the good sense to be present, i'd suggest using WET.
< 1382028508 370268 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :for god's sake setting a clock back an hour cannot be this hard
< 1382028526 458287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you were there
< 1382028547 440180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: well assuming you want to be 1 hour off UTC, WET works here
< 1382028579 549181 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does xfce not include a way to set the clock
< 1382028586 702169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and presumably takes care of daylight saving
< 1382028614 629441 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might have different transitions?
< 1382028626 713220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: um is your UTC time correct? if so you shouldn't set the clock, only the timezone. assuming you're on linux.
< 1382028650 403843 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :my UTC time clearly isn't correct because the time it's displaying is an hour off BST
< 1382028659 71091 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the Japanese Fujitsu Anthem is unfindable. I searched for 富士通 {,歌,アンセム,聖歌}, and nothing relevant came through.
< 1382028709 526558 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: are you running ntpd?
< 1382028715 988413 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1382028717 876376 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am now
< 1382028720 515213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: OKAY
< 1382028775 223600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: um afaik britain, like most of europe, is currently on daylight saving.
< 1382028801 300605 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what BST means! the time my system clock is displaying as BST is an hour off from what is actually BST
< 1382028858 831846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait never mind my tests, i think it displays UTC if it doesn't have the timezone data, but somehow still uses the given name.
< 1382028864 255591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bullshit time?
< 1382028882 138651 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bullshit Savings Time
< 1382028894 567984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: well i'm just asking if you've tried date -u
< 1382028896 875372 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp, i installed ntp and did ntpd -q... and my time remains as wrong as ever
< 1382028897 739746 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, geek stuff → http://youtu.be/b0YC3RpvE3M
< 1382028924 733777 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: have you configured ntp to get the correct timezone? and usually, you have to wait a while for ntp to correct time.
< 1382028925 826221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the error could be either in the genuine clock or in the timezone data.
< 1382028936 299578 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it only works by increments, so not to disrupt the rest of the System)
< 1382028942 805408 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that the date i'm getting is an hour fast; it's UTC+2, which shouldn't be displaying on any clock in britain, ever
< 1382028958 223296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1382028988 731085 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime Phantom__Hoover
< 1382028989 202894 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Phantom__Hoover is Thu Oct 17 18:54:44
< 1382029014 854897 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the time is actually 17:54
< 1382029019 259610 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tfw i lack anything to code
< 1382029024 552521 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than horrid minecraft mods
< 1382029033 492936 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you in one of those towns where they don't recognize DST? :D
< 1382029035 811285 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and back when summer time started i didn't adjust my watch, so there was a 2-hour disparity between it and the computer
< 1382029053 259375 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, like i just said, the error goes the wrong way for it to be a summer time thing
< 1382029073 462039 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so they're super into it, then
< 1382029076 613485 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you do TZ=BST or some such? :)
< 1382029087 208184 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you recently reboot into/from windows?
< 1382029089 855924 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :for god's...
< 1382029091 737594 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kirby% date
< 1382029091 908138 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thu 17 Oct 18:56:17 BST 2013
< 1382029110 57722 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, i do have a dual boot, although this problem has been around for as long as i can remember
< 1382029116 300493 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :TZ=BST will make it display "BST", but not do any time zone calculations.
< 1382029118 150423 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it might have synced, stored local time, then linux comes and thinks it's UTC and adds a time zone
< 1382029149 286328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: i _still_ want you to do date -u please
< 1382029169 230207 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :date -u is UTC+1
< 1382029192 569982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then it's not the timezone setting :P
< 1382029195 908599 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner's theory is the most plausible
< 1382029198 539539 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :K, so your system clock is set to local time.
< 1382029201 232894 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fix
< 1382029212 10787 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: set the time to the right time
< 1382029229 739077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a dual boot with windows or such
< 1382029244 806236 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there may be one or more settings that change how your OSes interpret the system clock
< 1382029272 372933 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes!
< 1382029275 838785 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, right
< 1382029279 43861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The settings to make Windows interpret system clock as UTC are iffy.
< 1382029281 300580 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i set the time back an hour
< 1382029296 176352 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :do NOT tell me i have to do date -s dd:hh:mm
< 1382029304 610454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: ic so windows and linux may have different ideas of how the system clock is stored
< 1382029321 902475 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something like date -s "one hour ago"
< 1382029346 759950 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless that's the wrong direction
< 1382029367 797520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this means trouble of course
< 1382029369 399835 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :invalid date
< 1382029379 443630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I read about them when last installing a dual boot system, and it seemed like it's theoretically possible, but not altogether wise. (The hwclock-in-localtime-and-tell-Linux-that approach is more supported.)
< 1382029393 926777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if both os'es try to set the clock from a time server
< 1382029398 501719 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting Linux to use a hw clock in localtime depends on your distro.
< 1382029421 407504 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which distro are you using?
< 1382029428 843404 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch
< 1382029434 691281 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to leave now, unfortunately
< 1382029441 668068 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave solutions in logs plz
< 1382029450 8359 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :timedatectl set-local-rtc true
< 1382029553 801308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if that works well when changing between daylight saving and not
< 1382029557 614169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason Arch wiki recommends the "configure Windows to use UTC" approach even though it involves some registry editing and has bugs.
< 1382029588 360648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if windows and linux will mess up changing it
< 1382029589 333628 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not really.
< 1382029599 223829 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :during the Age of the Rc.conf, it was easy to set your HWCLOCK to localtime, but now I don't know how.
< 1382029613 857642 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's necessarily slightly wonky, though less so if you've got ntpd going.
< 1382029621 935915 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hint: you should)
< 1382029694 629292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there is some hw place to save the current local timezone offset that both would use.
< 1382029716 565033 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :There isn't.
< 1382029720 361703 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there was we wouldn't have this problem
< 1382029728 724870 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :run windows in a VM?
< 1382029747 241325 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RTC is just a wall clock.
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< 1382029951 890366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're lucky there is even a century field in there; UTC offsets would be quite a lot to ask.
< 1382029954 882298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And where the century is stored is not standard, so you need to read its location from ACPI.)
< 1382029973 993506 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :The century field was a later addition, for that matter.
< 1382030069 47741 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though a trivial way of getting that to work would be to just assume that you never would use a BIOS in 1969 or earlier. :P
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< 1382030445 473015 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Way to break my circa-1985 computers in 2070.
< 1382030532 565158 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be impressed if the capacitors still worked.
< 1382030604 93558 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should buy myself something with vacuum tubes one day.
< 1382030608 965552 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/buy/build/
< 1382030618 526155 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a CRT TV.
< 1382030630 145594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it87: Beeping is supported" "yay"
< 1382030847 911214 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I was recently looking for a way to make an SNES emulator's output look like it should have over composite on a CRT TV.
< 1382030859 376470 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm shocked that none of the output plugins do such things.
< 1382030883 83500 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all do random bullshit like adding scanlines (something you wouldn't have noticed on a TV of the appropriate era) or making things /sharper/ instead of softer.
< 1382030934 844553 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: probably not a CRT. I'm sure I'd find a way to induce grievous bodily harm on multiple persons after a sudden implexplosion.
< 1382031086 719132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :exploding the imps in your tv
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< 1382031232 308841 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot, got accepted to grad school!
< 1382031240 275940 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice
< 1382031287 716726 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm sure I saw a project for the NES (or maybe the SNES) that did that
< 1382031293 804942 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see if I can find a link
< 1382031310 652619 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: which one?
< 1382031321 92873 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: UW
< 1382031322 975989 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :same place
< 1382031347 270204 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: I did a semi-decent job of simulating it in post by recording the output and then using mplayer filters. Something like -vf unsharp=c5x3:-2,unsharp=l5x1:-1
< 1382031416 239562 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mildly less relevant for the NES since its resolution was much lower than NTSC anyway :3
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< 1382031483 528332 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higan_%28emulator%29
< 1382031514 643124 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know bsnes had changed its name...
< 1382031535 42937 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ALSO didn't know it claimed to do anything clever in display filtering.
< 1382031579 183945 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, apparently they got super serious about scanlines
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< 1382031586 629263 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, having them
< 1382031600 924919 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: makes sense.
< 1382031620 603161 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most emulators do really retarded, bad scanline emulation in post, but bsnes/higan certainly wouldn't because that's against its entire purpose. Probably worth looking into...
< 1382032335 122424 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Actually, emulating NTSC artifacts matters a bit more for the NES because its output produced weird artifacting that some games used for more color.
< 1382032355 409789 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NES used a square wave color burst, for instance.
< 1382032379 439897 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohyeah... EGA games did that too, didn't they? Like olde King's Quest games had an option for whether your output was an RGB monitor or composite...
< 1382032408 79148 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So that it could generate more colors over composite)
< 1382032462 635453 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"More colors" meaning "everything is oversaturated to hell" (Looking at you KQ5)
< 1382032484 189509 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :KQ5 is in the VGA era, surely it never anticipated composite output.
< 1382032495 372315 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think KQ3 was the last EGA one. Maybe KQ4.
< 1382032560 302875 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/CGA_Composite_Vs_RGB_640_Smaller_File.png Good times.
< 1382032565 54939 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so. I guess it was just way oversaturated, then :D
< 1382032570 271130 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeeeyup :3
< 1382032599 356762 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIIIEEEEEURGH! mine eyes!
< 1382032621 485556 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats the shit out of normal CGA graphics.
< 1382032656 842413 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :4-color palletes, anyone? :)
< 1382032672 365484 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I wonder if I can get sopwith running again...
< 1382032728 329341 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, EGA at least gave us 16 glorious colors
< 1382032738 221399 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though amazingly you can get much better color res out of CGA graphics if you're clever.
< 1382032761 621055 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.deathshadow.com/images/pakuMenu.png CGA graphics.
< 1382032803 183119 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot! there's a package in the AUR, and it works!
< 1382032827 555386 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sings the sopwith theme... dooo do-dooo, doo doo doo doo doo doo doo do-doooooo ♪
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< 1382033239 232912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got diverging clocks in Xen PV domains, even though the documentation said I need to enable extra things to even make that possible. (I didn't install NTP on them because the documentation says they run synchronomized.)
< 1382033277 474646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could be just outdated documentation, the sysctl it mentions does not seem to exist.
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< 1382035155 739438 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/*list
< 1382035157 646231 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/bdsmreclist \ wisdom/danddreclist \ wisdom/list \ wisdom/olist \ wisdom/slist
< 1382035177 723071 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ bdsmreclist
< 1382035181 728690 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :? bdsmreclist
< 1382035187 730043 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1382035191 734216 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bdsmreclist
< 1382035194 107406 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan swats quintopia -----### \ Phantom_Hoover: it records all the big hits
< 1382035200 268484 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
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< 1382035481 321884 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes
< 1382035509 957906 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: have you obliterated fungot once again?
< 1382035514 679063 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prefixes
< 1382035516 92731 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, jconn ) , blsqbot !
< 1382035547 703473 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the + was a typo actually
< 1382035558 954523 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog thutubot
< 1382035571 294818 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-10-22.txt:19:23:23: xxxx
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< 1382035598 13311 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep
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< 1382035636 594702 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ;_;
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< 1382035702 706890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1382035710 47290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it went with the power.
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< 1382035720 101472 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more I read about world languages phonologies, the more I believe Swedish is the Ultimate-Has-Every-Phoneme language.
< 1382035734 647208 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so, is it... dead? :(
< 1382035746 332280 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does swedish even have ejective consonants!
< 1382035747 65133 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, swedish has only normal sounds
< 1382035765 471875 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it at least seems to cover just about every vowel.
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< 1382035998 504751 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/hMdR9mV.jpg that's something.
< 1382036027 646856 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it isn't the default in the UK?
< 1382036157 590061 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn NICK :SirCmpwn_
< 1382036180 880480 :SirCmpwn_!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn NICK :SirCmpwn
< 1382036338 58933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i don't think swedish has ı
< 1382036487 650291 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: [ɪ], as in the lax close front unrounded vowel?
< 1382036547 472549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, [ɯ], as in turkish
< 1382036590 966178 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, from a quick eye-grep, no attestation of [ɯ] in Swedish.
< 1382036603 671353 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_back_unrounded_vowel? how on earth can they spell this ı
< 1382036657 983956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: by analogy of ö vs. o or ü vs. u
< 1382036726 296837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of which turkish also has
< 1382036753 261981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses e rather than ä though.
< 1382036765 982071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I (no pun intended) remember there was a funny story about ı and computers; sadly, don't remember what.
< 1382036777 738211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the turkish vowels follow a cubic arrangement.
< 1382036805 688528 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :lower case I is dotless-i, and uppercase i is dotted I?
< 1382036830 37825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1382036830 222503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Many cellphones available in Turkey (as of 2008) lack a proper localization, which leads to replacing “ı” by “i” in SMS, sometimes severely distorting the sense of a text. In one instance, a miscommunication led to the deaths of Emine and Ramazan Çalçoban in 2008.[3]"
< 1382036835 380243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps "funny" was not the right word.
< 1382036858 270382 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm.
< 1382036864 733560 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1382036891 97350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The use of "i" resulted in an SMS with a completely twisted meaning: instead of writing the word "sıkısınca" it looked like he wrote "sikisince." Ramazan wanted to write "You change the topic every time you run out of arguments" (sounds familiar enough) but what Emine read was, "You change the topic every time they are fucking you" (sounds familiar too.)"
< 1382036904 613553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then her father killed the guy.
< 1382036933 880884 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, damn
< 1382036948 537916 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the miscommunication was not the whole reason
< 1382036986 505504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fückıng hersh
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< 1382037095 302085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Possibly some amount of blame lies on the people doing the actual stabbing in addition to the phone.
< 1382037112 125836 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly.
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< 1382038355 43266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Just now noticed that plain 'mplayer' doesn't use any of the VDPAU-accelerated codecs by default. On a 640x360 H.264 video (from Yle Areena), "mplayer blah.flv" takes about 10% of CPU while "mplayer -vc ffh264vdpau" takes 2.5%.
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< 1382038481 318186 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's your wisdom for today?
< 1382038481 939960 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: this would be definieable behaviour... they'd like recognition, but it's much like new zealand, in my opinion is what i wanted
< 1382038506 956115 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck definition of definieable
< 1382038507 363112 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information
< 1382038520 793304 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. I should have known.
< 1382038526 698832 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1382038548 846826 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I really ought to visit New Hobb^H^H^H^HZealand in the future.
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< 1382039216 285761 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Oh freddled gruntbuggly, thy micturations are to me
< 1382039216 550102 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: chicken moves fast, though. ( english as well
< 1382039227 734803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Why did the chicken move fast?
< 1382039228 206308 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you only have +'s, what then? feed me with your ' fnord there an expression of irritation
< 1382039312 280783 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feeds fungot some «'»
< 1382039312 689910 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: paying flatmate or significant other? don't say all pleasse i will when he comes here in the first
< 1382039338 683768 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you'll have to talk to your landlord about rent problems. I can't do nothing for that.
< 1382039339 44890 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: wait, duh, using `darcs get` will do step 2 create your own repository, make it really useful.
< 1382039352 891467 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darcs can pay rent? another neat Haskell usage!
< 1382039357 255006 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that'll help with your rent
< 1382039367 44028 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it does, I agree it's really useful
< 1382039385 343605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I technically fungot's landlord? I guess I might be.
< 1382039385 488710 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i am in fnord universe :p
< 1382039395 764580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, then.
< 1382039413 188057 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that might be a "no"
< 1382039424 324626 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that might be a resounding “yes”
< 1382039452 171661 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: not clear enough.
< 1382039452 366466 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: are those many things include impression?? :d?
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< 1382039490 14329 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fungot is under the delusional impression that fizzie's his landlord.
< 1382039490 195004 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ah so the i/ o
< 1382039503 381652 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i/o, i/o, it's off to pay our rent we go ♪
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< 1382044317 778946 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so that matlabism from before, i replaced it with just rand(...) <= foo, and now everything takes six or seven more seconds to run. ?????
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< 1382044499 552862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Did you unreplace it and did that make things faster again?
< 1382044574 876500 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1382044579 757819 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am bafled.
< 1382044585 783375 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :positively bafed
< 1382044596 269192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are matlabfed.
< 1382044610 113911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "matbaffled"?
< 1382044619 513174 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope to god this thing isn't feeding me
< 1382044632 36656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's weird, because the earlier version included the "rand(...) <= foo" as a component.
< 1382044661 720708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should try out how a bar = double(rand(...) <= foo); performs.
< 1382044664 413276 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm isolating it and trying some testing there. i must be missing something.
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< 1382044863 562473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :madlab
< 1382044918 988446 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the rand is about five times faster (both are less than a tenth of a millisecond so whatever) so i guess it must be in accessing it?
< 1382044922 15856 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :god.
< 1382044937 364427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not *entirely* impossible for find(A <= B) to JIT into something that does not involve an intermediate logical matrix, which could possibly affect the runtimes somehow, though generally I don't think MATLAB does terribly major reorganizations, and it's still weird if it's significantly faster.
< 1382044968 520771 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try the double thing.
< 1382044979 905612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what "the rand" is, because both involved a rand. I guess the simplified version?
< 1382044984 327728 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
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< 1382045125 942283 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ok, coercing it to double fixes the time again.
< 1382045139 140751 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here i was thinking your mention of hypothetically different behavior was a joke.
< 1382045162 757706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was for the find-vs-simple-rand difference.
< 1382045173 930663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, then there is probably something later on involving that matrix that requires a type conversion.
< 1382045203 675001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many things can do that, for example involving it somewhere where there's a "1" or "0" instead of "true" or "false".
< 1382045225 220716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See e.g. http://sprunge.us/dAaa (though that's a bit more reasonable, since the summing is obviously a numeric thing).
< 1382045239 764239 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only operations on it are == 0 and == 1... oh, true and false, is that so ¬_¬
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< 1382045302 2195 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have logicalmatrix(foo,bar) == 1 does it upgrade everything to doubles first or something.
< 1382045339 5943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1382045350 661251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://sprunge.us/XVaH
< 1382045372 638387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe that's not entirely the whole truth.
< 1382045377 956775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wouldn't put it past MATLAB.
< 1382045425 246640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is entirely possible that will also happen for == true and == false.
< 1382045448 88213 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1382045452 670579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really, for a logical x, doing x == 0 and x == 1 is kind of silly, since the first is ~x and the second is x.
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< 1382045484 904203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you might prefer to be expressive, but sometimes tradeoffs have to be made.
< 1382045548 635781 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing your thing with == false speeds it up slightly, i'll see how it works
< 1382045585 52212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/TITW <- well, that was a very MATLAB result.
< 1382045626 658261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The situation might also change depending on whether the code is in a function or a script, I think there's differences when it goes to JIT.
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< 1382045737 917096 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if nothing else the double() version doesn't reduce speed but removes the ridiculous idiom.
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< 1382045882 824902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I ran across a 40-line block of code to take a vector and replace its (contiguous sequences of) NaNs with either a repeated one neighbor or a linear interpolation between two neighbors, depending on whether the NaN-run was in the middle or at beginning/end of the vector.
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< 1382045906 308656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun
< 1382045918 838718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I turned it into 19 lines, but I'm sure it could still be MATLABized further.
< 1382045928 540431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the comprehensibility went down a bit.
< 1382045946 805755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not, depends.
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< 1382046006 287823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :t = diff([0;x;0]); st = find(t == 1); en = find(t == -1) - 1; is perhaps not quite obvious-at-a-glance way of saying "get first and last indices of all contiguous sequences of 1s".
< 1382046058 463557 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh, what's a sed to replace (TnKO.*==) 0 with \0 false, because i'm not getting it
< 1382046093 170782 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's \1 instead.
< 1382046094 840724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should that not be \1 false?
< 1382046096 111321 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\0 is the whole string?
< 1382046101 884905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whole match, yes.
< 1382046106 154692 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the worst unixer
< 1382046136 856726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did get to replace http://sprunge.us/PbBE with a single interp1(...) call.
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< 1382046249 878290 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for letting me suffer through this here
< 1382046285 519595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A shared MATLAB joy is a double()d MATLAB joy.
< 1382046294 830753 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::v.
< 1382046377 796594 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still slower after switching in true and false. whateeeever
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< 1382046569 403986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, there's something there in the types that I don't quite grasp. I added == false to this "benchmark" of http://sprunge.us/VFRK and everything seems to take slightly different amount of time.
< 1382046609 394809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for a logical array, there certainly seems to be a win for ~t over either of t == 0 or t == false.
< 1382046661 23316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also in that synthetic benchmark the logical does always better than the double-cast, so I suppose your scenario differs by some subtle way.
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< 1382046836 335775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. At least the times aren't different for 0/false vs. 1/true: http://sprunge.us/ADdZ (the "do-nothing" versions are slightly non-applicable, but do show that t == 1 for a logical t can in fact waste quite some time)
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< 1382047373 532326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: `layout_chan` moved into closure environment here because it has type `~fn:Send((std::option::Option>,std::comm::SharedChan,extra::future::Future>,std::comm::Port>>,std::comm::Port,msg::constellation_msg::ConstellationChan,std::comm::Sh
< 1382047402 450398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: -dsuppress-module-prefixes plz thx
< 1382047446 316345 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then an ICE
< 1382047629 342289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Fnörd
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< 1382050540 233795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor
< 1382050546 68019 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor you RUINED WEBSPLAT
< 1382050564 886587 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s how I roll.
< 1382050575 479498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor rolls 50 deep
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< 1382050811 779661 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, any response from elliott re: DF
< 1382051025 319422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't heard from him!
< 1382051031 183397 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ask, you're online more
< 1382051057 367393 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine
< 1382051072 181386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is that a rustc flag?
< 1382051085 510467 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, do you play DF
< 1382051089 493260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1382051094 566664 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not
< 1382051113 569886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have enough time-consuming habits already
< 1382051118 81600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ghc flag
< 1382051119 785304 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough
< 1382051124 786281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1382051345 267949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. good ghc flag imo
< 1382051417 334922 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, do you play DF
< 1382051564 74683 :Guest57319!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:70b4:83a3:9153:cdea NICK :ping
< 1382051567 146286 :ping!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:70b4:83a3:9153:cdea NICK :^v
< 1382052049 137431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: No.
< 1382052062 428223 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend decided to write a bf interpreter in python. Then he did it.
< 1382052087 824255 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drlemon, get your friend to write a python interpreter in bf
< 1382052106 375763 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: That's what they said when i told the other channel i lurk on!
< 1382052135 96224 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
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< 1382052284 560310 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It SUCKS at long programs and can't exactly handle input, but it can print fine!
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< 1382053172 126795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it suck at long programs
< 1382053180 75472 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no idea
< 1382053283 59756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :find out, report back
< 1382053341 496335 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Want to see the program?
< 1382053399 301760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I?
< 1382053401 323756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so
< 1382053405 367957 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one moment
< 1382053448 921010 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382053546 919912 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/8410671
< 1382053632 800967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of duplicated code
< 1382053638 725376 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thank god it's not a crypto puzzle.
< 1382053646 799602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also does it handle nested brackets properly?
< 1382053669 598306 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look like it.
< 1382053687 599443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo write a Brainfuck -> Python compiler and feed the result to exec()
< 1382053690 253818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i have a crypto puzzle for you!! decrypt this: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
< 1382053696 730514 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be shorter
< 1382053708 797980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it says "SHACHAF SUCKS"
< 1382053727 1165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1382053736 600884 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lies tho!
< 1382053750 793669 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoist by his own encrypted petard
< 1382053759 194505 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's unary, i assume?
< 1382053772 973392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's base 62
< 1382053787 347095 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a good place
< 1382053814 703542 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by the way, i'm 14. I'm only saying that so you have context for the fact that the guy who wrote that BF interpreter, is also 14.
< 1382053837 321516 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds 'bout right.
< 1382053844 872675 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-228.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382053862 85820 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah, I remember being 14
< 1382053870 57807 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I don['t
< 1382053871 674477 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaah
< 1382053877 364026 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've completely forgotten that year
< 1382053924 158114 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler could basically be written as a map+append, right
< 1382053925 497621 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :VmxSQ2ExWXlUWGxUYTJoUVVrUkJPUT09 base 64
< 1382053940 342664 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's lazy cripto time
< 1382053943 14608 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*crypto
< 1382053947 123340 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i honestly don't remember enough python to do it correctly off the top of my head though :\
< 1382053958 276300 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like befunge more than brainfuck
< 1382054009 41082 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1382054009 186333 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
< 1382054047 730881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :base Bike
< 1382054091 469482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: will i see you at mozilla tomorrow
< 1382054162 87829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when are you coming by?
< 1382054207 572492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll get around there at 17/18ish? the talk is at 19ish
< 1382054351 388792 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i think the indentation thing makes the brainfuck to python compiler annoying
< 1382054399 693862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: where in the building is it?
< 1382054460 302699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :room 152
< 1382054489 153118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1382054497 209496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be around then probably
< 1382054500 308970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know if I'll stay for the talk
< 1382054513 365910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
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< 1382057068 481152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps shaped charges will fix my makefile
< 1382057128 414094 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :""
< 1382057132 379013 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dangit
< 1382057155 478040 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, I'll type it out
< 1382057184 454494 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This whole subject of writing seemingly referentially opaque macros with syntax rules has been /actually/ inspired by a practical application."
< 1382057568 843859 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a memory leak in a script I wrote a while back
< 1382057573 26656 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had to use the script today
< 1382057577 725068 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ate around 13GB
< 1382057685 349225 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1382058675 344072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1382058679 890494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it leak memory
< 1382058889 970602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :drlemon: http://web.archive.org/web/20130917111816/http://fmota.eu/blog/base64-fixed-point.html
< 1382059788 938567 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382059982 11459 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I forgot to destroy the prepared statements, which I made in a loop
< 1382060014 328113 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mutable entities in Tcl don't get garbage collected
< 1382060121 712974 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:70b4:83a3:9153:cdea QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1382060151 113423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1382060161 231760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that because the "references" between them are strings and therefore impossible to trace?
< 1382060182 466440 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much, yes
< 1382060190 343576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shuold learn Tcl
< 1382060193 522475 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1382060251 653962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what do you think of Rust's macro system? http://static.rust-lang.org/doc/master/tutorial-macros.html
< 1382060384 518813 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is pattern-matching the only form of macros available (not done reading yet)
< 1382060429 101281 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :free-form?
< 1382060547 917889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only kind which doesn't involve editing the compiler
< 1382060583 65587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntactically when you see foo!(bar) it could be invoking a user-defined macro or a compiler-defined syntax extension
< 1382060600 541178 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But bar can be anything?
< 1382060615 831072 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it be arbitrary strings, or is there some form in which it needs to be in to be parsable?
< 1382060641 985366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think for macros it can be any sequence of valid Rust tokens, where () [] {} are properly nested and balanced
< 1382060667 629625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust programs are parsed to a "token tree" before a full AST, and that's where macro expansion happens
< 1382060709 247533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the token tree expresses the nesting structure of () [] {} and contains other tokens as leaves
< 1382060746 371871 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:70b4:83a3:9153:cdea QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1382060751 631641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I think that secretly you can have a macro syntax variable $x:tt to take an arbitrary token tree, rather than the documented e.g. $x:expr which will parse that part of the tree as an expr before expanding the macro
< 1382060766 652227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure tho
< 1382060819 630439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As a final, horrifying aside, note that macro-by-example's input is also matched by one of these matchers. Holy self-referential!"
< 1382060864 662007 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have the context to know what that comment means, just pasting for amusement
< 1382060880 979799 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks oddly at kmc
< 1382060927 461274 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1382061231 772080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1382061370 307215 :NihilistDandy!~ND@d-burl-bng1-64-223-109-106.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net QUIT :
< 1382061767 971433 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be possible to add Fugue or Velato notes over a normal audio file at inaudable frequencies?
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< 1382064936 952325 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :K-Lined
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< 1382065053 215914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do we delete lists after they're finished
< 1382065063 218026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: here's the macro I wrote today: https://github.com/kmcallister/servo/blob/8bd9be7240faf751b7d23e3d9a65a3db8adf3496/src/components/main/macros.rs#L14-L24
< 1382065127 571430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns «spawn_with!(task(), [foo, bar], { ...blah blah... })» into «do task().spawn_with((foo,bar)) |(foo,bar)| { ...blah blah... }»
< 1382065156 486696 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is itself sugar for «task().spawn_with((foo,bar), |(foo,bar)| { ...blah blah... })»
< 1382065168 789337 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second argument to spawn_with is a lambda expression taking a tuple as an argument
< 1382065184 667993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for why we need to explicitly name (some of) the captured variables, there's a good-ish reason for that, which I can explain later
< 1382065187 670180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but -> afk now
< 1382065245 210899 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: lists in Tcl are immutable strings, which are GCed
< 1382065268 749744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/*lists
< 1382065289 590498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo bin/*list
< 1382065293 984682 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/*list
< 1382065297 605022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_<
< 1382065299 885432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo bin/*list
< 1382065301 474677 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/danddreclist bin/emptylist bin/erflist bin/instalist bin/list bin/llist bin/makelist bin/mlist bin/olist bin/oohlist bin/pbflist bin/slist bin/smlist bin/testlist
< 1382065384 866159 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'rm bin/slist' >> bin/slist # There.
< 1382065388 770768 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1382065397 539600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike++
< 1382065472 172963 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that won't work.
< 1382065474 65132 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatashame
< 1382065493 276609 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It works on #xkcd
< 1382065502 273467 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where i usually lurk
< 1382065518 981455 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the ++ thing has bot responses
< 1382065543 658679 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one could say it is... *puts on sunglasses*... BOTOMATED
< 1382065559 815524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Oh, true. :-(
< 1382065562 537996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1382065567 87347 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1382065611 600094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/exit/rm bin\/slist/; exit' bin/slist
< 1382065616 434054 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh: xit: not found \ sh: xit: not found \ sh: xit: not found \ sh: xit: not found \ sh: xit: not found \ sh: xit: not found \ sh: xit: not found \ sh: xit: not found \ sh: xit: not found
< 1382065624 537470 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've learned a frightening amount about sed from this channel.
< 1382065626 283777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh.
< 1382065636 167636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did I even...
< 1382065642 319661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/exit/rm bin\/slist; exit/' bin/slist
< 1382065644 78391 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1382065663 873366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/slist | r13
< 1382065665 597775 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :rpub -a "$(onfranzr "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; gnvy -a+2 "$0" | knetf; ez ova/fyvfg \ Gnaro \ ngevd \ Atriq \ Svben \ abeggv \ Ftrb \ GungBgureCrefba \ nybg
< 1382065668 11648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't look like slist is actually over, just it only has one more run left
< 1382065673 501816 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1382065676 593767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION list lawyer
< 1382065682 750335 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now slist is set up to delete itself after that one more run.
< 1382065684 823104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, "run" means more than one update?
< 1382065688 703636 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :All nice and tidy and completely reasonable.
< 1382065695 513792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see
< 1382065696 23747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh.
< 1382065701 539155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was added not replaced
< 1382065708 8000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1382065711 134492 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1382065712 135977 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it was fine!
< 1382065718 531265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there was no "exit".
< 1382065721 779056 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott you're ruining the whole system with your propaganda.
< 1382065725 826865 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1382065752 691689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/exit/rm bin\/slist\; exit/' bin/slist
< 1382065756 505988 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1382065757 340043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/slist | r13
< 1382065759 232889 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :rpub -a "$(onfranzr "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; gnvy -a+2 "$0" | knetf; ez ova/fyvfg; rkvg \ Gnaro \ ngevd \ Atriq \ Svben \ abeggv \ Ftrb \ GungBgureCrefba \ nybg
< 1382065772 442705 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, what's ; do in sed
< 1382065772 763576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1382065777 910142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Separates statements?
< 1382065786 47963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like Perl.
< 1382065788 527914 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come it didn't tell you about an unterminated / then?
< 1382065792 494619 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s i mean
< 1382065794 309877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you don't need a final /
< 1382065805 494737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo abc | sed 's/b/q'
< 1382065807 402569 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 5: unterminated `s' command
< 1382065810 634248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1382065813 892863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you do need it.
< 1382065824 645357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo abc | sed 's/b/q; exit'
< 1382065826 358392 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 11: unterminated `s' command
< 1382065828 369674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo abc | sed 's/b/q; exit/'
< 1382065831 58768 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :aq; exitc
< 1382065833 37352 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see.
< 1382065833 183099 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess ; terminates it.
< 1382065838 115752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1382065843 848884 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw it's great how basically every confusing thing about shell is due to mixing up strings and arguments and stuff
< 1382065859 510732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed 's/exit/rm bin\/slist\; exit/' bin/slist | head -n1
< 1382065861 664993 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; rm bin/slist; rm bin/slist; exit
< 1382065929 216869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1382066049 543369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, where did the exit go?
< 1382066087 457784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/fd7b8d987a01
< 1382066153 2933 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if we just execute taneb
< 1382066190 901315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that was just broken.
< 1382066222 219175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something?
< 1382066240 598337 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed 's/slist/slist\; exit/' bin/slist | head -n1
< 1382066242 13435 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; rm bin/slist; exit; exit
< 1382066249 142398 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382066271 111334 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well i guess it's finenow.
< 1382066306 9913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i even aware of this slist thing
< 1382066321 767188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1382066450 253207 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs bike
< 1382066485 426161 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.10413
< 1382066531 236964 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :er.
< 1382066534 655383 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes bike
< 1382066540 110274 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.16742
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< 1382067926 609980 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
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< 1382070899 723495 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1382071841 980396 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1382071986 21609 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382072327 440583 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1382074903 434593 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :447 and dead bodies, two great tastes that taste great together
< 1382076744 449266 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :
< 1382077191 988192 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist News: Gigapause
< 1382077196 109071 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist News: Gigapause: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
< 1382077207 985035 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, sgeo.
< 1382077229 6270 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's of relevance to Homestuck readers
< 1382077237 794119 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/slist
< 1382077239 548391 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/slist: No such file or directory
< 1382077243 78334 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't understand.
< 1382077300 917176 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1382077304 209451 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1382077312 449672 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/slist
< 1382077313 849507 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; rm bin/slist; exit \ Taneb \ atriq \ Ngevd \ Fiora \ nortti \ Sgeo \ ThatOtherPerson \ alot
< 1382077322 507123 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one more update, sgeo!!
< 1382077404 890816 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.20 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382077525 259647 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382077777 914486 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.20 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1382077841 713111 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Gbye
< 1382078840 651481 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renshaw_cell
< 1382079525 242532 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1382080398 301459 :Zuu!zuu@77.215.149.86 QUIT :Changing host
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< 1382082590 282851 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I've been reading Homestuck for over 4 years
< 1382082605 310191 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been reading Homestuck for over 20% of my life
< 1382083837 170874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382083845 507044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan
< 1382083910 488571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc'day
< 1382084384 994227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it going
< 1382084396 854765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible as usual
< 1382084504 522095 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know everything goes wrong when I try to update anything?
< 1382084524 954175 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please be on standby
< 1382084555 405220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i never update hth
< 1382084781 960060 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1382086471 72437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : drlemon: http://web.archive.org/web/20130917111816/http://fmota.eu/blog/base64-fixed-point.html <-- not the most archiveable page :(
< 1382086551 925777 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382086569 254578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The math seems to have a broken.
< 1382086569 891532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Taneb may have updated himself permanently off our channel
< 1382086582 500727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the comments section isn't too good either :P
< 1382086676 179371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: btw i think this may mean base64 has an associated minimal shift system.
< 1382086697 58577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: you so idle
< 1382086707 954459 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1382086761 604770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Aren't you supposed to continue a start like that with some sort of a "your mom" joke?
< 1382086776 346580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's _almost_ a substitution shift system, like thue-morse
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< 1382090513 778438 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other night for some reason I was at a Project Euler night
< 1382090538 266393 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where people get together and do Project Euler problem
< 1382090539 453150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't know that was a thing.
< 1382090589 68893 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s)
< 1382090612 373344 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, someone was trying to do the first problem, really struggling with it
< 1382090619 730186 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He had about 30 lines of C++
< 1382090649 144312 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*
< 1382090650 972450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's that three-and-five thing. I've seen that in many places.
< 1382090651 187542 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fire alarm
< 1382090668 875538 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it stopped
< 1382090669 409371 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the first one the one that's basically fizzbuzz?
< 1382090676 475220 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEah
< 1382090684 835989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sum of all multiples of 3 or 5 below 1000.
< 1382090689 99149 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We looked at him, and said "How?"
< 1382090698 75759 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person to the right of me had 8 lines of C++
< 1382090703 307270 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had 1 line of Haskell
< 1382090709 537545 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He had screenfuls
< 1382090711 470180 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I solved that in J
< 1382090719 522520 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Haskell
< 1382091024 723751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> intercalate", "[case gcd x 15 of 3->"Fizz";5->"Buzz";15->"Fizzbuzz";_->show x|x<-[1..]]
< 1382091026 100325 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1, 2, Fizz, 4, Buzz, Fizz, 7, 8, Fizz, Buzz, 11, Fizz, 13, 14, Fizzbuzz, 1...
< 1382091129 899410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) i 15
< 1382091142 767371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no jconn
< 1382091160 14057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know J anyway.
< 1382091357 799763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Doomy doom of doom
< 1382091414 512699 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :+/ (* 0: = (3&| * 5&|)) i.1000
< 1382091420 810336 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably prettier ways to do it though..
< 1382091457 366368 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, those inner parens aren't necessary I think
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< 1382098870 568287 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 NICK :PopeMonad
< 1382098946 548801 :PopeMonad!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 NICK :Taneb
< 1382098977 176731 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-171.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382099848 396082 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good taneb-has-identity-troubles morning!
< 1382100999 3862 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmpf, I wanted to write the ackermann function in When
< 1382101011 491628 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this language is harder to use than I thought
< 1382101049 616080 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also there's no reference interpreter that I know of so I'm not even sure it should work the way I believe)
< 1382101114 442321 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, a rule is triggered everytime a variable in its predicate is assigned
< 1382101144 402833 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the variable value may have changed before the predicate is evaluated
< 1382101177 213064 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hates queues
< 1382101262 353931 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the when operator is the only way to do branching; if you want to branch depending on the value of two variables, then the rule will be triggered twice...
< 1382101665 781866 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should add some flag variable that basically says "don't compute anything until I confirm you can proceed"
< 1382101818 31885 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :queues are fun, when you have undergrad students implement them.
< 1382101886 184016 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines boily queuing up students holding numbers
< 1382101947 145740 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382102023 198538 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: sadly, I didn't get to TA that class. would have been fun *evil smirk*
< 1382102191 264993 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if electronics stopped working and we had to go back to people computing stuff by hand
< 1382102210 478693 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd ask people to hold the numbers to execute your fueue program
< 1382102229 831363 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 NICK :ysengrin
< 1382102235 63923 :ysengrin!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 NICK :Taneb
< 1382102251 475662 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a very compelling argument to have a live #esoteric meet-up, with group activities, drinks, and computations!
< 1382102353 550258 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: tell me more about yourselves. did you have a good relationship with your mother? how do you feel at the sight of mittens? if a scientist in a labcoat orders you to teach VB to an unsuspecting victim, will you comply?
< 1382102472 116443 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a reasonable relationship of my mother
< 1382102494 341550 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mittens remind me of a cute pair I had when I was little that had like an elastic cord from one to the other so I wouldn't lose one
< 1382102499 546758 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is actually a really good idea
< 1382102559 678525 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a scientist in a labcoat orders me to teach VB to an unsuspecting victim, I'd probably panic
< 1382102617 957769 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION acquiesces and takes notes “hmm... hmm... please carry on...”
< 1382102699 638415 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see, I have a long-held fear of someone pointing out that I'm wrong about something I am supposed to have authority about
< 1382102736 393866 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if someone orders me to teach a topic to an unsuspecting victim who may know anything about that topic already, I will be terrified
< 1382102747 690043 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your Fueue truth-machine was wrong
< 1382102755 664485 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1382102780 656819 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, almost every Fueue program I have written is untested
< 1382102785 197524 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I guess it's okay to be wrong when oerjan is in the room
< 1382102948 338975 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382102979 604218 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: but he's not there. who's the next oerjan-in-command?
< 1382103022 800198 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382103075 171715 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could appoint Fiora
< 1382103083 146526 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1382103103 902282 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, you are now promoted to acting oerjan. Congratulations!
< 1382103161 484320 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he usually logbackread/readlogsback/whatever so if you misbehave in his name, HE'LL KNOW
< 1382103239 112646 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean O_O
< 1382103386 545818 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what does it mean, to be oerjan?
< 1382103386 717892 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: don't you get it working
< 1382103397 629504 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no I didn't, that's why I'm asking.
< 1382103397 860852 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm not really " ick" from a syntactic environment
< 1382103433 802830 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: okay, so... I guess you can start by not being “ick”, from a syntactic environment.
< 1382103475 469528 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, I believe in you, can you tell us the answer?
< 1382103475 757320 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: fnord... fnord whether that reflects your opinion in that debate well enough? :) i'm learning scheme and now
< 1382103489 698013 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, learn scheme and now
< 1382103506 761407 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an "ick"?
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< 1382103593 610010 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: a single-celled parasite, a church, a train-coach, a human protein or English slang.
< 1382103951 767903 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1382105123 843651 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.20 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382105852 342015 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-121.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382106046 194187 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382106090 370683 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1382109459 258458 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you seem rather "ick" to me...
< 1382109459 442266 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: last time i had a hard time
< 1382109465 885855 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'm sorry
< 1382109466 256906 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the page doesn't appear here at all, should it end up?! :) http://list.cs.brown.edu/ pipermail/ gambit-list/ 2005-may/ fnord
< 1382109791 695969 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382109962 629138 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog PLORTS
< 1382109995 881121 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1382110298 916140 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequote
< 1382110300 338075 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pastequote: not found
< 1382110303 853897 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes
< 1382110311 379085 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.17624
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< 1382113171 820123 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1382113200 640415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also an INTERCAL kompiler, of course.
< 1382113718 196629 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.155.197 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382114021 729249 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1382114159 729391 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382114442 736948 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL compiler kludge
< 1382114984 624646 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's freezing in here. as a developer, I can't be expected to have good blood circulation!
< 1382115116 810024 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear coffee can be used as an anticoagulant.
< 1382115136 33057 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but maybe you can be expected to adapt your clothing after temperature?
< 1382115168 141872 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally houses should take care of that, but sadly houses are frequently imperfect
< 1382115174 3826 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.155.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear infinite loops work wonders
< 1382115235 202583 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Netburst jokes aren't as hot as they used to be.
< 1382115335 528079 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-171.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382115351 453464 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'm at work, and forgot my hoodie at home.
< 1382115423 111848 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you should be fired for such a basic lapse in competence
< 1382115444 864429 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382115480 142646 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'd like being fired. that'd raise my body temperature enough that I can still feel my fingertips, and get to code.
< 1382115557 842992 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382115565 165827 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess that backfired
< 1382115591 836819 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, huddle for warmth with your fellow programmers
< 1382115641 840627 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1382115653 891899 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fellow programmer went for lunch. the next fellogrammer is too far away (about 2.5 m West)
< 1382115680 516644 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.155.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> west
< 1382115681 819877 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `west'
< 1382115681 965007 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant `nest' (imported from Text.PrettyPr...
< 1382115683 435712 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.133.20 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382115690 548140 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> neset
< 1382115691 776921 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `neset'
< 1382115691 922081 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant `nest' (imported from Text.PrettyP...
< 1382115694 677929 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nest
< 1382115695 747959 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable
< 1382115695 893226 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Text.P...
< 1382115696 341795 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: why didn't you go for lunch?
< 1382115714 485894 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I got done with lunch about half an hour ago.
< 1382115735 763153 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(delicious curry chicken and eggplant ratatouille over rice)
< 1382115739 749117 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1382115757 550955 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I should start thinking about dinner
< 1382115763 676071 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.20 QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1382115766 157742 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.133.20 NICK :nooodl
< 1382115809 530960 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: aha! you *are* the man eating chicken
< 1382115936 125982 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something stupid chicken quote something something...
< 1382115955 909404 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1382116008 759106 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, this has to be a record for shortest-lived succession fort
< 1382116145 912058 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott,
< 1382116147 521036 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott,
< 1382116148 573189 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott,
< 1382116179 124834 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, in other news, me and one of my friends may have started a University of York Homestuck society
< 1382116215 643261 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382116235 835765 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did you just use “elliott,” as a punctuation symbol?
< 1382116246 966356 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_
< 1382116290 877402 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, can i join
< 1382116294 300033 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any events
< 1382116347 717257 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1382116351 892133 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, it served two purposes
< 1382116355 768723 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover, yes, and yes
< 1382116367 32517 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got a meet-up on the 30th at 19:30
< 1382116374 127628 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a real event
< 1382116380 70032 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, then no
< 1382116387 82850 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't even have a name yet
< 1382116415 502135 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nicholas cage appreciation society
< 1382116452 183907 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1382116609 125727 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382116650 793862 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-171.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1382116705 858105 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1382117784 753894 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, just take the fort for god's saaaake
< 1382117832 455476 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, fine
< 1382117846 333726 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figure out a way to transfer it
< 1382117882 962276 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I kind of want to eat and watch Agents of Shield
< 1382117890 219114 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :do all three at once
< 1382117915 777311 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can mute the dialogue of agents of shield, that way you can listen to DF's soundtrack rather than whedon's dialogue
< 1382117936 993920 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I watch Agents of Shield in the common room!
< 1382117945 133406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382117956 854233 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not moving my desktop a mile and a half just to play video games while I watch TV
< 1382118007 492872 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck how are your halls laid out
< 1382118020 597083 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm slightly off-campus
< 1382118040 429651 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :York's accommodation was over-subscribed
< 1382118052 788030 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember that now
< 1382118064 788773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : +/ (* 0: = (3&| * 5&|)) i.1000 <-- i sense a lack of fizz and buzz.
< 1382118066 744358 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing happened at warwick, apparently they changed the clearing rules for this year
< 1382118080 962545 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as it happens the halls are laid out in a really stupid way anyway
< 1382118098 345266 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that gives the sum of numbers in [0,1000) divisible by 3 och 5 (project euler task 1)
< 1382118104 993925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1382118116 137895 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, or*
< 1382118129 368092 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 QUIT :Quit: food
< 1382118194 187232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1382118238 458605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [n|n<-[0..1000],gcd n 15>1]
< 1382118239 695027 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 234168
< 1382118242 609861 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't och supposed to be “and”, not “or”?
< 1382118254 632215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i was trying not to mention that.
< 1382118291 763657 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: je vois.
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< 1382118352 120490 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb here's your save http://www.filedropper.com/showdownload.php/region3
< 1382118352 266384 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382118386 584479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a vague sense that the distinction is slightly different than in english, so that it's not _entirely_ wrong to use och. although not wise in math.
< 1382118407 4006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that maybe it's not clear in english either, outside math.
< 1382118444 304853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically about how much of the phrase and/or/och/eller distribute over
< 1382118467 12183 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I meant to write or
< 1382118657 944564 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or/och/eller/pis/oubedon
< 1382118702 954717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf language is that
< 1382118716 518595 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible, terrible, vernacular Québec French.
< 1382118746 816712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1382118760 660866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i recognized the "ou" part.
< 1382118792 936342 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«oubedon» is «ou bien donc» mashed, mangled, corrupted and otherwise blended with a lawnmower.
< 1382118829 859962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's no worse than what happened when french got made in the first place.
< 1382118909 464175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall reading some claim that if you ignore the writing system, french is a highly agglutinative language. although i also recall disagreement with that.
< 1382118943 84990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, "je" is basically a subject prefix.
< 1382118975 911584 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have thought somebody would have noticed romance grammar being agglutinative
< 1382119006 624706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was french only, not the other ones.
< 1382119031 177073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean italian still frequently _drops_ the equivalent word to je (io)
< 1382119047 676289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think spanish is the same
< 1382119076 448562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but french has mushed its original suffixes so much that it needs to keep the pronouns.
< 1382119132 349222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when pronounced.
< 1382119280 852388 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
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< 1382119543 11214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although e.g. german keeps the pronouns even if it has most of the suffixes left to do without them.
< 1382119653 260717 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382119704 573464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's an "ick"? <-- the C-INTERCAL compiler iirc
< 1382119747 380903 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382119771 142344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION keeps wondering if Uguubee111117 is Kjugobe's evil twin.
< 1382119988 419508 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1382120049 156822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (delicious curry chicken and eggplant ratatouille over rice) <-- wait i thought quebec didn't have proper french cuisine.
< 1382120069 920866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's not very french, mind.
< 1382120076 292356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the ratatouille.
< 1382120114 645795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*é
< 1382120383 132792 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :French is I think the only romance language that retains extensive pronoun usage.
< 1382120411 392099 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm a man eating chicken of the World.
< 1382120466 525145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily
< 1382120472 41048 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is the brother of Roujo's brother and he's monetizing the company Roujo works at, or something Canadian like that. He's also a NaniDispenser.
< 1382120473 983708 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with written French, you *could* drop pronouns and maybe lose a little bit of information, but it's impossible with spoken French.
< 1382120533 80293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/ser./ser, and a Man Eating Chicken./' wisdom/boily
< 1382120538 157200 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1382120544 885666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily
< 1382120547 772116 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is the brother of Roujo's brother and he's monetizing the company Roujo works at, or something Canadian like that. He's also a NaniDispenser, and a Man Eating Chicken.
< 1382120843 288219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The how-to guide to changing the topic | PDF yourself: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ or http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1382120882 380859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old topic was starting to smell.
< 1382120937 856380 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net TOPIC #esoteric :The how-to guide to changing the topic with perfume | PDF yourself: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ or http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1382120947 178082 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there. much better, eh?
< 1382120974 857028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't _reduce_ smell, boily.
< 1382121007 841176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of the allergic.
< 1382121079 60551 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net TOPIC #esoteric :The how-to guide to changing the topic with environmentally friendly hypoallergenic perfume | PDF yourself: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ or http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1382121111 874732 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you're going to point out that perfume is a known carcinogen or something like that, aren't you?
< 1382121145 122613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah the fetal matter in it actually prevents cancer.
< 1382121187 76944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no worries.
< 1382121222 774936 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about hyperallergenic perfume
< 1382121223 119640 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fœtal, or fecal?
< 1382121232 112846 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: patchouli.
< 1382121523 154432 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.155.197 QUIT :
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< 1382122669 986188 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382122683 140584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: fœtal
< 1382122702 162790 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:31:51: and then you're going to point out that perfume is a known carcinogen or something like that, aren't you?
< 1382122707 481549 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mumbles something about benzene
< 1382122754 33039 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover NICK :Phantom_Hoover
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< 1382123937 249144 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people always complain about patchouli, but I think I never smelled it.
< 1382124036 863481 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
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< 1382125917 178988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there's now a #rust-osdev (on irc.mozilla.org) and https://github.com/mozilla/rust/wiki/Operating-system-development
< 1382125927 200289 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure they'd like to chat about Rust on Xen
< 1382125950 632890 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have the rust-osdev people met the nodejs-osdev ones?
< 1382126010 38906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsrust
< 1382126040 617550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I... didn't know there was such a group
< 1382126070 97484 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like
< 1382126078 114902 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm just naming it like that. there was that recent article about that Visionary Guy who Never Wrote Oses and would very much like write one with Nodejs.
< 1382126143 257564 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone explain electricity to me. i'm dyin here
< 1382126171 183357 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: electron movement.
< 1382126184 303029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I an absurd person for writing things like "$(dirname "$(readlink -f "$0")")/foo"
< 1382126194 390625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there A Better Way for a shell script to refer to another file in the same directory as the script?
< 1382126201 262720 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: including stuff that makes electrons move, but I can't explain that part because it makes my head hurt.
< 1382126215 491237 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah but like how come voltage is a difference in potential and then in circuits you talk about "voltage at a point".
< 1382126234 2121 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ./foo?
< 1382126249 87507 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :voltage at a point is an abuse of language. the reference in that case is implicit, and is the ground.
< 1382126298 40151 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a really confusing abuse of language ;_;
< 1382126311 584321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: my working directory might not be the directory where the script lives
< 1382126314 992438 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. took me ages to understand that one, and I'm a certified engineer.
< 1382126316 171421 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1382126329 756140 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that helps though. probably.
< 1382126403 153734 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, take a simple circuit with an AA battery and a light. the + pole is said to be “at 1.5 V [relatively to the ground]”.
< 1382126428 582099 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because relating potential difference to the ground is the most common case, it gets thrown out because it is generally understood.
< 1382126458 648391 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that means that moving a a coulomb's worth of electrons from ground to that pole would take 1.5 J, right?
< 1382126494 596851 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. it's the difference that is measurable, therefore we use volts.
< 1382126516 604005 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't know the starting point, we don't know the end point, but we know the difference between them is 1.5 J/C.
< 1382126562 233092 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the battery, through chemical work, is able to add that amount of energy per «paquet d'électrons».
< 1382126575 232722 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, electromotive force.
< 1382126578 176456 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, right, i've seen everything saying that about difference, and that's all well and good, and then they kind of ignore it.
< 1382126578 737215 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382126640 828449 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even more confusing when, say, you have your nice DC circuit going on, and then you decide to plug it into the mains with a diode bridge.
< 1382126655 883499 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are words you have arranged into a sentence.
< 1382126684 719784 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you like it to be translated in French? I can garantee it's going to make as much sense.
< 1382126690 849138 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_;
< 1382126711 31422 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diode_bridge
< 1382126904 335015 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're running Linux, you should try ktechlab.
< 1382126944 591303 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. probably not. seems to be pretty much dead, and running on qt3.
< 1382126963 813410 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there are any easy-to-use electronics simulators out there...
< 1382126973 7310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION solves the problem a different way
< 1382127162 447840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: btw iirc the fact that you cannot determine more than differences in potential gives rise through noether's theorem to the conservation of charge.
< 1382127257 652317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, adding any constant to all potentials is a symmetry.
< 1382127279 706588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, element of a symmetry group.
< 1382127303 214632 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you're losing me. maths and me makes 3.
< 1382127394 540891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1382127417 440396 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://123d.circuits.io/ ← looks interesting.
< 1382127424 687917 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm already too demoralized
< 1382127440 901368 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooo!
< 1382127467 380571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :noether's theorem is a wonderful theorem in physics that says that global symmetries imply conserved physical quantities.
< 1382127491 701747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact you can only measure _position_ relatively, for example, gives the conservation of momentum.
< 1382127504 231148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in a sense, time gives energy.
< 1382127553 632170 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1382127557 377980 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...???
< 1382127559 596779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rotation/direction gives angular momentum.
< 1382127585 439254 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be a lot better off if i could understand a tenth of everything noether did
< 1382127612 529030 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bookmarks link for some later time when he's not drowning in his own failure
< 1382127625 144366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the time one is sort of circular, i think, because this is all based on a formalism where you base physics on an energy function (the lagrangian or hamiltonian)
< 1382127653 54672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do you include the algebra work in that? :D
< 1382127663 564436 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: ↑ I think you have a nice example here of what it is to be oerjan.
< 1382127671 954124 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_____@
< 1382127672 99680 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1382127673 988024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1382127706 520711 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: obviously.
< 1382127714 103631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: note that i cannot actually use these formalisms myself. never had a proper mechanics course.
< 1382127723 952653 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i think noether i think conservation and something about chains.
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< 1382127759 771761 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should bring my bro to this chännel again. he could strike interesting conversations with oerjan about that physics/mathematics stuff.
< 1382127766 688584 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, how does relative position thingy imply momentum conservation?
< 1382127781 451776 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliens.
< 1382127782 802597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i don't recall noether did much _other_ than her famous theorem that was in physics.
< 1382127805 670452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: er, math.
< 1382127814 692661 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol.
< 1382127826 266743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do an integral iirc.
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< 1382127880 452009 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&from=Noether&to=Noggin_%28TV_channel%29
< 1382127928 242638 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess some of these are max.
< 1382127928 576824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: oh also in case you don't already, maybe you'd like to know that noether was a woman.
< 1382127950 887687 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that bit ^^; though I really should learn more about her
< 1382127980 525467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think she's considered the greatest woman mathematician in history so far.
< 1382128010 792812 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 NICK :carado
< 1382128203 874628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i also think the italic ones may be redirects?
< 1382128219 28226 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ever
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< 1382128383 10706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had to check euler, that was over a page
< 1382128481 350746 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :noether has done less math than euler and i have done less biology than darwin, yes
< 1382128702 436223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darwin has a bit more, but i think many of those are just named in honor of him
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< 1382131343 129680 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: when I've tried to write stuff like "$(dirname "$(readlink -f "$0")")/foo" it has usually fallen on the lack of a useful and portable readlink program that is likely to be installed on the user's system
< 1382131490 59470 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to answer the actual question: yes, trying to solve a problem "correctly" is weird, normal people just throw together some half-assed broken solution like ./foo or $(dirname $0)
< 1382131497 415152 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even simply requiring that the script is run from a particular working directory
< 1382131559 22919 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm bored
< 1382131583 681155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to symlink scripts around
< 1382131586 855144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry you're bored olsner
< 1382131632 833092 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : so like, how does relative position thingy imply momentum conservation?
< 1382131642 843425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all lagrangian mechanics or something
< 1382131652 433305 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382131652 731797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: and yeah, istr that readlink -f doesn't work on OS X
< 1382131663 304341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't everyone use Debian ._.
< 1382131690 740290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :like any symmetry in the laws of physics maps to a conservation law
< 1382131707 538303 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to find a 1941 journal volume for something and it says that it cost $3 per volume for a subscription.
< 1382131712 746697 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is bullshit, modern world
< 1382131731 48510 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oerjan said the same thing, damn him)
< 1382131795 157806 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently that's around $48 in modern USD, christ.
< 1382131832 739340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i don't think you can blame me when i actually started the conversation.
< 1382131862 852744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru fax
< 1382131879 608081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame you even more
< 1382131904 26404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way lies disaster, Phantom_Hoover
< 1382132823 432859 :SingingBoyo!~sboyo@dhcp-128-189-206-118.ubcsecure.wireless.ubc.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1382133400 191090 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1382133597 964988 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know where I could get a set of gears to play with? With stuff like differentials or gearboxes.
< 1382133612 534270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D printer
< 1382133658 272886 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, scbearhol has a ceramics printer
< 1382133661 44694 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :school*
< 1382133664 195498 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bears i think
< 1382133693 375411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a furry typo
< 1382134262 866551 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382134481 844605 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382135510 639531 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1382135873 200798 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the library has Serbian mathematical journals from the seventies, and I just happened to pick the one that mentioned Aczel.
< 1382136138 170089 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-175.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382136264 261363 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, fucking aczel, right
< 1382136292 712758 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, right
< 1382136333 824856 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's the same one anyway, i don't know why else you'd write about... "saturated theories"
< 1382136410 688066 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382136419 482146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday in my kitchen there was a discussion of Kant and RMS and it was decided that RMS doesn't understand Kant
< 1382136432 33038 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand kant either.
< 1382136438 44273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg me too bike
< 1382136438 597931 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, I'm ill
< 1382136442 949673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1382136444 855370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind?
< 1382136459 596061 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A coldy thing
< 1382136471 541577 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blocked nose, headache, the air tastes wrong
< 1382136476 184734 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fresher's flu is, i believe, the medical term
< 1382136485 861483 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Occasional throaty cough
< 1382136499 639933 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't feel so bad about it because hegel seems to have understood kant weirdly. of course i don't understand hegel either.
< 1382136505 324872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kant understand why
< 1382136512 163108 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i only got it in term two)
< 1382136535 692890 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because hegel's writing style is difficult and he called india a faeryland, oerjan.
< 1382136557 871056 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think I've turned Les Miserables into a comfort film
< 1382136595 75276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he couldn't stand kant because of his dialectic
< 1382136650 225806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's stupid program: HTK.
< 1382136653 110346 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1382136674 766605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a film called Les Comfortables that you can use to get misery
< 1382136714 539570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FillTabFromParm: cannot convert MELSPEC to MFCC_D_A_Z_0"
< 1382136742 229081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no sensible reason why not, except that the code is a steaming pile of a turd.
< 1382136752 318343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can categorically say that it's imperative to understand kant.
< 1382136887 595200 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the strongest thing i have ever heard fizzie say
< 1382136899 836253 :drlemon_!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382136960 956100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :somefunction(float *data) { ... float *fp = data-1; for (i=1;i<=nframes;i++) ... fp[i] ... } I honestly thought the "let's make 1-indexed arrays by pointing pointers one before the start" thing was an urban legend or something.
< 1382136970 266008 :drlemon_!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that a scary few minutes without me?
< 1382136971 34795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a pervasive idiom in this codebase.)
< 1382137036 696657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :drlemon_: yeah fizzie was telling horror stories
< 1382137051 698992 :drlemon_!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com NICK :drlemon
< 1382137054 993935 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1382137059 343851 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, nickname is back
< 1382137063 491582 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my goodness.
< 1382137081 683415 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: iirc that's actually undefined behaviour or something!
< 1382137088 222310 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what isn't
< 1382137275 767160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It also uses a "Vector" datatype everywhere for "N floats plus a size"; that's implemented by a typedef float *Vector; and allocating (N+1)*sizeof(float) bytes, then doing *(int *)vector = N; to store the size in the memory that should be occupied by the first float, and then using vector[1] .. vector[N] for the actual storage.
< 1382137302 459330 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :help.
< 1382137357 678484 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :
< 1382137491 195571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: There's also a SVector type that allocates 2*sizeof(Ptr)+(N+1)*sizeof(float) bytes, puts two pointers in the beginning and then the contents of a Vector after, and returns a pointer there in the middle so that you can still use it as svector[1]..svector[N].
< 1382137522 465001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also ((Ptr*)svector)[-1] and [-2] to get at those pointers.
< 1382137524 811801 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_;
< 1382137530 542501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All this makes for very clean code.
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< 1382137700 199886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/AbIj is another end result.
< 1382138442 168967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: You want me topic what?
< 1382138476 71128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/fLib yes that is good thing.
< 1382139082 481197 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1382139632 405273 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, jesus, it's like this code has... broken you
< 1382139657 770079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait but it's not MATLAB anymore
< 1382139683 903543 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the matlab is coming from inside the c
< 1382139796 310873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where most things come from
< 1382139797 868933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultimately
< 1382139835 727828 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1382139940 474175 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSX3piF5ww8
< 1382139945 674604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... want to get soundsense now
< 1382140141 133527 :SingingBoyo!~sboyo@154.5.185.114 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382140218 541311 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: It's not UB if you actually allocate space there! :P
< 1382140252 703353 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, that (int*) cast actually *does* invoke UB.
< 1382140294 253531 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think dynamic typing in and of itself doesn't bother me as much as the idiotic API design decisions that dynamic typing often acts as an enabler for
< 1382140296 367224 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :"N floats plus a size" should be a typedef struct {size_t size; float array[]} *Vector;
< 1382140311 802628 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, if you're a wuss
< 1382140316 565699 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This argument can be returned directly from the function if this other thing isn't found. Unless the argument is a function, in which case it will be called"
< 1382140320 402134 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THat sort of thing
< 1382140331 130652 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that sucks.
< 1382140338 978302 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glares at Racket
< 1382140353 501150 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably your mindset is what led to the "bondage and discipline typing" joke.
< 1382140357 741848 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/hashtables.html?q=hash-ref#%28def._%28%28quote._~23~25kernel%29._hash-ref%29%29
< 1382140372 982203 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. Does anyone know of a mathematician named Holden. Probably early 20th century, worked in analysis.
< 1382140391 471894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1382140391 617385 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although at least in that case it's possible to write code that safely does what you want without needing to check types yourself
< 1382140393 624628 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: lol nice.
< 1382140404 856662 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glares at Clojure's trampoline
< 1382140442 192920 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncited references suck.
< 1382140445 315838 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.core/trampoline
< 1382140459 189555 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that if you want to return a fn as a
< 1382140459 335104 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :final value, you must wrap it in some data structure and unpack it
< 1382140459 335185 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after trampoline returns."
