< 1385942424 113875 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs to be revitalized by drug money < 1385942598 194276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd imagine moore's law figures in that somehow. < 1385942691 201070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*into < 1385942841 983438 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In theory, there's some sort of equilibrium (the fewer miners there are the more attractive it is to mining), and of course a competition for mining faster and more cheaply (this explains the move to ASICs that happened this year.) < 1385942883 892912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fewer miners part doesn't apply if there's no _marginal_ profit at all. < 1385942887 991926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd think. < 1385942990 916455 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that profitability needs to sustain all bitcoin transactions happening everywhere < 1385942993 402698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are supposed to be transaction fees to compensate for the lack of new coins being minted < 1385942998 108983 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1385943002 747607 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1385943010 678237 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :such freedom < 1385943012 904714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so liberty < 1385943527 305650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mining stops eventually, anyway? < 1385943555 436767 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it continues forever? < 1385943571 986777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I guess I don't understand how bitcoin works then < 1385943631 165468 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think like. mining gets you new coins + transaction fees < 1385943639 492081 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the new coins slowly trail off? < 1385943670 918546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it never actually reaches the total number of bitcoins, just approaches it slower and slower? < 1385943677 741298 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it eventually reaches it < 1385943716 659230 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think like it gives 50 per block, then 25, then 12.5.... plus transaction fees? < 1385943727 515876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then surely mining eventually gets you 0 coins? what would be the point to mining then? < 1385943744 528948 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the transaction fees? < 1385943745 76822 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mining" is the process of signing blocks of transactions. that needs to be done to keep the system going. the freshly minted coins are an incentive for doing so, but as I mentioned, transaction fees are possible (with transactions having fewer incoming coins than outgoing coins; the remainder can be claimed by whoever does the proof of work for the transaction's block) < 1385943769 86441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, right. < 1385943804 467386 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quantities are finite precision so eventually it does reach 0 < 1385943928 954297 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oddly I trust bitcoins about as far as I can throw them :) ) < 1385944258 125751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bitcoin.sipa.be/ ... the growth in (totally wasted!) computing power is crazy. < 1385944456 957857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the future belongs to spamcoin, a cryptographically secure currency based on solving captchas. < 1385944581 258868 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1385944590 555828 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1385944781 574007 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, has anyone tried working out accusatory stats like power costs and carbon footprint yet < 1385944966 922787 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385944996 992968 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Last I checked, ASIC hardware was computing about a billion hashes per Joule. (which is a couple of 100s times better than GPUs; I have no numbers for FPGAs, but they should be inbetween) < 1385945082 290698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we have something like a 6MW lower bound on the power usage, and it's likely to be quite a bit more. < 1385945130 377422 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :20MW? 100MW? I don't know :) < 1385945373 507479 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_Hardware_Comparison has MHash/J numbers for a fairly wide range of hardware, including FPGAs < 1385945986 298473 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1385946451 381216 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of scam is this? http://carbonjar.com/ < 1385948193 274146 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-48.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1385948218 900331 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/b?node=8037720011 < 1385948227 728862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazon is going to start delivering packages by drone, as soon as the FAA will let them < 1385948396 74680 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1385948417 360640 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://www.amazon.com/b?node=8037720011 Amazon is going to start delivering packages by drone, as soon as the FAA will let them < 1385948464 806639 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm amused that i first heard that from a foreign policy person < 1385948491 515644 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i don't thnk i see the point < 1385948563 688596 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain? < 1385948594 842657 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just me personally but the only thing i've wanted delivered in less than half an hour is dinner < 1385948629 715128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my house runs on Google Shopping Express < 1385948640 476708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't *need* things same-day but it's convenient < 1385948655 364423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(helps that GSE's prices are ridiculously unsustainably low) < 1385948666 963149 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1385948687 615327 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when Amazon Prime was first announced I thought it was silly to care about getting stuff in 2 days instead of 7ish but now it feels like a big reason to buy things on amazon < 1385948703 856819 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't use that >_> < 1385948712 227285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have it for free for now but i'm probably hooked < 1385948716 479962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you raise the level of convenience available and give people a taste and they won't go back < 1385948720 41670 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm just unsure what to think of megacorporations being run by sci-fi fans < 1385948720 258166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :first hit's free, kids < 1385948736 211696 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, can't be worse than them being run by businessmen < 1385948752 787281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are definitely run by businesspeople, whether or not they're also sci-fi fans < 1385948763 196796 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i think of things being run by engineers i think of chinese dams. < 1385948776 689536 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't kid yourself that the CEO of a $180B company is not a businessman < 1385948800 913475 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. and i mean they're all ignoring the 'mass social inequality is bad' bits of cyberpunk anyway < 1385948805 774004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just cause you share some culture that was subcultural in the distant past < 1385948807 535849 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't think ultra-fast delivery has to be a big part of the value proposition < 1385948815 979646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks kmc for that pedantry < 1385948838 510628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks P_H for that thing you do < 1385948880 224165 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(didn't little rich boys reading 30s pulp sci-fi grow up to be businessmen too?) < 1385948917 489638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :drones have the potential to be cheaper and a lot easier to manage logistically < 1385948940 167086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to a big heavy gasoline-powered truck with a human inside, run by a third party < 1385948949 827366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I dunno, I haven't run the numbers or anything < 1385949005 557006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again the best ways to move huge amounts of cargo slowly hasn't changed that much in 100 years < 1385949010 635035 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boats and trains < 1385949017 841465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :containerization is a big deal though < 1385949034 618247 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines his dad breaking in "I think you mean SHIPS, kmc" < 1385949066 845272 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of shipping stuff up and down the columbia, it's neat, though < 1385949118 943639 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :gasoline-powered as opposed to what, kerosene-powered? < 1385949246 929633 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385949320 275968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i wonder how those projects on making kerosene from algae are going. < 1385949337 248943 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1385949522 236307 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: mostly, small quadrotor drones are electric, I didn't check about this one though < 1385949563 741695 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i assumed they'd be like, jet uavs with boxes of books on little parachutes < 1385949570 831048 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realise in hindsight that this is very silly < 1385949761 61411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1385949763 503017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be awesome < 1385949766 210300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ballistic package delivery < 1385949771 455786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your pizza in 30 minutes or the next one's free < 1385949782 761855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: here's an interesting theory https://twitter.com/tcarmody/status/407321435016032256 < 1385950257 733268 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385950383 95650 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't ballistic delivery be a massive artillery cannon firing delivery shells < 1385950410 639170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few weeks ago I saw someone repairing a Coca-Cola vending machine and once they closed it and left, they left the configuration menu active, so I was able to see the error messages in it and the sale count and so on; I don't know what all of the options mean though. < 1385951182 237709 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1385951358 374515 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you know i was actually thinking that < 1385951365 998931 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i didn't make the china connection < 1385951574 966211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385951651 685330 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: neato < 1385951666 96837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember back in like 1998 reading about coke machines that were connected to the internet and thinking "wow that's cool" < 1385951678 665681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably a Serious Business usecase for that now < 1385951692 503383 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are they on the internet for? remote reconfiguration? < 1385951702 829383 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1385951725 75608 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1385951739 918984 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :price of dr pepper is raised one dollar in the middle of my purchase and i am arrested for fraud < 1385951766 168052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine it could be useful for logistics < 1385952078 991345 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1385954559 465929 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a lot of machines leave the default passcode for the debug menu < 1385954910 265609 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes I know, I have tried; on those machines I usually find the menu has read-only options, and you cannot do anything other than read the sale count, cash, and error message. < 1385954946 353453 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's very interesting to see which drinks sell most < 1385954976 53504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can check that. < 1385955459 927085 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1385955752 99103 :NamelessOne!~NamelessO@c-98-194-1-220.hsd1.tx.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385956135 900088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"@SnoopDogg: My next record available in bitcoin n delivered in a drone." < 1385956142 451907 :NamelessOne!~NamelessO@c-98-194-1-220.hsd1.tx.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1385956946 350005 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo < 1385956973 801222 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, he'd have to charge like 2BTC to be able to pay for the drone < 1385957041 794916 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus you'd have to be crazy to pay in a deflationary currency < 1385957293 640631 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :#420 < 1385957511 764311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they are crazy enough. < 1385957608 190962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym "you'd have to be high to pay in a deflationary currency" < 1385957726 528578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i thought it was "you have to pay in a deflationary currency to get high" < 1385958010 503840 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :once upon a time yes < 1385958015 587690 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP SR :\ < 1385958051 105229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's back i thought < 1385958060 646628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something else with that name anyway < 1385958481 13274 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SR? < 1385958556 288077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :St. Richard < 1385958581 899112 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: BUT HOW CAN WE TRUST SOMETHING LIKE THAT EVER AGAAIN < 1385958598 530043 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :silk road probably < 1385958620 221691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip silk road, 1197-1253 < 1385958661 899387 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: WE'LL NEVER GET QUALITY CHINESE CLOCKS AGAIN < 1385958663 401886 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1385959346 348695 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am writing Z-machine in Famicom. Currently I have 780 non-comment lines. (counted using egrep -cv $'^[\t ]*(;|$)') < 1385959425 615926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it seem many programs today fail to follow the UNIX way of using filters and pipes and that stuff? < 1385959474 422048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow on jerkcity: QUALITY CHINESE CL?OCKS < 1385959532 38135 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :has unix ever actually been pipe-based or has it been based on inconsitent arcane command linearguments forever < 1385959602 845787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, a lot of things are; lp is although dvilj4 isn't unless its argument is - < 1385959646 833299 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about, like, ls. or dd. < 1385959708 542403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, ls is designed for output, not input; dd is not using the common syntax of other commands due to some strange reason, although it does use stdin/stdout if you don't tell it the filenames otherwise. < 1385959712 432 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: probably because the unix way of doing things is not actually the best way for every situation? < 1385959744 469128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, it isn't best for everything, but there is a lot of things it would work for but that they don't do it that way. < 1385959766 566631 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i mean, ls does all its own coloring and sorting and stuff. < 1385959775 213863 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a turing complete language with only 2 instructions? < 1385959780 312690 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it doesn't really make sense for imagemagick, for instance. imagemagick is a lot simpler the way it is < 1385959792 465241 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8D: yes < 1385959795 614416 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1385959817 290697 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitchanger, perhaps? just go to the tarpits section of the wiki and poke around. < 1385959852 312441 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8D: sk combinators? < 1385959856 27175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, for ImageMagick, it still does need the command to tell it the file type and all that stuff, and you might have more than one file; yet it still helps that you can tell it to use stdin/stdout if you don't give a filename (you still need the type) and that can be useful too < 1385959874 659950 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what is that supposed to mean? < 1385959883 100782 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8D: sk combinator calculus < 1385959896 63867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think for dvilj4 it would make more sense to use pipe/filter (dvilj4 is a program to convert DVI to PCL) < 1385959949 938 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah no < 1385959972 204282 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sk combinators need i combinators to be turing complete < 1385959981 741761 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bitchanger is 4 instructions < 1385959985 120381 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8D: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Impera < 1385959986 492125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8D: No, it doesn't, i can be made from sk < 1385959987 351708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8D: um i = skk < 1385959998 566369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can? < 1385960001 450325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8D: also /// is TC with only / and \ < 1385960037 28049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Like oerjan said, i = skk < 1385960060 604327 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I’m looking for something that can be hidden in the bits of a file < 1385960062 852424 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bytes < 1385960065 377778 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bits < 1385960075 572186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i thought you said you can be made from sk < 1385960085 370529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8D: take a look at iota and jot < 1385960089 414899 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8D: you can hide any language in the bits of a file. < 1385960109 76933 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m talking about instruction-per-birt < 1385960110 820264 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit* < 1385960140 164832 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if there was some general way to put larger data into smaller data units < 1385960141 604103 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm can't think of any like that off the top of my head < 1385960146 577892 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if there was some kind of code < 1385960160 621653 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Bitwise_Cyclic_Tag < 1385960195 952382 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitwise Cyclic Tag works...I guess < 1385960258 155607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how when you have italic text inside other italic text you just un-italic it? < 1385960261 158869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the worst thing < 1385960274 710605 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what scenario? < 1385960287 71733 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do nested italics tags in HTML < 1385960293 37216 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with that shachaf < 1385960296 677479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: In MediaWiki, do you mean? < 1385960298 806523 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FooVar < 1385960316 99416 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8D: Jot might be more compact than BCT < 1385960320 125532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can use HTML italics in MediaWiki too < 1385960342 244268 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a bunch of others to try: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Turing_tarpits < 1385960357 662658 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1385960410 691038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once read on Wikipedia some article about classical logic, one of the sections game what looks to me like SK calculus with one more rule dealing with negation. < 1385960615 158571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SK calculus is like the curry-howard correspondence for the hilbert axioms of logic. < 1385960652 101509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops pressed return too fast < 1385960672 122602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it occurs that i have the first google hit for "ptrace for breakfast" < 1385960711 341379 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just came up with an idea for a two-instruction tape-based imperative TC lang < 1385960721 544831 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i couldn't find one on the wiki < 1385960723 233023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like ptrace and breakfast < 1385960750 698000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry-Howard_correspondence#Correspondence_between_Hilbert-style_deduction_systems_and_combinatory_logic < 1385960775 536657 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :has there ever been a relevant dilbert parody < 1385960798 246900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilbert, not dilbert, bike < 1385960832 315806 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean dilbert but about hilbert < 1385960840 658906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1385960994 990875 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you know how many nested conditionals are required to implement the simplest turing machine < 1385960995 423501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they could reanimate him as a zombie or something < 1385961003 876785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no hth < 1385961011 426649 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tdnh < 1385961815 832701 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you know of a lang that is TC without being capable of nested loops or conditionals, or which bounds the number of nested loops or conditionals? < 1385961850 569413 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by capable < 1385961917 294648 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was obvious. why do you ask that? < 1385961952 772823 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because (one) if it's TC it can emulate a system with unbounded loops (two) we were just talking about combinators which you surely know about and don't have loops or conditionals < 1385962004 116006 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well again, i'm thinking only about imperative langs here < 1385962043 397788 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess < 1385962055 49994 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that if you want to do unbounded loops < 1385962060 411840 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to roll your own < 1385962072 782331 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the lang itself supports no such constructs in its syntax < 1385962082 661043 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or unbounded nested conditionals) < 1385962131 227585 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, scheme doesn't have loops, how about that. < 1385962180 367926 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always thought of scheme as mostly functional < 1385962200 471915 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has begin. < 1385962228 224133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :IT HAS BEGIN | Although maybe if something else strange is done, it might not? | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1385962230 301363 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :present tense? < 1385962274 988742 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a special form (or maybe it's a macro, who cares), "begin", that does a sequence of things one at a time. "imperative" < 1385962277 519180 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay let's make it simpler: know of any imperative TAPE languages with bounded depth of loop/conditional? < 1385962300 641867 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course more simple means morel ikely to get a "no" but i have to try) < 1385962303 479306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure bf is TC with bounded depth. < 1385962319 741275 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there you go. < 1385962364 34314 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what bound? < 1385962369 257057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably as little as two deep. < 1385962411 828753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a main loop to keep things running, and subloops to do various conditional stuff. < 1385962428 455445 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :any implementation of another language in brainfuck would establish a bound, no < 1385962440 521466 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm looking at the TM impl in BF. < 1385962454 489863 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nested very deep < 1385962482 928704 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hevanet.com/cristofd/brainfuck/dbfi.b a bound: however deep this is < 1385962505 116818 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like five or six probably < 1385962506 296044 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bam < 1385963066 264035 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i was just looking at that < 1385963089 744158 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's six < 1385963090 553537 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could just write a SUBLEQ interpreter or some shit < 1385963093 256381 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that interpreter < 1385963234 911744 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i got it < 1385963239 538160 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1385963370 728223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any SQL systems support trigger indices? (Meaning an index on a field of a table or view, but not for the data, but rather for all triggers on it having conditions where one of them is separated by AND and tests if that field is equal to some value, then it places it in that index slot.) < 1385963634 80609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :regclobber.c:69:5: warning: ‘main’ is normally a non-static function [-Wmain] < 1385963637 325165 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :exciting variation! < 1385963653 391664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the syntax for attributes on function definitions is f'd up < 1385963653 907662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :void __attribute__((noreturn)) finish(int retval) { < 1385963702 549461 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs for a declaration: void finish(int retval) __attribute__((noreturn)); < 1385963723 619337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1385963924 358827 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why'd they switch the order on declarations < 1385963975 55981 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably some awful syntactic ambiguity < 1385963979 740042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me < 1385964214 595122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GiveDirectly expanded into Uganda: http://www.givedirectly.org/blog_post.php?id=4639869356775728332 < 1385964219 450901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the extremely rural areas where we chose to work, few households possessed government IDs (required to register for mobile money) so we had to find creative ways to expedite ID procurement" < 1385964228 525007 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no further detail is given < 1385964596 884229 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What channel do I go to for cryptography? < 1385964610 416783 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to ask them what book I should buy < 1385964617 288866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :##crypto < 1385964626 379817 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1385964632 965908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a book once but I forget the title < 1385964637 259512 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked scheiner's. < 1385964641 759879 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda informal i guess. < 1385964668 474770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applied Cryptography? < 1385964670 575027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... outdated < 1385964672 943551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sockpuppet.org/blog/2013/07/22/applied-practical-cryptography/ < 1385964685 231559 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shows what i know. < 1385964693 726123 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cryptography Engineering is supposedly better < 1385964718 92563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ##crypto topic links to http://www.cacr.math.uwaterloo.ca/hac < 1385964728 900188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool how these books all have almost the same title, eh? < 1385964763 489446 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my book will be titled "engineering applications of cryptography" < 1385964939 436403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever book it was I read, explained several things including encrypted poker games and secret sharing algorithms. < 1385964993 606053 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Select any point in the plane and generate a bunch of equations of lines all of which pass through the point; you need any two of them to figure out what point is meant. < 1385965071 281800 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are cool yeah < 1385965081 631259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you think about zero knowledge proofs? < 1385965111 815920 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pretty neat < 1385965115 178723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Several things would have to be taken into account to make a secure implementation though, I think) < 1385965166 985238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I didn't really remember much about how zero knowledge proof works; maybe I can look it up later to understand better < 1385965189 333989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZKP that I know a 3-coloring of some graph we both have: i write down colors for every vertex on slips of paper and put them face down on the table. you pick an edge. i reveal those slips and burn the rest. you see that they name different colors < 1385965227 757057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we repeat this until you're convinced i'm not just lucky. but i randomly permute the 3 colors between rounds so that you can't assemble an overall coloring < 1385965254 938417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for an electronic version, replace slips of paper with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commitment_scheme < 1385965260 409176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK. Yes I have read about that (but I think not in a book though) < 1385965282 912902 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty amusing to imagine this actually being done with slips of paper < 1385965288 529994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "commitment scheme" would be a good name for a lisp dialect < 1385965289 260315 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :between outlaws in the wild west, perhaps < 1385965299 355905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is similar to "encrypt them and then reveal some keys" but actual encryption schemes don't have all the desired technical properties < 1385965302 135184 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :refusing to reveal the knowledge of where the treasure is < 1385965315 479438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be awesome Bike < 1385965330 239100 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write this story < 1385965425 837461 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be easier to plot if it was a hamiltonian cycle or something instead < 1385965436 49170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about negative-knowledge proofs < 1385965446 45791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you end up being more confused than when you started < 1385965450 542313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TA's lament < 1385965458 996958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also student's lament I guess < 1385965511 199312 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure that is bike's lament < 1385965561 509834 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :traditional ZKPs are all interactive like that, but there are non-interactive variants < 1385965574 248944 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, i didn't know hamilton tried to make 3ions for path finding < 1385965587 744974 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i forgot that it's the same hamilton as quaternions < 1385965597 572878 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I hash the problem description and use the bits of the hash output as your random choices < 1385965598 5534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a good non-interactive zkp < 1385965610 623188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1385965620 252140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and provide enough answers that it's implausible I brute-force tweaked the problem description to get favorable coin flips < 1385965637 539342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand all the subtleties of how to make this work properly < 1385965643 186122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where can i read about that < 1385965657 454338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zerocoin uses non-interactive ZKPs, committment schemes, *and* one-way accumulators to build true anonymity into the bitcoin block chain < 1385965660 383030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. cool stuff < 1385965669 92641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't know but "non-interactive zero-knowledge proof" should be a decent search term < 1385965673 66568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet the zerocoin paper has citations too < 1385965674 955957 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously snoop is on the wrong boat < 1385965716 875933 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think anonymously buying an album with complementary weed from snoop with zerocoin would be the most cyberpunk thing i could do in my lifetime < 1385965828 793867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that music thing that sometimes is played at the end of some old films < 1385966519 225356 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a 6502 code, is asl a asl a asl a php php ror a plp ror a plp ror a a proper way to sign-extend a number? < 1385966576 551743 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/ZgXds9B.png < 1385966613 325517 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ah. I guess it's supposed to various. Unnecessary but kinda makes sense." < 1385966623 852585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anti-various protection < 1385966634 736095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"anti-various pro" yes that < 1385967409 182772 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net NICK :AntiVariousPro < 1385967478 520100 :AntiVariousPro!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net NICK :AntiVariousProte < 1385967480 829046 :AntiVariousProte!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1385967844 483936 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any computers (or VMs) other than VAX that have an "increment immediate" instruction? < 1385967970 499727 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that do? < 1385968034 350919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Increments the instruction operand itself rather than whatever it points to < 1385968101 931305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course it won't work if the instructions are stored in ROM, but if that address is also mapped to bankswitching or something else, then it would affect that too) < 1385968325 525704 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1385968376 358947 :redpine!~user@c-69-244-218-76.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385968413 317929 :redpine!~user@c-69-244-218-76.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1385969189 902199 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@1001591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385969294 816616 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385970622 910801 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@1001591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1385970746 42527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah you can also do __attribute__((noreturn)) void finish(int retval) { ... < 1385970808 498104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like 'static' or whatever... you can do void static f(...) as well < 1385970808 729128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit less terrible < 1385970821 809484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1385971233 782677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know any cheat code for Pokemon Card GB2 to cause it to always use six side cards instead of four? < 1385971372 262970 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@591591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385971419 810973 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1385971579 380387 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@591591080.ipsat.francetelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1385971620 734524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: one interesting property of ZKPs is that if you watch a recording of me convincing zzo38 i can 3-color this graph, you are still not convinced at all < 1385971624 629671 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we might have colluded < 1385971650 705852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a weird sort of "knowledge" which can't be transferred < 1385971653 382134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but non-interactive ZKPs do not have this property clearly < 1385971685 793723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I noticed that just a minute ago when I looked on Wikipedia, it says something like that too. < 1385971813 359448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i didn't know that ZKPs came from the same paper which introduced the IP complexity class hierarchy < 1385972302 107991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: can zzo38 convince me that the ZKP was convincing without actually knowing your secret < 1385972636 638863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1385972659 530370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he can do something like a n-i ZKP but not reveal to me that this is where the bits came from < 1385972662 487855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then reveal it to you later < 1385972673 566179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1385972710 865938 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use the hash of today's jerkcity strip or w/e < 1385973038 787291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any variant of zero-knowledge proof which is involving quantum entanglement? < 1385973145 456966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you see http://blog.sigfpe.com/2013/10/distributed-computing-with-alien.html < 1385973359 211575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1385973381 816869 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the conjecture is true it means that nature looks a bit like a conspiracy to keep computer scientists in work." yes i've wondered that < 1385973463 448960 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :full employment theorem, mexican hat functionn, < 1385973464 599447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the anthropic principle applies and all the universes where computer stuff is easy have already been tiled with smiley faces < 1385973713 520291 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should query fungot for input on the topic < 1385973713 878735 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: wrong channel to let that go.), but that was the great thing about perl is what i've done so. the dynamic analyses assume an open world, and i'll be pretty happy with araneida ( in cl parlance)? so i can just use this and skip the actual installation < 1385974045 73411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385974115 758710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style illuminatus < 1385974116 15556 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1385974167 46813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i like smiley faces < 1385974753 249282 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺ < 1385974779 150994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e 'print "☺" x 1024' < 1385974782 764907 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺ < 1385974785 942131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gj < 1385974795 268637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :😍 < 1385974801 898664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm did that render for you < 1385974804 728110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin | paste < 1385974807 320690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no (screen?) < 1385974812 313426 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.27992 < 1385974818 808765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a non-bmp character < 1385974824 413364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not showing up in tmux either :'( < 1385974834 517118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's U+1F60D SMILING CAT FACE WITH HEART-SHAPED EYES < 1385974854 986109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no < 1385974866 41707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a SMILING FACE WITH HEART-SHAPED EYES < 1385974867 881830 :oklopol_!~oklopol@201-246-117-92.baf.movistar.cl JOIN :#esoteric < 1385974869 558116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was cheated out of a cat! < 1385974874 850761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :😻 < 1385974878 592998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's showing up in the logs < 1385974923 678695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '#!/usr/bin/perl -e' > bin/perl-e && chmod +x bin/perl-e < 1385974927 149041 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385974947 82421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e print "Vanilla milkshakes from Hard Rock cafes\n" < 1385974948 560448 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bareword found where operator expected at -e line 1, near "/hackenv/bin" \ (Missing operator before bin?) \ syntax error at -e line 1, near "/hackenv/bin" \ Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors. < 1385974951 546804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckers < 1385974968 703692 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which perl < 1385974970 195665 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/perl < 1385975016 872431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '#!/bin/bash\n\nperl -e "$@"\n' > bin/perl-e && chmod +x bin/perl-e < 1385975020 533856 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385975034 82275 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e "Enlarged by nature to show true texture.\n" < 1385975035 543074 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1385975039 69186 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e print "Enlarged by nature to show true texture.\n" < 1385975040 400416 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enlarged by nature to show true texture. < 1385975054 960489 :oklopol!~oklopol@201-246-120-79.baf.movistar.cl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385975185 230294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e print "It's the devil's way now. You have not been " . "paying attention " x 8 < 1385975186 785031 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the devil's way now. You have not been paying attention paying attention paying attention paying attention paying attention paying attention paying attention paying attention < 1385975277 502593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: go and tell the king that the sky is falling in when it's not < 1385975277 854199 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: how so? it's not just thin syntactic sugar whereby multi could expand to ( atan z) be expanded to ( if let ( begin ( while ( vi pivot)) to ( begin ( blah...) < 1385975345 912053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_: are you in chile? < 1385975803 909239 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sky is expanding to (atan z)! < 1385976244 904679 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Quit: Changing server < 1385976645 823633 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a grammar, a string, a corresponding AST, and a change in the string (insertion/removal), and want to augment the AST by applying the change to it.. does that problem have a name? < 1385976688 537229 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :'stuck writing Eclipse' seems like a problem to me < 1385976716 470647 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1385977594 680960 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: http://codepad.org/98Q1bM4w < 1385977788 894074 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out the middle cell becomes 10 < 1385978010 361658 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1385978199 889752 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Distortion does not cause other distortion now) < 1385978278 128596 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So one has to take distortion only into account when comparing cell values < 1385978595 237747 :dwildman!~testingap@cpe-76-184-26-203.tx.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385978604 998690 :dwildman!~testingap@cpe-76-184-26-203.tx.res.rr.com PART :#esoteric < 1385978917 322919 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 < 1385979202 451542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't you love that a file with the name is actually something super specific "for GDB and GDB only... Don't use it for anything other than GDB" < 1385979302 394398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lie, right? < 1385979311 881338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which < 1385979321 527902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"for GDB and GDB only" < 1385979337 236736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You more or less have to use this file for ptrace. < 1385979523 564506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1385979550 505372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or you can use if you want to get them one at a time with PTRACE_PEEKUSER, but I think that's not supported on all architectures either) < 1385979555 740112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again, maybe using ptrace coutns as "you know what you are doing" < 1385979560 802491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so yes < 1385979566 888891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that's why i go out of my way to use ptrace" < 1385979576 112897 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there's also a polite fiction that only gdb needs to use ptrace < 1385979590 975721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, ptrace(2) specifically mentions sys/user.h < 1385979592 863791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was n years ago when that comment was written < 1385979602 784627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about strace (the best program) < 1385979615 954188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder where I read to use reg.h < 1385979622 709185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if strace is so great why isn't it ltrace or lltrace < 1385979629 664512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or.... dtrace < 1385979642 857942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that program i never got around to writing to trace mmap accesses < 1385979650 312677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i meant latrace not lltrace < 1385979667 879610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't it ☺trace < 1385979670 642939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have had the misfortune to need xtrace as well < 1385979691 754736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've either needed xtrace or not needed it and used it anyway < 1385979694 238583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure which < 1385979708 858498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never used latrace (or heard of it) and i've barely used dtrace < 1385979740 776401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :latrace is like ltrace but it uses LD_AUDIT to do its thing < 1385979761 411498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LD_AUDIT is one of those features obscure enough that the first google hit is "GNU glibc Dynamic Linker 'LD_AUDIT' Local Privilege Escalation" < 1385979775 916565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's useful for things other than writing exploits < 1385979838 812356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo write a combined {syscall,ray} tracer < 1385980578 584296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgtm < 1385980597 888490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will VISUALIZE the inside of the kernel < 1385981492 385680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/BUQd best model? < 1385981978 254631 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385982143 922263 :AntiVariousProte!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1385983555 909995 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385984277 270545 :Hi!54f84b66@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.248.75.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385984301 182647 :Hi!54f84b66@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.248.75.102 NICK :Guest10636 < 1385984547 278702 :Guest10636!54f84b66@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.248.75.102 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1385984891 972822 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385985460 195577 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385985467 697932 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wwuwkojjauqfqddo QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385985471 891758 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1385985472 275523 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385985492 307126 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1385985492 535915 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1385985497 424932 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1385986230 476441 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ywmxxztdnhwjmkgy JOIN :#esoteric < 1385986392 518836 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is that popular language which is strong and static typed in a hideous way < 1385986423 711522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :java? < 1385986428 675859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ada? < 1385986538 969574 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One that I can say "If you're coming from ___ you may thing that strong, static typing in Haskell is scary" < 1385986546 781253 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ugly or whatever < 1385986772 664258 :AwfulProgrammer!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-isconwwrahjwetsj QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385986791 788601 :AwfulProgrammer!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qjpmniieiljzsils JOIN :#esoteric < 1385987081 818767 :oklopol_!~oklopol@201-246-117-92.baf.movistar.cl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1385987584 772486 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1385990776 664911 :Taneb!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1385991079 527934 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1385991593 677347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385993110 963296 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385993125 484450 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385993307 533016 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good what-happened-to-the-/topic morning! < 1385993448 935195 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:29:40 i always thought of scheme as mostly functional < 1385993449 164786 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:30:00 it has begin. < 1385993554 449298 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes no sense. perhaps after this kernel upgrade, I'll receive enlightenment. < 1385993557 79066 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: POULET! < 1385993664 346368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Verity has begin (in the Algol sense) < 1385993680 219718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it counts as functional or not, but not for that reason < 1385993698 788425 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1385993732 419705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Volume: PP, Issue: 99" I don't think these values are quite final. < 1385993738 321348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: try putting quotes around "begin", does it make more sense then? < 1385993773 246270 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ooooooh. < 1385994646 987123 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1385995372 844625 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385996407 189955 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385996476 457388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1385996898 178335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1385997239 663280 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1385997265 740567 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1385997509 748864 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1385998803 443082 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1385999044 201941 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1385999223 967397 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 0.1 g -> dr < 1385999231 963653 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.056438339119328660665 < 1385999239 432472 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 0.1 g -> gr < 1385999246 670512 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.5432358352941430651 < 1385999491 471401 :nooodl!~nooodl@74.190-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1386000117 321640 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“lens continues its plans for world-domination…” ← http://ocharles.org.uk/blog/posts/2013-12-01-24-days-of-hackage-intro.html < 1386000312 742323 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1386000341 458730 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1386000682 408389 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has lens grown sentinent yet? < 1386000691 359599 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1386001255 902288 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1386001393 986447 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: only once every possible operator will be covered. < 1386001398 108937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : [...] does that problem have a name? <-- incremental parsing? < 1386001637 147430 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's what I tried looking for initially, but I mostly found stuff using "incremental" to mean "you feed input to the parser continuously" instead < 1386001639 456989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly the term seems not to be used consistently. < 1386001652 45808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i notice that haskell package < 1386001666 518064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the yi link clearly talks about the kind you want. < 1386001728 980363 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yi link? < 1386001767 932940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yi-editor.blogspot.no/2008/11/incremental-parsing-in-yi.html < 1386001802 190742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be _so_ nice if google let you copy links from its search page without revisiting them. < 1386001802 461661 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hm < 1386001858 458814 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1386001858 943674 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to be precisely what I want, yes < 1386001886 279550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1386002494 16304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Slow lorises reproduce slowly" -- wikipedia < 1386002573 66200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1386002587 640969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do cheetahs do? < 1386002591 57435 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :next they will tell you that blue skies are blue < 1386002749 228016 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1386002753 651402 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, wrong window. < 1386002755 761475 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carry on. < 1386002889 231242 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: I count 1/4/3. that makes a lousy haiku. you should try again. < 1386002995 571557 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sol lories < 1386002999 573978 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1386003009 443325 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Febentanasia < 1386003054 430328 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: slorises don't though < 1386003063 702056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Halite[tablet] saying he has delirium from fever < 1386003080 19099 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all that halite in his system < 1386003089 434967 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck febentanasia < 1386003100 576501 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs < 1386003102 84318 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1386003115 901355 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Febenebenebenebenebenebdbennebebebebebebbebnrtanassssssiiaiaaaaaa < 1386003119 487878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, you infected metasepia! < 1386003150 639190 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he did, the vile scallywag that he is. I can't make it reconnect anymore now. < 1386003163 759684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ic what you did there. < 1386003164 949105 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glares at Halite[tablet] “the Wrath of the Krakenoïd Bod will be Terrible!” < 1386003172 16968 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Bod/Bot/ < 1386003186 924245 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1386003191 381964 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Build it in Fenentanasia < 1386003199 577322 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I mean, Haskell < 1386003200 329943 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a Krakenoid bod... < 1386003229 93099 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swings his usual, standardised maple bat over at Halite[tablet] *SCHMWHACK* < 1386003256 563931 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlogs maple < 1386003258 68249 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pastlogs: not found < 1386003263 247764 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog maple < 1386003264 741379 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Febrndnasoa, hertrmasia gens sips meeeesus geesun schmesian whesiak < 1386003278 274407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 10 < 1386003283 827518 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jkfficia congonop diaphing 201310 cytoian ication xirn samg gosemple affendative < 1386003291 848097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, no difference < 1386003294 536315 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1386003304 610736 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog maple < 1386003333 459140 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.15093 < 1386003381 147319 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pegendenasia olfolonsia 73, derisia mazenipooian jxjjchdhcdks do sk jci kid md me KFC kv... Zzzzzzzz < 1386003455 244560 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halite[tablet]: we already have one HackEgo instance in here, we don't need another < 1386003456 26816 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1386003569 376799 :Halite[tablet]!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvxhowjbovswjgem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meow < 1386003621 483254 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good noily < 1386003806 583819 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0/2013102400] < 1386003890 153224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : good what-happened-to-the-/topic morning! <-- it's a new begunning! < 1386003919 446986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1386003989 34157 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1386004549 45964 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1386004556 201090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Etc. < 1386004603 773354 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :begin, began, begun, be gone! < 1386004696 2326 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm still here < 1386005046 442969 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1386005178 125465 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu NICK :augur___________ < 1386005203 486670 :augur___________!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu NICK :augurrrrrrrrrrrr < 1386005205 947951 :augurrrrrrrrrrrr!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu NICK :augur < 1386005403 494695 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1386005525 617666 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1386006075 581200 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1386006540 436020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1386006797 254598 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good quinfternoopia. < 1386006969 401984 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooooooow's it goin? < 1386007285 726396 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1386007337 29521 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spent the weekend in Québec City. eating shrimp crackers. not enough caffeine in my body. Taneb just joined. and I can finally print! (apparently, an old and forgotten misconfiguration attempt screwed up avahi and cups.) < 1386007373 169032 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1386007385 685193 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are shrimp crackers like prawn crackers? < 1386007455 971116 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that time when you get a shiny new 1TB HDD and the estimated time remaining for all your crap to copy is 2 days < 1386007504 382479 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i need to eat something < 1386007514 662285 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eats quintopia a potato < 1386007548 505329 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ^v < 1386007574 967505 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expected a ReLcOmE < 1386007594 863753 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, every other time ive been here i got one < 1386007601 949159 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: they were out of the usual stuff when I had a sudden urge to buy some, so I had to resign myself over shrimp crackers. < 1386007626 320008 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they are of a generic French fries shape, and taste like shrimp, and are of the crunchy persuasion, so all is not lost.) < 1386007637 736057 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ReLcOmE ^v < 1386007641 165791 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02^v: 06WeLcOmE 13To 04tHe 07iNtErNaTiOnAl 08hUb 09fOr 02eSoTeRiC 06PrOgRaMmInG 13LaNgUaGe 04dEsIgN 07AnD 08DePlOyMeNt! 09FoR 02MoRe 06iNfOrMaTiOn, 13ChEcK 04OuT 07OuR 08WiKi: 09. 02(fOr 06tHe 13oThEr 04kInD 07Of 08eSoTeRiCa, 09TrY 02#eSoTeRiC 06On 13iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1386007652 878534 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that exists? < 1386007656 47458 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1386007660 314655 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm as surprised as you. < 1386007664 431977 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only thought there was relcome and WeLcOmE < 1386007666 964802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: but i never got one, so it's unfair for you to get so many < 1386007682 655154 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`UnRelCoMe quintopia < 1386007683 664452 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: remember, this is the Land of the Chimæric Relcomes! < 1386007684 151573 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: UnRelCoMe: not found < 1386007705 145312 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders if he can mail a potato through to USPS... < 1386007734 907201 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what's going down for christmas? < 1386007740 738965 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can count on windows to fail at symbolic links < 1386007800 317927 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/ReLcOmE < 1386007801 450606 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeLcOmE "$*" | rainwords < 1386007806 976138 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally < 1386007813 360881 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/WeLcOmE < 1386007814 595272 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ welcome "$@" | CaT < 1386007826 283937 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/CaT < 1386007827 775848 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys \ sys.stdout.write ((lambda s: "".join([(s[i].upper() if i%2==0 else s[i].lower()) for i in range(len(s)) ]))(open("/dev/stdin").read())) < 1386007837 602875 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww python < 1386007871 999728 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :python is the most bestest PL evaaaaaaaaaar! < 1386007893 118325 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1386007904 57322 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the flow of the Fleuve St-Laurent. I'm disappearing in a land far, far away, where the Family Resides and the Food is Plenty. < 1386007927 985112 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: sounds wonderful < 1386007935 960194 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: to be so far from your parents i mean < 1386007984 331157 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only live about 250 km away from where they live, and I spend the weekend there once about every 2~3 weeks. < 1386008030 681754 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ^.^ < 1386008032 3326 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ^.^: command not found < 1386008038 678029 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's far enough i think < 1386008056 342942 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than an hour away is usually sufficient < 1386008057 615951 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I could have moved to Toronto. that would have been far. < 1386008059 196837 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s /bin/cat /bin/^.^ < 1386008060 642328 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: creating symbolic link `/bin/^.^': Read-only file system < 1386008067 124512 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there, or Ottawa. the horror!) < 1386008072 827550 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, but makes sense :) < 1386008092 259156 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you can move here. i don't care. what do you do again? < 1386008125 740321 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '#!/bin/sh\ncat $@' >bin/^.^ < 1386008129 485492 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1386008143 386533 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: free software consultant :D < 1386008150 276078 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod 0755 bin/^.^ < 1386008153 975515 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1386008157 181033 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: independent? < 1386008162 831991 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the sense, it was made. < 1386008166 90691 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^.^ < 1386008172 993682 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ^.^ /bin/^.^ < 1386008174 429895 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /bin/^.^: No such file or directory < 1386008174 619899 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :owait < 1386008179 296885 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no, for http://www.savoirfairelinux.com// < 1386008182 31054 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ^.^ bin/^.^ < 1386008183 633963 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ cat $@ < 1386008193 533083 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I see my mistake. < 1386008208 688657 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. explains your hostname :P < 1386008221 678321 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`^.^ < 1386008252 695991 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1386008262 645071 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: shouldn't fungot have a .^ command? < 1386008262 847535 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's an irc client < 1386008279 412018 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1386008291 85420 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION backs away very, very slowly from the Sentient Fungot < 1386008332 932908 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/3b4TIP6.png < 1386008341 164730 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION claps for windows failing at symlinks < 1386008360 194396 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: how hard do you work in a given week < 1386008362 684042 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He hasn't answered to His Name. He has spotted me. I have to flee. even Canadia won't protect me anymore. < 1386008403 217357 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 37.5 hours. < 1386008418 752917 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's how much time. how hard? < 1386008472 164906 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you measure that? coffee pots per hour? < 1386008477 130281 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: eh... depends on the project. sometimes you have to sprint through urgent bugs and corrections when a Demonstration looms over, but usually it's pretty smooth. < 1386008528 866626 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: we don't need no measures. we've got _subjectivity_! < 1386008532 14635 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm not drinking no coffee anymore here. the thing that prepares coffee is... uhm. well. the coffee it produces is... < 1386008536 97551 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blertches < 1386008575 25033 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I have my own tea stash. it's much better, and during lunch we usually stop at one of the nearby cafés to grab an espresso. < 1386008619 870632 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: how are the chickens today < 1386008643 401271 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: frozen. < 1386008646 174776 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1386008646 654294 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 021800Z 05006KT 7SM FEW018 OVC090 M00/M02 A2995 RMK SC2AC6 SLP143 < 1386008651 74475 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. frozen. < 1386008737 613644 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and speaking of chicken, I have to do a pad thai, and some hot & sour soup, and 皮蛋瘦肉粥. < 1386008747 517784 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun < 1386008810 678385 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may be a little bit food obsessed... < 1386008972 126510 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm.. pad thai.. < 1386009323 948230 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1386009900 862478 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1386009942 705362 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: http://youtu.be/CeZlih4DDNg < 1386010175 274861 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I can't view YouTube at work :( Well. I _can_, but I shouldn't. < 1386010348 76362 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwah ah ah. be Tempted by the Video. abandon productivity! < 1386010477 895508 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ord \ < 1386010479 396728 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :92 < 1386010485 289864 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ord ` < 1386010486 898183 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :96 < 1386010551 685484 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is lambdabot's @src? < 1386010551 914599 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'd get this: fnord < 1386010580 758177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: what is fungot's @src? < 1386010580 947741 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: s/ even/ not fnord < 1386010653 851253 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1386010662 396036 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello Slereah < 1386010664 213739 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereahello < 1386010669 335119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's going on < 1386010669 547618 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but... you've got terminal socket. fnord". haven't got time to night though. i don't < 1386010688 71558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got terminal socket :'( < 1386010691 194171 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, fungot doesn't have time tonight. he doesn't. < 1386010691 422413 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: did you write the first two, then the window handle will be released?) not cope with unicode. < 1386010693 415597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how long do i have < 1386010693 641038 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i wonder if that was actually the one in my box. works like a charm :) < 1386010709 112214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: since when is fungot a "he" < 1386010709 361382 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i feel like i need something to take their experience into account. < 1386010728 250623 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I just alternate gender pronouns when referring to her < 1386010754 843450 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is too friendly to be called "it".. I can't bring myself to do it < 1386010755 69121 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: such as? i maintain my own proxy, and i was just about to say " an action producing something of this type < 1386010895 5210 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot is a her, I think. what is fungot's sexual identity? < 1386010895 209834 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: since sparc assembly is so unreadable. it basically just reads /dev/ misc/ fnord my homemade porn fnord think its nice:). < 1386010928 616457 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: your bot is dirty. most verily dirty. < 1386010947 841459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yo, dawg < 1386010948 32351 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's something like 4e) and fnord ( one less map)" at the start of the file < 1386010954 497889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yawg < 1386010954 795830 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the idea of clean fnord semantics, and occasionally do the equivalent of trick or treating though. in the end < 1386010959 729740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1386010959 919496 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1386010966 817457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style qwantz < 1386010967 7439 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: qwantz (Dinosaur Comics transcriptions 2003-2011) < 1386010975 802097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1386010976 330185 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't i know you from somewhere? but, i mean, a male, i can be one of those people are going to think you're a pedophile, and he's on a friggin' universe. and then there'll be a day shortly afterwards when we can simulate universe on our cell, because there'd have been no controversy. < 1386010989 763642 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you like Tom Waits? < 1386010989 953444 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: t-rex, i have big news the other! < 1386011000 781859 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1386011081 433462 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1386011235 877264 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1386013297 215078 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-48.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1386013472 704998 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does finding a longest path in a graph take about as long as finding the shortest one? < 1386013558 216313 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. no. it's np-hard. oops. < 1386013578 229957 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-48.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1386013589 110822 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but the question i got was a DAG which puts the time down to linear, baller < 1386014286 474351 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1386014625 433989 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1386015050 782384 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1386015114 484224 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1386015307 594256 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1386015429 588055 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroflex_clicks aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! < 1386015450 86397 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi boily < 1386015461 135412 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi quintopia < 1386015473 573953 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is fine here. I am not terrified by phonemes. I am sane. < 1386015495 768753 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just entered several hundred lines of XML. my brain hurts more than my fingers, strangely.) < 1386015498 177077 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1386015504 159792 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1386015506 975072 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1386015513 229450 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1386015513 418897 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :got any esolang ideas < 1386015528 377831 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1386015529 920618 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ask because i have more than i can record < 1386015540 385084 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1386015541 953844 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1386015544 847156 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want some < 1386015554 331088 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll describe them and let you take credit < 1386015585 818355 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything that can take my mind off XML is good. < 1386015631 512132 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this first idea is an xml-based language... < 1386015653 49940 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION oils and shines his mapole... < 1386015687 233992 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I have tea. tea is good. < 1386015701 694108 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and an endless playlist of touhou tunes on youtube.) < 1386015722 219516 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you are a touhou music fan < 1386015726 20650 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1386015865 29036 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the whole tlmc torrent since... uhm... 2007~8. proudly seeding ever since! < 1386015937 969321 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1386015953 435484 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1386015980 90310 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the French word of the day... «effeuilleuse», also known as “stripteaser”. < 1386016010 166459 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(their closing down the few remaining red light establishements in Montréal, and cleaning up the place. http://affaires.lapresse.ca/economie/immobilier/201312/02/01-4716773-un-immeuble-de-160-millions-au-coin-st-laurent-et-ste-catherine.php ) < 1386016028 92109 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s'eir'ey\'re' < 1386016069 395576 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1386016070 463733 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1386016113 415517 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does the Axiom of Regularity deal with sets like {1,2} < 1386016134 677834 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1386016141 928342 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have to? < 1386016155 634123 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that set only contains 1,2, not itself < 1386016185 333201 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, according to the Wikipedia page that is a result of Regularity, not the axiom itself < 1386016194 103917 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" every non-empty set A contains an element that is disjoint from A." < 1386016195 992925 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu NICK :b_jonas < 1386016248 260152 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: sure. the axiom of regularity is a rule for ruling out the existence of some sets, not for guaranteeing the existence of any set < 1386016255 522001 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :note first that {1,2} = {{{}},{{},{{}}}} < 1386016265 723517 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ooh, that's cunning < 1386016276 867375 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that helps a lot < 1386016280 92384 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Phantom_Hoover < 1386016281 327410 :HackEgo!dlopen@64.62.173.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Phantom_Hoover. Thantom_Hoover. < 1386016297 63501 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how that helped :P < 1386016305 874648 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, these touhou games have weird names < 1386016350 543304 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, like "touhou" :P < 1386016378 90559 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: does that word literally translate to "defoliator"? < 1386016383 134243 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it :D < 1386016419 149907 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is because people who like japanese things are somehow able to put up with ridiculously awkward translations < 1386016419 383086 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting strippers in the same category as agent orange=win < 1386016442 975649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, in the same sense that in english we have paint strippers < 1386016482 239658 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, cf. Problem Sleuth? < 1386016497 203846 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember but probably < 1386016545 331507 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: agent orange isn't really a paint stripper. the french version is more awesome. < 1386016553 856171 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no, it seems touhou is not the name of any game, but the collective name for loads of touhou games < 1386016558 396468 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(afaik they're all essentially the same game though) < 1386016573 29232 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=4&p=001183 < 1386016755 759611 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1386017055 244499 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, agent orange isn't orange, either. < 1386017134 422201 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither is mr orange, iirc < 1386017186 852763 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which i never got a very good answer for a symbol that reminds people of me < 1386017189 578861 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it does :D < 1386017197 535071 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(re. the sexy efoliating.) < 1386017207 273486 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what's a good noun to associate with me < 1386017232 41788 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.102.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1386017252 981639 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :package, because I still remember the creativity and reluctance of the wrapping I received :D < 1386017272 173478 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, I had to forcefully apply my pocket knife onto the various layers of tape.) < 1386017277 220482 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1386017282 733703 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a picture of the thing! < 1386017291 184091 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the picture, let me share you it. < 1386017296 279676 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: did you translate the back of the postcard? :D < 1386017306 47704 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1386017311 929254 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet. I'll have it translated tonight. < 1386017345 130363 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/2013-11-25%2017.47.53.jpg < 1386017385 899270 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw it got crushed in the mail < 1386017411 659564 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thing USPS retaped it. that's why I had some troubles with it. all the more satisfying to pry open! < 1386017425 487522 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it shouldn't have been hard to unwrap. just cut enough tape to separate the lid from the box < 1386017610 829085 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: did my ziplocks stay inflated? < 1386017683 129181 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a stereotypical giftbox with a mustache for a bow < 1386017772 924068 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1386017786 153936 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.70 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1386017860 208361 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oh, that's what the ziplocs were for! I was quite puzzled. < 1386017903 943515 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i take it that's a no. must have deflated at low pressure in the air < 1386017932 901902 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to keep things from sliding around and i had no bubble wrap. i didn't want the cookies to get crumby < 1386018296 711918 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1386019097 912324 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric