00:06:11 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 00:08:14 http://imgur.com/gallery/IkUDj 00:10:38 have the youtube commenters migrated to imgur 00:13:33 -!- kmc has set topic: SUNTORY BOSS is the boss of them all since 1992 | Koirammekokaan ei lennä? :( | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ or http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/. 00:15:03 -!- prooftechnique has joined. 00:17:26 hmm 00:17:57 i see a few places calling the real plane with a point at infinity 'projective' (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptic_curve#The_group_law ) 00:18:12 this does not make much sense to me 00:18:16 TRESPASSERS W 00:20:56 oh, in that article it's the specific point at infinity corresponding to the y axis 00:21:03 shachaf: :) 00:21:43 the projective plane has a line at infinity, not just a point. 00:21:53 * kmc -> afk 00:22:08 oerjan, this is why i was confused 00:22:47 (while we're at it: is the surface at infinity of the 3d projective space a 2-sphere or the projective plane?) 00:27:10 eep 00:28:04 the projective plane. 00:29:46 -!- zzo38 has joined. 00:30:16 in homogeneous coordinates, the subspaces at infinity are just the elements that have a fixed coordinate 0, so you cannot normalize it to 1. 00:30:41 but this is the same as the projective space of one lower dimension. 00:32:29 that is, R^3 embeds into the projective space as (x,y,z,1) and points of the form (x,y,z,0) are the infinite remainder. 00:42:46 oerjan, yeah, i realised this right after asking 00:43:19 it's just the subspace (x,y,z,0) over the same equivalence relation as the normal projective plane 00:48:36 -!- yorick has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:53:56 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: impomatic). 00:55:23 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 00:56:47 -!- sebbu has joined. 01:02:14 Working on my own eso language, currently looks like this: https://github.com/gigimoi/B2D/blob/master/examples/fibonnaci.b2d 01:04:48 it's "fibonacci" hth 01:06:38 hm that would look better if [ and ] swapped meanings in the opposite direction 01:09:07 for years i thought it was fibocanni 01:10:01 I though paradigm was pronounced paradiggum 01:10:26 i thought that also 01:11:41 oerjan: And perhaps you'd use ⎴ and ⎵ when going up/down too? 01:12:00 it's ok, mispronouncing words because you've only read them is a sign of erudition (pretend i mispronounced the word "erudition" here) 01:14:41 fizzie: i see no point in using those little squares 01:14:58 Yes I have pronounce words wrong too due to only reading them, and so have other people, even Feynman was studying biology but never learned it in the class so he mispronounced everything too, and my father said he also mispronounced everything at first; a lot of people do. 01:18:09 `@ oerjan unidecode ⎴⎵ 01:18:11 oerjan: [U+23B4 TOP SQUARE BRACKET] [U+23B5 BOTTOM SQUARE BRACKET] 01:18:53 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:25:46 -!- CADD has joined. 01:31:24 -!- nooodl_ has joined. 01:31:37 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:39:18 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:41:37 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 01:56:39 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:13:57 -!- augur has joined. 02:28:45 The dancing Imakuni?'s card is much more useful than the ordinary Imakuni?'s card! (The dancing Imakuni?'s card allows you to make your active pokemon card sleeping, confused, paralyzed, or poisoned, according to your choice.) 02:31:21 zzo38, yesterday afternoon I played my first session of D&D 02:32:03 During which in the first encounter my character got transformed into a walking plot device 02:33:58 Which is kind of useful because now the party actually has a reason to keep me alive 02:34:11 (my character is the only nice character in the party) 02:34:47 Taneb: Ah, OK. Well, now you don't have to defend yourself against attacks they make against you, I suppose. 02:35:02 zzo38, I thought it was fun to play a pacifist 02:35:26 Taneb: Well, that is OK if you like to do so! 02:35:38 So far it's been a fun constraint for me at least 02:35:54 I think the rest of the party is a bit annoyed but then again they are all quite combat-oriented 02:36:08 I don't play combat-oriented though either 02:36:50 Also I do not associate a recording of my voice to me at all 02:37:04 Unless either I've just said it or there's a picture of me 02:38:01 -!- prooftechnique has quit. 02:38:39 Maybe it is true of some other people too though 02:38:55 -!- prooftechnique has joined. 02:38:57 Also I quite like my voice when I don't associate it with me 02:38:59 Do you like my own kind of playing of Dungeons&Dragons game? 02:39:02 But when I do I don't like it 02:39:09 zzo38, can you describe that briefly 02:40:33 ? 02:41:19 Well, I try to affect the situation rather than making direct attacks and so on (although sometimes I will, the other characters in my party are better at combat); I also like to play monster character. There are various other things too I do, such as strange spells, and I always try to conserve all spells and everything rather than use them, if possible 02:41:41 You would have to read it to understand (it is a file on my computer, you can download) 02:41:58 That sounds fun 02:42:20 I think it is the DM's first game, though, and I want to make it easy for him 02:42:31 So I'm sticking with his quest 02:42:32 OK 02:42:52 This is my game recording: http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex 02:43:31 (Whenever I update it, I will post a message starting with "`danddreclist" to this channel.) 02:45:05 Well, goodnight! 02:45:24 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:01:49 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 03:15:02 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 03:15:04 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 03:15:47 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Client Quit). 03:15:51 -!- tertu has joined. 03:20:00 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 03:24:49 -!- gigimoi has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 03:59:14 "Please help us improve our service by answering a few questions about your experience: * Take the survey * No, I do not wish to take the survey at this time" 03:59:20 I feel like this is a trap. 04:00:05 The only winning move is not to play. 04:00:13 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 04:05:53 You could possibly ignore the question if you don't like it, I suppose. 04:07:11 Imakuni?'s card is *not* useless! 04:09:35 -!- polytone has changed nick to monotone. 04:11:27 -!- nisstyre has joined. 04:20:40 oerjan: what's with the infinite redirect in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Johnstone 04:21:00 oerjan: and in the meanwhile completely ignoring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Johnstone_(mathematician) 04:21:03 what's with that 04:33:53 -!- nooodl_ has quit (Quit: Ik ga weg). 04:37:42 -!- nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 04:41:56 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:47:28 -!- jconn has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:47:42 -!- Jesin has joined. 04:50:15 -!- jconn has joined. 04:50:24 -!- Frooxius has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:12:01 -!- prooftechnique has quit. 05:31:50 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 05:55:45 -!- sebbu has joined. 05:56:23 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 05:56:24 -!- sebbu has joined. 06:03:13 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 06:05:25 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:24:27 -!- Frooxius has joined. 06:26:05 http://www.reddit.com/r/shittyaskreddit/comments/1rc44v/i_dont_know_why_people_add_a_question_mark_to_a/ 06:27:01 ion: Because it's fun? 06:46:41 -!- Bike has joined. 06:46:55 kmc: http://i.imgur.com/87zBrsJ.jpg 06:49:04 Bike: totally 06:49:37 oh hey mispronunciation in the logs 06:49:45 today i found out that i've been saying 'array' wrong for presumably years 06:49:46 i live right by crescent park 06:50:14 those billionaires, man. somebody gotta do something 06:50:23 * Bike nods 06:52:38 i live on the east palo alto side of the border, though 06:53:05 Bike: is it "uh-ray"? 06:53:24 don't think so 06:53:24 which makes me the kind of people they want to keep out :'( 06:53:32 i already forgot though 06:53:40 not like i use it in conversation much 06:53:51 relatedly i explained what an FPGA is to my dad, that was fun 07:00:11 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 07:05:40 -!