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01:15:30 <oerjan> `? olsner
01:15:31 <HackEgo> olsner seems to exist at least. He builds all his esolangs in diesel engines
01:15:45 <oerjan> `run sed -i 's/$/./' wisdom/olsner
01:15:48 <HackEgo> No output.
01:17:08 <oerjan> `? funpuns
01:17:10 <HackEgo> funpuns? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
01:17:20 <oerjan> `run echo hi | r12
01:17:21 <HackEgo> bash: r12: command not found
01:17:22 <oerjan> `run echo hi | r14
01:17:24 <HackEgo> bash: r14: command not found
01:17:33 <oerjan> how hard can it be to hit a 3 key
01:17:33 <Bike> oh no, you forgot to replace the end
01:17:44 <oerjan> `run echo hi | r13
01:17:45 <HackEgo> uv
01:17:47 <oerjan> Bike: wat
01:18:26 <oerjan> `run r13 <wisdom/shachaf >wisdom/funpun
01:18:27 <shachaf> i have /hilight funpuns, by the way
01:18:30 <HackEgo> No output.
01:18:36 <oerjan> `? funpuns
01:18:38 <HackEgo> funpuns fceø fbz fryyrev naq pbfcynlf Arcrgn Yrvwba ba jrrxraqf.
01:18:51 <oerjan> shachaf: good, good
01:19:30 <shachaf> oerjan: the trouble is that it doesn't adapt to changes in wisdom/shachaf
01:19:43 <oerjan> shachaf: hm.
01:19:46 <shachaf> so imo change bin/? instead
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01:20:00 <oerjan> i am doubtful.
01:20:30 <oerjan> it takes only so much more of this before ? has to do exponential search.
01:23:24 <oerjan> i mean it would need to turn "gur shachas" into the same thing, logically.
01:23:58 <shachaf> `? the oerjan
01:23:59 <HackEgo> the oerjan? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
01:24:24 <oerjan> no i haven't implemented an?/the removal in ?, for precisely the same reason.
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01:24:43 <oerjan> (it's in `learn though.)
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01:25:43 <oerjan> and what if someone tries fffsfsfsfsfsffs which logically should turn into the empty string, WHAT THEN
01:25:52 <oerjan> `?
01:25:53 <HackEgo> ​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
01:27:16 <oerjan> of course if you have general rot-n + s-removal, we can collapse most of wisdom.
01:28:21 <oerjan> `? madness
01:28:22 <HackEgo> madness? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
01:28:34 <oerjan> `learn madness lies thataway.
01:28:39 <HackEgo> I knew that.
01:29:08 <shachaf> `run ls wisdom/madness
01:29:10 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access wisdom/madness: No such file or directory
01:29:10 <shachaf> `run ls wisdom/madnes
01:29:12 <HackEgo> wisdom/madnes
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01:29:34 <oerjan> PROBLEM?
01:29:47 <shachaf> `? madnesses
01:29:48 <HackEgo> madnesses? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
01:30:07 <oerjan> `run mv wisdom/madnes{,s}
01:30:11 <HackEgo> No output.
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03:25:12 <lightquake> are there any esolangs where every sequence of input bytes is a valid program? discounting ones like Whitespace that just ignore the majority of bytes
03:25:34 <elliott> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Jot ?
03:25:36 <elliott> not byte-oriented, but
03:25:56 <elliott> http://esolangs.org/wiki/BCT too, I suppose
03:26:17 <elliott> admittedly, not as interesting as you might hope for for such a thing :/
03:27:27 <lightquake> well, you could make a language Jot' where a Jot' program is interpreted by converting the bytes to bits and then removing '10*' from the end
03:28:13 <elliott> sure, of course
03:28:23 <elliott> ...or even just require the number of bits to be divisible by eight...
03:28:36 <elliott> (probably still TC, I imagine, you should be able to construct some appropriate padding...)
03:28:42 <lightquake> right
03:29:02 <elliott> I seem to remember reading about more interesting languages like this? but I can't remember their names or anything
03:29:04 <lightquake> it would be very weird if it wasn't
03:29:35 <elliott> it would be kind of cute to have something that was more like a "regular" language with actual syntactical structure, but that had an overzealous enough error-correction mechanism that any random garbage did something.
03:29:57 <shachaf> `pastelogs ploki
03:29:57 <elliott> though you'd need it to be pretty weird to have interesting results from that, I guess.
03:30:00 <lightquake> (the thing that inspired this question was a post I read somewhere saying "Lisp has no syntax")
03:30:05 <elliott> lightquake: do machine codes of various kinds count?
03:30:17 <elliott> arguably nothing is "invalid" there, just some things cause the machine to triple fault or whatever.
03:30:23 <lightquake> haha
03:30:37 <Bike> lisp has no syntax <-- just ignore this
03:30:42 <elliott> oh. I forgot
03:30:43 <elliott> `relcome lightquake
03:30:45 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.14164
03:30:45 <Bike> anyway what about brainfuck (with bytes instad of characters)
03:30:47 <HackEgo> lightquake: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
03:30:59 <elliott> aww, who made relcome do per-word rainbows?
03:31:00 <shachaf> Bike: presumably it has the same issue as whitespace
03:31:04 <Bike> i guess you might... yeah
03:31:10 <elliott> it was so much prettier... uglier?... before
03:31:17 <Bike> prugly
03:31:22 <shachaf> Didn't mauke say something along the lines of everything is a valid ploki program?
03:31:25 <shachaf> Yes.
03:31:31 <shachaf> 2013-12-22.txt:06:49:05: <mauke> kmc: there is some documentation at http://mauke.hopto.org/stuff/ploki/ploki-
03:31:34 <shachaf> 2013-12-22.txt:06:49:16: <mauke> but like the rest of ploki, it's part of the practical joke
03:31:37 <shachaf> 2013-12-22.txt:06:50:16: <mauke> e.g. it's not obvious from the description of the syntax that ploki has literally no syntax errors
03:31:47 <shachaf> (site is down, like mauke)
03:32:22 <elliott> well, you can have kinds of errors other than syntax, of course
03:32:27 <elliott> they're just easier to avoid
03:32:37 <shachaf> ( http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/5015df0b9872/src/ploki/doc to the rescue)
03:32:40 <shachaf> Well, OK.
03:33:00 <kmc> i prefer per-word rainbows
03:33:07 <kmc> but i think i was too lazy to make that change myself
03:33:45 <elliott> lightquake: one downside of trying to make a language like this is that there's a lot of non-printable bytes
03:33:51 <elliott> but generally people like programs to be textual
03:33:57 <lightquake> sure
03:34:21 <elliott> so if it's a instruction-per-byte thing (kind of boring, but), either you add a bunch of unnecessary fluff in the non-printable bytes, or humans aren't really going to enjoy writing programs
03:35:03 <shachaf> Jot where you look at the last bit of every byte.
03:35:16 <shachaf> > ord '0' `mod` 2
03:35:18 <lambdabot> 0
03:35:57 <elliott> well, that's ignoring the majority of bits
03:35:58 <kmc> most processor architectures assign a meaning to every byte sequence
03:36:03 <elliott> though lightquake did say bytes, admittedly >_>
03:36:14 <shachaf> The original question was 19:11 <lightquake> is there an esolang where every sequence of characters/bytes (pick one) is a valid program?
03:36:14 <kmc> granted many of them will mean "jump to the invalid instruction interrupt handler" but that's still well-defined
03:36:35 <shachaf> But apparently the answer of "characters using a two-character alphabet" isn't good enough.
03:36:45 <kmc> beep boop
03:37:16 <elliott> well, the original question I saw was 03:25:12 <lightquake> are there any esolangs where every sequence of input bytes is a valid program? discounting ones like Whitespace that just ignore the majority of bytes
03:38:04 <lightquake> right, the original original was over in #haskell-blah
03:38:37 <elliott> thankfully my IRC client no longer shows me messages from #haskell-blah :)
03:38:41 <shachaf> one might ask why i'm still in #haskell-blah
03:38:51 <shachaf> it's more bearable nowadays with my 66-nick /ignore list
03:38:58 <shachaf> but at one point you might ask what the point is
03:39:17 <elliott> one might question why #esoteric continues to be #shachaf-complaining-about-#haskell...