< 1382140472 638817 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. it's at typo for Holder. Fuckin ggreat
< 1382140512 425330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be crashing due to MAX_PATH.
< 1382140515 658973 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can't correct the author because they have been dead for fifty years.
< 1382140517 232879 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MATH IS HARD
< 1382140558 241916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, I have this file list, it's at /akulabra/projects/T40511/htkallas/reverb-challenge/sys/asr/lib_revmask_a19_b0p43_g1p4_bcmi_N1000_G5_T5_norm0_MFCC_0_D_A_Z_CEPLIFTER_1/flists/reverbWSJcam0/revmask_a19_b0p43_g1p4_bcmi_N1000_G5_T5_norm0_MFCC_0_D_A_Z_CEPLIFTER_1.lst
< 1382140568 338515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some might consider that as a long path.
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< 1382140676 665439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't crash when I run it single-tasked; the parallelization introduces a couple more hoops to jump through, could be that pushes it over the edge.
< 1382140676 946904 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Poincaré-Bendixson theorem for the Klein bottle" must be the most useful article in history
< 1382141013 169648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The parallelization machinery involves setting the output path to something with 322 characters.
< 1382141194 830937 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly 322 eh
< 1382141233 665498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :static char scriptBuf[256]; /* buffer for current script arg */
< 1382141237 47134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye-ah.
< 1382141243 463983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : scriptBuf[i++] = ch; /* #### ge: should check for overflow of scriptBuf */
< 1382141248 744845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't say?
< 1382141263 292496 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey, a classic buffer overflow?
< 1382141266 991649 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo do some privilege escalatin
< 1382141273 786309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From myself to myself?
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< 1382141307 523505 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :To whoever wrote this code so you can make their computer cuss at them when it boots up, obviously
< 1382141595 20471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if "ge:" indicates a person.
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< 1382149698 863957 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now in Dungeons&Dragons game my familiar grants +3 bonus to my Swim skill if the distance between them does not exceed one mile.
< 1382149704 442226 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages-loud
< 1382149704 587624 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc said 2d 4h 54m 53s ago: gcc 4.7.2 doesn't warn me about "if ((x == 4) && (y = 0))" being always false, even with -Wall -Wextra -O3
< 1382149738 133863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: O, too bad. Well, I suppose that's OK; such a warning isn't really a requirement.
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< 1382149923 992816 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define equals ==
< 1382150041 291608 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/ibogost/status/391390862061891584/photo/1/large who's ready for this
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< 1382150746 732738 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: since I'm too lazy to read a blog post right now: How does Qoppa/Kernel handle mapping a non-applicative operative onto a list?
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< 1382150820 498385 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure kernel signals an error.
< 1382150858 40682 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1382150889 708435 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking that, however Racket calls Qoppa functions, it could probably just behave similarly
< 1382150912 757805 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since there are similar issues involved with trying to get operatives to work in higher-order situations
< 1382150931 386684 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well, kernel says it takes an applicative, which is mostly the same.
< 1382151002 478477 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would Kernel's map be able to tell the difference between applicative operatives and non-applicative operatives?
< 1382151013 14591 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean combiners?
< 1382151015 195126 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, ... meant Qoppa, but you didn't say Qoppa, so n/m
< 1382151021 146813 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. dunno.
< 1382151059 479427 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The clear solution here is to avoid the unwrap. Just have map do (eval (cons combiner args) ...). it's manly.
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< 1382156613 506565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this kind of familiar?
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< 1382156970 817530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some computers have media playback controls on the keyboard, but I want them on the pedals, I think it would be more useful that way, isn't it?
< 1382156992 362955 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: for qoppa the answer is "poorly"
< 1382156996 299095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in kernel it's a type error, i think
< 1382156997 399098 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :'the' pedals, huh
< 1382157005 613963 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because applicatives and operatives are distinguished
< 1382157022 652802 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, at least I kind of understand a reason for applicatives not being just operatives in Kernel now
< 1382157031 558776 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you just said it
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< 1382157207 726989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's time for me to learn about wavelet trees for real
< 1382157224 302267 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, one of shutt's big concerns was dealing with the (lambda (x) (x y)) problem.
< 1382157260 974755 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never actually read the paper... and it was a while since I read the spec
< 1382157301 108434 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, if anyone's around tomorrow remind me to seriously work on my implementation.
< 1382157404 472079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of?
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< 1382157441 720493 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kernel"
< 1382157444 434963 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1382157451 637228 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have to find another obscure greek letter
< 1382157467 744846 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i mostly name it with curses and pink floyd names
< 1382157514 636628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or use other alphabets
< 1382157540 446357 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's either that or.... an esolang (!!!!)
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< 1382158453 268671 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still need to try to read SRFI-72
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< 1382161423 400813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "SRFI-72" mean?
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< 1382161576 593565 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme request for implementation #72
< 1382161718 357368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brother told me to make up a trainer card for the Pokemon card game, with the effect "The trash can is empty." and then see if some people make up different interpretation for it. I did make up some interpretation for it, like I did for "Goblins cannot reach Nirvana." in Magic: the Gathering (on a global enchantment card named "Nirvana"). Do you?
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< 1382161878 409354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you interpret these effects?
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< 1382163290 710541 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 43
< 1382163297 404154 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 43: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex
< 1382163369 332113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? This is when we summon the familiar, figure out the ring, store the books and curtain in a spare room, and a few other things.
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< 1382163874 820483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wow just saw the code for 1-indexed arrays in C
< 1382163933 210324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I blame MATLAB for that
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< 1382164042 714673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of code for 1-indexed arrays in C did you see?
< 1382164182 426837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : somefunction(float *data) { ... float *fp = data-1; for (i=1;i<=nframes;i++) ... fp[i] ... } I honestly thought the "let's make 1-indexed arrays by pointing pointers one before the start" thing was an urban legend or something.
< 1382164246 814219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no I have done it too actually, but rarely.
< 1382164271 323135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you do it?
< 1382164282 26577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not remember.
< 1382164290 208506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: isn't it undefined behavior?
< 1382164305 266666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On some computers it is, but on most computers it works.
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< 1382164317 402875 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on all computers it's undefined behavior :<
< 1382164325 671499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok
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< 1382164538 130246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you think about the fact that in C, char can be either signed or unsigned
< 1382164582 972272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think it can be dealt with; some functions always treat it as unsigned anyways.
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< 1382164764 574025 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since some functions always treat it as unsigned, it can be used to sort big-endian numbers, for example.)
< 1382164846 862656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int counts[256]; void count(char *p) { for (; *p; p++) counts[*p]++; }
< 1382164848 857708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :best vuln ever
< 1382164879 382129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think GCC might warn if you do that; I think I saw such a warning once.
< 1382164888 218871 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it warns about char as an array index
< 1382164902 637238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's fun to write an exploit for such a vuln
< 1382164953 829102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was the occasion on which I had to write shellcode where 2 out of every 4 bytes are 00 00
< 1382164962 922407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or code to jump to shellcode anyway
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< 1382165089 530671 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still can't figure out how to write a complete main() in ascii
< 1382165103 875239 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both ret and syscall are non-printable
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< 1382165339 926190 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When writing codes that can take untrusted input into higher privilege codes I am always being much more careful than that.
< 1382165394 216391 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'const char main[] = "AXAYAZA[A\\ATX-pppp-0```- ///P^VTXH10XP4>40PZ414>P_\x0f\x05XATASARAQAP\xc3Hello, world!\n";' > hello.c && cat hello.c
< 1382165398 527739 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :const char main[] = "AXAYAZA[A\ATX-pppp-0```- ///P^VTXH10XP4>40PZ414>P_XATASARAQAPHello, world! \ ";
< 1382165414 66424 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run gcc hello.c -o hello && ./hello
< 1382165416 723251 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello.c:1:21: warning: missing terminating " character \ hello.c:1: error: missing terminating " character \ hello.c:2:1: warning: missing terminating " character \ hello.c:2: error: missing terminating " character \ hello.c:2: error: expected expression at end of input
< 1382165450 676302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet Quiz Engine is one such program; it has no buffer overflows because it has no buffers; everything is done one at a time. It doesn't allocate memory dynamically either. Other things are also done to improve the security; IQE isn't Turing complete, and the upload service performs some checks on it too.
< 1382165455 87635 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run gcc hello.c -o hello && ./hello
< 1382165463 589015 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world!
< 1382165565 789473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there is also the operating system security to avoid a few things in case something else goes wrong.
< 1382165595 692218 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well on AMD64 Linux there are SYSCALL instructions in known locations, specifically within the legacy vsyscall page
< 1382165606 569036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the addresses are not ASCII but you can probably compute them
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< 1382165627 200800 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other solution would be self-modifying code but rwx pages are hard to come by these days
< 1382165710 697127 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run readelf -e hello | fgrep -A1 .plt
< 1382165712 378420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have sometimes used a few self-modifying codes.
< 1382165713 199298 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric : [11] .rela.plt RELA 0000000000400358 00000358 \ 0000000000000018 0000000000000018 A 6 13 8 \ -- \ [13] .plt PROGBITS 0000000000400388 00000388 \ 0000000000000020 0000000000000010 AX 0 0 4 \ -- \ [24] .got.plt PROGBITS 0000000000600860
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< 1382165778 867287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Linux have anything like DOS .COM programs?
< 1382165829 46774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simplest executable format that Linux supports natively is a.out
< 1382165879 28091 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the format really named a.out
< 1382165881 948737 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is)
< 1382165919 290603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably make a binfmt_misc rule that runs any file marked executable as raw machine code
< 1382165922 323515 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be fun
< 1382165960 6649 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run any file marked executable as shell script
< 1382166023 790444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, DOS .COM involves the operating system setting up some things automatically and then it just executes the program loaded in the allocated segment. Very simple and reasonable.
< 1382166062 317105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once written a file called PALETTE.COM which takes a drive letter on the command-line parameter and an octal number, and uses that to program the colors of the screen.
< 1382166095 958317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Parsing drive letters and file specifications is one thing DOS will automatically do when loading .COM programs.)
< 1382166210 258703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once looked at a BASIC compiler into .COM; it has some unusual features, one is that it completely ignores parentheses (and treats them as spaces), which can cause many problems.
< 1382166377 307441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite an unusual feature indeed
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< 1382166414 336911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one might even go so far as to call it a bug
< 1382166414 891390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it also ignored commas in the same way.
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< 1382166525 409561 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This includes parentheses and commas for function calls, and since some function calls can take varying number of arguments, it can cause ambiguities.
< 1382166705 520040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a mathematical description I wrote yesterday, I used a type I called "enum", which means a set of unique values deriving Eq (and only Eq). And then the value of that type is used as a type, too (for example: F : enum; V : enum: C : F -> set V; ...). Is there something similar in any version of Haskell?
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< 1382166876 625825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I was writing a mathematical description of a puzzle game. A problem is defined as (F : enum, V : enum, C : F -> set V, N_F : F -> nat, N_V : V -> nat), and a solution to a problem is (S : V -> nat) where forall x in V. S(X) <= N_V(x), and forall f in F. N_F(f) = sum of S(x) for x in C(f).
< 1382166896 684793 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this system have a name already?
< 1382166992 347092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know anything about this? I defined it as a generalization of a different game from some book.
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< 1382167168 200270 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you able to figure this out?
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< 1382167181 483000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think you can indeed blame MATLAB, I'm sure that's where the developers got the habit of 1-based indexing.
< 1382167230 439717 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It isn't only MATLAB that uses 1-based indexing, though. BASIC can use whatever numbers you want for indexing.
< 1382167282 986109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think I saw a binfmt_misc for ".com-like" programs.
< 1382167356 981926 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so can perl
< 1382167411 786137 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: OK. (I am not so good at Perl)
< 1382167421 511215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all true, but there's a statistical likelihood of HTK developers being MATLAB users. (Could be wrong.)
< 1382167445 450387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl's array index base modifier is common for all arrays, though.
< 1382167475 994808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC (and maybe Pascal?) can specify dimensions per-array, IIRC.
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< 1382167503 259763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That isn't so good. BASIC defines it individually per array (although you can set a default using the OPTION BASE command), which is a better way, I think. Yes I do think Pascal can do it too.
< 1382167505 25072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If not Pascal, then there's at least some others with the feature.)
< 1382167510 468408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okays.
< 1382167537 153007 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have books of two prettyprinted Pascal programs, so I know some things about it.
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< 1382167664 241363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you figure out what game I was generalizing, or if this generalized form has another name already, or if I made any mistakes in this mathematical description of it, or other things you can figure of it, or etc?
< 1382167745 58223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there SoC for DVD video player? I think I saw a TV set that seems to use such a thing (the SoC hypothesis would explain the way some of its functions work).
< 1382167791 814422 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tv on a chip
< 1382167798 976200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw such a thing at argo electronics once, I think
< 1382167810 216724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://makezine.com/2008/02/25/argo-electronics-surplus/
< 1382167829 350604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in this case it was only the DVD function that uses a separate SoC from the rest of the TV, though.
< 1382167853 825277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah what i saw was an analog tv on a chip from the 80s
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< 1382168063 387222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, another HTK thing; this is what compiling it looks like: http://sprunge.us/VjUG (just an extract)
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< 1382168211 36901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :negs = (int)up_hmm->hook+1; up_hmm->hook = (void *)negs;
< 1382168218 867622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's full of "let's put an int in a pointer", too.
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< 1382168474 429211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's one of the "set but not used", and while it may be correct, it sure looks like a 'cb'-to-'cn' typo: http://sprunge.us/cdPR
< 1382168490 743013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm frankly surprised this code ever gets any correct results.
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< 1382169594 419486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this book, the games "Number Place" and "Skyscrapers" both involve Latin squares. Perhaps they could be combined! (The rules for the combined game are obvious, but I don't know if there are any such puzzles.)
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< 1382171023 959215 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason this system leaves the stack executable by default, yet there seems to be no way to jump to it in ascii.
< 1382171046 679794 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of system has an executable stack but not executable plt, anyway.
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< 1382172630 353945 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HFBLat.c: In function ‘SetCorrectnessAsError’:
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< 1382173105 866807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"221 2.7.0 Error: I can break rules, too. Goodbye." -- Postfix, if you forget the DATA command and go directly to "From: whoever@whatever" when doing some SMTP testing.
< 1382173142 899285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it's some sort of a spambot detection scheme. (If you say something else wrong, it's usually "502 5.5.2 Error: command not recognized" instead.)
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< 1382173948 958243 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It also could be a joke
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< 1382175607 789534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, "Mr. 4679" (the port-knocker) is back at it *again*.
< 1382175637 382567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can be bothered to send a third abuse@ email because it seems to do nothing except possibly a temporary disconnect.
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< 1382180165 319599 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do petrol stations sell milk
< 1382180348 999048 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows
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< 1382180360 932201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you going to a petrol station though
< 1382180399 764971 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's closer than the supermarket
< 1382180413 355522 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :only petrol stations that sell milk sell milk
< 1382180425 230674 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I'm pretty sure that statement is tautologous
< 1382180446 477305 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it does suggest eg supermarkets and dairies do not sell milk
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< 1382180992 910198 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the easiest way to find out if they sell milk is to walk over and see
< 1382181133 708216 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can call them and ask?
< 1382181151 649834 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any credit on my phone
< 1382181170 429233 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's almost literally next door
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< 1382181545 205721 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I know many petrol stations sell coffee, htht
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< 1382181718 907608 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, I don't drink coffee
< 1382181722 655463 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I drink nothing but milk
< 1382181728 59667 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good
< 1382181732 595911 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some other things
< 1382181733 281567 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :milk is good
< 1382181738 615420 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But probably more milk than average
< 1382181745 670433 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you dutch?
< 1382181754 841607 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not
< 1382181759 523201 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you ask?
< 1382181778 433697 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everytime people realize how much milk I drink, they ask me if I'm dutch
< 1382181803 186198 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do the dutch drink a lot of milk?
< 1382181855 17753 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently
< 1382181865 639014 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
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< 1382185603 254070 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, talk me through the military setup in the fort?
< 1382185617 108395 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382185672 561435 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should run itself (well, once you stitch the soldiers back together again)
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< 1382185703 364039 :asie!~textual@178235109178.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1382185732 391155 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're set to train at all times; the only thing you should need to do once they recover is forge the rest of their armour
< 1382185734 153213 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a hospital?
< 1382185741 844404 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll put it on of their own accord; and no, there is not
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< 1382186020 249349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, oh, and make sure to appoint a new manager
< 1382186042 730765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bookkeeper
< 1382186047 420490 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1382186086 759923 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382186090 983072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and chief medical dorf!
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< 1382186767 278270 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-157.psoas.suomi.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
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< 1382188745 349217 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basic healthcare is going
< 1382188966 562262 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382189218 367609 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
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< 1382189918 587283 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, elves have arrived
< 1382189929 725555 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill them allll
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< 1382190309 938455 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We lost a hammerdwarf in an ambush :(
< 1382190529 167849 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another ambush is happening that seems to be deadlier
< 1382191082 463318 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382191539 293446 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, noooo
< 1382191562 918156 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there was at least one other dorf with weapons skills, more may have migrated)
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< 1382203540 135243 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover siege killed two soldiers :(
< 1382203540 280675 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382203554 496908 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Phantom_Hoover This is why trading is bad!
< 1382203554 642497 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1382205604 760254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Anyway. Does anyone know of a mathematician named Holden. Probably early 20th century, worked in analysis. <-- technically yes, although probably not the one you want :P
< 1382205659 344700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he work{s,ed} at the university here, and also was my previous next door neighbor.)
< 1382205792 254733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Bike for being hideously idle -----###
< 1382205838 550187 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh what a hideous way to idle
< 1382205844 114192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm he has a page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helge_Holden
< 1382206335 756404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Bike See your backscroll and/or the logs.
< 1382206335 938487 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382206441 204527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm are there clients that display nicks differently if they've been idle for a long time?
< 1382206462 208119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that i'd switch to one, but hypothetically)
< 1382206483 978149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course automatic reconnections ruin that anyway.
< 1382206508 634060 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1382206510 228259 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use WHOIS command at least
< 1382206530 201633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So try that
< 1382206564 467006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i use that, but i always keep forgetting to do so until _after_ i've spoken to people.
< 1382206588 843945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, as i said, it doesn't help with automatic reconnections, which reset the timer.
< 1382206601 400886 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1382206651 638810 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually just type a message anyways regardless of they are idle or even not connected at all; the channel is logged.
< 1382206680 576927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i'm too paranoid to trust people to check if they've been spoken to. :(
< 1382206753 874503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :people have all kinds of different habits.
< 1382206780 509060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really trust everyone either, but I do it anyways just in case, and then later when they might be on if they didn't respond already I can reask the question.
< 1382206799 381206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1382206806 749670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also means that other people can answer if they have any answer, even if not the people being asked.
< 1382208027 919589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Do petrol stations sell milk <-- i'm pretty sure it happens.
< 1382208078 712751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Koen_, I don't drink coffee
< 1382208094 516455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could ask for coffee with milk, without the coffee.
< 1382208112 738532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure that should work.
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< 1382208374 836093 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah, they did sell milk
< 1382208665 993027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
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< 1382208680 961182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably more expensive than the supermarket, though.
< 1382208698 314044 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it was
< 1382208712 650688 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I was a) really hungry and b) ill
< 1382208719 688789 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I couldn't be bothered to walk to the supermarket
< 1382208719 980857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bad combination.
< 1382208741 291905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you weren't a zombie. i assume.
< 1382208756 336609 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot recall being a zombie
< 1382208845 252281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's usually a permanent thing.
< 1382209020 580018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What puzzle games are based on Latin squares other than the ones I konw?
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< 1382209240 400183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: other than the ones you mentioned earlier, there's sudoku of course.
< 1382209275 382242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the Number Place game I mentioned is a generalization of sudoku.
< 1382209280 339793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1382209299 136286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall that game.
< 1382209399 100441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :simon tatham's puzzles also has Keen, otherwise known as KenKen.
< 1382209420 780240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, I have read about KenKen too I think.
< 1382209463 425159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules of "Number Place": You are given a grid where each cell belongs to a zone. Some cells also have symbols filled in. Fill in the rest of the cells to make up a Latin square such that each zone also contains exactly one of each symbol.
< 1382209533 434180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has Singles, otherwise known as Hitori, which isn't quite a latin square but does require you to blot out enough parts of it that the rest is consistent with one.
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< 1382209655 621382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :towers is probably what you call skyscrapers.
< 1382209711 418832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rules of "Skyscrapers": You are given a grid, and each row or column heading may have a number at neither, one, or both ends. Make a Latin square (note: the set of symbols in this game must be ordered) such that the number in the heading is equal to the length of the list made by starting at that end, going through the row/column and deleting any symbol that is less than a previous symbol.
< 1382209716 729176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Unequal, otherwise known as Futoshiki also requires a latin square.
< 1382209749 172605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You say towers is probably what I call skyscrapers, now that I wrote the rules, you can know if that is it or not?
< 1382209843 129835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's equivalent afaict. Towers sometimes has a few cells filled in in addition to the numbers outside.
< 1382209927 313100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the ones i could find in that collection that look latin square related.
< 1382209951 15391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other games in this book I have do not involve Latin squares, but there are many games in there.
< 1382209996 220364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall seeing at least futoshiki in a newspaper here. and of course plenty of sudokus.
< 1382210075 264863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's killer sudoku.
< 1382210098 271025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is also in the collection as an option to ordinary sudoku ("solo"))
< 1382210106 198725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In "Dominoes", you are given a grid filled in with symbols and must split it into dominoes (areas of two cells which are orthogonally adjacent), such that no domino contains an identical (unordered) pair of symbols to any other domino. Another rule of this is that every diagram has a unique solution (it can help to solve them, as I have figured out).
< 1382210148 768896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also in tatham's collection as "dominosa".
< 1382210154 195894 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382210212 697048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always feel like i'm cheating when i use the fact that the solution is unique.
< 1382210269 414198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you? That is actually the only game in this book that mentions that in the rules, so I do use it in only this game.
< 1382210275 988235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1382210302 915203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This book does not discuss strategies for solving any of these puzzles; only the rules are specified.)
< 1382210305 234598 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you understand hygienic macros?
< 1382210316 879340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Kind of.
< 1382210327 427014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think some of tatham's puzzles have an option to allow you to request non-unique solution puzzles.
< 1382210341 504333 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is hoping for someone to ask for help when trying to understand the difference between SRFI-72 and Racket's model
< 1382210363 604574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't understand SRFI-72 or Racket, though.
< 1382210397 589712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mathematical description I provided yesterday night (in my timezone) is for a generalization of one of the games in this book I have.
< 1382210460 944999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intended to make the generalization of the game in this book called "Mineswweeper"; did you find any mistake in the one I did?
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< 1382213756 869925 :grupo5-29!brayanmari@190.141.146.34 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382213761 796609 :grupo5-29!brayanmari@190.141.146.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola
< 1382213765 802972 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382213782 432643 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo
< 1382213834 899850 :grupo5-29!brayanmari@190.141.146.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola amor como estas
< 1382213845 167548 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: interesting that "early 20th century" apparently encompasses a guy born in '56 :p
< 1382213895 326962 :grupo5-29!brayanmari@190.141.146.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1382213911 408410 :grupo5-29!brayanmari@190.141.146.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :´what are you
< 1382213936 198686 :grupo5-29!brayanmari@190.141.146.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :._.
< 1382213971 853338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a problem I wrote on a paper to pose to the NPCs of a D&D game, to test their quality of thinking in sideways and other ways: The king of a far away city is allergic to beholders and wants to destroy all of them in this city. However, only half of them have done anything wrong. Identify the problem.
< 1382213983 828136 :grupo5-29!brayanmari@190.141.146.34 QUIT :
< 1382213997 815570 :grupo5-29!riveteo-.a@cpe-6470024469af.cpe.cableonda.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382214051 151079 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rwelcome grupo5-29
< 1382214055 143215 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: rwelcome: not found
< 1382214055 410672 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rwlcome grupo5-29
< 1382214056 601991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hint: "Identify the problem" is a key phrase.)
< 1382214058 748114 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :13grupo5-29: 06Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 13esoteric 06programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 13more 06information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. 13(For 06the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 13#esoteric 06on 04irc.dal.net.)
< 1382214061 130271 :grupo5-29!riveteo-.a@cpe-6470024469af.cpe.cableonda.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :io
< 1382214062 105997 :grupo5-29!riveteo-.a@cpe-6470024469af.cpe.cableonda.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fgokgojh´
< 1382214150 336936 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1382214183 42581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i ignored that part of your question
< 1382214192 92 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you jerk!
< 1382214215 713168 :grupo5-29!riveteo-.a@cpe-6470024469af.cpe.cableonda.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :español??????
< 1382214218 711625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido grupo5-29
< 1382214221 397502 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :grupo5-29: ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.)
< 1382214275 883234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: `rwelcome got renamed. twice.
< 1382214293 352845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why?
< 1382214317 262375 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rid ic u lous
< 1382214344 724802 :grupo5-29!riveteo-.a@cpe-6470024469af.cpe.cableonda.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :que te pica
< 1382214352 969687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well one of them was me trying to think of a punny name (that's `ozcome). the other was probably someone not finding `rwelcome. um those might be related, come to think of it :P
< 1382214843 976931 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bienvenido grupo5-29 | rainwords
< 1382214847 240880 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :06grupo5-29: 04¡Bienvenido 07al 08centro 09internacional 02para 13el 06diseño 04y 07despliegue 08de 09lenguajes 02de 13programación 06esotéricos! 04Por 07desgracia, 08la 09mayoría 02de 13nosotros 06no 04hablamos 07español. 08Para 09obtener 02más 13información, 06echa 04un 07vistazo 08a 09nuestro 02wiki:
< 1382214879 554836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could create links (does the hg filesystem support that?)
< 1382214916 84491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike rainbow, rainwords doesn't check whether the color codes fit in the line.
< 1382214964 89788 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin/*come
< 1382214965 647311 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access bin/*come: No such file or directory
< 1382214974 192846 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm
< 1382214989 880601 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which welcome
< 1382214990 894343 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/bin/welcome
< 1382214998 674816 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pwd
< 1382215000 10696 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv
< 1382215005 651809 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, duh.
< 1382215008 403722 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/*come
< 1382215009 880281 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/ozcome \ bin/relcome \ bin/rwlcome \ bin/welcome \ bin/welcome \ bin/wercome
< 1382215071 730936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting sorting.
< 1382215079 224047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently control characters don't count.
< 1382215096 670255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :blame the new zealanders.
< 1382215135 293856 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ozcome
< 1382215137 812498 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :13Welcome 06to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 13programming 06language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 13information, 06check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. 02(For 13the 06other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 13on 06irc.dal.net.)
< 1382215150 124309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1382215169 148643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right.
< 1382215192 647983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the extra stuff in the spanish pushing it over.
< 1382215202 747386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's still some redundancy w.r.t. ozcome/rwlcome, right?
< 1382215209 753280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1382215234 136167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv bin/rw{,e}lcome
< 1382215237 991084 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1382215268 578315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least use the old name
< 1382215293 927013 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wercome
< 1382215296 102758 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ!詳しく、ウィキを見て: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。(他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ)
< 1382215304 161089 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was exactly what I imagined it would be
< 1382215392 782009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a logical naming scheme.
< 1382215503 148308 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wercome is my new favourite welcome
< 1382215879 221917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that might be a bad idea. not sure whether it gets worse or better with actual japanese.
< 1382215964 256678 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382216078 511155 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`youkoso
< 1382216079 860814 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: youkoso: not found
< 1382216300 395413 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1382218055 151650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in the "Black-C" that I have written about, you might make a hook for program starting like: typedef struct { inline void "create"(void) { ... } } Start; static const Start ex_start;
< 1382218090 486853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this kind of way?
< 1382218309 31363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "create" is an operator overloader. There are others, although the set of possible operator overloaders is different from C++.
< 1382218449 393024 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-200.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382218846 110177 :grupo5-29!riveteo-.a@cpe-6470024469af.cpe.cableonda.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1382218860 930620 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1382218907 179894 :grupo5-29!riveteo-.a@cpe-6470024469af.cpe.cableonda.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hablas español
< 1382218973 414944 :grupo5-29!riveteo-.a@cpe-6470024469af.cpe.cableonda.net QUIT :
< 1382219126 124184 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1382219221 126289 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I've finished my year
< 1382219268 597883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was fast, i thought you just entered university
< 1382219276 98078 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-200.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1382219365 556576 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hang on
< 1382219370 437499 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What year is it?
< 1382219400 868159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :1994
< 1382219408 52258 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah
< 1382219417 776572 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It worked
< 1382219434 840864 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i see you continue to ruin my GLORIOUS MILITARY
< 1382219450 794794 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, some of them are still alive
< 1382219451 480716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have gone further back, 1994 was the year the world really started going downhill again.
< 1382219472 438743 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, one of them has to walk with a crutch but he got injured on your watch
< 1382219474 165375 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382219541 528011 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably this is still your fautl
< 1382219543 74157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fault
< 1382219580 520330 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I set up a crossbow squad but they don't seem to train
< 1382219660 780767 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :crossbow squads are like that
< 1382219826 446267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they only work at cross purposes.
< 1382220361 881459 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What game is #esoteric playing now?
< 1382220382 791955 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to play Pokemon Card.
< 1382220394 497802 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be Shiny Charizard
< 1382220404 786479 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sits mutely, reflecting light
< 1382220423 665556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of what level?
< 1382220501 47126 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :76
< 1382220612 96304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, dwarf fortress
< 1382220613 91506 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :want in
< 1382220621 184686 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't matter if you haven't played
< 1382220639 754123 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may. Last I remembered, the dwarf named after me was some kind of legendary stonecarver
< 1382220656 714351 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that was months ago
< 1382220666 174126 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was over a year, i think
< 1382220686 463879 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is bad at time
< 1382220702 839705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus far neither me nor Taneb have named the dorfs though
< 1382220749 123883 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, we should totally do that
< 1382220819 894397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you should give the name NihilistDandy to a new stone carver whose creativity is crippled by his obsessive comparison of himself to his famous forefather.
< 1382220833 813889 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1382220995 357320 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]
< 1382221085 558054 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that neither seems particularly nihilist nor dandy
< 1382221188 972865 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://25.media.tumblr.com/338e01ac78e86fc9c14ff11fc2f30a2b/tumblr_msfpeiZuL71sydj82o10_r1_1280.jpg bye
< 1382221310 664576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i saw something about a virus demanding ransom for disk contents. and that no one had managed to get them back without paying. (i assume backups were excepted. also i only read the headline or so.)
< 1382221315 761662 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:3cfb:14f2:a1ac:a9c5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, <3
< 1382221402 80056 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah, so you encrypt stuff and then have people pay for the key?
< 1382221417 453476 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's called cryptovirology.
< 1382221427 86080 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CryptoLocker
< 1382221429 800286 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a dumb name, i mean, but
< 1382221510 68837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, you can pay through bitcoin
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< 1382224339 352566 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that is very old
< 1382224349 76992 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :the very first randomware
< 1382224359 866094 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :were scams and never actually encrypted your stuff
< 1382224374 327253 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new ones actually do encrypt it but may not give you your key
< 1382224375 68783 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1382224436 415946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: um why do you think it's very old, i saw it a few weeks ago.
< 1382224492 392793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the wikipedia one clearly _does_ decrypt again on payment.
< 1382224520 809773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only makes sense from a business standpoint.
< 1382224546 382203 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not that specific virus: the idea of ransomware
< 1382224567 458660 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the funniest one I saw did give you a key to decrypt
< 1382224574 698836 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :but implemented the crypto wrong so the key was unusable
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< 1382226682 372122 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :question for the englishters and canucks: what is the name for the quantity measuring the number of kilometers a vehicle can travel on a liter of gas
< 1382226729 258718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: in England we use miles for distances on the roads
< 1382226760 138364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we'd use "mileage" for the distance in miles, and don't have a term for the distance in kilometers (although the general term is "range", which you see/hear used occasionally no matter which units it's in)
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< 1382227057 964648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here in Canada we use kilometres but I don't know what terms are used; I think "km/L" may sometimes be used.
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< 1382227165 930128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Finland: liters per a hundred kilometers, for some reason.
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< 1382227447 950782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The unit for measuring fuel consumption, that is; probably no specific term for distance-for-any-quantity-of-gas, because the conventional unit is the other way around.)
< 1382227538 737611 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you call L/hkm 'fuel consumption'?
< 1382227564 113252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fuel economy" would be the most used term for that sort of ratio in the UK
< 1382227715 448768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, as a literal translation of what I think a Finn would say, "fuel consumption" sounds perhaps closest.
< 1382227729 736742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Polttoaineen kulutus.")
< 1382227946 316137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the unit gets typed as "l/100 km", I don't think you're supposed to combine SI prefixes.
< 1382228041 435452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no SI prefix for myriad? :(
< 1382228110 531750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1382228146 955525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there kinda-sorta was in "pre-SI".
< 1382228178 741777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The prefix myria-, ten thousand,[6][7] denoting a factor of 10000, originated from the Greek μύριοι (mýrioi), that is, myriad, for ten thousand, and the prefixes demi- and double-, denoting a factor of 1⁄2 and 2, respectively,[8] were parts of the original metric system adopted by France in 1795. These were not retained when the SI prefixes were internationally adopted by the 11th CGPM conference in 1960 --"
< 1382228188 578655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be the wrong unit anyway.
< 1382228219 670008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"10 mym" does not seem like much of an improvement over "100 km".
< 1382228267 283361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Sweden and Norway, the myriametre is still very common in everyday use (although not recognized or used officially). In these countries this unit is called mil."
< 1382228281 119949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :liter på mila
< 1382228337 770042 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1382228347 892980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be one lakhmeter, of course.
< 1382228348 323031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the common norwegian unit for the presently discussed concept
< 1382228378 618971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which apparently is abbreviated to L, so l/Lm.
< 1382228378 851874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :l/10km
< 1382228628 917442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Poronkusema", lit. approx. "reindeer-pissing", is an old unit of distance from Lapland.
< 1382228660 31541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the distance you can ride a reindeer before giving it a bathroom break.
< 1382228687 659693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1382228730 728620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i didn't know lappish raindeer were trained to use bathrooms
< 1382228794 10443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_obsolete_units_of_measurement#Miscellaneous
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< 1382229102 336403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reindeer fuel economy is probably measured as jäkälää/poronkusema. (Lichens/)
< 1382229135 308717 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1382229161 283432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :google has determined that the languages I most often translate from are Russian, Finnish, and Hungarian
< 1382229164 722680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm proud of myself
< 1382229172 412331 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382229204 944676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first translation it gives for "poronkusema" is "Poronkusema" (capitalization sic) but the alternative is "piss of a reindeer"
< 1382229247 802683 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1 l/km -> jäkälää/poronkusema
< 1382229261 410156 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: undefined symbol "jäkälää". \ Warning: undefined symbol "poronkusema". \ Warning: undefined symbol "jäkälää". \ Warning: undefined symbol "poronkusema". \ Warning: undefined symbol "jäkälää". \ Warning: undefined symbol "poronkusema". \ Warning: undefined symbol "jäkälää". \ Warning: undefined symbol "poronkusema". \ Unconv
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< 1382232228 923649 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant
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< 1382237245 106225 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-252.psoas.suomi.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
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< 1382238092 756390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I store rosetrees in SQL so that pattern matching is possible?
< 1382238349 527971 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1984 "Dead Hand"
< 1382238386 178753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand_(nuclear_war)
< 1382238453 726457 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the SCP refers to that (as being an anomalous item other than what it's commonly believed to be)
< 1382239185 47559 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man
< 1382239197 422573 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys know that malbolge was mentioned in a tv show?
< 1382239198 965071 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elementary?
< 1382239200 834558 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha
< 1382239228 742347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: I think I have heard of that before.
< 1382239233 830877 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats fantastic :D
< 1382239279 60154 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :transcribing now
< 1382239439 615243 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(`&%:0]!-}|z2Vzwv-,POqponl$Hjih%eB@@>}=,tcl(I&%$#"^CBV?Tx?!
< 1382239465 597651 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :google has no records for the first bit up to the unknown stuff
< 1382239472 127024 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if its genuine malbolge, it was original
< 1382239475 361563 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:3cfb:14f2:a1ac:a9c5 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1382239477 732871 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least not on the internet
< 1382239486 87746 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone on this TV show is a nerd
< 1382239595 784979 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there's a "translation" of the code in malbolge for attacking the random number generator in this episode
< 1382239607 751630 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :E(pi) = Q(pi)/Q(E)+Q(pi)
< 1382239610 997786 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonsense nodoubt
< 1382239697 786876 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about such program.
< 1382239830 98141 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1382240344 469767 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are playing Pokemon card, and you have a card that says "The trash can is empty", then what are you going to do with it? My brother suggest some people might make up different interpretation of such an effect.
< 1382240573 793744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is your brother on irc
< 1382240596 542359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on this IRC.
< 1382240626 495922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one day???
< 1382240642 698127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1382241374 754818 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :any C language lawyers about?
< 1382241405 415875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up this Pokemon card: Basic Pokemon E: { @ } HP: 3 W: - R: - RC: 0 /// POWER: Cannot retreat if confused or poisoned, but can retreat if sleep or paralyze, even if poisoned.
< 1382241410 217143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm only a C paralegal but go ahead
< 1382241455 935829 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what is the difference between "extern int a = 10;" and "int a = 10;" (the initalizer is important)
< 1382241458 159409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :/// { @ }: Discard { @ } attached to this card in order to use this attack. Toss coin, if heads opponent sleeps. If this card is knocked out before your next turn, opponent's active card is knocked out and return all energy cards attached to this card into your hand. /// { *** } [1]
< 1382241472 281898 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this good?
< 1382241477 666364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When the going gets tough, you don't want a criminal laywer, you want a CRIMINAL lawyer, know what I'm saying?"
< 1382241492 150738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :constant: I've never seen extern with an initializer >_>
< 1382241501 547603 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ack
< 1382241560 878496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also made up the stage 1 card, which has HP 6, and has: POWER: Can use attack of basic form unless confused. /// { @@@ } [2]: Toss coin, if heads you may move 1 damage from one opponent's card to another.
< 1382242203 680800 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1382242223 186806 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is external with an initializer even legal
< 1382242274 421124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't know! Would it even mean anything?
< 1382242322 954536 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is one of the C edge cases I'm quite unfamiliar with.
< 1382242333 737220 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :constant: are you seeing this in actual code?
< 1382242343 468607 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no
< 1382242344 53369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what program?
< 1382242344 397748 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only *assume* it's the same as "extern int a;int a = 10;"? But I cannot be certain.
< 1382242352 130081 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. That is, if it's legal..
< 1382242352 999390 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: zzo38: only legal is specific cases
< 1382242359 879373 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if you don't have a defintion
< 1382242362 751348 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which it mightn't be.
< 1382242372 895186 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you try to use link it with another file which also defines it you get linker error
< 1382242428 803530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Perhaps it ought to do that, but, I don't know if it will.
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< 1382242510 708970 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it does, I tried
< 1382242685 155803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1382242704 106262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is it standard to do that or is it implementation-specific feature?
< 1382243331 2414 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: gcc and clang agree
< 1382243336 607697 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :across c99, c89 and c11
< 1382243349 863772 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it appears to be standards allowed if not standards required
< 1382243358 246220 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :both also *warn* in both cases
< 1382243361 97040 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just weird
< 1382243365 865278 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would consider it a standards bug
< 1382244541 384318 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Consensus
< 1382244577 289894 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :“both governments agree that there is only one sovereign state encompassing both mainland China and Taiwan”
< 1382244600 918544 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you new to the wondefulness that is china taiwan
< 1382244637 67124 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the island that was shelled so hard that residents are still making stuff out of bomb metal
< 1382244647 886508 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee hee, cross-strait relations are great
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< 1382245688 456751 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«I hold the conviction that there is a comparable phenomenon [to the influence of the Poincaré conjecture] today in the notion of a “polynomial time algorithm”. Algorithms are becoming worthy of analysis in their own right, not merely as a means to solve other problems. Thus I am suggesting that as the study of the set of solutions of an equation (e.g. a manifold) played such an important role in 20th century mathematics, the ...
< 1382245694 869685 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... study of finding the solutions (e.g. an algorithm) may play an equally important role in the next century.» bro it's 1998.
< 1382245817 116816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not read about extern with initializers in GCC documentation, and I have not mentioned it in the Black-C specification.
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< 1382248741 829930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much do you know of ESC/P format for printing?
< 1382248755 236057 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing.
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< 1382250171 108909 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. I find it amusing that it seems that quoting from the 80s hit "You Spin Me Around" is, in and of itself, considered a tad obscene.
< 1382250237 147260 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a meatspin joke
< 1382250258 704717 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's the reason, yes.
< 1382250318 654936 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, compared to quoting various other 80s hits, you get slightly more nervous laughter
< 1382250363 261320 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i didn't think it was actually realted
< 1382250516 460691 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's obscene by association. being quoted in the right (or wrong) context can change what a song signifies culturally.
< 1382250793 969494 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"By association" should not be allowed to count in many cases.
< 1382250989 543962 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1382251011 536327 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny watching a video from the 1950s about a "computer" made of gears.
< 1382251129 128275 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's such a thing as a "snail cam". do you like this?
< 1382251329 903249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike.zzo38.moed++
< 1382251351 193369 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1382251366 440996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know it.
< 1382251437 57391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there is a way to make a Haskell type which acts like the type I have called "enum" in mathematical descriptions of some things?
< 1382251438 916487 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had no idea you could make a cam to compute, like, tangent.
< 1382251468 517647 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't know either!
< 1382251501 154153 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or reciprocal. or apparently anything smooth. it looks weird
< 1382251666 506250 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the barrel contains an infinite number of cams"
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< 1382253090 606066 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I actually like racket/match better than Haskell pattern-matching
< 1382253182 372249 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :radix sort is everything that is terrible about computer science
< 1382253226 860620 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: How come?
< 1382253230 910269 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: how come
< 1382253283 442560 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beyond being able to make your own patterns, it has or and and
< 1382253311 264279 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: because it's theoretically linear but in all the worst ways
< 1382253320 68099 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works only on a restricted input dataset
< 1382253345 58524 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT in 99% of real-world applications, these restrictions in fact exist
< 1382253351 143790 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why are you replying to me? Was your radix sort statement in relation to racket/match?
< 1382253351 644737 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Oh, I think Rust's pattern matching has OR but doesn't have AND
< 1382253353 921398 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT it's still slower than other algorithms
< 1382253361 78593 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I can't read
< 1382253362 43388 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ^
< 1382253417 599374 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, racket/match is starting to be the only place, besides macros, where I like Racket's approach more than Haskell's
< 1382253429 520295 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of depressing
< 1382253440 339501 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION merge sorts coppro
< 1382253543 551044 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and first-class continuations
< 1382253583 273973 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't haskell have a cont monad for ya
< 1382253651 548733 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a Cont monad, also known as the "mother of all monads"
< 1382253676 626341 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not especially inclined to call what Cont does "first-class continuations", though I need more thought
< 1382253687 820613 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, what Racket does is probably nicer
< 1382253720 30566 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I don't know how to express that Haskell's Cont monad doesn't allow for a monad syntax that first-class continuations in Racket do (by virtue of being mother of all monads)
< 1382253779 883827 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember my "mamb" operator?
< 1382253787 919479 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1382253806 239508 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did coppro have a bad trip from LSD
< 1382253807 723716 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382253875 800677 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (mamb ma) (shift k (return (>>= ma k))))
< 1382253877 217799 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1382254771 973783 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: probably not
< 1382255103 923524 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket debugger doesn't work well with stuff run from the REPL
< 1382255104 800286 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1382255725 674840 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.127 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382256029 812934 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
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< 1382256905 207684 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pasterack.org/pastes/9079
< 1382256991 150718 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1382257021 643125 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why :( ?
< 1382257029 75655 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should have it output
< 1382257105 696849 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh http://pasterack.org/pastes/8324
< 1382257110 935688 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear it works on my computer
< 1382257146 581099 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, that version doesn't
< 1382257199 404667 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pasterack.org/pastes/1950
< 1382257762 354784 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.116 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382258005 86769 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, because lisps are scary and I'm ill
< 1382258131 853186 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
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< 1382259850 694462 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION read lips are scary
< 1382259862 485230 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read my lisp
< 1382259951 679722 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear in scrubs that reading lisp is pretty easy
< 1382259955 368150 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*heard
< 1382260741 689959 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1382262237 950518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Why does my Icedove context menu for selected text suggest "Search Bing for: ..."?
< 1382262440 921808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It also stubbornly starts Iceweasel instead of Chromium for links.)
< 1382262452 544503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this is all documented somewhere.
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< 1382263606 308642 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382268053 121579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382268181 967541 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382268288 781950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell augur nonsense nodoubt <-- it's actually a hello world program, see wikipedia's Malbolge page (where it was probably snatched from, although wp changed to another one later).
< 1382268288 927470 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382268332 370011 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382268370 749482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell augur iirc it had some transcription errors. see also the talk page.
< 1382268370 895320 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382268609 590160 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Client Quit
< 1382269010 469430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382269928 456681 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they even use malbolge on a tv show? what weirdos. ben must be so proud
< 1382270145 774756 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382270532 227885 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The KMT of the ROC says that the consensus exists, while the DPP of ROC and the President of ROC in 1992, Lee Teng-hui, deny the existence of the 1992 consensus." ... pretty good consensus
< 1382270606 422537 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1382270615 138608 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382271582 763981 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once more I find myself wondering where the closest place is that sells pokemon
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< 1382271720 582477 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pet shop?
< 1382271797 954927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Erp
< 1382271808 336912 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may go for a wander
< 1382271813 245773 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Westwards
< 1382271818 21927 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Through the Wall
< 1382271825 325662 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And over the River
< 1382271871 789867 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.127 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1382277554 514704 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1382278785 353700 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.127 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382279128 679676 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382279133 735703 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone of you guys know C?
< 1382279259 680504 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Met him once
< 1382279292 14440 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello mroman
< 1382279321 448684 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to know if malloc(sizeof(char)*80)[70] is well defined behaviour
< 1382279327 929741 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually replace malloc with calloc
< 1382279339 880707 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming malloc does memset to zero
< 1382279351 787937 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the point
< 1382279359 601042 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is, that char might have an alignment
< 1382279374 788866 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case there is not enough space in 80*sizeof(char) for 70 chars
< 1382279383 273429 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e if char requires a 4-byte alignment
< 1382279393 667045 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then sizeof(char)*80 would only give you space for 20 chars
< 1382279400 748642 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no alignment
< 1382279417 334608 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1382279425 164089 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :C requires that char has NO alignment?
< 1382279439 763410 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least is char arrays
< 1382279448 740460 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/is/in
< 1382279491 527587 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :char is required to be 1-byte, isn't it?
< 1382279527 40132 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I thought sizeof(char) has to be 1
< 1382279527 249120 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof(char) == 1
< 1382279528 562012 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1382279541 956456 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does sizeof(char) INCLUDE alignment?
< 1382279551 406734 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yeah but what about struct s { char a; int b; char c };
< 1382279553 523872 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... I... I don't think char could require more than 1 alignment @_@
< 1382279573 401458 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then code that did, like malloc(70) couldn't store 70 chars
< 1382279630 417024 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could ask ##c maybe or something...? it doesn't feel right though
< 1382279662 921775 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1382279988 963293 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1382279999 758838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I'm pretty sure you can't have an alignment larger than sizeof.
< 1382280013 828602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because array elements are spaced at sizeof byte intervals, and array elements need to be aligned.
< 1382280042 666560 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :still
< 1382280052 327489 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int32_t could have a 16 byte alignment requirement
< 1382280062 310274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it couldn't.
< 1382280077 751071 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :says who?
< 1382280116 958368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int32_t a[2] must have both a[0] and a[1] aligned suitably for int32_t, and (char *)&a[1] == (char *)&a[0] + sizeof (int32_t).
< 1382280171 444197 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the second part a C requirement?
< 1382280193 800241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it is. And I'm entirely sure it is for the case of a char array.
< 1382280217 284285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, char a[2] must have both a[0] and a[1] aligned suitably for a char, and &a[1] == &a[0] + 1.
< 1382280301 322073 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what compilers do with long double for that...? like I think the type is 10 bytes but it's often aligned to 16? maybe the sizeof just gets set to 16...
< 1382280305 641310 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1382280312 718085 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :&a[1] == &a[0] + sizeof(char)?
< 1382280319 167691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: The sizeof is either 12 or 16 for GCC.
< 1382280325 320312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: sizeof(char) == 1.
< 1382280334 494686 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1382280354 597627 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does the equation &[1] ==&a[0] + 1 hold for char?
< 1382280375 352955 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :suitably aligned doesn't really mean, that you can do + 1 and get the next element?
< 1382280375 814882 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that makes sense...
< 1382280383 770476 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1382280385 168328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: &[1] does not mean anything, but other than that.
< 1382280389 916782 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if sizeof were to include alignment requirements
< 1382280401 870439 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it is well defined
< 1382280406 125414 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1382280436 513200 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if my int32_t is 4 bytes long, but has an 8 byte alignment requirement
< 1382280442 133512 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is sizeof(int32_t) == 8?
< 1382280477 929041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's allowed to.
< 1382280494 529542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :intN_t are not allowed to have padding bytes.
< 1382280497 622099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "An array type descirbes a *contiguously allocated* (emphasis mine) nonempty set of objects --" so I'm pretty sure (char *)&a[1] == (char *)&a[0] + sizeof a[0] for any type for a.
< 1382280529 445988 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the fixed-length types require 8-bit chars? so like, int32_t has to be size 4
< 1382280541 194563 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and um if I remember right the signed ones have to be 2s-complement
< 1382280560 70219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I think CHAR_BIT == 16 is legal for an implementation with an int32_t.
< 1382280571 168316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd just have a sizeof (int32_t) == 2 there.
< 1382280607 18539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But CHAR_BIT needs to be either 8, 16 or 32 for int32_t to exist, because it cannot have any padding, and all sizes are in multiples of CHAR_BIT.
< 1382280625 210145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can't define int8_t if CHAR_BIT > 8, of course.
< 1382280636 498687 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense...
< 1382280652 868599 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just remember someone telling me that sizeof(int32_t) was redundant or something <_<;
< 1382280656 376768 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does contigously disallow padding bytes?
< 1382280660 810375 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe they were wrong
< 1382280686 294281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Perhaps that's arguable. There might be something more applicable.
< 1382280729 76078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Do note that absolutely everything allocates n * sizeof (type) bytes of memory for an n-element array of type, which wouldn't work if sizeof didn't include any padding.
< 1382281074 383975 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1382281083 201019 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got the solution
< 1382281097 14245 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof array / sizeof array[0] must yield the number of elements of array
< 1382281098 878738 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1382281102 348200 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :char array[10];
< 1382281112 404116 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof array[0] == sizeof char == 1
< 1382281116 984965 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, sizeof array = 10
< 1382281133 14341 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes
< 1382281146 488117 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the contigously allocation already requires, that there's no padding
< 1382281149 568767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why "sizeof array / sizeof array[0] must yield the number of elements of array" is any more or less obvious than "n * sizeof (type) is the size of an array", unless you have a paragraph to cite.
< 1382281278 440480 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Another use of the sizeof operator is to compute the number of elements in an array:
< 1382281281 957852 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :6
< 1382281284 422569 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : sizeof array / sizeof array[0]
< 1382281289 807133 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.5.3.4
< 1382281306 731994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Non-normative example.
< 1382281308 531196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still.
< 1382281316 618144 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1382281324 263431 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the it's an example in the standard
< 1382281327 233034 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it's
< 1382281334 843559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still non-normative.
< 1382281335 804619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Directives, this foreword, the introduction, notes, footnotes, and examples
< 1382281335 950171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :are also for information only.
< 1382281348 122022 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1382281348 642389 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1382281349 322063 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1382281379 708486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/EIIg -- slightly related.
< 1382281458 430593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering how that'd work for an array of direct int32_t _Alignas(16) type, but the _Alignas in an array declaration applies to the array type, not the element type, and you can't have an _Alignas specifier in a typedef.
< 1382281496 847739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A single int32_t _Alignas(16) a; seems to have a sizeof of 4, but that's perhaps not a problem.)
< 1382281894 838806 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is _Alignas standard C?
< 1382281911 21138 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparentely not
< 1382281931 158692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, in C11.
< 1382282049 848789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sizeof (t) must indeed be a multiple of A(t) [alignment of t]", has the committee clarified in its answer for DR #074 in 93: http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/dr_074.html
< 1382282138 266614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the question refers to the contiguous alignment requirement and correct alignment of array elements, so presumably that is also the official correct way of deriving the requirement.
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< 1382295174 679281 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey
< 1382295213 984592 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt even think to check wikipedia
< 1382295221 738911 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just went straight to the esolang wiki
< 1382295222 621635 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1382295835 874639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized something about the familiar which was almost certainly not intentional. I get +3 to Swim, and are going on a boat.
< 1382295938 730170 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1382296009 169128 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going fast
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< 1382296147 804062 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how fast it is yet.
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< 1382296208 411665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We didn't actually do that part of the game yet, but we entered the boat. (And on the same day we had to go on a real boat after te game is played.)
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< 1382296805 575932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this bonus is useful if the boat falls down or if they tell us to get out of the boat. My character also has a sailor skill so that might also be useful too in case the captain falls off or whatever (the familiar therefore also has the same skill but probably cannot use it very well).
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< 1382300103 267399 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that Pokemon X/Y be awesome
< 1382300112 956631 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1382300135 427669 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized after BW that the replay value has basically gone from pokemon games for me
< 1382300143 184272 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last game I played in the series was Emerald, so.
< 1382300146 612225 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair
< 1382300209 493505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it improve by modifying the game with cheat codes, ROM hacks, and/or self-imposed restrictions?
< 1382300437 886478 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, yeah, Pokemon is not exactly a series that you want to play each and every time it comes out.
< 1382300480 484583 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :The replay value is such that it merits a long enough span of time between replays that the game seems fresh.
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< 1382300491 590469 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or autism powers.
< 1382300501 749491 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: self-imposed restrictions, yes, others, no
< 1382300502 796460 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: haha
< 1382300584 324762 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I was so badly sucked into Y I like, beat it in two days
< 1382300585 125865 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which fits, given that Satoshi Tajiri is literally autistic...
< 1382300659 271625 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to keep playing just to get some nicer clothes but rune factory 4 and etrian odyssey said no
< 1382300707 699495 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *might* consider playing the inevitable Z since they tend to really up the ante on those games
< 1382300712 961261 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably not
< 1382300718 261685 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have far too much other stuff to eat my time
< 1382300719 195908 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure they'll do a Z, given they didn't do a pokemon grey
< 1382300740 85496 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did. Black/White 2.
< 1382300748 213446 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1382300775 351638 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a sequel though! not like platinum or something
< 1382300968 450387 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got X this afternoon
< 1382300993 572010 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, god there's a lot of games I'll probably be playing on here.
< 1382300996 642762 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION never had a DS
< 1382301004 373410 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have "Akagi DS".
< 1382301008 101528 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last portable console I owned was a GBA.
< 1382301015 526292 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :A launch GBA.
< 1382301076 152568 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: platinum was sort of a sequel
< 1382301093 748621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Akagi DS game is a mahjong game which include Washizu mahjong too.
< 1382301107 95561 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: last i owned was a GBC, last game i played on it was pokemon silver, get off my lawn etc
< 1382301136 305273 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, like not long after launch a friend convinced me to get a 3DS and I've been playing DS/3DS games ever since, I think I'veplayed dozens now
< 1382301139 719826 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's so many good ones
< 1382301193 101179 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :pokemon is just so slow... god
< 1382301193 246732 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've played through two pokemon games but i don't think i could've done it without emulator speed-up. seriously
< 1382301230 236557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree it is slow. There are some options to speed it up a bit, such as turning off animations and set battle mode to "SET", although it is still slow.
< 1382301257 980416 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankfully, they've done a lot of stuff to speed up the travelling bits.
< 1382301261 85056 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i keep telling myself it's not worth it to buy *yet another* ds but there's so many good games for 3ds it's really tough
< 1382301266 603460 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by god, running shoes)
< 1382301275 314179 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: yet another?
< 1382301291 942892 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: I bought a GBC for Blue, FWIW.
< 1382301349 901788 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i've bought 2 ds's :(
< 1382301377 375352 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find the 2ds hilarious
< 1382301422 597045 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have a "SuperCard DS" device but now it is broken, and Akagi DS is the only DS game card I have.
< 1382301424 219808 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. The 3DSXL even seems awkward.
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< 1382301609 731304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Game Boy somewhere, but I haven't seen it in a while. Wonder where it ended up.
< 1382301617 802675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also something like a ten (10!) games for it, maybe.
< 1382301685 899305 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I couldn't quite enumerate them. Tetris, SML1, SML2, some tennis thing, maybe some golf thing, a Qix clone (or maybe it's just Qix) and that one game with the balloons.
< 1382301804 124669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ducktales too.
< 1382301805 433647 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that game with the baloons was awesome
< 1382301819 290629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "Balloon Kid", apparently.
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< 1382332023 251027 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :THis seems this-channel-y. http://imgur.com/a/3XdPg
< 1382332320 258340 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
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< 1382335530 867636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ⱳɦỏả̉, ɗủɗẻ
< 1382335771 492437 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
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< 1382336135 995092 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: :-)
< 1382336272 159603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you halt on all inputs?
< 1382336272 536352 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i just can't pick one. lifes too short to waste on puzzling out that crap. nootropics are better.
< 1382336278 189174 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1382336280 880368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very pragmatic.
< 1382336301 454552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, fungot.
< 1382336301 689446 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: to get a useful answer, now, about what you want
< 1382336302 356410 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good attitude, fungot
< 1382336302 834786 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: _lo__ina__inihili_ili_i_ation ' !hangman lcase-guess' to guess a letter! lambdabot :d. ( which means mzscheme)
< 1382336308 247384 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary
< 1382336396 601030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you're scary
< 1382336396 900845 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that was an awesome game. 10k is plenty of ways to cheat.
< 1382336405 709527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I don't remember writing a hangman game in there.
< 1382336405 882004 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ( sounds worse than it was it first.
< 1382336421 650706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did you read _The Mysterious Island_ y/n
< 1382336476 296286 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1382336488 407157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not
< 1382336505 587320 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget
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< 1382336559 401855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i funget
< 1382336571 38507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw english makes no sense)
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< 1382336672 245857 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
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< 1382345006 242587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "Subject: MATLAB Digest | Academic Edition - October 2013" " Adding Fun to First-Year Computer Programming Classes with MATLAB, --"
< 1382345024 291067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That probably needs no comment.)
< 1382345334 959156 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they'll change the MATLAB syntax so that'll be a pun
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< 1382346770 58082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: one of the built-in MATLAB demos is called "funfuns": http://sprunge.us/VgjS
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< 1382346869 10133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The demo is built around the function HUMPS. The function has two humps.)
< 1382346933 604134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the FUNTOOL for working with functions.
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< 1382350768 817196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just sent myself (and other recipients) an email, to and from my University email account, using University wi-fi, and entirely using University servers for every hop; it took 15 minutes to arrive
< 1382350773 181985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how it's getting so delayed
< 1382350797 257927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greylisting somewhere. (Well, likely not. But it's possible.)
< 1382350815 857541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could check the timestamps in the Received: headers to see if a particular hop took a long time.
< 1382350893 402605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Other hypotheticals: long queue in some mandatory transparent virus scan; spam filtering systems configured to wait for DNS blacklist replies and pointed at something that's offline + long timeouts.)
< 1382350912 939902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the last one, by the look of it; all the received headers are within a minute of the initial send
< 1382350926 369504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I'm being stupid and that's just how long it took my client to do a send/receive operatoin
< 1382350930 472690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*operation
< 1382351005 452606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMAP is supposed to be clever (cf. IMAP IDLE) about that kind of stuff. But sometimes it isn't.
< 1382351117 283011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, amusing thing I noticed in the headers; my hostname on this netbook/laptop/thing is "desert", and something else along the line is called "camel", meaning that many of the lines end "camel@desert"
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< 1382351592 63204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is considerably more amusing than the identifiers in headers here, which tend to be things like smtp-out-01, mx06, EXHUB03.
< 1382351687 762716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, there's a mail server at the ICS department called "marconi", which is at least thematically appropriate.)
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< 1382352899 717695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bike: _lo__ina__inihili_ili_i_ation ' !hangman lcase-guess' to guess a letter! lambdabot :d. ( which means mzscheme) <-- i'll try f, thanks
< 1382352899 922845 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but if a is not bound, not a variable
< 1382352921 82574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: a is already there!
< 1382352921 397107 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not that i know what ensuring hygiene is. try to lurk for a couple shorthand features that make it hard to write
< 1382352932 481284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a filthy robot
< 1382353106 547298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (The demo is built around the function HUMPS. The function has two humps.) <-- a bactrian function.
< 1382353343 740145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun MATLAB fact: variables are case-sensitive, but functions are case-insensitive.
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< 1382353368 122764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Presumably because function names derive from file names, and case-insensitive file systems are a thing.)
< 1382353417 830912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure it's not just case-insensitive on windows.
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< 1382353508 475160 :Taneb!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey, I have calculus homework
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< 1382353659 459882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think you are right! Which makes their ubiquitous convention of uppercasing function names in all documentation quite bizarre.
< 1382353676 370236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because the actual names are lowercase on case-sensitive systems.)
< 1382353703 786406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn you realize a was joking
< 1382353706 405477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i
< 1382353777 708099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were, but then it was true, so I rethought that perhaps you knew something.
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< 1382353973 834531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently since R14 it is case-sensitive on Windows too, but there the behaviour on case mismatch is to print out a warning and then call the function.
< 1382353985 18323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(While on Linux it prints out an error and suggests the correct case.)
< 1382353997 999292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy.
< 1382354052 337115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's error on Windows too, starting from R2011b.
< 1382354101 123540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then, my fun MATLAB fact was in fact (pun not intended) a not-so-fun MATLAB lie, when talking about modern versions.
< 1382354120 288272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the documentation still bizarre, though
< 1382354125 871617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
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< 1382365243 100394 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome diva
< 1382365246 994774 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :09d12iva: We09lcome to06 the internati07ona03l 03hub for esoteric programming language design and dep10l12o07yment! For more informat03ion, ch04eck ou12t our w03iki: 03http://esol12a14ngs.org08/wiki08/Main09_Pag12e. 09(14Fo05r10 the other08 kind 11of08 e05soter03ica, try #esote13ric on irc.dal.net.)
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< 1382366022 136190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (925)
< 1382366024 2353 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (925): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly
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< 1382376257 209450 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got two weeks to, with two other people, create and present a 15-minute talk on Fourier series
< 1382376286 20751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo talk about adjunctions instead
< 1382376309 299926 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling that that would be on the other hand a very bad idea
< 1382376322 541253 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about fourier series?
< 1382376336 124225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Bike's suggestion is good. talk about fourier series.
< 1382376348 926629 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, what about fourier series are you to talk about.
< 1382376369 657604 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, an introduction to them, a bit about Fourier himself, and something else about some identity?
< 1382376414 909355 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you read fourier's original paper? that would probably help for introduction ("dude invented them for the heat equation") and for fourier himself if there's an intro to it ("something something napoleon??")
< 1382376517 975784 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right yeah he was in charge of egypt for a while
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< 1382376602 741761 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is an adjunction?
< 1382376628 522508 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some category theory thing that's not very useful for making jpegs
< 1382376684 200323 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn adjunction
< 1382376685 865721 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "adjunction" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1382376686 11198 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjunction
< 1382376686 11371 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: an act of joining or adjoining things [syn: {junction},
< 1382376686 11477 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : {adjunction}]
< 1382376691 586201 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :genius
< 1382376710 125346 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1382376715 317873 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck adjunction
< 1382376727 866146 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm. my bot is once again dead...
