< 1385856004 829961 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey TNT is pretty safe < 1385856013 278198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TNT can be safely poured when liquid into shell cases, and is so insensitive that in 1910, it was exempted from the UK's Explosives Act 1875 and was not considered an explosive for the purposes of manufacture and storage." < 1385856020 253126 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Its potential as an explosive was not appreciated for several years mainly because it was so difficult to detonate" < 1385856046 230123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1385856088 725133 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like safe nitroglycerine < 1385856106 193436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought dynamite was safe nitroglycerine. < 1385856116 881682 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Consumption of TNT produces red urine through the presence of breakdown products" < 1385856135 85226 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can FlooP be compiled into TNT? < 1385856141 694904 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What do you think dynamite is made out of? < 1385856150 884731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: nitroglycerine hth < 1385856165 398301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+ some stuff.) < 1385856173 591162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the problem with dynamite is that it's rendered safe by physical mixing, and the nitroglycerin can settle out gradually and such < 1385856175 755347 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, apparently dynamite isn't actually made from TNT < 1385856229 342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's correct, it's a mixture of nitroglycerin and sawdust / diatomaceaous earth / clay / something like that < 1385856233 570399 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dynamite is less safe than TNT < 1385856235 855536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: sheesh, aren't you swedish or something. or am i confusing you with FireFly again. < 1385856243 824508 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not swedish < 1385856246 951232 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? FreeFull < 1385856248 824088 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull is either full of freedom or free of fulldom, we are not sure. < 1385856256 77870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1385856263 826420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you're excused. < 1385856299 761381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you polish, or am i confusing you with ... < 1385856362 92457 :Frankablu!~Frankablu@95.154.217.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385856372 380402 :Frankablu!~Frankablu@95.154.217.152 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1385856385 838670 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am Polish < 1385856400 685286 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anyone else in here Polish? < 1385856416 480148 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fun fact < 1385856418 427977 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact 0 = 1 | fact n = n * fact (n - 1) < 1385856424 756883 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, are you a north pole or a south pole? < 1385856454 850497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: none of the two other polish sometime regulars i remember at the moment are here. < 1385856459 995872 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they are both, would that make them bipolar? < 1385856478 375916 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What are their names? < 1385856487 379775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga and asiekierka < 1385856493 485134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, nicks. < 1385856497 801052 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, asiekierka sometimes comes here < 1385857116 119402 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 45 < 1385857117 747905 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 45: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1385857796 821301 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode INVISIBLE TIMES < 1385857798 431296 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⁢ < 1385857908 188114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unicode 'LEFT SQUARE BRACKET' 'INVISIBLE TIMES' 'RIGHT SQUARE BRACKET' < 1385857909 979718 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[⁢] < 1385857991 36331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode MAY YOU LIVE IN INVISIBLE TIMES < 1385857992 783737 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1385858000 579817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure that's in chinese somewhere < 1385858250 928059 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385858326 918522 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.194 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385858403 165029 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385859150 209281 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1385859157 201172 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would invisible times be for < 1385859195 463620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably it would be used with mathematics, I suppose; I don't know what programs would use it < 1385859228 30102 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you need something to represent times in a string that can't be seen though? < 1385859259 731083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is used as the input for some computer algebra systems? I don't know. < 1385859275 260983 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems weird man < 1385859279 303017 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i thought unicode love hotel was weird < 1385859281 504783 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is weirder! < 1385859289 438335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, as well as a lot of things in Unicode, don't make much sense though. < 1385859307 649546 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay because we have so much space right?! < 1385859341 636729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Not with the way it is working. < 1385859392 591015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode LOVE HOTEL < 1385859394 163177 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1385859412 960220 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode U+1F3E9 < 1385859414 583757 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1385859453 598470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `unicode isn't particularly flexible < 1385860294 974337 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh invisible times kinda makes sense to me, although they could've called it just JUXTAPOSITION or something < 1385860568 824725 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385860652 114554 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385860815 391308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's some halfassed attempt to be semantic, right? < 1385860856 811669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :juxtaposition doesn't always mean multiplication < 1385861012 753900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also INVISIBLE PLUS < 1385861082 100217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you put it inside 3¼ to indicate that it means 3.25 and not 3*¼ = 0.75 < 1385861085 267495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. weird < 1385861127 689113 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to represent characters on a semantic basis would be adorable if it wasn't so stupid < 1385861576 129944 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :god help me if dealing with invisible characters ever becomes a part of everyday text editing < 1385861597 58987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode INVISIBLE FNORD < 1385861598 567913 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1385861601 819269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure HackEgo < 1385861673 89752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: Well, I don't have any such problems I deal with only ASCII so it isn't a problem. < 1385861910 836782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what do i put in "-3¼", though < 1385861959 24571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta have INVISIBLE MINUS < 1385861972 281135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1385861984 190421 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't think so, you would just change the operator precedence for the invisible operators < 1385861988 213674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe i should read The Illuminatus! Trilogy < 1385861995 163794 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/maybe/definitely/ < 1385862006 546855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should read it for the third time < 1385862055 13995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of times < 1385862142 625452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i read another book instead of that book < 1385862148 750308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe i can read that book now < 1385862155 938914 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which book did you read < 1385862211 561196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Gone-Away World" < 1385862232 17361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also probably several other books since whenever it was you gave me that book to read < 1385862272 548232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's slightly too big to conveniently carry with me < 1385862301 932042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this Dungeons&Dragons game session 45? I still am not quite sure that the prisoner really is disabled yet < 1385862313 966743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I haven't read it. < 1385862434 736164 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When do you intend to read it? < 1385862518 374730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sharpwriter.deviantart.com/art/Bill-Clinton-the-Lady-Killer-357619589 < 1385862530 563898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I wasn't intending to read it. < 1385862532 927852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I? < 1385863374 191588 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1385863519 589165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Probably you should, if you are interested in it. (Anyways, your name is on it so I thought you might be interested.) < 1385863542 790882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, if it is the kinds of stories and things that interests you, I suppose. < 1385865359 145931 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385865463 889732 :ter2!~tertu@184-97-213-116.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385865604 334921 :tertu!~tertu@184-97-213-116.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1385866641 201817 :extwo!~chatzilla@72-28-218-174-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385866651 175708 :extwo!~chatzilla@72-28-218-174-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1385866736 603303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: On the list, you mean? < 1385866799 961017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE extwo < 1385866802 846992 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ExTwO: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: . (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) < 1385866828 156106 :extwo!~chatzilla@72-28-218-174-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1385866969 618866 :extwo!~chatzilla@72-28-218-174-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [SeaMonkey 2.22.1/20131113180422] < 1385867013 693288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes < 1385867988 775140 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-92.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385868254 738453 :ruddy!~ruddy@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385869549 755057 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385870143 492608 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to say that fizzie has the right idea; i don't enjoy being a bus quite as much < 1385870175 756740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right idea of what? < 1385870221 336872 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote train < 1385870223 48573 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :328) The system I kind of have in mind makes a flying train a natural consequence. \ 628) the point of a university is research and training new researchers. the point of the world is to enable this. \ 761) . o O ( (watches on from a distance) I just can't think that abstractly... or I don't want to. I'm more, < 1385870230 543741 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well,one of those. < 1385870920 219042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote am a train < 1385870921 936974 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :820) I am a train. There's a wireless network in the train! < 1385870942 158100 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair i did have a wireless network < 1385871320 74996 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385871326 900319 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385871392 817114 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu NICK :Bike < 1385871576 389855 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, there's a form element in HTML5 called < 1385871590 328004 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess which browser's makers said that they will never support it? < 1385871603 243777 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385871618 665173 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mosaic < 1385871637 387728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that form element mean? < 1385871667 423949 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means create a public/private key pair+certificate, and send the certificate with the form when submitted (roughly, I think) < 1385871868 308876 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to read http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0043.html before yelling at IE < 1385871966 851441 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1385871969 278571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well, what if you were caltrain, though < 1385872013 747233 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't. i was an amtrak superliner. very nice train despite amtrak. < 1385872068 424002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i ever been on amtrak < 1385872071 234713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly not < 1385872082 386442 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not great. my train was like an hour late. < 1385872110 679282 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been on Amtrak once (well, twice if you count the return trip separately) recently (August), and once (twice) as a little kid < 1385872128 245255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's as many as four times! < 1385872139 832609 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's terrible. < 1385872199 162875 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1385872277 896660 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which routes? < 1385872309 440705 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was on a north-south route in western oregon, don't remember names < 1385872536 387759 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1385872636 726414 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1385872782 985121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how west are we talking < 1385872814 30836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually not very aware of the existence of eastern oregon, come to think of it < 1385872825 847584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or eastern washington, for that matter < 1385872828 9428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bicycles < 1385872844 141325 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :out here it's mostly empty. < 1385872868 523315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like empty < 1385872903 163660 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes. < 1385874061 570684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION think he was in eastern oregon once < 1385874064 207050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thinks < 1385874086 720252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1385874088 551425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely remember some oregon trail museum < 1385874121 443274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was visiting remote relatives in idaho < 1385874180 149191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's p. remote < 1385874327 54281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well like fourth cousins or thereabouts. < 1385874463 359050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: do chu spaces belong in categories < 1385875283 45491 :tertu3!~tertu@184-97-213-116.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385875435 875923 :ter2!~tertu@184-97-213-116.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1385877941 76267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385878335 775111 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-92.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385878450 416868 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you play oregon trail at the oregon trail museum < 1385878454 46988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they sick of people asking that < 1385878567 827801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sick of asking that? < 1385878606 915737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1385881844 6680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Earlier this week while I was waiting in someone's office I read a book I found on their shelf, about graph theory. < 1385881995 360847 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what do you think about ? < 1385882588 943725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Whose office? Which book? < 1385882623 189693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some office I had to wait in for something. I do not remember the title of the book. < 1385884183 701616 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone walk me through how to do a github pull request < 1385884317 548818 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://help.github.com/articles/using-pull-requests < 1385884324 54284 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1385885975 285231 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1385886206 727116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can get command and conquer: red alert 2: yuri's revenge for free online these days and it works under wine < 1385886226 114010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(multiplayer/skirmish-only) < 1385886349 533979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :command and conquer: red alert 2: yuri's revenge: slaves to armok: god of blood: chapter ii: dwarf fortress < 1385886432 319174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1385886439 836919 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1385886535 313158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recently had an occasion to read some of my own quotes while looking for something; can't stop chuckling at my own "joke". (Guess that says something.) < 1385886567 849770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which joke < 1385886578 764965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it Recently had an occasion to read some of my own quotes while looking for something; can't stop chuckling at my own "joke". (Guess that says something.) < 1385886585 575799 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sent my first pull request!! only had to reset two passwords to do it < 1385886589 808296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it was < 1385886592 193338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote hobbitem < 1385886593 841271 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :562) An 'ad hobbitem' fallacy is when you try to undermine someone's credibility by referring to how hairy his/her feets are. < 1385890206 140387 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385890577 809039 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385891158 607903 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. I might have some new idea based on my old ideas < 1385891173 256191 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Initially there's 1 Storage Cell < 1385891191 461924 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you put a large value in it, that large value somehow expands Space < 1385891195 533879 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving you more storage < 1385891212 409554 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it also distorts surounding new cell < 1385891274 252141 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e if you put 8 in it, you get 5x5 cells of storage < 1385891555 556048 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/LxT5wwU4 <- like that < 1385891641 127424 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :* are active cells < 1385891653 965788 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385891654 570939 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And only active cells distort surrounding cells < 1385892521 914054 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385893467 872317 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1385893581 189314 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385895303 93090 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1385895448 360814 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385896239 121462 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP IM SLOWLY CHOKING ON A MARKS AND SPENCERS CHOCOLATE BROWNIE MIMI BITE < 1385896248 568762 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DIDNT CHEW ENOUGH AND IT IS STICKY AND IN MY THROAT < 1385896591 253487 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a stupid bug I've got in Data.Group that nobody's noticed < 1385896603 248133 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because a) nobody uses Data.Group < 1385896664 929484 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And b) there is only one type on Hackage it will happen for < 1385896722 595675 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Dual (Endomorphism a)) < 1385896728 952027 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*k a < 1385896734 819029 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where k is a groupoid < 1385897110 992941 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, should I give up waiting and start a new fortress < 1385897330 440266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still choking? < 1385897337 318544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just curious.) < 1385897507 404002 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1385897513 532936 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am better now < 1385897537 815073 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm not quite dead yet" < 1385897777 496358 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, yes < 1385897793 527633 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also! < 1385897795 413764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't anticipate losing interest in computering < 1385897799 303447 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixing the dual problem! < 1385897812 244741 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ab)^-1 = (b^1 a^-1) < 1385897857 532434 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... (Dual a)^n = Dual ((a^-n)^-1)? < 1385898188 31538 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is (ab)^-1 = (b^1 a^-1) a typo or a bug? < 1385898224 389657 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typo < 1385898235 688149 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be b^-1 < 1385898243 559082 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a dual < 1385898277 626009 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I see it, a |-> a^-1 is a homomorphism from a group to its dual < 1385898286 202065 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Dual x `mappend` Dual y = Dual (y `mappend` x) < 1385898323 691770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it... reverses the order of the operation? < 1385898326 451601 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, if I was better at words I would probably agree with you < 1385898327 849957 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes < 1385898360 270448 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you treat a monoid as a category with one object it is exactly CT dual < 1385898407 693644 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, you turn around all arrows. < 1385898414 823959 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, he means that ^-1 acts in the same way you've just described Dual < 1385898435 608166 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes < 1385898502 741882 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I was under the impression that we were discussing groups at the time. Obviously, this doesn't help much with monoids that don't have inverses.) < 1385898523 703700 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah, this is about groups) < 1385898529 671048 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(all groups are monoids anyway) < 1385898582 456490 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pages like http://www.tapscape.com/sheep-marketplace-scam-revealed-40-million-stolen/ that abuse CSS to entice people to enable Javascript make me angry. (Disabling the CSS instead helps, too.) < 1385899470 883212 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385899498 50623 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385899739 850041 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1385900406 910318 :bixio!~bixio@host237-220-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1385900611 704822 :bixio!~bixio@host237-220-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385900651 335674 :bixio!~bixio@host237-220-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1385900683 621496 :bixio!~bixio@host237-220-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Client Quit < 1385901033 395645 :bixio!~bixio@host237-220-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1385901288 884245 :bixio!~bixio@host237-220-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :ciao < 1385901289 110461 :bixio!~bixio@host237-220-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :!list < 1385901472 413671 :bixio!~bixio@host237-220-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385902058 914928 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385902085 684651 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385902155 657434 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385902162 121684 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385902272 661027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't think I've seen a non-joke !list in a while. < 1385902373 417852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Welcome to rajaniemi.freenode.net in Helsinki, Finland. Our thanks to Aalto University for sponsoring this server!" Huh, didn't know our university had anything to do with it. < 1385902548 46471 :Sorella!~quildreen@201.80.214.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385902569 416435 :Sorella!~quildreen@201.80.214.167 QUIT :Changing host < 1385902569 606340 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1385903316 32491 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1385903316 732148 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1385903330 889318 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help userinterps < 1385903331 346206 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​userinterps: Users can add interpreters written in any of the languages in !help languages. See !help addinterp, delinterp, show | !userinterps. List interpreters added with !addinterp. < 1385903344 598143 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1385903345 142599 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Installed user interpreters: about acro aol austro bc bct bf2c bfbignum botsnack brit brooklyn bypass_ignore bytes cat chaos chiqrsx9p choo cmd cpick ctcp dc decide drawl drome dubya echo ehird elmer fudd glogbot_ignore google graph hello helloworld id inc insanetemp jethro kraut lg lperl lsh map monqy num numberwang ook pansy pi pikhq ping pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler prefixes python python2 redneck reverse rimshot rot13 rot47 ruby_ sadbf sanet < 1385903353 269290 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!inc 1 < 1385903355 146081 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. < 1385903608 476381 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!insanetemp 21 < 1385903609 95439 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :69.8 < 1385903636 895512 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1385903792 168108 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385903913 726702 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!decide What? < 1385903925 753359 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ /tmp/runghcXXXX6262.hs:1:8: \ Could not find module `System.Random' \ Use -v to see a list of the files searched for. < 1385903947 992650 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python2 `[1]` < 1385903948 874380 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385903953 332135 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python2 print `[1]` < 1385903954 353094 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[1] < 1385904043 858379 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pirate arr? < 1385904044 524219 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arr? < 1385904050 234393 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pirate r < 1385904050 888623 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1385904052 713477 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1385904345 595073 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we've going to be programmin on these, unless intel somehow gets a stranglehold on the processor market but that is not going to happen" < 1385904352 987648 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 1975 < 1385904407 121818 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if we're still using threads and locks in 40 years [2015] we should just pack up and go home as we have clearly failed" < 1385904443 64912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pirate Something that's not piratey beforehand. < 1385904443 684223 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that's not piratey beforehand. < 1385904447 430691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pirate Something that's not piratey beforehand. < 1385904448 70780 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that's not piratey beforehand. < 1385904450 249462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1385904460 983925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's not always the same thing.) < 1385904465 246280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pirate Something that's not piratey beforehand. < 1385904465 942488 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that's not piratey beforehand. < 1385904467 438831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1385904472 155204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm just not lucky. < 1385904480 192397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[15:27:18] !pirate Something that's not piratey beforehand. < 1385904480 382033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[15:27:18] Something that's not piratey beforehand, by Davy Jones's locker. < 1385904567 980836 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we are not going to have text files before, we will be representing data spatially" < 1385904595 476649 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anymore < 1385904669 33020 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humanity has failed anyway < 1385904737 385755 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does pirate do? < 1385904752 274180 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what should it do < 1385904760 120326 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pirate box < 1385904760 785759 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :box < 1385904773 650137 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pirate bay < 1385904774 237320 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bay < 1385904987 529893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess EgoBot's live instance isn't web-repository-browseable, unlike HackEgo's. :/ < 1385904996 167645 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa stuff < 1385905007 932679 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pTEmbeENF4 < 1385905059 894399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pirate I say, are you quite all right, man? < 1385905060 498225 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say, I'll warrant ye, be ye quite all right, lubber? < 1385905065 430022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's more like it. < 1385905080 947754 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm streaming Dwarf Fortress < 1385905101 8991 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the df < 1385905102 487580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pirate I'm not streaming Dwarf Fortress. < 1385905103 65 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not streaming Dwarf Fertress. < 1385905109 416289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fertress. < 1385905125 815586 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you streaming dwarf fertress? < 1385905126 147039 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://www.schemers.com/ fnord is the viewfinder you can turn a function inside-out. does that make sense to me < 1385905142 567596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Only you can answer that. < 1385905142 757396 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: before then, he knew that, but befunge it is. 1, but it looks as though it were a procedure < 1385905217 215220 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pirate I say, ... < 1385905217 848294 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say, arrrr, ... < 1385905224 350144 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pirate I say, that's more like it < 1385905225 21283 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say, by Blackbeard's sword, that's more like it < 1385905246 64709 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember how to view it, though < 1385905278 905278 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lwn.net/1999/0121/a/mec.html < 1385905332 587315 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on < 1385905337 52255 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not playing in the terminal < 1385905342 305336 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't stream dwarf fortress < 1385906563 523992 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@msg boily Next time you may use alacritous . < 1385906563 713862 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough privileges < 1385906566 413648 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1385906572 53403 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1385906719 40705 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385906841 635088 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tell tell < 1385906841 824786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1385906868 983585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wilhelm tell < 1385906869 216237 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1385906871 990935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell wilhelm < 1385906872 181720 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I tell wilhelm? < 1385906876 820308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I know! < 1385907174 209651 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1385907177 53349 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385907180 692999 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops. < 1385907709 126261 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385907737 139166 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385907840 746582 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385907869 152847 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385907921 23942 :Sorella!~quildreen@201.80.214.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385907937 929479 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385907953 39142 :Sorella!~quildreen@201.80.214.167 QUIT :Changing host < 1385907953 267139 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1385908421 851470 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385908512 683215 :heroux!~heroux@50708058.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1385909019 52327 :tertu3!~tertu@184-97-213-116.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385909212 796921 :tertu!~tertu@184-97-213-116.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385909636 617076 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385909652 920261 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385910344 657397 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1385912331 816093 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok I absolutely love Lisp < 1385912381 137540 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the only homoiconic language I've seen (that means it treats code as a data type just like numbers or strings) < 1385912491 192382 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about assembly? < 1385912512 523636 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is the same type! < 1385912531 423879 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are right in a way < 1385912547 725185 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define define 0) < 1385912987 196382 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :My iPad is connected to a PC. < 1385913017 879239 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :iPad says not charging, battery app 1 says charging, app 2 says not. < 1385913154 231894 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Battery app 1 has a graph. So far battery level has not changed between 5 mins. < 1385913163 178094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385913311 455822 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Is it? < 1385913389 935095 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385913402 754089 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385913406 703356 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1385913416 460349 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integer vs string literal < 1385913450 83432 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[tablet]: It's because all lisp programs are s-expressions < 1385913461 882911 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all < 1385913470 293060 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some are M-expressions < 1385913512 205013 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog is apparently homoiconic < 1385913519 117722 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What lisp dialects use m-expressions? < 1385913541 19914 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I know it (the HLL) was originally *meant* to use M-exprs, but AFAIK no dialect actually does that < 1385913554 118114 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: probably none. Doesn't mean they didn't exist. < 1385913587 91922 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some concatenative languages could be considered homoiconic I think < 1385913591 985266 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as Joy < 1385913626 814160 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make my own homoiconic language < 1385913727 209405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it take to be homoiconic, what about underload? you cannot analyze the code in any way except by running it... < 1385913760 199933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is definitely no real distinction between data and code. < 1385913858 335055 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1385913868 437724 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it's simple < 1385913886 757197 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we had a program that took in just data and returned something to do with it < 1385913906 406064 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's analogous to taking in code and giving data < 1385914037 174485 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of languages are homoiconic < 1385914047 771200 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact, probably most, but not in any useful way < 1385914072 242180 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not homoiconic like lisp though < 1385914082 218425 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :few are like lisp, yes < 1385914087 179255 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often do people still use self-modifying code, nowadays? < 1385914240 357852 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably only smalltalk can really be claimed to have self modifying code in a true sense < 1385914253 533533 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1385914262 820870 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp at best has code that can write more code and run it < 1385914270 715368 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :does runtime modification of classes count? < 1385914276 325994 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... adding new function to them? < 1385914298 996902 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. i guess ruby does that too quite typically < 1385914364 799892 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :having some amount of higher-order-ness is really i think a main reason that self-modification isnt terribly common < 1385914397 756749 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a tool to help me make a programming language? < 1385914429 371154 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[tablet]: haskell is a good language to design other languages in, i feel < 1385914430 603763 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The human braiiin < 1385914440 872888 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[tablet]: I like Haskell < 1385914456 827898 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get started really quick with Parsec, a Statemonad and a simple eval loop < 1385914464 366706 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not homoiconic :( < 1385914474 91001 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[tablet]: sure it is < 1385914482 458290 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not in as obvious a way as lisp < 1385914484 624228 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok functions are data types < 1385914487 203689 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats really a benefit for haskell < 1385914488 529495 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no < 1385914492 608795 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Neil Patrick Harris homoiconic? < 1385914495 181166 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1385914503 956813 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're polymorphic types < 1385914515 460463 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell programs are ultimately just values in a haskell data type < 1385914516 744420 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eg int -> float < 1385914528 568948 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not implemented that way per se, but template haskell lets you expose some amount of that < 1385914571 583582 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but homoiconicity in your metalanguage isn't terribly important < 1385914572 619494 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer using c# < 1385914575 860225 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1385914604 243406 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good < 1385914613 144189 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can use the CompilerProvider Thingies < 1385914615 18116 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hallisp! < 1385914621 427177 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And directly emit IL < 1385914628 482358 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing a language in haskell is really quite easy tho < 1385914645 510469 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write a (simple) lisp in an hour maybe? < 1385914649 507308 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: hmm? < 1385914662 624992 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIMPLE < 1385914667 109216 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Key word < 1385914690 586073 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, to add fancier features like macros or whatever would take a bit more time, because you'd have to design it all < 1385914698 451724 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the core functionality is easy < 1385914711 691957 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess all you really need is a language with an eval function, though, no? < 1385914724 843332 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it becomes easy for most cases < 1385914732 535819 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Translate the statement, evaluate the translation < 1385914893 631746 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: You can. @Lisp < 1385914901 862798 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: hm? < 1385914914 349981 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write a simple Lisp in an hour in Haskell < 1385914946 944362 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is remarkably like Lisp < 1385914959 408345 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thats because both are LC inspired < 1385914982 825708 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :((+) 3 2) < 1385915346 744802 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, the menus and the search function at the bottom. http://store.steampowered.com/ < 1385915430 201330 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385915456 194106 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385915687 952843 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385915730 972661 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah < 1385915744 927879 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm always troubled with Split < 1385915745 812011 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385915790 816608 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't take care of rags eg (+ (+ (3) (2)) (2)) < 1385915798 906596 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Args* < 1385915838 932591 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what'd i miss < 1385915841 952889 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[tablet]: what are you talking about < 1385915859 586083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck knows < 1385915866 385706 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah < 1385915873 46866 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gotta install Haskel on my new Win8 Laptop too < 1385915888 926765 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever I want to split arguments in my language, it will always split the arguments in the arguments and fail < 1385915901 844001 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I implement a method which doesn't do this. < 1385915921 354743 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that even mean < 1385915942 313498 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1385915944 287646 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget it < 1385915944 927290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER < 1385916059 843571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1385916071 316346 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORGET IT < 1385916097 76158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THAT WILL INCREASE ENTROPY FURTHER < 1385916120 305755 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: on a scale from 1 to 10, how much of a LaTeX expert are you? < 1385916124 487928 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or TeX < 1385916167 713413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least 11 for the latter. < 1385916190 30299 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :I so fail < 1385916293 398703 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when you think of me, what color/image/fruit/animal/appliance/whatever comes to mind. what concrete noun would be best associated with me? < 1385916354 484816 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: orange drink < 1385916380 253970 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[tablet]: but your nick is orange. mine is white. :P < 1385916390 551589 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1385916407 35261 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine is salt, thus it is white < 1385916435 139995 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yours is -topia, so either yoghurt or Tropica fruit drinks come to mind < 1385916502 613649 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with a posh invitation paper to invite it to my mind < 1385916508 365838 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :-topia just means place, so why would it not be a place instead of a drink? < 1385916519 461412 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk < 1385916706 372015 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[tablet]: Are having trouble parsing your language? < 1385916730 475907 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I got rid of it < 1385916745 709201 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to do it with Haskell now, hmm < 1385916751 843838 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my freaking headache is so bad I have trouble reading... < 1385916770 850753 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah. Parsec is nice < 1385916812 874241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't know LaTeX, but I know TeX. I still don't know quite how much on such a scale, however. < 1385916921 386044 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[tablet]: what language < 1385916945 831199 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, Haskell............ Not done much yet < 1385916973 168859 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget it < 1385916975 873215 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[tablet]: i mean what language are you parsing < 1385916997 619157 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk < 1385917041 246820 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could write an Interpreter for Spacefish < 1385917046 928978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Why do you want to know how much of a TeX expert am I anyways? < 1385917048 257035 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably with JS and animated canvas stuff . < 1385917121 474432 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: obviously so i can ask you difficult questions if i am trying to write some TeX file. < 1385917122 451957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i'm afraid i cannot answer properly, since "orange" popped into my mind and that was probably because it was written on the next line. < 1385917135 719538 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Halite is such a biaser < 1385917149 446357 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but i like the color orange. do you mean the fruit? < 1385917153 389056 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ik ;) < 1385917176 22637 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fruit < 1385917193 574011 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehehehehehe < 1385917218 694473 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1385917236 639507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i like both. < 1385917258 18597 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so blood oranges and yellow oranges just won't do? < 1385917263 295029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although perhaps something sweeter than the big oranges. < 1385917279 205598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: just be my clementine < 1385917286 336014 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwwww < 1385917290 592314 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant yellow oranges < 1385917293 134258 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 clementines < 1385917294 182493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well, you can ask questions anyways; I do know a lot about it and have done things with it even sorting and multiple columns and other things. What is it you are trying to do? < 1385917304 260060 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are so easy to peel and eat and don't make a mess < 1385917308 482555 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could eat them all day < 1385917332 914187 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nothing at the moment. i'll let you know if somethign comes up. < 1385917348 196105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1385917356 859677 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Spacefish <- need some brainstorm buddy < 1385917382 721877 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be possible to just place Max Values at some cells and then place the actuall values you are interested about on the outer edge < 1385917389 160101 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e where the distortion is minimal < 1385917395 787681 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means the distortion is 1 < 1385917413 920206 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then one should be able to reconstruct the stored value by subtracting 1 < 1385917431 974525 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1385917435 525712 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 255 is max < 1385917444 632505 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't store 255 in such a cell < 1385917463 520726 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that shouldn't matter < 1385917481 913988 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e it wraps around to 0, subtract 1 and you have 255 back < 1385917543 432978 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of cellular automaton < 1385917591 646717 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: your reasoning sounds fine < 1385917598 793328 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you put a 254 in it, it would be distorted to 255 < 1385917618 299294 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that means, that 255 now influences values you put in the other edges < 1385917629 45694 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1385917635 812959 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you just put values far apart. < 1385917636 414229 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1385917637 719900 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: does every + or - cause a distortion? < 1385917654 137332 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like doing + to a 15 will suddenly distort cells even further away? < 1385917656 828777 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you increase a value, you increase it's range of distortion, yes < 1385917698 28210 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: so what happens if I do a -+ to the start cell? < 1385917749 954858 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will affect other cells with a change. Does that mean the other cells affect yet others? < 1385917750 530682 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also.. if you decrease it the space shrinks < 1385917775 630253 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It warps around to 255 < 1385917778 332735 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :creating more space < 1385917784 719246 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you increment it which wraps around to 0 < 1385917787 397547 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your space is gone < 1385917826 451665 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: so what happens if i do a ->>>>>>>>-+<<<<<<<<+ < 1385917893 125264 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what happens if i do ->>>>>>>>+<<<<<<<<+ < 1385917975 57577 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :255 127 63 31 15 7 3 1 < 1385917987 710796 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1385917999 892999 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the - would decrement the cell's value 1 to 0 < 1385918009 279669 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then increment it to 1 < 1385918015 77612 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you go back to the 255 cell < 1385918017 444347 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and set it to 0 < 1385918043 656424 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah just pretend i put seven >) < 1385918049 951620 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and seven <) < 1385918061 790370 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured every active cell has to be "connected" to the initial cell < 1385918072 138066 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if that connection is gone, the active cell vanishes < 1385918099 316141 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e you end up with only one active cell (the inital cell) with value 0 < 1385918105 323348 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then i couldn't move way off into space doing [->>>>>>>-<<<<<<<+>>>>>>>]? < 1385918105 562043 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*initial < 1385918125 972325 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the second possibility would be < 1385918142 910091 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you have two active cells < 1385918153 399875 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is actually no "space" between those < 1385918170 679558 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when space disappears, the distortion disappears too? < 1385918171 477900 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :9/20 packets received (45.0%) 1963.789 min / 2440.817 avg / 2866.578 max < 1385918171 667703 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dies < 1385918187 998999 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :trout: are those JUMBOGRAMS? < 1385918188 190664 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: The distortion is actually what causes space to exist < 1385918242 546154 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: so implementation-wise, you have to watch the cell to see if it is incrementing or decrementing to or from a power of two, and if so, run out and do a whole bunch of distorting or undistorting? < 1385918262 678669 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1385918269 792162 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once a cell changes it's value you have to adjust other cells < 1385918287 988934 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly deleting cells and/or shrinking the space < 1385918292 236915 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and expanding the space < 1385918302 476748 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: okay, so let's say ->>>>>>>+<<<<<<<++ creates two separate 1s. would another > take me back to the second 1? < 1385918320 582360 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably gonna go with the restriction, that every active cell must be within reach to the initial cell to keep existing < 1385918353 878039 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No. The second one would disappear < 1385918361 313914 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: "within reach" meaning "connected to a cell that is within reach of the initial cell"? < 1385918385 474132 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no < 1385918386 784365 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Or in other terms: If a cell is not distorted by any other cell, it vanishes < 1385918399 675852 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: wireless < 1385918399 945323 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1385918434 669832 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: so a cell could be distorted by another cell even if it contains zero? < 1385918454 401143 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would allow you to create two cells distorting each other outside the range of the initial cell :) < 1385918484 457766 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Which cell contains zero? < 1385918495 329979 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cell containing zero does not distort any other cell < 1385918504 241464 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1385918510 232843 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could be distorted itself < 1385918511 946443 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1385918514 655139 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1385918520 918418 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's undistorted value might be 255 < 1385918536 747781 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds consistent < 1385918538 447840 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but due to some influence it's visible value is (255 + 1 = 0) < 1385918559 693878 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uhm < 1385918566 247698 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :++>- < 1385918588 973912 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The value 2 in the initial cell distorts the cell to the right by 1 < 1385918599 269529 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means the decrement will set it to zero < 1385918651 239067 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay here's a weird thing... < 1385918658 70585 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i do ++++ < 1385918666 648589 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cell to the right will become 2 < 1385918674 481680 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will distort the original cell to 5 < 1385918680 310952 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1385918715 218358 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1385918737 53285 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cell to the right is not considered an active cell < 1385918759 275917 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it becomes active ones you change it's value < 1385918760 81199 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay what if i did ++++>-+^-+<-+<-+v < 1385918762 245896 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1385918767 350846 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1385918771 466386 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid lag < 1385918775 813033 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++>-+ < 1385918776 109381 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :++++>-+ < 1385918778 808795 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1385918779 769071 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1385918780 763246 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this distortion stuff all about? < 1385918783 566742 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a spec for this brainfuck derivative thing? < 1385918783 791396 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i was trying to do < 1385918789 393112 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would distort the original cell yes < 1385918844 115747 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so what about ++++>-+<+++. what value does initial cell contain? < 1385918894 874107 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e distortion does not cause other distortion :) < 1385918910 527184 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh this bf variation actually sounds somewhat interesting. < 1385918914 99407 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who came up with it? < 1385918914 608773 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer the question < 1385918917 740496 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You initialize to 4, which means the cell to the right is distorted by two < 1385918927 29655 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you decrement it to one < 1385918941 824575 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which does not distort the initial cell because 1 /2 = 0 < 1385918946 436459 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you increment it back to 2 < 1385918951 474435 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which distorts the initial cell by 1 < 1385918956 11590 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :causing it to be 5 < 1385918966 376534 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you add 3 to it < 1385918970 260656 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it becomes 8 < 1385918980 651801 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which distorts the cell to the right by 4 making it become 6 < 1385919004 991731 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so initial cell: 8, cell to the right: 6 < 1385919016 875819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385919046 82137 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the fact that the cell to the right is active doesn't mean that distortion to it propagates another further than it? < 1385919108 827273 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... ++++>-+<+++>-+ should put the original cell to 10? < 1385919127 526439 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it is problematic to propagate it further < 1385919142 297278 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say that 6 distorts the initial value again < 1385919145 855933 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 3 < 1385919149 663834 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it become 11 < 1385919171 109626 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would distort the cell to the right now by 5 < 1385919176 246090 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it uhm... 7? < 1385919185 624346 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it should stop, right? < 1385919188 391767 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get the distinction between initialisation and mutation < 1385919197 283391 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it becomes very difficult to set cells to arbitrary values yes? < 1385919204 687576 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you isolate them < 1385919270 309717 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ++++++++, would that affect surrounding cells as in the second example in http://esolangs.org/wiki/Spacefish#Storage ? < 1385919272 458538 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to my esolangs.org wiki page the 6 would distort the initial value back < 1385919275 970660 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes < 1385919278 539532 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would become 11 in that case < 1385919309 440821 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: this page needs Categories < 1385919328 620319 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Just +...? < 1385919358 755630 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: yes, just 8 +'s, which would presumably set the initial active cell to 8? < 1385919365 332650 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1385919365 687860 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure how it affects the surrounding cells < 1385919370 500949 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the example is incorrect though :) < 1385919374 470564 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an early made up sketch < 1385919380 124426 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should distort 4 2 1 < 1385919382 749781 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just 4 and 2 < 1385919387 710069 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right < 1385919395 494867 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: if it propagates further it could be that -+ changes has a net (negative) effect on a cell, right? < 1385919403 374980 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would ++++><++++ do the same thing? < 1385919410 160159 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: There could be very weird wrap around effects yeah < 1385919419 547973 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a cell's value is 250 and the next cell has uhm... < 1385919423 893228 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: i mean not wraparound, just distortion < 1385919425 317560 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't it propagate distortion for setting the cell to 1, then to 2, then to 3, then ..., to 8 < 1385919426 650309 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 < 1385919435 263969 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would distort the 250 to 10 < 1385919451 794622 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would distort the cell to the right less < 1385919457 659974 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's the problem with propagation < 1385919461 970499 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :when does it stop? < 1385919485 257271 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: It does < 1385919557 47471 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I'd expect it to add \sum_{i=1}^8 \log_2{i} to the immediately surrounding cells < 1385919558 808052 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: A cell has an "actual value" and a "visible value" < 1385919570 514793 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cell to the right of the initial cell has the actual value 0 < 1385919577 414060 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you increment the initial cell to two < 1385919588 852497 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the visible value of that cell changes to 1 (due to distortion) < 1385919602 42134 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you increment it to 8 < 1385919609 389385 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual value is still 0 < 1385919615 516058 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the distortion is now 4 < 1385919619 513952 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :making the visible value 4 < 1385919634 478188 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: like for instance ++++++>+++<->-+ what is the value in the second cell? before and after the -+? < 1385919640 182688 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, sounds like distortion would be tricky to calculate when multiple nearby cells may affect it < 1385919669 94615 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. Initial Cell = 6, then move to the right < 1385919672 311033 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily < 1385919675 998295 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems hard to tell whether a particular operation distorts a particular cell, if you have to check if another nearby cell affects it too < 1385919679 170138 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :increment it by 3 but it has a distortion of 3 < 1385919689 818482 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it's value 6 < 1385919698 345402 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then move to the left < 1385919701 159046 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :decrement it to 5 < 1385919708 677373 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :decreasing the distortion to two < 1385919718 418814 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :f they just sum. < 1385919727 284507 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the cell to the right becomes 3 + 2 = 5 < 1385919748 773381 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then move to the right < 1385919751 340371 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :decrement it < 1385919754 724661 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it's value 4 < 1385919755 744283 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like way to add < 1385919760 867288 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: you miscalculated, but also, i meant ++++++>+<->-+ < 1385919769 661624 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably :) < 1385919800 938336 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write a 1D interpreter :) < 1385919852 687649 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: hold on a sec < 1385919880 731109 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You set the initial cell to 6, then increment the cell to the right making it become 4 which distorts back the original cell by two making it become 8 < 1385919881 948259 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write one w/o distortion < 1385919899 985045 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :8>2>8<<-- where numbers denote number of +es, would leave the middle cell at 2+4 = 6? < 1385919917 523539 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you move back, decrement it to making the cell to the right uhm... < 1385919934 330958 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 / 2 = 3 < 1385919986 478341 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that doesn't change the value of the cell to the right < 1385919994 132135 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh huh < 1385920004 935381 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1385920029 799868 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: 8>2> causes the second cell to become 6, yes < 1385920040 889452 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the first cell to become 9 < 1385920050 83803 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you end up with 9,6 < 1385920075 571628 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realised the third 8 would mess with the initial cell too < 1385920077 451698 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about +>+v+v+<+<+^+^+vv>v+v+<+>>+v+<<+v+>>+ < 1385920085 629840 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes, it would < 1385920098 832223 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: would that retroactively affect the middle cell too? < 1385920124 339487 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1385920128 982032 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the third cell is distorted by 1 (from the 2) + 2 (from the 8) < 1385920136 86277 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it's value 11 < 1385920158 796271 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which distorts the first and second cell :) < 1385920184 640424 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, this is confusing :D < 1385920375 737607 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: http://pastebin.com/p0gP83Nh < 1385920385 252358 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is an example of -+ having a net negative effect < 1385920442 989854 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1385920499 532872 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a 3d version :) < 1385920519 645749 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keeping it to 1D/2D is probably easier to visualise < 1385920522 365300 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree that a 1d version would be hard enough < 1385920546 411302 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuses excuses < 1385920593 570721 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it fractional < 1385920608 237271 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 251 seconds < 1385920728 398235 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: heck yeah! < 1385920761 223572 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there should be a solution to immediately jump to the equilibrium values... < 1385921039 20411 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going to be though to write an interpreter for that :D < 1385921141 352342 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: i feel like it would be easier just to completely separate the distortion value from the hidden value < 1385921143 915258 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might even be the case, that the result depends on which cell the interpreter updateds first < 1385921152 997625 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*updates < 1385921176 827857 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: only let hidden values create distortion, and only add the distortion in when doing computation on the cell's value < 1385921195 884700 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although, i don't know if this is actually "easy" or makes a difference at all... < 1385921199 81044 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1385921206 126867 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1385921216 849337 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense @computation < 1385921236 133976 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1385921242 826987 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385921258 31092 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the feeling that the result might depend on whether an interpreter updates the cell to the left first or if he updates the cell to the right first < 1385921262 223502 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know yet < 1385921650 637160 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, hm, why not apply both at once? < 1385921910 339188 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know yet :) < 1385921922 386308 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's currently just an idea < 1385922625 265855 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Affected bones would glow a greenish-white colour in the dark. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phossy_jaw < 1385922796 810332 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1385923760 528621 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybode is welcome to write an interpreter or contribute to/for Spacefish :) < 1385923763 476825 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*body < 1385923775 65907 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a compiler < 1385923779 389062 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're really sick < 1385923812 114810 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pffff < 1385923821 57879 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1385923945 225029 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1385924419 127913 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1385924882 399097 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to troll me? < 1385924943 472267 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385924965 80337 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1385925012 166719 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385926088 928855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/Gequeoman/status/406485957442285568 < 1385926283 608431 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's hope there's some session id in it so somebody can hijack it < 1385927174 338504 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385927583 576002 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1385927678 455729 :oklopol!~oklopol@201-246-120-79.baf.movistar.cl JOIN :#esoteric < 1385927953 281469 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/12/01/047207/dial-00000000-to-blow-up-the-world < 1385928120 555136 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice and easy to remember < 1385928388 565388 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the raf secured their nukes with bicycle locks < 1385928609 597025 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and chickens < 1385928623 889769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Peacock#Chicken_power < 1385928643 529140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It does seem like an April Fool but it most certainly is not. The Civil Service does not do jokes." ah that dry british sense of humour < 1385928805 754442 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if anyon'es written a dedicated thing about the storied history of chickens in the cold war < 1385928848 808035 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that, there's skinner's thing... maybe biopreparat tried to invent avian flu at some point < 1385930177 86308 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385930240 164363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385930354 48854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:39] [CTCP] Received CTCP-TIME reply from ais523: Sun Dec 1 21:39:02 2013. < 1385930355 952151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1385930372 102125 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1385930377 625468 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you timed yourself? < 1385930388 273705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, look at the timezone < 1385930388 986869 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy New Year's! < 1385930390 974067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in France atm < 1385930408 446183 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1385930417 639850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't new year yet. < 1385930418 947546 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's GMT+1? < 1385930423 787603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except the liturgical year) < 1385930430 709710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah < 1385930448 334764 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not something i would have thought to look for without prompting < 1385930582 598018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a ctcp-time response? < 1385930649 345197 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1385930854 295137 :tswett_!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385930889 681575 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think someone who is deaf and dumb for his entire lifetime can write music? < 1385930990 277171 :tswett5!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385930994 451008 :tswett5!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 NICK :tswett__ < 1385931000 699418 :tswett__!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it. < 1385931003 882934 :tswett__!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn ((((a -> e) -> e) -> a) -> e) -> e < 1385931004 72651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- f cannot be realized. < 1385931117 306018 :tswett_!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1385931243 521066 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cool, where in france are you? < 1385931254 7464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: Fontainebleau < 1385931264 245467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like two towns across from Paris in the south-east direction < 1385931273 345486 :tswett__!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1385931289 849366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh, there was a whole second discussion about that two-line patch where it was reverted? < 1385931298 207674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good revert < 1385931311 13654 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :discussion on that commit? yes < 1385931315 812571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been avoiding that < 1385931324 603012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which commit? < 1385931344 469067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i guess also twitter discussion < 1385931658 772772 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: only if he learns to play pinball first < 1385931753 756464 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how's your french? < 1385931766 332980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ < 1385931831 102870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: pretty bad < 1385931852 61197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can read a smallish proportion of it, but can't understand spoken french, and can't speak it any better than barely intelligibly < 1385931903 835573 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have french-speaking friends around to smooth your way, or just depending on the ubiquity of english? < 1385931931 861034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a conference, everyone at the conference itself speaks English < 1385931950 736137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and enough of them speak French that so long as someone else is around, I can mostly navigate the non-conferency bits < 1385931962 365087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what conference? < 1385931999 160467 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1385932036 124468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a workshop on bounded linear logic < 1385932037 987267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it has a name < 1385932061 157565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know chu spaces are a model for linear logic < 1385932077 882019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Just as !A weakens A to a poset (when K=2), ?A dually strengthens A to a distributive lattice, the dual notion to a poset." etc. < 1385932145 175162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1385932165 167843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385932188 795891 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-166.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385932191 797848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ^_|_ is just transposing the matrix and so on < 1385932306 224033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, how does Oj742_smartlock beat timer clears? < 1385932307 735493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or doesn't it? < 1385932356 427026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it tries to shudder < 1385932415 867416 :heroux!~heroux@50708058.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1385932445 264214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, it just seems like a cleverer version of defend9, though < 1385932454 508503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is great, I thought defend9-style programs had no chance nowadays < 1385932456 932802 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1385932487 124032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should have a bounded linear name < 1385932521 7656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what are ! and ?, also what are chu spaces, help < 1385932629 300942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i think !X means "as many as you want of X" < 1385932641 846768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but someone who knows what they're talking about might correct me < 1385932664 231655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and ?X means "as many as i want of X"? maybe? help) < 1385932685 609901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and chu spaces are the best thing but i don't understand them very well yet < 1385932764 237245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?X means "an X that you don't have to use if you don't want to" < 1385932764 426839 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1385932766 99840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ! is like a comonad and ? is like a monad? < 1385932774 742302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally in linear logic, you can't throw data away < 1385932796 159711 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what, a chu space is just an arbitrary bunch of subsets? < 1385932814 319818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, wasn't ?X "you have to use exactly N xs and i specify what N is"? < 1385932824 289411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's just X by itself < 1385932827 256772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought < 1385932832 148287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't X itself "exactly 1"? < 1385932832 338133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure, though < 1385932837 408559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never work with the whole linear logic < 1385932837 769203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not even subsets exactly, since you drop extensionality. < 1385932843 565449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just with fragments < 1385932860 156899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But see http://chu.stanford.edu/ or something. < 1385932896 248796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember ! being associated with comonoids. < 1385932939 123421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not comonoids in Chu in general, which are also interesting things.) < 1385932952 552571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trapped in chu space, send help < 1385932977 859000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you solve http://thue.stanford.edu/puzzle.html about comonoids in Chu, you'll win a prize from Pratt!) < 1385933095 938788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you know topological space < 1385933100 319097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :chu space is a bit like that < 1385933102 230419 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know the definition < 1385933105 455765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't do anything w/ them < 1385933133 659252 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"chu space" seems to be one of those concepts like "category" which incorporates all of math by being incredibly general < 1385933209 180152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1385933237 570120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One can nevertheless reasonably ask where the vein of rich mathematical structures starts to peter out. The answer is that, in at least two technical senses, Chu spaces are a universal Theory of Everything." < 1385933271 779492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not so general as to be uninteresting < 1385933299 158765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it is, i don't know < 1385933326 786715 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :spec98 says # "moves the IP one position beyond the next Funge-Space cell in its path"; how does that interact with wraparound? < 1385933388 267380 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. would 'x #' execute x once, or on and on forever? cfunge seems to go with the latter, so I'm guessing that's the correct interpretation < 1385933404 301366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you know the perspective of "observability" in topological spaces < 1385933422 575389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. http://blog.sigfpe.com/2008/02/what-is-topology.html < 1385933469 507531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it's actually normally considered an officially ambiguous part of the spec < 1385933477 488779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mycology doesn't complain at you whatever you decide, for instance < 1385933480 286747 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, okay < 1385933492 106495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it will mention it, in passing < 1385933510 98128 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former interpretation would be more useful for golfing < 1385934280 177587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385934301 327820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385934632 236978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1385934735 562307 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/0xabad1dea/7740977 on topic! < 1385934739 813511 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385934982 290608 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nice < 1385935150 982336 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? machine < 1385935153 246370 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :machine? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1385935319 789755 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385936024 281658 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the non-commutative group with the smallest order? < 1385936115 248285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION used to know this < 1385936117 800686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :think it's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihedral_group_of_order_6 < 1385936180 509432 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The smallest non-abelian group has 6 elements." < 1385936185 676456 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :First sentence of that page < 1385936196 429625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1385936282 488607 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks kmc < 1385936283 891486 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, kmc. Tmc. < 1385936324 868496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray < 1385936328 278806 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks HackEgo < 1385936329 534252 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, HackEgo. ThackEgo. < 1385936336 867211 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste bin/thanks < 1385936339 658683 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/thanks < 1385936357 868243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks < 1385936362 628051 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, sikl. Thikl. < 1385936367 429425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words < 1385936371 487607 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scapnef < 1385936379 637686 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fenpacs! < 1385936426 82778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks eeeeeeexxxxxxx < 1385936427 513313 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, eeeeeeexxxxxxx. Theeeeeeexxxxxxx. < 1385936463 935841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo eeeeeeexxxxxxx | perl -pe 's/^[^aeiouyAEIOUY]*/Th/;' < 1385936465 925897 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theeeeeeexxxxxxx < 1385936501 197946 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the second carrot means not < 1385936507 221757 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks xxxxxxeeeeee < 1385936507 532059 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :caret. < 1385936508 843029 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, xxxxxxeeeeee. Theeeeee. < 1385936511 214273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :carrot. < 1385936513 160011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1385936528 308319 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`nothanks kth < 1385936529 532510 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: nothanks: not found < 1385936532 238474 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1385936534 339892 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc* < 1385936595 136376 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1385936598 105931 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:O < 1385936604 564473 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :groups does not have a bug in it < 1385936608 801903 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mind was double-wrong < 1385936649 439244 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it when I'm double-wrong < 1385936659 29476 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all the best bits of being right, AND all the best bits of being wrong < 1385936697 228996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1385936711 636222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 'groups' < 1385936723 212563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like it when a program has the same bug in two ways though < 1385936746 151294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can take forever with the usual approach of "make one change and see if the bug went away and revert if not" < 1385937159 53545 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385937301 163493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385937924 419043 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1385938749 365426 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Haskell library with a Group class < 1385938757 593939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1385938770 557069 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may have been me thinking about it, seeing a shortcut, then forgetting about the shortcut < 1385938827 258748 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385939453 263775 :muskrat_!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-48.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385939467 935036 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-166.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1385939469 584455 :muskrat_!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-48.psoas.suomi.net NICK :muskrat < 1385940276 165759 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1385941589 393678 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385941594 846726 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1385941602 450255 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385941611 425493 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Brogue code looks like I could concievable understand it well enough to modify it if I wanted to < 1385941690 29236 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385941695 471059 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1385941881 664868 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1385942262 694966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1385942287 374312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't realise until now that bitcoin is, like, inherently designed to collapse once mining becomes unprofitable < 1385942352 260756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh