< 1385769607 858279 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385769673 873655 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385769900 657249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that seemed to go rather well < 1385770293 141562 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385770443 757627 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385771093 200765 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385771565 872203 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385771574 955634 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385771604 956042 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385771791 723914 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385773030 998354 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385773748 68529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote olist < 1385773748 262753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :usage: @vote < 1385773752 296422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote olist update < 1385773752 454163 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "update" < 1385773753 891739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless < 1385773890 173276 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385773906 664034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-result olist < 1385773906 821654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for olist (Open): update=933 < 1385773935 47890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-remove olist < 1385773935 205610 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll should be closed before you can remove it. < 1385773938 856249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1385773940 326295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help vote < 1385773940 483969 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vote Vote for in < 1385773944 11812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list vote < 1385773944 169513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll provides: poll-list poll-show poll-add choice-add vote poll-result poll-close poll-remove < 1385773947 395283 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't close it yet! < 1385773952 692207 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if someone votes for... another option! < 1385773955 708899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-close olist < 1385773955 866605 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll "olist" closed. < 1385773959 465799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-remove olist < 1385773959 623379 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll "olist" removed. < 1385773963 57666 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo. < 1385773978 677589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a profoundly secure system. < 1385773993 960919 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're destroying democracy < 1385774015 723200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's pollitics for you < 1385774038 363503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's ok the ballot was stuffed anyway < 1385774058 35281 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dynasty-scans.com/system/releases/000/008/952/cw-a-4.png a depiction of shachaf < 1385774082 515632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1385774091 648570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one am i < 1385774105 799893 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the demon thing, obviously, you fascist. < 1385774171 946108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which demon thing < 1385774177 959654 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385774192 674107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what's going on help < 1385774332 380416 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Primary duties will be to place and monitor trial carcasses as part of searcher efficiency and carcass removal trials [...] on the Island of Maui.» in CowHub news < 1385774659 467701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an opening for a cow orker, i take. < 1385774800 602333 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1385775163 226641 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385775360 28962 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1385775521 241941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1385783462 134358 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1385786031 326429 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1385786489 938240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@remember ddarius The secret to usable software is not discoverability, not documentation, not consistency; it's preview and undo. < 1385786490 134622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will remember. < 1385786699 949449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1385787165 304936 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.248 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385787636 738774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385788354 7768 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star Wars Downunder http://youtu.be/mhTn8cjm9ZM (the subtitles have a translation to English :-D) < 1385788821 935612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages-loud < 1385788822 93524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike said 3d 11h 3m 31s ago: i don't think opencl c even has provisions for exceptions < 1385788829 151420 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385788893 444146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ion < 1385788899 700289 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hachaf < 1385788956 958588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: regarding your claim that 'nobody in "real life"' cares about gendered language, https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015 has about 50 people posting in the space of a few hours to say that they do in fact care < 1385788975 417418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly men, some women, many people with "real names" and geographic locations in their github profiles < 1385789066 608670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have played Dungeons&Dragons game on Wednesday; I have almost disabled the prisoner; he is now in a coma. < 1385789094 801399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what will you do now? < 1385789183 176390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ensure he is disabled some more, would be the next thing to do. And if the captain gets angry, work around that, too (possibly with illusions). < 1385789200 255413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :use your illusion < 1385789278 290194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no, I don't want to waste it. < 1385789372 562312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly kmc, internet people aren't real < 1385789375 562183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nor are people who disagree with me < 1385789387 309178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible that i'm not helping right now < 1385789467 372141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1385789485 499286 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm not real how do you explain my invention of the steam-powered bike gear < 1385789507 677478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i visited https://twitter.com/catcafecalico while I was in Japan < 1385789511 985338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 :3 :3 < 1385789521 965837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like cats < 1385789576 784848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo there should be a pointless cat < 1385789676 930460 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s a catca and what’s fecal ico? < 1385789762 570737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: good pull request comments < 1385789766 346115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how there's always that person < 1385789767 842278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1385789773 894449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: oof < 1385789779 435301 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Or fifty of “that person”s. < 1385789781 8247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: see that can't happen in Hangul!! best writing system ever < 1385789820 570729 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, now i want to see korean puns. < 1385789875 791842 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t understand why the world hasn’t just switched to Hangul. < 1385789877 55162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: in this case it looked like there were only a few < 1385789890 899917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "stop wasting your time on this issue!" *ensures that even a trivial fix becomes a multi-hour fight* < 1385789927 466278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: it's not so great if your language doesn't conform to Korean phonetics < 1385789937 295685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like distinguishing "r" from "l" or "g" from "k", for example < 1385789938 180805 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Internet fight or fight response < 1385789941 96250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most languages don't. :-( < 1385789951 60634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps we should invent a writing system to end all writing systems. < 1385789970 560712 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google xkcd standards < 1385789971 150035 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/927/ < 1385789971 307812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: xkcd: Standards < 1385790091 359181 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blissymbols < 1385790097 304307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hangul is not a bad system, although you can definitely make up a lot of new kinds, for conlangs and whatever else you like to do; I don't really like the IPA symbols which are racist and inelegant; I would prefer to compose symbols based on if it is dental, approximant, etc, even for impossible combinations, sounds out of human range, simultaneous speech, implied but unspoken sounds, and so on. < 1385790113 24694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Blissymbols is OK too, for meaning rather than sound. < 1385790134 83914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of these are perfect though, and probably they cannot really intended to be anyways. < 1385790151 792617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you should invent a writing system < 1385790158 729374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and serve documents written in it via gopher < 1385790258 530212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION = 기간 미갈읏텔 ?
< 1385790280 109298 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell < 1385790300 615476 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those just normal hangul? my term font is terrible < 1385790311 77323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're copypasted from google translate < 1385790349 659378 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gi gan mi gal eus tel < 1385790361 658482 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :creative 'mcallister' i must say < 1385790363 423756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i like how "only women actually care about this" and "only men actually care about this" are both arguments against making the change < 1385790387 188375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1385790388 810308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure I could serve them by gopher or whatever protocol, although probably if I was making such a thing I should write the METAFONT programs to draw the symbols in such a writing system. < 1385790497 76620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :사캅 벤-기기? no idea how to do "chaf" tbqh < 1385790519 20332 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and s/sh didn't seem to be distinguished, based on reading hangul on street signs in japan >_> < 1385790549 839839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah well like I said, l/r and g/k are the same < 1385790551 520599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's OK, no one really does. < 1385790558 746413 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i'm just amused < 1385790561 802217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1385790589 656798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are g/k the same? < 1385790603 715144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://josefwigren.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/full-hangul.jpg has separate g and k < 1385790618 636459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1385790624 906818 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :colorful :) < 1385790630 371835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i forgot about that letter < 1385790638 577048 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the greyed out ones. < 1385790648 720263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the forbidden notes < 1385790658 712181 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the black keys < 1385790663 390775 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1385790686 65075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i learn hangul < 1385790725 576759 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could learn korean. < 1385790739 345020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a lot more trouble than learning an alphabet < 1385790744 302769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to learn korean < 1385790746 738795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't know how < 1385790751 431687 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta get some books or something < 1385790754 218788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :books are a lot of effort < 1385790767 223109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :move to samsung digital city < 1385790795 224477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that it has ᄋ < 1385790811 95074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that poor consonant is disregarded in many languages < 1385790815 992428 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::ᄋ < 1385790879 53269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hebrew has it, though < 1385790892 763237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there is also a vaguely kind of similar system of consonants and vowels < 1385790991 29589 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the one that gets transliterated as "ng"? < 1385791006 702771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, maybe I'm mixing things up. < 1385791015 935550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's "ng"? < 1385791046 326371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᄋ can also appear as an initial but there it means nothing at all < 1385791077 615190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that's the usage I mean. It can appear as non-initial? < 1385791104 955992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nothing at all", not even a glottal stop? < 1385791106 58933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, as a final consonant it's "ng" < 1385791123 908181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's odd. I thought this alphabet was supposed to make sense. :-( < 1385791153 31556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in 삼성 "samseong" < 1385791191 102704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: they used to be separate but got conflated down the line < 1385791191 459850 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star Trek Tᄋ < 1385791196 28962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1385791204 830234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangul had more letters back when it was supposed to represent all the sounds in Classical Chinese < 1385791225 59396 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much of the phonology of classical chinese do we actually know < 1385791253 965821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do you pronounce it as a glottal stop or do you slur syllables together? < 1385791259 294189 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know man < 1385791267 235635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ought to learn korean though < 1385791280 29958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not finnish < 1385791295 484916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language with no gendered third-person pronouns < 1385791320 327687 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not Zoidberg < 1385791351 199808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i also learn korean < 1385791362 876327 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should all switch to Lojban < 1385791366 79884 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should learn double korean. < 1385791723 381548 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help, i seem unable to get in touch with Simon Marlow. I have sent a message on Google+ and two messages on IRC on different days. < 1385791773 237867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was online in IRC aa few days ago. < 1385791803 858633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By a few days ago I mean, uh, earlier today. < 1385791814 252322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you sent IRC messages. < 1385791831 558123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try email? < 1385791863 716831 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ll try email next. But one would think Google+ and IRC would, like, work. < 1385791926 691549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know there was such a thing as a Google+ message. < 1385791963 349230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he prefers Facebook messages. < 1385792017 734794 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you send messages to non-Facebook friends on Facebook, they won’t get notified. They’ll see the message if they happen to check out the obscure “probably spam” place nobody checks. < 1385792056 369468 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps Google+ does something similar, but that’s why i tried to contact him on IRC after no response. < 1385792089 406867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can go work at Facebook and then send him an internal message. < 1385792118 367836 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps i could become a billionaire, buy Facebook and send him a memo from the boss. < 1385792180 307634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure there are better things to buy at that price < 1385792449 612310 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people abbreviate the Finnish word “eli” (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/eli#Finnish) as “l.” That’s like abbreviating “pretty” as “r.” < 1385792483 74226 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name of the letter l isn’t “el” either, it’s “äl”, so that doesn’t explain it either. < 1385792503 580861 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, why abbreviate a three-letter word? :-P < 1385792537 721810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to be confused with "ål" < 1385792556 834553 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :verily < 1385792565 295665 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :en långsträckt fisk med säreget fortplantningsbeteende < 1385792569 714355 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, there’s no å in Finnish < 1385792577 20748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1385792617 888159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no l in christmas < 1385792634 58338 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on how you pronounce r < 1385792639 709299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :säreget fortplantningsbeteende och uppskattat kött < 1385792651 552901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the joke is noel) < 1385792659 498355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :g. joke < 1385792667 322556 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :saturnalia – both r and l! < 1385792783 582134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: do they in finland that russian has n different 's's < 1385792789 582473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some value of n < 1385792797 865398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :say < 1385792807 270971 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you a verb. < 1385792851 46453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some value of finland < 1385793078 327918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'#!/usr/bin/env python\n# coding: rot-13\ncevag h"Uryyb, Jbeyq!"\n' > /tmp/whoaaa.py; chmod +x /tmp/whoaaa.py; /tmp/whoaaa.py < 1385793080 168849 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, World! < 1385793089 63306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to learn enough korean to implement `안녕하세요 anyway < 1385793167 145548 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: whoa, dude < 1385793169 335562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python has that? < 1385793179 532499 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn’t Haskell have that‽ < 1385793183 386423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Maybe you can implement `안녕하세요 for us? < 1385793246 17861 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: ghc -pgmF hth < 1385793267 269122 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That’s GHC. :-( < 1385793278 908155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"everyone knows haskell is really just ghc" < 1385793283 849379 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1385793437 947414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I think it should include is some way to convert identifiers containing non-ASCII characters into ASCII < 1385793561 380278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 안녕 = "hello" in 안녕 < 1385793562 407251 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hello" < 1385793648 266205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, there could be some extension to support a declaration like "\49493\12920\122223" = magic; and then it will treat "magic" as a synonym for the non-ASCII identifier. < 1385793840 749642 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1385794806 961401 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, in this Dungeons&Dragons game, I did notice a hole in the floor in the bedroom hallway, directly above the prison cell. It is a small hole, but large enough for a coin or leech or small key to fit. Perhaps this key was intended that someone might drop it into this hole? (I am not going to do that, though.) < 1385796049 305998 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385797351 325062 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is any cellular automaton a convolution filter followed by a scalar function on each cell? From what I can tell, they are able to be represented in this way; Conway's Game of Life can easily be done like this, for example. < 1385798703 467372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly depends what you mean by "cellular automaton", I expect < 1385798889 915468 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385799247 386607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do *you* mean by "cellular automatic"? < 1385799323 89042 :rdococ_!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem JOIN :#esoteric < 1385799332 724841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what if I make a CA where each cell computes a complicated nonlinear function of its neighbors < 1385799333 605835 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385799342 471451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would not fit in your scheme right? < 1385799363 707026 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose then it wouldn't, if the number of states isn't finite < 1385799372 988007 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you are correct about that < 1385799378 149155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it is finite then it still works? < 1385799435 510089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect it to (although maybe if something else strange is done, it might not?) < 1385799484 608590 :rdococ_!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem NICK :Halite < 1385799550 365660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the number of states is infinite though, then I would think a convolution followed by a scalar (even if nonlinear) function would still work in *some* cases, but not all < 1385799551 125806 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem QUIT :Changing host < 1385799551 283510 :Halite!uid7873@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1385799551 283645 :Halite!uid7873@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Changing host < 1385799551 283725 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem JOIN :#esoteric < 1385800713 536924 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :SUNTORY BOSS is the boss of them all since 1992 | Although maybe if something else strange is done, it might not? | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1385801222 727960 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385801951 207730 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :While playing backgammon earlier this week, I have noticed that although doubles will give you more moves, it also makes you more likely to get stuck, so there is that counterbalance involved. < 1385802108 14307 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385802455 393978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have, even before, noticed how sequent calculus can be considered as a game between two players, the first player who selects a rule and applies all variables, and the second player must select a sequent above the line to continue with. Whoever has no legal moves loses. I think there are also other ways to consider a logic as a game, but I do not know what they are or how they work. Do you know? < 1385802689 359639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's common (and useful imo) to view predicate logic as a game between two players, ∃ and ∀ < 1385802711 917821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A proof of some sequent then corresponds to a strategy for the first player to be guaranteed to win from such a position. < 1385802718 839866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1385802734 819338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I have read about that, but didn't study it much to know much about how such thing is working. < 1385802928 43298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :put a formal in prenex normal form, then ∃ and ∀ take turns selecting values for their respective variables; ∃ wins (and the formula is true) if they end up at a true propositional statement, ∀ wins (and it's false) if they end up at a false one < 1385802934 882713 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's how it goes < 1385802976 638456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might not be that useful to view totally abstract logic this way, but thinking about two players has helped me keep straight complicated quantifiers in e.g. definitions of continuity, or VC-dimension, or what have you < 1385803023 657631 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I can understand now, how you mean! < 1385803191 444547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :recall that TQBF / QSAT is PSPACE-complete, so any problem in PSPACE can be phrased as such a game < 1385803217 711235 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether or not it useful to view abstract logic in such a way either, however, I have noticed that it can be made up other way around; first make up the game and then the sequent calculus which implements such a game. For example a subtraction game where the first player wins with numbers that aren't divisible by four, encode such a thing in sequent calculus and that is one way to define the logical system where theorems are numbers wh < 1385803234 841016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sometimes you have another player "Nature" who chooses randomly, and then you can talk about the probability of ∀ or ∃ winning < 1385803269 280370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: O, OK, you can have that too. I didn't think of quite that, but I did think of similar things actually. < 1385803272 108355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there are things like interactive proof systems or Arthur-Merlin proofs or zero-knowledge proofs, which are also phrased as games between multiple players, usually with access to randomness and some (possibly differing) bounds on their computational power < 1385803400 142090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero knowledge proofs are so cool < 1385803431 954374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1385803547 460744 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know what "Arthur-Merlin proofs" means, however. < 1385803563 461337 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur%E2%80%93Merlin_protocol < 1385803642 837348 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1385803651 722532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notice that in the system I have defined, draws may be possible (although I find it is usually useful to consider draws as a win for the second player, or at least draws by repetition, anyways) < 1385803871 865579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I looked at Arthur-Merlin > 1385804717 305879 JOIN :#esoteric > 1385804721 416063 JOIN :#esoteric > 1385804721 929713 JOIN :#esoteric > 1385804744 282280 JOIN :#esoteric > 1385804748 397886 JOIN :#esoteric > 1385804748 908169 JOIN :#esoteric > 1385804764 441966 JOIN :#esoteric > 1385804768 550261 JOIN :#esoteric > 1385804769 64274 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385804778 546317 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1385804780 59290 :hitchcock.freenode.net NOTICE #esoteric :[freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp < 1385805124 71917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385806119 338193 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385806773 438996 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385807736 427904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there no cat cafe in san francisco < 1385808144 369342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I said "put a formal" above i meant "put a formula" < 1385808189 732145 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what is a cat cafe < 1385808262 713117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the best sort of retail establishment there is!!!! < 1385808285 747681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a cafe and a bunch of cats live at the cafe and you can pet / play with / snuggle with the cats at the cafe < 1385808531 238890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo get a cat < 1385808555 339726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats different < 1385808556 868304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :then your house can be a cat cafe and i can visit and pet / play with / snuggle < 1385808677 998705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cats are the cats. < 1385808705 723260 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to go to a cat cafe < 1385808736 549089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do cat cafes dispose of cats in evil ways when they get old < 1385808736 992735 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :If an oscilloscope can be set to display vectors, why do we still use pixels? < 1385808753 487884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a cat cafe in the whole of Finland. < 1385808802 126044 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1385808827 320975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ARABIC LIGATURE UIGHUR KIRGHIZ YEH WITH HAMZA ABOVE WITH ALEF MAKSURA ISOLATED FORM < 1385808831 249921 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ﯹ < 1385808843 162339 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is one in England and they are making another < 1385808844 11746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a name that long, you'd think it'd be more impressive. < 1385808846 631640 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb Halite < 1385808852 819395 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they make them in very far away places < 1385808963 445597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have some in Paris, Berlin, and München as well < 1385808978 745463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Budapest < 1385808981 246957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the cool places < 1385808983 117812 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are none in York or Hexham < 1385808985 861038 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry hexham < 1385809017 264672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest moving to Berlin or Seoul < 1385809028 240143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, Finland is a cool place and doesn't have one < 1385809146 966273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: lots of reasons, one is that LCDs are a lot nicer than CRTs (and OLED displays nicer yet) and they're inherently pixel-oriented < 1385809273 31962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vector graphics doesn't really do full color images, shading, etc. < 1385809308 847200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have graphics stacks that mix vector and raster pretty far down the pipeline, but you want something uniform when you actually send graphics to a display device, and pixels make sense there < 1385809339 87107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some old video games did use vector graphics and directly control the deflection of a CRT beam in the manner of an oscilloscope < 1385809351 23186 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jmargolin.com/vgens/vgens.htm has an incredible amount of detail on how that works < 1385809396 546805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an original _Asteroids_ game looks absolutely stunning < 1385809452 549404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant bright white CRT with beautiful trails and perfectly smooth lines < 1385809456 861390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monochrome so there's no shadow mask even < 1385809458 904892 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can and do vector LEDs exist? < 1385809506 309467 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ... thinking of laser printers < 1385809530 111318 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the objects are drawn by a 10-bit DAC so there's a notional 1024x1024 resolution, which is already very high for 1979, but also I believe that straight lines get smoothly interpolated between those points < 1385809539 26350 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory you could also do smooth circles etc. with analog oscillator circuits < 1385809586 61706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: I don't think "vector LEDs" refers to any kind of well-defined thing... you could invent a vector display technology that uses LEDs in some capacity and call it "vector LED", sure, but it would be pretty different from either a CRT or a traditional LED or LCD display < 1385809613 243950 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But that involves mechanical mirrors. Now I'm sure you can do some fance micromechanics stuff and make it work, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that. :) ) < 1385809619 84350 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible? < 1385809629 223666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what possible < 1385809702 495135 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is pondering how to actually control a beam of laser light in CRT like fashion.
< 1385809725 913302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid photons with their zero electrical charge < 1385809749 282754 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(laser printers cheat; they just deflect the beam along a single scan line and rely on the printing drum's rotation for vertical displacement) < 1385809762 988856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro-optic_effect < 1385809769 545126 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pockels_effect and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerr_effect < 1385809812 308723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Media Lab used one of these in their "trillion frame per second" camera < 1385809838 937475 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even laser printers to have be getting replaced by LED printers, because they take less space and less delicate mechanics; building a row of many LEDs is chepaer. < 1385809849 187292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1385809858 248939 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nice. < 1385809901 847657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.media.mit.edu/~raskar/trillionfps/ < 1385809993 641685 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh, what did I do to that sentence? s/to have be/are/ < 1385809995 49102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not, maybe it was just a material which produces electrons when hit by light, and they deflected those electrostatically < 1385810040 452984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way the idea is to vary the electric field rapidly so that photons coming from a single point end up spread across a linear detector according to the time they arrived, with picosecond resolution < 1385810115 148176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you do that again and again for many points in a scene, illuminated by laser pulses the same way each time < 1385810123 530750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's your "trillion frame per second" movie < 1385810160 342116 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://1.2.3.11/bmi/www.mit.edu/~velten/press/content/pictures/bottle_photo.jpg looks silly. (note the lack of absence of trade marks) < 1385810276 851226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that 1.2.3.11/bmi stuff? < 1385810306 10286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Link didn't work for me with that; worked without.) < 1385810324 867483 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a "transparent" proxy that I keep forgetting about. < 1385810343 5435 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the correct link is http://www.mit.edu/~velten/press/content/pictures/bottle_photo.jpg < 1385810374 947010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your organization legit own 1.2.3? < 1385810408 611072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spent a few summers at the school which owns 129.186.*.* ; that was super confusing < 1385810412 249964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if they got it at a discount < 1385810419 397809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.2.3.0/24 was reserved for bogonity, IIRC. < 1385810447 493812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :inetnum: 1.2.3.0 - 1.2.3.255; netname: Debogon-prefix. < 1385810458 173678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1385810462 686171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean exactly < 1385810475 158660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's part of APNIC's range, I remember reading about it when they were introducing 1/8. Both the /24's containing 1.1.1.1 and 1.2.3.4 were reserved.) < 1385810494 985862 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: certainly not. (it's a mobile ISP, I'm sure they don't really care about RFCs as long as most customers are happy) < 1385810511 355163 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are they available for private use in the same manner as 10/8 and 192.168/16? < 1385810514 279956 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/are happy/don't complain/ < 1385810516 473983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you "not supposed to use them" in some way < 1385810522 521159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not supposed to use them, no. < 1385810529 369482 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have no clue why they aren't using 10.* < 1385810555 278820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps they were already using 10.* for some other internal purpose. < 1385810564 269434 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, they do use it; my assigned IP is 10.165.126.240) < 1385810575 941873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm amused that MIT can't get any official IPv6 space because IANA is still pissed off that they own 1/256 of the entire IPv4 space < 1385810652 199308 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait ... < 1385810688 442394 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that, that is funny. How are they expecting MIT to move off the IPv4 space if they don't even get IPv6 space to migrate to? < 1385810712 111607 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't know the details, but probably they have to commit to give it back eventually, or something, and MIT is unwilling to do it? < 1385810715 101237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know really < 1385810723 676140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heard this second- or third-hand < 1385810758 966431 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a different topic, can a vector image composed of lines be separated into a raster image and the slope of the line at each point on each rasterisation? < 1385810806 729563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite: I'm not sure what you mean but it sounds like you want to chop up a single vector image into a grid of many vector images (one per "pixel") and yes, you can do that < 1385810953 924329 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, kind of < 1385811234 285637 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, is it also possible to create a perfect zoom system for raster images? < 1385811523 481758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends what you mean by "perfect zoom system" but probably no < 1385811573 868451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely you can't take a raster photograph and zoom in arbitrarily far < 1385811582 260329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a finite amount of information in the original photograph < 1385811638 603786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your raster image is actually a line drawing, you can try to convert back to a vector image and zoom on that < 1385811649 122067 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds relevant: http://null-ptr.blogspot.co.at/2008/06/vector-representation-of-fonts-on-gpu.html (I believe I've even seen a paper with a similar idea somewhere, but I don't remember any details.) < 1385811695 987738 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not related to "perfect zooming" but to the previous idea of assigning vector images to pixels) < 1385811757 652314 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course there's all the marching cubes stuff that is also related somehow. < 1385811853 115278 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :1987. old :) < 1385811981 974467 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "meandering triangles" is a cute term. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marching_squares#Meandering_triangles ) < 1385812229 835506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1385812421 278828 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :My battery power is so freaking low < 1385812652 187844 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric : How low can my battery get before my iPad refuses to budge? < 1385812660 206693 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have a guess. < 1385812685 190117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could not care less < 1385812788 73692 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-10% so far < 1385812811 32815 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :5-8% now < 1385812822 563165 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wifi gone < 1385812859 73075 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 10-based bound gone < 1385812879 732428 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :please redirect these updates to #esoteric-halites-ipad < 1385812901 269178 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or /dev/null < 1385812903 671089 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh haws I'm monologue nag yet again < 1385812917 817527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what all those words are, but yes < 1385812918 40565 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keyboard feeling sad < 1385813771 612217 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :…​ < 1385814085 306687 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1385814367 550673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙮꙮꙮ < 1385814490 304067 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙭꙬꙪ < 1385814537 174840 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385814891 51773 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :⠈⠞ ⠐⠼ ⠵⠂ ⠠⠵ < 1385815019 230634 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( how do you produce ⪓ in (La)TeX? ) < 1385815190 847854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: nice! < 1385815326 764483 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have something to show you on the PC < 1385815372 428933 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem NICK :Halite[tablet] < 1385815418 265478 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385815448 213202 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: use < 1385815566 175337 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I wanted to show you https://www.dropbox.com/s/cpujagd162oos0x/JSB%20File%20format.html -- I made it earlier this year. I'd like a bit of advice on how to make the format vector. < 1385815601 268593 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: don't try to go on it in Internet Explorer < 1385815990 615144 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels reminded of http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1994-10-17/
< 1385816028 477570 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1385816069 834843 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1385816076 882006 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to make it right now < 1385816091 971910 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, cant find the file I saved < 1385816205 394894 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/single-page.html ... that's really stretching the meaning of the word "tiny". < 1385816343 875185 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1385816399 504738 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if we could mix pixel and vector displays so we can fill while being of high quality? The vector display could override to prevent filling problems. < 1385816448 338009 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that's why I had this association; defining a vector graphics format is a bottomless pit. it's easy enough to hack something together that supports straight lines and filling with solid colors, but people tend to want gradients, transparency, curves, various line styles, arrows on lines, clipping, and so forth. < 1385816458 311239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Closest I know is \lesseqqgtr from amssymb; that's the ⪋ -- but of course it's not quite the same. (Supplemental Mathematical Operator is very good when it comes to s and slanted -s. < 1385816481 273383 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh sorry, that was a rhetorical question. I don't actually need the symbol. :) < 1385816534 910682 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll have to approximate curves :p < 1385817005 993740 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay made it < 1385817030 398260 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :$3 {\leq \atop \geq} 4$ looks ok to me < 1385817057 680896 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what a profoundly useless symbol?! < 1385817522 946877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: hmm, your \geq is \geqslant? < 1385817558 114854 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't, i just didn't consider the slant important < 1385817678 659944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode makes a difference there. < 1385817685 582745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And therefore so should you.) < 1385818026 224886 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385818259 