< 1387670964 434712 :rntz!~rntz@eos.sp.cs.cmu.edu NICK :rntz^2 < 1387671424 570422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had some dream (I think just yesterday/today) and I should put it into the computer today. First I am reading something else but then I will do, please. < 1387671444 717320 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please? < 1387671900 808748 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.187.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: always be polite < 1387671989 614786 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/dollar-tree-ceo-officially-unveils-longrumored-foi,32684/ do you get it < 1387672818 951407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know you can measure compound interest in hertz. But now I suppose I can understand it. < 1387672847 524278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe) < 1387672925 321260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes hth < 1387672941 429458 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1387673136 689535 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1387673568 51057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1387673957 558867 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Finally, a use for picohertz? < 1387674325 193108 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :**** quantum computing < 1387674750 502948 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1387674774 733714 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387674833 959833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, I suppose that would be a use for it, then < 1387674848 624069 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, can you represent compound interest as hertz? < 1387674853 546029 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you would run into issues < 1387674887 997479 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because 1% every one unit of time is not the same as 10% every ten units of time is not the same as 100% every hundred units of time < 1387675437 909218 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think exponentials may have to be involved somewhere, which, for a unit, is most odd < 1387675504 579354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about coexponentials < 1387675514 782134 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :... logarithms? < 1387675676 182800 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's log $ / s < 1387675741 405052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :logarithm-dollars per second? < 1387675751 996155 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1387675757 7066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway coexponentials are left adjoint to coproducts or something?? < 1387675761 12727 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the unit of compound interest < 1387675879 210609 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think € is closer to an SI currency < 1387676007 983342 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387676060 266095 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unit euro is stored in a french vault < 1387676130 259672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes I am actually also unsure, for the same reasons as you, too < 1387676177 488360 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely the SI euro should be standardized as a constant of nature, such as the daily expenditure of a physics grad student < 1387676242 988977 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps the marginal cost of a strange quark. < 1387676256 23473 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pin it to the big mac and call it good < 1387676311 134939 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the real question is, what's the planck unit of money? < 1387676344 866060 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the smallest seriously used unit of money i've seen was the average cost of a semiconductor < 1387676353 586753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how come https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finite_presentation and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finitely_presented don't redirect to the same page < 1387676372 935747 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but that's not Planck units. :) < 1387676392 945684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: imo the former is v. obviously biased and should probably be more like the latter < 1387676556 2340 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, what is the average price of a semiconductor? < 1387676626 255988 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a trillionth of a cent, or something like that < 1387676699 801744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: plz answer in dogecoins thx < 1387676735 171852 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, about 1 DOGE. < 1387676765 153029 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, another channel is asking what do you mean by "a" semiconductor < 1387676786 144031 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guess "a transistor". < 1387676787 740850 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387676809 942553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: imo they can ask Bike directly if they care so much < 1387676968 32806 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1387677057 32289 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387677180 988450 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant a transistor, yes < 1387677183 700839 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :words are hard < 1387677242 905081 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 'semiconductor' sounds cooler than 'transitor' even though just a stupid lump of silicon ore is semiconductive < 1387677291 107834 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't... silicon ore most rocks? < 1387677334 858287 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1387677345 486774 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :If time is money, then compound interest is log s/s < 1387677348 530622 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure industrial silicon is extracted from silica < 1387677387 800217 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it is < 1387677394 262897 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :So compound interest is the logarithm of time to the timeth root < 1387677395 200758 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway most rocks aren't silica < 1387677414 579037 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way they get wafers is really cool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czochralski_process < 1387677442 238254 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, Hexham's in sandstone country < 1387677468 815105 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If time is money, then BTC provides a means of converting electricity into time. < 1387677502 584557 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also convert electricity to money by, uh... selling it to people < 1387677560 379622 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or by electrolisis of, uh... solutions containing gold? < 1387677582 757158 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, solutions containing € < 1387677699 914199 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :a solid solution between £ and $ < 1387677737 691029 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of want to make a fully mechanical bitcoin miner now < 1387677782 739780 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I ought to sleep < 1387677801 999225 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if our universe is just the proof-of-work for someone's cryptocurrency < 1387677864 525397 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i shall make fun of god on internet forums. < 1387678018 228217 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1387679123 836282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is various format tags for .MOD format; there is "M.K." which does not stand for Mahoney & Kaktus, but one tag used only once is "M&K!"; does that one stand for Mahoney & Kaktus, maybe? < 1387679373 116429 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1387680926 807456 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1387681034 990486 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vageuly plans on buying some bitcoins
< 1387681139 527235 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh for god's sake < 1387681142 151507 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1387681148 330793 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the fuck would you do that < 1387681265 769117 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst that could happen is I lose some money, right? < 1387681281 374085 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but... argh < 1387681294 266902 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider how many purchases you could justify with that. < 1387681302 628169 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :particularly, any purchase < 1387681305 310352 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :look if you want to speculate you are far better off learning about investment in general rather than following this one specific fad < 1387681347 382340 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have noticed myself buying stuff more often when I'd usually try to make do with free alternatives < 1387681364 451333 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the documentation for .MOD format seems pretty bad. Some documents say the Fxx effect sets the speed for the next line, although OpenMPT affects it on the current line. < 1387681377 274204 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: don < 1387681388 154360 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't different players render .mods differnetly sometimes? < 1387681402 847798 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Phantom__Hoover wants some bitcoins for christmas < 1387681415 37199 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you want to give me free money i'm game < 1387681431 517859 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i even had a wallet, i wonder if it has anything in it < 1387681531 114858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: That may be true in some cases (as far as I know, most players don't emulate the Amiga hardware filter) < 1387681550 377935 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1387681643 33796 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1387681661 303822 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1387681716 978400 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1387682794 349023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I wrote about the dreams now < 1387682810 415028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me if you have anything in your dream to add to the report, too. < 1387684096 939113 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1387684172 443186 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-238.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1387685283 499659 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.187.101 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1387686739 6615 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387686745 284273 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody home? < 1387686753 293113 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1387686774 455357 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not familiar with IRCs. < 1387686779 353435 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is strictly for esolang? < 1387686780 250706 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome! < 1387686788 8643 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, this channel is Esolang's. < 1387686797 75524 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: use the welcome msg < 1387686802 809144 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Edward___ < 1387686804 572156 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't backtick < 1387686804 776450 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, I have a few questions, could I ask you? < 1387686805 606771 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1387686813 543802 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1387686822 410263 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: sure, ask away. < 1387686828 756923 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(offtopic, but most messages here are off-topic) http://www.nytimes.com/1998/12/12/nyregion/slogan-causes-pencil-recall.html < 1387686856 711098 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned brainfuck about a year ago < 1387686863 837199 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do drugs" < 1387686866 526828 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :smart advice. < 1387686868 5235 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I'm learning C, in order to work on my eventual undergraduate thesis < 1387686881 155146 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which involves creating a language. < 1387686893 308774 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sweet! C is awesome. < 1387686907 978815 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for a potential creator of a language... What's some broad advice you can give me? < 1387686914 825293 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep it consistent. < 1387686915 408104 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :linearinterpol: Was that sarcasm? :-P < 1387686920 286988 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't fuck it up < 1387686927 239666 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: about C or the drugs. < 1387686929 851416 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because both aren't. < 1387686930 650952 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1387686943 209704 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks! I consider myself conversational with Python, and fluent in Java ;) < 1387686945 974075 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: have you taken a class in programming language design? < 1387686948 643202 