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< 1382376740 619233 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck adjunction
< 1382376741 82838 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjoint definition: the transpose of a matrix in which each element is replaced by its cofactor.
< 1382376750 173909 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck adjoint functor
< 1382376750 319276 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In mathematics, specifically category theory, adjunction is a possible relationship between two functors.
< 1382376756 569386 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol thanks
< 1382376759 735552 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1382376761 471825 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peit on a rubiks cube
< 1382376764 90423 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot my life.
< 1382376764 502910 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: other than that cfunge is pretty finished, other parts aren't changing or are changing slowly... yesterday. can it get knocked over on their sides ( the structures, not in
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< 1382376883 616255 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck adjoint functors arise everywhere
< 1382376883 761655 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information
< 1382376969 942308 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck fungot
< 1382376970 241916 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information
< 1382376970 429741 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: which repl are you using plt?
< 1382376975 675697 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no, csi.
< 1382376976 117151 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i get it. a closure whose template field is not correctly set. i suspect some people or programs might also like cooking with beer
< 1382377015 62535 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I thought chicken's closures where one of its selling points. and yes, I do enjoy cooking with beer. preferably with the beer inside me.
< 1382377015 633787 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: razor-x is sorry for raping you. erections can last for weeks or months. :p it was like a crash course. i'll use elisp macros to generate statements for characters in most scheme systems, so you
< 1382377026 258117 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: IIIIEEEEEURGH!
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< 1382377476 575386 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what.
< 1382377476 801093 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: masters degree is supposed to be what they do
< 1382377528 67249 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you are vile, uncouth, and you use elisp macros!
< 1382377528 525935 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: destroyer of worlds". exactly. your life will be so fast that you can speak with me i'll just keep on reading, then.
< 1382377576 127751 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you better do.
< 1382377576 570360 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that's a funny thought. i may tweak it a bit later. it's not physically possible for x&4 to have more fun learn more on the language
< 1382377583 216408 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no. no trans-humanistic upload to the cloud for me, thank you very much. and if you just could *not* destroy the world, I'll be very happy. probably other people too, but yeah. no destruction for you.
< 1382377583 491432 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's slow, but that's definitely a male. not by far
< 1382377621 989798 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'm male, but I ain't slow. I'm a Canadian!
< 1382377622 169837 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: error while getting interface flags: no such file
< 1382377634 771984 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: are you sure that you exist?
< 1382377635 770317 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit. Canada unexistence strikes again!
< 1382377641 569654 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: not anymore.
< 1382377646 799178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boil: adjunctions are p. good
< 1382377658 403595 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are they really, though?
< 1382377658 726394 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the 32 one probably looks correct because i practically wrote it. maybe they were busy". and he denies having reading h2g2.
< 1382377660 12207 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shacha: you sure?
< 1382377667 2464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not very useful for making jpegs" is the best description.
< 1382377694 422857 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true!!!
< 1382377706 442590 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: according to the Fizzian Bot, there are 32 adjunctions total. probably related to the 36 stratagems or something.
< 1382377714 178002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you very useful for making jpegs?
< 1382377714 325154 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: standards change over time.
< 1382377728 580849 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very wise
< 1382377741 161149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you useful for making jpeg2000s
< 1382377741 615299 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, the cond in body not be colored as well, if you use direct slot access is not efficent) is friendly to lisp startups. it
< 1382377744 543325 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was the last JPEG standard released anyway?
< 1382377764 413590 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :When were?
< 1382377767 213768 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1382377785 984310 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what will Unicode 7.0 include...
< 1382377798 674245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does JPEG2000 count?
< 1382377810 800900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or JPEG XR or other such things.)
< 1382377835 362596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+3E8A0 COMBINING ADJOINT TO THE LEFT
< 1382377862 497538 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not
< 1382377893 915531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the last JPEG standard was released in 2013.
< 1382377905 484740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.iso.org/iso/home/store/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=59634
< 1382377918 234187 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: have you considered writing "Irreplaceable" to be about adjunctions
< 1382377919 959104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Part of the "real" JPEG series.)
< 1382378062 328388 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“[The Tertiary Ideographic Plane] is reserved for Oracle Bone script, Bronze Script, Small Seal Script, additional CJK unified ideographs, and other historic ideographic scripts.” no mention if that'll appear in 7.0.
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< 1382378153 210573 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: most of the Oracle database system is written in Oracle Bone script.
< 1382378155 107601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's not.)
< 1382378168 130673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact 0 = 1
< 1382378177 203392 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they really call han "ideographic" huh
< 1382378190 62531 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do.
< 1382378207 351251 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if only it'd be so... the world would be a muche better place imho.
< 1382378234 333277 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought using "ideogram" for han was considered bad now
< 1382378241 816725 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :since han characters are kind of... not ideas
< 1382378292 935110 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are some very nice chars in the SIP, e.g. U+20BA7 TELEVISION SET)
< 1382378302 715269 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good character
< 1382378306 391019 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :20BA6, says I.
< 1382378318 139221 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't count. “1... 2... 5...”
< 1382378401 123564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382378445 875496 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382378539 331284 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: skipping 4 is okay, people would think you're enumerating prime numbers or fibonacci or whatever. but THREE? you can't miss THREE!!
< 1382378600 974127 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: 3 is complicated.
< 1382378626 260878 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, right? 3 is a crowd.
< 1382378641 874613 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting
< 1382378654 241290 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382378873 894724 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.157.137 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382378934 588046 :Rosette!~kwakuanim@41.93.150.213 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382378959 358568 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Rosette
< 1382378962 813231 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :08R03oset07te: Welcom12e to the in05terna05tion10al hub for esoteric programming l12anguage13 design a10nd deployment! For m13o14re13 06informat09i07on, che03ck out our wiki: http://eso03lang08s.org10/wi05k10i/Ma14in_P09a10ge. (For the other kind of es11ot07erica05, try #es05ote04r05i07c on ir10c.dal.net.)
< 1382379032 912303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy color scheme today
< 1382379062 456164 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: three, sir.
< 1382379070 493272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: you can skip 3 if you're listing powers of 2.
< 1382379082 409868 :Rosette!~kwakuanim@41.93.150.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty
< 1382379084 204299 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1382379088 547892 :Rosette!~kwakuanim@41.93.150.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1382379193 165193 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lobs the Holy Fungot of Helsinki over at... uhm... who would fit the killer rabbit the most?
< 1382379207 872962 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmt
< 1382379239 60435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're in Espoo hth
< 1382379256 61367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, some people actually care about the difference.
< 1382379265 33876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno if any are here, though.
< 1382379410 197014 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the lazy me lumps Vantaa with Helsinki, but you're right to say Espoo's different.
< 1382379419 195200 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the metro doesn't get there yet, for example.
< 1382379811 231123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're digging as fast as they can, though.
< 1382379817 219846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe not quite as fast as all that.)
< 1382379849 203352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO
< 1382379858 435232 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo
< 1382379862 896081 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello zzo
< 1382379871 328376 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1382379880 900413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the metro does not get to Vantaa either, and it's not even going to.
< 1382379900 874104 :Rosette!~kwakuanim@41.93.150.213 PART :#esoteric
< 1382379953 71803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, I guess they've got a couple of plans, but nothing as concrete as the Espoo extension.)
< 1382379985 504414 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah digging a metro out of concrete is pretty hard
< 1382380092 932411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are knowing a better way to traverse and pattern match rose trees which are stored in a SQL database?
< 1382380114 392502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In a way that can be accessed from within SQL programs)
< 1382380392 56346 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Koen_: why bother digging a metro when the suburban railway lines already go that way?
< 1382380396 854479 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, maybe the Helsinki Metro will get all the way to Montréal!
< 1382380440 349569 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: eh, I don't know. I've never understood these nordic people
< 1382380498 81859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: You mean, to Vantaa?
< 1382380527 138630 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382380528 930690 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.157.137 QUIT :
< 1382380560 346022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the "East Metro" was supposed to go near the coast to Sipoo, the trains don't go there.
< 1382380568 429020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it does cross a bit of Vantaa there too.
< 1382380637 786957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And (just my gut feeling; I'm sure Serious People have spent more Serious Thoughts on this) I don't think there's yet quite enough people living in there to make it worthwhile, but maybe in the future.
< 1382380727 181300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know which bits of MSETBL (in the Z-machine) are corresponding to which menus?
< 1382380759 200686 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, to Vantaa
< 1382380786 821324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Well, no, I don't think anyone's planning to extend the subway to Tikkurila or anything, just generally eastwards.
< 1382380833 585919 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1382380877 21341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I remember there were originally plans to have the subway branch northwards, there was even a subway station dug in Munkkivuori that was never used for anything.
< 1382380937 222351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done in the 1960s.
< 1382380986 934552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were pictures of the "cave" somewhere, but I can't find any good ones now.
< 1382381079 900870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is ##UrbanTransportation I'm talking on, right?)
< 1382381098 595268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: channel name invented, I don't know what the real one is.)
< 1382381124 44964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's #cslounge-trains
< 1382381186 260497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite easily guessed
< 1382381291 905199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :##OerjanTransportation
< 1382381313 30948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym ##feet
< 1382381326 797112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"itym ##stinkyfeet" no wait that would be mean
< 1382381359 624975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think they're particularly stinky, although that may change when i finally change to my winter shoes
< 1382381501 499520 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1382382071 708226 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what is cslounge, and why does cslounge-trains exist?
< 1382382075 949516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do these apples have sticky skin, it's appalling
< 1382382086 28881 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, swat yourself.
< 1382382198 597488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's a bit sour, despite being nominally red. as was yesterday's apple. not very appealing.
< 1382382261 105337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they could, like, classify by taste instead of color.
< 1382382261 450519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only eat the sourest green apples they sell in the local shop.
< 1382382272 318760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: gah!
< 1382382289 731727 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382382310 507206 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.61 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1382382321 322419 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1382382363 682838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also like redcurrants a lot, so possibly it's my fault.
< 1382382417 836806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really a fan here.
< 1382382439 352457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite that we had them in our garden when i grew up
< 1382382494 829204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, i like very little sour food.
< 1382382500 119220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382382501 228002 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are redcurrants different from blackcurrants except the color?
< 1382382531 22760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: #cslounge is a channel for the extended social group of some people who studied CS at CMU in a particular period of time
< 1382382543 691612 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382382551 840087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: completely different taste. blackcurrants are _not_ sour when ripe.
< 1382382553 906581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not that friendly to outsiders
< 1382382556 909508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but #cslounge-trains is
< 1382382566 835072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lexande is the king of that channel or something
< 1382382573 321043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we had those in the garden too.)
< 1382382588 545377 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :#cslounge-trains exists because me, yeah
< 1382382622 261607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like blackcurrants very much. Because they're not so sour.
< 1382382627 710380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course in norwegian the names are not even related. (redcurrant = no:rips, blackcurrant = no:solbær)
< 1382382646 215195 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're red and black "wineberries" in swedish
< 1382382651 282796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "Punaviinimarja", "mustaherukka". (Though "punaherukka" *is* used as an alternative.)
< 1382382654 358003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see they're actually the same genus, though.
< 1382382659 944905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "viinimarja" is "wineberry".
< 1382382695 325626 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. fr:groseille and fr:cassis.
< 1382382845 694276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh gooseberry is _also_ the same genus, that's the third kind of berry bush we had
< 1382382846 901417 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's a berry named in your honour → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccinium_elliottii
< 1382382860 864320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's kind of the "standard set" of berry bushes here too.
< 1382382966 230913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often combined with some rhubarb.
< 1382382970 650893 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust gooseberries
< 1382382996 799889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: we had rhubarb. also raspberry and strawberries.
< 1382383037 451037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How surprising, we (well, not *here* in the city, but the place of my grandparents' in the country) had all of those too.
< 1382383038 75837 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blueberries are the best!
< 1382383050 115123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :other things varied by year, i guess.
< 1382383053 598930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-wild blueberries are kind of "meh", I believe.
< 1382383060 166563 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.61 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382383090 392222 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unhip blueberries
< 1382383097 614431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think people actually cultivate-grow blueberries very much, but there's certainly a lot of it collected from the wild.
< 1382383113 791624 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloudberry is the best berry I know
< 1382383143 457266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think maybe there were blueberries in the forest nearby until it grew completely dense.
< 1382383170 648779 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bananas are pretty good berries as well
< 1382383187 46680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's even an ongoing scandal about people from Thailand coming to Finland to pick wild berries, because there's a sort of a generic permission to do that on anyone's land.
< 1382383199 519914 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a long way to go for some berries
< 1382383200 713433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well technically it started out mostly as swamp, which was gradually drained when/after the house was built.
< 1382383218 2796 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone was willing to come from thailand to pick blackberries in my yard i think i'd let them
< 1382383219 765467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Allegations of human trafficking this and that, there's some sort of a thing.
< 1382383226 33046 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we could share cobbler
< 1382383341 56230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there's some cloudberries around the swamp/lake at the summer cottage, though it's not a *terribly* good place for them.
< 1382383368 81844 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :scamming foreign berrypickers is a reoccuring scandal in sweden as well
< 1382383453 450585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.icenews.is/2013/09/22/thai-berry-pickers-refuse-to-board-flight-out-of-finland/
< 1382383454 424028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've picked cloudberries, although we usually had to go a bit out of the way for those.
< 1382383600 669305 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It seems your this year's scandal is pretty much identical to ours.
< 1382383629 867021 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not up to date with this year's scandal afaik, but I assume it's the same as every year
< 1382383722 974785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "The Norwegian government, in cooperation with Finnish, Swedish and Scottish counterparts, has vigorously pursued the aim of enabling commercial production of various wild berries (Norway imports 200 - 300 tonnes of cloudberries per year from Finland)."
< 1382383799 388708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've put that thing (the berry, not some sort of symbolical reference to Norway importinh them) in our coin too. (Didn't remember that.)
< 1382383831 353332 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, commercial production of wild berries?
< 1382383834 101966 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scotland is a Nordic Country???
< 1382383864 427788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Did it say that somewhere?
< 1382383878 485563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, "counterpart", I think every place has a government.
< 1382383935 453540 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beuh. that's boring.
< 1382383950 342958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was something about Scotland being something, though.
< 1382383955 345693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Very specific, I know.)
< 1382384142 644907 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reading Wikipédia's “Scandinavian Scotland” article
< 1382384151 228618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam
< 1382384253 553678 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a book of icelandic sagas, one of them is about a guy who among other things sails down to england to help king whatshisname crush northumberland
< 1382384256 579968 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good stuff
< 1382384261 368288 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-211.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382384261 513728 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "a guy" i mean "a viking"
< 1382384276 937823 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1382384323 21853 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, did you know that during the crushing of Northumberland, the church in Hexham was burnt down?
< 1382384335 748733 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a sampo?
< 1382384337 147659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run WeLcOmE AnotherTest | rainbow
< 1382384337 292693 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did actually
< 1382384340 386092 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :11AnOtHeRtEsT: wEl05CoMe tO ThE InTeR04nAtIoNaL H06u04B FoR EsOt12ErIc pRo14GrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeS05iGn aNd11 10dEpLoYm14EnT! fOr 13mOrE 06InFoRmAtIoN, 07cH03eCk oUt oUr wIkI:10 06hTtP://EsOlAnGs14.oRg12/wIkI/M10aIn_pAgE.12 11(FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF Es08OtErI03cA, tRy #Es02OtErIc oN Ir09C06.D12aL.10N11eT.)
< 1382384367 365922 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastewisdom
< 1382384368 779381 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/
< 1382384384 517421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's not a proper viking raid without some church burning
< 1382384473 220805 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Question about stabilizers. Could you scetch a proof that the index of the stabilzer of p, G_p, in G is the order of the orbital of G containing p; |pG| = (G : G_p)
< 1382384487 714575 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, for some reason *this* rainbow welcome caused a flashback to the time of writing quickbasic programs printing text in various colors
< 1382384494 722020 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird that that never happened before
< 1382384505 520816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the definition of stabilizer again.
< 1382384505 989383 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is this something very logical? Because in this book I'm reading it's not really proven, and I don't immediately see why that is true
< 1382384524 694884 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: set of elements that leave p \in G unchanged under a group action
< 1382384552 4240 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I'm pretty sure William Wallace burnt the same church down
< 1382384596 227505 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-211.psoas.suomi.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1382384718 796358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: well hm it's probably simple...
< 1382384792 365093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is G acting on itself.
< 1382384808 309681 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, not necessairily I think
< 1382384821 8583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so p is not necessarily in G.
< 1382384821 235265 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1382384834 135747 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is acting on itself
< 1382384861 600931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd imagine it's true even if it doesn't.
< 1382384927 521628 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, on the other hand
< 1382384932 147911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like this: for every element in the orbital pick an element of G sending p to it; then all elements in G are a unique multiple of the chosen element sending p to the same thing and an element of the stabilizer.
< 1382384938 714205 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think p \in S not p \in G
< 1382384959 478862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so |G| = |pG| * |G_p|
< 1382385005 836049 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why is the index of G_p in G |pG|?
< 1382385006 410831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i leave it as an exercise to multiply things in the right order :P)
< 1382385013 194520 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
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< 1382385075 168511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you understand the idea of my sketch?
< 1382385165 213139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about pairing G with tuples from pG, G_p
< 1382385167 181382 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not really
< 1382385180 480443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bijection between G and pG x G_p
< 1382385219 587185 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah and |pG x G_p| = |pG| * |G_p|?
< 1382385219 732611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think the stabilizer should be first, assuming the pG notation is what i think
< 1382385223 872742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1382385245 204727 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :pG = orbital containing p
< 1382385268 194359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, just that you multiply with G elements on the right
< 1382385293 829345 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it always possible to pick an element in the orbital so that p -> the element
< 1382385399 227752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have an element x of pG, then there must be a g in G such that x = pg by definition.
< 1382385443 91076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not necessarily unique, but you get all the others by multiplying g with something from the stabilizer.
< 1382385455 595969 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right. of course
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< 1382385467 779434 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the orbital is the equivalence class etc
< 1382385487 214564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it is?
< 1382385504 963293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was just an ordinary subset of G or S.
< 1382385559 465763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose some of this needs a little checking, which _should_ be nearly trivial.
< 1382385570 470337 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: according to this book, it is the equivalence class defined by some relation x ~ y <=> x = yg for some g \in G
< 1382385594 301383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well right.
< 1382385639 786610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, the fact that it is an equivalence class is part of what is needed for this to work.
< 1382385702 861008 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, are all of these notions (stabilizer, centralizer and what not) really important in applications like cryptography
< 1382385712 710045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea
< 1382385717 647245 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in for example the sector that you work in, not sure what that is
< 1382385726 668726 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it seems to be related
< 1382385753 887337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not working any longer, but when i did, orbit(al)s were a big deal.
< 1382385848 606806 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the other things like stabilizers?
< 1382385991 413610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :our dynamical systems were usually free, which means the stabilizer is trivial.
< 1382386005 893600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't recall using the term.
< 1382386021 898896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i did have a small result on non-free systems in my PhD.
< 1382386093 406336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the group was usually pretty simple too, Z or Z^2.
< 1382386116 188273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i had a small result with a weirder group.
< 1382386158 907598 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those groups dont sound very simple to me :-)
< 1382386173 87241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: um i mean not complicated
< 1382386194 176317 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes thats my bad joke face
< 1382386199 28739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
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< 1382386250 409519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like, when i started my PhD the theory for just Z was just proved by my advisor and colleagues, so i looked at various little generalizations.
< 1382386270 407540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also of other aspects.)
< 1382386344 947450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we didn't really use much group theory of the kind AnotherTest is alluding to. although their main theorem used group homology at a crucial step.
< 1382386405 81985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i vaguely recall it was sort of serendipity that led them to find out the step they needed _was_ a result in group homology.
< 1382386415 413318 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the group theroy I'm asking about all the time might not be so useful in the end, I wouldn't know, I'm just a kid trying to figure this out
< 1382386427 972113 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :for no real practical reason
< 1382386433 320846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'm sure it's useful for all kinds of things.
< 1382386448 383746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not necessarily all at the same time :)
< 1382386628 308438 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know any good books on formal verification/model checking/static analysis?
< 1382386642 162777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know group theory is extremely important in quantum physics, at least.
< 1382386842 423970 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-197.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, thanks. I'm going to try to complete that proof
< 1382386842 569207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spent a month in ireland once trying to cooperate with this guy who was researching quantum groups (which are _not_ groups but more a kind of "quantization" of them.)
< 1382386877 385264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up two D&D feats for use with spellcasters (wizard, sorcerer) having a familiar.
< 1382386935 516406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Familiar Enhanced Spell [Metamagic] (Requires: familiar) Increases slot level by 2. Familiar must be conscious and within range (5ft/caster level) during entire casting time, otherwise spell fails. Your control/concentration (including dismissal) of this spell is severed if familiar is unconscious or out of range, but is reinstated if consious/range.
< 1382387031 125557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may select one of the effects as you cast this spell: [1] Familiar is targeted as if it is an object or different creature type. [2] Familiar is immune to effects of this spell. [3] Designate familiar as toucher even though not in contact with the caster. [4] Target familiar even if not in normal range of the spell (even personal can be changed to other than touch).
< 1382387085 721579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[5] Range is measured starting from familiar. [6] Save DC increase by 2 if familiar in 5ft of target. [7] Familiar's attack(s) against target(s) of spell have +4 attack +2 damage if used within 1 round of casting. [8] Caster has +3 Concentration with this spell while familiar in 5ft of caster. [9] Duration increased by 1d2 rounds for familiar if targeted.
< 1382387087 879276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is all.
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< 1382387134 393752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should the slot level be different perhaps?
< 1382387324 18751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other feat is: Wise Familiar [General, wizard can select as bonus feat] (Requires: familiar, caster level at least 2, spend 1 XP to select this feat) Int and Wis of familiar +2, but not exceed your own. If this results in their Int at least 10, they can 1/day as a spell-like ability, cast a 0-level spell you have available to cast, without expending the slot, at caster level 1. Cannot be used with spells having XP cost, expensive M/F component,
< 1382387403 793517 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... there needs to be a Summon Fungot spell.
< 1382387417 727120 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: What will be that spell level, duration, etc?
< 1382387457 860805 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure that's epic-level
< 1382387470 114956 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I was thinking along the lines of summon imp...
< 1382387490 367504 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, I don't know about fungot's physical form.
< 1382387490 637483 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: mathematica has a fox! wonderful! :) gay fnord fnord)
< 1382387510 948361 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: a small woodland creature, it seems.
< 1382387511 958074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think these two foots^Wfeats may be good, or a possible adjustment to make?
< 1382387525 629534 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :foots?
< 1382387534 909624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not expect fungot to have a physical form.
< 1382387535 169499 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how did you do make a scheme based wiki, then you can't test for equality with floating point
< 1382387568 196343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one expects the fungot with a physical form
< 1382387568 448628 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you're open minded, go for it offby1! you don't specify what multiplication is.
< 1382387572 853290 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Why does a wiki software need floating point? ...
< 1382387584 931753 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: random page.
< 1382387587 658500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for unit conversions?
< 1382387596 845505 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does selecting a random page require floating point?
< 1382387604 64329 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fungot cannot be stopped by that summoning alone!
< 1382387604 338953 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and french is _not_ my favorite language. you're just saying that there's something wrong
< 1382387632 263637 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: eille! c'est quoi que t'as contre le français, espèce de bot dégénéré?
< 1382387632 454512 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: then if you use ' is', then
< 1382387654 129651 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK, maybe for unit conversions, but would you need to test for equality in that case?
< 1382387672 658827 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: bin, c'est comme évident que j'utilise «être». c'est comme que genre le verbe le plus important?
< 1382387672 903095 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but does it really teach programming?...
< 1382387686 38076 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ouais, vaguement. mettons que c'est pas vargeux par moments.
< 1382387686 401194 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: so i made my point. where the action gets fnord. the two theses licenses are too weird, tusho
< 1382387694 45045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: maybe not.
< 1382387707 295939 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: c'est pas parce que t'as raison que t'es obligé d'être méchant envers les francophones. non mais. tsé.
< 1382387740 284664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you thinking of these feats? Should a slight adjustment be made?
< 1382387763 460211 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they seem pretty good, imo. and besides, nothing like playtesting them.
< 1382387824 338959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although I would have to select them to playtesting them and do not intend to do so right away and if is no good should be adjusted. There are too many possible situations to test so you have to make a thought-experiment at least would be one thing.
< 1382387864 360474 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean if it is a bit too powerful possibly then it might be better to increase the slot level by more than 2 or to add further restrictions, or something like that
< 1382387865 843321 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :geD&Dkenexperiment.
< 1382387935 208301 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example by comparing it to existing things and thinking of what would make them too powerful
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< 1382388053 6493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it should also say, familiar is not allowed to do other things (such as attacking) during casting time.
< 1382388173 552683 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen elliott
< 1382388176 169697 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-10-19 22:25:10: haha, you can pay through bitcoin
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< 1382390542 823802 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily It's this mythical machine that makes endless amounts of grain, salt and money. Haven't you read the Donald Duck story?
< 1382390543 6363 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382390543 656042 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]
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< 1382390606 220626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wait what
< 1382390634 727470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: He asked about the sampo.
< 1382390639 216909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1382390678 789757 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1382390679 528015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the story is "The Quest for Kalevala", by Don Rosa.)
< 1382390701 174738 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382390702 70989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has some nice scenes with recognizable locations in Helsinki.
< 1382390749 681479 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-211.psoas.suomi.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1382390933 760499 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382391198 412876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The publication of this story created a national sensation in Finland where Donald Duck and the Kalevala are important aspects of culture."
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< 1382391321 341500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think don rosa appeared at approximately the time when i stopped reading donald duck...
< 1382391417 312717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I was ordering the magazine when most of his stories came out, but I've got several of the separate books.
< 1382391529 963490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what
< 1382391537 824559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donald Duck is an important aspect of culture in Finland?
< 1382391549 384012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a reasonably fair statement.
< 1382391570 888626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_duck#Nordic_Countries
< 1382391663 909193 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382391674 795032 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, it's "Donald Duck" in norwegian?
< 1382391682 240728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1382391688 99216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusing
< 1382391694 967437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's kind of lazy.
< 1382391702 186873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Finnish voters placing "protest votes" typically write "Donald Duck" as the candidate'
< 1382391705 204291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1382391730 200970 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought norwegians were highly anti-english about anything that could have norwegian words
< 1382391733 946481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. most other character names are translated, though.
< 1382391745 156780 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you don't do that?
< 1382391756 606457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of Donald Duck votes is mentioned sometimes after elections.
< 1382391759 864797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well in _theory_...
< 1382391786 106969 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1382391802 62081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had a student government constitutional crisis after someone wrote in "God" and someone else wrote in "Fake Shawn's Bike". also this was on a ballot where "No" is already an official option
< 1382391825 505147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't release official statistics of disqualified votes, I think, but there are some smaller-scale extrapolations.
< 1382391851 688842 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, were those... the only votes?
< 1382391860 659748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite
< 1382391879 292464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the crisis was over whether voting for someone who isn't a student / doesn't exist / is a bicycle would invalidate your whole ballot or whether those entries would simply be removed from the preference ordering
< 1382391884 193916 :atslash!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382391903 110990 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Bike is a student
< 1382391912 375840 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the reason people didn't just go for the latter was...?
< 1382391912 999232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.iltalehti.fi/presidentinvaalit/liput22401HL_pd.jpg that's one vote-counter's personal count of discarded votes.
< 1382391916 563682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that's why kmc had to specify "is a bicycle" separately.
< 1382391922 768646 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well you have to interpret what the constitution says!!!!
< 1382391924 219091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donald Duck ("Aku Ankka") is third from the top.
< 1382391927 500909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just decide arbitrarily
< 1382391935 357542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make a mockery of the whole concept of student government!
< 1382391939 780331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :daisy duck is translated as "dolly", which is different from the original yet clearly english.
< 1382391943 174963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Presidential election of 2012.)
< 1382391973 261730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/11/23/so_why_would_someone_for_the_lizard_people "A man who claims to be the voter behind the infamous Lizard People ballot in the U.S. Senate race recount has come forward."
< 1382391996 118094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the right column is listing how many votes had some additional graphics (hearts, smileys or so) in addition to the number of an actual candidate, which is also grounds for disqualifying the vote.
< 1382392020 392957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.publicradio.org/content/2008/11/19/20081119_lizardpeople_33.jpg
< 1382392043 308119 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: haha
< 1382392061 221757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously they voted lizard people because they don't like any of the other candidates. Same reason someone vote Mickey Mouse, I suppose.
< 1382392064 302569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's "haavsto" and "ninistö"
< 1382392082 219979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or whatever words those are)
< 1382392082 662585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "Haavisto" and "Niinistö", names of the two actual candidates.
< 1382392086 492094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1382392090 30644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as anything else you would vote for, if you don't like any of the other candidates, you will vote for the remaining one, whether or not it is one of the choices.
< 1382392108 718629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is from the second round when only two candidates are left.
< 1382392112 748134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly if you're running for office it's advantageous to have a name with no dots in it (harder in finnish!)
< 1382392136 742191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.iltalehti.fi/presidentinvaalit/2012012415112887_pd.shtml has a couple of samples of actual discarded votes, too.
< 1382392147 534785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 for president
< 1382392148 342229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's one number 2 with a heart, for example.)
< 1382392148 866794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No dots in it?
< 1382392160 8369 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that why "Hussein" gets dropped
< 1382392163 463377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : that would make a mockery of the whole concept of student government! <-- now i'm thinking of that quote from terry pratchett's The Last Continent.
< 1382392169 373143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: easier in turkish??
< 1382392181 718440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I am not one of the candidates either, sorry.
< 1382392221 144235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "EI HOMOILLE" text in one (voting for #6) means approximately "NO GAYS"; the other candidate (#2) was a gay man.
< 1382392221 290241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i just nominated you "checkmate"
< 1382392254 779229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see there's also one "bullshit we can believe in" Obama sticker.
< 1382392279 908345 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so you vote by writing a name or a number in the "N:o" circle?
< 1382392286 210097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A number.
< 1382392307 642979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there's an election next month, maybe I should register to vote
< 1382392319 224980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a list inside the voting cubicle if you've happened to forget the number.
< 1382392321 522080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh today is the last day for doing so
< 1382392322 406370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1382392362 205650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't have any voter registration here -- they just mail the papers to everyone eligible.
< 1382392395 454253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you americans and your silly vote registration and having to fill in your own tax forms
< 1382392400 203815 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1382392408 935499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I can vote for.... city attorney, treasurer, and assessor-recorder, all of whom are incumbants running unopposed
< 1382392411 68189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that the turnout is terribly great. There's a noticeable correlation with the turnout and how nice the weather is.
< 1382392416 987672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some Propositions
< 1382392421 963071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and checks, mustn't forget checks.
< 1382392425 808980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :two (related) of which are actually controversial
< 1382392433 732087 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382392454 485101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :regarding whether or not to build http://8washington.com/
< 1382392457 82250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's the other thing, you've got so many of them elections.
< 1382392465 905078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we average even one per year.
< 1382392468 97610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, SF zoning laws are so fucked that the only way to build anything is to get direct approval from voters)
< 1382392518 787959 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you count the three parts of each normal election, sweden might even reach 3/4 elections per year
< 1382392524 85160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet the people who want no new development also want rents to be much lower
< 1382392530 600606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as though the supply of housing has nothing to do with the price
< 1382392546 369621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the presidential one with a 6-year interval, the EU parliament one with a 5-year one, the Finnish parliamentary elections every four years, and the muncipal thing every fourth year also.
< 1382392554 186201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that averages out to little less than one.
< 1382392563 38191 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, EU something, I guess we have those too probably
< 1382392569 723635 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :America, bastion of democracy
< 1382392608 161580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the presidential election often (almost always?) has two rounds.
< 1382392610 137078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2/6 + 1/5 + 1/4 + 1/4
< 1382392611 196543 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0333333333333332
< 1382392616 553925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's a bit more than one, then.
< 1382392656 178769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we usually just have the parliamentary and municipal/county ones, unless you count church elections and the saami parliament which are only for some people.
< 1382392670 736102 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1382392679 761235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think there's a church thing too.
< 1382392683 985328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's only for members, I think.
< 1382392705 449122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could vote in the church ones if i cared, but i'm not saami.
< 1382392721 178221 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382392729 184615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also the Åland Islands hold their own votes for their governing body.
< 1382392781 806187 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/5 + 3/4
< 1382392782 391815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :referendums are rare in norway, usually just every time we decide not to join the EU. although the capital had one this year for whether they should try to get the winter olympics.
< 1382392782 854647 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.95
< 1382392823 852975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION keeps forgetting that norway isn't in the EU
< 1382392830 939221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: We've had a total of two so far. (1931, to abolish prohibition, and 1994 to join the EU.)
< 1382392849 718332 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :California has a tradition of absurd ballot measures
< 1382392859 626167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess if we hadn't joined, we'd also keep on doing it. Though they're all very non-binding to the parliament, so it's mostly just a formal opinion poll.
< 1382392879 845906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Proposition 65
< 1382392886 122586 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1382392898 37303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which requires basically every object and location in the state to be labeled as containing hazardous chemicals
< 1382392903 888020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite cumbersome
< 1382392912 628788 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: my apartment complex has signs warnin it may cause cancer
< 1382392915 521989 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*warning
< 1382392918 676791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1382392943 902023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if norway maybe had some prohibition-related referendum once. we did have prohibition.
< 1382392947 664233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Living in California may cause cancer, I hear.
< 1382392949 23226 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is that the "known by the state of california to cause cancer" stuff?
< 1382392952 97669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes
< 1382392979 684331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they're not binding in norway either.
< 1382392997 133249 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an odd sentence ... how does it know? can a state even have knowledge?
< 1382393019 477765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a window have knowledge?
< 1382393036 110023 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the window is full of tardigrades
< 1382393042 321241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh; 70.6% of the votes over the whole country in 1931 were for abolishing prohibition; but in Åland the corresponding number was 98%.
< 1382393049 746555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they don't have very much to do out there.
< 1382393080 708803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: if that's a pun i must be missing it :'(
< 1382393114 789541 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean literal tardigrades.
< 1382393117 439902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long did prohibition last in finland
< 1382393119 536905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok norway has had 6: one to separate from sweden, one to stay a monarchy, one to introduce prohibition, one to repeal prohibition, and two to stay out of the EEC/EU.
< 1382393124 283601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you have a government monopoly on all things booze-related too?
< 1382393126 420974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(6 nationwide, that is.)
< 1382393132 84840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes.
< 1382393139 329247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 1919-1931.
< 1382393164 72321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well i meant a literal ledge
< 1382393186 175043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that matches quite closely the US.
< 1382393223 618222 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, literal tardigrades in a literal window
< 1382393225 52156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1907 to 1992 in Faroe Islands; limited private imports from Denmark were allowed from 1928" well it's nice to see some people sticking to their principles.
< 1382393297 550252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/The_Drunkard%27s_Progress_-_Color.jpg that's how it goes.
< 1382393300 208413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway was 1919-1925 so we got out a bit earlier.
< 1382393305 828739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1382393308 29350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*1926
< 1382393331 16928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in norway it was just hard liquor.
< 1382393348 758882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: otoh my friends live next to the Middlefield-Ellis-Whisman EPA Superfund site and there aren't any signs up about that
< 1382393362 982977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trichloroethane in the groundwater
< 1382393377 129002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to Fairchild, Intel, and Raytheon
< 1382393384 13219 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you pay someone they can forget a few things that were previously known to cause cancer
< 1382393384 277214 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm remembering that there's a literal plague outbreak in madagascar right now
< 1382393386 851077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an EPA EPA Superfund site
< 1382393393 213426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: probably, let me look
< 1382393405 380899 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: No route to host
< 1382393441 726442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The 1931 referendum had three options; abolish entirely, allow only mild drinks, or keep as-is. 70.6% for first and 28.0% for last, but only 1.4% for the middle road. I suppose we didn't want to do something a bunch of Norwegians already tried out.
< 1382393454 415544 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«A team of researchers in India has retracted their 2012 paper in PLoS One on botulinum toxin for plagiarism — while blaming the journal for failing to use its “soft wares” to catch the plagiarism.»
< 1382393475 4809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure actually shachaf
< 1382393523 205920 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :would an EPA EPA Superfund site be a place where the EPA destroyed the environment?
< 1382393532 877243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be in East Palo Alto
< 1382393537 551008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1382393551 786301 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhh.
< 1382393582 642359 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.epa.gov/region9/superfund/cooley/index.html
< 1382393605 240596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally got around to the last continent quote: "It lies on the Lassitude River, where an annual Regatta is held that attracts a lot of attention. Usually consisting of a race of wheeled boats pulled by camels on the sand, it was cancelled during the events of The Last Continent. It was felt that a river full of water made a mockery of the whole event."
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< 1382393624 508872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that's not a quote
< 1382393637 132504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Somehow that reminded me of the Sacrifice Zones from Snow Crash.
< 1382393637 384770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a wiki description. gets the gist though.
< 1382393666 958691 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382393697 939100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i hear lakka liqueur is popular in .fi
< 1382393700 748479 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well that's basically what a superfund site is, except that nominally it will be cleaned up in the future, except the EPA doesn't actually have the budget.
< 1382393705 903855 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1382393725 229434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I... guess. I'd wager a guess it's not as popular as, say, Koskenkorva.
< 1382393735 906003 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: https://twitter.com/mc_hankins/status/392390498943381506/photo/1 "I know stats!"
< 1382393755 476830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well actually i've never had the liqueur but i like the berries
< 1382393766 486999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by popular i just mean i like them
< 1382393801 991228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm sure it's popular-er here than in many other places, though. It's the kind of thing you'd take for dessert. (Perhaps even in the dessert.)
< 1382393809 472452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, the lake where I went sailing weekend before last used to be "544 acres of junkyard, hog farm, two substandard dumps, low lying flood plains, and a sewage treatment plant"
< 1382393888 241601 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.shorelinelake.com/about/history.htm they imported 2400 tons of fill per day for 13 years
< 1382393901 695417 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i actually live about an hour's drive from the most radioactive site in the united states, which is kind of weird.
< 1382393942 950971 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: which one's that?
< 1382393955 775464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The place I did my civil service year in, they distributed a paper to all homes officially disrecommending eating anything picked up nearby, there was an old lead processing plant nearby which was kind of an environmental disaster.
< 1382393961 795559 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :site w, it's where they made the plutonium for the manhattan project.
< 1382393966 886775 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SL-1? ohhh
< 1382393973 732678 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you might imagine they didn't know how to make a reactor that wasn't messy as hell.
< 1382393977 800619 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you're probably still a bit far from idaho
< 1382393995 135318 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. that is messy
< 1382393997 764382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2400*365*13
< 1382393998 929186 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11388000
< 1382394000 693780 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"53 million gallons of waste"
< 1382394008 488599 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"25 million cubic feet of solid waste" @_@
< 1382394009 443786 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]
< 1382394011 393438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know how, or didn't care because they were in a hurry and there was a war on
< 1382394012 623279 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many squash courts is that?
< 1382394029 720467 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i've seen pictures where there are just whole barrels of radioactive waste from the 40s sitting underwater without tops
< 1382394036 637618 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: true
< 1382394038 508993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or didn't know what the long term effects of radiation are
< 1382394080 531738 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't think of SL-1. i'm right near the idaho border, but the lab is on the other side of the state, it seems
< 1382394088 204686 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382394119 432719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Sweden voters often voted for Donald Duck or the Donald Duck Party as a nonexistent candidate until a 2006 change in voting laws, which prohibited voting for nonexistent candidates." <-- my mind boggles at the idea that swedes are so law-abiding that the law made them _stop_ doing this. (i assume the votes would be discarded in any case, both before and after.)
< 1382394141 449317 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair hanford is in one of the emptier parts of the country
< 1382394163 31526 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hanford_High_School.jpg but then,
< 1382394164 738347 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, did that actually change the frequency of donald duck votes? I haven't heard about that law
< 1382394184 429605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was someone wandering around the place I work at, looking for a nuclear reactor.
< 1382394211 976886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Otaniemi research reactor, which is about to be completely deactivated, is somewhere there.)
< 1382394222 902524 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spent_nuclear_fuel_hanford.jpg ah yeah, there's the photo
< 1382394230 598034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Marshall later conceded that, "I had never never heard of atomic fission but I did know that you could not build much of a plant, much less four of them for $90 million. A single TNT plant that Nichols had recently built in Pennsylvania had cost $128 million.
< 1382394239 759716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor were they impressed with estimates to the nearest order of magnitude, which Groves compared with telling a caterer to prepare for between ten and a thousand guests.'
< 1382394268 687387 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :engineers strike again
< 1382394273 876845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like physicists
< 1382394284 60846 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't get my joeks straight :(
< 1382394294 301031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is a small research reactor located in Otaniemi, Espoo; a TRIGA Mark II, built for the Helsinki University of Technology in 1962." "TRIGA Mark II" sounds fancy.
< 1382394328 773855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kind if thing you'd expect a family to have in the basement in an outdated sci-fi.
< 1382394384 127199 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRIGA is the model at my school too :3
< 1382394424 419910 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One of Groves' early problems was to find a director for Project Y, the group that would design and build the bomb.... Compton recommended Oppenheimer, who was already intimately familiar with the bomb design concepts. However, Oppenheimer had little administrative experience, and, unlike Urey, Lawrence or Compton, had not won a Nobel Prize, which many scientists felt that the head of such an important laboratory should have."
< 1382394430 432274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a tough job requirement
< 1382394437 621657 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol.
< 1382394449 852841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There were also concerns about Oppenheimer's security status, as many of his associates were communists"
< 1382394484 622069 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number of communist physicists who worked on the project is a bit sad
< 1382394529 139762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :communism was cool back then right
< 1382394541 864551 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, sad in that they apparently didn't think about the politics of what they were doing
< 1382394570 920247 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :until afterwards when they all joined or started antiwar organizations, i mean
< 1382394684 307808 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SL-1 this thing is scary
< 1382394766 716656 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whoopsies our 3 megawatt reactor just output 20 gigawatts"
< 1382394797 965439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time I go to some slightly related page, I end up doing a Wikipedia binge on nuclear "incidents" (nice word).
< 1382394812 443053 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too, it's kind of like with plane crashes >_<
< 1382394827 879944 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like how someone links to something about stellar remnants and I spend a day reading about supernovae
< 1382394883 682553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ending up in the Therac-25 page is also always a bummer.
< 1382395056 821273 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Previous models had hardware interlocks in place to prevent this, but Therac-25 had removed them, depending instead on software interlocks for safety. The software interlock could fail due to a race condition." eesh.
< 1382395165 212953 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Goiânia is the worst i know of, it's like some kind of fucked up heist film
< 1382395281 190119 :augur!~augur@pool-96-241-145-146.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382395289 988964 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He inserted the screwdriver and successfully scooped out some of the glowing substance. Thinking it was perhaps a type of gunpowder, he tried to light it, but the powder would not ignite" for example
< 1382395357 476435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the "demon core".
< 1382395394 87331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While attempting to stack another brick around the assembly, Daghlian accidentally dropped it onto the core and thereby caused the core to go critical, a self-sustaining chain reaction."
< 1382395403 761631 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :accidents involving people actually working with it seem less grave though
< 1382395404 500661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That must've been also quite a sinking feeling.
< 1382395408 730885 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and the Slotin incident
< 1382395414 614477 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"
< 1382395581 331285 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the experiment slotin was doing is ridiculously terrifying, holding the reflector above the core with a *screwdriver*
< 1382395612 71963 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds a bit like a stupidly constructed experiment
< 1382395632 522457 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Slotin, who was given to bravado, became the local expert, performing the test almost a dozen separate times, often in his trademark bluejeans and cowboy boots, in front of a roomful of observers. Enrico Fermi reportedly told Slotin and others they would be "dead within a year" if they continued performing it."
< 1382395686 17758 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he die
< 1382395746 178965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1382395755 817961 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1382395756 459238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Within a year, I think.
< 1382395763 605680 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done
< 1382395783 668478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Fermi did have one of them Nobels.
< 1382395844 733069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobel Prize for Not Dying
< 1382395845 594334 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of my favorite accidents is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windscale_fire
< 1382395853 887524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, he died nine days after the accident; it's not listed very clearly in the source how long before that the Fermi warning was, but I doubt it was more than a year.)
< 1382395886 391265 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tickling_the_Dragons_Tail.jpg
< 1382395889 784057 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just, wow
< 1382395920 868146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BuzzFeed: 12 Most EPIC FAIL Nuclear Accidents
< 1382395930 54774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :animated cat gif for each
< 1382395965 615307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Finland really has had (knocking on wood) any proper nuclear accidents.
< 1382395979 834389 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: shudder
< 1382395991 165011 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: like, even knowing that's a simulation, it's terrifying to just look at that
< 1382395998 803473 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I love the fact that Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download exists
< 1382396035 273744 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :criticality excursions are always fun
< 1382396048 159107 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"excursion" makes it sound like some sort of trip
< 1382396056 840690 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"where are we going today, ms. frizzle?"
< 1382396062 910037 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we're going on a criticality excursion!"
< 1382396090 773961 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"awwwwww, I knew I should have stayed home today!"
< 1382396093 977292 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad it's not just me
< 1382396099 567241 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahahaha
< 1382396110 491741 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you have RTGs in the arctic or anything
< 1382396122 330981 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real Fast Nora's Criticality Excursion 3: Shear Disaster Download
< 1382396137 671410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh yeah the Soviet Union left a bunch of RTGs lying around the far arctic unattended
< 1382396142 620761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes people steal them
< 1382396143 963466 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's what i was thinking
< 1382396146 174469 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or try to cuddle with them for warmth
< 1382396146 507750 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :get yo lighthouse on
< 1382396149 50145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'all should learn about wavelet trees too
< 1382396153 80878 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time they dropped one into a lake by accident
< 1382396153 226201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://slbkbs.org/wavelet.txt
< 1382396164 434726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they also crashed a nuclear reactor into Canada that one time
< 1382396166 210943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems worse
< 1382396167 771411 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I'm too sad that Google Wave didn't catch on
< 1382396182 294294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wavelet trees are unrelated to Google Wave
< 1382396188 379293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mostly unrelated to wavelets
< 1382396234 175181 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8" pls
< 1382396237 797277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're related to wavelets?? they're a bit like a progressive encoding of a string in an arbitrary alphabet
< 1382396242 53114 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I love how like. the US pu-238 (I think?) RTG fuel units are totally non-radioactive
< 1382396247 491763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: :'(
< 1382396253 385349 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could actually cuddle them (minus the whole, like, 500 celcius thing)
< 1382396266 90562 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray cuddles
< 1382396277 350467 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they're alpha sources, aren't they
< 1382396283 108341 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that RTG as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator ?
< 1382396295 679169 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking about next term taking an introduction to Dutch module
< 1382396303 291937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Not that I know of.
< 1382396318 794055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anyway an RTG is designed to absorb as much of its own radiation as possible, that's the whole point
< 1382396322 25441 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: are Dutch modules related to D-modules?
< 1382396329 255096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I was trying to Google for any nuclear mishaps in Finland, but only got some decidedly paranoid-looking rambling.
< 1382396332 786321 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what the hell did you think the D stood for
< 1382396338 628055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "I have also made notice of that there is triangle shaped thunderstorms which reach Estonian. This isnt natural that they are triangle shaped. And also, always coming above the nuclear plant. So my theory is that nuclear radiation causes electrical phenomenom in atmosphere that raises serious thunder."
< 1382396347 274233 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice
< 1382396350 598633 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fueling_of_the_MSL_MMRTG_001.jpg
< 1382396351 347431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :triangular shaped radiation
< 1382396356 761041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ngevD?
< 1382396405 697012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone remember the Great Reddit Nuclear Accident of 2012
< 1382396415 198849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask someone if they can understand the "sideways reasoning" puzzle I asked to Dungeons&Dragons game.
< 1382396449 660516 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, fool, how nïave
< 1382396478 946926 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I wish I couldn't remember what I had for breakfast
< 1382396513 567283 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the milk had gone off... I don't have very good luck with milk)
< 1382396568 807780 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did the milk go off to?
< 1382396601 619577 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Majorca
< 1382396603 775275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Went to read of the Goiânia thing, hit the "the guard in charge of daytime security -- did not show up to work, using a sick day to attend a cinema screening of Herbie Goes Bananas with his family" bit.
< 1382396696 985585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor guy
< 1382396736 157863 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1382396740 194739 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382397103 634616 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah I'm suddenly remembering some really awful Haskell code I wrote when I was just learning the language
< 1382397104 348147 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382397208 373371 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to travel back in time and hit myself and shout "Don't bother, this ways kind of really dumb"
< 1382397221 33653 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then maybe I needed the learning experience
< 1382397252 127250 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382401140 959992 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jwz.org/blog/2013/10/today-in-computational-necromancy-2/
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< 1382401200 230657 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"simply transmit the program via the audio jack" is a pretty great phrase
< 1382401229 439622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :audio jack of all trades
< 1382401243 881775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1382401260 343152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I used to store my TRS-80 Model 100 programs as .WAV files on my parents' Windows 95 machine
< 1382401366 530698 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the MIT intro signal processing class has a lab where you transmit data using speaker and microphone: https://github.com/keithw/onepingonly
< 1382401382 573214 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool :o
< 1382401542 526474 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice.
< 1382402452 165136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also http://www.araneus.fi/audsl/
< 1382402560 218637 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pity it can't do V.90.
< 1382402666 869122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1382402680 542541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what's the fastest "real modem" standard you can implement with a sound card
< 1382402730 499436 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost certainly waaay faster than v.90. That's what winmodems *are*, so.
< 1382402816 466436 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1382402870 448143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having trouble believing that you can go from 44.1k 16-bit samples per second to way more than 56 kilobits per second
< 1382402880 817168 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know though
< 1382402890 926777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do winmodems really offload everything besides the DAC/ADC?
< 1382402904 909559 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 44100 * 16
< 1382402905 963710 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 705600
< 1382402914 866675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess I'm using the word "offload" backwards of its usual meaning)
< 1382402973 691441 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common soundcards often surpass 44.1k 16-bit samples (for no good reason)
< 1382402978 957157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true
< 1382403031 234110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway this AuDSL does 96 kbps so clearly I'm wrong and it is possible
< 1382403033 431514 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet distort the input
< 1382403072 744277 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason for 56kbps is pretty simple, FWIW. The audio channel it's going over is (effectively) 7-bit 8k mu-law PCM.
< 1382403073 761210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er I guess that just comes from 4-level amplitude modulation * 48 kHz sample rate
< 1382403085 278082 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. 56k.
< 1382403092 270107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the POTS is?
< 1382403095 605803 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1382403128 638484 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :POTS is *actually* 8-bit 8kHz, but the low bit is stolen for in-band signalling on a regular basis, making it hard to use.
< 1382403130 392616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AuDSL doesn't seem to have any error correcting code
< 1382403178 443587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: tricky
< 1382403246 711397 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah. 56kbps is the limit because that's literally the rate that POTS guarantees over digital switching.
< 1382403265 236970 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, that's neat to know.
< 1382403268 12668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1382403280 927114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the analog last-mile is good enough that you don't lose very much there?
< 1382403284 258682 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean that you can read the signalling by taking the low bits off your telephone line
< 1382403287 892993 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yup.
< 1382403312 927141 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is also why you only get 56kbps down. Because it only actually works when you can control the PCM coming out.
< 1382403317 86444 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I.. think so?
< 1382403331 805664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by that?
< 1382403352 314536 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :The end point of a 56k modem line isn't hooked up via analog last-mile.
< 1382403383 758334 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end at the service you're dialing into, you mean?
< 1382403386 646354 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1382403387 129713 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this will inspire me to try figuring out the ethernet on my FPGA board again
< 1382403406 940753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, but I still don't see why that makes down different from up
< 1382403864 635616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you see the same problem I see with this chess problem? http://www.chessvariants.org/problems.dir/chaturangadehaas.html
< 1382404049 844788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think there is another problem too.
< 1382404142 395190 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, probably just one.
< 1382404451 681729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I pattern match rose trees, for example A(B C(D E) F G(H(I))) and I want to match A(? C(*) F G(?)) or whatever and then use the parameters received to do a replacement or some other program
< 1382404695 187687 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-236.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382404884 773908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1382404920 412452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried to ask anyone but nobody can know this yet.
< 1382405061 13942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know?
< 1382405083 435427 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may also want to match it elsewhere in the tree, rather than only the top.
< 1382405112 550637 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tree is stored in a SQL table with one record per node, although if I can match in C that is good enough; such thing can be made to provide to SQL.
< 1382405389 565201 :ion!ion@heh.fi NICK :ION
< 1382405398 794745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HION
< 1382405434 879308 :ION!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HACHAF
< 1382405443 955705 :ION!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MERRY INTERNATIONAL CAPS LOCK DAY
< 1382405458 790845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1382405464 14039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :idon'tparticipateinthat
< 1382405541 702709 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1382406046 664041 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://24.media.tumblr.com/c2bc96625b70798ce816820ab3af7625/tumblr_muuav0Erwl1s1y5f6o1_500.png meanwhile in something bitcoin
< 1382406123 608941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you participate in not spaces day instead?
< 1382406401 956041 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1382407200 397616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*international* caps lock day? sounds communist
< 1382407239 266278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :american caps lock day is 4 months later to avoid such associations
< 1382407297 195142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the anarcho-libertarian sausage shop in Berkeley didn't seem to accept Bitcoin :/
< 1382407302 967771 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't have the guts to ask though
< 1382407473 373586 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:c8:1f4a:2ff7:8eac QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1382408260 87107 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( DrRacket seems to like freezing when I make an infinite loop in what should be a different thread
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< 1382408988 764936 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syncing on system-idle-evt seems to be working now, hmm
< 1382408995 169357 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, just froze
< 1382409886 237888 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1382410307 632422 :augur_!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net NICK :augur
< 1382410414 471548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw man you can't "actually" jump to the legacy vsyscall page at 0xffffffffff600000 on modern Linux
< 1382410421 911504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it claims to be mapped executable but this is a lie
< 1382410445 996961 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1382410516 878053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel traps it and emulates the old behavior because MUST NOT BREAK USERSPACE ABI EVER
< 1382410528 369895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also means that the old way of making an extra fast syscall is now extra slow
< 1382410536 444334 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WAI"
< 1382410546 821217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess a 100x performance regression doesn't count as breaking userspace ABI
< 1382410573 99821 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, is this linux-gate.dso or whatever
< 1382410584 964777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the old version of that
< 1382410595 274574 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1382410596 504468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just raw machine code mapped at a fixed address
< 1382410597 832467 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysterious
< 1382410603 306065 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds sensible
< 1382410605 843758 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382410625 830216 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why the page apparently has three syscall instructions followed by rets
< 1382410628 985799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is nice and simple but also very useful for exploit writers, to have a SYSCALL; RET sequence at a known address
< 1382410636 620679 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't one enough
< 1382410649 785653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: this is the stuff for implementing clock_gettime() / gettimeofday() / etc. in userspace
< 1382410652 789117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's one per call
< 1382410657 9718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the generic syscall path
< 1382410675 932606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on AMD64 you make a syscall using the SYSCALL instruction directly
< 1382410679 236023 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the polling thing
< 1382410699 319528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only on i386 that you go through the vDSO for all syscalls
< 1382410701 220490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :polling thing?
< 1382410706 755848 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1382410714 754278 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the one where linux writes the time into the page itself
< 1382410721 475342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that yeah
< 1382410757 735134 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382410765 995878 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the legacy fixed-address thing is deprecated and so the code sequences were reverted to real syscalls in order to be less useful to exploit writers
< 1382410825 642022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new (not that new) vDSO is an ordinary ELF shared object; the kernel maps it into memory and then passes its address to the dynamic linker, which links it like any other .so
< 1382410848 838846 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that means its address can be randomized as well
< 1382410895 49333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel kinda dumb talking about this trivia because it's just trivia
< 1382410919 424304 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a cool thing though. i like linkers even if i don't understand then
< 1382410930 690769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I can't solve hard problems and I just collect trivia instead but both seem to be useful so w/e
< 1382410964 789467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://www.iecc.com/linker/ is cool
< 1382411036 933912 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should (re)read more of it
< 1382411079 45783 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah i've seen that
< 1382411095 736437 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some cool php errors maybe i should actually read it instead of uh *looks at tabs* something about tunicates
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< 1382411587 229627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird that many of the people campaigning for affordable housing in SF also want no new housing built anywhere
< 1382411594 725648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just want all the people they don't like to stop trying to live here
< 1382411610 832211 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they want the govt to magically make housing cheap without a tax base of rich tech workers to draw on
< 1382411628 502142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that the current city govt would be remotely capable of doing that in an efficent way, anyway)
< 1382411639 709437 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see that thing i retweeted about silicon valley seceeding
< 1382411643 303369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1382411662 768077 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty great that a journalist took it seriously
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< 1382412118 37483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh it's not clear that building a bunch of new luxury apartments will help
< 1382412132 41086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might result in people like me moving out of the historically lower income areas, causing rents to fall there
< 1382412144 599271 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it might result in more of us moving to the city from elsewhere
< 1382412215 219387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :economics of housing are fucking weird and it's one of the areas where simple supply/demand analysis is most wrong
< 1382412262 133863 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually know the few things i do about housing prices from a microeconomics class (since rent controls make for a good example)
< 1382412268 640190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1382412271 278439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what things do you know
< 1382412279 211031 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :less than you!
< 1382412296 634204 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about that!
< 1382412297 779800 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly i remember that rent controlled apartments tend to have ended up in the hands of people who don't need rent control so much
< 1382412307 430693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have basically no formal knowledge of economics
< 1382412351 623242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm in a rent controlled unit and so are a lot of my fellow rich tech wanker friends
< 1382412375 670629 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1382412438 111353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi copumpkin
< 1382412445 839255 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf!!!!1!11!!1!!!!
< 1382412487 925286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ⱳɦỏả, ɗủɗẻ
< 1382412503 553752 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds rent control... weird
< 1382412525 655605 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1382412595 742382 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rent control?
< 1382412637 559902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: how are the pumpkins
< 1382412642 274461 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have any :(
< 1382412666 150391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when is cohalloween
< 1382412675 14498 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me
< 1382412779 241201 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Rent control is a scheme wherein governments mandate that a rent cannot increase by more than a certain percentage at a time.
< 1382412845 218954 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly nuts when utilities are included with rent.
< 1382412881 39407 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you live in New York State. C'mon, NY runs on rent control.
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< 1382412906 864806 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still living in the apartment that my dad owns
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< 1382413053 772478 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: SF is worst than NY
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< 1382413136 962262 :zhr0!~wiz@a94-133-137-209.cpe.netcabo.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thevenusproject.com/online-community
< 1382413276 873045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it
< 1382413294 987893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rwelcome zhr0
< 1382413298 259672 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :04zhr0: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 13hub 06for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 13deployment! 06For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 13wiki: 06http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 13esoterica, 06try 04#esoteric 07on 08irc.dal.net.)
< 1382413422 507229 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least it's not porn.
< 1382413439 879798 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting porn
< 1382413475 565455 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it involves cybernating.
< 1382413496 595774 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, spamming ain't cool.
< 1382413549 548529 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Books such as 1984 and Brave New World, and motion pictures such as Blade-Runner and Terminator 2 have spawned fear in some people regarding the takeover of technology in our society. The Venus Project's only purpose is to elevate the spiritual and intellectual potential of all people, while at the same time providing the goods and services that will meet their individual and material needs.
< 1382413611 119502 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish people wouldn't use nervous system analogies to refer to any distributed system.
< 1382413614 702889 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike seriously, spamming ain't cool
< 1382413643 171462 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not spamming. I'm sharing information with the world.
< 1382414115 73900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike seriously
< 1382414124 338446 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1382414212 317872 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just one paste, that's not actually spamming, I hope
< 1382414337 721810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Save often! Floss regularly! Floss meaningfully! Floss athletically! Think happy thoughts! And above all, never forget: who is the Boss of you? Me! I am the Boss of you!
< 1382414763 936137 :zhr0!~wiz@a94-133-137-209.cpe.netcabo.pt PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
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< 1382416369 864927 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike pls why u keep spammin
< 1382416400 854013 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_;
< 1382416404 984902 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1382416408 89337 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko
< 1382416410 73044 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko
< 1382416411 649068 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko
< 1382416413 672727 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko
< 1382416414 35607 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1382416415 321148 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko
< 1382416416 649355 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1382416417 889168 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko
< 1382416420 680859 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokoko
< 1382416422 713228 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko
< 1382416432 313123 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have my first driving lesson tomorrow
< 1382416440 729837 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek
< 1382416449 430504 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just like riding a bike
< 1382416505 482220 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot
< 1382416520 193107 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1382416537 227112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i heard driving lessons in finland are basically impossible
< 1382416540 127325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :might as well give up now
< 1382416556 948050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: hello, mnoqy.
< 1382416561 831419 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1382416574 575039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know about succinct data structures y/n
< 1382416591 227450 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1382416599 911368 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i wish i was succinct
< 1382416660 268224 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1382416670 868686 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate doing impossible things
< 1382416700 777248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, driving in finland is not actually impossible
< 1382416706 783600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but braking is equivalent to the halting problem
< 1382416760 25467 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true, coming to a complete stop is just asymptote-chasing
< 1382416799 688145 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered just adjusting your reference frame so that you're not moving
< 1382416813 74931 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god that was the best joke ever
< 1382416818 974687 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf's i mean
< 1382416823 327559 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1382416825 214798 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike's i haven't read yet
< 1382416829 662889 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will read it now
< 1382416835 845865 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel very good about my humor sense now
< 1382416857 183368 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay yours is um
< 1382416865 151448 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok 9/10 :)
< 1382416874 511564 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also really good!
< 1382416875 965094 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to soften the blow
< 1382416881 920035 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know i;m terible
< 1382416885 44172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please remain seated until the plane has come to a complete stop. Thank you for flying Zeno Airlines.
< 1382416916 273820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now my average is 5/10 :'(
< 1382416933 984397 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::')
< 1382416973 40384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ⓜ )
< 1382416977 306321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ⓝ )
< 1382416981 270682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ⓞ )
< 1382416983 978660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ⓠ )
< 1382416986 383541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ⓨ )
< 1382417013 147699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am unable to do impossible things. It may seem that some impossible things can sometimes happen, but I doubt it.
< 1382417031 825510 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isn't it the definition of impossible things that they cannot happen
< 1382417033 207276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, it's impossible for impossible things to happen.
< 1382417044 870699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So most people conclude that they never do.
< 1382417048 982552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's circular logic!
< 1382417074 90598 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that have once been described as impossible may well be doable, but then that description, by definition, was wrong.
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< 1382417087 565959 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i wish i was impossible
< 1382417100 64454 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently just braking me is though
< 1382417100 371324 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: O, OK, yes I suppose you would be correct about that.
< 1382417101 228517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, Bike. you are
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< 1382418223 86248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais[...]@gmail.com turned out not to be ais523 :-(
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< 1382436352 738097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A DISCONTINUED MUCH AS IN THE REASONS HE'S A RECENT EVENTS HAVE PROMPTED BY AN OUNCE AT THE C. A. N. S.
< 1382436370 521017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Even you make more sense than these results.
< 1382436370 687709 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe its just my lack of a standard.
< 1382436376 969515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Could be.
< 1382436377 292417 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lol this game is awesome. fnord, c. a compiled scheme rewrite seems the best way
< 1382436540 341858 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl
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< 1382437774 978016 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1382438969 449613 :atslash!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1382440838 322004 :ION!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp/comments/1owwcz/pupesoft_a_finnish_erp_app/
< 1382441103 111526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382441843 243987 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"
< 1382441932 506203 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1382442704 11228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh lolphp censors nicks?
< 1382442714 667542 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382442938 537811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that was as easy to get around as expected.
< 1382442971 107241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it keeps out the chaff.