996255 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying arcs though < 1385818275 20819 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1385818772 308896 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :⣶⣀⣶⢀⡤⢤⡀⢲⡆⠐⣶⠀⣠⠤⣄ < 1385818772 538735 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :⠿⠀⠿⠘⠯⠭⠅⠼⠧⠠⠿⠄⠻⠤⠟ < 1385818774 938005 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are cute < 1385818825 281183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the regular 2x2 grid blocks. < 1385818839 825327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▌▌▗ ▐ ▐ ▗ ▟▖▌ ▗ ▖▖▗ < 1385818840 54595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▛▌▛▘▐ ▐ ▌▌ ▐ ▛▖▛▘▛ ▛▘ < 1385818840 54782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▘▘▝▘ ▘ ▘▝ ▘▘▘▝▘▘ ▝▘ < 1385818889 813367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Better resolution with the dots though, that's for sure.) < 1385819012 728623 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :braille abuse. < 1385819139 364404 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385819517 822308 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :My standard JSON bitmap file would be .jsb, but now I've made .vjsb < 1385819595 190584 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far an image would contain arrays of the for max,ya,xb,yb, < 1385819604 351248 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Form ax* < 1385819736 464167 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. Bitmap [row, row, row, ...] where row is a colour array, vector [[colour, xa, ya, xb, yb], ...] < 1385819917 723594 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.dropbox.com/s/rh5r0wgbikq61va/JSB%20Vector%20format.html it's worth a try < 1385820049 946426 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385820062 574083 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :13░█4▀█8░█9░█11░░12░█13░█4░█8▀▀9░█11▀█12░█13░█ < 1385820065 455434 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :4░█8░█9░█11▀█12░░13░░4█░8░█9▀▀11░█12▀█13░█4▀█ < 1385820068 585842 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :8░▀9▀▀11░▀12░▀13░░4░░8▀░9░▀11▀▀12░▀13░▀4░▀8░▀ < 1385820182 143476 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Cool. Now make that in JSB vector form using the link I provided. < 1385820522 263012 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385820695 859064 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1385820947 897688 :Slereah_!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1385820958 619501 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[PC]: I can't find anything about that format < 1385820969 866718 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, you just made it < 1385821011 671051 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0,0,10,10,0,10,10,0] is a cross? < 1385821096 281826 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[colour,0,0,10,10], [colour,0,10,10,0]] would be the right one, I think < 1385821128 80329 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: yep < 1385821148 276954 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actuall < 1385821152 476607 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, fair enough. < 1385821157 651564 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what format is the colour in? < 1385821181 557083 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[colour, "0", "0", "10", "10"], [colour,"0", "10", "10", "0"]] < 1385821188 963755 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :colour is hex < 1385821206 355099 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1385821266 425855 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it just draws lines < 1385821271 86121 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far < 1385821280 124584 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt mean I can't change it < 1385821532 165670 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[["red",0,0,30,30],["red",0,30,30,0],["blue",30,15,34,4],["blue",34,4,45,0],["blue",45,0,56,4],["blue",56,4,60,15],["blue",60,15,56,26],["blue",56,26,45,30],["blue",45,30,34,26],["blue",34,26,30,15]] < 1385821580 912070 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! < 1385821607 758114 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you using '[]' instead of '()' ? < 1385821612 588784 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :["l"/*line*/,style,x0,y0,x1,y1,x2,y2,...] < 1385821624 587897 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: the thing is read as arrays < 1385821628 419007 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1385821630 656231 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an array of arrays < 1385821633 96998 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Square brackets hold arrays" < 1385821673 833152 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSON has no parentheses as far as I know. < 1385821689 117643 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm using json < 1385821695 62269 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1385821698 713693 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385821701 228285 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1385821709 931864 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great for data types < 1385821745 545062 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said I'm happy to read ["l","red",0,30,30,0] as (l 'red 0 30 30 0) :) < 1385821774 641278 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see you're using "l" as future syntax to denote that the object is indeed a line and not a curve? < 1385821782 89147 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might use "line" for that < 1385821816 404721 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not a (filled) polygon, was my idea < 1385821869 484394 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the main point was that there should be *some* sort of marker to make the thing extensible. < 1385821934 332087 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will indeed add one as the format expands < 1385821962 214296 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who can make an image of a stickman? :D < 1385822077 253193 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask this guy? http://www.etch-a-sketchartist.com/etchasketches/ < 1385822094 295264 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha? < 1385822119 130562 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1385822283 862405 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gvartwork.com/gvetchedintime/gallery.php -- this guy is better, and still active. < 1385822333 113707 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :epic < 1385822356 477737 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to say arrays seem boring < 1385822448 838000 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1385822579 280579 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shitty stick figure: [["#ffffff", 1,0, 6,0], ["#ffffff", 1,0, 1,5], ["#ffffff", 6,0, 6,5], ["#ffffff", 1,0, 6,5], ["#ffffff", 3,5, 3,10], ["#ffffff", 3,6, 0,9], ["#ffffff", 3,6, 6,9], ["#ffffff", 3,10, 0,13], ["#ffffff", 3,10, 6,13]] < 1385822759 438851 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :white on white. < 1385822759 935746 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ffffff makes it entirely white < 1385822852 904032 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its head is an N even if you do make it #000000 < 1385822870 189124 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this rate I'll have to set bg notation < 1385822909 970007 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k done bg notation < 1385822923 576905 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now do [bg, [line], [line], ...] < 1385822946 653614 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. ["#000FFF", ["#ffffff", 1,5, 5,6]] < 1385822947 595273 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :["#000000", ["#ffffff", 1,0, 6,0], ["#ffffff", 1,0, 1,5], ["#ffffff", 6,0, 6,5], ["#ffffff", 1,0, 6,5], ["#ffffff", 3,5, 3,10], ["#ffffff", 3,6, 0,9], ["#ffffff", 3,6, 6,9], ["#ffffff", 3,10, 0,13], ["#ffffff", 3,10, 6,13]] < 1385822983 200692 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385823002 223223 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :scaled up: [["#000", 110,100, 160,100], ["#000", 110,100, 110,150], ["#000", 160,100, 160,150], ["#000", 110,150, 160,150], ["#000", 130,150, 130,200], ["#000", 130,160, 100,190], ["#000", 130,160, 160,190], ["#000", 130,200, 100,230], ["#000", 130,200, 160,230]] < 1385823012 66487 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fourth line is incorrect nortti < 1385823022 96982 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway. < 1385823039 844367 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :["#fff", ["#000", 110,100, 160,100], ["#000", 110,100, 110,150], ["#000", 160,100, 160,150], ["#000", 110,150, 160,150], ["#000", 130,150, 130,200], ["#000", 130,160, 100,190], ["#000", 130,160, 160,190], ["#000", 130,200, 100,230], ["#000", 130,200, 160,230]] < 1385823049 999546 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you even trying it? < 1385823086 772373 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well when you add the bg it works < 1385823121 349701 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[PC]: you changed the format :P < 1385823128 709869 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly yeah < 1385823131 788567 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and told you < 1385823136 783595 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now do [bg, [line], [line], ...] < 1385823145 720959 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ quote from previously ^^ < 1385823304 371715 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/5940427395184984064 rainbow spiral! < 1385823315 149222 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is staring at carry patterns for Zeckenhaus addition ... they look funny.
< 1385823323 957463 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385823325 199831 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :should add a background i guess < 1385823330 65654 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :["black", that] < 1385823364 32909 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so cool nooodl < 1385823378 536533 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seemed to work without onw < 1385823387 194034 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe a line was missed < 1385823416 330979 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep line miss < 1385823436 936893 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385823494 144695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385823523 615891 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1385823566 262763 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. http://sprunge.us/WDdd < 1385823716 623279 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Updated. Now accepts no bg. < 1385823769 363607 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1385823801 250507 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1385823993 294566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bg deal < 1385824167 647285 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What came first, the chicken or the egg?" "The red junglefowl. < 1385824314 510211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[PC]: coelurosaurians hth < 1385824407 985026 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good answer. After all, the first chicken was born out of a junglefowl-chicken hybird's egg. < 1385824455 715777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: i visited https://twitter.com/catcafecalico while I was in Japan <-- /me doesn't get whether that is a café for cats or with cats. also, what is with all the turkish trending on twitter? i guess besiktas might refer to the football team. < 1385824465 680497 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.nichtlustig.de/toondb/020119.html ("Both of you want to buy the last can of dog food. This raises the question, who of you came first?") < 1385824486 162743 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385824504 251612 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate nichtlustig for not working with my custom css < 1385824524 542092 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1385824533 853552 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385824567 230141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok http://wandertokyo.com/cat-cafe-calico/ explains in english < 1385824613 763646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for your coffee and toxoplasmosis needs. < 1385824645 198480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is probably infected anyway.
< 1385824769 239936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what might be the youngest ancestor of chickens that _didn't_ have eggs.
< 1385824807 202391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably older than vertebrates. < 1385824865 769812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess it might have to be just before sex. < 1385824879 377654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so something protozoan < 1385825048 223754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: don't look at today's comic hth < 1385825190 451015 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good old protozoan times < 1385825198 271717 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we never needed to urinate back then < 1385825200 262458 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm. the usual. only one in ten of those are funny anyway :) < 1385825220 374977 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ... another smiley. < 1385825266 228337 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway oerjan, we don't have eggs how do we multiply < 1385825308 666835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[PC]: women have egg cells. < 1385825361 347649 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1385825370 826421 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bacteria do too in a way < 1385825375 937972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1385825396 520960 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what came first, the bacteria or the egg cell < 1385825414 785030 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bacteria divide and conquer < 1385825419 65370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :twist: the bacteria were the egg cells all along? < 1385825457 86791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a tooth like this after a biking accident http://static.nichtlustig.de/toondb/131031.html < 1385825482 258630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that means i should hunt down and kill the guy i collided with. or his teeth, maybe. < 1385825501 858487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad i was too shocked to remember who it was. < 1385825517 740939 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"RADICAL TOOTH" hmm :) < 1385825567 580047 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently, no tooth symbol in unicode < 1385825621 86361 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find the symbol for radical < 1385825633 712992 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :√ < 1385825641 929135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's a hieroglyph and you have to know the word for tooth in egyptian to find it. < 1385825721 88194 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a middle egyptian textbook < 1385825724 195867 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shapecatcher.com/ ? < 1385825725 126741 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can check if you want < 1385825749 832771 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately Google Translate doesn't support egyptian < 1385825768 890742 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that is broken atm < 1385825776 314456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait unicode doesn't even use the egyptian word, just a numbering scheme < 1385825780 611866 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see the Gardiner egyptian hieroglyph sign list < 1385825793 840587 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part D, PARTS OF THE HUMAN BODY < 1385825816 736805 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is "lips with teeth" and "two lips and teeth" < 1385825861 62049 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTS OF MAMMALS has jawbone of an ox and tusk < 1385825917 292435 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :又? < 1385825942 96347 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 9F6C < 1385825943 714727 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1385825950 134573 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 龉 < 1385825951 723532 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1385825985 133598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 龉 < 1385825986 802554 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+9F89 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-9F89] < 1385825997 241081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much of a name there either. < 1385826028 57986 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definition in English: uneven teeth; to disagree < 1385826063 650065 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 齬 < 1385826065 196470 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1385826078 34312 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :齬 is definitively 6f6c < 1385826095 271588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 齬 < 1385826097 107080 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+9F6C CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-9F6C] < 1385826110 669159 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ... Definition in English: uneven teeth; to disagree < 1385826114 662219 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely. < 1385826128 713046 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode  < 1385826130 255587 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0002 DUNNO] < 1385826134 272414 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol I dunno < 1385826142 554322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that one of those simplified vs. traditional ones? < 1385826145 503568 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode  < 1385826147 251403 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0002 DUNNO] [U+0003 DUNNO] [U+001F DUNNO] [U+001D DUNNO] < 1385826179 22795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: unicode is not magic. only pain. < 1385826220 482604 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Halite < 1385826222 287749 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0048 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER H] [U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A] [U+006C LATIN SMALL LETTER L] [U+0069 LATIN SMALL LETTER I] [U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] < 1385826246 724337 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :48,61,6c,69,74,65 < 1385826260 98521 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as far as I can see, one has four lambdas (I suppose those are the teeth?) and the other one has only one. < 1385826274 341949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm http://static.nichtlustig.de/toondb/131023.html < 1385826406 657233 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemmings are a recurring theme. My favourite goes something like "You want me to buy a bicycle just because all your friends have one, too? ..." "... If all your friends were to jump off a bridge, would you also ..." "... Never mind. I'll buy you the bicycle." < 1385826466 980745 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode < 1385826467 171196 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385826468 702405 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385826515 117608 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, not a bicycle, just a scooter. http://static.nichtlustig.de/toondb/020906.html < 1385826537 163758 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the bridge is a cliff.) < 1385826705 247806 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well if my family did then I would < 1385826758 894435 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: something tells me you might be german < 1385826777 735512 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: that is interesting. what gave me away? < 1385826794 197705 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i can tell from being one myself ;) < 1385826827 897276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait do we have a german inflation here < 1385826830 82977 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385826860 34378 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make it sound like it is something bad < 1385826876 871654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if we go by history there'll soon be billions of you < 1385827085 223739 :int-e-19212451!~none@213162068218.public.t-mobile.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1385827095 885897 :int-e-19212451!~none@213162068218.public.t-mobile.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grins at oerjan.
< 1385827098 772355 :int-e-19212451!~none@213162068218.public.t-mobile.at QUIT :Client Quit < 1385827131 209874 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a negative time period before the Big Bang? I've always wondered that < 1385827196 347089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[PC]: there's endless speculation? < 1385827263 658157 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is maybe < 1385827264 439656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the math breaks down. you can make all kinds of theories. < 1385827273 282068 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it doesn't really break down < 1385827280 579637 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it hinges on some other things < 1385827338 743271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure PETA approves of this http://static.nichtlustig.de/toondb/130912.html < 1385827409 7729 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PETA is my urine. < 1385827454 158140 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ATEP PETA. < 1385827833 788480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd recommend buying more matching sets http://static.nichtlustig.de/toondb/130820.html < 1385828132 96348 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw I'm not sure whether you're trying to make me feel guilty about linking to that comic, but if so, you're succeeding. < 1385828151 313943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1385828169 542899 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. So. A language based on the knappsack problem makes no sense if you have infinite storage < 1385828202 820185 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea would have been, that a value N occupies N cells < 1385828237 79771 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1385828264 964603 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is boring anyway < 1385828272 778513 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could store N ones < 1385828282 620760 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and N zeroes < 1385828290 747254 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'd esseantilly be bitfuck < 1385828298 420895 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ergo -> boring < 1385828300 708740 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a value N could also take log_2(N) cells < 1385828337 832739 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes me think that a log_1(N) = N < 1385828375 555382 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1385828386 510773 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my second idea is that you have a 2D (or 1D) storage < 1385828393 126176 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a value N distorts nearby cells < 1385828403 178250 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the higher N, the higher and more cells it distorts < 1385828437 205393 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uhm 256 distorts cell[i +- 1] by 128, cell[i +- 2] by 64 and so on < 1385828453 41091 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also boring, if you have infinite storage < 1385828462 657379 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e just use every 1000iest cell) < 1385828474 673859 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: Everything is boring if it has infinite storage. < 1385828496 515667 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinity is super boring. < 1385828521 574781 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if you mean transfinity < 1385828531 532359 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's epic < 1385828579 240266 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what that even is. < 1385828612 600599 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the stuff that is larger than finite stuff < 1385828613 588119 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a number that is less than infinity and more than any finite number < 1385828615 849333 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still not infinite? < 1385828621 378098 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are multiple transfinite numbers < 1385828632 116658 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how that would work < 1385828632 386951 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinitely many infact < 1385828642 770394 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not make any sense at all (intuitively) < 1385828643 994688 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's defined as the hyperreal numbers < 1385828648 671780 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1385828651 579420 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can something be bigger then finite < 1385828653 577602 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not infinite < 1385828661 999851 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :when everything that is not infinite, is probably finite < 1385828683 881152 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I mean is that they ARE infinite but they're not always going to be equal another of their kind < 1385828698 20593 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1385828700 27928 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. let's say w is a transfinite ordinal. 2w > w. w+1 > w < 1385828711 93438 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1385828712 34846 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 2*infinity makes no sense < 1385828719 506991 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It avoids infinity + 1 == infinity? < 1385828740 515555 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly infinity because there is a number more than w < 1385828755 961886 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with w you can make an infinitesimal -- lets name it e < 1385828773 8927 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't bother explaining it to me < 1385828777 540803 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't understand it. Seriously. < 1385828788 574414 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1385828831 166939 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have enough math background to even understand the explanations ;) < 1385828854 851683 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you have computational background though < 1385828880 933731 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, no. < 1385828913 908952 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the guy who replaces your broken Ethernet Cable < 1385828937 818487 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1385828963 311183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[PC]: 2w = w, you mean 2w > w hth < 1385828966 440296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1385828969 255150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1385828978 117279 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm that kind of computer scientist < 1385828978 792526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Halite[PC]: 2w = w, you mean w2 > w hth < 1385828982 527065 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really a scientist at all < 1385829018 775950 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I understand. That's in the surreals. The hyperreals keep communative operations. < 1385829032 778651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not surreals. ordinals. < 1385829048 415277 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok thats it I don't like ordinals < 1385829059 83371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently
< 1385829106 619187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also 1+w = w) < 1385829114 992303 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like saying 1+2 = 2 < 1385829123 675966 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 2+1 = 1 < 1385829137 668273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it only holds for infinite w. < 1385829143 5050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and precisely then. < 1385829174 980745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2w = w holds for limit ordinals. < 1385829324 674204 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the limit of {-infinity, ..., x} is x. and that's an infinite set. < 1385829329 926677 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[PC]: The only reason I'm here is because I read some paper thingies back when I was a teenager < 1385829333 422398 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uhm < 1385829333 888329 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda calculus papers < 1385829335 132274 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such < 1385829364 648275 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wrote interpreters etc. < 1385829419 24195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[PC]: is that supposed to contradict me somehow? < 1385829424 442215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You can just refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Omega-exp-omega-labeled.svg then it's all so clear. < 1385829429 895856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are no negative ordinals.) < 1385829476 733839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thank you, i was pondering linking to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinal_arithmetic#Cantor_normal_form < 1385829490 378756 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the limit of {0, 1/w, 2/w, 3/w, ..., 1, 1 + 1/w, 1 + 2/w, ... x} is x < 1385829494 45705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not a picture at all. :/ < 1385829507 14349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: true. < 1385829533 860324 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-70-102.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385829554 277745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has no(*) idea why Halite[PC] keeps dragging surreals and hyperreals into this. ((*) not true)
< 1385829642 204143 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes. The practice of lieing then admitting. < 1385829673 904304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so practical! < 1385829754 366018 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyperreals are pretty neat! < 1385829760 36333 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as DECEPTIVE < 1385830335 951544 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385831144 954694 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385831538 196992 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets all surreal
< 1385831570 916961 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have an apple for a face < 1385831595 309590 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No but I have infinitessimals < 1385832337 744893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385832827 336504 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385833314 891191 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385834835 283 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still on the search for a book abouth math < 1385834837 773246 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seems to be none. < 1385834863 841668 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one about 17 equations that changed the world < 1385834873 184734 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's at least partially about maths < 1385834882 559815 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them is actually an inequality which makes me sad < 1385834898 198877 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for one that is ordered in order of discovery < 1385834915 45237 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can aquire math knowledge in the order that makes sense < 1385834918 644787 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1385834948 634349 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: http://www.math.wustl.edu/~sk/books/newhist.pdf ? :P < 1385834959 597975 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: also, the historical order frequently doesn't make sense < 1385834972 354831 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can't be < 1385834975 288063 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@does not make sense < 1385834975 477762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not make sense not available < 1385835033 428967 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you learn math now you get teached stuff like uhm fourier stuff < 1385835040 269512 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't actually know enough < 1385835051 938517 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels like you're missing something that was invented before that < 1385835101 443802 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured learning in historical order should prevent me from stumbling upon anything I don't know the basics of < 1385835104 257518 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: no seriously. frequently, the simplifying assumptions that make a topic teachable frequently come after the major theorems are discovered in another context < 1385835124 479908 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, newton's calculus, which he used to do all that physics stuff < 1385835128 464394 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks < 1385835149 425363 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the same as leibniz's calculus? < 1385835166 634071 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: leibniz's notation is much better/easier to use < 1385835168 436591 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :liebniz's was a bit better < 1385835189 816855 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also, neither of them had any kind of rigorous foundation for it < 1385835209 849593 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involved significant handwaving < 1385835251 700988 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you put in some non-integrable function and stuff blows up and you don't know why < 1385835282 403719 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they basically didn't know what they were doing, but managed to get it right enough for physics anyway < 1385835347 614621 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1385835453 678667 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, i definitely wish i'd had more background before being taught fourier < 1385835508 553883 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's pretty common to charge into it as quickly as possible for the benefit of the physicists in the audience < 1385836539 11641 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they had no idea what they were doing < 1385836548 604452 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm sure they contributed a lot to math < 1385837770 822470 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385838876 6009 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PART :#esoteric < 1385838888 594942 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385839134 667560 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the problem with newton's calculus is more that he did all this insane crap with geometry to deal with planets < 1385839147 78429 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, have you tried reading the principia, it's crazy < 1385839696 475632 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of sympathize with where mroman_'s coming from though, not that i'd actually recommend a fully historical order. mroman_, have you heard of "Mathematics: Its Content, Methods and Meaning"? it's supposed to be real good < 1385839923 518470 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: reboot < 1385840033 883337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385840359 392412 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385841539 873885 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to make a computer algebra system. Wish me luck. < 1385841708 500110 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What about Leibnitz's calculus? < 1385841863 604477 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it? < 1385841934 114292 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it compare to Newtons? I've never actually looked at the work Newton and Leibnitz did on calculus < 1385841951 687875 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me. i don't even know what he was using it for. < 1385841961 613106 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only read part of newton's because historians seem to like it. < 1385841971 384282 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would guess that they're both near incomprehensible to my modern eyes, though! < 1385842028 808190 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it probably took some time to settle on notation < 1385842065 479754 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not notation. the general forms of arguments. < 1385842088 994559 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like, practically before algebraicization. < 1385842111 374667 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they weren't just doing the same kind of math in a different alphabet, is what i'm sayin. < 1385842142 876610 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though this reminds me, did you know that the derivative was invented by pierre de fermat? < 1385842227 631922 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing everything out in words is notation too =P < 1385842245 122650 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fermat was a smart guy, no doubt < 1385842312 812571 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're different words, i'm telling you. < 1385842398 318833 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably latin < 1385842822 821930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1385843036 947073 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1385843291 88122 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385843293 797378 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385843296 614990 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that the formulae for area of a circle are also related to other integral-based formulas in that they describe the 'inside' of a semantic or geometrical object? < 1385843322 475919 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't learn that in calculus? < 1385843349 591049 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I self-taught myself. < 1385843363 523838 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did so many problems about finding the volumes of ridiculous shapes, you don't even know < 1385843365 662496 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should still have the knowledge of a child in Year 6. < 1385843395 760466 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the volume of gabriel's horn < 1385843435 987016 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385843473 773123 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385843487 719500 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a multiple of e < 1385843496 774746 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~= 2.718281828459045 < 1385843502 757602 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net PART :#esoteric < 1385843551 103904 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1385843553 987496 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you don't need to give me or anyone digits of e really < 1385843555 312893 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385843563 84484 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity < 1385843565 81598 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 2 < 1385843569 985812 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ... -zzz- < 1385843621 344284 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i consider e much more beautiful than pi < 1385843642 945552 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i consider the dalles more beautiful than stupid numbers WHAT NOW NERD < 1385843704 569992 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1385843784 862553 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a train across the entire horizon. < 1385843797 21183 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: same < 1385843807 352949 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I absolutely hate pi < 1385843821 774580 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i need to take some lunch money < 1385843863 643367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you prefer to use 2pi as a constant? (When this is done, it is called tau, and I have used it in some programs such as a Csound extension which does this) < 1385843885 946454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1385843894 27614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tau is stupid and bad and smarmy < 1385843900 778137 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just write 'half the circumference of the unit circle' like gauss < 1385843902 784355 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as god intended < 1385843919 250221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Taneb said ... in @tell < 1385843945 331129 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about 4/3 pau? < 1385843954 889032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Maybe, but it is sometimes useful (other times, using pi is useful; other times neither is useful) < 1385843970 364406 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basedgauss < 1385843984 342650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do think e seems a more beautiful than pi, too, I suppose < 1385844009 355825 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it, give me your lunch money or i'll stuff you in a locker < 1385844022 837488 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Why is it 'smarmy'? Does that mean it is 'elegant'? < 1385844030 840750 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes exactly < 1385844052 643646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 'elegant', as interpreted by people whose concept of elegance comes from looking at pictures of fractals and videos by vi hart < 1385844083 828915 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ecks dee < 1385844122 402067 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like vi hart :/ < 1385844149 560927 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do too < 1385844152 260995 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND YET < 1385844155 933272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked 2pi before it was cool and/or called tau < 1385844165 712900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember http://www.math.utah.edu/~palais/pi.pdf < 1385844172 887749 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1385844185 872686 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo pi², comes up all the time!! in zeta functions!! < 1385844191 865060 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who doesn't like zeta functions < 1385844192 924838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you cannot call a C macro "2pi" so I called it TAU < 1385844208 43847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can call it pi2 < 1385844218 720137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the way that pdf draws it is a pi with 3 legs < 1385844223 406705 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that might be confused with Bike's Cool Constant, shachaf < 1385844232 912775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know it's good when it doesn't even have a unicode codepoint < 1385844233 102340 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/1292/ < 1385844239 26574 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still needs a symbol, though < 1385844250 593648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I suppose if you want that symbol you could make a METAFONT program to draw it < 1385844254 516161 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: zeta is based on integral, and integral brings a half factor < 1385844266 908933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't need a Unicode codepoint < 1385844270 144794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: no, it can just go away and be gone < 1385844273 632434 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOA A HALF FACTOR < 1385844288 53706 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep you heard < 1385844288 244026 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why? :D < 1385844361 150541 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the "everybody is equally fucked up" approach < 1385844363 454848 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally support tau. You can't have a constant which is half of some important value. It has to be that value. < 1385844370 101312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[PC]: Weren't you banned? < 1385844378 964763 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my glob. < 1385844384 889384 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[PC]: tau^2/4 sucks < 1385844394 397313 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was a temp ban or something < 1385844396 185836 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: (tau/2)^2 rocks < 1385844401 912369 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not < 1385844405 509399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe it was just #haskell and related channels. < 1385844417 495963 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually just #haskell < 1385844425 7545 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[PC]: you can't have a constant which is double of some important value < 1385844428 785265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And -lens and others. < 1385844436 101643 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: unfortunately pi is not an important value < 1385844442 705150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For sending "creative" spam to the people who banned you. < 1385844480 873989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1385844532 805518 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, pau is very handy for spheres, 2pau is much better than 4/3 pi or 2/3 tau! < 1385844550 840991 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1385844553 392449 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'pau' < 1385844708 616601 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk why all the mathematicians don't support tau < 1385844734 727984 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385844754 133624 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason to keep pi, all of the arguments for pi are just rewritten points that tau argued successifully against < 1385844762 312623 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there is no reason to adapt tau :p < 1385844812 750808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric < 1385844881 257948 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ... < 1385845199 995137 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1385845277 534768 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385845769 41876 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, i was playing xcom the other day and there was some random npc called van doorn < 1385845777 888289 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1385845807 857054 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 48÷2(9+3) < 1385845819 30069 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, 2 < 1385845822 559780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a trick question? < 1385845823 495718 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what did van doorn do < 1385845835 588732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like maybe a check to see how people will interpret associativity < 1385845840 952584 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it's just about as interesting as tau. < 1385845844 152295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my answer is, "2 is not a function" < 1385845850 938132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or alternatively, 2 is a function < 1385845852 428201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1385845861 853381 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a good function < 1385845872 67301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's \f -> f . f < 1385845880 318064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \f -> f . f < 1385845880 507554 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :join (.) < 1385845883 110671 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty good. < 1385845914 480831 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose 9 is the ninth power of a function, and so on? < 1385845934 352193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, sat around on a burning bridge mostly < 1385845944 762521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes < 1385845958 797987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how you do numbers in, say, Underload or Unlambda < 1385845963 80652 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the expression still has problems, then. < 1385846065 991732 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 is not a function unless there is a function instance for Num < 1385846094 84855 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case the answer is 24 < 1385846099 33306 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're interpreting the other numerals as functions as well, freefull. < 1385846116 77793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 9+3 is the twelth-power function < 1385846125 860412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 2 is that function composed with itself < 1385846135 164832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, umm, 144? < 1385846159 47460 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect 9+3 to be the same as 12, even if 9 and 3 are functions < 1385846176 552858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1385846203 950424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a+b is defined as a(succ)(b) < 1385846249 693201 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly + should just be succ so you don't need to define that. < 1385846307 132786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: except that then it'd become nofix rather than infix < 1385846323 922580 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as god intended. < 1385846325 102556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… that sounds like an esolang idea < 1385846336 233298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the operators are nofix, just values < 1385846341 729432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the data are infix, postfix, etc. < 1385846761 273531 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385846843 734357 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385846938 897240 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385847401 665844 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://events.ccc.de/congress/2013/wiki/Projects:Hammer_and_Tongs oh, neat. < 1385847836 213878 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385848063 952726 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :if 2 is \f → f.f and 1 is id, what is 0? < 1385848084 408687 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy, 0 < 1385848097 809357 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385848136 305905 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: \f -> id, probably < 1385848161 531933 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1385848248 966458 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly* < 1385848288 233772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, 0 is \f -> id < 1385848299 530299 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense I suppose < 1385848303 162941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1385848390 155066 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385848450 823279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just representing n as \f -> f^n < 1385848519 310062 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385848547 684039 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of hard when you try to get negatives, eh < 1385848560 700265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :exercise for the bicycle < 1385848589 169123 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :busycle < 1385848589 474553 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: why? < 1385848598 797825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that inhabitants of the type (forall a. (a -> a) -> a -> a) exactly correspond to the naturals. < 1385848614 647310 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 could be \xy.x < 1385848722 52828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or of the type (forall r. (Maybe r -> r) -> r), of course. I.e. Mu Maybe < 1385848731 104280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray for mu < 1385848756 488585 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mu Shachaf < 1385848790 117251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muion < 1385848793 323122 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that sum with 1 right? < 1385848797 984771 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\xy.x)(succ)(\x.x) => (\y.succ)(\x.x) => succ < 1385849165 301310 :Halite[PC]!561ef8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1385849570 491920 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385850006 433594 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys, is there a theorem that says that all TC things have like < 1385850009 407442 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five THINGS < 1385850030 488839 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there's one that the smallest Turing machines have 2 states, 3 symbols or vice versa < 1385850057 942571 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logical combinators have 3 symbols, and two rules < 1385850078 546682 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OISC has three symbols, and I guess two possible behaviour? < 1385850082 162341 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1385850091 152660 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just wondering if there's an overall rule for that < 1385850219 230497 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385850336 802137 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-132.psoas.suomi.net PART :#esoteric < 1385850426 887417 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385850435 975763 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: no < 1385850478 96272 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i'll have to remember that next time i need to be discordian. < 1385850515 367042 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all all algorithms can be defined by a set of symbol, a grammar and transformation rules < 1385850530 905656 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess you might be able to put limits on it < 1385850539 785533 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically 'things' isn't something you can generalize across. < 1385850638 135615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have five things am i tc < 1385850670 550560 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no. < 1385850682 784117 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you are clearly a finite state automaton < 1385850692 79810 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 99 problems but turing completeness isn't one of them < 1385850713 709697 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have ninety-nine problems and it's probably possible to reduce about half of them to the halting problem. < 1385850794 196919 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got 99 problems but an STD ain't one < 1385851125 493716 :Bike!~Glossina@24-221-35-141.pools.static.spcsdns.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385851193 408604 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385851665 958706 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i like the joyent response. < 1385851920 709580 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't help but laugh at 'consider yourself chided' < 1385852051 708013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1385852058 172606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"God, this is so sad. This is the smallest amount of power I've ever seen go to someone's head." < 1385852136 216351 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly they never watched the green mile < 1385852138 412243 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also glad i'm getting this from someone who calls themselves 'wizandrist' < 1385852139 728208 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-200.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1385852139 917639 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-200.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1385852139 917778 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385852455 315762 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'd say 98 problems are reducible < 1385852478 892237 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my problems is to count exactly how many of the problems are reducible to the halting problem. < 1385852491 309687 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the 99th one, you can't figure out if the algorithm for creating an algorithm will ever halt < 1385852532 631814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's generally undecidable whether problems reduce to the halting problem? < 1385852624 781603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any TNT string can be a halting problem for an oracle machine, I think. < 1385852707 72156 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you state your problem in TNT form in the first place though? < 1385852741 653864 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385852751 616030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :First to convert all of "forall" into "exists" (using the logical negation operators in order to do so), and then, to try them until one number succeeds the check. < 1385852772 91673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Perhaps not; what is your problem anyways? < 1385852788 339653 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to win at life < 1385852797 205098 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with brawndo < 1385852894 881212 :Bike!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1385852899 820763 :Bike_!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385853350 773970 :Bike_!~Glossina@24.221.35.141 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385853528 137965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385853840 747766 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram sounds like an esolanger with too much money and power < 1385853892 629612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power." >wisdom/wolfram < 1385853896 769349 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385853906 355935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW IT'S OFFICIAL < 1385853910 304687 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1385853927 380727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i apologize to all those who don't want to be in the same category as him.) < 1385853928 374779 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: should have mentioned the source < 1385853946 978263 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stephen Wolfrom is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him." < 1385853950 331086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a different sort of esolanging < 1385853961 319484 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolanging... < 1385853965 851534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok Taneb convinced me. < 1385853975 366466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him." >wisdom/wolfram < 1385853979 457573 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385853986 684584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1385853988 867666 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include D-modules, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, and Go. < 1385854019 604960 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? automatic squirrel feeders < 1385854021 492266 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatic squirrel feeders? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385854023 978859 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1385854036 238635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/torus,/torus, Stephen Wolfram,/' wisdom/tanebventions < 1385854037 699550 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: can't read wisdom/tanebventions: No such file or directory < 1385854042 106015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1385854045 154013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/torus,/torus, Stephen Wolfram,/' wisdom/tanebvention < 1385854048 931718 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385854082 864627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s wisdom/{stephen ,}wolfram < 1385854084 2782 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go? wtf? < 1385854086 859703 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385854092 198301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stephen wolfram < 1385854093 925300 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stephen wolfram? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385854095 692802 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Go < 1385854096 276313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1385854097 440256 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go is a common verbal game programming language invented by the Germanic Taneb tribes in the strategic territories of East Asia. < 1385854101 288115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wolfram < 1385854103 449247 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him. < 1385854124 610530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1385854135 800216 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even < 1385854138 885995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/*wolfram < 1385854140 768768 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/wolfram < 1385854161 360108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s wisdom/{,"stephen "}wolfram < 1385854164 851514 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: accessing `wisdom/stephen wolfram': Not a directory < 1385854185 933494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what does that expand to < 1385854206 500306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo wisdom/{,"stephen "}wolfram < 1385854207 940096 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/wolfram wisdom/stephen wolfram < 1385854235 788024 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo "Automatic squirrel feeders are just feeders in the category of automatic squirrels. Taneb invented them" > wisdom/automatic\ squirrel\ feeders # i got that wrong didn't i < 1385854237 168725 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Automatic squirrel feeders are just feeders in the category of automatic squirrels. Taneb invented them" > wisdom/automatic\ squirrel\ feeders # i got that wrong didn't i < 1385854242 114717 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Automatic squirrel feeders are just feeders in the category of automatic squirrels. Taneb invented them" > wisdom/automatic\ squirrel\ feeders # i got that wrong didn't i < 1385854246 195435 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385854247 754963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1385854256 570351 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? automatic squirrel feeders < 1385854258 696233 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Automatic squirrel feeders are just feeders in the category of automatic squirrels. Taneb invented them < 1385854267 366955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s wolfram wisdom/"stephen wolfram" < 1385854268 898022 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: accessing `wisdom/stephen wolfram': Not a directory < 1385854282 295383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which ln < 1385854283 424804 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/ln < 1385854303 206495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom/*wolfram < 1385854304 854186 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/*wolfram: No such file or directory < 1385854308 373766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/*wolfram < 1385854309 956941 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/stephen wolfram: Not a directory \ wisdom/wolfram < 1385854320 574931 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1385854326 706896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wolfram < 1385854328 673320 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him. < 1385854334 155393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stephen wolfram < 1385854335 255836 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i like the automatic squirrel feeders < 1385854335 961077 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stephen wolfram? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385854342 420952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run touch wisdom/"cannot access wisdom/stephen wolfram: Not a directory" < 1385854343 780501 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :touch: cannot touch `wisdom/cannot access wisdom/stephen wolfram: Not a directory': No such file or directory < 1385854367 95148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -l wisdom < 1385854368 703481 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. < 1385854375 654523 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run touch this < 1385854378 741376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -d wisdom < 1385854379 781361 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385854380 35641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom/"stephen wolfram" < 1385854381 194435 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf instead. < 1385854381 519922 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/"stephen wolfram": No such file or directory < 1385854383 49305 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1385854389 223778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/"stephen wolfram" < 1385854390 925089 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/stephen wolfram: Not a directory < 1385854397 638917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm wisdom/"stephen wolfram" < 1385854400 137347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, this ls is broken < 1385854402 129645 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385854406 737959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls -d specifically doesn't list the contents of a directory < 1385854409 200863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the directory itself < 1385854419 412087 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should remove that ls anyways < 1385854431 756433 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/ste* < 1385854432 293388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first few files aren't named after nicks, for one thing < 1385854433 499781 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/ste*: No such file or directory < 1385854447 29837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 has a point, although i don't like it. < 1385854500 458856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s wolfram wisdom/"stephen wolfram"; ? "stephen wolfram" < 1385854503 819981 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: creating symbolic link `wisdom/stephen wolfram': File exists \ bash: -: command not found < 1385854514 595786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1385854524 257319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i getting the order wrong or something < 1385854590 722119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -T -s wolfram wisdom/"stephen wolfram"; ? "stephen wolfram" < 1385854592 645013 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: creating symbolic link `wisdom/stephen wolfram': File exists \ bash: -: command not found < 1385854592 834906 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :File exists means your rm doesn't seem to have worked < 1385854598 33957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1385854606 417165 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stephen wolfram < 1385854606 609677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom/*wolfram < 1385854607 902822 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/*wolfram: No such file or directory < 1385854608 445164 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him. < 1385854609 671976 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try /bin/ls instead of ls if you need to I suppose < 1385854614 820243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/*wolfram < 1385854616 666118 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/stephen wolfram \ wisdom/wolfram < 1385854622 47210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /bin/ls -d wisdom < 1385854622 236637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1385854623 693976 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom < 1385854630 603791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wolfram < 1385854632 416221 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him. < 1385854639 796841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it works? < 1385854646 272340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l wisdom/*wolfram < 1385854648 156982 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 7 Nov 30 23:35 wisdom/stephen wolfram -> wolfram \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 83 Nov 30 23:26 wisdom/wolfram < 1385854650 887378 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? run rm -f "wisdom/stephen wolfram" < 1385854652 693223 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :run rm -f "wisdom/stephen wolfram"? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385854653 835740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1385854657 924911 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -f "wisdom/stephen wolfram" < 1385854661 349240 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385854668 145462 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stephen wolfram < 1385854670 135447 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stephen wolfram? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385854675 738837 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There you go < 1385854689 725405 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bc < 1385854691 879815 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bc ௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵௵ < 1385854698 333787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: "There you go, I broke it for you"? < 1385854721 516952 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: He's been trying to delete it < 1385854765 316720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: To create a symlink, which based on the last ls was already there. < 1385854801 291736 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, didn't notice that < 1385854841 434341 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s wisdom/wolfram "wisdom/stephen wolfram" && echo "success" < 1385854845 231980 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: accessing `wisdom/stephen wolfram': Not a directory < 1385854899 902920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think you just generated the wrong symlink again. < 1385854903 34676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l wisdom/*wolfram < 1385854904 900298 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 14 Nov 30 23:40 wisdom/stephen wolfram -> wisdom/wolfram \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 83 Nov 30 23:26 wisdom/wolfram < 1385854920 884975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's supposed to point at "wolfram", not "wisdom/wolfram".) < 1385854928 691578 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're right < 1385854940 23460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1385854942 688309 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that since it errored it wouldn't make a symlink though < 1385854956 177430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aimake's symlink command has a more sensible argument pattern < 1385854961 731707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1385854962 963662 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1385854963 647919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you give the source and destination relative to . < 1385854972 991183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it automatically works out what should be put in the symlink < 1385854974 44761 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /bin/ls -l wisdom/*wolfram < 1385854975 437064 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 83 Nov 30 23:26 wisdom/wolfram < 1385854981 65109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s wolfram "wisdom/stephen wolfram" < 1385854982 325094 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385854989 561222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stephen wolfram < 1385854991 406617 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him. < 1385854994 409745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew < 1385855001 177372 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan saves the day < 1385855007 997263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Much ado about a Wolfram. < 1385855009 746017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea why that didn't seem to work the first time i did it. < 1385855019 356325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's the usual, isn't it < 1385855130 122066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also < 1385855153 873083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv wisdom/"automatic squirrel feeder"{s,} < 1385855157 632108 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385855158 204381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* < 1385855214 984732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/$/./' wisdom/"automatic squirrel feeder" < 1385855218 760041 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385855226 325492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? automatic squirrel feeders < 1385855228 459335 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Automatic squirrel feeders are just feeders in the category of automatic squirrels. Taneb invented them. < 1385855334 86483 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep "Taneb invented them." "wisdom/*" | wc -l < 1385855335 715633 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: wisdom/*: No such file or directory \ 0 < 1385855343 804191 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep "Taneb invented them." wisdom/* | wc -l < 1385855347 234858 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: wisdom/stephen wolfram: Not a directory \ 3 < 1385855353 349019 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah < 1385855376 484994 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up with this not a directory error < 1385855386 571481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom/stephen wolfram < 1385855388 194423 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/stephen wolfram: Not a directory < 1385855401 515683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/"stephen wolfram" < 1385855403 149922 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/stephen wolfram: Not a directory < 1385855403 931270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's has magically turned to the wrong symlink again. < 1385855408 639276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l wisdom/*wolf* < 1385855410 589733 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 14 Nov 30 23:45 wisdom/stephen wolfram -> wisdom/wolfram \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 83 Nov 30 23:26 wisdom/wolfram < 1385855410 907641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1385855414 725392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stephen wolfram < 1385855416 633453 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stephen wolfram? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385855419 982397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what's up with that. < 1385855421 106773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1385855423 246840 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did that happen < 1385855445 585801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh whatever < 1385855484 575552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm "wisdom/stephen wolfram"; cp wisdom/{,"stephen "}wolfram < 1385855485 263378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The repository browser has disapparated oerjan's fixups. < 1385855488 648734 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385855494 10790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stephen wolfram < 1385855496 4039 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him. < 1385855503 221918 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep "Taneb invented them." wisdom/* | wc -l < 1385855505 84718 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1385855509 659137 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep "Taneb invented" wisdom/* | wc -l < 1385855511 471990 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1385855550 988491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess there has been previous warnings that symbolic links don't work well with HackEgo. < 1385855553 557413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep -li 'taneb invented' wisdom/* < 1385855554 359099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*have < 1385855556 587911 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/automatic squirrel feeder \ wisdom/d-module \ wisdom/stephen wolfram \ wisdom/torus \ wisdom/wolfram < 1385855567 115068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impressive list. < 1385855573 497687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope he'll put all that in his CV. < 1385855581 893748 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz JOIN :#esoteric < 1385855587 703011 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Taneb! < 1385855591 287638 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1385855594 531274 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome _46bit < 1385855597 396151 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06_46bit: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.) < 1385855617 25956 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric bot welcome colouring as well! < 1385855641 168672 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1385855643 299376 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1385855643 552914 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1385855656 991694 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hi < 1385855657 181642 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: fnord __theo but i don't like < 1385855660 733301 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1385855660 923158 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1385855713 392642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :beware of _46bit, e's a massive multiplayer online krysz. < 1385855718 864118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-ly < 1385855802 458984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i suspect Taneb invented him. < 1385855816 343855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a "TNT string"? < 1385855831 374265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Something Hofstadter made up, I think. < 1385855843 439003 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it's a fuse for an explosive < 1385855852 289583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very unsafe text representation format. < 1385855878 233912 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be interesting if wisdom factoids were actually scripts in some programming language < 1385855901 248817 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonus points for making all the current ones work fine in the new system < 1385855908 653677 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, more seriously, it's a string in Typographical Number Theory < 1385855932 493622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right