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So C is a whole new beast. < 1387686959 831929 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the cool thing about undergraduate theses is that nobody will care after you're done, so don't sweat it < 1387686962 416732 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I have yet to. < 1387686977 665137 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my goal is to hope somebody cares, I want my PhD :) < 1387686978 618836 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: the key to designing a language is consistency. whatever symantics or syntax you give it, make sure it adheres to a strict set of guidelines. < 1387686998 431107 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1387687002 479087 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :design it in small chunks. < 1387687005 649263 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust me, the only master's thesis anyone's cared about in the last two hundred years is shannon's, and you ain't him < 1387687011 611191 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: that would probably help. it forces you to become familiar with all the various paradigms, and the goals that are typically aimed at by language designers < 1387687012 157619 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: +10. < 1387687016 820781 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shannon's? Who is shannon? < 1387687024 136631 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :claude shannon, look 'im up, cool guy < 1387687043 938825 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, I'd love to. < 1387687046 890534 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks! < 1387687053 884880 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically what i'm saying is, do take it seriously since presumably this has consequences, but don't worry too much about designing something that has to last < 1387687054 73483 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I've learned a bit about paradigms. < 1387687072 889510 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I got what you were saying :) < 1387687080 799509 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: how many paradigms have you written working code in? < 1387687086 418489 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for the advice nonetheless. < 1387687094 436736 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm.... < 1387687113 527561 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say 4 < 1387687135 371760 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 mains and 1.. extra? < 1387687149 216121 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, 3 mains and I looked at automata based < 1387687152 395235 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's pretty easy to learn programming languages since you already know some. learn some that are far from what you know, like haskell or scheme (SICP is free and semi-about language interpreters) < 1387687160 645500 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I'll be in the "Theoretical" focus for my major < 1387687162 970173 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just both < 1387687169 232508 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: the three main being imperative, functional, logical? < 1387687169 502536 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SICP is nice yet intimidating. < 1387687180 18879 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: correct. < 1387687180 375005 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well shit, I find C completely different from Java and Python hahaha < 1387687191 335794 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is < 1387687192 970982 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: get used to dealing with the "procedural" paradigm. < 1387687199 750907 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and manually managing memory. < 1387687200 573431 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are other completely different ones, see. lots of directions. < 1387687202 882595 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, imperative, functional, logical, and automata. < 1387687222 848109 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like manually managing memory, because if I were to create a really indepth language, I should be good at that, yeah? < 1387687228 678371 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know automata personally i think writing a quick NFA regex engine is a nice way to learn something < 1387687231 115190 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct! < 1387687232 462349 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like you. < 1387687242 688200 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks! :) < 1387687247 516262 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like me too, and I like your help. < 1387687247 972587 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should hang out and discuss memory management schemes. < 1387687250 324563 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: i'd say it depends on what you're doing... < 1387687261 994720 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like better languages which don't require such memory management :D < 1387687263 463362 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well the thing is, I wouldn't have much to say about memory management schemes... < 1387687266 195676 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want to lecture. < 1387687268 528214 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: “trypꙮphobia”. hth < 1387687269 545755 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so write one like that < 1387687271 660951 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :loll. < 1387687279 647258 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't be the first time I've lectured. < 1387687288 913039 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :last one I gave was non-determinism on deterministic platforms. < 1387687289 101198 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory management is hard, but cool. obviously pretty hard to do well, what else is new < 1387687290 746592 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I'd love to listen. < 1387687305 884257 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or apparent deterministic platforms. < 1387687316 590779 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a snorefest. < 1387687324 796949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: help < 1387687327 845231 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'd love to. I'd like to take care of memory management in my language (myself as opposed to letting another language do it) so that the user doesn't have to < 1387687337 211572 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... < 1387687338 660046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is context < 1387687341 4602 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: a word of advice. < 1387687341 192844 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me read up on that < 1387687349 868936 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :very small word of advice. < 1387687351 567108 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :start small. < 1387687356 231059 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do a google image search (or just a google non-image search if you’re squeamish). < 1387687361 895403 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use a language that has automatic memory management to implement your language and then neither of you would have to care. < 1387687379 51322 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, just saying it's an option. < 1387687382 428741 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not caring, it's perfectionism haha :) < 1387687383 661709 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a language that has context-independent instructions like brainfuck does. < 1387687393 499847 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to show that I can do it, for the purpose of getting attention ;) < 1387687403 644617 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man. < 1387687407 550553 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would I begin writing said language? < 1387687413 642438 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: Design it. < 1387687417 667836 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally. < 1387687421 911082 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1387687429 589510 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: take a look at http://www.ravenbrook.com/project/mps/ < 1387687433 580377 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now probably floating around in your head you have tons of ideas. < 1387687441 444884 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet always keep in mind: everything reduces to symbols. < 1387687453 537282 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does 4 reduce to a symbol < 1387687459 74544 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 is a symbol. < 1387687477 139244 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. < 1387687479 471344 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never seen it sym < 1387687485 168991 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: here's some ideas you should be familiar with and consider: pure object orientation (smalltalk), contracts (eiffel), orthogonality (algol), minimizing initial learning curve (PHP and others), garbage collection algorithms (mark-and-sweep in particular), pure recursion/tail recursion (lambda calculus, combinator languages) < 1387687487 323868 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have lots of ideas hahaha < 1387687499 916678 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"4 is a symbol. so..." hahahaha < 1387687524 224073 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read about garbage collection algorithms, so I'm familiar with a small aspect < 1387687534 10614 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :effectively the simplest "language" is an alphabet with a bunch of rules applied to it. < 1387687540 76911 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, I've also learned lambda calculus and some other related theory < 1387687544 643825 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is a book on garbage collection http://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/people/staff/rej/gc.html#Book < 1387687553 488204 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned automata earlier for the following reason... < 1387687553 922950 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I mean. < 1387687557 86768 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can start with that. < 1387687582 209078 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I am in that "theoretical" subfocus, I'll be doing a lot of boolean algebra, discrete math, numerical analysis, etc... < 1387687595 912850 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and automata are a big working point. Anyway... < 1387687600 621542 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tcs is great. hope you can hack it better than me. < 1387687616 943525 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks! I'll check it out. < 1387687623 960269 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :automata theory is fun. < 1387687635 30709 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've learned a lot about language design just from little side-notes in books about the theoretical stuff. < 1387687642 123601 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little* < 1387687643 700344 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: a small word of advice. if you want a phd in tcs, don't just be satisfied with discrete math. take every math class you can fit into your schedule, whether it seems useful or not. < 1387687656 779538 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i regret not doing that < 1387687659 258784 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am, I will be taking calc 3 next semester. < 1387687663 137641 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is your undergraduate thesis have some kind of criteria to it or is it just "show me a language implementation fucker" < 1387687664 592606 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the following another math < 1387687667 940513 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your* < 1387687677 326290 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's the thing, I'm actually working ahead. < 1387687678 939515 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by like... < 1387687680 652751 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 years. < 1387687685 773846 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'd like to think that the criteria was worded exactly like that. < 1387687698 184002 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I want to have an idea, and honestly, I'd just like to learn. < 1387687718 465468 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: did you get a phd in tcs? < 1387687733 402312 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: no i couldn't hack it. quit with a masters < 1387687741 871465 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, gotcha. < 1387687751 165227 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's nice to hear.... haha < 1387687751 390620 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1387687754 943811 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :calc three is vectors right < 1387687756 532283 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun stuff < 1387687761 929863 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, multivariate. < 1387687762 118208 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin america < 1387687764 219928 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck vectors. < 1387687769 521492 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it! < 1387687770 20290 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck your magnitudes. < 1387687772 112366 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has like nothing to do with computer science but it rules < 1387687779 829654 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :calc three for cs was fun. but i hear actual calc 3 was very different < 