< 1382443024 284709 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :HION
< 1382443483 563179 :ION!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIREFLY
< 1382443488 646124 :ION!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAPPY CAPS LOCK DAY
< 1382443554 497520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HireFly, a killer for hire.
< 1382443601 802628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: OKAY
< 1382444265 311462 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382444275 732726 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382444291 994179 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good croissant morning!
< 1382444341 874595 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't think I did.
< 1382444672 185070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you should, to keep up with things.
< 1382444838 600193 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my backlog has a backlog backlog, and on top of that I'm piling up this season's series.
< 1382444877 175795 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I have a bunch of bundles of books and stories to read, sets of albums to listen to, and a bluetooth device to pair.)
< 1382445725 798716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least there's just one of those.
< 1382445785 547364 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382446001 588907 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1382446049 828677 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: one device that I still can't pair. why must it be so fscking complex?
< 1382446534 906291 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382447526 160894 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382448974 108272 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
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< 1382450835 376830 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1382450837 147203 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1382450891 315705 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382450907 367741 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good my-machine-froze morning!
< 1382451000 716815 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382451083 291188 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1382451142 631588 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382451938 697594 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382451994 31736 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1382451995 876221 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1382452071 326105 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382452156 519859 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fungot is going on. second crash.
< 1382452156 702310 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: do you need
< 1382452162 140816 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes, I do need.
< 1382452162 423401 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if you aren't allowed to put fnord rye-bread in it's place in the world is the best
< 1382452173 419489 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...............wut?
< 1382452190 788197 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1382452206 630881 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what has knäckebröd got to do with my computer problems?
< 1382452206 776277 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it is implemented in bef86 though.
< 1382452218 172177 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: OKAY.
< 1382452218 462610 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you need to be at the " object" metaphor. sue me.). it loses its
< 1382452289 284883 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382452450 864316 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1382452513 554454 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL
< 1382452524 702370 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382452536 65344 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL
< 1382452536 258933 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 221429Z 25018G34KT 8SM -RA BKN015 OVC035 09/06 A2968 RMK SF5SC3 RERA PRESRR SLP052
< 1382452542 840966 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~yi
< 1382452542 986526 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your divination: "Bound" to "Providing-For"
< 1382452547 834560 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~fortune
< 1382452548 155295 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I thought that you said you were 20 years old!"
< 1382452548 301144 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As a programmer, yes," she replied,
< 1382452548 301305 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And you claimed to be very near two meters tall!"
< 1382452548 301463 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You said you were blonde, but you lied!"
< 1382452548 301565 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, she was a hacker and he was one, too,
< 1382452548 744917 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had so much in common, you'd say.
< 1382452548 890520 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They exchanged jokes and poems, and clever new hacks,
< 1382452549 728514 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And prompts that were cute or risque'.
< 1382452549 873964 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He sent her a picture of his brother Sam,
< 1382452550 733675 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :She sent one from some past high school day,
< 1382452550 879144 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it might have gone on for the rest of their lives,
< 1382452551 786833 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they hadn't met in L.A.
< 1382452551 932385 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your beard is an armpit," she said in disgust.
< 1382452552 735382 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He answered, "Your armpit's a beard!"
< 1382452568 909736 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless bot.
< 1382452756 567537 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382453157 971810 :FreeFull!~freefull@176.249.115.100 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382453160 511522 :FreeFull!~freefull@176.249.115.100 QUIT :Changing host
< 1382453160 656977 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382453225 932976 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382453600 360110 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1382454003 254026 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382454025 20675 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the Dysfunctional programming language?
< 1382454085 155175 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it
< 1382454099 836863 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be a new programming language I make.
< 1382454108 253555 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is a function.
< 1382454144 962506 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The following could be a Hello, World program.
< 1382454147 604495 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRINTSTR("Hello, World!")
< 1382454151 714468 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRINTCHAR(10)
< 1382454171 109210 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are "Hello, World!" and 10 functions too
< 1382454201 58663 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they are values.
< 1382454212 199762 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then how is everything a function
< 1382454217 219522 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello, World!" and a newline are displayed.
< 1382454248 837019 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is a function except the values
< 1382454258 695094 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what I mean.
< 1382454287 921350 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i take it functions aren't values
< 1382454307 82689 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh..yeah.
< 1382454318 154315 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truth Machine:
< 1382454322 836164 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INPUTNUM(x)
< 1382454329 403893 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LABELIF(EQUAL(x,0),"0","1")
< 1382454333 905344 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LBLDEFN("1")
< 1382454339 471450 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRINTNUM(x)
< 1382454344 149716 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTO("1")
< 1382454348 96128 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LBLDEFN("0")
< 1382454349 676724 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anything interesting about functions? or by everything being a function do you just mean that you use the thingy(thingy,thingy) syntax
< 1382454351 481341 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRINTNUM(x)
< 1382454367 792180 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is "satire"
< 1382454371 407683 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you define INPUTNUM and GOTO and LBLDEFN and LABELIF in your language
< 1382454380 496863 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like you are programming a calculator.
< 1382454391 496733 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INPUTNUM inputs a number to a variable as an argument.
< 1382454395 177044 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: i'm imagining things like
< 1382454402 535368 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapping lbldefn over some values
< 1382454407 403870 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So INPUTNUM(x) inputs something and stores it into x.
< 1382454434 390875 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: functions aren't values. map would have to be a special form. but there are no special forms. everything is a function.
< 1382454439 94244 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LBLDEFN("labelname") defines a label, and GOTO("label") works in the same way.
< 1382454443 720459 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: zen
< 1382454480 267475 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LABELIF(conditional,goto_label_true,goto_label_false)
< 1382454489 829299 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :map could be a "value"
< 1382454493 876406 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: how are they different from simple keywords, though!
< 1382454497 682056 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: i meant, can you write a definition for them in your language. not an english definition. can you write a function that does exactly what INPUTNUM does, but it's written by you, and not a special part of the spec
< 1382454514 188049 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: see: 08:05:49 is there anything interesting about functions? or by everything being a function do you just mean that you use the thingy(thingy,thingy) syntax
< 1382454518 92803 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you can define your own functions.
< 1382454534 486224 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: but can they do the things that INPUTNUM and LBLDEFN and LABELIF do
< 1382454541 752681 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: i'm going to socratically approach the "these aren't actually functions" wish me luck
< 1382454550 687818 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUNCDEFN(function_syntax,"codeblockname")
< 1382454566 159422 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes a function that does whatever is in the codeblock.
< 1382454579 690914 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CODEBLOCK("codeblockname") defines a codeblock.
< 1382454592 661259 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CODEBLOCKEND("codeblockname") end a codeblock.
< 1382454611 45901 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, what do you mean by these things being functions
< 1382454631 992862 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is partly inspired by spreadsheet syntax in Excel.
< 1382454667 631514 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'm caving in: JWinslow23: see, the thing is, these functions are not really functions in a meaningful way, they're just syntax that looks like function calls
< 1382454671 583252 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you write
< 1382454673 701917 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :goto some_place
< 1382454676 853949 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :as
< 1382454682 30038 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTO("some_place")
< 1382454690 253470 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382454696 776301 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why does Functional exist?
< 1382454697 960091 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not suddenly a function! functions have real interesting properties
< 1382454731 539019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dysfunctional programming is already a thing on the wiki. for what it's worth.
< 1382454736 840296 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Functional should not exist.
< 1382454749 650112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/0x29A http://esolangs.org/wiki/Object_disoriented
< 1382454771 541309 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functional makes the same mistake
< 1382454809 270066 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you it was satire
< 1382454834 826886 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was "satire"?
< 1382454948 797975 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::^)
< 1382454970 738968 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then can anyone help me make something like Brainmaker?
< 1382455010 897785 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way
< 1382455056 48980 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like that, but 2 dimensional, maybe?
< 1382455078 26394 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, how do you write ACTUAL code in Brainmaker?
< 1382455086 765191 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone got any good resources for learning Clean? I want to see what uniqueness types are about
< 1382455092 388847 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh what's brainmaker
< 1382455097 902118 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: tehz language
< 1382455108 205721 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: you're familiar with tehz, right?
< 1382455168 267366 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not
< 1382455174 55225 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you're in for a treat
< 1382455182 988728 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainmaker
< 1382455244 123262 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how it just starts talking about "cells", like,
< 1382455253 830857 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: You define a language and then write your code
< 1382455254 313893 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you damn well know this is a bf derivative so let's just get over with it"
< 1382455255 287368 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple
< 1382455290 775736 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, there is no interpreter for it
< 1382455337 912785 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll make one. HQ9+, maybe.
< 1382455344 845711 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be right back!
< 1382455347 652508 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. can't we just... like... I don't know, maybe, perhaps like delete all those languages-which-are-very-boring-variations-of-one-another, and languages-which-aren't-even-esoteric-much-less-anything-at-all-i'm-looking-at-you-poison?
< 1382455393 65816 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainmaker is unique enough
< 1382455403 847900 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'd kill people if http://esolangs.org/wiki/poison disappeared
< 1382455411 965680 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite part is the terminology tehz invented & made a page about to describe it. mostly the talk page. http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Meta_Turing-complete it still hasn't been deleted
< 1382455483 979788 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(unless you are an admin?)" nice
< 1382455535 18856 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh apparently someone else invented it. i'll blame both of em
< 1382455545 500788 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: re: poison's disappearance: why would that make you violent?
< 1382455621 557077 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a beautiful page
< 1382455642 385731 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who remembers FURscript. who remembers Snack.
< 1382455663 318733 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :esme... the language with the zombies,,,
< 1382455669 965436 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats snack
< 1382455674 566198 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i w-- yes
< 1382455677 139787 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who will have had to be remembered feather?
< 1382455685 195967 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLEEP? ARE YOU CRAZY? LETS GET UP FOR MIDNIGHT DINNER
< 1382455747 993874 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION performs a Mathes eqaution
< 1382455790 748041 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION backs away from that bunch of demented esötericians...
< 1382455813 589889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: I wasn't an admin at the time
< 1382455824 387428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not allowed to be that rude to people now that I am
< 1382455830 313514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I am but I feel worse about it
< 1382455833 345616 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :um you're -- yes
< 1382455836 946198 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Apple3.14
< 1382455860 810750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's painful to read me being mean to people
< 1382455876 191165 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: what. the. fungot. is. that.
< 1382455950 478083 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: nice
< 1382455964 573174 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Unusable
< 1382456061 237915 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs far, far away “I AM SANE! I AM SAAAAAAAANE!”
< 1382456200 251811 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/6ix this language (with variations on syntax) seems to be quite popular
< 1382456232 958359 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I could not possibly implement the Q command, so instead, I made a Hello, World! program.
< 1382456244 93277 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :H : ++++++++++
< 1382456248 495707 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e : [?'!>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-&]>
< 1382456253 214143 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :l : +
< 1382456257 60481 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o : .
< 1382456261 495677 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :, : >+.+++++++
< 1382456265 940246 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric : : ..+++.>++.
< 1382456270 963261 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :W : <<+++++++++++++++
< 1382456275 566918 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r : >.++
< 1382456280 6070 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :d : .------.---
< 1382456284 172954 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :! : -----.>+.>.
< 1382456284 983153 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1382456288 655878 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, World!
< 1382456299 423290 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺
< 1382456302 254421 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was it.
< 1382456573 550590 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an esolang idea... "inspiration"...
< 1382456619 25651 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lay it on me...
< 1382456649 212119 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sexy esolanging action!
< 1382456670 286326 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just implement it. i think it might be boring, but i have to write it down and do some stuff in it first.
< 1382456690 928721 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just make the esolang page, and I'll make examples.
< 1382456703 744942 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just go! Run as fast as your little CPU can carry you!
< 1382456754 260101 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, 6ix is even more boring than a brainfuck derivative, impressive
< 1382456794 452634 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a language so abstrusely boring for the records. something like a sort of “Able Line” of Esolangs.
< 1382456821 119008 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I can't respond to this until you tell me if you've misplaced the '?'s." i like this guy
< 1382456874 577188 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: honestly i'm ok with sticking with http://esolangs.org/wiki/Most_ever_Brainfuckiest_Fuck_you_Brain_fucker_Fuck
< 1382456901 426031 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh. in that case, my wish is fullfilled.
< 1382456908 953650 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Bike
< 1382456913 105510 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Bike. Thike.
< 1382456917 651936 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks oklofok
< 1382456919 64820 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, oklofok. Thoklofok.
< 1382456970 533717 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? I
< 1382456972 826239 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love monoids
< 1382456980 948583 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? colour
< 1382456983 91949 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :14C12101103o1106lour is 10a 1202p04henomenon 0810fr07om13 ou0211t050803e11r 1313s1302p04ace 13de0503sign02e13d0511 t101010o140913 d1304ri08v02e 10h12um081206an04i02ty i07110214ns0709a0804ne an0614d 11bri0813ng f13or08th t02he n10ew05 0212age14 of Cth0211u1409l030610hu.
< 1382456983 941361 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually have two ideas for esolangs right now, which is a first, but it'll be a while before i can write them up adequately
< 1382456991 774090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: a first and second, surely
< 1382456998 625798 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just go! Run as fast as your little CPU can carry you!
< 1382457008 177565 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's the first time i've had two ideas!!
< 1382457012 423472 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry to quote myself, but I'm excited.
< 1382457017 564086 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you excited about
< 1382457027 629766 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new languages!
< 1382457037 414571 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, I'm in a slump for ideas.
< 1382457045 886386 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well neither of them can really run on proper CPUs so uh sorry
< 1382457058 124786 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? Why?
< 1382457079 173867 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about nooodl_'s idea, "inspiration"?
< 1382457090 189067 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one involves real numbers and the other would technically need a dedicated physics simulator i suppose
< 1382457104 741935 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's inspiration
< 1382457170 454078 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To quote nooodl_, "i have an esolang idea... inspiration..."
< 1382457224 482501 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make something that looks like a poem...
< 1382457250 133706 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RhymeScheme, or Verses?
< 1382457304 197696 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to go. I only got a few hours for lunch.
< 1382457319 321773 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to get the pages on esolangs.org, though!
< 1382457327 59295 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1382457341 278708 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know how to deal with enthusiasm
< 1382457362 187671 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382457395 632720 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i actually don't know how i should properly handle reading both code and input
< 1382457398 728029 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl
< 1382457435 639256 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :read a code file from a command line argument and input from stdin i guess
< 1382457555 389311 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!liek thse
< 1382457555 534909 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :liek thse
< 1382457671 758237 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:7c5a:1f39:cb5e:87fe JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382457972 10675 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1382458536 170877 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1382459188 690569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382459630 812081 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/WgkDbwNiGLAgVkQgWt1D/
< 1382459649 852706 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/6VJTQXq9diM71mx3IQ4N/ hello world
< 1382459668 791819 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/XqnBhVRiUArmBdZzNFT7/ a loop that prints the lowercase alphabet
< 1382459775 863175 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what this is capable of but writing anything in it is really annoying!
< 1382459797 539682 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382459857 58798 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh those should be code[y][x] in the command descriptions, of course
< 1382459955 795956 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Client Quit
< 1382460920 736822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems quite capable.
< 1382460962 996963 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-53.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382461001 473186 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-53.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1382461001 618652 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382461123 973635 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1382461124 826113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kind of thing one writes a brainfuck translation to.
< 1382461159 148091 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be an unbrainfuckable language.
< 1382461385 629011 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madbrain .
< 1382461515 69624 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloman.
< 1382461518 455866 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :long time no see!
< 1382461611 569094 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :long time no see you too
< 1382461621 681278 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even remember if i've ever seen you at all.
< 1382461664 381652 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. I managed to compile the language you were working on on my machine.
< 1382461676 909522 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1382461678 984085 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :burlesque?
< 1382461687 148898 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the one.
< 1382461749 167962 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
< 1382461760 329960 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires a bunchload of haskell packages :)
< 1382461798 146130 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I know, you vile dependenter!
< 1382461810 76737 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1382461816 841680 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of those are for statistics functions I think
< 1382461842 813772 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1382461844 186562 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(according to the Fizzian Graphs, we overlapped in Summer 2012 and February 2013)
< 1382461844 923279 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1382461858 672113 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haskeline mtl and digits
< 1382461863 691334 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and web-encodings
< 1382461874 704779 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :web-encodings were hairy to get online, iirc.
< 1382461879 277093 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1382461883 11010 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's now deprecated :)
< 1382461920 469460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: http://sprunge.us/iSXR there's an (untested) translation from brainfuck to that.
< 1382461936 947295 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are these fizzian graphs located?
< 1382461947 371242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: http://zem.fi/ircvis/esoteric/
< 1382461955 115177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which reminds me, should update them.)
< 1382462007 217417 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Fizzian Graph”... doesn't it sound like the title of a thriller?
< 1382462062 592734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphs: uptodated.
< 1382462144 443155 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :burlesque has gotten quite messy
< 1382462150 164778 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still too many features are missing
< 1382462152 682944 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1382462174 893766 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/ircvis/esoteric/fig/charfreq_z_20y.png mhm
< 1382462176 982292 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wd{{ri}f[}m[f:sp
< 1382462182 138822 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still too long for my taste
< 1382462198 161928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: 2005 was well-known as the year of the z.
< 1382462202 842194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (926)
< 1382462204 514632 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (926): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly
< 1382462228 794027 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :źź :: źź
< 1382462240 591078 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/ircvis/esoteric/people_presence.html who do i kill to get on this list
< 1382462250 475920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: You.
< 1382462262 737425 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1382462269 956753 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the newest version it's wd{:ri}m[f:sp
< 1382462274 708386 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does include uppercase "Z", and does it count multiples if there is multiple "z" in one message?
< 1382462276 547787 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: you need to get a quote homologated in the PDF.
< 1382462282 750470 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's much better
< 1382462298 299177 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks shachaf
< 1382462316 996359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is source-codes of this quotes PDF still available all the time?
< 1382462335 265116 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it is. private github repo :D
< 1382462346 339649 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there should probably be a terms graph for 'hth'
< 1382462360 715889 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382462365 315878 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: why is the repo private? (admittedly, i feel cool about being part of the cool club)
< 1382462372 184686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It does include uppercase "Z", and it does count multiples. (In other words, it's (total amount of Z's)/(total amount of characters).)
< 1382462374 353392 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's some kinda fucked up cave
< 1382462394 695637 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the Clubbe of Secret Wisdomme \LaTeX{})
< 1382462397 695017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: It wasn't really such a hot topic when the graphs were first made, but that's certainly true.
< 1382462401 330437 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: because I can.
< 1382462408 647714 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I couldn't convince many people to golf in it on golf.shinh.org :(
< 1382462423 279225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I like how I stopped sleeping sometime in 2009 for a bit
< 1382462427 428495 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :three or so golf
< 1382462458 120774 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: packaging the source for you.
< 1382462489 608696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Do you have raw links for source files so that someone knowing the URL can check for updates?
< 1382462519 684882 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: inorite
< 1382462535 509819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That way it is not necessary to do it manually)
< 1382462599 689536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's is really trippy
< 1382462610 777520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even I can manage that kind of slant
< 1382462624 559940 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, I'd say the github repo is your best source. it has update times and stuff and commits.
< 1382462656 927461 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/the-pdf.tar.bz2
< 1382462679 7437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have access to private github repo though
< 1382462717 843691 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'd very much like to add you, but you don't seem to exist. it's very Canadian of you, but pour les besoins de la cause, you'll have to materialise an account.
< 1382462769 750602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't have any nor intend to add some; GitHub always runs very slowly and sometimes crashes so I don't use it.
< 1382462775 159744 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1382462779 458482 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :tu parles francais?
< 1382462808 533700 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: il semblerait que je suis le francophone résident du channel. (d'ailleurs il faut que je convainque Roujo de revenir)
< 1382462848 172898 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen aussi parle français, y'a Taneb qui nie parler français, d'autres qui font des horreurs avec google translate plutôt cocasses (I'm looking at you oerjan).
< 1382462854 333340 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't spoken french in like 6 years
< 1382462861 269137 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I barely remembery anything.
< 1382462864 572882 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1382462871 360635 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you conjugate your verbs :D
< 1382462877 320488 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I studied it for 8 years
< 1382462884 888834 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 years for nothing
< 1382462969 876323 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :on doit conjuguer les verbes.
< 1382462982 513099 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you worry. French is a drug in which it is very easy to relapse.
< 1382462995 40471 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :je suis, tu es, il est, nous sommes, vous êtes, ils sont...
< 1382463006 561849 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1382463017 617930 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :conjugation isn't really the problem
< 1382463026 473381 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just learn the few regular ones
< 1382463030 265329 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn a few irregular ones
< 1382463038 975654 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and assume everything you don't know is in fact regular :)
< 1382463071 994757 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1382463078 144906 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should start learning vocabulary again
< 1382463093 767654 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but currently I have to learn spanish
< 1382463094 733106 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1382463102 619133 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :quelle domage!
< 1382463109 145278 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow.
< 1382463111 221161 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dommage
< 1382463113 745600 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«quel dommage».
< 1382463114 608624 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*quel
< 1382463115 429374 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :se
< 1382463117 300224 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dommage is masculin.
< 1382463117 445756 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*see
< 1382463142 197533 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :jái oublie
< 1382463149 760834 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my terminal fucks up unicode again
< 1382463161 752902 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck jái
< 1382463161 898100 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information
< 1382463178 858970 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :j'ai oublié?
< 1382463182 241979 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that oughta be correct
< 1382463185 266021 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is so.
< 1382463188 872942 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1382463203 771505 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :je suis rigolé
< 1382463215 50198 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :euh... attends un peu pour celle-là...
< 1382463227 99417 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«je suis en train de rire», peut-être?
< 1382463249 348512 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382463252 680936 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :je ne sais pas :(
< 1382463267 4257 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your original intended sentence?
< 1382463293 808739 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm laughing?
< 1382463306 893255 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I found that the most important thing to say when learning a language is “I forgot”. well, second most important after “One pint, please”)
< 1382463309 781414 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is je suis rigolé past?
< 1382463318 874602 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1382463322 191704 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's with avoir
< 1382463326 839918 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :j'ai ri.
< 1382463334 941195 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I forgot the distinction between parfait and imparfait
< 1382463343 478580 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means “I laughed”.
< 1382463346 48604 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the conjugation of imparfait anyway
< 1382463369 666760 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imparfait in French is a misnomer. it's used for just about anything except what should be true imparfait.
< 1382463370 608793 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :tengo que estudiar mucho.
< 1382463390 914222 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pienso que el español es más facíl que el frances.
< 1382463402 250817 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I remember it imparfait describes past conditions
< 1382463403 135241 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1382463408 800588 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, as you said, I forgot just about everything from Spanish.
< 1382463409 48218 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It was cold"
< 1382463413 372298 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and parfait describes action.
< 1382463417 328743 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Il faisait froid».
< 1382463421 489582 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oui
< 1382463430 836636 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Il faisait trés froid cette nuite!
< 1382463439 736259 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooh, un «nuite»!
< 1382463443 341043 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nuit
< 1382463445 760987 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's nuite?
< 1382463445 928707 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoken like a True Quebecker!
< 1382463470 696662 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mispronunciation dating to 17th Century French.
< 1382463476 362295 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuitte, frette, icitte, litte...
< 1382463489 658602 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(night, cold, here, bed)
< 1382463665 705764 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really say icitte?
< 1382463681 675873 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bizarre, monsiour
< 1382463686 15848 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :trés bizarre
< 1382463687 942978 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :monsieur
< 1382463706 53580 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ultimate goal is to speak 4 languages
< 1382463721 439302 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :German, French, Spanish, English
< 1382463732 257978 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Swiss German, as it is my native language :)
< 1382463771 920135 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see you've listed the language in order of increasing utility.
< 1382463775 102260 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :*languages
< 1382463789 649760 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1382463813 387630 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I said swiss german last
< 1382463817 394078 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's most useful.
< 1382463836 471170 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most useful
< 1382463854 81287 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :la choose le plus utile
< 1382463860 60665 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or however comparision were done again in french
< 1382463874 787113 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the germans were mutually intelligible.
< 1382463913 481746 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1382463920 170750 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that supposed to mean?
< 1382463931 749699 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :all germans understeand each other?
< 1382463936 788365 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even german
< 1382463938 579461 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that a german speaker from switzerland could understand one from germany.
< 1382463952 387382 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: definitely not.
< 1382463956 915448 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame
< 1382463962 413938 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they speak the standard german
< 1382463966 54684 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise no
< 1382463988 531484 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even all german speakers of switzerland don't understand each other
< 1382464007 102011 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some dialects are just too different
< 1382464034 940124 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some regions you just switch to the most common variation of swiss german to communicate
< 1382464061 379391 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/2013091200]
< 1382464068 8102 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to modernization and big cities those dialects intermix to new dialects
< 1382464073 107480 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are much closer together
< 1382464263 692354 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the ones that can't be understood by everyone are slowly mourir
< 1382464284 646305 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :descending into the state of not being spoken anymore
< 1382464378 848997 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1382464437 734104 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaarughghgh! sudden meetings!
< 1382464497 120903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you include my client address in the quotation of the quit message even though not included in the other messages? Would it be more clear just include the address once in the appendix or something like that?
< 1382464524 676532 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's how it was logged in the `quotes. I can change it for your convenience.
< 1382464553 984449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't intend you to change it only for my convenience; I was simply asking why it is logged like that in HackEgo.
< 1382464577 503755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem the best way to do it as far as I am concerned. If you disagree you can say so of course.
< 1382464579 51029 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if things are as they are, it's because they were so.
< 1382464590 362166 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382464594 336893 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, and I'm one lazy bum.
< 1382464602 699094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to find out what kind of things you can stream from, say, Netflix, without making an account?
< 1382464617 36062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know they've got some kind of a "first month is free" thing, but still.
< 1382465031 890697 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's people_presence chart kinda looks like it bifurcates in 2011
< 1382465051 460149 :_grotr!~Adium@134.29.63.138 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382465058 966477 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome _grotr
< 1382465062 35035 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :10_09grotr: Welcome to the i10n08ternational hub f09or esoteric 06pr10og07ramming language11 design a09nd dep04loym09en09t! For more information,02 10check14 out our w13ik08i: http:12//esolang14s.org/04wiki/Main_Page. (F09or the o06ther ki03nd o06f esoterica,10 try04 #esoteric o08n irc.da11l.net.)
< 1382465080 864869 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382465113 920837 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric : dommage is masculin.
< 1382465133 50681 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: oui? et? puis? que?
< 1382465135 365117 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know this :(
< 1382465181 171664 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :les genres et moi... ça ne marche pas
< 1382465230 445957 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :à moins d'être né dans un milieu francophone, c'est à peu près certain que le monde vont faire des erreurs de genre.
< 1382465302 469299 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anecdote: les gens de Montréal disent «le bus» (/lə.bʌs/), et à Québec c'est «la bus» (/la.bys/).
< 1382465445 954493 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouais, en néerlandais le genre est aussi un bon «shibboleth». les deux articles sont «de» et «het» mais les non-néerlandophones ont l'air de dire «de» partout
< 1382465529 14289 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. il faudrait que j'apprenne le néerlandais. le plus proche que j'ai été était la fois où on était en vacances en famille à Aruba.
< 1382465567 952738 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mais ça devra patienter. dans l'ordre, il faut que je me remette au japonais, que j'apprenne des bases de mandarin et de cantonnais, faire un détour par l'estonien, puis après ça on verra bin.
< 1382465703 677230 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :il paraît que c'est la galère, apprendre le néerlandais!
< 1382465789 18763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should add some wisdom files for other esolangs too.
< 1382465988 824940 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of: a map of genders for countries in russian http://i.imgur.com/rEHizAI.png
< 1382466041 159773 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the French version → http://i.imgur.com/PTZjh8V.jpg
< 1382466076 825535 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a lot of the ones that are plural in Russian are plural in English too?
< 1382466098 890743 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :United States, United Arab Emirates, the Philipines?
< 1382466101 140137 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how? it sounds interesting.
< 1382466129 501460 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think zzo38 means `learn befunge (blah blah blah)
< 1382466176 209649 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway: wow. what are all of these article-less countries
< 1382466176 408276 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... that'd deserve a split with its own chapter...
< 1382466184 994519 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :madagascar...
< 1382466188 66554 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuba.
< 1382466192 744892 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yemen?
< 1382466201 886165 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oman
< 1382466205 420037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I mean add `learn befunge and whatever other esolangs they have
< 1382466207 306966 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't say «La Cuba», just «Cuba».
< 1382466225 846790 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what languages are there already?
< 1382466230 647889 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :piet, ursala...
< 1382466235 393994 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382466235 669647 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brainfuck
< 1382466237 315521 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs.
< 1382466264 159748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Write an entry for Befunge, please.
< 1382466264 342342 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i prefer to get in...
< 1382466269 366682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungot
< 1382466269 613359 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but i'll wait 10 years and hopefully be able to contact you fnord from the for loop
< 1382466271 440159 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot cannot be stopped by that sword alone.
< 1382466278 851497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're *already* in.
< 1382466279 1228 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm just a beginner :) :) :) :)
< 1382466294 864479 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? chess
< 1382466296 781946 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess is a complex boardgame, where players exchange unclear royal steaks until they decide which of them has lost. The game is recorded through the Gringmuth Moving Pineapple Notation.
< 1382466302 678901 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ that one was fun. :D
< 1382466334 219479 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? go
< 1382466336 426009 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go is a common verbal game programming language invented by the Germanic Taneb tribes in the strategic territories of East Asia.
< 1382466372 551600 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382466496 98669 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how many points are said territories worth?!
< 1382466587 185800 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck Taneb's worth
< 1382466587 336405 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information
< 1382466829 510335 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how many points are you worth? how tall is imhotep? what is the capital of Canada?
< 1382466881 252608 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17, 6 foot 8, Yellowknife
< 1382466910 949722 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1382466931 730537 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be the most creative answer I have seen about Canada's capital...
< 1382466977 717626 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you think is the capital of Canada?
< 1382466977 914169 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: you can kill yourself easily :) the two rules are pretty simple themselves
< 1382466988 253704 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1382466996 361232 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fungot thought I was asking about Go instead
< 1382466996 544430 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: hmmmm. when i did it
< 1382467002 577079 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "Yellowknife is the capital and largest city of [...] Canada."
< 1382467016 884835 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I knew that before
< 1382467017 409429 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you have other stuff in the `? too, not only esolangs you could make up a lot of stuff including Imakuni?'s pokemon cards (which makes your own active pokemon card confused), and the Dungeons&Dragons
< 1382467059 301619 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think I've asked you before, but I don't remember the answer, so: have you played Pokémon Card GB2?
< 1382467078 677348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes I have done
< 1382467081 235630 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that “[...]” seems very evil. its aura emanates silenced and tortured paragraphs...
< 1382467134 348019 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, okay. I wish they'd do a sequel of it for the 3DS
< 1382467143 309388 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: thousands of informations of canada crying out in terror
< 1382467174 504045 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to like the old rules though; I think the new rules and cards damage the positional nature of the game. However, a thing I would like to see is Limited format play.
< 1382467252 92172 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.........
< 1382467369 383064 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my keyboard needs a bath :/
< 1382467372 216568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Did you make up any other Pokemon card puzzle?
< 1382467382 649294 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nope :(
< 1382467414 160080 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to see, though. Have you seen my puzzle.5?
< 1382467450 360650 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I agree about preferring older rules. I stopped playing the TCG around when the EX sets were first released
< 1382467459 960504 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have
< 1382467481 231694 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: where do I find puzzle.5?
< 1382467488 433258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at it now if you want see if you understand it. http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/pokemon_card/puzzle.5
< 1382467559 167725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wrote terminology.txt in the same directory
< 1382467604 650314 :_grotr!~Adium@134.29.63.138 PART :#esoteric
< 1382467678 931102 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also mentioned different tie breaking rules which I prefer rather than the ordinary ones.
< 1382467809 342236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I think your puzzle is economical. Mine tend not to be.
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< 1382467876 974804 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even remember my puzzle, haha
< 1382467888 802648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yours is puzzle.4 if you want to review it)
< 1382467906 494043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you figure out puzzle.5 yet?
< 1382468029 954634 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really check it out yet, let me see
< 1382468066 28144 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you bathe?
< 1382468066 367209 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i think i'm forgetting my japanese". fucking read what i've said about fnord i plan to ( fnord fnord) ( gcc version 3.3.3 ( suse linux)) 1
< 1382468152 649097 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking read what i've said about fnord
< 1382468165 537736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You don't have to be so aggressive, dude.
< 1382468165 800457 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i don't think that is an issue with my example code. the more projects try to emulate it or something like that
< 1382468271 674158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this game?
< 1382468302 126878 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hm, resistance against fighting
< 1382468322 263522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I put that in there on purpose.
< 1382468359 378520 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-236.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382468363 87443 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the straightforward approach with using kabutops' first move on gengar is a no-go
< 1382468371 460008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also notice most of your own cards have the wrong energy; that is also on purpose.)
< 1382468388 561378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Correct; it doesn't work. Try again.
< 1382468505 180201 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1382468772 90075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you check all of the cards in hand?
< 1382468787 898837 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1382468806 149604 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Empty draw pile means I have to win this turn (or somehow put cards back in the draw pile), right?
< 1382468808 369310 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the halting problem is solvable for FSMs and LBAs right?
< 1382468818 593716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes.
< 1382468848 880343 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clean doesn't seem to have a REPL
< 1382468906 287772 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm
< 1382468943 679148 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the halting problem is solvable for flying spaghetti monsters and logical block addressing???
< 1382469007 488101 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1382469019 318037 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: who or what do you believe in?
< 1382469019 472684 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: are you saying that there's something odd about the irc protocol
< 1382469026 429483 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes I am.
< 1382469026 787349 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: stop apologizing. that's just m- and m-, and yes.
< 1382469036 54676 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think I'm too tired for this :P but I think it isn't possible to solve this turn, so you'd have to grab the maintenance and put two cards in the draw pile
< 1382469052 119211 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose order somehow is unimportant
< 1382469077 211909 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily!
< 1382469080 601539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Do you want some other kind of hint?
< 1382469085 604724 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was no package for me at andover
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< 1382469563 141986 :muskrat_!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-188.psoas.suomi.net NICK :muskrat
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< 1382469919 226491 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia!
< 1382469921 790690 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :(
< 1382469952 133532 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have the box.
< 1382470073 957474 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382470345 320566 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-188.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1382470428 916344 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then just send it to my home
< 1382470448 396701 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1382470449 29890 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't get there for 2 more weeks, but then, you aren't going to send it by then either!
< 1382470472 580998 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is ashamed
< 1382470524 957622 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have your thank you postcard already...
< 1382470566 280667 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is guilty, and has pictures of an anime character receiving words through his heart
< 1382470567 384036 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow.
< 1382470611 119653 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: tonight. I'm printing your address and having it delivered.
< 1382470660 6009 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shall I andover it now, or should I forward it to your home?
< 1382470677 884699 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am no longer in me
< 1382470683 715339 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1382470719 125315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382470736 884919 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: welp. I screwed up, and now quintopia is angry!
< 1382470750 514904 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :angry?
< 1382470754 642604 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANGRY????
< 1382470768 76043 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY WOULD I BE ANGRY???????!!!??!!???
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< 1382471090 876711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot: what has knäckebröd got to do with my computer problems? <-- let's just say eating knekkebrød close to a computer keyboard may not be optimal.
< 1382471091 146509 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 2) session timeouts? :p ( heh, guess so. it's nothing like the fnord
< 1382471102 993408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: OKAY
< 1382471121 922668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might get around to that part eventually, the logs are big today.
< 1382471147 415695 :Molotok!~chatzilla@95-28-201-254.broadband.corbina.ru PART :#esoteric
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< 1382472026 596493 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the halting problem is solvable for LBAs, right?
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< 1382472037 837222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : so i take it functions aren't values <-- that _does_ sound dysfunctional.
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< 1382472053 817727 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, yeah
< 1382472069 274774 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of states they have is proportional to some function of the length of the program
< 1382472080 344711 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it occurs to me that something like "Super BILF" could actually have been implemented
< 1382472102 512680 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it had three outputs: 1) halts 2) loops 3) overflows memory
< 1382472114 383833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes. the space hierarchy theorem of complexity is basically proved by showing you can solve the halting problem for a machine with a bound on the space with a machine with a _slightly_ higher bound, proving that they are all distinct classes.
< 1382472165 929000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so linear can be solved by O(x^1.2), e.g. (or something like that, i don't quite recall how small the steps are.)
< 1382472186 651693 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and the proof looks like "simulate the machine and track its memory history, halt if it halts or repeats a state from its history"?
< 1382472224 317389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that. basically just modify the usual halting theorem proof, i think.
< 1382472242 66937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm wait
< 1382472244 981561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, yes.
< 1382472326 166124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual halting problem proof is modified to prove the classes are distinct. i assume, it's been a while since i read this stuff.
< 1382472362 584088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not sure i literally read that proof, but this stuff is afaik "obvious if you know the principle".
< 1382472913 464670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : who remembers FURscript. who remembers Snack. <-- who could _forget_ snack.
< 1382472945 498366 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me...
< 1382472955 601433 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 How's Underlambda going?
< 1382472955 746618 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382472976 99083 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1382472986 339535 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover Remind me to send you the fortress
< 1382472986 484790 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382473054 351698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* boily runs far, far away “I AM SANE! I AM SAAAAAAAANE!”
< 1382473057 667837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mad
< 1382473059 801535 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."
< 1382473090 223538 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I've got commit access to the dreaded PDF
< 1382473102 564127 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: indeed.
< 1382473104 375415 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I could think of anything evil to do, I'd do it
< 1382473121 14673 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe put nefarious referrals in it
< 1382473137 574771 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nefarious? what kind of nefarious?
< 1382473150 288201 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Devilish
< 1382473191 494303 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try me :p
< 1382473226 601863 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1382473458 690456 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 How's Feather going?
< 1382473458 874328 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382473476 714025 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, Feather is already completed
< 1382473494 564027 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it retroactively complete itself?
< 1382473510 856591 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was the first ever programming language, first implemented in 1821
< 1382473533 702052 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did it retroactivate itself into 1821 instead of now?
< 1382473560 632677 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ais523 thought it'd be funny
< 1382473835 462042 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe
< 1382473896 689445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"p must be an inetger less than n"
< 1382474040 358251 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's define a point P, and call it Q.
< 1382474370 847914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what it is about radio, but there's something that makes it fancy. (Been listening to websdr again.)
< 1382474460 885931 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: dook dook dook dook dook dook dook dook dook dook...
< 1382474465 377945 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1382474873 351047 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1382475027 233053 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, tomorrow I'll see people like Neil Mitchell and Phil Wadler
< 1382475262 55125 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :original gangstas
< 1382475420 878202 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i saw your brainfuck-that thing translation. looked pretty neat!
< 1382475426 112223 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :
< 1382475433 950211 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Users of the Paperclip gem are encouraged to upgrade to the latest version of Cocaine." https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ruby-security-ann/3XTGFbAJoTg
< 1382475470 975192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of a folder I had back in my windows days "Alcohol 120% With Crack"
< 1382475700 687053 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh, I remember that program back when I was a terrible pirate in high school I guess xD
< 1382475729 180491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarr
< 1382475729 460347 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye Aye Cap'n
< 1382475754 987475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: @yarr and @arr are two different commands with a different collection of replies
< 1382475761 474602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact 0 = 1
< 1382475793 977581 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact n = n * fact (n - 1)
< 1382475801 571799 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are lots of fun facts
< 1382475909 307662 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@arr
< 1382475909 453093 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeh scurvy dog...
< 1382475924 108059 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yard!
< 1382475924 270732 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll crush ye barnacles!
< 1382476293 838234 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.203 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1382476543 371054 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382476739 901249 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1382476819 466565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Linux have a syscall for bulk stat() of many files, I wonder
< 1382476931 907066 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1382477110 776788 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be worthwhile?
< 1382477190 295036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some programs (like git) do thousands of stats in a row, and the results should mostly be cached in the kernel
< 1382477202 659089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the system call overhead might be significant
< 1382477205 99424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know really
< 1382477221 250152 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382477872 193629 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(int i = 0; i < 100000000; i++) syscall(__NR_getpid); takes 9s on my system (11 million syscalls/s?)
< 1382477897 434356 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh, that's fast
< 1382477908 338135 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :with fstat(0, &st) instead it takes 15s
< 1382478149 992067 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :stat("foo", &st) on a (constant) filename in the working directory took 37s
< 1382478152 210737 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a longer path with a couple of directory components, 70s
< 1382478318 99958 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so file name lookup is slower than system calls? (fstat might be special though - file descriptors could have a direct pointer to their stat data for example)
< 1382478369 54764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tarr
< 1382478369 203756 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: yarr arr
< 1382478380 319334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles madly
< 1382478402 915264 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382478418 398537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1382478444 891122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know about Elias-Fano encoding
< 1382478449 183421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1382478456 455606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :food ->
< 1382478496 830425 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't file name lookup a system call? so like, it's a system call + some other things
< 1382478570 432823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ~100 ns for a syscall is about in line with what I've heard, yeah
< 1382478574 894763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYSCALL instruction is pretty damn fast
< 1382478611 874672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo SYSENTER
< 1382478618 14012 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: no, system calls usually take paths... and besides actually opening a file (which requires read access at least), there's no "resolved file name object" thingy
< 1382478628 386351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: have you seen http://semipublic.comp-arch.net/wiki/SYSENTER/SYSEXIT_vs._SYSCALL/SYSRET
< 1382478658 888618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner's for loop test takes 3.716s real time (0.452s user, 3.256s sys) here.
< 1382478663 179297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so.
< 1382478677 886591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a "resolved file name object" would just be a file descriptor/description yeah?
< 1382478698 15279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there tend to be calls for those to e.g. fstat(), fchdir()
< 1382478704 29352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdirat()
< 1382478708 733937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mk_dire_rat()
< 1382478725 120321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, readdir() or similar doesn't give you a file descriptor.
< 1382478770 407751 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so like, looking up a file name doesn't go to the kernel?
< 1382478804 486764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking up a file name in what?
< 1382478820 286220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Names are not looked up separately, is I think the point here.
< 1382478840 494191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except for the aforementioned file-descriptor-taking syscalls.)
< 1382478871 783827 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh
< 1382478961 293128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you could systemtap-or-something out how much of the time spent inside a single syscall is taken by name-lookup-related operations, but it's still happening inside the call.
< 1382479015 799177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The syscall underlying readdir (getdents) is, incidentally, a bit more bulk-style interface, since it takes a struct linux_dirent * and a count, and returns multiple entries at one go.)
< 1382479170 358923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the dirent structure includes a type field for the block device/character device/directory/fifo/socket/symlink/file distinction, which I suppose could have been put there to cut down the number of stat calls necessary.)
< 1382479922 889116 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1382479948 337309 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why are syscalls 3x faster for you?
< 1382479959 370829 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fwiw I have a http://ark.intel.com/products/33923/)
< 1382480032 396229 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe somethingwith like, XSAVE and XSAVEOPT?
< 1382480348 713902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I have no idea. (And a http://ark.intel.com/products/75047/)
< 1382480467 556235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd test on the workstation at work too, but it's got 400 CPU% of MATLAB whirring, and I'm afraid that'd skew the result somehow.
< 1382480470 628982 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XSAVEOPT is only on sany bridge and ltaer I think? maybe that has something to do with it
< 1382480490 795176 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sandy bridge and later
< 1382480551 776970 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, a thing that only saves the parts of the processor state that have been used?
< 1382480555 291688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zany Bridge, Intel's rehash for clowns.
< 1382480566 404726 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1382480609 791265 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's nice and newer, maybe they optimalized something
< 1382480840 880511 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :current matlab joke: mat=ones(s1,s2); [~,j] = find(mat==1); for i=i:length(j): ...code that doesn't touch j but assigns to mat(:, i) every iteration... end
< 1382480965 198906 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik, linux does the lazy saving and restoring of floating point registers so I think it shouldn't be a big part of the syscall overhead
< 1382480994 697059 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it might've changed recently (there was some discussion about dumping it, since it causes an extra interrupt when you do need to save/restore them)
< 1382481000 392912 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that work for like, SSE/AVX registers though?
< 1382481009 797142 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there's a way for the OS to know whether they've been changed
< 1382481044 426933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they count as touching floating point
< 1382481066 237747 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it branches twice every iteration to check how far in the iteration it is because of course it does
< 1382481068 802818 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I mean is there a way for the kernel to know if an SSE register was changed by user code...?
< 1382481074 721180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That ones-and-find-==1 idiom is kind of strange.
< 1382481074 897182 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :when switching process you set a flag that disallows usage of fpu/sse/avx/etc registers, then when the new process tries to use them you get an interrupt
< 1382481081 365841 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1382481109 690521 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah so's the part where it writes m×n columns of an n column matrix.
< 1382481121 772817 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is matlab just suppressing all those bad accesses
< 1382481125 890800 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lwn.net/Articles/391972/ is this related?
< 1382481133 386657 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, like, i'm not cool enough to know about them.
< 1382481164 576234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It should complain. I guess there mst be Circumstances.
< 1382481187 653419 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i replaced it with for i=i:s2 and i don't see any difference.
< 1382481190 527712 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :damned thing
< 1382481214 626456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can extend a matrix silently.
< 1382481224 197449 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not extending though, it's just ugh
< 1382481227 352445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> x = [1 2 3]
< 1382481227 497753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :x =
< 1382481227 497937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3
< 1382481227 498043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> x(5)=2
< 1382481227 498146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :x =
< 1382481229 856054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 0 2
< 1382481269 183925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a very slow thing to not preallocate, though.)
< 1382481288 962913 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm gonna be fixing up some preallocations later. apparently this isn't extending it though.
< 1382481352 285338 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is... mysterious, since it sure looks like it ought to be doing so.
< 1382481373 966819 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no, i see. it works because of the branching.
< 1382481402 844764 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, it does m×n iterations, but past n it so happens that there's never an assignment to mat(:, i).
< 1382481413 295059 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess it can just spin that whole time. cool
< 1382481607 239893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily anecdote: les gens de Montréal disent «le bus» (/lə.bʌs/), et à Québec c'est «la bus» (/la.bys/). <-- did you know trondheim is the only [citation needed] city in norway where the word "bil" (en:car) is feminine.
< 1382481607 403475 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382482004 245015 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it gets a bit interesting on multiprocessor machines though - you could find cpu0 trying to resume a thread whose fpu state is on cpu1 (and was never saved to memory)
< 1382482012 509633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily also it's _only_ in the city, not the rest of the region.
< 1382482012 655077 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382482218 193420 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382482590 836476 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: huh, how does that work?
< 1382482621 931432 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean how to work around it, or how the situation happens?
< 1382482693 301219 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, how they work around it?
< 1382482706 660390 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the fpu states were saved in memory with xsave or something (?)
< 1382482818 321579 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that linux originally just disabled the lazy fpu state thing for SMP, now they might send an interrupt to the processor it needs fpu state from
< 1382483314 834893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : my keyboard needs a bath :/ <-- http://www.mezzacotta.net/postcard/?comic=1721
< 1382483352 325774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no there's not supposed to be a picture.)
< 1382483394 569122 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the page broken or is there's really not supposed to be a picture?
< 1382483444 20483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION taps his fingers
< 1382483468 349603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's really not supposed to be a picture.
< 1382483621 231308 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/postcard/about.php now I'm sad
< 1382483650 92880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i recommend reloading.
< 1382483692 476963 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm confused
< 1382483698 755093 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused and somewhat upset by this page
< 1382483716 315325 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.203.221 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382483749 844030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused that you're confused about it; it's not like the "comic" has not been discussed here previously.
< 1382483762 946273 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen it before
< 1382483814 89041 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never seen it before either.
< 1382483841 1124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't I even do some plots about a weird random number generation details for the about page, or something?
< 1382483844 689844 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1382483882 260831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm quite possible. i'm sure we tried to discover all the variations.
< 1382483907 1880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I asked on the forums, and got some sort of a response.
< 1382483912 367787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was time-related, I think.
< 1382483921 870094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And perhaps a non-uniform distribution.
< 1382483934 697822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes you did.
< 1382483952 813651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My sprunge pastes about it have died, though.)
< 1382483964 594383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how rude.
< 1382483967 537210 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it was completely coincidental then that the first thing I got on the about page was "On behalf of [list of companies] all images on this website has been taken down" then
< 1382483973 235438 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/then$//
< 1382483980 437286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ $//
< 1382483982 774136 :zzo38!~zzo38@173.180.203.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone figure out the puzzle.5 yet? I asked earler but have to leave so now I am elsewlere so could not answer completely
< 1382483983 909985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1382483986 960654 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/shachaf//
< 1382483990 792235 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i got the same one, excitingly enough.
< 1382483991 677219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric
< 1382484005 826534 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.*/shachaf/
< 1382484055 838124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that one is itself inspired by http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/1526.html
< 1382484077 710813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you might note the date on that.)
< 1382484085 874910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put a 10 second interval in my getter script, and got an almost repeating sequence out of the 11 different variants, because the randomness was based on the second-resolution timestamp, is I think what happened.
< 1382484097 957768 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1382484186 861000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/mezza.png -- frequencies of the 11 different variant.
< 1382484237 671707 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now... enhance
< 1382484251 82259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/mezzoseq.png -- and that's the sequence of variants.
< 1382484266 582082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Permuted appropriately.)
< 1382484378 455278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I caught up in the log. The selection "algorithm" turned out to be "time()%11", and the hypothesis for uneven distribution was that... actually, never mind, it's not all that interesting.
< 1382484404 363872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point, however, was that everyone should've noticed this was going on, because it was spread out over several days.
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< 1382484435 700681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know the h ypothesis.
< 1382484536 565421 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382484636 46901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had my sampling done with a "while true; do fetch; sleep 10; done" loop, and some variants of the page were larger than others so therefore had higher likelihood of causing a longer-than-appropriate delay (and consequently a discontinuity in the otherwise ordered sequence of variants received), which skewed the distribution.
< 1382484818 700282 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the haps etcl
< 1382484824 23232 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*etc,
< 1382484826 136918 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*etc.
< 1382484837 641801 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? haps
< 1382484839 436496 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :haps? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1382484882 560786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb remind me to remind you to remind you to give me the fortress when i'm online
< 1382484885 499973 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382484886 468484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn hops
< 1382484887 493814 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "hops" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1382484889 514704 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :hops
< 1382484891 504345 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: twining perennials having cordate leaves and flowers
< 1382484893 499550 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : arranged in conelike spikes; the dried flowers of this
< 1382484895 502156 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : plant are used in brewing to add the characteristic bitter
< 1382484897 516325 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : taste to beer [syn: {hop}, {hops}]
< 1382484904 196257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are the hops.
< 1382484909 236427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, haps. Sorry.
< 1382485017 849950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hips
< 1382485019 909430 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hips? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1382485053 45102 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382485054 273254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? NIPS
< 1382485056 209050 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :NIPS? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1382485061 637069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a conference.)
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< 1382487555 214728 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$define!
< 1382487587 223149 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of like the idea of having both and? and $and?
< 1382487869 330775 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
< 1382487873 507356 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382487969 393221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter short-circuits and the former does not?
< 1382487997 2092 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1382488003 592282 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were the Kernel person here
< 1382488025 706627 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, that came out kind of mean, sorry
< 1382488095 614130 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a strong similarity between eval in Kernel and uplevel in Tcl
< 1382488128 7397 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uplevel in Tcl lets you eval in the immediately 'above' scope, which I gather eval'ing using the passed-in environment in an operative also does?
< 1382488626 545732 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's fine
< 1382488630 497267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know that much about kernel though
< 1382488631 882458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never used it
< 1382488634 809818 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just read some of the papers
< 1382488708 769065 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't pass around the uplevel 1 in Tcl though, and uplevel is too powerful, it lets you go up more than one scope
< 1382488834 767653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think CPython also lets you do that
< 1382488845 408119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :updog: what's uplevel
< 1382488845 553249 :updog!~updog@192.210.145.119 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's updog?
< 1382488904 175246 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thus, not specifying the order of argument evaluation is key to the expressiveness
< 1382488904 320696 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the language. "
< 1382488905 427737 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1382489073 709034 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:dc32:3e52:3ebd:e1a JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382489188 599562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is confusing
< 1382489858 766718 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382489859 482860 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :". Moreover, by the same reasoning, this additional information can be shared with the user of the Kernel system, as long as it remains unavailable to the program."
< 1382489864 308003 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this, the anti-Smalltalk?
< 1382490476 979635 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1382490713 47491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned about http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/rtld-audit.7.html today
< 1382490714 830991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems p. fun
< 1382490787 572314 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets you hook almost everything the dynamic linker does, and therefore hook any dynamically linked functions too
< 1382490792 786426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can use it for a souped up ltrace (http://people.redhat.com/jolsa/latrace/index.shtml)
< 1382490901 901046 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY
< 1382490907 263663 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wrap $vau)
< 1382490932 940605 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... this completely solves the problem I had with Kernel not being Tcl-like enough for my tastes.
< 1382490946 93625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1382490958 507873 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just... wrapping the operative. Means I can make the operative see what I want it to see
< 1382490988 315577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you also just... use eval
< 1382491024 634732 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but that seems like it would be ... ugly somehow.
< 1382491143 264198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you hide the eval inside the body of a vau
< 1382491144 331430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug
< 1382491175 639722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :users of the paperclip gem are encouraged to upgrade to the latest version of cocaine
< 1382491901 427969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382492166 309679 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is almost possible to simulate the behavior of type applicative using only operatives,
< 1382492166 455234 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus bypassing wrap and unwrap altogether"
< 1382492172 922258 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(almost is italicised)
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< 1382492194 542075 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely remember mocking Kernel for the distinction once
< 1382492197 744837 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382492215 866557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote about that
< 1382492217 697618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my blog post
< 1382492256 730238 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should read that post more thoroughly
< 1382492269 543052 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But reading Kernel spec currently
< 1382493347 379864 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If lists is empty, or if all of its elements are not lists of the
< 1382493347 525343 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :same length, an error is signaled."
< 1382493369 696836 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an argument for allowing "useless" cases... makes things easier on code-writing code
< 1382493510 745797 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1382493511 886381 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" but then,
< 1382493512 76426 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if no list arguments are provided, there is no way to choose a result length that will be
< 1382493512 221938 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :compatible with all nontrivial cases: the result length would have to be simultaneously
< 1382493512 222142 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :equal to every nonnegative integer, and to positive infinity as well. "
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< 1382495846 740038 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Kernel, macro-like things generally have two environments in play, although I guess they can be given more
< 1382495877 699648 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With syntax-case used procedurally, there are potentially a lot of environments in play, if the input to syntax-case has been built up from different sources
< 1382495887 542254 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With syntax-rules, how many environments are in play? Just 2?
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< 1382496151 322326 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks
< 1382496165 665426 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Kernel using list the same way it's often used in Tcl?
< 1382496601 94585 :ION!ion@heh.fi NICK :ion
< 1382497322 297744 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel addresses a problem I had with Picolisp. Not sure if I prefer the way Kernel addresses it, but it does address it
< 1382497359 848784 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely: Whether functions that take symbols should evaluate their arguments (thus requiring the symbols to be quoted) or not
< 1382497373 25297 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Picolisp sometimes has functions for both cases
< 1382497382 958128 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel is against the idea of encouraging programmers to quote symbols
< 1382498248 478947 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1382499100 404129 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make-keyed-dynamic-variable binder thing uses a fresh dynamic environment
< 1382499100 818711 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
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< 1382499885 28034 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu NICK :Bike
< 1382500001 294583 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uplevel in Tcl lets you eval in the immediately 'above' scope, which I gather eval'ing using the passed-in environment in an operative also does? <-- yeah, in some of my little kernel code i defined stuff in the calling environment to make a defclassy thing
< 1382500098 601657 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: and re argument evaluation iirc that's because it lets you do amb sorta crap
< 1382500104 820808 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also good for optimization occasionally
< 1382500141 531679 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there actually implementations of Kernel?
< 1382500156 284281 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least a dozen
< 1382500162 998114 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1382500166 115028 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean they're mostly crap, but writing a lisp is damn easy
< 1382500187 996140 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for anti-smalltalk, yeah, i think the author's attitude there is kind of silly
< 1382500197 839450 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bla bla weird language bla pointless bike crap
< 1382500317 778183 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if I could make a Racket language where the already existing Racket macros become first-class
< 1382500348 76618 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, (wrap $vau) as you mentioned is nice, but you have to do (eval (cons (wrap $vau) ...) env) to make a closure in env which is imo kind of idiotic
< 1382500463 330394 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have yet to give anywhere near sufficient thought to comparing Kernel with Rebol
< 1382500541 693585 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds boring. now if you'll excuse me i need to read "Achilles and the tortoise climbing up the hyperarithmetical hierarchy"
< 1382500642 994507 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382500992 735900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :achilles and the tortoise rob a liquor store
< 1382501163 97798 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some ideas on a ... not quite Kernel-like, but Kernel-inspired Racket language.
< 1382501182 978445 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like a CSI episode inspired by the headlines
< 1382501224 560864 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than interpreting some Kernel-like language, I can redefine references to macros to output some kind of wrapped reference to the function behind the macro, and redefine function application to check for this
< 1382501267 714488 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes
< 1382502449 869340 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shadow-file.blogspot.com/2013/10/complete-persistent-compromise-of.html haha jesus
< 1382502910 357221 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, any responsible disclosure?
< 1382502917 537550 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was Netgear ever contacted?
< 1382502925 23777 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, not sure what they really could do to fix it
< 1382502934 958013 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, can't force everyone to update firmware, can you?
< 1382502940 645051 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"never make such a ridiculous system again"
< 1382502955 670875 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382503069 739758 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382503374 353807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rust's grammar is defined over Unicode codepoints, each conventionally denoted U+XXXX, for 4 or more hexadecimal digits X" i like that they leave open the possibility of using astral plane characters in the language syntax
< 1382503394 742935 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixQE496Pcn8
< 1382503468 189855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: why wouldn't they
< 1382504050 15667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1382504166 509402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh when you say you like it you mean that you like it?
< 1382504172 690952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange idiom
< 1382504249 413333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yes"
< 1382504327 886711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help the quotes are too much for me
< 1382504361 795816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :````````````````````````````````
< 1382504363 471910 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ```````````````````````````````: not found
< 1382504383 271224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :B|
< 1382504521 427309 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1382504565 438311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´
< 1382504588 648406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is that 32 by accident or due to repeated doubling
< 1382504621 423182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's due to a mild compulsion to do repetitive actions a power of two times
< 1382504675 718972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you generate it via repeated ^W ^Y ^Y
< 1382504749 116734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1382504753 81946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know you can make irssi use lots of memory by doing that enough times
< 1382504757 955989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspected as much
< 1382504795 387678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :112112311211234112112311211234511211231121123411211231121123456112112311211234112112311211234511211231121123411211231121123456
< 1382504850 910886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm: 12311211234112112311211234511211231121123411211231121123456112112311211234112112311211234511211231121123411211231121123456
< 1382504878 308966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oopse" i forgot that 7 > 3
< 1382504880 878968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :01101001100101101001011001101001
< 1382504912 947905 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f '0' = "01"; f '1' = "10" in fix $ (f =<<) . ('0':)
< 1382504914 67662 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "01011001101001011010011001011001101001100101101001011001101001011010011001...
< 1382504973 94196 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOA, DUDE, you can make Irssi use lots of memory by adding lots of characters to the input bar? No way.
< 1382504987 727195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so the Thue-Morse sequence is the fixed point of the Manchester code?
< 1382505011 897369 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i too enjoy restating facts i have just learned in a sarcastic fashion
< 1382505236 995781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did you know that there are heterotrophic plants which parasitize mushrooms
< 1382505239 993911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotropa_uniflora
< 1382505244 868970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's white, doesn't produce chlorophyll
< 1382505273 321454 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i did, they rule
< 1382505293 138982 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, not literally, since they're just parasites and don't control the shrooms or anything, but,
< 1382505320 382749 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bio class put a lot of emphasis on mycorrhiza. nice to know that whole "hey we found this is kind of essential" has filtered down to me
< 1382505428 519312 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1382505552 753393 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess arbuscular mycorrhiza isn't as exciting though.
< 1382506281 864728 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In vau3, some careful thinking will be
< 1382506282 102732 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : needed to make sure that operatives can't be returned from an applicative."
< 1382506282 787040 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1382506312 46522 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1382506322 120556 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/tonyg/js-vau/blob/master/TODO
< 1382506394 949778 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: just checking here it's not just me that thinks using applicatives as security is kind of stupid
< 1382506399 169611 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1382506431 980569 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more disturbed by the thought of ceasing to treat operatives as first-class when that's the primary interesting thing
< 1382506455 970819 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what is meant by using applicatives for capabilities, so can't comment on that aspect.
< 1382506468 382128 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well is that really supposed to be read as, make sure a compound operative will never return an applicative?
< 1382506478 103860 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i mean, if so, i'd just disregard that whole implementation cos they don't know shit
< 1382506546 549564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfffft who needs js-vau just compile guile with emscripten and then run qoppa in it
< 1382506559 507616 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tonyg has some interesting other work
< 1382506562 919684 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not related to Kernel
< 1382506578 511253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard that being outside in the sun is sinful, but i'm just going to disregard that sin cos tan
< 1382506588 539237 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc's got a point here,
< 1382506598 146124 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf's got a good point here
< 1382506604 638659 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :,
< 1382506606 487099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy has the best point here
< 1382506614 406738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnȯqy
< 1382506654 939937 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ṡḣȧċḣȧḟ
< 1382506657 681022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ő_ő
< 1382506681 591856 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i need a photo of erdős, wide-eyed
< 1382506685 106343 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ṁṅȯq̇ẏ
< 1382506702 873212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :m̈n̈öq̈ÿ
< 1382506719 173326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocoa-coated co-cones
< 1382506749 610059 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are conic sections co-cones?
< 1382506758 1557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :m̈̇n̈̇ö̇q̈̇ÿ̇
< 1382506771 323146 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¥
< 1382506805 600090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that is not serious question correct
< 1382506832 371646 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocone is a wird word. i think i prefer "cone from" and "cone to" or whatever they were.
< 1382506847 106268 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's serious in that i'm kind of wondering what a co-cone would be, not serious in that i don't actually think conic sections would be the answer
< 1382506848 518709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cones are weird "does such a simple thing even deserve a word"
< 1382506871 652582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mushroomobserver.org/image/show_image/378480?obs=149510&q=1ZqL1
< 1382506886 491500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: a cocone is just a natural transformation to a constant functor hth
< 1382506897 548849 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck does that have to do with cones
< 1382506907 744185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cone is just a natural transformation from a constant functor
< 1382506917 394408 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting to think i only learn math out of sheer spite for category theory
< 1382506919 68240 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a cone if you draw a picture and squint at it hard enough
< 1382506941 438728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what mnoqy said is the real answer
< 1382506945 961862 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :be sure to draw the picture in such a way that it looks like a cone
< 1382506956 471665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you draw a dot and then you draw a bunch of arrows from that dot to a bunch of other dots
< 1382506965 989588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all of category theory
< 1382506970 851969 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes the other dots even have arrows between them!
< 1382506973 977487 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrows? or spite?
< 1382506979 80146 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rnnoqy
< 1382506987 770268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: defining things via universal properties is p. neat do you know how that works
< 1382506996 182068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a professor told me that computer science is the study of boxes and arrows so I guess it's not surprising that category theory is useful in CS
< 1382507012 270978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the categorical definition of p. much anything such as a product
< 1382507013 742519 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs boxes when you have even more arrows
< 1382507023 196891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy is insightful today
< 1382507062 610202 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :draw a box out of arrows. experience the joy
< 1382507066 655036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now define ∞ categories using only arrows
< 1382507086 255084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever those end up being i don't even know :'(
< 1382507114 188134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is pointless topology where you make boxes out of arrows
< 1382507135 671326 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, great, thanks for reminding me i was going to read analysis situs -_-
< 1382507155 478427 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the intro going on about all the errors and how he thought his connjecture was trivial is pretty nice
< 1382507729 783925 :Uguubee111118!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382507811 167537 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get it! It's so beautiful! The connection between Kernel, Racket, Tcl, and Rebol
< 1382507832 226288 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok, not really, but I think I get some idea of similarities between Rebol and Kernel)
< 1382507854 199696 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rebol keeps looking more like Racket than anything else :/
< 1382507869 849601 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1382507943 752128 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNpW8KZOVhw
< 1382507952 468925 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: they should have sent a poet
< 1382507992 315737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what. why.
