< 1390867405 11865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : is there another name for functions f such that f(0) = 0 < 1390867406 166309 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think they actually... matter that much < 1390867425 682375 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how cruel. < 1390867493 247890 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1390867521 941387 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean they're just a constant addition away from every other function < 1390867665 130921 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am looking forward to the future < 1390867694 696678 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, will you come to York to my "How to make an esolang without really trying" talk, wherein I make an esolang in front of a live audience? < 1390867710 778190 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make it sound like you were sawing a lady in half < 1390867731 3902 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I'll be doing that too (no I won't) < 1390867761 311970 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :behold, the amazing ngevdello and his dancing exec bits! < 1390867958 307455 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey VCs / lunatics / 1%ers, kristallnac.ht is available for registration" < 1390868059 525736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1390868128 308979 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you are the channel regular who is most likely to attend other than me < 1390868484 221957 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.130.94 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1390868574 123200 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh it's thursday isn't it < 1390868581 294470 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is... an awkward day for me to go to york < 1390868599 661506 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok like what specific date < 1390869988 428579 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :20th of February < 1390869992 435523 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 19:30 < 1390870886 401760 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i can actually make that provided i don't carelessly agree to do something more important < 1390870972 185185 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1390871031 212256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: have you considered new york instead < 1390871037 869351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's new < 1390871045 652560 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, call me old-fashioned, but I prefer this one < 1390871223 165099 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1390871396 381850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390872437 691106 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390872952 840665 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390874007 803177 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390874132 620022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lena Dunham having her own unsympathetic character on her own TV show deliver an annoying multi-minute rant in praise of Gawker and Jezebel is probably the sickest burn I've seen on TV < 1390874329 823948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390875250 241586 :namaskar_!~namaskar@host86-178-188-154.range86-178.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1390879045 585473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you know the number of km in a mile is equal to φ to within 0.5% < 1390879055 464570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are approx fib(n+1) km in fib(n) miles < 1390879270 190118 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1390879935 780301 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1390880723 839814 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spiffy. < 1390882773 209052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yep, that's my usual heuristic < 1390883174 712195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also did you know that Dunning and Kruger showed a *positive* correlation between perceived and actual ability? < 1390883177 715382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.talyarkoni.org/blog/2010/07/07/what-the-dunning-kruger-effect-is-and-isnt/ < 1390883341 431312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I think I learned that here < 1390883348 398996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a conversation you were part of < 1390883350 960147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray for logs < 1390884108 977399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i the meta-dunning-kruger effect: people who make stronger claims about the dunning-kruger effect know less about it < 1390885072 3571 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :til: the dunning-kruger effect had to do with people called dunning and kruger < 1390885079 626668 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi NICK :oklopol < 1390885345 3735 :v^!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:55a1:4e69:8f3a:ad23 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif < 1390886339 177710 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390886372 243066 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390886609 156652 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1390886943 185576 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1390886974 842267 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1390889103 102470 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone has gross code from vidya games, tell @ibogost < 1390889136 8549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like a job for ais523 < 1390889867 423214 :guardianx!~guardian@120.29.5.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390890199 205463 :guardianx!~guardian@120.29.5.222 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1390890235 817878 :guardianx!~guardian@120.29.5.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390890240 692688 :guardianx!~guardian@120.29.5.222 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1390890270 237137 :guardianx!~guardian@120.29.5.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390890274 462288 :guardianx!~guardian@120.29.5.222 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1390890432 944653 :guardianx!~guardian@120.29.5.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390890551 122499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1390891052 126817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i go for longer passwords using only lowercase letters < 1390891112 492892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: someone suggested that "relevant" could mean f(0) = 0 <-- hm, plausible < 1390891164 410427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: some sites won't accept that, i hear < 1390891198 491248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but you can add decoy symbols for those < 1390891217 254604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: should an infinite series like sine be considered relevant < 1390891265 378387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm then you would want to expand the concept to analytic functions. < 1390891334 869455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know about 6502 unofficial opcodes? < 1390891386 846265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well if relevant is to mean something different from linear, it needs to apply to some non-affine functions. < 1390891462 856035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, f(x)=x^2 or something < 1390891485 271135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this apply to just any function between vector spaces such that f(0)=0 or do you need something more < 1390891522 677721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm oh if it's vector spaces it gets even weirder. < 1390891541 964638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well wasn't that the point < 1390891559 379131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you were talking about how you couldn't generalize those polynomials to n-dimensional vector spaces < 1390891561 262090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1390891824 533876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the phrase "origin-preserving" does appear in some places < 1390891830 862427 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i've heard of em < 1390891832 620052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"any origin-preserving isometry is a linear map" < 1390891986 770684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well isometry is stronger than affine < 1390892014 561869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1390892398 353356 :namaskar_!~namaskar@host86-178-188-154.range86-178.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1390892412 249737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink mile -> km < 1390892421 74993 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :25146/15625 (exactly 1.609344) < 1390892441 30306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (sqrt 5 + 1)/2 < 1390892442 134323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.618033988749895 < 1390892497 813327 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool how on one level that's "less than 1% different" and on another it's "pointless coincidence" < 1390892538 384050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix$(0:).scanl(+)1 < 1390892539 336988 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,... < 1390892565 862987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix$(1:).scanl(+)1 < 1390892566 862961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,17... < 1390892607 555623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> zipWith(flip(/))`ap`tail$fix$(1:).scanl(+)1 < 1390892608 580776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.0,2.0,1.5,1.6666666666666667,1.6,1.625,1.6153846153846154,1.6190476190476... < 1390892641 646854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> drop 6$zipWith(flip(/))`ap`tail$fix$(1:).scanl(+)1 < 1390892642 779319 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.6153846153846154,1.619047619047619,1.6176470588235294,1.6181818181818182,... < 1390892689 445560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok there isn't even a much better fibonacci quotient. < 1390892702 565539 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a what < 1390892742 304636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a F(n+1)/F(n) that's a better approximation than phi itself. < 1390892766 416874 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was exactly phi, in the limit < 1390892769 314478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*much better < 1390892778 607213 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, i see, ok < 1390892782 595013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i'm talking about the mile -> km conversion < 1390892793 139928 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i geti tnow < 1390892794 769159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose 1.6153846153846154 is the closest one < 1390892842 49356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 21/13 < 1390892843 87883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.6153846153846154 < 1390892852 533466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 20/13 < 1390892853 530226 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.5384615384615385 < 1390893008 647717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cf x | isInfinite x = [] | otherwise = f : cf (1/(x-f)) where f = fromIntegral$floor x in cf (25146/15625) :: Rational < 1390893009 764236 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type `[a1]' < 1390893009 918570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with `GHC.Real.Ratio GHC.Integer.Type.Integer' < 1390893009 918718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: GHC.Real.Rational < 1390893009 918808 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: [a1] < 1390893026 854801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cf x | isInfinite x = [] | otherwise = f : cf (1/(x-f)) where f = fromIntegral$floor x in cf (25146/15625 :: Rational) < 1390893027 789049 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Float.RealFloat GHC.Real.Rational) < 1390893027 943482 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `cf' < 1390893027 977625 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: < 1390893027 977719 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : add an instance declaration for < 1390893027 977809 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (GHC.Float.RealFloat GHC.Real.Rational) < 1390893031 563946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1390893061 516102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cf x | f == x = [f] | otherwise = f : cf (1/(x-f)) where f = fromIntegral$floor x in cf (25146/15625 :: Rational) < 1390893062 561354 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1 % 1,1 % 1,1 % 1,1 % 1,1 % 1,3 % 1,1 % 1,2 % 1,7 % 1,1 % 1,1 % 1,15 % 1] < 1390893148 614761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cf x | d == 0 = [f] | otherwise = f : cf (1/d) where f = floor x; d = x - fromIntegral f in cf (25146/15625 :: Rational) < 1390893149 647964 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,1,1,1,3,1,2,7,1,1,15] < 1390893196 885247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1+(1/(1+1/(1+1/(1+1/(1))))) :: Rational < 1390893197 958469 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8 % 5 < 1390893219 111527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1+(1/(1+1/(1+1/(1+1/(3))))) :: Rational < 1390893220 84256 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18 % 11 < 1390893244 10960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 18/11 < 1390893245 37077 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.6363636363636365 < 1390893266 22812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1390893277 309402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1+(1/(1+1/(1+1/(1+1/(1+1/3))))) :: Rational < 1390893278 397330 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 29 % 18 < 1390893282 736803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 29/18 < 1390893283 752072 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.6111111111111112 < 1390893298 721186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1+(1/(1+1/(1+1/(1+1/(2))))) :: Rational < 1390893299 826150 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13 % 8 < 1390893314 41405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 13/8 < 1390893315 283798 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.625 < 1390893329 168835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (\x->1+1/x) (1::Rational) < 1390893330 221261 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1 % 1,2 % 1,3 % 2,5 % 3,8 % 5,13 % 8,21 % 13,34 % 21,55 % 34,89 % 55,144 % ... < 1390893370 391990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map numerator $ iterate (\x->1/(1+x)) (1::Rational) < 1390893371 302633 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,17... < 1390893533 171078 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-22787.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1390893533 675879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> minimumBy (comparing $ \(m,n) -> abs $ m/n - 25146/15625)) [(m,n) | n <- [1..20], m <- [0..40]] < 1390893534 841347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:58: parse error on input `)' < 1390893537 886327 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone wanna whip up a haskell solution to counting the number of brainfuck programs with matching brackets without . and , < 1390893550 576034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> minimumBy (comparing $ \(m,n) -> abs $ m/n - 25146/15625) [(m,n) | n <- [1..20], m <- [0..40]] < 1390893551 659302 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (29.0,18.0) < 1390893572 591891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sortBy (comparing $ \(m,n) -> abs $ m/n - 25146/15625) [(m,n) | n <- [1..20], m <- [0..40]] < 1390893573 569234 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(29.0,18.0),(21.0,13.0),(8.0,5.0),(16.0,10.0),(24.0,15.0),(32.0,20.0),(13.0... < 1390893601 19537 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like p(n) = 4p(n-1) + sum_{i = 0}^{n-2} p(i) p(n-i-2) < 1390893613 583242 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do this with list magic < 1390893629 923483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sortBy (comparing $ \x -> abs $ x - 25146/15625) $ (sqrt 5 + 1)/2 : [m/n | n <- [1..20], m <- [0..40]] < 1390893631 181954 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.6111111111111112,1.6153846153846154,1.618033988749895,1.6,1.6,1.6,1.6,1.6... < 1390893647 185542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (sqrt 5 + 1)/2 < 1390893648 202784 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.618033988749895 < 1390893699 447308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sortBy (comparing $ \x -> abs $ x - 25146/15625) $ (sqrt 5 + 1)/2 : [m/n | n <- [1..50], m <- [0..100]] < 1390893700 453955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.6097560975609757,1.608695652173913,1.608695652173913,1.6111111111111112,1... < 1390893714 413188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1390893727 966913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :phi seems to do pretty well in the comparison. < 1390893773 676554 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1390893841 382213 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :220284348986588570109202836338028914428611773535981066182485818891641176575745435677614245375605705664256074439978888016219589144792715586214584933803945623110548077752330775651922506462688159269237015622883861450993208900404333264 < 1390893845 537918 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs of length 300 < 1390893848 725802 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :says python < 1390893864 857415 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i got up to 5000 or so) < 1390893871 815113 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(then it gets a bit slow) < 1390894098 994020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you are already memoizing already you couldn't possibly get to 5000 < 1390894110 962740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*otherwise < 1390894129 921044 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1390894173 36780 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also tried out a c bignum library, and got up to 50 or something < 1390894185 642871 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in 15 minutes) < 1390894192 531853 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :python give 1000 in a few seconds < 1390894223 425024 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably i just did something stupid because i sort of suck at c) < 1390894231 392094 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gives < 1390894275 91264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure i've done catalan numbers as a list thing in haskell before but i cannot quite remember how i did that awkward sum. < 1390894315 582788 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheres the SymbolicCombinatoric module < 1390894329 757839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I figured out on Astrolog when is Chinese New Year. < 1390894345 320099 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this is the number of dyck words with extra symbols < 1390894351 356843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think it has already been this year? < 1390894366 671489 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sort of catalan numbers < 1390894383 481870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no it's in 3 days < 1390894394 490394 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No. It is later (if the Chinese timezone is used, I think Jan.31) < 1390894642 890156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a diagram to show you how to calculate when is Chinese New Year (the diagram is not displaying the data for this year though): http://zzo38computer.org/img_14/chinese-new-year.png < 1390894905 241121 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks reasonable < 1390894925 925067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> inits [1..] < 1390894927 189283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[],[1],[1,2],[1,2,3],[1,2,3,4],[1,2,3,4,5],[1,2,3,4,5,6],[1,2,3,4,5,6,7],[1... < 1390895009 921162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let p = 1 : zipWith (+) (map (*4) p) (map (sum . zipWith (*) p . reverse) (inits p)) in p < 1390895010 932471 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,4,17,76,354,1704,8421,42508,218318,1137400,5996938,31940792,171605956,928... < 1390895034 270557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are those correct < 1390895035 885751 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks correct < 1390895045 210757 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks! let's see < 1390895047 101276 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also < 1390895058 857874 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let p = 1 : zipWith (+) (map (*4) p) (map (sum . zipWith (*) p . reverse) (inits p)) in p; p !! 20 < 1390895059 914486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:90: parse error on input `;' < 1390895062 170139 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1390895077 852883 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : > let p = 1 : zipWith (+) (map (*4) p) (map (sum . zipWith (*) p . reverse) (inits p)) in p !! 20 < 1390895089 171663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :space < 1390895093 536103 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let p = 1 : zipWith (+) (map (*4) p) (map (sum . zipWith (*) p . reverse) (inits p)) in p !! 20 < 1390895094 528486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 146681521121244 < 1390895096 844681 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. < 1390895099 82925 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let p = 1 : zipWith (+) (map (*4) p) (map (sum . zipWith (*) p . reverse) (inits p)) in p !! 1000 < 1390895100 432584 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1851699348848864557490460908252351435791528503792571199732642872987429667855... < 1390895105 796848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1390895115 935535 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1851699348848864557490460908252351435791528503792571199732642872987429667855741056388118709506982301095273520239166445812465897225719714673518034688729346409566576494246766257017500088160821295706471401620743174768643242408712933258876221056914708216651234496955612303387531937013570229817305356203053671545992668489792589165268920056950337807083735642100968509541109361559746272395310718713159517363957691130968711391511344404455840470000377647503645773 < 1390895116 89547 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :009181430981878971527595122036960829733406983371159554875983183416111068844077682114144155308181843356898547292029738655566107038367415868264323343437633171416678659424310520616791395366627206645082341823517027845344762094860602519075347723961239585700915967561030319441407129604596884739279594357333381658012980964032832 < 1390895119 952879 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what i got < 1390895152 784603 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you time that? < 1390895242 356385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1390895249 930939 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let p = 1 : zipWith (+) (map (*4) p) (map (sum . zipWith (*) p . reverse) (inits p)) in p !! 1000 < 1390895251 469153 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1851699348848864557490460908252351435791528503792571199732642872987429667855... < 1390895263 22101 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1390895263 176390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does look pretty fast < 1390895277 242565 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let p = 1 : zipWith (+) (map (*4) p) (map (sum . zipWith (*) p . reverse) (inits p)) in (p !! 1000 + p !! 1000 + p !! 1000 +p !! 1000 +p !! 1000) < 1390895280 697202 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9258496744244322787452304541261757178957642518962855998663214364937148339278... < 1390895288 317458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although for real timing you'd want to compile it properly i assume < 1390895296 594879 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1390895315 559060 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let p = 1 : zipWith (+) (map (*4) p) (map (sum . zipWith (*) p . reverse) (inits p)) in p !! 3000 < 1390895319 179541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1390895321 571393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1390895322 843805 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let p = 1 : zipWith (+) (map (*4) p) (map (sum . zipWith (*) p . reverse) (inits p)) in p !! 2000 < 1390895326 445084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1390895329 60599 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let p = 1 : zipWith (+) (map (*4) p) (map (sum . zipWith (*) p . reverse) (inits p)) in p !! 1500 < 1390895331 856046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1200860333331673794565127667310636780014056128877285462588690504707901944941... < 1390895341 913514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'main = let p = 1 : zipWith (+) (map (*4) p) (map (sum . zipWith (*) p . reverse) (inits p)) in ' >Test.hs < 1390895345 376116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1390895345 557347 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1390895365 683634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'main = let p = 1 : zipWith (+) (map (*4) p) (map (sum . zipWith (*) p . reverse) (inits p)) in print $ p !! 1000' >Test.hs < 1390895369 226144 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1390895379 888300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -O2 Test.hs < 1390895384 817967 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[1 of 1] Compiling Main ( Test.hs, Test.o ) \ \ Test.hs:1:83: \ Not in scope: `inits' \ Perhaps you meant `init' (imported from Prelude) < 1390895388 327131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1390895402 560029 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooops. < 1390895405 761640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'import Data.List(inits);main = let p = 1 : zipWith (+) (map (*4) p) (map (sum . zipWith (*) p . reverse) (inits p)) in print $ p !! 1000' >Test.hs < 1390895409 319756 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1390895411 851903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -O2 Test.hs < 1390895412 163020 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1390895414 648029 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1390895434 788769 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[1 of 1] Compiling Main ( Test.hs, Test.o ) \ Linking Test ... < 1390895445 193449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which time < 1390895446 416704 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1390895458 205730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember how to do timing < 1390895460 668661 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run time echo is it a shell command < 1390895462 48162 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a shell command \ \ real 0m0.002s \ user 0m0.000s \ sys 0m0.000s < 1390895487 580447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run time ./Test < 1390895491 38239 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :18516993488488645574904609082523514357915285037925711997326428729874296678557410563881187095069823010952735202391664458124658972257197146735180346887293464095665764942467662570175000881608212957064714016207431747686432424087129332588762210569147082166512344969556123033875319370135702298173053562030536715459926684897925891652689200569503378070837356 < 1390895497 27607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run time ./Test | tail -1 < 1390895500 807327 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :18516993488488645574904609082523514357915285037925711997326428729874296678557410563881187095069823010952735202391664458124658972257197146735180346887293464095665764942467662570175000881608212957064714016207431747686432424087129332588762210569147082166512344969556123033875319370135702298173053562030536715459926684897925891652689200569503378070837356 < 1390895503 450426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1390895521 466596 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :output wants to be free < 1390895540 660795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run time ./Test >/dev/null | tail -1 < 1390895544 230737 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ real 0m2.075s \ user 0m2.000s \ sys 0m0.400s < 1390895557 59052 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1390895558 796686 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1390895610 719805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, what sort of character encoding is this. It looks like latin-1 except all non-ascii letters have the wrong case. < 1390895661 444922 :guardianx!~guardian@120.29.5.222 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390895666 953148 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; I can't see it. < 1390895673 298100 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with zzo38 < 1390895683 832470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1390895698 740666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd share it but it's Top Secret. < 1390895715 807486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's not as simple as the wrong case. < 1390895727 204368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a 0xc8 (latin-1 for È) for 'é', for example. < 1390895783 948430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 0x89 for ä, and 0x88 for ö. I suppose those might be enough to find it, but I don't know of a good tool to look up character sets by example. < 1390895804 441404 :aergus!~aergus@pptp-212-201-72-74.pptp.stw-bonn.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1390895807 503758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't someone put one in HackEgo < 1390895899 199153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For context, it's a CSV export of people registered on a course from the University course administration system. < 1390895920 775568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what character encoding it is. < 1390895949 211863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google ancient finnish encodings < 1390895950 245182 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Character_Encoding_Recommendation_for_Languages < 1390895950 399827 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Character Encoding Recommendation for Languages at Scratchpad, the home of te... < 1390895991 454422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the seven-bit Finnish one, I know that much. < 1390896002 325528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not even a legacy system. Though I guess it could be built on one. < 1390896005 406406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok}y < 1390896106 231227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, I'll just tr it; the only special characters in it seem to be é, ä and ö. But it's still strange. < 1390896141 808875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you can easily convert to Latin-1 or CP437 or whatever, if that is the only non-ASCII characters it includes < 1390896156 885178 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it would still help to know what character set it really is. < 1390896220 533736 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good \'e\"a\"o morning < 1390896514 441206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried iconv -l | while read cs; do if [ "$(printf '\x89\x88\xc8' | iconv -f $cs -t utf8)" = "äöé" ]; then echo $cs; fi; done 2>/dev/null but it found nothing. (And the same command with the latin-1 bytes does found all kinds of compatible character sets.) < 1390897050 358946 :namaskar_!~namaskar@host86-178-188-154.range86-178.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1390897089 766102 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1390897136 304836 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390897246 289124 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1390897269 733701 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1390897275 137182 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1390897573 775963 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Changing host < 1390897573 930006 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1390897589 384517 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PART :#esoteric < 1390897919 185567 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lisptips.com/post/31567007407/putting-the-r-in-repl < 1390897930 439213 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I be sad that the equivalent of this works in Racket? < 1390898125 776746 :aergus!~aergus@pptp-212-201-72-74.pptp.stw-bonn.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390898412 197869 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1390899247 57052 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the GOP finally has an alternative plan. It sucks, but at least it exists < 1390899247 781300 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/196504-gop-senators-push-obamacare-alternative < 1390899291 355512 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The CARE Act would require insurers to offer policies to anyone who has proof of “continuous coverage,” along with protections for those who lose their health plans for any reason. But those with pre-existing conditions who fail to maintain continuous coverage at any time could be denied coverage." < 1390899331 900696 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my friends is learning Clojure and keeps asking for my help because I know Haskell and it's all functional programming, right? and I can mostly set him on the right path but I worry that I'm gonna tell him something that is not very Clojure-y < 1390899355 313904 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is this continuous coverage starting sometime after the implementation date? If so, that would certainly fix the obvious idiocy, and some of the criticisms on Fark < 1390899424 352319 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's still problematic, one mistake and you're trapped off insurance forever? < 1390899455 777693 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I am suddenly thinking of an FRP web framework < 1390899466 336585 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could that work? I dunno, I guess probably yeah < 1390899490 635889 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it provide any significant advantage? < 1390899492 868581 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno < 1390899499 806078 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I have breakfast now? Yes < 1390899783 898755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: sorry, do us europeans it'll look idiotic regardless. even obamacare. hth. < 1390900165 201807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to < 1390900697 943033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390902654 28448 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.158.25 QUIT :Quit: itsy < 1390905139 741515 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2014/01/stephen-hawkings-blunder-on-black-holes-shows-danger-of-listening-to-scientists-says-bachmann.html < 1390905271 539698 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "keywords: humor" < 1390905297 300799 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it’s satire. < 1390905694 322187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... almost funny! almost. < 1390906469 262270 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1390907588 736705 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390907613 160691 :namaskar_!~namaskar@host86-178-188-154.range86-178.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1390907635 242954 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1390908594 975650 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it < 1390909615 892581 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so Hawkings writes that black holes don't have an event horizon as such; no information is lost when matter crosses it, and it's precise boundary is fluctuating rather than a sphere. < 1390909671 974396 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that the "blunder" is an actual quote, having found no reliably looking source for it. < 1390909694 865518 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :reliable looking? grammar is hard. < 1390909983 145039 :namaskar_!~namaskar@host86-178-188-154.range86-178.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1390910312 501802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think the story is that Hawking spent years of his life trying to work out where information went when it fell into a black hole, and then eventually concluded that the problem didn't exist in the first place < 1390910417 458713 :aergus!~aergus@pptp-212-201-72-74.pptp.stw-bonn.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1390910451 844892 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.158.25 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1390910592 636656 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So he does write that there are no black holes ... in a specific sense: "The absence of event horizons mean that there are no black holes - in the sense of regimes from which light can’t escape to infinity." < 1390910876 703253 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Right. But that doesn't sound like mainstream news to me. < 1390911316 117265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thus, it's satire < 1390911761 838539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1390911916 848493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: actually, complex numbers can be totally ordered via alternating digits in the decimal expansion < 1390911921 438048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :between the real and imaginary part < 1390911923 193416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*parts < 1390911931 715998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a stupid total ordering, but it obeys all the requirements to be a total ordering < 1390912501 166025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a total ordering, but it doesn't make complex numbers an ordered field, right? (I can't figure out what that was a response to.) < 1390912671 781114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it doesn't add or multiply properly < 1390912680 908243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was a response to an edit summary on the wiki < 1390912699 917624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that explains why grepping the logs wasn't so useful. < 1390912795 576827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't normally consider myself bound by communication medium when quoting or replying to something < 1390912904 449033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to send an email containing only "That's fine." < 1390912964 978749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like a waste of time for all parties concerned :-) < 1390913253 220211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering how and whether you know my email address < 1390913263 473459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly believable that you know it, given that it's public information < 1390913427 166717 :namaskar_!~namaskar@host86-178-188-154.range86-178.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1390913583 840539 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390914168 12571 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390914258 169542 :namaskar_!~namaskar@host86-178-188-154.range86-178.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1390914258 812054 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in an ordered field, one has x^2 >= 0 for any x, but i^2 = -1 < 0 contradicts that. < 1390914525 272312 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric > 1390924664 951273 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390924667 220707 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1390924667 607654 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1390924669 83810 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390924669 97598 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1390924669 601756 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390924680 138097 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:9942:7678:a44d:9b2f JOIN :#esoteric < 1390924776 525724 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1390924818 856496 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390924837 225759 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.130.94 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390925004 129166 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? racoonspirator < 1390925009 984863 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :A racoonspirator is a collaborator wrapped in fur < 1390925040 1371 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cocoonspirator < 1390925041 898676 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cocoonspirator is a collaborator wrapped in caterpillar silk < 1390925066 187397 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :obvious++ < 1390925529 955192 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my bad. i stand by my correction that Por gammer was mistaken speaking of a "maximum" complex number though. < 1390925548 98890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah, I was complaining about the summary, not the edit < 1390925576 967967 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck por gammer < 1390925577 162652 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1390925596 224135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was this about complex integers, or complex numbers in general, btw? if it's complex numbers in general you have the issue of precision, too < 1390925621 530695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and computability, although that's unlikely to come up while programming) < 1390925637 190526 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Por gammer specified double precision, but my implementation is multiprecision < 1390925673 871048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ah right < 1390925675 171972 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a gammer, and why does it gam pors? < 1390925676 293673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, hmm < 1390925695 816118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, "double precision" implies an actual maximum value (or in the case of complex numbers, maximum for each component) < 1390925721 880607 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1390925723 174389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it specifies a number of bits for the exponent as well as the mantissa < 1390925801 522125 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how georgia feels today: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/log_out < 1390925828 505487 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which is why i ignored the that recommendation and went multiprecision < 1390925832 698128 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KATL < 1390925833 40725 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KATL 281612Z 33010KT 9SM -SN BKN028 BKN036 OVC050 M03/M15 A3019 RMK AO2 P0000 < 1390925855 933539 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i don't mean the weather. i mean the attitudes of georgians < 1390925861 273846 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :people feel this way < 1390925883 549380 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1390925900 838240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that link looks vaguely like an XSRF attempt to me < 1390925927 505115 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it looked weird to me too < 1390925999 89036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's possible to write a client-side browser plugin like NoScript to block XSRF without strong AI, right? you can do it server-side without issues though < 1390926636 231118 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but NoScript does actually help against some attacks < 1390926684 920726 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, for example it helps against certain (intended!) credit card transactions ... < 1390926691 577803 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wikipedia page for CSRF lists a bunch of partial client-side solutions < 1390926694 593684 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: how so? < 1390926759 128024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hmm, I thought the HTML community decided to use "X" for "cross" to reduce acronym colisions < 1390926761 735646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*collisions < 1390926775 532663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe they don't for CSRF because it has no collisions anyway < 1390926793 119172 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's something called "3Dsecure" that's popular in Austria at least; basically a shop makes a cross site request to the credit card companie's "secure" server, and that one does another when the transaction is done. There's of course there's Javascript involved, too.) < 1390926834 61120 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sounds dumb. < 1390926920 530949 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. multiple points of failure, multiple parties involved, unsecured information channels... not only it sounds dumb, but dangerous too. < 1390926979 887946 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ass covering by the CC company; they have logs to show that a certain transaction was acknowledged on their own servers. They don't care that I can't distinguish between entering the data on their server or on another one. < 1390926981 579428 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. dumb. < 1390927010 715204 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1390927022 487808 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in any case I have to jump through those hoops from time to time. < 1390927112 433279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: in the UK, it's usual (but not universal) for the merchant's site to redirect to the credit card company's site < 1390927131 994683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who can either approve it immediately and redirect back, or ask for some extra information for security purposes < 1390927137 648435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how it works behind the scenes < 1390927146 186476 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some swedish banks allow one to configure a personal secret, and have that secret shown on all "login-to-bank" pages to authenticate when paying for something or so < 1390927297 699104 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my credit union has that, but only for logins into itself, since card transactions are through visa. :V < 1390927312 508917 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In America) < 1390927353 509079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: to prove it's a real bank screen? < 1390927360 388127 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah < 1390927362 700664 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390927367 120250 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1390927369 963887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that doesn't actually work, though, because a malicious website could just try to log in as you < 1390927376 164885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would fail, but it'd be able to get the secret before it failed < 1390927445 390339 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well the idea is that before one enters their own data one verifies that the secret being displayed is correct. < 1390927461 100390 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which just makes the attacker's job a bit more complicated but never mind that. < 1390927496 430297 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real question isn't whether it's secure, but whether a court can be convinced that it's secure. < 1390927498 539022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, the problem is that you need the secret for the user to log in, but you need the login details to protect the secret < 1390927532 463208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing it on payments works a bit better, though, because an attacker would have to submit a fake payment to get at the secret < 1390927560 693952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you do that in any sort of volume, the bank will get suspicious, because it's observable from their point of view and something that needs monitoring anyway < 1390927607 573916 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not completely stupid. But it's very annoying. < 1390928356 256474 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: one could have a rotating secret that is never the same twice. like "the 4th digit of your social and third letter of your mother's maiden name" today and "the last digit of your phone number and the third digit of your account number" tomorrow. if you ever see the same secret twice, you're being scammed < 1390928384 831208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: doesn't help against a MitM attack, which is what I was thinking of < 1390928394 823660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although this would be MitM-via-not-reading-the-URL < 1390928410 941247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to MitM-via-redirecting-the-connection < 1390928429 858977 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, unless its MitM-by-rewriting-your-local-DNS-cache < 1390928467 605982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that attack work? I'm aware of the existence of DNS poisoning but don't understand it < 1390928471 838414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I'll just read Wikipedia < 1390928532 75231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently it's just "redirect traffic aimed at a DNS server, then it gets cached" < 1390928537 958923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming it was something cleverer than that < 1390928546 15462 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how a MitM attack works when the information is securely transmitted < 1390928565 253658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no, it is clever < 1390928579 19718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's when a DNS server asks you where a site is, you send back info on other sites too < 1390928593 437622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite < 1390928614 912407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when DNS server A asks DNS server B where a site is, the attacker sends back a reply to A, forged to come from B < 1390928637 179276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need to approximately guess the timings, but that's not a real obstacle to an exploit < 1390928677 446822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this falls into the general class of TCP security issues that is "you trust the return address on a packet without asking the person who claims to have sent it whether it's genuine" < 1390928938 835981 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then how did that attack that posioned the cache on an ADSL router via an emailed img link work? < 1390929002 183150 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it is snowing now < 1390929027 674525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I guess the img link was to a domain that the client hadn't seen before, thus forcing a DNS request to a server owned by the attacker < 1390929038 629660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from whatever the router's upstream DNS was < 1390929076 758028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and simultaneously giving the attacker the identity of the user (via something encoded in the subdomain, which their malicious DNS sever could see), the IP of the upstream DNS (it's making the request), and the timing of the request < 1390929115 400291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the email would also have to contain a link to an image on a legitimate site, but that's easy < 1390929139 744307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then if the malicious server knows the IP of the legit's site DNS server, it has all the information it needs to spoof it quite convincingly < 1390929186 192406 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds right < 1390929316 99516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, yeah < 1390929320 669021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually is a really interesting attack < 1390929347 642651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the obvious fix is for DNS requests to contain an arbitrary string that the DNS server echos back in the response < 1390929613 28189 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This evening I had a rather boring lecture and ended up thinking about 0xn matrices < 1390929619 678790 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: they work but are useless < 1390929676 833764 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I saw a fox < 1390929689 621748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? < 1390930263 808585 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.181 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1390930342 691269 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: A matrix that can't store data? < 1390930390 502003 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, the fox was in York (well, just outside York) < 1390930395 6409 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, ish < 1390930402 525382 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still knows its dimensions < 1390930418 304991 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, other than that < 1390930463 33210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: foxes are quite common in Birmingham, although they frequently stay hidden, especially during the daytime < 1390930475 578541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once had to take a long detour once because there was a fox in an alleyway in the middle of the day < 1390930486 271176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally they just run away if you approach them, but they can be dangerous if cornered < 1390930500 237070 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What happens when you multiply a 4x0 matrix with a 0x4 matrix? < 1390930515 311358 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get the 4x4 zero matrix, I think < 1390930519 114775 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1390930549 45233 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if these sort of flat matrices would be useful for matrix truncation/extension < 1390930560 154254 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390930595 995082 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1390930656 739741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like it might be useful in linear-logic-like applications < 1390930676 43299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to have a safe and simple way to destroy data < 1390930704 665607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although simply multplying it by zero and adding it to something you were using anyway is probably easier < 1390930901 353991 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1390931022 347590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1390931136 599456 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390931160 869023 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1390931212 912631 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: a 0xn matrix could be represented in J & friends < 1390931222 898194 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :) $ 0 4 $ '' < 1390931223 262788 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: 0 4 < 1390931251 763843 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J <3 < 1390931575 184916 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a 0×N matrix good for, except some horrible type-level hacking? < 1390931674 116355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the zero matrix because the sum of an empty set is 0? < 1390931732 406650 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.181 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1390931832 211704 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yes < 1390931839 93948 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, probably nothing < 1390932197 944260 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.130.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use 0xN matrices to represent "width component for zero matrices" and Mx0 ones to represent "height component for zero matrices" and then when you multiply them you get a MxN zero matrix < 1390932237 94848 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.130.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is probably the only interesting thing they do, really? destroying data isn't very useful < 1390932383 898895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does a 0xn matrix still represent a linear map? i guess so but none of them are invertible < 1390932388 883486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except a 0x0 matrix :D < 1390932389 317706 :itsy!~digital_w@84.93.86.41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1390932521 571369 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meanwhile, I fungotting hate bureaucracy and micromanagement.) < 1390932521 751154 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i expect it's that or the uploads, i'll do it < 1390932682 233026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a dream about a block cipher mode which is like ECB but you use a Bloom filter to detect whether you're going to repeat a block and you re-key instead < 1390932686 719935 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this is useful in the slightest < 1390932805 660847 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people here have the weirdest dreams... < 1390932958 450561 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you dream < 1390932958 699301 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'm guessing you're about to be one for your implementation, usually all of r5rs on the sheet of paper" < 1390932995 902092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1390933115 383478 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot dreams in lisp forms? . o O ( http://xkcd.com/224/ ) < 1390933115 611883 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: mmmm......... i am just using chess because the structure of the cond < 1390933128 692591 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot thinks in lisp forms. < 1390933129 30453 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: should it bother me. :) but no, not at work. i still don't see the importance of critical thought and logic in an argument < 1390933199 71816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390933226 826542 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'(fungot fungot fungot) < 1390933227 96121 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: did he do that one of the things most people who speak a different dialect that allows file i/ o < 1390933235 181085 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: he did. < 1390933235 399305 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i like keyword arguments, and so you've now got the fnord. < 1390933252 227638 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has the fnord! *zelda item get melody ♪
< 1390933319 925449 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :may the fnord be with you. < 1390934710 435671 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: guess what happens when it snows in atlanta? < 1390934756 80459 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 1) billions of traffic accidents because tire chains aren't a thing here 2) i get the day off work yay < 1390934792 359164 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the car pileups are previsible. we had one yesterday involving about 40 of them. < 1390934826 364901 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :previsible? what? help boily i don't speak that. < 1390934833 975176 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :foreseeable? < 1390934846 252556 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :predictable. sorry, my French's slipping again... < 1390934865 124560 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fr:prévisible → en:foreseeable, predictable. < 1390934919 875358 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: did you foresee my not working today? because i'm not. < 1390934949 236403 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no. < 1390934988 153697 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only people who skip their regular schedules when it snows are schoolchildren. < 1390935023 243864 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, well, you've got a coat, a hat, and a shovel. < 1390935056 702137 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: where do you work again? < 1390935086 590217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MATLAB/Octave support 0xN and Nx0 matrices, too. < 1390935122 617966 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well i am a tutor. schoolchildren are ostensibly my clients < 1390935135 234697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the 0x0 matrix, which is handy because you can concatenate the 0x0 matrix to any matrix along any dimension. < 1390935190 257838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The 0xN and Nx0 matrices, for N > 0, you can concatenate only if the dimensions match right.) < 1390935270 745354 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390935405 439448 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: good point. < 1390935497 556711 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to know that a matrix has full rank without looking at its entries. < 1390935627 161857 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so you only use 0xN and Nx0 matrices < 1390935628 731151 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1390935702 621951 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, no. It would simplify a lot of things. < 1390935782 822964 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: or wait, you could just generate your matrix randomly. then it will almost surely be full rank! < 1390935854 634245 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that's a dangerous claim. I might be working over a finite field. < 1390935874 315802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: don't do that < 1390935957 683774 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: if you have a matrix with all nonzero rows/columns you can add a random real nonce to one row and one column and get an almost surely full rank matrix < 1390936009 14250 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: (1,1,1;1,1,1;1,1,1) and I like to differ. < 1390936016 674721 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :obv this won't work if you have rows that are identically the same < 1390936025 446284 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's easy enoguh to guarantee < 1390936063 742452 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the nonce applied at a single position doesn't help ... much. you can add it to all diagonal entries though, that will work.) < 1390936111 611700 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm yeah < 1390936821 191328 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: also the set of 1xN and Nx1 matrices with at least one nonzero entry is all full rank! < 1390936880 804769 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just look at their length rather than their entires < 1390936882 840935 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :entries < 1390937117 168740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1390937224 965426 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellœrjan. < 1390937269 290470 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1390937320 311146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boillyeh < 1390937367 818930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what large numbers < 1390937396 816699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's sequence? < 1390937425 37517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was enumerating IO-less brainfuck programs. < 1390937446 983050 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1390937471 875633 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tdh. < 1390937679 810119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 a + bi <= c + di iff a <= c or (a == c and b <= d) is a simpler total ordering. (the one you'd get from automatically deriving Ord in haskell, although the Complex numbers don't do that out of principle.) < 1390937679 989793 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1390937698 78375 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run time ./Test >/dev/null < 1390937701 760502 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ real 0m2.273s \ user 0m2.100s \ sys 0m0.300s < 1390937714 210103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat Test.hs < 1390937715 476614 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Data.List(inits);main = let p = 1 : zipWith (+) (map (*4) p) (map (sum . zipWith (*) p . reverse) (inits p)) in print $ p !! 1000 < 1390937723 663525 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think time prints to stderr.. < 1390937736 764144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i realized that later < 1390938129 124773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : what is a gammer, and why does it gam pors? <-- por gammer is por gammer for por spling, hth < 1390938149 50984 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which time < 1390938150 477007 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1390938153 886525 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity :) < 1390938169 593390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` help time < 1390938170 937135 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :time: time [-p] pipeline \ Report time consumed by pipeline's execution. \ \ Execute PIPELINE and print a summary of the real time, user CPU time, \ and system CPU time spent executing PIPELINE when it terminates. \ \ Options: \ -p print the timing summary in the portable Posix format \ \ The value of the TI < 1390938176 711197 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/time tends to be more informative than the shell builting < 1390938177 953649 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :-g < 1390938186 861046 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a /usr/bin/time? < 1390938191 998701 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I unnerstande. < 1390938205 644552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: goyd < 1390938205 995390 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what would provide that? < 1390938261 860592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /usr/bin/time < 1390938263 848421 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /usr/bin/time: No such file or directory < 1390938275 966857 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390938574 699517 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so there's a 'time' package in debian ... < 1390938765 771510 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-106.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1390938802 109981 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-106.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1390938802 289706 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1390938815 601047 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : > /usr/bin/time /bin/true < 1390938815 780777 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.00user 0.00system 0:00.01elapsed 0%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 392maxresident)k < 1390938815 780936 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :56inputs+0outputs (1major+138minor)pagefaults 0swaps < 1390938843 527319 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar LOWI < 1390938843 878293 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 281920Z VRB01KT 9999 FEW010 SCT015 BKN070 M00/M01 Q0999 R08/19//70 NOSIG < 1390938883 714545 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, that does seem to be a lot of info < 1390938905 471576 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ESSA < 1390938905 839752 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSA 281950Z 10011KT CAVOK M02/M05 Q1026 R01L/410166 R08/410150 R01R/410177 NOSIG < 1390939115 271934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA < 1390939115 781660 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 281950Z 08009KT 030V130 9999 FEW050 01/M09 Q1019 WS RWY 09 TEMPO 13022G35KT RMK WIND 670FT 16008G24KT < 1390939383 101200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could need some precipitation in middle norway. another disastrous fire going on. < 1390939789 251802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't have any gas explosions like manitoba did you? < 1390939978 674850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or germany http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25922514 < 1390940049 873772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hm no, although it was apparently close last year when there was a fire in the local paper factory < 1390940080 199439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a gas container close to the burning building. < 1390940203 942192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: cow farts, or bullshit? < 1390941731 521901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1390941822 601275 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cow farts are dangerous → http://www.darwinawards.com/legends/legends2000-06.html < 1390942684 266801 :typeclassy_!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-euatyqhjxeyiacnx JOIN :#esoteric < 1390942710 451551 :typeclassy_!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-euatyqhjxeyiacnx NICK :typeclassy < 1390942889 223857 :boily1!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390942895 328169 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390942909 333234 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390942965 902199 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390942983 229152 :boily1!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net NICK :boily < 1390943178 866231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (942) < 1390943180 465077 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (942): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily < 1390943205 629085 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :o, lots of olist recently < 1390943230 5411 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a day with an olist is a Good Day. < 1390943516 157066 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is olist? oots? < 1390943619 290248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist of the stick < 1390943735 551678 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:9942:7678:a44d:9b2f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390943753 433660 :^v!~NotPing@2601:4:4500:887:9942:7678:a44d:9b2f JOIN :#esoteric < 1390944483 114556 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: ROYAL CHICKEN FURNACE < 1390944484 900440 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390946063 118593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1390947455 939041 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaaaaaaaat AMD is going to make server-class ARM64 "Opteron A" chips now? < 1390947457 120297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://community.amd.com/community/amd-blogs/amd-business/blog/2014/01/28/amd-announces-plans-to-sample-64-bit-arm-opteron-a-seattle-processors < 1390948400 798262 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds potentially awesome < 1390948630 103535 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.130.94 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1390950451 11791 :typeclassy!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-euatyqhjxeyiacnx QUIT : < 1390950761 266013 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-21876.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1390951095 194805 :aergus!~aergus@pptp-212-201-72-74.pptp.stw-bonn.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1390951746 218559 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-21876.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Quit: Tritonio < 1390952245 134359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1390952591 138241 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390952721 553820 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm more likely to trust that the Racket team can come up with good tools for the manipulation of languages themselves, and less likely to trust their ability to make "ordinary" programming work well < 1390952826 778451 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you think of Ouya? < 1390953404 941213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't really know. It is open source and based on Android system; the former always being an advantage and the latter advantageous when you are writing or running Android based software; I think its other design decisions aren't all that good; apparently you can't remove HDCP without opening it up though < 1390953470 693600 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: would you consider writing games for it < 1390953503 290461 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't think so, but if there are interpreters/emulators for whatever I do write a game for you can try to see if you are able to run those. < 1390953556 856462 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you java at all/