- Sgeo has joined. 07:08:07 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:24:47 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 07:29:51 -!- tertu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 07:38:05 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9aQ7DYCYAAb0fU.jpg 07:42:53 deja vu 07:43:53 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 07:44:57 -!- zzo38 has quit (Quit: zzo38). 08:10:45 -!- tromp__ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 08:13:53 -!- tromp__ has joined. 08:25:20 -!- evalj has joined. 08:51:49 -!- evalj has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 09:07:12 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 09:12:58 10:05:55 Sweet, can't used @ as a function name in haskell, but I can use ＠! Thanks. 09:13:02 i don't even 09:29:05 hah 09:39:11 unicode to the rescue 09:47:16 -!- Taneb has joined. 10:05:20 b_jonas: there are no trashcans in british train stations, except in rare cases in the form of clear plastic bags hanging freely (in the hopes that a bomb inside one would be visible, i guess) 10:05:44 and yet there is not much litter because britain 10:06:31 lexande, there are up north 10:06:46 really? i never saw one 10:06:50 I know Hexham and Newcastle both have bins 10:06:53 Because I've used them 10:06:56 (in the station) 10:07:00 huh, okay 10:07:11 also in new york the MTA can't manage to empty all the trash cans fast enough 10:07:15 so they overflow 10:07:18 Can't remember any in York but I've never had to wait in York 10:07:22 so they've removed the trashcans from some stations 10:08:11 so that people will take their trash outside rather than putting it in an overflowing bin 10:08:37 which seems like a parody of government-agency disfunction 10:09:00 but then, London once stored bags full of rubbish in giant piles in Leicester Square 10:09:42 s/dis/dys/; 10:10:10 s/government-agency/organisational/; 10:30:42 -!- muskrat has quit (Quit: Leaving). 10:38:04 -!- CADD has quit (Quit: leaving). 11:09:16 @ask kmc Do people often call you "Kegs"? 11:09:16 Consider it noted. 11:09:45 (I think I may have asked about that before.) 11:10:38 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:19:18 fizzie: i have spent a lot of time around Keegan and have never ever heard anyone call him Kegs. 11:35:59 fizzie, you made fungot, right? 11:35:59 Taneb: this was acctully a computer could land by itself-with no one thinks the black guy, the crew. 11:36:18 Can you give me some tips for markov-chain text generation 11:37:43 I think fungot's trying to say they created themself 11:37:43 FireFly: nesun dorma in female roles only, i could show you a stack of proof from a sensationalist american tv-shows are not always right' mode. 12:04:32 -!- oerjan has joined. 12:06:09 -!- yorick has joined. 12:08:08 @messages-lewd 12:08:08 You don't have any messages 12:08:27 oh hm 12:09:01 Taneb: Well, I mean, fungot's just a ngram model, generating text from one is borderline trivial. 12:09:01 fizzie: you're not exactly gonna be relased....what a shame that it was mostly a maze involving a red line as the tail hit the trees or something? 12:09:29 fungot: how do you feel about fizzie insulting you 12:09:30 oerjan: wow like 10 mins ago i saw the poseidon go down quick enough. i think most can remeber their first flight" for " habsheim airbus crash" under search and watch the video above, it was 12:09:41 fizzie, I'm having trouble dealing with punctuation 12:09:53 i think he may not have noticed. 12:10:38 Taneb: I just preprocess that stuff. The tokens in the model for (foo.) look like POPAREN foo PDOT PCPAREN. 12:11:01 Taneb: (The Perl version keeps a stack of paired punctuation to ensure it matches, but that's not in the Funge version.) 12:11:29 yeah stacks are too hard in funge 12:11:58 oerjan: You're free to submit a patch, you know. 12:12:27 ^style irc 12:12:27 Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) 12:12:31 (Enough of the YouTubes.) 12:27:48 Welp 12:27:56 I did some little assembly things with the registers 12:28:03 Now let's try to fuck around with the RAM a bit 12:28:06 Addresses and shit 12:29:25 What the hell are you doing? 12:36:14 Learning my man 12:37:59 shachaf: fixed hth 12:40:40 @tell shachaf whoever made the redirect wiped out some stuff. also i don't see how it was infinite. 12:40:40 Consider it noted. 12:41:21 @tell shachaf you might learn to read wikipedia history diffs hth 12:41:21 Consider it noted. 12:47:07 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 12:56:53 -!- Tod-Autojoined has joined. 12:57:13 -!- TodPunk has quit (Read error: No route to host). 12:57:25 > let x @! y = var $ x++': '++y in "myname" @! "yes, it's true" 12:57:26 :1:24: parse error on input `:' 12:57:29 wat 12:57:38 > let x @! y = var $ x++": "++y in "myname" @! "yes, it's true" 12:57:39 myname: yes, it's true 12:58:43 what is var for? 12:58:47 myndzi: myname: you two have to battle it out in a nick deathmatch. 12:59:07 which two? 12:59:10 ah 12:59:12 no 12:59:17 myname: removing quotes. technically it's some symbol representation thing. 12:59:32 :t var 12:59:33 String -> Expr 12:59:45 oh it's just Expr 13:00:04 oerjan: just make your client complete to the right one 13:01:01 > scanl1 (+) . map var $ cycle ["myname","myndzi"] 13:01:02 [myname,myname + myndzi,myname + myndzi + myname,myname + myndzi + myname +... 13:01:31 myname: it doesn't do so until the right one speaks 13:03:58 > fix (var "myname" +) 13:03:59 myname + (myname + (myname + (myname + (myname + (myname + (myname + (mynam... 13:04:06 nicely lazy 13:04:13 -!- Sorella has joined. 13:08:28 -!- carado has joined. 13:23:27 -!- nooodl has joined. 13:30:19 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 13:46:23 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 13:53:05 -!- evalj has joined. 14:04:57 -!- sebbu has joined. 14:05:37 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 14:05:37 -!- sebbu has joined. 14:22:20 > expr "meow" 14:22:21 Couldn't match expected type `Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr' 14:22:21 w... 14:25:36 Bah. 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(:[]) . var) 19:17:34 "[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[... 19:17:54 Oh, you generated a lisp program 19:18:13 Unfortunately it's infinitely deep 19:18:22 > fix (show . flip (,) undefined . var) -- more lispy 19:18:23 "((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((... 19:19:43 blah! 19:19:43 > var(repeat'(') 19:19:44 :1:14: parse error on input `)' 19:19:53 > var(cycle "(") 19:19:53 (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((... 19:20:15 that looks buggy. also i have a feeling i've seen that bug before. 19:20:21 but 19:20:25 it doesn't start with a " 19:20:27 and it's shorter 19:20:30 oh wait 19:20:30 so b_jonas wins 19:20:40 > var(repeat '(') 19:20:41 (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((... 19:20:49 ' is a legal identifier character 19:22:17 > var$cycle"(" 19:22:17 (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((... 19:22:24 as long as we're golfing 19:23:05 * quintopia flogs oerjan 19:25:05 kmc: Oh, no reason. 19:25:39 > cb 19:25:40 (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((... 19:25:46 :t cb 19:25:47 Expr 19:26:27 Quick, generate lots of ]s or )s or the channel will capsize due to unbalanced parens. 19:26:45 ^ul ((])S:^):^ 19:26:46 ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] ...too much output! 19:26:53 Phew. 19:27:12 ] 999$')' 19:27:13 b_jonas: ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))... 19:27:23 oerjan: what's that? 19:27:45 b_jonas: oerjan's code was Underload, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload 19:27:59 did jconn get renamed? 19:28:18 oerjan: it's a different instance 19:28:29 oerjan: we've had four or five different instances of the same bot 19:28:43 ) 999$')' 19:28:44 oerjan: ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))... 19:28:44 evalj is mine, but I only run it occasionally 19:28:57 jconn is fftw's instance, he runs it all the time 19:29:00 how many bots do we have that can do Underload? 19:29:01 fungot, obviously 19:29:01 ais523: google will find plenty :) iz 3. 19:29:09 thutubot can but it's not online atm (nor is it normally) 19:29:10 Three, apparently. 19:29:13 can any of the non-eso bots do it? 19:29:14 !underload (hi)S 19:29:16 hi 19:29:22 ah right 19:29:23 we used to have two or three instances of buubot at some time too 19:29:28 now I think we only have one active 19:29:30 `interp underload (hi)S 19:29:34 hi 19:30:41 also, esobots tend to pick Underload and brainfuck to impl 19:30:44 presumably because they're easy 19:31:03 although thutubot doesn't do brainfuck because Thutu sucks at arithmetic 19:31:05 does any of them run dc? 19:31:41 `which dc 19:31:42 /usr/bin/dc 19:32:12 if i remembered how dc worked i'd check EgoBot. 19:32:16 ah right, a universal bot 19:32:38 and it uses backtick as the invocation character too, which is funny 19:32:43 because I chose backtick for termbot 19:33:30 oerjan: what about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnstone_(surname) though <-- argh 19:35:00 `dc -e[[)]ndx]dx 19:35:01 ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) 19:35:47 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131124-reddit.png <- that was new for me. (Not that I diddit much.) 19:36:37 -!- zzo38 has joined. 19:37:11 `dc -e[93andx]dx 19:37:12 ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] 19:37:29 `run echo '1 2 3 4 5' | dc - <(echo '0ss[q]sq[z1=qrls+ssdx]dxlsp') # easiest way to sum numbers in stdin? 19:37:30 15 19:37:47 this underload looks scary 19:38:08 b_jonas: it's probably my greatest esolanging accomplishment 19:38:32 because it is actually new and different and yet useful 19:39:25 ais523: can underload be translated to dc by some simple replacements, like replacing parens to square brackets etc? 19:39:34 quite possibly 19:39:43 or does this stack turned to program not allow that? I don't really understand underload 19:39:50 concatenative languages are known to be quite easy to interconvert between 19:39:57 although it won't be exactly the same due to the S command 19:40:12 yeah 19:40:13 the stack->program translation is really vital, though, it's the only way to be able to do control flow 19:40:29 there's a dc obfu that takes the length of strings that are also used as code 19:40:43 so if you try to replace parts of code it falls apart because the lengths are wrong 19:40:53 it's a brilliant method 19:41:17 now I'm wondering why anyone would ever want to obfuscate dc code 19:41:29 shachaf: made it a disambiguation page instead. 19:41:37 anyway, I consider S a design mistake in Underload, but given that I hardly ever work on its successor Underlambda… 19:41:41 ais523: you're asking that on #esoteric ? you can't be serious 19:42:26 b_jonas: I was; it's like asking "why would anyone ever think of writing a standard library for BackFlip" 19:42:34 fizzie: reddit not loading happens all the time. 19:42:42 mind you, I shouldn't call it a brilliant idea 19:42:46 it's the sort of thing that just didn't occur to me that it might be a useful operation, nor even do just for the hell of it 19:43:02 fizzie: nice dc, also what? 19:43:04 given that that perl obfu I showed you yesterday uses exactly this trick: it re-uses its code as data so you can't change its code 19:43:23 `perl -eeval for'for$=(2..27){$*=0;$*=($**$=+ord)%127,for/./gs;print+chr$*}'."\n#ig\\tq\24^-/v\c^l,\23\$%\3\ta2\tk\b\c\)\x18 -- ambrus" 19:43:25 $* is no longer supported at (eval 1) line 1. \ Just another Perl hacker, 19:43:37 i've never written code for dc, is it actually usually like '0ss[q]sq[z1=qrls+ssdx]dxlsp' ? 19:43:53 `perl -eeval for"for\$^(2..27){\$==0;\$==(\$=*\$^+ord)%127,for/./gs;print+chr\$=}\n#P*h!9= Nn[\c\9\0*.:\eUt\17%j{dY\31 -- ambrus" 19:43:54 obfuscating Perl makes sense, both because people have competitions in it, and because you might want to stop people reading your Perl source and yet have the compiler understand it 19:43:55 Just another Perl hacker, 19:43:56 kmc: yeah, it always looks like that 19:44:00 I sometimes use dc. 19:44:00 kmc: yes 19:44:11 I have some dc code somewhere 19:44:26 basically because dc was originally intended for arithmetic, which it devotes most of its readability to 19:44:43 and everything else gets pushed into a few keywords which are single consonants 19:44:47 ais523: also it was written back when memory was really expensive 19:44:50 and probably vowels too, but nobody uses those 19:44:52 dc looks almost as obfuscated as TECO 19:44:57 so the original dc had to be implemented in a very tight space 19:45:05 obviously it's gained a few more primitives since, 19:45:10 but the basics haven't changed 19:45:13 "back when memory was really expensive, and probably vowels too" 19:45:33 kmc: but nobody uses those 19:46:02 are there any esolangs with Hangul syntax? actually I asked this before and the answer is "yes" but there should be more because, Hangul owns 19:46:03 Actually I think dc is OK 19:46:26 `dc -e1dp[pdsd+ldrlxx]dsxx 19:46:27 1 \ 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 5 \ 8 \ 13 \ 21 \ 34 \ 55 \ 89 \ 144 \ 233 \ 377 \ 610 \ 987 \ 1597 \ 2584 \ 4181 \ 6765 \ 10946 \ 17711 \ 28657 \ 46368 \ 75025 \ 121393 \ 196418 \ 317811 \ 514229 \ 832040 \ 1346269 \ 2178309 \ 3524578 \ 5702887 \ 9227465 \ 14930352 \ 24157817 \ 39088169 \ 63245986 \ 102334155 \ 165580141 \ 267914296 \ 433494437 \ 701408733 \ 1134 19:46:37 kmc: It doesn't always look quite like that if you're just using it interactively to do some arithmetic. 19:46:37 `dc -e1d[prdk+KdZ5\>x]dsxx 19:46:39 dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: dc: 1 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 1 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 2 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 3 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 5 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 8 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 13 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 21 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 34 \ '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 55 \ '\' 19:46:39 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Aheui 19:46:46 what? 19:46:53 `dc -e1d[prdk+KdZ5>x]dsxx 19:46:54 1 \ 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 5 \ 8 \ 13 \ 21 \ 34 \ 55 \ 89 \ 144 \ 233 \ 377 \ 610 \ 987 \ 1597 \ 2584 \ 4181 \ 6765 19:47:21 `dc -e'4 5*p' 19:47:22 dc: ''' (047) unimplemented \ 20 \ dc: ''' (047) unimplemented 19:47:26 `dc -e4 5*p 19:47:27 `dc -e1d[pdk+Krlxx]dsxx 19:47:28 20 19:47:29 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 5 \ 8 \ 13 \ 21 \ 34 \ 55 \ 89 \ 144 \ 233 \ 377 \ 610 \ 987 \ 1597 \ 2584 \ 4181 \ 6765 \ 10946 \ 17711 \ 28657 \ 46368 \ 75025 \ 121393 \ 196418 \ 317811 \ 514229 \ 832040 \ 1346269 \ 2178309 \ 3524578 \ 5702887 \ 9227465 \ 14930352 \ 24157817 \ 39088169 \ 63245986 \ 102334155 \ 165580141 \ 267914296 \ 433494437 \ 701408733 \ 11349031 19:47:40 no idea about this bracket stuff 19:47:43 or any of the other stuff 19:47:52 stuff in general, tbh 19:48:03 Brackets are like Underload parens hth 19:48:27 In fact the TeXnicard programming language is based on dc and Underload (well, one of its embedded programming languages anyways; there is another used for graphics, and another used for booster packs and deck construction, etc) 19:48:30 pretty much all concatenative languages have something equivalent to Underload parens, unless you're intentionally trying to make one that doesn't 19:48:32 And x is like Underload ! hth^2 19:48:37 (such as dei, which I don't think is on the wiki) 19:48:56 Er, I mean ^. 19:49:08 (I don't know how I got that wrong, brain fart.) 19:49:12 zzo38: sounds scary 19:49:12 brackets are for quotation I suppose? 19:49:19 I should learn dc.. 19:49:30 FireFly: yes 19:49:53 huh. meta 19:50:46 dc has many esolang-like properties 19:51:35 FireFly: Brackets introduce strings, which are used for code blocks too. 19:51:48 so "e1d[prdk+KdZ5>x]dsxx" pushes 1,1,"prdk+KdZ5>x" to the stack, puts "prdk+KdZ5>x" in the "x" register, and then pops "prdk+KdZ5>x" from the stack and executes it? 19:51:56 er, scratch the initial e 19:52:29 hi Bike 19:52:32 himc. 19:52:39 sup 19:52:45 not much 19:52:49 waiting at LAX for my flight home to SF 19:53:41 Bike: Yes, that would do 19:53:42 Bike: some explanation in http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=627011 19:53:45 and yes 19:53:53 `dc -e[d91aPP93aP[dx]P]dx 19:53:55 [d91aPP93aP[dx]P]dx 19:53:56 `interp underload (:aS(:^)S):^ 19:53:58 (:aS(:^)S):^ 19:54:19 hm... but then p should pop 1 from the stack and print it, leaving the stack as just a 1, so what's r do? 19:54:23 maybe i should actually learn the korean language instead of just obsessing over how cool the alphabet is 19:54:34 It's not quite as clean as the Underload version because there's no equivalent of "a". 19:55:23 Bike: swaps the other 1 with the long string 19:55:42 but i thought x popped the string to execute it 19:55:49 yes, but it got duplicated by d 19:55:56 hmm wait 19:55:59 but s popped it 19:56:02 oh, wait 19:56:05 p doesn't pop 19:56:09 it prints but doesn't pop 19:56:13 oh. 19:56:16 ok. 19:56:57 ais523: this underload is awesome 19:57:08