03:39:30 <elliott> lightquake: anyway, I think this question is maybe more interesting in terms of non-esolangs
03:39:41 <elliott> since it does appear in the wild at least arguably for things like machine code
03:40:01 <elliott> I ran /dev/urandom as a http://esolangs.org/wiki/BytePusher program a bunch of times a while ago
03:40:02 <ion> Unintentional joke accent http://www.ted.com/talks/yves_morieux_as_work_gets_more_complex_6_rules_to_simplify.html
03:40:10 <elliott> sometimes there were vaguely interesting results
03:40:32 <ion> I have never felt the need to /ignore someone on #haskell*
03:42:11 <lightquake> elliott: that looks neat
03:44:38 <ion> What were the vaguely interesting results like?
03:46:35 <ion> Firefighters meet Snoop Dogg http://i.imgur.com/b3T3i3a.png
03:46:47 <Bike> started getting misspelled extracts from the pentagon papers
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03:55:08 <madbr> ion : ahahahahahaha
03:55:46 <quintopia> helliott
04:07:33 <lightquake> ion: reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvWEcfTzJts
04:09:00 <ion> lightquake: :-)
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04:15:57 <elliott> "Snoop Dogg was nabbed by a real "Snoop Dogg"" adorable
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04:18:18 <oerjan> all dogs are adorable, until they kill you. ok maybe not those in that competition.
04:18:54 <quintopia> yay dogs
04:19:39 <kmc> "Firefighters meet Snoop Dogg after alarm goes off in rapper's smoke-filled Melbourne hotel room"
04:19:46 <kmc> oh you jusnt said that
04:19:55 <kmc> 'A spokeswoman for the Metropolitan Fire Brigade says "smoke from an unidentified source" triggered the alarm in Snoop Dogg's room.'
04:20:19 <quintopia> lolllllllllllllll
04:20:20 <kmc> also i thought he was named snoop lion now
04:21:01 <oerjan> kmc: i wondered about that last time, apparently he varies it by genre or something
04:21:18 <Bike> yeah lion is reggae or something right
04:22:04 <kmc> ah
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05:51:57 <shachaf> kmc: with key = 'CBCdemonstration', iv = "\30063G\364`=\267\332\027\032$\252\266_V", plaintext = "HDR!JUNKNOW(16)!\371HY)m\245\016\322\226\303\206K\n\230\275\eNOP!DATANOW(12)!more text...END!"
05:52:17 <shachaf> enc_cbc(key, iv, plaintext) = "HDR!DATANOW(12)!hello there.END!\343\317/\214\003)\320\371\000\001r\345\200\035.!\207\335\356\b\267?]%k\315\357\016\244\366\034m"
05:52:36 <oerjan> now that's just crazy talk.
05:53:19 <shachaf> you can reproducei guess if you had padding you'd need to do a little more work but you can just use junk
05:55:18 <shachaf> kmc: http://slbkbs.org/im.rb
06:23:59 <zzo38> Is this consider to be a OK kind of C code if "enc_rle" is a global variable? if(enc_rle[i].data[0] && !enc_rle[rc].data[strlen(enc_rle[i].data)]) rc=i;
06:25:30 <madbr> in c++ you could namespace it to limit the damage
06:26:12 <zzo38> madbr: What damage, sorry I do not understand?
06:26:20 <madbr> well, namespace pollution
06:26:24 <zzo38> (It is a "static" global variable, though)
06:26:32 <madbr> oh
06:27:22 <zzo38> I am trying to compare the lengths of two strings that are stored in global variables (which are only ever written once)
06:28:49 <madbr> as long as you don't ever need two instances of that component you're fine I guess
06:29:18 <madbr> I guess the strings aren't std::string's either right? :D
06:29:30 <zzo38> madbr: It isn't; it is a C code, not C++.
06:30:20 <zzo38> Also, it is a standalone program.
06:32:38 <zzo38> I don't program in C++.
06:34:29 <zzo38> Neither C nor C++ nor any other programming language I know of supports the kind of +|^ operator that I have made up once, and often wanted to use.
06:34:47 <Bike> what is it and why does it have such a dumb name
06:36:13 <fizzie> I think it's the one that's equivalent to +, | or ^ when there are no bits that are 1 in both operands, and undefined otherwise. The point being that the implementation can pick the most efficient way.
06:36:34 <zzo38> It means that if x&y==0 then x+|^y==x+y, otherwise x+|^y is undefined.
06:37:10 <fizzie> +|^ is kind of a mouthful.
06:37:21 <shachaf> C does have that operator.
06:37:27 <shachaf> It's called +
06:38:39 <fizzie> Oh no, x+y is undefined if (x&y) != 0? All my code is so wrong!
06:39:28 <zzo38> fizzie: It isn't, but that is what the +|^ operator is for, so that it is.
06:40:23 <fizzie> Ah, but Mr. Chaf just said that's the same as +.
06:41:28 <shachaf> i mean that if you #define +|^ + it would behave exactly like zzo38's operator
06:41:47 <fizzie> shachaf: If you write x+y and the compiler can't prove (x&y) == 0, which sounds p. likely, it can't replace it with an or operator even if that would be faster.
06:41:51 <zzo38> But if (a&b)==0 then also a+b==(a|b)
06:41:57 <zzo38> shachaf: Won't that be a syntax error though?
06:46:51 <Sgeo> oh god i just had a horrible thought xml as a racket language
06:47:01 <Sgeo> I'm sure if Racket was more popular this would be a thing
06:47:17 <Sgeo> Which... for config files, it's still better than reading at runtime, but... still. eww
06:47:20 <Sgeo> eww.el
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07:34:47 <Sgeo> Are SNAP-qualified foods healthier than the average food?
07:35:04 <Sgeo> Wondering if that would be a good personal guideline on eating better
07:39:30 <kmc> interesting question
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07:40:23 <kmc> I would expect it to be politicized to hell
07:41:10 <kmc> politicans love to micromanage the poor because (being rich themselves) they're convinced that poorness is caused by moral failure that can only be solved by the guiding hand of the rich
07:41:21 <kmc> also because the ketchup lobby will spend big bucks to get ketchup on the list
07:41:49 <kmc> but I have zero knowledge of how the decisions are actually made
07:42:51 <kmc> I think you would be better off coming up with some basic nutritional goals (e.g. total calories, % from protein, % from fat) and looking at the labels that exist on every food
07:44:28 <zzo38> Once I played some computer game that had this mentioned: "I am 40. I am nothing. A snake makes this sound. And I drink this at 4:00." I managed to solve it but as far as I can tell it is probably supposed to say 50, not 40.
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07:45:01 <kmc> what? what is the solution?
07:46:21 <zzo38> Can you not figure it out? It isn't really so difficult, although I was confused by the 40 at first.
07:46:27 <kmc> something something hiss tea
07:47:02 <kmc> do snakes make other sounds? some of them rattle but not typical snakes
07:48:12 <zzo38> I don't know, but that isn't the point.
07:49:46 <kmc> what is the point?
07:50:02 <kmc> @snake_ebooks
07:55:22 <Bike> Sgeo: just a heads up, if you start a trend of better-off people "eating like the poor" i will hurt you.
07:56:33 <Bike> as for the actual question i half-remember that there are the usual dumb restrictions you get with these things
07:56:47 <Bike> you know, like red apples are ok but granny apples aren't for no reason, that kinda crap
07:57:57 <Bike> http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/eligible-food-items enjoying theh pumpkin note??
07:58:13 <Bike> "Items such as birthday and other special occasion cakes are eligible for purchase with SNAP benefits as long as the value of non-edible decorations does not exceed 50 percent of the purchase price of the cake."
07:58:51 <kmc> Bike: the worst is when rich people try to "eat for $1 a day" and talk about how easy it is (you know, as long as you can buy $100 of ingredients in bulk and have a well equipped kitchen and copious free time to cook and shop around)
07:59:31 <kmc> Bike: ah I see they closed the "birthday cake with a Playstation centerpiece" loophole
07:59:34 <Bike> couple months? years? back this congressman bought (had a staffer buy) snap stuff and was like WELL SHIT GUESS WE CAN CUT EVEN MORE
07:59:46 <Bike> had not been that angry at a person in a long time
08:00:18 <kmc> it's amazing that people with plenty of money to spare think that people who barely scrape by every day are the ones who are bad at managing money
08:00:51 <kmc> of course when banks are bad at managing money to the tune of billions, we gotta help them out
08:01:52 <Bike> i've seen too many daily show sketches about that to even care any more, i just kind of smolder
08:02:07 <Bike> napalm that fucking orchard
08:04:28 <kmc> https://medium.com/quinn-norton/f3db7e13e6e3
08:04:52 <kmc> "You're never going to save your way out of being poor unless you're willing to walk away from family and loved ones and let them suffer and sometimes die."
08:05:09 <Bike> man i know people who did that and are still fucked
08:05:37 <Bike> still good though. does "some scottish sci-fi authors" mean stross or what
08:05:49 <kmc> not sure who else
08:05:54 <Bike> i... don't think i can name any other scottish sci-fi authors
08:06:16 <kmc> well "money is a sign of poverty" is an iain banks quote i believe
08:10:48 <shachaf> which iain banks book should i read, again
08:11:10 <kmc> my secret shame is that I've not read any of them
08:14:51 <shachaf> what is the difference between a secret shame and a nonsecret shame
08:15:04 <shachaf> @ask phantom_hoover which iain banks book should i read, again
08:15:04 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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08:19:54 <oerjan> kmc: btw zzo38's puzzle _is_ easy (with 50 instead of 40) hth
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08:24:32 <shachaf> oerjan: are you sure it's easy
08:24:41 <oerjan> quite sure
08:25:07 <shachaf> if it's easy then why don't i know the answer by now
08:25:43 <oerjan> it's because you're failing the turing test hth
08:26:21 <shachaf> if something isn't easy for computers then it's not truly easy
08:26:45 <oerjan> that's just what a computer would say.
08:58:34 <shachaf> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2014/01/todays-outage-for-several-google.html
09:15:21 <Sgeo> I should try defining $setter in Kernel, where ($setter foo) is a function that will mutate foo
09:18:08 <Sgeo> ($define! ($vau (sym) env ($lambda (new) (eval (list $set! env sym new) (get-current-environment)))))
09:18:10 <Sgeo> Not tested yet
09:18:12 <Sgeo> oops
09:19:33 <Sgeo> ($define! $setter ($vau (sym) env ($lambda (new) (eval (list $set! env sym new) (get-current-environment)))))
09:19:36 <Sgeo> Seems to work
09:19:49 <Sgeo> Oh, no
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09:25:31 <Bike> wat.
09:26:17 <Sgeo> new can get double-evaluated
09:26:40 <Bike> no i mean the whole thing. what does setting a variable outside of an environment even mean.
09:28:13 <Bike> ($vau (sym env) dyn ($let ((env (eval env dyn))) ($lambda (val) (eval (list $set! env sym val) (make-environment))))) or some shit like that
09:30:12 <Bike> https://24.media.tumblr.com/f558a070cf4e473ee3053f39b0974a27/tumblr_mzy672mzBK1s71q1zo1_500.png do not disengage
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11:09:01 <Slereah_> THE AXIS OF EVAL
11:10:56 <Taneb> Last night I had a dream that someone wrote such bad Haskell code he accidentally summoned the Great Old Ones and I had to fix the Haskell code and save the day
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11:24:15 <shachaf> was it me
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12:06:05 <FreeFull> Taneb: What did the code look like?
12:06:31 <Taneb> Dunno
12:10:39 <FreeFull> Probably was written in EBCDIC
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15:06:04 <Vorpal> I am disappointed. WolframAlpha doesn't know the volume of a CF card. Nor a SD or MicroSD card.
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15:18:10 <int-e> wikipedia lists dimensions, at least
15:18:22 <int-e> (I only looked at the CF card page)
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15:36:06 <fizzie> Vorpal: It does know about SD and MicroSD cards.
15:36:33 <fizzie> Vorpal: If you type in "microsd volume", the input interpretation is "SD card form factors", and the result is a table for SD, miniSD and microSD.
15:36:47 <fizzie> Containing length, width, thickness, area, volume, weight and number of pins.
15:37:22 <fizzie> I haven't figured out the right magic words for a CF card, though. If there are any.
15:38:28 <fizzie> It probably doesn't "properly" know the volume of one kind of card, though, if you wanted to e.g. divide something by it. (I've used the Wikipedia numbers for that, earlier.)
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16:29:15 <Vorpal> fizzie, oh? I tried "volume of microsd"
16:30:00 <Vorpal> fizzie, I wanted to figure out how much storage you would be able to fit into a SSD by filling it with 64 GB MicroSD
16:39:04 <fizzie> (Heh, "CF card form factor" is interpreted as a comparison of three publicly traded companies, "CF Industries (CF)", "Cardio3 Biosciences (CARD)" and "FormFactor (FORM)".
16:41:27 <int-e> nice :)
16:41:33 <int-e> I love smart software.
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16:51:23 <Vorpal> fizzie, the answer btw is ~33.07 TB I think
16:51:26 <Vorpal> bbl food
16:55:32 <int-e> Message in a bottle, hmm.
16:56:51 <kmc> are we playing "how much data can I fit up my nose"?
16:57:26 <kmc> `addquote <Taneb> Last night I had a dream that someone wrote such bad Haskell code he accidentally summoned the Great Old Ones and I had to fix the Haskell code and save the day
16:57:32 <HackEgo> 1163) <Taneb> Last night I had a dream that someone wrote such bad Haskell code he accidentally summoned the Great Old Ones and I had to fix the Haskell code and save the day
16:58:03 <int-e> http://news.co.cr/28000-rubber-ducks-teach-us-about-our-ocean-systems/10534/ -- I wonder what could be done if each of them had a couple of micro SD cards.
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17:03:05 <zzo38> Added in "dream.txt" now.
17:03:13 <coppro> Taneb: because fising the code made the Great Old Ones go away?
17:03:22 <Taneb> coppro, yes
17:03:41 <kmc> fisting the code??
17:03:51 <oerjan> he probably just renamed the HasTur data type.
17:05:55 <zzo38> It is case-sensitive, and the name is specified in ASCII, so I won't expect that part of it at least to be a problem unless conflicting with other libraries, and in such a case there probably is badly written code somewhere in the system anyways.
17:06:15 <coppro> *fixing
17:06:39 <int-e> Taneb: hint: never call unsafeAl'whya_al_Cthulhu_fhatagan_K'kili'far_al_is_ar'arkas_fal_dep'wa
17:06:46 <zzo38> Or do you prefer fisting the code?
17:07:07 <zzo38> Rather than fixing it?
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17:07:31 <oerjan> zzo38: are you not familiar with the Hastur meme
17:07:52 <zzo38> oerjan: But you wrote HasTur, not Hastur, and since it is case-sensitive it is OK.
17:08:05 <coppro> oerjan: I am not
17:08:19 <luser0> Is this the Eastern States Standard Oil programming room?
17:08:21 <coppro> also, it annoys me when people use 'Cthulhu ftahgn' in inappropriate contexts
17:08:33 <coppro> *fhtagn
17:08:41 <oerjan> i am not sure if hastur cares about capitalization.
17:08:43 <Taneb> luser0, no that's #essoteric on irc.dal.net
17:09:01 <luser0> TY Taner
17:09:16 <oerjan> coppro: well the idea is that it is an elder god so powerful that it knows when someone refers to its name... and may decide to show up.
17:09:36 <coppro> oerjan: ok...
17:09:50 <luser0> what tags are needed for fhagn outs?
17:09:55 <oerjan> although i vaguely recall it may be a d&d thing rather than an actual cthulhu mythos thing
17:10:01 <coppro> it doesn't have a page on knowyourmeme
17:10:02 <int-e> coppro: sorry. the main point was that it is a valid Haskell identifier.
17:10:13 <oerjan> coppro: it's too old to have a page there
17:10:22 <Taneb> zzo38, where is dreams.txt?
17:10:36 <int-e> `` locate locate
17:10:37 <HackEgo> bash: locate: command not found
17:10:40 <luser0> the old ones were before Haskell, I do not believe it; prove it
17:10:47 <zzo38> Taneb: No, it is called "dream.txt"
17:10:57 <Taneb> zzo38, okay, but where can I find it?
17:11:10 <zzo38> Taneb: http://zzo38computer.org/misc/weird_dream/dream.txt
17:11:12 <Taneb> Is it publicly available?
17:11:16 <coppro> int-e: fair
17:11:17 <Taneb> Thank you
17:11:18 <oerjan> luser0: are you secretly hastur showing up because we talk about you?
17:11:30 <coppro> int-e: I just get annoyed at people who think fhtagn means 'rises' or 'wakes' or something
17:11:33 <coppro> it means 'sleeps'
17:11:36 <luser0> no, I am a perl program that smells like a cow
17:12:20 <luser0> moo
17:13:37 <int-e> luser0: what's your state on this scale: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/cow ?
17:14:10 <luser0> is that 0-3; i must be about a five
17:16:06 <luser0> when you are in the quick sand so deep just wait for the barrels to rise
17:17:39 <luser0> and so, plenty of overhead
17:19:32 <oerjan> coppro: http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?140676-Summoning-Hastur has a discussion
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17:39:54 <zzo38> I have seen probably more than one different MIME type used for C source codes.
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19:51:06 <Sgeo> I think the Racket devs think having a cohesive community that can talk to each other can solve all problems. Which sounds great until the community gets larger
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20:12:48 <zzo38> Can you play Sirlin's Puzzle Strike and Yomi games?
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20:19:11 <Sgeo> http://www.fark.com/comments/8115704/The-Iowa-GOP-takes-national-partys-outreach-efforts-to-grassroots-level-by-posting-a-thigh-slappingly-hi-larious-is-someone-a-racist-flowchart-on-its-Facebook-page
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20:35:59 <fizzie> V. fancy, an Android tablet internetted just like that, out of the box, when I plugged it to wired Ethernet (via a cheapo USB Ethernet dongle and an USB OTG cable).
20:36:29 <fizzie> Though I could find no place in the menus where it'd have said any details about the network connection was using.
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21:27:22 <kmc> Sgeo: just technical problems or does that include community problems too
21:28:25 <kmc> fizzie: sometimes things work just because they forgot to remove the parts that make them work
21:28:45 <kmc> my friend says USB keyboards work on iOS for similar reasons
21:28:50 <kmc> Darwin supports them and nobody bothered removing it
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21:43:42 <Sgeo> kmc: I'm thinking specifically of packages with conflicting module names
21:44:10 <Sgeo> I'd call that a primarily technical problem
21:50:17 <Sgeo> o.O Chicken Scheme once had an SRFI 72 egg but no longer does
21:50:18 <Sgeo> :/
21:59:46 <Sgeo> I wonder if racket-langs is more appropriate than racket-lang
21:59:57 <kmc> heh
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22:10:10 <Sgeo> Racket 5.92 was released
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22:31:00 <fizzie> The USB dongle actually mentions Android on the list of things-it-works-on, now that I look at the packaging.
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23:13:49 <fizzie> I don't a understand, but cpufreq frequency scaling has stopped a-working. The "ondemand" governor seems to no longer exist, and the "conservative" one just doesn't appear in the cpufreq-info or /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors lists, even after manully modprobing it; the module loads, but does nothing.
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23:24:37 <fizzie> Also cpufreq-info et al. are saying it's using the "powersave" governor, but the speed is still stuck at the highest possible.
23:27:20 <fizzie> Apparently something has switched from acpi_cpufreq to intel_pstate, which is so different.
23:29:09 <fizzie> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58801 it's something vaguely like that.
23:42:14 <zzo38> Maybe you need to set the minimum speed setting then?
23:42:58 <fizzie> The minimum was already set to the hardware minimum.
23:43:22 <fizzie> I guess it's just doing what it wants to do.
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