1387687786 188398 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only need a direction. MY MAGNITUDE IS INFINITE. < 1387687793 319968 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my school doesn't have a calc 3 for cs... < 1387687799 753872 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame... < 1387687801 594988 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: but you have no direction. heisenberg you know < 1387687810 653756 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :calc 3 for CS means calc 3 dumbed down, fuck that < 1387687811 625920 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm uncertain. < 1387687820 761490 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like those 'math for biologists' courses that are uniformly shitty < 1387687829 441226 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, probably. < 1387687829 629493 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1387687831 11726 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: not dumbed at all. just different focus. < 1387687832 220566 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there's a math for biologists? < 1387687833 526419 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit. < 1387687833 718632 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bio minor < 1387687844 469510 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: sometimes. < 1387687853 878327 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just finished my first semester of bio...bio 2107 < 1387687855 78448 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one cell plus one cell equals.. < 1387687855 515457 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke of course is that biologists are scared of math < 1387687856 402097 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :got an A :) < 1387687859 367779 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...FACK < 1387687875 819085 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Owen White: "Math is to physics as CS is to biology." < 1387687877 12406 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays everybody has to know python to treat data or w/e < 1387687883 661749 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha what the fuck? < 1387687887 545857 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell. < 1387687889 281511 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that. < 1387687890 384347 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't. < 1387687891 29829 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1387687893 148214 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1387687894 659532 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's dumb as shit, i love it < 1387687901 431220 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1387687903 596479 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1387687913 52012 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obCjODeoLVw < 1387687927 648695 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :very wonderful talk. < 1387687929 667995 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misattributed I assume? < 1387687958 123189 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll save that to watch once I log off :) < 1387687960 330743 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't even imagine what thought process could lead to that quote, i love it < 1387687961 332545 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does make sense in one respect < 1387687973 623196 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"well it's about like, agents" < 1387687985 632475 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :computational biology being somehow akin to mathematical physics < 1387687989 410556 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AGENT SYSTEMS! BUZZWORD! that applies to biology, right?" < 1387687998 288542 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...right?" < 1387688002 214680 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"..stop laughing." < 1387688006 132160 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, physics is naturally dependent on math, yeah? < 1387688018 112256 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And advancements in biology have most recently come from computers < 1387688025 808920 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe not CS < 1387688026 8559 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :physics is naturally dependent on the entire field of formal science. < 1387688028 60839 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1387688033 312397 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but computers < 1387688036 914700 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but advancements in blender manufacturing have most recently come from computers. < 1387688038 135296 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1387688043 258916 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1387688047 516775 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: don't forget toasters. < 1387688052 350052 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's different, but point taken < 1387688061 586167 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif < 1387688068 790543 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :CS is to X as CS is to Y. < 1387688071 911191 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it was at the beginning of a book on Bioinformatics (maybe an essay) written by the guy who basically founded the field. < 1387688076 632987 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fully general simile < 1387688085 540671 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And i liked it! < 1387688100 976498 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that quit message.... < 1387688109 86522 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the badger? < 1387688112 575457 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah hahahaaha < 1387688116 538389 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute badger < 1387688126 474150 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway.... < 1387688128 475263 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: here, let me sum up CS in a few words. < 1387688130 937551 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :badgers are terrifying irl though < 1387688137 395657 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1387688140 685455 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :listening :) < 1387688144 681121 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, when people say physics is based on math they're not just saying math helps physicists, they're saying it's a conceptual underpinning. < 1387688150 136135 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, well, really isn't true of biology at all. < 1387688153 314386 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: do it like dumdledore < 1387688160 650838 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CS is like playing with invisible legos that you can make yourself, and when you arrange those legos in a certain way, you can do amazing things that you couldn't have dreamt of. < 1387688171 406537 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1387688173 892843 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have an unlimited building space. < 1387688175 269542 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably use full sentences and punctuation but fuck that nerd shit < 1387688186 74857 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1387688187 152942 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1387688189 440542 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1387688196 637265 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex NICK :preflex < 1387688196 825595 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an unlimited amount of legos. < 1387688203 182165 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not CS. that's programming. < 1387688210 429796 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shhhh < 1387688214 741999 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it. < 1387688217 338356 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulien_Hogeweg oh, a woman. that's nice. < 1387688224 742061 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oh shush your shit, it's CS. < 1387688229 990072 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make every saying a little fucked. < 1387688230 478855 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're dealing with abstract machines and all sorts of theories. < 1387688234 947841 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me play with invisible legos. < 1387688255 22632 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i think of mathematical biology i just think of lotka though. < 1387688259 243182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes" -- probably not Dijkstra < 1387688259 497064 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So let's say I'm building Brainfuck. < 1387688265 73503 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like, volterra. volterra's cool. < 1387688275 912298 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: love it. < 1387688280 718582 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or kolmogorov but he's just the best at everything. < 1387688290 107038 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you written a brainfuck compiler yet? < 1387688292 507451 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: choose your alphabet, choose your rules, construct an abstract machine, implement it. < 1387688305 658888 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: P.N. Dijkstra is definitely my favorite computer philosopher < 1387688320 442104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have seen that quotations too, but I think I have seen it attributed to Dijkstra < 1387688344 878448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either way I like that quotation < 1387688348 408921 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad optics is probably cooler than computer engineering, on the whole. < 1387688357 422201 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: oh right, i was going to mention kolmogorov machines on the above list. something worth knowing about. < 1387688367 478824 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, I'll look it up :) < 1387688377 156546 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kolmogorov machines! < 1387688391 693884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think it is apocryphal. < 1387688419 462183 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well...the implementation. < 1387688422 585050 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my concern. < 1387688435 279444 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just try writing one. brainfuck compilers are really easy < 1387688443 998088 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: Surely I approach the project differently from a Fibonacci program... < 1387688445 383070 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your implementation is certainly dependent upon your choice of rules/alphabet. < 1387688449 632128 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a first approximation, you can just replace every character with a bit of C < 1387688460 49545 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: understand that this field is entirely arbitrary. < 1387688475 343945 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that is true < 1387688482 652617 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. = puts("") < 1387688503 312314 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simplest interpreter would be iterating over a string of symbols and modifying some state. < 1387688505 56894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like putchar(tape[i]) < 1387688507 352240 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather printf("%c",arr[i]) < 1387688510 249782 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1387688511 509822 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about it. < 1387688522 449860 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't even need I/O. < 1387688524 399357 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can examine why this implementation sucks (does it work on invalid programs? does it tell you how a program is invalid? is it fast? is it safe?) < 1387688542 474596 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what do you mean? < 1387688549 888932 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do i mean by what < 1387688552 91567 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :analysis of all possible programs. < 1387688559 998195 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :invalid programs, sorry. < 1387688560 462085 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and analysis based on a set of conditions. < 1387688564 375408 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in with errors? < 1387688571 943957 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs with* < 1387688573 204106 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: "++]" isn't a valid brainfuck program, yeah? < 1387688573 652371 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: such as.. [[] < 1387688575 288077 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something. < 1387688583 212396 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotcha. < 1387688592 786231 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay great. < 1387688600 182001 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'all kick ass. < 1387688611 249974 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here my mom is saying I shouldn't talk to strangers... < 1387688622 260952 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lie-to-hildren < 1387688626 698597 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a useful one tho < 1387688634 625822 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i ever meet you i will sell you methylenedioxymethamphetamine so she has a point < 1387688655 321381 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :walter? < 1387688668 537266 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that you? < 1387688669 661128 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heisenberg? < 1387688740 677801 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn has everyone seen that television programme < 1387688742 153754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programs without matched [] are invalid brainfuck programs; it is why I suggested once that if the program's input is from the same stream, you should use ] to separate the program from the input (even though most implementations use ! instead) < 1387688779 17841 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree using ] is much more elgant; no need to expand alphabet < 1387688856 521200 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my 112 byte BF interpreter uses that convention too < 1387688866 730758 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: downside is it makes debugging harder. not that usually bothers esolangers. < 1387688924 275196 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also means that ! may be used in comments like in implementations with separate program from input would do, and using ] in case of some kind of Godel numbering, it can help too I guess < 1387689212 719405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this about Gödel numbering? < 1387689252 158709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like numbers < 1387689267 72738 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers are fun. < 1387689314 771380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: For example if you want the low three bits per number as the first command, and so on, and ] is zero. Hofstadter always used decimal, although I don't like that much. < 1387689330 909616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i see < 1387689360 772020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :methylenedioxymethamphetamine != methamphetamine, kids < 1387689378 943158 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former is a lot more fun < 1387689435 452660 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :methylenedioxymethamphetamine < 1387689444 355743 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :enedioxymethamphe < 1387689454 47696 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :dioxymet < 1387689460 930350 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oxy < 1387689465 98177 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1387689483 648690 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. yep. much easier to pronounce < 1387689531 171475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's shaped like a lizard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MDMA_(simple).svg < 1387689575 91471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i like your etymology < 1387689741 897281 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, it is < 1387689792 544251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i met a guy who did research on psychoactive drugs and he told me that it's even more complicated than I thought < 1387689843 354717 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because two drugs which activate the same receptor with the same overall binding affinity might still produce a different distribution of receptor conformations inside the cell, which would trigger different signaling pathways < 1387690003 371903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The entire report of my and other dreams are at: http://zzo38computer.org/misc/weird_dream/dream.txt They are in order of entry, which is not necessarily the order of occurence. < 1387690032 132224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you can have fictitious events inside of other fictitious events, but what is it when you have a fictitious event logically *outside* of a fictitious event? (This happened in a dream once) < 1387690092 809915 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :frame story? < 1387690165 421538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it is actually inside and not outside, but it is logically as if it is outside. < 1387690178 461263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you mean like waking up from a dream-in-a-dream? < 1387690483 31443 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No. My example is dreaming being someone else of even a different species or whatever, and then going to a place in the dream, that you have the belief that the real you has actually been there, even though that is fictitious and doesn't exist either. (And this belief cannot combine with the ones in context of the dream, due to the strange logic in use) < 1387690493 489568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully that is clear enough to you? < 1387690534 808548 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have super weird dreams < 1387690539 694017 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a bit jealous < 1387690695 850882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jealous? Are they so much weird compared to others, or is some other factor at work? Or, perhaps, both! < 1387690722 824681 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, weird to me. i hardly ever dream. < 1387691239 92380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you do, what do you? < 1387691287 643931 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :[Just (), Nothing] >>= repeat | When you do, what do you? | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1387691298 494506 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that topic. < 1387691336 842708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry baby i had to crash that topic < 1387691345 801561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought it was a kmc lyrics quote < 1387691351 40919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it turned out to be a zzo38 quote < 1387691354 26019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what's the difference" < 1387691448 593266 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you are famous in the internet, apparently. < 1387691453 646807 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :google your username. < 1387691489 386676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you have stairs in your house? < 1387691490 131236 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait wait. < 1387691494 844712 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: NESdev? < 1387691499 947033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, whoa, whoa, i forgot about more-notation < 1387691503 214150 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh christ. < 1387691503 451153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/User:Zzo38/Proposal_for_more-notation < 1387691520 933920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: Yes I have seen, there is several things in there, whether it is links, random gibberish text, other people's writing, imposters, or unrelated things. < 1387691529 17849 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Did the almighty kevtris bless you? < 1387691529 795323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, I do have stairs in my house. < 1387691534 341393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzt.org/fora/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=836 < 1387691540 790928 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Are you protected? < 1387691575 917812 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night y'all. How do I make my quit text that Badger gif < 1387691577 286802 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1387691584 101155 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that would make me happy. < 1387691594 816294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: I don't think so, but I do post in NESdev and do that stuff too < 1387691606 215824 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give marshallh my best if you see him. < 1387691609 615684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward___: you just specify the quit text after /quit < 1387691614 715755 :Edward___!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif < 1387691618 178738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION claps
< 1387691622 418441 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that boy is going places. < 1387691631 592630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1387691635 826418 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to badgerland < 1387691645 393176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the happiest place on earth!!! < 1387691648 956108 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can I talk to you about accepting the 6502 as your personal lord and savior. < 1387691649 152564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Protected? How? < 1387691657 115194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: from the terrible secret of space < 1387691664 356254 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :please. < 1387691676 318502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: You can try! However, I don't accept something as my personal lord and savior. < 1387691689 916609 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, but it has decimal mode. < 1387691695 676602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Other than philosophical ideals, I suppose.) < 1387691712 276106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: The decimal mode doesn't work in the NES/Famicom. < 1387691715 266820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i be your shared lord and savior < 1387691732 740187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You can try, but I think not. < 1387691761 332162 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's why I'm reccomending you switch! < 1387691764 399791 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1387691795 78795 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also just occurred to me that MOS Technologies is the Bender of the semiconductor world. < 1387691810 962476 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm gonna go make my own architecture! With blackjack and hookers!" < 1387691813 89420 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :runs on beer? < 1387691816 944748 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ and that. < 1387691829 468475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/attachments/off-topic-6/46134d1371914998-count-100-000-pictures-bender_6502-jpg < 1387691836 983344 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see. < 1387691838 493998 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was right. < 1387691846 748848 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking conspiracies. < 1387691853 869413 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't this mean Bender is the 6502 of the robot world < 1387691871 916242 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION headsplodes.
< 1387691877 172529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: I would use the decimal mode when programming one that does have decimal mode working, but not for Famicom programs. < 1387691914 174612 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: screw the rules! decimal mode ftw! < 1387691972 239004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: ??? < 1387691988 456287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 Classic also has some decimal mode stuffs < 1387692003 569003 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 classic is also modeled after the Z80. < 1387692017 5039 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA the heretic CPU. < 1387692020 168669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the Z80 is modeled after the 8080 < 1387692023 144553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"modeled" < 1387692049 405651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like the Tu-4 was modeled after the B-29 < 1387692056 267213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes it has some instructions for it, but I rarely program stuff in x86 assembly language anyways (except for a few small DOS programs; I have done a few) < 1387692069 145812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and once, a MBR code) < 1387692367 973897 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: I doubt the 6502 has any instruction built in for either blackjack or hookers although I suppose the former is possible < 1387692396 845741 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: damn right. < 1387692412 824080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obligatory http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/story-of-mel.html < 1387692445 229423 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haah < 1387692458 267961 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obligatory is damn right. < 1387692599 709422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen story of Mel, too. < 1387692672 844834 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't modern x86 boxes still support decimal mode if you're in real mode or something < 1387692685 865132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in protected mode as well, i believe < 1387692688 213382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not in long mode < 1387692692 719576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tertu: Yes, but not in 64-bit mode < 1387693173 278811 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of these things I added in this dreaming report by now? Furthermore, do you have anything to add or to correct any errors in the text? < 1387693268 265017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you aware of any David Sirlin games? < 1387694032 25747 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1387694269 998534 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1387694353 402277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/lYjKKpx.png winter in san francisco < 1387694359 439227 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1387694392 13293 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387694407 540078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: can we have that in real degrees plz < 1387694416 255870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1387694481 111427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is full of people from hexham and finland < 1387694482 136702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Real* degrees? Like angular measurements? < 1387694505 600867 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexland < 1387694518 403710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, like real numbers greater than -273.15 < 1387694524 701749 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :real degrees, like ph.d. < 1387694550 748578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what complex angles would represent
< 1387694627 993011 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> asin 3 < 1387694630 239424 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : NaN < 1387694636 689006 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, huh. < 1387694641 686143 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> asin 3 :: Complex < 1387694643 829676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expecting one more argument to `Data.Complex.Complex' < 1387694645 998067 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1387694647 491296 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no good? oh well. < 1387694651 40209 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> asin 3 :: Complex Double < 1387694652 713930 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.5707963267948966 :+ (-1.762747174039086) < 1387694670 218001 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '@ASIN3' | ploki < 1387694673 109758 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :nan < 1387694677 69525 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> asin 9 < 1387694678 815515 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : NaN < 1387694687 902944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :que es ploki < 1387694695 612369 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '@ASIN 0.5' | ploki < 1387694697 134881 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.523598775598299 < 1387694699 847763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: Does ploki just read from stdin? < 1387694710 182823 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: stdin or file < 1387694724 469559 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't execute from argv < 1387694756 496511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should make a `runploki command that reads from argv. < 1387694767 648308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd do it but I'm not sure how much special character support is necessary? < 1387694777 8625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me about ploki < 1387694818 538246 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's a scripting language modeled after BASIC, Perl, and assembler code < 1387694867 806568 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the main reason I haven't done that yet is that ploki insists on newlines between statements < 1387694874 902369 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is awkward on the command line < 1387694916 560399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use echo -e or something like that. But still awkward. < 1387694927 30376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'hello\nworld\n' < 1387694928 317893 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello \ world < 1387694942 617946 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to do things like git commit -am $'blah\n\blah blah' < 1387694945 373554 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there is some documentation at http://mauke.hopto.org/stuff/ploki/ploki-0.6.5.1/doc/ < 1387694956 179766 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like the rest of ploki, it's part of the practical joke < 1387694973 956140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about $'' but it wouldn't work with an externally supplied string. < 1387694994 349540 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's all sorts of fun hidden in the corners that the documentation doesn't cover < 1387695016 126686 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. it's not obvious from the description of the syntax that ploki has literally no syntax errors < 1387695049 254045 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only "error" it has is going into an infinite loop < 1387695085 401861 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is based on an implementation accident when I first did the GOTO command < 1387695126 982242 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was quite pleased to discover _|_ being used both for errors and nontermination, 10 years later < 1387695177 137255 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike Perl it uses _ for concatenation (instead of .) < 1387695219 921535 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is because at the time I didn't know about parsers and . was already part of the syntax for numeric literals (.123, etc) so I had to use something else < 1387695255 494558 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :later on, perl6 also used _ for this purpose (but then they switched to ~) < 1387695292 634547 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :because _ was taken, I needed another character to separate words in identifiers. I chose $ < 1387695324 645804 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :and guess what? javascript does the same thing, treating $ as a letter! < 1387695370 301290 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: ploki is full of silly and stupid ideas but also weirdly prophetic sometimes < 1387695451 631119 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1387695527 90003 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :it almost-but-not-quite supports functional programming via the @OMFG operator < 1387695665 186058 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, and the documentation is written to make you build a nicely organized mental model of the syntax in your head (a program is a list of statements, a statement contains expressions, expressions look like this ...) < 1387695695 979173 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other parts of the language violate this layering < 1387695711 800725 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I had to write a formal grammar for it, I wouldn't even know where to start < 1387697438 973051 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also in some C implementations the $ is also a letter < 1387697794 493663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the ploki documentation, and some of the examples, and other stuff on the same server and found this: http://mauke.hopto.org/stuff/img/regex.png I don't know what the symbol in the circle is supposed to be but I think I can understand its meaning, at least. Therefore it also give me the idea to make a label/goto operators in a regular expression < 1387699624 384310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/qzstp.png < 1387699675 697653 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell yea < 1387699930 1640 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387700191 940973 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1387700754 922657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1387703059 295618 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might sing in public tomorrow < 1387703067 565128 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck < 1387703080 690417 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Bike probably hasn't heard me singing < 1387705245 16245 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387705515 878140 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1387705806 322504 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1387705821 751599 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387706315 41194 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: v. fascinating < 1387706702 109032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1387707240 366507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb I think exponentials may have to be involved somewhere, which, for a unit, is most odd <-- "decibels" hth < 1387707240 570578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1387707257 692471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb Also "bits". < 1387707257 927603 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1387707265 487873 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387707360 939919 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 deciBel = 0.1 Bel < 1387707371 229520 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody uses Bels though < 1387707391 950026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody also writes it "deciBel". < 1387707402 605174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just "decibel (dB)".' < 1387707410 864693 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 6 decibels is twice the power < 1387707442 142213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like three. < 1387707459 913701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, officially only the abbrevations of units named after persons have capitalization. < 1387707470 547593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :newton (N), etc. < 1387707511 959392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, more like 10*log10(2).) < 1387707543 249119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10*logBase 10 2 < 1387707546 711204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.0102999566398116 < 1387707575 393651 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1387707580 388223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though there's a factor of 2 that often appers in things related to decibels, because of some kind of a square. < 1387707677 482121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :amplitude vs. energy or something like that < 1387707715 571446 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twice the amplitude is four times the power < 1387707734 982725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. So you need a 6 dB change to double the amplitude. < 1387707818 231547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why they chopped off the "l" in Bell's name
< 1387707870 52110 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only assume that cojazz is the dual of jazz < 1387707899 866137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's still better than calling the unit "Alexander", though. < 1387707923 404511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we'd be measuring sound and other thing in decialexanders (dA). < 1387707966 834426 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Actually, jazz is self-dual < 1387708040 668547 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: A is already taken anyway < 1387708057 941296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: have any units been named after someone's first name < 1387708091 70628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dAlex < 1387708159 732804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any. I'm sure there's at least some "jokey" thing. < 1387708201 539045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see they mangled Napier's name even worse. < 1387708224 960483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about Kelvin, I guess that's not exactly a surname? < 1387708247 905786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that it's "William Thomson, 1st Baron Kelvin" or some-suchg. < 1387708253 85529 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1387708256 637612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's presumably a place name < 1387708264 188740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also re Bell -> bel, there's also Faraday -> farad. < 1387708276 453651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right < 1387708284 959427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And Volta -> volt.) < 1387708298 936208 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was lorded for what he did with thermodynamics though < 1387708311 779957 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The title came from the river Kelvin < 1387708345 387971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baudot -> baud. < 1387708398 170145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm going through Wikipedia's "List of scientific units named after people", looking for first names; none so far.) < 1387708512 529578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i somehow associate the custom of nobles (or royals) having surnames distinct from their titles as something british. < 1387708554 406608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, helens (you know, 1 millihelen is the amount of beauty needed to launch one ship, and so on) are named after a first name. I guess. I mean, I don't suppose Helen of Troy has a recorded surname, anyway. < 1387708685 459771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i was thinking of explicitly excluding any units named after ancients, but couldn't think of any. < 1387708700 611586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Have you ever measured anything in oersteds? < 1387708721 798041 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1387708721 998697 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 24m 41s ago: I think exponentials may have to be involved somewhere, which, for a unit, is most odd <-- "decibels" hth < 1387708722 199728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 24m 24s ago: Also "bits". < 1387708731 17189 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah, I realised < 1387708758 153959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i don't think so. < 1387708809 157463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just thought you might have a natural affinity. < 1387708891 410104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be obsolete (pre-SI) < 1387708915 640676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i dropped out of physics about when i should have got seriously into electromagnetism. < 1387708958 425543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :allergic aversion to lab writeups, terrible case. < 1387709076 972077 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1387709130 533223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway coexponentials are left adjoint to coproducts or something?? <-- is there any category that has those and isn't obviously the dual of something more natural. < 1387709207 111336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i note an absense of any prominent wikipedia link. < 1387710982 967118 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387711136 943139 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.187.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387711768 926385 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387713049 283969 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-37-49-6-33.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1387713716 39862 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1387715048 46375 :CADD_!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387715048 290237 :CADD_!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Client Quit < 1387716760 44757 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1387717248 943373 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387717285 780071 :Sorella!~quildreen@201.80.214.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387717322 82788 :Sorella!~quildreen@201.80.214.167 QUIT :Changing host < 1387717322 287203 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1387718032 905847 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1387719817 823708 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1387719845 914399 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1387719870 215144 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1387719885 887393 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1387721554 868104 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387721917 869588 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1387723063 392080 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [Just (), Nothing] >>= repeat < 1387723065 685567 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [Just (),Just (),Just (),Just (),Just (),Just (),Just (),Just (),Just (),Jus... < 1387723090 108789 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type repeat < 1387723091 617700 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> [a] < 1387723115 793587 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [Just (), Nothing] >>= cycle.([]) < 1387723118 205037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `Data.Maybe.Maybe () -> [b0]' < 1387723118 407068 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `[a0]' < 1387723143 159711 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type cycle.([]) < 1387723145 330807 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a0 -> [a1]' with actual type `[a2]' < 1387723145 574541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the second argument of `(.)', namely `([])' < 1387723145 574726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: cycle . ([]) < 1387723150 612353 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that? < 1387723181 657428 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought [] is essentially \a -> [a] < 1387723216 602646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t [] < 1387723218 221378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] < 1387723234 752652 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ([]) < 1387723236 376173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] < 1387723247 886452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you want (:[]) ) < 1387723608 469 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1387724169 421923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1387724197 224157 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (:[]) 2 < 1387724199 628397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2] < 1387724202 581129 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1387724802 678468 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robot monkey! < 1387724826 47084 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that (:[]) is just as long as pure < 1387724828 305371 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pure 2 < 1387724831 437114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Control.Applicative.Applicative f0) < 1387724831 638540 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `e_12' < 1387724831 638711 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable `f0' is ambiguous < 1387724831 638815 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: add a type signature that fixes these type variable(s) < 1387724831 638907 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1387724856 475380 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would work if something else depended on it being a list < 1387724870 328518 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t cycle . (:[]) < 1387724872 385684 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> [a] < 1387724887 648176 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the same as repeat < 1387725437 988050 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1387725468 706095 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1387727236 957905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1387728422 769237 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1387728440 527727 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1387728865 973519 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387729159 391559 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t pure < 1387729161 511890 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => a -> f a < 1387729177 271209 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::i pure < 1387729190 288770 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1387729196 378417 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pure 5 :: Maybe Int < 1387729199 82551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 5 < 1387729202 419914 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1387729203 904243 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same thing as return < 1387729204 302807 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's uhm... < 1387729212 20464 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for applicatives < 1387729216 147351 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :return for applictives? < 1387729259 76680 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t lift < 1387729261 169604 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Monad m, MonadTrans t) => m a -> t m a < 1387729280 78798 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.187.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1387729282 630055 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (lift id $ 5) :: Maybe Int < 1387729284 751697 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match kind `*' with `* -> *' < 1387729284 956313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: (->) (Data.Maybe.Maybe GHC.Types.Int) < 1387729284 956473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> Data.Maybe.Maybe GHC.Types.Int < 1387729284 956570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: (->) (Data.Maybe.Maybe GHC.Types.Int) < 1387729284 956665 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> Data.Maybe.Maybe GHC.Types.Int < 1387729306 570325 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm yeah < 1387729309 848449 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does not work that way < 1387729355 454540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Int does not fit into t m a < 1387729358 901562 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> arr id < 1387729361 81612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Control.Arrow.Arrow a0) < 1387729361 285490 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `e_1' < 1387729361 285645 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable `a0' is ambiguous < 1387729361 285739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: add a type signature that fixes these type variable(s) < 1387729361 285832 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1387729382 698227 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (lift id $ 5) :: MaybeT Identity Int < 1387729383 702412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: type constructor or class `MaybeT' < 1387729383 908098 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant `Maybe' (imported from Data.Maybe) < 1387729392 788754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1387729563 964849 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1387729979 802214 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387730257 982943 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387730933 867039 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let import Control.Monad.Trans.Maybe < 1387730935 982658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1387730939 965000 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try again < 1387731066 588495 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it won't work < 1387731235 399378 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1387731263 22703 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387731768 194297 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1387732705 52405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>) :: IO t -> FilePath -> IO t; main = putStrLn "Hello, world!" > "foo.txt" < 1387732886 726603 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1387733190 394655 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you use for inequality? < 1387733450 242203 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :| probably can't be used because of guard syntax < 1387735336 931757 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1387735353 955588 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387735542 746665 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387735578 289579 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :VERSION < 1387735610 844063 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1387735739 286594 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking this NYT American English dialect quiz < 1387735743 486366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"QUESTION 24 OF 25: What do you call a drive-through liquor store?" < 1387735764 15283 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't believe they exist < 1387735804 366399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gowally.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/double_shot_liquor_guns.jpg < 1387735819 847147 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1387735845 362740 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, screw the real world I am going to watch the Hobbit again < 1387735857 659023 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :drive through hobbits and rings < 1387735905 954090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drive-through volcanoes, for all your on-the-go ring-of-doom unmaking needs. < 1387735924 92262 :jaydubzy!~jaywalker@c-76-124-107-5.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387736108 786770 :andras_!~andras@5402D917.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1387736133 296509 :andras_!~andras@5402D917.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1387736162 115172 :andras_!~andras@5402D917.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PART :#esoteric < 1387736182 487278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dejectedly sets down his `relcome
< 1387736303 524635 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome < 1387736309 442754 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13irc.dal.net.) < 1387736328 957875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1387736462 200369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome zzo38 < 1387736464 813037 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06zzo38: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.) < 1387736492 964923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wow, do you just hate duals < 1387736509 662345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're like http://math.stackexchange.com/q/556921 < 1387737111 940099 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-238.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387737205 578330 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-238.psoas.suomi.net PART :#esoteric < 1387737418 25558 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@ip-64-134-242-146.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387739088 343477 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1387739126 379628 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387739419 407534 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1387739541 749494 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387739614 46165 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1387739643 233938 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1387740436 414655 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: there's always ¦ < 1387740528 144188 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but that's an unicode character. Some people can't write it < 1387740566 431649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY'RE ALL UNICODE CHARACTERS < 1387740570 873013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS THE POINT OF UNICODE < 1387740571 947865 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahem. < 1387740650 682988 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I meant a character that's outside ASCII < 1387740680 663130 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I can't remember if altgr+shift+< is ¦ on windows se-qwerty too, or if that's a X11 thing < 1387740708 683484 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not printed on the keyboard, so I guess the latter is likely < 1387740714 60277 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¦ is on the backslash/pipe key or me. < 1387740718 509832 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for < 1387740725 777972 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1387740725 983293 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :<>|¦ is on one key for me < 1387740731 327330 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That outburst of rage < 1387740745 669278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1387740749 594322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually there are also many things that aren't available in Unicode, although all ASCII characters are available, at least, and many others (with a lot of confusing and redundancy and other complexities and stupid stuff, though) < 1387740762 224131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: which characters aren't available in Unicode? < 1387740773 590813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Klingon and most other constructed writing systems < 1387740783 549139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though they have semi-official private use area allocations < 1387740808 295772 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION . o O ( and yet Hangul is in the BMP )
< 1387740822 913186 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: probably not, I think someone went a bit crazy mapping altgr-everything in x's keymaps < 1387740830 233907 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, why wouldn't hangul be in the bmp < 1387740841 408107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is that hangul is a constructed writing system < 1387740851 380418 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should probably switch to Vector Fonts < 1387740853 156454 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1387740862 215767 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they don't already exist, I call it my invention . < 1387740862 501565 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :| < 1387740864 139165 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1387740877 249873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just happens to be the most popular one by like 5 orders of magnitude < 1387740879 386220 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no encoding anymore at all < 1387740885 443033 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so | is different from the one with the space inside, although my keyboard's rendition of | has a space inside < 1387740886 333376 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why < 1387740887 121026 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just Vector Graphics STuff < 1387740909 711295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I think http://www.wps.com/J/codes/ has far more than you could ever want to know on this subject < 1387740911 283276 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... you wouldn't need a font anymore . < 1387740923 639616 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you'll fine most writing systems are constructed :colbert: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cangjie2.jpg < 1387740925 352835 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The text is already in vector graphics form. < 1387740940 610904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1387740955 755732 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Legend has it that he had four eyes and four pupils, and that when he invented the characters, the deities and ghosts cried and the sky rained millet" < 1387740993 710331 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: how would copy/paste work? < 1387740995 434759 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you know, being able to choose a font is actually an advantage. < 1387741006 160303 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no, copy/paste would work < 1387741017 6820 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you'd be stuck with the formatting of the original, I think < 1387741037 815481 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Why wouldn't that work < 1387741042 141947 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just character after character < 1387741059 203569 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same way it works with Bitmap Fonts essentially < 1387741081 160270 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a fixed grid < 1387741082 587611 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uhm < 1387741088 4804 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :10px high, 8 px wide < 1387741096 419659 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there actual code-points involved, or is every 'character' just an image, with no way to compare between 'fonts'? < 1387741101 250987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it's rather inconvenient to manipulate text when it's stored as individual strokes < 1387741110 323804 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A character is a description of its appearance < 1387741131 403830 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, suppose I have a website written by a very smart person, but they used a Comic Sans like font < 1387741140 740825 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good supposition < 1387741142 717537 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to copy something they said into an email to some professional person < 1387741157 426358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: is this person named Simon Peyton Jones < 1387741169 864131 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I do that while stripping the bad formatting? Or do I just say "Sorry, the person who wrote this used Comic Sans"? < 1387741226 644775 :VERSION!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif < 1387741344 733724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what if you want to, say, index or search or translate text < 1387741371 736459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you could just store every document as an svg with no text in it < 1387741375 690312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean this is in any way a good idea < 1387741387 607212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, fonts don't have fixed grids, generally < 1387741393 771211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(monospaced ones are the exception, and even then...) < 1387741516 227965 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i can remember any language-inventors more colorful than cangjie < 1387741525 481552 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. wikipedia has an article. < 1387741539 958542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the process which takes a font and a sequence of codepoints and outputs a vector image is called text shaping and it's very complicated < 1387741540 314990 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, none of them will be more badass than Sequoyah, anyway < 1387741570 417506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: true facts. < 1387741725 407598 :iamcal!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yhwrnorgqwyqcgel QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1387741746 227368 :conehead_!uid16140@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-skqsfmlekhessody QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1387741752 83386 :CADD!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-smalfxoftyajehey QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1387741769 829830 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1387741953 605982 :iamcal!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cmwfqsmhyzgpwtbz JOIN :#esoteric < 1387741958 542058 :_46bit!sid10106@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vksehfkiscttnjhi JOIN :#esoteric < 1387741982 514960 :_46bit!sid10106@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vksehfkiscttnjhi NICK :Guest80779 < 1387742072 868470 :CADD!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lcxaxklselyrxqwv JOIN :#esoteric < 1387742149 878180 :conehead!uid16140@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bfmhatldhsnfmuru JOIN :#esoteric < 1387742476 941560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387743745 150264 :xstefeN!~xstefen@unaffiliated/xstefen JOIN :#esoteric < 1387744409 471320 :xstefeN!~xstefen@unaffiliated/xstefen PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1387744485 656724 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1387744625 400912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned today: the most arbitrary-looking numeric limit ever: http://sprunge.us/PeNV < 1387744653 796127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1387744739 841294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's in the ballpark of 80 bits... maybe they added 80 bit support for x87 < 1387744741 700646 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't quite add up though < 1387744982 165533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's something more complicated, since it's not even consistent: http://sprunge.us/ePMZ < 1387744997 421125 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1387745049 675940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x00001000000000000000000000000000 is also okay. < 1387745056 521434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just gdb gdb. < 1387745064 870952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's some sort of "can be exactly represented in some type" kind of thing. < 1387745101 746704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It doesn't actually set the correct value even when it doesn't complain, if it's >64 bits, so...) < 1387745222 373828 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387745262 340022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/cFNW yes, I'm going to go with "is exact for an 80-bit long double" kind of thing. (That has 64 bits of precision, as I recall.) < 1387745364 486173 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you should put together a "wat" talk for GDB < 1387745447 103898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that really frustrated me is that there's no easy way to examine a memory operand of the form %fs:0x70 < 1387745494 657418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ended up writing a .c file with «unsigned long foo() { unsigned long x; asm volatile("mov %%fs:0x70, %0" : "=r"(x)); return x; }» and compiling it to a .so and pulling it in with LD_PRELOAD and calling «print foo()» within GDB < 1387745506 593289 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit roundabout although I'm very pleased with myself < 1387745646 43575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could probably write a macro, I've seen some quite hairy gdb macros. < 1387745675 10114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would it work though? < 1387745689 504460 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1387745726 29284 :wlee23!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387745815 586366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. I guess you can't get the segment bases in any sensible way. < 1387745847 174843 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could force the traced process to call arch_prctl(ARCH_GET_FS) < 1387746566 17226 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@ip-64-134-242-146.public.wayport.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1387746623 48757 :wlee23!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1387746739 139920 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"“I had a sex dream about an autistic kid last night. #fml.".. are people offended by the 'kid', by the '#fml'... or just at the notion of sex with an autistic person? < 1387746770 435185 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if it's the latter, that's kind of offensive, to suggest that autistic people shouldn't have sex < 1387746780 410994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1387746791 752915 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i interpreted it as the "fml" < 1387746796 669451 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps the kid < 1387746799 650091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm missing the context here < 1387746811 780218 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'autistic kid' connotes someone who's not "high-functioning" and probably not capable of consent, to me, at least in that context < 1387746820 984301 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: some PR person tweeted something offensive recently, and that quote was another tweet from earlier people got offended about < 1387746842 527448 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this reporter(??) who got suspended for tweeting something like "i'm going to Africa, hope i don't get aids, oh wait i'm white" < 1387746848 98448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1387746855 286430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1387746858 3193 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2013/12/upper_level_pr_exec_tweets_that_she_is_going_to_africa_hope_i_don_t_get.html < 1387746880 20816 :wlee23!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387746913 849643 :wlee23!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 QUIT :Client Quit < 1387746921 846579 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i don't see why you'd be offended by someone's dreams. presumably they have no control over such things. (on the other hand, why would you tweet your sex dreams?) < 1387746948 551438 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have made mention of some of my sexual dreams online < 1387746969 466390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo please stop < 1387746984 775740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's up to her who she wants to have sex with but saying in public that people in this or that group are unfuckable is an asshole move < 1387747028 534206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have definitely talked about sex dreams in #esoteric < 1387747180 716635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this cool thing going where a) i'm a rich white guy b) i work in an industry with v. low standards for personal conduct c) i'm nobody and nobody really cares what i say < 1387747195 510627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can talk about all kinds of embarassing things and it's fine < 1387747274 589117 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's more along the lines of like, 99% of the time a privileged person talks about having sex with it's basicaly always either insulting or fetishization or some mix <.< < 1387747374 877940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1387747449 742793 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-37-49-6-33.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1387747587 122120 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387747617 289541 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I've been learning about the big personalities in the webcomic world. < 1387747652 371601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is starting to wonder exactly how rich kmc is.
< 1387747670 116868 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a very exciting reality show could be created just by putting them all in one room < 1387747701 197382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc actually owns Bike, shachaf and Gracenotes_ < 1387747717 296100 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be clear, I think it's a good thing that I won't be fired for talking about sex dreams in #esoteric, but I don't think that should extend to racism sexism ableism etc. < 1387747743 638631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you... think you should be fired for those things < 1387747804 804754 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I act that way in public yeah, depending on circumstances < 1387747848 236039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how far does 'public' extend < 1387747849 26582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well I have a job so I feel pretty well off by the standards of the new american economy < 1387747871 957523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1387747886 544341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i dunno I don't really feel like getting into this in depth < 1387747894 760303 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1387748022 775930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are there 3 different incompatible systems for rating HVAC filter effectiveness < 1387748190 277651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google HVAC < 1387748191 165497 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVAC < 1387748191 370011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: HVAC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1387748201 664582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: why thank you lambdabot < 1387748219 20275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's metasepia when you need it < 1387748238 326555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google HVAC definition < 1387748239 132398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Result Found. < 1387748257 198325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn HVAC < 1387748258 464721 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "HVAC". < 1387748272 262264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's because there's no such thing hth < 1387748295 419395 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387748498 191715 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heating and central air < 1387748535 227738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that poor peripheral air gets no love < 1387748566 970782 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387748621 159990 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he only has a lease on me! ...ok, no, i had a lot of debts ok < 1387748637 60863 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sure it does. i know plenty of folks and businesses with window units. < 1387748646 850265 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is not uncommon for bikes to be owned anyway < 1387748767 351629 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1387748773 154178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if kmc owns me p. sure he's obligated to fix me when i'm broken < 1387748776 625819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like right now < 1387748850 971958 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you try sleeping? hth < 1387748858 70901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes hth < 1387748889 525885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1387748926 264090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Things like Klingon aren't the only things not available in Unicode. Also some of the characters (including control characters) from the Commodore 64 and other computers. (All of the PC characters are available, though.) < 1387748987 999378 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, shit, shut it all down < 1387749156 145558 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.187.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387749305 336067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a dual killed galois, you know < 1387749364 867362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote galois < 1387749365 72690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sclv says: Q: Why are the adjunctions of Galois connections backwards? A: He never got the hang of duals. < 1387749376 66801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1387749380 932956 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-53-73.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :honk < 1387750078 974674 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387750270 645982 :conehead!uid16140@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bfmhatldhsnfmuru NICK :conehead_ < 1387750334 251286 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1387750358 16915 :wlee23!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387750379 865757 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1387750428 638256 :Guest80779!sid10106@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vksehfkiscttnjhi NICK :_46bit_ < 1387750526 738320 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1387750564 630994 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387750690 25673 :wlee23!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I found my favorite idea for a possible language. < 1387750705 948876 :wlee23!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Final Fantasy, where you have to code 200 lines before your program STARTS to have meaning. < 1387750752 217134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's in interesting esolang idea even without the refrence < 1387750757 677441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reference < 1387750862 124158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that fairly common depending on your interpretation < 1387751022 124509 :wlee23!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on the website, I stumbled upon it. < 1387751029 955425 :wlee23!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha, and yeah that is true. < 1387751040 779775 :wlee23!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, y'all take care, I'm off to see Frozen. < 1387751119 602777 :wlee23!47ec1e9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.236.30.154 QUIT :Quit: https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRwtqOc7l3gJkXIrqQ9aqc_5SuyF3V4TOltgZm8s3TMd9h_ZOb1 < 1387751432 551862 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody know of a synchronization tool similar to rsync but with a source cache so it can avoid communication with the destination whatsoever if the source hasn't changed? < 1387751761 557973 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mashable.com/2013/12/21/gogo-justine-sacco/ < 1387751997 494730 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a synchronisation tool Sgeo_ < 1387752682 548439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly has this idea that someone should invent a drug that makes you forget which people are acceptable joke targets. then put it in the water supply across the northern hemisphere.
< 1387752726 45245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, that might end up as a prelude to another remake of On the Beach. < 1387752837 841628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe a james bond movie. < 1387752854 982566 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@ip-64-134-242-146.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387752963 485104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps a drug that makes you find _all_ jokes offensive. < 1387753001 497670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, why not both. < 1387753071 284513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to put the latter joke into the chinese water supply though, it wouldn't make a difference anyhow. < 1387753076 316517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1387753078 200354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*drug < 1387753098 43974 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@ip-64-134-242-146.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting jokes into the water supply really waters them down. < 1387753112 628415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :true fact. < 1387753117 238073 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes the water taste funny though < 1387753162 639025 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@ip-64-134-242-146.public.wayport.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurrrrrr. < 1387753226 449118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it bad when your main prejudice against an ethnicity is that they're ridiculously sensitive < 1387753250 721194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hi swedes, chinese) < 1387753508 43276 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are swedes ridiculously sensitive? < 1387753519 749834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the difference is that the chinese are sensitive about themselves, while the swedes are sensitive about everyone else) < 1387753548 676095 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right < 1387753604 322254 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the swedish press would certainly make it seem that way at least < 1387753614 343032 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're trying to pit the overly sensitive half against the people who get outraged how people can be so overly sensitive and get offended by silly stuff < 1387753700 177530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds profitable. also: timbuktu. < 1387753727 489254 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : are swedes ridiculously sensitive? < 1387753728 891088 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1387753737 970012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone is always asking me, "why do you hate the swedes" < 1387753747 502910 :JM_329!~JM_@186.14.100.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387753747 731204 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there was some sort of controversy involving him, right? do you know what it was about? < 1387753751 943311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :as though i need a justification < 1387753766 288801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no i don't remember < 1387753771 53670 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also oerjan that cake incident indicates otherwise < 1387753783 161001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which cake < 1387753797 475123 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do you hate the swedes? < 1387753799 126209 :JM_329!~JM_@186.14.100.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1387753812 92953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, i don't hate you, you are the one exception < 1387753813 196500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wehlcome JM_329 < 1387753814 466832 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wehlcome: not found < 1387753820 562157 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Phantom_Hoover < 1387753821 724043 :JM_329!~JM_@186.14.100.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks Oerjan < 1387753821 913462 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Phantom_Hoover. Thantom_Hoover. < 1387753823 881207 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :my theory is that you were abducted from finland or norway at birth < 1387753842 877888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE JM_329 < 1387753845 660511 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jm_329: WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: . (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1387753862 803207 :JM_329!~JM_@186.14.100.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My I know the topic, please? < 1387753913 508136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's right there in HackEgo's response. although i guess it's a bit heavy on the CamelCase. < 1387753944 288855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about esoteric programming languages < 1387753958 467880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should really put that in the topic, but people prefer jokes for some reason < 1387753959 573079 :JM_329!~JM_@186.14.100.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay...thanks Ais523 < 1387753966 85460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog development and deployment < 1387753973 928430 :JM_329!~JM_@186.14.100.142 QUIT :Client Quit < 1387753997 263099 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1387754000 284928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog development and deployment < 1387754013 701168 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-06-18.txt:00:01:28: -!- oklofok changed the topic of #esoteric to: The coolest ever international hub for esoteric programming language design, development and deployment | http://esolangs.org/ | Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric < 1387754054 837719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i thought the welcome message was based on that old topic < 1387754065 822524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1387754075 969850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't read it in the stupid welcomes < 1387754084 987665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think for new people, we should stick to the standard `welcome < 1387754135 456899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should say "development" rather than "deployment". < 1387754145 168852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it even mean to deploy an esoteric programming language? < 1387754165 879045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you're deploying befunge, right? < 1387754166 478177 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't watch too many videos at home, somebody remind me to update my development platform, but hey, it's fun < 1387754182 963889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1387754183 328649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t repeat < 1387754184 363121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> [a] < 1387754201 23643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : we should really put that in the topic, but people prefer jokes for some reason < 1387754221 531914 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :we must never forget the importance of being unflinchingly humourless < 1387754239 924537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, though, it's basically impossible to use this channel for its intended purpose any more < 1387754247 702896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I consider social channels mostly uninteresting < 1387754265 982653 :jaydubzy!~jaywalker@c-76-124-107-5.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1387754278 733464 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mscs.dal.ca/~selinger/papers/qlambdabook.pdf < 1387754636 23884 :JM780!~JM@186.14.100.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387754683 130880 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello JM780 < 1387754683 588499 :JM780!~JM@186.14.100.142 QUIT :Client Quit < 1387754691 1510 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :goody JM780 < 1387755282 506330 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I've found that when someone starts discussing esolangs everyone else normally follows < 1387755318 232799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no, like one person normally follows, for like 5 minutes :-(