< 1382508046 435159 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sent a poet
< 1382508048 288205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8AUPSfgk18 (can't remember if this is nsfw or not)
< 1382508089 558056 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not sure whether i believe that was actually graded
< 1382508135 207408 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the typing noises are so great
< 1382508148 838712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEgtYOJ_qeM is definitely nsfw
< 1382508351 894624 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't help think that I almost like Rebol's model better than Kernel
< 1382508404 249757 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although guess I need to think about whether hygiene can even be broken in the right ways in that model
< 1382508449 174491 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also need to not drop dead of sleep deprivation
< 1382508528 394370 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dehumanize yourself and face to bloodshed.
< 1382508563 349764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1382508641 20880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing I like about the Internet is that things which could be brilliant postmodern art or could be utter shite are produced and published at a rate much too fast for any authority to judge them
< 1382508830 948513 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well cboyardee's later stuff has been well received
< 1382509012 470326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1382509046 124304 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes note to talk about cboyardee's "rainbow period"
< 1382509138 512456 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think after this song finishes playing I MUST sleep
< 1382509171 65115 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good plan
< 1382509184 391060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :500KV Substation arc.. Nice
< 1382509545 764985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h6UPMcy8-o cool robot
< 1382509741 580691 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1382510199 916013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robots are categorically cool, AIUI.
< 1382510237 211399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Have you inspected any high-voltage transmission lines lately?
< 1382510237 419236 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and i tried those md5s both all caps and all lowercase
< 1382510240 783690 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie has never watched asimo try to breakdance
< 1382510247 97913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That's... not quite the same thing.
< 1382510247 382058 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what do 's buy you that fnord and x*y with 0/ 1 then 1/ 1; 1/ 3
< 1382510262 876653 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Automatic Chicken Breast Deboning Robot " finally
< 1382510373 567789 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this is cool.
< 1382510701 471545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes let's teach the robots how to remove bones
< 1382510776 993248 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant the power line one, i'm a bit too squeamish for deboning
< 1382510784 712672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Have you learned to remove bones?
< 1382510784 966241 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mä fnord mennä fnord. fnord a maclisp guy at heart." block expr; i don't think
< 1382510795 69411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm slightly worried.
< 1382510805 39501 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about reboning (maybe this sounds like i'm hitting on you)
< 1382510806 502198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also: more Finnish in it.)
< 1382510878 350620 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, surgery's cool.
< 1382510890 666682 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might take a field trip to see a da vinci surgery robot at some point
< 1382510912 190618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1382510938 333949 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :such are the advantages at going to a meat-oriented school, i guess
< 1382510950 521142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"orientation: meat"
< 1382510970 688349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do they have some of those cows with clear removable ports installed in their stomachs
< 1382510987 864047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can reach in and experience the beauty of nature as grass is turned into cow shit
< 1382511013 611893 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is... that a thing
< 1382511014 423509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't "orientation: meat" the kind of thing you post in your deadjournal?
< 1382511021 352502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes
< 1382511026 292332 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn i need to get investigating opportunities re: meat
< 1382511059 535252 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't even gone to the raptor hospital >_>
< 1382511060 488705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, isn't it great the range of meaning that English gets just from naming different kinds of animal shit... eg bullshit horseshit dogshit chickenshit apeshit batshit
< 1382511073 731822 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :never thought of it that way. very cool
< 1382511106 5022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these all have different, useful meanings imo
< 1382511174 757841 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the subtle but important distinction between ape and bat shit
< 1382511177 355709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1382511251 851316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one of those is closest to bananas?
< 1382511319 555224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apeshit, clearly
< 1382511348 370266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, it's the logical choice, but I had this nagging suspicion batshit was closer.
< 1382511363 391988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though it makes no sense NYARRR
< 1382511432 39113 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1382511437 54076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An army of sneezing wangs stalks my nightmare", as the saying goes.
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< 1382511516 127732 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1382511522 257960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://isometri.cc/strips/i_have_horrible_allergies/
< 1382511531 854451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wangs are not known to sneeze, in my experience
< 1382511540 254407 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think 'sneering' could work though
< 1382511667 690738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an odd comic
< 1382511675 107715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it
< 1382511722 10052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I've mentioned a couple of times, back when I lived alone (redundant?) I had a dot-matrix-printer copy of http://isometri.cc/data/strips/only_when_youre_ready/21.gif as a wall decoration. It's classy to have some art, dontcha know.
< 1382511757 74712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's redundant because all of us are truly alone in life, deep down?
< 1382511799 123026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's redundant because that's not the kind of picture you hang up as a member of the civilized society, perhaps.
< 1382511814 897605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the print quality was bad.)
< 1382511859 608833 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to put up some pictures but it sounds like I'll be moving (to another room in the same apartment) in a month or two
< 1382511863 143932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm putting it off again
< 1382511891 298461 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo
< 1382511900 416228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting off and putting up sound pretty equivalent to moo. I mean, me.
< 1382511925 756527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no is your room broken
< 1382511936 735934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no its fine
< 1382511939 630914 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just small
< 1382511952 354543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have the smallest room and the largest number of people in a room
< 1382511981 295009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :break down the walls
< 1382512391 916540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NASA reports that it has used a pulsed laser beam to transmit data over the 384,633 kilometers (239,000 miles) between the Moon and the Earth at a transfer rate of 622 megabits per second." They can get 622 megabits to the *moon* but not more than barely a hundred to my home.
< 1382512437 996302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough lasers involved in the latter, I suppose.
< 1382512469 864590 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bet you get better latency, tho
< 1382512653 210718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The press release doesn't mention it, but that sounds like a safe bet.
< 1382512737 237032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're complaining about having a hundred megabit connection to your house?
< 1382512760 394669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to america sometime
< 1382512799 969554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's only ten in the other direction.
< 1382512815 820683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though the laser to the moon was also only 20 megs to the other direction.)
< 1382512817 72187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my internet connection at work is p. good
< 1382512907 718889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The student apartments here are (gradually) being upgraded to have gigabit Ethernet to the apartments themselves.
< 1382512942 501159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they've done about half.
< 1382512974 201632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://netstat.ayy.fi/weathermap/ fancy graph.
< 1382513126 237752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the entire village used to be a single Ethernet segment at one point.
< 1382513131 161336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was quite a lot of noise.
< 1382513322 27543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders who has wi.fi
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< 1382515804 955635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: A company called "Wi Ventures".
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< 1382516217 2839 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://beza1e1.tuxen.de/articles/accidentally_turing_complete.html
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< 1382522251 81933 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :merde. j'ai besoin d'une nouveaux laptop. :(
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< 1382522361 257704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"besoin"?
< 1382522374 206758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand the rest of the sentence
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< 1382523294 922207 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://beza1e1.tuxen.de/articles/accidentally_turing_complete.html
< 1382523543 722323 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fun
< 1382523544 617202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: strangely enough, I'd opened that in tabs in my browser, but not read it yet
< 1382523562 267905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, as the famous lament quote goes, even a box of rotten apples on a string is Turing-complete
< 1382523590 70344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I was intentionally keeping aimake configuration low-powered
< 1382523613 915195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet I think that's Turing-complete, if you write a bunch of files for intermediate storage (assuming the filesystem allows files with names of unbounded length)
< 1382523764 486103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how chaos-pp/order-pp relate to the C preprocessor entry on that page.
< 1382523819 704762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I've never figured out how those two work, but the claim to be standards-compliant, yet have apparently general control structures like 8while.)
< 1382523838 55149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And 8call_cc.)
< 1382523924 26716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: huh, that's the same trick I used in Verity
< 1382523925 757188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's some kind of a lambda calculus example.
< 1382523935 254029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the internal-use-only identifiers start with digits to make them impossible to enter in a user program
< 1382523947 622145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the lexer won't lex their names
< 1382523974 989859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the same thing? I don't think the number is part of the name here.
< 1382523999 203001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess maybe they're part of the same C preprocessing token.
< 1382524003 51172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the C standards allow you to give semantics to otherwise illegal code
< 1382524024 260713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the usual way to implement extensions
< 1382524030 833559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not illegal code or an extension, though.
< 1382524126 734513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1382524275 140654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even in the preprocessor, macro names are restricted to identifiers, so the 8's can't at least be part of a macro name.
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< 1382524305 715206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should try to look at how it works at some point. It's just that, IIRC, order-pp is written on top of chaos-pp, and the latter seemed quite... confusing.
< 1382524353 673610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of token concatenation is involved, I think.
< 1382524451 31780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess since everything is ultimately inside some ORDER_PP(...) macro it has a chance of prepending something else before the numbers.
< 1382524635 564695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But e.g. after #define ORDER_PP_DEF_8fib_iter ORDER_PP_FN(8fn(8N, 8I, 8J, 8if(8is_0(8N), 8I, 8fib_iter(8dec(8N), 8J, 8add(8I, 8J))))) the expression ORDER_PP(8stringize(8to_lit(8fib(8nat(5,0,0))))) expands into the string "139423224561697880139724382870407283950070256587697307264108962948325571622863290691557658876222521294125"
< 1382524644 584790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just verified that with gcc -E.
< 1382524675 312333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpp isn't turing-complete unless you run it in a loop, there's an entropy restriction
< 1382524684 421542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can still make decently large loops and the like
< 1382524723 431832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wonder, since there seems to be no inherent limitations in order-pp.
< 1382524842 213341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there is some kind of an arbitrary limit somewhere deep in chaos-pp.
< 1382524857 806294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it manages to look quite a lot like the real thing, anyhow.
< 1382524874 934950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think offhand that cpp is primitive recursive, not sure on that though
< 1382524884 244149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a computational class that doesn't get that much love, really
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< 1382525297 330342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could sort of argue that the "Stuff which is somehow limited -- is still considered Turing complete, since all "physical" Turing machines are resource limited", should apply to C preprocessor too.
< 1382525366 961711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare e.g. someone's brainfuck interpreter in CPP that has unbounded memory but an execution step limit of 2^33 instructions, with Apache's rewrite rule system that has a similar arbitrary restriction and still has been counted to be TC on that page.
< 1382525500 513460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember originally registering for reddit for the purpose of complaining that that HTML/CSS TCness proof was wrong
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< 1382526083 642567 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did it rely on anyway?
< 1382526098 739358 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall there being something fishy with it
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< 1382526742 569210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it had limited memory horizontally, probably vertically too
< 1382526764 169779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I got at least some reddit commentors trying to work around that with CSSForms
< 1382526766 449302 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1382526819 841513 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and did that work?
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< 1382527038 675901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I don't think it got very far
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< 1382530177 928936 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good headache morning.
< 1382530222 600857 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: people from trondheim are weird.
< 1382530251 902997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: itj færra nålles
< 1382530291 198709 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: de quossé?
< 1382530302 841261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Älä muuta virka.
< 1382530335 26115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't actually speak trondheim dialect, despite living there for most of 24 years.
< 1382530355 303747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ooh, I low how Google Translate picks all the wrong senses for that.)
< 1382530387 882504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hey no fair confusing google translate with your ... oh wait.
< 1382530404 923973 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do not change the service???
< 1382530449 349405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It's approximately "you don't say [sarcastic tone]" or "say no more", it's just managed to choose pretty badly there.
< 1382530451 647116 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: «dequossé» → «de quoi c'est» → «what is that» → «what» → «wut».
< 1382530546 971735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's a notorious trøndersk phrase which is used as a farewell greeting and means approximately "Don't get in trouble."
< 1382530558 859232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"muuta" is the second-person imperative of the verb "muuttaa" (alter, change), but it's also the partitive case for the noun "muu" (else, other).
< 1382530620 79439 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :No relation between "muuttaa" and "mutate"?
< 1382530621 259779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Älä laita vauva.
< 1382530636 398252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, in English, "you don't say" is mostly used as a sarcastic reply when someone says something really obvious
< 1382530698 864967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "virka" is indeed a post or a public office or things like that, but also second-person imperative of the verb "virkkaa", which is (in addition to crocheting) an old-fashioned dialectal alternative of "to say, to speak".
< 1382530708 639269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That should be "älä laita vauvaa".
< 1382530711 541434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you don't say.
< 1382530754 37439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fi{end,nn}ish
< 1382530757 501757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So I thought. I think the Finnish works for that, at least vaguely, but it can also be used in a "you're certainly right about that" context, depending on tone.
< 1382530785 15506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose more for the latter, really.
< 1382530803 789517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ai, älä?" or something would be a closer match for "you don't say".
< 1382530815 145097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Älä ihmeessä.
< 1382530817 447033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that.
< 1382530918 901628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: gt doesn't even give your senses as alternatives.
< 1382530991 777475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I can see that. Though if you type in "virkkaa", it does list "say", "quoth" and "utter" as alternatives.
< 1382531002 608080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "quoth" is kind of close, in that it sounds obsolete.
< 1382531002 878565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I fear oerjan is transitioning into that awful curse of believing everything that computers say
< 1382531018 416877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you believe everything your computer tells you?
< 1382531018 562134 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's what i wanted
< 1382531023 193299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, then.
< 1382531038 996772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's understandable for a piece of software.
< 1382531054 576712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, meaning fungot. I'm not implying anything about oerjan here.
< 1382531063 826091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think fungot trusting its computer is entirely reasonable
< 1382531064 69265 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that depends... there's two ways of doing things. and, tcl and ruby are my strongest.
< 1382531078 25129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if it's not on google, it doesn't exist!
< 1382531079 776061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, two answers that can be interpreted as relevant in a row
< 1382531113 874845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are you, in fact, a piece of software?
< 1382531134 243026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're on a roll. (I'm sure you'll reply something insensible to this.)
< 1382531134 410125 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: am i allowed to not use it voluntarily.
< 1382531138 414711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virkkoi korppi.
< 1382531149 447200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well i'm fairly soft...
< 1382531165 73927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wonder if that's in the official translation.
< 1382531235 680943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's just "korppi huus" (shortened form of "huusi", second person singular past tense of "huutaa", to shout).
< 1382531283 541160 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely comfortable with the fact that fungot does tcl and ruby
< 1382531283 961649 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: blicero has been rotated. i think tspl is basically just r5rs scheme though. just used sox to convert fnord in emacs. how to deal with
< 1382531287 851540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Virkkoi korppi" sounds a bit too sedate for that context, actually.)
< 1382531296 947352 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(allegedly)
< 1382531314 66604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Is your army for world domination going to run on TCL and Ruby?
< 1382531314 530456 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if you can find a very simple system that allows him to edit the generated output to get rid of methods all together just have the equivalent of " jump to the start and end of thread testing always the same.
< 1382531377 779482 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds vaguely relevant as well
< 1382531409 773850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also gt doesn't know what "Nevermore" is in finnish.
< 1382531443 877635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "Ei milloinkaan."
< 1382531448 911964 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here I thought you knew Finnish
< 1382531464 39756 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you know Finnish?
< 1382531464 318628 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that's still distracting from the main page and some links are known not to work
< 1382531478 819789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Turhaan pyydän armahdusta, järkkymättä korppi musta / istuu päässä veistokuvan, hievahda ei paikaltaan. / Unelmissaan vain se mailla hornan liikkuu irvokkailla, / kun sen varjo aaveen lailla illoin kasvaa lattiaan / varjo synkkä, raskas, josta sieluni ei nousemaan / pääse enää milloinkaan."
< 1382531514 432140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some adaptation that has been done there.
< 1382531533 443716 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is drinking probably prestigious but most possibly bootleg 大紅包袍
< 1382531544 659938 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/包//
< 1382531696 276809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put *that* in GT, and for some weird reason it writes "BUDGE" in all uppercase.
< 1382531766 49403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, the prosody for speaking that out loud was quite "out there".
< 1382531779 38289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their language models aren't perhaps trained for poetry.
< 1382531789 465030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say.
< 1382531815 809767 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :älä muuta virka!
< 1382531847 918469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muu.
< 1382531866 343390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can also read it as "don't say 'muu'", a favourite for witty people everywhere.)
< 1382531920 168817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Onko lehmä on Buddha-luonto?
< 1382532038 16009 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :muu, muu, muu, muu ♪
< 1382532214 514882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "Onko lehmällä Buddha-luonto" hth
< 1382532256 412684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: possibly "Buddha-luontoa". It's debatable.)
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< 1382532714 423232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I want to make an esolang where all strings are equal
< 1382532718 956036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure why that would be interesting yet
< 1382532781 902569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it isn't
< 1382532803 347009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… I guess the difference between me and most esolangers is that I don't instantly go and put it into a BF derivative and call it a day
< 1382532858 541489 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You could make one where there are no string literals, so you have to write a string-generating function
< 1382532860 43612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote hmm… I guess the difference between me and most esolangers is that I don't instantly go and put it into a BF derivative and call it a day
< 1382532864 553143 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1122) hmm… I guess the difference between me and most esolangers is that I don't instantly go and put it into a BF derivative and call it a day
< 1382532884 154062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: elliott already did that with Underload
< 1382533010 942291 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott already did everything conceivable. except Feather.
< 1382533018 258864 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem to be what I was thinking of
< 1382533049 814623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it basically only had literals for the basic commands, all of which had side effects (those commands themselves)
< 1382533052 471509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : > let f '0' = "01"; f '1' = "10" in fix $ (f =<<) . ('0':)
< 1382533070 460841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a correct thue-morse.
< 1382533095 137747 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://yiap.nfshost.com/esoteric/underload/99.ul Are you sure you are talking about Underload?
< 1382533101 400986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it was an Underload derivative
< 1382533104 511616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Underload itself
< 1382533112 268709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference was that it had no string literals
< 1382533118 319550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had to build them up from the individual commands
< 1382533137 775477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : > let f '0' = "01"; f '1' = "10" in fix $ ('0':) . tail . (f =<<)
< 1382533142 73170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f '0' = "01"; f '1' = "10" in fix $ ('0':) . tail . (f =<<)
< 1382533148 176216 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "01101001100101101001011001101001100101100110100101101001100101101001011001...
< 1382533155 665139 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of something where you provide a formula and it becomes a string
< 1382533233 78273 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So something like (\x -> 0x41) would just generate an infinite string of a
< 1382533253 708469 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not actual syntax
< 1382533255 833713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote sometime this week
< 1382533257 673201 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1382533259 598656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1382533265 702795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ais523.*pi
< 1382533267 668617 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :214) ais523: Maybe it is better, because I don't think the octopus will live very well in the tree. But the difference is that the Internet is lying and you cannot see such things; you could make modified picture, though, in order to lie more clearly, at least. \ 356) meanwhile, I've been running a program for over 24 hours (getti
< 1382533272 297036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 356
< 1382533274 19912 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :356) meanwhile, I've been running a program for over 24 hours (getting close to 48 now) which is calculating digits of pi, in binary so far, it has found four digits I hope it will find the fifth some time this week
< 1382533276 471520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the one I was looking for
< 1382533289 355802 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if all strings were expressed as polynomials?
< 1382533296 102294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that program used that representation for lists
< 1382533302 697156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and used lists as strings of digits
< 1382533308 345932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it was so slow, btw
< 1382533393 655704 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You could probably calculate pi faster than that using the first computer ever made
< 1382533405 805340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: not using that algorithm :)
< 1382533407 165403 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much faster to calculate even by hand
< 1382533412 963164 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, obviously
< 1382533521 368319 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still believe the fastest way to get a very accurate pi is to use a large circle and a rope.
< 1382533543 177951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: wouldn't that be inaccurate due to the curvature of the earth?
< 1382533581 729745 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... probably a very, very large circle then.
< 1382533596 422980 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382533601 763195 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, what if we used the observable universe?
< 1382533617 801922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you going to measure the diameter/area of the observable universe?
< 1382533633 32579 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a string?
< 1382533708 253404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm sure there are some estimates about the diameter based on $PHYSICS_THING, and then you can just multiply by pi.
< 1382533726 964068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For diameter and circumference.)
< 1382533734 232417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this is for measuring pi
< 1382533736 316533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think you generally measure area with a rope, anyway.)
< 1382533741 597889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't use any formulas that depend on the value of pi
< 1382533761 123654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you just do it recursively.
< 1382533825 411323 :nooodl!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1382533941 546009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmail that's the most (deliberate hyperbole) random "History" section in a Wikipedia article.
< 1382533968 386868 :nooodl_!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1382534080 669220 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“This article appears to be written like an advertisement.” but at least, it's an ecologically friendly advertisement.
< 1382534143 779879 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I'm pretty sure using the observable universe only would get you about 20 digits or so
< 1382534160 4904 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's assuming it is flat in the first place
< 1382534189 465330 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Universe is flat, I say!
< 1382534293 131484 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure about that?
< 1382534404 569248 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an assumption I'm perfectly happy to live by. I just can't picture curvature in my head.
< 1382534422 529603 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.116 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382534440 502657 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I can imagine a rubber sheet (2D) being distorted in space (3D), but I can't imagine space (3D) curvatured (4D).
< 1382534531 319211 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you imagine anything 4d?
< 1382534570 154531 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. not at all. even the 3D projections disagree with my eyeballs, which in turn send confusing eldritch images to my brain.
< 1382534683 532815 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://www.geometrygames.org/CurvedSpaces/
< 1382534710 709600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adanaxis helped, for me
< 1382534719 951996 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lets you look at hyperbolic and elliptic spaces ( and others too )
< 1382534726 440788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a 4-dimensional first person shooter (in space, so no gravity to worry about)
< 1382534739 547280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most obvious thing is that four dimensions gives a /lot/ of room to dodge
< 1382534786 610831 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already feeling nauseated (re “good headache morning”), so I think I will pass today.
< 1382534817 476834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I've wanted to set an RPG in a hyperbolic space
< 1382534822 292881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to confuse people who tried to draw a map
< 1382534968 898999 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I find both hyperbolic and elliptic space cool
< 1382534976 32916 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although elliptic is more understandable
< 1382535037 847723 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be honest though, when you look at hyperbolic space in 3D you don't really realise it is hyperbolic
< 1382535047 650579 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it does somehow feel bigger
< 1382535180 566711 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D elliptic spaces feel weird
< 1382535282 596238 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get quite weird effects
< 1382535350 229872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :# spouseName
< 1382535350 991710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :# single valued (/me smirks)
< 1382535352 751298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Evolution's LDAP schema for an address book entry.
< 1382535359 552673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So unfair for poly people.
< 1382535663 763862 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :4d is easy to visualize
< 1382535674 627962 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 4 numbers
< 1382535724 702884 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382535728 561706 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/pL8aVPF.png
< 1382535771 157350 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ieeeeeurgh!
< 1382535785 886298 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry boily
< 1382535849 79507 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god it's horrible
< 1382535866 34251 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is mantra-ising... “stay focused, stay focused, tea goes down, not up, stay focused...”
< 1382535877 201143 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh is that like a 3-sphere renderer
< 1382535907 541581 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, i want this thing
< 1382535909 475209 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't 3-sphere but Binary Dihedral 12 L
< 1382535918 194757 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://www.geometrygames.org/CurvedSpaces/
< 1382535945 18938 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what binary dihedral 12 L is
< 1382535950 399578 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that for some reason it won't work on Linux with AMD's propertiary drivers, but will work with open source ones
< 1382536006 100710 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dihedral means a polyhedron with two sides
< 1382536011 371544 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the 12 L is
< 1382536067 318021 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :One weird thing about elliptic spaces is that as you come closer to something, it first appears to be moving away from you, and then towards you
< 1382536069 891372 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case it means the symmetry group of said polygon
< 1382536117 203905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no it isn't
< 1382536125 180107 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Dicyclic-commutative-diagram.svg helpful diagram
< 1382536160 713420 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just checked and it doesn't actually seem to be a dihedron
< 1382536195 453235 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be a prism-like thing with 12 faces around the edges
< 1382536331 199536 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make the struts thin it looks like a torus
< 1382536400 189297 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The inside and outside switch as you cross the boundary
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< 1382536731 956984 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the texture of the earth this uses is way too cloudy
< 1382537077 677171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Description: SSH-Contact is a client/service tool that makes easy to connect your telepathy IM contacts via SSH. No need to care about dynamic IP, NAT, port forwarding or firewalls anymore; if you can chat with a friend, you can also SSH him."
< 1382537083 394355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds kind of weird.
< 1382537096 453093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also perhaps dirty.)
< 1382537100 999968 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use the galaxy or gyroscope
< 1382537253 901295 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is telepathy
< 1382537270 893605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Gnome IM thing.
< 1382537282 621824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get confused about which part is Empathy and which part is Telepathy and so on.
< 1382537311 379182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *think* Telepathy is the backend, and Empathy the UI.
< 1382537318 605683 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooookay
< 1382537323 316143 :diva!~fuhQ@uncommon.pw NICK :avid
< 1382537327 78363 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does bitlbee support telepathy?
< 1382537334 245031 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :empathy is the part about feelings and telepathy the parts about thoughts
< 1382537335 548851 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1382537355 980662 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnome is the part about gardens. twnh.
< 1382537446 339824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :twnh?
< 1382537456 242481 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? twnh
< 1382537458 5712 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :twnh? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1382537464 710710 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. a glaring hole!
< 1382537478 576872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I think there's some module or another for bitlbee to use at least the IM protocol parts of Telepathy.
< 1382537488 99568 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn twnh is dubious hambiguitous help that will or will not be help.
< 1382537493 278355 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1382537500 174944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Telepathy also does some audio/video call things like SIP.)
< 1382537510 229742 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIP is evil. very, very evil.
< 1382537543 273869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you could get from Telepathy that bitlbee wouldn't already do via other means.
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< 1382537624 685523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except perhaps a single place to configure IM accounts, but that sounds only relevant if you were actually using the Gnome/Empathy stuff.
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< 1382537829 527335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd perhaps like to get Skype into Bitlbee, but last I looked, it required running a headless copy of the actual client, and that sounded too silly.
< 1382537832 958186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't suppose the MSN XMPP things they were making extend to IM'ing Skype users now that the accounts have been merged?)
< 1382538029 728658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, i think the binary dihedral n L is a 2n sided prism?
< 1382538049 634757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the upper and lower faces glued, although i'm not sure in what orientation
< 1382538069 990046 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :just straight, i guess
< 1382538080 689975 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and opposite faces glued at a 90 angle
< 1382538096 493608 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382538726 161591 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Could always figure out the file format to know for sure
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< 1382538809 883582 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "the quotient of the 3-sphere by the binary dihedral group D_12"
< 1382538932 67010 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a geometricist so that doesn't tell me much
< 1382539001 669821 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know what it means to take the quotient of a topological space with a group
< 1382539094 722492 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just ripped the Unreal CD to an iso
< 1382539099 383964 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382539101 641972 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see how well it'll work
< 1382539208 402935 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Wine supports DirectX 5 pretty well
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< 1382539247 167019 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: platinum and/or gold.
< 1382539607 130783 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com
< 1382539614 59120 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to work well
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< 1382545407 845283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do not close our corridor door tonight if anybody is still working inside, please. Hopefully the lock gets fixed tomorrow, but currently the opening button does not work."
< 1382545414 134390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is kind of tragic, to be stuck at work.
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< 1382546993 455061 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1382547615 999080 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382547691 925288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1382547746 35892 :Meilyn!~Meilyn@190.201.13.138 PART :#esoteric
< 1382548188 121304 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-188.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382549028 750971 :^Tristesse^!~Tristesse@108-224-100-84.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382549040 939479 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome ^Tristesse^
< 1382549044 77122 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :06^Tristesse^: Welcome to t13he internat04ional hu13b for esote09ric 02pr12ogramming la11nguage desi13gn and dep10loy02ment! F12or mor04e informat02ion, check out 03our08 wiki: http://eso05l05angs.org/wi04ki/Main_Page. (Fo05r the 03o14ther kind of e10sot10er05ica, try #06esoteric on12 i05rc.dal.net.)
< 1382549050 336751 :^Tristesse^!~Tristesse@108-224-100-84.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello boily
< 1382549078 680608 :^Tristesse^!~Tristesse@108-224-100-84.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's new
< 1382549153 983208 :^Tristesse^!~Tristesse@108-224-100-84.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net PART :#esoteric
< 1382549257 492687 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ^Tristesse^ the usual.
< 1382549257 674338 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382549334 282019 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`välkommen boily
< 1382549335 416783 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: välkommen: not found
< 1382549340 292857 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? välkommen
< 1382549342 406006 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för design och distribution av esoteriska programspråk! För mer information, se vår wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på irc.dal.net.)
< 1382549369 617403 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tervetuloa
< 1382549371 849842 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :tervetuloa: ask shachaf
< 1382549409 575745 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask shachaf tervetuloa?
< 1382549409 721081 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382549485 747037 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? coi
< 1382549487 862961 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :coi? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1382549506 659156 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i guess there's a more appropriate word for welcome)
< 1382549546 854046 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :coi is approx. "hi", right?
< 1382549575 796463 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1382549588 164296 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :co'o is bye i think
< 1382549599 252281 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much all i know
< 1382549620 386752 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoi?
< 1382549715 842765 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1382549716 302286 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lojban
< 1382549777 783325 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xu do tavla fi la lojban
< 1382549816 463728 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1382549817 406788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell FireFly yes
< 1382549817 579424 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382549822 607955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud
< 1382549822 753846 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly asked 6m 53s ago: tervetuloa?
< 1382549827 934093 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great
< 1382549886 608634 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :k i'm not sure what i asked
< 1382549961 857488 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about speaking and lojban, I think
< 1382550013 570944 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"do you talk ? lojban" but i'm not sure which place fi gives
< 1382550032 794613 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember what the lojban vowel order is
< 1382550097 79265 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fee fy fo lojbanum.
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< 1382554359 559383 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@861591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey folks
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< 1382554392 618929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rwelcome Slereahphone
< 1382554395 670749 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :08Slereahphone: 09Welcome 02to 13the 06international 04hub 07for 08esoteric 09programming 02language 13design 06and 04deployment! 07For 08more 09information, 02check 13out 06our 04wiki: 07http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. 08(For 09the 02other 13kind 06of 04esoterica, 07try 08#esoteric 09on 02irc.dal.net.)
< 1382554536 350088 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's an rwelcome? looks nice!
< 1382554566 261150 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's just a rename of the previous rwlcome.
< 1382554597 289700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's different from relcome which is per-character and looks bad imo
< 1382554598 816077 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :this colors by word, the other one colors randomly I think
< 1382554626 607578 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other one is a fungotting nightmare to enlatexify.
< 1382554627 15124 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the system... if operating... will be connected." :-d i am a scientist.' ( c interface generator), which would explain my ignorance)
< 1382554658 198349 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no, it does not operate.
< 1382554658 437964 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you there tonik? a: not being retarded!
< 1382554668 188268 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: and it doesn't explain your ignorance either
< 1382554668 543702 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: you're 13 hours east of me? and please define ' compiled language.
< 1382554672 65341 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just make some tex macros that interpret the magic bytes that sets colors in irc?
< 1382554695 446527 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1382554695 846286 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :might make the tex source horrible :D
< 1382554725 271372 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend is travelling in Japan, so she's 13 hours from me. I should ask her about any bot sighting.
< 1382554727 724170 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just a sed script that substitutes the coloury IRC bytes with LaTeX macro invocations
< 1382554745 389274 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: for the record I'm one hour west of you. I think.
< 1382554745 643345 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i am going to teach it how to correct the semantics of letrec in r5rs. what's the caveats?
< 1382554771 192717 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The caveats of fungot teaching something something?
< 1382554771 563744 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: but purely for fnord entering in the repl'?" i'm not implying anything resembling creationism, i'm saying he's growing it in the book
< 1382554778 891648 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of plenty
< 1382554820 383158 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you are a cocoonspirator on the Wisdom repo. you can sed to your heart's content on it.
< 1382554841 597482 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@861591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So after a few years of joblessness and such I am doing some CS studies
< 1382554859 771683 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't have enough disk space to install tex on this system
< 1382554864 203266 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@861591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now that I'm starting to learn some actual programming
< 1382554878 927629 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@861591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may go back to esolanging
< 1382554906 83556 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@861591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe finally implement the Andrei Machine or Limp
< 1382554907 496442 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: a full latex system isn't that big. it only takes...
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< 1382554944 339235 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits while the du completes...
< 1382554945 851575 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382554953 399833 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 1,4 GB.
< 1382554983 826818 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@861591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are any of the old regulars still here?
< 1382554992 992721 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I like your github picture. is that bread?
< 1382555023 21238 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oh, merely at least 1GB too big then
< 1382555139 32280 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1382555167 466891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: You can do randomness in LaTeX; our university logo needs that.
< 1382555193 656589 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1382555197 415884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because it's either A!, A? or A" and the punctuation mark is in one out of three designated colors, randomly.)
< 1382555246 195542 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382555384 200742 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1382555615 876409 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah?
< 1382555623 926870 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382555670 308856 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah! found it. aalto.fi.
< 1382555687 299584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Sadly, terribly few official places actually do randomize it.
< 1382555729 364268 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the home page is stuck on a yellow “?”.
< 1382555730 707431 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1382555770 170074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1382555780 633658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the bottom header has the "
< 1382555788 343583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the per-school pages have the red ?.
< 1382555846 590333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The logo generator -- http://aalto.digtator.fi/custom/aaltologoselector.aspx -- does put out random ones.
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< 1382555935 63769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: jpg? :/
< 1382555961 753542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't ask'a me.
< 1382555969 449102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get it as a PDF.
< 1382556095 646055 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: jpg???
< 1382556127 251215 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nani!?
< 1382556136 159096 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is Roujo!
< 1382556333 761494 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1382557161 675422 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, it's a yorkshire pudding
< 1382557174 969744 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the mysterious thing that sounds delicious.
< 1382557224 943559 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) it's savoury and generally served with a roast and b) I can send you a recipe if you want
< 1382557330 972692 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b).
< 1382557415 777903 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@861591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fuck
< 1382557427 858748 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.eventbrite.com/event/8938393977/ so who's going
< 1382557430 938309 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@861591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading the Andrei machine again
< 1382557441 866592 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@861591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no fucking clue what I wrote
< 1382557442 11737 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrei...
< 1382557450 671463 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@861591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That syntax is terrible
< 1382557457 717608 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a pun
< 1382557466 569448 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@861591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really
< 1382557481 825799 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then how do you explain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andre%C3%AF_Makine
< 1382557485 580696 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@861591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was an esolang based on the Kolmogorov machine
< 1382557502 103577 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@861591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Kolmogorov's name was Andrei
< 1382557650 875397 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382557688 668983 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@861591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I still have the notes I wrote down for it
< 1382557704 428412 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@861591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a lot of old notes around
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< 1382557806 976385 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://arxiv.org/pdf/0809.4235.pdf help this is scary ;_;
< 1382557822 566937 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I followed the links from that story going around about quantum-entanglement-emergent-time and came upon a paper I will never understand)
< 1382557886 160249 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hm, i bet this would scare the shit out of bike, better show them"
< 1382557917 467054 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reads like snarxiv
< 1382557917 906407 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::<
< 1382557954 325453 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy integrals, batman!
< 1382557994 830919 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@861591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reads like a pretty standard quantum gravity paper?
< 1382558008 976851 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/pdf/1310.4691v1.pdf is the more recent one
< 1382558028 364505 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically an experiment to demonstrate a thing where the time-evolution of a system exists with respect to an entangled clock but not a non-entangled clock or something?
< 1382558031 294736 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereahphone: like i said.
< 1382558044 733891 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:9950:e9e4:e6f7:ad9e JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382558045 802707 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're apparently using the quantum eraser or something like that too, but I think I understand about 2% of it
< 1382558091 251144 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@861591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand more quantum gravity than quantum computings I'm afraid
< 1382558269 716674 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:9950:e9e4:e6f7:ad9e QUIT :Client Quit
< 1382558643 604580 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell, OpenGL acceleration randomly broke
< 1382558822 774902 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382559172 875265 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-188.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382559402 264313 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay... Somehow the kernel headers were not installed
< 1382559413 817963 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also dkms fucked up
< 1382559487 596020 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1382559501 779075 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382559579 976009 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the year of the linux desktop is still some way away, there is too much weird breakage still happening for your average user.
< 1382559624 475861 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly the year of the linux desktop was actually 1739, we just missed it
< 1382559629 257100 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And weird quirks. Like if I mute the volume using the key on the keyboard, I have to manually open the pulse audio mixer to unmute.
< 1382559634 244627 :yours_truly!~yours@bas2-hamilton02-845478218.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382559639 425416 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't unmute it from the keyboard buttons
< 1382559662 834468 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-188.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1382559688 548516 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it works, it works spectacularly well though
< 1382559733 117430 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and this is with debian stable. Not sure if ubuntu is more "user friendly" as it were
< 1382559754 963686 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I am using a kernel from backports, so that probably caused part of the proble
< 1382559757 599306 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem
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< 1382560157 371929 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382560291 550186 :boily!~boily@208.88.110.46 QUIT :Quit: *FOOM*!
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< 1382560766 743278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use some custom XMonad volume control bindings these days, after switching from the previous XMonad-in-Gnome-in-Ubuntu setup to a plainer XMonad-in-Debian one.
< 1382560962 847570 :nooodl__!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382561097 429689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well I run XMonad on BARE METAL
< 1382561110 311957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty HARD CORE.
< 1382561114 879352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even dunked my CPU in some hydroflouric acid so that the metal would be more bare
< 1382561125 235380 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i run xmonad on electrons i gathered and arranged myself
< 1382561125 894857 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1382561223 575274 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :all my xmonad electrons are volunteers, no forced labor in my window manager
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< 1382561371 789452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Selected video codec: ASCII/ANSI art [libavcodec]" apparently mplayer will gamely play also all .txt files if I tell it to play *.
< 1382561630 882071 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1382561661 349034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great if you want to watch a whole movie and then a split second of some warez group .nfo file
< 1382562507 103900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382563254 741671 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382563683 303620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Servo crashes if you try to put two sets of umlauts on the same letter :<
< 1382563685 676756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not metal enough
< 1382563754 216743 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stackbeat is AMAZING! I just don't know how it works. :\
< 1382563756 846369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's too bä̤d.
< 1382563858 372749 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stackbeat?
< 1382563883 67012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of those music synthesis things.
< 1382563884 899413 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I knøw.
< 1382563910 756628 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a more thorough explanation on the wiki.
< 1382563931 707224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't its article quite thorough?
< 1382563941 13085 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone wrote a forth-inspired RPN thing for the music synthesis thing a year or two ago
< 1382563946 876031 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ø_ø
< 1382563973 937171 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a møøse once bit my sister.
< 1382563996 24711 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :øh nø!
< 1382563997 820621 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :møø
< 1382564060 367556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"9 SAN BRUNO - Cow Palace"
< 1382564064 5621 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a thing that buses in SF often say
< 1382564107 960841 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't get it.
< 1382564110 111491 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i got lessons in how to pronounce finnish yesterday
< 1382564152 882756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: What on earth for?
< 1382564158 593694 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When are sounds made, is what I don't get.
< 1382564172 239238 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they made after the bitwise operations?
< 1382564180 826527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: Well, when a daddy sound and a mommy sound like each other very much...
< 1382564185 521001 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: to sing songs
< 1382564245 290790 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why wouldn't one receive lessons on how to pronounce finnish?
< 1382564301 375673 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out you pronounce it a lot like finish
< 1382564309 588335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: If the given StackBeat program is represented by the function PROG, the generated sound is just kind of what you get from for (t = 0; t < N; t++) buffer[t] = PROG(t); play(buffer); kind of thing.
< 1382564320 351229 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like fin-ish
< 1382564323 662697 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's halfway between the two really
< 1382564363 357781 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the values?
< 1382564375 785991 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make different sounds?
< 1382564412 477207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: Just PCM audio samples. You know. Output sin(k*t) to make a single sine wave, and so on.
< 1382564434 313514 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't "You know".
< 1382564453 211557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open some audio file in Audacity or some other audio editor.
< 1382564461 706605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll show you the values.
< 1382564469 256635 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1382564485 785656 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can recreate it in StackBeat, right?
< 1382564516 26294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in theory. The program might end up rather long for an exact reproduction.
< 1382564677 37977 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, but I'm making a small melody.
< 1382564680 485731 :JWinslow23!d83851e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.56.81.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 Bottles.
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< 1382564818 338555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could start with a square wave, that's easy to do from bits.
< 1382564820 335027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh did anyone make an esolang 99 bottles that was the melody before
< 1382564849 993288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try figuring out why 10:2#>1&120* is a tune one octave higher than 10:3#>1&120* for example.
< 1382564878 278670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And similarly for 4, 5, ...)
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< 1382565695 698060 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortticat
< 1382565890 908055 :nortticat!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :hvidiecat
< 1382565917 328020 :hvidiecat!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
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< 1382566109 35664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i was getting used to girl genius updating early again.
< 1382566148 737050 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
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< 1382566310 209156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm really wondering what about that view made agatha so shocked. educated guess: gil has filled his remaining empire with giant statues of her.
< 1382566314 251174 :S1!4ff939c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.249.57.194 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382566361 681825 :S1!4ff939c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.249.57.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't been here for a while. Anyone on?
< 1382566370 900087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rwelcome S1
< 1382566373 861692 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :06S1: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 13for 06esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 13For 06more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 13http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. 06(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 13try 06#esoteric 04on 07irc.dal.net.)
< 1382566496 860994 :S1!4ff939c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.249.57.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your time zone kmc?
< 1382566504 334810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :America/Los_Angeles
< 1382566526 991826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is so pissed that it's not America/San_Francisco
< 1382566528 830763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime S1
< 1382566530 595969 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for S1 is Thu Oct 24 00:15:29 2013
< 1382566555 842171 :S1!4ff939c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.249.57.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't know one could do that
< 1382566562 759562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime kmc
< 1382566565 761503 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for kmc is Wed Oct 23 15:16:02 2013
< 1382566584 613717 :S1!4ff939c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.249.57.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's a difference
< 1382566628 464245 :S1!4ff939c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.249.57.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime oerjan
< 1382566628 891178 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for oerjan is Thu Oct 24 00:17:08 2013
< 1382566635 226348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo!
< 1382566647 247826 :S1!4ff939c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.249.57.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is in France, right?
< 1382566660 993282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well i'm in America/San_Francisco
< 1382566662 850914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sidles scarily close to S1
< 1382566679 102027 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is LA not good enough for you
< 1382566682 808789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :je suis francais tre bien aussi
< 1382566695 211240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tres
< 1382566697 520301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: nope, sorry
< 1382566701 48677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably that's why you left
< 1382566713 528197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@loerjantime
< 1382566713 673365 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1382566735 754934 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Los_Angeles is not good enough for anyone
< 1382566736 923467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: you might want to test a few other information-gathering methods.
< 1382566737 95351 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my local smoggy city is insufficiently good :<
< 1382566748 829815 :S1!4ff939c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.249.57.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list
< 1382566748 987663 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas.
< 1382566757 747422 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-36.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382566759 194214 :S1!4ff939c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.249.57.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@listmodules
< 1382566759 339378 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :activity base bf check compose dice dict djinn dummy elite eval filter free fresh haddock help hoogle instances irc karma localtime more oeis offlineRC pl pointful poll pretty quote search slap
< 1382566759 484620 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :source spell system tell ticker todo topic type undo unlambda unmtl version where
< 1382566768 568135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and i'm not talking about lambdabot)
< 1382566773 265023 :S1!4ff939c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.249.57.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I know what does what?
< 1382566796 593795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help yarr
< 1382566796 739138 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :yarr. Talk to a scurvy pirate
< 1382566812 703834 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I don't like cars :<
< 1382566822 964756 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry, I'm just teasing you xD)
< 1382566841 624575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list haddock
< 1382566841 769647 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :haddock provides: index
< 1382566849 272401 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one thing I don't like about this game is that it doesn't really feel like a Pokemon game
< 1382566854 663495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help index
< 1382566854 808818 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :index . Returns the Haskell modules in which is defined
< 1382566864 430987 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@index (+)
< 1382566864 576564 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude
< 1382566871 885907 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@index (<$>)
< 1382566872 31033 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzzt
< 1382566874 61678 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1382566880 228647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1382566887 873959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not very updated.
< 1382566897 33122 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@index fromJust
< 1382566897 178220 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Maybe
< 1382566961 788166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@index (<*>)
< 1382566961 970729 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzzt
< 1382566969 834379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh COME ON
< 1382566986 280752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@index <*>
< 1382566986 426149 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzzt
< 1382566990 941676 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@index void
< 1382566991 102650 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.Marshal.Error, Foreign.Marshal, Foreign
< 1382566996 28969 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@index ap
< 1382566996 174544 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad, Control.Monad.Reader, Control.Monad.Writer, Control.Monad.State, Control.Monad.RWS, Control.Monad.Identity, Control.Monad.Cont, Control.Monad.Error, Control.Monad.List, Data.Graph.
< 1382566996 319877 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inductive.Query.ArtPoint, Data.Graph.Inductive.Query, Data.Graph.Inductive
< 1382567029 700355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's what "defined" means, lambdabot
< 1382567085 120361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps "defined" means "in scope"
< 1382567091 960563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in "ERROR: x is not defined"
< 1382567108 101785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's not what it means.
< 1382567173 733308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@index (:$#$#$#:)
< 1382567173 883973 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzzt
< 1382567190 517218 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@index not#valid?name
< 1382567190 704888 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzzt
< 1382567203 970152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@index (^#->#?)
< 1382567204 115356 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzzt
< 1382567215 109596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missing all the important operators there.
< 1382567221 407358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Those were both real.)
< 1382567227 379693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :älä something.
< 1382567256 250974 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those read like lens operators
< 1382567274 351847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think lens gets _quite_ that bad.
< 1382567290 473345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the first one is a constructor.
< 1382567328 451120 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough
< 1382567338 599124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (:$#$#$#:)
< 1382567339 301667 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor `:$#$#$#:'
< 1382567340 975456 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst in lens is something like <<>=
< 1382567346 447560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^#->#?)
< 1382567347 206283 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `^#->#?'
< 1382567377 899834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<<>=)
< 1382567378 612002 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `<<>='
< 1382567378 757072 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1382567378 757278 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : `<<<>=' (imported from Control.Lens),
< 1382567386 143504 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's only in HEAD)
< 1382567394 944858 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<><)
< 1382567395 700712 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `<><'
< 1382567395 846121 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1382567395 846295 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : `<>' (imported from Data.Monoid),
< 1382567410 817638 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (/><)
< 1382567411 550586 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `/><'
< 1382567421 229209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^#->#? is from regexdot.
< 1382567422 101049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<<<>=)
< 1382567423 16106 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Monoid r, MonadState s m) => LensLike' ((,) r) s r -> r -> m r
< 1382567424 807882 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think lens needs a fish operator
< 1382567437 981842 :S1!4ff939c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.249.57.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did y'all just create a new esolang?
< 1382567444 542324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^#->#?) :: a -> RepetitionBounds -> Repeatable a
< 1382567452 237240 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's called "Haskell with lens"
< 1382567453 345586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: no, this is haskell's lens library.
< 1382567475 563024 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1382567480 144382 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lens Haskell DSL
< 1382567490 490165 :S1!4ff939c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.249.57.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, no, same reason, ok.
< 1382567491 664973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<>= looks insane, but it's supposedly logical. although i don't quite remember what the initial << means.
< 1382567504 713521 :S1!4ff939c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.249.57.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should learn this lang
< 1382567509 182026 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382567542 948243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: yep.
< 1382567556 892945 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's response might've been more honest
< 1382567575 795268 :S1!4ff939c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.249.57.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1382567580 788681 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that means it gives you the value before it was changed
< 1382567588 660422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok from the types i think << means to ... right.
< 1382567589 283 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric := means it modifies in the State monad
< 1382567596 151813 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<> means it's mappend
< 1382567596 529017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what = means.
< 1382567611 678938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/><) has something to do with fish, right?
< 1382567615 368804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<<>=)
< 1382567616 96843 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Monoid r, MonadState s m) => LensLike' ((,) r) s r -> r -> m r
< 1382567630 219031 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's a fishy operator
< 1382567632 225912 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I ought to train my Pikachu some more
< 1382567642 246086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if << gives you _before_ it was changed, just < gives after. i think.
< 1382567658 289226 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe hilighting on "train" isn't such a great idea...
< 1382567684 773128 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, are you that interested in railway discusisons?
< 1382567690 68374 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote train
< 1382567691 910932 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :328) The system I kind of have in mind makes a flying train a natural consequence. \ 628) the point of a university is research and training new researchers. the point of the world is to enable this. \ 761) . o O ( (watches on from a distance) I just can't think that abstractly... or I don't want to. I'm more,
< 1382567693 79969 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :discussions even
< 1382567717 888888 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 761
< 1382567719 616693 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :761) . o O ( (watches on from a distance) I just can't think that abstractly... or I don't want to. I'm more, there are 2 trains heading in opposite directions: what year were they built? How many windows do they have? Is anyone train surfing on them? Is Ringo Starr narrating this problem? ) [...] Do they serve french toast i
< 1382567758 338664 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are itidus21's quotes so insightful that they don't fit in a single line?
< 1382567784 184748 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1382567808 510020 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote 761 | tail -c +200
< 1382567810 286828 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric : How many windows do they have? Is anyone train surfing on them? Is Ringo Starr narrating this problem? ) [...] Do they serve french toast in the dining carriage?
< 1382567819 501812 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote 761 | tail -c +100
< 1382567821 202255 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :'t want to. I'm more, there are 2 trains heading in opposite directions: what year were they built? How many windows do they have? Is anyone train surfing on them? Is Ringo Starr narrating this problem? ) [...] Do they serve french toast in the dining carriage?
< 1382568037 233779 :S1!4ff939c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.249.57.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION drowns in text
< 1382568038 979060 :S1!4ff939c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.249.57.194 PART :#esoteric
< 1382568055 429380 :S1!4ff939c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.249.57.194 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382568088 412220 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1382568251 357115 :nooodl__!~nooodl@121.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl
< 1382568401 725766 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382568417 928990 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes?
< 1382568490 396946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi lexande
< 1382568518 699362 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: oh, okay
< 1382568804 74659 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hachaf
< 1382568820 249585 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloxande
< 1382568896 679715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have /hilight exande\b
< 1382568908 727249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that would match on alexande et al.
< 1382568926 77505 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually hilight on alexande anyway
< 1382568926 938743 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/>< fishy brackets ><\\>
< 1382568974 918968 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just have /hilight lexande
< 1382569210 142094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a "/hilight -mask -level quits fungot!*@*" but it doesn't seem to work.
< 1382569210 304655 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well " would think so", "
< 1382569239 596409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Well if you're so clever, why don't you tell me how to write it.
< 1382569239 904313 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the numbers could still be useful for see if something is said on reddit, it must be considered as a crime... i am
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< 1382571920 875198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: taking the quotient by a group probably means you have an action of the group, and the equivalence classes are whatever points are mapped to each other by the group action.
< 1382572004 561331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you use the usual quotient topology on that if you have one on the original space.
< 1382572047 674664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he didn't define an action!
< 1382572067 335177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed that would seem to be a problem. but there is probably an obvious one?
< 1382572073 818869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "obvious".
< 1382572090 753120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't overly well-acquainted with 3-spheres.
< 1382572811 283550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow sprint will buy back my old phone for a whole FIVE DOLLARS!
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< 1382572922 58822 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is now a rich man
< 1382572968 599855 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't spent it all at once
< 1382573068 570165 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1382573315 174533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should offer a sandwich instead
< 1382573490 208126 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do they even plan to do with the phone
< 1382573525 323881 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sell it to someone for twenty of the earth dollars
< 1382573536 314352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably send it off to the third world to be melted down by children for trace rare metals
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< 1382573740 317770 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mail that sandwich to a landfill urchin in manila
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< 1382574575 929579 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo youtube now has a useless navigation bar pinned to the top of the window
< 1382574603 284845 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did google hire a bunch of total incompetents to redesign all their UIs?
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< 1382574669 64935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm did anyone make a navigation bar blocker yet
< 1382574691 536712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk if it even deserves to be called that
< 1382574711 368303 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's two small icons at the top-left and top-right corners, the rest of the bar is just blank
< 1382574735 675801 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan inadvertently begins the navigation bar arms race
< 1382574768 56889 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to actually click those icons to bring up the menus, because at some point google decided putting tools one click away was unacceptably simple
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< 1382574859 930396 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you'd appreciate it more if you upgraded to a smaller screen
< 1382575153 187102 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It stays on top and works well with Excel."
< 1382575157 701609 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(about a desktop calculator)
< 1382575167 898533 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sheepfriends.com/index-page=kelly.html
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< 1382575325 56765 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is klisp considered a good implementation?
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< 1382576030 197682 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-36.psoas.suomi.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1382576152 505175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yay!
< 1382576835 553195 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I never claimed it was a Thue-Morse.
< 1382577157 537094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f
< 1382577158 516338 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:7:
< 1382577158 661772 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched ...
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< 1382577159 956083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1382577196 865097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f '0' = "01"; f '1' = "10" in fix $ (f =<<) . ('0':)
< 1382577197 756642 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "01011001101001011010011001011001101001100101101001011001101001011010011001...
< 1382577566 206706 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does fix() do ?
< 1382577607 536816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src fix
< 1382577607 682287 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix f = let x = f x in x
< 1382577737 796750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm 10|01 -> 1001|...
< 1382577777 397626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f '0' = "01"; f '1' = "10" in drop 2 . fix $ (1':) . tail . (f =<<)
< 1382577778 378651 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:53: parse error on input `:'
< 1382577787 254875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f '0' = "01"; f '1' = "10" in drop 2 . fix $ ('1':) . tail . (f =<<)
< 1382577788 178677 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "01011001101001011010011001011001101001100101101001011001101001011010011001...
< 1382577839 72190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: it's actually the inversed TM sequence minus the first two digits :)
< 1382577876 234805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*inverted
< 1382578110 300242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Moose-Thor sequence
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< 1382578759 524146 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh
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< 1382578884 270750 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/d5d3dc850933
< 1382578986 920670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey shachaf can we use ~wavelet trees~ to support efficient codepoint-based indexing into UTF-8 strings
< 1382579131 527755 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D:-D:-D http://www.sateilykontrolli.fi/suojakotelot/dect-wlan-box.html http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sateilykontrolli.fi%2Fsuojakotelot%2Fdect-wlan-box.html&act=url
< 1382579534 82026 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I attempt to write $syntax-rule for Kernel?
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< 1382580506 412178 :muskrat_!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-171.psoas.suomi.net NICK :muskrat
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< 1382581889 57239 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SO IT CAN'T USE #F AS AN OUT-OF-BAND OBJECT"
< 1382581891 40176 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :_good_
< 1382581894 442309 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glares
< 1382581966 700600 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I do agree with the blogger that assoc could have a better choice of indicating failure
< 1382581969 544464 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...deja vu
< 1382582814 880852 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I do prefer your order of arguments to eval (env first) over Kernel's, I think
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< 1382590479 998954 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I discovered a violation of Kernel philosophy in Kernel
< 1382590532 89085 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1382590540 547665 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does the evaluator work? It does one thing on pairs, another thing on symbols... and every other type is self-evaluating?
< 1382590559 430356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hmm, what do you mean
< 1382590568 116102 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what part of the philosophy does that violate
< 1382590585 590117 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, that implies there's no user-accessible way to make a type that evaluates to something other than itself
< 1382590617 495049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeping the string in memory as-is and making an additional structure for indexing it, or representing it differently, or what
< 1382590645 982134 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :G1b
< 1382590661 948985 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Programmer-defined facilities should be able to duplicate all the capabilities and properties of built-in facilities."
< 1382590662 438748 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, that's kind of what my implementation is about doing, nto that i give a fuck about 'philosophy'.
< 1382590673 811258 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well you can write your own evaluator.
< 1382590752 220901 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if that really qualifies as fixing the problem
< 1382590771 840022 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless custom evaluators can take the place of the native one easily? Even then, seems a bit iffy
< 1382590799 702062 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i mean, what's the "built-in facility" here.
< 1382590827 863490 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i understand what you're saying correctly you could say that it should be possible to make types that have something else for a 'car'.
< 1382590885 985219 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1382591416 740754 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a facility for defining equal? on encapsulated types either
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< 1382592233 135202 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe '(a b c) should be a synonym for (list a b c)
< 1382592242 866769 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that would certainly confuse most Lisp programmers
< 1382592284 27367 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sort of thing is probably addressed in a rationale somewhere
< 1382592384 728971 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thin they sort of are equal
< 1382592437 26432 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So apply-continuation passes control to the continuation normally, and the applicative formed by continuation->applicative passes control to its continuation abnormally, iiuc. That seems like it's likely to confuse
< 1382592460 47837 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1382592518 528179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: '(a b c) is (list 'a 'b 'c)
< 1382592581 279443 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, quoted lists are probably specified to be immutable.
< 1382592588 145544 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh. right. sgeo what the heck.
< 1382592605 351437 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think I read extend-continuation and thought it was apply-continuation
< 1382592608 210537 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure yet
< 1382592623 44739 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kernel's continuations are weird as hell imo
< 1382592664 976087 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My only question is if delimited continuations can be built on top of them sanely (i.e. not in the leaky "add a mutable cell" way)
< 1382592671 31609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: he was making a suggestion, I think
< 1382592689 479709 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1382592692 756074 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(re ')
< 1382592708 28130 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes but it's a weird one.
< 1382592750 303464 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guard-continuation would become less verbose, and there would be less temptation to make it an operative $guard-continuation
< 1382593180 614634 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want to know if something similar to CL-style restarts can be achieved
< 1382593208 758420 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with continuations?
< 1382593221 302548 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, like, obviously yes.
< 1382593246 948031 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are possibilities for limitations to get introduced
< 1382593274 614367 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Racket, you can't just resume from a (raise blah) unless the code before it co-operates to provide a continuation
< 1382593309 737353 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could make a raise-resumable ofc, but that does nothing to resume at an exception thrown by code not supportive of this facility
< 1382593356 637409 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you don't need anything continuationy for restarts anyway. just lexical escapes.
< 1382593500 970954 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without continuations, think you also need dynamically-scoped variables via some mechanism?
< 1382593550 367254 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't need to be variables, just some dynamic access
< 1382593555 287952 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use globals if you hate life
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< 1382593677 851413 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so apply-continuation does in fact pass it abnormally
< 1382594315 440174 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :decapsulate is such a fun word
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< 1382594918 460376 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Since before I started klisp, the main hole of the Kernel Report I wanted to address is the fact that there is no way to customize read/write/eval/eq?/equal?, neither for new objects types (encapsulations) nor for primitive types. I always leaned to generic functions/multi-methods as a catch all solution, but as the Report mentions, this is just one possible solution. "
< 1382594983 343163 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of great how crazy you can make a pretty printer.
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< 1382599054 260073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a piece of cake to make a pretty printer
< 1382599073 88713 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: uh i dunno it was only half an idea
< 1382599111 159550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the simple idea is you would just store the bitvector of "is byte n the start of a character" as a succinct set whatever
< 1382599190 222180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can get the nth character or count the characters up to a byte position
< 1382599200 190309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not a wavelet tree just the flat thing
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< 1382599953 404700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that lets you store UTF-8 and index it quickly by codepoint with only 12.5% + o(n) overhead
< 1382599965 10738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(space overhead)
< 1382599971 174846 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I don't know is whether such strings can also be quickly appended, sliced, etc
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< 1382603665 164227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why does the Mercedes S-Class contain gcc, libpcap, SSLeay *and* OpenSSL, dropbear *and* OpenSSH, etc? http://www4.mercedes-benz.com/manual-cars/ba/foss/content/en/assets/FOSS_licences.pdf"
< 1382603717 233303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of licenses.
< 1382603754 46162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid future
< 1382603794 323847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've managed to use pppd for something too, I see.
< 1382603868 325790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unicode License 2004" "Unicode License 2008" "Unicode License 2011" "Unicode License 2012" well at least the car has good character set support, presumably.
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< 1382608365 870814 :Taneb!~androirc@sns57-155.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :First historical computer architectures practical...
< 1382608391 706684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work?
< 1382608396 15562 :Taneb!~androirc@sns57-155.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me and my partner are having about as much luck getting started as Babbage did
< 1382608421 916107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like you're striving for historical accuracy, then.
< 1382608454 570220 :Taneb!~androirc@sns57-155.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, we're to use a Java-based analytical engine simulator
< 1382608522 92869 :Taneb!~androirc@sns57-155.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, to our disgruntion, did not work under Linux
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< 1382609118 506982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write once, run nowhere.
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< 1382627679 224251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Ah, I was wondering whether you meant something like that.
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< 1382628262 371983 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@861591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1382628276 531176 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereahphellone.
< 1382628305 972177 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what they said.
< 1382628326 847191 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
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< 1382632080 853366 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How again would I access sound values in Audacity again?
< 1382632088 659395 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanna make a 99 Bottles Stackbeat program.
< 1382632151 119073 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I met this guy today and now I want to learn Haskell
< 1382632515 885666 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do we access PCM values in Audacity for use in a Stackbeat program?
< 1382632656 498007 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm waiting.
< 1382632682 645901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, how's this for a broken license statement?: "This material is in the public domain and may be freely used, with attribution given to Rice University. This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported License. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ "
< 1382632777 773923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that probably actually accomplishes what they intend, because it's too ambiguous to release it into the PD but states the exact license to use?
< 1382632783 923490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah
< 1382632786 450322 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have a 99 Bottles of Beer 8-bit song. How would I convert it to a Stackbeat program?
< 1382632812 423859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, I think any court would find that if attribution were given, it would be acceptable to use it
< 1382632825 983079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the court case which tested the Artistic License
< 1382632831 122225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is really muddled in the way it was written
< 1382632849 348860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the court case found that the license at least clearly showed a desire for attribution, and thus not giving attribution was illegal
< 1382632858 807940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which was enough to decide that particular case)
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< 1382632904 718925 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: i guess first you convert the audio to 8kHz 8-bit mono PCM
< 1382632912 958119 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how to do that?
< 1382632916 653257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting that the Artistic License has been confirmed to work in court, but not the GPL
< 1382632932 372102 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can look probably that up
< 1382632986 44923 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afterwards it's a matter of writing a stackbeat program that plays that exact audio file, which would be something like
< 1382633138 200637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more interestingly, due to a quirk of jurisdiction, it ended up being handled by a patents court rather than a copyright court
< 1382633146 192205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a patent had been mentioned earlier on
< 1382633146 923913 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$0 _0^!A*| _1^!B*| _2^!C*|
< 1382633168 816411 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where A, B, C... are the bytes from your audio file
< 1382633201 65258 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: this program is going to be huge)
< 1382633235 24270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing a 99bob program without using a loop to iterate over the individual bottles is cheating
< 1382633239 355839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing it with a for/switch is probably also cheating
< 1382633264 233388 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, how to extract bytes from the audio file?
< 1382633272 231788 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is all I'm confused about.
< 1382633288 908662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hex editor
< 1382633306 345325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even a hex dumper
< 1382633311 752472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Linux, use od -t x1 filename
< 1382633323 640718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get them in hex
< 1382633328 648488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(change the x to d for decimal)
< 1382633336 752799 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually just write a script that reads the file prints "_{time}^!{sample}*|" a bunch of times to generate your code
< 1382633364 652058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that'd be better than doing it by hand
< 1382633368 697224 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll use a hex dumper
< 1382633412 265505 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I got the hex code. From what point should I start?
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< 1382633460 442532 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm on Windows 7.
< 1382633618 110544 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would the script be?
< 1382633646 512739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a programming language to write it in
< 1382633657 736281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do it in brainfuck, actually
< 1382633669 693226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the conversion to decimal would be a pain
< 1382633708 885132 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a verse of "99 bottles" takes about 8 seconds to sing. so that's (8000 * 8 bits/sec) * (8 seconds) * 99 = 6.043 MB (for 13.2 minutes of audio)
< 1382633727 384647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, bleh, this paper is old enough to a say "associate" rather than "associative"
< 1382633740 776607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could come up with some sort of compression scheme to make it smaller
< 1382633757 258121 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how.
< 1382633789 463233 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, nooodl, it's 9 seconds.
< 1382633843 182583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this entire conversation sounds like "I want to write a program but I don't know how to program"
< 1382633865 72302 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stackbeat is confusing, ais
< 1382633867 736712 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :523!
< 1382633874 130113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you wouldn't use stackbeat to write the conversion scripe
< 1382633875 812437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*script
< 1382633882 736911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like programs to generate C don't have to be written in C
< 1382633885 372208 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course.
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< 1382633890 331117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although they usually are, as it happens)
< 1382633899 700839 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-171.psoas.suomi.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1382633919 157713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know stackbeat, but you could probably make the program shorter by using some sort of array
< 1382633923 52913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that exists in the language
< 1382633928 150768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a "real" language or an esolang?
< 1382633928 400630 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/StackBeat
< 1382633933 180671 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang.
< 1382633937 800568 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The link is above.
< 1382633990 39130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does that thing not have loops?
< 1382633996 601192 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, right?
< 1382634004 323410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the implicit one
< 1382634017 687897 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We only need to make the melody once.
< 1382634029 110456 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION made a thing a long time ago with only a single implicit loop
< 1382634046 185627 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could compress it by doing something like,
< 1382634077 975907 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if t mod (length of a verse) = (index of first "bottles of beer" sample), output (first "bottles of beer" sample)
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< 1382634098 406428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it doesn't say the size of the stack elements
< 1382634107 297564 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, right?
< 1382634110 464509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're bignum, you could just push the entire song as one big number
< 1382634112 213688 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Confusing.
< 1382634125 887523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then shift by an amount depending on the timestamp, and do modulo to get at the byte you want
< 1382634143 27250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This top value is reduced to just one byte and sent to audio output."
< 1382634145 912704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly don't even need the mod
< 1382634193 417460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's using floats to store the individual stack elements
< 1382634195 272582 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once again, I do not understand this.
< 1382634196 536653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to being written in JS
< 1382634197 958055 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm 6MB bignums
< 1382634218 802105 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only the thing had the same notation as that MIDI notation.
< 1382634259 424925 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: imagine a really long number in binary: [... dddddddd cccccccc bbbbbbbb aaaaaaaa] where aaaaaaaa are the 8 bits of the first sample, bbbbbbbb are the 8 bits of the second one, etc.
< 1382634299 594740 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go on.
< 1382634317 33175 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just push that number and bitshift it right by (8 * time). for example if time == 2, it'll become [... ffffffff eeeeeeee dddddddd cccccccc] because you shift the 16 least significant bits away
< 1382634347 491572 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the number gets reduced to a single byte by taking the lowest 8 bits which are cccccccc
< 1382634368 422339 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the value of cccccccc gets popped?
< 1382634418 489005 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. i think after each computation, stackbeat just pops the top value off the stack and outputs that, discarding anything else on it
< 1382634425 360356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't fit a 6MB number into a float, though, so the JS interps wouldn't work
< 1382634447 339134 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn. I only HAVE the JS interp.
< 1382634486 149858 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1382634538 70807 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stackbeat looks really awesome
< 1382634576 261551 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in stackbeat it'd be: (really long number) #8*>
< 1382634590 325290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: should be an underscore in there
< 1382634595 980107 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about 34.8 million digits in decimal
< 1382634596 878235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think your client changed it to an underline, though
< 1382634610 913606 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the time is pushed first isn't it? i have # (swap) in there
< 1382634617 488670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: there are no underscores in what you sent
< 1382634621 499884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see
< 1382634623 931903 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the stack is initialized with the timestamp value on the top"
< 1382634628 245558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're using the initial value
< 1382634640 781744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and relying on the fact that the number, though really really big, is just one element
< 1382634655 361445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… with bignum and some sort of loop, stackbeat would be TC
< 1382634687 904806 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs to be a stackbeat variant that takes audio input too
< 1382634710 606927 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you can program audio filters in it!!
< 1382634741 25934 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn: Server sent unexpected return value (405 Not Allowed) in response to OPTIONS request for 'http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/svn/esofiles'
< 1382634744 8132 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-10-24 06:30:06 URL:http://esolangs.org/dump/esolang.xml.gz [30756757/30756757] -> "esolang.xml.gz" [1]
< 1382634753 136636 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to tamper with my 99 bottles file, here it is on Mediafire. http://www.mediafire.com/?uaulzh1509394pz
< 1382634764 993215 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my svn mirror is down
< 1382634767 21153 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparentely
< 1382634771 998775 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because something is not allowed :)
< 1382634793 103129 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You try to download it?
< 1382634801 521950 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn up
< 1382634831 224399 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1382634857 196395 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 42 melody doesn't work here :(
< 1382634912 922449 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, crowd is the only one that works here
< 1382634917 740743 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am disappoint
< 1382635188 809366 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :work ware?
< 1382635199 65530 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*where
< 1382635213 566901 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am using that bookmarklet
< 1382635220 331662 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works fine with crowd
< 1382635232 353795 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does not produce any sound at all from the other examples
< 1382635276 852115 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1382635277 705182 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works fine on mine. Did you select and/or copy-paste the text correctly?
< 1382635313 951144 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, tripple click
< 1382635335 243891 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean?
< 1382635394 961639 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know a double click? it's basically 3/2 of that :p
< 1382635462 58289 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 3/2 of "a double click" "aa ddoouubblle click"?
< 1382635462 242091 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposed to mark a whole paragraph
< 1382635519 614113 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's "aa ddouublle cllicck"
< 1382635585 705962 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's completely arbitrary!
< 1382635641 673479 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:41da:542e:4379:a182 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382635674 883300 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: it's half a tripleclick
< 1382635696 674740 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: funny, Ithought it was a full tripleclick
< 1382635778 864745 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: because it is
< 1382635787 82041 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copying and pasting doesn't work either :(
< 1382635868 698620 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: oh, maybe it is
< 1382635881 534691 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I believe you meant "half a sexclick"
< 1382635897 709634 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read 3/2 clicks, sorry
< 1382635925 543053 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a full click plus a half-pressure-on-the-button click?
< 1382636022 375366 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382636057 409614 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.113.67.177 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1382636065 327992 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you need a float pointing device to do it
< 1382636277 855119 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382636728 820748 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, how's the 99 Bottles comin' along?
< 1382636945 104868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, anyone here know how to type a ć using the altgr or the compose key in Linux/Gnome/Ubuntu?
< 1382636956 326218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh bleh
< 1382636963 944593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :altgr-; c gives ć now
< 1382636966 895507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it should
< 1382636969 694935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't working before I asked
< 1382636994 786109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was giving ç
< 1382636999 839751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I just made some sort of incredible typo
< 1382637067 48035 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382637079 540990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, #esoteric: thanks for telling me what "substructural" meant
< 1382637086 592267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really helping me construct searches for relevant papers
< 1382637206 722660 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1382637218 157347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: If you want people to "tamper" with it, shouldn't you share the source rather than the binary?
< 1382637251 357234 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source?
< 1382637266 698503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The StackBeat source. Or was this something else?
< 1382637305 503063 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1382637331 293296 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382637338 852263 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for accidentally signing out.
< 1382637343 261500 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was the .wav file.
< 1382637373 43022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought it was a recording of some StackBeat code.
< 1382637394 86099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is basically "write a program to produce this output"
< 1382637405 544253 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone confident enough in mariolang to tell me if the ! is really needed on elevators?
< 1382637406 216096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the output is a recording of someone singing, and thus does not compress particularly well
< 1382637419 311031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It wasn't someone singing, though.
< 1382637421 961425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, not if it has to be expanded by a language with no loops
< 1382637423 521366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah, right
< 1382637425 210162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it then?
< 1382637443 111957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Boops and bleeps, basically. In fact, something I think could be compressed to a StackBeat program of reasonable size.
< 1382637448 821242 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.113.67.177 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1382637451 25723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not a small one, by any means, but still.)
< 1382637465 941865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least if you approximate.)
< 1382637521 110136 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Been a while since someone mentioned MarioLANG.
< 1382637528 920662 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually made a Hello World program.
< 1382637536 633584 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still looking for an interpreter.
< 1382637544 643698 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is none?
< 1382637552 484710 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382637554 758783 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1382637563 268030 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll write one
< 1382637574 652724 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do find elevators underspecified, though
< 1382637640 293778 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e.: do you have to make mario stand still? if not, does he move one per turn (i.e. will it work if the elevator is flat enough)
< 1382637657 338171 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it teleportation or does it respect the symbols on the way up?
< 1382637685 706292 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how far do jumps go up?
< 1382637722 389851 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1382637792 634464 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elevators follow the symbols on the way up.
< 1382637814 492485 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what i would assume, too
< 1382637834 692006 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jumps go up 1 space, and if a space to make Mario move isn't there, an infinite loop occurs.
< 1382637858 760238 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a > over a ^ would make him jump right.
< 1382637869 804916 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An upside-down U shape throughout the jump.
< 1382637918 902959 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And elevators are skipped over if Mario keeps moving.
< 1382637944 794908 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/de*
< 1382637945 639746 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It acts like a jump.
< 1382637946 137644 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if an elevator arrives on top but there is no moving symbol?
< 1382637947 203582 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/define \ bin/delquote \ bin/delvs
< 1382637954 856507 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/un*
< 1382637956 388727 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/undo \ bin/unh \ bin/unicode \ bin/unidecode \ bin/units
< 1382637961 14412 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite stay.
< 1382637968 153774 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that suchs
< 1382637974 839992 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⋂
< 1382637977 199295 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+22C2 N-ARY INTERSECTION]
< 1382637978 240747 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unh hth
< 1382637979 894383 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't open hth: No such file or directory.
< 1382637982 616711 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, so put a moving symbol there, coders!
< 1382637986 891494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ć
< 1382637988 331795 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unh 12 < (1/0)
< 1382641001 965250 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : True
< 1382641008 511116 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382641008 887683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let infty = 1/0
< 1382641010 34300 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1382641018 938354 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> infty
< 1382641019 620687 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :inftythree
< 1382641022 568365 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Infinity
< 1382641027 699204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1e1000 < infty
< 1382641031 238449 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : False
< 1382641031 383886 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.113.67.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... looks promising. I've been using MLA citations, but the style guide doesn't mention foreign languages.
< 1382641031 529215 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval 1 / 0
< 1382641034 154209 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): Infini
< 1382641036 572300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1e1000 == infty
< 1382641039 994717 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : True
< 1382641041 768338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg
< 1382641043 323350 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval 1
< 1382641044 69204 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1
< 1382641052 717487 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeeh... metasepia's in French?
< 1382641065 372682 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval 1 1 2
< 1382641066 161962 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num
< 1382641066 307089 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (GHC.Integer.Type.Integer -> GHC.Integer.Type.Integer -> t))
< 1382641066 307248 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity check for `e_1112'
< 1382641066 307350 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the context (GHC.Num.Num (a -> a1 -> t),
< 1382641066 307451 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : GHC.Num.Num a,
< 1382641066 723172 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : GHC.Num.Num a1)
< 1382641066 868420 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bound by the inferred type for `e_1112':
< 1382641067 742469 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (GHC.Num.Num (a -> a1 -> t), GHC.Num.Num a, GHC.Num.Num a1) => t
< 1382641067 887507 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : at :(2,60)-(3,5)
< 1382641068 776404 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible fix:
< 1382641068 921579 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : add an instance declaration for
< 1382641069 723757 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (GHC.Num.Num
< 1382641070 845963 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: infty should clearly be 10/0, not 1/0.
< 1382641077 180739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :metasepia.....................................................................
< 1382641081 465578 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf: in APA citation the usual is just to use the publisher information of the translator and then "originally published by..." in a parenthetical, i imagine it's similar with MLA
< 1382641083 118435 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you didn't see nothing.
< 1382641086 441710 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :metasepia: oh hush, you don't have to do *that*
< 1382641098 826984 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: you neither.
< 1382641108 859068 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf: if the citation is to a non-English language you just... cite it, i mean, not everyone is an english speaker anyway ;)
< 1382641110 384482 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pardon
< 1382641113 920111 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody saw rien pantoute. nothing. nada. empty. allez vous en!
< 1382641127 6053 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody try one of those expressions that result in a huuuuuuge error message with metasepia.
< 1382641130 366081 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: now you're in french
< 1382641150 571915 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval "1\n2"
< 1382641151 426099 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1\n2"
< 1382641161 316758 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's no fun. Okay, I'll be quiet
< 1382641163 54452 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: det sker.
< 1382641173 961154 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :channel's super deep today i see
< 1382641183 735615 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: if you want to have fun, try to ~duckwhack.
< 1382641190 106245 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: Deep in shit
< 1382641195 844573 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duckwhack -- don't blame me
< 1382641196 127638 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi
< 1382641199 234495 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is noone excited about biorxiv, imo.
< 1382641204 401915 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duckwhack
< 1382641204 776700 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi
< 1382641207 606762 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck whack
< 1382641208 33680 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rubber chickens were Holiday Rewards available on the 21 March 2005 for only two weeks.
< 1382641217 857321 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: whacking the duck, like a googlewhack.
< 1382641227 838777 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: We don’t care about them ugly sacks of mostly water that much.
< 1382641239 851368 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in that case, probably trying to find the weirdest definition you can get with a ~duck)
< 1382641263 868718 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1382641272 35002 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :self deprecation will endear you to no-one
< 1382641293 322253 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what's cold spring harbor?
< 1382641293 640371 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I'm not a sack!
< 1382641310 416966 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: big biology laboratory.
< 1382641322 321140 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey where's fungot?
< 1382641331 39643 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: FUNGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!
< 1382641331 729933 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the main advantage being that people will actually take it seriously.
< 1382641337 476060 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there like, some reason that bio papers don't go on arxiv?
< 1382641375 25925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1382641381 369207 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the big journals (like Neuron and the Lancet) don't allow preprint stuff because they suck
< 1382641389 466419 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise i dunno, but there's certainly not a lot of bio papers on arxiv
< 1382641395 192910 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382641421 357986 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«“The interesting question is: what the hell's wrong with biology?” says the University of California–Berkeley's Michael Eisen» lol.
< 1382641433 661195 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382641454 657992 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:41da:542e:4379:a182 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1382641464 236463 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: eisen gives a reason as that journal names are more important in bio. "Landing a paper in Nature, Science or Cell can make or break careers in biomedicine, more so than in the physical sciences"
< 1382641479 725787 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:41da:542e:4379:a182 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382641483 284468 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382641485 489220 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziitos.
< 1382641494 532291 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: huh, that makes sense.
< 1382641494 965116 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dorriitos.
< 1382641507 884693 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does nature do other physical sciences like physics or am I remembering wrong
< 1382641534 481963 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :think they do.
< 1382641612 651398 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. well. the original paper on particles as waves was in Nature. so there we go
< 1382641626 368426 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«The neutron — J. Chadwick (1932). "Possible existence of a neutron". Nature 129 (3252)» i'm sure this was unimportant
< 1382641650 970286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps arxiv's bar is too high
< 1382641663 533622 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1382641670 614929 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1382641671 533459 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, the paper on the double helix wasn't even peer reviewed
< 1382641679 182860 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were just like "welp they're right, let's publish"
< 1382641684 268996 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1382641707 602185 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"please, don't peer review this, you might find out that rosalin did all the work"
< 1382641766 679543 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:41da:542e:4379:a182 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1382641825 227780 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like mostly biology in the latest issues though.
< 1382641832 124806 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than "Olivine crystals align during diffusion creep of Earth’s upper mantle"
< 1382641871 826829 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: oh, looks like biorxiv is gonna have comments, too
< 1382641921 712423 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[T]here are unarguable faux pas in our history. These include the rejection of Cerenkov radiation, Hideki Yukawa's meson, work on photosynthesis by Johann Deisenhofer, Robert Huber and Hartmut Michel, and the initial rejection (but eventual acceptance) of Stephen Hawking's black-hole radiation."
< 1382641928 663263 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1382641974 484792 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Nature?
< 1382641982 490761 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was from wikipedia?
< 1382641992 661369 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nature acknowledged more of its own missteps in rejecting papers in an editorial titled "Coping with Peer Rejection""
< 1382642022 336190 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you win some you lose some, i guess
< 1382642037 279564 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh, some of these landmark papers. it feels so amazing and weird to look back on them
< 1382642047 741930 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Observation of a Rapidly Pulsating Radio Source" to think it all started in things like this
< 1382642092 129061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :biorxiv = biology version of arxiv?
< 1382642096 680738 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1382642106 233360 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the actual name btw, i didn't make it up.
< 1382642114 869362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder why arxiv is restricted to maths/physics/CS anyway
< 1382642126 304827 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not, de jure
< 1382642133 122415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@arrxv
< 1382642133 267613 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll keel haul ya fer that!
< 1382642174 954070 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of it is major journals in the field not liking preprints, and part of it is biologists just not being open,probably
< 1382642176 739386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a pointless trigger
< 1382642184 599758 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a few articles, like http://arxiv.org/abs/1304.0479
< 1382642191 958777 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't even comp bio.
< 1382642200 106746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know someone who recently submitted a microbiology PhD, I'll ask them
< 1382642227 999864 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, though there isn't a category for qualitiative biology, is there.
< 1382642263 484368 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1382642356 518538 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0057309 well, anyway, huh.
< 1382642416 459807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how do I reboot a graphics card in Ubuntu, without rebooting the running system
< 1382642424 905022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I have to restart X, which defeats the point of the exercise
< 1382642429 219810 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphic cards can boot?
< 1382642431 315371 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1382642445 607322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I once restarted a graphics card by unplugging and replugging it.
< 1382642454 484902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I got any sort of image out of it, though.
< 1382642465 976084 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... vile!
< 1382642472 650148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might've been an ISA card.
< 1382642484 516647 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once rebooted a graphics card by rebooting my machine.
< 1382642498 897193 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once rebooted a graphics card by restarting the universe
< 1382642503 678761 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i uh, once rebooted a man in reno,
< 1382642504 20508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, rebooting the machine would definitely work
< 1382642518 368987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's WebSDR encounter: an endlessly repeating "DESVO" in morse, of which Google seems to say just that, well, there is such a thing.
< 1382642522 20444 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cooked an apple pie by rebooting a graphics card.
< 1382642548 711844 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:41da:542e:4379:a182 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382642587 667787 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good that it was an apple pie, because the cake is a lie.
< 1382642692 18467 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PART :#esoteric
< 1382642827 318107 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what would be the taste of an algebraic cake...
< 1382642843 370174 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :entirely predictable?
< 1382642875 511431 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you'd exclaim “I knew it!” after tasting a bite?
< 1382642978 965362 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this cake is tasty, alright, but not transcendent"
< 1382643018 8474 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a MarioLANG countdown program.
< 1382643025 568580 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on the talk page.
< 1382643031 474759 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:MarioLANG#Good_sample_programs
< 1382643034 361224 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the bottom.
< 1382643042 550176 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know, i was reading an old math paper the other day that went past algebraic and transcendent to "algebraic-algebraic", "algebraic-transcendental", and "hypertranscendental"
< 1382643046 546762 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst terms imo
< 1382643115 419489 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary.
< 1382643136 299245 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2b | !2b = ?
< 1382643144 669794 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be or not to be, that is the question.
< 1382643159 76691 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the answer is [ten minute argument about excluded middle"
< 1382643164 591537 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow good bracketing me.
< 1382643174 733942 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: http://files.mynery.eu/fib.m
< 1382643188 458698 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-53.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382643204 512123 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mariolang is just going to make me think of generalized super mario man,im' sorry
< 1382643223 190732 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's OK.
< 1382643228 818023 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-53.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1382643244 647196 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGI-GqAK9c it's so good
< 1382643259 21921 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming Mario does not treat the " as solid?
< 1382643283 972078 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume it does
< 1382643329 492750 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people demand a reference implementation
< 1382643354 533592 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am hacking something together right now, but without fancy moving/debugging stuff
< 1382643371 388628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a proof that generalized mario is NP-complete, somewhere
< 1382643380 593654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Sokoban is PSPACE-complete, which is better
< 1382643381 102477 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's what this video is.
< 1382643399 448485 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly i feel like there should be an implementation in the form of a romhack.
< 1382643407 315458 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be fun to do...
< 1382643467 18909 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: could you please undangle Bike's bracketing?
< 1382643467 421359 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and hvh sure is a url for this python movie suffice?' ' viel fnord linja on fnord. but have you considered compiling jvm bytecode? :d
< 1382643494 799860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the NES doesn't have enough memory for that sort of thing, I don't think
< 1382643509 595209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could romhack a port to one of the later consoles
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< 1382643577 569745 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not enough memory for brainfuck?
< 1382643588 644324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for generalized Mario
< 1382643598 246473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMB1 can't even scroll left
< 1382643600 499793 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGI-GqAK9c This video has popular is views of 10,249. I you think should see video Marioman.
< 1382643607 650694 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i meant for mariolang.
< 1382643612 305953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1382643625 172830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even then, the lack of vertical scrolling will hurt
< 1382643635 713658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can't think of a NES game offhand that could scroll horizontally and vertically at the same time)
< 1382643643 781454 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, true
< 1382643668 809003 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mariolang programs can probably be re/written to fit in a reasonable height though
< 1382643677 420799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: okay I lost it at 2:40
< 1382643688 237715 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn straight ya did
< 1382643701 155429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Metroid, it alternated between rooms that scrolled horizontally, and rooms that scrolled vertically
< 1382643704 825366 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can very stuck.
< 1382643713 697814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could really confuse it via glitching into a room an unexpected way
< 1382643723 37232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and scrolling a vertical room horizontally or vice versa
< 1382643745 670699 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't know why paint store ave city makes me crack up but it does
< 1382643754 60349 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a metroidvania esolang
< 1382643764 195333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I cracked up at that too but forgot in the meantime
< 1382643770 757117 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed
< 1382643828 273949 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigbovik also had a "serious" paper where a guy implemented a game-solving AI by picking a few vectors in memory and optimizing them increasing, it's pretty awesome
< 1382643839 835249 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :same program does ok at mario and at some shooter
< 1382643880 190132 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super Mario Bros, which about 1 or 2 bros that land in fantasy life with proof of NP complete Jumpman on a brick.
< 1382643945 783170 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super Mario Bros is star two plum-bobs named Luigi with Marioman. Here is a pict of Marioman.
< 1382643992 754169 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 Bit Soundness
< 1382643999 396423 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF?
< 1382644027 131374 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23, read some learns http://sigbovik.org
< 1382644065 18535 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can very stuck.
< 1382644073 835137 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No seriously, I still don't get it.
< 1382644081 489225 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, as he would say,
< 1382644087 698527 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I is no it geet.
< 1382644133 686419 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1382644178 430877 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I is the studdentt at the school of middels.
< 1382644218 78952 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading advanced papers is hard sometimes
< 1382644228 512925 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be afraid to go over it multiple times and work out some related simplified problems on paper
< 1382644311 97560 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1382644311 242905 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-232.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1382644318 342073 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can I say something else?
< 1382644358 307701 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just say it.
< 1382644365 726024 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The funniest part of the video?
< 1382644366 626869 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marioman went on a quest. He is very, very hunger from not having enough plumming jobs, so Marioman's Quest for Eat and Dollars. This spells QED, so we are done.
< 1382644431 13670 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382644533 523252 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polynomial means "many names", because Polly is the name of a parrot, and nominal means many, as in my riting is have a nominal amount of flause.
< 1382644576 576202 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1382644584 435302 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm out!
< 1382644586 999304 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1382644667 720494 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1382644784 624837 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382644883 868880 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1382645093 735613 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.113.67.177 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1382645432 996010 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sigbovik also had a "serious" paper where a guy implemented a game-solving AI by picking a few vectors in memory and optimizing them increasing, it's pretty awesome
< 1382645446 720799 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plot twist is that it' sthe same person responsible for generalized super mario man
< 1382645463 867826 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOCurBYI_gY oh Bike's gone?? oops
< 1382645480 466119 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 NICK :nooodl
< 1382645510 162376 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382645553 80166 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: wait, really? i had no idea.
< 1382645562 300816 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this vargomax man is a rising star.
< 1382645566 396559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Super Mario Bros 3?
< 1382645578 695698 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lunar magic is for plebs, fizzie!!
< 1382645587 464869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it was a sequel to Super Mario Bros, released on the NES
< 1382645593 26011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :innovations included the ability to scroll left
< 1382645598 262825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It scrolls up and down too.
< 1382645609 867711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I actually didn't know that
< 1382645616 636103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it does on the world map, at least
< 1382645621 905516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elsewhere, too.
< 1382645624 579054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though not everywhere.
< 1382645624 724279 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in levels too yeah
< 1382645632 505183 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, i was thinking of the wrong game :/
< 1382645639 229875 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :smb3 has those slides, i think that scrolled diagonally
< 1382645657 182834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82TL-Acm4ts#t=0m30 -- sample.
< 1382645662 536947 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thisreminds me that my favorite game programming story is iD's first thing being mario for the pc, which everyone thought was impossible
< 1382645679 12707 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wizards and warriors" also had horizontal + vertical scrolling. no idea why i'm reminded of *that* of all things though
< 1382645701 155899 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: um i think you mean "dangerous dave"
< 1382645746 722926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's what Bike meant, calling it "Mario for the PC" is being very kind.
< 1382645774 743858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO THRU THRE DOOR!
< 1382645774 902785 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj4HJkeQSg0 this thing
< 1382645811 101313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought you meant the actual Dangerous Dave.
< 1382645826 106277 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the actual dangerous dave, it's a demo they made.
< 1382645830 345096 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and didn't sell, for obvious reasons
< 1382645836 472339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Dangerous Dave is a game.
< 1382645849 937809 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_Dave uh it's a series.............
< 1382645852 394059 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a franchise!
< 1382645855 417653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes.
< 1382645856 438674 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaAf8sarJok "the" dangerous dave
< 1382645861 755204 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wow the audio. god. loud)
< 1382645880 495181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the warning wasn't kidding.
< 1382645929 260493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it doesn't quite count as Mario for the PC.
< 1382645966 262650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The id thing is more like it.)
< 1382646008 262561 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever, nerd.
< 1382646046 824608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm a bit suspicious of the claim that that'd be the first ever smooth-scrolling anything on the PC.
< 1382646131 923139 :S1!d9fcaa2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.252.170.45 PART :#esoteric
< 1382646264 320205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: how do you feel about Caltrain conductors
< 1382646289 268401 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel anything about anything.
< 1382646360 606468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: hey, Ilari. (he used to be in this channel)
< 1382646444 877917 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... am being weirded out. I hate those moments where you grep for something that exists, that executes, that has side-effects, but the grep returns nothing.
< 1382646642 793605 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: how do you feel about now being allowed on BART at any time
< 1382646647 527918 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i guess you already answered that
< 1382646669 415800 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are people asking me about things that are hundreds of klicks away from me
< 1382646677 303067 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what do you mean by grepping for something that executes and has side-effects?
< 1382646715 144729 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'm grepping for a django custom command because I have some modifications to apply to it.
< 1382646732 793459 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the command executes, it works, it does stuff, but grepping for its name returns zilch.
< 1382646780 796633 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: where are you? we can talk about trains and bikes there instead if you want
< 1382646797 567821 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, time for shopping for mysterious stuff.
< 1382646802 209861 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you probably misspelled it in grep, or forgot an -r
< 1382646828 991695 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: grep -Finr, in both the local project folder and /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages.
< 1382646855 270306 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I really have to disappear. like, shopping, and now that I'm not sick, I can deliver parcels over to mysterious places.
< 1382646862 600761 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: IEEEEEUAAAAAAAAAAAH!
< 1382646866 499126 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1382647117 557599 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: eastern washington, land of nothingness
< 1382647129 460788 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are freight trains but probably not passenger trains worth considering
< 1382647152 78953 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there are daily passenger trains from spokane to seattle, portland and chicago
< 1382647170 326050 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spokane is too mainstream
< 1382647200 196382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo take up freight hopping
< 1382647245 161291 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are free bike rentals, which is nice
< 1382647363 604646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am imagining a bike on a bike.
< 1382647382 254081 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexay
< 1382647384 511656 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, your nearest stations are spokane and kennewick, that's pretty bad
< 1382647412 9063 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of a shame since riding the train back home for thanksgiving would e nice
< 1382647414 734124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Possibly something like http://bostonbiker.org/files/2008/02/bike.jpg for example.
< 1382647429 719765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Minus the top.)
< 1382647431 914403 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like her styel
< 1382647438 727822 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: why are you in a place like that
< 1382647452 570443 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a school out here, believe it or not.
< 1382647476 444649 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but there are schools in lots of places
< 1382647529 973259 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, this one lets me work in a lab, so that's something.
< 1382647538 133189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382647618 480870 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wow the favicon *makes* it
< 1382648143 886821 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the same school seems to have instances in spokane and vancouver wa?
< 1382648264 285869 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382648325 541830 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a BF program. It displays the ASCII values of infinitely many Fibonacci numbers.
< 1382648326 102757 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>>>>>++++++++++<<<<<<+.>>>>>>.<<<<<+.>>>>>.<<<<<[<[>>>>+<<<<-]>[>>>>+<<+<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[-<<+>>]>[-<<<+>>>]<<<.>>>>.<<<<<<>[<+>>>+<<-]>>[-]<<[-]>[<+>>+<-]>[-]<<]
< 1382648337 48291 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made it myself.
< 1382648359 661780 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll convert it to MarioLANG soon enough.
< 1382648367 36621 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already started.
< 1382648375 530831 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty far with my interpreter
< 1382648383 860716 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good!
< 1382648388 278557 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am just fixing an error on [
< 1382648389 144785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >>>>>>++++++++++<<<<<<+.>>>>>>.<<<<<+.>>>>>.<<<<<[<[>>>>+<<<<-]>[>>>>+<<+<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[-<<+>>]>[-<<<+>>>]<<<.>>>>.<<<<<<>[<+>>>+<<-]>>[-]<<[-]>[<+>>+<-]>[-]<<]
< 1382648391 669642 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.........".7.Y...y.b..=..U.m../.. ..1.B.s..(.......y.)...m.8...._..@.!.a...e.H.....9.. .....X..M.B...`.1...S..h.}..b.G....."...x.E......A......M. ...
< 1382648400 750422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1382648403 192897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^fib
< 1382648403 430244 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.1.1.2.3.5.8.13.21.34.55.89.144.233.377.610.987.1597.2584.4181.6765.10946.17711.28657.46368.75025.121393.196418.317811.514229.832040.1346269.2178309.3524578.5702887.9227465.14930352.24157817.39088169.632459 ...
< 1382648415 239362 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will work better in MarioLANG.
< 1382648426 691199 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has an actual command to turn it into actual numbers.
< 1382648435 511799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show fib
< 1382648441 722532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1382648445 702865 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot........
< 1382648451 283743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you feeling quite all right there?
< 1382648481 540745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you killed fungot. you bastards!
< 1382648492 258365 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>>>>>++++++++++<<<<<<+.>>>>>>.<<<<<+.>>>>>.<<<<<[<[>>>>+<<<<-]>[>>>>+<<+<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[-<<+>>]>[-<<<+>>>]<<<.>>>>.<<<<<<>[<+>>>+<<-]>>[-]<<[-]>[<+>>+<-]>[-]<<]
< 1382648495 521907 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>+10>+>+[[+5[>+8<-]>.<+6[>-8<-]+<3]>.>>[[-]<[>+<-]>>[<2+>+>-]<[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>[-]>+>+<3-[>+<-]]]]]]]]]]]+>>>]<3][]
< 1382648495 667523 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i think scheme could sneak in among fortran... they're certainly not concerned about either of those!
< 1382648495 812740 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cool :p thanks :p
< 1382648495 958057 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: however i think i had one where our zed joined this channel. it _is_ scheme.)
< 1382648500 343269 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It prints a newline after each number.
< 1382648505 698023 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, character.
< 1382648513 759887 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: he does indeed seem to feel quite all right
< 1382648520 762021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That was some *really* well timed network lag, I think; it wasn't using any CPU time or anything.
< 1382648527 540578 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it?
< 1382648540 645876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I never know what pronoun to use.
< 1382648568 27587 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how do you prefer to be referred to as?
< 1382648568 175032 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: if we were to make a demo out of it
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< 1382649076 151898 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: have you considered writing a bf->mario compiler
< 1382649106 743045 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I...don't think I can, but I HAVE considered it.
< 1382649124 654335 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My main problem would probably be the programming language.
< 1382649136 734704 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, nested loops. What to do, what to do...
< 1382649145 762418 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dread Lost Kingdom in MarioLANG.
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< 1382649203 239196 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, that'd rule.
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< 1382649460 321226 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added it to the wiki page!
< 1382649468 636388 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the bottom of http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:MarioLANG#Good_sample_programs
< 1382649492 286961 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wow."
< 1382649507 414143 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of these programs really are thin enough to fit in NES SMB, hrm
< 1382649518 105001 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you need to go backwards for this one, though.
< 1382649527 391257 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll definitely think of the BF to MarioLANG thing, and I will check out myname's interpreter.
< 1382649529 701877 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm out!
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< 1382649681 66686 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow has horribly timing
< 1382649881 427970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: i don't think anyone other than the author of MarioLANG knows how it should work, and hasn't been seen for years?
< 1382649957 931971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the talk page has some hints.
< 1382649985 165293 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an interpreter that works perfectly fine on the example code in the esolang wiki but produces errors on the code in talk
< 1382649992 523822 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/mynery/mariolang.rb
< 1382649997 235600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as does the initial example, which was written by the author.
< 1382650005 449984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1382650038 249363 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i see the problem
< 1382650048 122383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just highly expect the author never seriously thought about corner cases unless asked.
< 1382650075 158674 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna need an ANSI standards committee on this
< 1382650080 610997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else he would at least have realized they needed specification.
< 1382650164 697473 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/abs/1310.6271 neat
< 1382650221 353186 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, made it working
< 1382650318 380918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION commends Bike for not linking directly to the pdf.
< 1382650327 18062 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that so irritating?
< 1382650330 186660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1382650354 646247 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like man, think of the metadata :(
< 1382650391 440149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they had at least put it in a subdirectory so it was easy to find the abstract.
< 1382650405 777175 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :(
< 1382650450 285814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe http://sprunge.us/cGCe is a bf-to-Mario translation, though untested and possibly unoptimal. (I avoided trying to walk across the " ends of elevators since I don't know what that does.)
< 1382650536 884338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should put it on the wiki
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< 1382650614 874302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could put that to the talk page, though I don't have time to implement an actual translator today.
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< 1382650669 298245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a TC proof, and TC proofs go on the article page unless enormous.
< 1382650712 775525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what if it happens to be wrong! (I guess someone will edit it, that's what'll happen. 'orrible.)
< 1382650728 354666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1382650750 673032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you might put it on the talk page until there's an interpreter to test it with.
< 1382651195 287182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, I put it on the talk page in a very informal manner.
< 1382651229 338634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1382651573 337345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Fiora: cold spring harbor is doing a bio version of arxiv!! super exciting <-- arxiv isn't for all sciences?
< 1382651623 222452 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was the last time you saw a bio paper on arxiv
< 1382651628 625110 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than when i linked one earlier.
< 1382651650 854166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno
< 1382651670 956466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the crabputer count as a bio paper
< 1382651684 771699 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the crabputer is in a league of its own
< 1382651709 19150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sidesteps all categories
< 1382651799 425962 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the crabputer is the epitome of interdisciplinary science
< 1382652007 387410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Related to an earlier topic: http://morphcat.de/blog/?do=se&e=8
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< 1382652495 204750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :]
< 1382652541 979204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : wow good bracketing me. <-- fixed it
< 1382652621 80508 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the quote
< 1382652678 401794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no quote. nothing to see here. move on.
< 1382652712 998869 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
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< 1382653657 405445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wow good bracketing me." -- Bike
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< 1382656561 922172 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mutters at Pokemon...
< 1382656582 191276 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friend Safari Ditto is hard.
< 1382656997 254600 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382657020 346543 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I run the Ruby interpreter, myname?
< 1382657069 578829 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're using irc as a substitute for google
< 1382657075 188783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't do that
< 1382657087 908857 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1382657104 683482 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: well, with ruby? :D
< 1382657121 54415 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes a file as argument
< 1382657126 877503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :man ruby
< 1382657128 192619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :man irb
< 1382657134 318684 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I don't know how to run a Ruby program.
< 1382657143 715881 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what, I'll Google it.
< 1382657146 298294 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB
< 1382657151 591500 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a shebang, so basically ./foo should work
< 1382657163 633484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: istr he uses windows
< 1382657166 417181 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ./foo after you chmod +x foo
< 1382657171 978153 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh
< 1382657174 370790 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1382657190 861266 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely if it's on windows it has a shitty gui version
< 1382657192 764722 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: i tried your hello world, it works
< 1382657212 414560 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1382657219 44882 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be right back.
< 1382657232 362072 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1382657250 14310 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382657268 395735 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think this is the first time i've seen a major difference between ntsc and pal
< 1382657289 592772 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't SSBM have a bunch of fiddly little differences between the two
< 1382657298 923634 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am kinda disappointed with my fibonacci solution
< 1382657305 980061 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should work smaller
< 1382657371 5067 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad, mariolang does not have a "skip the following command, no matter what"
< 1382657822 98589 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I downloaded the interpreter and version 2.0.0 of Ruby at http://rubyinstaller.org/downloads/ . What now?
< 1382657896 378150 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1382658072 795444 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit, i accidentally got vim to have multiple frames.
< 1382658186 364110 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23, you realise we're probably all running linux here
< 1382658196 163035 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least those of us prepared to help you with ruby
< 1382658201 587916 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 7.
< 1382658206 131216 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my OS.
< 1382658217 182663 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about that
< 1382658239 510219 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.editrocket.com/articles/ruby_windows.html
< 1382658288 709535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :here i googled it for you
< 1382658367 914511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hunch that's not going to work exactly as given.
< 1382658390 385975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: i think it might be best to open a command prompt window, anyway.
< 1382658440 707437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i always find it awkward to get to the right directory for things from there...
< 1382658461 755130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is using windows, but hasn't tried ruby on it.
< 1382658478 602910 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.105 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382658504 387253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the ruby installer has put ruby in the PATH, things will be easier.
< 1382658565 443004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you then should only need to type "ruby nameofmyname'sinterpreter yourmariolangprogram"
< 1382658568 883670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1382658586 532908 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ruby.exe file is is C:\Ruby200\bin
< 1382658601 898700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can prepend that, then.
< 1382658680 286970 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How?
< 1382658681 740798 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382658704 938525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :C:\Ruby200\bin\ruby.exe, almost as in Phantom_Hoover's link
< 1382658735 888391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need a command prompt first.
< 1382658747 927149 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmd.exe, I;m familiar with it.
< 1382658756 246119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good.
< 1382658793 641210 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "No such file or directory", though.
< 1382658831 827037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you do what?
< 1382658858 229091 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I type in "C:\Ruby200\bin\ruby.exe mariolang.rb HelloWorld.m"
< 1382658866 650598 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mariolang.rb is the interpreter
< 1382658873 936471 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1382658876 39560 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HelloWorld.m is the program.
< 1382658898 667748 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have changed directory to wherever your files are, right
< 1382658909 590300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be necessary.
< 1382658911 421473 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1382658924 250892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: what does the "dir" command show
< 1382658924 678792 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said you were familiar with the command prompt.
< 1382658941 318045 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I didn't know about the command dir.
< 1382658947 565804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1382658955 468287 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1382658970 600817 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23, you can give filenames as relative or absolute
< 1382658971 821860 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for future reference: you are not familiar with the command prompt
< 1382658977 360757 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says the directory of C:\Users\Owner
< 1382658998 140714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :on windows absolute filenames start with drive letters like C:, anything else is relative
< 1382659001 811022 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to cd to whereever your files are
< 1382659007 966864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: are the files you want to run in there too?
< 1382659032 14592 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :relative filenames are stuck on the end of whatever the output of dir is
< 1382659037 726182 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no. They are in C:\Ruby200\bin
< 1382659044 523644 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo
< 1382659045 280591 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :l
< 1382659047 761809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1382659073 773711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: i'm not talking about the ruby interpreter itself, but the mariolang interpreter and mariolang program.
< 1382659075 702497 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23, you want to cd there and also put your own code somewhere that isn't there in future
< 1382659091 725968 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are in C:\Ruby200\bin . I moved them there.
< 1382659112 444278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: ok then cd C:\Ruby200\bin
< 1382659122 657905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't actually put them there, that directory is for the ruby implementation
< 1382659135 121798 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what? I took Phantom's advice and moved them back.
< 1382659157 19799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK now cd to wherever that is
< 1382659164 941052 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C:\Users\Owner\Desktop\Josiah's stuff\Esoteric Programming Languages\MarioLANG
< 1382659291 993158 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works now. Thanks!
< 1382659296 349610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1382659299 400704 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to test some more.
< 1382659323 665201 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which reminds me, I have to rework my Fibonacci loop.
< 1382659340 243938 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am doing a really pretty one right now
< 1382659426 843996 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's done
< 1382659430 980730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: if you do echo %PATH% , does the result contain C:\Ruby200\bin ? if so you can just write ruby instead of the whole filename.
< 1382659471 350645 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1382659476 857427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent.
< 1382659495 75865 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, perfect...Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahav!
< 1382659501 527434 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for that.
< 1382659508 667002 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: take a look at the talk page
< 1382659528 517425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey maniackal laughters are not done enough here. also:
< 1382659531 55782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mad
< 1382659532 984852 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."
< 1382659544 307351 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice, myname!
< 1382659574 382486 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i cannot get it any smaller
< 1382659584 448555 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23, you might also want to try dragging files from the file manager to the command line, sometimes that fills in the pathname for you but IDK if windows does it
< 1382659584 883624 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382659598 650156 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S'OK.
< 1382659636 446916 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: fade away
< 1382659646 329985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: works for me
< 1382659663 338037 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is horribly slow, though
< 1382659665 513367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also thanks, i didn't know that
< 1382659689 718714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i dragged from the desktop, but probably same thing.
< 1382659707 314408 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took 15 seconds to calculate 10946
< 1382659744 770661 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket, Chicken, or Guile?
< 1382659749 194608 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gather that Guile is more interactive than the other two, but the other two generally have more libraries. explicit/implicit renaming seems [Chicken] seems... almost too simple.
< 1382659762 402725 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is it just me, or is there something of a war in the Scheme community between PLT and everyone else?
< 1382659765 772142 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.105 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1382659778 815061 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am going to make some nice debugger in hopefully not so far future
< 1382659880 663241 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of VisualMarioLANG.
< 1382659896 221388 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can actually see Mario as he's going through the level.
< 1382659898 296711 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with .net integration?
< 1382659912 461529 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean interactive?
< 1382659929 289366 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only interaction is the program inputted.
< 1382659934 102480 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the input it asks for.
< 1382659991 816237 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1382660009 625455 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just makes Mario so you can see him instead of you coding him blind.
< 1382660010 506294 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, my interpreter doesn't really respect walls as walls :D
< 1382660025 454745 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why you little...
< 1382660031 806666 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. +|: will just output 1
< 1382660056 81188 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will fix that
< 1382660068 150243 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. It's starting to give me a rash.
< 1382660100 826775 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun, i am going to sleep now
< 1382660104 152777 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully
< 1382660107 349019 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382660166 831095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: it's not fair to make rash judgements.
< 1382660247 908324 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha ha, very funny, oerjan.
< 1382660256 180321 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not fair to make rash judgements.
< 1382660279 542665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo it's not fair to make rash judgements.
< 1382660279 687986 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not fair to make rash judgements. it's not fair to make rash judgements.
< 1382660376 950740 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The truth machines do not work.
< 1382660402 50345 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1382660412 416922 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Rexx... interesting in any way?
< 1382660436 212631 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: which one?
< 1382660460 800160 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of them.
< 1382660467 859175 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just take input forever.
< 1382660627 443695 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :STDIN.read may be the problem
< 1382660630 537185 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, my countdown program displays a Mars astrology symbol instead of boom, although it does the countdown just fine.
< 1382660771 698477 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code doesn't look like it's supposed to BOOM
< 1382660781 751565 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you print 13, which should be a newline
< 1382660782 164881 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind, I'll change it.
< 1382660785 353548 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two times
< 1382660791 975536 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then 11
< 1382660799 828810 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know what that is
< 1382660879 136476 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: the problem of the truth machine is located
< 1382660946 532373 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The countdown equates to ++++++++++>++++++++++[.-<.>]+++++++[<++++++++>-]<.+++++++++++++..--. in BF.
< 1382660993 416047 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea: BrainFunc. Brainfuck with definable functions that are defined by characters.
< 1382661012 450334 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, my friend says BFGUI would be amazing, where you define the color of the pixel by memory
< 1382661012 595496 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, what is the problem with the truth machine(s)?
< 1382661029 449037 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: change STDIN.read to STDIN.gets
< 1382661039 469243 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, not my fault?
< 1382661043 805462 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1382661048 352136 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it.
< 1382661059 153759 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll change the code. You do the same thing and reupload it.
< 1382661068 819893 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pushed
< 1382661187 631451 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's test the truth machine now.
< 1382661227 219961 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :works here
< 1382661253 896484 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not here.
< 1382661261 884873 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens?
< 1382661350 217321 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind, I redownloaded, and it works great.
< 1382661395 709714 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's test the cat programs.
< 1382661403 760064 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works
< 1382661413 137041 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it.
< 1382661423 524571 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any more programs in need of testing?
< 1382661433 137451 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i know of
< 1382661439 814892 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and your Fibonacci program works great!
< 1382661440 462381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :drlemon: have you seen http://esolangs.org/wiki/Paintfuck%2B
< 1382661485 877761 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and there is no interpreter. It is an excellent idea, though.
< 1382661486 231787 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically does (a, b, 0) -> (a+b, 0, b) -> (0, a+b, b) -> (b, a+b, 0)
< 1382661487 383307 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there was a language that was brainfuck, but each character was any word of a certain length. It had a wiki article, but i can't recall the name
< 1382661508 549352 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wordf**k?
< 1382661515 552432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one can remember all the brainfuck derivatives
< 1382661553 931410 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course not.
< 1382661558 625945 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Derpcode,
< 1382661565 907208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: there is plain Paintfuck though
< 1382661567 864993 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boolf**k,
< 1382661593 745639 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I know that there is plain PF, and I know the interpreter for that, but wouldn't it be nice if there were colors?
< 1382661603 833950 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: now enjoy exploring the wonderful world of mariolang
< 1382661606 617195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pointing out.
< 1382661628 86587 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, I will make a 99 Bottles of Beer program.
< 1382661645 265212 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be a dread to chart, though. I'll need help shortening it.
< 1382661690 752503 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a simple was would be long paths for the strings to print
< 1382661801 762129 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will start.
< 1382661842 837917 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was wordfuck, thanks
< 1382662000 466155 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an obligatory brainfuck interpreter should be possible
< 1382662085 54402 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait
< 1382662103 280865 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems pretty hard, actually
< 1382662158 732861 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot think of a way to do "move mmemory pointer to cell x"
< 1382662591 377665 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PART :#esoteric
< 1382662651 647867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: just convert one of the bf self-interpreters.
< 1382662703 123828 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is changing the code
< 1382662709 126146 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to interpret it
< 1382662732 985855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, no.
< 1382662750 520234 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1382662754 419275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you convert a bf self-interpreter to mariolang, you get a bf interpreter in mariolang.
< 1382662774 729135 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1382662789 783132 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds about right
< 1382662909 695615 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i just noticed that termbox bindings for ruby doesn't seem to be that great
< 1382663133 877734 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: i have great ideas on how to improve the language
< 1382663183 745313 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How?
< 1382663220 162115 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought of making the whole floor destroyable blocks
< 1382663243 995300 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. if you jump at it from below it will be removed and you are able to change execution
< 1382663334 295711 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Maybe there can be a floor block just for that.
< 1382663362 84169 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, this is already confusing, the 99 Bottles.
< 1382663363 380358 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1382663569 984830 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1382663803 863346 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help im having trouble figuring out how to use youtube
< 1382663818 29633 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? What are you having trouble with?
< 1382663856 307762 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figuring out if I can buy a payment-required YouTube video for someone else
< 1382663877 1450 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1382663885 911129 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I can't help you there.
< 1382663891 181107 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382663900 234911 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never got to s payment required YouTube video.
< 1382663908 284643 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*got to A
< 1382663919 951334 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, why are websites able to detect whether Incognito is in use?
< 1382663933 516287 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you mean how?
< 1382663971 152341 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, do sites do that
< 1382663984 475130 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they really don't.
< 1382664004 28886 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be honest, things got weird when Sgeo said "help im having trouble figuring out how to use youtube".
< 1382664015 308885 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, who can't USE YouTube?
< 1382664029 238853 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Figuring out if I can buy a payment-required YouTube video for someone else" cleared it up.
< 1382664034 469702 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: when I try to watch the video in Incognito, it says "Incognito mode is not supported for playback. Please use a non-incognito browser window."
< 1382664039 491957 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to sgeo, i guess
< 1382664046 658024 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what makes you think that's on youtube's side
< 1382664068 700006 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1382664077 588178 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incognito works for me on Chrome!
< 1382664086 138886 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The video playback works fine.
< 1382664099 819064 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a pay-for video, i assume he means
< 1382664107 630298 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1382664116 526526 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never got to one, so...
< 1382664118 973536 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yeah.
< 1382664148 889033 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only fools pay for things. fuck capitalism. fuck money. live
< 1382664193 28161 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My goal is to watch the video in question with someone else using a synchtube clone
< 1382664204 136208 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have reason to believe it will work if we both own the video
< 1382664614 650661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :science: always in need of funding.
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< 1382664840 820422 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need help with a 99 Bottles program, so volunteer on the wiki.
< 1382664844 463265 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm out!
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< 1382664886 49412 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're out
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< 1382665918 722185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube has pay videos now?
< 1382665921 154354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the world coming to
< 1382665945 632373 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've been able to buy movies for like, over a year...
< 1382665983 150714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't
< 1382665986 535091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I haven't known about it!
< 1382666041 369411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the fact that every day I make google searches like "boardwalk empire s04e07 torrent" has clued googletube into the fact that I'm not interested in paying for content
< 1382666059 375040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand I've bought a fair amount of music through Google Play
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< 1382667795 257475 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://archive.org/details/historicalsoftware
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< 1382671025 767159 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap Microsoft Flight Simulator is ancient?
< 1382671105 984940 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, i knew it was old but not that it predated windows.
< 1382671119 786138 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus, apple ii
< 1382671121 698440 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382671260 145974 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see the peter pan game
< 1382671292 181533 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdVPp6HccTY
< 1382671356 998652 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You drew a mouse with your mouse!
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< 1382671410 615240 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ship winston and jazz
< 1382671626 295258 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:41da:542e:4379:a182 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1382672694 218900 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/8NrKrrd9 can anyone solve this puzzle
< 1382672717 921898 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1382672743 408271 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it;s encrypted
< 1382672768 160928 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382672800 88144 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ralist
< 1382672801 430471 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ralist: not found
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< 1382673162 585426 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://eprint.iacr.org/2013/346.pdf
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< 1382673251 455549 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what this says.
< 1382673273 478632 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a thing where they cracked ECDSA on a smartcard
< 1382673288 964397 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by using power analysis to get the low bits of each nonce used in the algorithm
< 1382673306 937861 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then making an algorithm to use that to get the key I think? I'm not entirely sure >_<
< 1382673361 166832 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :power analysis meaning like, sidechannel?
< 1382673402 646409 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1382673421 168474 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dag
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< 1382676013 571744 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would a function language where you're discouraged from using identity directly be like?
< 1382676085 686797 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1376474_10151598855976923_133257084_n.jpg
< 1382676541 846541 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1382676838 806210 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1382676898 856313 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1382677562 848013 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :($ $define! a-drastic-thought "One special form instead of zero -- alternatively, two kinds of sexprs, instead of one. One kind of combiner, instead of 2. Whether treated as applicative or operative depends on the form embedded in ($ or no $). No more accidentally exposing internals to operatives when expecting applicatives. Probably drastic deviations from Kernel needed to make workable. How do ($ ...) forms look as a sexpr to things that
< 1382677562 993500 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get passed them?"
< 1382677584 458516 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382677830 146184 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1382678778 107057 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe ($ ...) is an olist
< 1382678814 460910 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(olist 1 (+ 1 2)) == ($ 1 3)
< 1382678829 734914 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382678929 737311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, it's still 926
< 1382678960 557246 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1382679109 707529 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1382679110 798588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::★)
< 1382679862 919223 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:41da:542e:4379:a182 QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout: 1337 seconds
< 1382680389 64004 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382680659 894796 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1382680844 594329 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to write a C(++) program. It should embed an R(6/7)RS Scheme interpreter
< 1382680889 751725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@arr 6/7 arr s
< 1382680889 923351 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye Aye Cap'n
< 1382680990 958724 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382681616 803343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[3112078.456689] cdc_acm 1-2:1.1: This device cannot do calls on its own. It is not a modem.
< 1382681622 693555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will not go to space today
< 1382681652 896855 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382682015 925694 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1382682127 911844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: conal's talk today about parallel scans was good
< 1382682155 786662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where was it
< 1382682161 855834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mountain view
< 1382682173 837374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :here are the slides: http://conal.net/talks/understanding-parallel-scan.pdf
< 1382682179 495880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a lot of the talk was talking
< 1382682292 852917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked the thing about bottom-up trees and nonregular types and all that
< 1382682364 303165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what this non-regular freemonadish business is about
< 1382683391 818513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What's new in Google Voice: ... Added warning when attempting to send text messages to 911"
< 1382687184 740115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382688133 269515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that was scary/confusing for a while
< 1382688157 166931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to log onto the University computer system, and discovered my home directory didn't exist
< 1382688172 263819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it turned out that I'd connected via the teaching proxy out of habit, rather than the research proxy
< 1382688178 302787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and given that I'm not teaching any more…
< 1382689557 568295 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.145 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382689910 957139 :callforjudgement!~ais523@147.188.254.211 QUIT :Changing host
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< 1382690836 644403 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1382690970 221672 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1382691611 864855 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
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< 1382695751 673395 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382697616 568326 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is simultaneously trivial and quite hard to do GEDCOM in Haskell
< 1382697623 535668 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because GEDCOM is pretty much a huge ADT
< 1382697628 159030 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a really huuuuge one
< 1382697843 122680 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it with you and genealogy
< 1382697857 933685 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows
< 1382697875 796988 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it with you and that thing you're into
< 1382698521 403374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You must call TIC without an output argument before calling TOC without an input argument."
< 1382698612 141285 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that sounds suspiciously on-topic
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< 1382701375 614035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: No, no, it's just MATLAB.
< 1382701388 379829 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I said
< 1382701660 742233 :carado!~user4539@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1382706694 471264 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com NICK :`^_^v
< 1382707109 746135 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life is scary :(
< 1382707150 64234 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanello.
< 1382707155 931860 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? what happened?
< 1382707188 458286 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not eating very well
< 1382707242 296994 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not very good at telling myself "Now is when you eat"
< 1382707446 816498 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do we say "Turing complete" and not "Church complete"?
< 1382707536 952494 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :always eating, never eating, or eating the wrong things?
< 1382707548 862970 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second
< 1382707821 118514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382708291 817243 :Mawu!52f36e9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.243.110.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi !
< 1382708308 361584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Mawu
< 1382708313 838330 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :08M06aw10u: 08Welcome to13 the i14nternatio08nal hub f10or esot05eri05c program07mi09ng 04language design 14and 08de03pl08o10yment! For more02 informa10tio09n, check out our 14wik02i: http://esolangs.03org/wiki/Main_Page. 11(For the ot08her kind of 12e04soterica, try 11#03es05oteric o04n irc10.dal.net.)
< 1382708326 107337 :Mawu!52f36e9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.243.110.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone available for some clarifications on whitespace ? :-)
< 1382708328 303634 :Mawu!52f36e9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.243.110.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks !
< 1382708346 212240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i don't particularly know whitespace, but maybe
< 1382708403 316509 :Mawu!52f36e9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.243.110.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to write a simple tool in cpp that takes a string as parameter and output a whitespace script that output the string
< 1382708428 859197 :Mawu!52f36e9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.243.110.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric : But I'm having some trouble understanding the correct syntaxe of the PUSH (Space Space Tab [Number])
< 1382708505 577273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i see no Tab in the spec
< 1382708513 441526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in the tutorial
< 1382708524 439930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the tutoripec.
< 1382708533 334171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a combination tutorial-spec.)
< 1382708547 168046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess. since i found no other spec.
< 1382708569 270802 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that word should be homologated. I think the coffeescript docs do that.
< 1382708583 55828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as i read it, it should be [Space Space [Number]]
< 1382708707 60332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it seems from the examples that the [Number] is in binary, with the initial 0=Space obligatory.
< 1382708753 503362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. push 11 is [Space][Space][Space][Tab][Space][Tab][Tab][LF]
< 1382708766 617758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The initial space is the sign.
< 1382708772 219330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1382708781 876367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The sign of a number is given by its first character, [Space] for positive and [Tab] for negative."
< 1382708798 355220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the problem with tutoripecs, they're not always terribly well organized for a reference work.
< 1382708832 704303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, i was confused because there was no table with the number syntax
< 1382708868 157763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mawu: anyway, that's it, then [Space] [Space] [sign] [number in binary] [LF]
< 1382708886 107517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sign=Space if positive.
< 1382708970 428625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Many commands require numbers or labels as parameters. Numbers can be any number of bits wide, and are simply represented as a series of [Space] and [Tab], terminated by a [LF]. [Space] represents the binary digit 0, [Tab] represents 1. The sign of a number is given by its first character, [Space] for positive and [Tab] for negative. Note that this is not twos complement, it just indicates a sign."
< 1382708976 899424 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about labels' unicity? are they converted to numbers first, or is e.g. 0001 different from 1?
< 1382708978 359742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the relevant part.
< 1382708996 658491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: not as i read it.
< 1382709014 36376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, they're sequences of spaces and tabs, not numbers.
< 1382709025 288833 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. just sequences.
< 1382709044 508745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Labels are simply [LF] terminated lists of spaces and tabs. There is only one global namespace so all labels must be unique."
< 1382709220 299925 :Mawu!52f36e9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.243.110.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You guys are the best
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< 1382709247 108081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1382709365 551557 :Mawu!52f36e9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.243.110.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So to push 'H' (72 - 1001000) on the stack it would be : S S T (push) S (positive sign) T S S T S S S (1001000) ?
< 1382709389 484013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mawu: there is no T in the push command
< 1382709409 192797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need a final LF.
< 1382709452 363191 :Mawu!52f36e9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.243.110.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, my bad
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< 1382709472 597528 :Mawu!52f36e9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.243.110.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, the push is only a space
< 1382709486 857959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that should be it
< 1382709505 456896 :Mawu!52f36e9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.243.110.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and forgot a leading 0, no ?
< 1382709516 709625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mawu: no, that was my mistake.
< 1382709522 248671 :Mawu!52f36e9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.243.110.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok
< 1382709522 652149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know about the sign.
< 1382709556 281033 :Mawu!52f36e9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.243.110.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cause on the whitespace tutorial it said that PUSH 1 is : S S S T LF
< 1382709605 616212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i was reading those examples too, but i misinterpreted it because there were no negative ones.
< 1382709740 578292 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382709743 585415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://pastebin.com/8NrKrrd9 can anyone solve this puzzle <-- are you Mafingre and ban evading
< 1382709763 480936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also idle
< 1382709805 884347 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382710137 442101 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is Mafingre one of the ion-lickers?
< 1382710148 152150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so
< 1382710181 980508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's the guy who spams encryption puzzles
< 1382710213 634432 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some weird people out there...
< 1382710217 182877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to several channels
< 1382710950 738666 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382711800 186649 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:bc0c:dbda:ff27:7ab JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382712714 370468 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I allowed to nominate another language to be featured?
< 1382712795 688593 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382712899 652711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes, see talk page.
< 1382712924 244105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i interpret that as yes.)
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< 1382713191 2154 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan why the ocular suffering?
< 1382713191 147668 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1382716483 347631 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1382716486 710567 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1382717873 530186 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382719196 130837 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382719385 904946 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup
< 1382719422 743761 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've almost finished the first season of Supernatural
< 1382719429 737835 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1382719487 143603 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I'm going to make something to eat
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< 1382719539 370330 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382719629 354614 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm paying someone to make me eats
< 1382719993 279195 :Uguubee111118!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Quit: Uguubee111118
< 1382719997 363103 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know any good free ssh app for apple's iDevices?
< 1382720000 364493 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading keats
< 1382720020 328479 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1382720054 148254 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-109-193-171-052.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382720057 361841 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382720069 900816 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382720091 205270 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fungot is wrong with my system. back from lunch, and kernel panic.
< 1382720091 521409 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/ fnord nice rating :) see ya, and thank you for your help
< 1382720092 426392 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i used one once, it think.
< 1382720103 643706 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily!
< 1382720109 450550 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: wrapped!
< 1382720118 924433 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrapped?
< 1382720124 243676 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrapped.
< 1382720138 904812 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382720141 262017 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, paper, colours, stuff, wrapped.
< 1382720164 379193 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1382720171 394623 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrapped and shipped?
< 1382720207 218427 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you shall receive it shortly.
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< 1382720409 804802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in approximately 8.5days in fact
< 1382720418 704762 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that is when i shall arrive
< 1382720421 290683 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :at home
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< 1382720494 711329 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :home is where the fungot is, or something like that.
< 1382720494 883437 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: on plt scheme...
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< 1382720503 510042 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I don't care about plt scheme.
< 1382720503 891261 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ( new-if t 3 7)) can also be formulated using the fnord fnord alphabet! 8d things i'm interested in scheme-to-forth compilation as well; i don't know c++
< 1382720526 944416 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is the fnord fnord alphabet related to tocharian B?
< 1382720527 246855 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: niec thing about mzscheme is how easy it is
< 1382720552 978553 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i'll let mz know his scheme is so easy
< 1382720553 226122 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: open discussion about all things seems to change upon context... for instance
< 1382720574 502070 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, good thing this discussion is CLOSED
< 1382720577 210972 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, Captain Fungobvious.
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< 1382720666 912094 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: remind me, are you -98 or -93?
< 1382720667 162845 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ( because we got bored and wandered off.
< 1382720677 70012 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, someone else?
< 1382720717 433730 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's a fizzie when you need one?
< 1382720742 885375 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie ♪
< 1382720793 985880 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a great idea with some other folks for a new esolang the other day
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< 1382720815 780438 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :with safety of C, the concision of Java, and the logic of PHP
< 1382720894 368376 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382721009 120219 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it called c++?
< 1382721031 348236 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: great
< 1382721282 28780 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: no. C++ has strong typing. this uses PHP-style typing. you can specify new types by giving their size explicitly. there is no pass-by-reference or name, just value. if you want to pass a function, you need to declare a type as big as the function, allocate enough memory to contain the function, and pass the entire block of memory containing the function. slightly safer than C i guess since there's no pointers.
< 1382721314 139312 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mix in haskell and use lazy evaluation for everything
< 1382721334 893518 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: also, implicit casting with strange comparison operators
< 1382721347 662436 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: like i said, the logic of PHP
< 1382721386 700397 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, for added safety, all functions have explicit logical contracts, assertions that must hold, else runtime error
< 1382721394 707924 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(all errors are runtime errors)
< 1382721405 217558 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, every function should take at most 2 arguments
< 1382721441 452833 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :all functions take one argument: a Dictionary
< 1382721480 804798 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, dictionary? that's too much like keyword arguments... maybe you could permute the function arguments of every function call in some way that depends on the call site?
< 1382721482 410100 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does not clutter your global namespace as much
< 1382721504 885936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 98.
< 1382721507 197730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1382721507 343102 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
< 1382721530 393926 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: instead of f(a,b,c,d) you have to call f(a,(b,c,d)) which calls g(b,(c,d)) which calls h(c,d)
< 1382721559 464263 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION subtly enfizzies the wisdom repo
< 1382721644 9345 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you have to allocate and construct the dictionary explicitly before every call. very Safe.
< 1382721678 620104 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dictionary is just like keyword arguments though, it's excessively clear what goes where
< 1382721690 489308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I accidentally marked the email announcing that as deleted, the subject line looked so spammy.
< 1382721729 149089 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the dictionary allows only numerical keys
< 1382721823 904777 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: suggestion from someone: implement exceptions but do not make stack unwielding
< 1382721851 876049 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would exceptions even be implemented with that kind of system?
< 1382721852 871070 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh we had this figured out already
< 1382721864 100977 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see
< 1382721869 191981 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :every function must explicitly declare a handler function for every possible exception
< 1382721885 195048 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no "throwing up the handler hierarchy"
< 1382721920 501974 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :too easy to abuse exception hierarchies
< 1382721970 715442 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :throwing exceptions up is too traditional. you need to be able to throw exceptions sideways.
< 1382722002 557739 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :throwing an exception makes a different thread handle it while the thrower just keeps charging along
< 1382722021 731099 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swallowing exceptions down
< 1382722022 641747 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooh... ☺
< 1382722028 556679 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I love you.
< 1382722041 981051 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love you too
< 1382722121 393192 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :alos there are classesm but there's no protected/private/public stuff. every method and field explicitly references which other classes are allowed to use it. it's Fully General and Very Safe.
< 1382722151 689788 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: with explicit “throws SomeException” à la Java, you could pile exception onto exception onto exception in callees' scopes :D
< 1382722213 865352 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lexical cereal scoop
< 1382722231 808800 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible that I am hungry
< 1382722239 432269 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than that. every field and method has both blacklists and whitelists of which classes can use it. if a class is not on one of the two lists, that is a runtime error
< 1382722294 906022 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my hunger, this sounds like crossing a compiler ir with jvm bytecode
< 1382722466 363473 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an “ir”?
< 1382722474 442872 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :intermediate representation
< 1382722507 791073 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck ir
< 1382722508 454950 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ir definition: information retrieval.
< 1382722530 591568 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No coincidence.
< 1382722705 748944 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your class system needs to be more modular. Allow inner class definitions. However, classes can only refer to their inner classes, as any other access would violate encapsulation. This makes actual code reuse impossible.
< 1382722758 705431 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you can reuse code. copypasta!
< 1382723212 686983 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also use macros or templates to generate copies of code
< 1382723262 78629 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This can be alleviated if you introduce a language feature called something like "generics", but you don't have time to implement that just yet.
< 1382723281 394498 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be something insaner than templates.
< 1382723360 159813 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is well-known for its builtin template system - just use ?> to nest a block of code that prints code to put in the outer program
< 1382723448 65276 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1382723549 168709 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382723588 252829 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382723685 121537 :Uguubee111118!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382723917 731290 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making my own MarioLANG 99 Bottles program that WORKS. Still working on the BF.
< 1382724141 503897 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting
< 1382724155 197462 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382724196 991960 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1382724217 389023 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1382724354 189801 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1382724404 988589 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one is talking.
< 1382724411 79829 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a first for me.
< 1382724413 652146 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone else?
< 1382724441 187092 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION singularly stays subtly stoic, so silent...
< 1382724463 502433 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, how do you make messages say stuff like that?
< 1382724468 193958 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like without your name?
< 1382724473 655577 :avid!~fuhQ@uncommon.pw PRIVMSG #esoteric : /me
< 1382724477 232720 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least not the one in <>
< 1382724495 851844 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries out the trick...
< 1382724520 266883 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thanks avid for finding another time-waster
< 1382724524 647239 :avid!~fuhQ@uncommon.pw PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1382724567 43577 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know what avid means by a "nod"
< 1382724577 272046 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What feeling does it convey?
< 1382724628 676246 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :acknowledgement
< 1382724660 999070 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: don't listen to Bike. it's a kind of bird.
< 1382724666 580823 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm almost done with the beginning of the BF 99 Bottles program to convert to MarioLANG.
< 1382724681 635983 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lies to public...
< 1382724689 243058 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost done!
< 1382724828 379710 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, almost done...with the setup.
< 1382725286 299293 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :your work ethic is far too good to be a true esolanger!
< 1382725320 818640 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's very hard! I just started a few minutes ago.
< 1382725432 914400 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 'proof' of sumamoito's turing-completeness on the wiki is still a reference to the IRC logs of me and elliott sketching out an interpreter for BCT
< 1382725643 108270 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done the setup.
< 1382725646 90748 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here it is.
< 1382725646 895037 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>>>++++++++++[<++++++++++>-]>+++++++++[<+++++++++++>-]>++++[<++++++++>-]>+++++++[<++++++++++++++>-]>>++++[<++++++++>-]+>++++++++++[<+++++++++++>-]>+++++++[<++++++++++++++>-]>>++++[<++++++++>-]+>++++++++++[<+++++++++++>-]>++++++++[<+++++++++++++>-]++++++++++>>>+++++++[<++++++++++++>-]+>++++++++[<++++++++++++>-]>++++[<++++++++>-]+>++++++++++[<+++++++++++>-]>++++[<+++++++++++>-]++++++++++>>+>+++++++[<++++++++++>-]+>++++++++++[<++++
< 1382725661 181879 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, there is more.
< 1382725672 81744 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently 535 is over the IRC limit for lines.
< 1382725703 310049 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1382725712 871511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :use sprunge.us or whatever if you need to move more code
< 1382725719 624894 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1382725723 417338 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :...actually don't use sprunge because its for unix
< 1382725733 266861 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :use some pastebin
< 1382725736 272769 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly you need to make the program shorter.
< 1382725737 139313 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like http://bpaste.net/
< 1382725762 391418 :yours_truly!~yours@bas2-hamilton02-1176215184.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1382725763 663599 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :long live pastebin.ca!
< 1382725773 842116 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/143835/
< 1382725812 73558 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good ending
< 1382725869 49320 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is supposed to go to cell 3.
< 1382726089 122512 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382726121 129391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: Made a brainfuck convert-o-matic: http://sprunge.us/KTUd
< 1382726161 131746 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, it's practically the same
< 1382726195 809966 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, post the download link.
< 1382726195 955489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to work for 99 bottles, too.
< 1382726204 141925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not quite anywhere yet.
< 1382726210 438165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll need to put it somewhere.
< 1382726227 597542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprunge links time out a bit too fast, which is a shame.
< 1382726232 998867 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I usually do .m instead of .mario
< 1382726238 481831 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a bother?
< 1382726245 751238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a standard extension.
< 1382726266 410950 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: .m usually is some objective-C code.
< 1382726278 657184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: MATLAB, you peasant.
< 1382726287 153959 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just make it .smb
< 1382726298 934069 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I SHUN MATLAB.
< 1382726334 970551 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i do think you could make it more compact if you alternate directions on loops
< 1382726340 685426 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e.
< 1382726345 157463 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aa[bb]cc
< 1382726353 947991 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to something like
< 1382726361 308348 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aa[!
< 1382726365 19134 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :===#
< 1382726377 534460 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bb
< 1382726388 739633 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric : =="
< 1382726394 830063 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> !
< 1382726396 67075 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:2:
< 1382726396 212512 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched ...
< 1382726401 370411 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye
< 1382726404 783744 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :===#
< 1382726410 216133 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cc <
< 1382726415 81902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems like work.
< 1382726416 966629 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=====
< 1382726422 734483 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get the idea?
< 1382726436 956331 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, insert missing [
< 1382726462 924464 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will need preparsing for that
< 1382726490 754014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose, but to reiterate, sounds a bit like work.
< 1382726523 245938 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the BF-MarioLANG thing, it works for nested loops?
< 1382726523 442525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wondering where to put this.
< 1382726524 71291 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think the trickiest part is to get the width you can use
< 1382726533 625776 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382726554 170456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: It works for 99bob, which has some nested loops, so presumably.
< 1382726560 674540 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is a quine POSSIBLE in MarioLANG?
< 1382726573 366146 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.116 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382726593 287365 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: go figure!
< 1382726613 669203 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders...
< 1382726623 689219 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean, myname?
< 1382726632 348380 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go figure
< 1382726633 946524 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it
< 1382726646 405557 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt it, but i never wrote a quine ever
< 1382726653 883013 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how far I got on a BF quine?
< 1382726664 410510 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"uh you have to be able to write a quine by kleene's recursion theorem"
< 1382726691 694266 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: interesting
< 1382726804 186236 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: any idea on how mario should act if he hits a wall?
< 1382726837 3664 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe just try to walk against it
< 1382726850 564305 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with his legs moving but him staying in place
< 1382726854 397251 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, Mario should just think of a wall as a "do not pass no matter what" command.
< 1382726877 431648 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe he's smart and decides to change direction when he hits a wall
< 1382726882 497489 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: i.e. standing still and posibly repeat the active command unlimited?
< 1382726898 126341 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, myname.
< 1382726904 161642 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: that would make @ pretty useless
< 1382726905 950287 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'm thinking.
< 1382726909 482231 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you should watch Under the Dome, it has plenty of cars crashing into walls
< 1382726982 689014 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may implement that, but i think it's pretty useless
< 1382727008 339838 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I'm not WhiteWolf! I didn't put walls in the language!
< 1382727096 92069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/fis/7159823#file-bf2mario-py -- there you go.
< 1382727124 492314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, adding the 99bob examples in there was kind of a bad, because they are first in sort order.
< 1382727167 347483 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-70.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382727178 307189 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382727222 607043 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, how many columns does it have
< 1382727242 444406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only 2966.
< 1382727249 867654 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1382727263 763707 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of space for optimising
< 1382727270 537525 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1382727294 340850 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe find a smaller 99BoB?
< 1382727338 3158 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, do arrows allow Mario to fly?
< 1382727352 717366 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the arrow told me to go left, I DON'T CARE IF THERE'S NO GROUND"
< 1382727386 771739 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: actually, in my implementation they do
< 1382727387 373767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: In the existing interpreter, I believe they do.
< 1382727411 965011 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: do you consider this wrong?
< 1382727420 850061 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess that's consistent with the examples
< 1382727437 114188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: And I guess you can jump without standing, too?
< 1382727438 951793 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember Mario jumping with ^ to reach an arrow
< 1382727459 394229 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ^ alone is an infinite loop?
< 1382727459 584230 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you can
< 1382727463 482958 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1382727625 716745 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, elevators only lift to the closest on top, not to the topmost
< 1382727656 499379 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't they lift you down?
< 1382727668 658465 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can
< 1382727682 505303 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specification jut say, if it can move up, it will move up
< 1382727711 383854 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can still do something like
< 1382727713 311425 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1382727714 199134 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#
< 1382727715 525043 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1382727716 397316 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#
< 1382727734 277733 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lowest elevator will move to the " above, not the topmost one
< 1382727744 441155 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1382727745 801023 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the higher elevator will move to the topmost "
< 1382727766 207221 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1382727770 613789 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if there's a third # on top of all this
< 1382727772 459974 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the topmost " wasn't there, both will move to the " between them
< 1382727780 712774 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Mario takes it first, so it has to move down to the first "
< 1382727789 357106 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will do
< 1382727794 320837 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then Mario makes his way to the second #, will it still move up?
< 1382727806 603242 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does now
< 1382727811 179070 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it?
< 1382727812 22979 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause there's probably an elevator already occupying the upper "
< 1382727824 563530 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Mario would be crushed!
< 1382727827 640853 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not consider them occupying
< 1382727840 469365 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, imagine the following:
< 1382727841 909623 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. i assume they will move to their starting position
< 1382727850 12199 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay
< 1382727869 288861 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what you want in the bf2mario
< 1382727879 432962 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because loops would be horrible otherwise
< 1382727891 122548 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1382727953 692797 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/7zuhsdhm << so here, when Mario comes back
< 1382727962 983096 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he will just fall?
< 1382727983 853557 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know how to run the python script.
< 1382727985 640158 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess in that example that doesn't matter
< 1382728042 817073 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382728172 204999 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits.
< 1382728209 516680 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to run the python script?
< 1382728342 489345 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well do you have a python interpreter or compiler on your computer?
< 1382728343 101326 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsaically like with ruby, but with 'python' instead of 'ruby' in the command
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< 1382728535 280948 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Python 2.6.
< 1382728540 486443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: teaching by analogy
< 1382728542 305189 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it
< 1382728546 582385 :fosap2!~fosap@xdsl-87-79-58-184.netcologne.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382728610 689214 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll never catch on
< 1382728629 309675 :fosap2!~fosap@xdsl-87-79-58-184.netcologne.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. I'm looking for a JSON based language. It uses Json as a syntax as lisp uses s-expressions as syntax. I can't find it anymore
< 1382728673 937993 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll try something.
< 1382728690 450872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably would not need many changes for a 2.x Python, possibly only the print function thing.
< 1382728758 870220 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fosap2: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Myth ?
< 1382728779 587711 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind, works perfectly now that I know the syntax.
< 1382728834 150103 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, tha'ts not really like lisp at al.
< 1382728836 336419 :fosap2!~fosap@xdsl-87-79-58-184.netcologne.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No, it was pretty boring, lispy.
< 1382728845 492413 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it works.
< 1382728857 663438 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to be the only article on the site mentioning json.
< 1382728905 913660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fosap2: http://www.jsol.org/ ?
< 1382729006 532753 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, and the generated code doesn't look valid. Not for 99BoB.
< 1382729026 550100 :fosap2!~fosap@xdsl-87-79-58-184.netcologne.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes! Hooray
< 1382729041 534622 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, though.
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< 1382729535 181669 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-109-193-171-052.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
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< 1382729702 302978 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what now?
< 1382729707 196817 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explore another language?
< 1382729754 886802 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say learn French, but any language in “F” should be fine.
< 1382729801 123963 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :F#, though, that's a shitty key
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< 1382729975 607961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But functional!
< 1382730093 513158 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“#” is shitty?
< 1382730131 258750 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, f sharp. you know, g flat
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< 1382730155 530312 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: optimize the hell out of these 99 bottles
< 1382730161 52477 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we can make an interpreter for Tic Tac Toe.
< 1382730162 165907 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Tic_Tac_Toe
< 1382730196 585048 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will try to do something with the 99BoB program. Until then, I'll explore other stuff.
< 1382730243 583731 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone make an interpreter for Tic-Tac-Toe?
< 1382730249 473787 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Tic_Tac_Toe
< 1382730351 798648 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382730378 322878 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: little quick question: why the 23? it mysteriously seems to be a popular nick suffix, as with ais523.
< 1382730395 530961 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was born on January 23.
< 1382730402 989833 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my mom was born on July 23.
< 1382730456 121170 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 were you born in Undecember?
< 1382730456 306166 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382730471 223007 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should do something with http://esolangs.org/wiki/Drive-In_Window, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Pancake_Stack, and http://esolangs.org/wiki/Tic_Tac_Toe.
< 1382730489 876931 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until then, I'm on the wiki regularly, so post stuff on the talk pages.
< 1382730493 114813 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm out!
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< 1382735053 10709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was Googling for [[ "compaq presario cds633" price ]] (we had one, was trying to locate a price) -- got 5 results, of which one was from #esoteric logs.
< 1382735063 779009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably after this two of them will be.
< 1382735341 273976 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382735861 911233 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: bit late, but mario will just stay on top of the "
< 1382735869 594647 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1382735870 664726 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1382735876 975895 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he will fall
< 1382735905 635788 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 NICK :nooodl
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< 1382735962 576680 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: is that something you don't agree to? the example code in the wiki looks a lot like " are solid
< 1382736040 980437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of thought that "intuitively" the "s in the example were solid because the elevator as a whole has risen.
< 1382736057 554314 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1382736061 417113 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1382736068 558281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not the sort of thing that one'd like to implement.
< 1382736073 6981 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be pretty hard to implement in comparison
< 1382736131 896938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many corners.
< 1382736155 955394 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it would break nearly every code in the discussion that uses loops
< 1382736304 703419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many of them tend to have explicit arrows over all "s so I don't think it'd matter all that much. (Disclaimer: haven't looked at the discussion so much.)
< 1382736304 879830 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. if you assume that the elevator rises and will stay on top so you can walk over it, you could not use it another time because you would get squeezed until you bring it back down (which is pretty useless) OR you make the spot where the elevator was non-blocking which i find a bit unintuitive
< 1382736386 638109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could just move back immediately when you get off the "s. But I admit that's a bit vague.
< 1382736439 446487 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: well I had always assumed the elevator really was moving
< 1382736457 761232 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, the # and " get switched
< 1382736466 401382 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :swapped
< 1382736488 470822 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: how do you get back down? you should have a ! both on top and on bottom
< 1382736497 669538 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1382736503 981511 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weeeeeeeeell
< 1382736526 965392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it's *possible*. Especially if the elevator moves as a whole slab. It'd just make writing loops really quite annoying.
< 1382736530 927898 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would make 1-wide elevators practically useless
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< 1382736545 113561 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and interpreting it, too
< 1382736561 591283 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then we have to use 2-wide elevators
< 1382736568 149920 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may try that, but personally i do not find it very relevant
< 1382736578 329898 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but that's more realistic
< 1382736585 355931 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the elevator really moved
< 1382736588 465223 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they moved like elevators in SMB.
< 1382736605 158922 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, an infinite stream in one directionn.
< 1382736606 699340 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Realism
< 1382736614 617442 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's what i thought, too
< 1382736627 577456 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagined the " more like a point where you get off
< 1382736664 222683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how was your interpretation of walking over "s? Drops down unless there's an explicit arrow?
< 1382736716 894054 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just assumed you walk over one bar of the infinite stream
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< 1382736763 418638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably that kind of means that you'd proceed horizontally every time you enter an elevator "shaft".
< 1382736783 565835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Realism.)
< 1382736803 201185 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1382736845 937622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, like http://sprunge.us/EZPH
< 1382736866 691266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud
< 1382736866 836518 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 6h 34m 35s ago: why the ocular suffering?
< 1382736874 11386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the """s are just drop-off markers and you walk over them because you'd walk over one bar of the infinite stream, the same should logically apply to all intervening spaces.
< 1382736883 917854 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought having a ! over a # was needed because the relative speeds of the elevator and mario were unspecified
< 1382736903 308669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily i've had an unusal amount of eye strain and problems of focusing the last few days.
< 1382736903 454400 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382736926 397099 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in theory, yes, but that would make timing relevant, which is really annoying for both the coder and the interpreter
< 1382736941 567796 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if mario enters an elevator without stopping, we won't know at which altitude he walks out (and probably falls)
< 1382736955 971679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: It would not make timing any more relevant than the way you can walk across ###s and """s without moving vertically at all unless you stop in place.
< 1382737004 597787 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you say you should just "disable gravity" between " and #?
< 1382737007 493453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily right now also a slight headache, despite just sitting down at the laptop. might be connected. also i'm worried it might be because i've taken _too much_ painkillers lately.
< 1382737007 639039 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382737024 404350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I'm not saying you should, I'm just saying there's an argument to be made for that, in the name of "realism".
< 1382737086 78662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though if one went that far, a floating ! on the same height should also probably make Mario rise up.)
< 1382737091 81045 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that would be the most realistic and implementable way i can think of
< 1382737123 769236 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it shouldn't break anything existing
< 1382737142 5071 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :likely i will implement that
< 1382737211 538712 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1382737277 110111 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not disable gravity, but trigger the elevator
< 1382737292 158971 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: huh?
< 1382737295 518761 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the elevator will start moving up when you step between it and "
< 1382737307 415409 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly as if you had stepped exactly over the #
< 1382737368 712923 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so mario will either be lifted up to the ", (because he fell onto the moving-up elevator), or walk out of the column at some point (if he did not encounter a !)
< 1382737392 301038 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1382737393 261553 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382737405 834939 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall the specifications explicitly stating that the relative speeds of mario's and the elevator's were unspecified
< 1382737418 961403 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1382737423 32191 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the coder shouldn't know if mario manages to jump out of the elevator or not
< 1382737453 257690 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a great source to create randomness
< 1382737482 995583 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "unspecified" and "random" aren't exactly synonyms
< 1382737519 572968 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "unspecified" can also mean "it has a different speed whenever you move onto it"
< 1382737538 63962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the (related) existing code probably does assume you can walk over an arbitrary sequence of ###s without moving vertically at all, unless you explicitly stop.
< 1382737573 522896 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can if mario is infinitely faster than the elevator :)
< 1382737592 785658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing I was sort of wondering when writing the bf thing (it turned out to be not relevant) is whether "[ x" should skip over the x or not (if it would skip at all). It just says "next command".
< 1382737595 708922 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1382737616 388629 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what code?
< 1382737650 331762 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1382737651 765794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What "what code"?
< 1382737653 572941 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: interesting, my current implementation actually just ignores the next cell, whatever that is
< 1382737659 867770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall when making Malbolge Unshackled, i took great pains to ensure the unspecified length increase could not be relied on to be either random or not random.
< 1382737664 120457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that was to the earlier comment.
< 1382737667 944413 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the code that looks like you can walk over ###
< 1382737684 636811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*when implementing
< 1382737708 223409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, all the [! kind of things do seem to assume you can at least walk over a single # without moving up/down.
< 1382737738 288944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's about it.
< 1382737739 582359 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382737741 855214 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1382737747 686070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like there's a large body of MarioLANG code around.
< 1382737759 663120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unshackled.hs:76:9: parse error on input `<-' <-- seems it needs some updating.
< 1382737774 453973 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could say it moves the tick after you move on top of it
< 1382737787 903314 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, found a 90MB file called music.raw in a random directory
< 1382737792 533758 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what it is and which format
< 1382737859 363279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you buy the "endless stream, always in motion" argument, the official elevator example kind of assumes that you can walk over """ without anything nasty (like falling down a bit when the elevator disappears or whatever it does) happening.
< 1382737873 544027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Raw PCM tends to be quite easy to identify.
< 1382737915 387830 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, aplay -f cd did play it ... I suspect demo music, but I don't recognize it
< 1382737921 908516 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if should however make it possible to walk over any gap between " and #
< 1382737928 100991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Basically just "go with whatever sample size and endianness that gives you small numbers at the beginning/end and a reasonable-looking envelope overall".)
< 1382737928 776290 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the elevator could be there
< 1382737940 431822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL there's a wchar_t version of memmove(3), namely wmemmove(3)
< 1382738002 796645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess its semantics differ if your buffers overlap by half of a wchar_t?
< 1382738052 960885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :wchar_t * __wmemmove (s1, s2, n) wchar_t *s1; const wchar_t *s2; size_t n; { return (wchar_t *) memmove ((char *) s1, (char *) s2, n * sizeof (wchar_t)); } weak_alias (__wmemmove, wmemmove)
< 1382738056 966456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(glibc)
< 1382738064 139166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not, then
< 1382738070 90571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm slightly scared that you have libc source handy like that
< 1382738070 347840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's probably a good reason why that doesn't have a prototype.
< 1382738081 69812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called Google.
< 1382738093 900720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :glibc contains code known to the state of California to cause cancer, birth defects, and other reproductive harm
< 1382738110 715829 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I suspect two wchar_t* aren't allowed to overlap with half a wchar in general
< 1382738113 923522 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why that exists
< 1382738116 968126 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust should support a #[prop_65]; annotation
< 1382738126 842094 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :public service announcement: there is an extinct coelacanth genus called "Rebellatrix". en public service announcement
< 1382738180 333995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a byte-at-a-time left-to-right memcpy is also a correct memmove right?
< 1382738184 28828 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't rust just cause tetanus?
< 1382738195 95345 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the direction depends on where the overlap is
< 1382738201 753999 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not "just", tetanus is pretty nasty.
< 1382738216 834130 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: rust doesn't cause tetanus, tetanus does
< 1382738220 681260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh, I guess so :/
< 1382738226 336426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A correct memmove is a correct memcpy, however.
< 1382738252 348734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1382738263 753479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For all them lazy people.)
< 1382738301 203933 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i associate tetanus with stabbing myself with rusty nails. i wonder why that is
< 1382738305 797247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess memmove just copies in one direction or the other
< 1382738316 610596 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on comparing the pointers first
< 1382738319 175693 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-21-226.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 253 seconds
< 1382738325 972129 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetanus is a weird disorder btw
< 1382738335 593414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :memmove should delete the old memory, clearly. otherwise it's copying
< 1382738349 871966 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"he rust itself does not cause tetanus nor does it contain more C. tetani bacteria. The rough surface of rusty metal merely provides a prime habitat for C. tetani endospores to reside in, and the nail affords a means to puncture skin and deliver endospores deep within the body at the site of the wound." oh
< 1382738351 639131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it should just remap pages when it can
< 1382738354 943724 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the*
< 1382738365 103065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Fun fact: you can't compare the pointers in a strictly-portable-C implementation of memmove, because they might point to different objects.
< 1382738379 866639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1382738388 950008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is it possible to write memmove in strictly-portable-C?
< 1382738409 220356 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so rust doesn't /cause/ tetanus, just provides a prime habitat for (organisms which in turn generate neurotoxins which in turn generate) tetanus.
< 1382738419 266057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think it is, it just takes O(n) memory.
< 1382738422 695474 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :please factor this into #[prop_65]
< 1382738425 833550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57608585-93/is-google-building-a-hulking-floating-data-center-in-sf-bay/ they have a large barge with a radio antenna tower on it that they can charge up and discharge
< 1382738430 563912 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is memmove supposed to work across different objects?
< 1382738440 158383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, right, copy to a separate buffer first.
< 1382738444 903243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Sure, why not?
< 1382738477 948803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :memmove ought to be the default.
< 1382738486 929743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why it's the default in Rust!
< 1382738494 270472 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe to allow memmove to be implemented efficiently in pure c?
< 1382738518 827214 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps just to be asses in general and make more stuff undefined
< 1382738529 164324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "memmove -- Copies n characters from the object pointed to by s2 into the object pointed to by s1. Copying takes place as if the n characters from the object pointed to by s2 are first copied into a temporary array of n characters that does not overlap the objects blah blah blah."
< 1382738534 280581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It would be much less useful that way.
< 1382738561 806210 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that was pretty much why I suspected it might be the case
< 1382738667 524030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people might prefer there to be a third memcpy/memmove variant that's always a bytewise left-to-right copy, though, because you can do repeating things with it.
< 1382738699 499115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's a bit of a niche.
< 1382738738 560656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fixed Unshackled.hs (it just needed a couple of LANGUAGE pragmas. well probably. i didn't actually _run_ it, just compile.), for all those waiting to program it.
< 1382738758 722846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382738761 87040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you see that Rust passed issue #10,000 recently
< 1382738762 834128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 !
< 1382738766 567019 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you?
< 1382738772 519955 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hello
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< 1382738775 389131 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1382738789 867197 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am OK, do you have another question?
< 1382738804 970082 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Do you think "Rebellatrix" is a cool name.
< 1382738816 597467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Name of what?
< 1382738821 701023 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: used often enough for compression that it would probably be useful to apply some of all the work that went into memcpy on that
< 1382738828 697428 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*decompression
< 1382738833 895820 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A coelacanth genus.
< 1382738840 987097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no
< 1382738845 978809 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's a lot of issues
< 1382738869 623342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll stick with php
< 1382738912 292137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, php passed 2^16 bugs recently
< 1382738916 632192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to https://bugs.php.net/
< 1382738920 919722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I presume lot of the work (all those SSE copy things) is rather inapplicable. But I guess they could do *something* clever about it. (On the other hand, it might be a generic "memrepeat" interface, because that has more freedom for implementation perhaps.)
< 1382738939 868439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope they celebrated bug #65536.
< 1382738969 883161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bug #65536: getimagesize() returning wrong value for IMG_PNG"
< 1382738974 67035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds kind of boring.
< 1382739006 388378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thank you for taking the time to write to us, but this is not a bug."
< 1382739016 956177 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwwwww.
< 1382739027 873211 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at work we got to build 65536 just the other day
< 1382739028 653468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thank you for playing. Better luck next time!"
< 1382739035 702385 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1382739091 700330 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fun fact: the field of symbian's version thingy (we used) to put build numbers in is a signed 16-bit int)
< 1382739099 634878 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382739204 869529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: tried to run some HTK-using scripts today, and was missing a file list file, so somehow something somewhere decided to use all the files in my home directory (recursively) as the source features.
< 1382739217 674884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That included a lot of pdfs, jpegs and whatnot.
< 1382739233 894373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if it's HTK's fault or the (third-party) scripts' fault.
< 1382739255 178768 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's impressive
< 1382739296 347294 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a potentially interesting use of markov thingies, if it could manage to produce working jpegs and pdfs from it
< 1382739331 281405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, it just complained of every file that it isn't a HTK parameter file.
< 1382739337 191479 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1382739363 404975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah, my friend had the same problem (do you work at moka5.com ???)
< 1382739372 222524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: this was the basis of their rush project to switch to Git
< 1382739402 572434 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not work at moka5.com :)
< 1382739466 912047 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :we rageswitched to Git when creating branches started taking a whole day
< 1382739493 198202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :taskFiles=`ls *tmp* ` # okay, it's the third-party script.
< 1382739500 873701 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(after some time of preparing for a reasonable migration, though)
< 1382739503 755490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It managed to go to ~/tmp/ with that.)
< 1382739539 4351 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice.
< 1382739547 757530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1382739549 636236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of tmpDir=`mktemp -d -p $(dirname $scpFile)` failing and cd $tmpDir being a plain "cd", I think.
< 1382739561 230928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(scpFile is the file that wasn't there.)
< 1382739702 467765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :htkallas@spa-ws160:~$ ls
< 1382739703 392260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :C:\nppdf32Log\debuglog.txt
< 1382739707 784805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing is kind of annoying me.
< 1382739766 300622 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many commits there are in total on (e.g.) github
< 1382739786 739876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think it's a fopen("C:\\nppdf32Log\\debuglog.txt", "w"); somewhere, and their mechanism for enabling logging is for the user to make that directory, because they assume the fopen to fail if it doesn't exist.)
< 1382739814 712576 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382739880 722805 :fosap2!~fosap@xdsl-87-79-58-184.netcologne.de QUIT :Quit: Verlassend
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< 1382739984 733824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (scpFile is the file that wasn't there.) <-- sounds likely, but which scp is it.
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< 1382740206 763503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 65341534 PushEvents in the http://www.githubarchive.org/ timeline, according to a fancy Google BigQuery thingathing.
< 1382740224 594468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what these events are.)
< 1382740240 870747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/HZBg anyway.
< 1382740277 189117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's collecting statistics on the timeline thing, so no counting of individual commits, sadly.
< 1382740351 440289 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382741768 327074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did have the idea, of a kind of MUD game. One is that each character (both PC and NPC) belong to an account, and each account has no more than one character. Account names are separate from character names. If your character dies you can either create a new one or accept a resurrection if someone does it (which costs a lot, though). PCs and NPCs are mostly treated equivalently, although PCs are characters owned by an account that owns itself.
< 1382741781 220123 :Oj742!~Oj742@host-225-133.pubnet.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382741888 253294 :OriginalOldMan!62e8625f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.232.98.95 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382741889 764314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To calculate experience points earned if one character kills another, first calculate the "kill score", which is: $$k={\rm max}\left(\left\lfloor pf{\rm e}^{\root3\of{v_L-(v_W+v'_W)}}-x_W\right\rfloor,x_W+1\right)$$ where k = kill score, p = PK multipler, f = effort multiplier, v_L = loser's character value, v_W = winner's character value, v'_W = winner's artificial value, x_W = winner's experience level.
< 1382742011 411815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :After that, look up the pair of the winner and loser's account numbers (not character numbers) in the kill high score table, and subtract that from the kill score in order to determine how many experience points the winner earns (if it is negative, it is truncated to zero). If this kill score is greater than the recorded value it is then updated.
< 1382742130 109674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PK multiplier is 250 if NPC kills NPC, 1000 if PC kills NPC or NPC kills PC, and 4000 if PC kills PC. The effort multiplier is a number from 1 to 2 depending on how hard you try to win.
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< 1382742157 611649 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Character value is calculated by adding and multiplying things such as ability scores, species, skills, etc.
< 1382742160 965689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this so far?
< 1382742178 65584 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382742387 411769 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how do battle happen?
< 1382742412 331671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: Well, you have to find someone and attack them, or cause them to be dead in another way.
< 1382742455 553883 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382742457 76152 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or they do it to you instead, if that is the case.
< 1382742469 167950 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the attack mechanisms are more important than the formula used to calculate the experience points!
< 1382742518 807499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I just mentioning how to calculate XP for now. Quests are worth a lot more than battles, although quests too would have a high score table so that you cannot gain the points again each time.
< 1382742527 795208 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1382742624 945787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, when you create a new character in the same account, your new character can start at any start point you have unlocked, can have a level anywhere from zero to one less than your old character's level, and any options for the character's name, skills, species, ability scores, etc are automatically filled in but can be edited.
< 1382742731 722024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If killed more than twice in succession you aren't forced to lose more than two levels though; it is limited to two. In addition, the new character is invulnerable to being killed by any account that has killed your account in the past five minutes (unless you are in the home of whoever killed you).
< 1382742800 868972 :OriginalOldMan!62e8625f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.232.98.95 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
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< 1382742956 637910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of these rules are designed to avoid getting too many experience points by killing the same guy over again a lot of times and to avoid someone stopping you from passing some point with every new character you create.
< 1382743001 343869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Players who have been disconnected for 60 seconds cannot be attacked but may still be robbed.
< 1382743120 401334 :OriginalOldMan!~OriginalO@c-98-232-98-95.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1382743274 995877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no PK-safe areas. Player killing is allowed everywhere, and is worth more points than attacking NPCs, so it is worth it. It is legitimate to hide and kill someone when they are attempting a quest so that you can do it instead, to band with another player and then fight them when they least expect it, and so on; these are all considered legitimate tactics.
< 1382743369 42853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is these specification OK for you so far?
< 1382743410 694459 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1382743444 364694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this kind of game so far? I wanted to play but didn't find any
< 1382743479 639737 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing I can think of is urbandead
< 1382743581 29551 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no npc though
< 1382743597 362858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, changes to the environment are permanent, not reset like in many games (so some quests may be impossible to complete more than once), it is alignmentless, there can be human character and monster character and many other kind, also class-less, no auto-fight-back, and you need not use all of your points to create a character; you can discard some.
< 1382743621 571302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you die, you lose all of your money, bank, equipment, etc, but if your new character can find where your old one died you may be able to rob the corpse.
< 1382743634 87364 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this OK?
< 1382743643 793847 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Your score is kept, and so are all of your options.)
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< 1382743708 682422 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that
< 1382743728 291792 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though this may be heavy on the memory if players die a lot?
< 1382743750 579334 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you'd have to store all the corpses and things they were carrying
< 1382743790 366463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although corpses can decompose, objects can be destroyed, etc
< 1382743800 405606 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1382744019 404759 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And piles of equivalent things can be stored as a single record
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< 1382745003 540859 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is \left( supported in Plain TeX?
< 1382745005 338901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not know
< 1382745014 299379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes.
< 1382745036 900409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: \left and \right are primitive TeX commands.
< 1382745132 835743 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does memset(3) take its byte argument as an 'int'?
< 1382745181 732942 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :normal c convention, maybe
< 1382745201 570520 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1382745211 822222 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought C used chars as bytes (and ints as characters)
< 1382745238 735127 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it specified what happens if you pass memset smoething bigger than a byte?
< 1382745274 834354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5919735/why-does-memset-take-an-int-instead-of-a-char has a suggestion
< 1382745315 326874 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's uh, hm.
< 1382745322 364476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds strange
< 1382745334 160821 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382745334 657444 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: void *memset(void *b, int c, size_t len); The memset() function writes len bytes of value c (converted to an unsigned char) to the byte string b.
< 1382745335 893403 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :answers fiora's question too.
< 1382745362 259409 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from the man)
< 1382745406 61279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't trust the man
< 1382745467 601634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering if it had something to do with ambiguous signedness of char, but you could always write 'unsigned char'
< 1382745478 665831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah "Without a prototype, you can't pass a char to a function" welp
< 1382745514 679764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(welp 'char) ; => NIL
< 1382745550 398308 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess without a prototype you can't pass onlything except ints
< 1382745568 722660 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how that works if you need a pointer
< 1382745683 634146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe all prehistoric C implementations had sizeof(int) == sizeof(void*)
< 1382745702 925690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or used register calling convention and therefore were more flexible
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< 1382745948 967250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: it's not quite that bad http://c-faq.com/ansi/argpromos.html
< 1382746040 607022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this also applies to printf arguments http://c-faq.com/varargs/promos.html
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< 1382746044 243671 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is arguably much safer to avoid ``narrow'' (char, short int, and float) function arguments and return types altogether.
< 1382746070 895453 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically just use ints
< 1382746084 738061 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and doubles but who needs them)
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< 1382746246 77753 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1382746269 297609 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I want to try writing prototypes for printf here and there
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< 1382746893 16383 :Tod-Autojoined2!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk
< 1382747052 19544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Eq s, SetType__ s) => SetType s where { type SetOf s :: *; ... }; constructSetType :: forall a c. (forall b. SetType b => SetOf b -> (b -> c) -> a) -> [c] -> a; ... Do you expect things like this is OK?
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< 1382747733 916370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think today's picture in wikipedia needs a nsfl warning.
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< 1382747849 87171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :smallpox is kind of not safe for life, yeah.
< 1382747908 998197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey smallpox virus is life too
< 1382747912 184446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lets argue about that now)
< 1382747913 757339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, yikes
< 1382747924 828896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am old enough to have been vaccinated, i think.
< 1382747962 522388 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaccines are pretty cool
< 1382747995 203469 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i just noticed that photo was taken barely two years after the war
< 1382748005 284754 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should get more of them
< 1382748010 766943 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't *think* I've been vaccinated for smallpox. But when I was young my dad was in the Army, and so we were overseas, so... maybe?
< 1382748050 389918 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm old enough that I wasn't vaccinated for chicken pox at least? ^^;
< 1382748072 914364 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I wasn't vaccinated for chicken pox either.
< 1382748107 168975 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got chicken pox. Does that count?
< 1382748122 390292 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got it and my parents marketed me to their social circle as spreading it. Only 90s Kidz Remember
< 1382748186 777378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had chicken pox. when i was 18.
< 1382748206 200763 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I must have been like 10
< 1382748215 833398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i have scars in my face that are from it.
< 1382748255 225845 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was like 5?
< 1382748275 228171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i have a scar on my shoulder which is from some vaccine, perhaps the smallpox one?
< 1382748409 15367 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Closest to a smallpox vaccine I *know* I've been is that I've been near someone with cowpox.
< 1382748634 226772 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is $ in haskell just a prefix-notation parenthese for function application?
< 1382748644 133342 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :parenthesis
< 1382748679 376179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually $ in Haskell is the infix form of id, but specialized for function application
< 1382748705 794330 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just has the lowest associativity because i dunno screw parens.
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< 1382749428 518075 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay thanks
< 1382749433 113800 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"
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< 1382750514 549810 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e NICK :myndzi`
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< 1382751264 101125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/jiGA
< 1382752431 580632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this Haskell program OK?
< 1382753264 268227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isthishaskellprogramok.com
< 1382753283 434344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you not like layout syntax?
< 1382753295 133030 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES (humorous subtitle)
< 1382753318 794668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :howfuckedismyhaskellprogram.com
< 1382753335 982463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: see foldr.com
< 1382753362 506791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that really should say "=ω" not "=∞" don't you think
< 1382753368 623752 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fixes it using Element Inspector
< 1382753388 966468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I personally don't like layout syntax (and a few other people also don't like).
< 1382753411 508250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: does your Element Inspector have a save button
< 1382753425 854122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo add that feature
< 1382753427 431440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1382753429 172195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why not?
< 1382753436 310711 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Firefox OS dev tools do, though
< 1382753448 382357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is just the Firefox element inspector thing)
< 1382753459 444745 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«onclick="f(this); return false"»
< 1382753464 766681 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what's this then
< 1382753465 414175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't really know how to explain, but you can look up some reasons why some people don't like it, at least.
< 1382753469 793633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(this) indeed
< 1382753504 456568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I ask about this Haskell program, I mean about its use for the purpose I intended to use it for.
< 1382753511 247055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :g++ -Weffc++
< 1382753540 821054 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the purpose you intended to use it for
< 1382753551 853045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: asking
< 1382753647 248184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Something like a constructor Graph :: forall x y. SetType x => SetOf x -> (x -> y) -> (x -> x -> Bool) -> Graph y; which isn't really a correct definition of a graph, but hopefully can explain clearly enough the use I intended?
< 1382753676 570605 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't read it. just thought maybe that would help kmcists.
< 1382753690 595079 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it?
< 1382753718 86402 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand what I mean now, at least?
< 1382753718 231929 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is x -> x -> Bool the "this is an edge" checker? what's y for?
< 1382753731 806418 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: The y is in case the nodes have labels attached.
< 1382753749 64296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If they don't then y would just be ())
< 1382753774 114749 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand why a graph isn't just a set of vertices and a set of edges
< 1382753787 972613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Graph e v = Graph (e -> v) (e -> v)
< 1382753814 137401 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it could
< 1382753843 712456 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to understand shachaf's definition: approximately 40 seconds
< 1382753847 110885 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, what I mean is if you want to make up such a "unique set" which is only this useful
< 1382753852 870317 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graph A = (x y : A) -> Set
< 1382753864 692472 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I can understand more easily though, in a few seconds
< 1382753873 397975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: What is that, then?
< 1382753875 858109 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you just call me stupid
< 1382753878 757009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yours I don't know
< 1382753895 573581 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No, I just meant that I realized this specific purpose faster at this specific time.
< 1382753901 233983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, mine is a different sort of graph, with multiple edges and loops and so on.
< 1382753920 241408 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw an article in a bio journal about hypergraphs the other day. that was odd
< 1382753941 466883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know it's just a functor from the category •⇉• to Set
< 1382753944 298375 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's a generalized relation, covering all sorts of odd graphs
< 1382753945 107077 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Your definition I do not understand. Do you explain it?
< 1382753950 249577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the natural transformations are graph homomorphisms
< 1382753952 664127 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's dependent
< 1382753956 182052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the notation.
< 1382753963 722112 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graph A = A -> A -> Set
< 1382753966 811733 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's equivalent
< 1382753971 892626 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, another concept is just a functor? wow. wow. everything is explained. everything is clear now
< 1382753975 328447 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is not useful
< 1382753982 569715 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is, but not for computation
< 1382753992 322718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it useful for hugz
< 1382753994 448774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: But what is "Set" here then? I do not understand this dependent types very well.
< 1382753995 283603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like hugz
< 1382754003 568840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Set is like * in Haskell (I assume)
< 1382754008 206294 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1382754017 587726 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for every pair of values of that type
< 1382754024 603424 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it produces another type
< 1382754031 472496 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may be empty (in which case there's no edge)
< 1382754038 693848 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not, in which case there is
< 1382754053 261697 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have arbitrary values living in the resulting type
< 1382754061 717141 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might have more than one edge
< 1382754081 921047 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can define a simple type on top of that that takes the transitive closure, or reflexive transitive closure
< 1382754100 557943 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter also being "the free category of a graph"
< 1382754161 17826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: should i write that as ((Bool,e) -> v) or as (e -> Bool -> v)
< 1382754173 129365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: or as (e -> (v,v)) "that would be too simple"
< 1382754185 563199 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :iunno, the original was cute.
< 1382754234 931452 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not used to having edges as their own thing. maybe that's it.
< 1382754245 891827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: OK, but I do not quite understand how you would have values of a type produce another type like that, it doesn't sense to me quite a lot though.
< 1382754257 607366 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it's dependent
< 1382754262 475087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo ur cute
< 1382754272 239354 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"clearly i need to deal with infinite graphs more often"
< 1382754274 455555 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :asl
< 1382754290 772460 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are nonlinear dynamications functors
< 1382754291 990322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other day a bus driver made the asl sign for "no" and i understood
< 1382754294 338714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was pleased
< 1382754302 872554 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i a functor
< 1382754308 653855 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a banana
< 1382754317 295875 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am barbed wire
< 1382754339 165668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried reading about depending type but I don't quite understand it. I have read a Haskell library that says it defines a "dependent sum type" and I can understand that library at least, but not what it has anything to do with dependent types. Actually when I tried to explain when I was asking how to make this program I made I was told about dependent types too, which I don't know.
< 1382754358 4049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: What is it called, the things that my program is defining, though?
< 1382754369 781435 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure!
< 1382754389 441135 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :dependent sum types can be quite confusing
< 1382754393 253167 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but are awesome
< 1382754411 916361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: sum types r confusing, other types less so
< 1382754434 638017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Well, I can understand the Haskell library which says dependent sum types, even though I am not understanding the dependent sum types itself.
< 1382754528 905005 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I tried to define is that a value contained in some datatype is kind of like another type and a set of values in that type, where the only thing done on the values is check if it is equal to another one, and pass to a function that expects it.
< 1382754548 269232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't really making up a new type each time, but it fakes it.
< 1382754569 731128 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a dependent sum type is like a pair in haskell, where the type of the second half can refer to the value of the first half
< 1382754576 151514 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a strange concept if you're not used to it
< 1382754592 696960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: why aren't there things that map between natural transformations
< 1382754596 131911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also refered to reflection, which also tries to fake to make up a type but uses unsafeCoerce. My program does not involve unsafeCoerce.
< 1382754608 896258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Well, I know that, because I have read that program, and that is what it is.
< 1382754611 484488 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: they exist, but they're unnatural and we don't talk about them
< 1382754618 359581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are they unnatural
< 1382754622 332186 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a functor on the category of small natural transformations
< 1382754627 726425 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: too natural is unnatural
< 1382754630 695830 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such things are done in Haskell easily enough anyways, using forall, type parameters, and other stuff like that.
< 1382754651 139814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is that a sequence of words that makes sense or just a sequence of words
< 1382754659 464263 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well consider the speaker
< 1382754666 51354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the speaker is a bicycle
< 1382754667 218151 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :an endofunctor. endomonoid. coexofunctor
< 1382754669 105477 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1382754677 204394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :endonote: don't listen to Bike
< 1382754683 128450 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1382754718 496101 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the worst bike
< 1382754782 99198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo i've ridden some p. bad bikes recently
< 1382754810 186731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And using GADTs.
< 1382754855 695623 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Do you think my program does correctly what I intended though, at least?
< 1382754996 538058 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ #chicken is too quiet
< 1382755017 29799 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not sure! what did you intend?
< 1382755035 595383 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he already answered that a while up.
< 1382755041 149953 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I wonder if you would like explicit-renaming/implicit-renaming macros
< 1382755067 209845 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no DSL, you write a function that receives a few functions that aid in hygiene
< 1382755071 544742 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are your thoughts on yaoi
< 1382755073 819620 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're writing in pure Scheme
< 1382755088 896213 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1382755099 760549 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I looked and didn't understand
< 1382755106 715159 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i didn't either
< 1382755114 60905 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :low standard though
< 1382755118 849373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I can try to explain, perhaps, as, the function makes up a new set of its own type (actually Int, although it pretends it is a new type), and where values of this type can only be compared for equality.
< 1382755194 943169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this explanation good enough?
< 1382755211 110474 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, a little better
< 1382755214 516776 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your goal with it, though?
< 1382755264 725684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My example with the Graph constructor is one example (which doesn't actually define a graph though, and isn't really quite intended to anyways), but it is example of how it might be used, I mean.
< 1382755285 415001 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's odd how a superclass refers to its subclass in methods
< 1382755365 750469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose such thing is odd, but it does work.
< 1382755376 940547 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't doubt it, just trying to make sense of it
< 1382755395 679249 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The SetType__ class is private, so that you can never use it)
< 1382755428 970782 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1382755436 749972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1382755522 654958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only type that has an instance is also private, meaning that values of such a type are only used in a polymorphic type signature
< 1382755536 242629 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1382755545 672440 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you force people to only use the class interface
< 1382755556 352585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1382755625 94374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the point is also that you cannot check for type equality either, as if every call to emptySetOf and so on are of a different type which nobody knows.
< 1382755640 928185 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1382755725 949149 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it makes sense, although it might pay to figure out how to make your exposed Set interface take the "contents" parameter directly
< 1382755737 472156 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, perhaps not
< 1382755742 246113 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1382755748 364182 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me or is this paper backwards
< 1382755753 186809 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download;jsessionid=E9CB45AD79DE7268512C8A60D0C1A0BB?doi=10.1.1.53.5184&rep=rep1&type=pdf
< 1382755776 65728 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :just you, looks fine to me
< 1382755793 39030 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, I was standing on my head
< 1382755795 340508 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's backwards
< 1382755846 740171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just print it in this order and it'll be fine.
< 1382755850 562888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :more convenient imo
< 1382755885 721823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can configure the printer driver to work with it
< 1382755891 796484 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or is it saying that er macros are limited?
< 1382755897 929682 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1382755973 545435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I think this program I made up in there not quite complete, since a few operations are missing, isn't it?
< 1382756000 671207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hich things can be constructed using only the exported interfaces and which cannot be?
< 1382756027 191155 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: plz to link to the actual citeseer page instead of a pdf.
< 1382756113 247047 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.53.5184
< 1382756129 503183 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you.
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< 1382756157 184843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: https link plz
< 1382756168 536327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it won't help but i might as well ask)
< 1382756200 321399 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. I still don't get hygenic macros at all. Maybe I should ask around #scheme for programs that really need them.
< 1382756292 393326 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to recommend trying to understand syntax-case, but syntax-case comes with unneeded extra sugar called syntax-case that might hinder understanding
< 1382756308 297390 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I think i get the basic idea of syntax case.
< 1382756344 596408 :cybercortex2!~cybercort@203.214.68.129 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382756500 135796 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to clarify: syntax-case and not syntax-rules? syntax-case is the more complicated one that allows breaking hygiene
< 1382756529 347417 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you specify what symbols are supposed to be literal and which ones aren't, right.
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< 1382756625 43887 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax-rules allows that too, but syntax-case is more flexible than that. And easily allows arbitrary Scheme computations
< 1382756642 69721 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My other (unrelated) question was how to make pattern matching with rosetrees, in SQL or in a C program that can be export functions to use with SQL.
< 1382756656 763489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to make up such pattern matching?
< 1382756667 162072 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, but "it allows what the other thing is based on" is kind of... i don't really care, you know what i mean?
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< 1382756764 687968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I can think of is there will be the kind of patterns: A(P) A(* A(P) *) A(P *) ? where A is atom and P is a list of zero or more patterns.
< 1382756790 914950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this is kind of patterns I would need, how would it be doing, so that you can match and replacement?
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< 1382756882 919140 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: just trying to ascertain which one it is you know >.>
< 1382756899 144300 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know either one that well, if that isn't obvious.
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< 1382757423 662504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you think persistent data structures are generally not very effective without a GC?
< 1382757690 97534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have the experience to say, really
< 1382757693 301784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like they wouldn't be
< 1382757777 773564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, are there obvious ways to make a GC more efficient if you don't care about finding cycles?
< 1382757792 801356 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :refcounting?
< 1382757805 123160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is only sometimes more efficient
< 1382757832 871054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can come up with a few reasons that it would kill performance for a persistent concurrent hash trie or the like
< 1382757835 867742 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dunno
< 1382757839 220868 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't tried it
< 1382757852 842059 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't doubt it. it's just the obvious for cyclefucking gc :p
< 1382757861 22584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION made an accidental pun there
< 1382757866 798577 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha! Ha!
< 1382757875 911371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you would be interested in cyclefucking wouldn't you
< 1382757889 443425 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's on a roll today folks
< 1382757894 439081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my gc can find cycles but not bicycles
< 1382757896 326716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE A BICYCLE
< 1382757897 751455 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :much like me! hyuk hyuk. my brakes are out, i'm going to die
< 1382757909 526327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know anything about pattern matching rose trees in general?
< 1382757916 319490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in SQL?
< 1382757952 45032 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what a rose tree is, other than that it is probably depicted in the hit japanese cartoon show, Shōjo Kakumei Utena
< 1382757955 599891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe zzo38 means Proof General.
< 1382757970 963470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was riding a bicycle without working brakes recently
< 1382757975 606616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo not great
< 1382757977 419154 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :taht's dangerous
< 1382758013 144245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :t̂'s dangerous
< 1382758048 88860 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Apparently many of you missed it. I took a screenshot of all unauthenticated VNC servers on IPv4. It took 16 minutes. http://results.survey.tx.ai"
< 1382758049 57205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, in SQL, although it could be in C and then export the function to SQL. (It is operating on SQL data structures however.)
< 1382758063 81965 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rose tree is what in Haskell would be (Cofree []), although this program is C)
< 1382758074 184216 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's cool how we're all doomed
< 1382758109 711881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see conal's talk on parallel scans
< 1382758113 361242 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the links are broken :(
< 1382758412 204407 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you had a halting problem?
< 1382758422 131632 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[even my humor is stolen]
< 1382758425 501380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's terrifying
< 1382758448 460667 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just taken down?
< 1382758467 234618 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks up to me
< 1382758468 593879 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see screenshots on http://results.survey.tx.ai/216.html
< 1382758473 150133 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no, there it goes.
< 1382758483 553555 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :404 not found
< 1382758499 256770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no porn yet
< 1382758522 896175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://a0cb98c247b3db5ffaba-2460f3ea0996e8d440cbab5ff57046e7.r23.cf2.rackcdn.com/216.230.224.203_5903.jpg
< 1382758575 380170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://a0cb98c247b3db5ffaba-2460f3ea0996e8d440cbab5ff57046e7.r23.cf2.rackcdn.com/216.200.140.167_5900.jpg
< 1382758591 120860 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THat icon looks like ActiveTcl... I assume it's actually ActivePerl
< 1382758777 936780 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nice.
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< 1382759483 70582 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mutters about dead scheme communities
< 1382759680 910245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is-not (that-which-can (eternal lie)) dead)
< 1382760426 28211 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One of my favorite things about Chicken Scheme is ir-macro-transformer. I find it to be the most intuitive hygienic macro system yet (using it isn't any more complicated than the traditional unhygienic define-macro)."
< 1382760442 343404 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that simplicity may come at a cost
< 1382760609 980797 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ir?
< 1382760617 4264 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :implicit renaming
< 1382760647 854289 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can Scheme make "law of excluded middle" continuations? You can define that and ordinary continuations in terms of each other (at least in Haskell you can).
< 1382760650 562724 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symbols that are returned are automatically renamed, unless you call inject on them (inject being a function supplied to the transformer along with the form)
< 1382760696 286565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemCC = callCC (return . Right . (<=< return . Left)); callCC x = lemCC >>= either return x;
< 1382760799 530480 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cont monad continuations are almost delimited continuations. You can build delimited continuations in standard Scheme with call/cc and a bit of mutable state, although it's horrible. Some Schemes and Schemelike systems also provide delimited continuations natively
< 1382760829 143629 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't mean I understand your code, or what a "law of excluded middle" continuation is, just that I'm pretty sure the answer is 'yes'
< 1382761444 792913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Sure, why not?
< 1382761485 57032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It means a thing that gives you a continuation when you call it. Then when you call the continuation with a value, it gives you that value.
< 1382761845 686888 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if I want the name of a bare input symbol to an IR-based macro... I can't get it
< 1382761865 926877 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can compare against known symbols, but I don't think I can just easily convert to a string
< 1382761896 49343 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because all the symbols come in 'renamed'
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< 1382762953 59723 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.call-cc.org/paste?id=fd5f78e7052159d4df1dfed5cbec51d8e7017598
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< 1382765487 370522 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.119 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
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< 1382765844 195540 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ?
< 1382765895 529312 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.119 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get 4oD to work
< 1382765902 732384 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.119 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can't watch Agents of SHIELD
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< 1382767004 690213 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... this thing about Chicken just recommended autoconf and automake
< 1382767011 783273 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just run far, far away
< 1382767030 426313 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.119 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will autoconf and automake help me watch Agents of SHIELD
< 1382767131 896833 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382767184 642581 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's theoretically possible for at least some hypothetical problems preventing 4oD access
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< 1382767713 297508 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is agents of shield. is it an anime
< 1382767745 997898 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.119 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about some agents of shield
< 1382767755 458709 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.119 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's made by disney
< 1382767849 304058 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the fuck is everyone talking about anime now
< 1382768004 478502 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :anime is great
< 1382768013 985014 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the good ones
< 1382768027 958854 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.119 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm on a team for a CTF competition Detica is running today
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< 1382768852 609989 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/grammarware/status/393871325338411009/photo/1 this is dumb but still great, somehow.
< 1382768915 956805 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 259 seconds
< 1382769079 462994 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1382769266 407780 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: This ECDSA paper introduces ten acronyms on the first page.
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< 1382770846 93224 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/programs/tpk.i
< 1382770963 303545 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HERE I USE A SLICK TRICK
< 1382771011 303797 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T STOP READING YET
< 1382771038 603674 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLEASE NOTIFY THE AUTHOR IF YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THIS; BUT PLEASE DON'T SEND EMAIL
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< 1382774668 499750 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SRFI process specifies HTML 3.2
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< 1382781357 444034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Koen_ You can pass other types without a prototype. You can't pass a char, a short or a float because the default arugment promotions convert those to an int, an int and a double, respectively, in absence of a prototype.
< 1382781357 589582 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382781405 468594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Koen_ If it's any other type, you can receive it as-is in a function without a prototype. (Of course you need to make sure it is exactly the type the function expects, because no implicit conversions are done.)
< 1382781405 614366 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382781437 619276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Koen_ Oh, I didn't notice oerjan's links. Sowwy.
< 1382781437 802351 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382781452 617614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dangers of incomplete logreading.
< 1382781647 271810 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I am thinking of going back on http://esolangs.org/wiki/Limp
< 1382781652 910094 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am having a dilemma
< 1382781668 926374 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want all (functional) operators to be compatible in a pinch
< 1382781689 542130 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly by giving them an equivalent lambda version
< 1382781718 111146 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if possible I also want to make an equivalence between the numbers and lists
< 1382781731 325741 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like 0 being the empty list or NIL, I dunno
< 1382781753 966328 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in that case, that equivalent must be the same as the one with the lambda expressions
< 1382781773 438744 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With 0 = ^x^y.y, and so on
< 1382781787 55705 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not sure which construction to pick
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< 1382789738 897047 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/1p83at/turing_machine_vs_human_mind/
< 1382789747 947095 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh i'm not really sure how to respond to this
< 1382789781 588334 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :downvote and ignore?
< 1382789819 567738 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the coward's way out, yes
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< 1382792561 407123 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which irc clients do people usually use with mac
< 1382792585 203123 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used XChat-aqua and ircII
< 1382792810 982034 :nooodl__!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 NICK :nooodl
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< 1382796874 32880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Ircle was quite popular, if you mean pre-X MacOS.
< 1382796896 501439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: As for current, I've heard of both Limechat and Colloquy.
< 1382797045 521231 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oklofok
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< 1382797214 299271 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :supposing i have an infinite-dimensional vector space V with basis e_i and some T \in V* such that T(e_i) = 1
< 1382797253 992948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a setup for a "your mom" joke.
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< 1382797306 597460 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :then by linearity T(sum of e_i) = sum of T(e_i), which is an infinite sum of 1s
< 1382797319 351906 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :my question is how the fuck does this make sense
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< 1382797376 109353 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't push the T into the infinite sum just with linearity
< 1382797440 306502 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll check out if the rest of it makes sense
< 1382797470 111613 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not
< 1382797585 574027 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh there's also the matter if the sum of e_i is even an element of V
< 1382797717 991157 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just since the vector space &c axioms only require closure &c under finite sums (usually stated in terms of binary sums) and as with lots of things it doesn't generalize very nicely to infinities. i'd have to think a bit more if i wanted to say anything useful
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< 1382798156 903013 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy, mm, fair point
< 1382798182 562538 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :example: if you're dealing with, say, functions N->R with the obvious vector space structure, the set {e_i : e(i) = 1; e(j) = 0 for i \neq j} isn't a basis. that's a basis for the subspace of "finitely supported" functions. and the sum of all the basis elements isn't a member of that space. since linear combinations are finite sums of scalar multiples of vectors.
< 1382798254 694614 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops i messed up my explanation structure there oh well
< 1382798286 117833 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :would've helped if they'd thought to actually mention infinite-dimensional spaces before springing it on us in an assignment
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< 1382798586 374877 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah..
< 1382798682 412848 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite dimensional spaces are like finite dimensional spaces except sometimes you need the axiom of choice to find a basis
< 1382798703 311364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need to be more careful with the definitions
< 1382798733 419482 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you define linear combinations with a sum over a set of indices you run into exactly this problem
< 1382799175 743379 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember how my maths class taught matrices before vectors. or any linear algebra. they're just introduced as magic rectangles of numbers,
< 1382799483 641259 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing I know about matrices is
< 1382799490 824231 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you always forget how to multiply them
< 1382799772 173380 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt understand matrices until i learned that theyre just a way of representing linear transformations in terms of som bases. then i understood them. i also never really ever had to do much in the way of computations on them so
< 1382799834 337897 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sum of e_i is not an element of the vector space
< 1382799854 716322 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although apparently you were answered already
< 1382799856 745071 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: really?
< 1382799859 528306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1382799864 590800 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that's* when you understood them?
< 1382799872 225307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, yeah, same for me
< 1382799913 45171 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but note that there's not even a question of whether "sum of e_i" is an element, it doesn't even mean anything a priori
< 1382799945 144124 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure if all matrices represent linear transformations
< 1382799975 800944 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I though't that's only a sub space
< 1382799983 230150 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, yes, i realise this
< 1382799996 491603 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, no, all matrices represent linear transformations
< 1382800007 896470 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you're thinking of invertible matrices
< 1382800074 681809 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would mean that not all linear transformations are reversible?
< 1382800077 489578 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or reversable
< 1382800090 876976 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e bijective
< 1382800145 489952 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparentely nott.
< 1382800149 855220 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not
< 1382800157 557212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, consider f(x,y) = x
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< 1382800312 776294 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1382800318 620380 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since we're already at match
< 1382800321 25911 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*math
< 1382800353 70277 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does for any proof that gives an example (or counter-example) as a proof
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< 1382800364 177743 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :exist a formal proof that does not rely on an example?
< 1382800454 369498 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. a counter-example shows, that a certain assumption does not hold for all cases
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< 1382800459 941335 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and therefore disproves it)
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< 1382800494 779605 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like the opposite of what people normally try to do
< 1382800507 272447 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but an example does not describe the exact reason why it does not hold.
< 1382800541 610056 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the burden of explanation is on whoever's writing the proof
< 1382800543 634968 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does?
< 1382800559 252791 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1382800566 426986 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not hold because a counter-example was found, yes
< 1382800614 450219 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't mean that you can describe when exactly the assumption does not hold
< 1382800668 835988 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you want a way to construct all possible counterexamples
< 1382800681 825133 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1382800701 208018 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least an algorithm that can state about any given input if it is a counter example
< 1382800728 82513 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or not)
< 1382800736 952742 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1382800743 540297 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is roughly the same :)
< 1382800773 646837 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that algorithm consists of "check if the example satisfies whatever predicate you're concerned with"
< 1382800788 283097 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if that's undecidable??????? what then
< 1382800788 614710 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. show that sin(x) + sin(f(x)) is not peridioc for all f
< 1382800799 425132 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Counter example: sin(x) + sin(sqrt(x))
< 1382800827 131398 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is periodic
< 1382800855 210865 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: Well
< 1382800867 892410 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would at least be an answer to if such an algorithm exists for all proofs :)
< 1382800870 305758 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the algorithm here consists of "determine whether sin(x) + sin(f(x)) is periodic"
< 1382800898 477983 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can prove that this is wrong by giving a counter example
< 1382800915 451193 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that does not mean, that I can really prove it for all f
< 1382800931 564849 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I know is, that it is wrong without knowing WHY it is wrong.
< 1382800934 864255 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get what you're getting at
< 1382800963 327205 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's wrong because there exists f such that sin(x) + sin(f(x)) isn't periodic
< 1382800987 698859 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1382800997 944906 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have no way of telling that for any given f
< 1382801025 166175 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a largely orthogonal issue
< 1382801034 600620 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't have an algorithm which would solve that problem
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< 1382801086 971042 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether it's true for arbitrary f is meaningless as far as the truth of the universally qualified statement is concerned; it suffices to know that it is not true for all f
< 1382801110 62580 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: That's true.
< 1382801156 486183 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're using intuitionistic logic or whatever you actually need to specify an algorithm anyway
< 1382801224 928446 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my opinion is, that a more precise proof would specify the exact properties f must have in order to make the statement wrong
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< 1382801250 270703 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g as you said
< 1382801260 279006 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :an algorithm that produces counter examples.
< 1382801276 990761 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're now actually dealing with two different notions
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< 1382801449 545590 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically your notion of a 'precise' proof is extremely limited and doesn't really give much meaningful insight in the relatively few cases where it even exists
< 1382801499 687322 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the proof "does it hold for all f"
< 1382801511 292427 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's the decision problem "does it hold for this given f"
< 1382801526 476132 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a counter example doesn't solve the second one
< 1382801555 531282 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i give up her'es the answer
< 1382801575 370463 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, ...right
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< 1382801581 368228 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your actual problem here, then
< 1382801587 848296 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Problem
< 1382801591 904150 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just asked a question
< 1382801604 670962 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the answer is "no". does that help
< 1382801615 277681 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does an algorithm that would solve the second example exist if a counter example exists?
< 1382801621 77773 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*problem
< 1382801622 233047 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1382801625 629254 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok
< 1382801682 780721 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: Yes. That answers my question :)
< 1382801687 453673 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I'm not even sure if all matrices represent linear transformations" they are exactly the linear transformations (in the finite-dimensional case, otherwise i don't know what you mean by matrix)
< 1382801720 197941 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mroman> which would mean that not all linear transformations are reversible?" the map where everything goes to 0 is trivially linear
< 1382801780 167394 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1382801796 869864 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Projection matrices are linear but not always reversible
< 1382801811 309323 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e projection from R^n to R^(n-1)
< 1382801816 572449 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*e.g.
< 1382801915 339090 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know anything about infinite-dimensional stuff anyway
< 1382801981 291024 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it is about discrete mathematics
< 1382801988 118606 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I might propose that they don't exist anyway
< 1382802174 460268 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :life sort of sucks if you don't believe in infinite things
< 1382802244 244951 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the best math only works if you do
< 1382802402 629763 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1382802421 288101 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know math that well anyway
< 1382802515 153247 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should, it's the best
< 1382802525 609370 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmath
< 1382802531 200861 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :math
< 1382802546 147206 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1382802550 195052 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still better than physics
< 1382802571 667802 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :physicist
< 1382802573 67420 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1382802576 806832 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you call them
< 1382802579 899623 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not physician
< 1382802587 582939 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that would make sense which english does not
< 1382802607 648140 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1382802611 729786 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :physicist was correct.
< 1382802663 532748 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate their models
< 1382802671 143487 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just don't add up to the real world.
< 1382802675 698833 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm too dumb
< 1382802678 227292 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't?
< 1382802701 384647 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn;t modeling the real world kind of what science is about
< 1382802702 386613 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1382802703 905254 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do
< 1382802713 404017 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're a single mass point
< 1382802746 338643 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or your electrical wires are not too close to each other
< 1382802751 67940 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you suddenly need new models
< 1382802761 230452 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is ok
< 1382802770 358501 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1382802777 800367 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what it's about, yes
< 1382802783 185371 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just
< 1382802790 85195 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully their models are good enough to get us ipads and flights to the moon
< 1382802790 230691 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't understand even simple models
< 1382802793 267428 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like force
< 1382802803 391487 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :force there means force there
< 1382802809 398197 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kinda stupid
< 1382802811 685056 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
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< 1382802815 549365 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1382802817 237380 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like
< 1382802818 916859 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"force there means force there"
< 1382802829 391136 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if theres force a, then there exists its counter-force -a
< 1382802858 818552 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :every force has an equal opposite force?
< 1382802875 494612 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. are you mad at the world for having this law or the physicists for noticing it?
< 1382802893 459015 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1382802897 832235 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it don't make sense to me
< 1382802913 606571 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right this was about making sense
< 1382802927 103043 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. why those forces don't cancel each other out
< 1382802934 254912 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they apply to different things
< 1382802944 484183 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're not acting on the same things
< 1382802945 218520 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1382802953 335169 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the law is that when a force a is applied to some object, then some other object necessarily gets force -a
< 1382802954 662204 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still
< 1382802960 704725 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you apply force to something else
< 1382802967 11674 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that must have an opposite force too
< 1382802988 855535 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1382802994 533689 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if gas exhaust pushes your spaceship away
< 1382803020 623979 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then your spaceship also pushes the gas exhaust away
< 1382803024 146904 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1382803035 226292 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that gas must go somewhere
< 1382803035 559974 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that natural and obvious
< 1382803039 716291 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and push something else away
< 1382803043 920390 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
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< 1382803049 716717 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1382803068 840724 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if gas particles are moving in some direction, there's no "force" involved
< 1382803073 375405 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if you were still in the atmosphere
< 1382803077 183 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you'd push away air
< 1382803081 456983 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except gravity between them)
< 1382803092 725646 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you push away air, that air pushes away something else
< 1382803097 930694 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everytime you push something away
< 1382803104 69938 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :something pushes in the opposite direction
< 1382803110 8807 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1382803115 569316 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah what about that
< 1382803122 456732 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1382803130 550769 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if everything pushes everything
< 1382803134 531421 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is going on :)
< 1382803154 384266 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of pushing
< 1382803201 922574 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everything doesn't push everything at once
< 1382803204 193854 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can apply those models
< 1382803216 800169 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if a Physicist tells me to use them
< 1382803222 393844 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume he knows what he's doing
< 1382803231 291319 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :particles move about, and every now and then they get close enough that they bounce off of each other
< 1382803240 682485 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have no idea why the model is
< 1382803268 743898 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. why does the third law exist
< 1382803270 746694 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hold
< 1382803289 495966 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably observation
< 1382803305 948004 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the third law
< 1382803310 943455 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :action = reaction
< 1382803325 533573 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's just the simple stuff
< 1382803334 865533 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets even weirder for electrical stuff
< 1382803378 676099 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is mostly due to it being taught wrong
< 1382803391 613876 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: "uhm.. it's like water flowing in pipes"
< 1382803393 617597 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw that.
< 1382803425 597393 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you 5 or why do you find this stuff weird
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< 1382803447 309905 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1382803450 198180 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just super dumb.
< 1382803467 990133 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you not have a corporeal body
< 1382803576 39836 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're making some stuff in the oven, and apparently we've been waiting for 30 minutes for nothing because i switched the oven off when i put the stuff in
< 1382803588 767874 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember doing it but i'm not sure why
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< 1382803657 688815 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it's like water flowing in pipes only until you get to capasitors and stuff
< 1382803671 576436 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1382803684 488933 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i checked that word and the wikipedia page gives a water pipe analog.
< 1382803798 530759 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_analogy cool.
< 1382803822 646808 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't understand the physical part of stuff
< 1382803842 209182 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just the way it is.
< 1382803885 240717 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm asked to do some fourier shit with wave signals
< 1382803887 323018 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do that
< 1382803922 650438 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though I have absolutely no idea what fourier or a wave actually is
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< 1382804022 510090 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you study physics?
< 1382804024 887355 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same for everything that's closely related to physics.
< 1382804026 370475 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: no
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< 1382804078 179172 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I do know how to model physical systems using differential equations with system dynamics tools
< 1382804167 543195 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like simulating behaviours of oscilatting circuits and stuff
< 1382804187 534708 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or orbits of n bodies
< 1382804230 552913 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and population models
< 1382804263 216730 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or planes
< 1382804267 349024 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and helicopters
< 1382804288 793649 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :given the model you use and the integration method you use is precise enough
< 1382804368 837972 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I'm studying applied computer science
< 1382804376 886153 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :embedded systems in particular
< 1382804414 763364 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1382804438 219783 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you need to know some wire stuff for that
< 1382804477 853781 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're getting taught basics of a lot of stuff ;)
< 1382804480 197303 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e optics too
< 1382804510 227362 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really only the ground basics.
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< 1382804547 199932 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can calculate what *ideal* lense you'd need for your *ideal* eye condition :)
< 1382804573 439287 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how big you'd have to draw a circle on the moon in order to see it with your naked eye
< 1382804587 956796 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming everything is ideal
< 1382804607 489148 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's kinda the point
< 1382804638 264815 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there almost certain is light refraction due to the atmosphere
< 1382804646 933725 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably even depending on the moon position, temperature etc.
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< 1382804932 282521 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah maybe the radius would change by a meter or so
< 1382804977 135292 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hence I don't understand why light can't move faster than c
< 1382804981 733688 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand the whole thing
< 1382805016 254457 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what light is
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< 1382805040 523494 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except a wave that moves at c
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< 1382805062 458093 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a certain wave length
< 1382805075 157412 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then again
< 1382805089 610088 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do waves with a certain wave length have so different properties than waves with other wavelengths
< 1382805098 22084 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though they're both electromagnetic waves?
< 1382805166 37706 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do?
< 1382805180 397767 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you elaborate?
< 1382805186 698300 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1382805196 35603 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're not using red light to do x-rays
< 1382805224 379628 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :atoms/things react different to certain wavelengths
< 1382805234 328837 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it differently?
< 1382805260 854178 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1382805276 454596 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may not count that as a property of the wave
< 1382805282 326442 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than a property of a certain material
< 1382805287 839331 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not that some wavelengths of light pass through things and some don't, it's that as you make the wavelength longer (or shorter?) it goes through stuff more easily
< 1382805317 347557 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just know that longer waves are better for transmission into space
< 1382805334 168953 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they penetrate the atmosphere and stuff better
< 1382805378 756911 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have no idea how electro-magnetical waves move at all :)
< 1382805406 527524 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just do somehow
< 1382805439 860234 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably altering some magnetic field
< 1382805454 88744 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since waves have an amplitude that amplitude must be something
< 1382805495 321995 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone interested in a unix v6 shell account?
< 1382805531 626373 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to admit that I don't understand electromagnetism really well
< 1382805590 486859 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the whole universe in a big electromagnetic field?
< 1382805617 451250 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that if there is no such field, than light could not travel at all?
< 1382805622 950022 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*then
< 1382805635 822894 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like sound needs something to travel
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< 1382805683 163222 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: but you get my point why I have no idea about physics ;)
< 1382805737 861361 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think your problem is that you don't get physics, i think you just don't get what getting is
< 1382805754 893757 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and also you suck at physics)
< 1382805893 392226 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not studying physics
< 1382805899 391437 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's pretty obvious @suck
< 1382806084 116716 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1382806112 817848 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my definition of getting is "Can read and understand scientific papers in a particular field"
< 1382806145 826630 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-109-193-171-052.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1382806164 155614 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds demanding
< 1382806170 611629 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't get much then i guess
< 1382806238 764028 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :(
< 1382806242 927425 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much nothing.
< 1382806416 585602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382808156 347981 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1382808658 254692 :Cubertango!~mint@81.20.205.170 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382808720 167548 :Cubertango!~mint@81.20.205.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi every
< 1382808892 146115 :Uguubee111118!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Quit: Uguubee111118
< 1382808977 722861 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382809567 711016 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382810680 912806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, what did you want to day?
< 1382810884 282889 :Cubertango!~mint@81.20.205.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beautiful day ^_^
< 1382811101 566890 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1382811151 813194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about it?
< 1382811259 710336 :Cubertango!~mint@81.20.205.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1382812013 866498 :Uguubee111118!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382812336 563069 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382812575 436910 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382813219 503946 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh we don't get to find out why :/
< 1382813267 361972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :too beautiful for irc imo
< 1382813287 427461 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrrrrr why do I keep misplacing my VMs and chroots
< 1382813319 139892 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was gonna say something along the lines of "Where are you guys, LA is ugly today", because it was the past few days, but holy shit, it's beautiful in Los Angeles.
< 1382813324 188956 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to go outside.
< 1382813331 687568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i was wondering how VMX got disabled again but then I remembered I had the motherboard replaced for a repair a few weeks back so it's not even the same machine, woah dude
< 1382813342 850222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LA can be beautiful
< 1382813349 14629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where in LA are you?
< 1382813394 592411 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I went to LA once when I was very small
< 1382813396 596900 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Valley. It's been gray for a bit, though
< 1382813443 261848 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lived in Pasadena for four years
< 1382813453 746453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's in california not louisiana
< 1382813477 230005 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm seeing they might be giants tonight! I'm super exited.
< 1382813521 39010 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hmm, you identify systems by their motherboards?
< 1382813538 245483 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the same system if the root filesystem or the os installation is the same
< 1382813546 832399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's more like what I actually do
< 1382813552 641576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes
< 1382813554 866874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it's a read-only filesystem and you clone it to two drives
< 1382813582 149117 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... you get two of it?
< 1382813620 182586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the same system or two systems
< 1382813645 709052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes a note to go all Roko's Basilisk on the next machine image which pisses him off
< 1382813654 292735 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it's seven systems
< 1382813659 773007 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And three of them are out to get you
< 1382813888 203071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just drank: a Hexhamian Curiosity Cola.
< 1382814291 70563 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit fentimans are based in hexham???
< 1382814427 45692 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hexham
< 1382814431 407794 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham es la ciudad mas importante de programación esotérico
< 1382814454 13230 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is this shit
< 1382814515 524424 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I used to walk past their office/lab quite often
< 1382814524 266660 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Few went in, even fewer went out
< 1382814546 268692 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be really busy, a major employer, but then Mr Fentiman shut the whole thing down.
< 1382814550 262842 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cola production stopped.
< 1382814565 114636 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, just as mysteriously as it had stopped, it started again.
< 1382814581 222410 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1382814754 560044 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then one day, only a few months ago, there was a competition announced.
< 1382814812 950852 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 lucky children who find a golden ticket in their Fentimans drink, whether it be shandy, cherrytree cola, cool ginger beer, or pink lemonade, would receive a grand tour of this factory of legend...
< 1382814827 67873 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also a lifetime supply of carbonated beverages
< 1382814836 159214 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturally the nation was in panic
< 1382814842 754830 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three children choked on their tickets
< 1382814920 466893 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The remaining five went to the factory...
< 1382814934 654012 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only four came out again...
< 1382814934 799808 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they were changed.
< 1382814953 27001 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, pretty literally changed.
< 1382814953 172893 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them was made of ginger
< 1382814962 781801 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And had 5 arms
< 1382815027 762673 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :None have them have said a word about what happened in there
< 1382815048 492419 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dear god this got dark fast)
< 1382815055 869682 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover help
< 1382815072 463099 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the fifth child was elliott
< 1382815087 602080 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the dark god iarthal ate the world, the end
< 1382815121 332052 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the dark god iarthal exists why do i feel happy. checkmate theists
< 1382815152 238637 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, the dark god iarthal got stuck in the Fentimans factory
< 1382815202 290106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps they are different people who they think are other people by mistaken, therefore they never said anything about it because they were never there!
< 1382815221 389913 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps
< 1382815230 498575 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, an interesting theory
< 1382815239 841078 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1382815242 142630 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think it has a few flaws in it
< 1382815244 7534 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely:
< 1382815246 139130 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.21 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1382815278 83844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382815341 959581 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit the dark got iarthal ate him
< 1382815375 812819 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang
< 1382815415 193652 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and spat him out again as ais523!
< 1382815421 550130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you expect it necessary the gods eating anything?
< 1382815436 359675 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else are they going to do
< 1382815449 378857 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1382815715 145574 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.116 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382815747 877911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't necessarily mean anything is necessary in such case, but it also doesn't mean only necessary things are possible.
< 1382815809 949884 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382815888 501150 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1382816767 866772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://tab.snarc.org/posts/haskell/2013-10-25-haskell-crypto-platform.html
< 1382816776 711873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1382816898 787992 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the problem?
< 1382817086 137089 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1382817562 72207 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS1lpKBMkgg
< 1382819144 902523 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=2603533
< 1382819193 416215 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=2603510 this is some good stuff
< 1382819507 26813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"first outframe: (nan,0.000000) (nan,nan) (nan,nan) (nan,nan) (nan,nan) [..] (nan,nan) (nan,nan) (nan,0.000000)"
< 1382819514 885434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The best frame.)
< 1382819564 128292 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nananananananananananana outframe
< 1382819876 720842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to blame emscripten, since it works just fine when compiled with the (same) clang.
< 1382819884 430764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As native code, I mean.
< 1382819939 93353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :different optimization settings?
< 1382819950 407102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't be.
< 1382819976 368766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose the "emcc" wrapper does anything special with -Dfoo=bar's (like drops them off)?
< 1382820066 746925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily it's called Undecimber, and no
< 1382820066 892157 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382820093 186711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not seem to be doing that.
< 1382820496 102002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382821023 693020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: did you get a satisfactory explanation for your vector space question
< 1382821034 400420 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vector space question?
< 1382821038 204781 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1382821051 701388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, then i don't have to repeat it :P
< 1382821062 664747 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow rude
< 1382821072 33703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: we have logs
< 1382821076 432816 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure if you're a coward
< 1382821083 912936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is where i am reading it in the first place.
< 1382821119 831496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i wasn't going to mention that one.
< 1382821151 743425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that wasn't a direct Phantom___Hoover quote
< 1382821182 478499 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, -s USE_TYPED_ARRAYS=0 seems to make it work. (If slowly.)
< 1382821251 319160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And -s USE_TYPED_ARRAYS=1 also works. But USE_TYPED_ARRAYS=2 ends up with all those nans.
< 1382821401 105038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unicode MAN IN BUSINESS SUIT LEVITATING
< 1382821546 266644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode MAN IN BUSINESS SUIT LEVITATING
< 1382821548 391980 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character.
< 1382821573 303226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that one
< 1382821578 972940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should upgrade HackEgo to Unicode 7
< 1382821592 384287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you saying it exists.
< 1382821621 373937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the fault of the japanese.
< 1382821631 78411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was added really recently
< 1382821644 613091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly the most amusing of the new codepoints
< 1382821648 112195 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone put everything from wingdings in a new unicode block
< 1382821699 971484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F595 REVERSED HAND WITH MIDDLE FINGER EXTENDED
< 1382821774 42851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders that theoretically it takes only one cell phone manufacturer with a mean streak to create enough new characters to break unicode.
< 1382821799 661233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd have to work a bit on it, but still.
< 1382821859 354138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether that would break unicode's size limit or their policy of including everything actually used, is a different matter.
< 1382821887 569380 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode begins the arduous and controversial 'chat unificcation'
< 1382821965 531321 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode 7 isn't out
< 1382822000 149585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think the human effort to draw all the glyphs that are free would be too big
< 1382822059 929383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus the world is saved by laziness again
< 1382822105 99535 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many codepoints are free?
< 1382822150 356315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably something like approximately 14 planes?
< 1382822190 541391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe more, everything else than BMP might still be quite sparse.
< 1382822199 390568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less than 17 planes, anyway.
< 1382822220 871409 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :each plane is 2^16 codepoints, right?
< 1382822225 496252 :Onliner13!~onliner91@81.20.205.170 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382822243 104313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They gave away the last one for private use, unless I misremember.
< 1382822248 303312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1382822252 1657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE Onliner13
< 1382822254 798825 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :OnLiNeR13: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.)
< 1382822315 56857 :Onliner13!~onliner91@81.20.205.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi all :)
< 1382822335 690293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1382822358 33464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you please pick a more sensible welcome message next time :)
< 1382822374 709908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this is one of the _most_ sensible ones.
< 1382822383 290455 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm[4]: Compiling LegalizeFloatTypes.cpp for Release+Asserts build
< 1382822383 435851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know
< 1382822398 679917 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder, if you had everyone on earth draw one glyph, what kind of duplications you'd get (if anY!)
< 1382822402 612568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only picked it because i haven't seen it in a while.
< 1382822402 760314 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :legalize float types, regulate and tax them for revenue
< 1382822415 508961 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is that a drug joke?
< 1382822418 944341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda
< 1382822443 284301 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1382822461 673645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: an unsurprising number of boobs and penises, i suspect
< 1382822499 273714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a large but
< 1382822560 37572 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a large butt.
< 1382822566 441145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too.
< 1382822573 646800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode PENIS
< 1382822575 628395 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character.
< 1382822580 236865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1382822597 518661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that name is too simple.
< 1382822679 154926 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...
< 1382823029 298905 :Onliner13!~onliner91@81.20.205.170 QUIT :Quit: Onliner13
< 1382823086 300904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : my opinion is, that a more precise proof would specify the exact properties f must have in order to make the statement wrong <-- problem is, that the description of such f can be a _lot_ messier than finding a single one. possibly even uncomputable.
< 1382823172 898705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you could hope for instead is an intuition why there would be _many_ counterexamples.
< 1382823217 257431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. -0.389 is a curious result for a*a + b*b, where both a and b are real numbers.
< 1382823229 477182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it is.
< 1382823243 636901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: emscripten uses JS floats to represent ints by default I think
< 1382823247 645097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's what you're talking about
< 1382823258 381241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how would it end up negative though?
< 1382823270 27426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because floats are weird? I don't know
< 1382823289 192600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The numbers in question were also floats. (Well, doubles.)
< 1382823402 760951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman my opinion is, that a more precise proof would specify the exact properties f must have in order to make the statement wrong <-- problem is, that the description of such f can be a _lot_ messier than finding a single one. possibly even uncomputable.
< 1382823402 946405 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382823417 913094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman what you could hope for instead is an intuition why there would be _many_ counterexamples.
< 1382823418 69486 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1382823425 434235 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1382823505 360203 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382823625 787939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of the numbers are less than zero as seen from the C code, so I guess I just do something wrong in the interface.
< 1382823650 34546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I'm reading the wrong "pointer".
< 1382823712 112831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fun fact: emscripten pointers are also just js numbers containing indices into its HEAP (or IHEAP/FHEAP for USE_TYPED_ARRAYS=1, or I8HEAP/U8HEAP/etc. for USE_TYPED_ARRAYS=2) array.)
< 1382823987 917106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I assume that if there is no such field, than light could not travel at all? <-- did he just reinvent the aether.
< 1382824004 799728 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1382824036 545087 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i admit i have no idea how EM works though.
< 1382824085 477695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect if you go all the way to the quantum field theory stuff, no one does.
< 1382825032 901601 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1382825093 881695 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:e2cb:4eff:feb2:e567 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382825326 428157 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382825681 959241 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: irc2go
< 1382825906 244729 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382825921 577413 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:e2cb:4eff:feb2:e567 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1382825979 879162 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:e2cb:4eff:feb2:e567 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382826047 933056 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems OriginalOldMan has made a Pancake Stack interpreter.
< 1382826102 103812 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is OriginalOldMan's name on the IRC channel?
< 1382826233 870525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everyone is on this IRC channel
< 1382826264 753655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've seen him as OriginalOldMan here
< 1382826269 802395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen OriginalOldMan
< 1382826273 508159 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :not lately; try `seen OriginalOldMan ever
< 1382826279 769505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1382826309 827156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen OriginalOldMan ever
< 1382826311 511996 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen OriginalOldMan ever
< 1382826313 717834 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-09-20 22:55:28: Hehe
< 1382826314 448124 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-09-20 22:55:28: Hehe
< 1382826326 798976 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A month ago, huh.
< 1382826345 570563 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe
< 1382826352 539811 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen JWinslow23 ever
< 1382826355 449897 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-10-26 22:25:52: `seen JWinslow23 ever
< 1382826371 412264 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-10-26 22:25:52: `seen JWinslow23 ever
< 1382826376 920083 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny.
< 1382826383 34644 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what you were expecting
< 1382826435 209301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quine Anyone remember this one | rev
< 1382826438 239485 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ver | eno siht rebmemer enoynA eniuq nur`
< 1382826478 172461 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382826483 556684 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quine eight hundred forty three armless and legless corpses floated inconspiculously through | rainwords
< 1382826486 57768 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :hvidiecat
< 1382826487 20302 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :08`run 09quine 02eight 13hundred 06forty 04three 07armless 08and 09legless 02corpses 13floated 06inconspiculously 04through 07| 08rainwords
< 1382826506 698441 :hvidiecat!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1382826515 896782 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quine eight hundred forty three armless and legless corpses floated inconspiculously through
< 1382826518 853199 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quine eight hundred forty three armless and legless corpses floated inconspiculously through
< 1382826523 645775 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine
< 1382826526 60098 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine
< 1382826617 756789 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine "LIVE ON REVILED" | rev
< 1382826620 424383 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine "LIVE ON REVILED" | rev
< 1382826639 3534 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quine "LIVE ON REVILED" | rev
< 1382826641 577153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: idea: `quine experiments with the program you pipe it to to figure out how to reverse it >:)
< 1382826642 36491 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ver | "DELIVER NO EVIL" eniuq nur`
< 1382826662 852749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOU GO RIGHT AHEAD IMPLEMENTING THAT
< 1382826714 790752 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quine "ABLE WAS I" | rev
< 1382826717 583986 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ver | "I SAW ELBA" eniuq nur`
< 1382826759 375872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: idea: reimplement `run to see if `quine would run, if so, it just repeats the original line
< 1382826768 331090 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that hardly seems as fun.
< 1382826943 138383 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quine "A R E W E N O T D R A W N O N W A R D T O N E W E R A" | rev
< 1382826946 149903 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ver | "A R E W E N O T D R A W N O N W A R D T O N E W E R A" eniuq nur`
< 1382826946 554328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does `quine get at the original command line, anyway? the logs?
< 1382826967 977013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine test1
< 1382826969 469646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine test2
< 1382826970 573981 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine test2
< 1382826971 705817 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine test2
< 1382826974 308127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the logs
< 1382827008 997747 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quine "Straw? No, too stupid a fad; I put soot on warts." | rev
< 1382827011 977744 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ver | ".straw no toos tup I ;daf a diputs oot ,oN ?wartS" eniuq nur`
< 1382827013 637500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you could also just output to stderr
< 1382827023 932052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: evil :)
< 1382827028 639262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's do that
< 1382827031 5349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/quine
< 1382827032 313381 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ cd /var/irclogs/_esoteric; cat $(ls ????-??-??.txt | tail -1) | sed 's/[^>]*> //' | grep '^`' | tail -1 #Best cheating quine ever?
< 1382827032 459096 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo mandate that all shell programs are total, then you can compute an inverse
< 1382827058 788984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: total isn't the word you're looking for there
< 1382827060 564303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :const "" is total
< 1382827074 814863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that would make it more boring though
< 1382827080 973188 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh.
< 1382827082 974129 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine YOU'RE STUPID
< 1382827083 212073 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine NO, YOU'RE STUPID!
< 1382827083 859168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and break if you added 2>&1 anyway
< 1382827085 262644 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine NO, YOU'RE STUPID!
< 1382827085 587103 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine NO, YOU'RE STUPID!
< 1382827087 19935 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking is overrated.
< 1382827092 507763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed --in-place -e's/1 #/1 1>&2 #' bin/quine
< 1382827094 38784 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 14: unterminated `s' command
< 1382827097 340421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, whoops
< 1382827101 449102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed --in-place -e's/1 #/1 1>&2 #/' bin/quine
< 1382827105 580346 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1382827113 488104 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine YOU'RE STUPID
< 1382827113 796347 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine NO, YOU'RE STUPID!
< 1382827114 181224 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine NO, YOU'RE STUPID!
< 1382827114 483152 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine NO, YOU'RE STUPID!
< 1382827114 852055 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine NO, YOU'RE STUPID!
< 1382827115 210724 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine NO, YOU'RE STUPID!
< 1382827115 640810 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine NO, YOU'RE STUPID!
< 1382827116 271035 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine NO, YOU'RE STUPID!
< 1382827119 111833 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey JWinslow23
< 1382827120 95436 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine NO, YOU'RE STUPID!
< 1382827120 291223 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/bin/quine: 2: cannot create 1: Read-only file system
< 1382827120 539024 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine NO, YOU'RE STUPID!
< 1382827120 684757 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :ais523
> 1382827120 891373 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1382827121 183186 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/bin/quine: 2: cannot create 1: Read-only file system
< 1382827121 183231 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't fucking do that
< 1382827121 183276 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/bin/quine: 2: cannot create 1: Read-only file system
< 1382827122 2074 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/bin/quine: 2: cannot create 1: Read-only file system
< 1382827122 424322 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/bin/quine: 2: cannot create 1: Read-only file system
< 1382827123 232517 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/bin/quine: 2: cannot create 1: Read-only file system
< 1382827123 631405 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/bin/quine: 2: cannot create 1: Read-only file system
< 1382827123 780475 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/bin/quine: 2: cannot create 1: Read-only file system
< 1382827125 12727 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/bin/quine: 2: cannot create 1: Read-only file system
< 1382827125 188841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 KICK #esoteric JWinslow23 :stop spamming
< 1382827125 334430 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/bin/quine: 2: cannot create 1: Read-only file system
< 1382827132 358535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 MODE #esoteric -o :ais523
> 1382827132 381294 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1382827142 212147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1382827143 948924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the second time he has been kicked for spamming...
< 1382827146 396768 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1382827146 967670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/quine
< 1382827148 356733 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ cd /var/irclogs/_esoteric; cat $(ls ????-??-??.txt | tail -1) | sed 's/[^>]*> //' | grep '^`' | tail -1 #Best cheating quine ever?
< 1382827153 516617 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get what's hard to understand
< 1382827158 948693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I messed up the 1>&2, forgot to escape the &
< 1382827162 848148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll leave it like the original
< 1382827171 943159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for not doing that faster, the commands take some time to type
< 1382827177 889455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q
< 1382827180 606212 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott
> 1382827180 619168 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1382827180 950670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, the kicking the spammer that is
< 1382827182 610351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/kick foo
< 1382827183 529004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott
> 1382827183 551655 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1382827195 532043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I needed to type the reason too :(
< 1382827195 799834 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you people use chanserv
< 1382827197 903873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have /msg chanserv op # muscle-memoried because of #haskell
< 1382827200 654076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas you needed to escape the /
< 1382827205 715952 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst dictators ever imo
< 1382827209 252856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, I was cheating with /cs
< 1382827228 751307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never bothered to set up a /cs alias
< 1382827242 621590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly a "/csk" alias to do the whole thing. For advanced cheaters only.
< 1382827253 379740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I didn't, either
< 1382827261 329737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Konversation sends unknown slash-commands onto the server
< 1382827266 48511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Freenode implements a nonstandard CS command
< 1382827267 152036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, I should just make kickban commands auto-op, but I don't want to write the script or install an existing one to do it
< 1382827289 808798 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this server doesn't have /cs kick like esper does
< 1382827299 895440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to have to do that much opping that a shortcut is useful
< 1382827307 828435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm amused that JWinslow23 didn't rejoin
< 1382827320 352106 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reflecting on his actions no doubt
< 1382827320 591556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally people would in that situation
< 1382827394 47466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: There's a "chanserv quiet", though.
< 1382827441 359859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an alias for /^msg chanserv op #esoteric , you might be able to guess what it's called.
< 1382827452 727143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the ^ for
< 1382827468 838507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prevent opening a stupid query window
< 1382827469 68732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it called "/evildictatormode"?
< 1382827475 547032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nope
< 1382827487 440807 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: /hackegoquine?
< 1382827494 501800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, no.
< 1382827498 651936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it must be called /opsoteric, whimsically.
< 1382827524 300328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you people are just not pun thinking enough.
< 1382827566 636997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oprjan
< 1382827620 342216 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382827620 526600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*
< 1382827668 987803 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1382827690 23578 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, I get it. it's /sigh right
< 1382827717 293153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats coppro -----###
< 1382827726 629852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no it's not /swat either)
< 1382827743 902011 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I presume /swat is for swatting
< 1382827760 625714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually have an alias for that.
< 1382827839 306449 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :manual swatting? how old school
< 1382827853 805901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the swatter needs precision handling, olsner
< 1382827976 773950 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382828908 840515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the idea of using skew binary in data structures is p. nifty imo
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< 1382829502 216755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like there ought to be a better way of representing skew numbers
< 1382829542 471009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. (Bool, [Bit]) (with the Bool representing whether the least-significant 1 is actually a 2)
< 1382829548 108723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some special handling for 0 or something
< 1382829560 798843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that might be a red herring because you can have skew n-ary
< 1382830353 206682 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1382831432 640866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/bGaH -- wonder if I should report that as an Emscripten issue. (Actually puzzling it out sounds a bit too much like work.)
< 1382831668 843639 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:e2cb:4eff:feb2:e567 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1382831704 6548 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_
< 1382831798 688853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should some computer game include one item is a sign that says "Oak: Now is not the time to use that!" written on it?
< 1382831858 983860 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382833106 790411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I did dig out that it's an alignment issue, because aligning a (manually positioned) buffer it sticks in memory on an 8-byte boundary fixes the thing. AIUI, they've had quite a lot of those. (But the test fails even when DOUBLE_MODE=1, which should be the default.)
< 1382833217 84899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to the ordinary angels in a Dungeons&Dragons game are they don't particularly like it much, and isn't very applicable to Gxxyuxihuvxi religion, I make up new ideas about "celestials of Gxxyuxihuvxi" they are different (still Outsider) creatures, which are difference from others including they have no mouth or hand or feet, but does have shiny bright wings similar to insects wings, various eyes, tentacles, and spikes, and two antennas. They have
< 1382833777 588938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i am reminded of the cherubs in narbonic here: http://www.webcomicsnation.com/shaenongarrity/narbonic/series.php?view=archive&chapter=10298
< 1382833827 95285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(best view in the second to last strip)
< 1382833894 908759 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1382834019 692707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the main picture here http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OurAngelsAreDifferent
< 1382834100 291845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSA: European Collective Time Travel in 26 Minutes
< 1382834121 755858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not 25 minutes?
< 1382834140 989048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i didn't notice the time changing just before pressing return.
< 1382834233 870923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not describing angels.
< 1382834248 849573 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382834280 174912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no, but i'm saying your description still is close to some stuff i've seen called angels
< 1382834334 921913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tvtropes page is going on about angels not needing to look human, of course.
< 1382834395 337606 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. OK, so that is how you meant
< 1382834567 734428 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to say i saw cherubs with eyes before narbonic but i don't remember where
< 1382834756 521639 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maimonides said that the ability of zygotes to form organs were cherubim, apparently.
< 1382834833 562890 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really should go ahead and write code that works with er/ir macros but not syntax-case, and code that works with syntax-case but not er/ir macros
< 1382834841 356177 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, not translatable easily between them
< 1382834863 989906 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for the Chicken Scheme code, I need to get emacs working in order for me to stay sane :/
< 1382834869 162862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes do that if it can show the difference between them, and possibly if they both have use to do otherwise
< 1382834876 284179 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382834884 868687 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difference, as I currently understand it:
< 1382834889 947238 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that even have to do with the merkabah
< 1382834894 999079 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er/ir allows you to only access the 'outermost' context and the macro's own context, and syntax-case lets you access your own context as well as any context of the input form, but you can't say just 'outermost context'
< 1382834914 420585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also include other things: It cannot live in material plane for more than fifty hours at a time, unless there is a special blessing to do so. Two kind of eye beams are heal beam and confuse beam, and one other magical ability is to borrow some skills and intelligence points of someone they have grappled, for exactly 24 hours (after that it is reset).
< 1382834974 457322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In anti-magic such effects are unusable but can continue; illuminated wings remain illuminated too. In anti-magic only physical attacks are usable, and from what I can tell there are only two: spikes and tentacles.)
< 1382834983 511049 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is a context
< 1382835021 545267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I forgot one more magic ability which is "aura of righteousness of holiness" is a continuous ability.
< 1382835041 80088 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking about lexical contexts
< 1382835054 408937 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although in the case of er/ir macros, they don't physically exist, I think
< 1382835057 479862 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just conceptually
< 1382835139 453415 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhuh.
< 1382835180 993161 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ir macros are beautiful, you should learn them
< 1382835203 508237 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think they're limited in some ways, but still trying to wrap my mind around how
< 1382835208 469214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSA: European Collective Time Travel in 8 Minutes
< 1382835211 674942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: have you learned lenses yet
< 1382835219 912991 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1382835224 536395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to be having an off-by-one error.
< 1382835272 4609 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.call-cc.org/explicit-renaming-macros
< 1382835286 497863 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love ir macros, they're so easy
< 1382835287 257709 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.>
< 1382835301 12726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo........................
< 1382835334 395346 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf.....................
< 1382835346 63797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: imo who cares about european time anyway
< 1382835347 187723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the meme is not dead that can eternal lie
< 1382835372 159675 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382835393 455789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mnoqy
< 1382835609 796956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello past non-europeans!
< 1382835610 959811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Did you feel some sort of a glitch there?
< 1382835611 224324 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 96. 154 minutes past bedtime. bye-bye. if you
< 1382835623 304936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the time warp may have confused fungot.
< 1382835623 761847 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's about what i thought, but it did break when i used it to show the answer is " no" without any bad connotations but if you have a distaste for writing gross boilerplate code in c
< 1382835635 702563 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1382835637 264215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you mean more than usual?
< 1382835637 424078 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what time is it
< 1382835649 662072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it
< 1382835653 267950 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :18
< 1382835655 342763 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fragile understanding of the hour has been shattered
< 1382835655 853917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s 2 AM
< 1382835687 269592 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 1 am now, according to my phone
< 1382835693 539211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My opinion is that daylight saving time is a bad idea!
< 1382835714 22512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it is a popular opinion.
< 1382835718 563403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's 3 AM.
< 1382835735 32720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear we have been scattered all over the time stream
< 1382835760 729376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: having fun on your time-traveling peninsula?
< 1382835762 424193 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point there was an attempt to put the uk permanently in summer time, and move actual summer time an hour further forward
< 1382835771 937296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In here where I am, daylight saving time is not changed back yet.
< 1382835781 732576 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is usual this was actually an insidious plot by the english to repress the scots, and was defeated accordingly
< 1382835797 705180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dot: graph is too large for cairo-renderer bitmaps. Scaling by 0.027679 to fit" uh
< 1382835811 541753 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1382835824 138145 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that happens?
< 1382835828 815356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the end result was a 32767x15 file.
< 1382835832 176791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since nobody will be here in Monday to watch Murdoch on TV, it means, that the VCR is set to record it and won't get mixed up due to daylight saving time, so it will work correctly. (However, even if it is changing, it might still work because this VCR has a setting for daylight saving time in it.)
< 1382835837 57555 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen dot graphs that crash my entire computer.
< 1382835858 321601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but this was supposed to be like the simplest thing ever.
< 1382835886 682944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simplest thing ever: less common than you'd think!
< 1382835912 605608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they should fix it so that the clock is 12 PM when it is mean noon.
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< 1382835972 827623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think 12AM should mean noon and 0AM should mean midnight
< 1382836019 977421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you logread!!
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< 1382836323 785 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dst is scary
< 1382836466 241624 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kills thousands of people every spring
< 1382836473 26920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 doesn't believe in useable transport time tables.
< 1382837000 104881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the electronic timetables in a train station I went to were showing that the trains which were scheduled at 13:40ish were late and expected to arrive at 02:08ish
< 1382837035 313417 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: such considerations matter not before "fixing" things to be "more correct"!
< 1382837041 732485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it was a DST-related mistake, if one was 24 hours and the other was 12 hours, or if the machine incorrectly thought they were actually over 12 hours late
< 1382837043 942012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: OKAY
< 1382837068 870933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls he did once miss his train because of forgetting dst had started that day.
< 1382837115 200685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend only to use trains that come frequently enough that I can just pick the next train after I arrive, whenever that is
< 1382837162 734324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was long distance, so only three times a day.
< 1382837182 399951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a channel for that
< 1382837185 318413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess that's not really about distance.
< 1382837197 732234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is there a pun here.
< 1382837209 986581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1382837214 593816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#cslounge-trains
< 1382837238 715896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't "do" puns
< 1382837241 530055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anymore
< 1382837243 614642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm retired
< 1382837281 634389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as erdős would say, died
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< 1382837382 664950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Didn't he retire himself already?
< 1382837494 395942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think you are reversing the lingo.
< 1382837536 740054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erdős left, however.
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< 1382842841 924691 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://twitter.com/BiciChic/status/393831136029200384/photo/1 "Just so we're clear, this is why lots of people cycle in the Netherlands. Not because it's flat."
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< 1382844623 869530 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty sweet
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< 1382844958 40137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wikipedia has articles for "posetal category" and "thin category" which seem to be about the same thing.
< 1382844986 622704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo someone should mark them as duplicates or something. is there a way of doing that.......
< 1382845357 826981 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a thing for marking that one should be merged into the other at least
< 1382845462 346924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"which one though"
< 1382845478 852962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is more general because it's not restricted to small categories
< 1382845510 735975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: do you know about heyting algebras and things
< 1382845576 198124 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: never heard of it but it looks alright
< 1382845601 769962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's just like a cartesian closed lattice
< 1382845628 869047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so of course it's "alright"
< 1382845668 326009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(imo people should say "all right" instead of "alright" it would be an improvement in the world but a very small one)
< 1382845697 183280 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if they said aight instead. what then.
< 1382845755 155421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :look no need to get extreme mnoqy there's a limit to everything
< 1382845766 998699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in a complete heytina algebra there is
< 1382845788 67119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ng
< 1382845952 121514 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1382845957 15691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so if you have arbitrary joins and finite meets in a lattice and meets distribute over joins then you can define implication(exponentials) with a -> b = join {c : c meet a <= b}
< 1382846056 23607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does something like that make sense in other categories
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< 1382847819 236992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! Why do you like to change the topic with the perfume?
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< 1382847892 931504 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1382847955 764277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some electronic device labeled "GTCO Corporation DIGI-PAD (R)". Do you know what this is?
< 1382848176 710748 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
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< 1382848365 771730 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://joshreads.com/images/13/10/i131025heathcliff.jpg related
< 1382848657 680049 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good funny
< 1382849350 796747 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's bad funny?
< 1382849361 50709 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this
< 1382849749 641113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of any program that converts between UTF, VLQ, and raw formats?
< 1382849938 178198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you convert UTF-8 to UTF-8, you get rid of overlong encodings but will retain surrogates. If you convert UTF-8 to UTF-16 and then UTF-16 to UTF-8, you will convert CESU-8 to proper UTF-8. If you convert UTF-8 to UTF-16 and then treat the result as raw 16-bit data and convert that to UTF-8, then you will get CESU-8.)
< 1382850749 172324 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Note that UTF-8 to UTF-16 to UTF-8 only does that *if* you don't validate the UTF-8 parsing.
< 1382850777 249164 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-16 surrogates are not valid Unicode, so UTF-8 with surrogates is a parse error.
< 1382850805 670953 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though this assumes the UTF-8 parser checks. If not, then that is what happens, yes)
< 1382850830 806230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I am not intending to validate that it is valid Unicode or that it isn't overlong; that would be a separate option. (If it doesn't have to valid Unicode, then UTF-8 can encode up to 36-bit numbers.)
< 1382850867 60635 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so more discussing the UTF-8 integer encoding scheme.
< 1382850867 913657 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :K.
< 1382850877 309556 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which really needs a better name. :P
< 1382850933 701075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it checks for valid Unicode, then treating UTF-16 as raw 16-bit data and converting to UTF-8 would equally fail.
< 1382851074 614293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some UTF-8 files do contain UTF-16 surrogates; such thing isn't proper Unicode but some programs might not care (VGMCK (a program I wrote) only reads UTF-8 in order to convert to UTF-16, and doesn't treat surrogates as anything special, so it will read them just fine and not be a parse error).
< 1382851111 329657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A program which instead decodes UTF-8 to look them up in a font might not work if it contains surrogates, though.
< 1382851246 965228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do other programs allow you to enter trailing spaces that aren't stripped if you use overlong encodings?
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< 1382851565 428661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect any that decode UTF-8 in the same way to do so, but do any other programs do that?
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< 1382861233 949268 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god I think the clocks went back last night but I'm not sure if my computer changed automatically or not so I have no idea what time it is
< 1382861251 19223 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, my computer changed automatically
< 1382861263 850705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are network time servers too if required
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< 1382862236 236430 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull
< 1382863880 833555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there tsume shogi for Nintendo DS?
< 1382864090 316996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: presumably you knew the current time to be within a particular set of measure zero so that's as good as actually knowing what time it is right
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< 1382864427 368490 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, nah, I googled it
< 1382864430 631482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have played a few different tsume shogi for GameBoy, from I'MAX, Imagineer, and Athena. The one from Athena is best, I think.
< 1382864585 319308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we in the states are still in summertime
< 1382864591 578672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one more week
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< 1382867490 547736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the place I live in Canada, it is also the daylight saving time one more week. I think because they just copied the same rule.
< 1382867508 94955 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is in order to do business more easily.
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< 1382868196 909950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uncaught TypeError: Object # has no method 'toBlob'" -- so lame.
< 1382868219 645220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's on the canvas, not the context.
< 1382868323 430110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uncaught TypeError: Object # has no method 'toBlob'" well that's not any better.
< 1382868368 767756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Experimental draft" "Implementation status: [empty space]" I guess that's a bit too new.
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< 1382869451 854108 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of Firefox and Chromium supports that at least
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< 1382878779 93602 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey folks
< 1382878785 269730 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the good C compiler for windows
< 1382878794 814770 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna try to esolang a bit
< 1382879271 521353 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe PRIVMSG #esoteric :visual studio?
< 1382879384 836309 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some dude advised Dev C++, is it wise
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< 1382881052 368215 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :C on Windows is not wise by definition
< 1382881283 213002 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc under mingw?
< 1382881351 486356 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382881595 298628 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm following a haskell "tutorial" that seems aimed at "imperative programmers"
< 1382881643 584544 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ten chapters and one calculator implemented, still no sign of monads
< 1382881660 286991 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's still not clear how you can manage I/O without side effects
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< 1382882577 997704 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tried Learn You a Haskell?
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< 1382882965 416120 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, also note the standard caveats that monads aren't that huge of a deal, that there are plenty of monads that aren't IO and have nothing to do with 'side effects', that IO would be perfectly doable without monads
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< 1382883921 70137 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: well I almost won that book in a quizz at a scala symposium three days ago, but the girl I was with insisted we played for free, so we didn't get the book :(
< 1382883968 763607 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well there's a free online version too :p
< 1382883970 350840 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I'm just trying to grasp the whole "we're purely functional but side-effects are not a problem" thingy
< 1382883977 994135 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should get the printed version though
< 1382884454 146786 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this tutorial is also kinda weird because it keeps insisting on the "differences" between object-oriented, imperative, and functional, whereas I always think in terms of similarities (patterns), not differences
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< 1382884894 402392 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I hate that haskell uses indentation as part of the semantics
< 1382885100 892768 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it doesn't, but rather have it be sugar for { ... ; ... ; ... }
< 1382885109 977419 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I may be wrong; I'm not really a Haskeller
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< 1382885546 495311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The how-to guide to changing the topic with environmentally friendly hypoallergenic lenses | PDF yourself: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ or http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1382886088 501069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : also I hate that haskell uses indentation as part of the semantics <-- that's syntax not semantics.
< 1382886103 101718 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes my apology
< 1382886129 15283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can go sit there together with zzo38 and refuse to use it :P
< 1382886307 759169 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :refuse to use haskell? or indentation?
< 1382886881 965946 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the word 'it'?
< 1382887087 394884 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, as for the side effects thing, aiui the way it works is that the IO monad represents ad-hoc imperative programs which handle all the stateful stuff
< 1382887165 835947 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well as far as I understand "it's okay to have side-effects in the main function, but the other functions are pure"
< 1382887199 877847 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm guessing the IO monad is just a convenient way to pass the information to main
< 1382887254 438514 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, this is wrong
< 1382887264 255659 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :main isn't even a function; its type is IO ()
< 1382887329 429421 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it's (a representation of) an imperative program which at some point will produce a value of type (), and possibly do other things besides
< 1382887567 913471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: as FireFly mentioned, all indentation sensitivity in haskell is sugar for explicit { ; } blocks.
< 1382887576 883332 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly getChar :: IO Char produces a value of type Char, and in the process consumes a character from stdin
< 1382887693 904814 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but I'm not sure how I could choose not to use it
< 1382887728 234972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: well you could use { ; } instead when writing programs. of course it won't help with reading other people's programs.
< 1382887742 301143 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: well we did use getChar but I really couldn't see how that was any different from getchar in any other language
< 1382887778 423269 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so for instance I could write "let { x = 4; y = 5 } in x + y"?
< 1382887785 315129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1382887802 438526 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1382887848 591167 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, because in other languages the type of getchar is just char, and it's treated as a function with no arguments
< 1382887852 280770 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does that mean if I write "do" and then a newline and then "{", the newline will be syntactic sugar for an outter block?
< 1382887885 159030 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1382887894 475600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: no. the { being the first token after the do is precisely what turns off the usual indentation sensitivity.
< 1382887895 400675 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll have to drop the Unlambda ` for limp.
< 1382887904 672174 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works best for mono-letter functions
< 1382887917 667307 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :getChar is neither a function nor a character, it's a representation of an imperative program
< 1382887932 823333 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that means
< 1382888017 274783 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well imagine it as an actual program in some imperative language
< 1382888031 463753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: in haskell, getChar has an IO type, which tells that it can do side effects. things that are not marked with such a type cannot call things that are.
< 1382888044 633059 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1382888051 892143 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, aaaargh i was trying to avoid that explanation
< 1382888064 46536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: SOOOOOO SOOOOOORRRYYY
< 1382888066 604953 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kinda disappointing but at least I understand
< 1382888083 455318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: it seemed to help?
< 1382888111 948475 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because he now has the standard misconception that IO is a language-level hack that marks some functions as 'contaminated' with 'statefulness'
< 1382888131 949027 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I do
< 1382888154 335280 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like in C some functions on strings give the "constant" type to their argument
< 1382888158 175699 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and others don't
< 1382888182 181770 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't; IO is in principle an ordinary algebraic data type, albeit one which is hidden for implementation reasons
< 1382888238 818083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: Phantom__Hoover does have a point that IO values are _not_ functions, they are used differently.
< 1382888240 379288 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I guess I'll understand once I've read more about monads; and in the mean time I'll use oerjan's explanation
< 1382888254 836902 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads won't help you understand IO!!!
< 1382888263 410246 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1382888305 582972 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads are just a structure over a type (which can be something as everyday as lists, or Maybe if you've encountered that) and a couple of functions operating on those structures in certain ways
< 1382888335 271623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not convinced Phantom__Hoover's way of explaining this is actually better.
< 1382888347 438530 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not is it
< 1382888370 967282 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought haskellwiki had a good explanation of IO but all it has is the State RealWorld malarkey
< 1382888374 674137 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1382888432 377545 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was told Maybe is just option
< 1382888452 615819 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1382888514 736205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: one important point to be aware of is that evaluating an IO action is not the same as running it, and only the latter performs any actual IO.
< 1382888527 513860 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1382888587 455844 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but getChar cannot be evaluated without being run, right?
< 1382888611 718992 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1382888617 84074 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1382888619 109986 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, yes!
< 1382888620 932470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _can_, although because of haskell's default laziness it is unlikely to happen by accident.
< 1382888633 825579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> getChar `seq` "hello"
< 1382888635 211496 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hello"
< 1382888643 608061 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that there's not an awful lot you can do with an IO value except run it
< 1382888656 720845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that technically evaluated getChar, although in a useless way.
< 1382888754 411268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps more accurately is to say that there is no way to _use_ an IO value without running it.
< 1382888781 708885 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also, in theory, have a function of type IO () -> Int that evaluated something stupid about the IO action itself
< 1382888786 918134 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how long it is or something
< 1382888832 314159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think haskell has any non-IO means of analyzing IO actions.
< 1382888860 364363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't recall much of IO means either, although who knows what exists out there.
< 1382888909 580597 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it doesn't actually have any such function because, as i said, it's stupid
< 1382888917 302530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that Storable / StablePointer stuff from the ffi could probably do something.
< 1382888943 673602 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, in theory, you could have such a function, and it would be as pure as any other
< 1382888973 660209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right if IO was implemented as an ADT as you suggested.
< 1382889163 202185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sig: -nan inf inf inf -inf -inf -inf inf -inf inf -inf inf -inf inf inf inf"
< 1382889167 629174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Best signal?)
< 1382889216 499131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nani
< 1382889359 937965 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if that output is from Lua
< 1382889370 768728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not.
< 1382889393 241866 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess 'nan' and 'inf' (with that case) is more common than where I've seen it used, then
< 1382889411 893867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from glibc.
< 1382889421 217565 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see
< 1382889684 711805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (replicate 16 (0/0),"BATMAN!")
< 1382889686 19653 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : ([NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN],"BATMAN!")
< 1382889762 519385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> [float('inf'), -float('inf'), float('inf')-float('inf')]
< 1382889762 665316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[inf, -inf, nan]
< 1382889765 33774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python also.
< 1382889839 702796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1/0*)<*>[1,-1,0]
< 1382889841 153903 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[a0 -> b0]'
< 1382889841 299306 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `a1...
< 1382889845 167414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1382889851 614734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1/0*)<$>[1,-1,0]
< 1382889852 823417 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [Infinity,-Infinity,NaN]
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< 1382890022 378910 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am wondering
< 1382890040 184809 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the lazy vs eager evaluation have a parallel with queue vs stack?
< 1382890065 828249 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like you can implement it via piling or queueing instructions
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< 1382890590 822482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think queuing instructions doesn't correspond to any of those evaluation strategies.
< 1382890619 337904 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1382890714 624679 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stacks are cool for scopes
< 1382890736 27528 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :queues are not cool, but more likely to give you turing-completeness :)
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< 1382890926 521647 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I don't really worry about turing completeness
< 1382890935 742194 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to mash together 5 Turing complete languages
< 1382890940 395074 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be fine
< 1382890971 400683 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we want names
< 1382890983 947888 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what would be good
< 1382890984 490739 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same old thang : http://esolangs.org/wiki/Limp
< 1382891000 886732 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :combining 5 turing complete languages in such a way that it's no longer turing complete
< 1382891018 578111 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys : That would be quite a fuck up
< 1382891031 668888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1382891055 397966 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it would be a challenge in and of itself
< 1382891080 165603 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be possible?
< 1382891082 917309 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fake-completeness paradigm
< 1382891087 383575 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno
< 1382891106 444899 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you could take those 5 languages, and restrict the language to just one of those for a particular program
< 1382891111 100278 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And bam, it would be TC
< 1382891126 594617 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For that to work, you'd have to add restrictions on those languages as well
< 1382891133 216161 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it depends on how they're combined
< 1382891163 573290 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what combining means
< 1382891172 598602 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess!
< 1382891185 42562 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't think off the cuff on how that would work
< 1382891301 141213 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if a program in your language consists in a pipeline of five programs, each in one of the five turing-complete languages
< 1382891327 692895 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the pipeline is such that it is no longer possible to do anything you want
< 1382891338 87405 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, err, maybe encoding of input and output is fucked up
< 1382891365 897105 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea of it looking like it should work but not actually working
< 1382891388 672377 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1382891394 489473 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you could try mixing it up
< 1382891397 796711 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like say
< 1382891406 495944 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take recursive functions and Lisp
< 1382891417 985542 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And switch the operators
< 1382891435 697349 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like suddenly cons car cdr are applied (in some way) to numbers, and succ to lists
< 1382891458 228659 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In such a way that it makes sense, but isn't TC anymore
< 1382891472 291759 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Succ(list) = (list,Nil) and such
< 1382891483 64667 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'succ' feels like cons except you forgot to tell it what element to add to the list
< 1382891583 238821 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm off to watch Gravity maybe it'll give me ideas :)
< 1382891588 680272 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"
< 1382891916 827965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugged an old Wacom tablet in the same hub where a memory card reader was: http://sprunge.us/HWNi
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< 1382893427 124327 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang coding is hard to get back to
< 1382893433 55768 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't code in C in 4 years
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< 1382899755 682592 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Douglas Hofstadter is so very infuriating when I try and get something solid out of reading his books.
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< 1382899840 77569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because there is very little solid in them
< 1382899884 475624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Chris%20Pressey#Esoteric_Reading_List.21
< 1382899913 838244 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. I hoped and hoped wrong.
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< 1382899981 473405 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1382899997 684774 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the record Gravity has the Koen seal of approval
< 1382900033 632691 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where would we be without gravity, after all
< 1382900087 202887 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Sandra Bullock could answer that
< 1382900177 833571 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw the title "fluid concepts and creative analogies" and thought that there would be some useful techniques I could use for when I wanted to figure out if two things were similar. But the programs in the book are not good at what they do, or illuminating in how they do it.
< 1382900412 358505 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was useful in that he blasted some competitors and so I was able to find the competitor's useful work
< 1382900745 832029 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382900855 607457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: haha
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< 1382900897 108657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mostly agree, although I still think the beginning of GEB is a solid introduction to metamathematics
< 1382900937 593553 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :His book about translating a french poem is also enjoyable because there are no computers involved
< 1382900970 942418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that don't involve computers are often enjoyable
< 1382900991 633493 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i disagree!
< 1382901032 389140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: GEB was like 10% expanding the way I think, 40% enjoying the dialogues, 50% being bored of the hundred-page step-by-step formal logic derivations and sceptical of the "brain = Godel!!!!1111" crap
< 1382901038 401412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... a mess
< 1382901062 862786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1382901065 218561 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hot mess
< 1382901104 32957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's worth reading iff you have a lot of free time and aren't going to buy into his theory of consciousness
< 1382901151 794064 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a 12 year old kid I loved it.
< 1382901184 361366 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I had a tendency to only read the dialogues.
< 1382901203 822475 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :being 12 also helps
< 1382901219 684464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was 11 or something I think
< 1382901233 686007 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i was 12 when i read it
< 1382901241 83066 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 11 tho
< 1382901241 368600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:03 < kmc> achilles and the tortoise rob a liquor store
< 1382901475 329041 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still need to read it
< 1382901680 85009 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough if you want to, but I doubt that you need to
< 1382901769 803215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :==
< 1382901871 241037 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth?
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< 1382904799 431911 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
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< 1382905059 781157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://babelstone.blogspot.com/2013/10/whats-new-in-unicode-70.html
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< 1382905205 432358 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about time they added 1F595
< 1382905452 682105 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1382907141 512458 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :propumpkin
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< 1382907194 258944 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? coconut
< 1382907198 811710 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :coconut? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1382907424 147569 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? conut
< 1382907425 772010 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :conut? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1382907649 212949 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382907853 386779 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nut
< 1382907855 164149 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :nut? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1382907912 45633 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so has anyone made cobrainfuck?
< 1382907948 201404 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should that be
< 1382907988 908727 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :would making a cobrainfuck derivative unbrick your brain?
< 1382907989 585737 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, elliot's the one with the esoteric math knowledge
< 1382908071 139918 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1382909005 10835 :Diren!~1538@78.171.168.66 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Selamlar.
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< 1382909140 978244 :Selamlar!0597401f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED
< 1382909167 674893 :Diren!~1538@78.171.168.66 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1382909195 511679 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Diren
< 1382909198 61708 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diren: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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< 1382910088 37536 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com NICK :augur
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< 1382911360 764613 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow is probably my favourite Eurovision day
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< 1382911526 82025 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the UK will ever have a decent entry ever again
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< 1382911674 590441 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1382911870 535602 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have your Eurovision participant thingy during the autumn?
< 1382911893 259849 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do?
< 1382911906 958871 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eurovision?
< 1382911912 291821 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye
< 1382911976 297390 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, I don't think we do, I'm just thinking about EuroVision
< 1382911987 711702 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1382912036 247113 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's normally just decided by the BBC
< 1382912046 640840 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a couple of years ago they had a talent contest?
< 1382912085 600782 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :We usually have one each year to decide who is to represent Sweden
< 1382912099 229795 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melodifestivalen
< 1382912101 883583 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it works for you
< 1382912144 981377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a thing too.
< 1382912152 142393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm not sure it has any sort of proper name.
< 1382912156 173625 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: o.O you don't get to vote!?
< 1382912170 549661 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that is decided by the BBC
< 1382912182 528287 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we get to vote in the Eurovision final itself
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< 1382915567 699285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Chris%20Pressey#Esoteric_Reading_List.21 <-- does his inclusion of ANKOS at the end mean the two previous are meant ironically as well?
< 1382915600 436008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*previous ones
< 1382915635 52391 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GEB is worth a read
< 1382915644 427269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i started on it once.
< 1382915668 839612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey, i can already quine backwards and forwards, so what can it teach me.
< 1382915784 265826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey was not impressed by GEB, no
< 1382915820 281798 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i recall he summed it up to me as 750 pages of recursion as a religious experience
< 1382915827 906094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he didn't unambiguously hate Laws of Form, though. there are degrees of irony!
< 1382915869 697808 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought laws of form was the dumbest of the lot
< 1382915901 890345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ankos has nice pictures, you cannot deny that.
< 1382915969 559492 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find some deep satisfaction that the legacy wolfram will leave is as the man who made calculus homework orders of magnitude easier
< 1382916037 428006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i find some deep satisfaction that the legacy wolfram will leave is as the man who made calculus homework orders of magnitude easier
< 1382916042 360022 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1123) i find some deep satisfaction that the legacy wolfram will leave is as the man who made calculus homework orders of magnitude easier
< 1382916059 519526 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaargh that should've been *in the fact that
< 1382916081 166006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot add a non-literal quote, you know.
< 1382916092 860757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: quick, say the whole thing
< 1382916136 165792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's ok i've been bitten by it myself.
< 1382916143 105225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc.
< 1382916145 770098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find some deep satisfaction in the fact that the legacy wolfram will leave is as the man who made calculus homework orders of magnitude easier
< 1382916161 307377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i find some deep satisfaction in the fact that the legacy wolfram will leave is as the man who made calculus homework orders of magnitude easier
< 1382916165 598749 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1124) i find some deep satisfaction in the fact that the legacy wolfram will leave is as the man who made calculus homework orders of magnitude easier
< 1382916193 984793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 1123
< 1382916199 570993 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof* i find some deep satisfaction that the legacy wolfram will leave is as the man who made calculus homework orders of magnitude easier
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< 1382916972 963992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'Ezoterik programlama dili tasarım ve dağıtım için uluslararası merkezi hoş geldiniz! Http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page: Daha fazla bilgi için, bizim wiki göz atın. (Esoterica diğer tür için, irc.dal.net üzerinde # ezoterik deneyin.)' >wisdom/selamlar
< 1382916976 586638 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1382917061 787334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_maybe_ it shouldn't translate the dal.net irc channel name.
< 1382917103 463701 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric
< 1382917209 654805 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1382917251 377866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/ezoterik/esoteric/' wisdom/selamlar
< 1382917255 111698 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1382917262 789120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? selamlar
< 1382917265 89284 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ezoterik programlama dili tasarım ve dağıtım için uluslararası merkezi hoş geldiniz! Http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page: Daha fazla bilgi için, bizim wiki göz atın. (Esoterica diğer tür için, irc.dal.net üzerinde # esoteric deneyin.)
< 1382917273 488354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm..
< 1382917288 361834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/ esoteric/esoteric/' wisdom/selamlar
< 1382917292 160445 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
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< 1382919497 400844 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :3ds.pokemon-gl.com appears to have been written by a moron.
< 1382919513 954422 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :