< 1388534452 202916 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate UTC < 1388534452 391134 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/ < 1388534452 809501 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | c.c.c |  ¯|¯⌠ `\o/´69   | c.c.c |   `\o/´69  ¯|¯⌠ | c.c.c | < 1388534453 270578 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |\ c.c  >\ /< |   |    /`\ c.c /^\    |     |\|/<  c.c  |\ < 1388534453 478896 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69               (_|¯`\                 /´\ < 1388534453 667130 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                    |_)             (_| |_) < 1388534453 855337 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388534690 534686 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mousepad decided to scroll the opposite direction for a brief period of time < 1388534692 762074 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How bizarre < 1388534936 308295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that timey-wimey new year stuff. < 1388535783 939253 :olsner!~salparot@78-72-235-77-no50.business.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388535795 358786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc65575-sgyl31-2-0-cust736.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388535797 353941 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc65575-sgyl31-2-0-cust736.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1388535797 541939 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388535814 405512 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh. colors explained ... http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20031121 < 1388536150 274736 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Changing host < 1388536150 501964 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1388536159 766231 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PART :#esoteric < 1388536204 884848 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hapy new yere < 1388536247 769815 :olsner!~salparot@78-72-235-77-no50.business.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy new year < 1388536324 751115 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy new year! < 1388536377 466349 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 2013 was BBB in base 13. < 1388536378 51532 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not year for you kmc stop pretending < 1388537451 859549 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-88-50.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388537553 572616 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-53.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388537748 874279 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1388538433 831286 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if the Worlds servers go offline forever, it will always be possible to visit the official Worlds.com worlds < 1388538469 870960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god < 1388538494 853485 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-53.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank Nar'Quilak, god of the Worlds and all who inhabit them < 1388538656 697691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why < 1388538714 179773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1388538756 596144 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 < 1388538764 250843 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you doing for new years eve < 1388538799 751893 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the built-in Worlds are stored locally < 1388538806 112079 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's an easy to use offline mode < 1388539026 602086 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I be using Mozart/Oz 1.4 or Mozart 2? < 1388539043 344219 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-53.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :use at least 1.7 < 1388539060 571368 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's 2014 guys? < 1388539063 840314 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Mozart 2] adds an extension interface to the virtual machine to allow language extensions defined within Oz." < 1388539070 566299 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....suddenly I want Mozart 2 < 1388539079 667477 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the main documentation site is all 1 < 1388539092 34620 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: so far it's pretty similar to late 2013 < 1388539870 441015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: apart from all the eldrich abominations, it's quite similar. < 1388539877 137457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth. < 1388539884 674150 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-53.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388539886 452327 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry we never killed the abomination < 1388539923 977505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *eldritch < 1388540005 979355 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-184.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388540066 445602 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388540243 166476 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388540396 37302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (18/11, 5/3) < 1388540397 398114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (1.6363636363636365,1.6666666666666667) < 1388540437 911966 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-184.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388540504 939287 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-184.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388540743 256347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night, don't let the shoggoths bite < 1388540903 797757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I am not doing anything for new year's eve, yet < 1388542759 851171 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1388542772 430849 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1388542985 121397 :olsner!~salparot@78-72-235-77-no50.business.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1388543037 232477 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psy vs. Linkin Park https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycHluR67jiY&list=PLgcoT7-W0fP258nmxEy-2pkFJftUKjdRi < 1388543078 85969 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen. amazing < 1388543290 252409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: Leaving. Now I will let the shoggoths bite. (Sorry, oerjan) < 1388543367 786939 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ytj.fi/english/yritystiedot.aspx?yavain=2486686&kielikoodi=3&tarkiste=DA735DFD038226CA09DA2531FAFD93B8303B1F73&path=1704;1736;2052 < 1388545761 247561 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388545782 762526 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy year! < 1388545926 954631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same to you! < 1388546111 660112 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy new year #esoteric~ < 1388546127 928323 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388546780 986843 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com NICK :NewYearInterpol < 1388547218 180818 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388547315 955168 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-37-184.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388547405 878521 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388547500 580726 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: I'm off. Happy new year. < 1388547604 236969 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oz's or construct... doesn't do this statically, it's more a deadlock if it fails, but still cool: All branches except 1 must ..fail.. So you do have to write conditionals in each branch to exclude the other branches < 1388547609 613771 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I think might be more readable < 1388547627 184643 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'conditionals' will run simultaneously < 1388547970 798434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1388548139 803656 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1388548153 645195 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a program in TI-92 calculator to select the puzzle chips for Puzzle Strike game at random. < 1388549065 980522 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388551296 158362 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1388551306 276326 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1388551449 327272 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1388551467 228669 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388551474 535933 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex NICK :preflex < 1388553717 585054 :mrhmouse!~m@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388555201 776721 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you should build a drinking game i bet you'd be rich < 1388555863 38590 :mrhmouse!~m@99-172-22-238.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1388556021 341203 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1388556131 950689 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388558176 796452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't intend to do such a thing. < 1388558198 450348 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes of course you don't you're zzo38 < 1388558200 651605 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :merry hristmasc < 1388558459 325499 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given some pairs of starting and ending vertices on a graph, is the problem of finding a set of paths such that every vertex is hit as np-complete as the version with just one pair? < 1388558469 511852 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit once < 1388558473 420841 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only once, i guess < 1388558576 408328 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1388558928 494383 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you can probably turn that into normal hamiltonian path by adding edges between the starts and finishes. < 1388558938 129720 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :directed, though < 1388561421 717881 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.237 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1388562868 133535 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Oz's WaitNeeded is pretty cool < 1388562878 970734 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{WaitNeeded X} blocks until something else forces X < 1388565968 649775 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tune in next year for the exciting beginning!" < 1388566726 874620 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388568917 526173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I added the year category < 1388570164 742199 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1388570333 693378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that some conditions can be implemented in TeX without using the \if... conditional commands? < 1388570437 116185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example: \def\equalcond#1#2#3{\begingroup\expandafter\def\csname\number#2\endcsname{False}\expandafter\def\csname\number#3\endcsname{True}\edef\next{\endgroup\noexpand\csname#1\csname\number#2\endcsname\noexpand\endcsname}\next} < 1388570478 239065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have \nonzerocond, \lesscond, \oddcond, \hmodecond, \vmodecond, \voidcond, and \vboxcond. < 1388571272 225164 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :} No, still looks like a blank. Ah, I've got it! It's that Unicode character that looks like a blank, is rendered as a blank, but is actually described as "a ghost in an invisibility cloak, juggling ferrets". < 1388571767 408290 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, really? What code point is that? < 1388571806 272656 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+THATWASJUSMEQUOTINGTHEINTERNETORACLENOTAREALOBSERVATION < 1388571905 99244 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1388573469 658348 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1388573521 105511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1388575185 505668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can this 142-byte program be shortened even more? \newcount\-\let~\advance\day0\loop~\-1~\day1~\mit\ifnum\-=3\-0Fizz\fi\ifnum\fam=5Buzz\rm\fi\ifvmode\the\day\fi\endgraf\ifnum\day<`d\repeat\bye < 1388575587 886460 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388575700 860589 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1388575728 954987 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1388577488 607766 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42972.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1388577598 944626 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-37-49-6-33.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1388579412 728541 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388580416 668371 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What does it do? < 1388580425 793306 :olsner!~salparot@78-72-235-77-no50.business.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388580963 5570 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388580983 187364 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1388581814 899142 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388582396 397020 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1388582544 487957 :HaikuUser!~vision@KD027082103162.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1388582573 98078 :HaikuUser!~vision@KD027082103162.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp QUIT :Client Quit < 1388583114 206029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: It makes the "FizzBuzz" output < 1388583206 245615 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1388583213 954985 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't look at it carefully enough < 1388583290 840416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to shorten it with "code golf", without any error messages < 1388583466 911409 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if you can make it any shorter without switching to a different language < 1388583518 207440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it can be shorter in other programming languages, but clearly that isn't what I am doing here. < 1388583551 873077 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am writing it using TeX. < 1388583571 541172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does do a few strange things but maybe you can see if you can understand or not, these things. < 1388583749 108014 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, the use of \mit without math mode < 1388583847 383262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\mit and \rm are both commands for changing the font, but this program never changes the font. \day is the register to store the current date, but this program doesn't care about the date and time. The \fam register is only for math mode, and this program doesn't use math mode. < 1388584025 451892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you program in TeX at all? < 1388584709 493931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388584771 236444 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1388585760 186391 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388585826 631414 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't < 1388586494 10946 :tertu3!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388586516 356803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand a bit so far what I explain? < 1388586595 414002 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388586983 350103 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388588123 806674 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1388588317 82377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that \mit is defined something like \def\mit{\fam1 } so if ~ means \advance then ~\mit will increment the \fam register (which does nothing outside of math mode). The \rm command, in addition to selecting the roman font (which is already selected, so it won't change it), has the effect of setting \fam to zero. < 1388588444 692769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it can shorten by using existing macros in unusual ways. < 1388588949 425173 :olsner!~salparot@78-72-235-77-no50.business.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1388589968 250865 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun with side effects < 1388590205 565448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you don't prefer your fun to be pure? < 1388590237 902427 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's much more boring because you know what will happen < 1388590678 774288 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1388591547 523343 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388591811 801017 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1388592470 461427 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Theoretically, certain types of sleep could be possible while flying, but technical difficulties preclude the recording of brain activity in birds while they are flying.” < 1388592570 684846 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\(Sorted xs) -> xs) $ foldMap (Sorted . (:[])) [1,5,3,6,7,2] :: [Integer] < 1388592572 30227 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,5,6,7] < 1388592782 283944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1388593031 754474 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388594120 676388 :nucular!~MOO@89.204.138.156 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388594120 918273 :nucular!~MOO@89.204.138.156 QUIT :Changing host < 1388594120 918419 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1388594371 924094 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388594530 925454 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388594788 738984 :impomatic!~digital_w@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been trying to find out more about SURFIT, an ancestor of Core War. < 1388594930 119339 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\(Sorted xs) -> xs) $ foldMap (Sorted . (:[])) ['z','x'..] < 1388594931 763715 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\NUL\STX\EOT\ACK\b\n\f\SO\DLE\DC2\DC4\SYN\CAN\SUB\FS\RS \"$&(*,.02468:<>@BD... < 1388594937 738248 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388594942 780051 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\(Sorted xs) -> xs) $ foldMap (Sorted . (:[])) ['z','x'..'a'] < 1388594944 441387 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "bdfhjlnprtvxz" < 1388594986 702927 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet there is some way to combine compression with programming < 1388594997 41359 :impomatic!~digital_w@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There doesn't appear to be anything online apart from what I just posted https://plus.google.com/102212268901593257476/posts/YQs8bnXAdsc < 1388595020 91491 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime Taneb < 1388595020 442385 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Taneb is Wed Jan 1 16:50:20 < 1388595026 462292 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a clock < 1388595067 839095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: there are compression quines < 1388595069 306836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are fun < 1388595229 194377 :impomatic!~digital_w@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if anyone has written a threaded Forth with dictionary compression. < 1388595264 809296 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was thinking of a language where meaning changes as you go through the source code, in a similar way to compression sort of < 1388595292 710760 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where future code would refer to slices of past code, but more complex than that < 1388595315 348338 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually, FreeFull invents FORTRAN. < 1388595367 156187 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know that's not how I meant it =P < 1388595402 873889 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I want to make zperl < 1388595416 960151 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1388595421 128472 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be a good name for it < 1388595450 176795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use compression-like rules for flow control < 1388595460 965401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, have no loops or conditionals, all you can do is repeat commands that ran earlier < 1388595704 465858 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So boring, why not design around actual compression. A program that retains meaning when reduced in the frequency domain. < 1388595744 375965 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cf. http://www.ioccc.org/2011/akari/akari.c) < 1388595841 265207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a language with the restriction that the compiler rejects source files that become smaller when compressed? < 1388595853 677579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it aggressively rejects code duplication < 1388595872 972406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably using a compression algorithm that isn't fooled by adding large random comments < 1388596363 909133 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1388596385 807074 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't get comments, you just get code that you skip over < 1388596396 587213 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if such a language would be turing complete < 1388596843 602671 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the language is defined such that a program's output is interpreted as a program in another language, then any (second-stage) program can be written in its Kolmogorov length. < 1388596917 280047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: no, I don't mean skipped code / comments in particular < 1388596930 208614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean a compression algorithm that still compresses the compressible bits even if there are incompressible bits too < 1388596932 914134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like azip < 1388597024 966487 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388597370 482716 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388597470 933846 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388597535 469506 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1388598005 763916 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388599895 780899 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388599938 189914 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1388599939 881801 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Excess Flood < 1388599981 150494 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1388599983 275800 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Excess Flood < 1388600092 500001 :olsner!~salparot@78-72-235-77-no50.business.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388600333 684825 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: check out my language ETAS. it kind of does what you're talking about < 1388600361 219457 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ETAS < 1388600366 372363 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ETAS? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1388600371 871080 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/ETAS < 1388600372 73098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/ETAS < 1388600373 391543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1388600386 318450 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You made it =P < 1388600458 570223 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: except that it does have that jump command which may not be required for turing-completeness. i should probably remove it. < 1388600904 569928 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/1u5odz/dogs_poop_in_alignment_with_earths_magnetic_field/ fascinating. < 1388601086 463409 :impomatic!~digital_w@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1388601222 95242 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if zzo asked me for reading frames I would just point to x86 < 1388601373 998474 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: do you know of any programs for x86 that predictably perform different useful tasks depending upon your starting offset into the program (no cheating by putting programs in as data or jumping past them) < 1388601420 770931 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that cheating < 1388601434 925423 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that is the basic idea behind "functions" < 1388601446 684755 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Try writing a nontrivial "etas" program without doing that) < 1388601477 949368 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it would be hard, but, i would hope, at least possible. < 1388601687 347051 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ioccc.org/2011/akari/akari.c may be relevant (resampling a program to get another program) < 1388601728 566098 :olsner!~salparot@78-72-235-77-no50.business.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: someone linked a paper about finding unintended code sequences to use for exploits a while ago < 1388601731 354828 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :To achieve this, the original program has to be very redundant. < 1388601766 34589 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROP uses a large amount of jumping, so it is "cheating" in the above sense < 1388601773 721671 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yeah i really like that submission < 1388601787 799108 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :More importantly, it is cheating because the actual program is the prepared stack < 1388601882 477324 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: but the goal with etas was to have something that was "the middle bits of an instruction" later be parsed as "the beginning of an instruction". it's not something i had ever seen in another language. < 1388601946 250875 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only reasonable way to multiprogram in etas, I think, is to cheat < 1388602014 417579 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difficulty probably depends highly on the instruction encoding. < 1388602060 952113 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably < 1388602100 737476 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it didn't seem possible to program in malbolge either at one point... < 1388602137 549081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Jafet: but the goal with etas was to have something that was "the middle bits of an instruction" later be parsed as "the beginning of an instruction". it's not something i had ever seen in another language. ← see MiniMAX, http://esolangs.org/wiki/MiniMAX < 1388602155 379675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only way to do any sort of flow control, arithmetic, or well anything < 1388602186 715562 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah i think i saw that well after i made etas < 1388602201 46184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each instruction is three bytes long, one is a value to write, one is overwritten by the value-to-write of the next command, and one tells you which command to run next (unconditionally) < 1388602212 478774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not going to get anywhere without command-punning in that language < 1388602242 614361 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1388602568 10504 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should read the smallfuck interpreter code. it's not clear to me how it would work < 1388603356 466206 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We're just going through our records and -- even though you're one of our best supporters -- it looks like you're not a 2013 founding member." ... pretty sure I donated money between 0 and 1 times. I pretty much ignore these emails... is "best supporter" just supposed to make me feel good, it's just a lie? < 1388603408 924803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I suspect so, mail order catalogues do that all the time < 1388605785 23037 :typeclassy_!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fqtzihsmfhiqshdv JOIN :#esoteric < 1388605903 900803 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388605948 959041 :ski_!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1388605967 774242 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1388606030 84775 :CADD_!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wuzkcyyvslnvcjvc JOIN :#esoteric < 1388606141 121648 :fizzie`!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1388606164 958141 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388606298 259901 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388606298 461405 :CADD!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-owofrflaztknacye QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388606298 464742 :typeclassy!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cyfzjgyhdwtnnbeh QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388606298 464831 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388606298 951739 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388606299 742324 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388606299 946720 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388606300 259822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388606304 60788 :typeclassy_!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fqtzihsmfhiqshdv NICK :typeclassy < 1388606312 628939 :CADD_!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wuzkcyyvslnvcjvc NICK :CADD < 1388606424 798252 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1388606439 170375 :olsner!~salparot@78-72-235-77-no50.business.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1388606669 112907 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388606944 681178 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388606945 987825 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388607697 990204 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388607706 119291 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388609170 133892 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388609222 601977 :fizzie`!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie NICK :fizzie < 1388609238 251791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had acquired some kind of an extra bit. < 1388609298 117184 :impomatic!~digital_w@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388609398 262385 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388609655 273688 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1388609923 438370 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388610188 945401 :LavaLevel!~chatzilla@c-98-201-89-206.hsd1.tx.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388610192 175415 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-37-49-6-33.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1388610217 408151 :LavaLevel!~chatzilla@c-98-201-89-206.hsd1.tx.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1388610268 638939 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1388611101 716442 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, the sale for Just Cause 2 has some fucked up pricing. The cheapest option is not to buy the "Collection" with the game + the DLC, nor is it to buy the game then the DLC pack. No it is to buy the game and then the DLC individually it appears! < 1388611115 677489 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steam... < 1388611212 713108 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388611225 839782 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388611253 8042 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388611390 413303 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically Just Cause 2 is 80% off. Most of the individual DLC are 81% off(!!!). Except one that is 80% off. The collections are only 50% off each. < 1388611519 543716 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1388611574 788597 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah but I can save even more money by not buying the game at all. < 1388611598 759928 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: not as much as me! < 1388611739 218876 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, well yeah, but in what other game can you go out on the wing of a aircraft you are flying and *grapple hook* over to another aircraft and then throw the pilot out through the window < 1388611767 879299 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just Cause 2 is one hell of an awesome sandbox game for just doing crazy stuff in < 1388611791 360528 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as using your two point grapple hook to tow a tank with a Boeing 747 < 1388611820 973624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Price of individual games: 6,11€" "Bundle cost: 14,99€" yes, it looks like a good deal. < 1388611846 351116 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, eh? What? < 1388611855 510999 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the game costs 2.99 discounted here < 1388611866 305734 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the DLC add up to 1.73 EUR < 1388611874 262113 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I can't get that to 6.11 < 1388611878 393987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they've started making USB drives show up as internal disks in windows < 1388611879 206765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That was for the collection including also the first game. < 1388611897 126300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1388611898 807555 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah right, well the first game is meh from what I heard < 1388611936 703419 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also the multi player mod for Just Cause 2 recently released < 1388611951 958112 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: who "they"? < 1388611980 635811 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that happened in windows 7 didn't it? At least external rotational USB HDDs had to be removed by "safe removal" thingy in the area next to the clock which I forgot the name of < 1388611995 244754 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike USB flash sticks which you can just right click and select eject on < 1388612049 990219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's the "notification area" these days. < 1388612071 93006 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1388612076 958473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When referring to the notification area: Refer to the notification area as the notification area, not the system tray." (MSDN) < 1388612099 744178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: "Do not taunt the notification area." (Not MSDN, sadly.) < 1388612140 185851 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why is the notification area full of stuff that's not notifications? < 1388612155 423566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people think it's a good place to put advertising < 1388612162 423885 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because everyone still treats it as the system tray < 1388612169 706374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because people can't follow directions, perhaps. < 1388612172 566267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well-designed programs use the notification area appropriately, without being annoying or distracting." < 1388612184 83160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these rules exist because they're so often violated < 1388612185 671895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1388612191 998013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It doesn't say what programs that are not well-designed do.) < 1388612206 329967 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only static icons there that has ever been of any use to me have been the network status and on non-multimedia keyboards, the volume setting < 1388612206 922666 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not supposed to distract it should be invisible at all times. < 1388612245 959979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume the fact everyone puts an always-visible icon there is what made them implement the notification area icon hiding thing. < 1388612249 954944 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea why steam on windows minimizes into that area also < 1388612255 82468 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, probably < 1388612262 127827 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing is really useful < 1388612284 314711 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah at work I also have the Incredibuild icon there. That is like a distcc for windows < 1388612324 980509 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually more like a distributed make, since it is a bit smarter about it than distcc < 1388612328 313498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux Steam pops up a tray (it's really a tray, the freedesktop.org specification says so) icon too. < 1388612382 676909 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes but it *also* stays in the normal task bar as well when minimized < 1388612387 129563 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike on Windows < 1388612434 971958 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat and VLC manages to properly minimize to that tray if you want to at least < 1388612441 430117 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I see the point of that < 1388612450 856478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if Linux Steam knows how to put up an Ayatana "indicator" if running under a Gnomey thing. < 1388612465 462615 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "Ayatana"? < 1388612487 130358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I guess Ayatana indicators are maybe Ubuntu-specific? I don't really know how it goes. < 1388612496 280517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also yeah MATE would definitely count as Gnomey < 1388612512 547873 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian with MATE here, mate < 1388612519 900110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ayatana's Ubuntu-specific, indeed < 1388612528 895585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's part of the Ubuntu "user experience" project, I don't know if regular Gnome got the indicators. < 1388612540 814115 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh < 1388612545 685245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VLC on Ubuntu should be hiding in the launcher with a context menu, rather than the tray with a context area < 1388612547 166946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't < 1388612568 25441 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it only uses the tray if you click on the tray icon to minimize it < 1388612580 145070 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise it simply minimizes to the normal task bar < 1388612583 483433 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with xchat < 1388612590 356737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what annoys me is that it has a tray icon at all < 1388612593 288056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can turn that off < 1388612610 29664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have nice controls on the right-click menu on the launcher like Totem does, though, because it's not Unity-aware < 1388612642 729252 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, someone who is computer savy and uses Unity? < 1388612645 506141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's at least a GNOME Shell extension to integrate "indicators" there. Though as far as I can tell, it's not part of Gnome proper, perhaps. < 1388612646 877743 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't expect that < 1388612659 482416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I /like/ Unity :-( < 1388612663 70040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is rather slow and buggy < 1388612669 979850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually most of the slowness is Zeitgeist's fault < 1388612673 967509 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last I tried unity, which was admittedly in the first ubuntu version it was included, it was terrible < 1388612684 696288 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Zeitgeist now again? < 1388612689 79593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until recently I used it just for the launcher < 1388612708 561982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fun fact: Ayatana also includes "windicators".) < 1388612711 39929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although more recently the lenses/scopes have been useful too < 1388612727 16249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Zeitgeist's purpose is basically recording which files you've opened < 1388612729 870558 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you say gnome shell, are you talking about the abomination that is Gnome 3? < 1388612732 974593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to get useful "recently used" output < 1388612739 477902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it is mindbogglingly overengineered for that purpose < 1388612739 921758 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1388612746 537005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sure, that's what Gnome is. < 1388612762 233683 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I wanted to ask you. Do you know of any good let's plays that do weird things and pretend they're entirely normal. I watched an absolutely brilliant Link's Awakening one < 1388612784 602171 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm Spotlight on OS X and even more so the Windows 7 start menu search/run field works fine. How hard could it be to replicate that < 1388612789 7619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I don't like that style of play, really < 1388612792 840203 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which btw I have been looking for under linux < 1388612794 708471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if people are being weird I like them to acknowledge it < 1388612795 94156 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet found it < 1388612808 143884 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I find ig hilarious < 1388612811 529507 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1388612817 179899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no, although there was a Link's Awakening speedrun like that at one of the SDA marathons < 1388612821 533800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good game to act like that < 1388612824 375704 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"watch out for the old grandmas here, sometimes they shoot octoroks at you" < 1388612825 465775 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, lparchive? Or some youtube thing? < 1388612835 211665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played Dungeons&Dragons game this morning. My plan wasn't necessary; I was hoping it wouldn't be necessary, since it would be complicated to set up. < 1388612840 182667 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favourite LP is the Planescape Torment one on lparchive < 1388612842 544426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the problem with pretending it's normal is that you don't get an explanation of the technical details < 1388612867 51701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't very good to eat, but, that's OK < 1388612911 877287 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : "watch out for the old grandmas here, sometimes they shoot octoroks at you" <-- he glitched the game? < 1388612917 786717 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or e I guess < 1388612940 123134 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: very very heavily < 1388612963 580962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch out for the birdphone < 1388612965 476571 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :When speed running gets to that level I find it detracts from the experience < 1388612971 251492 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, birdphone? < 1388612992 386988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's a character that acts like a shopkeeper (up to the instakill effect) < 1388612997 283059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but looks like a bird or a telephone < 1388612997 556624 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just get google hits for someone's twitter account < 1388613002 497867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :changing between them repeatedly < 1388613022 193850 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in what game? < 1388613029 669481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link's Awakening < 1388613051 971445 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Welcome to the first dungeon. I don't know why they call it level 8, the developers can't count or something. Now we're about to get the fire rod... it's really strange that they put the strongest item in the first dungeon." < 1388613054 109151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably the most memorable effect of the major glitching < 1388613061 217127 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZP63oRVcgg fantastic < 1388613091 301832 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :will watch in a second, just going through the latest ocremixes. They decided to post 10 today. < 1388613115 969412 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388613135 664752 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net NICK :augur < 1388613167 45370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I think I've been getting less of the HTML5 player in YouTube lately. :/ < 1388613187 361388 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah found the LP in question < 1388613196 729667 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah this might be run to look at < 1388613204 328731 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that I know how the game is *supposed* to go < 1388613617 92347 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: that reminds me of messing around with that bug with the dog house < 1388613788 29001 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what Link's Awakening let's play was this? < 1388613800 579831 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a link on hand, but vorpal found it apparently < 1388613816 527276 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ah < 1388613824 977690 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: mind passing a link to it? < 1388614053 451601 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, http://lparchive.org/Legend-of-Zelda-Links-Awakening/ < 1388614061 892707 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that is what he meant, it fits the bill perfectly < 1388614071 166490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also yes it is super-funny if you know how the game is supposed to go < 1388614077 620412 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes NO bloody sense if you don't < 1388614187 556677 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1388614547 923826 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, this is bloody amazing < 1388614575 896460 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388614677 94856 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to see, e.g. a Metroid Prime any% run done like that < 1388614702 923545 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, are there suitable glitches in that game? < 1388614725 631543 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1388614753 232508 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of sheer absurdity, MP2 would probably be better, because it involves way more out of bounds < 1388614874 570768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the start of the Metroid Prime 2 run at AGDQ2013 was done like that < 1388614879 773528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they couldn't really keep it up < 1388615071 255918 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1388615104 785984 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they might actually do that for miles' run next week < 1388615116 328795 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll only be an hour long and there are plenty of glitches throughout < 1388615124 132298 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42972.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388615127 702301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's MP1 any%, isn't it? < 1388615144 877002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not particularly glitchy, in the sense that most of the things it does, it's believable that they're intended < 1388615152 246907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the out of bounds segment, but there's only one short one < 1388615152 965618 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not at all < 1388615164 664134 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is any%, but there's so much breakage < 1388615166 382335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't intended, but they don't look so massively unintended < 1388615181 305028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of it's just "jump further than expected" or "jump higher than expected" < 1388615194 540579 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in terms of actual glitches, but the sequence breaks < 1388615204 206761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the sequence is completely different < 1388615206 451187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a Metroid game < 1388615211 673061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're meant to be able to do that < 1388615216 824694 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all < 1388615221 782578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Space Jump first? sure, why not < 1388615289 751605 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : you're meant to be able to do that <-- to some extent < 1388615298 853213 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only played about half of Super Metroid < 1388615314 983823 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some stuff was definitely gated by needing something else to reach it < 1388615319 357920 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the MP sequence breaks are glitches and were corrected in later editions; fusion, prime 3, and other M are all linear games built with triggers so you can't really break them < 1388615375 292757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hardly anything, because Super Metroid has a bunch of special moves you're not meant to realise exist the first time through < 1388615383 290300 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? < 1388615386 436437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: actually, Prime 3 has already been broken < 1388615395 789339 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :super metroid and zero mission were built with more stuff < 1388615401 787004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fusion and Other M have been attempted to break, but Fusion softlocks if you go out of sequence < 1388615409 63382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Other M is full of invisible walls < 1388615421 243233 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, prime 3 can only really be broken with OOB though < 1388615444 489305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the main ones are the walljump and six varieties of shinespark (the game only tells you about one of them, and even then only in an optional area) < 1388615450 993589 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's really a different class of glitch < 1388615459 251306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Hazard Shield skip < 1388615459 441197 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, shinespark? < 1388615469 745439 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, that one wokrs < 1388615470 954644 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*works < 1388615480 868931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you don't know what a shinespark is, then it's safe to say that you don't understand what intended breaks are built into Super Metroid < 1388615488 342884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the easy way to do one, a ground-based vertical one < 1388615494 505151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is to get up to speed boost speed, crouch, then jump < 1388615495 252983 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's hard to know if they're all intended < 1388615500 174690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you keep going upwards < 1388615501 209812 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah as I said I only got about 1/4 to 1/2 into it < 1388615511 475698 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's entirely possible that the devs just didn't think about the consequences of the shinespark < 1388615523 689454 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are definitely dumb physics glitches like the gravity glitch < 1388615534 906774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: in my opinion, it's most likely that they explicitly didn't want to think about the consequences < 1388615543 325713 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's possible < 1388615546 323273 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you also forgot the ridiculous things you can do with bomb jumps < 1388615550 233168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, Super Metroid has a definite intended sequence < 1388615556 29266 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1388615557 1168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no, I didn't mention the infinite bomb jump, because it's possible it's a glitch < 1388615560 331046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than intended < 1388615571 236552 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not even the infinite one, but the sideways ones < 1388615572 943453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the shinespark is most definitely intended, as is walljump, as is crystal flash < 1388615584 162299 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gravity suit physics is definitely a glitch too < 1388615589 396083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that glitch is in lots of games < 1388615591 933699 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, I agree that the philosophy of SM is very different < 1388615596 94646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works in many Zelda games, for instance < 1388615621 763578 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I believe it < 1388615637 204128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have on my hard-drive an unfinished guide to glitches that appear all the time in games < 1388615652 866837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some even work in NetHack :-) < 1388615666 97819 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I just googled shinespark. I do believe I activated some variant of it by mistake at some point but never figured out how to do it again. But it was years ago I played any metroid, didn't really like the game, so I never went back to it. < 1388615674 360351 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I could misremember < 1388615687 579405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What glitches are some of them? < 1388615690 862516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anyway, the point is that most of the areas that appear to require specific items < 1388615697 166326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in what kind of games? < 1388615701 389648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are actually accessible via a combination of walljumps, infinite bomb jumps, and shinesparks < 1388615701 702483 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big difference between SM and MP I think is that SM has a bunch of features, and doesn't work in all the details of how they might affect the sequence. MP breaks almost exclusively require physics glitches < 1388615718 706937 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SJF is unusual in that it *doesn't*, but the devs attempted to squash it in future versions anyways < 1388615722 182640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well they're mostly numerical glitches < 1388615739 149225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SJF is a numerical glitch in that you get it via dashing further than you should be able to < 1388615756 900825 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, actually, I guess the exact dash effect could be seen as a glitch too < 1388615758 343499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you can get it by bombjumping too, but that needs you to actually get bombs first < 1388615762 238071 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's other things, like early Wild < 1388615768 271666 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just a poorly placed trigger < 1388615770 413772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well they tried to fix it in Metroid Prime 2, and in Metroid Prime PAL < 1388615781 989329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Metroid Prime 2, you have to let go of L (as in MP1) but also hold R, which is diffrent from MP1 < 1388615796 826729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the PAL version, you have to do it off an enemy, which means luring an enemy out of one of the nearby corridors, so it's much slower < 1388615805 467751 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1388615813 373547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, early Wild isn't a poorly placed trigger < 1388615818 953033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like the only place in the game where an infinite bomb jump works < 1388615826 382214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say the trigger's in the right place but the walls are weird < 1388615839 151176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making the infinite bomb jump possible < 1388615875 364153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, early Wild is awesome and the game's better for it existing < 1388615879 681159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't hurt anything < 1388615881 897204 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :other great ones: cargo ship skip, every thing about skipping Thardus < 1388615888 941211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like the Artifact of Wild actually does anything until after you'd normally need it < 1388615892 712374 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBJ breaks a lot and you can do worse < 1388615961 881317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also triple bomb jumps are pretty rarely useful < 1388615991 924363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cargo ship skip is the only one I can think of offhand, now that the rune door leading to the Charge Beam (?) turns out to be faster in in-game time to do the intended way < 1388616009 9385 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're thinking the one to flaaghra < 1388616057 405525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be < 1388616061 700263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to remember which was which < 1388616067 933418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are so similar-looking :-( < 1388616083 283072 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, the charge beam one is a big round one < 1388616155 677425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1388616166 404433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the big round one went to Flaahgra < 1388616170 673556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, something that I've been wondering about < 1388616177 429094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you actually need the charge beam for? < 1388616192 344937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even low%s get it, and I don't think they need super missiles < 1388616203 482494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only point I can think of that might potentially need it is the entrance to Phendrana < 1388616297 986286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, wow the logistics of making that glitch Zelda LA LP < 1388616335 565380 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ugh, I was reading this discussion on m2k2 the other day and now I can't remember < 1388616338 568275 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1388616352 685540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of looking on m2k2 < 1388616356 569789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the forums still alive? < 1388616361 730658 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :very < 1388616373 43905 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll find it < 1388616374 68752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the main website wasn't, last I looked < 1388616379 493787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll race you :-) < 1388616424 114408 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :charge beam has been skipped < 1388616452 693108 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :current min% is missiles, morph ball, bombs, varia, wave, ice, plasma, pbs, xray, and artifacts < 1388616512 129155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1388616528 863645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I'm wondering which missiles that is < 1388616545 400011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be the intended ones, I guess, there's no reason not to except it's a long fight < 1388616562 468811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that min% doesn't add up < 1388616575 533424 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 artifacts + 9 items < 1388616587 382989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 artifacts, + {missiles, morph ball, bombs, varia, wave, ice, plasma, power bombs, x-ray scope} < 1388616591 952664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that skips phazon suit < 1388616595 747249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is required for the final boss < 1388616620 477843 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :phazon suit isn't a % unless it's the last one < 1388616641 324806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it doesn't count towards percentage if you don't have gravity? < 1388616642 812973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird < 1388616649 31545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it counted for 2% < 1388616650 658906 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it doesn't count unless you have all other items < 1388616696 937586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, OK :-) < 1388616706 849490 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it doesn't count at all and the game just has no 99%; I don't know if anyone's gotten the energy tank afterward without it to be able to test this < 1388616707 98226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MP1's percentage counter is weird < 1388616728 321053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that collecting all the power bomb expansions but not the main power bombs gives you the same percentage as collecting the main power bombs? < 1388616737 327649 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1388616743 940673 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it just counts by number of PBs? < 1388616746 275567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1388616757 679534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Metroid Prime 2, they just add 1% whenever you collect an item < 1388616767 238038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can get 101% because there's one missile expansion you can pick up twice < 1388616784 723979 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the MP1 counter sounds like every bug ever in NetHack < 1388616825 579400 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the infinite boost item loss skip is so stupid < 1388616848 551577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one makes no sense < 1388616856 799699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the technical details are that it triggers every cutscene in the room at the same time < 1388616868 381165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the one where you land triggers before the one where you start falling so you end up at the wrong position < 1388616871 392313 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that it? wow < 1388616885 34873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have no idea /why/ it triggers every cutscene in the room at the same time < 1388616890 516109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Samus ends up infinitely large or something < 1388616895 114200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hitting all the triggers at once < 1388616899 936489 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1388616927 597705 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 20% MP1 thread on m2k2 is fun to read < 1388616979 213083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1388616992 610628 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :morph ball, missiles, bombs, pbs, xray, and artifacts all seem entirely unskipabble, barring some insane break that lets you into the impact crater without the artifacts < 1388617066 283931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :missiles aren't actually required for anything but doors, right? < 1388617070 795693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put them in the same category as beams < 1388617081 919592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly slightly easier because you don't have to hit the final boss with them < 1388617091 214308 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting the artifact of nature from the stalagmite < 1388617102 112758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you do that with the Charge Beam? < 1388617128 370789 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, but then you go up a % anyway < 1388617132 242267 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's irrelevant < 1388617139 246481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, ofc < 1388617148 708788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm < 1388617157 497185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1388617175 843318 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :one suggestion in the 20% thread was to get SJ and try and lose varia (assuming that SJ will help crossing magmoor) and something else like wave < 1388617178 644036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bombs are required for bomb jumps, in addition to many obstacles < 1388617180 19550 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wave seems like a popular target < 1388617197 840571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but how do you beat the final boss without it? < 1388617204 217153 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wait for him to change naturally < 1388617204 405226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't that many places you need it otherwise < 1388617212 711920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think he does in the first wave phase < 1388617214 773264 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :doors are the problem; they need to be SWed around < 1388617220 59523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or she < 1388617236 863595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I prefer the "Dark Samus is male" theory but it's not very popular < 1388617255 239867 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ascribe Dark Samus as female, but Metroid Prime as genderless < 1388617268 166309 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I tend to run with the French convention of using the masculine for neutral/unknown < 1388617281 348950 :bagulhex!~qpstnola@177.135.87.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388617288 218959 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to having been in French immersion < 1388617631 105162 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388617695 104613 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388619158 517277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: btw, looking up the beam use on the final boss itself, it forces you to use power/ice/wave but you can get away without plasma < 1388619166 574478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's reached the spontaneous-change phase before plasma is required < 1388619495 770564 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1388619733 390133 :bagulhex!~qpstnola@177.135.87.195 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388620697 121379 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388620833 631490 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah ok. I think what they're trying to do with wave is wallcrawl to plasma without it < 1388620841 818523 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then pick it up later < 1388620863 801844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're trying to get into Phendrana without Varia < 1388620875 487727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which requires Wave (obviously impossible), or Plasma + a bunch of tricks that haven't been found yet < 1388620877 971074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're looking for them < 1388620905 947735 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I get it < 1388620912 654487 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're trying to go through the back door < 1388620924 500732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1388620935 395485 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're down to needing only 2 more tricks < 1388620978 811783 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know offhand if you can wallcrawl out of the magmoor damage, like you can in dark aether? < 1388621002 722448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1388621501 419339 :bagulhex!~qpstnola@177.135.87.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388621696 372708 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1388622058 876445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, ais523, did any of you play other m by any chance < 1388622066 228227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hahahahahahahaha < 1388622137 834451 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I've beaten it < 1388622148 200447 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why the question is *that* funny to ais523 < 1388622152 856939 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The discovery of this room was a complete accident – much like this entire project – and to top it off, it is in a default world." < 1388622153 44984 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww yiss, you guys are talking metroid? < 1388622160 109871 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So WHY did you categorize it as a "custom" world? < 1388622175 462092 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :love me some Prime. < 1388622178 440421 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, the joke is other m < 1388622201 198712 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388622232 749693 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NewYearInterpol: it's highly on topic here < 1388622267 628392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not /really/, unless someone proves Metroid TC < 1388622278 653271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably PSPACE_complete the same way Mario is, actually < 1388622282 157752 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is not actually about esoteric programming languages < 1388622291 179199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I keep leaving because of that < 1388622321 118690 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you come back? < 1388622340 547222 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/pdf/1203.1895v1.pdf < 1388622349 206312 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is actually about metroid. < 1388622373 302680 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... this person misunderstands how Worlds actually works < 1388622484 572528 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worlds? < 1388622491 324266 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wat u play. < 1388622530 434768 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WorldsPlayer < 1388622544 838748 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that? < 1388622584 406972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: hope that it's got better < 1388622590 299638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or occasionally to test out a BF Joust program < 1388622592 412041 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1388622610 853685 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in zero mission you can grab a ledge and morph from it, right? < 1388622617 41536 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NewYearInterpol: really, really old 3d chat program < 1388622617 572233 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would break the constructions for Zero Mission < 1388622624 987608 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hahhaha. < 1388622625 714467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the Power Grip, yes, I think < 1388622636 728063 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yep. < 1388622642 516182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use crumble blocks, though < 1388622647 829437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to create one-way corridors < 1388622648 663005 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope this note I left isn't too rude http://gradualdime.wikia.com/wiki/Animal_House_Control_Room < 1388622655 110409 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a minute. < 1388622658 379610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hard part is creating switches that have effects down the line < 1388622666 646244 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you guys doing metroid ROM hacking? < 1388622690 499383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're discussing the computational class of Metroid games < 1388622703 726151 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so metroid ROM hacking. < 1388622716 77088 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, just level editing < 1388622719 587336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more like theoretical ROM hacking < 1388622723 510555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not planning to hack any ROMs < 1388622726 720951 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :along the lines of the mario and dkcountry NP proofs < 1388622726 908993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to discuss how it might work < 1388622733 607616 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i love that that paper had figures) < 1388622736 858068 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that the proof still holds, you just need more complicated gadgets < 1388622751 987033 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss the turing completeness of super metroid. < 1388622767 709923 :JZTech101!~JZTech101@botters/jztech101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388622773 2349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for Mario and Donkey Kong Country, you can use shells/barrels < 1388622775 201157 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you just not provide spacejump and use gravity for diodes? < 1388622782 572012 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i don't remember how the mechanisms worked anyway. < 1388622785 856717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: infinite wall jump can be done with no items < 1388622786 876919 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just talking metroid games with power trip < 1388622788 85056 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grip < 1388622789 596767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can use crumble blocks for diodes < 1388622791 900534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they're for < 1388622800 965902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely undefeatable < 1388622803 351721 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, i could never walljump for ass. < 1388622810 385699 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you walljump in the original? < 1388622810 713538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's intentionally difficult < 1388622813 710306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you won't find it by mistake < 1388622817 95099 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :super metroid cheats and has a crossover built in < 1388622819 296996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the original probably not < 1388622830 907011 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never played super metroid >_> < 1388622834 484062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that really long pipe thing in Maridia? < 1388622837 239818 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1388622845 771925 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :got the rom but it turns out phone touchpads are not good enough for snes controls < 1388622849 83374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :filling a game of /those/ would be tedious < 1388622866 734488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: especially not Super Metroid, which has famously convoluted controls < 1388622876 719684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had to simplify them for Fusion because of fewer buttons < 1388622894 687972 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez. < 1388622907 942173 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no way you could do fusion's trigger for missiles thing < 1388622967 65484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you might be able to do a crossover simply using momentum < 1388623014 45675 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1388623029 186636 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually, yeah, you could do it with regenerating speed boost blocks < 1388623046 780829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, clever < 1388623055 966862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to stop people shinesparking back the way they came, though? < 1388623061 400533 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to care about that < 1388623069 74255 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what're you guys trying to simulate? diodes? < 1388623072 256527 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need to ensure they can't change directions < 1388623072 737729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if you have some curved, crossing paths < 1388623074 584245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NewYearInterpol: crossover < 1388623082 102453 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :crossover? < 1388623096 547652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I'm thinking, you charge the speed boost, crouch on the way, then set it off in the middle < 1388623101 961321 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a way ffor two paths to cross. < 1388623102 149423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instantly refilling your momentum < 1388623111 117 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: lol. < 1388623113 619972 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: use speed boost vertically, morph ball tunnel horizontally < 1388623124 268211 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol/ < 1388623128 23225 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?* < 1388623128 211208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1388623130 95397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you can't speed boost downwards, but I guess that doesn't matter? < 1388623134 600082 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i fucking didn't < 1388623138 537041 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you only need one direction < 1388623141 723359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1388623167 958080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Super Metroid, what if you get down to low HP so that it stops halfway through, just when you're level with the tunnel < 1388623173 798618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(say using failed shinesparks) < 1388623183 225975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then mid-air morph and roll into the tunnel < 1388623191 519090 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, the hell is crossover. < 1388623197 304688 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what i said! < 1388623198 429310 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :super metroid doesn't have the power glove, so it's not a concern < 1388623208 759263 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're talking about making a horizontal route and a vertical route go through the same tiles < 1388623215 41606 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other m is 3d so you can just implement it by having them go round < 1388623219 444070 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :..lol. < 1388623222 957380 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1388623224 78254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it is, you can get into a morph tunnel in mid-air in Super Metroid < 1388623228 803718 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so mzm and fusion are the only ones you need to worry about < 1388623230 602936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speedrunners do it all the time on the way back from getting bombs < 1388623233 375552 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1388623238 795801 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, good point < 1388623239 410505 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1388623240 501137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ridiculously precise but it's possible < 1388623266 246819 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but super metroid already has a crossover so all's good < 1388623272 66871 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, hmm < 1388623278 420847 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this breaks the Clause gadget too < 1388623287 94886 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it's totally broken in any game with power bombs < 1388623304 148557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you use super missile blocks instead, which are immune to power bombs? < 1388623315 713197 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. logic. < 1388623319 130377 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you guys are doing. < 1388623329 984588 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. I was lost. < 1388623333 810082 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how do you make it implement a 3-sat clause though? < 1388623342 132029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I'm not sure yet < 1388623590 151607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do planar 3-coloring, no crossover needed. < 1388623598 323732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1388623755 507958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the Clause gadget work again? < 1388623769 86457 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lots of zoomers < 1388623771 753088 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the PDF < 1388623776 781732 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a picture < 1388623796 568675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a link to the PDF handy? < 1388623811 982559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I didn't realise there was a Metroid version already < 1388623881 659848 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I linked it above < 1388623884 992891 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all the same paper < 1388623893 21291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there we go < 1388623896 278565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed the link the first time < 1388624520 521956 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1388625379 595458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1388625967 298357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are quite a few issues in this paper < 1388625978 210002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've already discussed the Power Grip issue with the given crossover in Metroid < 1388625988 188968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and more worryingly, the Clause construction) < 1388626029 184328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Pokémon construction's also "wrong", in that Alakazam could keep missing with Psychic (it has a 255/256 hit chance), but that's easily fixable via PP abuses < 1388626160 155349 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Clause is vulnerable to power bomb < 1388626171 96852 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: afaict the construction works for the original metroid though < 1388626185 685248 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it might actually be possible to get through with some bombs < 1388626223 932558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can infinite bomb jump in the original metroid < 1388626228 303591 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you have any good let's play recommendations? < 1388626230 844875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just get into it from below < 1388626236 919953 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in original metroid? < 1388626254 525564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :via infinite bomb jump into the tunnel after killing the zoomers < 1388626263 499650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think their constructions are designed to just not give you the power bomb < 1388626389 835599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1388627244 196592 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388630740 121089 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388630752 24144 :nucular!~MOO@89.204.138.157 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388630752 212474 :nucular!~MOO@89.204.138.157 QUIT :Changing host < 1388630752 212620 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1388630757 825405 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Excess Flood < 1388630764 636450 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :Zen < 1388630780 305229 :Guest36982!~MOO@89.204.138.157 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388630782 587288 :Guest36982!~MOO@89.204.138.157 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1388630784 124728 :Zen!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :Zuu < 1388630880 302557 :nuculear!~MOO@89.204.135.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388630959 628493 :nuculear!~MOO@89.204.135.77 NICK :nucular < 1388630970 948168 :nucular!~MOO@89.204.135.77 QUIT :Changing host < 1388630971 136676 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1388631402 31471 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388631415 922446 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1388631417 816268 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Excess Flood < 1388631445 838965 :nucular!~MOO@89.204.135.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388631446 27013 :nucular!~MOO@89.204.135.77 QUIT :Changing host < 1388631446 27165 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1388631447 416536 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Excess Flood < 1388631490 853872 :nucular!~MOO@89.204.135.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388631491 41950 :nucular!~MOO@89.204.135.77 QUIT :Changing host < 1388631491 42080 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1388631993 947453 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388632000 652241 :nutty!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1388632002 573698 :nutty!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Excess Flood < 1388632047 886720 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1388632050 460372 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Excess Flood < 1388632478 510619 :Cacophony!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/cacophony JOIN :#esoteric < 1388632817 761892 :bagulhex!~qpstnola@177.135.87.195 QUIT :Quit: CyberScript - O ministrio da sade adverte: usar CyberScript causa dependncia! (www.cyberscript.org) < 1388633083 847192 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-224-236.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388633162 925827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388633185 847100 :Bike__!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388633188 323591 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388633233 974845 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-157.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388633286 696538 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388633363 786951 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-224-236.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388633814 565232 :Bike__!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1388633960 400611 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to make the graphics for the Famicom version of my "Attribute Zone" game? < 1388634114 419050 :Cacophony!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/cacophony QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310] < 1388634474 850532 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never heard of this game < 1388634502 964667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made it up. < 1388634546 250015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently only PC version exists, and it just uses PC text mode graphics. < 1388634655 674177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Despite this, the game rules are designed around the Famicom.) < 1388634658 465001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the game like? < 1388634678 637134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i play it? < 1388634680 86237 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i play on linux < 1388634713 945484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you advertise software as for "PC" but no OS then I'm going to assume it's bootable and will run it in QEmu :) < 1388634746 719123 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1388634780 33115 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That is a good idea, but I have included no bootloader; it needs some DOS functions. It is a DOS program. However maybe it can be fixed to support a plain PC. < 1388634788 217278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, you can play it, you need the file http://zzo38computer.org/GAMES/CGACOLL.ZIP which contains ATTRZONE.* < 1388634808 575314 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388634823 752087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I can play it in DOSBox probably < 1388634827 414232 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1388634830 890051 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it would < 1388634901 139646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you need a way to run DOS programs, or some way to compile it to work in other systems (although it uses PC hardware registers, so you need to convert those too unless you only want to remove the OS requirement and still have it run in a PC or PC emulator). < 1388634910 333199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yes probably DOSBox will work. < 1388635038 173425 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you briefly describe the goal and idea of the game < 1388635074 359030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is described in the relevant section of CGACOLL.DOC (search it for "ATTRZONE"), but I can also explain more if you have other questions. < 1388635104 565909 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to hire a PR person. < 1388635127 189939 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: If I intend to sell any of these things sometimes, then maybe I will. But for now I don't. < 1388635255 371519 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs an android x86 emu for DOSing < 1388635367 680060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main idea of this game is that you cannot have two different non-white colors of pieces in a single 2x2 block. Another rule is no more than eight sprites per row. < 1388635381 209851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently there is only two levels but you can make your own if you want to. < 1388635389 942508 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could start with "it's a puzzle game" < 1388635400 45231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, it is that. < 1388635414 23975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This ZIP archive is full of many other games too! < 1388636476 894879 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn the dos emu for android doesn't let you add new files to its filesystem. it emulates a fixed hard drive < 1388637417 51596 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1388637627 374230 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1388637637 439967 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1388637748 913726 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388637848 8727 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1388641575 944507 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1388641645 832576 :Rho1st!~Rho1st@2602:304:28aa:b40:b86a:3741:6e41:1014 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388642047 752959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's the idea of a "free object" on a set where you take an equivalence class of ASTs, more or less. < 1388642109 743366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. you start with all the elements in a set, you add a 1 element and you make every tree that you can using (*), and then you consider trees equal if the monoid laws force them to be equal. < 1388642156 164924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's also e.g. the idea of a free category on a graph, where you take paths through the graph (and if your graph has one object and a set of loops, you end up with the same free monoid). < 1388642171 186444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you think of a construction like that in a similar way? < 1388642214 172160 :Rho1st!~Rho1st@2602:304:28aa:b40:b86a:3741:6e41:1014 PART :#esoteric < 1388642330 943251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have much intuition for the general sense of "free object" other than the definition (a left adjoint). < 1388642821 846469 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1388645410 184841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ evince downloads/541.pdf < 1388645410 409633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(evince:9676): GLib-ERROR **: creating thread 'EvJobScheduler': Error creating thread: Resource temporarily unavailable < 1388645413 188992 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trace/breakpoint trap < 1388645418 920362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1388645445 770015 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked the second time because chromium crashed in the meantime? < 1388646503 950902 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unlike Bitcoin, Namecoin, and Litecoin, Peercoin does not have a hard limit on the number of possible coins, but is designed to eventually attain an annual inflation rate of 1 percent. This feature, along with increased energy efficiency, aim to allow for greater long-term scalability." < 1388646516 797236 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that.. actually more sensible, or is that just guessing that that's more sensible? < 1388646556 489688 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fed controls inflation thrugh controlling interest rates, i think? i don't know how an intrinsic inflation efects things < 1388646945 537975 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh neat, proof of stake basically makes sure that transaction fees aren't sole incentive for miners < 1388646968 552451 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1388648080 704456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: a hard limit gives you deflation, which encourages hoarding rather than spending < 1388648089 757574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems to me like a good change < 1388648094 858187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i know next to nothing about economics < 1388648166 490156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can say that cryptocurrencies have mortmain monetary policy but really they have monetary policy set by a hashrate-weighted direct democracy < 1388648199 504448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be interesting to have a decentralized currency with a one-vote-per-person direct democracy < 1388648255 698675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably need some central authority to decide what a "person" is, though < 1388648255 886710 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mortmain? < 1388648259 860413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead hand < 1388648262 413585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy word < 1388648274 547243 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond a poor peasant like me, sir < 1388648286 887405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :central authority e.g. a national identity smartcard system like taiwan has (only without the fatally broken random number generators lolololol) < 1388648372 437061 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here i thought it was some hipness for "mortal [dying] main authority" < 1388648379 24010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1388648381 377981 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could do anonymous e-voting (the usual way is additively homeomorphic encryption, I believe) < 1388648412 989778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember how that works < 1388648423 835840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa, homeomorphic encryption? < 1388648428 277771 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :homeomorphic encrytion is dark magic and nothing less < 1388648429 411893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a thing < 1388648437 711945 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess it's spellt homomorphic < 1388648445 949686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other fields use the two words interchangeably don't they? < 1388648446 840507 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there actual implementations, i forget < 1388648450 235905 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, good ones. < 1388648451 910804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes < 1388648455 603971 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dag < 1388648457 528964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do they? < 1388648467 988439 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I like parpolity but not parecon, but parpolity seems to rely on parecon < 1388648470 438891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well even RSA is homomorphic for multiplication < 1388648480 127028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the only meaning of "homeomorphism" i've ever heard is "isomorphism of topological spaces" < 1388648487 10627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1388648502 242079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :homeomorphic encryption sounds like it would be exciting < 1388648509 931139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: but there are actual implementations for schemes that can compute any circuit, too < 1388648513 397236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/shaih/HElib < 1388648516 382681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about "good ones" < 1388648519 960657 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh < 1388648530 373538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bootstrapped homomorphic encryption is p. cool < 1388648534 434716 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i just mean, like, usable to run a country or whatever. < 1388648548 47578 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bike, nothing is good by that standard." < 1388648550 115659 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homeopathic encryption: add 9 parts NULs to 1 part of data, shake well into three directions, repeat the process 30 to 100 times. < 1388648589 211929 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yummy! < 1388648595 967965 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take a part of the result, it will contain the essence of the original data. < 1388648748 443441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: with a HE primitive, you can only do a certain amount of computation on each encrypted value, and bootstrapping solves this awesomely with self-reference < 1388648750 682428 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"However, security against adaptive chosen ciphertext attacks (CCA2) is equivalent to non-malleability." < 1388648760 303770 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: cool. < 1388648785 753814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://crypto.stanford.edu/craig/easy-fhe.pdf is the shit < 1388648787 371990 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to understand hom(e)omorphic encryption once but couldn't get past the consequences. incidentally this is about as far as i understand any encyryption < 1388648810 556912 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really incidental so much as my entire point, hm. < 1388648851 28420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :consequences? < 1388648873 473595 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole computation on encrypted data thingie < 1388649079 243923 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388649660 659839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "get past" i guess < 1388649703 988875 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388649765 377832 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i don't unerstand shit < 1388650009 358490 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388650306 888593 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388650806 940022 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1388650820 355496 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388651533 348963 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388651812 658774 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388651838 880550 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388652019 115423 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388652846 268427 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388653407 22723 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388653519 898956 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388654395 104455 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388655750 116945 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388655858 663591 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42972.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1388656507 861440 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388658394 5116 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently floating eyes that hunt you down and chomp at you and put you in a secret part of the attic are "weird" < 1388658882 631564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that happen to you often? < 1388658931 892739 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It happens in WorldsPlayer when someone in AnimalHouse gets past a fence they shouldn't be able to < 1388658941 924740 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why people keep calling WorldsPlayer creepy < 1388658977 904249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it bother you that people keep calling WorldsPlayer creepy? [Responses from this point on provided by M-x doctor.] < 1388659341 197890 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Woah... that's just a mirror, but it freaked me out, because this game is weird" < 1388659373 532055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did you first know that this game is weird? < 1388659397 866527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, I have to go to the shop now. (That was no longer from Emacs.) < 1388661969 909234 :olsner!~salparot@78-72-235-77-no50.business.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388662772 256109 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-37-49-6-33.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1388662913 984433 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388663047 338313 :NewYearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com NICK :LinearInterpol < 1388663287 482399 :olsner!~salparot@78-72-235-77-no50.business.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1388664079 116250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1388664956 128526 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1388664970 124629 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388665001 873868 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388665057 776184 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388665210 346434 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388666901 32489 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388666991 872861 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388666995 840039 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Derp < 1388667017 272412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Membiio < 1388667022 60277 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09Membiio: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06irc.dal.net.) < 1388667063 394456 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1388667086 932735 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>+++++++++++++[->++++++++++++++<]>+++++++++++++++++. < 1388667098 224159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >+++++++++++++[->++++++++++++++<]>+++++++++++++++++. < 1388667105 44086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1388667113 37705 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eek? < 1388667125 227133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: BOT RUN AWAY < 1388667156 757865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf >+++++++++++++[->++++++++++++++<]>+++++++++++++++++. < 1388667157 404264 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ç < 1388667158 868843 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ < 1388667159 70988 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What... Bot... < 1388667171 186361 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just confused now. < 1388667176 839514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's name is fungot < 1388667179 901532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its < 1388667194 380230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately EgoBot also has a bf command. < 1388667205 863117 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay... < 1388667244 522099 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FiM++ is hard. < 1388667245 342816 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1388667251 930899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eek. < 1388667308 468523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pratchett.freenode.net seems to have gone away. < 1388667358 207570 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me needz halp < 1388667393 607640 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1388667394 134007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt we have any FiM++ experts here. < 1388667471 668319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Gregor, since he's a brony < 1388667487 23520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he doesn't look present < 1388667492 395272 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1388667497 623552 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1388667542 198255 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got anything simple? < 1388667634 106622 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1388667725 674476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Membiio: i'm afraid the reason we don't talk about FiM++ and languages like that (e.g. LOLCODE) much is that they're really just a heap of fluff around an underlying very _normal_ language. < 1388667754 887580 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1388667760 484438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the things we _do_ like to talk about here are even worse to program in. < 1388667775 778565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you've already noticed bf) < 1388667795 767938 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1388667860 657945 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE NEED A LANGUAGE BASED ON BACON AND BAGELS. < 1388667882 6879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can try Chef, that's at least food :P < 1388667963 497528 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0_0 < 1388667987 579264 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand Chef. < 1388668052 240738 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it work? < 1388668154 980420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well chef is a lot of fluff _and_ a more awkward underlying language. i cannot exactly read it on the spot either. < 1388668204 659428 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw... < 1388668286 11241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a language _without_ fluff and very simply basic commands, you can try Underload. alas it's still not easy to do anything advanced with. < 1388668320 862797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf also doesn't have fluff. < 1388668807 35292 :Membiio!5e06a99b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.6.169.155 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388669349 839836 :impomatic!~digital_w@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388669542 348765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No food either. < 1388669554 710123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except maybe FOOD FOR THOUGHT. < 1388670046 974595 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@169.244.180.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388670412 985981 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :SKI calculus! < 1388670446 162915 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCKW calculus is totally underrated < 1388670500 673931 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1388670720 131395 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1388670870 98132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Homeopathic encryption: add 9 parts NULs to 1 part of data, shake well into three directions, repeat the process 30 to 100 times. < 1388670874 411486 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1153) Homeopathic encryption: add 9 parts NULs to 1 part of data, shake well into three directions, repeat the process 30 to 100 times. < 1388670950 57801 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@169.244.180.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :effective. < 1388671048 907653 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388671314 384163 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good anne morning! < 1388671320 95632 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYQB < 1388671343 448071 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388671354 957084 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYQB < 1388671357 259968 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 021300Z 02004KT 30SM FEW015 SCT180 M31/M36 A3055 RMK SC1AC2 SLP355 < 1388671515 909151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's anne < 1388671659 789980 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be me. I've been shifted to a different table because my mom and aunt are going to do scrapbooking today. I'm sitting at a green one in the basement. < 1388671667 666165 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that makes me Anne of Green Tables. < 1388671963 520818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: "I predict that a century hence the Canadian people will be the noblest specimens of humanity on the face of the Earth", rev. John Bredin, 1863, via xkcd. Do you feel this was an accurate prediction? < 1388672073 200131 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not to sound sycophantic this morning, but I thing Scandinavian people are in a better pool position than us. < 1388672084 919782 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/g\b/k/ < 1388672200 856144 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good mornink! < 1388672239 156307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Does "better pool position" translate to "more likely to go down a hole"? < 1388672371 923379 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm drinking coffee. I can't be pessimistic. < 1388672408 665820 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: good topic ... nothing sounds stranger than the truth. < 1388672434 699521 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to the poor /topic? < 1388672444 983337 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388673321 475595 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com NICK :`^_^v < 1388674218 232155 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388675377 22879 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388675492 198112 :Chillectual!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1388675559 213629 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@169.244.180.190 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1388675563 956625 :Chillectual!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us NICK :LinearInterpol < 1388675649 460511 :Chillectual!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1388675679 204941 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1388675684 884960 :Chillectual!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us NICK :LinearInterpol < 1388676409 957244 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388676926 544167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1388677058 453527 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388677218 139273 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388677435 850690 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388678483 116991 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1388678559 722876 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mornin boilyface < 1388678704 761773 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon matintopia. < 1388678708 585872 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily face? < 1388678904 954393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Catface, he's got a big cat's face, he's got the body of a cat, and the face of a cat, and he flies through the air cos' he's got a catface, catface! < 1388678921 631776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a song.) < 1388678988 170508 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do this day? < 1388679119 706152 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :work. < 1388679230 331855 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, I have unlimited coffee and there's a fire in the hearth. < 1388679542 142827 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's life on your end? not too cold today? < 1388679580 465271 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1388679956 387290 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1388680458 118187 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, nothing like where you are < 1388680500 475252 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KATL < 1388680501 273607 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KATL 021618Z 22005KT 1 1/2SM BR OVC005 09/08 A2987 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 5 RAE04 P0001 < 1388680510 854458 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1388680664 232014 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i will have to work today < 1388680675 255508 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should eat < 1388681777 627242 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ESSA < 1388681778 227463 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSA 021650Z 15009KT 9999 BKN020 04/00 Q1009 R01L/29//95 R08/25//95 R01R/29//95 NOSIG < 1388681825 57319 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare you all having over-zero temperatures? < 1388681953 462567 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar LOWI < 1388681954 443720 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 021650Z VRB02KT 9999 FEW060 BKN070 OVC100 03/M01 Q1012 R08/19//95 NOSIG < 1388681964 890987 :monotone_!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1388681972 400413 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1388681988 5706 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388682007 196452 :monotone_!~monotone@room208.org NICK :monotone < 1388682206 32847 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just my browser rendering wrong, or does the funciton page contain a smaller second copy of the entire page embedded near the end of it < 1388682595 614919 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the wiki? the page looks normal here. < 1388682693 573244 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1388682736 500680 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it rendered right when i closed the tab and reopened it < 1388682875 966628 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia's being haunted by poltertabs. < 1388682901 225002 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: < 1388682905 142113 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shivers < 1388683241 660475 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1388684308 984132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc65575-sgyl31-2-0-cust736.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388684315 843385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc65575-sgyl31-2-0-cust736.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1388684316 49438 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388684353 193702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1388684354 504514 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 021720Z 12011KT 9999 BKN017 00/M03 Q1017 NOSIG < 1388684370 833467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, barely made it to the over-zero club. < 1388684378 837967 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, THE AUNTS ARE COMING! < 1388684524 906598 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they joining the green table? < 1388684580 16633 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. the Green Table is Mine. < 1388684637 912676 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds lonely < 1388684669 218722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :'tis the season for aunts, I guess. < 1388684679 806104 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i be a knight of the green table? < 1388684720 515961 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sir Quintopia de la Vertable, serving under Fizzie, King of the Flying Wizard Dogs. < 1388684817 811034 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still love that name. < 1388685144 862806 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thanks < 1388686768 281131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://defuse.ca/bochs-hacking-guide.htm guide to hacking Bochs, including adding new instructions and registers < 1388686807 46266 :Chillectual!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1388686836 551954 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rnsa < 1388686900 122527 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1388686906 989622 :Chillectual!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us NICK :LinearInterpol < 1388687166 738038 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck rnsa < 1388687167 390180 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Royal Naval Sailing Association is the governing body that oversees all aspects of sailing, both racing and recreational sailing cruises, throughout the British Royal Navy. < 1388687978 900484 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1388687994 959287 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388688219 995900 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388688238 899014 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388688278 859007 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388688310 792013 :Sorella!~queen@201.80.214.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388688310 997027 :Sorella!~queen@201.80.214.167 QUIT :Changing host < 1388688310 997167 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1388688333 986253 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-206.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388688770 300122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorella, your autoident is fucked, hth < 1388688821 208284 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc on xchat you fix this by entering your password in the 'server password' form rather than 'nickserv password' < 1388688861 370325 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1388688874 52888 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ah, yeah. I moved from ERC to XChat yesterday and didn't configure it yet < 1388688938 759507 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure you set the encoding to utf-8 as well then < 1388688967 430455 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1388688968 490333 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be ridiculous, phǟntom < 1388688999 718024 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there programs that don't do that automatically these days? < 1388689051 687297 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i.e. xchat < 1388689065 972012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses a braindead iso-whatever/utf-8 hybrid < 1388689165 626253 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's one nice diacrḯtic stack. < 1388689175 105457 :CADD!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wuzkcyyvslnvcjvc QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388689175 310970 :typeclassy!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fqtzihsmfhiqshdv QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388689264 951975 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ǡǟ < 1388689380 198666 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL you can have above-dot and macron on a letter. we live in a Good Universe. < 1388689408 840841 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/abs/1312.7128 adventures in tenure < 1388689508 895836 :CADD!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wuzkcyyvslnvcjvc JOIN :#esoteric < 1388689509 139473 :typeclassy!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fqtzihsmfhiqshdv JOIN :#esoteric < 1388689603 962484 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42972.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388689672 573093 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1388689676 909867 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388690991 742716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No time travelers were discovered." Sad. < 1388691081 556882 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Hungarumlaut... [citation needed” ← also sad. that words need to be officially homologated. < 1388691091 135884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Requests for Time Travelers to Issue a Prescient Internet Communication" ha, nobody's going to answer that one, they'd be nabbed by the Time Cops for sure. < 1388691094 858474 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1388691277 795218 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388691440 809694 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: to answer your earlier question about the topic, I would say that it is in TURMOIL. < 1388691455 649134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hashtagging -- labeling Internet content with terms beginning with a "#" -- originated on the Internet in the Internet Relay Chat (IRC) channels, --" weeeel. < 1388691469 755744 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but why so much TROUBLE? I mean, such a PEACEFUL topic... < 1388691487 682066 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388691590 540344 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://cryptome.org/2014/01/nsa-codenames.htm HTH < 1388691623 790116 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/NSA_SURLYSPAWN.jpg < 1388691639 783145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh don't click that link if you work for the US government or ever intend to get a security clearance < 1388691678 249914 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is that a real one or is it from the generator < 1388691683 397254 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid future. < 1388691684 215249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :real i think < 1388691690 200029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the scarier things about this spy gadget catalog is that the stuff in it is at least 7 years old < 1388691701 237977 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh. < 1388691760 583221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they put an ARM processor, 100 MB of storage, and an FPGA in a package the size of a penny... at the same time the original iPhone was being developed < 1388691770 105977 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/03/23/lifetimes/asi-v-fair.html Happy 2014, also < 1388691783 862364 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388691833 661651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :developing this stuff must be such a fun job if you ignore all the parts that aren't < 1388691870 427887 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this sentence. "Windows need be no more than an archaic touch." < 1388691880 458445 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm not surprised. FPGAs have been around for a looooooong time, and building a low-cost, low-power, small-as-fuck one wasn't hard years ago. < 1388691905 449641 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all comes down to how many logic elements it has, and you can do a lot with a few of them. < 1388691911 127393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed they used a commercially available one < 1388691935 3358 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it, altera, xilinx? < 1388691938 928374 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/nasa-gets-two-military-spy-telescopes-for-astronomy/2012/06/04/gJQAsT6UDV_print.html < 1388691941 40545 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some other obscure brand? < 1388691951 247715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xilinx i think, but i'd have to look it up < 1388691961 870892 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xilinx does good work. < 1388691963 354103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yeah that was pretty cool < 1388691975 5211 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck xilinx tools grr grr grr < 1388691983 343792 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, better than altera's shitty linux support. < 1388691992 579495 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fact that they dumped the waveform simulator in like quartus 9. < 1388691995 306893 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 10. < 1388692003 35388 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The appliances of 2014 will have no electric cords, of course, for they will be powered by long- lived batteries running on radioisotopes." < 1388692021 692013 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure they will. and I'm a fucking fairy. < 1388692074 290087 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good, astonishingly close. < 1388692103 75772 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the asimov thing) < 1388692125 993801 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asimov thing? < 1388692129 630630 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1388692130 306075 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote. < 1388692130 746136 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1388692131 875882 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :futurolgy is always fun like this. predicts self-driving cars in development, but also flying cars < 1388692155 688194 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also moving sidewalks. why would anyone want moving sidewalks? < 1388692160 514880 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a story I remember that asimov wrote that was friggin' awesome. < 1388692164 840261 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :'murica < 1388692188 182258 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: see airports. but they are too high maintenance for outdoor areas. < 1388692188 648160 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Last Question" < 1388692229 856750 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 2014, there is every likelihood that the world population will be 6,500,000,000 and the population of the United States will be 350,000,000. Boston-to-Washington, the most crowded area of its size on the earth, will have become a single city with a population of over 40,000,000." hey, slick. < 1388692245 160631 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: are those really sidewalks? i mean, you don't stop at storefronts on the way. < 1388692286 340370 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: scarily accurate. < 1388692295 730723 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: they are not, but the idea is the same, speeding up walking by steping on some moving strip < 1388692304 902805 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stepping < 1388692317 143030 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«The 2014 fair will feature an Algae Bar at which "mock-turkey" and "pseudosteak" will be served.» hell yeah motherfucers < 1388692352 964855 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft, I read a story with algae farms that took place in 1992 < 1388692361 68085 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pseudosteak < 1388692365 402270 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tofusteak? < 1388692367 839697 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :psteak. < 1388692370 23091 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously. < 1388692398 853982 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSTEAK < 1388692406 39418 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's deliciously solvable. < 1388692414 619481 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not all the world's population will enjoy the gadgety world of the future to the full. A larger portion than today will be deprived and although they may be better off, materially, than today, they will be further behind when compared with the advanced portions of the world. They will have moved backward, relatively." < 1388692477 63992 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388692756 411264 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, communication is satellite based rather than cell based. < 1388692781 872538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :delicious Jacobs Orange Club, Penguin, and Jaffa Cake < 1388692818 333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :attn. hexhamites < 1388692885 311713 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many hexhamites are left? < 1388693221 401710 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3tVUJPIhaI < 1388694027 160936 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42972.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1388694167 55876 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-37-49-6-33.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1388694595 225237 :impomatic!~digital_w@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388695138 939234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388695220 708754 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg29TuWo0Yo < 1388695220 949269 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good god this is terrifying. < 1388695394 919995 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“hot young tech wizard”. he he he. < 1388695414 604345 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pinball wizard < 1388695423 647254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wizard dog. < 1388695493 723227 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DirectX 11 saved my marriage. < 1388695545 34328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, there's an Epic Pinball remake on the iThings (called "Retro Pinball"). < 1388696148 531965 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtu.be/XvdpjZYLumw < 1388696279 959617 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeeessssssssssss. < 1388696333 790943 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388696348 636578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on their name, I was expecting more ukulele. < 1388696349 260912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1388696351 252769 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1388696355 374208 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388696370 952572 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1388696374 999920 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadappayoface. < 1388697001 65909 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388697050 630094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oh, missed that it's asimov < 1388697132 594009 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what am I attending to? < 1388697138 280315 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: eh? < 1388697155 561546 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what are you tanebbing again? < 1388697172 15471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/03/23/lifetimes/asi-v-fair.html < 1388697185 34352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, that was meant to be "Bike:" < 1388697216 279271 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now known as a Bike-proxy < 1388697342 243349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is that when you ride on an exercise bike, and it's remotely connected to the handlebars and pedals of a real bike somewhere out there in, say, the streets of London < 1388697376 980383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a camera that keeps track of where it's going, so you get a view from the bike < 1388697396 851241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what this technology is useful yet, but it sounds like an intereting idea < 1388697493 577560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe there are things for rendering a virtual environment you can exercise-bike through. < 1388697497 152334 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being a courier is a dangerous job. with remote-controlled bikes, this removes almost all possibilities of grievous bodily harm. < 1388697502 394617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like a high-fidelity version of that. < 1388697524 214149 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, because it's made of bikes, it's eco-friendly and keeps you in shape! < 1388697524 417498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like boily's idea better < 1388697530 67838 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazon to begin deliveries by bike drone < 1388697542 404597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I doubt it's that eco-friendly < 1388697550 620071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They could offer a feature where the customer gets to drive the bike. < 1388697557 690855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won't generate much electricity on the exercise bike, not really enough to offset the needs of the bike drone < 1388697559 988202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be far better than reloading the package status tracking page. < 1388697565 830028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like something from Black Mirror < 1388697580 908077 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION raps on Bike with a maple stick < 1388697583 698710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, they could do that for their quadcopter delivery things, I think that'd be enormously popular. < 1388697599 952991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Plus no need to build fancy software to fly.) < 1388697625 7271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they'd almost certainly be flown into buildings and each other and the like < 1388697627 468297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or used to spy on people < 1388697630 377798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to build a bike drone < 1388697634 585114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, a robot bike < 1388697686 188141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Perhaps they'd offer it only when their heuristics say the object being ordered is so desirable, the person controlling it will be extra careful. < 1388697703 674869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And also fly it straight home without dallying around.) < 1388697725 833695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: help < 1388697730 865881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there many autonomous two-wheeled devices? < 1388697748 249436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or autonomous unicycles, for that matter. < 1388697752 62319 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, something relevant for Hexhamites < 1388697775 927040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh, jaffa cakes and things < 1388697791 139280 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1388697795 634977 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like jaffa cakes < 1388697800 808616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Taneb/shachaf conversation looks weird even if you read scrollback < 1388697830 163332 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this is #esoteric, it's practically weird by definition < 1388697834 24630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :autonomous unicycle might be easier < 1388697849 739636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: something I wanted to invent was a self-balancing unicycle < 1388697853 764518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't require any skill from the rider < 1388697859 178697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a "100 unicycle collision avoidance 2" video in youtube, but I can't tell what I'm looking at. It's just a bunch of wireframe circles. < 1388697861 464095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just sit on it motionless and it would stay upright < 1388697866 531337 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still need to learn to ride the unicycle < 1388697888 549478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also some actual unicycle robots.) < 1388697891 631355 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtu.be/LdjY6oy4Y2c < 1388697924 548758 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So... you wanted to invent a *boring* unicycle? < 1388697944 337222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: well, the unicycle itself would be interesting; riding it would be boring, though < 1388697953 514046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There was a video of that, actually. < 1388697968 432495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT8F7fRV5fc I don't know if it's a real thing or not. < 1388697992 822179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you might have wanted something you still pedal. < 1388698005 844082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one's just basically a unicycle segway. < 1388698041 803747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I think I prefer a unicycle segway < 1388698051 220139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, some engineers at Google tried to show me a Segway once but it wasn't working < 1388698079 870560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one isn't nearly as tall as I wanted, though < 1388698109 725865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U3-X but that's pretty similar. < 1388698229 301825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An error has occurred while searching: Pool queue is full" I don't think Wikipedia search has given me that before. < 1388698272 828891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"EcoBoomer Co., Ltd. Is A Leading Manufacturer Of Self-Balancing Electric Human Transporters, E-Bikes, & Electric Unicycles" fancy, a leading electric unicycle manufacturer. < 1388698299 671462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Joining the likes of the eniCycle, Solowheel and SBU, we now have the LED-light-strip-adorned EcoBoomer iGo." < 1388698304 55124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's like a whole pile of them. < 1388698306 218291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I can't tell whether I like jaffa cakes. < 1388698314 73710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's so much mystique surrounding them that it's difficult to tell. < 1388698347 809730 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd want a self-balancing bike < 1388698357 120804 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a regular bike < 1388698361 774714 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with two wheels and all < 1388698408 885497 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm not sure if you can steer with it then < 1388698435 562716 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be cool for like front breaks < 1388698442 805306 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like an ABS system for bikes < 1388698460 807729 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inverse pendulums are quite something. < 1388698492 191247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a self-balancing electric bike in the search results when I was looking for the unicycles. < 1388698591 10815 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388698611 44234 :lala!ba6986f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.134.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388698634 249631 :lala!ba6986f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.134.243 NICK :Guest83766 < 1388698670 405075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've wanted a solowheel for so long < 1388698675 773512 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why do they think that a self balancing bike is useful? < 1388698680 679443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some people would just say this is magic, but it's really gyroscopes." < 1388698699 112540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.marriedtothesea.com/033107/gyroscopes.gif < 1388698705 709228 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It practically really balances itself without any actual self-balancing stuff < 1388698708 799365 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ecoboomer looks pretty stupid < 1388698722 284819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a rideable toilet < 1388698740 96149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Well, it's not really a "bike", it's got thing you sit in and all. Basically, it's like taking a tiny car and trying to make it even smaller. < 1388698749 911866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Perhaps they could integrate that functionality in. < 1388698756 76488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could even be a power source < 1388698806 205821 :Guest83766!ba6986f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.105.134.243 QUIT :Client Quit < 1388698816 626229 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"self-balancing electric transporters" i see i'm getting sidelined here :< < 1388698833 73216 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thegreenhead.com/imgs/ecoboomer-igo-self-balancing-electric-unicycle-7.jpg wow, it /does/ look like a toilet. < 1388698845 19932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did you see the video of swarm quadcopters throwing inverted pendulums? < 1388698852 581806 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, fun < 1388698864 439173 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"does it look like a toilet" should be on every consumer product design checklist < 1388698884 604747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah those quadcopters were so cute < 1388698894 293646 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way they do a little dance to stabilize when they catch the pole < 1388698901 481468 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooookay this is bad. < 1388698907 17788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a 360° flip after they toss it < 1388698946 838331 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nsnbc.me/2013/12/30/tepco-quietly-admits-reactor-3-melting-now/ < 1388699016 870622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuuuuuuck < 1388699026 502026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :google "nsnbc" and tell me that's a legit news organisation < 1388699042 893171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay the sources might be right < 1388699045 418759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: They also sounded like angry bees in at least the one video I saw. < 1388699047 276611 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Persons residing on the west coast of North America should IMMEDIATELY begin preparing for another possible onslaught of dangerous atmospheric radiation from the Fukushima nuclear disaster site in Japan.” < 1388699047 480035 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's .me? < 1388699051 64409 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a real domain < 1388699058 191064 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the steam is reported by other news orgs < 1388699060 59580 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or one of those funky new domains? < 1388699073 246781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it's intended for personal websites, I think < 1388699077 385907 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Montenegro. < 1388699079 331752 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. < 1388699106 255540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All those countries with "good" ccTLDs must be p. happy they can repurpose them for whatever. < 1388699116 811237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently i'm supposed to cover every part of my house with plastic < 1388699121 929412 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "Wash obsessively" < 1388699125 81406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tonga, the country of URL shorteners (.to) and so on. < 1388699131 765265 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Domainme.png < 1388699141 565878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone link me a non-stupid report on this :/ < 1388699145 234373 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1388699151 362405 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this article is really bad. < 1388699154 773733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tepco.co.jp/nu-news/2013/1233248_5304.html < 1388699166 680553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gizmodo.com/radioactive-mystery-steam-over-fukushima-could-mean-ano-1492280971 < 1388699185 267192 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a 50% off Crusader Kings II Steam coupon thingy for some reason. Just showed up in my steam inventory just now if anyone is interested. I already own the game from some bundle or other. < 1388699213 797785 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[Tepco via The Ecologist via Fark]" i hate the future < 1388699220 517055 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i see "93 Bq/L" in here < 1388699300 139787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TEPCO will probably be stupid on the other end of the scale :V < 1388699301 170067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They sometimes do a "give a X% off coupon for game A to everyone who owns game B"; I got a "random" 20% off Velocity Ultra for owning Stealth Bastard Deluxe. < 1388699303 430377 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have two 20% off "Velocity Ultra", and two 10% off "Toki Tori 2". Not interested in either. Again, if anyone is interested in that or the Crusaders King II one... < 1388699312 564354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"widely apologize for the great inconvenience and worry Regarding that you have, I would like apologize from the bottom of my heart. " < 1388699318 224224 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, just one? < 1388699333 841931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. I guess you might've owned Hotline Miami too? < 1388699343 434184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They gave another 20% off coupon for people owning that.) < 1388699423 973751 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1388699443 571707 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so you are not interested in any of those? < 1388699473 325464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. I can't seem to manage to really play even the games I have. (Though I have been catching up over the holiday season.) < 1388699513 690834 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I can strongly recommend Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons if you haven't played it. My game of the year easily. < 1388699523 716538 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you do need a game pad though < 1388699570 499865 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, would be nice if you could trade those coupons, like those silly trading cards and what not... < 1388699581 462117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can trade them, you just can't market them. < 1388699588 699838 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, yeah that is what I meant < 1388699592 432029 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusing terminology < 1388699621 693017 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does one trade stuff btw? I see no button here for it < 1388699625 148806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Steam forums have quite a lot of threads about people looking to trade their X% off coupons for something they actually want. < 1388699637 972854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a "trade offers" button at top of the inventory. < 1388699645 369894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make offers from there. < 1388699645 612757 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yeah < 1388699651 147489 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing is, I currently don't want to buy anything < 1388699679 991603 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@bb-216-195-185-231.gwi.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388699686 298349 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have way too many unplayed games, plus I have some issues with my wrists (possibly carpal tunnel), meaning I keep gaming to a minimum < 1388699697 185672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I traded one (1) Holiday Coal coal to one (1) Holiday Coal back when they were doing the coal thing, because you got something for having a trade. < 1388699707 705505 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1388699722 67742 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never use the social features of steam really < 1388699734 67781 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-64-42.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388699756 47473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also sold all the snow globe cards from community choice voting, because they'd evaporate soon, and I don't think I would've gotten the full set of 10 anyway. < 1388699781 993180 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been "offline" in the friends menu since day one. Never played a multiplayer game through steam that actually used steam for it. (Unlike, say, Terraria, which afair did it like minecraft, just input the server IP) < 1388699793 342801 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, same < 1388699821 829401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of like seeing the "X is now playing Y" notices from one of my many (5) Steam Friends. For no particular reason. < 1388699827 482797 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-36-8.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388699836 286592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all IRL friends, though. I guess it's some kind of stalking instinct. < 1388699880 830163 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have IRL friends who I play *computer* games with. < 1388699908 182870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I don't play games with these people, as a general rule. I just like to see what they're up to. < 1388699913 97642 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1388699923 567519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With a single exception of playing through the Portal 2 co-op thing with one of them.) < 1388699925 936661 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, my friends list on steam is empty < 1388699940 312904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even use Steam < 1388699967 933902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone on my friend list has more Steam XP than I do, I think. < 1388699992 120512 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't really play much multiplayer at all... Minecraft, Terraria and FlightGear are the only ones I ever play(ed) multiplayer regularly in. A few other ones I tried a few times, but "meh" < 1388700001 729322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steam have implemented an arbitrary number that you need to pay them money to increase? < 1388700001 932266 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :steam xp? < 1388700017 30592 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is steam xp < 1388700032 780863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You don't need to pay money. Though I think some ways to increment the number involve money. < 1388700042 946553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Mostly it's about using the community features, I think. < 1388700047 601064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well you presumably need to play Steam games for most methods of increasing it < 1388700048 412898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's what determines your Steam Level. < 1388700056 463939 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, steam level? < 1388700060 508836 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is that < 1388700073 683862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a number. See, it's like a RPG. You collect some exp, you gain levels. < 1388700086 958874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Community choice voting requires a minimum Steam level, too. < 1388700090 425783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamify gaming < 1388700095 821161 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I completely missed that < 1388700097 198352 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-36-8.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :world aghast as for-profit gaming service implements for-profit games < 1388700103 79325 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does it? Oh well < 1388700106 771625 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems I am level 8 < 1388700113 84716 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't give a shit though < 1388700150 662022 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh there are achievements for steam itself? "Pillar of community, 13/26" < 1388700153 619972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's probably true, admittedly. But I don't think people buy games for the purpose of playing them because of the Steam XP, I guess. < 1388700156 474656 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or what the hell is this < 1388700163 989700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They're for crafting "badges". < 1388700168 317472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: /someone/ probably does < 1388700175 541241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that's the main way of getting XP. < 1388700181 755014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are people who buy xbox games just for easy achievements < 1388700190 301291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The card drops are tied into that, too. < 1388700194 639748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people who make games specifically so that those people will buy them < 1388700199 201814 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-36-8.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :consumers gonna consume < 1388700203 837772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(When you get a full set, you can craft a badge, and that nets some XP.) < 1388700209 986180 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, seems I have some of those. Oh well, don't really care < 1388700252 87124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have 16/26 of the Pillar of Community tasks done. < 1388700257 634250 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate achievements. Usually it is either just "got to point x in story" or it is like "did stupid thing that doesn't make sense in the plot of the game" < 1388700285 695219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the latter sort of achievement makes sense, so long as you view it as an optional goal to aim for when you're aware of what it is < 1388700295 845265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than as something you're meant to get in normal play < 1388700308 818116 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there are exceptions, but I can't think of any. Possibly with the exception of The Stanley Parable. Where the achievements pokes fun at achievements < 1388700344 213182 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1388700348 37026 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1388700354 300442 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388700363 22589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I could do most of these missing tasks, there's things like "set a profile background". < 1388700375 222143 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Use a Steam Emoticon in chat" I'd do that, but I don't know how. < 1388700380 298046 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, would you do it just for a badge? < 1388700393 410634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolang-book.route477.net/ https://github.com/yhara/esolang-book-website < 1388700428 491790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know. I guess I might? I do have a mild case of "can't help myself" when it comes to achievement-y things. < 1388700464 94946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think it might make more sense to make those badges tie to e.g. completing all achievements in the game; then they'd at least have something to do with the game in question. < 1388700465 323251 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-36-8.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what < 1388700499 608840 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think doing a silly thing like riding a horse up a near vertical cliff in skyrim is a reward in and of itself, due to the induced laughing from the glitching horse (also that specific one has no achivement afaik, it was just an example of a silly thing) < 1388700504 488064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: many games are near-impossible to get all the achievements in < 1388700513 74071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I thought the existence of a physical esolangs book might interest. < 1388700519 112691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1388700537 483803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it just one of those books that's autogenerated from Wikipedia in the hope that someone buys it? < 1388700544 339549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did someone actually write it? < 1388700548 590702 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I guess I could see the point of things like "ghosted the entire Deux Ex" or some achievement like that, awarded at the end of the game < 1388700557 887579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, well, that's why they could make some kind of a reward for it. Currently Steam just says something like "good job", and that's it. < 1388700565 514333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. translation services exist that can answer such questions equally well but more efficiently than I can < 1388700572 612520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say "Google Translate" but I suspect you have a moral objection to using it.. < 1388700583 128012 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is genuine bragging rights to some degree. Most achivements are not. < 1388700605 284584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new edition is coming out on the 7th, seemingly < 1388700609 807534 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-63-234.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388700610 6328 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-63-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :watching #esoteric complain about a formalization of doing weird things in games is amusing < 1388700613 335484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I asked the question before I followed the link < 1388700615 540928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh! "Steam Emoticons" are not the regular emoticons you can use. < 1388700634 574370 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh? < 1388700635 596650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Emoticons are dropped when crafting trading cards and are tradable." < 1388700641 800073 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking hell < 1388700642 999100 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-36-8.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1388700648 13130 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-63-234.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1388700648 863352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you have to get an emoticon drop before you can use it in a conversation. < 1388700650 820964 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for the language... but... < 1388700658 920442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's a one-time-use or if you "unlock" it for all time. < 1388700667 153015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote "Emoticons are dropped when crafting trading cards and are tradable." < 1388700670 331115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is kind of hilarious. < 1388700671 71837 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1154) "Emoticons are dropped when crafting trading cards and are tradable." < 1388700686 782615 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, this is like a bad TCG < 1388700698 565171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of a TCG where the cards are craftable < 1388700701 645646 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have any gameplay *except* from getting the card < 1388700704 492725 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Hearthstone < 1388700705 662754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Emoticons are little symbols or pictures given to a user once they have crafted a badge. Emoticons are used in Steam Chat, either by typing the shortcut to that emoticon (which is surrounded by colons - for example, :crate: for the Team Fortress 2 crate emoticon), or by selecting the image from the selection box of emoticons. < 1388700710 678730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few basic emoticons are included in Steam that everyone can access, but most are only available if you own the emoticon (which is an item stored in your Steam inventory.) Anyone can see an emoticon that you've used in a message to them even if they don't own the emoticon themselves. < 1388700715 683249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emoticons come in 3 rarities: common, uncommon and rare. You can receive an emoticon of any rarity when you craft a badge, but the higher the level of badge that you craft, the greater the chances that you'll receive an uncommon or rare badge." < 1388700718 501573 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you can craft by destroying enough other cards to get dust or something like that < 1388700719 692771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's even three levels of rarities. < 1388700728 815843 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wouldn't work in a non-digital TCG of course < 1388700759 912321 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, very much TCG mechanics < 1388700783 438638 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :Quit: restarting < 1388700803 197811 :AwfulProgrammer!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rmmyjbvlgkskugux QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388700804 659900 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1388700840 109047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have the "make a trade" task marked as done, I must've done that coal-for-coal thing before the badges were a thing. < 1388700857 767058 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388700883 992488 :conehead_!uid16140@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bfmhatldhsnfmuru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388700895 744383 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vwmpyawduhezrfam QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388700897 928907 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, seems I got some cards from playing garry's mod at some point. < 1388700898 782618 :AwfulProgrammer_!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yobjcklnhecayner JOIN :#esoteric < 1388700899 843189 :_46bit!sid10106@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-milybjmgwqzrphmn JOIN :#esoteric < 1388700908 742922 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that separate from crafting? < 1388700921 388640 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :How *do* you craft on steam < 1388700923 660396 :_46bit!sid10106@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-milybjmgwqzrphmn NICK :Guest7487 < 1388700932 694416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You get a couple (three, four?) for pretty much any card-enabled game just by playing it. < 1388700954 774782 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also it says I have the pillar of community thing but it also says it isn't completed on another page < 1388700957 15698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, rather, you're eligible for that many initially, and they drop pretty quickly; if you spend a couple of hours in-game, you'll probably get all those. < 1388700957 889435 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how that works < 1388700965 528437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's different levels of Pillar of Community. < 1388701001 508778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :X out of 26 for level 1 (I've got that too); 22 of 26 for level 2; presumably 26/26 for level 3 or something. < 1388701005 454696 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nah it says "Complete 14 of 26 Steam Community tasks to earn the Level 1 badge." and I have 13 < 1388701010 69733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1388701019 935456 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, maybe they added more stuff in later? < 1388701037 636803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure you have it? Incomplete ones are also listed on the "badges" page. < 1388701038 278722 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I had enough earlier < 1388701051 864523 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to Badges and clicked "completed" < 1388701052 62838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could also be the case. < 1388701056 507420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. < 1388701061 689198 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely that would only list completed ones < 1388701064 89873 :iamcal!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cmwfqsmhyzgpwtbz QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388701081 227650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they might've been adding more tasks. < 1388701085 714449 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it doesn't say when I unlocked it, or what level it is at < 1388701098 481924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1388701115 868597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "Unlocked: 14 Nov, 2013 @ 12:25am" for my level 1 in the "completed" list. < 1388701132 796180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it doesn't explicitly say "level 1" anywhere, just that I need to do 22/26 for level 2. < 1388701138 241211 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I would have gotten it way earlier than this year if I unlocked it < 1388701145 821412 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't done much on steam the last year or so < 1388701198 917231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I don't really know how you get more cards than the ones you're initially eligible for. AIUI, you'll get "booster packs" (another TCG term there) randomly, as soon as you keep logging in to Steam, but I don't think I've ever gotten one. < 1388701227 736588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in general to actually craft badges you're supposed to trade cards you don't want, or something. < 1388701237 594159 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1388701240 874214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps (more likely) buy them on the market, because Valve gets a cut. < 1388701241 806949 :iamcal!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rkedwizxnyhtqwdp JOIN :#esoteric < 1388701263 876902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all selling for something like 0.04-0.10€/card. < 1388701285 774568 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is pretty terrible. Yet people seem to want to do it, since I sold the stuff I got when voting on the sale this time around, and most got sold within half an hour < 1388701292 566806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same here. < 1388701302 154257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that this business model is even viable hurts my head < 1388701310 727993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of random booster packs generated depends on the number of badges crafted, and I guess I don't really pay "popular" games. < 1388701335 654197 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I doubt it would stand on it's own. They sell the games too. That is probably a much larger income source than people trading cards. < 1388701338 167208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think they've released any statistics, but I suppose it's all just extra icing on top of their "actual business" of selling games. < 1388701386 160091 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pogozqnqbtwnqlci QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388701388 492930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Summing up all the sales data resulted in stunning numbers that I want to share with you: In the past year (since dec'12) there was a trade volume of ~$38.9 million shared on ~58.0 million transactions. Valve gets 15% of each market sale, so nearly $6 million for doing nothing but letting steam users sell millions of items." < 1388701390 309177 :HaliteTablet!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bzajfyfyjqtahkbn QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388701408 670214 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy crap, there are 19 DLC for Saints Row 4 already. That game isn't all that old < 1388701409 689954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess that's a reasonably large number. < 1388701410 48775 :typeclassy!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fqtzihsmfhiqshdv QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388701430 431221 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totalling, *when on 60% sale* 31.02 EUR < 1388701442 957706 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is insane < 1388701455 320803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hey, that's nothing compared to TS2014 DLC or something. < 1388701468 378125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TrainSimulator I *expect* that sort of thing from < 1388701483 924157 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not from Saints Row < 1388701490 402624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2379.53 EUR for all TS2014 DLC. < 1388701498 874464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wonder how many people have bought all of it.) < 1388701502 282443 :typeclassy_!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tzznfqtnjptxilqp JOIN :#esoteric < 1388701505 904552 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I much preferred the model of base game followed half a year or more down the line with a big expansion pack < 1388701507 496945 :HaliteTablet!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-edfuynmxhxlztsnd JOIN :#esoteric < 1388701515 445419 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, very few I hope < 1388701526 807816 :iamcal!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rkedwizxnyhtqwdp QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388701533 443957 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zaksxnbylkcgbynd JOIN :#esoteric < 1388701555 903420 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I would guess that most people just get the couple of trains they are really interested in and so on < 1388701580 317844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's a "Not Recommended | 1,423.0 hrs on record" review on the TS2014 store page; most comments are to the tune of "didn't like but played over a thousand hours???". (It's from someone who dislikes the new upgrade; Steam counts playtime of older versions in there.) < 1388701600 120482 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1388701629 816892 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well normally I would say that person is well qualified to give an opinion < 1388701639 702595 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike the guy who played 5 minutes < 1388701645 132308 :iamcal!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dzjxnxprqwfbssvt JOIN :#esoteric < 1388701662 463088 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably over-qualified even < 1388701740 759887 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :This game (got from some recent indie bundle) has a terrible name in my steam game list: "AaaaaAAaaaAAAaaAAAAaAAAAA!!! for the Awesome" < 1388701742 62662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess two kiloeuros isn't very much money to put in a hobby in the end, anyway; people sure waste a lot more than that. < 1388701774 107817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got Aaaa[...] too; it was in the most recent "PC and Android" bundle I bought mostly for Gemini Rue, Little Inferno and maybe Bard's Tale. < 1388701790 362382 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well yeah, if you get into photography you can easily top that < 1388701827 520379 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42972.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388701836 668430 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I got Bard's Tale from some earlier bundle iirc. Kind of funny I guess, but that humor doesn't really click with me. Too childish a lot of the time < 1388701859 773536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Ruby%E3%81%A7%E4%BD%9C%E3%82%8B%E5%A5%87%E5%A6%99%E3%81%AA%E3%83%97%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B0%E3%83%A9%E3%83%9F%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0%E8%A8%80%E8%AA%9E < 1388701865 220111 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also pretty ugly < 1388701874 361424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on Chrome, did you really have to escape that whole thing? :/ < 1388701878 937615 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice! < 1388701894 22539 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, heh my font fails at that on the page. Works in the title bar though < 1388701911 445872 :AwfulProgrammer_!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yobjcklnhecayner QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388701914 500923 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was supposed to fall back to another font if it failed to find the glyph?? < 1388701933 91630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, it didn't really impress very much so far. < 1388701935 110470 :CADD!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wuzkcyyvslnvcjvc QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388701947 821433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book is only $27 if you preorder it, by the way! < 1388701957 699704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...plus shipping from Japan < 1388701966 598182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also buy a PDF if you are boring < 1388701978 659566 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not free shipping? < 1388701999 933854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Japan? I kind of doubt it. < 1388702002 975114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I haven't tried. < 1388702010 148049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ordered something from japan once < 1388702014 302195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in japanese < 1388702024 852577 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, were you expecting that? < 1388702029 322643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1388702033 834346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i still couldn't read it < 1388702036 183092 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well < 1388702048 955528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Incidentally, apparently a 10% of all Steam market trading card sales goes to the game developer, and only 5% to Valve (forming the 15% cut that doesn't go to the seller). < 1388702054 868411 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bexiwpubxgkiknhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1388702060 764714 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, IIRC google translate has some sort of OCR mode in the android app for it < 1388702064 789767 :AwfulProgrammer_!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ohovwztrzbjwmdyn JOIN :#esoteric < 1388702065 770510 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never tried it < 1388702069 73946 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably terrible < 1388702094 809960 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, except for the sale cards, which go all to steam I expect? < 1388702098 961912 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Translate's performance on Japanese itself isn't that great to begin with... < 1388702124 585961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, I guess Valve counts as the "developer" of the holiday sale. < 1388702150 847694 :CADD!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wxzcmivnthyxuevk JOIN :#esoteric < 1388702167 166477 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotone, Norwegian -> Swedish (which should be fairly easily you think, since the languages are quite closely related) was pretty bad. It kept inserting negations in random sentences, changing the meaning completely of the text. < 1388702168 705724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But at least the developers get something out of it too. (Though maybe that's just an incentive to put trading card support in their game. Though I guess Valve might give them other incentives too.) < 1388702187 692042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It probably goes Norwegian -> English -> Swedish for that. < 1388702197 149191 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly < 1388702231 894440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinese-to-English tends to be quite bad too. < 1388702247 773543 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the support consists of creating some cards and dropping them when a play time counter reached a certain value? < 1388702249 703355 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't it? < 1388702250 821440 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything -> Latin is awful < 1388702258 860155 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, a lot of machine translation systems use English as an intermediate language. < 1388702289 203823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Possibly only the former; the latter might well be a built-in feature of the Steam overlay. < 1388702306 267131 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, But I have the overlay turned off, and I still got some cards < 1388702326 32769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the Steam client, then. It knows when you're in-game, anyway. < 1388702351 556565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The card images probably come from the game developers, at least. < 1388702354 761969 :AwfulProgrammer_!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ohovwztrzbjwmdyn QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388702356 570469 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm that would be interesting for skyrim. I usually launch that with the script extended thingy instead, SKSE < 1388702363 776955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't think steam is 100% aware of that < 1388702380 382220 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really do not like the overlay. I do not want to see achivements pop up in the corner and breaking my immersion in games where immersion is a key factor < 1388702382 546876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the Steam overlay even when launching via NMM + SKSE. < 1388702395 451950 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1388702400 562798 :HaliteTablet!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-edfuynmxhxlztsnd QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388702404 751551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't really know how it all works.) < 1388702418 523729 :Guest7487!sid10106@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-milybjmgwqzrphmn QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388702420 972790 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I guess steam *does* need to be running for it to work so yeah < 1388702432 397563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of that DRM and all. < 1388702435 405596 :AwfulProgrammer_!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gahejhxuzrxznmbb JOIN :#esoteric < 1388702451 125793 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I preferred the oblivion way: Have the CD mounted. < 1388702468 150701 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course for convenience you just use an image file and mount it as a CD < 1388702483 171753 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that is easily bypassed < 1388702505 508505 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if I should sell my Skyrim trading cards, it's not like I'll ever be completing any of these sets. < 1388702548 880146 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I try to buy games on gog.com instead. Much better customer service, DRM free, and usually include at least some extras such as extra printed materials or sound track as well < 1388702570 278438 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I should probably sell all my trading cards. All 5. < 1388702572 794898 :_46bit_!sid10106@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vfxlobptoqkupjyq JOIN :#esoteric < 1388702583 123638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them sell for really little. < 1388702589 525867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Incidentally, do you happen to know if you can use Steam Wallet money to deduct from the price of a regular Steam purchase?) < 1388702599 849554 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.05 EUR for one of the garry's mod ones < 1388702609 449555 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah it happens automatically < 1388702622 276324 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for me < 1388702637 87995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. Though I guess it might take quite a while before I buy something again in Steam. < 1388702671 142985 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, 0.04 EUR for one of the cards from the summer holiday sale. Seems those are still valid though unlike the cards for this sale, which will soon be invalid. Hm < 1388702686 88835 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bexiwpubxgkiknhe QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388702695 293922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have 19 trading cards (4x Deponia, 4x McPixel, 4x Scribblenauts, 3x Super Meat Boy, 4x Skyrim). < 1388702700 306690 :AwfulProgrammer_!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gahejhxuzrxznmbb QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388702714 747238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming an average of 0.05 EUR, that'd mean... almost a whole euro! < 1388702719 934019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such fortune. < 1388702731 859833 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 5 from playing games, and 7 from the summer sale < 1388702744 444284 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the game ones I have are worth a bit more < 1388702760 666375 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The portal 2 one 0.1 EUR < 1388702774 49582 :AwfulProgrammer_!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uagzvuhbnffgzgeq JOIN :#esoteric < 1388702775 404141 :typeclassy_!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tzznfqtnjptxilqp QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388702803 794024 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, The "missing textures" one from GM looks pretty nice though. Pink and black chess board pattern < 1388702819 354088 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sticks out like a sore thumb in the steam inventory < 1388702858 884998 :_46bit_!sid10106@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vfxlobptoqkupjyq QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388702887 627702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Deponia cards sell for 0.10 EUR, McPixel for 0.03-0.05 EUR, Scribblenauts for 0.05-0.06 EUR, Super Meat Boy for... ooh, 0.13 EUR (!), and Skyrim for 0.11-0.12 EUR or so. < 1388702901 997368 :typeclassy_!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-arrejrazcfoejarl JOIN :#esoteric < 1388702933 222795 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you have to trade something in both directions for a trade? < 1388702934 596882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I might get up to 1.5 EUR from selling all of them. Even better. I'll be swimming in virtual money soon. < 1388702939 417552 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want to get rid of the coupons < 1388702947 728820 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to give them away really < 1388702953 676462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can do a unidirectional trade, but not sure. < 1388702967 599856 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good < 1388702973 245971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I try to use Google Translate to find out what the Japanese cat cafés are saying, it's always nonsense < 1388702975 490531 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zaksxnbylkcgbynd QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388702982 737269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they use too many cat puns though < 1388703018 28728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Though I don't know, because giftability is a separately tracked thing, and a unidirectional trade is pretty close to a gift. (Without the gift-y trappings, though.) < 1388703029 983653 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what trappings? < 1388703034 430332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are they meowing < 1388703039 500994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or nyaning or something < 1388703042 461239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gif-ability < 1388703045 86387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that is not japanese but cat < 1388703047 450999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're nya-ing at least < 1388703048 405734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think you can send it as a fancy email message or something? < 1388703053 907942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know, I've never gotten a Steam gift. < 1388703063 350811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works < 1388703067 454365 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1388703092 951362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: When I try to use GT to find out what my (Finnish) friend is saying (in Chinese, at his Weibo microblog), it's quite often nonsense too. < 1388703111 93165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you considered being a cat when you grow up < 1388703111 855253 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh, the price for the summer sale trading cards all went up marginally around the start of the current sale. < 1388703115 287866 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why < 1388703118 127109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1388703122 271770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo do it < 1388703129 534445 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i tried the Necomimi mind-reading motorized cat ears < 1388703130 126770 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :A couple of cents mostly < 1388703239 636986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, my Deponia card sold immediately. < 1388703252 581662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all very bizarre. < 1388703256 22561 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iohrvcytpvlwlzvm JOIN :#esoteric < 1388703263 925195 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wow that was quick. I put up those 5 game cards for sale like 4 minutes ago. They are all sold already < 1388703272 414703 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1388703279 8487 :typeclassy_!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-arrejrazcfoejarl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388703282 893517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess people are buying them? < 1388703288 620625 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so < 1388703316 725906 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should put them up for a bit more than the market value next time and see if I get lucky with it being the cheapest at the point of sale by chance < 1388703341 157794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what kind of benefits you get from a high Steam Level. < 1388703360 811819 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you said voting on community thingy before? < 1388703369 782121 :typeclassy_!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vyoffibecymseqeb JOIN :#esoteric < 1388703375 157847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that, but there's probably something else too. < 1388703383 710187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you can "pimp" your profile more, the higher your level is. < 1388703393 367324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: weren't you just mocking the idea of doing this kinda thing before < 1388703406 310257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Showcase (more) badges, make a custom info box, that kind of stuff. < 1388703452 483524 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm mocking the idea of buying this stuff. But if I get cards for just playing games I want to play, of course I'm going to sell them, since I do not say no to money < 1388703461 122905 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, legal money that is < 1388703468 846445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What are the direct benefits of my Steam Level? You get more options to customize your profile, and the maximum number of friends you can have on your friends list increases." < 1388703475 204442 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xcquqnfiloqxuxho JOIN :#esoteric < 1388703480 50751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you would do anything that gives you money just because it's legal < 1388703481 374994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Once you reach Steam Level 10 you can pick and customize a showcase from the profile edit page. Each 10 Steam Levels earns you an extra showcase, i.e. two showcases at Level 20, three showcases at Level 30, etc." < 1388703489 173990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you would then you're dangerous < 1388703496 123571 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well no, but this require no effort at all. < 1388703503 970477 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And doesn't hurt anyone < 1388703516 58208 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except possibly those stupid enough to spend money on this stuff < 1388703524 514436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguable, it hurts people sucked into buying these things for various psychological reasons < 1388703568 908264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you ascribe addiction to gambling type things to stupidity then you have a rather shallow understanding :/ < 1388703606 705494 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure these people are addicted to gambling, since they can clearly see which card and what it costs. < 1388703607 769285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, turns out you can't do the "set profile background" task of the Pillar of Community by just, you know, uploading a background image. No, you have to get a background image drop from crafting a badge. Then you can set it as your background profile, or trade/sell it away. < 1388703614 892735 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you gather another complete set of trading cards for the same game you can upgrade that game badge. You can craft a set for the same game at most five times. Each time you upgrade the game badge you'll get an extra 100XP, as well as upgrading the image and title of the badge." <-- jesus crist < 1388703646 593141 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I guess they want to avoid penises and such < 1388703648 7393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're also likelier to get rare drops from higher-level badges. < 1388703650 27907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "gambling type things" < 1388703650 786414 :typeclassy_!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vyoffibecymseqeb QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388703652 982472 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i going to have to manually set prices for every card i own < 1388703653 825594 :Guest7487!sid10106@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kdieebblmwrdwpab JOIN :#esoteric < 1388703654 13795 :Guest7487!sid10106@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kdieebblmwrdwpab NICK :_46bit < 1388703660 902407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think a lot of these trading type systems aren't designed to exploit people then ... < 1388703678 37163 :AwfulProgrammer_!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uagzvuhbnffgzgeq QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388703682 496361 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes you need to sell them one by one from what I can tell < 1388703683 996768 :_46bit!sid10106@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kdieebblmwrdwpab NICK :Guest65919 < 1388703690 593089 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you own a lot that would be annoying yes < 1388703697 73651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh yes they are < 1388703704 423617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You can probably already get penises in via screenshot upload feature and versatile-enough games, but I guess there's that. < 1388703725 143817 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well as long as garry's mod exists yes < 1388703732 843359 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388703747 321121 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or any moddable game for that matter < 1388703758 864201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and you see nothing unethical about exploitation? < 1388703760 640290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any source engine game with sprays < 1388703765 176929 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :w0t. < 1388703768 854762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you decided they're stupider than you...? < 1388703789 577068 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, steam doing it. Me just clearing out my inventory of 5 cards for a total of 0.26 EUR, not so much. < 1388703803 440708 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, except he's not exploiting anyone; steam are, he's just mildly complicit (and you're already complicit by using steam at all) < 1388703814 551140 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, good summary yes < 1388703825 19200 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xcquqnfiloqxuxho QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388703878 639533 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes in a sense I guess I'm allowing this to happen to a very slightly larger degree by selling my selling my cards. On the other hand, the price will be lowered by people flooding the market, meaning these addicted people will have to spend less money < 1388703891 213964 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/selling my// < 1388703893 777405 :AwfulProgrammer_!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ziyzowojbmgofdhq JOIN :#esoteric < 1388703906 765627 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is that second point not valid? < 1388703924 486850 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :If very few people sold cards the price would rise instead. < 1388703947 160694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sure, there are degrees of complicitness though. anyway, I wasn't actually trying to say what he did was immoral < 1388703952 385838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that the justification "I don't say no to money" is nonsense < 1388703982 527055 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I realized right after I said that, that it was badly worded < 1388704025 181407 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they do *foiled* trading cards? For digital only cards? Really? < 1388704064 721677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1388704075 569363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they have a shinier graphic? < 1388704078 929000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen one ever. < 1388704085 806414 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why couldn't steam let you play a game with the trading cards, like MTG or Hearthstone does. Instead of just trading the cards... < 1388704092 564267 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nor me < 1388704100 673421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I hadn't realized the maximum number of friends is based on Steam Level.) < 1388704137 659414 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, are you anywhere near the limit though? < 1388704186 854407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not just maximum number of steam friends < 1388704194 567319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the maximum number of actual friends you can have < 1388704199 537341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know, I'm not sure where the limit is listed. < 1388704199 987542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this steam business is important < 1388704206 802312 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH < 1388704208 954704 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah* < 1388704211 489503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I doubt it's "5", though. < 1388704228 521332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, "Friends: 5 / 330". < 1388704238 153542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems I'm not quite in danger of running out of slots, then. < 1388704262 805358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5 / 330 < 1388704264 8545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.5151515151515152e-2 < 1388704301 388514 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm I have a badge called "Power Player". Seems it is based on how many games I own since it says "248 games owned" in the description. It also has the icon of the text "100+". I think I bought around 15-20 games directly on steam though. The rest is all indie bundles. < 1388704324 825265 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :has as the icon* < 1388704338 425991 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a hell of a lot of games... < 1388704350 329205 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them are probably bad too < 1388704367 552996 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I'm at least no interested in most of them < 1388704373 379266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the "Collection Agent" (same, but 50+) badge. < 1388704379 120589 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1388704401 585102 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, interestingly I get 497 XP from that badge. What a weird number < 1388704424 712328 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 497 / 248 < 1388704425 891867 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.004032258064516 < 1388704429 842348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :games*2+1? Kind of curious. < 1388704431 920444 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, didn't think so < 1388704433 624073 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes < 1388704435 112390 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1388704453 114922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, a friend of mine has a Snow Globe 2013 *foil* badge. < 1388704465 359894 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is the difference? < 1388704483 464043 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there is quite a lot of linux games on steam these days < 1388704483 652056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The icon is all silvery. < 1388704491 184728 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not gold? Oh well < 1388704533 555459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Incidentally, you only need two more games for the Game Mechanic (250+) badge. < 1388704556 7233 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, I guess the next indie bundle which I want like 1-2 games from will provide that < 1388704575 590870 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of indie bundle, wasn't there a new humble weekly one now? < 1388704603 102705 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah point and clicks. And I own all but one < 1388704605 208958 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388704618 400436 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't care about Shelter < 1388704627 462582 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skipping that one < 1388704631 811389 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388704651 278379 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I don't own Lume either. Hm *checks out the video* < 1388704719 259751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite liked Botanicula and Machinarium. < 1388704731 684042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've already got both of those. < 1388704732 834252 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :machinarium is great < 1388704809 44442 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, if you liked machinarium, give Botanicula a try. Same developer. Same feeling to it. < 1388704825 732528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's all bio and not robo. < 1388704843 124447 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes < 1388704907 915711 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also don't try to play Machinarium on a Nexus 10 tablet. It really isn't made for such a high DPI screen and it uses pixel based graphics. < 1388704914 787222 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite unplayable < 1388704932 731147 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost as bad as Avadon on the Nexus 10. < 1388704953 975044 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nhggovjrdwrimcah JOIN :#esoteric < 1388704954 384377 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does botanicula run on android? < 1388704958 458142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems not < 1388704969 587383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the platform list on humble bundle < 1388704974 850380 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1388704988 226923 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :As much as I like Spiderweb Software and as much as I love all the games they (well he, one guy iirc) made; the android port is unplayable < 1388704991 50943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :win / mac / linux / steam. nope. < 1388704995 362581 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a 300 dpi monitor < 1388705004 226174 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/monitor/screen/ ? < 1388705013 557972 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :display. < 1388705020 234035 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can't say monitor about a tablet < 1388705028 882308 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :display works yes < 1388705038 993927 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also lume doesn't look that interesting < 1388705077 394374 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well machinarium is the only game on that list that I've already played ... < 1388705101 940603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :machinarium was good < 1388705117 261913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Machinarium and Botanicula both don't have Linux support in their Steam editions, which is a bit of a shame. < 1388705124 745385 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, Botanicula is well worth $6 alone. Samorost and Windowsill aren't really worth much IMO. Lume and Shelter I never played < 1388705169 542261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like for Botanicula to have some sort of a "have not yet collected all creature cards" indicator before progressing through points of no return. < 1388705178 984412 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I prefer to not use steam most of the time. I do redeem my bundled games on steam though as an insurance should humble bundle go under. < 1388705180 390657 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-234.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm i'll probably buy that later < 1388705216 816294 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I would much prefer redeeming on gog or even desura though. You used to get desura codes in the early bundles, but it has been a while since I have seen that < 1388705245 270546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps Valve made them an offer they couldn't refuse. < 1388705248 311438 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the cards didn't have any functional use though did they? Looked nice yes, but no function iirc? < 1388705273 39342 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, desura also started their own bundle, indieroyale or something like that iirc < 1388705292 830706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one to three "presents" you get at the end that depends on the number of cards you got. < 1388705294 351493 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I spent $10, too lazy to enter a custom amount ;) < 1388705305 974465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wandered around quite a lot, but still missed several. < 1388705306 162436 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generally pretty crappy games on indieroyale the times I checked iirc < 1388705319 294544 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1388705339 94834 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, heh, well botanicula is worth that alone I would say < 1388705357 207065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course the presents don't really have a "function" either, I believe; at least the one (or two? can't remember) I got was just nice little animation. < 1388705367 998368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, looking at nice things is pretty much what the whole game is all about. < 1388705384 470947 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferrably things that go "whee". < 1388705421 734122 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1388705435 997284 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember how many cards I got < 1388705482 111793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started a new playthrough where I tried to click on absolutely everything, and got it to the ground, but I'm a bit afraid I missed something small this time around too. < 1388705512 631183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should just look up the number of cards you're supposed to have at the end of each "chapter" from the web. < 1388705519 223154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm sure someone's counted.) < 1388705527 868999 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think I got a fair amount of them, since I do tend to click on everything in that type of game < 1388705583 127600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I do too, but I still managed to miss some, somehow. < 1388705619 568175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bit where you drop waters and set the "cups" to determine where it goes, did you do all the possible sprouty things? < 1388705626 363593 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember if I got all < 1388705664 774756 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388705665 584381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You only need to make the middle bit sprout, but there's a special scene and an associated creature card if you do all.) < 1388705667 643202 :impomatic!~digital_w@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is deeply intertwingled... < 1388705681 954785 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I played it around launch, haven't played it since. Don't even remember that part < 1388705716 32601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, I probably wouldn't remember either, except for that quasi-recent replay. < 1388705721 985690 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1388705835 313857 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw, that "Jack Lumber" game in the some recent humble bundle. Has some quite funny humor, better than Bard's Tale humor at least. Not a fan of the game play though < 1388705860 438435 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty absurd game, with a really absurd back story < 1388705871 866065 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388705876 123775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot to play zzo38's game :( < 1388705879 620051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i will remember later < 1388705932 80243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which game < 1388705938 136553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Professional Octopus of the World? < 1388705949 432501 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Or do it now. Or you could do it later. If you want to. But you don't have to, if you don't want to. < 1388705980 376821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I seem to have it. < 1388705984 715681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean Attribute Zone? < 1388705998 431824 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah worth playing for a bit on the tablet I guess. < 1388706000 166920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently it has only two levels, so it isn't good enough yet, but there are many other games in the same package. < 1388706015 54691 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, definitely a mobile game level of game play in that < 1388706190 139656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, somewhat amusing: I recently(ish) Steam-activated all my bundle games, then installed Thomas Was Alone on Linux via Steam. I had been playing the directly-downloaded Linux version before, so it managed to dug up my existing (near-the-ending) save from somewhere (presumably $HOME), but then also "achievified" all the achievements (something like 30) I had unknowingly gotten so far, ... < 1388706196 148559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... all at the same time. < 1388706198 653251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite the flood of pop-ups. < 1388706240 266495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's one of those games where you get a lot of Steam achievements simply by playing it normally.) < 1388706267 809479 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, haha < 1388706273 972482 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes I know < 1388706282 972506 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :A brilliant game < 1388706316 539499 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :After Super Meat Boy, the controls felt decidedly clunky, though. < 1388706365 619101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Might have been partially a gamepad/keyboard difference too.) < 1388706419 579199 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not generally a fan of platformers, but the story in Thomas was alone is brilliant < 1388706983 621642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slightly more on-topically, they could put more esolangs in games. (Certain to have mass-market appeal, I'm sure.) SpaceChem is the only thing I can think of offhand that kind of is one. < 1388707011 114155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spacechem meets spaceteam < 1388707042 920942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is this some kind of #spascedrugz reference? < 1388707053 490626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(can't spell) < 1388707059 767109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not? < 1388707077 920670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we did use "space drugs" as a term for experimental psychedelics < 1388707098 711249 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, make up a chess variant involving INTERCAL somehow < 1388707129 728342 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the actual fuck < 1388707202 42559 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I seem to remember that open source game where you guide a black ball around a maze having a level based on brainfuck < 1388707258 234132 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't remember the name of the game < 1388707258 849759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robozzle is also kind of like an esolang, but it's not exactly a "mainstream" game. < 1388707260 314233 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :e-something < 1388707301 490917 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :robozzle <3 < 1388707308 67212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which actual fuck myname? < 1388707313 59738 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i especially like that there is an android port < 1388707330 724067 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'm just not used to zzo yet < 1388707349 206464 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzoh < 1388707374 224208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Enigma < 1388707379 34194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://enigma-game.org < 1388707381 60378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up a similar game to Robozzle too but there isn't enough levels yet < 1388707397 30075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've developed levels for it, that are actually in the official released versions (not just modding) < 1388707402 926638 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: define "similar" < 1388707404 29573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the most infamous one is a backwards Sokoban < 1388707414 397830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you're given an empty room where you can build walls and place boxes < 1388707419 733981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the level solves it and then tells you it was too easy < 1388707430 859929 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-234.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388707434 117285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or alternatively, if it's impossible, makes you go solve it yourself (you can't) < 1388707435 720170 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah yes < 1388707465 649032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an Android port of SpaceChem too, sadly not automatically available if you have the computer version. (Didn't really do the "post-game" content, might on the tablet.) < 1388707493 377940 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't much good at SpaceChem < 1388707530 658483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was barely good enough to get through it. < 1388707549 204459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: You have set of commands available (which can differ per level), and rows of programming you can fill in, and have to catch all of the diamonds before the program stops. There can be diamonds in places where there is no floor; you can step there safely but then cannot step there a second time unless the hole is filled in. If there is a "$" then you must catch that one last, otherwise you lose. < 1388707555 71335 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found it pretty boring, so I didn't play more than maybe two worlds of it < 1388707567 238991 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :At that point at least it wasn't really hard. < 1388707574 918422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It quite resembles an arbitrarily constrained Befunge, though. < 1388707579 631085 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found it monotonous < 1388707597 195625 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i stumbled upon a game based on an esolang recently < 1388707602 654097 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes, and I suspect it isn't TC? < 1388707608 870595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Does this description explain it? < 1388707615 730647 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: kind of < 1388707636 130133 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sounds like a slightly modified robozzle < 1388707652 341219 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be more interesting commands available! < 1388707659 330127 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming games in general are a bit awkward < 1388707667 713531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yes, although the engine is entirely rewritten, in QBASIC. < 1388707673 656874 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: tbh, i don't like most of them < 1388707679 340605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And more commands can be added if you have an idea what to add! < 1388707681 106527 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really like the idea < 1388707681 778118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm pretty sure it has finite state, yes. < 1388707683 584370 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... < 1388707691 141833 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right < 1388707716 216975 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you have those production line things though, you could extend them to be infinite queus < 1388707720 929280 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*queueus < 1388707725 479523 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*queues? < 1388707733 79629 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why qbasic? i used that when i was like 12 years old < 1388707737 547515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quuus. < 1388707753 978466 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qs < 1388707756 332316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should figure out how to wrap up my "x86 is turing complete with no registers" post < 1388707777 15879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's true. They have a finite maximum capacity as implemented, though. < 1388707783 113147 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, huh? It is? < 1388707785 636648 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1388707792 288907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well wait and read the article < 1388707792 915350 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love something like an ncurses game engine for android < 1388707794 24052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I write in a computer that is the only compiler, the QBASIC compiler. Also, QBASIC is not bad for writing these kind of computer games actually. < 1388707800 63453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has finite storage though, but so does x86 itself, or C < 1388707804 140512 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, With infinite ram I assume, but there is not an infinite address space < 1388707825 684299 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, then it really isn't TC. And nor is C indeed < 1388707829 877239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1388707839 980613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :justifying this is the last part of the article I need to write < 1388707857 467359 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Justifying a false claim? < 1388707872 766744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Just call it something else, perhaps. < 1388707874 353485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that comonads are just cofree comonad comonad comonad coalgebras < 1388707876 155760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because something is false doesn't make it unjustifiable < 1388707881 688351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :justifying that a brainfuck implementation with a fixed sized tape meets the informal definition of "turing complete" that programmers use < 1388707888 812130 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Anyway, I would say that proving it is a bounded storage machine without registers is pretty cool too < 1388707895 383192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can come up with plenty of plausible reasons why something was likely to happen, even if it didn't < 1388707899 50726 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388707911 326198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean e.g. there's a famous paper titled "mov is Turing-complete" about x86 with the mov instruction, and this would seem to have the same issue < 1388707916 376110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with only the mov instruction, i mean :) < 1388707929 173792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a jump!! < 1388707933 177312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right < 1388707938 100308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have one unconditional jump < 1388707941 698545 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov and jmp heh < 1388707945 76907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just cycle round the entirety of memory? < 1388707949 10767 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov, really? < 1388707951 43061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, if you keep going long enough < 1388707959 226349 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmov yes, but mov? Wow < 1388707963 974187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll end up activating the A20 line trying to decode the next address < 1388707967 156518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, read the paper < 1388707968 423382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess you could activate it with mov too < 1388707968 843686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, x86 mov is quite versatile < 1388707972 692574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could reboot the system < 1388707975 946548 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, only in real mode surely? < 1388707984 898962 :AwfulProgrammer_!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ziyzowojbmgofdhq QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388707990 730238 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, shouldn't happen in protected or long mode < 1388707992 449273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the next question is, is lea Turing complete? < 1388707993 175629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't like how the mov+jmp one "halts" with an invalid memory access. < 1388707997 272751 :iamcal!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dzjxnxprqwfbssvt QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388708004 744253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I learned from 8086 manuals < 1388708013 259549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lea can't access memory can it? < 1388708016 919233 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't there one that uses page-fault errors? < 1388708018 177684 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, kiiind of outdated these days < 1388708024 29979 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388708024 218334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally, I got a book out of the library that covered mostly DOS 1 and DOS 2 < 1388708026 315100 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would that reboot the system? < 1388708027 746926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some mentiones of DOS 3 < 1388708032 341551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes, computing using only the MMU as it handles a never-ending double fault < 1388708046 727793 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://events.ccc.de/congress/2012/Fahrplan/events/5265.en.html < 1388708049 170674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it was an awful hack, basically they needed a way to restart the processor to be able to get back into real mode < 1388708068 26306 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, goodnight < 1388708070 617886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they connected one of the address lines to the keyboard controller, which was connected in turn to the reset input of the processor < 1388708093 289562 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the keyboard controller did that. the a20 line is a hack to make the system actually wrap around memory above 1MB, to be 8086 compatible. < 1388708104 783062 :iamcal!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qpdspdhvvkyizjfh JOIN :#esoteric < 1388708105 786453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it's not for rebooting < 1388708116 241769 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I remember looking in an old computer book, that said that the newly released Pentium series was mostly for high end workstations and would never have a mass market appeal < 1388708119 661846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I suddenly realised I was muddling two things together < 1388708120 41861 :AwfulProgrammer_!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oipvsothjfuihilt JOIN :#esoteric < 1388708136 769041 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it might have been a magazine, not 100% sure < 1388708161 72968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a thing where Windows would trigger a triple fault to reset the CPU because it was the fastest way to get back to real mode < 1388708173 682132 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: right :) < 1388708178 720442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: because it less insane than asking the keyboard controller, also a lot faster < 1388708180 249520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can reset the CPU without clearing memory or other platform state < 1388708203 472798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux still uses triple faults as a last-ditch attempt to reboot < 1388708206 879052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1388708210 31011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it causes via setting the interrupt vector size to 0 < 1388708218 107632 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1388708220 59283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only does that if the CPU's still running after all other attempts have failed < 1388708223 853971 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388708227 822085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :related: https://twitter.com/horse_unix/status/407426257010163712 < 1388708236 102101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like that awkward bit of a program that comes just after you tried to run exec < 1388708240 280134 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://kevan.org/rubicon/ < 1388708247 335089 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh < 1388708251 213851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: still waiting for zzo38_ebooks :'( < 1388708251 445880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A20 line enable/disable did go through the keyboard controller too, though. < 1388708266 423531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right, maybe that's what confused me < 1388708280 350702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, one of the platforms I'm used to is PIC microcontrollers < 1388708287 934955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which series? < 1388708289 47302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people do things like connecting GPIO pins to the reset line all the time on that platform < 1388708289 593344 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is that backwards sokoban a real thing? google turns up people playing sokoban in reverse (pulling boxes), so it seems hard to find. < 1388708296 301137 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, yeah < 1388708304 427457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I learned on the 16F series, but I used others too < 1388708304 838737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I don't know why I didn't think of Rubicon. < 1388708306 812511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't know. < 1388708310 343526 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I coded a bit for PIC12F. It was terribly limited < 1388708312 152555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Holy frick, I woke up again! Ha ha looks like those fuckers owe me five bucks" < 1388708318 92476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, 12F is mindbogglingly limited < 1388708327 378331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still fun < 1388708332 387255 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i would really appreciate an android port of it < 1388708337 6604 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, If I have to do that level of embedded programming I prefer a decent AVR instead < 1388708345 314088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the hack where you use a microcontroller to run the boost converter for its own power supply < 1388708351 137949 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, I should be asking you that question. < 1388708356 190563 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really I avoid that low level coding these days. ARM with some GPIO yay < 1388708357 773595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you have eight pins on the controller, and you can gain control over six of them somehow < 1388708359 547573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to press a button rapidly to get it to boot < 1388708362 844023 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like starting a lawnmower < 1388708372 946181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, download Enigma and search for "Nabokos" < 1388708376 326442 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I coded for one with 8 yes, two were for power, leaving 6 indeed < 1388708396 67368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it is very difficult, though < 1388708411 542228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an easy mode that's a little easier < 1388708425 26620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, the easy mode has two fundamentally distinct solutions, but I've entirely forgotten one of them < 1388708426 732994 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which one is "Nabokos"? < 1388708437 158916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there's a search button on the level pack screen < 1388708441 693191 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't even have enigma installed atm < 1388708442 32481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can search in there < 1388708451 352965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just search for "Alex Smith" for all of mine < 1388708462 413779 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and I'm on an android device with an external bluetooth keyboard < 1388708475 238993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's the reverse Sokoban level < 1388708483 746070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it makes you give it a Sokoban, then it solves it < 1388708485 60417 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, don't think I played that < 1388708491 461419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you win the level if it's sufficiently difficult < 1388708495 892712 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1388708500 556059 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds painful < 1388708507 520822 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be fun. < 1388708508 428596 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the kind of level I would enjoy < 1388708545 968897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possibly the second hardest of mine < 1388708560 818253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the hardest is "Choices, choices ...", complete with spaces before sentence-ending punctuation marks) < 1388708570 747520 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the spaces? < 1388708578 347731 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a reason I'm missing out on < 1388708582 793025 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388708603 899267 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also what is the choices one about < 1388708615 359734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the spaces have become a #esoteric/Enigma in-joke < 1388708621 840396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enigma has different floors ! < 1388708631 89642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: that line never actually appeared in the original < 1388708632 582300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1388708644 138758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because whenever you end a sentence with any punctuation mark other than a full stop < 1388708650 898579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some enterprising developer will go and add a space before it < 1388708654 882868 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1388708667 547390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why, but it's become quite the joke at this point < 1388708679 282496 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so you don't get the point of it either < 1388708680 674066 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well < 1388708687 939672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, there are many levels in Enigma that contain loads and loads of different puzzles and are really long < 1388708696 130330 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1388708700 765965 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is three points to it by my count. < 1388708701 428392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that tend to get really high ratings for no obvious reason, and are often #100 in a level pack < 1388708710 978261 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I found the quality of the levels varied considerably < 1388708711 991977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The axiom schema of sokocan is when all cells (ignoring walls) are either a player, empty, or box-on-target. < 1388708727 552530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided that even though I hate that style of level, I'd try to make one, and try to make it good < 1388708746 35700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. the puzzles that you can fail via dexterity mistakes are front-loaded, and there's an easy mode that lets you do them out of order < 1388708751 468337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a framing puzzle around them all < 1388708759 607549 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388708767 285255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that each of the puzzles has two solutions, and only one of them will allow you to complete the level as a whole < 1388708771 758525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the level also has perfect information < 1388708779 648479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at any time, you can switch to the white ball and use it to move the camera around < 1388708787 921483 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1388708798 341532 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds quite annoying < 1388708806 490564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if anything isn't obvious by looking at it, I left a document explaining < 1388708840 360317 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388708870 982442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I still don't like that style of level, I prefer the one-screeners < 1388708887 939759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's my favourite of that style, because I designed it to appeal to me < 1388708900 194927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also has a bunch of features that are recognisably ais523, most of which would be spoilers < 1388709062 454272 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh okay < 1388709068 870286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played enigma in years < 1388709078 214168 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably 2-3 years? < 1388709086 909847 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, good night < 1388709127 557483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1388709350 969434 :iamcal!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qpdspdhvvkyizjfh QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388709390 32338 :AwfulProgrammer_!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oipvsothjfuihilt QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388709409 444275 :CADD!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wxzcmivnthyxuevk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388709421 695614 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. what's the point of batteries? < 1388709459 731903 :CADD!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ukxbjokcwwtzhwco JOIN :#esoteric < 1388709544 889371 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-234.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388709557 941504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: a nice convenient method of storing electrical energy? < 1388709580 484998 :iamcal!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-czkqufoitxhmjdmk JOIN :#esoteric < 1388709591 717447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry it took me a while to answer, I needed to make sure I picked the right physical quantity, I was about to say "power" but didn't want to be inaccurate) < 1388709655 241463 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :An awful question, I know. Why do I get two batteries in the nabokoS level? < 1388709670 722394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you get two batteries in every Enigma level < 1388709678 194582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they're specifically removed to prevent shortcuts < 1388709683 764666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is because sometimes you're meant to use them in creative ways < 1388709704 610987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they were included only in levels where they were actually useful, it'd spoil the secret of those levels < 1388709723 187575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's an Enigma level design rule to give two batteries without a really good reason not to < 1388709736 327629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though like half the levels have a flag set so that they don't actually do anything < 1388709745 846100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I requested that they be greyed out in that case, but nobody's implemented it yet) < 1388709757 171081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, in some of the levels where they don't actually do anything, they're still useful < 1388709766 34755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enigma has a lot of corner cases like that < 1388709857 39387 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1388710029 412567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: incidentally, one completely pointless but amusing thing you can do with the batteries in Nabokos is to give them to the white marble < 1388710346 833400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it useful if it doesn't do anything? < 1388710465 767096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sometimes you can exploit the fact that it doesn't do anything < 1388710472 499376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :via using to occupy space that would otherwise be doing something < 1388710494 594526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one item in Enigma, the cup of coffee, explicitly never does anything, but it is nonetheless very useful for that property sometimes < 1388710517 269502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so it occupies space. < 1388710582 289103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, all items do < 1388710597 903300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it still does *that* thing. < 1388710598 136275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't have any use beyond being an item < 1388710609 974387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it doesn't have any properties except those properties that are common to all items < 1388710631 819798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that could be useful. < 1388710655 932865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enigma physics can get very crazy sometimes < 1388710660 570763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each level has a "Knowledge" rating < 1388710677 779107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's 5 (no more, no less), that means that you need to exploit some corner case of the engine in order to complete the level < 1388710682 926195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(6 means it doesn't follow the normal game physics) < 1388710693 360707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like the brainfuck level, or the Tetris level) < 1388711264 809 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388711344 227189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I try to design interesting levels with low knowledge ratings, it's hard < 1388711353 575649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joy of that game for me is trying to fit things into the game engine < 1388711356 820133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort-of like esoprogramming < 1388711519 292042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have played it but I prefer the kind of puzzle game like Hero Hearts with all kind of new pieces added; I have figured out everything about how the game engine works, but there are some limitations and some problems, and I could some time make up a clone of it which is Free software. < 1388711632 906124 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388711664 266915 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/nibackup // Today's lesson: If at first you don't succeed, roll, roll your own. < 1388711739 596457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did make a level out of nothing but solid walls, destroyable walls, abyss, and dynamite once < 1388711743 468549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was interesting < 1388711751 419553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because there's a lot you can do with it < 1388711771 962132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was broken because someone found a better solution than the intended one, which throws off the rest of the level < 1388711947 795925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not in the release version, probably partly for that reason < 1388712077 377138 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has fallen in love with this monitor < 1388712127 976139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1388712128 955023 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind? < 1388712136 379001 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dell U2713H. < 1388712187 847426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dell makes a damn fine monitor < 1388712193 158526 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :27", 2560x1440, has quite good color fidelity. < 1388712210 952452 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also impressive, darned thing comes from the factory with a proper calibration done. < 1388712240 588696 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just had to flip the thing over to sRGB, and voila. < 1388712246 652990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh neat, I know they did that for the older U3011 < 1388712256 375139 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-234.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388712261 229713 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION owned one of those < 1388712287 275004 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, it actually has larger gamut than that, but I'm not going to try doing Adobe RGB out on X11) < 1388712313 205043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sRGB gamut is pretty small :/ < 1388712333 736133 :Bike!~Glossina@71.222.63.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388712340 458771 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it's a royal pain getting better output from your software. < 1388712364 25762 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather display sRGB right than display sRGB samples as Adobe RGB most of the time. < 1388712641 218403 :Bike!~Glossina@71.222.63.234 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388712709 763625 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-234.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388712946 123245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ghint > 1388713684 990648 JOIN :#esoteric > 1388713689 111600 JOIN :#esoteric > 1388713689 626145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388713695 206677 :glogbot!~glogbot@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1388713701 771021 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388713734 562436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388713791 311060 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1388713833 851437 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1388713970 158528 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1388714009 739400 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388714034 30105 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1388714063 699781 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388714074 259457 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388714104 950063 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1388714127 948101 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1388714243 189660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, Gregor got libdl.so after all < 1388714260 450778 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I had libdl.so from the beginning. < 1388714281 210514 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not libc.so < 1388714365 671356 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1388714438 530159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1388714464 910854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, I'm not convinced libc.so was worth the amount it eventually went for < 1388714527 909766 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc.so is worth ALL the money. < 1388714536 920356 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the guy who bought it won't respond to my emails :'( < 1388714571 970239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a moment I wondered who it was < 1388714590 520481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I realised that "webmaster@libc.so" works, if there's a web server there and they're following the standard < 1388714627 890557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, although it seems that the most common address for me to receive spams at my server is support@ < 1388714631 881660 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388714633 475112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1388714651 549874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's also the one email from sudo < 1388714662 949932 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :.so has a working WHOIS service. < 1388714668 210028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "this incident will be reported" thing is even more surreal when you subsequently get the report < 1388714686 909886 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :It actually IS reported? < 1388714700 83243 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1388714701 979830 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should check root's spool... < 1388714724 229786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I set nethack4.org up so that I get root's email < 1388714728 690030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, I was shocked < 1388714761 239807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really expect an email to actually arrive < 1388714914 800504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is reported but I think there is a command-line switch to tell sudo not to report it < 1388715414 940030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me < 1388715430 749998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a vaguely silly problem today, with an even sillier solution < 1388715456 389834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem: I have installed a setgid executable, and suspect it has a permissions problem (my suspicion eventually turned out correct) < 1388715477 796222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to debug it, but I can't debug it as user:group me because I don't have the perms, and I can't debug it as root because then it works < 1388715490 721471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, I need to keep the same user, but change my group to one that I'm not a member of < 1388715504 90212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone realise why the solution is silly yet? < 1388715663 995113 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1388715692 279952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so the problem is, as ais523, I don't have the perms to change my group to a group I'm not in < 1388715711 520662 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388715715 785695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as root, I can change my group to whatever I want, but most permissions-dropping commands (such as su) also reset my group as well < 1388715728 670044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, I need a command than can set my user and group simultaneously < 1388715733 749700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only one I had handy was sudo < 1388715751 539878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, if I attempt to use sudo to change to a user other than root, it complains that I'm not allowed to do that (because it's only configured to let me become root) < 1388715760 253433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: run sudo /using sudo/ < 1388715784 870717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the first time in my life I've had a legitimate reason to start a command "sudo sudo", although ofc you can stack it effectively indefinitely if you feel like it < 1388715802 410265 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388715841 402539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'd disabled the sudo reports on my local computer, so instead of "THIS INCIDENT WILL BE REPORTED" it just said "Sorry" < 1388715951 319160 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388716129 651328 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388716178 866805 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-234.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388716257 475853 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388716393 286874 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388716636 860283 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388716670 892995 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388716842 601160 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388717031 810700 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1388717673 485582 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388717807 612923 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a Trusted Platform Model < 1388718147 673885 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1388718238 909087 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :model? not module? hmm. < 1388718277 144817 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i meant module. < 1388718393 846185 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388718754 261567 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a piece of hardware that does cryptography, stores keys, and may verify a boot sequence. "trusted" means that while it is running on your insecure PC, entities like Microsoft or Hollywood can still trust it. Wikipedia knows a bit more. < 1388718830 992725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whoever programmed it can trust it, I suppose. If you don't have the latest version of Windows on your computer, it might not be programmed at all, and do nothing. < 1388718852 970205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do, then it is belonging to Microsoft and Hollywood, and so on. < 1388718858 727257 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. weird. i have also found out from my PC construction odyssey that there is a possiblity of attaching a chassis opening detection wire. < 1388718914 889962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, some computers have that, and will log it in the BIOS in such a case. < 1388719046 166286 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_System < 1388719088 429520 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388719376 859019 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1388719502 440687 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chassis intrusion sensors are standard for servers. < 1388719824 778101 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, people on c3 doesn't know befunge < 1388719928 542052 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1388719980 879862 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388720237 889652 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1388720502 704400 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388720875 91359 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388721642 841937 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux also supports TPMs. < 1388721669 740870 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is at least *possible* to run a system wherein you yourself are doing the verification. < 1388721742 952107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is TPM emulator, too. < 1388721781 991544 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388722976 612091 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388723081 930884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388723418 538338 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1388723882 470160 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388723906 752248 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388723994 610459 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1388724004 537672 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1388724091 992532 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388724107 101240 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1388724111 893627 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex NICK :preflex < 1388725502 973068 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388725574 842354 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388726262 720277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1388726274 830099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My internet connection stopped working for some reason, but it works now. < 1388726561 967617 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388726624 563125 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388726691 986817 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388726698 12720 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388726699 809448 :douglass_!~iridium@dr-wily.mit.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388726700 9965 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388726737 449176 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1388726787 674460 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1388727019 833854 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's safe to take a cab in a blizzard < 1388727072 119886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you know the reason? < 1388727126 488937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the bits most useful for orwellian hollywood nonsense are not as widely implemented < 1388727130 562653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely remote attestation < 1388727318 995044 :douglass_!~iridium@dr-wily.mit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1388727615 209144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No, I don't know the reason, sorry. < 1388727622 699414 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1388727658 474996 :douglass_!~iridium@dr-wily.mit.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388728019 229571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: postmaster@example.com is *the* standard, if the domain has a SMTP service -- and if it doesn't, you obviously can't send email at all -- this webmaster@ is just some newfangled "HTTP" nonsense. < 1388728039 719101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, I was thinking "or you could just contact the email admin if they have email" < 1388728046 269196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and somehow didn't realise you couldn't send an email if they didn't < 1388728086 849052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(PSOTMASTER, HOSTMASTER, USENET, NEWS (synonym for USENET), WEBMASTER, WWW (synonym for WEBMASTER), UUCP and FTP are the mailbox names RFC2142 defines.) < 1388728163 680684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not exactly PSOTMASTER, obviously. < 1388728220 500812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also defines info@, marketing@, sales@ and support@ for "business-related mailbox names", and abuse@, noc@ and security@ for "network operations mailbox names". < 1388728232 578589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think zem.fi gets most spam at the "webmaster" address. < 1388728246 499328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack4.org gets pretty much all its spam at support@ < 1388728264 289461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly it the webmaster address was in some autogenerated Apache page and was crawled from there. < 1388728299 269433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been asked on here about Sirlin's Chess 2 before. You can read a lot of comments (including my own) on: http://www.chessvariants.org/index/listcomments.php?itemid=Chess2 < 1388728304 669193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also get some amount of spam for "rfk86", because that was on the page. < 1388728314 749419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think I've ever gotten a legitimate email to that address.) < 1388728501 659351 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :wishmaster@example.com < 1388728518 169513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fishmaster@example.com < 1388728532 871494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that an x86 version of robotfindskitten? < 1388728545 936723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, it's a TI-86 version. < 1388728557 629514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1388728676 529673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Hamster / a dentist / hard porn / Steven Seagull / warrior / this rifle / in me / the fishmaster," go the lyrics of Fishmaster.) < 1388728790 479541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are there enough of them to feed them into fungot? < 1388728790 679886 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: srbt yow! i'm unemployed! < 1388728925 100482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. (There aren't that many lyrics in Wishmaster, either.) < 1388728927 383717 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want fungot to make less sense, you should use the original lyrics < 1388728927 583988 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: because it's cool, isn't it? < 1388728937 607688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it would be possible to make a song lyrics style, I guess. < 1388728963 274492 :douglass1!~iridium@dr-wily.mit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1388728964 69452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite the various chess variants (even Chess 2), even ordinary FIDE chess is a fine playable game. But so can others be! < 1388728991 61186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have somewhere a language model for song lyrics I got from Tampere University of Technology folks. Plus something I trained on a smallish-but-available database. < 1388729023 544994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess: still playable < 1388729033 470966 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style lavigne < 1388729033 671183 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1388729034 299827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Despite the various chess variants (even Chess 2), even ordinary FIDE chess is a fine playable game. But so can others be! < 1388729038 41487 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1155) Despite the various chess variants (even Chess 2), even ordinary FIDE chess is a fine playable game. But so can others be! < 1388729063 100165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Song lyric databases generally don't provide download options, presumably for copyright reasons. From what I recall, LyricWiki doesn't either. (Does any Wikia wiki, really?)) < 1388729076 209525 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget < 1388729080 589391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess variants are still very interesting though, so you can play those games too, please. < 1388729109 490704 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikia being evil doesn't help < 1388729124 731196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: They're also all so horrible website-wise, I don't really want to crawl them. (Though I guess e.g. the mldb.org interface is not all that bad.) < 1388729190 30191 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some music players implement this lyrics-grabbing protocol < 1388729237 640621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, my TeX chess program doesn't currently implement some of the features needed for Chess 2, but hopefully that can be fixed. < 1388729261 139243 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, by that I mean rhythmbox has this plugin that grabs lyrics from some unspecified online service < 1388729270 879058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think MusicBrainz does lyrics, sadly. < 1388729339 315348 :douglass1!~iridium@dr-wily.mit.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388729416 789501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LyricWiki has a SOAP/REST API, but "due to licensing restrictions, the API can only directly return a small portion of the lyrics directly - which is useful for determining if you have a correct match. All responses also contain a URL to a corresponding page with the full lyrics." < 1388729458 639504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It used to return the full lyrics, but they had to change that.) < 1388729470 915082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We can't get a license to distribute lyrics for free via an API, however we do have a license to display lyrics on a web-page as long as the web-page has javascript enabled so that we can track which songs are being viewed (for distributing royalties) and have an ad on them so that a percentage of the money can be paid as licensing fees." < 1388729548 619721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Have you ever wanted to run a lyric website or a lyrics app for a mobile device but wondered where you could get good quality lyric data from? Congratulations you have found one of the largest databases of lyrics available on the web! This database is in MySQL format and contains half a million songs that you can use on your own lyric site." For only $24.99! < 1388729560 179189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange stuff. < 1388729593 549943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a brand new lyric database collated from a number of sources." Somehow I am not really sure all those sources make their stuff available for free for commercial use. < 1388729648 589962 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What is a ᵀᴇˣ chess program?) < 1388729799 789762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow! unicode ᵀᴇˣ < 1388729812 769588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet++ < 1388729823 349898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some CSS to do it but I hadn't seen it in "plain text" before < 1388729884 769507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of MySQL, https://twitter.com/alex_gaynor/status/418892674309967872 < 1388730828 209823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you build MySQL on musl? < 1388730830 947998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just wondering.) < 1388730879 839949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MuSQL < 1388730955 629625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something called "µSQL" probably exists. < 1388730969 169586 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nigh-SQL < 1388731385 789735 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX chess program is a program to read algebraic chess notation and generate diagrams from them, as well as to format the moves, and to play many chess variants, too. < 1388731676 51230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what SQL programs you prefer but I use SQLite < 1388732031 338043 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'm on my phone. what are the unicode chars in front of chess above? < 1388732067 457120 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tex" but with the heightshit < 1388732131 346064 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh you are adding Chess 2 to TeX chess? < 1388732164 122802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any other chess variants with the bidding mechanic? < 1388732471 577297 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif < 1388732544 135219 :apott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388732558 349285 :apott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1388732563 446234 :apott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 QUIT :Client Quit < 1388732563 734099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1388732572 997050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said hi before they left this time! < 1388732580 379925 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on my screen! < 1388732708 878962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that might be the problem :-( < 1388732722 928554 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good effort though < 1388732847 119171 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19940612/Jackals2.jpg < 1388732850 533886 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the jackals < 1388732858 312100 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should take more jackal pix < 1388732883 550551 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The holidays went away too quickly < 1388732902 142869 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Between the family christmas and new year with friends, I barely had any time to do shit < 1388733063 252080 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388733074 850556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://xkcd.com/1312/ < 1388733089 933817 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388733104 230298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ᵀᴇˣ -- quintopia < 1388733105 853770 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1D40 MODIFIER LETTER CAPITAL T] [U+1D07 LATIN LETTER SMALL CAPITAL E] [U+02E3 MODIFIER LETTER SMALL X] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS] [U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+0071 LATIN SMALL LETTER Q] [U+0075 LATIN SMALL LETTER U] [U+0069 LATIN SMALL LETTER I] [U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N] [U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T] [U+006F LATIN SMA < 1388733111 13691 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388733123 552712 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1388733156 62250 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"aatin smtal letter q" < 1388733191 599995 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't know, but there are others involving hidden information in various ways. < 1388733225 601994 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you play regular normal deck card games? < 1388733281 972378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, I do play that too. < 1388733293 829507 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you like "bullshit" < 1388733301 691563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know several card games using the standard 52-card deck or some subset. < 1388733332 366901 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any good at Canasta? < 1388733340 844130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the game also known as "I Doubt It"? I do know how to play, and a few variants. I don't play often though. < 1388733359 103915 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1388733360 62233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how to play Canasta too, but I don't play much; I don't think I am particularly good at it. < 1388733360 355428 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woops < 1388733364 405001 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong window < 1388733523 628870 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i had an idea for a variant, but maybe it exists. the idea would be to deal some of the cards to no player face down, and let people optionally draw and discard at turn start, also optionally discard and draw 1/4 of the cards they pick up as penalties. < 1388733543 764650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is an idea, at least. < 1388733544 371857 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus there's two decks with 4 wild jokers < 1388733555 95004 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's hard to keep track of who could have what < 1388733556 174273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: why does your flat have a Big Red Button next to the door < 1388733562 992618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime Slereah < 1388733563 521399 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Slereah is Fri Jan 03 08:19:17 2014 < 1388733583 973753 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get that question a lot < 1388733609 861260 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sirlin also invented the game Pandante (not yet for sale, although you can download the rules and perhaps make up your own), which is like poker but involving lying; you can accuse another player of lying, similar to how you can in I Doubt It. < 1388733615 693560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to identify the country from the Europlug grounding variant in use < 1388733639 124342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: poker involves a lot of lying too, isn't it? < 1388733651 94014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's bluffing, not lying < 1388733661 60114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because nothing you say that has a game effect has a truth value < 1388733671 214282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bluffing's when you bet a large amount despite having a bad hand < 1388733679 711899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the hope that other people will think you have a good hand and not take the bet < 1388733683 589996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also just say you have a good hand < 1388733686 800268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess people don't < 1388733690 29870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it would be silly < 1388733719 409563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is betting a speech act" < 1388733731 926753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps after Citizens United < 1388733764 561024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is bluffing, not lying; it is different in that way. < 1388733794 74931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Pandante, if you claim to have a flush, and then nobody accuses you of lying, then it counts as a flush regardless of what cards you actually hold. < 1388733823 694197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, cool < 1388733860 375776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: do you have an answer to that question a lot, too? < 1388733908 113859 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that is impressively many jackals < 1388733919 821974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a copy of The Day of the Jackal too < 1388733935 243683 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does that book keep coming from < 1388733952 552821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You need a Day of the Jackal-type motherfucker, basically, to do some shit like that." < 1388734084 272307 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1388734086 450554 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's thath quote from < 1388734163 871717 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wire < 1388734175 531233 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1388734222 32452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :niba rkcynvavat jul fyvz puneyrf vfa'g hc gb gur gnfx bs nffnffvangvat fgngr frangbe pynl qnivf < 1388734231 241776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spoilers) < 1388734264 713016 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1388734530 410824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/2/5266258/kanye-west-themed-bitcoin-clone-said-to-launch-this-month-coinye < 1388734595 87580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are people linking that story < 1388734600 38230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't even interesting < 1388734604 168949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's absurd < 1388734915 631828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://coinmarketcap.com/ -__- < 1388734924 739354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sexcoin, Deutsche eMark, FedoraCoin, HoboNickels < 1388734960 679958 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we be done with the internet now < 1388734989 235392 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how it feels to develop a cryptocurrency which is subsequently behind dogecoin < 1388735000 91316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :such shame, very failure < 1388735053 733865 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh jesus "asiccoin" uses that shitty anarchy logo < 1388735188 874053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric currency design and deployment! < 1388735217 224236 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, that could actually be fun. what makes a currency esoteric? not in the "nobody uses it" sense, of course. < 1388735233 999875 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird proof of work function based on an esolang? < 1388735235 989522 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :changing values rapidly is too pedestrian... < 1388735252 640485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also bitcoin already contains a mini language for describing transactions < 1388735256 403148 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could just make that more eso < 1388735286 516593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I had a bitcoin-related eso idea < 1388735297 391450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to encode a non-bitcoin currency into the bitcoin blockchain < 1388735338 31502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, rule that only transactions less than 1mBTC count, and only if they have an even floating-point exponent (so you can easily split a transaction in two to toggle whether it counts) < 1388735827 137766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rule in Sirlin's Chess 2 where a defender bidding against an attacker with zero stones must bid one seems useless to me. He wouldn't ever *want* to bid any other amount. Ties go to the attacker, having stones isn't a disadvantage, turns aren't lost due to dueling, if 0-0 the attacker can make the defender lose a stone, and nothing changes! < 1388736370 709721 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it isn't really a rule, just a pointing out of a consequence < 1388736410 949803 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it easier to implement in software to have it explicitly stated like that < 1388736413 80919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in tournament backgammon you can't use the doubling cube at 5-6 < 1388736423 796369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise the player on 5 always would < 1388736529 517916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, it can be done automatically in a computer program. < 1388736560 607876 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and is, in fact < 1388736689 299405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You are correct about that, and I think that is called Crawford rule. Such rule can be used in other games too if you are including a doubling cube rule (I thought of using it in Pokemon, even). < 1388736749 850081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1388737831 465719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another variant of doubling cube, which I do not see mentioned in the article about backgammon (probably because it doesn't apply to backgammon, in which ties and draws aren't possible), would be in case of a tie or draw, the stakes are doubled (rather than reset), and then the cube is centered again. Such a rule can be used with or without the offering doubling cube. < 1388738473 546809 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the first time someone shown me how to play backgammon game, it was Turkish backgammon, although she didn't call it that, and she isn't Turkish anyways. < 1388738534 913133 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388739103 776919 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388739229 565741 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388739384 427187 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388740210 10918 :impomatic!~digital_w@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net PART :#esoteric < 1388740964 193035 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388741954 952738 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388742384 82115 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1388745318 515455 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388745711 112025 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1388745803 820931 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1388746053 362149 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/1312/ < 1388746057 821802 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, right. < 1388746507 898250 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388747114 525570 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1388747158 551975 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-37-49-6-33.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1388747509 837638 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1388747616 613638 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1388748396 495743 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1388749755 614343 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388751464 252373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1388751653 382417 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :``Why knock Haskell for being lazy? That was uncalled for! '' < 1388751654 644440 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `Why: not found < 1388751662 720607 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1388752085 452354 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://me.veekun.com/blog/2013/01/09/cvs-and-file-extensions/ < 1388752238 26161 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1388752317 14987 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1388752338 585938 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1388753103 431458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh; first time I've seen a freenode channel on the wall in an art museum. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140103-irc1.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140103-irc2.jpg < 1388753239 522531 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw something like that at the Science Museum in London < 1388753349 502738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been in some sort of "science museum" in London once, wonder if it was the same place. < 1388753355 788306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was back in 2001 or so, though. < 1388753394 92115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There might've been IRC-based chats elsewhere, but I don't recall seeing anything in freenode. < 1388753441 843418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: darn i assumed that was CVS < 1388753443 677054 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the Natural History museum, which is the big one < 1388753454 402449 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there's the Science Museum, which is smaller and right next door < 1388753853 503896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this was in the general neighbourhood of Hyde Park. < 1388753878 94152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's that Science Museum / Natural History Museum complex, then. < 1388753894 143323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall it wasn't very big. < 1388753957 805828 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :May have been the Science Museum < 1388753966 559264 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Natural History museum is muuuuuuuuch bigger < 1388753984 942304 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the British museum (history and anthropology, iirc) is MUUUUUUUUCH bigger < 1388753994 610304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We went there, too. < 1388753997 683228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was big.) < 1388754009 622500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's kind of a de-facto standard stop, I guess. < 1388754024 732415 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the science museum you went to, was there a blue whale attached to the ceiling < 1388754123 257538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember, and I can't locate any photos either. (Maybe it was a pre-ubiquitous-digital-cameras thing.) < 1388754181 164643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure the exhibitions have changed somewhat in the last decade or so. < 1388754194 227782 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: where exactly is the ##2048 displayed? < 1388754213 652173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: It's in Kiasma, there's an exhibition about Erkki Kurenniemi. < 1388754221 847635 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1388754264 682130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen anything especially interesting on-channel, just that bot stating out which track is playing on the radio. < 1388754293 731340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The radio being the one at http://kurenniemi.activearchives.org/dataradio/ < 1388754305 943131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the chat sidebar there is what's connected to the channel. < 1388754329 438518 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388754393 678798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Built on Kiwi IRC, I see. < 1388754628 780062 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1388754983 152296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also from the exhibition: there was a room with a dozen or so monitors displaying movies; each was driven by a Raspberry Pi: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140103-pi1.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140103-pi2.jpg < 1388754991 184792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out they're not useless after all! < 1388755415 741523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, there was a robotic head-on-wheels that had a speech synthesizer that wandered around and randomly said "rauhaa, rauhaa, joulu on jo ovella" and "jumalauta, mulla on outo olo", plus "voi ihmisen pieru" on bumping into anything. (If you can't tell, it's a modern art museum.) < 1388755512 811498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ᵀᴇˣ < 1388755514 214351 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1D40 MODIFIER LETTER CAPITAL T] [U+1D07 LATIN LETTER SMALL CAPITAL E] [U+02E3 MODIFIER LETTER SMALL X] < 1388755630 541276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing that should really be a MODIFIER LETTER CAPITAL X, except it doesn't exist. < 1388755657 513234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was guessing so too < 1388755661 676204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps even more optimally just regular T and X, and some kind of dropped E. < 1388757072 71106 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/d/de/ChickCthulhu.gif < 1388757089 901186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i wonder how it feels to develop a cryptocurrency which is subsequently behind dogecoin such shame, very failure < 1388757094 114025 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1156) i wonder how it feels to develop a cryptocurrency which is subsequently behind dogecoin such shame, very failure < 1388757158 196966 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :LᴬTᴇX < 1388757317 540245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The baseline of the small capital E is kind of wrong. < 1388757382 118178 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get to work from home today < 1388757394 321226 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get to not work from home today < 1388757530 369678 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388757538 110092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get to not work today. < 1388757545 490868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(More permutations?) < 1388757558 150553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps someone gets home today. < 1388757563 811255 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388757576 831296 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388757586 883814 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get not home on Sunday < 1388757603 233463 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good piñata tractor beam morning! < 1388757618 781975 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I get partially home on Sunday. < 1388757637 977095 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I'm looking forward to Sunday < 1388757663 745050 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :York was the first place I've lived that wasn't Hexham this side of 2000 < 1388757670 639842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is starting to wonder where boily's mornings are coming from, anyway. < 1388757713 879946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe from the same place as nortti's link. < 1388757918 291698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 48 < 1388757919 823042 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 48: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1388757949 120750 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we were playing Ghost Stories yesterday night and discussing some strategies. < 1388758001 539914 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ! I can't find file `dungeonsrecording'. < 1388758015 89831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Download it from the same directory. < 1388758021 499425 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: you have nice links. < 1388758092 790549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A precompiled DVI is also available, in case you want to use that (no unusual fonts are needed). < 1388758123 181739 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good points: you specify the number of eyes. < 1388758128 869634 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad points: no unusual fonts. < 1388758148 362588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because I have had no use for any unusual fonts (yet). < 1388758177 67773 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my first D&D session, my character ended up with a magical tattoo on his chest < 1388758186 819653 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What kind of magical tattoo? < 1388758199 36923 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it's an eye, and I can't tell you more than that yet < 1388758203 479761 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I don't know more than that < 1388758206 29869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK < 1388758222 70299 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's a nasty crow lady after me because of it < 1388758383 79704 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42972.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1388759060 983809 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I doubt it, because that is from my todo list < 1388759066 650596 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was < 1388759598 901673 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388760203 858024 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388760334 810065 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388760425 484331 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388760580 249015 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://me.veekun.com/blog/2013/03/03/the-controller-pattern-is-awful-and-other-oo-heresy/ < 1388761203 603636 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388761238 638915 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say, all patterns are evil. < 1388761254 891191 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :all language is patterns < 1388761255 91667 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388761278 482664 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388761300 813792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly both boily and mauke are correct. < 1388761650 779641 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388762150 60670 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388762201 80441 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1388762265 12395 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388762758 809113 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388764466 100313 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/01/02/2247214/dogs-defecate-in-alignment-with-earths-magnetic-field < 1388764526 259028 :Guest65919!sid10106@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kdieebblmwrdwpab NICK :_46bit_ < 1388764564 408093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: i bet that's a shitty article < 1388764579 750934 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan *mapole smack* < 1388764579 951723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1388764994 787648 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388765264 991782 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388765267 568969 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388765552 568724 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://serverfault.com/questions/293217/our-security-auditor-is-an-idiot-how-do-i-give-him-the-information-he-wants this is comedy gold < 1388765923 18251 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. plaintext passwords, private SSH keys, everything in the hands of a bozo? < 1388766166 728591 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look any better < 1388766815 798439 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure which scares me more ... the idea of handing all that information to somebody calling themselves security auditor, or the apparently genuine interest in complying with such a request. < 1388766947 938536 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1388767015 750628 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ < 1388767043 628003 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit boily, topping me. < 1388767050 899243 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :☝ < 1388767108 960463 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388767145 817842 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: try CtrlR-Shift-U. < 1388767169 518427 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1388767223 360284 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :⇑⤊⟰ < 1388767228 29023 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388767257 121812 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :⌃ < 1388767309 23287 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :⇈⇡⇧⬆↑ < 1388767327 888143 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke is a Master Archer, with all kinds of tricky arrows. < 1388767331 549459 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mauke < 1388767333 67079 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1388767336 599194 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mauke.hopto.org/stuff/javascript/unicode.html?q=up < 1388767357 215164 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn mauke is a Master Archer. Caution! He can shoot your PRIVMSG with creative arrows! < 1388767361 689706 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1388767884 949542 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an option for ghc to just produce strict code? < 1388768276 91163 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1388768543 852687 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388768900 99940 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :🔶 < 1388769652 329506 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com NICK :[li]|AoS < 1388770297 521119 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388770760 740338 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define shortjmp return < 1388770774 319637 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1388770862 29031 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1388770869 279783 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nabokoS was nasty ... of course the required number of pushes is optimal and the "hard" version has a unique solution up to symmetry. < 1388770879 910861 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't call 'return' a jump. < 1388770908 284230 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what is longjmp? < 1388770911 499507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I guess "longjump" isn't much of a jump either. < 1388770923 261397 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's obviously a jmp, not a jump < 1388770936 740666 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no u" < 1388770950 622101 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you speak like fungot. < 1388770950 871036 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you don't know a lot of it can be ( make-circle-str 250 ' blue) < 1388770953 100176 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no "u". I'm not using it very often. < 1388770990 399677 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fun got me. < 1388770995 559548 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e is the new incarnation of fungot! zzo38 is an impostor! < 1388770996 34691 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: such as fnord' rather than fnord data, maybe specify it in a minute i'll see whether i need inheritance or not in css) " give me the message now. < 1388771009 429848 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thwacks int-e because of the bad pun. < 1388771053 420783 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: "nabokoS" is ais523's enigma level that asks you to build a sokoban level. < 1388771083 681696 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is conflagratedly puzzled... < 1388771208 69563 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I call it "nasty" because I had to write a computer program in order to solve it. < 1388771242 34591 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I get a link to the enigmais523? < 1388771277 918803 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nongnu.org/enigma/ < 1388771352 499554 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1388771354 571737 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good. < 1388771364 520880 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is one level in there called "Nabokos", which was created by ais523. < 1388771774 989951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ? < 1388771999 26981 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, ais523 made nabokos? < 1388772074 199380 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like enigma quite a bit and especially that one < 1388772878 213416 :[li]|AoS!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com NICK :LinearInterpol < 1388773866 360883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1388773898 300180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i sent you the xkcd link in the same spirit as you pasting me terrible things from #haskell < 1388773912 50536 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388773937 99736 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :enigma huh. < 1388773948 965 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388773949 540406 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never played Enigma. < 1388774033 562015 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :think I'll give it a shot. < 1388774225 950068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ah < 1388774273 525653 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388774358 981627 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388774615 950793 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388774632 932387 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388774656 849803 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, but Enigma is a lousy interface for Sokoban levels. < 1388774780 541186 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388775283 881113 :impomatic!~john_metc@94.116.222.134 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388775507 89952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you see http://www.pvk.ca/Blog/2012/07/30/binary-search-is-a-pathological-case-for-caches/ < 1388775601 611324 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388775735 983416 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«#define BARRIER do { __asm__ volatile("" ::: "memory"); } while (0)» ah yes < 1388775832 380641 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc has builtins for that < 1388775834 658707 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I’ve seen horrible implementations of tr1::hash for unsigned values in (it’s the identity function on my mac)" heh < 1388775920 551457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no < 1388776021 759581 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's collision free < 1388776561 270129 :douglass_!~iridium@dr-wily.mit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1388776697 219863 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://games.moria.org.uk/kye/ < 1388776856 189711 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: i played the heck out of that as a kid < 1388776864 791093 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same. < 1388776906 970958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that looks pretty familiar. < 1388776975 20341 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388777789 849869 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1388777831 920289 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5xV6R4hn0c < 1388777842 5465 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so confused right now what is happening to my brain. < 1388778015 749635 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing uglifies in my eyeballs. < 1388778263 491175 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, burritos... is it about monads? < 1388778389 640312 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a traversal. (Burrito m, Taquito t) => forall a. m t a -> t m a. < 1388778537 289869 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, there is such a thing as taco de ojo → http://www.burritoeater.com/tacodeojo.html < 1388778619 549594 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :eye taco? < 1388778686 809857 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388778722 959495 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: eye taco. even I am weirdede. < 1388778738 699360 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s.e\..\.. < 1388778822 28783 :luce90!~M@dynamic-adsl-78-15-176-232.clienti.tiscali.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1388778898 810199 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome luce90 < 1388778901 202187 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04luce90: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 06esoterica, 13try 04#esoteric 07on 08irc.dal.net.) < 1388778915 140053 :luce90!~M@dynamic-adsl-78-15-176-232.clienti.tiscali.it PART :#esoteric < 1388778937 260159 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another visitor scared away. *sigh* < 1388778946 340270 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, anybody here who speaks Italian? < 1388778964 339704 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid not me. < 1388778979 983171 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know "ciao a tutti" and "!list" < 1388779005 30454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke++ < 1388779019 20527 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma mauke < 1388779019 220886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke has a karma of 35 < 1388779022 960562 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooooooah... < 1388779027 484316 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma < 1388779027 684606 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : mauke: 1116 < 1388779050 141669 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma < 1388779050 381999 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : boily has no karma < 1388779203 739653 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles preflex < 1388779207 280936 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: kmc < 1388779210 291269 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma < 1388779210 511497 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : boily has no karma < 1388779217 662837 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sorry for autotabbing you. < 1388779238 486381 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1388779247 167090 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma chameleon < 1388779247 367486 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : chameleon: 6 < 1388779389 133772 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma < 1388779389 334282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 13 < 1388779420 629547 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lists.cairographics.org/archives/cairo/2013-December/024858.html < 1388779780 899680 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, I've always wanted C++ to be even bigger < 1388779802 590479 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someday, C++ will be big enough to encompass Haskell! < 1388780264 766243 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-23.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388780444 640377 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 2D drawing library? < 1388780448 719864 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to be joking. < 1388782109 151315 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1388782113 691367 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma < 1388782113 891701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 0 < 1388782116 564720 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1388782476 889879 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma < 1388782477 90057 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 1 < 1388782517 480134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karmageddon < 1388782517 717966 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1388782521 320839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma geddon < 1388782521 521188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :geddon has a karma of 0 < 1388782559 971813 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma ggedon < 1388782560 172368 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ggedon has a karma of 0 < 1388782565 350654 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma list < 1388782565 551261 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :list has a karma of 0 < 1388782570 600301 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma < 1388782570 800611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 0 < 1388782573 440036 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you. < 1388782577 60528 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol++ < 1388782578 579983 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol++ < 1388782580 590031 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol++ < 1388782582 590427 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol++ < 1388782584 570387 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol++ < 1388782585 801274 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma < 1388782586 1649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 5 < 1388782586 541393 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, that should do it. < 1388782591 231255 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, thanks boily :D < 1388782607 314024 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :(karma chameleon)++ < 1388782612 301587 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma karma chameleon < 1388782612 502356 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : karma chameleon: 2 < 1388782618 191343 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ boily++ boily++ boily++ boily++ boily++ boily++ < 1388782622 441723 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma boily < 1388782622 642628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily has a karma of 8 < 1388782639 900963 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma 1337 < 1388782640 101696 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :1337 has a karma of 0 < 1388782653 480389 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma boily < 1388782653 717833 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily has a karma of 44 < 1388782656 400848 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :KD < 1388782661 909977 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma boily < 1388782662 110578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily has a karma of 80 < 1388782684 340729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, the first Carmageddon game looks a lot clunkier than what I remembered. < 1388782714 507310 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma boily < 1388782714 707656 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : boily: 7 < 1388782757 165736 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1388782769 290504 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i have lower karma than all of you! < 1388782794 57242 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma quintopia < 1388782794 257590 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia has no karma < 1388782800 70344 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ < 1388782804 889925 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++++ < 1388782810 68366 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma quintopia++ < 1388782810 305954 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia++: 1 < 1388782810 306118 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma quintopia < 1388782811 202776 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia: 2 < 1388782820 598516 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬_¬'... < 1388782839 851738 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooo < 1388782841 600658 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma boily < 1388782841 880860 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : boily: 7 < 1388782842 81240 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma < 1388782842 882547 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : kmc: 98 < 1388782849 290362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1388782855 405529 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ < 1388782857 900602 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ < 1388782858 952235 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ < 1388782865 800659 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll never catch you! < 1388782874 340499 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol++ < 1388782875 379094 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol++ < 1388782876 169875 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol++ < 1388782900 760864 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides from the impending karma war of doom < 1388782954 440443 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782956 570057 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782958 523634 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782960 573655 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782962 552035 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782964 490298 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782966 558946 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782968 480350 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782969 640736 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooooooooooooo < 1388782970 530297 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782972 529960 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782973 700793 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily-- < 1388782974 580175 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782976 491740 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ LinearInterpol++ kmc++ mauke++ quintopia++ < 1388782978 489797 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, I know, something something flood something...) < 1388782980 479734 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke** < 1388782987 699947 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ boily++ boily++ < 1388782989 30224 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilyಠ_ಠ < 1388782989 230750 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ boily++ boily++ < 1388782989 431123 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69    ¯|¯⌠ < 1388782989 631326 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69    /< | < 1388782990 259853 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ boily++ boily++ < 1388782990 540074 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol÷÷ < 1388782991 532623 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ boily++ boily++ < 1388782992 460323 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ boily++ boily++ < 1388782994 680247 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ boily++ boily++ < 1388782997 130258 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ boily++ boily++ < 1388782999 631251 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ boily++ boily++ < 1388783002 140510 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily++ boily++ boily++ < 1388783006 610532 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1388783016 630444 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly// < 1388783022 591315 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay flood over < 1388783032 530440 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :full-width solidus? < 1388783049 832315 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1388783051 140477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode / < 1388783052 430770 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+FF0F FULLWIDTH SOLIDUS] < 1388783056 709952 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1388783066 893769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode HEAVY BLACK HEART < 1388783068 367439 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​❤ < 1388783073 971355 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ORANGE BOOK < 1388783075 600876 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1388783076 749928 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode HEAVY BLACK METAL < 1388783078 273888 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1388783089 111011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode KANGXI RADICAL FIGHT < 1388783090 499974 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⾾ < 1388783094 655261 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode RED APPLE < 1388783096 171013 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1388783102 621263 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1388783114 363316 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORANGE BOOK is a real legit unicode char. < 1388783117 716956 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mauke.hopto.org/stuff/javascript/unicode.html?q=red+apple < 1388783167 741655 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«bin torieux.» red apple too is a Real Unicode Far Away in the SMP Character. < 1388783180 462837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about red lobster < 1388783182 651211 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a GREEN APPLE < 1388783218 671176 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reference pictures on file-formats.info show them in different greyscale shades < 1388783399 165698 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1388783402 630358 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma < 1388783402 830475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 20 < 1388783416 965813 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: karma < 1388783417 205995 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : LinearInterpol: 20 < 1388783419 140416 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode CLOCKWISE RIGHTWARDS AND LEFTWARDS OPEN CIRCLE ARROWS WITH CIRCLED ONE OVERLAY < 1388783420 555763 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1388783423 500352 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma boily < 1388783423 700616 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily has a karma of 109 < 1388783750 939529 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode GLYPH FOR ISOLATE ARABIC HAMZAH UNDER LIGATURE LAM ALEF < 1388783752 460547 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1388783787 970436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's both an old Unicode database and an inability to handle non-BMP characters in the Python of HackEgo. < 1388783853 500144 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, apparently that is an old name < 1388783862 750429 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ARABIC LIGATURE LAM WITH ALEF WITH HAMZA BELOW ISOLATED FORM < 1388783864 300309 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ﻹ < 1388784148 620558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388784871 590938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange Enigma thing: when playing, xscreensaver does not think there is any mouse movement, and therefore activates after the usual delay. < 1388784906 509939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: <#haskell on that comic> If you can't laugh at it, you need to reevaluate the place that technological choices have in your life. < 1388785055 90315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't laugh at it because it's not funny < 1388785062 470414 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388785066 690262 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which comic? < 1388785089 21785 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: today's xkcd. < 1388785101 398696 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither is any other xkcd < 1388785108 463604 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one just has more butthurt haskellers < 1388785133 590491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a p. irritating attitude imo < 1388785154 428781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i yell "haskell sucks!" and you don't laugh at my funny joke then you are too emotionally attached to haskell < 1388785164 500160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1388785184 60605 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly, but if you take offense to it you are too emotionally attached to haskell < 1388785201 698916 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't laugh at that joke. Haskell programmers don't laugh, as emotion is a side-effect. < 1388785229 589877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`^_^v: accusing people of 'taking offense' when they're expressing some other emotion is common and obnoxious < 1388785230 790351 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ^_^v:: not found < 1388785258 240954 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who did i accuse? < 1388785269 687098 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :`^_^v: me < 1388785270 920105 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ^_^v:: not found < 1388785277 446043 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop executing me bro < 1388785288 100277 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a nick that doesn't suck < 1388785288 300557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `^_^v: I didn't accuse you of accusing anyone! < 1388785305 380845 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1388785305 575775 NAMES :#esoteric < 1388785315 540870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric `^_^v :my patience for you has expired < 1388785318 130199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1388785318 152330 NAMES :#esoteric < 1388785318 820121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1388785332 20204 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am offended at people suggesting I take offense at people suggesting I accuse offensers who offense people by taking offense at suggesting offenses are what offense people taking offense at. < 1388785352 371371 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's offensive! < 1388785359 200380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1388785404 371093 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know where I can buy typewriter ribbon? < 1388785425 550309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :office supply store < 1388785428 290293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1388785430 452037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty weird xkcd given that iirc xkcd.com has used haskell internally several times < 1388785448 390527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm glad I'm not in #haskell right now! < 1388785451 51006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a really old and tired joke < 1388785457 925956 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's pandering to its audience < 1388785466 600720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also based on a false strawman claim about haskell < 1388785480 440107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure xkcd is just catering to the lowest common denominator half the time at this point < 1388785482 224344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: as a friend I'm also glad you aren't in #haskell < 1388785487 310151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the cheap gag strips feel like that now < 1388785499 419807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, whatever, it helps the guy sell shirts and he does cool stuff on the side < 1388785504 902396 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in #haskell but like Phantom_Hoover knows I blot out things that annoy me < 1388785513 181131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm why am i in #haskell < 1388785524 80055 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would wager good money that this strip sat in some rejects pile for a long time and he just couldn't come up with anything better today so was like fuck it. < 1388785532 523729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that < 1388785536 169294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd is heavily queued, IIRC < 1388785603 460379 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've mostly stopped complaining about xkcd because I think its reputation has fallen enough that it's not so bizarrely overrated anymore < 1388785662 460845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should talk about typewriter ribbon or something instead of xkcd. < 1388785694 480781 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ribbons are good. my girlfriend has some nice ones. < 1388785713 111507 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the on-campus store at York stocks them < 1388785892 870210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you should leave #haskell < 1388785915 730470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some dot matrix printer ribbons are getting hard to find. < 1388785963 780184 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388785994 52624 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388786013 140894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot matrix printers are still common though < 1388786015 430102 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dot-matrix printers use ribbons? < 1388786019 780325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe particular ones aren't < 1388786031 352371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also maybe I mean "dot matrix printers were still common in 2003"... time makes fools of us all < 1388786034 219998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Some do, at least. < 1388786065 148663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://www.amazon.com/Epson-ERC-30-34-38-Pack/dp/B00280C35A stuff like that. < 1388786075 501120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or http://www.amazon.com/Epson-Premium-Compatible-Black-Pack/dp/B002DN6YA2/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1388786039&sr=1-3 in two colors! < 1388786103 630491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, it's the non-popular models that are harder. < 1388786181 981624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had (maybe it's still in the basement) a Hyundai (I think) brand dot matrix printer that wasn't ribbon-compatible with anything major, and even 5-10 years ago when I was looking, a big office supply company managed to locate just three cartridges in some musty old warehouse. < 1388786249 460140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think it was a lot like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wide-Carriage-Dot-Matrix-printer-Hyundai-HDP-920-/251274316551 one, but perhaps not quite that one model. < 1388786272 111670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hyundai HDP920 Compatible High Density Re-Inking Nylon Cassette Printer Ribbon" "This Item has now been Discontinued and is no Longer Available to Order" < 1388786351 1057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ru.pc-history.com/wp-content/uploads/prn_hyundahdp-920.JPG yes that is amazingly close to what it looked/looks like. < 1388786360 805868 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes, one happens to have an old incompatypewriter lying around. something that hasn't happened to me yet, but I fear will be bestowed upon me by an unknown stranger in a trenchcoat on Ste-Catherine. < 1388786384 636625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder where my typewriter is, also. < 1388786400 533639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote things with it when at the summer cottage. < 1388786408 451580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There wasn't all that much to do.) < 1388786425 60343 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did do multiple colors, though. < 1388786433 92430 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought a typewriter from a charity shop the other day, completely impulsively < 1388786495 269981 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 QUIT :Quit: CHICKEN RIBBON < 1388786498 380290 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388786507 740461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://prodano.by/media/images/post/315/3153457_0.jpg apparently it works fine in Windows 7 x64 SP1. If that's what the bit in Russian means. < 1388786507 940767 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hard is it to make your own ink ribbon out of like ribbon and ink? < 1388786699 360846 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "PRINTING FROM WINDOWS 7 x64 SP1" < 1388786709 490504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOGICAL < 1388786726 482242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What's the hammer-and-sickle for?) < 1388786734 80067 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :punctuation < 1388786738 810744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1388786747 100083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Perhaps it's a Party-approved printer.) < 1388786760 970377 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ending sentences is pretty ink-expensive in russian < 1388786817 112856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it seems that HDP-920 is the A3 model. Mine was just A4; maybe it's the HDP-910 instead. < 1388786833 128028 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388787204 252615 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388787235 984271 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1388787391 280937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is there a concise term for an idea which isn't that stupid but is very popular with clueless beginners who will do it wrong and so everyone hates this idea? < 1388787442 160542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i know of < 1388787446 490576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are some examples other than otp < 1388787464 582850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a lot of things on the haskell faq < 1388787471 960194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like dynamic typing < 1388787505 441100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, makes sense < 1388787506 952611 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-37-49-6-33.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1388787507 230871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1388787533 990093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lewd < 1388787534 190387 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 6h 22m 34s ago: *mapole smack* < 1388787685 660871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "PHP" < 1388787701 200684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("j/k lol") < 1388787740 970154 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1388787743 758669 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think Perl fits better than PHP < 1388788316 820768 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I once considered OO and static typing to be examples... sucky languages get them wrong and so they get derided < 1388788345 610728 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm not sure what some 'right' ways to do OO are, there are probably better approaches than the mainstream < 1388788466 741253 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1388788483 871315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely "wanting to do OO-ish things in Haskell" is an example < 1388788494 231149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beginners want it and are usually wrong, but there are some valid cases < 1388788676 61857 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42972.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388788973 239896 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here's me posting about it a while ago even though the post doesn't actually add anything to this discussion: http://sgeo.tumblr.com/post/45037477692/i-suspect-that-much-of-the-time-when-people-say < 1388789048 710295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A generic error has occurred." Well, that's helpful. < 1388789164 283787 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would 'unknown' be better? < 1388789213 250592 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly better than pretending that the operation was successful < 1388789226 750831 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I'm heading towards an OO-ish API for this game library I'm writing in Haskell < 1388789243 370748 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very -ish < 1388789308 890448 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Tcl is a language quite likely to explore interesting corners of OO design space < 1388789318 997981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What game library is that? And what kind of OO-ish API? < 1388789321 240793 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's XOTcl, which I don't know much about admittedly < 1388789334 680755 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although they seem to limit themselves to single-dispatch < 1388789339 530954 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388789341 500791 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Tcl is awesome. < 1388789360 360674 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk, ironically, seems less likey. Its OO is built into its core, I imagine a bit tricky to just change < 1388789367 591138 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: are you pikhq? < 1388789373 940907 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1388789387 871014 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1388789417 301012 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of done with Tcl after using a script I wrote that leaked around 12GB of memory < 1388789432 101016 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote an object-oriented language once. < 1388789445 406613 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My IRC bot is also apparently a memory leaker, but I'm not sure what's causing that. That bot is also in Tcl. < 1388789448 942175 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol, you're behind Gregor, then < 1388789452 750594 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm bad at manual memory management < 1388789492 250896 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: was his language forth-like? :P < 1388789504 990602 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass was < 1388789508 758209 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORK was less so < 1388789551 1831 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine was callllled Emerald. it was p. stupid. < 1388789584 640913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't help that people mean one of like 12 different things by "OOP" < 1388789588 981218 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strings were disgusting to deal with. < 1388789600 272097 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: mine was prototypical. < 1388789619 521374 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, is "OOP" better or worse defined than "FP" < 1388789628 121377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lie that OOP was the origin of abstract data types is pervasive in CS education < 1388789637 626928 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many dimemsions are there of somewhat well known terminology to describe OO systems? < 1388789648 270835 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :single/multiple dispatch, prototypal/class based, etc/ < 1388789648 913967 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1388789660 184282 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: as many dimensions as there are implementations of different ideas. < 1388789670 990627 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: how many of those ideas have names though < 1388789678 441866 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tooooooooooooo many to fucking count. < 1388789712 740987 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell, even the definition of object isn't consistent in most places. < 1388789718 392054 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C it's taken to be data + identifier. < 1388789724 800497 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that random joe schmoe could describe system X as "multiple-dispatch prototypal blah blah blah" and ultimately unique to X but... understandable < 1388789743 771222 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what would multiple-dispatch prototypal look like? < 1388789746 922538 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so inconsistent it boggles my fucking mind. < 1388789756 741208 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And am I spelling prototypal correctly? < 1388789786 510552 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1388789820 295770 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: multiple-dispatch prototypal language? try emerald. < 1388789827 680625 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, my emerald. < 1388789842 950706 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hacked that together so badly.. jesus. < 1388789863 780660 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link? < 1388789877 920734 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost afraid to give you the link but, sure. < 1388789910 552110 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/LinearInterpol/emerald < 1388789941 10643 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 99% of the environment isn't even defined in Python. < 1388789947 121276 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :strings aren't. < 1388789953 20782 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :math isn't. < 1388789971 160367 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, not in Python, *in the central interpreter. < 1388789974 803193 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like stack-based except when I don't < 1388789987 831718 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, how about queue-based? < 1388789990 150408 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is when stack based becomes horrid. < 1388789999 162338 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at Emerald.py < 1388790000 481989 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and weep. < 1388790004 790540 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :queue-based? < 1388790035 872540 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388790048 30497 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, there aren't that many queue-based languages < 1388790099 90850 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a symbol to start and stop the interpreter. < 1388790101 258615 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :: < 1388790111 910454 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is scary enough but it does.. allow odd things to happen. < 1388790376 640623 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in "Old" you can see I was working on a C port but in the back of my head I slowly said "nooooooooooo" < 1388790399 70798 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388790981 452316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOCCC 2013 results are in: http://ioccc.org/years.html#2013 < 1388790996 509831 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh joy. < 1388791025 251085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :SURLYSPAWN is part of the ANGRYNEIGHBOR family of radar retro-reflectors. | 22nd IOCCC results: http://ioccc.org/years.html#2013 | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1388791171 240318 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This one-line C program accepts as a first command-line argument the last name of any of the last 31 US Presidents (from Franklin Pierce onwards), in lower case, and prints out their political affiliation." < 1388791258 290122 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :main(int riguing,char**acters){puts(1[acters-~!(*(int*)1[acters]%4796%275%riguing)]);} < 1388791320 100338 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1388791671 970166 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can almost see how that works < 1388791729 450820 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just glad i can get s far as understaning that 1[bullshit] is the same as bullshit[1]. < 1388791741 530187 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, depending on how much I have misremembered the C spec, riging would always be 2 or 3 < 1388791747 400007 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably 2 < 1388791758 580988 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 4 < 1388791769 280130 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll trust olsner < 1388791771 317979 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1388791775 519980 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, why did we make a competiton for the most eye-bleedingly horrid C program. < 1388791776 530763 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait isn't it jsut argc < 1388791781 620519 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1388791783 310535 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um because it rules?? < 1388791783 729928 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm. < 1388791794 710227 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: but most of us deal with it daily. :( < 1388791812 900112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, on the other hand, can't understand how it took me this long to understand where "riguing" and "acters" came from. < 1388791816 930591 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, according to the hint.html it works with a different argc < 1388791818 53697 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it's taking the first argument, casting it from a string to a pointer of ints < 1388791818 449743 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lol. < 1388791848 890081 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely. < 1388791850 791157 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... it's casting 1 to a pointer to ints? < 1388791867 940097 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like it's based on the first 4 characters < 1388791883 559820 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: link to the entry? < 1388791889 710333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1388791895 744162 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it takes 3 arguments < 1388791898 584452 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes more sense < 1388791909 942041 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering what it was doing with argv[2]/argv[3] < 1388791933 899900 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess ~!(*(int*)1[acters]%4796%275%riguing) must end up either -1 or -2? < 1388791951 240040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, again. < 1388791953 60704 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This entry takes a BMP image file of hand-drawn (mouse-drawn?) text, specified as the first command-line parameter, and converts it to an ASCII text document. " very nice. < 1388791960 889969 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: http://ioccc.org/2013/cable1/hint.html < 1388791963 970399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : god, why did we make a competiton for the most eye-bleedingly horrid C program. <-- you're asking this in a channel that has at least two previous winners... < 1388791965 498871 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you assume 2's complement, -b is ~b+1 < 1388791975 539865 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I know Gregor, but who else? < 1388791979 449677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of cheaty how it needs the outputs as arguments. < 1388791984 571429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: tromp_ < 1388791992 770066 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did he win/what for? < 1388791994 692544 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus -~x is ~~x+1 is x+1 < 1388792004 70005 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus. < 1388792011 890816 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: shoot me. :P < 1388792030 120855 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've thought about entering but keep realising I know nought about C < 1388792042 719745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits LinearInterpol with the saucepan as the closest available approximation ===\__/ < 1388792046 981076 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Newcomers to C find it hard to learn all those different ways to control flow: for, while, if, do, goto, continue, break and heaven knows what else! So, in this program we only use for, so absolute beginners can get into the code straight away." thank goodness. < 1388792079 180745 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :real programmers use goto. < 1388792080 510639 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obv. < 1388792087 779890 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"main is the most useful function in all of C - so it is a mystery to the author why most programs use it only once. Here we use it over and over for maximum benefit." < 1388792151 281036 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ioccc.org/2013/cable2/cable2.c it's... it's so beautiful. < 1388792170 941101 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :erl -e 'map{map{print int(rand()*8);}(0..16);print chr(10);}(0..30);' | tr '[0-4]' ' '| ./birken < 1388792182 826680 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is exactly the kind of bullshit people need to stop writing in perl < 1388792184 537105 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and includes #define $ for("IOCCC" #include... < 1388792206 970629 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :god it's beautiful. < 1388792251 842493 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1388792257 390514 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This entry weighs in at a magical 4043 bytes (8086 nibbles, 28,301 bits). It manages to implement most of the hardware in a 1980’s era IBM-PC using a few hundred fewer bits than the total number of transistors used to implement the original 8086 CPU." < 1388792259 901303 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :for (0..30) { for (0..16) { print int rand 8; } print "\n"; } < 1388792297 189955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: tromp_ won in the 2012 contest, and i'd say for implementing an esolang. < 1388792299 60561 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you like living on the edge you can try building the emulator on a big endian machine, and you will get an emulation of a big endian 8086," hsh < 1388792309 360079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1388792321 69757 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah, I see < 1388792331 287077 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was working on something vaguely similar that overused gmp < 1388792334 981438 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it has bugs < 1388792366 320907 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jebus. < 1388792384 720700 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :–64[T=1[O=32[L=(X=*Y&7)&1,o=X/2&1,l]=0,t=(c=y)&7,a=c/8&7,Y]>>6,g=~-T?y:(n)y,d=BX=y,l] < 1388792436 549627 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an ioccc entry that compresses c source by making it incomprehensible < 1388792446 209861 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :~-T is an amusing way to test for 1 < 1388792464 42896 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well there's a C compiler < 1388792472 499549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bellard.org/otcc/ < 1388792484 230147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fabrice Motherfucking Bellard < 1388792540 209914 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Fucker < 1388792613 841843 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :int *Q,u,i,c,k,B,r=0,w,n,F=0,x,J,u,m,p,s=0,v,e,r,L,a,z,y,D,o,g; < 1388792634 33831 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the completely useless =0 in there < 1388792691 694895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It improves the readability of the code. < 1388792702 330120 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brwn and Jmpsver aren't nice words without the 0s < 1388792712 500625 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this supposed to do something? < 1388792784 989907 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, first of all it's supposed to impress the IOCCC judges. < 1388792846 70022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://twitpic.com/dr4b32 < 1388793008 420415 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: the quickbrownfox one is an OCR program. < 1388793078 70011 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, there's a Lazy K implementation. < 1388793084 587988 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We liked this entry because it can serve as a standalone program as well as an include file" < 1388793200 70479 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388793220 830283 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Huge memory may be required to compile the program (about 300 MB on my machine)" uh < 1388793237 490292 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388793254 791897 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388793557 457 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shaders are written in an interpreted language that supports basic arithmetic, a few math functions, variables and procedural call in the CPS (Continuation Passing Style)." < 1388793562 90399 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just gonna keep quoting crap < 1388793807 490748 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh ioccc results < 1388793866 399646 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Finally, if you lost track of how many misaka.c you have stacked together, you can feed the source to a brainfuck interpreter to get a overview of how the programs are stacked" help < 1388794108 228910 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah recursively calling main() is an old trick < 1388794147 149955 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nevertheless, the program was too big to meet the IOCCC’s size rule. So I created a smaller bootstrap program that generates the main program. prog.c contains fragments of the main program as a comment which iocccsize -i does not count." < 1388794147 429062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C++ forbids it!!! those bastards < 1388794148 211091 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1388794195 69449 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1388794216 589522 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: weird, why? < 1388794222 679315 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there videos about them presentating their code? < 1388794225 599842 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love that < 1388794246 9088 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ta < 1388794286 469757 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i'm not really sure why. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4518598/is-it-legal-to-recurse-into-main-in-c/4519407#4519407 says a little about it < 1388794287 583556 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: main isn't really a function in C++ < 1388794299 600289 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has implementation-defined linkage < 1388794299 800627 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't follow the usual language rules < 1388794315 699206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess on many platforms it is effectively extern "C" implicitly? < 1388794320 669599 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, hm < 1388794320 885267 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :no name mangling, two possible implementations (but no overloading) < 1388794321 971385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't take its address either < 1388794328 288717 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah that too < 1388794347 599655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the lengths to which we go to make C++ sort of a superset of C < 1388794374 749251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly they should have gone the Java route and required you to implement a class Main with an int operator()(int argc, char **argv) < 1388794377 35311 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is a superset of a subset of C < 1388794389 389116 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote C++ is a superset of a subset of C < 1388794393 679421 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1157) C++ is a superset of a subset of C < 1388794398 350762 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather: the intersection of C++ and C is non-empty < 1388794435 449896 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: only if the named subset of C is non-empty < 1388794470 551026 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, hence the strengthening < 1388794537 759000 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ioccc.org/2013/misaka/hint.html ok this one is just amazing < 1388794542 179138 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "quite a ride" < 1388794589 48970 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1388794606 438837 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget to look at thea ctual program < 1388794624 320807 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might be my fav entry and i haven't even seen them all < 1388794629 99078 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. anime < 1388794634 899196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow my brain < 1388794646 289700 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dies. < 1388794671 279644 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm glad i wasn't the only one who imagined horizontal cat, lol < 1388794695 646015 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Getting the code down to <= 4096 characters to meet the IOCCC rule 2 overall size limit required a good deal of effort (and appreciable risk of divorce)" < 1388794736 379733 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: which one's that from? < 1388794740 959162 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :appreciable risk of divorce eh. < 1388794745 16874 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :cable3 < 1388794788 229153 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love when you're wondering "gosh what does this program even DO?" and then you see something like < 1388794791 12282 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I n t,e,l[80186],*E,m,u,L,a,T,o,r[1<<21], < 1388794882 609669 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int,? what? < 1388794917 109319 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: it's like frosting on a cake. < 1388794933 269667 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :delicious, delicious frosting. < 1388794936 358918 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Int,; I n t, < 1388794948 859100 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this is an 8086 emulator in 8086 nibbles of C < 1388794977 288951 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the variable declarations are descriptive < 1388794981 309760 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, they describe the program < 1388795006 619048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: actually it's a full PC emulator < 1388795210 799126 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Don Yang just going to submit one of the programs on his website every year < 1388795215 204863 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric : for(my $i = 0; $i <= $#d; $i++) < 1388795217 290461 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddammit < 1388795225 338800 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do we let these people write perl < 1388795244 241821 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :open my $file, "<$opt" < 1388795253 547086 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :$expected = join '', <$file>; AAAARGH < 1388795607 860275 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: i don't know any perl; what's wrong with those < 1388795629 294922 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :first one should be: for my $i (0 .. $#d) < 1388795645 231442 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, you don't use C-style for loops in perl unless you have a very good reason < 1388795676 521467 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah. ruby's like that too < 1388795681 505528 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the <= in the condition isn't idiomatic C either < 1388795717 65946 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :second, I noticed that the author used -w instead of 'use warnings' < 1388795718 329097 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess $#d is the length of @d? it looks a lot like an off-by-one error < 1388795728 609453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$#d is the last index in @d because Perl < 1388795736 461404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but @d used as a scalar is the length of @d < 1388795743 558807 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... perl < 1388795747 236014 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind of OK if you want to stay compatible with perls before 5.6.0, released in 2000 < 1388795763 603349 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then they use 'open my $file', which requires at least 5.6.0 < 1388795775 29301 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess. @foo[$#foo] is a perl idiom < 1388795794 139978 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then they use 2-arg open, which you have no business using because starting from 5.6.0 perl supports 3-arg open < 1388795795 111691 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1388795798 263049 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the whole thing is a clusterfuck < 1388795812 392737 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :join '', <$file> is a really inefficient way to read the whole file into a string < 1388795816 149831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that the last index in @d could be anything, because you can globally change the starting index for arrays, using $[ < 1388795820 863993 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: no, that's terrible < 1388795824 482568 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: the idiom is $foo[-1] < 1388795829 557318 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wrong < 1388795832 329176 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew < 1388795832 529841 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :$[ isn't global < 1388795845 276110 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, deprecated < 1388795854 589381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol well that's fine then < 1388795874 849997 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only can the starting index be anything, it can be different in different places? this is great < 1388795879 154297 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :assignment to $[ is treated as a compiler pragma and has been since 5.0 < 1388795900 597460 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's lexically scoped so other modules can't fuck up your script < 1388795914 269211 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: wondering what happens if you pass such arrays around < 1388795916 660292 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :(officially deprecated since 5.12) < 1388795940 204572 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: nothing. $[ affects indexing operations, not the data structure < 1388795947 218797 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1388795955 290292 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: perl, that's what happens < 1388795961 680198 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... why? < 1388795975 999533 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you make arrays starting at -1? < 1388795980 548029 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, yes < 1388795986 558868 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1388795987 540048 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i swear perl is like a 20-something-year-old regularly looking back at its teens, thinking, "god. why did i do all of these dumb things. now i gotta deal with that" < 1388795995 59085 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a[-2] is the last element? < 1388796006 45549 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: yes < 1388796017 459713 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilarious < 1388796020 383557 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's crazy, but in a sane way < 1388796035 478647 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does $[ have to be an integer? < 1388796036 329029 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh if you set $[ to 1, a[0] is the last element? < 1388796039 115251 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes < 1388796040 329040 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388796049 739266 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1388796052 330220 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :( < 1388796063 289730 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I didn't know this: if you 'use v5.16' explicitly, $[ simply stops working < 1388796069 929033 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantastic to toggle between two values < 1388796073 211931 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :because WTF are you even doing, touching $[ < 1388796080 539040 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$[ = 2147483647; < 1388796080 739388 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make an array with both, change $[, access a[0] < 1388796117 220642 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god. i need an obfuscated perl code contest in my life < 1388796138 180352 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that ex--ah. of course it exists < 1388796157 985959 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll probably get more "oh god please no" out of golf contests < 1388796242 212124 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: re: "why", it's probably to make awk programmers feel at home < 1388796249 562904 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wouldn't be surprised if a2p uses it < 1388796339 395530 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC there was a popular algorithms book that used int foo_[20]; int *foo = &foo_[-1]; to be able to use foo as a 1-based array in C < 1388796360 44349 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this code has undefined behavior) < 1388796388 539304 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie mentioned some code he dealt with that did that (plus typedefs) < 1388796881 911414 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1388796909 61207 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388797265 3443 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388797389 31686 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388797484 115636 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1388797539 690286 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388797558 442690 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: I have used something like that once I think, but (foo_-1) instead of like that, and a macro rather than another variable. < 1388797572 242805 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not valid < 1388797588 879599 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know it is still undefined on some computers < 1388797601 187418 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/on some computers// < 1388797612 61124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which have hardware pointer datatypes, for example, and maybe some VMs as well < 1388797620 505989 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers are irrelevant < 1388797626 476787 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not writing computer code, you're writing C < 1388797667 571188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even in such a case, hopefully the compiler should optimize out the -1 or move it around, since it can be more efficient that way anyways. < 1388797671 719699 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c0mpUt3r. < 1388797697 520095 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't normally do that though (I think I only did once), and yes I know it is undefined. < 1388797726 997069 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, in such a case the compiler should optimize out the whole statement < 1388797745 502454 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has no semantics < 1388797759 62433 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no code runs faster than some code < 1388797770 510137 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that would be a valid thing for it to do and agree with the C specification, I suppose. < 1388797791 240021 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ideone.com/uFM1D4 < 1388797836 369996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't seem very sensible to do that automatically without being able to change it with an option (at least for targets where it is defined) < 1388797854 998235 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you're thinking in but it's not C < 1388797886 10549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know in C it isn't defined. < 1388797929 90116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in some targets it is defined in the reasonable way, because of the way the CPU instruction set works, the pointers are just treated as numbers. < 1388797943 134917 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mauke.hopto.org/stuff/c/ubfun-1.c < 1388798073 290550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does %hd mean? < 1388798107 722133 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :short int in decimal format < 1388798138 819872 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have to use h when sending shorts? don't they get expanded to ints? < 1388798159 811762 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388798182 647804 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure, actually < 1388798197 50882 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? varargs < 1388798198 730247 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :varargs? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1388798225 774393 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the code has undefined behavior < 1388798236 931777 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :it behaves differently under gcc -O0 and gcc -O2 < 1388798360 890981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION discovers that walter pinkus's middle name is haskell < 1388798381 570163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: How does it behave? < 1388798400 630587 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it behaves undefinedly :) < 1388798417 797430 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: try it and see :-) < 1388798431 960138 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it do on your computer? < 1388798438 830151 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: what if he gets the same behaviour < 1388798441 170284 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1388798455 893550 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that would be interesting < 1388798496 520245 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advanced compiler optimizations: we remove code that you intended to run < 1388798545 240368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't it print negative numbers? Or is the proper thing to do, something else? < 1388798610 597445 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any maill systems out there that still can't handle high 8 bits? < 1388798610 797605 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388798623 10394 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1388798637 928950 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388798645 1537 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388798696 541041 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(“Are there still systems that...” “Yes”) < 1388799013 619878 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: Hmm, I get the same behaviour (with gcc 4.8.2), even with -fstrict-overflow < 1388799053 10604 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in particular, no infinite loop) < 1388799058 353000 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, this seems to be new in 4.8 < 1388799074 410917 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :older versions generated an infinite loop < 1388799205 740416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: nyx < 1388799377 421020 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be argued that creating an infinite loop is a pessimization < 1388800812 213126 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's not what was happening. The compiler removed a test that it could prove would always succeed unless the program invoked some sort of undefined behaviour (in this case, signed integer arithmetic underflow). < 1388801219 560821 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388801810 580559 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://regex.alf.nu/ < 1388801878 310918 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds awesome < 1388802045 481436 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, fun. < 1388802092 941727 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be more regex games < 1388802115 360774 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the later ones require loads of perl extensions to the regexpes < 1388802131 82734 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :( < 1388802131 361274 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more than 0 < 1388802182 290735 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This doesn't really work as a tutorial. Not really clear what you're supposed to do here." < 1388802186 20851 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there backtracking required < 1388802210 82394 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :allochirally, good word < 1388802219 941586 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well, it uses JS' engine, so it can't use too many Perl extensions < 1388802231 50686 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS regexp doesn't even support lookbehinds < 1388802258 970721 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. this one is titled 'backrefs'. < 1388802268 600336 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :page closed, unfollowed, detweeted, called the cops < 1388802322 760101 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1388802339 610585 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says "regex", not "regular expression" < 1388802387 870310 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i have to call the cops on yout too < 1388802405 974960 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :come at me bro < 1388802421 113390 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :/.*/cops < 1388802435 520380 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 is pretty simple, though < 1388802569 1566 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388802636 350234 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 would be easy if you could change the columns < 1388802775 704801 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 is easy but my solution is inelegant < 1388802786 581529 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1388802804 650191 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh < 1388802809 621752 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no < 1388802838 485726 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, 6 is worse < 1388802864 400240 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kinda stuck at 6 < 1388802873 732284 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :brute force again, I guess < 1388802882 368564 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am kinda stuck at 5 :( < 1388802892 450080 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1388802894 490363 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could do negative lookahead or the like < 1388802894 690603 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 I mean < 1388802907 166526 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i never ever recall what they look like < 1388802933 219788 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, the prime thing < 1388802935 441296 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I've seen a regex for 7, but I can't remember how it worked < 1388802939 646631 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately it's easy < 1388802943 342133 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1388802948 922492 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume the prime thing should be easy < 1388802952 254283 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :call me if they're looking for fibonacci sequences < 1388802975 851874 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1388803015 451349 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this even support negative lookahead? < 1388803039 131252 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric : JS regexp doesn't even support lookbehinds < 1388803041 580615 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i get a regex to recognize fibonacci sequences like abccdddeeeeeffffffff of any length, and with any characters < 1388803048 240431 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean as in (?!)? yes, that's supported < 1388803048 662263 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lookbehind does not matter < 1388803064 40925 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't my sollution work, then < 1388803074 441981 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I can recognize "x x xx xxx xxxxx" etc < 1388803087 611539 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too easy < 1388803107 169044 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :show me < 1388803146 368513 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, i'm too stupid for lookahead assertions < 1388803163 491063 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1388803187 760187 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the < 1388803270 450345 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, that's why i'm asking! < 1388803298 700455 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty sure, there has to be a ?! at number 5 < 1388803305 50077 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just can't assemble it < 1388803386 278820 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: http://p3rl.org/perlretut < 1388803554 20060 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: i know how they work, i think < 1388804328 651433 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... [^\2] does not work` < 1388804329 910153 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1388804566 249970 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1388805140 530588 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it < 1388805263 211512 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm too tired < 1388805530 165993 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, it seems to not knot conditions < 1388807947 279703 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1388807955 160036 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a JOIN :#esoteric < 1388808000 481512 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388808039 430512 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1388808097 149737 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: since those are supposed to be anubis things < 1388808102 731159 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're technically not jackals at all < 1388808129 630149 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least they're not depicting jackals! < 1388808130 469555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well jacktually, < 1388808132 869634 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are they < 1388808135 921608 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is very pomo < 1388808686 959725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i just start adding ##crypto quotes here < 1388808697 459606 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1388808717 570303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have a crypto quote bot and it's sad < 1388808734 169905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although lambdabot is there so maybe it's more appropriate < 1388809131 777221 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: quote < 1388809132 433432 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : and facing a choice between perl and mircscript, i'd gladly shoot myself < 1388809343 700356 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good choice < 1388809360 301097 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: quote < 1388809361 322713 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : scroll lock is a letter in the canadian language < 1388809514 760139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there 2D and 3D implementations of PADsynth? < 1388809689 149788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The description of PADsynth is: 1. Add together several bell curves with differing mean, variance, and amplitude (specified as parameters to the algorithm), to fill up the amplitude table. 2. Fill up the phase table with random data. 3. Make the inverse Fourier transform. < 1388809744 79615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other synthesis algorithms are there with a kind of relative simplicity? < 1388810055 872485 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1388810166 449614 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://moviecode.tumblr.com/image/72105358714 < 1388810180 699889 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sample code? That seems a bit monotonous < 1388810352 393892 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1388810352 594325 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1388810401 100701 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1388810473 963503 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388810495 71724 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://moviecode.tumblr.com/ finally < 1388810504 249669 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1388810588 901736 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388810927 920525 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388811365 770056 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the film Elysium the space station is rebooted using code taken directly from the Intel Architecture Software Developer’s Manual Volume 3: System Development" < 1388811368 809809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems accurate < 1388811492 409919 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of shocked that Uplink has gotten any kind of update < 1388811551 749462 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's now an iPad version) < 1388812393 136670 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388812501 502049 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388813532 660467 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1388813533 850266 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I drank a chemistry experiment in class once. I forget the exact nature of the experiment, but I do remember that if we did it < 1388813534 50687 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :correctly, we ended up with plain old salt water. We must have done it mostly correct, because other than a mild burning for < 1388813534 50849 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :about an hour after, I was fine. Teacher flipped her shiat though. My lab partners threw me under the bus. All through the < 1388813534 50945 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :experiment, they were like , "C'mon...drink it...DRINK IT! I dare ya!" and then when the teacher got mad, they did a 180 and < 1388813535 659504 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :were all like, "She did it man, it was HER idea!". I got an F on that particular lab assignment." < 1388813570 270054 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :student does dumb thing < 1388813584 132868 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388813680 339520 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had homeroom in a science classroom, and someone spit in the teacher's drink, so I told the teacher not to drink it. Later was told what a good thing I did, especially since it could have been anything in there, and asked me if I knew what it was. Spit. < 1388813710 439634 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I guess is a thing to avoid consuming, but probably not as ... dangerous as they were thinking < 1388813731 899644 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be worse < 1388813737 169525 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a biohazard < 1388813932 809831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was almost the timestamp 1388813888 according to some computers. It repeating in twice < 1388814190 763440 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388814626 739198 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388814652 521099 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1388815096 40685 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388815993 502661 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388816265 480332 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388816670 990560 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388817006 681280 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388817796 941840 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388817821 611771 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388820388 43562 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388820889 756172 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388820951 901946 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388822451 51379 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388822495 640925 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388822512 792361 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388822663 880632 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388823020 150323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nice < 1388823054 560273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you seen https://twitter.com/megasecond < 1388823201 521200 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just upgraded my libc to sid apparently < 1388823203 540050 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1388823226 940167 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the plus side, the thing I was trying to get working is < 1388823276 613152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad there's no way to run daemons or cronjobs on HackEgo < 1388823291 811257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i think megaseconds should be announced in here < 1388823365 639848 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in big rainbow ascii art perhaps < 1388823515 961666 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388823688 201310 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any correlation between a game being difficult for computers and being fun for humans. < 1388823698 210421 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a lot of unfun for humans games are easy for computers < 1388823711 890110 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I mean, like chess and go, computers have more difficulty with Go < 1388823732 780922 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm imagining 'computers are good at it' to indicate 'semi-trivial strategy' < 1388823735 730442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah although they're pretty good at go now as well < 1388823739 782122 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Althouhg that's obviously false for chess < 1388823751 330162 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although iiuc chess strategy does have some trivial parts < 1388823754 480256 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :memorized openings < 1388823771 330332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivial means there exists a computer program to do it < 1388823778 750413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or we can imagine one < 1388823856 170499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I have not seen. < 1388823889 340506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make up your own megaseconds announcement if you prefer to < 1388823926 720373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do you think that go is more fun than chess? < 1388823941 350874 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a very long time since I tried chess < 1388823951 260328 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of don't want to try it again, not sure why < 1388823964 571350 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't really think I can compare too well < 1388824060 540753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are games other than chess and go, such as shogi. < 1388824079 440438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is Fischerandom chess < 1388824163 762810 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388824278 750569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can appeal to some idea that tree pruning heuristics are more fun than exhaustive search, but a game can exceed the human ability for exhaustive search and still be easy for computers < 1388824315 160661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not clear that additional computer-hardness past that point changes a human player's subjective experience that the game has deep strategy < 1388824847 690929 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparantely chess has lots of memorizing positions < 1388824856 30838 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a sirlin article on that I think < 1388824984 470934 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/17005/produce-the-number-2014-without-any-numbers-in-your-source-code < 1388824997 191403 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring. < 1388825137 301104 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python "print int(`len('aaaaaaa')`+'de',len('bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb'))" < 1388825141 581160 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :python: can't open file '"print int(`len('aaaaaaa')`+'de',len('bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb'))"': [Errno 2] No such file or directory < 1388825147 210878 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python run "print int(`len('aaaaaaa')`+'de',len('bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb'))" < 1388825148 671106 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :python: can't open file 'run "print int(`len('aaaaaaa')`+'de',len('bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb'))"': [Errno 2] No such file or directory < 1388825156 241130 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. golf < 1388825163 171101 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Golfing is always interesting. < 1388825219 101089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (936) < 1388825220 439126 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (936): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1388825483 210869 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c "print sum(ord(c) for c in 'Happy new year to you!')" < 1388825484 651465 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014 < 1388825526 151065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1388825540 771451 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :print ord('ߞ') < 1388825548 71643 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- there you go < 1388825569 835156 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's gonna beat that? < 1388825707 461680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c "print sum(map('Happy new year to you!'))" < 1388825709 1479 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "", line 1, in \ TypeError: map() requires at least two args < 1388825713 630959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c "print sum(map(ord, 'Happy new year to you!'))" < 1388825714 921587 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014 < 1388825729 180983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo > sum . map ord $ "..." < 1388825759 192565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum$map ord"Happy new year to you!" < 1388825760 281236 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2014 < 1388825783 951830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord<$>"Happy new year to you!" < 1388825785 71499 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:augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388828139 593798 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388828139 593865 :nisstyre!~yours@74.114.77.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388828139 593936 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1388828139 594010 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1388828405 853088 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42972.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1388828650 282112 :JZTech101!~JZTech101@5.231.53.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388828650 482456 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1388828650 482605 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388828650 482675 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388828869 783045 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1388828882 893122 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many modulos does one need to reconstruct the original number? < 1388828898 223259 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting from 2 < 1388828905 673225 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1388828924 634185 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e 2014 % 2 = 0, 2014 % 3 = 1; 2014 % 4 = 2; 2014 % 5 = 4 and so on < 1388828942 913569 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which gives you the numbers 0,1,2,4,... < 1388828957 625594 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you want to know how many of those numbers you need to reconstruct 2014 uniquely? < 1388828963 233241 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1388828988 863988 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need one, as long as it's bigger than 2014 < 1388828991 13293 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your moduli are coprime, you can uniquely reconstruct a count of numbers that is the product of the moduli. < 1388829008 533135 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance if your moduli are 2, 3, and 5, you can have 2*3*5 = 30 unique numbers. < 1388829013 615129 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(after that they'll start repeating) < 1388829041 173297 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0 mod 2 = 0, 0 mod 3 = 0, 0 mod 5 = 0; 30 mod 2 = 0, 30 mod 3 = 0, 30 mod 5 = 0) < 1388829057 903234 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that what you mean? < 1388829065 333110 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that helps. < 1388829080 323392 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little. < 1388829097 383094 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else do you want to know < 1388829127 233172 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many numbers do I need to reconstruct (uniquely) any given number < 1388829134 324450 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1388829140 63201 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite. < 1388829147 643605 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing as how there are infinitely many numbers. < 1388829149 743359 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :such is life. < 1388829154 562981 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1388829169 823089 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/any/a certain given < 1388829194 363294 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter. if you're not specifying an upper range you're out of luck. < 1388829219 789605 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388829219 989980 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1388829219 990133 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1388829219 990203 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388829219 990278 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388829219 990345 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388829219 990416 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1388829219 990482 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1388829219 990549 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1388829227 450050 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1388829231 183266 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want f(x) < 1388829236 923996 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try writing out the integers mod certain numbers. 2: 0, 1, 0, 1... 3: 0, 1, 2, 0, 1, 2, 0, 1, 2, ... 4: 0, 1, 2, 3, 0, 1, 2, 3, 0, 1, 2, 3,... < 1388829241 12955 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they repeat. < 1388829246 612966 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where f is a function that tells me how many numbers I'd need to reconstruct x < 1388829277 623193 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1388829277 823569 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see your point < 1388829287 403050 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The upper bound is x < 1388829301 322801 :JZTech101!~JZTech101@5.231.53.154 QUIT :Changing host < 1388829301 522991 :JZTech101!~JZTech101@botters/jztech101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388829304 718447 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com NICK :Guest37212 < 1388829306 38058 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then shachaf knows the answer. < 1388829337 343137 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :he cheated with "as long as it's bigger" < 1388829358 333233 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheated? you didn't say anything bout the moduli < 1388829382 973550 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want to have the moduli be contiguous and starting at 2? < 1388829389 944794 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1388829396 13100 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"of course", he says < 1388829403 503453 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the whole point < 1388829412 73522 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not coprime so it's some bullshit. look up the chinese remainder theorem. < 1388829419 124362 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be much more sensible to use only prime moduli. < 1388829471 743273 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case you need, let's see, five. < 1388829486 173967 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 * 3 * 5 * 7 * 11 < 1388829487 174900 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2310 < 1388829523 583196 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (2014 `mod` 2, 2014 `mod` 3, 2014 `mod` 5, 2014 `mod` 7, 2014 `mod` 11) < 1388829524 713205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (0,1,4,5,1) < 1388829970 724807 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi NICK :Deewiant < 1388831551 465656 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388832014 402159 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yep. < 1388832121 732832 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about 11.1 bits if you're wondering, very ehhhhh < 1388832137 604694 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I need to be convinced that mod 4 does not provide more information than mod 2 < 1388832146 22891 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I assume it does not < 1388832162 991885 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it does. < 1388832173 641874 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, obviously 3 and 1 are distinct under mod 4 and not under mod 2. < 1388832200 482855 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1388832213 898825 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can it reduce the required numbers to 4 instead of 5 for 2014 < 1388832214 171994 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's when you use them at the same time that things get redundant. < 1388832217 655692 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that you don't start at 2 < 1388832226 661267 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can choose 4 moduli you like < 2014 < 1388832239 612272 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well sure i guess. 3, 4, 5, 7, and 11 are still coprime < 1388832263 47265 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is coprime gdt(a,b) = 1? < 1388832268 540270 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh wait < 1388832271 311679 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcd(a,b) < 1388832274 162869 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1388832276 602305 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1388832286 615952 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Teilerfremd in German :) < 1388832287 612477 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just means they don't share any factors; primes are coprime with everything < 1388832370 407310 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 8 * 11 * 13 < 1388832372 12448 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1144 < 1388832375 592248 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 8 * 11 * 13 * 17 < 1388832376 552424 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 19448 < 1388832417 314346 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should let me uniquely reconstruct 2014 with 4 numbers? < 1388832460 622395 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1388832480 12244 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2014 `mod` 1008 < 1388832481 512129 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1006 < 1388832487 123936 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1008 + 1006 < 1388832488 793392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2014 < 1388832497 792552 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man am I stupid. < 1388832532 791871 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the moduli is > x/2 it's pretty obvious you only need one < 1388832551 772934 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how cruel < 1388832554 584905 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1388832567 272648 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the "pick yourself a moduli" case < 1388832568 952305 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1388832578 862335 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or modulo < 1388832593 592261 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have one modulus of 1008 you can't distinguish 1006 and 2014 < 1388832619 709627 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw. yeah < 1388832654 481976 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll stop trying. < 1388832670 871977 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you're not going to represent 2014 in any useful sense without being able to represent at least 2015 distinct numbers :p < 1388832695 972073 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1388832714 902259 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm experimenting with "probabilistic compression algorithms" or whatever you call them < 1388832730 112843 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lossy compression? < 1388832739 851958 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a sense, yes. < 1388832755 542714 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically an "underdefined" equation < 1388832789 921829 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. you can't reconstruct the data uniquely < 1388832812 832272 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can construct all possible solutions < 1388832819 962716 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them then is the actual original data < 1388832859 452161 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that it is english text < 1388832868 93394 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do an text-analysis on all solutions < 1388832878 997099 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-37-49-6-33.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1388832882 221945 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reconstruct the original data pretty well < 1388832973 954941 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may tell me now how stupid that is ;) < 1388833024 881295 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :another approach is to predict the future < 1388833042 174510 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then only transmit information if the actual outcome wasn't the same as the prediction < 1388833057 596413 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you actually transmit a "difference" of the actual data to the "prediction" < 1388833117 642219 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you might as well use something more sane like huffman or lz or whatever < 1388833219 51185 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(underdefined == not well enough defined) < 1388833225 791131 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if that's an actual english word < 1388833299 371106 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's well enough defined :p < 1388833367 642995 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388833390 772157 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1388833793 300919 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1388833828 901020 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run "echo 2014 | python -c 'print input()'" < 1388833830 71719 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: echo 2014 | python -c 'print input()': command not found < 1388834068 882349 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388834123 543288 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388834657 743260 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388835491 61 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388835871 101105 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:augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388840249 991863 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388840357 952354 :tertu3!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388840548 82877 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388840607 532143 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388840637 953458 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388840729 905146 :tertu3!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388840735 231542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1388840742 82889 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388840759 582522 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388840845 922194 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388840940 392036 :tertu3!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388841000 402303 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388841014 128193 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1388841026 503046 :tertu3!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388841050 2508 :tertu3!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388841076 709014 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tertu3, fix your connection plx < 1388841103 881307 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ٩ < 1388841105 541669 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1388841109 211667 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ٩ < 1388841110 909779 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0669 ARABIC-INDIC DIGIT NINE] < 1388841115 522135 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388841138 631298 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ARABIC-INDIC DIGIT EIGHT < 1388841140 191518 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​٨ < 1388841182 352664 :tertu3!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388841195 961915 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388841198 934514 :tertu3!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388841271 862749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for d in one two three four five six seven eight nine; do unicode "$(echo arabic-indic digit $d | tr a-z A-Z)"; done | tr -d '\n' < 1388841277 221619 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​١٢٣٤٥٦٧٨٩ < 1388841361 684269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :٦ looks more like a 7 to me. Such foolishness. < 1388841375 561808 :tertu3!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388841390 2501 :tertu3!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388841457 321537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode arabic-INDIC digit ZERO < 1388841458 722143 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​٠ < 1388841463 791850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it wasn't case-sensitive after all. < 1388841500 593173 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388841700 31813 :tertu3!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388841861 95521 :ter2!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1388842384 851966 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388842914 411675 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wget ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt < 1388842915 743736 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​--2014-01-04 13:41:55-- ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt \ => `UnicodeData.txt' \ Resolving ftp.unicode.org... failed: Name or service not known. \ wget: unable to resolve host address `ftp.unicode.org' < 1388843371 430621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITYM "fetch" < 1388843385 7069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone might've done that already, also. < 1388843426 223313 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1388843555 55014 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388843758 943545 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388843822 932315 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388844275 343645 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1388844358 221626 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1388844764 31882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly not, I can't find any traces of it. < 1388845618 681499 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a certain bound subset of bf known to be turing complete? < 1388845663 901717 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite registers would be nicest, but i really doubt thst < 1388845670 211916 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, if you have bigints < 1388845676 201761 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only need like 6 cells or something < 1388845690 882040 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke, oerjan proved 3 cells with bigint < 1388845702 271263 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1388845715 631334 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do it with 1-bit cells if you have infinite cells, I think < 1388845748 211533 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-bit cells are in bitchanger and boolfuck < 1388845749 741848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes that's boolfuck < 1388845768 112435 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are the two extremes < 1388845791 628531 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it proven that two unbounded cells is sub-TC? < 1388845832 491039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i never wrote up a proof < 1388845878 341260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the fact ending a loop forces one cell to be zero means you have not very much more than a single cell to use < 1388845928 181576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe we _did_ get a proof during previous discussions of the issue here, i don't quite remember < 1388846067 681283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: the 3-cell proof is in the "Collatz function" article of the wiki (because it's like, a corollary of those) < 1388846098 21277 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: could you elborte < 1388846126 101208 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1388846147 471618 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an actual proof of that bigint part < 1388846171 167846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wiki Collatz function < 1388846172 561563 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wiki: not found < 1388846177 931586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^wiki Collatz function < 1388846178 131883 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Collatz function < 1388846206 641653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very escaping that command < 1388846231 691432 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reduction from fractrn < 1388846234 181424 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy < 1388846240 94552 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would love reading about that < 1388846289 901490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: the function for the reduction is in the haskell code further down < 1388846299 677538 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that 3-cell-thing might be handy for proofs < 1388846345 17308 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be possible to compile from 3-cell-bf to wolfgang < 1388846456 356816 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to think on how to handle loops... < 1388846483 806900 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, should actually be pretty easy < 1388846495 68231 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will take a look at it later < 1388846501 717015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: if wolfgang can embed state machines, then a 2-register minsky machine or fractran might fit better. 3-cell bf is nice if you only have precisely bf's control flow. < 1388846549 506975 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, i agree, but i have no approach in mind on how to compile fractran to wolfgang < 1388846565 157281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok 2-register minsky machine then. < 1388846572 267143 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have a look at it < 1388846584 847062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the member of the family which has full state machine control < 1388846758 297500 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so i have to proof a) i can resemble a fsa and b) i can increment and decrement on at least 2 registers? < 1388846762 707334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apropos state machines, this regex game y'all linked to is starting to get awkward, i think i need to convert a state machine to solve this triples level < 1388846802 587872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: yeah. and also branch on registers reaching zero. < 1388846817 309304 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite sets are technically boring < 1388846839 757650 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you have to cheat for triples < 1388846848 957754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1388846861 27563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i know in _principle_ how to do the conversion. < 1388846876 157478 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1388846888 477623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just looking to be large, is all. < 1388846900 227857 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only know it's possible for binary numbers < 1388846948 118361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: calculating modulus wrt any base can be done with an fsa. < 1388846965 177550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's particularly easy for 3. < 1388846975 568142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't mean the regex is nice. < 1388846990 838236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well i guess binary is even easier.) < 1388847023 737555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the digital root algorithm, really. < 1388847042 967433 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary can easily be done with 3 states < 1388847067 567941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean checking triples in binary? < 1388847076 929286 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1388847079 447491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only need 3 states regardless of base, anyway. < 1388847084 127718 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1388847090 568352 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you do that? < 1388847096 197432 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1388847104 126689 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvmd < 1388847172 78714 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388847438 807741 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does a minsky machine actually use the registers? < 1388847467 868432 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something like an "increment r1" state? < 1388847560 307753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :each state has like a command attached, which is either increment a register, or decrement a register and branch. < 1388847564 438099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe halt. < 1388847591 257906 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or nop, i assume < 1388847602 337614 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, you can simulate nop at least) < 1388847604 157875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop is sort of useless. < 1388847695 494869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a state uses nop, you can just remove it and skip directly to its target instead. < 1388847726 187931 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will still read a char from it's input < 1388847746 417572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um you're thinking of ordinary fsas. < 1388847753 247815 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1388847774 877845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :minsky machines don't have i/o other than the initial and final register values. < 1388847780 686548 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1388847785 927545 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does make sense < 1388847989 838038 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/vwbKqAK.png Any way to simplify this using only these kinds of gates? Transistors would be fine < 1388848007 767753 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is this the simplest design possible (using NOT, NOR and AND) < 1388848097 69451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION managed to get the conversion for triples working < 1388848769 147576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tweaks it up to 519 points with cheating < 1388848853 967812 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had 555 < 1388848862 338020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1388848865 777756 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone told me, 630 are possible < 1388848902 458079 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, maybe not < 1388848916 37850 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :630 should be all the words < 1388849034 587642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wtf blob < 1388849037 647328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives up < 1388849054 157973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er glob < 1388849189 518426 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1388849195 687650 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am stuck at it, too < 1388849380 667343 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, oerjan what are you talking about? < 1388849477 787301 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the regexp thingy? < 1388849572 517272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :regex.alf.nu < 1388849612 747285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Is that just a full adder? < 1388849792 48243 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah < 1388849879 949308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google pops up an arXiv paper of "Single bit full adder design using 8 transistors with novel 3 transistors XNOR gate", if that's what your "transistors would be fine" means. < 1388850150 958340 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1388850745 448523 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That design involves a multiplexer < 1388851246 391332 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1388851394 859966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, made out of two transistors. < 1388851396 809707 :int-e_!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/jonathanmorley/8058871 has many regex.alf.nu spoilers (with total score 4069. I had 3850 or so) < 1388851419 550591 :int-e_!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de NICK :int-e < 1388851489 279373 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the end I was annoyed by the fact that cheating wins in almost all cases. < 1388851497 910070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:57:51: in which case you need, let's see, five. < 1388851498 110599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:58:06: > 2 * 3 * 5 * 7 * 11 < 1388851522 129489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl1' lcm [5,7,8,9] < 1388851523 359445 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2520 < 1388851562 999504 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime oerjan < 1388851563 998157 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for oerjan is Sat Jan 4 17:06:03 2014 < 1388851611 269730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman 5, 7, 8, 9 are enough. < 1388851611 470039 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1388851638 989540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl1' lcm [5,6,7,8] < 1388851640 51239 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 840 < 1388851663 249518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl1' lcm [1..9] < 1388851664 474840 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2520 < 1388851758 970722 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. there was a netsplit around that time, tsk. < 1388851805 500172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'm pretty sure this was after that netsplit < 1388851826 161034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tunes.org wasn't loading. < 1388851852 749634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still isn't. < 1388851896 290328 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah I failed at applying time zones correctly. Ok. < 1388851926 440412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the paste is from codu, so utc, anyway. < 1388852025 559537 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I figured it out. The @localtime was my mistake. < 1388852067 938540 :Guest37212!~SirCmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com QUIT :Changing host < 1388852068 138593 :Guest37212!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1388852094 888822 :Guest37212!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn NICK :SirCmpwn < 1388852097 829899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman the clue is that if you start with a range [1..n], you can throw away all numbers that aren't the largest power of a prime. < 1388852098 30234 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1388852192 841534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman hm i'm not entirely sure that always gives the smallest number of numbers. probably, though. < 1388852193 77928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1388852215 650451 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't it < 1388852254 629612 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl1' lcm [1..20] < 1388852255 469529 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl lcm 1 [1..] < 1388852255 706419 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 232792560 < 1388852256 549647 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,2,6,12,60,60,420,840,2520,2520,27720,27720,360360,360360,360360,720720,... < 1388852265 430037 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no euler spoilers!!!!!!!! < 1388852288 29667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: actually it doesn't. e.g. 5,6 is better than 2,3,5. < 1388852315 879397 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, like that < 1388852328 549655 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 30 is better than 5,6 < 1388852359 80619 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you have that [1..n] range you need to stay in < 1388852368 207733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: yes but we also want to minimize the largest number, i think. < 1388852395 819699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it's trivial to take just the bound you want. < 1388852429 679610 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, let's just compute modulo 2^64 like everybody else does. < 1388852454 919507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :420 is best got with 7*6*5. < 1388852490 599746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman actually not always, e.g. for x=420 you get the best by using 5,6,7. < 1388852490 800043 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1388852576 470222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect 2*3 = 6 might be one of the few replacements that can work. < 1388853513 321426 :23LAATJIN!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388853533 520812 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388853925 300393 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for 4084080 (= lcm [1..17]/3) the best possible seems to be 7*11*13*15*16*17. < 1388854055 58823 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: note that you did the same thing; 7*6*5 equals 210 < 1388854181 709101 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by "the same" I mean that you also have a prime power factor that isn't maximal below a chosen n. In your case, 2 <= 7 instead of 4 <= 7. < 1388854819 336171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1388854845 778664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman scratch that last one, i missed the 4 < 1388854845 979416 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1388854869 798556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman or well, it works for x=210. < 1388854869 998863 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1388855129 728609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm well, to get all of the lcm [1..n] you obviously need to include all the prime powers as factors somewhere. < 1388855260 818755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have p^i*q^j as factors where p < q, then p^(i+j) must also be a factor somewhere, which means including it with q is redundant. so you never save anything by including non-prime-powers. < 1388855278 658440 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes. but that lcm [1..n] sequence is very coarse. < 1388855305 450545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah especially if n is prime. < 1388856052 808726 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388856175 868883 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1388856528 469139 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh good. If the cipher mode for dm-crypt is given as -plain, the kernel translates that to -cbc-plain. I wish that fact was properly documented (I expected a hint in Documentation/device-mapper/dm-crypto.txt). < 1388856690 778215 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(man cryptsetup has such a hint: "--cipher, -c: set cipher specification string. Usually, this is "aes-cbc-plain". For pre-2.6.10 kernels, use "aes-plain" as they don’t understand the new cipher spec strings. [...]". However, I only found that after reading the kernel sources...) < 1388856775 578000 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1388856781 508265 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1388856872 992965 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388857176 697873 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factors 65536 < 1388857178 47673 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: factors: not found < 1388857191 237860 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that work again? < 1388857214 77517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 65536 < 1388857215 337511 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :65536: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 < 1388857220 69228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a relatively standard utility.) < 1388857269 447642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not quite POSIXly standard, but part of GNU coreutils at least.) < 1388857304 557831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1388857505 367689 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factors 65535 < 1388857506 638016 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: factors: not found < 1388857508 918137 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 65535 < 1388857510 317624 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :65535: 3 5 17 257 < 1388857658 7652 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor `echo 1` < 1388857659 267681 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :factor: ``echo 1`' is not a valid positive integer < 1388857665 677176 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`eval factor `echo 1` < 1388857666 797587 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: eval: not found < 1388857686 118406 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :run? hmm. < 1388857706 577380 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run factor `dc <<<'2 64^1+p'` < 1388857708 258402 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :factor: `18446744073709551617' is too large < 1388857713 547441 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wimp. < 1388857860 617422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, I don't think HackEgo comes with PARI/GP installed. < 1388857953 347554 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let n=2^64+1;r x y|f>1&&f 274177*67280421310721 < 1388857969 448365 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18446744073709551617 < 1388858020 447418 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run factor 67280421310721; factor 274177 < 1388858021 987663 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :67280421310721: 67280421310721 \ 274177: 274177 < 1388858047 857398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this strangest feeling we just factored 2^64+1 the other day, on-channel. < 1388858233 237618 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the smallest prime factor of 2^128+1 is a bit too big for Pollard's rho method to be effective. Pity. < 1388858346 360498 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (2 ** 1 + 1) * (2 ** 2 + 1) * (2 ** 4 + 1) * (2 ** 8 + 1) < 1388858347 477397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 65535.0 < 1388858372 47468 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (2 ** 1 + 1) * (2 ** 2 + 1) * (2 ** 4 + 1) * (2 ** 8 + 1) * (2 ** 16 + 1) < 1388858373 27286 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4.294967295e9 < 1388858385 997522 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388858397 598519 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you'd use ^ rather than ** you'd get integer results. < 1388858421 457494 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> product [2^(2^i)+1 | i <- [0..4]] < 1388858422 857241 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4294967295 < 1388858445 57573 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my Python's slipping, I can't remember which exponentiation operator to use, and I'm eating leftover coleslaw. < 1388858479 407364 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. it's ** in Python. < 1388858489 607502 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ is xor in Python < 1388858514 219278 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print (2 ** 1 + 1) * (2 ** 2 + 1) * (2 ** 4 + 1) * (2 ** 8 + 1) * (2 ** 16 + 1)' < 1388858515 697902 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :4294967295 < 1388858657 727237 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Haskell that needs three operators to harness the power of exponentiation. < 1388858694 167367 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the power... or curse (flips hair dramatically) < 1388858728 427259 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only said it for the pun. < 1388858743 497958 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. uh. me too < 1388858754 157741 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I want is to exponiate, not to get mired in the Cursed Swamp of Mathematically Correct Operators. < 1388858782 997236 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = 0/0 in x == x < 1388858783 977421 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1388858850 617925 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = 0; y = -0 in (x == y, 1/x == 1/y) < 1388858851 597649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (True,False) < 1388858869 277218 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But to be fair, the Haskell designers didn't make up those rules. < 1388858873 607283 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does math say -0 == 0? < 1388858884 157319 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :IEEE 754 does. < 1388858904 337136 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or probably like it's with math -0 == 0 for some math and -0 <> 0 for some other math . < 1388858909 247348 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, math does, too, because 0+0 = 0, so 0 is the additive inverse of 0. < 1388858985 717313 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "math". This is true for any group (the neutral element is its own inverse), and in particular for the additive group in rings. < 1388858990 387795 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval 0 / 0 < 1388858991 507397 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NaN < 1388859007 505188 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval (1 / 0, -1 / 0) < 1388859008 228197 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Infinity,-Infinity) < 1388859058 927829 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval let x = 0; y = -0 in ((x :: Int) == (y :: Int), (x :: Double) == (y :: Double)) < 1388859059 627412 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(True,True) < 1388859065 137374 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = y -> f(x) = f(y) is something mathematicians tend to expect from equality. So that failure (= not being a congruence relation) is pretty bad. < 1388859103 677424 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :equality is hard. let's do something different! < 1388859116 447486 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0/0 < 0 < 1388859117 707420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1388859121 777638 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh. < 1388859201 328006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = 0/0 in (x > 1, x == 1, x < 1) < 1388859202 427384 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (False,False,False) < 1388859210 607639 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course dividing by 0 is also generally frowned upon, because you will necessarily lose the ring structure :) < 1388859355 307573 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Btw, re-reading GG is totally worth it. There are so many small details to rediscover, not to mention some significant plot developments that I have forgotten over the years. < 1388859355 546060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1388859777 57674 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's GG? < 1388859794 577424 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it may be Girl Genius. hth. < 1388859812 838343 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hth < 1388859848 775053 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: hth. < 1388859861 770463 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = 1 / 0; y = - 1 / 0 in (x > y, x < y, x == y) < 1388859863 28060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (True,False,False) < 1388860323 748224 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is right as usual. < 1388860486 988621 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYQB < 1388860487 787579 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 041800Z 03008KT 30SM FEW022 BKN080 BKN095 M18/M23 A3018 RMK SC2AC3AS2 SLP230 < 1388860496 367332 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :today is a hot day. -18 °C! < 1388860594 779911 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ergh < 1388860878 619402 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: in norway? < 1388860885 657474 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42972.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1388860892 318172 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: in CANADA! < 1388860901 937537 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway is warmer this time of the year. < 1388860902 217935 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1388860920 547399 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"come to canada. we have great summers. last year, it was a tuesday" < 1388860941 858042 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENGM < 1388860943 538053 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENGM 041820Z 21007KT 9999 -DZ FEW012 SCT016 BKN025 04/04 Q0997 NOSIG < 1388860962 410806 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar YMCA < 1388860963 107811 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1388860992 37221 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KFUM < 1388860992 677407 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1388861006 597536 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KBGR < 1388861007 297937 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KBGR 041753Z 19006KT 10SM BKN110 M13/M18 A3031 RMK AO2 SLP273 4/024 60000 T11281183 11128 21289 56039 < 1388861009 617806 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar SPAM < 1388861010 317461 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1388861132 507267 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still above zero, I suppose? < 1388861135 147536 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ESSA < 1388861135 957481 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSA 041820Z 23009KT 9999 SCT007 BKN010 05/04 Q1002 R01L/29//95 R08/29//95 R01R/29//95 TEMPO BKN015 < 1388861152 837908 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wimps with above-zero wintemperatures... < 1388861229 487680 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost all of december has been considerably warmer than average < 1388861249 128098 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smhi.se/klimatdata/meteorologi/2.1353/dailyTable.php?par=tmpAvvDay&yr=2013&mon=12 < 1388861357 848374 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, 10 degrees warmer than normal in almost all of norrland < 1388861413 737926 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.. < 1388861801 558745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very strange. < 1388861804 627610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1388861807 228824 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 041850Z 13008KT 6000 -RASN BKN003 01/01 Q1004 NOSIG < 1388861833 727695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The newspaper said Russian tourists (of which there are many this time of year) have been very disappointed with the mild weather. < 1388861869 517590 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar IKEA < 1388861870 219531 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1388862089 377763 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ETLA < 1388862090 78389 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1388862567 258235 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388862711 239576 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1388862815 20099 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388863171 960397 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388863396 770692 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-37-49-6-33.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1388863787 189237 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ZERO < 1388863787 969330 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1388863795 290575 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388864033 616838 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388864465 860322 :doesthiswork!~Adium@97-126-87-49.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388864483 250241 :doesthiswork!~Adium@97-126-87-49.tukw.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : the most recent oots was most excellent < 1388864534 830450 :impomatic!~john_metc@94.116.107.32 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388866031 593524 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOCCC! → http://ioccc.org/years.html?a=123 < 1388866049 802367 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glances meaningfully at topic < 1388866277 452511 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glances at himself... < 1388866289 142739 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/clear! /clear! /abort! /time-travel! < 1388867558 43601 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, my mind is completely twisted by misaka. < 1388867593 413869 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1388867691 903674 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy. horizontal. tiling. < 1388867791 524289 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388869696 424509 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388870584 933302 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i like the haskell variation where main :: String and all the rts does is evaluate it and print it to stdout < 1388870592 432845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1388870616 183456 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that clarifies the "execution vs. evaluation" thing out of existence < 1388870648 128684 :nisstyre!~yours@74.114.77.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1388871631 546620 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1388871631 785918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1388871969 792838 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42972.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388873304 62607 :boily!~boily@207.112.39.31 QUIT :Quit: CRYPTIC CHICKEN < 1388873306 212833 :metasepia!~metasepia@207.112.39.31 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388873663 33250 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1388873730 863978 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388873973 15327 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388873994 63187 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388874011 333087 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1388874394 392465 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388874842 452566 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1388874916 442945 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388875001 602815 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1388875013 234590 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388875048 938636 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388875308 612907 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388877042 862938 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388877656 492762 :doesthiswork!~Adium@97-126-87-49.tukw.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1388878692 274422 :Bike!~Glossina@c-24-21-88-250.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388879029 932612 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388879285 962127 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1388879347 884375 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388879483 162393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1388879537 932172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-gouda < 1388879538 132619 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 5h 36m 22s ago: Btw, re-reading GG is totally worth it. There are so many small details to rediscover, not to mention some significant plot developments that I have forgotten over the years. < 1388879604 672156 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-62-106.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388880183 721653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like gouda < 1388880413 171529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily norway is warmer this time of the year. <-- incidentally i saw in the newspaper that the night before yesterday was the fourth hottest january night ever measured (by minimum temperature) in trondheim. (it was 5.1 celsius.) < 1388880413 409844 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1388880492 851843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.1 celsius is p. cold < 1388880501 881984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily http://www.adressa.no/vaeret/article8897643.ece < 1388880502 82540 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1388880592 571762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you californians are p. spoiled < 1388880610 123252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait am i a californian now < 1388880639 441818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd hazard a guess israelis are p. spoiled about temperature too < 1388880691 181571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :look the point is, why are you even in trondheim when it's so inhuman there < 1388880695 911727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a proper finn would never call 5.1 celsius cold. < 1388880752 461534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was last in helsinki it was ~30°C < 1388880757 911990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :too hot imo < 1388880765 261809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru dat. < 1388880782 781595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second half of December in Finland was the warmest ever in statistics starting from 1961. < 1388880811 542371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you put some flour in your hair and moved to california < 1388880838 577968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more sensible than calling people spoiled imo < 1388880843 781619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the highest temperature ever measured in norway was 35.6°C < 1388880956 701575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did have -39.7 °C in December somewhere up north though. < 1388880973 51523 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :this year? < 1388881021 442714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last year. It hasn't been December this year yet. < 1388881038 831650 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, slow year < 1388881075 313208 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1388881156 241767 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on where you let start your year < 1388881175 261613 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, if america starts a week on sunday, why not start a year in december? < 1388881325 221461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, whole 2013 was the sixth warmest in the 1847..2013 range. (Top 5 has 1938, 1989, 2011, 2000, 1934.) < 1388881399 652332 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388881436 311246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Europe in the Middle Ages, the year generally started on 25 March < 1388881439 842167 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year#Historical_Christian_new_year_dates < 1388881464 952962 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: perfect < 1388881471 71406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sometimes on Easter, never mind that the date of easter moves back and forth < 1388881474 35432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'same date could occur twice in a year; the two occurrences were distinguished as "before Easter" and "after Easter".' < 1388881475 162321 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there were a december this fiscal year < 1388881510 731213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :January 1 is the Feast of the Circumcision of Christ < 1388881516 432022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :religion is creepy < 1388881521 811391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sunday is the sensible day to start the week < 1388881527 41387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :america starts it on monday < 1388881540 431456 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1388881550 502220 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who starts on sunday, then? < 1388881558 96652 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The American convention is Sunday. < 1388881565 201633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO starts it on Monday < 1388881572 631537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you gonna argue with ISO < 1388881590 902316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo it starts on sunday < 1388881595 111300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you gonna argue with IMO < 1388881596 934774 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monday is the first day in most of continental Europe, as far as I'm aware. < 1388881601 171216 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why argue with ISO when you can simply ignore them completely < 1388881637 682332 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :america has been strong in ignoring standards for ages < 1388881800 901402 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388881919 841443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Week numbers: worst things. (Even agreeing on the start day doesn't guarantee those.) < 1388881977 261681 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least there is no $[ in there < 1388882022 382417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"World map showing first day of week used in different countries Saturday Sunday Monday Wednesday (questionable) < 1388882037 311447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last one sounds good. < 1388882061 905151 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf wednesday? < 1388882066 102096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wednesday is questionable < 1388882084 534826 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, in german it's practically named "midweek" < 1388882093 411373 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell can a week start at that < 1388882151 841978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "midweek" in Finnish too. < 1388882189 631945 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where live these crazy people? < 1388882197 881176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :odin's day < 1388882202 721295 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedish also has "wednesday" (but spelled onsdag) < 1388882274 191252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's just wrong. (The map had Hungary marked with Wednesday.) < 1388882416 17899 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388882424 311119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO week numbers have Monday as first day, and the week is associated with the year that contains the Thursday of that week, but: "In some countries, though, the numbering system is different from the ISO standard. At least six numberings are in use: --" < 1388882466 682544 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great thing about standards < 1388882650 491117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Scandinavian countries, Saturday is called lördag, "lørdag," or laurdag, the name being derived from the old word laugr/laug (hence Icelandic name Laugardagur), meaning bath, thus Lördag equates to bath-day. This is due to the Viking practice of bathing on Saturdays.[citation needed]" < 1388882673 321238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That last bit was somehow amusing. < 1388882690 791398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's "lauantai" in Finnish.) < 1388882712 971989 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed I bathed today (earlier today when it was saturday) < 1388882724 221287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vikings are well-known for their bathing habits. < 1388882801 281702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did, too; we have a sauna reservation on Saturday, which I think is p. typical. (Though it's v. possible a private sauna would be even more typical; haven't seen statistics.) < 1388882903 371285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Statistics Finland's page is not loading. :/ < 1388882952 941577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: wednesday as midweek only makes sense if the week starts on sunday < 1388882986 240803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It makes perfect sense when week starts on Monday, because Saturday and Sunday don't count. < 1388882988 201554 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: depends < 1388882996 761741 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1388883047 771147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered that you don't count (properly) < 1388883063 381804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hebrew gives better evidence for it < 1388883074 641036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in hebrew sunday is called firstday and monday is called secondday and so on < 1388883079 161118 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? my week ends on friday :p < 1388883082 691100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, this page only has statistics for numbers of buildings. < 1388883089 572499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sensible < 1388883120 551002 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: must drive programmers crazy < 1388883219 181156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1388883275 901961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, in 2012, there are approximately 1555000 saunas "in flats", and 2579781 "household-dwelling units" in general. So (assuming the contribution of multiple-sauna dwellings as negligible) I guess it would logically follow that it's more common to have a sauna than not. < 1388883301 461057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i mean, why would you not have a sauna < 1388883326 661784 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could get a sauna put in my flat, or if it requires special infrastructure < 1388883327 841109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of money, I guess. < 1388883343 750830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it requires rather similar infrastructure as a bathroom. < 1388883370 111272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my grandmother has a sauna in her house in .il < 1388883375 961181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :less common, i imagine < 1388883406 161540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We don't have a sauna here, probably because it wasn't as common as it nowadays is to put private ones in, back in 1984 when this building was builded.) < 1388883487 781125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having one does take up some floor space. Though the ones they put in small apartments are really very tiny. < 1388883504 822184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sort of things that will be very crowded if you try to have more than two people in at the same time. < 1388883543 191043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo you gotta have your own lake, too < 1388883584 171805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 187888 lakes (definition: >500 square metres) in Finland, so we'd have to kill a lot of people to achieve that. < 1388883584 372258 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could use your bathtub as the lake and have a foldable sauna you can use to convert the rest of the bathroom into a sauna < 1388883624 981288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we could dig out more lakes, too. < 1388883635 361072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The killing solution just sounded occurred to me first. < 1388883696 832338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can consider a 1000 square metre lake to be two adjacent 500 square metre lakes < 1388883901 881068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that would work. < 1388883956 805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to W|A, there's 34330 km^2 of lakes in Finland, so divided to 5.42 million people, that's about 6334 square metres. < 1388883971 551078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enough to give everyone up to 12 lakes. < 1388883985 871133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1388883996 140874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think everyone should get some shore as well < 1388884058 71237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, the shoreline problem. < 1388884087 851565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is difficult to have a sauna by the lake when all you have is lake < 1388884137 260894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked for "shoreline in Finland", but I think it's interpreting that as the coastline bordering the sea, or something. (On the other hand, I learned that 1250 km is "0.78 × distance the Proclaimers would walk, just to be the man that walks a thousand miles to fall down at your door". < 1388884148 311176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The distance being a thousand miles.) < 1388884163 622109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1388884182 780935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The comparisons of W|A are frequently very useful.) < 1388884221 710436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :78 centimiles < 1388884222 970488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388884299 151329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll make like a Proclaimer and walk (a shorter distance) to fall asleep now. (Nights.) < 1388884426 540577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i meant centikilomiles < 1388884481 968386 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :decamiles? < 1388885138 70401 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should eat (because it's dinner time) or sleep (because it's bedtime) < 1388885304 720865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may ban everyone who tries to argue that the week starts on Sunday < 1388885331 970567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt elliott proves he's an antisemite < 1388885724 162377 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1388886031 611810 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388887606 385957 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1388887659 160925 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1388888391 640231 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388888522 270227 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1388888858 230522 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-62-106.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1388888945 960106 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-201.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388889147 339976 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1388889483 920729 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-201.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388889566 890374 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388889794 549998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: pnyte < 1388889796 741562 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388890650 432439 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1388891049 530181 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388891490 942228 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1388891502 810383 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realize new BOFH stories are being produced < 1388891753 491391 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388891885 685522 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1388891889 621060 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net NICK :augur < 1388893111 300536 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know about weird-ass linux boot errors < 1388893143 10043 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing is telling me "Firmware Bug" and then.. i think it's crashing trying to look at an empty hard drive, which dumps me into ramfs, but it can't get a tty so i can't even tell it to die < 1388893212 570230 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, some kernel bug. weird. i wonder why the recovery linux works then < 1388893859 80114 :doesthiswork!~Adium@97-126-87-49.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388894334 250890 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is shutdown -k for, i love it < 1388895224 341689 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1388895842 369674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1388896632 900523 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1388896642 828445 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1388896744 719963 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1388896825 883030 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388896827 591584 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex NICK :preflex < 1388897071 571442 :_46bit_!sid10106@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kdieebblmwrdwpab QUIT :Quit: Crunk. < 1388897142 250983 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz JOIN :#esoteric < 1388898626 862593 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388898877 790068 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388899346 752535 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388899852 130868 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388899934 201308 :myndzi\!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388900006 842770 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388900172 349949 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1388900654 401292 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388902411 962399 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388902442 922557 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388902499 91605 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388903539 498736 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTES: < 1388903541 210768 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shutdown wasn't designed to be run setuid. < 1388903554 150881 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...uhm. < 1388903571 321071 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, mine doesn't have that. < 1388903596 990804 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think this ubuntu one is a totally different implementation from the arch one, how odd < 1388903646 590932 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i guess has to do with ubuntu doing some total other thiing with initd, well, whatever < 1388905378 741166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have more idea of some kind of computer game based on something I have dreamt of. Do you have any such things? < 1388905498 111526 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought of basing a game on dreams once. < 1388905501 781991 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388905531 282267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you please be more specific? < 1388905536 802557 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388905573 122042 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a game with a framing story of invading dreams somehow (Paprika ish, probably) used to exhibit real people's dreams in FPS form. < 1388905768 21281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK. My ideas isn't like that; it is simply using things I have dreamt as ideas. < 1388905794 402360 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. but it seemed related. < 1388905803 791580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's OK. < 1388905826 823496 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388906295 147654 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1388906522 454357 :ski_!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1388906952 872534 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388907001 231284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you perhaps give an example of how you would do that? < 1388907067 283489 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388907074 471459 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a friend with a dream where she was picked up by robots and told to run obstacle courses, so that they could study humn behavior; bam, tutorial level < 1388907110 391558 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds a lot like psychonauts to me < 1388908137 903100 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388908753 332273 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388908796 691317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell you what one of my ideas is, though. You can gain (and change) your affiliation with various organizations during the game, such as the evil "The Core", or one of the three factions that secretly work for them; or the four small intelligent insects (two red and two blue) who are against them, and can eat the inside of your body and brain a little bit. Eventually they can grow much larger (almost as big as people) and wings to fly; ... < 1388908854 241147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :... if big then it is a great help to you to stop "The Core", too. Or, you can play as the insectoid character, which is like another game, even though it is the same game. And then there can be even more confusing circumstances involved in the situations!!!! < 1388908908 450859 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game of confusing circumstances involved in situations < 1388908992 512290 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think i might like this game! < 1388909010 580824 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: that's an important note < 1388909041 771067 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :translation "shutdown is not necessarily a secure piece of software. If you setuid it, attackers may do other things" < 1388909199 10816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, maybe, but I don't actually have much more idea than just what I wrote now. < 1388909246 817 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1388909321 341433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there is one more thing. I also dreamt that such evil organizations was in the same building as a clothing store (maybe as a kind of front), and for some reason there was the situation where for "cosmic balance" or something like that, we had to accelerate the rack hanging shirts while riding it, once we reach the middle we must turn it around immediately and decelerate all the way to the other side until it stops. < 1388909331 890888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it wouldn't stop... < 1388909384 780969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So such a thing could be worked into a game too, but it can also be made not to. < 1388909391 121813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it doesn't help. < 1388909395 761014 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it makes little sense < 1388909458 991525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it isn't sensible. < 1388909582 431098 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other ideas above seems more likely to work, though. But still I don't have much more idea to actually program in such things. < 1388909604 551799 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1388909614 586709 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wanted to < 1388909620 430756 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could come up with something < 1388909626 501530 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just think about it hard enough < 1388909642 631769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I might be able to do so in future < 1388909659 654752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do *you* have any better ideas? < 1388909704 251431 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am sometimes working on a puzzle game < 1388909720 860696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of puzzle game? < 1388909742 162271 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388909826 271096 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about santa's elves going on strike. so santa gets conned into replacing them with robots that run on rails. and the player is stuck with the task of designing the rails and switches so that the toys get put together correctly. < 1388909835 271587 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1388909918 961434 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would be a manufactoria sort of game, but less turing-complete (no queue) < 1388910289 921185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ever do make a game based on what I wrote about what I dreamt (the first one, not the second unsensible one), then I can show you. But, I might not. Nevertheless, there are several other idea possibility. < 1388910321 270987 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much time a day do you usually spend building software < 1388910418 250902 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388910447 50896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1388911376 910753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can Zerocoin keys be transmitted using separate channels? < 1388912236 691320 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably < 1388912257 831253 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's not really a need for it < 1388912295 783243 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead, just reclaim your zerocoin as btc, and immediately give it to whomever in the usual way < 1388912314 301192 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anonymity is maintained as long as you do the claiming with a new address < 1388912372 962539 :FreeFull!~freefull@host-92-30-20-93.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388912373 753457 :FreeFull!~freefull@host-92-30-20-93.as13285.net QUIT :Changing host < 1388912373 953672 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388912810 441563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But would it simplify something in any way if in a way that would still work OK? < 1388912905 341912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would still need time to verify the transaction, for sure, though. < 1388913226 501231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what ways there are to do what things, since it seem to me a good idea would be to design the system to allow transmissions on separate channels < 1388914432 740874 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you already can < 1388914458 200880 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just hand out the private key of the zerocoin transaction you made < 1388915995 40568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just wondering how much privacy issues there are from such thing; maybe it depends on who uses it? < 1388916070 10611 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know about CipherSaber? < 1388916078 830927 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the point of zerocoin is to remain anonymous, and if you transfer zerocin via a side channel, you are deanonymizing yourself to the person you give it to < 1388916094 460467 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'll look it up < 1388916121 891329 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388916136 820488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CipherSaber is a variant of ARCFOUR with a ten-byte initialization vector and the key setup repeated a secret number of times too (this secret number would be part of the key). < 1388916189 481917 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388916302 270342 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1388916322 788870 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears to be a specific RC4 implementation. no biggie. < 1388916425 542141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used RC4 as nothing more than a random number generator, and this seems to work; it also isn't too difficult to implement in a 6502, although it uses up a large amount of the RAM in systems such as NES/Famicom. < 1388916512 360351 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to implement a good quality random number generator for the RANDOM instruction of the Z-machine, but I don't have 256 bytes of RAM remaining which can be used for this purpose; almost all of the RAM is already used (and that includes the 64K RAM in the cartridge, too!) < 1388916516 640161 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem like famicom would have much need for encryption < 1388916545 840288 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhh < 1388916565 942216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is true, but I just wanted to implement a good quality random number generator; cryptographic quality is not necessary but it does have to be *good* quality. < 1388916627 370559 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so have you considered and rejected LCGs? < 1388916635 380331 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they certainly use very little memory < 1388916703 530276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they good enough? < 1388916749 741164 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect it to be good enough. < 1388916760 902892 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what good enough means to you < 1388916768 791846 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:e2cb:4eff:feb2:e567 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388916775 410542 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388916788 980281 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :LFSRs can be computed in the same amount of memory but take longer to compute, but have better randomness properties < 1388916810 550352 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:e2cb:4eff:feb2:e567 QUIT :Client Quit < 1388916834 520325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random numbers shouldn't need to be generated too often. < 1388916856 610266 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1388916948 814438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably in any Z-machine games it won't be generated a lot of random numbers each turn, but it need to be at least reasonably fast, but not a lot like other things are. < 1388917007 240614 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that the time could also be used as an input to the random number generator; the results don't have to be predictable. < 1388917008 861119 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i think LFSR will be good enough. < 1388917117 121121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I hope so < 1388917122 201556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can try. < 1388917217 847532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be combined with a time counter increasing every frame, and then it need to know how many bits of output are needed and then if the number is too high after masking out the unneeded bits, try again. < 1388917313 632493 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good < 1388917341 612333 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :using XOR to combine with time i assume? < 1388917397 720420 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42892.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1388917456 340042 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z machine on a famicom? < 1388917458 221230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that there is actually a LFSR in the 2A03 (the CPU for the Famicom), however the program cannot read it unless pin 30 is high, in which case the I/O ports stop working, and anyways pin 30 is internally hardwired to ground and cannot be changed. It *is* output to the cartridge, but no cartridge does anything with it except to output it to the audio. < 1388917501 100318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Yes, I made up much of it already, but not division and random numbers. http://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/User:Zzo38/Famicom_Z-machine You can read the coding so far < 1388917569 860025 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use a multiply-with-carry generator, I don't know if it will fit in 256 bytes (of code?) < 1388917588 131323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: The code can be put in ROM; it doesn't need to fit in RAM. < 1388917613 500180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can implement it in software, though. I didn't intend to use XOR, but rather subtraction, to do the combine, however; and the number need to be 15-bits but a 16-bits LFSR could be used. < 1388917614 660376 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the small word size of the 6502 may be a problem. < 1388917632 650116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would slow it down a bit, yes. < 1388917691 40283 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the multiplication would be better using the Russian algorithm; would this be better or not, than what I have? < 1388917710 770169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean for the MUL instruction, not for random number generators) < 1388917719 410496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet I would still require division/modulo < 1388917891 379991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as an efficient way to lookup in the vocabulary (which could be preprocessed using a separate program if it would help; there is probably enough ROM space for such a thing) < 1388918124 579990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also please notify me if you found anything wrong with the program so far < 1388918514 969782 :doesthiswork!~Adium@97-126-87-49.tukw.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1388918622 516823 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-37-49-6-33.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1388919000 520118 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed a C code for LFSR in Wikipedia. However, in a GNU C program, you might use __builtin_parity, would that work better? (Or you can use __builtin_parityll if you need more bits) < 1388919866 819848 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:e2cb:4eff:feb2:e567 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388919876 591230 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:e2cb:4eff:feb2:e567 QUIT :Client Quit < 1388920373 560013 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 6502 does not have a division instruction? < 1388920440 991226 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's *that* old. < 1388920653 229858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPARC doesn't have a division instruction either. < 1388920682 679996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And it's a not-that-old "real" processor.) < 1388920700 580496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it might have a floating-point division, though. < 1388920761 820117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, to be more exact, a SPARC might commonly come with a FPU that does division.) < 1388920996 400529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, 6502 has no multiplication or division instruction. < 1388920997 400032 :gully_foil_Ja!~theghost2@63.142.161.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388921027 90019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although the MMC5 cartridge does include a hardware register for multiplication.) < 1388921236 220189 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.pr0gramm.com/2012/07/tfcu4.png < 1388921272 130851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ARM in the Nintendo DS has a hardware integer multiplication (and multiply-accumulate) instruction, but no division; however, the DS adds a separate memory-mapped (64- and 32-bit) integer division and square-root device. < 1388921312 203456 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Regaining my lost channels < 1388921343 40107 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388921468 940056 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is true even as early as ARMv2, I think; it has multiplication but not division instruction. < 1388921486 140352 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: wondering what linux looks like at this < 1388921609 830106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518UgTYS4UL._SY300_.jpg perhaps? < 1388921713 669925 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not unlikely < 1388922039 720741 :AwfulProgrammer_!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nzocljueoqntcmma JOIN :#esoteric < 1388922842 754978 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:91fe:a833:1d36:651d JOIN :#esoteric < 1388923075 723093 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1388924183 741695 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388924471 400497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is article in Esolang wiki relating to some Japanese book. However, it mentions "Starry" and "Bolic", which are red links. < 1388924503 990584 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplication? the 6502 doesn't even have proper shift instructions. < 1388924547 520095 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The 6502 can shift one at a time, although there isn't any arithmetic right shift. < 1388924610 190242 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: exactly < 1388924626 870939 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-61.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1388924673 492821 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-61.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1388924673 693101 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1388924719 870607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can fake it, though, for example CMP #$80 ROR A (I think) < 1388924742 880255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiplication is quite a lot to ask. Z80 doesn't have it either. < 1388924746 160524 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: something like that, yes < 1388924780 350439 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, even 386 didn't have a fast multiplication < 1388924791 350130 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did have a multiplication instruction but it took ages < 1388924820 650309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was only later, near the pentiums, when they added a multiplication circuit so we can now perform multiplication fast < 1388925403 912390 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-142.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1388925407 812231 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388925431 291741 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-142.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1388925431 492058 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1388925432 911187 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1388925950 120283 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also looking at that Japanese stuff, it reveals another esolang, called "Smile", which also isn't in the wiki. https://github.com/yhara/smile The implementation appears to be incomplete. < 1388926078 10639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't a "semicolon" just be a single dot, anyway? < 1388926151 290251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Finnish name translates literally to "half-dot", incidentally, which is equally illogical.) < 1388926343 470019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think "semicolon" and "half-dot" names are due to their function rather than writing. < 1388926620 341568 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1388926641 957564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Japanese stuff, in addition to Bolic, Starry, and Smile, also mentions HSQ9+ which is HQ9+ with the "S" command to display the steam locomotive (like the "sl" command in some UNIX systems), and Uncontrollable, a brainfuck equivalent using words that mean control structures in Ruby and other programming languages. < 1388926653 61073 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:91fe:a833:1d36:651d QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388926726 271268 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:91fe:a833:1d36:651d JOIN :#esoteric < 1388926730 650015 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if we will have ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789+~ eventually < 1388926767 2784 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 will print "88 bottles of beers" < 1388926792 170238 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not, 8 is clearly conways game of life < 1388927581 601982 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:91fe:a833:1d36:651d QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1388927588 660000 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mauke.hopto.org/stuff/perl/hq9+.pl - good old usenet signature < 1388927969 221456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1388928106 500143 :gully_foil_Ja!~theghost2@63.142.161.6 QUIT :Quit: has left chat < 1388928412 30859 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388928682 356432 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388928689 703183 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388929409 80048 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I wonder if there are any other published books about esolangs? < 1388929546 990716 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388930359 550232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I don't know, but I have read a magazine article once about it (I forget which). < 1388930674 710917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : There is article in Esolang wiki relating to some Japanese book. However, it mentions "Starry" and "Bolic", which are red links. <-- yeah we are clearly missing some japanese stuff. the only reason we have KEMURI is that i used google translate on wikipedia's japanese esolang page once. < 1388931087 660337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck has probably been mentioned in MEDIA many times. < 1388931112 881073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall some kind of a mention in some Finnish computer magazine. < 1388931382 750916 :AwfulProgrammer_!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nzocljueoqntcmma NICK :AwfulProgrammer < 1388931578 770254 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll look into Starry < 1388931660 280238 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there's a ruby implementation on yhara's book's site < 1388931806 70052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Japanese stuff I have added myself too though < 1388931826 450423 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am once more not in Hexham < 1388931864 710207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I didn't use Google translation; I can read a little bit Japanese, and some may have partial English documentation, and can see the C or Ruby implementations) < 1388932513 990560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I guess you still carry an intangible bit of Hexham with you, in your heart? < 1388932551 900482 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1388932555 840610 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I stole the abbey < 1388932578 211628 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can take the Taneb out of Hexham but you can't take the Hexham out of Taneb < 1388932598 886533 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting a collection of old churches < 1388932630 730105 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The oldest church I've been in would either be Hexham Abbey, York Minster, or the Colosseum < 1388932654 71892 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the Pantheon < 1388933230 20076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Panteon, that's the one with the hole in the dome? < 1388933254 270075 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye < 1388933330 970417 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham Abbey is the only one that started out Christian and stayed Christian < 1388933368 920265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the York one started as? < 1388933380 10355 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roman, I think < 1388933386 800794 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it had a bit when it was Norse < 1388934565 71110 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388935079 591202 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Starry there < 1388935908 860157 :Chillectual!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388936089 969558 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lyrics.in.th/17527 http://youtu.be/ArvmQBEkzWw < 1388936098 410293 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1388937721 69694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i grammar < 1388938010 579727 :Chillectual!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1388938133 480372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388938141 280188 :Chillectual!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388938488 369276 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388938953 458976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1388940363 370900 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does endoh3's hint make such a big deal about "what is 89/84?????" it being a number that's being multiplied by and it being a program to output sounds based on note names, it's obviously a "good enough" approximation of the 12th root of 2. < 1388940549 19915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see a "big deal" about it. < 1388940581 430783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there's a single bullet point about it. < 1388940601 580114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With a single question mark.) < 1388940626 260836 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :scale=10; (89/84)^12=2.0013758126 < 1388940628 600110 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty good < 1388940658 838197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hint file mentions a thing that's useful for finding rational approximations, too. < 1388940660 241480 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i thought i'd seen it in there twice, but it turns out i had seen it in the spoiler (because i still haven't unrot13'd it) and considered that the second time < 1388940663 740021 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :scale=10; ((89/84)^12 - 2)/2 * 100 < 1388940700 709959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of spoiled in the spoiler, but that's presumably why it's called a spoiler. < 1388940719 429924 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's off by only 0.06879% < 1388940726 970085 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rot13 isn't good for hiding numerical spoilers < 1388940732 799967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the cbj(2, 1.0 / 12.0) part isn't terribly well-protec... right, that. < 1388940737 820180 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :When brought back, anyway < 1388940788 750225 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it's off by less than that < 1388940803 380250 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i still don't know what a stern-brocot tree is. should i look it up < 1388940810 970702 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.00573% off < 1388940822 700042 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a very good approximation of 2^(1/12) < 1388940827 910073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Spoiler: it's something that can be useful for locating approximations. < 1388940873 960071 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i figured as much. but is it interesting enough to spend minutes on? could i use it to prove that phi is the most irrational number? < 1388940881 652164 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are we talking about anyway? < 1388940882 70229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a binary tree that has every (positive) rational number in it, which is maybe funky? < 1388940891 581060 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1388940892 420341 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: What does most irrational mean? < 1388940940 771465 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (196/185)^12 < 1388940942 20244 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.999917660227735 < 1388940972 150133 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (89/84)^12 < 1388940973 190386 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.0013758132105313 < 1388940987 690126 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: something like "for any large enough given length denominator, the best approximation of phi with denominators of that length will be worse than the best approximations of any other irrational number" < 1388941029 430277 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That sounds like a very difficult and significant thing to prove < 1388941047 520109 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i certainly haven't learned how yet < 1388941050 880453 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's think of some irrational numbers < 1388941058 71221 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any square root of a prime < 1388941063 630320 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fixed point of cos < 1388941073 590534 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :e, pi and phi < 1388941097 671424 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder if the non-zero fixed points of tan are irrational < 1388941108 110482 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: they are < 1388941125 410001 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: also, the entire sequence of golden sections and silver sections < 1388941148 1282 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most multiples of irrational numbers are irrational < 1388941169 969872 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the multiples < 1388941186 620046 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, just enumerating more irrationals < 1388941261 350237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All transcendental numbers are irrational, I believe. < 1388941270 381254 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is true < 1388941273 590299 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rational approximations are intimately related to continued fractions, and 1/(1+1/(1+1/(1+ ... ))) = phi has a tail of 1s which is about the worst that can happen. (Cutting the continued fraction off just before a large number typically results in good approximations.) < 1388941294 90040 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even harder to prove something is transcendental though < 1388941333 540719 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: You can convert many continued fractions into recursive relations and solve them < 1388941350 480345 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there, you'd get 1/(1+phi) = phi < 1388941373 122107 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Yes. But that's besides the point, since phi itself is not rational. < 1388941373 322952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given #esoteric, I guess it's mandatory to also mention Chaitin's constant. < 1388941373 541547 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that right < 1388941417 920846 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: We can't even give an approximation for that < 1388941420 350300 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you truncate the continued fraction you get rational approximations of phi: 0/1, 1/1, 1/2, 2/3, 3/5, 5/8, 8/13, 13/21, etc. < 1388941448 170762 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Isn't that 1/phi? < 1388941456 170122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: You can always give an approximation, it just might not be any good. < 1388941457 950204 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: right. < 1388941491 700295 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: the solution to your recurrence relation (as a sequence) is F_{n+1}/F_n < 1388941500 970855 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: We can't even tell how good an approximation is though < 1388941507 241226 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode DARK BLACK HEART < 1388941512 475998 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1388941518 320290 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1388941533 67670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Well, 1/2 is not more than 1/2 away. < 1388941547 319915 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Levy's constant :D < 1388941570 930059 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: But 1+1/(1+1/(1+1/(1+ ... ))) is almost the same. 1/1, 2/1, 3/2, 5/3, 8/5, 13/8 etc. < 1388941585 490080 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's list definable numbers with nonfinite descriptions < 1388941590 650246 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :13/8 is a nice time signature. < 1388941632 81368 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: i know a rock song in 13/8, that wasn't broken in the way that led zeppelin's drummer broke nice time signatures < 1388941632 281701 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/(1+phi) = phi 1 = (1+phi)phi 1 = phi + phi^2 phi^2 + phi + 1 = 0 (phi + 1/2)^2 - 1/4 + 1 = 0 (phi + 1/2)^2 = -3/4 phi + 1/2 = sqrt(-3/4) I did something wrong < 1388941643 750213 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :phi + 1/2 doesn't have a complex part ): < 1388941662 900424 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 = phi + phi^2 phi^2 + phi + 1 = 0 < 1388941668 309986 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean -1 < 1388941670 530258 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right < 1388941680 80478 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that solves the minus problem < 1388941726 140666 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :phi^2 + phi - 1 = 0 (phi + 1/2)^2 - 1/4 - 1 = 0 phi + 1/2 = sqrt(5)/2 phi = (sqrt(5) + 1)/2 < 1388941729 380281 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1388941736 591101 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi = 3 + 1/(7+1/(15+(1/(1+1/(292+...)))) gives the great approximation 355/113 of pi. (Off by about 1/3748629) < 1388941746 490233 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was worried I might get 1/phi instead by accident < 1388941747 700586 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you know any definable numbers with (only) infinite descriptions? < 1388941755 430685 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :where 355/113 = 3+1/(7+1/(15+1/1)) < 1388941783 610248 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: didn't the ancient chinese know that approximation? < 1388941970 930172 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if they did. < 1388942162 723 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The easiest way to approximate pi is to draw a circle and measure it < 1388942243 960714 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume the other silver sections are the ones with continued fractions [2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,...] and [3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,...] etc. < 1388942293 410991 :Chillectual!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com NICK :LinearInterpol < 1388942310 930571 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I know what I did < 1388942313 311540 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 1+sqrt(2) < 1388942315 550347 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is one < 1388942320 90124 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did the square root without putting in ± < 1388942321 213478 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first one) < 1388942376 441533 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsu_Chung-Chih < 1388942396 981712 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He obtained the result by approximating a circle with a 12,288 (= 2^12 × 3) sided polygon" < 1388942400 561848 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: making a circle and measuring it seems a lot more difficult than writing a program that generates a sequence that converges to pi, and kill the program when it gets close enough < 1388943029 920230 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Try doing that when you find yourself stuck 3000 years in the past < 1388943033 750369 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does unicode contain rod numerals? < 1388943116 971441 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :𝍠𝍡𝍢𝍣𝍤𝍥𝍦𝍧𝍨𝍩𝍪𝍫𝍬𝍭𝍮𝍯𝍰𝍱 These? < 1388943121 43244 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you said easiest. you didn't say easiest on pen and paper. nonetheless, i could do so, and it would still probably get good approximations faster than making and measuring a circle < 1388943133 510412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: those aren't in my font < 1388943181 900173 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I never mentioned pen and paper < 1388943207 610338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning < 1388943211 880230 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i'm pretty sure i just said you didn't say that :P < 1388943212 300185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: good morning < 1388943212 500736 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hmm... my fnord bad enough already. :) at least fnord.) < 1388943232 921187 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can do as well with brush and paper, or counting rods, as with pen and paper < 1388943233 850904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: a bad fnord?!?? < 1388943234 131069 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: every time you accidentally put it only. we do have a wristwatch which runs scheme, now that we have a good point :) < 1388943235 907912 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know the mathematics to calculate pi that easily.. < 1388943252 911308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: does your wristwatch support time travel via continuations? < 1388943253 111630 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and it is maybe not so much big iron as lots of little pieces of information... < 1388943256 980159 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i do < 1388943269 370805 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I was thinking chalk and long rope < 1388943313 90596 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: keep the rope. i'll do the calculation by hand with the chalk :D < 1388945100 960803 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode arabic digit nine < 1388945102 621298 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1388945166 700069 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode arabic-indic digit nine < 1388945168 100477 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​٩ < 1388945186 10104 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ৭٩ < 1388945187 410376 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+09ED BENGALI DIGIT SEVEN] [U+0669 ARABIC-INDIC DIGIT NINE] < 1388945229 650022 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1388946017 101018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other is clearly larger, at least in my rendering here. < 1388946261 883387 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here too < 1388946272 301556 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it is written down... < 1388946292 230494 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other one is somewhat larger for me < 1388946510 901259 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The left one is a litle bit more fat than the right one < 1388946519 880314 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my rendering here. < 1388946622 560657 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They look like they come from different fonts here. < 1388946927 740422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Konvoersation'se capabilit or weird y ypos: apparently if it's laggin enough legters can atpear out p order < 1388947003 500740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(left over from te previoush line: "of") < 1388947180 810405 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :say more things! < 1388947197 60045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let ine type somemhing really fast aid just prens return as see what ndappens < 1388947224 160066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the tin" at th" e start osthat line f appear to ave behn from anoeher chanelt) < 1388947251 673646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ort of UIscan end up reading ke s out of oyder? < 1388947255 141080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like a p. serious bug < 1388947268 119848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reah < 1388947279 80121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometiys it takesmelike 20 s onds befoece the lettrrs appear < 1388947297 920579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even thoughemost of th others have already eeen sentb < 1388947332 250529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that'stupid < 1388947342 410233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ths newline fe om the endro the prev us messagio sent a meesage for ms in anotherechannel < 1388947345 521037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :l ke 40 secoids later < 1388947357 490062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n,,,, < 1388947357 771720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :best bug ever < 1388947374 470127 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1388947392 910111 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1388947402 260854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itsorse becauw I can't setype becau my hand ses damaged < 1388947411 712601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ind I can'a sensibltfix the ry sulting tyes < 1388947550 419882 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Maybe you should use a different client < 1388947584 310565 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is very very difficult to read < 1388948063 101646 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388948350 940850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is like an automatic modern poetry mode. < 1388948515 559829 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought megahal was the height of that < 1388948535 229540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION experiments with writing their comments in a text editor, then copy-pasting < 1388948549 64331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, that seems to work quite well < 1388948620 219490 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I still think you should switch clients < 1388948643 399450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :II'm not nomally in archannel wi h 1000+ utrs < 1388948705 269513 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... "Oh well, if you prefer, I can recognize handwriting," said the imp proudly. "I'm quite advanced." Vimes pulled out his notebook and held it up. "Like this?" he said. The imp squinted for a moment. "Yep," it said. "That's handwriting, sure enough. Curly bits, spiky bits, all joined together. Yep. Handwriting. I'd recognize it anywhere." "Aren't you supposed to tell me what it say?" The demon looked wary. "Says?" it... < 1388948711 329318 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...said. "It's supposed to make noises?" < 1388948934 479603 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It must be one of those super-efficient multithreaded applications. < 1388949133 839337 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey it might even be a security feature. After all, you're not supposed to trust user input. So you better process each character in its own sandbox! < 1388949219 857533 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388949293 449749 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-235.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388949719 538952 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388950131 802503 :iamcal_!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-buvytfcwlmooppyx JOIN :#esoteric < 1388950180 769467 :nortti_!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1388950212 203597 :iamcal!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-czkqufoitxhmjdmk QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388950212 613209 :iamcal_!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-buvytfcwlmooppyx NICK :iamcal < 1388950213 939158 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1388950265 849016 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388950266 162859 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388950359 228901 :nortti_!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1388950601 378979 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388950795 78525 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1388951008 969021 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"static int running = 1;" real useful code < 1388951029 598536 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it does actually set running to 0 on interrupt < 1388951042 468549 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind < 1388951393 104486 :myndzi\!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388951403 408864 :nortti_!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1388951450 529775 :myndzi\!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388951456 629139 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1388951479 179177 :nortti_!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1388951484 279442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other day I learned about sigatomic_t < 1388951493 240000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what you're supposed to use for such variables, when they would be updated from a signal handler < 1388951508 994846 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many integer types does standard C+POSIX have? "a lot" < 1388951595 82228 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388951609 15774 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388951609 215934 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388951609 216084 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388951609 416287 :CADD!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ukxbjokcwwtzhwco QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388951609 416488 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iohrvcytpvlwlzvm QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388951618 387238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 10, all the others are aliases for one of those 10 < 1388951618 700475 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388951641 702907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant including aliases, since what the aliases resolve to is platform-dependent < 1388951741 19937 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hmdugglldqatqplz JOIN :#esoteric < 1388951782 218461 :gully_foil_Ja!~theghost2@63.142.161.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388951815 485726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why would all the other types need to be aliases of standard integer types? < 1388951839 190464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think they are by definition, not sure though < 1388951844 379235 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hmdugglldqatqplz NICK :upgrayeddd_ < 1388951845 344379 :upgrayeddd_!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hmdugglldqatqplz QUIT :Excess Flood < 1388951856 478975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :C allows for an unlimited amount of extended signed integer types, and I don't think most named integer types are restricted to be one of the standard ones. < 1388951866 464376 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388951913 68636 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vyvhsnhnddsfiqxv JOIN :#esoteric < 1388951943 422650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the types are at least only required to denote "a -- integer type" with no further qualifications. < 1388951966 299574 :impomatic!~digital_w@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388952057 38932 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388952088 499048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In any case, "a lot" sounds like a proper answer for the original including-aliases question, since how many distinct underlying types there are is obviously implementation-defined.) < 1388952104 428346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random fact: POSIX makes time_t an integer type. < 1388952123 429749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C11 allows any real type, and C99 allows any arithmetic type, including complex types.) < 1388952133 858490 :JZTech102!~JZTech101@5.231.53.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388952136 897313 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:jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388954208 748886 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388954209 175636 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388954209 376022 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388954209 809478 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388954211 884066 :scarf!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388954212 84301 :scarf!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1388954212 84428 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388954214 290134 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1388954315 953545 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388954316 153877 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388954316 153999 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388954316 154111 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388954316 154181 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1388955309 776529 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awww. I didn't get a botnet for christmas. < 1388955464 770054 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted one. < 1388955471 719517 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it got shipped to the wrong place. < 1388955503 149435 :Mindless1!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-37-49-6-33.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: Mindless1 < 1388956035 437712 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388956755 233651 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made an arch image with unetbootin, put it on a stick, booted from. get dmesg whining about not being able to deal with the stick, and i get dumped to a shell excet oh wait no job control and no tty so i have to hard boot, fuuuuuck computers < 1388956766 425700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you package up a botnet under a christmas tree, anyway? < 1388956896 642054 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1388957550 220668 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you get the C&C server name and credentials on a card, I suppose < 1388957700 228640 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :complex time_t < 1388957701 908969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1388957733 243611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :time is a float; lunchtime doubly so < 1388957812 733816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy justification for a complex time_t: it discourages people from assuming unportable things about the ordering of the values; something they might do if it was a real type. < 1388957857 40885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a type error to use ordering operators on complex types? < 1388957887 578422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a constraint violation, yes. < 1388957913 578669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One of the following shall hold: - both operands have real type; or - both operands are pointers to qualified or unqualified versions of compatible object types." < 1388957928 68368 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear having multiple time(like) dimensions makes physics boring, unless you have one spacelike and three timelike in which case it's just like this < 1388958560 928652 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, huh, I have installed arch from an usb stick before I *think*. Yeah pretty sure. < 1388958578 288372 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't remember if I used unetbootin though, was ages ago < 1388958611 468456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most distros these days provide an image you can dd onto your USB stick < 1388958619 408593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them even manage for it to be the same file as the .iso, through hax < 1388958653 30385 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's what i did. < 1388958674 444489 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should mean i don't hve to care about partition tables or anything, shouldn't it? < 1388958679 763236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1388958692 140015 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make sure you dd it to /dev/sdb not /dev/sdb1 if that's what the instructions sya < 1388958745 78186 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the instructions say that specifically. but then parted tells me the partition table is fucked up so i thought that might be related. < 1388958793 478203 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it doesn't need to have a partition table < 1388959026 56428 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not, since i get usb errors either way < 1388959077 263304 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought maybe i connected the internal cables wrong but i can read from the usb stick (with a filesystem, not after dd) from an old hard disk plugged in the same puter < 1388959143 88533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+5, use of the word "puter" < 1388959164 879468 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what it's doing. it's puting < 1388959182 358187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NIKON: What, your mom buy you a 'puter for Christmas? < 1388959192 198706 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HACK THE PLANET. < 1388959215 28033 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com NICK :ZeroCool < 1388959221 501494 :ZeroCool!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :baahahaha, this name is taken. < 1388959241 469137 :ZeroCool!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com NICK :LinearInterpol < 1388959318 328822 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/mnxmnkmnd/status/419951311396667392/photo/1/large i can't even tell what's doing an error -32, it isn't libusb < 1388959479 928410 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42892.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388959512 212048 :impomatic!~digital_w@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388959844 995491 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1388960221 259236 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388960287 272338 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Client Quit < 1388960664 782904 :_46bit!sid10106@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wvvscwxqlofzeyxr JOIN :#esoteric < 1388960680 605728 :_46bit!sid10106@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wvvscwxqlofzeyxr QUIT :Changing host < 1388960680 807259 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz JOIN :#esoteric < 1388960931 408413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388961548 38952 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1388961698 238465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1388962002 538289 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1388962054 418156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388962292 618908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cfrac x | isInfinite x = [] | otherwise = f : cfrac (1/(x - fromIntegral f)) where f = floor x in cfrac (2**(1/12)) < 1388962293 878539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,16,1,4,2,7,1,1,2,2,7,4,1,2,1,59,1,3,2,1,17,1,13,1,1,1,2,1,1,4,2,6,2,81,17... < 1388962400 941532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1+1/(16+1/(1+1%4)) < 1388962401 998804 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 89 % 84 < 1388962406 508143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so < 1388962458 363027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia 89/84 is not just a good enough approximation of 2**(1/12), but a continued fraction cutoff. < 1388962458 563359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1388962480 998531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1+1/(16+1/(1+1/(4+1/2))) < 1388962482 118321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0594594594594595 < 1388962487 118658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so restarting my client fixed it < 1388962488 98008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1+1/(16+1/(1+1/(4+1/2)))::Rational < 1388962488 978364 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 196 % 185 < 1388962543 508577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The hint file explicitly mentions that "I found this approximation by using Stern-Brocot tree", for the record. < 1388962557 839147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that would do it. < 1388962654 588288 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388963013 608510 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate cos 0 < 1388963014 588658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0.0,1.0,0.5403023058681398,0.8575532158463934,0.6542897904977791,0.79348035... < 1388963018 399997 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate cos 0 !! 10000 < 1388963019 478891 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.7390851332151607 < 1388963022 379682 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this number < 1388963030 758553 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how well it approximates < 1388963155 978594 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.739085133215160641655312087673873404013 < 1388963166 830592 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty well < 1388963189 238982 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I mean, in the continued fraction kind of way < 1388963195 448368 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what the continued fraction for it would be < 1388963302 468749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cfrac x | isInfinite x = [] | otherwise = f : cfrac (1/(x - fromIntegral f)) where f = floor x in cfrac 0.739085133215160641655312087673873404013 < 1388963303 648767 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,2,1,4,1,40,1,9,4,2,1,15,2,12,1,10,1,2,13,1,2,1,4,6,1,2,1,20,3,1,1,2,1,2... < 1388963367 118473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cfrac x | isInfinite x = [] | otherwise = f : cfrac (1/(x - fromIntegral f)) where f = floor x in cfrac (0.739085133215160641655312087673873404013 :: CReal) < 1388963370 518473 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what kind of pattern that is < 1388963370 864784 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1388963374 18188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cfrac x | isInfinite x = [] | otherwise = f : cfrac (1/(x - fromIntegral f)) where f = floor x in cfrac (0.739085133215160641655312087673873404013 :: CReal) < 1388963377 688481 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1388963380 282889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cfrac x | isInfinite x = [] | otherwise = f : cfrac (1/(x - fromIntegral f)) where f = floor x in cfrac (0.739085133215160641655312087673873404013 :: Float) < 1388963381 335419 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,2,1,4,1,40,1,8,5,2,3,19,2,10,1,1,3,3,4,1,1,21,1,6,2,2,1,5,32,4,15,2,3,1... < 1388963402 922401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: quite likely there is no pattern. < 1388963437 48640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cfrac x | isInfinite x = [] | otherwise = f : cfrac (1/(x - fromIntegral f)) where f = floor x in cfrac (exp 1) < 1388963438 109529 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,1,2,1,1,4,1,1,6,1,1,8,1,1,10,1,1,12,1,1,11,3,2,1,3,1,73,6,1,1,1,1,1,2,31,... < 1388963438 309733 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks random to me < 1388963453 258047 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the fixed point of cos one < 1388963511 229574 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like a pattern until the 11,3,2 part < 1388963542 858218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. that's because of floating point error, e actually has a regular pattern. < 1388963547 568316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cfrac x | isInfinite x = [] | otherwise = f : cfrac (1/(x - fromIntegral f)) where f = floor x in cfrac (exp 2) < 1388963548 688669 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [7,2,1,1,3,18,5,1,1,6,30,8,1,1,12,1,1,24,1,1,1,19,92,3,3,1,1,1,1,1,5,4,3,1,1... < 1388963566 467998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm hard to tell there < 1388963571 301096 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1388963579 270261 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 1,1 is an occuring pattern though < 1388963594 419861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it does look like there's something 1,1,3*2^n going on < 1388963631 818516 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it goes 1 1 1 19 < 1388963639 828230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with strangely random intermediate steps. < 1388963662 348988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the 19 is probably after floating point errors start to hurt < 1388963681 418357 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram alpha gives an accurate continued fraction for the cos fixed point < 1388963700 408078 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the pattern is though < 1388963700 608095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cfrac x | isInfinite x = [] | otherwise = f : cfrac (1/(x - fromIntegral f)) where f = floor x in take 50 $ cfrac (exp 2 :: CReal) < 1388963704 169036 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1388963711 668424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cfrac x | isInfinite x = [] | otherwise = f : cfrac (1/(x - fromIntegral f)) where f = floor x in take 30 $ cfrac (exp 2 :: CReal) < 1388963713 268323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [7,2,1,1,3,18,5,1,1,6,30,8,1,1,9,42,11,1,1,12,54,14,1,1,15,66,17,1,1,18] < 1388963725 818394 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get mostly small numbers with large numbers interspersed < 1388963728 169658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1388963741 448373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems the 12 was a fluke < 1388963768 408083 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1388963777 388320 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually a 9 < 1388963778 998394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's more regular than it looked at first < 1388963787 387068 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-235.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1388963799 950849 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :3,6,9,12,15... < 1388963828 558229 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's pretty regular < 1388963833 629148 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you see patterns with multiples of 3 < 1388963836 668536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the intermediate numbers still look a little random < 1388963884 428548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait 18,30,42 increase by 12 each step < 1388963885 828514 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-141.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388963911 38771 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5,6,8,9,12,14,15,18 < 1388963911 239083 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :7,2, then 1,1,3n,6+12n,2+3n repeating < 1388963911 239253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 5,8,11 by 3. so it's entirely regular. < 1388963923 48645 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No shut up Taneb < 1388964064 148821 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let esquared = 7:2:concatMap (\n -> [1,1,3*n,6+12*n,2+3*n])[1..] in esquared < 1388964065 173659 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [7,2,1,1,3,18,5,1,1,6,30,8,1,1,9,42,11,1,1,12,54,14,1,1,15,66,17,1,1,18,78,2... < 1388964082 668405 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Identical < 1388964128 858857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (\x y -> x + 1/y) [1..50] < 1388964130 58341 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable t0) < 1388964130 258675 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M187550738534485867012888.show_M1875507385344858670... < 1388964130 258830 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable `t0' is ambiguous < 1388964130 258929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: add a type signature that fixes these type variable(s) < 1388964130 259022 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1388964137 828590 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooooooooooooo < 1388964141 124849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr1 (\x y -> x + 1/y) [1..50] < 1388964142 415788 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.4331274267223117 < 1388964222 488313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this kind of step linear sequence is related to e in general, then so should this number. < 1388964292 628856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr1 (\x y -> x + 1/y) [1..100] < 1388964293 678820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.4331274267223117 < 1388964342 855362 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1388964345 345806 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp 1 / 2 < 1388964346 407027 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.3591409142295225 < 1388964353 204281 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp 0.5 < 1388964354 248624 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.6487212707001282 < 1388964356 508378 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1388964363 158589 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp 1 < 1388964363 359425 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worth a shot :) < 1388964364 228532 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.718281828459045 < 1388964372 98968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :inverse symbolic calculator says it might be BesI(0,2)/BesI(1,2) < 1388964377 170413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look very e'y < 1388964379 448500 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's BesI? < 1388964389 988914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something bessier i suspect < 1388964407 129423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to use maple functions < 1388964407 409088 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it wasn't raining I'd go for a wander < 1388964649 538587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's bessel. wikipedia mentions it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continued_fraction#Regular_patterns_in_continued_fractions < 1388964652 988687 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow, it's really tipping it down < 1388964702 368987 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, wait < 1388964711 448902 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it true that cos(pi/5) = phi/2? < 1388964731 438335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: hm something like that, yes. < 1388964733 648354 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2*cos(pi/5) < 1388964734 744358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.618033988749895 < 1388964741 918419 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat. < 1388964756 868789 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (sqrt 5 + 1)/2 < 1388964757 888620 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.618033988749895 < 1388964769 358347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall that the golden section is involved in constructing regular pentagons. < 1388964785 384270 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan i'm still here in channel. hi lambdabot. < 1388964808 468477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oh right you were complaining. i also said i might not remember it. < 1388964863 229189 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is freenode still being ddosed? < 1388964950 159045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: in fact i recall there's a very nice visual proof that the golden ratio is irrational based on inscribing pentagons in each other. even simpler than for sqrt(2). < 1388964971 218636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly five-pointed stars. < 1388965139 197317 :atrapado!~dro@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1388965605 841389 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-141.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1388965728 298858 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388965840 579013 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1388966659 99582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ৭٩ < 1388966660 191175 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: lexical error at character '\2541' < 1388966676 869971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: you disappoint me. < 1388966757 988524 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print int("৭٩")' < 1388966760 178982 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "", line 1, in \ ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '\xe0\xa7\xad\xd9\xa9' < 1388966788 398939 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print int("৭٩".decode("utf-8"))' < 1388966789 869403 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :79 < 1388966842 188763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print ৭٩' < 1388966843 838583 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ File "", line 1 \ print ৭٩ \ ^ \ SyntaxError: invalid syntax < 1388966873 288822 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "৭٩" :: Int < 1388966874 273596 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.read: no parse < 1388966964 658959 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit its my birthday < 1388966983 648357 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, happy getting older day < 1388966996 870400 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which getting older day is it? < 1388966997 838764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1388967006 48323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :19 < 1388967013 890762 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1388967025 998646 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not get you anything, I'm sorry < 1388967030 788570 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon i will be older than you < 1388967037 99290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that knowledge alone is enough < 1388967085 188554 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am afraid I have engineered events such that I am always approximately 64 days older than you < 1388967111 558888 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :bastard! < 1388967138 848792 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a dastardly scheme tracing back to approximately 19 years ago < 1388967145 130456 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait if i kill you you technically stop getting older don't you < 1388967151 898932 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... am not sure < 1388967160 68550 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But do you really think you can kill me? < 1388967163 764156 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahahahahaha! < 1388967168 72966 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can turn into an elf! < 1388967187 689259 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb you know how i feel about elves < 1388967203 869488 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only way you could make it easier still for me to kill you is if you also turned into a swede < 1388967221 749654 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever successfully killed an elf, though? < 1388967239 138403 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not talking about one of those pixies you get down the bottom of your garden, either. < 1388967277 48344 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: but swedes are not elves, and as a swede it would be trivial to kill you < 1388967292 249419 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I'm also an Australian < 1388967301 158711 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a Swede kill an Australian!? < 1388967309 289323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't be if you turned into a swedish elf < 1388967318 449075 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: australia = austria = switzerland = sweden < 1388967325 638596 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foiled again! < 1388967328 138815 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dies < 1388967447 168638 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, on the bright side, you're older than elliott < 1388967469 89317 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means he'll try to kill me! < 1388967477 328495 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: who isn't? < 1388967488 615281 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hmmmmmm < 1388967510 778588 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie wasn't was he < 1388967520 549091 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, I guess < 1388967520 749265 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: and write as fnord as i'd like. but quality for sure. :) i just remembered < 1388967526 618083 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've been here quite some time though, I guess elliott might now be older than he used to be < 1388967536 498513 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :by extension nooodl probably was/isn't either? i forget though < 1388967541 289223 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you older? < 1388967541 648746 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but there is naturally limit soon ( although not strictly conformant) c. this is only valid in one store, which is a problem < 1388967668 839442 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388967716 429782 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388968083 869632 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, seriously, though, happy birthday < 1388968114 658136 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my first day back at uni HOW CAN THIS DAY BE HAPPY < 1388968149 8363 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you can run around the streets of Coventry screaming to the heavens about the oncoming angels < 1388968178 919073 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you by any chance know anyone by the name of Mr Green? < 1388968185 658247 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would i ruin my birthday by going into coventry < 1388968209 329362 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God knows < 1388968212 978537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went there last term for a social, we got lost and some youths on skateboards started circling in for the kill < 1388968233 783518 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Freshers' something similar happened to me, except they were jugglers < 1388968259 758354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's when they're mimes you need to really be afraid. < 1388968260 178787 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jugglers can be terrifying < 1388968316 455382 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a generic god help me i'm doomed linux help channel or something < 1388968330 608465 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric, probably < 1388968337 428725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"##Linux"? < 1388968353 184459 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaah < 1388968361 198323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1241 users, I'm sure you'll get very personal attention. < 1388968389 778975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The purpose of ##Linux is to provide a fun and friendly medium for new and hardcore Linux users alike seeking help, advice and constructive discussion on Linux-related topics. The channel is for ALL levels of user experience, including none." < 1388968406 279382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Do you self-identify as a "hardcore Linux user"?) < 1388968406 479841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very zen. < 1388968427 818449 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really exciting being dumped to some absurd initramfs 'emergency shell' and being gold i might want to save whate ever the fuck to a usb and then it doesn't let me use the keyboard and god < 1388968449 508668 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting fucking usb power errors it's ridiculous < 1388968495 218374 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried turning it off and on again < 1388968509 338435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well i won't help you as my recent logreading has uncovered evidence that you may be a tzetze fly posing as a bike. < 1388968521 438539 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that so < 1388968555 114646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also because i have no clue how to fix linux.) < 1388968613 758705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1388968643 848273 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly don't know as much about Linux as a kernel hacker or sysadmin would < 1388968644 48794 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, good sysadmin < 1388969034 112500 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a kernel hacker wouldn't necessarily know much about what goes on in the rest of the system < 1388969049 770640 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that's a userspace problem" < 1388969165 628963 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed the APIs used within the kernel are often a lot cleaner than the APIs by which userspace talks to the kernel < 1388969182 738505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there is no stability requirement on the former and a near-absolute stability requirement on the latter < 1388969359 728446 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think windows had the right idea with putting all "kernel" APIs in userspace and making the real kernel api private (but I do wonder exactly how freely they can actually change that) < 1388969370 818559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1388969389 478553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do some pretty insane compatibility hacks within that "userspace" component < 1388969506 108707 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/01/05/3120451/wyoming-law-says-better-drive-high-possess-unsmoked-joint/ < 1388969876 198980 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh, is that what they do? < 1388969894 789784 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never understood windows programming and none of the resources I read spelled it out < 1388970121 349254 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the bottom there's a DLL exporting functions for all "syscalls" that does int X/sysenter/syscall with the appropriate syscall number (and those change wildly between windows versions) < 1388970156 229927 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but even that might technically not be part of the API you're allowed to rely on, not entirely sure) < 1388970195 436076 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a windows programming book for unix people? < 1388970255 299029 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388970376 269116 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: kernel32.dll actually is guaranteed solid API. < 1388970389 118884 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the name is a bit of a misnomer. < 1388970407 148823 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was kinda-sorta the kernel in 16-bit Windows. < 1388970431 949613 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's why it's called kernel32 amirite < 1388970459 9579 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All DLLs that were in 16-bit Windows made it to 32-bit Windows by just adding a "32" suffix. < 1388970465 388541 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :usb 5-1: device descriptor read/64, error -32. supposedly indicates automatic shutoff of usb device due to high power draw. but the usb devices work fine on another OS on the same computer. < 1388970477 238540 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, this kinda-sorta was the case on Windows 9x. < 1388970501 328790 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_API is more what I was thinking about, seems to be below kernel32.dll maybe < 1388970501 529011 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, like mario 64 < 1388970515 968811 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows is made up of dubious legacy decisions. < 1388970567 798572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer is made up of dubious legacy decisions < 1388970582 519258 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I A20 < 1388970584 898781 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is made up of dubious legacy decisions < 1388970587 858802 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though in the case of Windows it's decisions that were dubious at the time far too often. < 1388970603 888503 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lfimduodboseayeiin < 1388970638 88563 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what sort of monster would use UTF-16 in '93?!?) < 1388970653 539589 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :did UTF-16 exist then? < 1388970658 628703 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1388970669 398605 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, arguably UCS-2 is the proper name. < 1388970671 528771 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not UFT-64 < 1388970677 558656 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF* < 1388970684 48816 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-16 is from 1996 < 1388970694 108651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you believed the Unicode people when they said it would remain a 16-bit code, then using UCS-2 seems sensible < 1388970713 425983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that switch happened in 1996 yeah < 1388970753 300343 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that Windows at the time did crazy stuff to make 16-bit code build on Win32. But didn't seem to care about the idea of making Unicode-unaware code work in Unicode land. < 1388970763 308531 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And indeed still don't. < 1388970876 268951 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now Windows is a crazy land where you either do UTF-16 or do 8-bit legacy charsets. < 1388970975 98903 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://support.microsoft.com/kb/99884 < 1388970975 337864 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION honestly doesn't know why they don't let you just use UTF-8 for their char* APIs < 1388971041 888866 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, wikipedia seems to have quite a lot of articles about windows internals < 1388971046 718602 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all that relevant. UTF-16 was a bad decision at the time. < 1388971062 100431 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-16 didn't exist at the time < 1388971073 68576 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah. < 1388971078 848961 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-2 was a bad decision. < 1388971080 668860 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor did UTF-8, probably < 1388971086 429547 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 certainly did. < 1388971104 631215 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 was *new* to be sure, but hey. < 1388971121 218582 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan 9 was completely on UTF-8 in September '92. < 1388971174 918791 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :draft unicode standard: 1988; first unicode volume: 1991; windows nt release: 1993 < 1388971180 451603 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :utf-8 first officially presented: 1993 < 1388971197 79203 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also doesn't matter that much: UCS-2 was an awful decision even if there was no alternative way of encoding Unicode. < 1388971212 127838 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows has had enough opportunities to redesign that portion of the code and keep legacy APIs around only where necessary < 1388971212 328066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my theory is that they had to pretend it would stay a 16-bit code or nobody would adopt it at all < 1388971313 508572 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to learn about Windows internals < 1388971374 808724 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hmm, all text is in ASCII or a superset thereof. Let's use something completely incompatible! Oh, and then make it so that everyone has to rewrite all their code to work with it. Great!" < 1388971380 322231 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: nooooo you have so much to live for < 1388971396 405936 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but everyone else here knows Windows internals. It sounds fun < 1388971417 689073 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but they were getting ready for The Future! < 1388971469 208669 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This from a company that is yet to break DOS compatibility. < 1388971540 388933 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't knock DOS. it lets you use / as a directory separator! it's practically unix < 1388971911 249079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't it also use / for flags < 1388972154 649645 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.debian.net/74463/ woot woot. < 1388973337 978695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there's an option to have / as separator and - for flags < 1388973341 38708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's kind-of hidden < 1388973423 278955 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it actually work, or does it only work for programs that happen to use some DOS api for parsing the command line? < 1388973483 828885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: probably the latter < 1388973543 249904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc on DOS/Windows a program gets a single arg string and not an argv < 1388973556 468890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the job of the c stdlib to break it up for main() < 1388973587 19191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: on DOS, the first command argument is actually parsed out into a file control block for you < 1388973599 149514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people stopped using that feature after a while because it's too inflexible < 1388973638 799447 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought of something < 1388973650 278699 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :minimum ascending number partition < 1388973685 690075 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for example, 18249 could be partitioned into [18,249] < 1388973713 549521 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 31415926535 into [3,14,159,26,5,35]? < 1388973716 529651 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But [1,8,249] would be better < 1388973721 839509 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the sum is smaller < 1388973732 989204 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Nope < 1388973735 870177 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what? so they just assume the first arg will be a file? < 1388973737 66440 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get the point, [1,8,2,4,9] would be the best < 1388973738 879309 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :159 is larger than 26 < 1388973742 103662 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1388973745 458660 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to be ascending < 1388973750 89575 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1388973763 619477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: if it isn't, you don't use the FCB < 1388973766 169413 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can partition any part of the numeric string but the parts should be increasing, right? < 1388973769 548712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, really inflexible < 1388973773 440945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it doesn't work with directories < 1388973775 199633 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A worst case would be something like 987654321 < 1388973775 869154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drive and filename only < 1388973782 479719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people don't use it past, like, DOS 1 < 1388973838 738786 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would partition into [9,876,54321] I think < 1388973865 870037 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [9,87,654321] < 1388973867 27287 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 654417 < 1388973871 219938 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [9,876,54321] < 1388973872 398326 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 55206 < 1388973883 290251 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think [9,876,54321] is minimal < 1388973889 338483 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1388973948 960008 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that in unary, all partitionings are minimal < 1388973961 289045 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So binary is the first interesting case < 1388974006 369506 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't do this to complex numbers since those don't have a built-in ordering < 1388974423 518885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [98,765,4321] -- i disagree < 1388974424 469032 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5184 < 1388974450 558886 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought so* < 1388974457 941669 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1388974603 99383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now find one where minimizing the length of the final one is _not_ optimal. < 1388974653 368644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: should it be strictly ascending < 1388974669 414088 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Nice < 1388974694 628860 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there one? < 1388974719 734997 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know what's causing this error. < 1388974724 908569 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's reporting the error < 1388974733 278510 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try the first 7 digits of pi < 1388974734 209600 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi < 1388974735 288464 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.141592653589793 < 1388974744 509199 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :3141592 < 1388974757 889519 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1388974760 979789 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> e < 1388974761 935141 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : e < 1388974764 198960 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1388974769 988769 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp 1 < 1388974771 108528 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.718281828459045 < 1388974795 429052 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :271828182 make that 9 digits < 1388974810 825589 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you know a way to raise a continued fraction (given as a left-to-right digit generator) can be raised to a power (also a continued fraction in the same format)? < 1388974813 8975 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [27,182,8182] < 1388974813 930085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 14 15 92 looks plausible < 1388974814 288795 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8391 < 1388974817 78669 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :31, 41, 592 < 1388974845 298796 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, lost. < 1388974851 881045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles evilly < 1388974866 439324 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: integer power? < 1388974874 628527 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if we should stay as strictly ascending, or if we should make it strictly non-descending < 1388974917 638712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i don't even know if there's an efficient way to _add_ numbers. < 1388974934 659313 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i don't even know a way to do it with integer power except a crap ton of adding and multiplying using the binomial theorem, but i want to know about real powers too. < 1388974952 759548 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you'd exponentiate < 1388975007 628748 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Very tricky < 1388975022 574608 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: adding only inefficient if the bottom part of the fraction is the same < 1388975023 418534 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: presumably. < 1388975035 338525 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, only efficient < 1388975141 239215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [2,7,18,28,182] -- tip, there's never a point in keeping the first two digits together if they're ascending < 1388975142 448684 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 237 < 1388975163 849021 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this problem FreeFull posed seems almost as difficult as the one about free-form series for brainfuck constants < 1388975215 368944 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Good point < 1388975233 19092 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think extending that to multiple digits is the answer < 1388975234 648901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think any example that _doesn't_ fulfil my idea of making the length of the last one minimal must be pretty long. < 1388975251 38709 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Does it exist? < 1388975324 478844 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [98,765,4321] < 1388975325 657087 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5184 < 1388975343 939507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm. < 1388975355 924966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: something like 12121212121212199 < 1388975379 928743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [1,2,12,12,12,12,12,12,12,199] < 1388975380 959704 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 286 < 1388975412 110145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [1,21,21,21,21,21,21,21,21,99] < 1388975413 198846 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 268 < 1388975419 448770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops not quite < 1388975460 148789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [1,21,21,21,21,21,21,21,21,21,21,21,99] < 1388975461 248729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 331 < 1388975463 488993 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not strictly ascending anymore < 1388975467 569413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [1,21,21,21,21,21,21,21,21,21,21,21,99] < 1388975468 688898 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 331 < 1388975477 81503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [1,2,12,12,12,12,12,12,12,12,12,12,199] < 1388975478 219159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 322 < 1388975505 8968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i didn't hear a clear policy statement on that. < 1388975519 189706 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's make it strictly ascending, for now < 1388975538 549030 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is basically free? < 1388975561 319152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1388975563 650556 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is nasty < 1388975565 410028 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the only case where you could have a longer sequence followed by a shorter one < 1388975574 89005 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,042,99] < 1388975584 478777 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 10000000, you can't split the sequence at all. < 1388975589 148649 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the other way around < 1388975596 858557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have assumed you cannot have initial zeros. < 1388975598 518485 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yeah, there are unsplittable numbers < 1388975621 999023 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how the ratio of unsplittable to splittable changes < 1388975626 69971 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you go up < 1388975649 592987 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can split off the first digit for almost all numbers < 1388975660 999936 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :All one-digit numbers are unsplittable < 1388975684 788585 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two digit numbers are unsplittable if the first digit is larger or equal to the second < 1388975704 419289 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should we count 03 as a two-digit number? < 1388975758 299210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: splitting off the first digit isn't always optimal. < 1388975766 668650 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we do, that's 10 + 9 + 8 + 7 + 6 + 5 + 4 + 3 + 2 + 1 unsplittable two-digit numbers, I think < 1388975775 348788 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that splittable < 1388975785 269532 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [1..10] < 1388975786 398870 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 55 < 1388975807 349381 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm three quarters asleep < 1388975827 549510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right sleep < 1388975837 498719 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i don't like the strictly ascending rule. narrows the possibilities too much < 1388975853 998938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Gnith < 1388975931 711908 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: 45 splittable, 55 non-splittable, that includes numbers with leading zeros like 00. < 1388976024 989059 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three-digit numbers are trickier < 1388976035 208964 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.twitch.tv/speeddemosarchivesda < 1388976069 69183 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, for three digit numbers it might just depend on the first two digits anyway < 1388976080 378909 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: not really. 55 of those are non-splittable. < 1388976082 638880 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it doesn't < 1388976098 698944 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: because if the middle digit is non-zero then the number is splittable < 1388976099 398940 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, for 3-digit < 1388976108 718349 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: so do I < 1388976119 849898 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: 100 isn't splittable < 1388976131 999437 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has a zero center digit < 1388976146 502492 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I misread your sentence < 1388976160 496601 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you're right < 1388976172 759510 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure it's 55 though? < 1388976200 528643 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, 001 to 009 are splittable < 1388976222 899436 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :000 is splittable too < 1388976235 659341 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a(0)b is splittable if a < b. < 1388976241 599276 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same as with two digits. < 1388976291 109154 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you're right < 1388976297 29009 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about four digits? < 1388976310 958634 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :55 nonsplittable ones, again < 1388976325 849370 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :n000 is non-splittable, trivially < 1388976337 9222 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For any number of zeroes after the n < 1388976362 668656 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I guess there is a00b for any number of 0s < 1388976372 778757 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :more to the point, you can split abcd into a,bcd if bc>0 or if a let v = foldl' (\n r -> n*10+r) 0;m = minimumBy (comparing sum);b [] = [[[]]];b xs = let b' = b (tail xs) in [v n : m t' | (n,t) <- zip (tail (inits xs)) b', let t' = filter (\t -> null t || v n <= head t) t, not (null t')] : b'; f = m . head . b . map (fromIntegral . digitToInt) . show in f 987654321 < 1388977869 769172 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [98,765,4321] < 1388977888 220802 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let v = foldl' (\n r -> n*10+r) 0;m = minimumBy (comparing sum);b [] = [[[]]];b xs = let b' = b (tail xs) in [v n : m t' | (n,t) <- zip (tail (inits xs)) b', let t' = filter (\t -> null t || v n <= head t) t, not (null t')] : b'; f = m . head . b . map (fromIntegral . digitToInt) . show in f 9876543210 < 1388977889 239101 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [9,87,654,3210] < 1388977907 689626 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a brute force search? < 1388977936 440255 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let v = foldl' (\n r -> n*10+r) 0;m = minimumBy (comparing sum);b [] = [[[]]];b xs = let b' = b (tail xs) in [v n : m t' | (n,t) <- zip (tail (inits xs)) b', let t' = filter (\t -> null t || v n <= head t) t, not (null t')] : b'; f = m . head . b . map (fromIntegral . digitToInt) . show in f 1212121212121212199 < 1388977937 379076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,21,21,21,21,21,21,21,21,99] < 1388977941 759064 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1388977946 329472 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let v = foldl' (\n r -> n*10+r) 0;m = minimumBy (comparing sum);b [] = [[[]]];b xs = let b' = b (tail xs) in [v n : m t' | (n,t) <- zip (tail (inits xs)) b', let t' = filter (\t -> null t || v n < head t) t, not (null t')] : b'; f = m . head . b . map (fromIntegral . digitToInt) . show in f 1212121212121212199 < 1388977947 449235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,12,121,212,1212,12199] < 1388977970 189391 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's the "natural" dynamic programming approach. So it's rather efficient. < 1388978014 569272 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not clear what the natural dynamic programming approach would be here < 1388978020 479392 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i am shit at parsing haskell < 1388978085 329533 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain? < 1388978334 349612 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we have this sequence d_i (1 <= i <= n) of digits that we somehow split into numbers. Assume that one of these numbers is d_(k..l). Then how to split d_(l+1)...d_n optimally does not depend on d_1..d_(k-1). < 1388978458 190696 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let splitOptimal = f where v = foldl' (\n r -> n*10+r) 0;m = minimumBy (comparing sum);b [] = [[[]]];b xs = let b' = b (tail xs) in [v n : m t' | (n,t) <- zip (tail (inits xs)) b', let t' = filter (\t -> null t || v n < head t) t, not (null t')] : b'; f = m . head . b . map (fromIntegral . digitToInt) . show < 1388978459 62102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:152:62: < 1388978459 263796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Show a0) arising from a use of `show' < 1388978459 263955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable `a0' is ambiguous < 1388978459 264049 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible cause: the monomorphism restriction applied to the following: < 1388978459 264144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : splitOptimal :: a0 -> [Integer] (bound at .L.hs:143:1) < 1388978495 520305 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let splitOptimal :: Show a => a -> [Integer]; splitOptimal = f where v = foldl' (\n r -> n*10+r) 0;m = minimumBy (comparing sum);b [] = [[[]]];b xs = let b' = b (tail xs) in [v n : m t' | (n,t) <- zip (tail (inits xs)) b', let t' = filter (\t -> null t || v n < head t) t, not (null t')] : b'; f = m . head . b . map (fromIntegral . digitToInt) . show < 1388978496 879341 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1388978506 779398 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit hairy < 1388978524 349914 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1388978528 36534 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> splitOptimal 100001 < 1388978530 251763 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [100001] < 1388978540 939226 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> splitOptimal 101101 < 1388978542 329423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1101] < 1388978557 869127 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> splitOptimal 101102 < 1388978559 259420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [101,102] < 1388978560 369901 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :v n < head t <-- that's the strictly increasing version. < 1388978567 210738 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> splitOptimal 31415926535897932 < 1388978567 899500 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1388978568 599451 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [31,41,59,265,3589,7932] < 1388978584 140016 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be nice to have some sort of proof it is optimal < 1388978588 599006 :myndzi\!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :myndzi < 1388978593 329511 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> splitOptimal $ 2^100 < 1388978594 919660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,6,76,506,22822,94014,96703,205376] < 1388978614 211720 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust me? ;-) < 1388978632 959275 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> splitOptimal 10000000000000000000001 < 1388978634 359405 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [10000000000000000000001] < 1388978850 859146 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> splitOptimal 0000032 < 1388978852 160293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [32] < 1388978861 429132 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, it just truncates the zeroes off < 1388978934 280283 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let splitOptimalS = f where v = foldl' (\n r -> n*10+r) 0;m = minimumBy (comparing sum);b [] = [[[]]];b xs = let b' = b (tail xs) in [v n : m t' | (n,t) <- zip (tail (inits xs)) b', let t' = filter (\t -> null t || v n < head t) t, not (null t')] : b'; f = m . head . b . map (fromIntegral . digitToInt) < 1388978935 508512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1388978963 389520 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> splitOptimalS "000000000000001" -- hmm, it'll still drop zeros in the output. < 1388978964 969765 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1] < 1388979661 679206 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://sprunge.us/fPSP works out a couple of steps of the dynamic programming idea. < 1388979753 719805 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no what little you explained is enough. it's kind of what i was thinking of anyway. < 1388979845 959768 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and the running time should be something like n^2? < 1388979937 426742 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :n^3, I think (for each pair 1 <= k < l <= n, we have up to n candidate lists to sift through. Oh and as implemented it's worse, because the sums of the list elements are not cached.) < 1388980076 150086 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it still looks like n^2 to me (not counting the recomputation of sums) < 1388980109 469643 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: if it's n^3, what are the three dimensions of the "table"? < 1388980119 286996 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: just look at the worked out example; there are O(n^2) rows, and each row has O(n) lists to consider. < 1388980131 699984 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: there are only two dimensions, but computing each entry takes O(n) steps. < 1388980137 99628 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1388980195 769728 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which I think can be reduced to O(log(n)) but that would be messy and require arrays, perhaps even mutable ones. So ... no.) < 1388980275 489940 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see. n^3, but the coefficient is very low (like 1/3 maybe) < 1388980279 509747 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/6 < 1388980330 929591 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1388980422 282588 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ask for 11 numbers to be read into a sequence S" < 1388980426 64860 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is this shit? Groovy? < 1388980437 959696 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Groovy was supposed to be like a scripting Java < 1388980448 110275 :myndzi!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel slightly embarrassed every time i go to hang out in sda chat because i have ops and probably nobody knows why < 1388980448 929808 :myndzi!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1388980455 709419 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's from pseudocode describing an algorithm < 1388980456 409692 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp < 1388980468 579743 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job < 1388980528 279615 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pah. A program should not simply ask for numbers. It should beg, it should plead, it should grovel! < 1388980619 689603 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :YUCK. (x > 400 ? cout << "TOO LARGE" : cout << x) << endl < 1388980641 89925 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody really went out of their way to prove that C++ code would be shorter than C. < 1388980949 952646 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugly < 1388980964 310199 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<< returns the stream? < 1388980966 440136 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unnecessary spaces though < 1388980968 869628 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x > 400 && puts("TOO LARGE"); // Like this? < 1388980972 130560 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes. < 1388981001 639654 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes. that's why std::cout << x << "," << y << std::endl; works. < 1388981006 319860 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1388981012 619567 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Doesn't output the x < 1388981067 831378 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Humbug. < 1388981100 160687 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x > 400 || printf("%d\n", x) && puts("TOO LARGE"); I think. < 1388981109 799616 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be shorter < 1388981212 929554 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: use ?:. printf returns the number of characters printed. < 1388981234 719867 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when x <= 400, that will print x and also TOO LARGE. < 1388981243 455387 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good catch. < 1388981266 59934 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You only need one printf and cleverness < 1388981278 439697 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how much cleverness < 1388981299 550472 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that printf's arguments not matching the format spec is UB. < 1388981472 344350 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And x was supposed to be a double. < 1388981553 339400 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, there's nothing like sprintf except returning a new string. HOW UNFUNCTIONAL < 1388981571 164421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a standard definition of topological spaces that doesn't use weird set-theoretic concepts like "union" and "intersection" and "subset" but instead talks about monomorphisms and maybe pullbacks or something like that? < 1388981578 141849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess maybe you could end up with the whole frame/topological system that Vickers talks about. But is there something more direct and closer to the classical definition? < 1388981599 800246 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice easy concepts like pullbacks < 1388981793 187099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you hate pullbacks < 1388981800 609846 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1388981803 210153 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could have A -> B if A \subset B. But why anybody would do that to a set of sets is beyond me. < 1388981863 989647 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: homotopy theory? Not sure < 1388982082 100319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: What do you mean? < 1388982192 749752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imogenquest.net/comics/2014-01-05-podbay.jpg < 1388982398 369905 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's such a dumb thing < 1388982447 750204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i see that movie < 1388982471 269725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do you think there is virtue in distinguishing between one-element sets < 1388982512 300252 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{4} and {7} seem pretty different? < 1388982530 59911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're isomorphic........... < 1388982547 99638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1388982640 756787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: anyway look at section 1 of http://arxiv.org/pdf/1012.5647v3.pdf or something < 1388982661 840640 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nahhhhh < 1388982705 550495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :h8r < 1388982707 459702 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pst i'm not confident in basic category theory or actually anything < 1388982723 110418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then look at http://arxiv.org/pdf/1212.6543v1.pdf < 1388982739 660539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even talk about categories < 1388982752 370720 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've read that and whyyyy do you direct link the pdfs :( < 1388982764 520666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's what i have open in my browser?? < 1388982852 801154 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1388982973 176826 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1388982983 350714 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1388983055 293515 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388983191 369850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you have a zillion pdfs, right < 1388983194 589877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you keep track of them < 1388983196 250782 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1388983233 881035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i thought you knew all of maths?? < 1388983287 729807 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vague categorizations and spite < 1388983299 50131 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only know the maths marked with an orange sticker < 1388983310 110069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the orange sticker mean < 1388983357 859890 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :orange stickers mark literature for fourth grade readers < 1388983368 910168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1388983929 98422 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is installing a linux on a hard drive from a linux on a different hard drive in the same computer a sane thing to want to do < 1388983952 233403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've done that < 1388983954 672973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1388983960 279905 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1388983971 30169 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i don't know how to do it. < 1388983996 70007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :linuxfromscratch.org hth < 1388984005 882550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, some distributions make it easier than others < 1388984044 644842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it depends on what you're installing < 1388984118 270085 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch or debian i guess < 1388984150 230642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Hard_Disk_Installation http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en hth < 1388984156 620007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1388984164 946306 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1388984226 150038 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems like i'll probably fuck it up < 1388984244 520290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you can fix it, learning all around < 1388984292 490111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember the time when i wanted grub in the mbr so i did dd if=/dev/hda4 of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 < 1388984316 500443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i even made a backup in my home directory first in case something got messed up, how helpful < 1388984407 883577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the joke is that the partition table is stored in the mbr, as i discovered that day) < 1388984430 500241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the worst sound of all sounds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5h411OcttA < 1388984436 54442 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good effort < 1388984486 720095 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :having an install fail by the usb inexplicably not working during boot sucks < 1388984660 172722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1388984691 450248 :gully_foil_Ja!~theghost2@63.142.161.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1388985666 471117 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1388986542 162067 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388986575 261472 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388986830 281854 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388987331 358805 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.yopmail.com/en/alternate-email-address.php I somehow doubt this is secure < 1388987352 690326 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would have to check the code to see if it looks reasonable < 1388987356 560549 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which doesn't mean it is < 1388987474 820386 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sends the typed email over to the server to convert it, I think < 1388987771 517398 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just PCI passthrough and virtualize everything with dom0 snapshot unicycle. < 1388987836 610316 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, youtube now hosts 4 GB videos. < 1388988144 470142 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah they can read your email, huge vulnerability < 1388988186 110272 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is, if random person X can get the real email address from the alias < 1388988197 615826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does translation from lambda calculus to B,C,K,W () work? < 1388988213 140320 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the distribution of X, but unlikely. < 1388988232 866434 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :translate to ski and then translate ski to bckw, oooooooobviously < 1388988253 800080 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tht's pronounced with an 'oo' like 'cool' < 1388988353 572020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1388988363 429951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something nice and structural like ski < 1388988374 526419 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :structural? < 1388988493 73128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows what i mean < 1388988552 860539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok jstor i'm not going to pay you $24 for curry's thesis from 1930 which is in german so i won't even be able to read it < 1388988879 320221 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, zsh puts the return code of the last call just before your line < 1388988917 710473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get that in bash too < 1388988945 73563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put $? in your PS1 < 1388988957 860280 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh. < 1388989017 79980 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does zsh even do that "by default"? < 1388989285 659680 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, the install thingie is, that's all i know < 1388990185 389748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I added into HWPL, some new functions such as TAKE and PHYSICAL, and a few other things. I also made up a file of examples, although maybe it contains some errors, since it isn't tested. < 1388990675 381308 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1388990776 882 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388992306 50326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like these kind of codes? FOR ?X IN ?ADDRESS BITS: BEGIN LOCAL .REG; REGISTER .REG(?DATA); CONNECT .REG TO .DATA WHEN .READ&~|(?X^.ADDRESS); LATCH .WRITE&~|(?X^.ADDRESS) SET .REG TO .DATA; END Maybe it is wrong or inefficient or something though, but it is trying to implement RAM. Also, use of TAKE and unary % operation will be like: CONNECT TAKE(MUX(%.S,{%.I1,%.I0}))&~-./E TO .Y; < 1388992373 341668 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is ugly as fuck. < 1388992388 780174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To you it is! < 1388992496 234781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must hate it a lot, but I find it better. Maybe there is other feature other people hate of other hardware programming languages too; it is one reason why other people try to invent more possible hardware programming languages, isn't it? < 1388992523 979953 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mean the content, i'm just saying, that has fucking "&~|(?X^." in it, that is some fucked shit. < 1388992541 90804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can space it out more if you prefer. < 1388992575 902931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The individual tokens there will be .WRITE & ~ | ( ?X ^ .ADDRESS ) < 1388992692 531017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you prefer it this way? < 1388992841 730068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the purpose of these commands clear from the example, or not? If not, you can ask for clarification, please. < 1388992898 726091 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.58.47 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388993206 872450 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388993230 780961 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388993252 73832 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1388993477 901714 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif < 1388993727 990623 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/06/tech/california-crop-circle-hoax/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 < 1388993731 741641 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that... vandalism? < 1388993747 250666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm alive... I'm alive.. I'm alive... and how I know it... but for chips and for freedom I could die < 1388994159 540746 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1991-04-24/ < 1388994494 416836 :myndzi!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :2JTAAB023 < 1388994498 607157 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a JOIN :#esoteric < 1388994498 807449 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1388994498 807589 :CADD!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ukxbjokcwwtzhwco JOIN :#esoteric < 1388994537 291432 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So Nvidia is marketing this new chip to braille users? This way blind people can see computer graphics more clearly with vivid colors. It turned out to be a public service announcement. Mystery solved!" < 1388995382 11571 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko%27s_triangle < 1388995388 432298 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not used to thinking of this as disproved < 1388995822 502227 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: loud < 1388996659 915438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which instructions sets would include a triple-indirect-jump-with-post-increment instruction? < 1388997031 921774 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :none < 1388997174 851749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: [[[ax]++]]? < 1388997206 561939 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, like that < 1388997242 632206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of an instruction set that would allow that, but not arbitrary combinations of addressing modes < 1388997522 512248 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of bothers me that all .bit registrations are browsable < 1388997536 964887 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't DNS attempt to deliberately prevent browsing of all registrations? < 1388997540 52605 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I mistaken? < 1388997565 201673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… I think there's a much simpler Zooko's triangle solution < 1388997577 159213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, the web-of-trust that's used for public keychains < 1388997604 693033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obviously decentralized, it's secure in that you know exactly how much you trust each individual entry < 1388997627 574572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's memorable in that the keys are associated with human-readable names, and you can adopt the name associations listed by people you trust < 1388997682 272165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's not a global naming system < 1388997692 482087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :making names relative is one way of squaring the triangle < 1388997711 952417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, the description doesn't imply "global" < 1388997713 621849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, there's no way of going name -> key uniquely < 1388997722 791944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is relative to any particular person < 1388997730 542073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the "name" would be an IP < 1388997734 352059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't adopt two name→key mappings with different names < 1388997736 732074 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Each application type that want to store data associated with an identity must be added in the registered applications list with a description on how data will be formatted." < 1388997740 124206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it fails human-readable (because key identifiers are not human readable) < 1388997747 191732 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How decentralized < 1388997754 279209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess my goalposts are in different places from yours < 1388997775 802139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I don't even quite understand what you're proposing or how it's even a naming system I guess :/ < 1388997844 112494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise that the article was about naming systems < 1388998257 712577 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delegate your domain and subdomains to DNS servers: < 1388998257 950451 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recommended : < 1388998257 950643 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{"ns": ["ns0.web-sweet-web.net", "ns1.web-sweet-web.net", "ns0.xname.org"]} < 1388998269 995431 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh.... so basically, point to normal DNS? < 1388998330 151940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think "DNS" itself really attempts to prevent browsing of all entries, though maybe the DNSSEC no-enumeration NSEC3 stuff counts. < 1388998342 703056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Common DNS deployment practices do, sure.) < 1388998373 983379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1388998391 691954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are .pif files still alive in some shape or form? (Sure it's relevant.) < 1388998582 992170 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think so. < 1388998591 862148 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though they should not work on windows 64-bit anymore < 1388998615 682201 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as far as I know windows 32 bit requires you to enable a feature to execute 16bit programs < 1388998625 782194 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 64bit versions don't ship with support for 16bit programs anymore < 1388998640 605650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you should need an emulator, I suppose, in such a case. < 1388998646 719590 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by windows 32 bit I mean windows >= 7 perhaps? < 1388998659 397648 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows xp executes 16bit programs by default < 1388998737 297220 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although < 1388998742 811934 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :PIF's aren't really executables < 1388998777 65298 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I should try to get Microsoft Ants working in VM < 1388998784 392013 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss Ants < 1388998810 400210 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's to blame for my habit of saying ??? when I'm confused (I did eventually drop that habit) < 1388998857 671709 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can PIFs point to 32/64bit programs? < 1388998985 731859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interweb is saying that 32-bit Windows 8 still makes a .pif file if you try to make a shortcut to a 16-bit DOS executable. < 1388999043 833288 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1388999063 152665 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 64bit might still do that without being able to actually run a 16bit program < 1388999084 662649 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would not be really helpful at all < 1388999116 252662 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1388999121 121897 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where can I see if I have Win64? < 1388999136 671945 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there < 1388999138 941938 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :SysWOW64 < 1388999139 602050 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1388999199 272482 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1388999213 182827 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :rightclick -> create shortcut on a .com-file does not work < 1388999224 972412 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I just created an empty txt file and renamed it to com < 1389000486 31817 :oklopol__!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi NICK :oklopol < 1389000495 571536 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i did some google searching with python < 1389000510 491765 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently google banned me forever (except if i use chrome) < 1389000534 232265 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did a search every minute or so, and when the search failed i added another minute < 1389000555 682179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what they have APIs for. < 1389000565 102722 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ioccc winning sources are released < 1389000573 991794 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i didn't find it < 1389000575 862454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: See: topic. < 1389000578 572862 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389000581 971885 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found apis for everything but search < 1389000590 693854 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1389000595 41777 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean i found one < 1389000596 1860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Why didn't you... Google for it. < 1389000608 937296 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seemed too hard to use < 1389000618 201691 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pygoogle was much easier < 1389000656 152463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Don’t misuse our Services. For example, don't -- try to access them using a method other than the interface and the instructions that we provide." < 1389000659 382467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what they say. < 1389000690 161933 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about the deprecated one? < 1389000693 532986 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or which one < 1389000712 189384 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: If you desperately google for something < 1389000714 831538 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll ban you too < 1389000726 551668 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the custom search they link looked more like something that lets you put a search box on your website < 1389000741 12144 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got banned googlig (manually) for about 10 minutes. < 1389000776 293095 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Ban forever? < 1389000794 345220 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously i haven't checked that < 1389000802 252773 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, obviously < 1389000817 741573 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I thought they give you the chance to answer a captcha < 1389000836 591892 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, i don't know what's going on because i'm using pygoogle < 1389000839 141699 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prove that your not some bot. < 1389000839 981118 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't know what it does < 1389000845 371911 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you're < 1389000851 375605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: That may be what it looks like, but it has the https://developers.google.com/custom-search/json-api/v1/overview half. < 1389000917 811869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the "custom search box" side is not only for "search my site only", but also "make a topical search engine that rewrites queries" or whatnot.) < 1389000923 161972 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it comes out as json then it's already a million times harder than pygoogle < 1389000935 753140 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps doable < 1389000977 152414 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :C and C++ have so crazy corners < 1389001073 321788 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that sounds complicated < 1389001095 792205 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have used an api key thingie once but it was php so i could just copypaste stuff < 1389001160 32556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389001212 232695 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For smaller sites, Google Site Search starts at just $100 for up to 20,000 annual searches. For usage above one million searches, enterprise-level support and offline purchasing are available. < 1389001227 722062 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :20000 annual ones is 100 dollars? < 1389001239 761505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1389001241 191779 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to do 1400 queries, i figured that's nothing < 1389001250 141811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GSS is a whole another thing than CSE, though. < 1389001254 511459 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, but still < 1389001284 841716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For CSE users, the API provides 100 search queries per day for free. If you need more, you may sign up for billing in the Cloud Console. Additional requests cost $5 per 1000 queries, up to 10k queries per day." < 1389001360 581503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this "pygoogle" anyway? The first hit I get just goes "Unfortunately, Google no longer supports the SOAP API for search, nor do they provide new license keys. In a nutshell, PyGoogle is pretty much dead at this point", and the second and third ones seemed to be using the deprecated-but-still-working web search APIs. (Which I think has just a "50 queries per day without an API key" limit ... < 1389001366 571721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and no more complicated bans than that.) < 1389001399 693537 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pygoogle is what i found by searching for python google search < 1389001402 821785 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :consistently < 1389001421 855045 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also xgoogle and some other thing but someone somewhere said they don't work anymore so i didn't try them < 1389001443 722618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the https://developers.google.com/api-client-library/python/start/get_started thing. < 1389001468 690310 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently i never found the page that's the first hit with "pygoogle" < 1389001473 340971 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i never searched for pygoogle) < 1389001514 883054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The official Google-provided Python thing does seem to list Custom Search as one of their supported APIs. But it does have that 100-queries-a-day limit if you want it to be entirely free.) < 1389001537 151481 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like i need to spend hours decrypting it < 1389001565 771723 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pygoogle was more like import pygoogle and a = pygoogle.search(url).number_or_results() < 1389001572 521708 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah i guess i need to do that < 1389001573 571542 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdsad < 1389001595 959338 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :money is not an issue, but yeah paying is a bit too complicated < 1389001633 931687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Simple API example" code is not really all that more complicated. < 1389001682 291877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's also not terribly complicated to make a "project" in their "console"; I did that once for their big-data query-executing thingamajick. < 1389001759 981529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though I admit they could provide more "anonymous access is supported with one query per minute" kind of features.) < 1389001783 841431 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably not complicated once you get it, but understanding apis and such is the hardest thing in the world < 1389001787 521499 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for me) < 1389001813 491961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's not like they'd notice that in their flood of search requests via the web interface, and nobody's going to be building a Real Service on something like that, hopefully.) < 1389001840 312006 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah basically my hope was that they wouldn't mind me slowly querying over the night < 1389001873 363067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should've probably just used something that crawls the web interface for that. :p < 1389001906 803043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They got (in 2013), on average, 5922000000 requests per day. < 1389001935 1528 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i considered that, but again that sounded a bit complicated < 1389001975 892940 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as i'm on linux and i have no idea how the api works (or whatever it's called) < 1389002016 419803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcolor used to just use the web interface of Google image search, because they didn't have a programmatic API for it at the time. < 1389002069 161518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I'm not sure if they do have one now either. < 1389002126 501347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, since that, they made one and deprecated it already, then spent some more time API-less, then added image search functionality in the Custom Search thing. < 1389002295 721296 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to make an api key and now i made a client id and have no idea how to make an api key < 1389002311 641347 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have no idea what a client id is < 1389002370 391234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's for those things that require authentication. < 1389002387 402718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the custom search one does. < 1389002520 311679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I recall, the "workflow" is such that you get in the google cloud service buzzword developer console, make a "project", go to "APIs" and toggle the ones you want to use "on", then go to "credentials" and select the "Public API access" one (and not the "OAuth Client ID" one). < 1389002569 1746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I need to go meet some relatives now. < 1389002582 41392 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun < 1389002585 484186 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to do the same soon < 1389002814 421265 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina31.htm < 1389003904 296930 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1389005460 951671 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-37-49-6-33.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1389006793 49724 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389006978 67940 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1389007339 738424 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :yesrtti < 1389007359 237871 :yesrtti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1389007487 999142 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389008009 463021 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389008210 90874 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389008446 715432 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389008557 100516 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389008564 460643 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1389008952 450536 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389009183 437244 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1389009225 956126 :atrapado!~dro@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1389010159 782760 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389011746 939611 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389011747 177820 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389012378 452784 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1389012713 729801 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389012906 609772 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389012926 389792 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389014462 319349 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? arrows < 1389014466 501560 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrows? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1389014481 907347 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn arrows are just strong monads in the category of profunctors < 1389014486 979705 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1389014493 989472 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? arrow < 1389014496 49926 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrows are just strong monads in the category of profunctors < 1389014502 441575 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Arrows are just strong monads in the category of profunctors < 1389014507 39860 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1389015277 716740 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389015426 344150 :Chillectual!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389015621 780196 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389016633 900544 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389017072 110399 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vyvhsnhnddsfiqxv QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389017249 550274 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-evlwlpchxhvdgtiz JOIN :#esoteric < 1389017297 589631 :Chillectual!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com NICK :LinearInterpol < 1389017309 900877 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1389017322 59460 :conehead_!uid16140@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ffldruzqmfkysvkn JOIN :#esoteric < 1389018216 930250 :conehead_!uid16140@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ffldruzqmfkysvkn QUIT :Changing host < 1389018217 130603 :conehead_!uid16140@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389018217 130734 :conehead_!uid16140@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Changing host < 1389018217 130807 :conehead_!uid16140@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ffldruzqmfkysvkn JOIN :#esoteric < 1389018561 39897 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1389019062 801084 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389019246 189027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1389019482 931306 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1389019505 691963 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1389020515 524673 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-37-49-6-33.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1389021309 775891 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389021330 832706 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1389021952 359097 :llamavioleta!ircap@171.157.78.188.dynamic.jazztel.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1389023012 789870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monad < 1389023014 545020 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. < 1389023021 309467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? endofunctor. < 1389023022 899043 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :endofunctor.? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1389023024 149069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? endofunctor < 1389023026 17260 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endofunctors are just endomorphisms in the category of categories. < 1389023026 217520 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1389023032 597753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? arrow < 1389023034 459314 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrows are just strong monads in the category of profunctors < 1389023045 797128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/$/./' wisdom/arrow < 1389023049 78887 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389023051 769479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? arrow < 1389023053 759163 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrows are just strong monads in the category of profunctors. < 1389023082 650075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: YOU JUST CANNOT PLEASE US, GIVE UP < 1389023165 9857 :llamavioleta!ircap@171.157.78.188.dynamic.jazztel.es QUIT :Quit: IRcap 8.71 < 1389023399 89005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo nixon | grep '/bu|[rn]t|[coy]e|[mtg]a|j|iso|n[hl]|[ae]d|lev|sh|[lnd]i|[po]o|ls/' < 1389023400 586610 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389023424 820131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo clinton | grep '/bu|[rn]t|[coy]e|[mtg]a|j|iso|n[hl]|[ae]d|lev|sh|[lnd]i|[po]o|ls/' < 1389023426 260540 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389023433 689682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oops < 1389023441 160728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo nixon | grep 'bu|[rn]t|[coy]e|[mtg]a|j|iso|n[hl]|[ae]d|lev|sh|[lnd]i|[po]o|ls' < 1389023442 612957 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389023450 338860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo clinton | grep 'bu|[rn]t|[coy]e|[mtg]a|j|iso|n[hl]|[ae]d|lev|sh|[lnd]i|[po]o|ls' < 1389023451 946635 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389023479 853761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. < 1389023489 290751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think munroe is bullshitting. < 1389023495 79966 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think? :P < 1389023534 608617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: i only started checking because i vaguely recalled nixon was _both_ a president and an opponent. < 1389023573 888024 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389023607 587118 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I didn't know that! Either way, the regex doesn't contain an 'x' (so Nixon is right out). It's also missing an 'ob', so the current president is out as well. < 1389023609 289605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo test | grep 'e|a' < 1389023610 619402 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389023614 919939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1389023633 499845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo nixon | egrep 'bu|[rn]t|[coy]e|[mtg]a|j|iso|n[hl]|[ae]d|lev|sh|[lnd]i|[po]o|ls' < 1389023634 892523 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :nixon < 1389023641 150296 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1389023646 117239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i was just doing something wrong < 1389023648 255960 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1389023670 528028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you got closer than usual, i admit < 1389023686 239656 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe next time I'll get there < 1389023692 419737 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: am I missing something about that regex, or are my eyes just too tired to read it properly? < 1389023694 230044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo obama | egrep 'bu|[rn]t|[coy]e|[mtg]a|j|iso|n[hl]|[ae]d|lev|sh|[lnd]i|[po]o|ls' < 1389023695 639464 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :obama < 1389023708 409255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: it's not anchored at the ends, might be it. < 1389023719 619708 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo romney | egrep 'bu|[rn]t|[coy]e|[mtg]a|j|iso|n[hl]|[ae]d|lev|sh|[lnd]i|[po]o|ls' < 1389023721 210437 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389023722 165263 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhh, it's only partially matching. < 1389023722 509719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo kerry | egrep 'bu|[rn]t|[coy]e|[mtg]a|j|iso|n[hl]|[ae]d|lev|sh|[lnd]i|[po]o|ls' < 1389023724 240716 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389023764 49695 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo abbott | egrep 'bu|[rn]t|[coy]e|[mtg]a|j|iso|n[hl]|[ae]d|lev|sh|[lnd]i|[po]o|ls' < 1389023765 411850 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389023767 744537 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMMM < 1389023779 770394 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: Tony Abbott isn't president of the US < 1389023785 310068 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo obama | egrep -o 'bu|[rn]t|[coy]e|[mtg]a|j|iso|n[hl]|[ae]d|lev|sh|[lnd]i|[po]o|ls' < 1389023786 789899 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ma < 1389023792 370517 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what I was missing. < 1389023969 409951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo carter | egrep 'bu|[rn]t|[coy]e|[mtg]a|j|iso|n[hl]|[ae]d|lev|sh|[lnd]i|[po]o|ls' < 1389023970 779807 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :carter < 1389023996 810273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he of course was also an opponent, since he lost to reagan. iirc. < 1389024250 495 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't Nixon lose to Kennedy? < 1389024264 962814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's what i was remembering < 1389024356 802909 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389025189 780054 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are quite a number of presidents who were also opponents, so i imagine the list of "don't match" strings is a good bit shorter < 1389025306 62969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ford | egrep 'bu|[rn]t|[coy]e|[mtg]a|j|iso|n[hl]|[ae]d|lev|sh|[lnd]i|[po]o|ls' < 1389025307 419998 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389025313 549793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointed out on forum < 1389025328 599670 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdasd < 1389025362 180609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the only one who was an opponent, a president, but never elected as one) < 1389026041 570104 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1389026377 850414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Gerald Fnord < 1389027552 400299 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1389027890 866355 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can HackEgo pipe to haskell? < 1389027896 420555 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehowe < 1389027899 360487 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-e < 1389027968 760441 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389027993 790635 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389028055 335564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389028247 786503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1389028510 116593 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389028566 446096 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1389030301 45699 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1389030643 397454 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389032115 820866 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389032628 841383 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389032763 470240 :Picky_Nurse!~Flowers@8ta-229-253-06.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1389032795 500976 :Picky_Nurse!~Flowers@8ta-229-253-06.telkomadsl.co.za PART :#esoteric < 1389032837 321383 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a language for you. < 1389032841 111098 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program is a graph. < 1389032875 71052 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The memory state consists of a coloring of its nodes black or white. Initially, all nodes are black.' < 1389032914 135291 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One execution step consists of nondeterministically selecting a node that's the same color as a majority of its neighbors, and flipping its color. < 1389032924 502189 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Execution halts when there are no longer any such nodes. < 1389032940 782745 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389032965 248296 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :("A majority", as always, means "more than half".) < 1389033467 220032 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389033529 713746 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: nondeterministically as in a nondeterminisitc automaton, or as in random? < 1389033592 531476 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say nondeterministic as in "unspecified behavior". < 1389033601 873586 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, I suppose, isn't necessarily nondeterministic at all. < 1389033753 306506 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean does it pick an ideal path, or just according to some probability distribution/ < 1389033835 601691 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A valid implementation can use any method to select the node. In particular, it doesn't have to pick an ideal path. < 1389034015 366750 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1389034028 61502 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. assume it's adversarial < 1389034108 913396 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: How would that be used to commpute things? < 1389034111 922387 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :compute* < 1389034173 414815 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you would have to ensure that every possible path gives you a useful result < 1389034176 521562 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may be tricky... < 1389034204 832922 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think how you could propagate a signal, like you'd have to in a CA. < 1389034247 432168 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: undirected graph? < 1389034252 817079 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yeah. < 1389034292 182212 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem I see is fanning out < 1389034300 142876 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389034302 311803 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you have that you can propagate an arbitrary distance by shrinking at each step < 1389034326 344945 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :reuse is also a problem. I don't see how most components would reset < 1389034347 311750 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don't immediately see how you could make something that continues running forever. < 1389034452 134601 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this is turing complete < 1389034704 801846 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea < 1389034733 869019 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would however force it to be deterministic < 1389034855 411652 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using a directed graph instead would make this a lot easier. < 1389034875 157773 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you could construct logic gates pretty trivially. < 1389034891 713732 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you start getting near petri nets now < 1389034930 452240 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that reminds me. Petri nets of song lyrics would look pretty cool. < 1389034951 84850 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1389034994 705961 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Petri net where each transition is labeled with a fragment of a song's lyrics. < 1389035023 132260 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should do wat? < 1389035025 242372 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Petri net executes deterministically (because there's only one possible execution path), and the order of execution produces the song's lyrics. < 1389035127 771550 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, imagine a net with three places, A, B, and C. Initially, A has 11 tokens, B has none, and C has I-dunno-a-bunch. < 1389035164 371183 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a transition labeled "NAH" taking one token from A and putting one token in B. Then there's a transition labeled "HEY JUDE" taking 14 tokens from B and one from C, and putting one in A. < 1389035174 847701 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1389035175 771462 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/14/11/ < 1389035187 658349 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The result is that you get "NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH HEY JUDE" a bunch of times. < 1389035482 91824 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'm not sure a directed graph is TC. I'm still unsure about how resets would work < 1389035489 264885 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, you might be able to get away with this < 1389035516 783418 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAND and FANOUT are all you need for TC, right? < 1389035530 1618 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or AND, OR, NOT, FANOUT? < 1389035540 101524 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FANOUT is trivial, so that's easy < 1389035567 552689 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389035576 561681 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, just need AND and NOT since that gets NAND < 1389035581 902804 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make NOT just by doing FANOUT to two and having both of them point at another node. < 1389035582 381904 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND is also easy, which just leaves NOT < 1389035591 861408 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: wha? < 1389035598 671554 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I completely forgot the semantics < 1389035600 109013 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, yeah < 1389035605 100360 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :with directed graphs it's easily TC < 1389035663 151659 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@doc System.IO < 1389035663 352133 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/base/system-io.html < 1389035713 992442 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389035791 755905 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: updating < 1389035813 821524 :rodgort`!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389035914 437122 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389036033 298856 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389036036 513743 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@doc System.IO < 1389036041 337184 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/base/System-IO.html < 1389036099 842193 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, how am I going to make this Petri net... < 1389036323 231526 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some fragments, like "HEY JUDE", are used all over the place. So I'd probably just have a "HEY JUDE 'in' place" and a "HEY JUDE 'out' place", and the HEY JUDE transition just takes from one and puts in the other, and... yeah. < 1389037230 548048 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1389037851 534488 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you writing a petri program that prints the hey jude lyrics < 1389038145 336291 :2JTAAB023!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389038151 730584 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was, and then I got bored. < 1389038265 181882 :myndzi\!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389038519 805560 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389038613 956441 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1389038614 156801 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1389038704 585166 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389040358 864981 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42892.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1389041190 700993 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1389041307 271573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you can't look up anything from this book on the google without finding spoilers :'( < 1389041431 939023 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389041970 662722 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to Fix a Guitar http://youtu.be/glxAKmY8p1k < 1389042123 354488 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389042171 752421 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, spoilers are overrated < 1389042425 561629 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140106/00442525768/fbi-admits-its-not-really-about-law-enforcement-any-more-ignores-lots-crimes-to-focus-creating-fake-terror-plots.shtml < 1389042652 612302 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, national security theater < 1389042710 663135 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even blame them much ... the easiest way to find a terrorist plot is to make one up yourself. < 1389042790 141580 :Oj742!irc2gowebc@131.252.206.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389043106 328723 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389043409 250912 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just filed my second bug report to gcc ever. < 1389043446 321970 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that counts as esoteric programming work because it needed some abuse of the C++ language. < 1389043476 356033 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc has an asm injection bug < 1389043516 37048 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: what? < 1389043526 201287 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :joke failures < 1389043532 837826 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: do you mean the old one that involves strange filename for #line directives? < 1389043545 342095 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=52554#c3 < 1389043591 898497 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... < 1389043592 859300 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: nice < 1389043677 332891 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the starting dollar marks an immediate number there in the assembler, right? < 1389043681 71786 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1389043687 761991 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc should quote or mangle it, or reject it < 1389043708 862070 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree it's a bug if it doesn't do any of those < 1389043728 566581 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, that counts as suitably esoteric as well < 1389043812 740898 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=20140 this one was reported in 2005 and fixed in 2012 < 1389043831 393491 :Oj742!irc2gowebc@131.252.206.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389043975 221919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll now try to understand the C++ overloading rules to figure out whether I can reproduce the crazyness I want without variadic functions and preferably without templates < 1389044047 384090 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :what craziness is this? < 1389044126 301300 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(void)s;" < 1389044130 908014 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens when you cast something to void? < 1389044136 163516 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1389044138 331636 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: nothing special. the value is lost. < 1389044146 316805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish C++ supported void values. :-( < 1389044148 301238 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can cast anything to void to get a void expression < 1389044152 294493 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, void values don't exist < 1389044191 901335 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use void expressions as a statement, or as the left argument of the comma operator, or in a few other places < 1389044195 508737 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: how did you ever discover 20140? < 1389044219 622766 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :by reading this channel < 1389044224 933308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ask mauke, that wasn't me < 1389044245 581967 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: how did you ever discover 20140? < 1389044257 888822 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see < 1389044259 121837 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=59704 is the bug, the story is a bit complicated < 1389044268 2574 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(void)s; is used to make gcc/g++ not throw "unused variable" erros when compiling with -Werror < 1389044273 99629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least gcc supports void f(); void g { return f(); } < 1389044279 731193 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite remember what I used the buffers for < 1389044300 186889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: not only that. it has other uses too < 1389044307 761208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not void x = f(); return x; :'( < 1389044314 720874 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: for example, it allows you to use the comma operator on any value without fearing of triggering an overloaded comma < 1389044317 888891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, I mean void g(), of course. < 1389044360 352740 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you declare a void variable at all? < 1389044364 36335 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: basically, Jens Gustedt has discovered a way in C to test whether an expression in compile time constant: http://gustedt.wordpress.com/2013/08/22/testing-compile-time-constness-and-null-pointers-with-c11s-_generic/ < 1389044374 1120 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no, nor a void parameter < 1389044391 312231 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: but his solution uses a quirk that doesn't work in C++, so we were wondering if it's possible in C++ too < 1389044405 242908 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: I think it's possible, but there seems to be a gcc bug that breaks it < 1389044434 402831 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42892.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389044438 605912 :AnotherTest_!~turingcom@d51A42892.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1389044450 711737 :AnotherTest_!~turingcom@d51A42892.access.telenet.be NICK :AnotherTest < 1389044483 581946 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it may have been for runtime code generation < 1389044536 446377 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, cast to void can be useful to write a ?: expression where you don't care of the return value but the two arms have completely incompatible types < 1389044565 417242 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cast to void also helps in some nice macro tricks < 1389044568 871975 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it was for the generic constructor? < 1389044580 704277 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if condition then action1 >> return () else action2 >> return () < 1389044587 882055 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks legit. < 1389044614 462516 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it nice how every language can be written in Haskell... < 1389044697 161793 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, haskell is crazy in a different way than C++ is crazy < 1389044756 707754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be a second gcc bug here, I'll have to examine this < 1389044759 102044 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if condition then void action1 else void action2 < 1389044785 80361 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (condition) action1; else action2; < 1389045106 994076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1389045108 922654 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this si wierd < 1389045239 742871 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's something I really don't understand here < 1389045245 311442 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to ask the c++ guys < 1389045310 802996 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, what's _Generic? typecase? < 1389045318 259577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1389045320 191582 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: yes < 1389045326 251717 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :new in C11 iirc < 1389045558 492519 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1389045950 512410 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1389046097 616656 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42892.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1389046136 791404 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389046137 684141 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1389046143 784919 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :constexpr int v = argc - argc; compiles < 1389046145 822269 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do all C compilers get this right? :-) < 1389046154 883059 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: oh! < 1389046169 475647 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is ... interesting. < 1389046172 484167 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :but covl(0, v) says it's nonconstant < 1389046230 912576 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :char *p; constexpr ptr_diff_t d = (p+4) - p; // is this supposed to work? < 1389046293 541650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389046294 701242 :atrapado!~dro@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1389046332 607149 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1389046342 340506 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :too esoteric for me < 1389046349 591603 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no second bug, it was a misunderstanding at my part < 1389046365 901405 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: no < 1389046370 590085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: covl? < 1389046384 861542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: v doesn't convert to a pointer but 1*v does, because v is an lvalue < 1389046386 431436 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=59704 < 1389046390 763420 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think p+4 may be undefined, depending on what p points to < 1389046399 366236 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: only _prvalue_ constant expressions of integral type and value zero convert to a null pointer < 1389046411 72071 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not counting nullptr_t expressions) < 1389046445 781415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: so v must not convert to a null pointer < 1389046463 191753 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even if you say const int v = 0; < 1389046489 853019 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's complicated < 1389046507 191187 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :try.cc:5:32: error: '* &' is not a constant expression < 1389046507 391676 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric : const constexpr int &v = argc-argc; < 1389046507 391849 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1389046512 125022 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :u wot m8 < 1389046537 772152 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: good luck trying to understand C++, I must go now < 1389046605 556560 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I was speculating about why constexpr int v = argc - argc might be supposed to work. Taking the difference of pointers seems to be the most useful case where such cancellation might turn up. < 1389046633 151641 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: (But I don't know whether it is supposed to work.) < 1389046646 241570 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if argc is NaN, huh! < 1389046688 991985 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an int. < 1389046695 211754 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't compile if argc is a double < 1389046707 692062 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and argc-argc can't even overflow. < 1389046724 212711 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(close one!) < 1389046727 242507 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm testing with constexpr int v = x == x; < 1389047402 891527 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389047450 932812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1389048040 253539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1389048172 591895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -e 'putStrLn "Yes"' < 1389048179 94266 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1389048254 293287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'main = putStrLn "Maybe."' | runhaskell < 1389048258 181035 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1389048296 937402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman Can HackEgo pipe to haskell? <-- `run echo 'main = putStrLn "Yes."' | runhaskell < 1389048297 137665 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1389048411 463376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman `run ghc -e 'putStrLn "This also works."' < 1389048411 701916 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1389048576 241426 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ‑ - < 1389048578 250766 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0020 SPACE] [U+2011 NON-BREAKING HYPHEN] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS] < 1389048982 504839 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389049131 119861 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389049317 903662 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1389049331 291581 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1389049338 612520 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1389049440 35554 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It definitely seems like most programming languages are subsets of Haskell. < 1389049495 486009 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, what about Agda < 1389049507 659058 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agda is one of the programming languages that is not a subset of Haskell. < 1389049530 700121 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Haskell is a subset of Agda, either. Not sure about that one. < 1389049536 830084 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might both be subsets of Idris. < 1389049560 849594 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm trying to think how E could be seen as a subset of Haskell. < 1389049580 540384 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :E, esoteric, ire to see < 1389049589 103825 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first thought, as with all my attempts to interpret a programming language as Haskell, is "use a monad!" < 1389049614 30129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PART :#esoteric < 1389049617 180181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1389049617 550998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it seems to me like your graph thing is harder to program because you have all nodes be black at the outset, which means _any_ node can change on the first step. < 1389049659 679332 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: huh, you're right. < 1389049787 489370 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to know the twoducks subset < 1389049792 569543 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, in E, there are these things called objects, and there are these things called references (which can be futures, as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futures_and_promises). A fancy thing you can do with an object is to "eventual send" a message to it, with some references as arguments. < 1389049811 279729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: obviously you need the Tardis monad somewhere. < 1389049834 878867 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a fancy thing you can do with a reference is to "wait" on it, given a function from an object to a reference; the result is a reference to the eventual result. < 1389049836 397709 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uh. < 1389049853 807805 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like this: wait :: ERef a -> (EObj a -> ERef b) -> ERef b < 1389049875 729848 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which looks suspiciously monadic already. < 1389049888 903272 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>= takes a continuation < 1389049927 859022 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you drop the EObj constructor (and I see no reason not to), that's wait :: ERef a -> (a -> ERef b) -> ERef b. Very monadic-looking. < 1389049939 673658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it looks monadic, but for what category (if you don't drop the EObj)? < 1389049942 793050 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, of course, given an object, you can make a reference to it: a -> ERef a. < 1389049961 507248 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, give me a few moments to remember how monads and categories relate. < 1389049979 560416 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoid on the category of endofunctors < 1389049993 38324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote copumpkin lax < 1389049993 238625 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin says: a monad is just a lax functor from a terminal bicategory, duh. fuck that monoid in category of endofunctors shit < 1389050007 589847 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pwend < 1389050015 479702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i can't tell if Bike is saying that to be helpful or unhelpful or what < 1389050026 433488 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither can i < 1389050046 85633 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A monad is a type of endofunctor, right? And... it sounds like the question of "what category" is just the question of what the domain of "ERef" is. < 1389050049 657387 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :endomeme < 1389050088 191292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the case of Haskell the functor is from and to the category of Haskell functions. < 1389050096 414883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it maps Haskell functions to Haskell functions. < 1389050109 660084 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proposal for a new conjunction: eqv'ly. "a eqv'ly b" asserts that "a" and "b" are the same thing, and means "a", or, equivalently, "b". < 1389050119 860901 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes, a monad is a endofunctor with return and join added following certain laws (or, alternatively, a Kleisli category) < 1389050132 695921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a monad is just a free monad monad monad algebra < 1389050149 879493 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A monad is just an element of the collection of monads. < 1389050196 281785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a monad needs return :: forall x. x -> m x not ERef a -> (EObj a -> ERef b) -> ERef b; so it isn't quite a monad on (->) (if you drop the EObj then it might be, if it still follows the monad laws, though) < 1389050199 666127 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1389050216 450087 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure this follows the monad laws. < 1389050223 509871 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1389050231 28667 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389050237 792082 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are what, again... < 1389050253 199562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One way to mention the monad laws is simply to say that the Kleisli category is, in fact, a category. < 1389050315 329354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: What if argc is a trap value? < 1389050345 688571 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :no such thing < 1389050349 587387 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I'm quite sure this follows the monad laws. < 1389050413 20051 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, the semantics of eventual sends are really pretty complicated. < 1389050619 881393 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have an event queue (which need not actually be a queue, but does need to have certain ordering properties). Every ERef is a reference to the result of one of these events (perhaps an event that hasn't happened yet). < 1389050654 531127 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that, at least to an approximation, creating an ERef is the same thing as putting an event on the queue. < 1389050714 795662 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1389050728 472447 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This means that both return :: a -> ERef a and >>= :: ERef a -> (a -> ERef b) -> ERef b put events on the queue. It's likely that this can be done without side effects. < 1389051045 106085 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :return creates a pretty boring event; this event just immediately returns a value. >>= also creates a boring event; it just waits for a first event to finish, calls a second event with the result, waits for the second event to finish, and returns the result. < 1389052208 184215 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389052347 993017 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389052650 5381 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389052692 399630 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, suppose I want to create an E object with a single method, which nominally takes a Char and returns an Int. Well, when I do that in E, my method doesn't actually necessarily get a Char; it merely gets a reference to a Char. But it doesn't have to return an Int; it merely has to return a reference to an Int. < 1389052739 259971 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if I have a function "ERef a -> ERef b", I ought to be able to create one of those E objects with a single method. Let's call it an EFunc, how about. So the function is (ERef a -> ERef b) -> EFunc a b. < 1389052847 783679 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the type of the "eventual send" function is kinda scary: ERef (EFunc a b) -> ERef a -> (ERef (EFunc a b), ERef b) < 1389052860 61748 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1389052872 168754 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given a reference to a function and a reference to an argument, I can send the argument to the function. The result is a reference to the result, as well as a new reference to the function. < 1389052929 251598 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you send a message X to Alice and get a new reference Alice', then the reference Alice' has the property that any message sent to it is guaranteed not to arrive before X does. < 1389052935 957239 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389052958 373787 :Gregor`!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1389052971 394897 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389052971 595569 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389052971 795952 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389052972 22266 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389052972 507017 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389052972 707442 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389052979 945935 :rodgort`!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389053295 924818 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :Freefull < 1389053444 809495 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389053614 14821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: aren't you assuming Alice is actually using X there. < 1389053632 249654 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not sure what you mean by "actually using". < 1389053647 969894 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389053677 347933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, if Alice just discards X and gives you a reference back that does not use it. like haskell laziness. < 1389053751 352171 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Alice does with X has nothing to do with the "ERef (EFunc a b)" that you get back; that reference has the same behavior regardless of what Alice does. < 1389053775 218854 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "ERef b" can refer to whatever Alice wants it to refer to. < 1389053802 987165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1389053825 549908 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1389053846 879578 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing agda via ssh on my tablet is not particularly fun < 1389054007 808690 :Gregor`!dlopen@libdl.so NICK :Gregor < 1389054062 979996 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, so this is four ways of getting a reference, right? You can create a reference to an object; you can use >>= to call a function on a reference, giving you a new reference; and you can eventual-send to an object, giving you both a new reference to the object, and a reference to the result of the send. < 1389054284 29106 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then an important question is, when does an ERef a become "resolved", and what do we care... < 1389054434 846195 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1389055811 989142 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, I guess the main operator is "send an argument reference to a target reference, yielding a result reference and a new version of the target reference". On the other side, an object is defined by one or more functions which take the state of the object and an argument reference, and return a result reference. < 1389056075 425290 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389056220 550715 :myndzi\!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT : < 1389056238 121149 :myndzi\!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389056262 335281 :myndzi\!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1389056337 330470 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is all made a bit difficult by the fact that Haskell's type system isn't really set up for object-oriented programming. < 1389056616 629117 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey nerds, anyone know what iommu does, i have a mystery on my hands < 1389056650 466238 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. It's like paging, but on DMA. < 1389056682 49171 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now riddle me this, why do i have to have it enabled for my NIC to function? < 1389056721 39130 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard telling. There's many possibilities. < 1389056742 849996 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe your NIC can only handle 32-bit addresses, and it needs to access a buffer that the kernel's shoved above that space. < 1389056747 119615 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ask because i've been fucking with drivers on a decapitated system all day only to find that i needed some fucking bios option < 1389056788 48826 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1294989 behold my salvation. < 1389056802 759283 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus has returned, as a forum thread, to save me < 1389056899 818904 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could also be the case that the device can only deal with a single large buffer, and the kernel hands the device that by using the IOMMU. < 1389056908 879911 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, it depends on implementation details a lot. < 1389056923 705210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems unlikely someone would design a card like that, because IOMMU is pretty recent? < 1389056927 70609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know though < 1389056934 312841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if Fiora knows < 1389056942 112427 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389056969 819327 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the motherboard is fairly new, not sure about the nic < 1389056977 637902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess if the nic is part of the mobo they can assume you have it < 1389056982 507476 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it might be some kind of weird driver quirk. i pretty much hate all network drivers at this point < 1389056987 799250 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nic is in the mobo, yeah < 1389056990 939186 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NIC's a few years old, but probably newer than IOMMU. < 1389056994 779726 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nearly bought a pci one... < 1389057006 511581 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389057011 101561 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's a few years old because my *last* computer had that exact kind. < 1389057015 439534 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also had an IOMMU. < 1389057036 987529 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm guessing you didn't need to enable it for network. < 1389057038 649081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1389057059 759810 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, it was on by default in the BIOS. < 1389057068 319180 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1389057079 100620 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why i need to get with fucking w/ my fpga's ethernet. write some drivers. make some spite < 1389057195 259196 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1389057309 438725 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that when i say the ethernet didn't work, i mean that everything reported that the interface was fine, but i'd time out with dhcp or any kind of router communication. < 1389057455 986453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tastetheburritobox.com/ < 1389057666 795574 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm naming this computer syadavaktavyah in honor of me not knowing what the fuck < 1389057888 398902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: jain't nothing wrong with your computer < 1389057932 288948 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good < 1389057946 519738 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't they have thsoe in japan < 1389057967 779580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they were more an indian thing < 1389057984 459736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you referring to the burrito boxes. < 1389058000 89330 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The burrito boxes, yeah. < 1389058007 239020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of the vending machines I saw in Japan were pretty low tech and boring < 1389058009 346007 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was disappointed < 1389058042 982382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably there's some enormous vending machine district in Tōkyō that I should have visited < 1389058044 719625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: all the advanced ones start making things almost, but not quite unlike tea and have to commit seppuku. < 1389058049 718695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1389058064 868808 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were claw machines that dispensed large sausages < 1389058076 699014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and capsule machines with used panties < 1389058085 526398 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but neither of those is that interesting from a technological perspective < 1389058158 579000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: just reverse those hth < 1389058170 139511 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :large panties and used sausages? < 1389058187 798945 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what about the pizza vending machines? < 1389058189 962519 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-233-232.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389058192 732248 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't seen < 1389058195 105979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: syadavaktavyah < 1389058228 188967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :syadavaktavyahth < 1389058239 490973 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389058970 140023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1389059554 782331 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1389059845 691446 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1389061081 849882 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1389061733 320030 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have now moved on to uefi problems, i'm hitting some kind of cosmic checklist < 1389061762 279032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :circles of hell < 1389061784 338963 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unaligned pointer 022 < 1389061787 609401 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x22, rather < 1389061814 470628 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my mobo has a shitty implementation of AMD-Vi apparently, whatever that means! < 1389062092 62397 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389062126 852519 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think of geometric concepts that can be defined only in terms of points and lines, without talking about distance at all. < 1389062132 988937 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell, there pretty much aren't any. < 1389062173 709772 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, you can define collinearity. That's pretty much it. < 1389062201 696092 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389062204 199243 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Circle? Nope. Triangle? Not without defining line segments, nope. < 1389062237 149050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dual of collinearity is three lines intersecting in a point hth < 1389062241 49270 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you trying to think of that < 1389062252 306924 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Angle? Maybe. < 1389062262 949876 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: because the Faro plane. < 1389062275 32254 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the dual of an angle? < 1389062324 768008 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's three lines, one of them distinguished. < 1389062331 411968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: note that you cannot define anything that isn't preserved under linear maps and projections. < 1389062338 459029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which excludes angles. < 1389062350 550604 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I guess that's obvious in retrospect. < 1389062364 562457 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can define parallelity. But in the Faro plane, no lines are parallel. < 1389062411 589125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can fix one line as infinite and define parallel as "intersect on the infinite line" < 1389062434 374154 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but then you pretty much just get the boring four-point plane. < 1389062439 91351 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "line" means "set of two points". < 1389062458 510082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1389062477 879297 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you take the Faro plane and denote one line as the line at infinity, and then you remove that line, you're left with four points. < 1389062479 179735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just defining the usual translation from euclidean plane to projective plane here, really. < 1389062490 979396 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A four-point plane, in fact. Where the lines are precisely the sets containing two points. < 1389062500 399638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1389062519 905636 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No three points are collinear, because no line contains three points. < 1389062537 959168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can define conic sections < 1389062561 259397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably gets something trivial in the faro plane, though. < 1389062620 88131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not really the fault of the concepts that the faro plane is too small to fit enough distinct examples of them to be interesting. < 1389062720 319819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are numerical expressions that are preserved under projective transformations although i cannot remember their names. < 1389062796 274054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hm < 1389062818 158888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need four points in the usual projective plane to fix any transformation, i think. < 1389063040 265970 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389063107 162377 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, conic sections. < 1389063120 519484 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe in the Faro plane, "conic section" just means something like "set of five points". < 1389063491 511459 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Fano < 1389063502 100732 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Faro is a perfect shuffle) < 1389063630 929149 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also may be the word for "lighthouse" in some languages. < 1389063637 381780 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portuguese? Spanish? < 1389063724 39378 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch doesn't have sudo by default. feelin pretty ascetic here < 1389063728 329602 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :took me two minutes to remember that word < 1389063762 862584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :debian doesn't either < 1389063768 818962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do the barebones whatever install < 1389063793 669871 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also forgot to put wheel in sudoers so an incident was reported < 1389063808 157115 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1389063813 892036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo is pretty fucked anyway < 1389063820 959522 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it not report anything by default? i even checked /var/spool/mail which i have never used in my life < 1389063822 117667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for your typical linux desktop < 1389063838 633034 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't want to just log in as root... < 1389063848 552161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has all this complexity for delegating power to run individual commands, none of which is useful to typical desktop user < 1389063858 630113 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. yeah. < 1389063868 939572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the password prompt is little more than a molly-guard, for a typical desktop install < 1389063871 873964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it provides no real security < 1389063881 459384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are simpler sudo-replacements which take these facts into account < 1389063890 359476 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :got a rec? < 1389063897 908929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, haven't used them :/ < 1389063903 476879 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i am probably going to set up an sshd on this thing and use it as a bouncer so as to stop annoying you < 1389063931 871801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray < 1389063987 869203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lighthouse_of_Alexandria < 1389064022 506773 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of amusing how incredibly fucked i was without any internet < 1389064329 960141 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what do you mean about the password providing no security? would my set up which requires a fresh password entry for every sudo be considered "atypical" < 1389064391 19193 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the typical setup has a 5 minute timeout until you have to re-enter the password < 1389064412 710336 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're probably running sudo within a shell and xterm and x session which are controlled by your user account < 1389064476 60112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if your account gets compromised the attacker can easily compromise one of those and get your password the next time you run sudo < 1389064477 490982 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: which changes what? < 1389064483 299294 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1389064486 549317 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're pretty much undoubtedly running it within a shell controlled by your user account. < 1389064488 851820 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1389064506 165475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the part where most of the stuff you'd care about an attacker doing/having is in your user account, anyway < 1389064513 215026 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1389064521 519323 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since why would you be running it in someone else's shell. < 1389064524 921313 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing i don't actually care < 1389064742 306411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1389064758 48142 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i'm not too worried about getting haxxed really < 1389064776 189582 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we can have a new age of viruses, spreading on dumbass linuxers like me < 1389064796 189739 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My laptop is set to allow anyone to SSH to it as root with no password. < 1389064811 423613 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i hate minimalism < 1389064817 403804 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not related i just do < 1389064829 741065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Why? If it has no internet connection then it might not be as much of a problem, but still it doesn't seem so sensible < 1389064834 841704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it Bike < 1389064856 819160 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoyed at people trying to find the once and for all really real perfect minimal computer < 1389064861 419468 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's behind a NAT all the time, except when I'm at school. Then it has a public IP address. < 1389064884 38960 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look in the authorization logs, and apparently lots of people log into it. < 1389064889 791798 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume they're installing all sorts of malware. < 1389064890 307761 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :snort < 1389064922 141657 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I know that *some* of them are, because every time I log into an account with my laptop, it gets compromised within a couple of days. < 1389064949 900639 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my web browser is almost unusable because literally more than three quarters of the window are taken up by toolbars. < 1389064959 719147 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how joking are you exactly < 1389064967 860256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, I too try to find good instructions sets that I can try to build a good computer. My criterias are to have open source program to implement it in hardware (without vendor lock or patent issues), to be simple, to support 32-bits address, to be supported target by GCC or LLVM, and it can be changed to have different features which I might want. < 1389064976 654360 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 95% joking. < 1389064984 409250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Then turn off all of the toolbars. < 1389065012 699509 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: and here I thought you had found the ultimate "zen" approach to computer security < 1389065023 314775 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well "simple" doesn't mean much of anything, basically. < 1389065036 180698 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: whenever I turn off a toolbar, the browser crashes. < 1389065051 467145 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannibalized some old computers, i should set up honeypot puters < 1389065069 709398 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :attacker gains access, realizes that the machine is from 1992, gives up in disgust < 1389065070 340865 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1389065072 769484 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultimate security < 1389065078 361958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Then make a backup of non-binary files and then erase everything and reinstall everything, and then hopefully it will work < 1389065097 269261 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I doubt it; someone might be interested nevertheless < 1389065101 410798 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also he's lying about the toolbars < 1389065104 509307 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know how sourdough contains a specific mixture of microorganisms that result in it being completely safe to eat, and if you were to remove the wrong ones, you'd end up with some weird random mixture of bacteria that'd probably kill you? < 1389065106 259761 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like that. < 1389065125 824749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about sourdough much < 1389065126 61836 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, well how many 1992 computers used to turn on my lights have you compromised, huh < 1389065140 19415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i don't think that's true < 1389065142 920619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :about sourdough < 1389065153 230948 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :douglass_ would know for sure < 1389065162 100464 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I've tried that, but all the non-binary files I try to copy off the computer automatically get machine translated into Portuguese for some reason. < 1389065177 452078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Me? I expect, none. But I never tried, and don't intend to, so it doesn't matter. < 1389065185 389495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :salt-rising bread, on the other hand, is made using the bacterium which causes gas gangrene < 1389065192 759151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't cut yourself while kneading it < 1389065197 588878 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you /expect/ none? < 1389065201 778983 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you sleep-hack < 1389065239 791913 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No, but I may have inadvertently done something. < 1389065271 499045 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inadveertantly hacked my doorputer? what's wrong with you man < 1389065279 329368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, I suppose maybe I do sleep-hack, but not in the sense you probably mean) < 1389065279 681267 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And whenever I try to copy a binary file off the computer, I end up with a file that just says "ÿþ" followed by a line break, in UTF-8. < 1389065299 269263 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you dreams about hacking eh < 1389065315 677194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That isn't what I mean either actually < 1389065335 205478 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you intentionally screw with your sleep schedule? < 1389065353 179938 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the mode ends up getting set to 7412. < 1389065367 559825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well, I do do that, but I don't know if that is what I mean or not; that is why I wrote "maybe". < 1389065394 400448 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this cpu is ten years old, sweeeeet < 1389065397 380032 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: must be hard not to know what you mean < 1389065416 389009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That's what *you* think. < 1389065452 729147 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shuts up < 1389065521 702634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have looked at a few instruction sets such as ARM2 and MMIX, both of which are supported in GCC but not in LLVM. < 1389065577 311950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to use GCC as a LLVM-backend? < 1389065814 489474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ÿþ | iconv -t latin1 < 1389065816 189189 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ < 1389065825 963409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't work much. < 1389065826 168342 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes you think. < 1389065850 339282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it did and it just isn't actual utf8 < 1389065857 521212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`from-8bit ÿþ < 1389065860 469309 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​iconv: incomplete character or shift sequence at end of buffer < 1389065875 455558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/from-8bit < 1389065876 725987 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ \ enc=$(echo "$1" | iconv -t iso8859-1 | chardet | awk '{print $2}') \ echo "$1" | iconv -t iso8859-1 | iconv -f "$enc" < 1389065932 239508 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ÿþ | iconv -f utf8 -t latin1 | iconv -f utf16le -t utf 8 | unidecode < 1389065934 369540 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv: conversion to `utf' is not supported \ Try `iconv --help' or `iconv --usage' for more information. < 1389065936 699510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also written a program "utftovlq" which is a C program capable to do many of those things too, such as convert UTF-8 to ISO-8859-1, or other things < 1389065951 229661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO 1337:1980 Wrought coppers (having minimum copper contents of 99,85 %) -- Chemical composition and forms of wrought products < 1389065953 510221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If such program is loaded you can see if it work or not < 1389065963 241590 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very elite < 1389065967 314661 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone say what I just said, but such that it works. < 1389065984 579536 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO 420:1994. Photography -- Processing chemicals < 1389066003 359681 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"chemicals" < 1389066006 170639 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`iconv -l < 1389066006 569125 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gettin high on... i don't know what chemicals you use in darkrooms < 1389066007 521302 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :437// \ 500// \ 500V1// \ 850// \ 851// \ 852// \ 855// \ 856// \ 857// \ 860// \ 861// \ 862// \ 863// \ 864// \ 865// \ 866// \ 866NAV// \ 869// \ 874// \ 904// \ 1026// \ 1046// \ 1047// \ 8859_1// \ 8859_2// \ 8859_3// \ 8859_4// \ 8859_5// \ 8859_6// \ 8859_7// \ 8859_8// \ 8859_9// \ 10646-1:1993// \ 10646-1:1993/UCS4/ \ ANSI_X3.4-1968// \ AN < 1389066014 19119 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1389066016 970851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the bad chemicals < 1389066020 21126 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that command to pastebin something? < 1389066039 500554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ÿþ | iconv -f utf8 -t latin1 | iconv -f utf16le -t utf8 | unidecode < 1389066041 319096 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv: incomplete character or shift sequence at end of buffer < 1389066046 469262 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'bad chemicals' means 'good shit' right < 1389066059 357712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-f utf8 -t utf8 should be the default < 1389066068 315635 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, not "utf 8". < 1389066098 369002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you load C program into HackEgo anyways? < 1389066109 849732 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -n ÿþ | iconv -t latin1 | iconv -f utf16le | unidecode < 1389066111 640430 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389066119 21499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -n ÿþ | iconv -t latin1 | iconv -f utf16le | hd < 1389066120 539994 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000000 ef bb bf |...| \ 00000003 < 1389066120 949665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No, the default should depend on the current locale setting, isn't it? < 1389066130 429558 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in HackEgo i meant < 1389066133 901023 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`locale < 1389066134 651239 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unidecode doesn't take stdin i thought < 1389066135 25671 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_NZ < 1389066141 473894 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ä < 1389066142 979423 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+00E4 LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS] < 1389066143 179880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If the locale setting is UTF-8, then yes it should be UTF-8, clearly) < 1389066153 219131 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ä > unidecode - < 1389066153 664494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :en_NZ really < 1389066156 337793 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389066158 718991 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389066164 268983 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unidecode $(echo -n ÿþ | iconv -t latin1 | iconv -f utf16le) < 1389066166 479070 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+FEFF ZERO WIDTH NO-BREAK SPACE] < 1389066168 258713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to load C program into HakEgo? < 1389066176 313557 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, finally. < 1389066186 450390 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fetch the source and compile it? fetch a binary? < 1389066216 689409 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gcc < 1389066217 931283 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc: no input files < 1389066232 33995 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the source, I don't have binary for this computer though; how do I load a file on? < 1389066239 452598 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wget < 1389066240 776266 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget: missing URL \ Usage: wget [OPTION]... [URL]... \ \ Try `wget --help' for more options. < 1389066246 157513 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pwd < 1389066247 621608 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1389066272 89038 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch < 1389066272 675906 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://: Invalid host name. < 1389066283 979147 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wget http://lpaste.net/raw/98076 < 1389066299 679139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should specify output filename too < 1389066306 640731 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who, me? < 1389066307 960716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think it is -O for wget) < 1389066312 809245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you < 1389066314 990584 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​--2014-01-07 03:44:44-- http://lpaste.net/raw/98076 \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... Failed to connect to socket 2. \ connected. \ Proxy request sent, awaiting response... No data received. \ Retrying. \ \ --2014-01-07 03:44:45-- (try: 2) http://lpaste.net/raw/98076 \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... Failed to connect to socket 2. \ connecte < 1389066322 978851 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wget http://lpaste.net/raw/98076 -o 98076 < 1389066330 840230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat unidecode < 1389066332 42862 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ä - < 1389066332 969636 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, right, the DNS thing. < 1389066333 415244 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there's a whitelist < 1389066351 819138 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lol oops. < 1389066353 999372 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​--2014-01-07 03:45:23-- http://lpaste.net/raw/98076%20-o%2098076 \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... Failed to connect to socket 2. \ connected. \ Proxy request sent, awaiting response... No data received. \ Retrying. \ \ --2014-01-07 03:45:24-- (try: 2) http://lpaste.net/raw/98076%20-o%2098076 \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... Failed to conne < 1389066356 720896 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This won't work, but: < 1389066364 679312 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wget http://176.9.42.8/raw/98076 -o 98076 < 1389066376 941171 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://lpaste.net/raw/98076 < 1389066427 479249 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​--2014-01-07 03:46:36-- http://176.9.42.8/raw/98076%20-o%2098076 \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... Failed to connect to socket 2. \ connected. \ Proxy request sent, awaiting response... No data received. \ Retrying. \ \ --2014-01-07 03:46:37-- (try: 2) http://176.9.42.8/raw/98076%20-o%2098076 \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... Failed to conne < 1389066429 107392 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014-01-07 03:47:08 URL:http://lpaste.net/raw/98076 [373] -> "98076" [1] < 1389066436 509932 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat 98076 < 1389066437 794736 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-- Hi everyone! < 1389066445 362205 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep < 1389066451 589200 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, someone got 98076 somehow. < 1389066461 761289 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Musta been you, Bike. < 1389066471 238755 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1389066475 184723 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat $(which fetch) < 1389066486 404720 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's builtin < 1389066491 569029 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you did it, Bike. You made it happen. < 1389066493 539051 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`type fetch < 1389066494 709410 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: type: not found < 1389066500 749885 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. < 1389066503 279072 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run type fetch < 1389066504 648716 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: line 0: type: fetch: not found < 1389066506 189028 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389066507 350322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: `fetch is outside the sandbox. < 1389066513 999135 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. < 1389066599 149636 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode < 1389066600 700420 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389066602 820331 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode  < 1389066604 549003 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+E326 DUNNO] < 1389066616 557420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm unidecode < 1389066619 719038 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389066633 295962 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1389066639 129837 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode yarr < 1389066640 539854 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0079 LATIN SMALL LETTER Y] [U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A] [U+0072 LATIN SMALL LETTER R] [U+0072 LATIN SMALL LETTER R] < 1389066675 252097 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv $(which unidecode) unidecode- && rm $(which unidecode) < 1389066679 236992 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: missing operand \ Try `rm --help' for more information. < 1389066694 455856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: wat < 1389066702 858935 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip unidecode < 1389066706 559100 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good question. < 1389066709 350583 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode yarr < 1389066710 538858 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: unidecode: not found < 1389066715 159060 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $PATH < 1389066716 260030 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin < 1389066718 364538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1389066722 578829 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1389066728 39117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode BAH < 1389066729 659047 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0042 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER B] [U+0041 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A] [U+0048 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER H] < 1389066732 498958 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whither does `revert revert? < 1389066760 60525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the previous version hth < 1389066770 232292 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tht < 1389066783 769949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꙮ < 1389066785 119788 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O] < 1389066852 1881 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://sprunge.us/UNPA < 1389066854 270567 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014-01-07 03:54:13 URL:http://sprunge.us/UNPA [9462] -> "UNPA" [1] < 1389066868 47584 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"#esꙮteric :Illegal channel name" :( < 1389066879 788822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lꙮl < 1389066888 923750 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ▒▒ < 1389066890 519615 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2592 MEDIUM SHADE] [U+2592 MEDIUM SHADE] < 1389066894 400571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file UNPA < 1389066895 841512 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNPA: ASCII C program text < 1389066898 118814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run gcc -s -O2 -o bin/utftovlq UNPA < 1389066899 899724 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNPA: file not recognized: File format not recognized \ collect2: ld returned 1 exit status < 1389066918 130085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run gcc -s -O2 -o bin/utftovlq -x c UNPA < 1389066926 109569 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389066936 839808 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what does -s do again? < 1389066939 314205 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`df -h < 1389066940 501646 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :df: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory < 1389066942 948998 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`utftovlq for < 1389066944 71002 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389066951 778921 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: quit trying to read /proc/mount hth < 1389066958 250778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It doesn't work like that. Download it into your own computer for documentation < 1389066961 439188 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, strip < 1389066962 671143 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo foo | utftovlq < 1389066964 79658 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389067033 918768 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The parameter needs to be one character input type, one character output type, for example "utftovlq 81" is converting plain 8-bit data into UTF-8. < 1389067049 559291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This plain data is considered as ISO-8859-1, for purpose of Unicode encoding) < 1389067052 59125 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it better than iconv < 1389067088 858956 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`utftovlq 81 UNPA < 1389067103 621721 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find / | xargs -n 2 mv < 1389067119 686922 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389067141 596043 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's cool? error messages are cool < 1389067162 129921 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It can do various other things too, such as convert endianness of files, convert overlong encodings, and support up to 64-bit numbers < 1389067165 389595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run LC_ALL=de_DE.UTF-8 errno -l < 1389067166 648322 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: errno: command not found < 1389067196 919774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote de_DE.UTF-8 < 1389067198 477915 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :925) shachaf: LC_ALL=de_DE.utf-8 errno -l Veraltete NFS-Dateizugriffsnummer Eingabe-/Ausgabefehler "Unterbrechung während des Betriebssystemaufrufs" i think that was in the Ring Cycle < 1389067215 392198 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run LC_ALL=de_DE.UTF-8 rm all-cats-are-cats < 1389067216 999272 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: Entfernen von „all-cats-are-cats“ nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden < 1389067273 319029 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo /hackenv/bin/past* < 1389067274 445654 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/pastalog /hackenv/bin/pastaquote /hackenv/bin/paste /hackenv/bin/pastefortunes /hackenv/bin/pastekarma /hackenv/bin/pastelog /hackenv/bin/pastelogs /hackenv/bin/pastenquotes /hackenv/bin/pastequotes /hackenv/bin/pastewisdom /hackenv/bin/pastlog < 1389067278 718975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unterbrechung während des Betriebssystemaufrufs, Brünhilde < 1389067281 91 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run LC_ALL=so_ET.UTF-8 rm all-cats-are-cats < 1389067282 289514 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `all-cats-are-cats': No such file or directory < 1389067288 519500 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :locale game weak < 1389067294 269041 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run locale -a | paste < 1389067296 259629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the convert type are: 8=8-bit, w=16-bit LE, W=16-bit BE, d=32-bit LE, D=32-bit BE, q=64-bit LE, Q=64-bit BE, 1=UTF-8, 0=Modified UTF-8, V=VLQ, v=LEB-128, u=UTF-16 LE, U=UTF-16 BE, T=translation, M=Messagepack (input only), 4=Hex. There is also other options: L=linefeed, c=carriage-return, b=BOM in, B=BOM out, t=Make translation file small-endian. < 1389067300 150442 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.1702 < 1389067314 330194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For "translation", a translation table must be given as a second argument. < 1389067320 798904 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run LC_ALL=ar_JO.utf8 rm all-cats-are-cats < 1389067322 189049 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `all-cats-are-cats': No such file or directory < 1389067329 60030 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run LC_ALL=so_ET.utf8 rm all-cats-are-cats < 1389067330 359543 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `all-cats-are-cats': No such file or directory < 1389067334 918967 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it. < 1389067343 629424 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run LC_ALL=zh_CN.utf8 rm all-cats-are-cats < 1389067345 89873 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: 无法删除"all-cats-are-cats": 没有那个文件或目录 < 1389067353 529284 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably rm doesn't know so_ET. < 1389067387 845190 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ethiopian Somali? < 1389067412 549105 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run LC_ALL=ja_JP.utf8 rm all-cats-are-cats < 1389067414 10676 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `all-cats-are-cats': そのようなファイルやディレクトリはありません < 1389067422 949226 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1389067432 898990 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the other way around, i think. < 1389067501 491563 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sono yōna fairu ya direkutori wa arimasen" < 1389067878 19904 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389068238 640060 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: "you na", not "youna". < 1389068297 578990 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run LC_ALL=am_ET.utf8 rm foobar < 1389068298 859021 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `foobar': No such file or directory < 1389068316 650005 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really wanted to see the Unicode mumbo-jumbo < 1389068512 188824 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, I was copying and pasting from Gūguru ga hon'yaku. < 1389068568 879722 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ﯹﯹﯹﯹﯹﯹﯹﯹ < 1389068570 588503 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+FBF9 ARABIC LIGATURE UIGHUR KIRGHIZ YEH WITH HAMZA ABOVE WITH ALEF MAKSURA ISOLATED FORM] [U+FBF9 ARABIC LIGATURE UIGHUR KIRGHIZ YEH WITH HAMZA ABOVE WITH ALEF MAKSURA ISOLATED FORM] [U+FBF9 ARABIC LIGATURE UIGHUR KIRGHIZ YEH WITH HAMZA ABOVE WITH ALEF MAKSURA ISOLATED FORM] [U+FBF9 ARABIC LIGATURE UIGHUR KIRGHIZ YEH WITH HAMZA ABOVE WITH ALE < 1389068578 480644 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, "Google Translates". < 1389068591 643786 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Google Translates. < 1389068646 85528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The example of my program would be, for example converting UTF-8 to CESU-8 will be "utftovlq 1u | utftovlq w0" < 1389068752 900000 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hum. GT translates "テゥランスレーテゥ" as "Thuringer Lance de Lethe". < 1389068874 292055 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1389068999 169088 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sicb.org/meetings/2014/schedule/abstractdetails.php?id=1217 cameron, j < 1389069009 688489 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ヘyグysカニョウレアdティs < 1389069020 772810 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :アッパレンtlyティシsウァチョウゲtウェニョウジュsttyペエンgィシントティシメ < 1389069022 507418 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389069039 840612 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389069043 549632 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :イフォロネカンtレアヂタタll < 1389069046 880514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: nite < 1389069161 419008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alle Katzen sind Katzen < 1389069165 618651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kaikki kissat ovat kissoja < 1389069199 976661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sicb? structure and interpretation of computer brogramming? < 1389069242 419177 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Todos los gatos son gatos. < 1389069250 535112 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'd buy it < 1389069292 684759 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1389069302 716328 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1389069431 879147 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1389069446 829290 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1389069457 81093 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex NICK :preflex < 1389069457 839370 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, Google Translate translates "ン" as "Emissions" and "ンン" as "Unless they already exist". < 1389069501 899037 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so" and "so-so" also mean different things :p < 1389069528 699703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody actually speaks japanese it's all an elaborate hoax < 1389069550 404845 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sou desu ne. < 1389069584 888990 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Also, yes, I can read your psuedo-Japanese. :) < 1389069594 708789 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah, but those say "n" and "n'n". < 1389069641 283098 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1389069672 71414 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...? < 1389069699 178859 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :のぼぢあくつある類スペアクスじゃ派寝せ逸すあるルアンえらぼら手穂悪巣 < 1389069713 18646 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm reasonably sure neither of those is actually a Japanese word. < 1389069725 231470 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well probably < 1389069807 930149 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you tell Google Translate to translate from Latin to English, then "Lorem" becomes "Business", "Lorem lorem" becomes "Business on the Internet", "Lorem lorem lorem" becomes "Chinese Internet technology", "Lorem lorem lorem lorem" becomes "Chinese Internet phone technology", and "Lorem lorem lorem lorem lorem" becomes "China China China China China". < 1389069832 729689 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google translation party < 1389069833 493190 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://translationparty.com/ < 1389069833 693474 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Translation Party < 1389069913 418557 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nn" is close to a Japanese utterance at least. < 1389069918 112457 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lorem ipsum" becomes "Product". "Lorem ipsum lorem ipsum" becomes "China's". "Lorem ipsum lorem ipsum lorem ipsum" becomes "China's Internet". "Lorem ipsum lorem ipsum lorem ipsum lorem ipsum" becomes "Of course, system design, and system design, and system design," < 1389069924 940287 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you would write it "un" instead. < 1389069984 988576 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lorem ipsum sit dolor amet" becomes "There's a lot of pain" < 1389070009 759027 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can convert any UTF-8 variant (CESU-8, overlong, normal, etc) into proper UTF-8 by "utftovlq 1u | utftovlq u1" < 1389070289 703853 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1389070602 498891 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/raw/98081 < 1389070614 519387 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deep stuff. < 1389070640 471168 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can fill out before the arrows to get pregnant." < 1389070668 101268 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's easy , you will feel to the home and the great gods into labor over the mountains, instantly. There is no element of fear of the notebook of life impact." < 1389070720 300373 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Welcome to the court of the overall development of the plant." < 1389070727 75743 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want there to be a court of the overall development of the plant. < 1389070868 655000 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Each warm-up , wise life is loose , or is willing to ferry a lion" < 1389071303 49421 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389072524 353934 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389072525 119158 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.58.47 QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe > 1389072548 130713 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389072552 255879 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389072552 770403 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389072604 749037 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389072607 351544 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1389072608 864150 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389072609 379559 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389072685 46313 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1389072699 923282 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-142.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1389072700 104471 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-142.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1389072700 272136 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389072772 862846 :Fiora_!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389072839 609207 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1389073106 943116 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1389073107 110747 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389073114 732041 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389073125 329383 :Freefull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389073131 539287 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389073142 845738 :hogeyui__!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389073178 415744 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1389073202 126324 :Freefull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389073258 451548 :hogeyui__!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1389073344 265229 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1389073355 367429 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :google used to translate "quid pro quo" as "What happens in Vegas" < 1389073416 198816 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389073417 961614 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389073420 437400 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389073430 616097 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389073431 216541 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389073435 480884 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389073437 532071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389073437 792025 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389073438 27698 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389073447 5528 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1389073456 614438 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1389073607 460145 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1389073610 582230 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1389073812 320002 :hogeyui___!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1389073854 846396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1389073939 623255 :hogeyui__!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389073941 257258 :monotone_!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389073942 188515 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389074010 724583 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389074114 668872 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1389074264 474656 :monotone_!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1389076495 373035 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif < 1389076830 761392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it translate everything like that? < 1389076873 632320 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does what < 1389076929 813322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean "What happens in Vegas" and that stuff < 1389076956 963090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't live at Vegas, so I wouldn't know) < 1389077011 273083 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. It's a joke. "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" is a common epxression. < 1389077180 819625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate works by data mining the web, so it can get strange ideas about things < 1389077201 530520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example people use "lorem ipsum" as filler text on lots of different kinds of pages < 1389077227 398574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so that's why it doesn't work. (A lot of other things also don't work on Google translation; there are better ones) < 1389077459 901814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are better? < 1389077472 79615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget now, but I did see better ones before < 1389077484 821941 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm convinced < 1389077493 122027 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also seen worse ones < 1389077498 507613 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is vdpau good < 1389077510 510370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1389077519 764679 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1389077977 362113 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389078012 323637 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389078166 410551 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, all this cra kind of makes me interested in gpu driver stuff... probably i can't do anything good for the projects though :/ < 1389078223 995579 :Fiora_!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :Fiora < 1389078282 679850 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389078517 369613 :Freefull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1389078770 905377 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Medicine One is such an unimaginative name for a chemical that cures a fictitious poison (ATP decoupler) < 1389078792 461040 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does that come from < 1389078814 618344 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Creatures series < 1389078826 876477 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://creatures.wikia.com/wiki/ATP_Decoupler < 1389078829 423133 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389078877 545099 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does creatures have proper neurotoins < 1389078881 615752 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :toxins < 1389078932 218992 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some chemicals that can cause mental issues if they can be made to stay in the system long enough < 1389078935 767246 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1389078965 854122 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the only examples I can think of normally have a very quick half-life in a normal norn's bloodstream < 1389079008 88281 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Punishment and Reward < 1389079024 204368 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a norn that had Punishment constantly pumped into it < 1389079040 994853 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would start doing random things, and eventually refuse to do anything at all < 1389079238 708407 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo 가 | utftovlq 1u < 1389079240 772500 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​가 | utftovlq 1u < 1389079244 813873 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wel.. < 1389079246 699740 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 가 | utftovlq 1u < 1389079248 144518 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​. \ . < 1389079258 788984 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1389079261 45428 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... what happened? < 1389079274 328176 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: customer service! < 1389079281 765910 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I don't know how utftovlq works < 1389079287 231182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such command is converting UTF-8 (type "1") to UTF-16 LE (type "u") < 1389079289 618099 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was about to investigate some strange thing sgeo said before i crashed my client < 1389079301 480214 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: aha, so U is UTF-16 BE and so on? < 1389079306 141775 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he told you that the fictitious poison is from Creatures. < 1389079307 878226 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Yes. < 1389079314 299418 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`utftovlq < 1389079315 520333 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389079318 663725 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm! < 1389079324 449098 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a source code for it? < 1389079334 124411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Yes, there is a source code for it. < 1389079347 600296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/UNPA < 1389079348 647783 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat UNPA < 1389079349 834751 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/* \ UTF-to-VLQ \ Public domain \ */ \ \ #include \ #include \ \ #ifdef _WIN32 \ #include \ #endif \ \ typedef unsigned char byte; \ typedef unsigned long long ULL; \ \ typedef ULL(*in_func_t)(void); \ typedef void(*out_func_t)(ULL); \ \ char in_mode; \ char out_mode; \ int options[128]; \ ULL translation[ < 1389079350 885916 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1389079415 312869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat UNPA | egrep '.'\]=write_ < 1389079416 724767 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ ['8']=write_8bit_raw, \ ['w']=write_16bit_le_raw, \ ['W']=write_16bit_be_raw, \ ['d']=write_32bit_le_raw, \ ['D']=write_32bit_be_raw, \ ['q']=write_64bit_le_raw, \ ['Q']=write_64bit_be_raw, \ ['1']=write_utf8, \ ['0']=write_utf8, \ ['V']=write_vlq8, \ ['v']=write_leb128, \ ['u']=write_utf16_le, \ ['U']=write_utf16_be, \ < 1389079434 302957 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's most of them, anyways. < 1389079458 158565 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what's a difference between 1 and 0? < 1389079458 326305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also 'T' for translate (needs a file containing a translation table), and '4' for hex. < 1389079473 244812 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a typo in the normal norn genome < 1389079478 685649 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1389079486 577645 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pain gets converted into hunger for protein backup instead of pain backup < 1389079503 685078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: The '0' is only different for output; it makes no difference for input. For output, '0' causes a code number zero to be overlong encoded (which some programs require). < 1389079535 387716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The "write_utf8" function checks if it is invoked with type '0' or '1' in this case) < 1389079621 349960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also a few other options dealing with line breaks and byte order marks. < 1389079928 118602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully this explains it enough? Using pipes, you can do many more things than just what is specified here, though. < 1389080057 834024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike iconv, utftovlq is capable of working on binary files too; it doesn't have to work on text files. Also, it supports VLQ, overlong UTF-8, codepoints up to 64-bits (or 36-bits for UTF-8), etc, but it doesn't have translation tables for various character sets built-in; you need to use external files. Also, utftovlq does not support UTF-7 and that stuff either. < 1389080104 619265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they are really two different programs for different purposes, although some of the purposes are shared between them. < 1389080136 366984 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: actually, I'm quite confused why 0 and 1 makes differences while the source code seems to be same for both. < 1389080140 546136 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I got it < 1389080183 571110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Like I said, the "write_utf8" function checks this; instead of duplicating the function except for the difference, it just has a condition to check this specific case. < 1389080198 944633 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha! < 1389080234 996850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Both types are the same for input, though.) < 1389080236 17647 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd rather have a simple usage when the program is called without any args... ;) < 1389080254 318794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do that, but I didn't put any in (yet). < 1389080273 851100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program is public domain anyone can make whatever variation of the program you want to. < 1389080282 260886 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and it seems to ignore any UTF-8 errors (including overlong sequences) naturally. < 1389080297 722105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Yes, that is on purpose. < 1389080337 332654 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how `conv_cr` etc is handled :) < 1389080347 971128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1389082312 218577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anyone able to help to make 8x8 graphics for some computer game? < 1389082333 95291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is 32 kind of pieces, 16 for tiles and 16 for sprites. < 1389082408 310727 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389082428 481175 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much are you paying :D < 1389082450 534309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero (too bad!) < 1389082887 953202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, the software is public domain so other people are allowed to sell it too. < 1389082947 981613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But, if you want to do that, it is recommended that you will make the box art too. It is not a requirement, however.) < 1389083487 38951 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.58.47 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389083780 623384 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Have you already searched for public domain game graphics? < 1389083805 730297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: They aren't suitable. < 1389084015 314153 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of graphics are you looking for then? < 1389084079 633472 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are specialized for a specific kind of computer game, for one thing; also, the tiles are mono, and sprites are three colors + transparency (the same three for each one, or up to two different palettes for sprites) < 1389084224 965677 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. ok < 1389084273 502998 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was seriously considering a minimalistic VM suited for 2D (or limited 3D) game programming < 1389084299 244910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Yes, and I was considering a way to make the program fit in a QR code, too. < 1389084301 962966 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use or to make? < 1389084311 893018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But none of this has to do with the game I am making now) < 1389084322 525034 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: which is for me a non-issue though :) < 1389084332 489052 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, I seek for simple and relatively performant implementations < 1389084339 680173 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without sacrificing features < 1389085592 37152 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389086414 771210 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1389087106 936227 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: I forgot to mention yesterday that the rules for conversion to null pointer are also different in every edition of the standards. just saying. < 1389087191 661516 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsigned overflow in C is defined behaviour, right? < 1389087206 537313 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e (uint8_t)(255+1) == (uint8_t)0? < 1389087236 741931 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: yes < 1389087250 584152 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vagely remember an assume wraparound option, but afaik that applies only to signed overflows < 1389087653 790008 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389088679 715025 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a dream where I was watching a Pirates of the Caribbean movie and it opened with Legolas telling the fourth wall how he killed Gilderoy Lockhart to become the new Dread Pirate Roberts < 1389088881 4704 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual Legolas, or the guy who plays Legolas? < 1389088882 453000 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually Legolas < 1389088890 502681 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my brain was aiming for Will Turner and missed < 1389088891 585150 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Will Turner? < 1389088912 422771 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: unsigned integral types in C and C++ always wrap around as if they used modulo a two power, yes < 1389088931 56006 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, the guy Orlando Bloom played in PotC < 1389088954 516078 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: you can still get an undefined behaviour from them if you shift by too large shift count, or if you divide by zero < 1389088959 479042 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but never from addition < 1389088959 685480 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, and he's the one who plays legolas < 1389088971 96474 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1389092472 402618 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in LLVM you can specify whether or not you get undefined behaviour for some arithmetic operations < 1389093346 645565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389093464 316595 :atrapado!~dro@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1389095519 358822 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389096409 204506 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nbgbtdlhtxresoxb QUIT :Changing host < 1389096409 528013 :ggherdov!sid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov JOIN :#esoteric < 1389096409 695788 :ggherdov!sid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov QUIT :Changing host < 1389096409 893833 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nbgbtdlhtxresoxb JOIN :#esoteric < 1389097908 328160 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1389099597 876752 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389099604 780505 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389099918 163595 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1389100299 871331 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1389100765 677266 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389101199 135789 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389101243 545099 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1389101469 283582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389101551 553983 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good CYUL morning! < 1389101565 521652 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lóód < 1389101565 688995 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1389101567 420380 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lóud < 1389101567 587951 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 2d 13h 25m 53s ago: norway is warmer this time of the year. <-- incidentally i saw in the newspaper that the night before yesterday was the fourth hottest january night ever measured (by minimum temperature) in trondheim. (it was 5.1 celsius.) < 1389101567 588112 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 2d 13h 24m 25s ago: http://www.adressa.no/vaeret/article8897643.ece < 1389101642 675135 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan the next logical step is to learn Norwegian. < 1389101642 842684 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1389104514 772417 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1389104889 663313 :monotone_!~monotone@room208.org NICK :polytone < 1389105136 164884 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome atrapado < 1389105136 437484 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13atrapado: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07irc.dal.net.) < 1389105352 55328 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks boily and HackEgo :) < 1389105426 230958 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389105453 414674 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389105524 151353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1389105648 474981 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god mørjangen. < 1389105738 463774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :goily ettermiddag < 1389105796 943905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-foul < 1389105797 112000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 1h 9m 14s ago: the next logical step is to learn Norwegian. < 1389105819 313556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jepp! < 1389106038 412928 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389106218 83939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Lorem ipsum" becomes "Product". <-- heh when i think about it it makes complete sense that google translate would go haywire on variations of this phrase. < 1389106268 369366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is often used as a temporary replacement for text that hasn't yet been written. so if google finds both the before and after versions... < 1389106289 377254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would think one is a translation of the other. < 1389106296 343413 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate autodetects "lorem ipsum" as latin, then translates it into fr:Chine. < 1389106346 954007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: btw case matters in these things. < 1389106447 55277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet consectetuer adipiscing elit sed diam -> This page is designed to explore a computer program to implement the < 1389106477 118092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to remove the commas in it, otherwise it started breaking it up. < 1389106509 373530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lorem ipsum is apparently an actual passage of Latin altered to have a frequency distribution of letters/word lengths matching English < 1389106530 36913 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :la:Lorem → en:Business, la:lorem → en:Internet, la:Ipsum → en:the, la:ipsum → en:it, la:lorem ipsum → en:China, la:lorem Ipsum → en:Product, la:Lorem ipsum → en:Product, la:Lorem Ipsum → en:NATO. < 1389106532 725786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus the result makes no sense < 1389106547 488215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, i doubt that's what's happening. < 1389106575 273881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as i understand it, google translate works by finding pages that it thinks are translations of each other, no? < 1389106576 85844 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'Business Internet the it China Product Product NATO' >wisdom/'lorem ipsum' < 1389106576 263696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I didn't mean to suggest it was < 1389106578 749654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just bringing up trivia < 1389106584 163203 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389106594 211413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's clear why Google Translate is so confued < 1389106679 496277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i think the translations of [Ii]psum alone are fairly correct. it's a pronoun after all. < 1389106699 1155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exact, but something that can often make sense in context. < 1389106841 823312 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latine loqui coactus sum, non. < 1389106887 975584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION boilym coactat < 1389106965 729754 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, "coactat" is “confined”. < 1389106982 876925 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles his way out of oerjan's confinement < 1389107002 410839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i don't think gt finds the right verb < 1389107028 590989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/coacto is what i was going for < 1389107036 191288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only guessing it existed.) < 1389107075 441895 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“to hide”??? < 1389107096 415750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do you find that? < 1389107121 881883 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from your coacto wiktionary page → descendants → french «cacher». < 1389107123 71163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the french descendant < 1389107157 829568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may be a shock to you, but words change meanings. < 1389107210 581825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so the computer term "cache" also derives from this. < 1389107564 557022 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there aren't any official quotation rules for Latin. < 1389107689 679896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use the quotative case < 1389107755 441419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you made that up, right? < 1389107781 624718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got me. < 1389107794 486264 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotative < 1389107874 486328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :once again, reality trumps fiction. < 1389107876 780091 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1389107923 778570 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389108034 674976 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Do not meddle in the affairs of linguists, for you are instrumental and taste good with oblique mustard.” < 1389108088 948058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure instrumental is a case, though. < 1389108140 200472 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instrumental is quite common → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_case < 1389108188 93832 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(strangely, wikipedia doesn't mention Japanese's 「で」) < 1389108227 576365 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :で's more general than the instrumental case < 1389108294 970650 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it doesn't list e.g. latin's ablative either, so i guess it's that < 1389108381 636685 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, the article refers to the comitative. < 1389108799 859102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I had a dream where I was watching a Pirates of the Caribbean movie and it opened with Legolas telling the fourth wall how he killed Gilderoy Lockhart to become the new Dread Pirate Roberts <-- with his sled, i assume. < 1389108862 245809 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of the Fourth Wall, I made a grave mistake yesterday night. I began reading OOTS. < 1389108871 401225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1389108897 886322 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389109147 626104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I used to pay actual money at cybercafés to read OOTS < 1389109159 7211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :before I had friends with Internet connections I could borrow < 1389109192 842012 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this is the first time I've cried at the end of a main-series pokemon game < 1389109201 877925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: X/Y, I take it? < 1389109230 33262 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1389109236 5674 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you need a membership card to borrow friends? < 1389109266 200708 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://deeperdesign.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/is-iron-man-made-of-lego/ < 1389109274 892218 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon matintopia! < 1389109278 521060 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I specify main-series because I probably cried at Mystery Dungeon Red < 1389109279 361803 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup boily < 1389109298 718337 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least I would if I reached it for the first time as I am now < 1389109299 76705 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1389109315 334796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I could also guess the gen 4 Pokémon Mystery Dungeon games, but those probably don't count as main series) < 1389109319 946845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PMD is better with its stories, really < 1389109366 52205 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurray the temp is back up to 12F < 1389109370 245143 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: back in Montréal. < 1389109370 851446 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1389109371 19450 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 071535Z 24015G26KT 4SM -SHSN BKN026 BKN035 M14/M18 A2978 RMK SC6SC1 SLP088 < 1389109381 490978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I have 73-second ping for some reason < 1389109393 278446 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KATL < 1389109393 485047 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KATL 071452Z 33014KT 10SM FEW250 M12/M21 A3050 RMK AO2 SLP348 T11171206 51021 < 1389109394 260518 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: this time i win < 1389109428 389907 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: bleh :p < 1389109452 759918 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what's the proper translation for fr:verglas? < 1389109466 617879 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, describe verglas? < 1389109590 48761 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: when temperature goes over 0 °C, it rains or snow melts, then gets back under zero and you get ice everywhere. < 1389109596 169229 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we call it black ice here < 1389109629 234573 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it is on roads < 1389109636 979024 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing here. «glace noire» is the sneaky ice you get on roads and you can't see until your car's spinning every possible way. < 1389109652 974326 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1389109660 666845 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define __rol__(x) (x << 1u) | (x >> ((sizeof(x) * CHAR_BIT) - 1)) < 1389109666 180029 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- that's probably as good as it can get? < 1389109667 406799 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure there is a perfect translation < 1389109682 470666 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the french for frost or hoarfrost? < 1389109700 219900 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :frost is «givre». let me check on hoarfrost... < 1389109701 689148 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389109787 728553 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoar frost is «gelée blanche». < 1389109810 295746 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389109830 103276 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shnifty < 1389109879 814861 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sournouillard. < 1389110319 645513 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389110728 366752 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define NULL (sizeof "\??/" / sizeof "?/\?") < 1389110837 766415 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahww shoot. < 1389110854 754731 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1389110858 802432 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't account for that. < 1389110897 349642 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: what the trigraphing-fungot are you #defining? < 1389110899 707252 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't do an absolute jump to a 16bit address with an 8bit register and a Code Segment Register < 1389110911 786225 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I can't update the Code Segment Register < 1389110920 947829 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I obviously can't update *before* I take the jump < 1389110927 288359 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: A generic rotate left. < 1389110952 568800 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm unless < 1389110974 387850 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn. < 1389111038 528480 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you, I don't know, like, maybe, #define NULL (0)? < 1389111086 619252 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh whait < 1389111091 256385 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: You meant mauke < 1389111132 391870 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once again foiled by the tab. yes, I meant mauke. < 1389111137 742818 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1389111142 97156 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles mauke “you vile #definer!” < 1389111237 881205 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1389111243 793441 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :having only two registers sucks . < 1389111390 291304 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: FUNGOT! < 1389111421 290224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brave sir fungot ran away < 1389111763 265838 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :NULL is 0, but not really. < 1389111895 72572 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1389112010 467544 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is NULL 0 or not 0? < 1389112010 634964 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's some complicated glass code? :p. ugh i need to install slime. < 1389112012 24543 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: so, what is it, then? < 1389112098 773653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an "implementation-defined null pointer constant" hth < 1389112123 695257 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... NULL is null. tdnh. < 1389112149 591023 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define (funny_type *) 0 < 1389112157 532027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it help if I add that a null pointer constant is an integer constant expression with the value 0, or such an expression cast to type void *. < 1389112157 970439 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :arg. #define NULL etc. < 1389112177 684147 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes. < 1389112240 535332 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so NULL is zero. < 1389112264 141880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a zero cast to a void *. < 1389112274 950043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's the latter, "int i = NULL" is not guaranteed to give you a zero in i. < 1389112303 605606 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I think I now understand the nuance. < 1389112323 801380 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389112325 140693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if it's the former, then printf("%p", NULL); might be undefined. < 1389112326 494345 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, you still can #define NULL (0) and get a non-zero (void *), can you? < 1389112360 124522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define NULL '\0' < 1389112364 757516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean a "not-all-bits-zero (void *)", sure. < 1389112380 268758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will compare equal to zero if it's a null pointer, of course. < 1389112398 954743 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I retract my understanding. < 1389112749 409583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: null understanding, constantly < 1389112838 459795 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf("%p", NULL) should be undefined, yes < 1389112848 187810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the implementation, it's not required to be undefined, though. < 1389112870 701448 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1389112874 890641 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But afaik 0 is a "pointer" literal only at compile time < 1389112886 779446 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actual value at runtime is something else < 1389112963 921997 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 isn't an actual value; it's source code < 1389113367 755733 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: isn't that the idea of "undefined"? < 1389113397 85717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: There's quite a difference between implementation-defined and undefined. < 1389113439 722826 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In printf("%p", NULL), depending on the implementation-defined choice of how to define NULL, the behaviour is either defined or undefined. < 1389113470 120205 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't undefined by specification? < 1389113508 223293 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf("%p",0) is undefined; printf("%p",(void *)0) is defined. < 1389113556 857600 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is NULL in the C specification, or is it just something that some implementations choose to add? < 1389113557 747932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the choice of NULL is implementation-defined, which means the implementation must document its choice. < 1389113573 694668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the specification. < 1389113573 862250 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389113574 528037 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :NULL is in the C standard. < 1389113602 615636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Common definitions -- The macros are NULL which expands to an implementation-defined null pointer constant; and --" < 1389113620 733730 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, but it isn't defined in the specification. excuse my ignorance, it's early yet :) < 1389113678 653690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you get down to the details, C is not a very sane programming language. < 1389113707 630406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"implementation-defined behavior: unspecified behavior where each implementation documents how the choice is made" "unspecified behavior: -- behavior where this International Standard provides two or more possibilities and imposes no further requirements on which is chosen in any instance" "undefined behavior: behavior -- for which this International Standard imposes no requirements" < 1389113757 769806 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thank you :) that's a bit clearer < 1389113779 823112 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf("%p",0) *is* allowed to obtain your GPS coordinates and send a missile your way. < 1389113783 862518 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust is though. < 1389113794 782148 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: sane, or allowed to send missiles? < 1389113799 824035 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :sane. < 1389113815 611503 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :been looking into it lately. for a systems programming language, it boasts some crazy shit. < 1389113837 776510 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only briefly looked at Rust before being distracted by D < 1389113857 592398 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMD uses an outdated object format, that's enough to make me not use it. < 1389113865 797530 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outdated how? < 1389113879 762379 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't use D, I just tried it out for a bit) < 1389113881 155582 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses OMF. < 1389113888 494671 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :run the other way. < 1389113899 143778 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :as fast. as you can. < 1389113914 966375 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's terrible. < 1389113920 800438 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And LDC, the LLVM compiler? < 1389113921 225662 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMF is short for OMFG < 1389113926 52124 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL. < 1389113934 684265 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: I haven't used that. < 1389113943 25147 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably just become available. < 1389113948 110836 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used D in like 2011. < 1389113996 728381 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so you probably used D1? < 1389114019 798940 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :...No. < 1389114030 982221 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used D2. < 1389114057 193580 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Hrm. I don't know enough about OMF to know what is so bad about it :P < 1389114063 788532 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389114086 392218 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor do I care strongly about D.. But I am interested now, since it's apparently terrible :P < 1389114127 922895 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMF is microsoft's Object Module Format. < 1389114133 325604 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's outdated as fuuuuuuuuuuck. < 1389114172 960192 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: You'd be surprised by how many people still fuck to this very day. < 1389114188 223870 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, right. < 1389114200 540569 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust, however, looks.. and feels interesting. < 1389114207 873726 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :optional garbage collection? safe borrowed pointers? < 1389114221 216666 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bitchin' haskell-like type system? < 1389114227 135700 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too lazy for optional garbage collection. < 1389114235 242765 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurrr. < 1389114243 27521 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's as simple as adding a sigil in front of a value. < 1389114243 756153 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Rust's pointer are glorious. < 1389114253 134322 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/er/ers < 1389114271 175807 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1389114337 209699 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :their structure of ownership for objects is orgasmic. < 1389114338 782934 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The macros also interest me. That's about as much as I remember about Rusy < 1389114350 769107 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/sy/st < 1389114352 515512 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :macros in my eyes look like lisp macros. < 1389114363 988990 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :a much, much better alternative than C's preprocessor macros. < 1389114368 515152 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed. I prefer Scheme macros to Lisp macros, though. < 1389114377 142673 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed. < 1389114377 983620 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming you mean CL) < 1389114383 238922 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme is just cleaner in general. < 1389114389 705395 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :CL is full of legacy industrial shit. < 1389114401 158208 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never got around to actually using all of it. < 1389114405 224913 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My thoughts exactly, That's what got me using Scheme in the first place. < 1389114415 214075 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :racket's gotta be my favorite dialect. < 1389114432 56784 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Chicken at the moment, simply because it's the one I learned with. < 1389114461 657305 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: http://docs.racket-lang.org/unstable/2d.html < 1389114491 175298 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it awesome?! < 1389114554 948526 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. It really is. < 1389114921 788482 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1389115265 481715 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389115346 389556 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to learn Rust < 1389115350 198166 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not very good at it < 1389115388 733672 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389115395 144905 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389116021 400000 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1389116047 278640 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389116073 88459 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389116227 212474 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1389116689 245816 :qlkzy_!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a JOIN :#esoteric < 1389116877 840583 :CADD_!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wctpixucndbktwpz JOIN :#esoteric < 1389117127 363351 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1389117138 490104 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1389117145 572893 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1389117156 273806 :CADD!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ukxbjokcwwtzhwco QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1389117192 777489 :CADD_!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wctpixucndbktwpz NICK :CADD < 1389117196 170966 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1389117250 433198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389117301 498284 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389117305 425859 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389117307 583727 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389117311 229930 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389117323 424875 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1389117323 592273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389117535 955780 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com NICK :{} < 1389117541 304424 :{}!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com NICK :LinearInterpol < 1389117680 956817 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42892.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1389117986 555239 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389118158 216623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1389118160 507968 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1389118201 568135 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1389118265 736460 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389118269 857508 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389118270 372236 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389118298 736543 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389118302 858773 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389118303 373764 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389118331 746941 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389118335 867808 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389118336 382319 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389118385 774605 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389118386 369931 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1389118389 896264 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389118390 412099 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389120477 882741 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: the @-boxes in Rust aren't actually garbage collected, yet < 1389120481 566999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are just reference-counted < 1389120495 173199 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh? < 1389120517 475561 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the future it's likely that Gc, Rc, and Arc will coexist in the language (the latter is "atomic reference counting" that can be shared between threads) < 1389120522 954178 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are mutable versions of each, too < 1389120534 545416 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389120543 878019 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :any box with automatic memory management is an ownership root and so determines the mutability of its contents < 1389120557 721508 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1389120592 857785 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new dynamically sized types are a great concept. < 1389120608 387112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they would come in handy for some things I'm doing, for sure < 1389120629 648103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like making a generic linked list which can hold trait objects without an additional indirection < 1389120678 627694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like owned vectors and slices won't be subsumed by DSTs though... that is ~[T] and &[T] will still be special even if [T] is now a valid type < 1389120687 851228 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't been following the details that closely < 1389120748 676153 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389120800 822956 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389121030 926689 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we have any Lispbots in the channel? < 1389121042 988504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what other systems have undefined behavior, besides C? < 1389121047 9588 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a lisbot < 1389121056 405163 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++, LLVM, electronic components < 1389121070 617019 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: a bot that exthecutes Lipth code < 1389121104 386895 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst joke < 1389121110 507721 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly CPU architectures don't, modulo errata < 1389121127 398418 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I do try < 1389121134 306752 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are those undocumented instructions on the NMOS 6502 < 1389121147 651032 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not defined to be undefined, though :p < 1389121156 602147 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: a lisbot is also the main protagonist of a Scandinavian book series. hth. < 1389121160 869548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is now!! < 1389121171 821196 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm going to try playing portal on my linux computer < 1389121175 185498 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this gonna be good < 1389121176 331871 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I finally learned what hth stands for. < 1389121188 801067 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose POSIX has undefined behavior < 1389121224 247047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :man I need to publish that blog post before somebody scoops my trick of using read() into .text to do self modifying code < 1389121241 792822 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because really, who doesn't want to do that. < 1389121278 877127 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1389121280 859121 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1389121294 797944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed that the LED lights in my living room will glitch when somebody's using the electric stove lighter in the kitchen < 1389121415 437479 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not fair. "An ActionScript error has occurred: TypeError: Error #1009: Cannot access a property or method of a null object reference. at BotaniculaLinux/invokeHandler()" < 1389121430 275151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn types < 1389121471 166890 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a null pointer error? i think it is < 1389121525 158828 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is < 1389121572 265040 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what is an electric stove lighter? < 1389121577 612897 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1389121591 782823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, yeah, I guess that's a bit ambiguous < 1389121626 817906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stove is gas-powered but there's a circuit which makes a spark near each burner to light them < 1389121632 908120 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Female presenters at scientific mtgs increase 72%, when even one convener is a woman" wow < 1389121643 640495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :convener? < 1389121699 820900 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's a typo for convener, lol. < 1389121717 792798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the same word to me, but anyway ,what does it meen? < 1389121721 804301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean* god < 1389121741 141783 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :person convening the meeting < 1389121772 132343 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i thought it says 'covener' but it doens't. go me < 1389121814 777616 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://mbio.asm.org/content/5/1/e00846-13.full) < 1389121886 248391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dailydot.com/politics/mpaa-joins-world-wide-web-consortium-w3c/ < 1389121949 486401 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw. < 1389122179 884622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1389122336 747689 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389122555 665635 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... interesting. it starts up on my netbook. < 1389122557 973670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389122699 722264 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also starts inside vnc, wtf. < 1389124192 62582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that was weird < 1389124222 567713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :before I rebooted, shortcut keys were working, but I couldn't enter text < 1389124253 978657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the part of the system that translated keypresses to Unicode was broken, but the keyboard driver itself was fine < 1389124344 867882 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to have a special ability with keyboard problems < 1389124371 466085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389124381 371165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was system-wide, though < 1389124389 141932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, gksudo and Unity could still understand me typing < 1389124393 787337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because they capture the keyboard < 1389124678 806289 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder who of ais523 or zzo38 has the weirdest setup... < 1389124702 816359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely zzo38 < 1389124769 933387 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought so. < 1389124849 654747 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenERP lesson of the day: it's not because something is called sequence that it is a sequence, or it is called sequence. it is priority, when not being a sequence called sequence. < 1389125080 691002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what are you using OpenERP for < 1389125208 622446 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: current job. < 1389125249 192552 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :erp erp erp < 1389125418 860804 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION records kmc's call on a cassette recorder < 1389125454 241116 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1389125574 254108 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :com'ere birdie birdie poot poot! ?! < 1389125608 442932 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat http://youtu.be/aeaPanpU-iw < 1389126525 538140 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, botanicula works properly now. I had managed to disable the RANDR X11 extension. < 1389126590 696180 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is odd; the extensions that I tried to disable was XINERAMA. Oh well, the mysteries of bad software.) < 1389126644 202168 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably AMD's fault somehow :) < 1389127244 85535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :RANDR exports the multi-screen geometry via the Xinerama protocol, so it's not like those are completely separate things. < 1389127796 720725 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389128571 20934 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389128662 423762 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1389128918 722537 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42892.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389129134 736312 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389129616 56050 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's still AMD's fault. < 1389129632 530835 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389129821 703798 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1389129821 985875 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 072100Z 23024G38KT 15SM SCT080 SCT130 BKN240 M14/M23 A2982 RMK AC3AC1CI3 SLP103 < 1389129827 342743 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh. still windy. < 1389130219 30029 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389130219 177303 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: DOUBLE CHICKEN < 1389130263 973735 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1389130566 408339 :atrapado!~dro@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1389130616 451427 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389130777 431478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The weather people are saying that winter will come here on Friday. < 1389131009 707537 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389131522 623425 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KBGR < 1389131535 878140 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1389131718 222076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1389132016 937964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1389132471 813049 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kingjamesprogramming.tumblr.com/post/71646704753 < 1389132969 951509 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1389133144 15679 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is still my favorite: http://kingjamesprogramming.tumblr.com/post/71300641964/the-truth-of-the-matter-is-that-in-a-language < 1389133298 981708 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And the God of the Hebrews, How long wilt thou refuse to go forth, this is the normal state of affairs in conventional compiler-based language systems such as C." < 1389133306 400998 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh why hast thou forsaken me god! < 1389133311 849765 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389133342 688902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody should do this for KJV and ISO 9899 < 1389133367 957486 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Quran and Gravitation by Misner Wheeler and Thorpe < 1389133374 558668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1389133376 846157 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Book of the Dead and the Origin of Species < 1389133404 789140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls Gravitation as that book with the suspiciously self-describing name < 1389133406 629754 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever I saw that (impressively thick) _Gravitation_ book in the campus bookstore I would pick it up and drop it a few feet < 1389133412 329499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a-yep < 1389133421 326162 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gravitation is pretty thick < 1389133428 44601 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though not the thickest science book around < 1389133430 492724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking gravity, how does it work? < 1389133434 292927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out nobody's quite sure < 1389133436 27981 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's no Handbook of Physics and Chemistry < 1389133446 583436 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1389133447 474917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quran, on the other hand, is not so big iirc < 1389133465 609933 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitation_(manga) I guess it is impressively thick? < 1389133470 160997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe do the talmud instead. < 1389133507 905573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: wrong reference hth < 1389133516 805069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"impressively thick" brings something else to mind when we're talking about yaoi < 1389133529 282244 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaoi has impressively big hands < 1389133543 316096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh think yaoi is a pretty cool guy < 1389133552 588704 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bigyaoihandsyndrome.tumblr.com/ < 1389133559 73166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not clicking that at work < 1389133567 152595 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh < 1389133572 885014 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There isn't much naughtiness < 1389133578 373619 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though there are barechested dudes < 1389133581 542944 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And much gayness < 1389133585 379205 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With huge hands < 1389133651 586752 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And Jacob called the name of the variable, preceded by a question mark." < 1389133653 116219 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheh < 1389133700 654560 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, I know the chap who runs King James Programming < 1389133713 47457 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it Moses < 1389133745 380418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: say hi for me, also tell him to do King James ISO 9899 < 1389133770 757443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if "chap" and "bloke" would ever be gender-neutral the way that en_US "guy" sometimes is < 1389133797 33847 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to use "chap" more and more gender neutral < 1389133803 837132 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe ladies are "hags" in good ol' britain < 1389133813 414218 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wot wot < 1389133815 528544 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, he says he doesn't have evidence that he isn't Moses < 1389133817 808304 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pardon me guvnahs < 1389133828 402800 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants a banger in the mouth < 1389133840 358610 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU THREATENING ME < 1389133854 566612 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, either that, or asking if you'd like a sausage < 1389133879 786714 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take that as you will < 1389133942 78576 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gravitation is a great book < 1389133947 302384 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is a terrible textbook < 1389133954 297551 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even worst than a Feynman book < 1389133964 90106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*worse hth < 1389133970 696908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just quoting a TV show < 1389133991 894651 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the kind of textbook with no fucking structure < 1389133998 737401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :much like spacetime < 1389134014 133539 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spacetime has so much fucking structure man < 1389134017 854596 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the structuriest < 1389134445 791463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: whoaaaaa < 1389134451 481624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5 *  2 < 1389134452 900046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10 < 1389134486 339584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wraps up kmc in a ricci tensor < 1389134523 692515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1389134528 349130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5 * -2 < 1389134529 398365 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Precedence parsing error < 1389134529 475705 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : cannot mix `GHC.Num.*' [infixl 7] and prefix `-' [infixl 6] in the same ... < 1389134532 858271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so < 1389134543 655814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode > 5 *  2 < 1389134547 83260 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+003E GREATER-THAN SIGN] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+0035 DIGIT FIVE] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+002A ASTERISK] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+1680 OGHAM SPACE MARK] [U+0032 DIGIT TWO] < 1389134551 364645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> generalCategory ' ' < 1389134552 675820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Space < 1389134554 981598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the best Space < 1389134567 183210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text (filter isSpace ['\0'..]) < 1389134568 680961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   ᠎               < 1389134571 433659 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ouch. < 1389134590 770087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⁢ < 1389134592 489529 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2062 INVISIBLE TIMES] < 1389134609 122747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but where's INVISIBLE THAMES < 1389134611 316970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f x = x^2; x = 3 in f x < 1389134612 824887 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9 < 1389134632 33664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :VISIBLE SPACE < 1389134801 378863 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode MULTIOCULAR O < 1389134802 945440 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1389134822 981399 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O < 1389134824 411330 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ꙮ < 1389134859 378746 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :/whois mauke < 1389134870 82507 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You monster < 1389134881 438220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some scoundrel < 1389134891 825570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode / < 1389134893 192841 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+002F SOLIDUS] < 1389134918 791001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode \ < 1389134920 363391 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+005C REVERSE SOLIDUS] < 1389134935 730615 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ꙮ < 1389134937 359127 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1143) A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric." < 1389134971 589641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obligatory complaint that ꙮ is Letter, Other < 1389134979 596631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still that's an awesome poem :) < 1389134987 337873 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of my unicode poetry days < 1389134993 374641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I was looking that up the other day < 1389134999 640795 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote HIRAGANA < 1389135001 29645 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389135003 323388 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanted to see if `unidecode had all the characters but it hasn't :( < 1389135009 689479 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you can't spell sweden without wede" < 1389135020 876153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn wede < 1389135022 71602 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "wede". < 1389135034 970867 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode MAHJONG TILE AUTUMN < 1389135036 406050 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​🀨 < 1389135040 281842 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode HIRAGANA LETTER YA < 1389135041 868331 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​や < 1389135045 465190 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW < 1389135047 58088 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⛄ < 1389135053 518881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess if chaucer did weed he might spell it that way < 1389135084 991208 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know the limerick anymore. something about mathematical bold digit seven < 1389135133 345686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW is the best code point < 1389135170 102437 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really is. as if it was made to be the last line of a haiku < 1389135175 371496 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "zen" < 1389135176 576770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW lived in INVISIBLE TIMES < 1389135194 871441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:13 < nooodl> HEXAGRAM FOR THE CREATIVE HEAVEN < 1389135194 951356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:13 < nooodl> MATHEMATICAL BOLD DIGIT SEVEN < 1389135194 951557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:13 < nooodl> KANGXI RADICAL WHITE < 1389135194 951653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:13 < nooodl> VERTICAL TRAFFIC LIGHT < 1389135195 249385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:13 < nooodl> NEGATIVE CIRCLED NUMBER ELEVEN < 1389135209 46314 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"may you live in invisible times" < 1389135236 623737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's what i think every time < 1389135249 795359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 򯀨や⛄ < 1389135251 275344 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+DA7C DUNNO] [U+DC28 DUNNO] [U+3084 HIRAGANA LETTER YA] [U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW] < 1389135258 179454 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking screen < 1389135295 681811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🀨や⛄ < 1389135297 76465 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+D83C DUNNO] [U+DC28 DUNNO] [U+3084 HIRAGANA LETTER YA] [U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW] < 1389135309 18481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't help. < 1389135314 640090 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mauke.hopto.org/stuff/javascript/unicode.html?q=%F0%9F%80%A8%E3%82%84%E2%9B%84 < 1389135340 223432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so `unicode supports characters `unidecode doesn't < 1389135350 657646 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode.html does both < 1389135359 458584 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389135378 949398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: i think the point was to try to get HackEgo to cite the poem < 1389135394 877300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes that "tile" is only debatably one syllable < 1389135400 753459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid english < 1389135412 248959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we were writing in Hangul we wouldn't have this problem!!!! < 1389135447 106589 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I though it failed because I'm IRCing through GNU Screen which doesn't do non-BMP chars < 1389135467 133261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered using something that isn't GNU Screen < 1389135492 614080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well you did not paste the right character, but `unidecode didn't handle the right character either. < 1389135505 686060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/sh: 1: Syntax error: EOF in backquote substitution < 1389135542 98768 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/exec -o is always a game of Russian roulette < 1389135552 765719 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ䷀𝟕⽩🚦⓫ < 1389135554 180361 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+4DC0 HEXAGRAM FOR THE CREATIVE HEAVEN] [U+D835 DUNNO] [U+DFD5 DUNNO] [U+2F69 KANGXI RADICAL WHITE] [U+D83D DUNNO] [U+DEA6 DUNNO] [U+24EB NEGATIVE CIRCLED NUMBER ELEVEN] < 1389135564 378179 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, those are surrogate pairs < 1389135573 134898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :/exec -ꙮ < 1389135581 967446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$`unidecode \xf0\x9f\x80\xa8\xe3\x82\x84\xe2\x9b\x84 < 1389135585 752201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rage face < 1389135595 77799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i bet my sh isn't bash or some shit < 1389135609 166670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: btw i'm irc'ing through tmux and am having no problem. < 1389135780 731227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://andrej.com/fan.html < 1389135797 554440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll create an andrej bauer fan club < 1389135819 949830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll create an andrej bauer fan club creators fan club < 1389136238 625783 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1389136455 968536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~cangiuli/sigbovik/unintentional.pdf < 1389136605 885514 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Γ ⊢ FIXME: are these equal? < 1389136712 630736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also cited http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rjsimmon/random/bovik2007.pdf < 1389136797 846921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good introduction and elimination rules < 1389137481 871382 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kjprejects.tumblr.com/ < 1389137530 375472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1389137539 211778 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just created < 1389137554 451058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :King James ISO 9899 doooo it < 1389137567 214948 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not in charge! < 1389137572 320151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you Know A Guy < 1389137583 623758 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Know A Chap < 1389137590 678018 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's... not any difference < 1389137665 332905 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so it came to pass that signed overflow?? < 1389137788 285905 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389138117 800985 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1389138753 511250 :gwinbee!~upupdownd@74-133-97-136.dhcp.insightbb.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389138831 311099 :gwinbee!~upupdownd@74-133-97-136.dhcp.insightbb.com PART #esoteric :"The last Metroid is in captivity. The Galaxy is at peace." < 1389139244 463076 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389139484 596025 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Video: The Essence of C++ (Stroustrup)" < 1389139488 654574 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ has an essence? < 1389139519 307125 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has an evil spirit < 1389139549 840864 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to think I should use Eclipse < 1389139557 258695 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are Eclipse plugins for Haskell, Erlang < 1389139564 182108 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a lot of other languages < 1389139611 176719 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An Eclipse plugin, currently available with CLISP (for WinXP, Macos, Linux) and SBCL (Macos, Linux). It supports the developer with syntax analyses 'as you type' (limited), syntax highlighting, code completion, parenthesis matching, apropos and a listener." < 1389139620 982226 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is SBCL so stereotyped as being anti-Windows? < 1389139640 693818 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, it's been relatively nice to me. < 1389139983 392049 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because when you booted it it said shit about evil cats < 1389140096 321298 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was in the runtime for some absurd reason, so you couldn't remove it < 1389140578 217965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat cat < 1389140580 229970 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meow~~ < 1389142554 187338 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1389142585 503989 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1389142627 758207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1389142911 367737 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1389143992 81252 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389144812 735281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it does!! < 1389144875 415869 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why I say that C++ is a bad language that's bad in a way opposite to most bad languages < 1389144948 390474 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP bad is certainly different from C++ bad < 1389144949 851949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a elaborate and conceptually cohesive design by some very smart people attempting some very ambitious goals (which few others have even attempted) and it kinda collapses under its own weight < 1389144957 748474 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not just a bunch of unrelated crap thrown together, although that's all most people learn it as :( < 1389144984 634994 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is definitely too big < 1389144998 307108 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is definitely just a bunch of crap thrown together < 1389145011 444693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of the problems with C++ follow from a small number of onerous design requirements < 1389145014 467824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of which are questionable < 1389145034 201257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a reason behind everything < 1389145050 225626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like PHP where you ask "why is it done this way" and rasmus lerdorf just flips you off < 1389145100 924264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Within C++, there is a much smaller and cleaner language struggling to get out. " — Bjarne Stroustrup < 1389145116 785400 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it called C? < 1389145120 514171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1389145132 386661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be called Rust, at least that's the most credible choice I know of < 1389145146 583643 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust is nice < 1389145150 424854 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think D is more C++ though < 1389145158 435945 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389145165 979206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :D doesn't aspire to memory safety the way C++ does < 1389145187 76577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, the way Rust does < 1389145196 343668 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust aspires to memory safety, but not quite in the way C++ does either < 1389145200 56969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although C++ does aspire to memory safety to a much greater degree than is realized by the "C with crap thrown in" crowd < 1389145211 921202 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAII? < 1389145233 187281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people say things like "C arrays and std::vector are feature duplication!" but really, you use the former to implemen the latter < 1389145243 948404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to implement other more specialized memory-safe containers < 1389145245 118815 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except < 1389145250 929572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really make it memory safe < 1389145256 149373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of iterator invalidation and related issues < 1389145261 640566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's where Rust has to pull in some research ideas < 1389145287 331570 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, C++ *is* C with crap thrown in, it's just a bit more complicated than "we wrote stuff that's like C, but different". < 1389145307 2012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That depends on what you mean by "C arrays". < 1389145310 43445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you counting new[]? < 1389145333 716988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389145349 620900 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead it's "we've got a bunch of desired semantics, and we've got to make it work on something that's different from C in only trivial ways." < 1389145377 95147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: my point is that idiomatic C++ is a completely different beast from idiomatic C. it's not like "write C but also use these other random features when they seem useful" < 1389145381 978176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that's what ~everybody does in practice < 1389145407 771866 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes, idiomatic C++ is a very different beast from C++ in-the-wild. < 1389145423 393123 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because doing things The C++ Way requires mastering too many concepts and has too many unfortunate practical consequences < 1389145433 358216 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly with C++11, which makes it reasonable to actually The C++ Way. < 1389145442 820909 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does idiomatic C++ exist? < 1389145537 199747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere < 1389145548 803151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parts of Boost might be considered "idiomatic C++" by definition < 1389145564 40319 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to tell where "idiomatic C++" ends and "terrifying abuse of the language" begins, which is part of the problem < 1389145590 145531 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, kmc, you're definitely right. C++ is bad because of having design goals that result in something awful when combined, rather than hardly being designed. < 1389145600 553461 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is pretty unique. < 1389145611 355421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boost has a lot of nice stuff, though, and it's not fair how people judge this large, heterogenous collection of libraries by its most excessive parts < 1389145620 421139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yep < 1389145632 159712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I would argue that you can do much better if you remove just one or two of those design goals < 1389145662 827966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first ones I would drop are syntactic (near-)compatibility with C, and total compatibility with a C-style build incl. header files etc < 1389145664 593592 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just making it not have to pretend to be C would probably help matters decently. < 1389145667 14191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1389145688 661539 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately that feature is probably what made it successful. :P < 1389145704 619947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use Rust as basically that, and still do unsafe crap everywhere if you like < 1389145720 848334 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you still lose some powerful C++ features < 1389145749 216491 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking more in terms of marketing in this... < 1389145751 670705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that I say "powerful" and not "nice". those C++ features are Not Your Friend but they can do amazing stuff) < 1389145759 374034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :foremost, templates < 1389145781 965311 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea that C++ is "C version 2" probably helped a lot. < 1389145787 676194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389145791 148908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies are very effective for marketing < 1389145799 511163 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1389145807 58768 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially ones that aren't obvious. < 1389145832 177977 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, C++ looks a lot *like* it's C version 2. (by design) < 1389145873 2386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1389145876 628246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do Java and C# < 1389145890 424734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite being fundamentally different < 1389145895 422317 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To a lesser extent, but yeah. < 1389145914 569547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java was successfully marketed as a "C++ replacement" because people were using C++ for the wrong kinds of things (but for lack of alternatives, so was it really "wrong"?) < 1389145969 623640 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly they should have been using ANSI Common Lisp all along. < 1389146703 326319 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you lose templates? < 1389146781 165876 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I don't like about C++ templates is using < > for delimiters for the template syntax; it can cause a lot of confusion < 1389146815 413224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust has generics, but they act much more like traditional parametric polymorphism (with typeclass bounds), rather than the... exotic mixture of polymorphism, macros, and type introspection that is C++ templates < 1389146843 549921 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust has macros too but likewise < 1389146859 769781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do things with C++ templates that you can't easily do with polymorphism + macros, even together < 1389146875 282623 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of things, for example? < 1389146910 99690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :type introspection, data structures that ask if the parameter type is a pointer or a reference or whether it has a virtual destructor and does different things < 1389146934 697511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK < 1389146949 779620 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389146982 551908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this kinda stuffs http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/type_traits/ < 1389146995 271151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how much does it really help? < 1389147003 608487 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1389147004 858727 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool tho < 1389147020 728979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem so helpful. < 1389147052 409963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of those things might be useful, but some doesn't seem like very good. < 1389147081 959758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as an example, the Rust compiler has a special case to represent Option (which is like Haskell's Maybe T) as one word, when T is a non-nullable pointer (so NULL can be used for None) < 1389147092 577052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems like you could do that in C++ purely in library code < 1389147099 243888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't tried, though < 1389147126 121288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The special case is for any ADT that's obviously like Option, isn't it? < 1389147132 214133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1389147146 385302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not for Option by name, but for any type with the same structure < 1389147150 216153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. I think you get it automatically for the equivalent of Either () T < 1389147153 971803 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1389147164 640394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't generalize out to n-ary enums where n-1 of the ctors are nullary, though :/ < 1389147191 913674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :reserve the first page of addresses for nullary enum discriminants! < 1389147192 10803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is only for optimization then such a special case is probably OK, if it is controlled by the optimization setting. < 1389147210 309275 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think it's controlled by the optimization setting, because it's part of the ABI? < 1389147216 225488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i have to go, ttyl though < 1389147226 745507 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it is part of the ABI. < 1389147226 849771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that ghc ignores {-# UNPACK #-} with -O0 < 1389147545 201802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU C supports a "typeof" operator, which can do some of kind of things, such as typeof(*(X)0) might make the type of what X is being pointed to, but it won't do much with the normal C codes, although it still would have a few uses in macros. < 1389147590 981268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the C++ type adjustments stuff can be done in this way. < 1389147700 891356 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore I have made up the (draft) specification which has struct/union with parameters, so using this, typeof becomes more useful, and so do many other things. Does Rust have "typeof" operator? Haskell doesn't seem to have, although perhaps similar things can be done in other ways, using the GHC extensions. < 1389147824 490975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ type traits seems to have a lot of things, much seems not so useful, or can cause confusion in some cases. < 1389147835 807375 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, maybe there is a use of it. < 1389147883 96101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does seem to me like a lot of these features could be simplified by using typeof instead. < 1389148087 212674 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1389148201 850716 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389148332 988105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the features may seem to be useful for optimization though; maybe it would help to define another file which is used to specify which optimizations are possible, and if applicable (inside of a #master block) which modules it is applicable to. < 1389148504 102560 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, Either<(),T> does get optimized by rustc. < 1389148542 119336 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that. < 1389148547 549686 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more generally, it may optimize enum Foo { Null, NonNull(uint, uint, uint, ~uint, uint) } since the NonNull variant has a non-nullable field < 1389150469 527290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i didn't know about that < 1389150604 85288 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and the gotcha is that Option<(uint,uint,uint,~uint,uint)> does not get optimized currently (though it's isomorphic to Foo above) ;) < 1389150612 636508 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is an issue about it < 1389150662 305751 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#9378. < 1389151477 357502 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389153561 341682 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1389153900 894510 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389154007 396830 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389154152 347412 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1389154266 299362 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389155000 29856 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389155074 164949 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1389155621 957538 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1389155631 990294 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1389155717 830628 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389155769 229298 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1389156294 318143 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I finally got an electric kettle. < 1389156298 136388 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did I live previously. < 1389156341 988442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :steam-powered, obviously. < 1389156346 139862 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ContT < 1389156347 399822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a -> m r) -> m r) -> ContT r m a < 1389156360 108129 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be nice if IO came with a ContT-like function < 1389156367 797064 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So IO instead of ContT r IO < 1389156371 510906 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they are not a common thing in the US.) < 1389156404 296984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You would have to do it yourself, but Haskell lacks the macros to do it conveniently. < 1389156455 795944 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe not < 1389156481 263442 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A single ContT r IO a is basically ... one marker that the continuation is delimited at < 1389156494 467571 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1389156528 968743 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/1b8wzp/my_shot_at_cont/c94v11y < 1389156606 446766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an electric kettle is not as good for making moonshine < 1389156644 139122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ContT can be used for other things too, like this example: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Bruijndejx A lot of other similar things can be done too, with continuation monads. < 1389156733 934912 :karlenarencibia!~danila@186.89.55.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389156773 931803 :karlenarencibia!~danila@186.89.55.164 PART :#esoteric < 1389156813 933224 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yeah, but who cares? < 1389156835 936122 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here in Missouri we don't need surreptitious distilling. < 1389156851 648607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who have electric kettles and who want to make moonshine, would care. If you don't want to make any such things, then you shouldn't care. < 1389156856 682601 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stills are perfectly legal for personal use. < 1389156973 138557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :distilling your own booze sounds fun tho < 1389156985 291607 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a J monad. I do not know what it does. < 1389157008 151942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Where is it in? If you have its definition, then you can learn. < 1389157010 557507 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course searching for it gives hits regarding J's different use of the term 'monad' < 1389157014 995111 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. And you can do up to 100 gallons of it. < 1389157018 241178 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be as cool as the OMEGA MONAD < 1389157019 152761 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/9clsr/wanted_applications_of_the_j_monad/ < 1389157029 21929 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 gallons of azeotropic ethanol? Sure! < 1389157123 620010 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got an electric kettle for christmas, after trying and failing to boil water in a microwave < 1389157124 889946 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about 8 × 10^9 joules < 1389157130 101791 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and british people on irc asked me what the fuck i was doing < 1389157143 143448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :british people on irc ask me what the fuck i'm doing every day < 1389157147 416539 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the typical American thing to do. < 1389157149 125278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, there it is; furthermore, it is the same as (CodensityAsk (Op r)) which I think I might have proven. < 1389157158 177556 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out boiling water in the microwave is shitty. < 1389157164 402161 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. yes, it is < 1389157166 155729 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have even less idea what CodensityAsk is < 1389157170 377458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Therefore, the Escardo's S monad is also same as CodensityAsk Predicate) < 1389157182 388121 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why I am wondering how I lived. < 1389157203 289208 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well good to know it will be all my boiling water-related dreams and more < 1389157208 76518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype CodensityAsk f x = CodensityAsk (forall r. f r -> (x -> r) -> r) < 1389157219 737759 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, infinite search in finite time < 1389157280 38853 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://math.andrej.com/2008/11/21/a-haskell-monad-for-infinite-search-in-finite-time/ < 1389157285 359602 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of those functions already have names < 1389157323 609611 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :search is the only one I don't recognize as either being Monad or ... there's another typeclass that union makes me think of, MonadPlus? < 1389157334 505917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One feature of CodensityAsk is that if (Comonad f), then (MonadPlus (CodensityAsk f)). < 1389157592 842599 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This forces the sets to be non-empty, but has a defect: it also forces the find operator to tell lies when there is no correct element it can choose. " < 1389157593 730663 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1389158112 158467 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously need to compare and contrast Rebol PARSE with monadic parsing < 1389158123 634421 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know enough about the former < 1389158274 828762 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rebol tends to suffer the same way as concatenative languages from being difficult to read when there are unfamiliar functions present :/ < 1389158313 77754 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also from its love of doing exactly what I hate about dynamic typing culture < 1389158398 22314 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I once decided though that Rebol strictly > Tcl < 1389158615 130656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nit < 1389158622 677446 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.red-lang.org/2013/11/041-introducing-parse.html claims that PARSE is composable < 1389158628 996231 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that the rules are < 1389158686 418932 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1389158755 488642 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389158951 990306 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389159063 584138 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrmph, I don't think I agree with this slideshow's assessment of Rebol as having "dynamic binding" < 1389159075 755548 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, .... I confused binding and scoping < 1389159086 775175 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says definitional scoping. Which... ok < 1389159275 508281 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self-hosting reminds me of nomic. If you have a bug before you self host, that bug could stay there forever and be unfixable without anyone even noticing < 1389159278 718238 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1389159479 565988 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, rebol's approach to Internet protocols is.... icky < 1389159483 242385 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Global names for schemes < 1389159500 903216 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being able to type irc:// is SO valuable, let's give up modularity < 1389159508 584119 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if Red will fix things like that < 1389160387 714122 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389160518 32178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: CodensityAsk should just be called Free or something. < 1389160539 425788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I know the name "CodensityAsk" is not so good, but "Free" refers to something else. < 1389160564 890117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Free monad. < 1389160575 625694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's a big abuse of the name Free. So many things are free. < 1389160580 151711 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389160587 437697 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that < 1389160615 132567 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389160883 116046 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1389161219 431205 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389161298 411848 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1389161321 868986 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389161824 570084 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389161872 955329 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389162024 858460 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1389162555 121669 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389163900 142555 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389164355 514352 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389165589 553192 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha, there was a big security incident in South Korea which exposed at least 130 million records of personal records from three credit card companies. < 1389165784 483116 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stupidly enough that was because they out-sourced the fraud detection system development to the other company and employees can easily access those informations < 1389165812 70776 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, the whole company is a great test bed for crackers :S < 1389166098 783602 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389166241 775787 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389167284 977123 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389167402 785289 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389167524 916659 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.173 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1389168679 759157 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389169109 50714 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389169131 64368 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389169944 948654 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389170553 793394 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389171568 533222 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1389171572 926850 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389171804 989065 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1389171841 910353 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389172437 325955 :hogeyui___!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1389172957 284593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some nondeterminism in my sox. :/ < 1389173022 176767 :rntz^2!~rntz@eos.sp.cs.cmu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389173048 801813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! You have to put a question mark so that you can question yourself? < 1389173168 871810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some nondeterminism in my sox? < 1389173442 569123 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1389173479 134739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "Ouch" a proper name for a magical familiar in case they need to have a proper name (for any reason)? < 1389173528 687608 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew, people actually write "concat [[x], xs]" < 1389173621 973124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do? < 1389173628 321962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1389173643 876887 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least some of the students here < 1389173766 831937 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: can you fail them for that? < 1389173790 99559 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly not < 1389173825 372457 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also got [x] ++ xs sometimes < 1389173858 997970 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even worse: foo (x:xs] | x:xs == [] = [] < 1389173874 509417 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*) < 1389173930 326654 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: winners < 1389174037 498244 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of doubt they did proper testing < 1389174084 952696 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dock all the grades < 1389174120 36622 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but worst thing i have seen so far is < 1389174123 444545 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^4 - 2^3 < 1389174126 31803 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric := 10 - 0 < 1389174127 342636 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric := 8 < 1389175552 492067 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (or someone else) do you know a proof that a countable subshift has 0 entropy other than stuff about the variational principle? < 1389175635 211639 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the variational principle: for subshifts, you can always find a measure of maximal entropy. such measures form a compact simplex so there's an extremal point. but an extremal point is clearly a periodic orbit.) < 1389175671 656361 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and periodic orbits quite obviously have 0 entropy) < 1389175711 515622 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first occurrence of "entropy" in my message being topological < 1389176255 570377 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1389177342 149079 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^4 - 2^3 is 8 < 1389177393 810765 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:10:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1389177421 511890 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, look at the intermediate step < 1389177495 217515 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. Happens. < 1389177543 566530 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain is capable of assuming 4 - 0 = -4 < 1389177570 707597 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are reading from right to left < 1389177584 125775 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.58.47 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389177627 67734 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember a statistics exam where all my intermediate results were correct < 1389177640 532636 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I failed to write the end result correctly < 1389177646 264182 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are the odds < 1389177684 138788 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like sqrt(80) = 9.38 < 1389177700 357397 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone needed to make sqrt(2.25) < 1389177724 797866 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told him "hey, try writing it as a fraction. hint: .25 may be quarters" < 1389177733 574258 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wrote sqrt(9/4) in the end < 1389177742 861801 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm < 1389177745 454028 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was kinda disappointing < 1389177749 115098 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1389177755 64777 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not wrong < 1389177765 682074 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's 3/2 < 1389177768 782094 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i assume, you should be able to calculate sqrt(9/4) < 1389177786 175267 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one multiply fractions again? < 1389177792 95889 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a/b * c/d = ac/bd? < 1389177825 426695 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389177827 524526 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 3/2 < 1389177953 624333 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty bad at math, especially with numbers < 1389177983 554741 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but luckily most stuff that's actually required if you're not actually studying math is pretty straight forward < 1389178122 781997 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the worst grade in the US required to still pass an exam? < 1389178148 939668 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :D? < 1389178230 609176 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (60/100*5)+1 < 1389178231 757523 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4.0 < 1389178245 877528 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds about right. < 1389180002 614017 :atrapado!~dro@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1389180699 302661 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389182085 988976 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeeChat doesn’t handle joining a channel with 45365 users too well. < 1389182535 699186 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not realise such channels existed < 1389182646 200982 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eevee 3 caught < 1389182994 37754 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eevee 4 caught < 1389182999 285494 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now for breakfast < 1389183002 645580 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortticat < 1389183024 85712 :nortticat!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1389183039 730915 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: #speeddemosarchivesda on irc.twitch.tv, i.e. the chat backend for http://de.twitch.tv/speeddemosarchivesda < 1389183129 787790 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, makes sense < 1389183142 657614 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A not-really-meant-to-be-used-as-an-IRC-channel IRC channel < 1389183584 997683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's AGDQtime. < 1389183600 802660 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:10:: QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1389183609 652769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did not even know.) < 1389183721 954999 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1389184100 147962 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389184550 270151 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389185704 816107 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1389186082 377079 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us NICK :{} < 1389186103 85184 :{}!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us NICK :{|} < 1389186117 644694 :{|}!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us NICK :{^} < 1389186132 725722 :{^}!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us NICK :{I} < 1389186141 241632 :{I}!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us NICK :{L} < 1389186157 34663 :{L}!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PART #esoteric :"Hack the planet." < 1389186278 848054 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389186282 669366 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389186541 226512 :{C}!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1389186749 430876 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389186782 695819 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1389187498 816941 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{C}: just how many different nicks do you have? < 1389187575 311917 :{C}!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the max that's allowed. < 1389187599 213510 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1389187632 81631 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1389187749 945265 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@vpn34-128.rz.hs-offenburg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1389187837 990803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. There's this technology-themed event (short lectures intended for non-specialist audiences etc.) at the nearby conference place soonishly. There's one lecture that's just listed as "Laser". < 1389187988 160879 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clerical error? < 1389188087 328831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't know. There's a subheading of approximately "technology of light" above that, and something about natural light. < 1389188119 602237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's kind of unclear what to expect. < 1389188128 556791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps they'll burn the attendees with lasers. < 1389188158 920535 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you smell different if you get burned by different laser colours? < 1389188193 974358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :More research is clearly needed. < 1389188602 870215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389189118 230629 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389189169 806387 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1389189833 471326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf "%2x%2x%2x" 71 108 108 < 1389189834 731602 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :476c6c < 1389190057 906509 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389190133 785505 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do you think of #476c6c as, say, a wall paint color? < 1389190134 143776 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's a common reaction that you seem to be a fnord but good link on simplifying the metaobject stuff i think :p but neighbour might've woken up), 3) < 1389190322 111575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that color is used as a colorkey for transparent in NetHack 4 < 1389190330 736578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure transparent wall paint would be such a good idea < 1389190334 801446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it would be < 1389190341 500268 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, as a color, that seems a bit dark. < 1389190342 342832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get the benefit of paint but can still see the wall < 1389190404 424457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Enumerate the non-colorrific benefits of wall paint, please. < 1389190404 637799 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think that specifing relative heading sizes is not only a disassembler :) < 1389190406 250481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm sure I'll get something relevant out of there if I'm just patient enough.) < 1389190448 292689 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is about fun, not relevance, or is it? < 1389190448 699260 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: do you have a picture that actually highlights all of the < 1389190489 848114 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now fungot stopped in mid sentence leaving me wondering how it ends. How rude. < 1389190490 251971 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i wonder why that restriction was imposed. i wanted to try < 1389190502 392343 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And again. < 1389190774 525294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I think there's something screwed up in your hardwired sentence length mechanism. < 1389190774 632217 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you considering implementing a lang with that syntax? < 1389190793 500159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Well, no. I can't even see how that makes sense. < 1389190793 825419 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my bot has been down for quite awhile since i've been on sine a few times. i knew i could change it < 1389190822 345462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric -- the channel where even the bots have bots. < 1389190978 872220 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389191195 880247 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389191430 508590 :{C}!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389191456 737992 :{C}!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1389192021 496464 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389192021 574038 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389192024 241941 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389192186 1285 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389192186 78957 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389192186 79102 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1389192307 35593 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1389192315 724366 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389192337 880399 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the most impressivest netsplit I ever seen. < 1389192348 994683 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389192356 628295 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389192478 549500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you were on the small side < 1389192486 266280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looked really minor to me < 1389192656 29760 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was on the miniature side. only my bot, that preflex karmic bot, and I were on it. < 1389193132 364029 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1389193132 715117 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389194150 604842 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389194311 778102 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389195139 713478 :{C}!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389197346 488253 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: who's your bot? < 1389197346 805182 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: they take an argument that i call with a selector function to get them started at a young audience. < 1389197545 220083 :{C}!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1389197920 226415 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389198393 474072 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389198457 940862 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389198598 796523 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389198601 537376 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389198770 692315 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, we have fungot again? < 1389198771 147597 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: are you new to scheme, exporting functions such as map. < 1389198817 263598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh neat, Keymaker proved Forte TC < 1389198833 421718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with a horrendously slow construction, it's always great when that happens < 1389198889 969574 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389198918 334958 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389199289 93030 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker is still alive? < 1389199326 829552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: he avoids the IRC channel even more than I do < 1389199334 709926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we both care about esolangs more than the social stuff < 1389199794 810896 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds reasonable. In the time that I've spent on #esoteric, I've seen more talk about traditionalangs, Unicode, and Finnish ball alcohol than esolangs. < 1389199877 332517 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389199975 165928 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389199987 710469 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389200091 822613 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i was wondering whether continued fraction arithmetic was turing-complete < 1389200120 342696 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well continued fraction and what else < 1389200130 398979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: huh, I don't know how it works < 1389200133 692161 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a functional language with continued fraction as a function? < 1389200143 294949 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for instance, whether one could do arbitrary computation by adding up a list of real numbers in continued fraction representation < 1389200164 944514 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you allow real numbers, then yes < 1389200177 46883 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you can always find a real number containing exactly what you want < 1389200193 819983 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find the real number containing the solution, divide it by 1 < 1389200196 199880 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bam! < 1389200198 230451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but you might not be able to define it < 1389200213 17160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I guess that's where the "computable" in "computable reals" comes from < 1389200218 440589 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that is the problem < 1389200224 554991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :computable reals are TC, bounded-storage reals aren't < 1389200226 976893 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some are not even definable! < 1389200229 487535 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: that part is obvious. the less obvious part is whether you can find real numbers which don't require a turing-complete generator to add up to the real number you want < 1389200251 925800 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia : "real numbers that don't require a TC generators" are basically integers < 1389200261 409741 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computable reals have a cardinality of aleph naught < 1389200283 548713 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you allow more than integers, you get additions and such < 1389200287 140589 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: i can generate e with a sub-turing complete system. its continued fraction is a dead simple pattern < 1389200292 999720 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And additions plus some functional apparatus are already almost TC < 1389200319 140261 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1389200319 217616 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: "almost" < 1389200322 589004 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want < 1389200333 413364 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Markov did a nice article on how to generate computable numbers < 1389200367 550322 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically you need three computable integer functions < 1389200373 76853 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f, g and h < 1389200398 267199 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you get x = (f(n) - g(n))/h(n) < 1389200412 359823 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this will converge to x with n going to infinity < 1389200469 721839 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1389200514 690690 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr < 1389200522 446207 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = (f(n) - g(n))/(h(n) + 1) < 1389200523 929055 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but f, g, and h might require a TC underlying system to compute them, yes? < 1389200525 857378 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To avoid PROBLEMS < 1389200539 428318 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, he defined them with µ-recursive functions < 1389200564 140741 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But < 1389200571 846620 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to do continued fractions < 1389200586 478628 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This will imply some sort of loop < 1389200600 996511 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might be able to replace the µ function with it maybe I guess? < 1389200614 745977 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it is also at heart the way of looping < 1389200669 46730 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1389201096 76016 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: i was thinking a way of generating continued fractions where each new term can depend on a constant number of previous terms, with basic arithmetic < 1389201126 51326 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: say, just addition, subtraction, and multiplicatio < 1389201127 56837 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1389201150 6571 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you can just do addition and multiplication of relative integers < 1389201188 795874 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay just that then < 1389201214 207399 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that every continued fraction one can generate this way is nondecreasing < 1389201236 629461 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously not turing-complete < 1389201270 701598 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe not obvious < 1389201292 491803 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's clear you can't generate an arbitrary computable number this way < 1389201319 857556 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389201349 770006 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-204-47.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389201397 460728 :{C}!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389201462 714231 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389202245 739753 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389202395 854133 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389202761 917010 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1389202855 174551 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389203333 108537 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389204381 50291 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389204707 592690 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, for a program called "Impress", LibreOffice Impress sure doesn't. < 1389204759 614198 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rimshot* < 1389204775 75525 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Oh? What does glogbackup say in !logs? < 1389204775 152913 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1389205186 440098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1389206659 961050 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389206664 509862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1389206776 158535 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Excel also doesn't. So they're in good company. < 1389206910 19494 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389206924 434338 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389207374 501511 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "Impress" the presentation one? < 1389207432 387088 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :uyyes. < 1389207445 578764 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny (I'm lagging). yes. < 1389207475 582961 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But at least this is good old-fashioned network lag, not a UI problem.) < 1389209113 724120 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1389209385 878437 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389209566 70976 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.58.47 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389209992 85761 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389210991 172292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to add Dan Hibiki into the Puzzle Strike game. (However, in Puzzle Fighter they only send red gems, and Puzzle Strike doesn't have any red gems; it has only green.) < 1389212243 470345 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389213689 409137 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the puzzle striker game? < 1389213913 303619 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389214711 463411 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Street Fighter spinoff, I believe < 1389215281 258823 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389217460 919227 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389217480 63024 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389217820 21702 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389217860 207522 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@vpn34-128.rz.hs-offenburg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1389218344 236902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1389218417 235049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-ludo < 1389218417 331329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor said 3h 47m 22s ago: Oh? What does glogbackup say in !logs? < 1389218497 374275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor iirc it says something like that its logs will be quickly merged once glogbot returns. < 1389218497 491101 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1389218552 647314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs < 1389218790 586268 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anybody know if it's possible to get an input mode (in Windows) like Vim's digraphs? The chorded one is what I'm after (e.g. ^k l *) < 1389218912 98288 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389218913 715916 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, as someone in the US interested in rail travel, what are your thoughts on http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/10555330/Japan-offers-to-lend-US-half-the-cost-of-Super-Maglev-train-between-Washington-and-Baltimore.html < 1389218959 730780 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1389218981 865724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first thought is "lol you can't build a bike shed for $8 billion in the US" < 1389218993 856476 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the japanese clearly aren't used to accounting for our beyond-ridiculous capital construction costs < 1389219007 523324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's some nondeterminism in my sox. :/ <-- either use the axiom of choice, or use shoes instead hth < 1389219025 182330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also don't be 7 hours idle. < 1389219037 641706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maglev has a lot of problems, it needs totally different infrastructure everywhere < 1389219055 129846 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can't run high speed trains DC-Baltimore and continue them on to NYC < 1389219078 907171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they aren't that much faster than high speed conventional rail < 1389219084 953508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the japanese were deep in depth already. < 1389219100 56988 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric : @tell Gregor iirc it says something like that its logs will be quickly merged once glogbot returns. // Depends on your definition of "quickly" < 1389219109 152484 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider "before the heat death of the universe" pretty quick. < 1389219115 423824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's start with America getting some high speed rail of the form that existed in Japan and France 40+ years ago < 1389219120 167354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it did almost certainly not use those exact words < 1389219134 889953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that now exists in practically every other developed nation < 1389219154 938813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :America is just not the place to innovate in rail in any form < 1389219163 675556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except norway. we also have ridiculous rail. < 1389219169 251120 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It was before everybody else beat us :) < 1389219191 475520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only innovation we do is rebuilding things that exist elsewhere from scratch because they aren't american enough < 1389219206 731838 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :You spelled "they don't have enough Jesus" wrong. < 1389219210 81450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like CA High Speed Rail could use ERTMS but ewwww, it has "european" in the name, let's invent our own signalling system from scratch at incredible cost < 1389219235 517245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: in Japan they call him Annual Gift-Giving Man and he lives on the moon. < 1389219409 640110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Conventional Maglev technology is already in use on a number of short routes around the world, but is limited to a speed of around 267mph." < 1389219412 624061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1389219442 343688 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is ONE maglev in the world with passenger service meeting that description < 1389219465 615013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it connects Shanghai Pudong International Airport to the outskirts of the Shanghai Metro < 1389219531 743425 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in there's only one limited to 267 mph, or only one on a short route < 1389219538 796119 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only other "maglevs" in the world are things in the style of airport people movers that get up to 60 mph at most < 1389219559 312116 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there's only one that gets anywhere near 267 mph or even a speed that would be impressive in 1900. < 1389219570 635378 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, so, you're saying that a newspaper can exaggerate!? Wow! < 1389219580 896620 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also < 1389219582 960287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you asked my opinion and there it is :) < 1389219589 579330 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the article does make it seem futurey < 1389219593 912537 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like future-y < 1389219612 315045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Americans love futurey sounding transport crap that will never get built < 1389219622 598170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we are abject failures at implementing technology that was already proven in 1970 < 1389219670 268855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence HYPERLOOP < 1389219687 285108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the design documents for hyperloop don't hold up to even slight scrutiny < 1389219719 201546 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389219722 573271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, maglev is perfectly viable in Transport Tycoon, you just apply the conversion tool to the tracks. < 1389219732 207508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thinking that a Silicon Valley billionaire will singlehandedly save us all with UFO technology is more plausible than thinking that the government and the railroad regulators could get their act together and join the 1970s < 1389219738 956092 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie has a point < 1389219741 857030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1389219899 773115 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389221120 805289 :oeh!~oeh@213162068210.public.t-mobile.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1389221439 261156 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting into Linux < 1389221440 587926 :oeh!~oeh@213162068210.public.t-mobile.at PART :#esoteric < 1389221590 273288 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389221797 652928 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389221810 738892 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389224022 554807 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389225241 233955 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389225260 900955 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com NICK :{C} < 1389226600 176039 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389226644 7283 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389226907 806896 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389228626 340037 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARSE isn't _quite_ monadic yet < 1389228679 540849 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARSE? < 1389228756 988843 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389228863 39653 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389228870 610708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with the word "noetherian" < 1389228882 635237 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.red-lang.org/2013/11/041-introducing-parse.html < 1389229037 859229 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got a problem with noether < 1389229091 369667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1389229099 83188 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1389229105 907530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's wrong with "terminating" < 1389229138 946740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um terminating does not indicate _what_ terminates. < 1389229202 799471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you terminate in the other direction you get artinian instead of noetherian hth (btw i don't remember which is which. or for that matter what that chains are made of.) < 1389229227 664601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the < 1389229231 494855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1389229235 631098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking about rewriting systems < 1389229246 319341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1389229257 62954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking about rings. < 1389229294 54678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly modules. as i said, i don't remember exactly what terminates. < 1389229299 775394 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Noetherian rewriting system, an abstract rewriting system that has no infinite chains" huh < 1389229335 677198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i have some doubts noether actually investigated those. < 1389229342 529367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then maybe she did. < 1389229358 582015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i guess noetherian means a zillion things < 1389229374 30416 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they mostly have to do with infinite chains, probably. < 1389229382 283514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not quite as many zillions as eulerian. < 1389229934 811367 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1389229961 186002 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1389230525 24961 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389230553 285929 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, all right, I've got it. < 1389230609 141673 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fundamental unit of computing could essentially be a region of memory tied to some pieces of code manipulating it, right? Call this whole assembly an "object". < 1389230622 715014 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming could consist simply of combining objects in certain ways. < 1389230655 272932 :{C}!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fundamental unit of computing is the symbol. < 1389230701 501828 :{C}!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :computation is symbols with rules. < 1389230728 611926 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fundamental unit of computation is the string, from which i shall make the ultimate programming language, snobol < 1389230738 392170 :{C}!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: thank you, we needed that. < 1389230755 428987 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It turns out the fundamental unit of computing is actually the troy pound. < 1389230756 748752 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you always do < 1389230768 227905 :{C}!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pffthahaha. < 1389230782 755551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why computing feathers is harder than computing gold. < 1389230809 654827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait should it be lead. < 1389230813 999654 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, now I'm thinking. < 1389230883 959078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it can be gold as well. < 1389230893 299584 :{C}!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can. gold is incredibly dense. < 1389230910 604294 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose we have a "beep" object. The object must be invoked exactly once. The object has no memory, takes no input and produces no output. When the object is invoked, the system beeps. < 1389230914 686291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats {C} -----### < 1389230914 896779 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the type of the object? < 1389230941 992616 :{C}!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type of the object is a beep, derived from noise, derived from a call. < 1389230963 359118 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which system beeps? The Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways, obviously.) < 1389230975 11777 :{C}!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you just lost me. < 1389231021 139654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of you were ever found anyway. < 1389231079 661365 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is a type < 1389231106 199552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C < 1389231110 367401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1389231112 616609 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1389231113 399170 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A type is a property of an abstract object determining the contexts in which it can be meaningfully used. < 1389231122 165919 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: stick a colon in front of each of your messages! < 1389231125 915527 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like this! < 1389231125 993017 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "abstract" and "context" and "meaning" < 1389231137 854067 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are all these shockingly unfundamental things! < 1389231152 393091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: everything hth < 1389231161 972701 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1389231170 349392 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: consult the Blue Book. < 1389231174 542870 :{C}!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zooba wha. < 1389231189 386599 :{C}!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue book? wazzat? < 1389231199 466242 :{C}!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what're all of these marvelous things?! < 1389231213 750312 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that was a touhou fan comic < 1389231244 203876 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fundamental unit of computing is the volt < 1389231251 996480 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Blue Book is also known as "Fundamentals of Philosophy", published by David Zeittler in 2018. < 1389231282 918422 :{C}!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin' lol. < 1389231310 289440 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He describes a complete philosophical framework within which most major philosophical problems can be solved. < 1389231331 121596 :{C}!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fully convinced that tswett is insane. < 1389231331 584131 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite the book. You should read it. < 1389231396 898944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mad < 1389231402 272388 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." < 1389231429 347639 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm never heard of that < 1389231474 125143 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, where were we. I was trying to figure out the type of an object which must be invoked exactly once, and then returns control. < 1389231520 823305 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't linear logic supposed to have such a thing... < 1389231529 675604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think trying to find a fundamental unit of computing always flops. < 1389231533 930265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :{C}, sacrifice Linear Interpol: You get an emblem with "Creatures you control get +4/+4 and have double strike and trample." < 1389231541 814473 :{C}!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :friggin' lol. < 1389231544 115455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does {C} even mean < 1389231549 129186 :{C}!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know. < 1389231552 977084 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copyright lemon. < 1389231556 705097 :{C}!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL. < 1389231562 502687 :{C}!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm keeping that. < 1389231575 466428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one's buying the act, oklopol < 1389231667 192153 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lessee, one lolly one is bottom par one which, in the waiting state, is... some thing, who the hell knows... < 1389231705 532766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use chu spaces to figure it out < 1389231706 35845 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the hell is it determined which of the things in a par is... eh, best not to think about it. < 1389231717 604856 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The object I mentioned has type Unit -> Unit. < 1389231718 940345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chu space calculator will even do it < 1389231742 691720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chu.stanford.edu/live/ < 1389231743 621548 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You invoke it using a Unit as input. It replies with a Unit as output. < 1389231827 818213 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes. < 1389231916 937142 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about an "int" variable? !((Int -> Unit) & (Unit -> Int)), of course. < 1389232001 146953 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But perhaps an int variable is best seen as an object that can be gotten and set an unlimited number of times. < 1389232015 586074 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I suppose that really, an int variable ought to be destroyed exactly once. < 1389232191 263778 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389232392 235370 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone claimed that Rebol PARSE and Parsec are in the same class < 1389232426 652379 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Rebol PARSE? < 1389232453 343096 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A DSL that Rebol comes with for parsing < 1389232490 465287 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.red-lang.org/2013/11/041-introducing-parse.html < 1389233047 719582 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, this is the first time I've heard of Rascal < 1389233073 550033 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... hmm, looks familiar, just the page I mean < 1389233298 172318 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The full BF impl is 404ed < 1389233298 867849 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1389233341 723066 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night, all. < 1389233345 182652 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1389233667 242348 :SirCmpwn_!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1389233700 972149 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389233779 121848 :SirCmpwn_!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn NICK :SirCmpwn < 1389233942 687103 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to do closures in Rebol you need to specify that the environment you're closing on (if a function) is a closure when you define it < 1389233956 580635 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1389234015 128832 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«@me_irl: i'm going to have a "for dummies" series of technical guides but with names like From Hell's Heart I Stab At... Microsoft SQL» < 1389234314 648937 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389234403 172345 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://www.rebol.com/r3/docs/concepts/modules-loading.html < 1389234415 650897 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check out the section "Validating modules with a hash checksum" < 1389234443 143497 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems more thoughtful than you'd expect from a language that's ok with running code directly from the Internet < 1389234541 952364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1389234726 149149 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of languagesw are fine with that. < 1389234733 426210 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, curl | sh is an idiom, right? < 1389234758 813454 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i for one don't think of shell as "thoughtful" < 1389234794 249751 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a thoughtful, minimalist, artisinal shell, done right < 1389234803 173827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a shell that celebrates craftsmanship < 1389234803 882066 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hand-crafted < 1389234819 762151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the slow fourier transform movement" < 1389235041 524985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :transforming while you eat carefully prepared food and watch the next norwegian real-time documentary on grass growing. < 1389235062 53121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, i don't think that documentary has been made yet, although it's inevitable.) < 1389235087 76158 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sick of documentaries about grass growing, i want a gritty antihero drama about grass growing < 1389235092 678074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...... probably been done fsvo "grass" < 1389235098 216838 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :developmental biology is cool :< < 1389235135 896847 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, just focusing a camera on it isn't going to be any better than focusing a camera on hitler as he goes on and on about music < 1389235381 710699 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389235382 524279 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1389235496 852623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389235864 912509 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A function that is used as an infix operator. Examples are +, -, [bad-link:functions/z-gtb-lt.txt] and /." < 1389235912 44367 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dee < 1389235912 945179 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1389236969 396199 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389238890 216941 :{C}!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389239593 273418 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1389240232 923580 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1389240968 599771 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there fullwidth versions of æ and Æ and such? < 1389241050 303541 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem to be. < 1389241055 119884 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1389241064 883418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they should have them for ☹ and ☺ < 1389241102 669839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I would buy From Hell's Heart I Stab At Microsoft SQL < 1389241156 140811 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So would many of my coworkers. < 1389241171 120506 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never dealt with microsoft sql ... is it bad? < 1389241173 51130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: also I was confused about the weird way you were quoting yourself, before I figured it out < 1389241178 910854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's software, so yes < 1389241184 542714 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1389241194 994785 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft somehow is amazing at hardware. < 1389241226 248649 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't quoting myself < 1389241230 182655 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think it's because they don't make it themselves < 1389241241 498595 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't joke < 1389241259 286202 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is serious like a heart attack < 1389241408 758446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sneak attack, bike < 1389241940 140340 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1389241950 195447 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1389242076 321093 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1389242078 570990 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1389242101 809813 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex NICK :preflex < 1389242166 823124 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389242198 838209 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389242471 816430 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389242611 781441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :til there's a band named The Internet < 1389243323 521186 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1389243371 194058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still no Main Page? < 1389243430 86462 :FreeFull!~freefull@host-92-30-43-41.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389243468 259124 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1389243475 858672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :larry page should have a kid and name them Main Page < 1389243491 417940 :FreeFull!~freefull@host-92-30-43-41.as13285.net NICK :Guest1649 < 1389243501 751455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt we recommend people how to get sued by their kids < 1389243572 537736 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know at least one person who named their kid after an anime character, the future is weird < 1389243591 955246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know siblings named Zarathustra and Galadriel < 1389243756 22643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm my hands are covered in glitter < 1389244050 155320 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389244058 228056 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389244092 502525 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389244401 76577 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1389244486 225877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i can disconfirm that saying Zarathustra and Galadriel causes this effect in general hth < 1389244494 548548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(darn) < 1389245105 84402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Najt < 1389245655 272631 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389245947 898041 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389247421 43089 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389247473 660303 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1389247504 787455 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i switched from xp to linux mint since it's going to explode soon, and since i had some trouble getting internet to work in chile < 1389247522 772401 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now every morning starts with 10 minutes of waiting for it to wake up or with a restart < 1389247568 133252 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a particularly bad linux or is xp just a particularly good os? < 1389247634 59523 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to be fair, apart from the morning sickness, this is much faster than xp) < 1389247667 959385 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers are often tested and made to work with windows, less often with linux < 1389247828 109632 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this is not even one of the few linuxes they list on their webpage < 1389247836 382082 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the manufacturer or whatevererer < 1389247861 837271 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389247864 386346 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lenovo thinkpad and i was a bit skeptical how well linux would work because they seemed to have made some hacks on top of windows < 1389247891 474022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinkpads have pretty good linux support generally < 1389247900 970139 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because for example the list of available networks was always empty, and instead you used this magical black thinkpad window to connect < 1389247910 429068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you check out thinkwiki for your model < 1389247915 481521 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1389247940 580860 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap there's a wiki dedicated to this. < 1389247947 150471 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do i ever do anything without asking here first < 1389247983 85054 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or googling) < 1389248129 645720 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it's a bit hard to google much when the reason you are installing linux is that you cannot access the internet) < 1389248134 543866 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or ask here) < 1389248140 106303 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or fucking live?!?!?) < 1389248188 47445 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's annoyingly common that the first thing you need internet for is downloading network drivers < 1389248419 785889 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, yes. < 1389248433 925387 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spent a whole day doing so gggghggh < 1389248438 67199 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing we all have backup computers eh < 1389248797 199872 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: Eureka (the tv series) had a cure for the common cold, but allegedly it was simply too expensive to make < 1389248847 598321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, whoa, whoa, new catsters videos < 1389248867 432587 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, whoa, whoa! what are catsters videos? < 1389248919 170478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/user/TheCatsters < 1389249649 975572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "waiting for it to wake up" means some sort of suspend mode, those are often remarkably flaky on Linux. < 1389249675 137971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've personally ever had a laptop with an entirely working suspend-resume behavior in Linux. < 1389249884 549740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean suspend-to-disk or just regular suspend? < 1389250565 603393 :tromp!~tromp@69.112.162.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389250816 435080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either, really. But maybe suspend-to-disk has been slightly more reliable, IME. < 1389250833 686832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :regular suspend works fine for me < 1389250848 300797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also worked fine on N previous laptops < 1389250849 648486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people just have all the luck, I guess. < 1389250955 668848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do keep a rabbit's foot in the same bag i put the computer in < 1389251016 266374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is connected to a rabbit < 1389251025 974047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the previous two statements are false < 1389251650 160142 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389251766 501868 :Guest1649!~freefull@host-92-30-43-41.as13285.net QUIT : < 1389252511 965598 :tromp!~tromp@69.112.162.42 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389255883 733553 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i don't have any suspend mode < 1389255896 197337 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even anything resembling a screensaver < 1389256620 663303 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just gets lonely i guess < 1389256784 863843 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389256827 231178 :rodgort`!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1389256917 903826 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389258806 17157 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389259421 665321 :{C}!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389260544 387571 :{C}!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389262062 748740 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1389262819 935329 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.58.47 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389265895 947573 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.58.47 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389266944 958145 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389267331 591424 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :Maybe < 1389267337 99697 :Maybe!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :Taneb < 1389268511 920551 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:3d31:f9a2:cc91:ac4f JOIN :#esoteric < 1389268539 716367 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.58.47 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389268723 818823 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389269169 973002 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:3d31:f9a2:cc91:ac4f QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1389269212 132891 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1389269852 616206 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1389269914 975683 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389269953 939105 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389270003 839301 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Awful Games Done Quick part is up. Next up: Attack of the Killer Tomatoes and E.T. http://de.twitch.tv/speeddemosarchivesda < 1389270354 833286 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389271046 882440 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1389271668 154028 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1389271914 896345 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1389272266 908041 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389272519 952527 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389272600 971732 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389272704 885903 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good unidling morning! < 1389272770 377139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of a dling is a uni-dling? < 1389272839 620563 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the Whole Entire Uni-Versal Dling of Them All. < 1389273051 147419 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389273213 763285 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389274759 794092 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1389274864 883206 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389274950 733475 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389274984 969836 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389275218 202312 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389275259 826875 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389275515 112159 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1389277821 998296 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1389279575 796712 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.95.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389279913 881830 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389281409 827761 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaun! http://youtu.be/0t0uCWjQ6Og < 1389281439 994859 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shaun, as in the sheep of the same name? < 1389281529 929647 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389281944 971652 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42892.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1389282774 511103 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1389282847 664795 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389282851 783983 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389282852 299496 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389283208 148713 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389283212 268426 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389283212 783275 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389283229 795617 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1389283232 527568 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1389283568 686784 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389283572 816407 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389283573 332041 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389283613 903851 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389283618 30501 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389283618 547857 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389283630 741565 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1389283717 122543 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1389283717 306464 :Guest96869!~Gregor@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389283785 130475 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389283801 311632 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a shop that sells typewriter ribbon so I bought some but it isn't compatible with my typewriter < 1389283905 180370 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :An excellent video in which a professional corrects some common misunderstandings about digital audio. (Those 192 kHz/24 bit music downloads are just a waste of disk space.) http://xiph.org/video/vid2.shtml < 1389283932 871646 :Effilry!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1389283944 820181 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1389284307 295041 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch NICK :mroman < 1389284450 215511 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I watched it during the holidays. it was an ok movie. < 1389284462 264726 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: buy a new typewriter? < 1389284612 546104 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: :\ but it's hilarious! < 1389284729 885812 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a simon pegg movie I haven't seen < 1389284943 586488 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, expeeensiiiiibe < 1389284952 647094 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-ve < 1389285024 604013 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that much? I don't know what's the average MSRP for a middle-end typewriter? < 1389285042 845594 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s?\?$?.? < 1389285350 380236 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea < 1389285359 581593 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I got this one for £5 at a charity shop < 1389285437 823408 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389286110 749677 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1389286304 632384 :Effilry!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly NICK :FireFly < 1389286625 728686 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389286831 225051 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1389286842 972470 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1389287230 348461 :qlkzy_!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a NICK :qlkzy < 1389287441 190368 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389287457 260601 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1389288506 770821 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389288536 785046 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-142.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1389288570 754090 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-142.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1389288570 976898 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389288648 55865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am feeling very stupef now. < 1389288649 872747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ordered a replacement DVD drive, because the old one had started to make this every-now-and-then-about-once-a-day series of seeking/"bootup" noises (even with no disc), and no longer read anything. < 1389288654 27981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new drive arrived today; after opening up the box to install it, discovered that the SATA data cable was kinda-sorta half-loose. < 1389288657 62121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :After plugging that in, the old drive seems to work just fine. :/ < 1389289586 785520 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1389290043 232725 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn :( Well, now you can watch _two_ DVDs! < 1389290143 182447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I was thinking I'm going to take advantage of the guaranteed 14-day for-free return period for internet shopping. But I'm still a bit ashamed to be wasting the shop's money. < 1389290211 226079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. I bought my last graphics card from them, let's hope it had enough of a profit margin to cover mailing a small box around a bit. < 1389290491 344557 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389290529 683471 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :this orange juice is enriched with "one of the most studied species of bacteria" < 1389290542 123169 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(luckily not e. coli) < 1389290589 876053 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this tea is enriched with one of the most studied species of microscopic flatworm" < 1389290609 382110 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389290615 495697 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's with Chu spaces? < 1389290654 645559 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :C h u < 1389290760 697386 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*audience laughter* < 1389290779 826535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389291075 660542 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, what? This says bottom times bottom is top. < 1389291225 617445 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm not a fussy eater, I'll gladly eat just about anything, and drink stuff that may have been somewhat liquid in its distant past but now evolved to a new phase, but... flatworms??? < 1389291435 268472 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. you were being biologically sarcastic. < 1389291476 770702 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-66-239.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389291571 954130 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-136.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389291596 177764 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ties Bike to a hopefully stable connection < 1389291708 795567 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1389292021 660463 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1389292021 957207 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 091800Z 26008KT 15SM FEW030 M09/M16 A3059 RMK SC1 SC TR SLP361 < 1389292133 51256 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1389292133 486273 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 091820Z 06003KT 9999 FEW015 BKN023 03/02 Q0997 NOSIG < 1389292165 919078 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar VHDK < 1389292166 331780 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1389292185 205415 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KLHS < 1389292185 546688 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1389292196 709266 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar LMCP < 1389292197 46104 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1389292207 983596 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ICMP < 1389292208 388339 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1389292227 398597 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar TLHA < 1389292227 794936 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1389292234 217490 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar OBLC < 1389292234 592045 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1389292259 860411 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have statistically significant evidence that if I ~metar an arbitrary string of four letters, there's less than a 50% chance I'll have hit a real station. < 1389292312 420754 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ZUUU < 1389292312 841306 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZUUU 091800Z 02005MPS 7000 SCT050 06/02 Q1023 NOSIG < 1389292458 104449 :impomatic!~digital_w@206.181.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389292701 97819 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? I asked Wolfie for a confidence interval, with a confidence level of 0.95, given a sample size of 5 and a sample proportion of 0. < 1389292723 678180 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says the actual chance of hitting a real station is probably less than 2.2*10 < 1389292734 16665 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.2*10^-308. < 1389292753 765759 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The actual chance of hitting a real station is certainly less than 2.2*10.) < 1389292808 81183 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 26^4 < 1389292809 104434 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 456976 < 1389292861 485512 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: also the fact that C. elegans is awesome (or is that a roundworm?) < 1389292918 116445 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's a roundworm < 1389293009 702125 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, c. elegans caused a nobel prize, that's not bad for a wee roundworm < 1389293028 292596 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, Clopper-Pearson gives a more realistic answer. It says the probability is probably at most 0.5218. < 1389293077 244459 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeffreys says it's probably at most 0.3794. Oddly, it also says it's probably at least 9.342*10^-5. < 1389293078 843770 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1389293216 232183 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote statistics < 1389293218 19088 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :608) Yeah, statistics with 2 data points is science. Statistics with one data point is crap. You measure a third point if you need an error estimate. \ 1130) everything is either zipf, branford, poisson, gamma, or uniform. outside of that, it's a weird curve invented by sadistic statistics teachers. < 1389293258 490423 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Statistics with one data point is mathematics. < 1389293285 981693 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I pick a random person from the world population, and that person is female, I can conclude that there exists at least one female. < 1389293349 941836 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that conclusion presumptuous, you vile cishet male! check your privileges! < 1389293467 707881 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meanwhile, I received the manga I ordered! :D) < 1389293536 761784 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1389293555 389261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: dumb < 1389293573 31243 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what am I dumbing? < 1389294113 417751 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION , undertaking great risks with such a dangerous gesture, mapoles elliott < 1389294539 811313 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:10:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1389294746 315505 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome stuntaneous < 1389294749 180913 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07stuntaneous: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09irc.dal.net.) < 1389294772 608585 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello stuntaneous < 1389294774 893731 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellstuntaneous < 1389294787 176194 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, close enough < 1389295271 896198 :impomatic!~digital_w@206.181.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389295670 936272 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1389295680 424953 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a shm-script? < 1389295721 676870 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like s/([^aeiou]+)(.*)/\1\2 shm\2/ < 1389295773 404519 :impomatic!~digital_w@206.181.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389295858 71667 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i find it strange that your list of common continuous distributions did not include normal < 1389295867 833366 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '#!/bin/sh\nsed -e \'s/([^aeiou]+)(.*)/\1\2 shm\2/\' "$@"' >bin/shmify < 1389295869 238919 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `(' \ bash: -c: line 0: `echo -e '#!/bin/sh\nsed -e \'s/([^aeiou]+)(.*)/\1\2 shm\2/\' "$@"' >bin/shmify' < 1389295892 228141 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's something that irks me to no end, to have a statistics `quote without that PDF. < 1389295901 504690 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there needs to be ^ and $ < 1389295903 781157 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389295922 406374 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^([^aeiou]+)(.*)$ < 1389295927 250101 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: please do it. my '"'"'"'-fu is weak today. < 1389295930 895266 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389295946 456425 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1389296022 649614 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: \ in ' does nothing, so \' is a literal backslash and the end of the quoted string < 1389296086 715856 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun way to put a literal ' in a '-quoted string: '"'"' < 1389296099 691096 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1389296113 458725 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's even worse than what visual basic does < 1389296179 956295 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :('\'' might be more readable, but less fun) < 1389296258 388719 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `run echo -e '#!/bin/sh\nsed -e '"'"'s/^([^aeiou]+)(.*)$/\1\2 shm\2/'"'"' "$@"' >bin/shmify < 1389296262 179745 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '#!/bin/sh\nsed -e '"'"'s/^([^aeiou]+)(.*)$/\1\2 shm\2/'"'"' "$@"' >bin/shmify < 1389296265 958092 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389296283 814765 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run shmify baby < 1389296285 109978 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: /hackenv/bin/shmify: Permission denied < 1389296291 331038 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~~ < 1389296291 534487 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi < 1389296307 76796 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`shmify baby < 1389296308 214206 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/shmify: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/shmify: cannot execute: Permission denied < 1389296322 105742 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod 0755 bin/shmify < 1389296325 515254 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389296331 230637 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`shmify mogrify < 1389296332 459312 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 31: invalid reference \2 on `s' command's RHS < 1389296344 472394 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1389296482 172705 :impomatic!~digital_w@206.181.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389296542 940465 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "$@" as an argument to sed? did you mean echo | sed, or should it be used like \? "$@" | shmify? < 1389296834 785645 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe < 1389297170 692285 :impomatic!~digital_w@206.181.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389297584 862634 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would the regex for all the names of Ghaddafi be ^[^qgk]h?add?h?af?fi$ < 1389297602 621536 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a stacoverfluw qusetion about that < 1389297605 711111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be bothered to spell sorry < 1389297631 430388 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5365283/regular-expression-to-search-for-gadaffi < 1389297635 316199 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed there is < 1389297673 659390 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\b[KGQ]h?add?h?af?fi\b < 1389297686 860518 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesss < 1389297690 469424 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect score < 1389297743 983009 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but are all combinations for each choice valid, or are there just three or something different transliteration schemes? < 1389297818 415993 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that "Qhaddhaffi" gets much use, but if it ever appeared at all, I expect it would be Gadaffi. < 1389297824 367518 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, not that people would follow any given scheme consistently anyway < 1389297842 544418 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner : http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2009/09/how-many-different-ways-can-you-spell-gaddafi/ < 1389297850 490494 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Kaddafi just did not give a fuck < 1389297868 832475 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qadthafi < 1389297870 45611 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaat < 1389297925 800613 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and are there many spellings in arabic too, or is there a single correct original spelling? < 1389298010 824346 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:10:: QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1389298049 902031 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode القذافي < 1389298051 749819 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0627 ARABIC LETTER ALEF] [U+0644 ARABIC LETTER LAM] [U+0642 ARABIC LETTER QAF] [U+0630 ARABIC LETTER THAL] [U+0627 ARABIC LETTER ALEF] [U+0641 ARABIC LETTER FEH] [U+064A ARABIC LETTER YEH] < 1389298082 212370 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :qaf thal? < 1389298091 740536 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. vowels. < 1389298202 426117 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those are the names of the letters, not the pronunciation < 1389298231 450792 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... qthafy? < 1389298264 92062 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :al-qafthalaleffehyeh. ← I prefer that version. < 1389298912 937492 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-136.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389299021 867660 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-250.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389299384 5569 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :minirrti < 1389299396 506499 :minirrti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1389300757 446669 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389302135 733813 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42892.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389302758 15126 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1389303028 824301 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: CHICKEN ALIGNMENT! < 1389303031 92368 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389303631 765649 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1389303717 932201 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389303728 227404 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1389304483 834181 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any command line tools or python libraries or similar to easily extract data from HTML pages. Lets say, finding new posts on some web site without RSS feeds, that sort of stuff. < 1389304515 240322 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't particlarly enjoy parsing HTML, and I doubt an XML parser would like this particular HTML either < 1389304583 100229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beautiful Soup is a good Python library for web scraping < 1389304623 814000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it deals with the kind of terrible HTML found in the wild < 1389304634 415315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other approach I would suggest is PhantomJS / CasperJS, which runs a real (headless) WebKit browser instance and lets you interrogate it with javascript < 1389304649 808804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lets you scrape even very dynamic sites < 1389305084 941302 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389305107 161954 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, thanks < 1389305150 352424 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389305165 910294 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll avoid the js path if possible since I don't really know js all that well < 1389305173 934868 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389305212 538170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like you can use PhantomJS from Python as well: http://www.realpython.com/blog/python/headless-selenium-testing-with-python-and-phantomjs/#.Us8db5WVthE < 1389305256 647027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript is a fairly shitty language but it's also simple, especially if you're just writing "scripts" and not trying to architect a large application < 1389305282 784161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my main advice is to get a program like jslint or jshint and pay attention to its warnings, even if you end up disabling some < 1389305314 503088 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically I discovered that the feeds provided by youtube behind the scenes (not easy to find) lags behind, and the web site I normally used (youtube video deck) recently started missing a few posted videos. And do not even speak of the subscription list on youtube, it is terrible. I haven't seen the channel pages fail though < 1389305348 165710 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So my plan is to scrape them for all my subscriptions and diff the result (plus add in some system to mark videos as watched) < 1389305389 27875 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I'll probably throw this up on my nginx web server running on my RPi so I can use it from my tablet as well. < 1389305445 799692 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how to best do the page generation on the RPi though... cron script is probably easiest? < 1389305468 839974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you run nginx on an RPi does it become an ЯPi < 1389305530 626932 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1389305538 337107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1389305558 876095 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I run ssh, nfs, samba, ipv6 tunnel, openvpn tunnel and a few other things on it too < 1389305575 224743 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :512 MB RAM goes a long way when you don't use a GUI < 1389305637 926964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1389305761 985928 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389305933 12054 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389305944 564390 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys. < 1389306015 862520 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it seems like first-order logic is a lot more popular than second-order logic. Why is this? Is it because of its simplicity and Gödel's completeness theorem? < 1389306075 801373 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389307144 203368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1389307164 11421 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389308134 554879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1389308311 79387 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, wrt js being for scripts, so is python to quite a large degree < 1389308644 460965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/shmify < 1389308645 744634 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ sed -e 's/^([^aeiou]+)(.*)$/\1\2 shm\2/' "$@" < 1389308674 566521 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :`shmify maechtig < 1389308675 792121 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 31: invalid reference \2 on `s' command's RHS < 1389308695 945398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering about that < 1389308765 301759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/thanks < 1389308766 625003 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl \ $_ = (join " ", @ARGV) || `words`; s/^\s+|\s+$//g; print "Thanks, $_. "; if (/[aeiouyAEIOUY]/) { s/^[^aeiouyAEIOUY]*/Th/; } else { s/^./T/; } print "$_."; < 1389308780 130369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm different method. < 1389308833 305141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo sed | sed -e 's/^([^aeiou]+)(.*)$/\1\2 shm\2/' < 1389308834 761883 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 31: invalid reference \2 on `s' command's RHS < 1389308843 946828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo sed | sed -e 's/^([^aeiou]\+)(.*)$/\1\2 shm\2/' < 1389308845 312179 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 32: invalid reference \2 on `s' command's RHS < 1389308853 277122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo sed | sed -e 's/^([^aeiou]+)(.*)$/\1\2 shm/' < 1389308854 695875 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 29: invalid reference \2 on `s' command's RHS < 1389308872 931600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 's/^([^aeiou]\+)(.*)$/\1\2 shm\2/' < 1389308874 378388 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^([^aeiou]\+)(.*)$/\1\2 shm\2/ < 1389308927 342946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo sed | sed -e 's/^([^aeiou]+)(.*)$/\1/' < 1389308928 782744 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 23: invalid reference \1 on `s' command's RHS < 1389308936 745243 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo sed | sed -e 's/^\([^aeiou]\+\)\(.*\)$/\1\2 shm\2/' < 1389308938 76382 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed shmed < 1389308967 745284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it was all that non-perly syntax < 1389308989 514055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/shmify < 1389308990 835908 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ sed -e 's/^([^aeiou]+)(.*)$/\1\2 shm\2/' "$@" < 1389308991 391904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I didn't say that either is "for scripts" < 1389308998 25980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said that there's less to learn if you're only using them for scripts < 1389309002 760952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably true of any language < 1389309011 758874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that "$@" is also obviously wrong. < 1389309021 870113 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's especially true of JavaScript, because the design patterns for large applications are just design patterns and not things built into the language < 1389309090 443388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo '#!/bin/bash'; echo 'echo "$@" | sed -e '\''s/^\([^aeiou]\+\)\(.*\)$/\1\2 shm\2/'\'' >bin/shmify < 1389309091 656656 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1389309095 687094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo '#!/bin/bash'; echo 'echo "$@" | sed -e '\''s/^\([^aeiou]\+\)\(.*\)$/\1\2 shm\2/'\'') >bin/shmify < 1389309096 858764 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1389309120 889867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo '#!/bin/bash'; echo 'echo "$@" | sed -e '\''s/^\([^aeiou]\+\)\(.*\)$/\1\2 shm\2/'\') >bin/shmify < 1389309124 110715 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389309132 439380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`shmify fnord < 1389309133 852659 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord shmord < 1389309178 182789 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :`shmify maechtig < 1389309179 580602 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :maechtig shmaechtig < 1389309202 454200 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`shmify oerjan < 1389309203 900263 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1389309231 931049 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo '#!/bin/bash'; echo 'echo "$@" | sed -e '\''s/^\([^aeiou]*\)\(.*\)$/\1\2 shm\2/'\') >bin/shmify < 1389309233 600106 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`shmify oerjan < 1389309235 184139 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389309236 276034 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan shmoerjan < 1389309291 422997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i was also thinking it should be * < 1389309294 191155 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389309587 628656 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's probably true of any language <-- well yeah < 1389309657 820413 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1389309675 503457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night < 1389310142 825479 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389310533 473864 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389312035 338762 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif < 1389312543 421182 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389312659 201569 :w00tles!~w00tles@87-104-164-168-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389312724 165068 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389314019 751531 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: finished Botanicula (is trying to collect all cards worthwhile? I got 115/123) < 1389314082 763125 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, fun little game. < 1389314186 908238 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.95.91 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1389315858 652759 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind, aunt Google says that 3 boxes is all. So it's just the cards themselves. < 1389315928 846180 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389316874 812394 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-250.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1389316969 881643 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-116-174.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389317438 253993 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1389317785 545762 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389317798 426023 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389317801 803587 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389317828 399358 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389317839 927417 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-116-174.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389317877 276354 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1389317952 742043 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-13.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389318102 441123 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-13.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am trying my hand at reading driver source. this may have been a mistake < 1389318204 835197 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-13.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.skbuff.net/ eg < 1389318223 2051 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389319833 745128 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-13.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389319890 413736 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389319915 4642 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-219-132.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389320857 151796 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389322610 787292 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389323389 894048 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-219-132.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389323435 445729 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-219-132.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389323782 979941 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389324125 758454 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389324404 238055 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389324931 357207 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-219-132.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389325033 907562 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-198.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389325901 257281 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1389325960 881458 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-198.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389326081 822766 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-208-193.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389326558 757976 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-208-193.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1389327241 221847 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1389327242 624744 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :50) So... copyright doesn't really apply to God. < 1389327245 97461 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1389327246 350423 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :306) Top universities now employ people to watch infomercials all day to find the latest mysteries. < 1389327250 165040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1389327251 540182 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :564) l;le;ler;le;lr;e;ler;ler;le;lerr;le;le;erle;e;rler;lere;er;lerrelrrerererlanggt < 1389327253 373979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1389327254 695878 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :726) elliott: Apparently Rowan Williams is Primate of All England. CHECKMATE CREATIONISTS < 1389327256 309892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1389327257 761611 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :182) Maybe they should just get rid of Minecraft. If more people want it someone can make using GNU GPL v3 or later version, with different people, might improve slightly. < 1389328266 443907 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1389328276 506886 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1389328338 850879 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1389328392 5657 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389328411 339798 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1389328436 554247 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex NICK :preflex < 1389328511 482298 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389329752 649193 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1389329782 765159 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a JOIN :#esoteric < 1389329796 94646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389331039 914373 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389331076 748685 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389331361 67730 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389331501 893685 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389331559 908189 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1389331561 75772 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389331586 193263 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1389332118 59178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1389332200 881582 :elliott!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389332224 191137 :elliott!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com NICK :Guest38863 < 1389332256 944744 :Guest38863!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1389332268 564887 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1389332707 209957 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389332792 93271 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389336147 71530 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rebol seems... unsafe < 1389336160 472673 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a similar way to Kernel, except possibly worse < 1389336968 192662 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389337844 700888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently england has a new primate < 1389338039 352696 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1389338147 140249 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone or some animal was born there??? < 1389338164 300776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a primate < 1389338173 432680 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :primate' < 1389339436 978319 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389339775 294786 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389341385 329398 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389343505 420011 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389343756 851077 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1389344079 462308 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1389344507 546193 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" We don't tell someone to take out the garbage and then they shoot the cat if you don't say "Oh... wait... I meant ONLY take out the garbage"!" < 1389346265 499071 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what are those? they're not on the wiki < 1389346343 469903 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure the best URL to link for Rebol < 1389346354 257895 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel: http://web.cs.wpi.edu/~jshutt/kernel.html < 1389346367 251626 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebol < 1389349151 696796 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm submitting a patch where basically every function has /only. If you don't specify it, it will open a pop up window that plays Tetris." < 1389350034 292698 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, so rebol isn't actually an esolang? so that's why it wasn't on the wiki! < 1389350101 843948 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1389350125 100806 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead it's on the other wiki < 1389350742 557393 :impomatic!~digital_w@206.181.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get the Rebol Core War to run :-( < 1389350759 896278 :impomatic!~digital_w@206.181.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :** Script Error: Invalid path value: 1 ** Where: redrag ** Near: pane/1/size: val: size - (2 * edge/size) :-( < 1389350909 576358 :impomatic!~digital_w@206.181.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's here http://akson.sgh.waw.pl/~pg23193/corewars/ also on Github https://github.com/paweu/rebol-corewars < 1389352589 742862 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come everyone seems to think that ioccc 8086 emulator is so amazing? I think it might be nice obfu, but it goes against the ioccc spirit because it stores important data (tables for interpreting instructions) in an aux file outside the source code, thus subverting the code size limit. < 1389352648 385380 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, can it emulate other architectures by replacing the data file? < 1389352673 37812 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRM is preventing the Surgeon Simulator speedrun on http://de.twitch.tv/speeddemosarchivesda :-D. The video streaming device they’re using says something like “no signal” when no video output is connected. Now it says “HDCP”. < 1389352679 217293 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: of course it can. the data file is a bios, so as long as you can write an emulator of the other arch in x86_16, it can emulate it. < 1389352698 720455 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well, all of it has to fit in less than 1M of memory obviously < 1389352711 663023 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's easily doable < 1389352759 526462 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a BIOS doesn't have to count against the emulator's code size, I think that's reasonable < 1389352847 93550 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "tables for interpreting instructions" doesn't sound like the bios < 1389352873 236781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: exactly, it's not a stock bios, it emulates some of the io devices of the machine too < 1389352886 711863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the impression that the "bios" file is still plain 8086 assembly. < 1389352893 91201 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sure < 1389352911 902469 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of it < 1389352912 270834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the C code is a proper 8086 CPU emulator. I don't think anyone's begrudging it for not emulating devices. < 1389352925 999864 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it also has tables for decoding the x86 instructions < 1389352929 370380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: I've only looked at the hint file.) < 1389352930 291660 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the hint file claims < 1389352949 703292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1389352955 944553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's some look-up tables in there. < 1389352961 229392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's a little bit shady. < 1389352984 759536 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, putting support to an extra file is completely normal for such an emulator, whether in a production or in obfu, but the ioccc is about the size limit < 1389353008 94449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably, it's also about rule abuse. < 1389353031 136309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's definitely against the rules < 1389353033 636121 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look it up < 1389353045 459356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Legal abuse of the rules is somewhat encouraged." < 1389353049 914405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's in the rules. < 1389353080 319127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to look up something more explicit about the source length the other day, but I might've missed something. < 1389353100 431286 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1389353109 576649 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there used to be a rule or guideline saying that the program must work without the info files < 1389353112 831439 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now I can't find it < 1389353114 922096 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they remove that? < 1389353160 123813 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here: < 1389353169 964232 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the guidelines, "We really dislike entries that make blatant use of including large data files to get around the source code size limit." < 1389353213 885379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not technically against the rules, < 1389353222 848277 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's definitely discouraged in the guidelines < 1389353257 799881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a value judgement. I guess they liked it otherwise enough. < 1389353286 631414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Entries that violate the guidelines but remain within the rules are allowed." < 1389353291 782287 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I have decided to draw < 1389353302 141389 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the basis that if I never draw I will never be able to draw well < 1389353319 235635 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sure, it's not the ioccc judge's decision that is my problem < 1389353326 767394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's other people's reaction in twitter < 1389353345 128415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who all claim "a 8086 emulator in 4000something bytes" or similar < 1389353408 640178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We prefer programs that don't require a fish license for pet fish." I wonder if/how that particular guideline has come up. < 1389353426 229259 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, Cable is definitely clever for fooling all those people by hiding the tables this way < 1389353685 896108 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389353864 246988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, how nasty; matlab-mode in emacs (at least this version) rebinds M-; to "matlab-comment" from comment-dwim, and therefore can't be used to comment-or-uncomment-region if a region is active. < 1389356176 958451 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this property name makes me chuckle: browser.safebrowsing.malware.enabled < 1389356664 340957 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wouldn't want to enable malware. < 1389356774 37057 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '123' | ghc -e 'main=interact$reverse' < 1389356781 830754 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ :1:5: parse error on input `=' < 1389356797 955782 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '123' | ghc -e 'interact$reverse' < 1389356802 17079 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ 321 < 1389356806 285204 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :k. < 1389356808 217066 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks. < 1389357221 189628 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '@REVERSE\ARG:1' | ploki - 123 < 1389357222 921191 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :321 < 1389358863 191470 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone ever created an esolang in front of a live audience < 1389358912 953437 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1389358926 370755 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seeing as most languages were invented in five minutes it can't be that hard to do < 1389358931 289073 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that you have an audience. < 1389358948 566381 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, with audience participation < 1389358961 380084 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I'm surprised there isn't a metal-tool which can create brainfuck derivatives automatically < 1389358965 795340 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*meta-tool < 1389358974 768954 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and create an interpreter for it automatically too < 1389358982 386042 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389358987 771551 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389358989 807674 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389359002 491758 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Automatic brainfuck derivatives construction" sounds like an awesome paper . < 1389359046 354697 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may actually do this < 1389359104 918834 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tr "$1" '.,+-[]<>' < 1389359214 801444 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :ook < 1389359350 691768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Remember to have it on video. < 1389359361 943166 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be < 1389359368 799341 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it won't be for a couple of months if it happens < 1389359368 982294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Then you can post it online, and it can be a part of the wiki entry of the language. < 1389359401 417239 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the next slot is the 20th of February < 1389359513 718879 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good breakfast morning! < 1389359564 984766 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, it looks like it is happening < 1389360285 943126 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: where? < 1389360852 356623 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, York < 1389360928 970169 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the audience can prepare suggestions that make your task more difficult < 1389360997 589713 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :implement it with one hand. < 1389361703 997191 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389361734 314114 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389362037 830556 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389362293 134466 :w00tles!~w00tles@87-104-164-168-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk QUIT :Quit: quit < 1389362630 334622 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389362664 345621 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389362931 324523 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389363174 826595 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1389363856 743475 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: more specifically, I'd like to see suggestions that seem a good idea at first so the presenter can agree to them, but he finds out later that they're making it difficult. < 1389363868 134175 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you suggest something that's obviously hard for him, he might not agree < 1389364023 942679 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-48-32.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389364139 145665 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389364401 806945 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-48-32.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1389364559 215068 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389365095 801737 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-announce/2014-January/002389.html hm, this sounds bad < 1389365155 158120 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-48-32.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"checked in on 1991/05/10" hahaha < 1389365252 872631 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389365312 420828 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hurray for static code analysis... < 1389365401 315806 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389365611 577962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone defined a C++ attribute that sets the color (and font etc) of an identifier for syntax coloring? < 1389365734 482825 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, say, int frobnicate[[syntax_hilite(bold red)]](const char *foo); and then whenever anyone calls that function its name will be shown in bold red. < 1389365757 427178 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the compiler doesn't support this, then you macro syntax_hilite to expand to nothing. < 1389365930 247700 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: wouldn't syntax highlighting a single word like that vary between editors? < 1389365968 50249 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: yes, maybe this should specify a css-like class for syntax hiliting instead which you can match from syntax hilite rules < 1389366016 772774 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I mean is, how would you have it work across all editors? I don't think it would be feasible. < 1389366041 42852 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, int frobnicate[[syntax_hilite(dangerous-function)]](const char *foo); and you'd have a css rule somewhere saying .dangerous-function { color: red; font-weight: bold; } < 1389366042 825635 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The editors would opt-in to support it I guess < 1389366063 777707 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: exactly, if your editor doesn't support this you can macro it out to a noop < 1389366106 256654 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you'd have to expand it to a nop anyways, since the compiler really doesn't care about the text of its source code.. right? < 1389366138 219654 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess potentially the compiler could use the information for warnings/errors if it wants to < 1389366142 846332 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you intend for, say, debug messages to highlight that function name < 1389366171 571024 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: beat me to it :) < 1389366203 479343 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: would the idea be to highlight things that are semantically related using the same colours? < 1389366233 468002 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to highlight based on type or syntax, like editors currently do typically < 1389366294 785167 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if the idea is that it's just for the editor, why not have the indicator in a comment above the method (or inline with /**/ like your current one)? < 1389366302 659133 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: no, for warnings you have other attributes. some compilers already have attributes for marking deprecated functions, marking functions whose return value you shouldnát ignore, etc. < 1389366334 609198 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to combine both, define a macro that does both, like #define mydeprecated deprecated,syntax_hilite(deprecated) < 1389366346 985034 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ask the syntax hiliter to recognize and color deprecated functions < 1389366350 812624 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int frobnicate /* !syntax_highlight(danjah-danjah) */ (const char *foo) { ... } < 1389366358 718615 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be a low-level interface to ask the syntax hiliter and only that < 1389366378 320361 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: huh? why magic comments? we already have attribute syntax. (in fact, we have like three different attribute syntaxes.) < 1389366392 177247 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: you can't get magic comments from the preprocessor < 1389366411 5124 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I meant for when the compiler prints out the line to which a warning/error relates < 1389366413 116783 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas you can generate identifiers using preprocessor tricks and attach attributes to those < 1389366413 768614 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: are attributes part of the preprocessor? I not a C++ programmer, sorry < 1389366424 671297 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: not the preprocessor < 1389366437 713107 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: but the preprocessor passes them through unchanged just like most code < 1389366445 465785 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're part of the compiler syntax < 1389366457 375979 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just seems odd to me to place information about the color of text in the code. < 1389366476 440187 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's odd, we're in #esoteric < 1389366482 269460 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389366483 368779 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-48-32.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo colorforth < 1389366484 955218 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually like syntax hiliting at all < 1389366507 2229 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer plain white over black text, and have the code be clear as is < 1389366514 572177 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of a hiliter having to parse it for me to understand < 1389366536 833486 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a religious debate and some people swear that syntax hiliting is a good idea < 1389366540 566666 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I like pretty colors because they're shiny. they don't help me parse the text at all. < 1389366595 328915 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would an attribute that describes the function be acceptable? like your CSS class idea < 1389366615 161544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: do you mean you like to look at the code in pretty colors, or you like to show the code to managers in pretty colors? < 1389366629 477181 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int frobnicate [[describe(dangerous)]] (const char *foo) { ... }; < 1389366648 578369 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't show code to managers, I show solutions to managers < 1389366650 640345 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would put himself in the former of those sets < 1389366657 475803 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my managers don't read code < 1389366670 11351 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: of course, they don't read the code, they look at the pretty colors < 1389366694 303284 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't think they care about what color it is.. they don't even look at the code, is what I'm saying. < 1389366696 549005 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like I said, I'm asking about a low-level hook for coloring, not a high level one < 1389366706 977937 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a high level one, you could define a macro that sets the color and something else < 1389366731 50141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that answers my question, so you like the pretty colors for yoruself < 1389366742 282850 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :) merely because they are pretty colors. < 1389366770 321671 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :white text on black is also fine. (bright background hurts my eyes after a while) < 1389366948 561278 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only suggested describing the function with an arbitrary word like that because it's close to your CSS idea but not strictly tied to the display of the text < 1389366969 197587 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could, for instance, have it show an alert to the user or something when they write a call to some such function < 1389366998 206740 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any low-level coloring hooks :( you can probably find something close that's specific to your editor, though < 1389367068 728226 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for marking a function to warn whenever you reference it, that's what the deprecated attribute does in some compilers. < 1389367080 143328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can even give a custom warning. < 1389367190 586164 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389367632 334862 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1389368121 411553 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer syntax highlighting < 1389368132 919628 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, most editors don't provide smart syntax highlighting :( < 1389368189 663826 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most don't highlight typedefs in C for example < 1389368207 213681 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so int is blue, but int32_t isn't. < 1389368549 21489 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2646 < 1389368559 708442 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're a vim user < 1389368664 971551 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-48-32.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1389368808 963734 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: the c highlighting included in vim highlights builtin typedefs like int32_t already < 1389368962 141238 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: does it highlight user-defined typedefs? that's what I thought mroman was referring to < 1389369016 462853 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unlikely, it only does lexical analysis afaik, which means it has no idea which typedefs are defined < 1389369037 294425 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unlikely" ... I know that it doesn't < 1389369147 705618 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah :) I didn't think it did, but I don't really use C beyond occasional bytebeat < 1389369639 370598 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah @userdefined typedefs < 1389370265 710157 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42892.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1389370343 278606 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :An IDE is supposed to help me. < 1389370374 713740 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. vim isn't really an IDE < 1389370384 125836 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lightly mapoles mroman < 1389370394 319285 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim is and IDE! < 1389370394 502328 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!define mapole < 1389370400 271478 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mapole < 1389370402 73082 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. < 1389370411 207600 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :An IDE has auto completion, parameter hints, type info, smart syntax highlighting < 1389370420 749269 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :browsing through code by clicking on function names and stuff < 1389370428 873716 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim has them all. < 1389370430 249503 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I might as well use nano. < 1389370447 952598 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, nano is the crapiest editor I know < 1389370451 353981 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ed < 1389370478 269550 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you may replace nano with the carpiest editor you know < 1389370725 926867 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.95.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389370816 729472 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like ed. < 1389370832 825766 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, vim has all of that (with plugins). if you don't want to learn vim, I hear emacs has a couple of features. < 1389370845 343578 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed is nice but a bit limited < 1389371209 757603 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1389371215 906966 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389371217 130988 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1389371220 23127 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389371220 538853 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389371689 714210 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, that's the thing.. probably the thing I value the most with vim (after the whole modal editor thing) is easy access to shell commands < 1389371716 79736 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piping a selection through an arbitrary shell oneliner is powerful IMO < 1389371851 496316 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1389372426 84058 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it's very powerful. that's what I do to slurp in quotes into the PDF. < 1389372748 320881 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389372925 594007 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389372946 641639 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389373726 108444 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sexually_active_popes < 1389373730 187278 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389373739 684979 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sexually_active_popes < 1389373749 720882 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1389373757 841033 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389373997 65089 :everfreeq!~amosodium@101.255.24.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389374239 213533 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, needs no further explanation imo < 1389374379 628019 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any living sexually active popes < 1389374460 961862 :w00tles!~w00tles@87-104-164-168-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389374552 842572 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "There have been 266 popes. Since 1585, no pope is known to have been sexually active before, during or after election to the Papacy" < 1389374632 221531 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1389374641 309365 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, will you come to my live esolang creation < 1389374738 838632 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't it's gonna be awful < 1389374850 148912 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, where? < 1389374854 752640 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :York < 1389374861 644705 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when? < 1389374873 677374 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBD, probably 20th of February at 19:30 < 1389374883 769411 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :most probably not < 1389374889 403507 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1389374895 476778 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I have an exam to get to < 1389374896 991278 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye! < 1389374900 607942 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :question. which esolangs have first-class functions with lambda-like syntax that are closure, but only nullary so they don't take arguments? < 1389374948 750630 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know none < 1389374974 288404 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's none, then that toy interpreter I wrote ages ago that wasn't intended as an esolang is unique in something! < 1389374985 940654 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, I did intend to have functions with arguments, just never implemented it < 1389375000 541052 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :ploki doesn't have functions but they take arguments < 1389375008 455241 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1389375013 704461 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work? < 1389375086 597704 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a unary operator called @OMFG < 1389375102 574849 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of evaluating its operand, it returns the expression itself < 1389375117 817799 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also replaces all variables in the expression by their current value < 1389375149 927751 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other part is the . infix operator < 1389375191 934413 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :@OMFG FOO . BAR evaluates FOO, setting the pseudo-constant \@ to the result of BAR < 1389375192 125069 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1389375207 52363 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... maybe they weren't closure in that language? < 1389375214 96615 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they weren't, I should make such a language < 1389375227 921376 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to understnad the source code now < 1389375266 380809 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the rule for function calling in this? < 1389375275 949469 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1389375283 265673 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading my own old code < 1389375288 540165 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/geo-snapshot.tgz < 1389375290 482354 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1389375309 957005 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/scan-snapshot.tgz < 1389375313 189163 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :'@OMFG @foo \@' is effectively a function pointer to foo < 1389375313 641539 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always confuse the two < 1389375318 736637 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think geo definitely had functions < 1389375336 320199 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1389375344 737515 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :ploki only has a call instruction and labels < 1389375345 832607 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it doesn't? < 1389375353 552599 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: that's no problem < 1389375376 604612 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: some basic variants also only have no explicitly declared functions, only syntax to call function at a label, and a return statement < 1389375388 192995 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say x86_* cpu does that too < 1389375411 52031 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I was inspired by both < 1389375583 96886 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scan has nullary non-closure functions < 1389375630 516160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and geo has no functions at all < 1389375643 27139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, this opens the place for a future esolang that has nullary closure lambda functions < 1389376011 730844 :networknot!~amosodium@101.255.24.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389376197 713102 :everfreeq!~amosodium@101.255.24.142 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389376267 893648 :w00tles!~w00tles@87-104-164-168-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk QUIT :Quit: quit < 1389376286 776957 :networknot!~amosodium@101.255.24.142 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389376795 828667 :everfreeq!~amosodium@101.255.24.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389377073 754928 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389377927 889107 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389377968 544163 :schernova!~schernova@91.212.45.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389378250 133786 :everfreeq!~amosodium@101.255.24.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse this /lol < 1389378252 949097 :everfreeq!~amosodium@101.255.24.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1389378257 864845 :everfreeq!~amosodium@101.255.24.142 PART :#esoteric < 1389378289 952099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1389378678 92493 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome schernova < 1389378680 498234 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08schernova: 09Welcome 02to 06the 13international 04hub 07for 08esoteric 09programming 02language 06design 13and 04deployment! 07For 08more 09information, 02check 06out 13our 04wiki: 07. 08(For 09the 02other 06kind 13of 04esoterica, 07try 08#esoteric 09on 02irc.dal.net.) < 1389378686 96814 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: we are Friday. < 1389379127 864649 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389379182 180956 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389379511 619509 :schernova!~schernova@91.212.45.46 QUIT :K-Lined < 1389379681 616879 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k-line? and here I had `relcomed them :( < 1389379882 263820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :look what you did < 1389380001 60325 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my fault! it was... uhm... eh... < 1389380009 613151 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points randomly over to Taneb < 1389380035 656350 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know a mapole could cause K-lines < 1389380052 91288 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :k-line bottles < 1389380190 580902 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1389383179 745488 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389383220 389247 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1389383374 64764 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1389384109 764583 :w00tles!~w00tles@87-104-164-168-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389384419 495499 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome w00tles < 1389384421 913656 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02w00tles: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13irc.dal.net.) < 1389384682 580436 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily < 1389384685 982461 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy friday < 1389385569 511520 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hintopia < 1389385581 644708 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy Friday to you too. are you wearing an orange shirt? < 1389385584 387576 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1389385584 750433 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 102000Z 01006KT 10SM -SN OVC018 M06/M09 A3028 RMK SC8 SLP255 < 1389398443 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389400569 0 :w00tles!~w00tles@87-104-164-168-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk QUIT :Quit: quit < 1389400573 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Cola dead? < 1389400740 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :not according to their share price < 1389400797 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://piumarta.com/software/cola/ < 1389401285 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :r562 | piumarta | 2008-10-10 03:41:56 +0200 (Fri, 10 Oct 2008) | 1 line < 1389401304 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 years. it does look pretty dead. < 1389401458 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389401579 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389401716 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389401878 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389403180 0 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389403609 0 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1389404174 0 :Taneb!?@? 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NICK :Taneb < 1389404920 0 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.95.91 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1389404939 0 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.95.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389405325 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389405359 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389405668 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1389406181 0 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.95.91 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1389406732 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389407223 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389409177 0 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389409287 0 :Chillectual!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389409329 0 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1389409332 0 :Chillectual!?@? NICK :LinearInterpol < 1389410338 0 :LinearInterpol!?@? NICK :Lebowski < 1389410356 0 :Lebowski!?@? NICK :LinearInterpol < 1389410603 0 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389410843 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389410992 0 :w00tles!~w00tles@87-104-164-168-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389411233 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1389413275 0 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389414729 0 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1389414737 0 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1389414777 0 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1389414809 0 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389414821 0 :preflex_!?@? NICK :preflex < 1389416543 0 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389416760 0 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389417348 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389417384 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389417645 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389417891 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389418174 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1389418193 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does everybody go when i'm bored? :< < 1389418195 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :incl. bots < 1389418242 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm watching a speedrun marathon, currently setting up for a 4-way Super Metroid race < 1389418246 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gamesdonequick.com < 1389418265 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389418276 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1389418300 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389418410 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i mentioned that i know someone who's a big fan of gopher < 1389418423 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another person mentioned that they also know such a person < 1389418429 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they turned out to be the same person < 1389418462 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: burn notice! < 1389418467 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that person zzo38 < 1389418490 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: if he didn't mean zzo38 then obviously he would have said he knew _two_ people. < 1389418492 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1389418502 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that's a p. allright show < 1389418511 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :other people know zzo38? < 1389418533 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and it's marathoning on ion tv when i should be sleeping < 1389418574 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389418579 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently through ifmud? < 1389418595 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: six degrees of separation may get a lot smaller when everyone is a geek < 1389418622 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: do you watch ion tv < 1389418645 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is pretty well known http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=zzo38 < 1389418700 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: someone in urban dictionary isn't really well known until they become a synonym for a sex term hth < 1389418744 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1389418773 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, the nerd world is p. small < 1389418875 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Rebol might actually fake lexical scoping too well (compared to Kernel) < 1389418909 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of circumstances where I want to bend scoping a bit, but Rebol near enforces lexical (despite not having true lexical scoping), but Kernel allows what I want < 1389418994 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe it's not lexical scoping < 1389419127 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: If it is ifMUD, then yes I am on there too; is that what they said though? < 1389419185 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also apparently i work in the same building as Don Woods < 1389419239 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don Woods! Do you mean the Don Woods who invented INTERCAL and Colossal Cave Adventure? < 1389419275 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1389419347 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38! < 1389419707 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: hnitg < 1389420088 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a spherical coordinate library! < 1389420106 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://npmjs.org/package/sgeo < 1389420154 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a trendy tote-bag! < 1389420158 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spherical coordinates; it can be useful for geography and for astronomy, perhaps. Probably other things too. < 1389420212 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1389420226 0 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389420283 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of neat that you can use the same kind of coördinates whether you are inside the sphere or outside of it < 1389420285 0 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389420395 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it convert between different references that the longitude is measured on? (For example, this would apply to convert between ecliptic and equatorial coordinates; it would have other purposes too in other areas of study too.) < 1389420506 0 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo can you do that < 1389420587 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea < 1389420657 0 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :get more self-actualized < 1389421238 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: where does your nick come from anyway < 1389421260 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mashing together my first and last name < 1389421286 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1389421293 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a common approach" < 1389421459 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iojdsalkfj < 1389421465 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE DOES THAT STOCK SOUND COME FROM < 1389421482 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCHq6sioZ1E around 1:58 < 1389421490 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one I've heard in Cybertown < 1389421783 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :aerated chocolate is strange < 1389421843 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a foam < 1389421847 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :open-cell or closed-cell? < 1389421987 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1389422175 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what is supposed to happen in Sirlin's chess if a duel results in the attacker being exposed to check? (I am guessing the attacker just loses the game as if he ended a turn in check in any other way.) < 1389423593 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Sirlin's Chess 2 public domain? < 1389423598 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would kind of... suck if it wasn' < 1389423627 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what do chess variant sites call it? I doubt they're just going to be fine with calling some random variant "chess 2" < 1389423772 0 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :chess 2 #483 < 1389423787 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389423894 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I really don't like the name "Chess 2" for this game, so I call it "Sirlin's Chess"; other people do too. I don't think the file is in public domain, although you could make implementations and descriptions which are public domain, I think. (The file can be purchased for $0.00, though.) < 1389423918 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i purchase it for CHF 0.00 instead < 1389423988 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, it turns out that the biggest Bitcoin mining pool is pretty close to 51% < 1389423988 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what CHF is, but probably you can. < 1389424019 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is worrying just because it screws up the assumptions behind Bitcoin for that sort of thing to happen naturally < 1389424024 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as in, literally 51%, or as in, almost at 50%? < 1389424037 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: not even 49% < 1389424041 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK < 1389424049 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389424171 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: doesn't a majority mean you can break bitcoin since you can invent fake histories and force them on the cloud? < 1389424185 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you can't force a transaction to happen that didn't < 1389424195 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can arbitrarily remove a transaction from recent history < 1389424216 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the chance of being able to do that depends on how recent) < 1389424232 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that pretty much destroys Bitcoin's integrity because you can spend money, then undo spending it and send it to someone else < 1389424242 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1389424275 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do modern transaction softwares include detection of that sort of fraud? < 1389424323 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the entire point of the protocol is to detect that sort of fraud < 1389424355 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it relies on at least 50% of the miners being honest < 1389424358 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1389424378 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if I'm the guy who receives the money, and later the cloud disagrees, I could theoretically alert my user < 1389424388 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but they can't do much but bitch < 1389424432 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it happened a lot though then they might be able to convince others to join in retake the cloud in favour of the honest miners < 1389424995 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play Sirlin's other games too, such as Yomi and Puzzle Strike, and even made up new decks, rule variants, characters, puzzle chips, game modes, etc. < 1389425035 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know any of these games? < 1389425448 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a hardware implementation of LLVM? < 1389425933 0 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Quit: Bye. < 1389426205 0 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`localtime Bike < 1389426279 0 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1389426502 0 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey kmc or anyone else, is there a good book on linux drivers (or drivers in general, if that's even a thing) < 1389426731 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux Device Drivers < 1389426768 0 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who'd have thought (thnks) < 1389426799 0 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff, it's on lwn but in separate chapters. why do they do that... < 1389426868 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> sleep < 1389426870 0 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night all < 1389428084 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any of you guys familiar with fourier transformation? < 1389428099 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I am somewhat familiar. < 1389428102 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1389428135 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :x(t-l) -> X(f)*e^(-i*2*pi*f*l) < 1389428158 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :time shifting property < 1389428195 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cos(2pi*f*t) has 0.5 at both +f and -f < 1389428234 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :f0 that is < 1389428251 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is usually written as 0.5*d(f-f0) + 0.5*d(f+f0) < 1389428255 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where d is that dirac thingy < 1389428274 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :X(f)*e^(-i*pi/4) should then be < 1389428296 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.5*e^(-i*pi/4)*d(f-f0) + 0.5*e^(-i*pi/4)*d(f+f0) < 1389428313 0 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these readings are impossible! shinji, get out now! the quantum condensation is trapping you in a dirac thingie! < 1389428326 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at leasts that's what I understand under *multiply spectrum with e^(-i*pi/4)* < 1389428339 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparentely it's totally wrong :( < 1389428395 0 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: dirac sea! < 1389428443 0 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no doctor, the desaturation tides are reversed... it's no longer a sea... but... a thingie... < 1389428457 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand... < 1389428465 0 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's a villainous octahedron < 1389428486 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fourier coefficients of that cos thingy are c_1 = 0.5 < 1389428516 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doing the time shift there yields c_1 = 0.5*e^(-i*pi/4) < 1389428527 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that c_-1 is 0.5*e^(i*pi/4) < 1389428591 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which suggests that 0.5*d(f-f0) is just some notation < 1389428607 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one shouldn't acually apply the multiplication on that < 1389428759 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nvm. Looks like some notation issue I fell into :) < 1389430577 0 :samebchase!~samuel@codesurfers.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389431588 0 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-evlwlpchxhvdgtiz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389431791 0 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fccrqonqpevrfkzc JOIN :#esoteric < 1389431852 0 :iamcal!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xmbmnotufixfdrig QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389431871 0 :iamcal_!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tuahlepifxfodttc JOIN :#esoteric < 1389431952 0 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389431985 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389432858 0 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LDD3 is current as of the 2.6.10 kernel." wait, shit < 1389433840 0 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389434251 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used Fourier transform to implement PADsynth only, so far, although I know it has other uses too. < 1389434515 0 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose a book about current kernel anything is basically impossible, huh < 1389434528 0 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i need.... a monograph < 1389435354 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It needs to be a wikibook, obvs. < 1389436981 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389438492 0 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1389438493 0 :mauke_!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1389438594 0 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1389438633 0 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389438638 0 :preflex_!?@? NICK :preflex < 1389438764 0 :mauke_!?@? NICK :mauke < 1389439130 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389439906 0 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389440029 0 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.95.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389440301 0 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389440368 0 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I’m pretty sure their signals don’t really reach Finiland. < 1389440375 0 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo typos < 1389440451 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389440463 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I typo a signla it reaches all the way to Finland? < 1389440604 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389440758 0 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow I'm going to try to write out my Kernel vs. Rebol example < 1389441400 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-142.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1389441435 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-142.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1389441435 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389441557 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389441607 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-142.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1389441641 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-142.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1389441642 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389441722 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389441754 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do private schools in the US work? < 1389441785 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume they are still controlled by the government in order to ensure < 1389441798 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the education they receive there is adequate to public schools? < 1389441861 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK there's a government inspection body that does exactly that, i assume the US works along similar lines < 1389442329 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Sweden too < 1389443531 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I assume schooling in the US is mostly unregulated < 1389443674 0 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1389443970 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard it's more regulated in the US than it is in Sweden < 1389444667 0 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.95.91 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389444693 0 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.95.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389444937 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-142.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1389444971 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-142.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1389444971 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389445059 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There must be some sort of university accreditation, because all those degree-by-email "universities" are always mentioned as unaccredited. < 1389445070 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In most countries around the world, the function of educational accreditation for higher education is conducted by a government organization, such as a ministry of education. In the United States, however, the quality assurance process is independent of government and performed by private membership associations.[1]" < 1389445129 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The U.S. Department of Education and the Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) (a non-governmental organization) both recognize reputable accrediting bodies for institutions of higher education and provide guidelines as well as resources and relevant data regarding these accreditors. Neither the U.S. Department of Education nor CHEA accredit individual institutions." < 1389445143 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389445168 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1389445259 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-142.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1389445293 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-142.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1389445293 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389445322 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389445574 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389445709 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389445783 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389445864 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389446122 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-142.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1389446156 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-142.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1389446156 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389446176 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389446694 0 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.95.91 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1389446712 0 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.95.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389447497 0 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.95.91 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1389447513 0 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.95.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389447608 0 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kindofnormal.com/wumo/2014/01/11 < 1389447861 0 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389448551 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389448791 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389451731 0 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389451749 0 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389451958 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-142.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1389451973 0 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forestcenter.cl/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karhu < 1389451992 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-142.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1389451992 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389453281 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's intentional given the röntyset? < 1389453757 0 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.95.91 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389453801 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389453814 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okhellopol < 1389453862 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintophia < 1389453886 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389454460 0 :S1!~S1_chatzi@pD9FCAFB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1389454540 0 :S1!~S1_chatzi@pD9FCAFB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310] < 1389454587 0 :S1!~S1_chatzi@pD9FCAFB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1389455610 0 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389456864 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389459484 0 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389463620 0 :S1!?@? NICK :S1_afk < 1389464093 0 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389464241 0 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389464930 0 :S1_afk!?@? NICK :S1 < 1389466139 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389466557 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389466899 0 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"for instance, 400 years before we had computers, we had email, which is a raised or embossed image pressed into metal. " < 1389467075 0 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not get it < 1389467082 0 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's about telegraphs, it's a bit early < 1389467092 0 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it's about actual mail, it's a bit late < 1389467101 0 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1389467104 0 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He means < 1389467108 0 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :émaille < 1389467111 0 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dohoho < 1389468162 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@206.181.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389468410 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_Limited < 1389468613 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389468690 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389469209 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389469241 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389469275 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389469487 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389469646 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389470446 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@206.181.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389470454 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389470509 0 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389470627 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1389470737 0 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389471174 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Call for Papers - Special Issue on Facial Biometrics in the Wild" < 1389471370 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@206.181.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is tetzold.com down for anyone else? < 1389472429 0 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be down from here < 1389472931 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/tetzold.com < 1389473362 0 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389473520 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389473553 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389473701 0 :w00tles!~w00tles@87-104-164-168-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk QUIT :Quit: quit < 1389473859 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389473961 0 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389474274 0 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389474408 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389476316 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@206.181.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, have emailed the site owner. < 1389476380 0 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1389477268 0 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.95.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389477881 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1389478312 0 :S1_!~S1_chatzi@p4FF921E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1389478343 0 :S1_!~S1_chatzi@p4FF921E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1389478461 0 :S1!~S1_chatzi@pD9FCAFB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389479261 0 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389479408 0 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/mQmXYh4.png < 1389479449 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh < 1389479696 0 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spock MacGyver http://youtu.be/wzBShJ2dNfQ < 1389480595 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389480602 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389480631 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389482125 0 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389482529 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1389483222 0 :conehea__!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389483246 0 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389483274 0 :conehea__!?@? NICK :conehead < 1389483305 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1389484225 0 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric > 1389567975 883083 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389567978 633003 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1389567979 29543 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1389567980 38494 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389567980 556731 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389567982 293536 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1389567988 38655 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :aouch, emacs broke my left pinkie < 1389568018 482765 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: You shouldn't have used the default keybindings < 1389568024 728678 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1389568029 396496 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are very stressful if you are using an IBM keyboard < 1389568048 416489 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I know about the caps-lock rebind trick < 1389568058 505053 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't want to apply it system wide < 1389568067 477715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There's size-specific rules here, too. Shops larger than 400 square metres have their own rules, and shops smaller than 100 square metres have the same rules as gas station shops smaller than 400 square metres. < 1389568071 21003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: also if by electoral quirks you mean having a proportional system where small parties are needed for stable coalitions. < 1389568077 528489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But you can make a bigger shop if it's attached to a gas station. < 1389568178 356490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ic. apparently so you can in norway too, although it's not as big a difference. small enough that small shops without gas stations are used, anyway. < 1389568209 376043 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: any particular reason why not? < 1389568219 543591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 100 square metres is p. small for a shop, to be honest. < 1389568220 427865 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that idea frightens me < 1389568233 437508 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :10m x 10m < 1389568239 464447 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's indeed very small < 1389568268 312922 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea of having a key that causes one to textually scream frightens me more < 1389568272 558042 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fair enough < 1389568286 344632 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should switch caps-lock to be shift-lock again < 1389568288 617736 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was more useful < 1389568299 568988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes it is, although it's enough for the kind of emergency articles you run to a shop on sunday to buy. < 1389568312 308858 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish there was a nice keyboard layout editor < 1389568364 238659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just went to the nearby gas station shop yesterday, because it's (just barely, but still) the closest shop. Started to change batteries of the smoke detector, only to find that both spares had gone bad. < 1389568377 539196 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1389568384 421670 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389568388 412964 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One had leaked innards out, and the other measured about 4.4 V out of the nominal 9 V.) < 1389568389 569706 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rebound the caps-lock < 1389568429 258502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't buy "Philips Powerlife" brand, I guess.) < 1389568436 452340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: godless bike shops? http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/new_york/unkosher_wheels_friendly_faces < 1389568465 167318 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leaky battery is never fun < 1389568466 228171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Should've gone with "Philips Longlife" instead.) < 1389568494 815534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I don't think I've seen those green "Longlife" ones except in this Google image search. < 1389568527 81407 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say anything about godless bike shops < 1389568556 32634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks the smoke detector here is mains connected < 1389568570 179962 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even have one < 1389568570 923914 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1389568576 163599 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody here has < 1389568592 540846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in norway i'm pretty sure they're mandatory by law. < 1389568617 752367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389568622 340849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i may be breaking the law by not having unpacked the fire extinguisher that was in the closet. < 1389568632 114663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1389568635 744562 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never saw a legit fire in my life < 1389568663 446477 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389568680 794439 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, rewatching babylon 5, I've realized that two main characters look almost exactly the same and I probably didn't realize they were different people the first time through < 1389568681 909353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we did have a false alarm in this building before christmas, someone was making christmas food < 1389568702 31705 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it a goat head? < 1389568732 860876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess the irritation of not having to change batteries has been replaced by the irritation of possible false alarms from all the neighbors. < 1389568761 600887 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :false alarms drove me insane in edinburgh < 1389568768 517483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: i didn't ask. rather unlikely. it wasn't on christmas itself so probably cookies of some sort. < 1389568777 653088 :impomatic!~digital_w@15.50.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone tried AgonyWar? http://esolangs.org/wiki/Agony < 1389568796 125693 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm glad that we don't use smoke detector in flats < 1389568811 732459 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're used in institutions and office buildings < 1389568897 754026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: i don't think goat/sheep heads are common christmas food around these parts. < 1389568907 309500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :further west, maybe. < 1389568910 321637 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, okay < 1389568957 609581 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about brunost? < 1389568980 496448 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love it on toast but it's hard to find here < 1389569029 913836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the two main christmas eve dish choices are pork rib and pinnekjøtt (salted sheep meat boiled over wooden sticks) < 1389569041 513672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brunost is everyday food < 1389569116 837849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course there are a heap of other christmas dishes possible, some of which may be more common on other christmas days. lutefisk, cod, turkey... < 1389569146 203832 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1389569156 679921 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1389569201 697752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically lutefisk is usually cod, but...) < 1389569302 143152 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :carp is mandatory here < 1389569331 370004 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389569344 684421 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's this annoying custom that people usually buy live carps and keep them in bathtubs < 1389569357 291425 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then try to kill and prepare them < 1389569372 946579 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it usually goes horribly wrong < 1389569393 249327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :statistics from no.wikipedia: pork rib: about 60%, pinnekjøtt: about 33% < 1389569469 953732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess that's a pretty massive majority < 1389569626 941736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: i found a youtube link but it was disappointingly non-horrible. < 1389569823 85284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh found a proper table < 1389569955 36928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pork rib: 56%, pinnekjøtt: 31%, turkey: 6%, other roasted pork: 4%, lutefisk: 2%, cod: 1%, venison: 1% < 1389569979 877485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julemat#Norge < 1389570183 209935 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lich's Mirror has no effect if you concede the game. If you concede, you'll lose." < 1389570189 69503 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that an actual ruling < 1389570208 721649 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks tasty < 1389570341 632345 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389570433 974837 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=83133 < 1389570438 5755 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that happen < 1389570458 881221 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389570477 83986 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm, I take it "julbord" isn't as common in Norway, at least not on christmas eve? < 1389570483 541003 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, by actually having a huge library < 1389570535 447483 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wait, that isn't from one of the joke sets? < 1389570593 86187 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That *seems* broken to me, but I haven't played much MtG < 1389570593 962107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: indeed, "julebord" is firmly associated to _pre_-christmas parties in norwegian. < 1389570662 85658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Broken how? < 1389570698 145704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, the word essentially _means_ pre-christmas party. customarily with a christmas food buffet table but i don't think that's mandatory. < 1389570714 49318 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :our julbord also means the pre-christmas parties (like the kind that your office might send you on) < 1389570740 28734 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you also have a julbord on christmas < 1389570782 686498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we don't have it on christmas. < 1389570789 28465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got two (smoke detectors). Actually, I think there's even some guideline that you should have one per every 60 square metres, and this place is something like 61.5. < 1389570794 928597 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, I don't remember if there's any way to somehow search the library for a card (i.e. if there are cards with such effects), but if there are it seems like it'd be easy to cause a win < 1389570834 966461 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cards like "if x, you win the game" seem a bit hard to balance < 1389570930 563480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are cards with such effects, but you still need to draw one. < 1389570962 447345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you'll probably need quite a bit more than 200 cards, since you can only play these things on turn N. < 1389570974 918733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a concept of "juletrefest" mainly for the children, which can be either before or shortly after christmas. i think. i may not have been on one since i was a kid. < 1389571013 34865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you also have a way of putting things back into your library, I guess. < 1389571024 499079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juletrefest < 1389571120 267859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the word literally means "christmas tree party") < 1389571224 912475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Subject: Eris is the main object, Dysnomia the small grey disk just above it." Oh, spam subject lines. < 1389571280 482090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mistake of cosmic proportions < 1389571283 2311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping for something astronomical, but it's one of these spam messages I don't really "get", where the body also has just some random text and there's no attempt to actually sell/scam anything. < 1389571316 679719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While at Yale, Shevlin also developed a passion for the new sport of automobile racing. In 1891, he suffered a fall and an internal injury. In 1907, he moved to Vancouver and was also active in real estate. Another fight broke out in early spring 1915." < 1389571321 30399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the entire contents. < 1389571338 363587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both the plaintext and HTML versions, and the HTML version hasn't got any links. < 1389571343 119134 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s to add noise to spam filters. < 1389571410 238512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Plans within plans. < 1389571454 782265 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Discussion.aspx?multiverseid=241831 < 1389571470 396456 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"one day i want to cancel this card. just for fun." < 1389571507 94531 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389571555 563400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: huh that's fiendish if true < 1389571572 494006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what if you have an "Instants cost you {1} less to play"? then it might even be the right play < 1389571697 416853 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Procrastination is bad and umbrellas are :( < 1389571998 252585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, or maybe in a game with more than two players you might also want to use Cancel on it. < 1389572087 408912 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389572169 202291 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389572227 495851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read about someone who had a deck with a very large number of Islands and one Battle of Wits, and managed to win with that. < 1389572261 261372 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed I have the line ":ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer" in the same position in two IRC windows. < 1389572293 968595 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389572305 803588 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389572326 856952 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389572444 404915 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://magiccards.info/ds/en/114.html < 1389572457 997975 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there ways to fight against that other than winning fast (well, I guess 20 turns is a long time)? < 1389572548 68754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "exile target artifact" effects is the most obvious < 1389572557 82620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also use a card that removes counters < 1389572571 593099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bounce it (Boomerang, etc.) < 1389572648 424052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In tournaments, you must be able to shuffle your entire deck within a reasonable amount of time." < 1389572671 318387 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://magiccards.info/isd/en/61.html this seems awesome for fighting against miller decks < 1389572686 78604 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if he can relate topological graph theory to programming languages < 1389572792 92577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i guess cards like Vorel of the Hull Clade can double the jams on Darksteel Reactor < 1389572863 633103 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you manage to pick Darksteel Reactor in a draft, then see if you have enough defense and counterspell then maybe it can help you to win with such a thing. < 1389572934 182783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Limited formats are the only formats I ever play; I don't like the Constructed formats.) < 1389573321 116643 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can actually afford to play Magic now < 1389573355 378288 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, PokerTH allows spectators now < 1389573640 424261 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389573676 892740 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389573934 72668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much money can you expect to lose on average if you play Limited formats and sell all cards you manage to get after the tournament is finished? < 1389573955 894717 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389573975 594753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's been tested very extensively on Magic Online, the answer is "if you're a good player, you make money, so long as you're careful to normally play against people worse than yourself" < 1389574053 103238 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can sell your virtual cards on MGO? < 1389574061 946442 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MTGO < 1389574068 330046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah, but only for MTGO currency < 1389574082 997913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, you can then use the currency to enter more MTGO tournaments < 1389574095 939107 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I need real currency to buy MTGO currency I assume, if I don't sell cards < 1389574096 123520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you end up not spending any real money, and gaining more and more MTGO currency over time < 1389574122 735916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What if you play in just normal tournaments in a store or anime convention or something? < 1389574131 447896 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole real money thing is what bothered me most about MTGO, but... I actually have money now < 1389574134 695703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rather than being careful to pick the opponents) < 1389574148 134290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's still really expensive, though < 1389574153 66256 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's worse than needing real money -- you need real money AND need to take care of your cards < 1389574169 662261 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you sell your virtual cards on MtGox < 1389574172 166086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not anymore) < 1389574186 86303 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(not anymore)"? < 1389574193 892652 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :( < 1389574212 526448 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess I don't know if the fun I can imagine having on MTGO is worth the cost :/ < 1389574289 454585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have enough fun playing Magic to be worth the cost, but then Lorwyn was released, and I stopped having fun < 1389574298 985406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The cards would be sold right at the tournament though, right after it is finished, I mean; how much would you expect to lose on average? < 1389574314 559118 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't really want to sell cards < 1389574359 101249 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1389574360 56151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: MtGox stands for Magic: the Gathering Online Exchange < 1389574360 962910 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1389574370 18424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it started as a place to sell magic cards, before they got into this newfangled "Bitcoin" thing < 1389574385 412394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, whoa, whoa < 1389574394 725794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was an online exchange for magic: the gathering < 1389574401 235548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an exchange for magic: the gathering online < 1389574403 242050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is it < 1389574405 662959 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is telling the truth, if Wikipedia is telling the truth < 1389574407 306626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want to play Magic: the Gathering or something on computer, I would prefer to use different software which has open source and allows putting in your own cards and all that stuff too < 1389574411 790770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm not sure < 1389574436 348723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I used Apprentice Way Back In The Day < 1389574439 884764 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the convenience of having the software understand the meaning of the cards overrides that for me < 1389574474 407871 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, to write a software that supports it. In fact I had ideas like that too! < 1389574508 661858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could compile card texts with various annotations into a Haskell code. < 1389574614 340446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i get a bunch of magic: the gathering cards < 1389574646 219720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't recommend it; you don't need any. < 1389574675 481323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't need any for what? < 1389574680 436052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They will give you some when you enter, and you can sell them back afterward. < 1389574704 690357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who will < 1389574737 401581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my coworkers play it a lot but in general there is no selling or buying of cards < 1389574833 935086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tournament, if you pay the entry fee they will give you three packs of cards. You can resell them immediately afterward. < 1389574844 684290 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basic land cards can be borrowed for free. < 1389574883 408730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the entry fee similar to the cost of three packs of cards < 1389574898 535490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, I don't know. < 1389574910 85337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's a bit more than the cost of three packs of cards, traditionally < 1389574917 496196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol surprise there < 1389574917 680946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you win the tournament generally you will be given an extra pack. < 1389574942 805679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run olist 937 # Sgeo already did this but HackEgo was gone < 1389574947 373728 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust myself with physical cards anymore < 1389574948 186811 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 937: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1389574964 978311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No! The message has to start with "`olist" deliberately. < 1389574973 271381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it already did once, so that's OK) < 1389575000 729827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's your interpretation. < 1389575014 261630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i search for my nick, not `olist. < 1389575026 447349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome HackEgo < 1389575029 343688 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06HackEgo: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.) < 1389575038 888022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: See, so oerjan did `run olist, so that there would only be one message starting with `olist in the logs. < 1389575044 362756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But your nick willl appear in various other messages too. < 1389575047 968491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ideal. < 1389575059 376127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes that is what I mentioned second time. (Also, `run allows you to add comments afterward, like is done there.) < 1389575078 469695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what oerjan did is ideal. < 1389575086 81889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: of course, and i want to see those too, which is why i search for my nick. < 1389575142 521416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: anyway the reason i did it now was because some nicks were not mentioned the last time. although only FireFly it seems, who saw the `olist anyway. < 1389575153 673860 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK. < 1389575541 435403 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.95.91 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389575719 437881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Note to self: if a recipe says "serves 4", I am not physically able to eat it all in one sitting < 1389575723 937988 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1158) Note to self: if a recipe says "serves 4", I am not physically able to eat it all in one sitting < 1389575827 276877 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only 4? < 1389575845 427680 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389575850 816251 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A deck with 60 Plains would be tournament-legal, right? < 1389575858 32549 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1389575863 35795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :60 trains < 1389575871 911233 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be *bad*, but perfectly legal. < 1389575877 816247 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389575944 46193 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389575947 116446 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389575949 465805 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A deck of 600 Plains would *also* be tournament legal. (assuming you can shuffle that in the time allotted) < 1389576313 548466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how good does the shuffle need to be < 1389576321 688615 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indistinguishable from random by any polynomial time turing machine? < 1389576445 752670 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unspecified, but given that tournaments are human-judge-governed, "enough that you don't piss the judge off". < 1389576479 932275 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a plain < 1389576587 86499 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Plains is a Magic card. Its type is Basic Land -- Plains. It has no text. < 1389576649 629928 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds pretty plain < 1389576658 527640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has the intrinsic ability "{T}: Add {W} to your mana pool" < 1389576678 420441 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it has the land subtype Plains. < 1389576750 98044 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some versions have a huge {W} symbol in their text box, does that count as text? < 1389576752 444286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :plain ol' land < 1389576762 922024 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No. < 1389576785 396220 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Versions with "{T}: Add {W} to your mana pool" or some variation thereof also have no text. < 1389576830 130961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, whoa, whoa, why not < 1389576850 453557 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the rules say so. < 1389576891 864390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where < 1389576897 390023 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In essence, the card's printed contents say absolutely nothing about what the card's properties are. < 1389576910 636781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obligatory "i'd tap that" < 1389576940 604177 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 108.1 < 1389577075 323709 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389577158 998168 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1389577303 831460 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389577410 451885 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389577427 189431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that is silly that the rules would say it has no text. < 1389577459 601390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think other rules of Magic: the Gathering also are no good or are too klugy or other reasons. < 1389577512 770271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a list < 1389577528 607844 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I did actually write down a list, unfortunately. < 1389577536 763317 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not it's pretty trivial to make one. < 1389577545 398560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I also think "Planeswalker" is a bad name for a card type. < 1389577549 893425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, that is true. < 1389577587 557478 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MTG rules are really *blatantly* a kludge. < 1389577675 698145 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, a lot, and I have a lot of idea to fix. I also hate that they removed mana burn; it is a very strategical importance. But a good thing they fixed is chaing the name of "remove from game" zone to "exile" zone; now is more sensible that part, at least. < 1389577697 783012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since, such zone are really still part of the game.) < 1389577713 591109 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want to play rummy. < 1389577721 630534 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those cards have no text and everyone likes it that way! < 1389577740 674128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: OK, then play rummy. There is several different kind of rummy game, too. < 1389577751 463730 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i play rummy with Magic cards < 1389577770 94418 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't know. Possibly you can figure out a way. < 1389577776 93711 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least things don't gain Substance anymore. < 1389577786 584344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you can play rummy with Yomi cards though. < 1389577815 644660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you allowed to tap artifacts if they don't have an activated ability that costs {T} < 1389577829 608286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Only if something says so, I think. < 1389577835 413077 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Not unless something lets you, no. < 1389577945 269913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's with Howling Mine () < 1389577970 150763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that just written that way in case something else can cause it to be tapped? < 1389577989 77039 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't yomi the samurai's arrows in nethack < 1389578008 583875 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is written that way explicitly so it doesn't function if something causes it to be tapped. < 1389578029 609346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That isn't what I meant. < 1389578062 170925 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ah*. It's really old in part. Way back when, continuous artifacts didn't work when they became tapped for whatever reason. < 1389578073 346964 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wording is to preserve that functionality. < 1389578088 769395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Howling Mine could be good to cause opponents running out of cards more fastly, I suppose, if you have ways to replenish your draw pile from your discard pile or something like that. < 1389578108 699551 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are cards that cause artifacts to become tapped, FWIW. < 1389578115 20876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1389578118 428663 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's even some that let you tap another artifact as a cost. < 1389578122 772527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1389578138 643949 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ultimately, it's a matter of that being one heck of an old card. < 1389578206 637511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when something says you may return it from your graveyard to the battlefield, does that mean that it has to have been in the battlefield in the past? < 1389578216 811059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if you discard it from your hand, you can't use that ability? < 1389578224 187614 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No it doesn't mean it has to be. < 1389578242 828336 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it tries to put back a Instant or Sorcery it just remains where it is, I think. < 1389578324 802 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :meconium < 1389578329 787578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something gets a bunch of jams and then goes to your graveyard, scavenge will just use the printed power on it, right? < 1389578342 734628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :printer jams? < 1389578353 323407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1/+1 jams < 1389578373 831997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or other kinds i suppose < 1389578405 957734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kick out the jams < 1389578595 323673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like the rule that auras that are also creatures are discarded, and the rule that -1/-1 and +1/+1 counters are removed each other, and that losing due to unable to drawing a card is a state based effect rather than being immediate. < 1389578775 179482 :meconium!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1389579238 464261 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT : < 1389579273 462058 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389579283 901917 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389579443 400266 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey MTGO finished installing < 1389579450 686522 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, downloading < 1389579547 374394 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wizards of the Coast allows collectors who have assembled a full set of digital cards to exchange them for a factory set of printed cards for a $25 shipping and handling fee. Regular cards and foils cannot be mixed. Each set is eligible for a period of up to 4 years after the online release. This program was initially created in order to allay doubt and uncertainty over the investment into virtual cards" < 1389579550 909550 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....investment? < 1389579577 747649 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the purpose of buying the virtual cards was to have fun, not to invest < 1389579596 138324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever you want somebody to spend unreasonably much money on something useless, you call it an "investment" < 1389579611 502820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's marketing 101 sgeo < 1389579644 44804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the only reason people can afford Magic cards at all in formats like Legacy is that they can sell them again afterwards and make back most of the money < 1389579664 103427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any viable Legacy deck costs like $2000 < 1389579751 792349 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: To be fair-ish, the cost on Legacy-viable Magic cards is rather stable. < 1389579770 507593 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buuut yeah. < 1389579781 506981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not always, new releases can blow things up < 1389579787 931651 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Far better phrased as "pile of cash donated to my hobby" < 1389579791 700156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was the debacle with True-Name Nemesis recently < 1389579831 447332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's massively in demand for Legacy, and only available in one of five theme decks that Wizards keeps producing in equal quantities and insisting that shops buy an equal number of each < 1389579839 900329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :leading to the other four ending up stuck on shelves < 1389579851 790396 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MTGO isn't going to be too expensive for me to play casually, is it? < 1389579896 899222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how many cards you want < 1389579914 277098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way it works is, you buy tix for $1 each, tix enter you into tournaments, where you can win boosters as prizes < 1389579928 330003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the smallest tournaments are two-man tournaments, it's 2 tix for each player to enter < 1389579931 259082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the winner gets 1 booster < 1389579936 563440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you also get to keep drafted cards in MTGO or not? < 1389579939 400765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's $4 on average for 15 cards, if you have a 50% win rate < 1389579949 380586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there are two sorts of MTGO drafts, some where you keep them, some where you don't < 1389579980 310697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you enter a tournament where you get to keep them, you have to supply 3 boosters to enter, or else like 12 tix if you don't have the boosters (that's $12) < 1389579988 450187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one draft is going to cost you like $15 < 1389580019 527761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are bots that sell boosters from recent sets for like 3 and a half tix each, though < 1389580025 451634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the exact price varies continuously) < 1389580053 299765 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I just buy decks to play against randoms and friends? < 1389580066 997416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1389580134 264581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard that you can predict which cards will be in a booster box by opening a few of the packs < 1389580137 254655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that true < 1389580139 237562 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/digital/magiconline/img_grapeshot.png < 1389580145 433751 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each copy itself doesn't storm, does it? < 1389580160 62812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Storm is a trigger that triggers on casting < 1389580162 193897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the copies aren't cast < 1389580162 380098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're talking about the online thing anyway. ok < 1389580166 339145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're copied while they're on the stack < 1389580196 822628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that would be a trivial infinite loop if they did < 1389580224 97316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, the person in charge of Magic design is insisting they're never going to do Storm again because it's been a complete balance nightmare every time they've tried < 1389580322 191878 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: should I install wide beta or the current version? < 1389580350 943988 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also sounds like a UI nightmare, but are there other mechanics that are also UI nightmares? < 1389580351 581397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: they're compatible; Wizards wants everyone to use the beta but nobody does < 1389580361 821894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why < 1389580370 392419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they claim the beta's better, at least < 1389580377 151536 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost downloaded beta by accident because it defaulted to it < 1389580388 573789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1389580390 181985 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to wait until it's stable, but then, I used Gmail while it was in beta < 1389580395 599285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lololololol < 1389580405 870489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Haunt's probably the biggest UI nightmare, it's a UI nightmare even in real-life play < 1389580569 653029 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently MTGO doesn't work in WINE? ais523, how do you use it (assuming you do, rather than knowing everything about a game you don't play) < 1389580586 791323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't use it < 1389580594 2993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing everything about games I don't play is one of my hobbies < 1389580605 794669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I follow MTGO beta development, and used to watch streams of it a bunch < 1389580608 994834 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389580619 258052 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :streams of development or gameplay? < 1389580636 48953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gameplay < 1389580642 599251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody streams the beta, that's how I know it's unpopular < 1389580656 823754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the development isn't streamed, development rarely is < 1389580674 407076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote knowing everything about games I don't play is one of my hobbies < 1389580677 979666 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1159) knowing everything about games I don't play is one of my hobbies < 1389580692 560792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: seriously, it takes up like half my leisure time that isn't programming < 1389580719 628328 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind ofdo the same with programming languages :/ < 1389580726 919451 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And games, except for the 'everything' bit < 1389580893 565397 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the limitations of using macros to add continuations to languages that don't have them might mirror Haskell's continuation stuff only being available to functions that support it by producing a Cont whatever < 1389580923 82995 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, hmm < 1389580983 23068 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (`runCont` id) $ shift (\k -> fmap map k (map return [1,2,3])) < 1389580984 67726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type `GHC.Types.Int < 1389580984 252086 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> ([m0 a1] -> a0 -> b0) -> [a0] -> [b0]' < 1389580984 252256 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with `Control.Monad.Trans.Cont.ContT < 1389580984 252438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : r0 Data.Functor.Identity.Identity r0' < 1389580984 252536 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: Control.Monad.Trans.Cont.Cont r0 r0 < 1389580993 887693 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... should think about things more thoroughly < 1389581003 613067 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (`runCont` id) $ shift (\k -> fmap map k <*> (map return [1,2,3])) < 1389581004 491330 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type `GHC.Types.Int -> [a0 -> b0] -> [[b0]]' < 1389581004 675825 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with `Control.Monad.Trans.Cont.ContT < 1389581004 675980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : r0 Data.Functor.Identity.Identity r0' < 1389581004 676080 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: Control.Monad.Trans.Cont.Cont r0 r0 < 1389581004 676167 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: GHC.Types.Int -> [a0 -> b0] -> [[b0]] < 1389581013 298289 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't count as thorough thinking < 1389581167 153281 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Magic Online want admin on my computer? < 1389581284 729494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's badly programmed < 1389581292 217546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a tendency to crash, including during tournaments < 1389581426 333459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are also other reasons I wouldn't want to use such software. < 1389581472 667977 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the beta version any better about not crashing? < 1389581493 604858 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O LispWorks is expensive < 1389581493 954804 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lispworks.com/buy/prices-1c.html < 1389581500 388174 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the other popular commerical CL? < 1389581540 626227 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allegro I think < 1389581572 718229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I think the most infamous crashes are on the server end, so it doesn't matter what client you use for that < 1389581831 28306 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389582104 949149 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 QUIT :Client Quit < 1389582291 824472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log `olist 937 < 1389582323 41696 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389582324 478861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log `olist 937 < 1389582334 411648 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014-01-13.txt:03:05:24: `log `olist 937 < 1389582340 998913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typical < 1389582350 786013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log > `olist 937 < 1389582356 412536 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014-01-13.txt:03:05:50: `log > `olist 937 < 1389582365 486370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :…wait, that's possible? < 1389582379 144955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [^] ]> `olist 937 < 1389582385 765550 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389582389 690422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 937 < 1389582391 287005 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 937: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1389582392 704577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is triumphant < 1389582532 635192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :triumphant yet failed < 1389582549 151468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: HackEgo was down when the actual `olist was attempted < 1389582565 892437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't you mean glogbot? < 1389582572 2162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or were they both down? < 1389582573 978824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well both < 1389582576 517082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1389582582 117199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in that case the pings never happened the first time < 1389582612 448310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't blame me for unwanted pings < 1389582650 383563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, i did it second time just because it didn't ping. _but_ i used `run olist instead of `olist because i included a comment that i knew it had already been done. < 1389582665 650566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the third time i've been notified about this comic < 1389582685 427289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i guess i just found another argument for you for why i shouldn't use `run olist < 1389582697 529526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's like you actively want to be mispinged < 1389582716 134070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* < 1389582757 424924 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What other argument? If it has already been done and you want to add a comment that is the reason to use `run which is already known. < 1389582790 380430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you mean for reading the log? < 1389582801 11194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i didn't think that someone (ais523) might want to check if `olist had already been used _without_ being on the list himself < 1389582817 192001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in that case, isn't glogbackup for? < 1389582832 944041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I checked by asking HackEgo if anyone had said `olist < 1389582844 527701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it said no, because it wasn't around the first time, and the second time it wasn't spelled `olist < 1389582859 351405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Gregor has never made glogbackup merge in its logs properly. you may help nagging him if you want. < 1389582862 402911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, OK, then. < 1389582877 600951 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes he really should fix it please. < 1389582916 568548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wow that's a confusing sentence < 1389582935 567341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you made a request to someone, in the third person, while pinging someone else, then added "pleae" < 1389582938 416294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"please" < 1389582972 127420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is in case you can contact them too. (I already did sent a message) < 1389583325 846524 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389583720 846692 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say I have a .tar.xz archive. Is there some way I can add to it without having to decompress it all and recompress it? < 1389583736 119132 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something with similar compression that supports incremental addition? < 1389583849 89507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about xz, or tar, but you can concatenate gzip files and it's equivalent to gzipping the concatenation of the decompressed files, except bigger < 1389583852 952338 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, but not easily. < 1389583864 648547 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xz has the same property. < 1389583879 826108 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trick is adding to a tar. I don't know if there's any real way to do that nicely. < 1389583886 307358 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I was hoping for it to be able to reconstruct its compressor state and let me pretend I just added shit onto the end of the stream < 1389583910 901485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I want is something like tar but which builds a compression-compatible index, so I can do random access < 1389583916 920696 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should use squashfs as my archive format < 1389583938 126476 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be handy to mount archives < 1389583946 509595 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a lot of annoyingly large json files that share a lot of structure and they compress beautifully < 1389583953 294183 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't want to compress them all at once < 1389583962 200082 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and xz achieves ridiculous ratios on them :( < 1389583970 849631 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, is the concatenation of two tarballs a valid tarball? < 1389584004 734727 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would seem "not really". < 1389584041 689801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: you could stuff each one into a JSON object like {'filename': 'foo.json', 'data': ...} and then your archive format is just "sequence of json values" and you can concat .xz files < 1389584071 615405 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but concatting them doesn't get me the same benefit :/ < 1389584078 499874 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yep, tar does have an EOF marker in it, which is why it doesn't work. < 1389584081 454066 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I have enough of them, the marginal growth of adding another json file is tiny < 1389584091 910646 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas compressing them individually grows much faster < 1389584094 86920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Presumably that is so that it works if loaded on a tape? < 1389584099 635651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see, you want to compress it wrt the existing structure < 1389584102 670101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can concat .ttyrec < 1389584103 930078 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389584111 879382 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems rather unlikely to be a common use case < 1389584116 342512 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd make me very happy < 1389584120 909320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't a compression format, it's a video codec < 1389584209 394629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also make the archive format just, have a null-terminated filename followed by the 32-bit length and then data of that file. Now it can easily be concatenated. < 1389584330 192653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but if the data is already JSON then might as well use JSON for the container as well < 1389584423 679660 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :for scale, I have about 20k json files using up close to 6gb < 1389584430 465814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, if the data is already JSON, then that can work < 1389584457 790576 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :they compress to about 80MB < 1389584475 670478 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :horribly redundant structure, even apart from the json noise < 1389584484 750851 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :(format isn't under my control unfortunately) < 1389584656 74699 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a small number of files compressed together then you can afford to recompress them all whenever you add one... and occasionally when that gets big enough you recompress it together with the next bigger chunk of files... and so forth < 1389584704 274780 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, nice. Amortising the compressor cost. < 1389584746 30461 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389584752 438107 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1389584800 637522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk gave a talk at mozilla sf which was about some data structure which used a list of arrays whose sizes followed counting in skew binary < 1389584806 798698 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389584821 556647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you never have a cascade of carries, which here would correspond to recompressing a whole lot of data at once < 1389584822 11683 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem in this case is that at some point merging large ones will get impossibly large < 1389584837 851684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can stop at some point < 1389584842 663285 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess, yeah < 1389584860 845699 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can afford to store 80MB per 20k files, then don't bother compressing chunks bigger than 20k < 1389584875 41761 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389584885 672029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree that something which can resume the compressor state would be more elegant, though < 1389584896 666103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know of anything like that < 1389584920 446012 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no real reason it can't be done, but yeah. < 1389584930 214006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you can write or hack up a compressor implementation to serialize its state at the end of the output < 1389584973 85166 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least in gzip, and presumably also in xz, the compressor state up to a point can be entirely derived from the compressed output up to that point) < 1389584980 516109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, neat < 1389584985 450169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> afk < 1389585055 699160 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The compressor may have looked ahead further, but when it's outputting the compressed text it's already output everything that depends on future text in the stream (namely, symbol frequencies for the Huffman table) < 1389585105 958763 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the symbol frequencies and window are just about all of the compression state. < 1389585214 646521 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: remind me tomorrow to help with Dylan < 1389585226 257438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1389585392 606457 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, I want to help financially if possible < 1389585716 838738 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of annoyed that opendylan.org's https certificate is expired, want to fix tthat < 1389585872 250247 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, I was hoping that already existed somewhere < 1389586174 187686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo 19:53 shachaf: remind me tomorrow to help with Dylan < 1389586174 409092 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1389586536 106051 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1389586589 461349 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1389586600 385792 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389586612 339758 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1389586637 602201 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex NICK :preflex < 1389588096 531708 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389588130 418995 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389588423 318854 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389590418 24041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> x $ y ? z < 1389590419 12758 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `?' < 1389590429 924321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> x $ y & z < 1389590430 886288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `b0 -> t0' < 1389590431 73691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr'Couldn't match e... < 1389590431 73824 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr' < 1389590446 859894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \x y z -> x $ y & z < 1389590447 669655 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b -> t) -> a -> (a -> b) -> t < 1389590718 687451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> f $ x & g < 1389590719 893129 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.FromExpr b0) < 1389590720 77917 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity check for `e_1' < 1389590720 78075 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.FromExpr (b -> t), < 1389590720 78162 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.FromExpr b) < 1389590720 78253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : bound by the inferred type for `e_1': < 1389590747 580970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> f $ x & g :: Expr < 1389590748 560487 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.FromExpr b0) < 1389590748 748446 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `Debug.SimpleReflect.Vars.g' < 1389590748 748580 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable `b0' is ambiguous < 1389590748 748669 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: add a type signature that fixes these type variable(s) < 1389590748 748759 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1389590751 63918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (f::Expr->Expr) $ (x::Expr) & (g::Expr->Expr) :: Expr < 1389590752 162247 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : f (g x) < 1389590761 234347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so simple!! < 1389590867 624742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i was really just checking if $ and & had the right fixities to be combined like that. < 1389590898 96646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was editing a stackoverflow answer < 1389590994 363531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21084178/using-lens-in-haskell-to-modify-values < 1389591047 770394 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1389591049 733167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't even give the simple answer :'( < 1389591056 787147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: seen tel < 1389591056 970757 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : tel was last seen on #haskell 25 days, 8 hours, 15 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: I'd like to annotate the expression with cofree, but both Bound and cofree want to use the same variable to recurse on < 1389591063 840326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1389591079 576678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: my edit was adding the simple answer, i hope < 1389591099 464530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hasn't been approved yet, though < 1389591109 469834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :your edits need to be approved? < 1389591128 551603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i approve edits or do you need more superpowers for that < 1389591174 580349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently i can review suggested edits but only random ones from who knows where < 1389591181 809786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i believe i need 2000 rep to get autoapproved, only have 480 yet < 1389591260 312508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :made a big jump today though < 1389591274 957094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gameify quickly giving wrong answers to programming questions < 1389591333 548581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is the first time i try to edit someone else's answer, anyway < 1389591355 193281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: whoa, just like irc < 1389591391 384370 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf++ < 1389591518 459918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: i get it < 1389591532 316035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't get Nu Maybe :'( what am i missing < 1389591541 552916 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's to get? < 1389591549 240481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you need to get something fixed < 1389591555 542694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is my code so ugly < 1389591575 387280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :for addition and multiplication and all that < 1389591615 380510 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could see multiplication being a huge pain to define in a total language < 1389591662 898110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "correct" multiplication anyway < 1389591675 885223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 0 * infty or infty * 0, both 0? < 1389591687 859148 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might not even be possible! < 1389591697 785420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what's not possible < 1389591712 297408 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could write that < 1389591724 9333 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :the choices are all pretty arbitrary though < 1389591732 814254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary things are the worst < 1389591760 259968 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389592137 756024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src on < 1389592137 977055 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*) `on` f = \x y -> f x * f y < 1389592193 582754 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot that you can use infix operators as formal parameters < 1389592196 217249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the fuckin' best < 1389592261 151847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now my question is, how do i quote that in a stackoverflow comment. < 1389592308 884611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(`` is used to start and end code fragments in SO.) < 1389592399 965869 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" the development isn't streamed, development rarely is" i've seen a lot of development streams? or, well, more like this is what we did this week. i guess they rarely stream the actual WHY IS THIS TURTLE SWIMMING BACKWARDS ARRRGH CORN, CORN EVERYWHERE. < 1389592433 976565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 0 * infty = 0 is standard in measure theory. < 1389592493 332021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i've seen oklopol break quite that much before. < 1389592622 904090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok apparently you can use `` around code which contains ` < 1389592637 871842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(`` ... ``, i mean) < 1389592673 751829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately i don't think `` is used in haskell. < 1389592681 191363 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes but that's how bad my code breaks. < 1389592692 553417 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :"``" < 1389592721 208430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1389592728 195804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes that won't show up < 1389592768 189119 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*) `on` f = \x y -> f x * f y -- you can use `` around an identifier to infixify it < 1389592776 588937 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :now with more real < 1389592839 827850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :{- "-}" " -} < 1389592858 48088 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why nested comments aren't < 1389592877 805083 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :(haskell's aren't nested, ocaml's aren't comments) < 1389593064 584531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops my edit was rejected < 1389593107 608367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :3:1 against < 1389593132 636172 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/7nsdf1g.gif < 1389593227 989071 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389593283 358048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how does measure theory work < 1389593358 208563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :made a comment instead. < 1389593392 907152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never measured a theory i didn't like < 1389593414 398139 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this about measure theory < 1389593438 959867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ZZZZ < 1389593461 36006 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it doesn't! it's not very constructive < 1389593467 829152 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :which basically means it's all bullshit < 1389593476 125848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: things don't gotta be constructive, all right?? < 1389593492 103916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like my criticism < 1389593494 173959 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬_¬ < 1389593502 809532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, maybe some topological thing has an answer to what it should be like? < 1389593505 198619 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :constructive criticism is overrated < 1389593589 140400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the topology thing for infinity manages to behave similarly to the conatural infinity < 1389593605 683983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: how do you do topology constructively, anyway < 1389593660 986033 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin constructivists < 1389593684 10762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :classical criticism < 1389593694 571057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"your painting doesn't not suck" < 1389593739 284260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :constructive criticism is related to classical criticism in a similar way to how constructive logic is related to classical logic < 1389593750 203589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are constructive you tell someone how to improve a thing < 1389593762 396035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you're just saying an improvement exists < 1389593850 289816 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you suck" < 1389593918 627393 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i say you suck so bad that no one (even your mother) can improve you. < 1389593931 849567 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i guess it's not even classical < 1389593961 676677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "improve" in the sense of "there exists something better" < 1389593982 931966 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1389593988 53291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ain't the top of the lattice, kid < 1389594005 36404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: is #haskell actually much worse on average than a few years ago or am i just more irritable < 1389594013 752453 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1389594026 936520 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, my attention has dwindled in the past couple of years < 1389594044 829458 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'd need specifics on what's bad, but nothing strikes me as particularly terrible < 1389594052 346513 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for you and kmc constantly complaining about it :) < 1389594062 34093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1389594083 951015 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I really barely read it anymore < 1389594088 608512 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's quite possible it's abysmal < 1389594099 255362 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I just happen to not notice < 1389594117 514772 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you say it's worse than other major channels? < 1389594123 337616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1389594136 913345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :major as in lots of people? < 1389594147 363179 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389594157 868098 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :feels a bit like it's diluted with time < 1389594171 691919 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of the regulars I remember are gone < 1389594179 601259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only complain intermittently < 1389594209 203960 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you say it's worse than other major channels? I'm genuinely curious to see a solid argument presenting what's bad about it < 1389594209 448957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1389594226 148403 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you don't know how to fix it < 1389594233 364588 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't demand that criticism be "constructive" :P < 1389594255 28928 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bullshit definition of "constructive criticism", anyway < 1389594258 514514 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1389594290 753110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably better than a lot of major channels, but that's no excuse < 1389594309 954204 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly not < 1389594325 264288 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :just trying to quantify how bad you see it < 1389594358 801169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i've been in large channels with much bigger problems < 1389594375 787653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problems in #haskell are a lot more subtle and that's what makes them (somewhat) interesting to talk about < 1389594382 112824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think I don't want to say very much about it right now < 1389594383 211055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably i'll just stop complaining and it'll be just as good < 1389594394 605243 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: fair enough, but at some point I'd still like to see it < 1389594444 550271 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, if you can go into what you think is wrong I think that'd be helpful < 1389594450 36434 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily now either < 1389594453 790911 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I'm tired too :P < 1389594504 347730 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems a shame for you to sweep your issues with it under the rug, but also a shame to try to deal with them without getting others to agree that they're issues in the first place < 1389594532 487559 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1389594535 833488 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :too tired to be coherent < 1389594538 572478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :deal with them how? < 1389594548 986919 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know! you comment on it a lot < 1389594553 340093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly what i do is leave the channel for a while, or recently use /ignore < 1389594566 456656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my /ignore list has 59 entries now, it's great :( < 1389594585 596836 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't seem optimal, assuming your long-term desire is to help it and/or improve it and/or be a part of it in some way or another < 1389594659 336355 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I dunno < 1389594675 61325 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :need moar time :P < 1389595445 207380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: anyway, even addition is awkward < 1389595453 168564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i bet i'm missing something < 1389596138 90647 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389596157 132047 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389596293 911542 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389596469 311041 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf Should I spam you so you have an excuse to make it an even sixty? < 1389596492 978484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't /ignore that many people in here. < 1389596513 944356 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could spam you in PM < 1389596529 809426 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with ascii art of feet < 1389596533 841190 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy! Watch! < 1389596546 826745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :peapodamus: Please don't. < 1389596554 52178 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1389596635 885396 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389596898 726129 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can spam me < 1389596906 180430 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like spam < 1389596916 31474 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes me feel important < 1389597036 920194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, am i on your ignore list < 1389597165 159344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the answer is "yes", how will you ever know < 1389597168 664273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no < 1389597183 447446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do people on your ignore list ever use bots to harass you i.e. @tell shachaf < 1389597198 942446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt it < 1389597205 210215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an assembler which allows a code section for a postprocessor, which is written in the same machine code that the rest of the program is; an emulator is included. The postprocessor code shares all symbol names with the main code, and uses the same macros, etc. Do you know of any other programs that have such a feature like this? < 1389597208 28125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i take people off the list, too < 1389597233 571685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that they're terrible people or anything < 1389597269 823902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sometimes i look at logs < 1389597280 225894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does a postprocessor do < 1389597283 257964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shouldn't be talking about this so much, anyway < 1389597311 733508 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389597320 810465 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It can modify the binary before writing it out to the file; it can also specify the format of the output file, and a few other things. < 1389597474 918001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find this feature useful, whether or not other people do. < 1389597573 731122 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389597616 87712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you use it for? < 1389597712 227961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this program I am working on now, the postprocessor fills in an identity table, fills in unused entries in a jump table (the used entries are created using macros), creates all the necessary tile variants in the pattern tables, and adds loop addresses to the music data. < 1389597758 192165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In another program I have used it to output a custom header. Another purpose is compile-time debugging. < 1389598059 944007 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1389598377 383548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :compile-time debugging? how does that work? < 1389598473 563667 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't get people who say this sucks because 'all it does' is give you mana... By that reasoning Basic Lands suck, good luck making a full 0 CMC deck that doesn't suck." < 1389598486 188580 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A deck that uses no mana? That seems interesting < 1389598657 586932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Manaless Dredge is sometimes seen in Legacy < 1389598663 283380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs no mana, and in fact can't generate any < 1389598675 971110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pretty much the only thing that interacts with it is graveyard hate < 1389598684 453204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only deck that people choose to play second against < 1389598700 558037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it literally can't do anything until it starts its engine going via discarding to maximum hand size < 1389598740 820719 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/deck/760 this? it looks like it can generate mana, and has a lot of mana-using cards < 1389598772 375735 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep < 1389598922 693053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah, that < 1389598929 44122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dakmor Salvage is never actually /played/ < 1389598935 482580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just there to be dredged < 1389598965 503333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only cards that are actually cast are Cabal Therapy and Dread Return, using the flashback costs < 1389598980 453812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could play Cabal Therapy from Dakmor Salvage if you were desperate, and target yourself < 1389599088 761644 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389599105 297618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the cards in that deck are played for from-graveyard effects < 1389599315 337533 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Play cards as written. Ignore all errata." < 1389599340 646998 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens to interrupts? < 1389599351 967745 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or.... anything where there's been a terminology or rule change? < 1389599354 662354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's considered a game rule change, so they work like instants < 1389599359 667433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/legacy/22324_Deck_Tech_NotQuiteManaless_Dredge_With_Nicholas_Rausch.html is an explanation of that deck < 1389599366 727732 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389599370 425760 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"5/5 for turning Lotus Vale into Black Lotus" < 1389599371 538514 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1389599401 685070 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only magic thing i care about is that combo where you make the other player rip up all their cards < 1389599415 198679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ < 1389599435 668951 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there's a card where you have to tear up that card to use it < 1389599445 478202 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's in one of the joke decks < 1389599455 844591 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you combine that with a duplicatey thing and a target switchy thing or suchlike < 1389599468 431720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it doesn't actually work < 1389599473 755341 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't actually work < 1389599479 166354 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway: does anyone have an idea why a half life mod won't work on linux even though half life does < 1389599522 178349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Perhaps you have to tap it first. < 1389599528 860175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Compile-time debugging works by such thing as having a register $200A which is for standard I/O, so you can print diagnostic messages; the postprocessor can even copy the program it is compiling into its own RAM and execute it at compile-time (although the I/O registers and memory map are different, so it might not work) < 1389599582 459173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know there is decks that don't generate any mana < 1389599599 760802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if retrocomputing is a thing, is retrofuturecomputing also a thing, and is it what zzo38 does < 1389599628 393342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Retrofuturecomputing"? Is that a word? What exactly does it mean anyways? < 1389599666 374089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe retrofuture computing would be Plan 9 and Haiku OS < 1389599691 535866 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bliip bloop < 1389599706 437229 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes future sounds < 1389599708 510724 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you make up any of your own Magic: the Gathering cards? < 1389599724 948469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1389599731 11527 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've made some card games i guess, but never mtg < 1389599742 252164 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What card games? < 1389599762 101364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389599766 444555 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, i don't know, crappy ones < 1389599798 421658 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mtgdeckbuilder.net/Cards/Details/UNG/69 + ignoring errata < 1389599823 59208 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually made one as a christmas present, but the rules of the game are stolen from another game (there was enough work making the actual cards) < 1389599849 840776 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and by making i mean writing a short program to output pdfs and sending them to a paper company for printing) < 1389599861 242202 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so actually there was very little work) < 1389599897 160139 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend of mine made a pretty nice card game, called something retarded like dork and doomed, don't recall < 1389599929 890145 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat similar to whatsitcalled i guess < 1389599936 262747 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatsitcalled = munchkin < 1389599980 94358 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1389600003 462573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't use "retarded" as a pejorative < 1389600031 694185 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good thinking < 1389600050 690843 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1389600061 24189 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i not use gay either? < 1389600065 961180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1389600073 840602 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1389600092 720471 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it involves any engine modification, it's pretty much just an add on scenario. maybe half life can't deal with that w/o engine modification < 1389600145 918503 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that was voiced, and a pejorative, by the way) < 1389600159 673840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voiced? < 1389600234 426860 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, voiced and not aspirated < 1389600238 661088 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a gay joke < 1389600244 576303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :classy < 1389600246 372564 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1389600319 165314 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do somewhat agree with you, but i believe that's only because i do not belong to a group that has an adjective like that, and it's racist to make life decisions based on your own race < 1389600372 703953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1389600385 226949 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :race in a very general sense < 1389600386 926786 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think he's attempting the chewbacca defense? < 1389600404 750179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this gonna turn into one of those "i don't even see race" conversations i.e. "if I ignore injustice it will magically go away" < 1389600425 944770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not "racist" to look at your own privilege and how you might fit into interlocking systems of oppression, on either end < 1389600448 776667 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny to say that it is though < 1389600454 47759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1389600465 73642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's funny to you because it upsets other people? < 1389600468 356169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we have a word for that behavior < 1389600471 305790 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1389600476 820103 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389600480 211932 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1389600482 786344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trolling < 1389600499 261473 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1389600521 200594 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you have a right to deliberately use language that upsets others, we also have a right to exclude you from our community if you do so < 1389600536 630564 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1389600592 667834 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is stupid okay? < 1389600608 279660 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it insult stupid people? < 1389600628 846138 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is idiotic okay already? < 1389600661 580557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably wouldn't call you out on those < 1389600685 540595 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1389600695 342669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not some expert or some perfect example, the way I talk is still full of ableist language too, it's fucking pervasive < 1389600748 259420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think avoiding "retarded" is now like a pretty mainstream position, not just a thing of touchy internet social justice people like myself < 1389600783 648468 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree, i still use it < 1389600824 355786 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah it takes some effort nowadays, and perhaps i will have to learn something else some day < 1389600851 436024 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how bad do you consider "gay"? < 1389600863 579330 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a pejorative? completely unacceptable < 1389600871 969659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you even think that's okay... < 1389600899 125565 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's usually used pretty sarcastically < 1389600941 265832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really buy that < 1389600944 975482 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean in english at lesat < 1389600946 420491 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*least < 1389600963 879873 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1389600990 271215 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i just feel that the finnish "gay" is worse because i've had the native experience with it < 1389601019 185553 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and okay, i completely buy that < 1389601054 535978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up some Magic: the Gathering cards, and also Yomi cards, Puzzle Strike cards, Pokemon cards, etc. I like the game of Pokemon card. It would be strange for "lose priority" to be a cost in a Magic: the Gathering, isn't it? < 1389601057 915833 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sarcastically'? < 1389601090 213865 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a kid could say that something is gay < 1389601090 517751 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe thing are different outside of american high school < 1389601100 478606 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mean calling a human gay < 1389601116 587092 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because wouldn't you call them a fag if you wanted to insult them < 1389601127 671944 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we're talking like 'man you're cheating! that's so gay!' i don't see how that's sarcastic < 1389601130 345967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but they're saying it's gay as a way of saying it's bad, implying gay = bad, do I really need to spell this out for fuck's sake < 1389601148 443615 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1389601214 33769 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't really agree with the (i guess mainstream nowadays on the internet) opinion that that somehow influences how you actually feel about gays < 1389601252 502133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because you don't understand the influence doesn't mean it's there < 1389601262 299851 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's an opposite influence < 1389601308 901748 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i gotta go learn to drive a car < 1389601314 286527 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek. < 1389601330 524761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's not just about *your* opinion of gay people, what about the gay kid who hears people on xbox live using "gay" as an insult constantly < 1389601333 878463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think it improper to call "gay" in the way it often is. Sometimes homosexual people are called "gay", but apparently, it was originally due to male actors who were acting female characters in the play, so it could be used in that restricted sense. < 1389601365 837595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like that'd have some effect on making their life more painful < 1389601374 152234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're defending your decision to make their life more painful... why, exactly? < 1389601377 188156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes it so worth it to you? < 1389601396 702169 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"making gay people feel awful and uncomfortable? but what about my straight feelings?" < 1389601410 728695 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, i wouldn't say it to someone who might take it that way? < 1389601417 692513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the fuck do you know? < 1389601419 3071 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like i wouldn't show my dick to a kid < 1389601432 221914 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :by checking they're over 18 < 1389601437 338757 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how do you know I'm not a closeted gay kid who's terrified to come out to his parents? < 1389601440 629073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anyone else in this channel < 1389601462 978668 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't used gay as an insult here, have i? < 1389601472 508116 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you particularly sure that nobody in this channel is gay and being made rather uncomfortable by your attempted justifications of homophobia? < 1389601473 193714 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i probably have, but not lately.) < 1389601473 378013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but you're defending the practice of doing so < 1389601487 506589 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not defending using it here! < 1389601489 8338 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1389601493 616779 :impomatic!~digital_w@15.50.125.91.dyn.plus.net PART :#esoteric < 1389601496 113 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, see you < 1389601507 122271 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that made no fucking sense at all < 1389601520 868681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah you should probably leave < 1389601684 859282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to paste some 'grep -i oklopol | grep -i gay' results, but I guess that'd be kinda superfluous. < 1389601707 616887 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PART :#esoteric < 1389601780 590417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also an example of fungot using gay as a pejorative, which is kind of bad. Where'd you learn such language, fungot? < 1389601780 921141 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: o(a constants) o(1)? i < 1389601816 976266 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389601819 927249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Now *that's* a Chewbacca defense.) < 1389601902 764078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I completely missed oklopol's further qualifying statement, thanks to being all grep. < 1389602331 909428 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389602469 752095 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389602568 196541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs < 1389602578 745401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet Fiora doesn't come back this time < 1389602597 896539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't really blame her < 1389602635 784944 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1389603453 32146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cursor moving now works in the Attribute Zone editor. < 1389603472 310928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Famicom version, specifically) < 1389603502 955187 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the problem, oklopol said he wouldn't use her as an insult if she could hear it < 1389603581 235598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i won't use slurs as insults if it would make anyone uncomfortable, I'll just talk about how great it would be if I *could* use them until everyone who *would* be uncomfortable leaves < 1389603585 409612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good guy oklopol < 1389603589 815775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so considerate of other people's feelings < 1389603880 759607 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389605535 428257 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389605797 727577 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389606061 212637 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1389606085 369324 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a JOIN :#esoteric < 1389607065 581995 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389607183 202827 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1389607207 202365 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a JOIN :#esoteric < 1389607207 471360 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389607274 604092 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a JOIN :#esoteric < 1389607440 31972 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a QUIT :Client Quit < 1389607750 442216 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a JOIN :#esoteric < 1389610497 814800 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1389610552 336865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389611250 440033 :impomatic!~digital_w@15.50.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389611373 275487 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:10:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1389612285 189408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389612311 789850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389612433 855946 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389612564 857745 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389613982 851219 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389614787 372798 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1389615387 467286 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: how did it make no sense? < 1389615650 240871 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :one very strong reason for i do not try very hard to be like you guys is that i'm strongly against this kind of ganging up on people < 1389615667 345454 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't exactly want to associate with such people too strongly < 1389615735 466157 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you the only group of people who bully other people openly < 1389615756 339919 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you believe you are correct (which of course makes sense because you are) < 1389615876 790271 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-for < 1389616120 795540 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and i mean correct in your opinion, not your approach) < 1389617290 74261 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389618034 5670 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+are < 1389619843 790969 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389621397 978198 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389621403 310506 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389621410 887501 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good tarquin morning! < 1389621417 803852 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loûd < 1389621417 989007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 2d 14h 39m 5s ago: good breakfast morning! <-- so much better than the alternatives! < 1389621879 960112 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389622098 159985 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389622531 11829 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389623109 158967 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 253 seconds < 1389623867 258292 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1389624297 894254 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389624465 264001 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lüüd < 1389624465 449132 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1389624487 955258 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid non-unicode-understanding bot :( < 1389624626 350539 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com NICK :`^_^v < 1389624668 277475 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i copypasted that in python and it was 0.99 sure that was EUC-JP < 1389624671 681929 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that correct < 1389624700 28878 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1389624717 239314 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ü should be u with diaeresis < 1389624729 511893 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eyes weechat suspiciously < 1389624752 262052 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is that < 1389624757 767553 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good < 1389624758 19355 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that's how it shows on my scree < 1389624758 916318 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1389624773 997475 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure python is drunk < 1389624775 418439 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean i called some sort of encoding detection function < 1389624881 975961 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :od was GB2312 < 1389624910 703369 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and >>> chardet.detect("rpklp") < 1389624910 900304 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :{'confidence': 0.99, 'encoding': 'EUC-KR'} < 1389624920 947513 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: i have no idea what this function is) < 1389624954 169508 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe its confidence is supposed to be 1 - stated value < 1389625016 75372 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EUC-KR? has anyone ever used that one? < 1389625066 789615 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently! < 1389625103 302868 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> chardet.detect("Mkkiomenahirikk.") < 1389625103 487835 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :{'confidence': 0.87625, 'encoding': 'utf-8'} < 1389625106 412966 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not! < 1389625159 738236 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> chardet.detect("aaaahrg!") < 1389625180 626404 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. python. < 1389625213 163671 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sorry just copypaste < 1389625226 640504 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a python bot < 1389625249 721955 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do it myself, just need to install a package. :) < 1389625268 570732 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :{'confidence': 1.0, 'encoding': 'ascii'} < 1389625296 713061 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ... interesting. so 'ascii' means ASCII or anything that properly extends it ... < 1389625307 519198 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> chardet.detect("Supermummo.") < 1389625307 704093 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :{'confidence': 1.0, 'encoding': 'ascii'} < 1389625390 952546 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe confidence is just "i'm this confident that the input fits this encoding" < 1389625400 249732 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. ä -> EUC-KR, ö -> TIS-620, ü -> EUC-JP, all with 99% confidence. < 1389625453 742390 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get the same < 1389625456 642837 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Combining them into a single string gives utf-8 with 87.625% confidence.) < 1389625484 297306 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The guess is fine, but the 99% is ... well let's say strange. < 1389625672 424477 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is like myndzi. < 1389625682 738641 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 87.625% sounds a bit low < 1389625684 184770 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am? < 1389625811 240793 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. \o/ < 1389625811 563484 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69    | < 1389625811 748553 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69   /| < 1389625815 250026 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all. < 1389625875 112177 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : . . < 1389625886 756274 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : . . < 1389625897 78967 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : . . . . < 1389625933 93767 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. O.o o_O \o_ O.O _o/ < 1389625933 549318 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                 |         | < 1389625933 734383 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                /<         |\ < 1389625957 70202 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a list of myndzi patterns anywhere? < 1389625960 658730 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you change your nick to something with 6 letters < 1389625981 727133 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could, but I don't want to. < 1389625981 911755 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because xchat is mean < 1389626028 761112 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a myndzi compatible irc client < 1389626552 708787 :susurrus!~root@212095007167.public.telering.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1389626609 278923 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. \o/ O O < 1389626609 608845 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69       | < 1389626609 794101 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      /´\ < 1389626725 65362 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's configurable so that it doesn't indent lines, IIRC < 1389626727 623429 :susurrus!~root@212095007167.public.telering.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: there is an 'indent nicknames' option in the preferences, which you could disable. < 1389626732 431195 :susurrus!~root@212095007167.public.telering.at QUIT :Client Quit < 1389626785 744700 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1389626794 720006 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was odd. < 1389626804 695971 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome ;-) < 1389626829 514047 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the danger of IRCing as root. < 1389626844 129209 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you believed that, too. yay! < 1389627020 82177 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :blerp < 1389627024 816157 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh cool. < 1389627402 586790 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I feel half bad for not having used a sandbox user :) < 1389627459 92069 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1389627699 155414 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/CONF-32190 *is* cute. < 1389627732 108640 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389627784 623887 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1389627825 982246 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1389628339 996504 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389628361 2057 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389628634 738116 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389628659 445166 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1389628707 738723 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: if you think you don't like being "ganged up on" in that three people on the internet are complaining about what insults you use, why don't you consider what it would be like to be so fucking dehumanized by a member of a majority that your minority identity is itself used as an insult < 1389628981 208629 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no particular opinion on whether "gay" should be used as an insult, and i'm pretty sure i have never used it as a serious insult (i know you don't care, but to me there's a bit difference) < 1389628996 37051 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/particular/strong/ < 1389629011 261028 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean don't have a strong opinion when others use it < 1389629018 178630 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's none of my business < 1389629019 799067 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't argue you don't have an opinion after you argued about it for twenty minutes < 1389629087 148955 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it not your business? it's dehumanizing and bothers people. do you not have "a strong opinion" on racial slurs either? < 1389629121 499642 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's quite what i argued < 1389629143 906713 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just said "i don't have a strong opinion when others use it" < 1389629145 633483 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah usually i try to argue for the minority side < 1389629151 38561 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for right now? < 1389629156 318643 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, i don't know? < 1389629168 868674 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1389629173 826225 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and normally you just love minorities but it's important to you that you can use them as insults < 1389629176 38529 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the minority side = people who use them as insults < 1389629178 315621 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :here < 1389629182 186997 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you shitting me < 1389629191 187922 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1389629197 274450 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, what the fuck. < 1389629211 567726 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not a fucking oppressed minority because you call things "gay" as an insult. < 1389629216 884627 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you joking? < 1389629244 536291 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that in a conversation, if people are arguing for x, i rarely try to defend x, i try to find arguments for !x instead < 1389629252 638980 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mean i'm an oppressed minority < 1389629255 390787 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I ever design a language, I'm going to include a "feature" whereby all identifiers of the form "{$s}or" are the same as the corresponding "{$s}our" < 1389629258 645429 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-says-superrich-are-putupon-minority-like-homeless-people-and-irish-travellers-8946661.html < 1389629271 289384 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's so great you're a fucking robot just arguing for this on the basis i'm arguing against it < 1389629274 70151 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seems relevant somehow) < 1389629299 937952 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't quite see it that way < 1389629333 152868 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't seem to see much in any way, since you keep changing why you're arguing and everything else every time i rephrase it to call you a shithead < 1389629343 700800 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you should include -ize and -ise. < 1389629350 711311 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://the-toast.net/2013/10/02/no-more-devils-advocate/ < 1389629411 830878 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: good idea < 1389629437 795632 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't think i've really changed my opinion much, i don't think i really said that i consider "gay" okay < 1389629445 489743 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scroll up < 1389629447 638550 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for god's sake < 1389629493 230046 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION walks into this argument. < 1389629495 518079 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this conversation is stupid < 1389629497 571115 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: don't < 1389629503 983699 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus < 1389629504 771725 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PART #esoteric :"Ik ga weg" < 1389629511 88475 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i agree that i shouldn't've tried to explain to kmc why it could be okay to call someone "gay" < 1389629522 269344 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should've said "i agree, stupid question" < 1389629539 561433 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/gay/homosexual < 1389629539 808712 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i was annoyed at him < 1389629550 8589 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to this entire conversation. < 1389629558 48764 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did he say that was so annoying < 1389629563 2301 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :corrected me < 1389629569 411296 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 'retarded'? < 1389629571 719770 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1389629580 699803 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that annoying < 1389629594 950058 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is you being annoyed justification to use these stupid insults and defend their use < 1389629609 70275 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand. Being corrected does hurt. (Sigh, isn't this channel supposed to be about esoteric *computer* languages?) < 1389629613 733743 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not annoyed anymore < 1389629619 770121 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great well i am < 1389629639 619936 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION turns 180 degrees and walks out. < 1389629640 333135 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was annoyed at first, but yeah i do agree that i should not use that word < 1389629643 65315 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: as if anyone but ais cares about being on topic < 1389629646 504267 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he was right < 1389629663 712120 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are infuriatingly slimy < 1389629671 581360 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1389629689 658700 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? you basically made me agree with you? < 1389629712 235449 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"retard" "don't do that please" "actually, [defends usage for hours]" "what the fuck" "wait i actually agreed with you the whole time" < 1389629920 669832 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that you two are arguing over the usage and etymology of a word or words saddens me. < 1389629925 631201 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make me sad. < 1389629993 122171 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't make me sad. :( < 1389630003 70900 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won't like him when he's sad < 1389630010 12016 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I cry a lot. < 1389630011 881116 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :words are, on occasion, important. and i'll keep your sadness in mind next time i see an argument about whether python is Really A Functional Language Or Not < 1389630039 248628 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: functional as in it does something or functional as in the paradigm? because I'm debating both. < 1389630040 660037 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1389630084 480523 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in programmers are notoriously ridiculously pedantic but when i object to a dehumanizing insult i'm just being weird < 1389630126 357904 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we were pedantic in our everyday speech, our annoyance factor would increase exponentially. < 1389630148 108667 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, *exstensively pedantic. < 1389630150 271933 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: As, indeed, it does. :) < 1389630163 748593 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :words are words. < 1389630171 307111 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully, it's really pretty rare that i feel the need to object to somebody's language, since most people are mildly empathetic enough to not curse like fourteen year olds on xbox live < 1389630183 399742 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389630188 611359 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I got offended over the use of a word you didn't take offense to.. < 1389630199 461003 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you defend me in the same manner? < 1389630205 911486 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the word < 1389630210 988795 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nerds! < 1389630213 578259 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I use some 19th-century example? < 1389630253 32079 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lights the pyre. < 1389630270 505587 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't been arguing not to use 'gay' because of its history, just that people are going to feel bad when their identity is used as an insult < 1389630281 262818 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like 'lunatic' or whatever silly thing you're thinking of isn't really comparable < 1389630292 408727 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was then. < 1389630296 449250 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't now < 1389630305 908856 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the 21st century if you haven't noticed < 1389630310 862102 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now we're back to etymology.. < 1389630334 532120 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, i'm actually mentally ill, i have some position to judge what is and isn't offensive as far as the euphemism treadmill of insanity goes < 1389630342 988515 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so am I. < 1389630345 906018 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can just stop right now if you would < 1389630366 59792 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the same position to judge as you do. < 1389630370 394379 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1389630406 41223 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are offended, then I am sorry. those who offended you should apologize and be dealt with. < 1389630413 684166 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is courtious. < 1389630432 502951 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you actually find 'lunatic' offensive than sure i'd stop, but it seems pretty likely that you're just using an irrelevant example for rhetoric to justify calling things gay < 1389630452 37897 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never did I ever justify calling things gay. < 1389630470 462568 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never did I ever justify using retard. < 1389630476 104931 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why are you arguing with me < 1389630510 334477 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pointing out that you and oklopol bitching back and forth about the meaning and usage of a word is counterproductive to solving you being offended. < 1389630519 81601 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it counterproductive < 1389630525 127531 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it does nothing to remedy it. < 1389630528 372769 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1389630535 510164 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does, it prevents gay people from being insulted < 1389630545 59263 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are you gay? < 1389630556 289144 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :me? no, but my friend fiora is and she was bothered enough to leave < 1389630594 372405 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then I think she deserves an apology, as do you. < 1389630599 409263 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that arguing will ever prevent anything. < 1389630614 18963 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I don't think #esoteric is the place for it, unless it's about esolangs) < 1389630626 889110 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mountain dew is the best soda ever made. < 1389630629 386180 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs for cover. < 1389630647 359162 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: "poltiically correct english" seems esoteric enough ;-) (sorry, could not resist.) < 1389630660 820519 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people :P < 1389630669 280347 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean "you people"? :P < 1389630677 480527 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguing about anything is pointless, knowledge is impossible, opinions are inbuilt into people and unchangeable < 1389630677 719432 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks. < 1389630703 962039 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bows to Bike's superior wisdom and shuts up. < 1389630713 41900 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all is void < 1389630714 850716 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so focus on solving your own notion of offense. < 1389630721 919392 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean < 1389630732 211136 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :means find a way to make you happy when you're offended. :P < 1389630735 27121 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :solve the situation. < 1389630792 639690 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguing is like target practice, only you're not shooting for the bullseye, you're shooting for a mountain that's completely out of the way, and none of your arrows/bullets will ever reach it, and even if they do, you'll never see it. < 1389630802 265737 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have come up with a solution, which is to tell people that they're being offensive, and then about half the time they'll stop because it isn't really a big deal for them, and the other half of the time i'll argue with them for hours and learn that in this situation only argument is impossible and pointless and i'm just being excessively pedantic < 1389630805 230227 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could be shooting at the bullseye. < 1389630806 211836 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION admirs the zen of LinearInterpol < 1389630813 349183 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/r/er < 1389630816 809964 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we just shut up, i already admitted i was wrong (in pm, to Bike, at least). < 1389630828 778713 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bows and sits. < 1389630831 372744 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will try to behave < 1389630848 864825 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been saying years that i'm an asshole and asked why i'm never called out on it < 1389630853 999857 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y ) < 1389630854 578404 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i was called out on it < 1389630860 89041 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i will do something about it. < 1389630874 92764 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, about those esolangs. < 1389630892 846805 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry oklopol, argument is pointless, you have to be an asshole since you were born that way < 1389630898 408982 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tragic imo < 1389630898 593910 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1389630923 250162 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fuck u 2 lol < 1389630930 570896 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the spirit. < 1389630942 91986 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beer for everyone! < 1389630947 992494 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuck. < 1389630989 92451 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ALCOHOLICBEVERAGE for everyone! < 1389631013 231219 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't have alcohol; is there an alcohol-free substitute? < 1389631026 115919 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :$DRINK < 1389631030 410400 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$PREFERREDBEVERAGE for everyone! < 1389631040 94245 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, now we can't go wrong. < 1389631043 744864 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :v0.3 < 1389631062 326643 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 bottles of $PREFERREDBEVERAGE on the wall, 99 bottles of ${PREFERREDBEVERAGE}... < 1389631068 988478 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Isn't it funny how a "drink" tends to be alcoholic...) < 1389631070 323762 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1389631168 509354 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :take one down, pass it around, < 1389631193 781215 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :98 bottles of $PREFERREDBEVERAGE on the wall. < 1389631213 349528 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I recommend to call it $REFRESHINGBEVERAGE instead < 1389631227 29074 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that copyrighted by Coca-Cola? < 1389631251 835000 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind, that's "the drink that refreshes" I think... < 1389631252 391291 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$NONCOPYRIGHTEDREFRESHINGBEVERAGE < 1389631263 783096 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$FOSB < 1389631272 90242 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$COSB < 1389631274 933979 :itsy!~john_metc@15.50.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1389631278 103573 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :COSB? < 1389631289 381092 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cosb. < 1389631296 661121 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cold Open Source Beverages? < 1389631300 182040 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1389631310 618846 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still can't believe those actually exist < 1389631319 253930 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me either. < 1389631329 298902 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :People apparently forgot about recipies. < 1389631332 507376 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tap water. < 1389631343 475423 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which classify as Free Open Source Food. < 1389631371 82374 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm living in one of those privileged countries where tap water is actually drinkable.) < 1389631371 439764 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can copyright them, people just pirate the shit out of them or use ones old enough to be public domain < 1389631374 456268 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :much like jazz < 1389631396 556177 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Me too.) < 1389631398 127193 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1389631459 389546 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Me too, technically. I don't recommend it.) < 1389631488 379266 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so far up north that nobody in the U.S cares. < 1389631496 650320 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet we're still classified as a state. < 1389631515 991325 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great water up here. < 1389631743 508072 :impomatic!~digital_w@15.50.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389632009 201847 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so far up North that I'm at Canada. < 1389632258 149290 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, hi boily. < 1389632340 52331 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the weather in your southernorth? < 1389632355 728519 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :feels like spring. < 1389632729 744625 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389632851 404346 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389633378 294927 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1389633471 860895 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389634831 624123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1389634831 980758 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 131720Z 32007KT CAVOK M13/M16 Q1014 NOSIG < 1389634838 404805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very springy. < 1389634919 922250 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389635045 153661 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KBGR < 1389635045 518343 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KBGR 131653Z 18008KT 10SM FEW200 06/M05 A2999 RMK AO2 PRESFR SLP157 T00611050 < 1389635510 519237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here they keep doing those water quality lab tests, and the tap water keeps beating the commercial bottled options. < 1389635643 200144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though apparently that's just because of chlorination and not sitting in storage for ages &c.) < 1389635882 248631 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389636021 292704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: dude it's not "bullying" or "ganging up" to politely mention to someone when they have (often unintentionally) hurt someone < 1389636034 403057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people often respond with "oh i'm sorry" and then go on with their fucking lives < 1389636039 858541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who are not you, that is < 1389636093 43411 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dives for cover. < 1389636121 512404 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1389636139 623832 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got an idea for IOCCC. I guess I'll have to try to remember it for half a year < 1389636157 479554 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: write it down! < 1389636161 810225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: the point of "arguing about words" is that words shape the entire fucking world we live in < 1389636177 396341 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh for the love of.. we just stopped this man, don't bring it back up. :\ < 1389636177 670569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's totally disingenuous to say "you're just arguing about words!!!" when we are arguing about how human beings should treat other human beings < 1389636199 433487 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, that's not what I meant.. < 1389636208 883894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and especially, about how human beings in a position of social dominance should treat human beings who are historically oppressed, often to the point of lethal violence < 1389636238 828520 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :look, all I was trying to say is that arguing is pointless, and that those two should get down to solving the problem of being offended with something akin to an apology. < 1389636252 770523 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION exits this conversation. again. :\ < 1389636265 371074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I agree that arguing with oklopol is pointless < 1389636279 847694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have actually changed people's minds with discussion in the past, and I've definitely had my mind changed < 1389636288 12827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be a lot worse about this stuff!! < 1389636299 672775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all learn from each other and get better < 1389636325 6399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that by the time "discussion" progresses to "arguing" it's often of negative net value < 1389636334 902922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have things to say, you can say it, but yes it is a good idea to try to learn better, instead. < 1389636339 94206 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :being offended essentially means that someone essentially took something from you, and you want something equivalent in return that'll make you happy again. < 1389636351 116821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't agree with that < 1389636355 381006 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as an apology, or a gift, or something. < 1389636361 611568 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just something to quell the situation. < 1389636383 783563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like you are more interested in smoothing things over than in making our community more kind < 1389636395 970396 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389636404 980301 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it makes everyone happy, then that means kindness. < 1389636410 990941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it really doesn't < 1389636417 157086 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :drama over IRC sucks. < 1389636418 540439 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION leaves. < 1389636434 262336 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"making everyone happy" usually means making people in a position of power happy and making marginalized people decide to stay quiet < 1389636437 385206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. continuing the status quo < 1389636440 213134 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PART #esoteric :"Hack the planet." < 1389636481 483613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :god forbid we should have a channel that's 99.5% straight white men instead of 100% < 1389636583 370659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shouldn't matter if the channel is 99.5% or 100% straight white men; it is a completely irrelevant situation! If it ends up being 45% then that should be OK too, but if it ends up being something like 263% or -10% then clearly we have a problem, isn't it? < 1389636593 442189 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1389636596 611758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 you are the best < 1389636598 863541 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389636603 42677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb LinearInterpol < 1389636606 341699 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we done? < 1389636611 103497 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands LinearInterpol a zzo38 < 1389636620 418043 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fumbles about with it. < 1389636643 824648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sure ragequit and never came back over that drama < 1389636652 251803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a whole two minutes and thirty-eight seconds < 1389636658 530887 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a long forever, elliott. < 1389636674 202958 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :had to take a bathroom break, too. god it was boring. < 1389636684 256593 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguing is fundamentally irrational and since nobody actually has a serious problem it won't last,, see < 1389636692 123195 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know about QUIT, but there was PART. < 1389636694 681069 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bashes his head on his desk. < 1389636711 851009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: How hard is the wood in your desk? < 1389636722 861027 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard. < 1389636728 462416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: well I'm rapidly running out of fucks to give... if this is the kind of community y'all want to have then who am I to fight it < 1389636738 220976 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, no, I- < 1389636743 93981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard enough to break your head? < 1389636743 278812 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're making assumptions. :( < 1389636749 296806 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: at this rate, yes. < 1389636751 963134 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :assumptions based on what you are literally saying < 1389636763 120939 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffs. < 1389636769 496183 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine, you wanna do this, let's do this. < 1389636775 490725 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1389636775 739786 NAMES :#esoteric < 1389636778 935944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +q :*!*@* > 1389636778 957585 NAMES :#esoteric < 1389636780 221605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's not < 1389636783 871986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and say we did < 1389636785 640421 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: liek omg becky called me a name wtfbbq highschool is hard < 1389636819 373614 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PART :#esoteric < 1389636830 114294 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389636924 580704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -q :*!*@* > 1389636924 612754 NAMES :#esoteric < 1389636926 130268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1389636926 152857 NAMES :#esoteric < 1389636965 132510 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks mrhmouse, really feeling welcome here < 1389637030 431003 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" well I agree that arguing with oklopol is pointless" i'm not sure what you guys actually want, i agree that i was wrong, why is that not enough? < 1389637043 496420 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow, why does 'hg grep' consider the whole history of files by default ... < 1389637054 286612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: nah, i'm done, thanks though < 1389637055 794422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it gets muted like that, post your message on #esoteric#shadow and then it will remain logged too < 1389637067 662174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :iint-e: I don't know. < 1389637081 254580 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was there a reason for +q *!*@* instead of +m or was it just an arbitrary choice? < 1389637085 990904 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you tell it not to consider the whole history of files? < 1389637202 412703 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1389637291 23837 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, https://github.com/Katee/quietnet doesn't work as well as thought. < 1389637453 292009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I wanted to know too, but now there is work-around regardless which way is done < 1389637496 294525 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So hg grep does not do what I expected it to do. Fine. Back to grep -r then.) < 1389637599 683403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I missed your most clear admission that you were wrong, above < 1389637611 184829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for admitting it :) < 1389637770 97907 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what's the use case for such a program, besides exfiltrating data to nearby servers? < 1389637821 433212 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no idea. the novelty is tempting, if only for a few minutes of relaxation between to tickets. < 1389637832 119744 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389637921 109910 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389637983 641408 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389638047 687262 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I understand that the NSA has various technologies for bridging air gaps. Sound would be a fairly obvious choice.) < 1389638345 269948 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the POC uses PSK31. seems it needs two very close machines, with good quality audio equipment, and a noiseless environment for it to work reliably. < 1389638407 991211 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, bridging the air is very unlikely, unless the NSA uses Secret Mutant Waves with Exceptional Compression. probably something tachyon based. < 1389638439 551226 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You never know with the NSA < 1389638566 471428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about that acoustic sidechannel thing? They got p. impressive results out of it, and that was just listening to the sounds of OpenSSL; it sounds rather likely that, with some active help from the server you're listening to, you could get better. (I mean, it doesn't have to be near ultrasound, it can be just some acoustic steganography.) < 1389638659 584874 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:10:: QUIT : < 1389638688 567948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, GnuPG. < 1389638715 659856 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's acoustic classification, with a constricted domain, that has already been proved with very interesting experiments. < 1389638727 370923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~tromer/acoustic/ "plain mobile phone placed next to the computer, or a more sensitive microphone placed 4 meters away" next server at a colo place doesn't sound entirely infeasible. < 1389638766 144364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess those maybe don't come with microphones. < 1389638859 943780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The keyboard-keys-from-typing-sounds one was funky too. < 1389638908 917588 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one were they went into a medical clinic and gleaned off plenty of private informations :D < 1389638920 124223 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1389638971 307864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At one time I could tell from the noise if the CPU is busy; I replaced the power supply now though. < 1389639004 107589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With proper soundproofing/filters can you avoid this? < 1389639014 136839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell from the noise if the CPU is busy; but that's just the fans spinning up in response to more heat. < 1389639028 887174 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you put a tinfoil hat on your desktop? < 1389639037 906247 :peapodamus2!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389639039 454605 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389639074 76462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Conversely, a sufficiently strong wide-band noise source can mask the informative signals, though ergonomic concerns may render this unattractive." (Countermeasures section of the Q&A-format summary.) < 1389639099 791225 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why does your computer sound like a jet engine taking off?" "Oh, I'm just foiling NSA here." < 1389639107 476903 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“strong wideband noise source,” aka. “your cow orker's radio” < 1389639127 344652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, I suppose the fans too, but I wasn't talking about fans. < 1389639348 772235 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389639565 803210 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389639640 400847 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389639762 271908 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me of this "BadBIOS" thing from last year < 1389639782 842777 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/meet-badbios-the-mysterious-mac-and-pc-malware-that-jumps-airgaps/ < 1389639819 505498 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice pic < 1389639901 950608 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what's the verdict on that? is it really real, or just an overhyped simili-scam? < 1389639963 890923 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Signs point towards "real" (see NSA toy catalogue) but I have not seen any final verdict. (Then again I have not really been paying attention.) < 1389640028 411168 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who I trust when it comes to security-related questions seem to believe it's real, anyway, but I haven't been paying much attention either < 1389640033 250995 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not saying that this was the NSA, just that such technology does exist. It still sounds quite wild. At least USB thumb drives are a plausible attack vector. < 1389640105 455571 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't think bios/uefi-eating malware was uncommon < 1389640124 879099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember also that the NSA catalog is 7 years old < 1389640164 144642 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's the detail that this one bridges airgaps that makes it so interesting. < 1389640196 775172 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, the article just makes bios-eating sound uncommon in itself < 1389640233 415419 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main thing is that we don't have tools for finding such malware. It could be in any of the busmaster capable hardware devices, virtually all of which have their own firmware. < 1389640249 773283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :throw your computer into a river < 1389640268 501293 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer proceeds to vibrate at a particular frequency, thus infecting the entire river < 1389640274 852462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't trust a computer you cannot throw out of the window directly into the river. < 1389640282 742227 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good advice < 1389640289 135306 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all know that it takes a steel foundry to really destroy malware. < 1389640325 592567 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the St-Lawrence River good enough? it's long, it's large, it has fish. < 1389640336 221183 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fish are a notorious attack vector < 1389640348 596649 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a church of St Lawrence along the road from me < 1389640412 111055 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when dna computing based storage drives incorporated as your appendix become common y'all are fucked, imma gonna attack that shit < 1389640465 387168 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you dare append me, you vile scoundrel! < 1389640498 689375 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't you see, boily... the appendix was in you all along < 1389640524 104252 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooo! betrayed by my own body! damn you, internal organs and various tidbits! < 1389640531 913452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we need to replace our airgaps with vacuum gaps < 1389640552 91143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389640641 974607 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://natsec.newamerica.net/nsa/analysis coo < 1389640758 562071 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like these days, one should always guess UTF-8 if the input is valid UTF-8 < 1389640784 683281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often will real world EUC-KR text happen to be valid UTF-8? < 1389641078 90972 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess it's fair to guess ASCII if the input is also valid ASCII in addition to being valid UTF-8 < 1389641116 660153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on the purpose for which you're making a guess < 1389641161 512980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for most purposes i would rather guess UTF-8 because then you have *some* chance of handling high-bit bytes correctly < 1389641183 564845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because there is no code but Unicode and UTF-8 is its transport < 1389641188 55516 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose < 1389641214 151323 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inch'Unicode! < 1389641232 474015 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :iä iä < 1389641275 755490 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, shit. fish have a disease called 'whirling disease'. that owns < 1389641289 308062 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Fish "whirl" forward in an awkward, corkscrew-like pattern instead of swimming normally, find feeding difficult, and are more vulnerable to predators.» < 1389641291 41138 :peapodamus2!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389641300 614443 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my computer virus is also a nematode < 1389641390 62330 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it would be more appropriate for it to be a computer /worm/, huh. < 1389641406 901096 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389641542 561131 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :libchardet is a bit naive when it comes to probabilities. As far as I can make out, "ä" encodes an empty string; it's merely a "shift" token that switches a decoder into EU-KR mode. < 1389641591 332834 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :EUC-KR. < 1389641745 683639 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and s/lib//; libchardet is a C++ thingy while I looked at the chardet Python thingy. < 1389641876 81985 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, by the looks of it, one of them is a direct port of the other. < 1389641944 973668 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Contributor(s): < 1389641945 197700 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Mark Pilgrim - port to Python < 1389642350 730084 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389642393 874585 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much effort woul be needed to unnaïvify chardet? < 1389642473 333077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the thing where people say things that you more or less agree with, but they're so annoying about it that you feel bad about having an opinion similar to theirs < 1389642570 721799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1389642573 951165 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have an example? < 1389642625 781447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably rude and pointless to name anyone in particular < 1389642651 920832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe past versions of myself. what an obnoxious person :( < 1389643109 457606 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't know. For UTF-8, it takes 1 - (0.495)^n as the probability if only 0 < n < 6, where n is the number of characters (well, code points) parsed. That looks very ad hoc. For EUC-KR, it somehow uses character frequencies, but I have not figured out the details. So I don't know whether all those "confidences" are comparible. What's missing as well, I think, is some reasonable a priory distribution of character... < 1389643115 461659 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...encodings, so that Bayes' theorem can be applied. < 1389643337 306183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about the universal prior < 1389643401 231299 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389643465 731256 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the unnaïvification is untrivial, eh? < 1389643956 568274 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1389644265 266661 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.168.184 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1389644411 130793 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.stephenwolfram.com/publications/short-talk-about-richard-feynman/ < 1389644434 622027 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wolfram pushes boundaries of scraping the bottom of the barrel, makes breakthrough < 1389645118 102835 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389645129 970584 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a priory", i like that < 1389645155 757326 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes me imagine a bunch of nuns hard at work doing math < 1389645156 930113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389645585 925302 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In agro, in mathematica analysis complexam, certis de quavis ratione lineam moduli totum integrale est in complexu per vias plano." < 1389645608 8349 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :'the quickest way to the reals is through the complex plane'? < 1389645717 945385 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who am I to question the Ways of our Complex Plane? < 1389646232 104016 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389646271 463405 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389646414 723 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389647183 775208 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389647191 743370 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1389647525 477125 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1389647772 949589 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389647840 64729 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1389648039 899217 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389648100 903740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389648129 371601 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389648243 692841 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389648261 810265 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: I like your hobbies. < 1389648273 870170 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1389648278 50768 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389648394 20996 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389648500 580965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really don't feel comfortable here anymore :/ < 1389648634 482157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I left #esoteric a while back because it was no longer talking about esoprogramming < 1389648639 973392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't really feel comfortable in social channels < 1389648649 688807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put it back on autojoin, though, hoping that it had got better < 1389648705 915601 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i leave it might solve both of our problems < 1389648801 170116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you aren't really contributing to the problem, from my point of view < 1389648819 228914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except inasmuch as any channel with more than like 3 people is going to have differing opinions on what are and aren't acceptable offtopic subjects < 1389648871 634687 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm mostly upset because we seem to value avoiding "drama" more than standing up to bigots < 1389648906 219577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed whatever it is that happened < 1389648929 551658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel that the best option, when possible, is to avoid giving people a chance to be bigoted in the first place < 1389648937 351853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sadly you can't really do that with lax topicality rules < 1389648984 6076 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389648994 619997 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389649011 439399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i asked oklopol not to use "retarded" as a pejorative and his response was to start defending the use of the word "gay" as a pejorative, even though he admits it's wrong, because he wanted to annoy me for being a "bully" < 1389649021 493701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's something which could easily come up in discussion of esolangs < 1389649030 431799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example if i call someone's esolang "retarded" < 1389649041 251753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1389649047 614467 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389649048 515214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the channel used to be a lot /worse/ in that respect, actually < 1389649060 558756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of the offenders just left naturally < 1389649061 691187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i've heard < 1389649123 684142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer it if people just used accuracy in their pejoratives < 1389649157 404141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like "stupid" would be fine, IMO, but saying "retarded" just creates confusion while offending people at the same time, which seems strictly worse < 1389649164 600095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1389649226 660562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm frustrated less by oklopol (who admitted in the end he was wrong) and more by all the other people who were like "ugh DRAMA" or "you're just arguing about words", as though how we treat each other isn't important < 1389649258 235859 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, if I was one of the annoying people I'm sorry < 1389649266 979562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I didn't observe you to say anything at all, but thank you < 1389649307 629273 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, on a completely different and probably more on topic note, I am still trying to see if I can get an audience in front of which I can create an esolang live < 1389649312 881276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have problems moderating small-ish channels like this, I'm more used trying to moderate a channel with 1000+ users without having mod powers < 1389649322 220523 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds hellish < 1389649334 32284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you can normally assume that there will be some trolls/troublemakers who will try to make things worse no matter what < 1389649347 135385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my normal approach is to attempt to drown them out, which involves making a distraction < 1389649360 36875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this doesn't actually work in #esoteric, but I normally attempt it anyway because habit < 1389649361 406826 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: target IBNIZ for extra nerd cred < 1389649396 660664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: create an esolang, as in spec? interp? < 1389649410 3741 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spec < 1389649482 329396 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey hey guys i have an idea for an esolang < 1389649496 869384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys: go on < 1389649524 190112 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright so the idea of languages like iota and jot and SK is to make the smallest number of primitives that you can construct everything else from, right? < 1389649542 809360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys: yes, functionally < 1389649593 859590 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the goal was instead to find a relatively small set of combinators that you could transform practical algorithms into compactly < 1389649604 893085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys: that's where SKI come from < 1389649611 89871 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like golfscript < 1389649612 7399 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SKI isn't compact though < 1389649613 581925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's not that compact < 1389649638 821111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the concatenative languages aim for practical combinators, often < 1389649649 137858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like Underlambda, which is unfinished, from the eso side < 1389649652 591991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Joy from the non-eso side < 1389649676 351951 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how is Underlambda going, by the way < 1389649678 920032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Underload's combinators aren't too bad ( (), ^ and : are Turing-complete by themselves, the rest are basically just there to allow you to approach a sensible coding style) < 1389649685 169460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I haven't worked on it for a while < 1389649696 819661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially now that type system design (and thus language design) is my day job < 1389649702 368729 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of searching exhaustively through the possible combinators for a particular program < 1389649714 184656 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that takes a lotta time < 1389649720 852415 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even for very basic programs < 1389649723 722170 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1389649730 902788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's impossible in general, you provably can't compare functions in general < 1389649740 914257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can in many practically useful special cases < 1389649756 443987 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://blog.regehr.org/archives/923 < 1389649771 549399 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? Where/on what are you working? < 1389649772 513757 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only read the original paper tho < 1389649791 891081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Birmingham University < 1389649800 473632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*University of Birmingham < 1389649852 386650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the "you can't compare functions" thing came up just a couple of days ago < 1389649877 194159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :circuit equivalence is decidable < 1389649890 654461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, any language without decidable equivalence obviously is unsuitable for compilation into hardware < 1389649906 889612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a really nice quick sanity check for rejecting possible type systems < 1389649959 642685 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1389650027 159423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :digital circuit equivalence, that is < 1389650043 383146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure about analog, it probably is too but real numbers screw things up < 1389650067 910829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one method that's inefficient but works is to convert the entire thing to a state machine < 1389650069 809224 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a world i was not aware of until just now < 1389650117 39080 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you have a function that just takes in an inductively defined datatype, aren't there only so many cases to prove equivalent results for? < 1389650144 809272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys: well one thing you can do is restrict the types of loops, by requiring all loops to be bounded in advance < 1389650151 949157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. by the size of the data type you passed in < 1389650166 881247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do that, you have a "primitive recursive" function, equivalence is decidable for those < 1389650180 165790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nonetheless, a lot of practical programs work with primitive recursive functions only < 1389650189 26103 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Y one of those? < 1389650206 470466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Y can't be done with primitive recursion only, it needs general recursion < 1389650248 50353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the point of the Y combinator is to show that untyped lambda calculus supports general recursion without the need for extra combinators/constants < 1389650254 337669 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389650265 927001 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389650266 618511 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this problem is starting to not sound like a good match for an untyped kinda system :D < 1389650286 614028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, the Y combinator is a specific implementation of a fixed-point combinator; normally people use "fix" if referring to fixed-point combinators in general) < 1389650304 975659 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1389650322 253907 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm spotty in general < 1389650340 575852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort-of like the difference between a fast fourier transform and a discrete fourier transform < 1389650390 374829 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 9:30 practical in the morning :( < 1389650391 651381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are two different Y combinators, one for strict (call-by-value) semantics and one for non-strict (call-by-name) < 1389650398 231895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that's not a very practical time is it < 1389650413 205575 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it means I have to get up earlier < 1389650424 415523 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait that was a funny < 1389650427 934609 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I'm tired < 1389650433 727100 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i didn't know the distinction between fft and dft until now either < 1389650450 881527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wow, that's such a weird way of looking at the difference between call-by-value and call-by-name < 1389650459 344089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm rather skewed on this because I work almost exclusively with call-by-name < 1389650486 298889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see call-by-value as sugar for creating an assignable variable and initializing it with your function argument < 1389650511 918775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1389650526 743813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a system where assignment forces evaluation? < 1389650559 742244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah < 1389650603 243082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's the only way to force evaluation atm, apart from the FFI < 1389650610 206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the if statement < 1389650618 129106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the while statement < 1389650643 433676 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389650644 885241 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which have you heard of that thing showing how you convert an evaluator into an abstract machine or back? < 1389650662 170613 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :futumura projections? < 1389650665 461272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most languages also have strict arithmetic because they want to use machine arithmetic < 1389650670 58865 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not the only way to do arithmetic < 1389650702 224127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the implementation we're working on is a bit weird, we use hardcoded connections between circuits < 1389650734 420104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which basically means that we can't have any values more complex than integers < 1389650746 332995 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389650879 746127 :tibuda!~tibuda@189-25-130-42.user.veloxzone.com.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1389650906 946714 :tibuda!~tibuda@189-25-130-42.user.veloxzone.com.br PART #esoteric :"Saindo" < 1389651029 666759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a paper where we implemented a recursive Fibonacci on this thing < 1389651062 433547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even less efficient than the normal recursive Fibonacci because it has to go and subtract all the 1s from the argument over and over again < 1389651073 444695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1389651104 278751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we managed to get it published anyway though < 1389651122 478220 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that recursive fib is an example of an algorithm where computing f(n) takes f(n) steps < 1389651124 642272 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1389651127 671969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~drg/papers/icfp11.pdf < 1389651136 599611 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: isn't that connected to euclid's algorithm somehow < 1389651151 238113 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe just the golden ratio. it's e-y < 1389651174 260900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the closed form formula for fib(n) uses φ yeah < 1389651184 276146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: isn't that true of pretty much any algorithm that just forms numbers via adding up 1s? < 1389651195 646523 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like it < 1389651203 553218 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't f(n+1)/f(n) approach phi in the limit? < 1389651213 262872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes < 1389651229 808871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is because φ²=φ+1 < 1389651240 539434 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean, i know that, i'm trying to remember if this is connected to the time complexity bit < 1389651269 790331 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389651283 148239 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have half a blog post written about learning linear algebra via one of the less stupid fib algorithms < 1389651301 92763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = fix ((0:) . scanl (+) 1) in (fibs !! 1000) / (fibs !! 999) < 1389651301 588724 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : the closed form formula for fib(n) uses φ yeah < 1389651302 918262 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.6180339887498951 < 1389651306 152371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stupid one is one of the better recursion benchmarks, though < 1389651310 921482 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the other solution to that one equation < 1389651324 259968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1 + sqrt 5) / 2 < 1389651325 271334 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.618033988749895 < 1389651334 456475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow pretty close < 1389651342 315451 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that converge slow? < 1389651346 150150 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the rational approximations do < 1389651358 197015 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 13/5 < 1389651359 178253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.6 < 1389651361 752331 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1389651365 188073 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 13/8 < 1389651366 168048 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.625 < 1389651366 610604 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gj < 1389651373 379296 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 21/13 < 1389651374 444707 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.6153846153846154 < 1389651382 28117 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 34/21 < 1389651383 58511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.619047619047619 < 1389651398 501715 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know how fast convergences generally are < 1389651408 974691 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389651439 282201 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, like, the contfrac for phi is 1/(1+1/(1+1/...)) and that gives the best rational approximations < 1389651442 609405 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, they all suck < 1389651453 961931 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval 1 + 1 / (1 + 1 / (1 + 1 / (1 + 1 / 1))) < 1389651456 399585 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): < 1389651458 158536 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval 1 + 1 / (1 + 1 / (1 + 1 / (1 + 1 / 1))) < 1389651459 319504 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.6 < 1389651463 701518 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that < 1389651478 569109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f x = 1 + 1/x in iterate f 1 < 1389651479 533925 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.0,2.0,1.5,1.6666666666666665,1.6,1.625,1.6153846153846154,1.6190476190476... < 1389651489 268110 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, two significative numbers is pretty good in my book. < 1389651492 410158 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how it goes up and down < 1389651578 777130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the other thing I liked in that paper, was that I got to use Algol 60 for a serious reason, even though it was 2011 < 1389651589 891687 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1389651637 579975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my supervisor was surprised that I managed to get hold of a working Algol 60 compiler after this long < 1389651648 289445 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see, the square root of two is [1;1,2,1,2,1,2,...] i think, how do you haskell that < 1389651662 688083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 ++ cycle [1,2] < 1389651663 613371 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show a0) < 1389651663 799542 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M60779866017779691048889.show_M60779866017779691048... < 1389651663 799651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable `a0' is ambiguous < 1389651663 799738 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: add a type signature that fixes these type variable(s) < 1389651663 799822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1389651667 919144 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :er no it's [1;2,2,2,2] maybe < 1389651673 747477 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1389651680 919772 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :except with a bajillion 2's obv < 1389651686 946146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: that's a really useless error message < 1389651691 589128 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 : cycle [2] < 1389651692 608022 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2... < 1389651697 420156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1389651698 322510 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f x = 2 + 1/x in iterate f 1 < 1389651699 289313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.0,3.0,2.3333333333333335,2.4285714285714284,2.411764705882353,2.414634146... < 1389651707 750197 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like that < 1389651711 923751 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted < 1389651715 911508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem being that lambdabot had enough definitions floating around that it could somehow concatenate an int to a list? < 1389651724 338119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ++ < 1389651725 186102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `++' < 1389651726 931487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (++) < 1389651727 724708 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] -> [a] -> [a] < 1389651734 907243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> 1 + 1 / x) $ iterate (\x -> 2 + 1 / x) 1 < 1389651735 866674 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2.0,1.3333333333333333,1.4285714285714286,1.411764705882353,1.4146341463414... < 1389651783 648945 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, those are p. good < 1389651819 507448 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f x = 1 + 1/x in iterate f 1 !! 1e6 < 1389651820 515199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Real.Fractional GHC.Types.Int) < 1389651820 700496 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the literal `1e6' < 1389651820 700634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (GHC.Real.Fractional a) < 1389651820 700732 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : bound by the inferred type of it :: GHC.Real.Fractional a => a < 1389651820 700829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : at Top level < 1389651825 170443 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f x = 1 + 1/x in iterate f 1 !! 1000000 < 1389651826 529014 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: stack overflow < 1389651898 823049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sums = map (foldr (\x y -> x + 1 / y) 1) . inits in sums (1 : repeat 2) < 1389651899 930080 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.0,2.0,1.3333333333333333,1.4285714285714286,1.411764705882353,1.414634146... < 1389651928 27821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let sums = map (foldr (\x y -> x + 1 / y) 1) . inits < 1389651929 447775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1389651930 692101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1389651939 132192 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sums (1 : cycle [1,2]) < 1389651941 533525 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.0,2.0,1.5,1.75,1.7142857142857144,1.7333333333333334,1.7307692307692308,1... < 1389651945 853623 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt 3 < 1389651947 27971 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.7320508075688772 < 1389651971 477449 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (1 + %)^:(<10) 1 < 1389651972 157741 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: 1 2 1.5 1.66667 1.6 1.625 1.61538 1.61905 1.61765 1.61818 < 1389651995 468871 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: FLYING CHICKEN! < 1389651997 697737 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389652003 818045 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (1 + %)^:1e6 ] 1 < 1389652004 907610 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: 1.61803 < 1389652020 259692 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let convergents = sums < 1389652021 357840 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : not an expression: `let convergents = sums' < 1389652028 331237 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let convergents = sums < 1389652029 590095 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1389652071 637711 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1389652071 928112 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_letters_used_in_mathematics_and_science this is great < 1389652121 817739 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1389652125 427901 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there another similar list somewhere? < 1389652130 158987 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Wikipedia I mean < 1389652147 377635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: now you gotta turn it into a song < 1389652157 548892 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm no lehrer. < 1389652159 397503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also saw Ш used for a pulse train i.e. a function f(x) which takes on the value 1 on a set of measure zero and 0 elsewhere < 1389652162 423013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. cute < 1389652166 774031 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. < 1389652174 291167 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_letters_used_in_mathematics < 1389652183 715113 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems a bit.. redundant? < 1389652230 887682 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably arabic letters have been used in algebra < 1389652235 95055 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure < 1389652240 857711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxcar_function < 1389652241 647725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they used greek out of Tradition < 1389652278 541119 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think algebra was symbolic enough during the persian period < 1389652291 848345 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd write out "a quantity divided by four" or wetf < 1389652302 519151 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1389652328 217647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1389652343 542102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh was it from persia and not arabia? same script i guess, anyway) < 1389652353 493515 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably both < 1389652365 541117 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than hindustan though, where they'd write it out in verse < 1389652368 963791 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that for eso < 1389652401 924362 :atrapado!~dro@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1389652433 376348 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://31.media.tumblr.com/db46eea7c7b668193a6a7dbf4e9f636b/tumblr_mzbi1t3gol1rb9lj8o1_1280.png in doge news < 1389652587 908480 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that ''real'' < 1389652616 570547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ''real'' ''real'' < 1389652626 299994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read one of the three books you gave me to read < 1389652736 817654 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one < 1389652755 47434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Eye in the Pyramid < 1389652776 520278 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :were the other two also illuminatus < 1389652803 490483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1389652820 32867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but somehow starting the second one is more effort than continuing to a new chapter < 1389652867 108640 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my illuminatus copy has all three in one, very convenient < 1389652884 68835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does this one < 1389652920 908573 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1389652942 359243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"India is marking three years since its last reported polio case, a landmark in the global battle against the disease." < 1389652952 997320 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1389652959 884240 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it still bad in... pakistan? i wanna say pakistan < 1389652985 525474 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :afghanistan, nigeria, and pakistan < 1389652992 569536 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd sort of guess some "first world" country getting polio back due to vaccination paranoia < 1389653033 330688 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you need to have some extant polio for that, and it's pretty totally eradicated in many countries < 1389653065 511084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think we're a long way from that still < 1389653095 886089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other disases already coming back for that reason, though :/ < 1389653120 629484 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cdc says that there hasn't been a polio case in the US since 1979 < 1389653137 995052 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the virus sticks around in animals and stuff like, say, plague, which is still extant in the US < 1389653221 882689 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Poliovirus is however strictly a human pathogen, and does not naturally infect any other species" yeah < 1389653529 100822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1389653760 352998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's convenient < 1389653881 833493 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, HIV is the same way, and that's been kind of hard to eradicate >_> < 1389654053 96502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well at least it can't be spread through contaminated food or water < 1389654115 323549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eradicating polio in Pakistan is harder because the Taliban keeps killing the medical workers < 1389654128 977177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well i suspect some apes may be included too. but they're probably not a major infection source at this time. < 1389654195 56272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you've missed syria; polio has reappeared there during the war. < 1389654199 611258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1389654218 418163 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389654265 200217 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: HIV is a mutant of the one that infects chimps < 1389654277 441833 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389654284 17583 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and yeah i heard about that, i was just glancing at a WHO page. i don't think it's actually epidemic there though? just like, a problem < 1389654287 63321 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu NICK :Bike < 1389654449 524439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : of course, HIV is the same way, and that's been kind of hard to eradicate >_> < 1389654453 207630 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't vaccinate though < 1389654478 842172 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet < 1389654484 527494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1389654489 258986 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaccination means you can eliminate transmission in the human population, not being a zoonosis means there aren't any animal reservoirs to pop up after the vaccination passes over < 1389654502 807496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why am i saying this you surely know better than i) < 1389654526 401217 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i was just thinking of zoonosis < 1389654543 48568 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to come up with an example that was actually a virus, i mean plague is bacteria, or somethin < 1389654583 533017 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pig flu, bird flu, zebra flu, etc < 1389654624 871574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :flu flu < 1389654628 449117 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well those are species-specific too, they just mutate < 1389654637 807746 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are virusy things that infect viruses, i think. weird shit < 1389654711 368562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the current hip recursion meme, i think yo dawg and inception have both gone stale < 1389654745 241206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe recursion memes have gone stale < 1389654749 249545 :atrapado!~dro@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389654757 213018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we don't need another one < 1389654765 90677 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also stuff like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viroid < 1389654766 573047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some liquid water in my kitchen at 120°C < 1389654767 810170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :we will always need recursion memes < 1389654773 664607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we can make it a meme that recursion memes have gone stale < 1389654776 459555 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my chemistry textbook described viruses as "large molecules" which kind of rules < 1389654779 144918 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, throw sand at it < 1389654784 704032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yo dawg i heard you like recursion memes < 1389654949 112013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly imagines little nanobot drones flying around vaccinating wild birds against flu < 1389654983 412661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose micro or milli may also do < 1389655008 200140 :atrapado!~dro@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1389655013 817959 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :bees < 1389655017 377811 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :bees with vaccine stings < 1389655020 144905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could look like mosquitos, and handle malaria at the same time < 1389655036 250994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vaccine is also mosquito poison < 1389655060 487820 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eradicate mosquitoes by 2050 < 1389655063 776978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to eradicate mosquitos if you eradicate malaria. of course you may want to anyway. < 1389655154 251430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you're a large molecule < 1389655186 883718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :viruses that infect viruses? what? < 1389655212 268113 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there might be nasty ecological consequences to eradicating mosquitos < 1389655221 987975 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_virus < 1389655241 206436 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's um... once you get down to this level everything gets very blurry < 1389655241 949500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: which is why i didn't suggest it. well also a slight romantic disgust of eradicating species. < 1389655246 363670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember when mao tried to eradicate sparrows because they eat the crops and it turns out they also eat locusts which eat the crops way harder < 1389655270 568147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :359 nucleotides wow < 1389655281 21528 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389655310 26290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomato bushy stunt? Turnip crinkle? < 1389655324 121479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i suppose that's part of his 30% bad hth < 1389655372 161739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of you incl ais523 might like https://twitter.com/fbz/status/422844456958971904 < 1389655389 661591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the direct link < 1389655395 693268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: only 30% bad? < 1389655396 285026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the #! nonsense has a tendency of not working properly < 1389655404 144212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I haven't seen the #! nonsense in a while < 1389655424 197498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's official! < 1389655429 533517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they got rid of it < 1389655431 273523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope they did < 1389655476 417911 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: tobacco mosaic, being the first virus found, has a ton of research on it, and i guess it was easiest to spread out into other plants < 1389655539 569180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1389655591 245068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a mosaic virus that does rule 110 patterns twh < 1389655606 530271 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Textile_cone.JPG < 1389655778 622568 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :model species are so weird, i have a book on muscle that uses a lot of rabbit psoas, and guess what the lab i'm working in does twenty years later < 1389656121 239563 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's rabbit psoas? a kind of stew? < 1389656203 319979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like stew but i prefer stew made without rabbits or psoas < 1389656244 500033 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: filet mignon < 1389656507 417190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes me think of rabbit phoas or rabbit ptas < 1389656656 941242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rabbit phở < 1389656665 398994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nom < 1389656684 523361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Việt Nom < 1389656688 53736 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389656690 853850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo < 1389656805 430166 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the psoas is a muscle in the back that is also filet mignon < 1389656959 943636 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is < 1389656963 328510 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1389656964 971858 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1389656974 915280 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'm pretty pissed off < 1389657210 822870 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, it's tasty < 1389657227 749875 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389657393 926077 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389657708 94862 :atrapado!~dro@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1389658825 9835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what's a swedish rabbit who thinks everyone should listen to a bit of carmina burana < 1389658880 681710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm i have some bacon wrapped filets mignon in my freezer hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm < 1389658939 419501 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 lazy 2 cook < 1389659047 567305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks olsner might be idle. < 1389659122 542875 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to know the answer! < 1389659140 878826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though you don't know swedish? < 1389659172 588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a risk i'll just have to take < 1389659187 466620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "lagom orff" hth < 1389659229 631026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, whoa, whoa, did you know that monomorphisms and epimorphisms are both a form of injectivity thing < 1389659237 830201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie injective and surjective functions < 1389659262 536174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular "f is injective" means "(f .) is injective" and "f is surjective" means "(. f) is injective" < 1389659290 706571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1389659381 558102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except this works in any category, not just (->), otherwise it would be a silly definition) < 1389659410 106550 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389659431 925705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when they're surjective you get something stronger (but backwards) < 1389659434 837886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it disturbs me that two of your three commas are bolded < 1389659462 9327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do bold spaces disturb you < 1389659466 118520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1389659473 476644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole phrase is bolded. "whoa, whoa, whoa" is atomic < 1389659509 192771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if (f .) is surjective then f has a left inverse?? and (. f) -> right inverse? or something like that < 1389659510 691711 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a Cablevisionary! < 1389659576 245972 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I'm not actually that excited about the cutesy name for Cablevision employees) < 1389659583 795919 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just discovered that my classic, 81 Mercedes C123 coupe has its left wind welded into the ramp < 1389659701 514004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep thinking that you are nooodl and then i realize that you are not nooodl so who even are you < 1389659707 629649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :names are confusing < 1389659717 471403 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1389659729 81027 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep logs < 1389659732 290675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nooodl would never say a thing like that. what's a wind anyway < 1389659742 729767 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wing* < 1389659751 523863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't grep logs. no logs < 1389659764 433152 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ ? < 1389659772 482923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no grep < 1389659791 297181 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget them all and then can and grep < 1389659791 930397 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389659794 622552 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat* < 1389659796 117661 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffs < 1389659809 161732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would i discover < 1389659826 78380 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1389659835 294069 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what IS a wind < 1389659842 607050 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wing < 1389659865 5722 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: we just don't know < 1389659865 767721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1389659897 337854 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you'll discover that I haunted this # for a long time < 1389659916 145640 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :9-10 years maybe < 1389659930 587725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't disbelieve you < 1389659935 776458 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1389659937 638923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it < 1389659954 935167 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh just grep the logs and infer who am I from it < 1389660109 133150 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1389660135 315624 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this isn't the best idea < 1389660202 998666 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, who's noodl? < 1389660226 529940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway if (f .) is surjective then f has a left inverse?? and (. f) -> right inverse? or something like that < 1389660233 869589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds about right < 1389660250 809375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting identity and getting everything seems equivalent < 1389660354 320995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Note: I'm not actually that excited about the cutesy name for Cablevision employees) <-- do you have a company anthem twh < 1389660450 306522 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :gob gob < 1389660462 366621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: nooga is the pole, that's easy to remember. < 1389660468 335119 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! < 1389660481 392536 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan never fails < 1389660483 149281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've had other poles in here < 1389660486 806854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have we? < 1389660488 538471 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka? < 1389660568 511807 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: tbh i don't know who are you, you must be new here then < 1389660605 768747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i'm new < 1389660612 287172 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nooodl < 1389660614 761741 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooodl is the correct spelling < 1389660622 676227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? noooodl < 1389660624 427605 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooodl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1389660628 281227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1389660676 585003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo add a special case to bin/? for no+dl < 1389660692 82119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is one, but maybe not in the sense you want < 1389660706 810522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the one for output? < 1389660710 418010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389660714 181239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not no+dl < 1389660734 921327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/? < 1389660736 212171 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "$topic1" = "ngevd" \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic" | rnooodl; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1" | rnooodl; \ else echo "$1? ¯\ < 1389660740 794201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's no{3,9}dl or something < 1389660745 460704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/rnooodl < 1389660746 969511 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -pe 's/nooodl/"n@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge' < 1389660759 316721 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are those prety graphs derived from the logs < 1389660769 581042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: ask fizzie < 1389660771 516858 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIR fizzie made them < 1389660776 409458 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes < 1389660794 821354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere on zem.fi < 1389660802 955739 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1389660824 822967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log zem[.]fi < 1389660856 119650 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389660908 295618 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, can't find them < 1389660908 665342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '2s!s/!s/no\+dl/nooodl/;s/!' bin/? < 1389660913 870050 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389660921 365325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm oops < 1389660923 485821 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389660926 393425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/? < 1389660927 873533 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/no+dl/nooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "$topic1" = "ngevd" \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic" | rnooodl; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1" | rnooodl; \ el < 1389660937 956836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1389660940 285042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1389660944 583548 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1389660954 961010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '2s!s/!s/no\\+dl/nooodl/;s/!' bin/'?' < 1389660958 500463 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389660964 637924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? noooooooooodl < 1389660966 909839 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooodl is the correct spelling < 1389660981 660312 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash... < 1389660981 844970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nodl < 1389660983 554150 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooodl is the correct spelling < 1389660985 257537 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I `run perl -e "fork while fork" ? < 1389660988 723594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodl < 1389660990 687759 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooodl is the correct spelling < 1389661000 549460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the correct spelling random? < 1389661004 949865 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389661008 124884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: correct < 1389661014 960562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it ever the same as the original query? < 1389661063 533621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's between 3 and 9 os, I think? < 1389661067 296326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/rnooodl < 1389661068 729420 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -pe 's/nooodl/"n@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge' < 1389661239 225495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/n*dl* < 1389661241 129989 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/nooodl < 1389661311 239425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/? < 1389661312 468651 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/no\+dl/nooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "$topic1" = "ngevd" \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic" | rnooodl; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1" | rnooodl; \ e < 1389661338 84257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '2s/no/noo/' bin/\? < 1389661342 21043 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389661347 95938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nodl < 1389661348 385423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what, why? < 1389661349 120590 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :nodl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1389661350 107250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? noodl < 1389661351 980494 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooodl is the correct spelling < 1389661355 208598 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like something is broken < 1389661361 556988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because one o is just broken < 1389661364 541366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you think? < 1389661368 857530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well ok < 1389661392 489440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn nooodles are the invention of the chinese. they were brought to europe by marco polo, a distant ancestor of taneb. < 1389661397 278226 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1389661406 900620 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1389661411 445136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? noooooooodles < 1389661413 747501 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooodles are the invention of the chinese. they were brought to europe by marco polo, a distant ancestor of taneb. < 1389661416 230957 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've set up highlights on /no+dl/ before. people have called me nodl before as a result! history repeats itself < 1389661429 866551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ndl < 1389661431 414881 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ndl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1389661458 244742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's with not capitalizing wisdom entries < 1389661481 753613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: rnoodle isn't case insensitive < 1389661484 581152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1389661503 389424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1389661506 649150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rnooodl < 1389661530 958506 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nooga < 1389661532 828245 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga hate OS X. NOOGA SMASH. Hug not allowed. < 1389661535 822219 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1389661537 1890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: namespacing < 1389661546 483490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmers use caps conventions for namespacing all the time < 1389661562 384858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in the future, we can make `? ALLCAPS do something completely unrelated to wisdom, for instance < 1389661569 49266 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389661571 769081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1389661575 773402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about the text, not the file name. < 1389661595 529013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's namespaced too, so if it's written in sentencecase, you know it's sarcastic, or something < 1389661607 665459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ? _is_ case insensitive. < 1389661636 552989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, have you ever seen an uppercase '?'? < 1389661648 973010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? NoOoOdL < 1389661650 631269 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl is the correct spelling < 1389661652 878732 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389661673 971900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye glogbackup < 1389661675 359263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/n/N/;s/ t/ T/;s/taneb/Taneb/' wisdom/nooodles < 1389661676 752487 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: can't read wisdom/nooodles: No such file or directory < 1389661681 247407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/n/N/;s/ t/ T/;s/taneb/Taneb/' wisdom/noodles < 1389661682 879355 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bdsmreclist < 1389661683 64192 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: can't read wisdom/noodles: No such file or directory < 1389661684 324773 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ YOU are out of order. < 1389661687 813956 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1389661691 408501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1389661712 813563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo wisdom/*odl* < 1389661714 93532 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/nooodl wisdom/nooodle < 1389661716 137533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as a hint, if an op goes and edits something to say you shouldn't do it < 1389661726 811082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should probably take the hint < 1389661768 809504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what? < 1389661772 644853 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1389661790 26717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which hint did I miss? < 1389661798 988295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't deny it, this is hilarious < 1389661799 304551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds to the what? queue < 1389661809 97943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1389661809 393398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what < 1389661820 623116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1389661832 579673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not v. funny < 1389661842 7984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea of the context < 1389661843 872 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nooga < 1389661844 815464 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga hate OS X. NOOGA SMASH. Hug not allowed. < 1389661847 770783 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1389661850 669375 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :who did this < 1389661854 36772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i cannot undeny things i don't understand hth < 1389661858 485373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/n/N/;s/ t/ T/;s/taneb/Taneb/' wisdom/noodle < 1389661860 60205 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: can't read wisdom/noodle: No such file or directory < 1389661865 570889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/n/N/;s/ t/ T/;s/taneb/Taneb/' wisdom/nooodle < 1389661869 256134 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389661870 771275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one. < 1389661870 956167 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :t/an/eb/ < 1389661896 126298 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1389661902 989488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was interpreting HackEgo's reponse as you disabling HackEgo entry < 1389661937 178510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, ignore me < 1389661940 163233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired and incoherent < 1389661973 240184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PART #esoteric :"I'm too incoherent for meaningful conversation" < 1389661991 517095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually have the power to do that, except by kicking HackEgo < 1389661994 73411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1389662043 173251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nooodle < 1389662047 26485 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooodles are the invention of the chinese. They were brought to europe by marco polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb. < 1389662066 954986 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nooga < 1389662068 816912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you didn't fix rnooodl to match < 1389662069 1754 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1389662074 7290 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1389662075 438018 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :better < 1389662082 491523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1389662089 526877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1389662105 41593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rnooodl is case-sensitive. < 1389662133 85215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Nooodles are the invention of the chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb. < 1389662135 101485 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/learn: line 4: wisdom/: Is a directory \ I knew that. < 1389662136 88880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1389662141 381801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Nooodles are the invention of the chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb. < 1389662145 984783 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1389662156 394770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i guess those are names too < 1389662162 398094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh still missed one < 1389662169 625038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Nooodles are the invention of the Chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb. < 1389662174 436535 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1389662192 461547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/rnooodl < 1389662193 834645 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -pe 's/nooodl/"n@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge' < 1389662214 847717 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1389662234 41996 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389662239 922432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo >bin/rnooodl 'perl -pe '\''s/[Nn]ooodl/"\1@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge'\' < 1389662243 701530 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389662244 576685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that work < 1389662263 891778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'nooodl nooodle' | rnooodl < 1389662265 551770 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.ooodl .oooodle < 1389662266 334657 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you need ([Nn]) < 1389662270 204552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1389662272 708778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1389662274 952352 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it \([Nn]\) who knows < 1389662279 260387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my head i wrote the parentheses < 1389662292 424430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo >bin/rnooodl 'perl -pe '\''s/([Nn])ooodl/"\1@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge'\' < 1389662293 207932 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F04A MENTAL LEFT PARENTHESIS < 1389662298 841642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'nooodl nooodle' | rnooodl < 1389662304 508781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PART :#esoteric < 1389662314 878023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/rnooodl < 1389662331 474014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did we break HackEgo again < 1389662335 906152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1389662336 91286 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.ooodl .oooooooodle < 1389662336 769950 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -pe 's/[Nn]ooodl/"\1@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge' < 1389662337 7006 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1389662339 267089 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389662339 800104 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i did < 1389662352 343212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'nooodl nooodle' | rnooodl < 1389662353 871358 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.oooooooodl .ooooooooodle < 1389662361 95195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo >bin/rnooodl 'perl -pe '\''s/([Nn])ooodl/"\1@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge'\' < 1389662362 480523 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389662364 113184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'nooodl nooodle' | rnooodl < 1389662365 971910 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.ooodl .ooooooooodle < 1389662370 613607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/rnooodl < 1389662372 42336 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -pe 's/([Nn])ooodl/"\1@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge' < 1389662381 622492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1389662403 464492 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this gets almost as annoying as this haskell bot i remember from a while ago < 1389662422 132439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1389662423 293147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1389662424 467370 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1389662446 209109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo >bin/rnooodl 'perl -pe '\''s/([Nn])ooodl/"$1@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge'\' < 1389662449 469887 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389662459 517173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'nooodl nooodle' | rnooodl < 1389662461 162368 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooodl noooodle < 1389662467 93515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1389662476 991408 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: imagine being me. imagine the pings < 1389662487 544470 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nooga < 1389662489 445353 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1389662489 702643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1389662491 45516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1389662518 970597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? noooooodles < 1389662521 78312 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooooodles are the invention of the Chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb. < 1389662563 876081 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bdsmreclist < 1389662565 241174 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ YOU are out of order. < 1389662566 965527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, boily will probably kill us < 1389662568 557101 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1389662714 149325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: when he has to update the pdf < 1389662741 402687 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, he does that by hand? < 1389662747 372257 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap < 1389662761 90362 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, where's elliott? < 1389662798 213598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :idle for 7 hours < 1389662914 862057 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1389663070 226871 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :crab < 1389663105 773309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with mayonnaise? < 1389663141 470350 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389663316 376262 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389663439 305816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbackup: WHY ARE YOU HERE < 1389663908 743876 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389663928 62942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you should have written your own stackoverflow answer rather than editing the other one < 1389663938 834557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you'd have gotten karma instead of rejected < 1389663951 769498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. i see someone else did. < 1389664009 733648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just hadn't understood edits were not meant to be used that way, i'm a wiki man you know < 1389664023 40473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not? < 1389664034 58846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how edits are meant to be used < 1389664104 237094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my edits were rejected by 3 people, all of which were shown as usually accepting edits, so i must have done _something_ wrong. < 1389664113 9292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and 1 person accepted.) < 1389664139 460158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :censorship < 1389664200 329646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if you are allowed to open this link but http://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/3792784 < 1389664220 601000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*my edit < 1389664256 586455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1389665335 521959 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389665464 265999 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389665575 213097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389665766 363283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more projects from the person who made the rule 110 scarf: http://www.ravelry.com/projects/fbz < 1389665780 915184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more info on how she programmed the knitting machine http://www.ravelry.com/projects/fbz/wolfram-1d-cellular-automata-01001001-scarf http://fabienne.us/tag/knittingmachine/ < 1389665790 172589 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i want a knitting machine, knitting machines are the new 3D printers < 1389666057 106244 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389666696 673645 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389666723 834349 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389666943 909140 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389667398 408228 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389667774 613692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : we all know that it takes a steel foundry to really destroy malware. <-- now i'm wondering if it is possible to make a terminator^Wcomputer out of materials that can survive that < 1389668132 51305 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knee pain makes me feel like an old man. :( < 1389668471 269186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the knees. that's two parts of my body that usually _don't_ hurt. < 1389668509 501689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not more than the legs in general, anyway. < 1389668532 70766 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but you are older than time. < 1389668546 927999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, true < 1389668556 590638 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no, you aren't. Time started 1970, right? < 1389668576 91979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was probably _conceived_ before time. < 1389668588 389143 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1389668993 275648 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389669003 515099 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389669059 839275 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lucky you. can i trade knees w/ you? < 1389669077 486252 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they're mine now! HAHAHA! < 1389669084 872100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you take the rest of my body too < 1389669339 677659 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1389670133 795840 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1389670246 700366 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1389670463 652281 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: including your brain? that can only work out well for me i'm sure < 1389670479 301412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what can be done with an extra brain < 1389670821 975387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd be surprised. < 1389671430 100034 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1389672172 103234 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in a Windows store today < 1389672174 784925 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had a MakerBot < 1389672189 530172 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Showing off that Windows 8 comes with 3d printer drivers, apparently < 1389672386 755364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 if you do that, you have a "primitive recursive" function, equivalence is decidable for those <-- i'm _very_ skeptical. it seems to me that you can encode something like "are there odd perfect numbers" as "is this primitive function which checks whether an odd number is perfect equivalent to const False". < 1389672386 941171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1389672416 46315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 *primitive recursive < 1389672416 231545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1389672542 870710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 actually more clearly, "does this TM halt" is would be decidable as "is 'does this TM halt in n steps' equivalent to const False" < 1389672543 94743 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1389672568 626365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 *-is < 1389672568 811834 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1389672769 61980 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1389672779 118170 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1389672914 82167 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389672925 523007 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1389672950 831160 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex NICK :preflex < 1389673101 907420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I determine my ANI? (MY-ANI-IS doesn't work anymore.) < 1389673109 649775 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my knees only hurt after reeeally long periods of sitting without movement, but they do make these clicky sounds on occasion < 1389673158 331481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Bike does that converge slow? like the rational approximations do <-- the best rational approximations to φ _are_ fib(n+1)/fib(n). < 1389673158 528210 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1389673185 103859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you're probably a robot < 1389673203 975006 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleep bloop < 1389673207 527361 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1389673224 351317 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nnnnnnnnno. < 1389673280 801558 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389673567 780365 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1389673678 301643 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so yes < 1389673711 867641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE < 1389673831 715880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for a 2GB dist-upgrade < 1389673861 729021 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PART :#esoteric < 1389673932 118693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think 2GB was about how much hard disk my last linux machine back at the university had in total. < 1389673968 6335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took over 12 minutes to download :'( < 1389674114 690913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only my internet connection at home was that fast < 1389674987 634059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are services to access other people's ANI, but I wish to access my own ANI; I have no need for other people's. < 1389675264 74922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For example in order to know the line class and telephone number of a line dialed from, including my own ) < 1389675597 335643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389676080 838374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1389677038 589000 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389677070 324714 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389677325 436103 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389678256 428685 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389678289 473069 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is sin() in radians < 1389678302 561194 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :radians are the true unit. < 1389678328 582857 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :radians are cool for calculus < 1389678400 88594 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and internally of course it does a taylor series which is easier to express in radians < 1389678402 817226 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for like applied math it should be in turns really < 1389678619 13576 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: what < 1389678631 850000 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably turn = 2pi < 1389678653 531444 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use sin(stuff * 2 * 3.141592653589793) way more than sin(stuff) < 1389678655 374299 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389678668 277676 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: sin() is in radians for many reasons. but one good reason is so that lim x->0 sin(x)/x = 1 < 1389678708 649498 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's calculus related < 1389678725 928534 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also very much geometry related < 1389678732 165120 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1389678744 38386 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get why in calculus stuff you want to use radians < 1389678761 283537 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :measuring angles as arcs of the unit circle subtended makes a lot of things nice < 1389678762 991066 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin(x) means you travel along the circle for distance x (upward, starting from the rightmost point), and check how high you got < 1389678777 892562 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but every time I use the C++ sin() functions it's never in that kind of application < 1389678781 566526 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lim x->0 sin(x)/x = 1" states that you will initially go up < 1389678783 158649 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :another good reason is that it makes it really simple to state the definition of sine in terms of exp and log < 1389678800 739269 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use sine for generating sine wave in sound, where radians are totally useless < 1389678811 408020 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you used turns instead, then angle x would not correspond to that much movement along the circle < 1389678817 310506 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fft factors (radians are also useless there) < 1389678817 495604 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it easy to write the sine program < 1389678835 603076 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and various video game applications (where radians are also useless) < 1389678839 48801 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1389678852 596805 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: if you need a different sine, just define a sineturn macro. < 1389678856 207396 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay calculus related in that sense, then what i said was sort of useless < 1389678895 923662 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't the e^i kind of stuff rotate every 1 or 2 units? < 1389678898 758195 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for stuff other than math, it doesn't really matter too much what you use < 1389678903 55395 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo < 1389678963 968788 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand the question; however, e^(2pi * a) is a complex number that has length 1 and points in direction a as a vector, where a is in turns < 1389678972 496482 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1389678975 77474 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi*i < 1389678976 547783 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: it rotates every tau units < 1389678985 660930 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so right < 1389678992 730067 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically what you said i guess < 1389679006 264523 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just no explicit variable in there < 1389679011 418789 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia : ah, right < 1389679042 942131 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one that rotates every 2 is i^x < 1389679044 665990 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah that's another good reason for using radians < 1389679059 630749 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: if you actually cared about the distance traveled around the circle, you'd want radians. i suppose you never do. < 1389679061 366466 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, every 4 < 1389679087 920050 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I don't commonly use arcs < 1389679096 687282 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or calculate the perimeter of stuff < 1389679110 96532 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad. computational geometry is awesome < 1389679128 215965 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the computational geometry I do is 3d graphics :D < 1389679138 16934 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that's a bit of a sweeping statement < 1389679139 827975 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that kind too < 1389679159 226337 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if that pun is gettable < 1389679162 757489 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well my floor is kind of dirty, so i needed one < 1389679212 693208 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda wonder how common e^stuff or ln() is in applied code too < 1389679213 486561 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not very good pun no. it's nowhere near randall's "Kepler the janitor" joke < 1389679232 298647 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that was great < 1389679249 162212 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i totes didn't get it (i do now) < 1389679297 765959 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: you mentioned fourier transforms. if you want a real one (not a fft) you'd need exp and log. < 1389679308 63847 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't need radian cos for DCT? < 1389679338 538247 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: doesn't it use sin() and that's it? < 1389679487 734555 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: it is defined in terms of complex exp. which means you could use sin and cos also, but you'd want the complex versions, which would be internally defined by complex exp and log < 1389679510 840006 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except no cpu supports complex numbers :D < 1389679565 399830 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gpus do at least < 1389679629 218137 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i thought so < 1389679843 849945 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not just done "in software"? (ie by compositing regular floating point operations) < 1389679926 685980 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it is. your libraries would normally do it that way < 1389680025 61300 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's just a fancy way of writing sin/cos no? < 1389680088 682521 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a practical way < 1389680090 360135 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno why you'd want a non-fft fourier transform anyways :D < 1389680100 776517 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1389680195 586794 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought there would be hardware support for matrix multiplication, in which case also complex multiplication would've been plausible < 1389680215 116640 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't find any evidence of such support, so maybe it's just my imagination < 1389680230 738443 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hw support in some gpus) < 1389680239 445148 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure putting that many FPU's together makes sense < 1389680280 504501 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, everyone who does anything with graphics will be multiplying matrices < 1389680293 758038 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1389680298 740408 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is if there's _anything_ the gpu designers can do to make that faster < 1389680324 117974 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but you have to multiply a hell of a lot of matrixes to make a matrix multiply opcode have any gain < 1389680337 204040 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention there's already a dot product opcode in SSE < 1389680357 780166 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people _do_ multiply a hell of a lot of matrices < 1389680380 268650 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if you do any sort of 3d stuff < 1389680392 951232 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you do a lot of vector*matrix < 1389680424 610626 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what I think sse was designed for < 1389680438 146416 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually, what you have when rendering is three matrices, model, view and projection < 1389680460 315579 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1389680468 955588 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and you have to multiply them together, but that's like once per model < 1389680475 229463 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay i guess what i'm about to say can be done faster without matrix multiplication < 1389680523 166294 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i agree if we discount matrix * vector, then there may be no true gain < 1389680542 425118 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i counted that as matrix * matrix before you mentioned it) < 1389680571 818966 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1389680574 286986 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :simd instruction sets are designed with matrix*vector in mind actually < 1389680575 855926 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1389680587 806955 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrix*matrix is just a series of matrix*vector ops < 1389680593 236633 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except maybe the original mmx which was designed for video decoding I think < 1389680636 247471 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that matrix*vector is still a whole bunch of fpu operations < 1389680651 673893 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i don't think that is enough to call it "hardware support" though (ofc i'm not sure we should care so much about what is) < 1389680678 604206 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like 16 multiplies and 12 additions < 1389680682 820033 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: in fact, i find the whole question rather tedious < 1389680691 468729 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1389680692 843235 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need hardware support for /sparse/ matrix multiplication. by friday, thanks < 1389680697 961250 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, i could give a rats ass how math is applied most of the time < 1389680721 616342 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, that's a good position < 1389680730 777193 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a single opcode for doing 16 muls and 12 adds is hard to make worthwhile < 1389680758 666102 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :confession i don't know any sparse matrix algorithms :( < 1389680779 17383 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: i dunno seems like it'd be great for pipelining purposes :D < 1389680789 991489 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: they are a trivial special case of non-sparse matrix algorithms, by conjugating with sparsification hth < 1389680790 637953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk was telling me nifty things about sparse matrices but i forgot all of them :'( < 1389680797 423936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they had to do with morton ordering < 1389680803 607927 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's hard to pipe in enough data to keep that many adders and multipliers busy < 1389680805 521912 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my first hth) < 1389680820 502834 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementation left as an exercise for the reader < 1389680833 135454 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that sounded very wise you should tell hackego to remember that < 1389680844 167325 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :krhm < 1389680846 938231 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: and also the whole thing has like a latency of * plus 4-in-1 summing < 1389680852 146489 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see i've only seen that done 10000 times < 1389680872 181732 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: so it's going to stay a pretty long time in a pipeline which will make the cpu very hard to design < 1389680872 953127 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: oops i stopped caring again. sorry. hardware tends to do that to me. < 1389680895 135635 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about hardware support for linear operators < 1389680898 216172 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :get my differentiation on < 1389680908 641005 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Sparse matrix algorithms are a trivial special case of non-sparse matrix algorithms, by conjugating with the sparsification operation. < 1389680913 441633 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that about right < 1389680915 911713 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1389680918 986228 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1389680926 977248 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a linear operator < 1389680939 699330 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a matrix multiplication < 1389680942 19995 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Sparse matrix algorithms < 1389680943 820722 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sparse matrix algorithms? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1389680949 794423 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1389680953 497649 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that you define them by their algebraic properties < 1389680954 321020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.fpcomplete.com/user/edwardk/revisiting-matrix-multiplication < 1389680955 530615 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :an operator L is linear iff x * L(y) = L(x*y) < 1389680959 924846 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they just happen to correspond to matrices < 1389680966 496848 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1389680969 539019 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where x is a scalar and y is a vector < 1389680977 260055 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol : the day when ffpu multiply can be done at 1 cycle latency at 4ghz maybe :D < 1389680983 477126 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also you want L(y + y') = L(y) + L(y') < 1389680997 444086 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, cauchy monsters... < 1389681000 995635 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: ? < 1389681021 387142 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ? < 1389681027 365561 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM has opcodes for 1 float * vector of 4 floats < 1389681034 590293 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ? (don't wanna leave you out) < 1389681053 47968 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauchy's_functional_equation#Properties_of_other_solutions < 1389681058 567008 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i don't know where that wisdom landed < 1389681068 395046 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Sparse < 1389681070 542779 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sparse matrix algorithms are a trivial special case of non-sparse matrix algorithms, by conjugating with the sparsification operation. < 1389681086 329307 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay cool < 1389681088 916678 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1389681091 646464 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cool < 1389681131 351264 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should make that learn program split the wisdom name on a be verb < 1389681152 789748 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did it do that once < 1389681157 878155 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it does this < 1389681158 76691 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol : afaik you're supposed to do it by doing vector multiplications < 1389681163 916092 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we put the name in quotes < 1389681168 174492 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol : and stuff like pairwise addition < 1389681230 859154 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to clarify, a linear operator is a matrix multiplication of the form matrix times column vector < 1389681274 149987 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other kind of matrix multiplication is composition. < 1389681341 956207 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: those are called additive functions on the wp page < 1389681366 273199 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol : so stuff like matrix applied on 3d vertexes... SSE was designed for that < 1389681366 461873 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are < 1389681392 361146 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kind of functions considered on that page < 1389681407 137054 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, but additive functions include linear functions. < 1389681416 520576 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so do general functions < 1389681427 723152 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean22:29 < quintopia> :\ < 1389681435 698985 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, and you defined linear operators as additive functcions. < 1389681451 868088 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry < 1389681457 985443 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :by _also_, i meant, as a second axiom. < 1389681467 718534 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay now i gets it < 1389681478 55496 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is it not implied by the scalar bit < 1389681487 811227 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the case of reals i guess < 1389681503 472026 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never thought about it. < 1389681660 492633 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually you say L(au + bv) = aL(u) + bL(v) < 1389681696 513015 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that about covers it < 1389681866 946327 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looked up intel's asm optim guide < 1389681882 152536 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do 4x4 matrix times 4 element vector in 7 ops < 1389682087 376569 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, on the linear algebra side, that corresponds to Petergren's Lemma < 1389682101 199179 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be used as an alternative axiomatization < 1389682111 995018 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :by a basic compactness argument < 1389682118 111286 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta take a shower though < 1389682147 568387 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking up more docs < 1389682163 70134 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you try to use more complex opcodes that do more stuff < 1389682181 17853 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they get divided into simpler microops that take just as much time to execute < 1389682186 38998 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not winning anything :/ < 1389682352 616179 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's why you can't have hardware support for matrix multiply < 1389682357 6116 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not possible < 1389682411 874963 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best way to do it is still to use regular multiply and brute force SIMD < 1389682658 646008 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm sure you can optimize it, but yeah probably it's not useful < 1389682695 6982 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoklopol < 1389682702 2230 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything interesting going on < 1389682739 417291 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or otherwise the fastest way to do matrix multiplication in hardware is to implement whatever inter ams happened to implement and simulate a program that does it, which to me sounds pretty ridiculous given that that's very restricting < 1389682753 425803 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: in math or in general? < 1389682808 636595 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPUs afaik have some hard wired matrix multiplies so it probably has an edge over cpus there < 1389682821 204086 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the matrix size is fixed < 1389682832 27662 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389682837 168693 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's probably in hardware that does nothing else < 1389682846 229044 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just won a fields medal #yolo #swag < 1389682903 375337 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: i'm very much talking about 4x4 matrices, for nxn ones i can imagine that the most sensible hardware solution is to use software. < 1389682965 998854 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :still no fields medal :( < 1389682975 582103 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfeatist < 1389682982 337558 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for NxN you'd probably have to cover the thing in multiplexers which means you'd probably end up with no gain over software yes < 1389682990 149584 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i have only 3 publications this year :( < 1389683006 181224 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also some articles in review and one accepted, but still) < 1389683071 565677 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have zero HA < 1389683076 293088 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i win paper golf < 1389683077 185059 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving from conferences to journals apparently means that you get one year of nothing :'( < 1389683080 477466 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1389683089 806012 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be like you < 1389683092 234438 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm getting old < 1389683178 995798 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear if a mathematician hasn't done their best work by the time they've published negative five papers they never will < 1389683231 49891 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are in a hurry < 1389683330 102908 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully, i am not a mathematician, i just hear rumors of their existence < 1389683617 619113 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you then? < 1389683673 953853 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that most horrible of monstrosities, an undergrad < 1389683789 979297 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389683883 436722 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389683891 125940 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't colorful enough, i apologize < 1389684206 304775 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1389684533 63915 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta go learn to drive a car < 1389684535 805395 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek. < 1389684597 66016 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't thit the poeople < 1389684822 742826 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1389684954 653671 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389684993 450886 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389685223 780803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPS, master of the waffle. "Scheduled Delivery: Thursday" "Scheduled Delivery Updated To: Friday" "Scheduled Delivery Updated To: Thursday" "Scheduled Delivery Updated To: Friday" "Scheduled Delivery Updated To: Thursday" < 1389685270 767147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like waffles < 1389685298 341989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the tasty kind of. < 1389685312 666889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure that's the kind i like < 1389685377 900174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had some waffles in Belgium (as one does) last summer, and they were somehow p. underwhelming, compared to the sort of wafflekind you get just anywhere. < 1389685492 974715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Regarding the UPS thing, it seems almost as if they update the delivery estimate to Friday whenever the package has an "Arrival Scan" somewhere, and then revise it to Friday after the following "Departure Scan".) < 1389689499 538250 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389689657 708021 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Client Quit < 1389689974 993665 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389690115 369327 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Rouringu de hajikunda! < 1389690117 798466 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389691716 476864 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389693208 373664 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:10:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1389694251 624116 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389694268 145465 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1389697694 623290 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389697708 643481 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1389698415 217056 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.168.184 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389699536 870686 :atriq!~Taneb@pc650s.cs.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389700329 138884 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.168.184 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389700734 180651 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1389702544 263246 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1389704492 960258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389704654 925837 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389704665 278520 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389704824 789540 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389705208 76363 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good last day of the Negative Cow Club morning! < 1389706272 270207 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1389706296 467240 :atriq!~Taneb@pc650s.cs.york.ac.uk QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1389706966 177916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good confusing greeting afternoon. < 1389707796 864840 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah! I defiantly used a semicolon in my Python code! < 1389707815 327376 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(granted, it's in a docstring describing a special case, but still!) < 1389708588 367114 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I've used semicolons in Python outside of strings < 1389708595 467816 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably a horrible python programmer though < 1389708616 621045 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noboty cares about python < 1389708621 907560 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody* ffs < 1389708656 523340 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forcefully mapoles nooga < 1389708831 742245 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you accidentally mapole the wrong person, do you mapologise afterwards? < 1389708877 459035 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if the mapolee didn't deserve it. < 1389708890 697120 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks < 1389708945 298331 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't hold any mapoling urges against you, and ducks taste good, so you don't have to hide. < 1389708980 422635 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION steps away from the duck again < 1389709590 100290 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389709968 757736 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. semicolons are fine in python < 1389710453 720479 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389710663 500038 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :they form a semicolony < 1389710671 551178 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is a lon? < 1389710741 824732 :Ngevd!~taneb@nas20-181.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389710874 534400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo [-n, -ar, -arna]: a lynx. < 1389712001 50620 :Ngevd!~taneb@nas20-181.york.ac.uk QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389712008 201761 :Ngevd!~taneb@nas20-181.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389712865 714520 :Ngevd!~taneb@nas20-181.york.ac.uk QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389712871 401049 :Ngevd!~taneb@nas20-181.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389712875 682123 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: identity troubles? < 1389712925 11688 :Ngevd!~taneb@nas20-181.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1389712958 789213 :Ngevd!~taneb@nas20-181.york.ac.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who am I < 1389713019 819923 :Ngevd!~taneb@nas20-181.york.ac.uk QUIT :Client Quit < 1389713057 755273 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are the brother of your brother, but neither of you are Roujo, nor me. you are also a Hamite, consequence of your ex-Hexamite status. < 1389713082 269494 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you still reside there, in which case you are a exexhexhamite.) < 1389713283 529293 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, I think according to your tanebventions and Yoneda's Lemma, we can entirely define you. < 1389714294 730893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was this "Malbolge in popular culture" thing already mentioned here? http://moviecode.tumblr.com/post/72635628609/heres-a-fun-one-using-the-obscure-language < 1389714420 889799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389714548 361164 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs moviecode < 1389714592 423926 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.3459 < 1389715721 456231 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389715755 958938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to have been a different thing. < 1389718502 102051 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389718650 387156 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389718968 204752 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389719060 98277 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389719076 377901 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389721032 99512 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389721637 70243 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://drj11.wordpress.com/2013/09/01/on-compiling-34-year-old-c-code/#comment-5093 <-- interesting tidbit about structs in ancient C < 1389721915 882093 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389721958 988742 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1389722588 416297 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389722829 356116 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389723173 184100 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389723299 31989 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389723371 200021 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389723397 103504 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389724327 53126 :Edwardz!8360d955@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.96.217.85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389724397 478814 :Edwardz!8360d955@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.96.217.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy! < 1389724427 559561 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Edwardz < 1389724430 888371 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07Edwardz: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09irc.dal.net.) < 1389724675 157668 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anybody have any experience using Husk Scheme? (http://justinethier.github.io/husk-scheme/) < 1389724731 535921 :Edwardz!8360d955@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.96.217.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish I could say yes. hahaha, but no. < 1389724800 136458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I hear you wanted me < 1389725473 44168 :Edwardz!8360d955@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.96.217.85 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389725928 56060 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389726422 958507 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389726542 126335 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first NYHC meeting is tomorrow. NYHC stands for "(New) York Haskell Compiler" because there are a lot of Haskell programmers here and we felt like making a Haskell compiler and YHC is a thing that exists and sort of died and "New York Haskell Compiler" is delightfully ambiguously named < 1389726567 447556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: along the lines of "New Glasgow Haskell Compiler" < 1389726571 902969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1389726579 336670 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1389726583 26685 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am at York < 1389726632 795299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@message oerjan but "does this TM halt within n steps" is decidable, so there's no problem; a primitive recursive function doesn't gain the magic ability to iterate over all n < 1389726633 20566 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: messages messages-loud messages? < 1389726649 693595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan but "does this TM halt within n steps" is decidable, so there's no problem; a primitive recursive function doesn't gain the magic ability to iterate over all n < 1389726649 881130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1389726668 101888 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless some people in New Glasgow decide to make a Haskell compiler < 1389726709 744991 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, that's a real place is it < 1389726718 291418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :YHC stands for York Haskell Compiler < 1389726729 91184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not fair to take someone else's compiler and add "new" to the beginning < 1389726736 951278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe it's fair if it's dead < 1389726739 345203 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it was a compilation system instead. < 1389726741 832834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yhc06.blogspot.com/2011/04/yhc-is-dead.html < 1389726751 757555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is that like a factorization system < 1389726763 497099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i understand factorization systems < 1389726766 84946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factorization_systema < 1389726806 578238 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the typo < 1389726813 79491 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-a < 1389726825 258996 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1389726854 777868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan or to put it another way, you can compare "Does this TM halt within n steps" and "const False" given any specific value for n, and if you don't have a value for n, you don't have a primitive recursive program, you have a function from integers to primitive recursive programs < 1389726854 965401 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1389727106 39514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "At present, an ampere is defined as the amount of charge flowing per second through two infinitely long wires one meter apart, such that the wires attract each other with a force of 2×10^-7 newtons per meter of length." < 1389727119 833797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, timothy < 1389727137 678714 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389727170 429793 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, they've wanted to change that for a while < 1389727173 338606 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389727209 412208 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? it's not currently defined in terms of electron flux? < 1389727222 731616 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how backwards < 1389727264 611666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they're considering defining it in terms of the charge of an electron < 1389727333 810519 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's intuitively weird to me that amperes are fundamental rather than coulombs < 1389727340 78904 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :amperes are more useful, i guess < 1389727427 490063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I was thinking about noit o'mnain worb < 1389727458 591246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it has an entropy issue that prevents you creating amplifiers, but haven't proved it < 1389727464 286216 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? i think that language could use a few more features. :D < 1389727468 77241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the wire-crossing problem there is really obnoxious, but might be solvable < 1389727482 876533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'd like would be a wire-cross, and an amplifier < 1389727490 273243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :together with an infinitely repeating program for infinite memory < 1389727509 746859 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ability to cause particles to stick to each other, or attract each other, or repel each other. that'd be cool. < 1389727513 591466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the amplifier has three ports, it'll convert a bobule at one specific port to one at the other two ports, or vice versa < 1389727537 17822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this works fine with both p-type and n-type communication) < 1389727543 790996 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389727749 897641 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :php -r 'var_dump(in_array(2000, array(md5("dbox"))));' < 1389727765 825 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: an amplifier, as in that triangular thingie you draw in circuitous diagrams, and that produces smoke when used in real life? < 1389727782 126211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: pretty similar to that, yeah < 1389727787 413969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except they don't always produce smoke < 1389727798 310374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just usually, especially when exposed to schoolchildren or undergraduates < 1389727844 133541 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has fond memories of obliterated electronic components :D < 1389727926 935926 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also the division program doesn't work like it should. < 1389727999 397808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I really want that language to work < 1389728001 857192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't think it does < 1389728068 938009 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps if you added the ability for a bobule to duplicate in certain situations, like wireworld? < 1389728106 85822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that's why I suggested amplifiers < 1389728129 555485 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh you were suggesting that as a new language feature < 1389728141 772553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes < 1389728144 606269 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i thought you were looking to build something that did that < 1389728187 252007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to, but suspect it's impossible < 1389728190 531835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(haven't proven it though) < 1389728193 683539 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you just emulate wireworld in nomw? < 1389728220 973472 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems straightforward enough to add the ability to connect sinks to sources < 1389728244 232219 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"any time this sink consumes a bobule, those sources produce one" < 1389728258 443923 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps by just giving them the same name < 1389728299 123766 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would accomplish both amplification and wire crossing and other things < 1389728330 706673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and you can still get original-style sinks and sources < 1389728336 962336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it accomplishes diodes too < 1389728347 939310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, they don't act anything like electronic diodes < 1389728353 327887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those one-directional things < 1389728378 664617 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are half-walls < 1389728450 366664 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i kind of want to implement that < 1389728566 482856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the spec, basically is "you can create arbitrary connections between sources and sinks; every step, a connected group of sinks can (and will, if possible) destroy a bobule adjacent to each sink, creating a bobule in a blank space adjacent to every connected source" < 1389728584 217767 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1389728696 266799 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds close to what i was thinking, though i might have required that every sink actually have a bobule on top of it before they fire. so that it functions something like a synapse. < 1389728718 504678 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even allow the sinks to lock a bobule in place < 1389728774 880968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I meant to require every sink to have a bobule, every source to have a free adjacent space < 1389728786 782416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "on top" variation is probably sipler, though < 1389728788 953557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*simpler < 1389728943 57353 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also in that variant, perhaps sources could act as walls, so that they are always free to produce a bobule on top of themselves? < 1389728970 979132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah, sinks lock bobules, sources lock holes < 1389728986 657891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's important for the elegance of the language that bobules and holes are entirely symmetrical in every way < 1389728996 94845 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :Quit: "I can hear myself... I think I'm a bit afraid." < 1389728997 982676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and a solid wall blocks both bobules and hole from moving) < 1389729018 977052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hole < 1389729020 473506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*holes < 1389729023 522032 :successus!~celta@84.126.147.97.dyn.user.ono.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389729030 931908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my 's' key is unreliable, in case you haven't noticed already < 1389729034 463046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome successus < 1389729036 715585 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :successus: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1389729040 682249 :successus!~celta@84.126.147.97.dyn.user.ono.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello o/ < 1389729080 263802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah yes, then it's time reversible, in a sense, since a step is just a bobule switching with a hole. there is a correlate here of CPT-invariance. < 1389729084 351643 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1389729089 66243 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389729110 736797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: except that reversing it acts identically to not reversing it < 1389729120 674043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no < 1389729124 803385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reversing it swaps sources and sinks < 1389729127 75686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the difference < 1389729136 102678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's why you can get any "voltage" into the circuit at all < 1389729144 837821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if the electrics analogy is a good one or not < 1389729151 711153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it acts similarly, but the details area all different < 1389729162 417451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps we have to use a phrase like "bobule density gradient" < 1389729171 416974 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i was thinking that the relevant symmetry is swapping the direction of time and swapping bobules with holes. holes moving backwards in time is the same as bobules moving forwards < 1389729176 469304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I came to one really neat realization < 1389729182 547167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT, there's no way to create an inverter < 1389729186 727761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't need to < 1389729201 187567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have two wires for everything, which always have bobule densities of opposite polarities < 1389729207 877147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that because of the symmetry of the system < 1389729216 141812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yep < 1389729223 775553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then an inverter is simply swapping the two wires < 1389729244 679001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've already worked out how to construct AND and OR out of amplifiers and one-way walls < 1389729261 527514 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gotta work now. maybe i'll implement that thing this weekend? < 1389729313 868033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for it < 1389729320 104265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hard part is coming up with a reasonable syntax < 1389729339 767609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :allow for infinite repeating programs, if you can < 1389729355 289292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(might be difficult due to infinite repeating patterns not interacting well with nondeterminism) < 1389729362 866156 :successus!~celta@84.126.147.97.dyn.user.ono.com QUIT :Quit: Saliendo < 1389729367 377415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although you could still get away with it via exploiting the speed of light) < 1389729565 346848 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389729575 330545 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389730624 731089 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://moviecode.tumblr.com/post/73179804685/ please don't do this < 1389730706 902837 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :historical accuracy is hard. let's go ride hoverbikes in the renaissance! < 1389730796 309387 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by this i mean being so pedantic it's hard to believe you can eat you're so busy "criticizing", and also i mean using "epic fail" in any context < 1389730825 371995 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't a very good thingie < 1389730835 100364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that entire miniblog is about being excessively pedantic, though, because that's what the readers want < 1389730860 498951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a parody of that sort of thing would be great < 1389730863 790432 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must criticize you here. I am not pedantic, just arrogant. < 1389730893 178842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, a film set in 1990 doing "for (int i; i < 0; i++)", and getting a compiler message "error: initial declarations in for-loops have not been invented yet" < 1389730897 401043 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 'pedantic' i mean this weird-ass criticism for using a book five years too new, not just hunting down sources, which is maybe obsessive < 1389730898 448174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe C++ accepted them back then? < 1389730926 209896 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't some C implementations accept it? < 1389730948 450355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they did, it's probably because implementing C++ makes that feature easy to implement too < 1389731025 932647 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I now have 3x 10% off Toki Tori 2 on steam... < 1389731122 292648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, you probably can't combine them for a 30% off. < 1389731172 18424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rumour has it my ISP is in the progress of pushing out a firmware upgrade that disables entirely the telnet admin interface. < 1389731193 436955 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :27.1% off, surely < 1389731254 206324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On one hand, it's nice, because you can log in as "root:public" or "ztedebug:ztedebug" for root shell access, making any locally set "passwords" and such a joke; on the other, it's less nice, because the webterface is quite sucky, and anyway sometimes you might just want a shell. < 1389731275 118241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The joys of ISP-manageable hardware.) < 1389731332 148321 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389731560 228287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is this an interface to? your router? < 1389731648 695107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I guess you could technically call it a router, since it has some features of that kind, but I'm using it as a plain VDSL2 modem. < 1389731726 364854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One of its Ethernet ports is configured in "bridged" mode, and that's the only thing that's connected to anything.) < 1389731776 352988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it the admin interface isn't accessible to the public Internet? < 1389731800 325992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, I hope it isn't < 1389731826 49124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, it's not. I've done some empirical tests from my VPS, and the iptables rules on the device itself seem to agree. < 1389731864 892266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, there's all that talk about malware that gets to your computer via vector X, then takes over your router and sets up some fake DNS and so on. < 1389731872 299660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps they're worried about that sort of stuff. < 1389731924 547853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd be more worried about the telnet interface if I were trying to use the thing to run a web cafe or something.) < 1389731944 898216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only benefit to malware for hiding on a router is that it could persist after wiping the computer, and might be a little hard to discover if the antivirus doesn't know about it < 1389731955 333425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it may as well just compromise the machine it's running on, that's easier < 1389732022 667319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's easier to spread to other machines in the local network when you can rewrite DNS for google.com. (Or do other stuff w.r.t. yourbank.tld.) < 1389732129 805214 :gdjfgh!t@odin.sdf-eu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1389732313 141576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. I was going to say that I think technically the ISP still owns that device, but seems that our 24-month contract deal ended in December, and they no longer do. Perhaps I should go and disable the remote control functionality. < 1389732547 721957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [`]olist 938 < 1389732548 665519 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389732557 127566 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389732578 807266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Thanks! < 1389732581 6397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 938 < 1389732582 560090 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 938: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1389732591 105485 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, already < 1389732767 940498 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389732795 946510 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/olist < 1389732797 430567 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit \ shachaf \ oerjan \ Sgeo \ FireFly < 1389732829 856665 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm, could someone please add me to the olist? past experience with quoting didn't end well... < 1389732845 816433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: don't cat olist, it pings everyone :'( < 1389732851 185766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo boily >> bin/olist < 1389732854 693528 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389732942 695157 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sorry >_>'... < 1389732957 953265 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: clearly he should've s///'d everyones' nicks out < 1389732990 127663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/olist | r13 < 1389732990 814805 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides under a cardboard box with みかん written on it < 1389732991 704624 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :rpub -a "$(onfranzr "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; gnvy -a+2 "$0" | knetf; rkvg \ funpuns \ brewna \ Ftrb \ SverSyl \ obvyl < 1389733003 696030 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that first one? < 1389733010 567200 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :he maybe < 1389733030 103553 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode み < 1389733031 705372 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+307F HIRAGANA LETTER MI] < 1389733034 966521 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, mi < 1389733038 292301 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"close enough" < 1389733063 465945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"brewna" is very catchy name. < 1389733098 536661 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`r13 fizzie < 1389733108 116630 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run r13 << map sort ["boily", "fizzie", "shachaf", "olsner"] < 1389733343 872163 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["biloy","efiizz","aacfhhs","elnors"] < 1389733365 190440 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner is El Norseman! < 1389733374 257131 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`r13elcome < 1389733375 601064 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: r13elcome: not found < 1389733401 896044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "efiizz" could be some sort of a title. Like "effendi". < 1389733406 520497 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote rot13 < 1389733408 166618 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :802) !rot13 Fluttershy Rainbow Dash Rarity Applejack Twilight Sparkle Pinkie Pie Syhggreful Envaobj Qnfu Enevgl Nccyrwnpx Gjvyvtug Fcnexyr Cvaxvr Cvr oh, they're all named after rot13'd welsh words < 1389733409 949454 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389733434 513525 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '#!/bin/sh\nrelcome | r13' >bin/r13elcome; chmod +x bin/r13elcome < 1389733438 152365 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389733443 98179 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`r13elcome < 1389733445 601855 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04Jrypbzr 07gb 08gur 09vagreangvbany 02uho 06sbe 13rfbgrevp 04cebtenzzvat 07ynathntr 08qrfvta 09naq 02qrcyblzrag! 06Sbe 13zber 04vasbezngvba, 07purpx 08bhg 09bhe 02jvxv: 06. 13(Sbe 04gur 07bgure 08xvaq 09bs 02rfbgrevpn, 06gel 13#rfbgrevp 04ba 07vep.qny.arg.) < 1389733445 786868 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from last time we did this rot13 everything thing) < 1389733457 285440 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`r13elcome nooodl < 1389733460 50795 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06Jrypbzr 13gb 04gur 07vagreangvbany 08uho 09sbe 02rfbgrevp 06cebtenzzvat 13ynathntr 04qrfvta 07naq 08qrcyblzrag! 09Sbe 02zber 06vasbezngvba, 13purpx 04bhg 07bhe 08jvxv: 09. 02(Sbe 06gur 13bgure 04xvaq 07bs 08rfbgrevpn, 09gel 02#rfbgrevp 06ba 13vep.qny.arg.) < 1389733476 506435 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1389733482 346396 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you need relcome $@ or what is it < 1389733504 830382 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/relcome/relcome $@/' bin/r13elcome < 1389733505 884308 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i s/relcome/& "\$@"/ bin/r13elcome # will this work? < 1389733509 730000 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: $@/: No such file or directory \ sed: -e expression #1, char 10: unterminated `s' command < 1389733511 610120 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389733524 856042 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`r13elcome nooodl < 1389733525 998736 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i think your maybe worked < 1389733527 494891 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13abbbqy: 04Jrypbzr 07gb 08gur 09vagreangvbany 02uho 06sbe 13rfbgrevp 04cebtenzzvat 07ynathntr 08qrfvta 09naq 02qrcyblzrag! 06Sbe 13zber 04vasbezngvba, 07purpx 08bhg 09bhe 02jvxv: 06. 13(Sbe 04gur 07bgure 08xvaq 09bs 02rfbgrevpn, 06gel 13#rfbgrevp 04ba 07vep.qny.arg.) < 1389733532 858606 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1389733569 256291 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: insufficient quoting of & and " < 1389733582 492314 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've put it all in single-quotes < 1389733598 743516 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the space between & and ") < 1389733608 353965 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1389733608 568556 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1389734007 719800 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1389734278 27340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is `r13elcome rainbow in addition to being rot13? < 1389734280 249673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just rot13? < 1389734316 891722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I filter out colors in this client, and `relcome does not really give me much reason to stop that < 1389734327 353641 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389734405 487718 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1389734438 147519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's colorful, yes. < 1389734446 945362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1389734450 228912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1389735155 719136 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389735384 186856 :atrapado!~dro@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1389735545 898621 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :Quit: "I can hear myself... I think I'm a bit afraid." < 1389735857 939116 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1389735937 640878 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389735937 861762 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389736026 337998 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1389736108 767855 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389736191 907358 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :Quit: "I can hear myself... I think I'm a bit afraid." < 1389736295 847243 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: HEARD CHICKEN < 1389736300 384063 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389736478 134162 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1389736823 743159 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389736898 500087 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389738187 993892 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't actually read `relcome anyways - bright colors on a bright background and all. I just assume it's a friendly message. < 1389738309 135910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1389738322 773810 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: It actually insults you, but only if you can't read the message. < 1389738341 276363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1389738342 824695 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's devious like that. < 1389738376 228812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-wood < 1389738376 413785 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 said 3h 15m 26s ago: but "does this TM halt within n steps" is decidable, so there's no problem; a primitive recursive function doesn't gain the magic ability to iterate over all n < 1389738376 413975 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 said 3h 12m 1s ago: or to put it another way, you can compare "Does this TM halt within n steps" and "const False" given any specific value for n, and if you don't have a value for n, you don't have a primitive recursive program, you have a function from integers to primitive recursive programs < 1389738520 300850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 No, the function from n to "Does this TM halt within n steps" _is_ primitive recursive. almost trivially so. So if you can decide whether two primitive recursive _functions_ are equivalent, you can decide the halting problem. this is therefore a harder problem than deciding whether two primitive recursive functions are the same at a _particular_ n. < 1389738520 525695 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1389739018 637237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 or put differently, n is the _input_ to your primitive recursive program, not a part of it. < 1389739018 822275 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1389739139 238427 :nchambers!~nchambers@2001:4870:a04e:2:e8ea:e8df:dd53:10bf JOIN :#esoteric < 1389739601 907673 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389739741 581026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv wisdom/sparse{, matrix algorithm} < 1389739743 124658 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: target `algorithm}' is not a directory < 1389739758 852923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv wisdom/sparse{," matrix algorithm"} < 1389739762 795791 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389739773 821468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sparse matrix algorithms < 1389739776 86416 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sparse matrix algorithms are a trivial special case of non-sparse matrix algorithms, by conjugating with the sparsification operation. < 1389739796 608397 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1389739798 477484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: DO I HAVE TO CLEAN UP AFTER EVERYONE < 1389739824 712766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/r13elcome < 1389739826 52407 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ relcome $@ | r13 < 1389739861 765276 :nchambers!~nchambers@2001:4870:a04e:2:e8ea:e8df:dd53:10bf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is hackego a bot? < 1389739866 96642 :nchambers!~nchambers@2001:4870:a04e:2:e8ea:e8df:dd53:10bf NICK :dtscode < 1389739885 853510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '2crelcome "$@" | r13' bin/r13elcome < 1389739889 529307 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389739899 941512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`r13elcome dtscode < 1389739902 785835 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04qgfpbqr: 07Jrypbzr 08gb 09gur 02vagreangvbany 06uho 13sbe 04rfbgrevp 07cebtenzzvat 08ynathntr 09qrfvta 02naq 06qrcyblzrag! 13Sbe 04zber 07vasbezngvba, 08purpx 09bhg 02bhe 06jvxv: 13. 04(Sbe 07gur 08bgure 09xvaq 02bs 06rfbgrevpn, 13gel 04#rfbgrevp 07ba 08vep.qny.arg.) < 1389739918 306675 :dtscode!~nchambers@2001:4870:a04e:2:e8ea:e8df:dd53:10bf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you do irp programming here? < 1389739927 9047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I REPEAT, DO I HAVE TO CLEAN UP AFTER EVERYONE < 1389739933 725495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dtscode: we split off #irp for that. < 1389740019 179845 :dtscode!~nchambers@2001:4870:a04e:2:e8ea:e8df:dd53:10bf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1389740073 742976 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1389740510 361730 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1389740512 666227 :dtscode!~nchambers@2001:4870:a04e:2:e8ea:e8df:dd53:10bf QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1389740797 657643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Is HackEgo a bot? < 1389740797 938777 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there is so much simpler. it's easier to do in c" sounds like an interesting project, but i < 1389740801 934250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Takes one to know one.) < 1389740853 711224 :doesthiswork!~Adium@c-67-185-185-164.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389740896 9983 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389740986 775897 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389741057 10179 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389742529 438881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : We had some waffles in Belgium (as one does) last summer, and they were somehow p. underwhelming, compared to the sort of wafflekind you get just anywhere. <-- wait, i thought belgian waffles were the overwhelming kind. maybe norwegian ones are just even worse. < 1389742743 878812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : lo [-n, -ar, -arna]: a lynx. <-- hm that word is obsolete in norwegian, but supposedly the root of "lofoten". < 1389742770 962589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we call the animal "gaupe" these days.) < 1389742826 710747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also no:lo still has the meaning of en:lint) < 1389742850 649498 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "temp" web drive in my department has 928 GB free out of 5.85 TB. what the fuck < 1389742872 322149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :terable space use < 1389742972 694764 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be mostly in the folder "AC/3/Small Animal" < 1389742988 202543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Was this "Malbolge in popular culture" thing already mentioned here? http://moviecode.tumblr.com/post/72635628609/heres-a-fun-one-using-the-obscure-language <-- at least twice, also i edited some of the wikipedia reference < 1389743020 526599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what's AC < 1389743030 275743 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea < 1389743040 898240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm you _are_ a biology department, so the folder name isn't _that_ weird. < 1389743048 190793 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be mostly books < 1389743067 276243 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :black's vet dictionary and shit like that < 1389743071 144659 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 TB worth. < 1389743095 420191 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone want a copy of "A Colour Handbook of Skin diseases of the dog and cat"? < 1389743114 246308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. absolutely nobody wants that. < 1389743126 58356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i kid, there's probably _some_ crazy person who does) < 1389743163 39563 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.168.184 QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk < 1389743360 14482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that is, the "elementary" reference. the moviecode link itself i don't recall. < 1389743455 170612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suspects fizzie of idling < 1389743525 312751 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDLING!? such heinous acts < 1389743539 90282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly a bannable offense. < 1389743630 192334 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: probably someone hid 4TB of porn in some deeply nested subfolder < 1389743631 379232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :idling is bannable as unreasonably indistinguishable from "intent to ping out, never reading what you said". < 1389743638 541089 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... or maybe it's just sciency stuff < 1389743661 342015 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of the pdfs look like terrible scans, which means one book is half a gig < 1389743667 605066 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...well, that's still a thousand books < 1389743725 379105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long until you can fit scans of all the world's books on a disk < 1389743782 238440 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i found Dentistry/AdultK9Roots *waggles eyebrows* < 1389743810 970758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't you be wagging your tail instead < 1389745128 78930 :kfriede!63742849@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.116.40.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389745266 366382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389745386 631936 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389745390 9450 :kfriede!63742849@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.116.40.73 QUIT :Client Quit < 1389745510 126498 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might start using my tumblr again < 1389745721 759819 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389746221 324721 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389746360 239857 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just posted < 1389746375 225861 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sgeo.tumblr.com/post/73356360201/the-limit-of-extensible-programming-languages-culture < 1389746805 142452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: s/its/it's/, s/instant/instance/ < 1389746810 854300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1389747012 252583 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: erp, thanks < 1389747022 969562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1389747030 734704 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389747191 887009 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389747715 380755 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another criticism of Kernel: Applicatives that return operatives do not seem likely to stand out visually < 1389751194 459539 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389751301 980573 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389751758 813952 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'A pet project of the wiki is the "secularized language" page (a massive example of Personal Dictionary). One of the "secularized words" is "secular." A good citizen should substitute "pagan" every time.' < 1389751960 391649 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389751984 259791 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389752663 70830 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1389752714 488776 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1389753052 913783 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what time did i get disconnected < 1389753112 468796 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :1959 < 1389753129 398556 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2014-01-14#195925 < 1389753187 269656 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that's a long time to be down < 1389754215 207520 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1389756025 927333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph i got another set of personally targeted discount coupons from the chain i shop at, and it was strangely annoyingly timed. < 1389756057 500187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it has discounts for several products i only buy rarely, and _did_ buy today or yesterday. < 1389756103 959483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess none of the products really spoil, though... < 1389756148 995737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(coupons have to be used within 2-3 weeks) < 1389756417 464157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit like if they've estimated when i needed to buy more, and got it just a couple days too late :P < 1389756656 200215 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389756865 788835 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389756950 368460 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389757050 108323 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think kmc is severely influencing my thought patterns. I blame kmc for making me think of a language's culture as being as or more significant than what the language can do < 1389757097 496201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we shall have to ban him for this, then. < 1389757136 141555 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee, too bad he already left < 1389757158 347534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen kmc < 1389757168 719139 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014-01-14 02:16:30: now i want a knitting machine, knitting machines are the new 3D printers < 1389757197 183654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall assuming he just had a horrible knitting machine accident. < 1389757201 523338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*assume < 1389757201 934380 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, starting to think Kernel Lisp may be fatally flawed < 1389757208 134578 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to think a bit more about it though < 1389757243 887494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Sgeo for influencing him to think all languages are fatally flawed -----### < 1389757257 196627 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although really, what else would you expect from a language that thinks the identity function is the Devil? < 1389757263 168826 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :flaws are the spice of life. < 1389757267 458448 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, what? < 1389757283 287681 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm being a bit silly, but (unwrap id) == $quote < 1389757292 281439 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is silly < 1389757370 847638 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should write some code down to get my thoughts in order < 1389757511 124896 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i was going to think about languages i'd think about how it's interesting that common lisp and kernel have totally opposed design philosophies but are reasonably similar, but then i'd be thinking about nerd shit < 1389757540 96362 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're in #esoteric, home of nerd shit < 1389757559 126453 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1389757567 118348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hereby banning nerd shit < 1389757573 997218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :next persno to say nerd shit gets banned. you think I'm joking < 1389757582 321698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um by that I mean nerd shit, not "nerd shit" < 1389757587 216459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you and goodnight < 1389757588 806679 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought this was a channel for magic. Sorry. Have a good day < 1389757589 886346 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PART :#esoteric < 1389757642 669944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would leave, it's just... I'd have to reorganise all my irssi windows. < 1389757734 299867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I would leave, it's just... I'd have to reorganise all my irssi windows. < 1389757738 966783 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1160) I would leave, it's just... I'd have to reorganise all my irssi windows. < 1389757910 440242 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pokemon trading confuses me right now. < 1389757916 156247 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I traded a Rattata for a Scizor. < 1389758103 935528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying thing: when you google for the definition of a phrase, the first page is full of dictionary links, and not a _single_ one of them contains the actual definition in the quoted text. < 1389758182 387719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn bugle blast < 1389758185 890590 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "bugle" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1389758186 75854 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugle < 1389758187 512676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: a brass instrument without valves; used for military calls < 1389758189 517113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : and fanfares < 1389758191 480138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2: any of various low-growing annual or perennial evergreen < 1389758193 506035 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[5 @more lines] < 1389758195 515460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "blast" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1389758197 499552 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :blast < 1389758208 700051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1389758285 602690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it might not really be a combined phrase anyway < 1389759097 626389 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1389759107 553222 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1389759258 610697 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1389759347 316372 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389759361 438840 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex NICK :preflex < 1389759392 26848 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389759449 768448 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389759505 822612 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i just got an email from the wolfram people < 1389759521 859256 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they want to show me that my work can be done better using mathematica < 1389759542 141089 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389759584 710065 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i send them a short description of what i'm doing, the tools i'm using, and any relevant code, their experts will check if it can be done in an easier and more cost-effective way using their tools < 1389759623 411006 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awesome < 1389759661 260451 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389759710 795306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY! < 1389759731 735707 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i send them python code with decision properties for dynamical properties of cellular automata, maybe they'll add that stuff to mathematica? < 1389759736 997210 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be pretty neat < 1389759791 656145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think mathematica would be good for cellular automata < 1389759793 90542 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about the wolfram group < 1389759809 845132 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not really < 1389759820 69323 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't check if a CA is surjective or injective, for example < 1389759835 791279 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is like the most common operation < 1389759844 747723 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need < 1389759855 382898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well istr that's undecidable for >= 2d < 1389759868 447295 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, my supervisor proved that < 1389759891 849555 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, so about the wolfram group, they have this journal called journal of cellular automata < 1389759912 738436 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was started, i don't know, couple of decades ago < 1389759961 663287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1389759984 481201 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will continue soon :D < 1389760032 744101 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway, it used to be this okay journal < 1389760037 829681 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but last year < 1389760101 521443 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate proofs that seem like they're fake because they don't cover enough cases < 1389760102 977676 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :things are getting pretty wtf < 1389760105 667041 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.oldcitypublishing.com/JCA/JCAcontents/JCAv8n3-4contents.html < 1389760116 516570 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so umm < 1389760124 677497 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :4th entry < 1389760154 912776 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is about what the title says < 1389760192 389502 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's proved that xor solves parity if the tape is periodic with period 2^n < 1389760241 537751 :doesthiswork!~Adium@c-67-185-185-164.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I understand that right it sounds trivial < 1389760270 727431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 2 intToDigit 60 "" < 1389760272 72451 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "111100" < 1389760274 457007 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, the proof is as follows: if you start with a single 1, by well known properties of binary coefficients, after 2^n steps you get two 1s, 2^n apart. by linearity, if you have period 2^n, this eliminates the first one. < 1389760296 619407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that only uses 2 cells < 1389760303 197443 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1389760357 157779 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway it's ridiculous that a journal would publish that < 1389760412 466566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1389760489 669605 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the journal of cellular automata published something that is trivial to everyone who knows the basics of cellular automata, with a long obscure proof < 1389760525 902834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after 2^n-1 steps you get a row of 2^n 1's, iirc < 1389760528 922249 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(afaik, the author is a student of the editor, but that could be just a rumor.) < 1389760534 713536 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :er right < 1389760542 102122 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall the details, just that it's trivial < 1389760543 138964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i'd think is more relevant for computing parity < 1389760545 463121 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1389760557 581152 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two 1s made little sense < 1389760575 146523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly i should have published this years ago when i thought of the same thing :P < 1389760610 327524 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even close to publishable < 1389760619 352070 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadijfij < 1389760619 537136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i _am_ joking < 1389760621 300345 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1389760632 85184 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this just makes me so sad < 1389760663 930947 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean people from our community have articles in there < 1389760726 487287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, it'll balance out by making phantom_hoover happy hth < 1389760750 928101 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the thing that ais523 and I proved considered trivial to everyone who knows the basics of ... is it CA or something else? < 1389760756 320323 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it? < 1389760769 474716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto < 1389760779 707950 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that any bounded CA... I kind of forget < 1389760788 61520 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bounded CA = ? < 1389760797 977814 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, "periodic boundary condition"? < 1389760809 491807 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GoL or similar, on a torus or with an edge < 1389760834 758364 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually the theory works best on a torus < 1389760847 243081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing about having a garden of eden? < 1389760855 739572 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1389760859 5416 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it? < 1389760865 627350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc that was probably a bit too simple to be publishable < 1389760883 552648 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389760892 499852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i don't quite recall the prerequisites < 1389760904 901682 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well one trivial thing to anyone who knows the basics of set theory is that invertible = surjective = bijective, in this case < 1389760914 870814 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"01:12:23: basically, because of the hole you know that its immediate descendant has at least two possible parents" < 1389760941 457673 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:12:59: If the pattern results in a loop, then only one of those patterns is in the loop (I'm a bit shaky on that part) < 1389760941 744843 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the only thing that garden of eden suggested to me < 1389760953 215652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you know, not only must it be trivial, but wolfram himself must have seen it when calculating all those elementary automaton pictures. < 1389760963 655256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the thing in the journal) < 1389761000 816403 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389761110 619253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(back in the 80's or so) < 1389761171 507398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well garden of eden exists ~ not surjective < 1389761184 249941 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think he would turn in his grave, or car or whatever, if he saw that one (i doubt he's very much involved in it) < 1389761207 398251 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but if Sgeo and ais523 had proved that, i would be very surprised < 1389761212 231036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now i remember, "every pattern either is periodic or has a garden of eden ancestor" < 1389761216 878859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that it < 1389761264 485731 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a good observation, and it's the starting point of many a proof < 1389761272 831038 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds familiar, but you need a hole < 1389761280 953106 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a hole? < 1389761296 838807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you need some finiteness condition < 1389761298 817546 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean good observation about functions on sets, not really about CA < 1389761301 606664 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, wrong terminology, but a place where a cell can be either alive or dead without affecting the next generation < 1389761302 161738 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*finite sets < 1389761351 770979 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what you need that for, maybe i'm misunderstanding the result < 1389761365 967175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i think maybe we avoided the finiteness < 1389761400 873999 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure the statement involved being bounded, either on a torus or with edges < 1389761401 774514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by using "lightspeed" and comparing size of boundary to the whole set < 1389761431 326599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm probably mixing together several statements < 1389761455 955614 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, on the face of it, it should in particular be true for all surjective CA that all patterns are periodic < 1389761465 268386 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that sounds weird < 1389761495 839937 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389761497 768753 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1389761498 543417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think periodic may not have been part of the statement < 1389761513 788276 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :surjective CA are recurrent < 1389761545 953628 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any pattern of size n, after 2^n or so steps you will have found that same pattern in the same position < 1389761552 249862 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by basic measure theory) < 1389761579 220166 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but that's the only way i know for proving it) < 1389761627 131345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the theorem was on a bounded thing anyway < 1389761657 338570 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: um, that's blatantly untrue? CA: Every cell dies < 1389761675 187301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not surjective < 1389761679 829615 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1389761707 631773 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, a configuration is either in the limit set (and the CA is surjective on the limit set, and the result applies here too so it is recurrent) and thus has itself as an "ancestor", or it's not in the limit set, and for some n, every nth preimage is a garden of eden < 1389761725 821688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa surjectivity < 1389761743 571813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you accept the axiom of choice then (f .) is injective iff (. f) is surjective, and vice versa?? < 1389761759 825731 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what category? < 1389761774 709140 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the first one, you don't need AoC afaik < 1389761781 964268 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and err < 1389761801 943648 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389761815 39784 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the second one neither? < 1389761821 785724 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean in Set < 1389761825 606937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Too much math < 1389761836 419519 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389761836 978048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"vice versa" meaning (. f) is injective iff (f .) is surjective < 1389761837 330740 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it more the split epis and split monos that need AoC < 1389761848 944358 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what category? < 1389761851 952165 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in all? < 1389761852 779999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set < 1389761859 128863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :with choice < 1389761879 82116 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Set, (. f) is injective if and only if f is injective, no? < 1389761889 380067 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1389761891 10400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f .) is injective iff f is injective < 1389761896 609670 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1389761898 838461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(. f) is injective iff f is surjective < 1389761921 323132 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so you are asking if injective = surjective, in Set, if we assume AoC? < 1389761925 845740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1389761937 170607 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh < 1389761944 690607 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay now i see where the trouble is. < 1389761955 331903 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me think some secs < 1389762119 391589 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389762140 680133 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, it seems (. f) is surjective implies that f is injective without choice, and <= also without choice < 1389762152 563944 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm blerping somehow < 1389762193 198456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you don't need choice for that one. < 1389762226 182657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need it for (f .) is surjective iff (. f) is injective < 1389762239 941563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. (f .) is surjective iff f is surjective < 1389762262 339277 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, indeed < 1389762281 450 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does sound choicy for that < 1389762282 628676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in particular for the ← direction. < 1389762283 640755 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-for that < 1389762287 670880 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1389762403 813924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f .) is surjective means that f has a right inverse < 1389762495 825938 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1389762510 342462 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i mean by split epi < 1389762516 70987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1389762617 770953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure where the name "split" came from < 1389762622 356363 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea < 1389762656 639554 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are trying to publish a decision procedure for split epicness of CA :P (it's not the only result in the paper, but anyway) < 1389763014 51972 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let's say, for whether they are split epi onto their image, since it's actually trivial if you take the whole configuration space as both domain and codomain) < 1389767300 516091 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389767397 171970 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389767634 822860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan That's just it, the Belgian ones are supposed to be the bee's knees, and the owl's whatever-body-parts, &c. < 1389767635 45749 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1389767657 965147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Perhaps we were just eating them wrong. < 1389767658 150038 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1389767695 876212 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389767824 274360 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389767891 392280 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o...k.... the person who recruited me is now following me on Twitter < 1389768118 643407 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps here? < 1389768149 585273 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :recruiter: Sgeo sucks at playing the piano! < 1389768158 207727 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took a wild guess at your professoin < 1389768160 742930 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*profession < 1389768475 252054 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389768700 644373 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1389768757 189346 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 < 1389770608 303041 :stuntaneous_f!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:10:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1389770610 398452 :stuntaneous_f!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:10:: QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389770631 312020 :stuntaneous_f!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:10:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1389770633 659893 :stuntaneous_f!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:10:: QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389770853 374351 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:10:: QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1389770916 77024 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389771003 746164 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389771279 583416 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1389771295 411575 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1389772707 93823 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389772805 342121 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389775601 847054 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389775800 714945 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1389778457 738383 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389778786 964524 :doesthiswork!~Adium@c-67-185-185-164.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1389779890 4603 :Yonkie_!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389779896 905356 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389781535 500369 :mekeor!~user@a0483.ipv6.tum.vpn.lrz.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1389781708 669782 :atrapado!~dro@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1389782013 318399 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1389782603 366730 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389782706 899506 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389783053 857200 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389783913 836836 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389786354 177261 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1389786738 754290 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1389787355 933425 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@c211-30-196-14.artrmn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1389788727 85522 :atriq!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389789933 965177 :atriq!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 QUIT : < 1389790317 829625 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1389790931 738306 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.168.184 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389791396 933374 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389791397 253811 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389791550 389432 :mekeor!~user@a0483.ipv6.tum.vpn.lrz.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389791725 12646 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389792570 839650 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1389792702 855705 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good clear morning! < 1389792849 270969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good /clear afternoon, for all your "I can't stand to look at this channel" needs. < 1389793191 225931 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389793202 422719 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389793270 63698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I find /part more effective. < 1389793720 804484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess, but then you don't see if it gets better. < 1389795026 148568 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you need both, /part only erases the future. < 1389795352 264333 :mekeor!~user@2001:4ca0:2fff:3::6d JOIN :#esoteric < 1389795972 741303 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1389797125 392593 :mekeor!~user@2001:4ca0:2fff:3::6d QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389797126 85755 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389797286 348983 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389797372 448003 :mekeor!~user@2001:4ca0:2fff:3::6d JOIN :#esoteric < 1389797532 743401 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be an /obliterate command that erases the Universe. < 1389797617 573057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's a well-known fact that this channel is mostly about self-balancing unicycles: http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/11/onewheel-self-balancing-skateboard-test-drive-video/ < 1389797674 740726 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389798625 303327 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. doerksen < 1389798947 422574 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389798980 907170 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389799087 289948 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389799263 891462 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389799350 319856 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389799778 191406 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: many people seem to be satisfied with /suicide < 1389799807 698649 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :.oO( /wrists ) < 1389799875 81327 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: horrible, horrible pun. you should be ashamed! < 1389800446 291965 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should beware of the \ from horrible puns. < 1389800849 65852 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode \ < 1389800850 813556 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+005C REVERSE SOLIDUS] < 1389800919 373032 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389801394 674536 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode is humourless. you can't joke with unicode. unicode is the Law that Binds the Universe together. < 1389802429 174835 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ᐴ < 1389802430 850968 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1434 CANADIAN SYLLABICS POO] < 1389802456 283209 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 💩 < 1389802458 344577 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+D83D DUNNO] [U+DCA9 DUNNO] < 1389802483 424941 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems HackEgo's unidecode doesn't handle characters outside the BMP < 1389802518 893385 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a well known fact, due to the python2ness of the script. < 1389802588 893598 :augur!~augur@74.174.236.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389802643 715565 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's possible in javascript, it should be possible in python2 too < 1389802734 698458 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: it should, but it won't. python 2.7 is linked against unicode data 5.2.0, and 3.3 against 6.1.0. < 1389802753 120687 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :javascript isn't "linked" against anything < 1389802867 358545 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's defined if Javascript uses UCS-2 or UTF-16 < 1389802925 293391 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what that even means < 1389802982 274264 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, UCS-2 won't handle anything outside the BMP either < 1389803063 297189 :Man!~Freeme@46.21.152.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389803082 328931 :Man!~Freeme@46.21.152.251 NICK :Dick_in_diplomat < 1389803103 563320 :Dick_in_diplomat!~Freeme@46.21.152.251 PART :#esoteric < 1389803111 78174 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refer you to http://mauke.hopto.org/stuff/javascript/unicode.html?q=%F0%9F%92%A9 < 1389803364 214063 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern browsers will use UTF-16, naturally < 1389803440 724362 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A conforming implementation of this International standard shall interpret characters in conformance with the Unicode Standard, Version 3.0 or later and ISO/IEC 10646-1 with either UCS-2 or UTF-16 as the adopted encoding form, implementation level 3. If the adopted ISO/IEC 10646-1 subset is not otherwise specified, it is presumed to be the BMP subset, collection 300. If the adopted encoding form is not otherwise specified, it is presumed to be < 1389803447 12884 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UTF-16 encoding form." < 1389803460 735895 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that means that UCS-2 and UTF-16 are both valid, but UTF-16 is preferred < 1389804169 464230 :fdsakfhjdsjkfh!~Freeme@96.44.157.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389804174 419592 :fdsakfhjdsjkfh!~Freeme@96.44.157.124 NICK :Man < 1389804189 360878 :Man!~Freeme@96.44.157.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1389804362 909631 :augur_!~augur@74.174.236.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389804432 135553 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Man < 1389804435 176221 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07Man: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09irc.dal.net.) < 1389804449 844450 :Man!~Freeme@96.44.157.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1389804452 485210 :Man!~Freeme@96.44.157.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello buddy < 1389804463 585467 :Man!~Freeme@96.44.157.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time in this channel < 1389804545 908208 :augur!~augur@74.174.236.84 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389804592 67040 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is... well... it is a channel. we think. it has people in it, except for the bots, and those who don't clearly fit in these categories. < 1389804601 527548 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION <- cyborg < 1389804658 618512 :Man!~Freeme@96.44.157.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love esoteric things < 1389804706 283714 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1389804706 772261 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 151600Z 13006KT 15SM BKN033 OVC060 01/M03 A2988 RMK SC6SC2 SLP120 < 1389804774 486339 :augur_!~augur@74.174.236.84 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389804810 312820 :augur!~augur@74.174.236.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389804861 220683 :Man!~Freeme@96.44.157.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that esoteric thing? ;) < 1389804909 243382 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like weather < 1389804910 223248 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389804988 624339 :Man!~Freeme@96.44.157.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like some serial number of a software < 1389805031 989054 :mekeor!~user@2001:4ca0:2fff:3::6d QUIT :Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) < 1389805176 47556 :augur!~augur@74.174.236.84 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389805267 437156 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:3941:a825:14c3:5c24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389805802 459515 :Man!~Freeme@96.44.157.124 PART :#esoteric < 1389806047 947008 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:3941:a825:14c3:5c24 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1389806280 504589 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the easiest bit is this: 01/M03 is temperatures < 1389806289 753300 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(temperature and dew point) < 1389806310 906983 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389806318 853086 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned that googling "metar" btw. You can do that, too ;-) < 1389806333 93337 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar LOWI < 1389806334 534450 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 151650Z VRB01KT 9999 FEW015 SCT023 BKN100 03/00 Q1013 R08/19//68 NOSIG < 1389806375 669996 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, three layers of clouds. < 1389807623 682489 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389808266 608981 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389808721 958070 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ESSA < 1389808722 523357 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSA 151750Z 04008KT 9999 FEW021 SCT026 M07/M09 Q1018 R01L/710167 R08/710164 R01R/710180 NOSIG < 1389809110 117919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1389809110 744105 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 151750Z 04009KT 9999 SCT040 M12/M13 Q1020 NOSIG < 1389809416 557046 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389809524 443672 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389811114 475944 :Man!~Freeme@203.223.94.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389811159 954599 :Man!~Freeme@203.223.94.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1389811168 726496 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello again. < 1389811347 882169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389811720 526649 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello Man < 1389811723 169004 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manello < 1389811936 325565 :Man!~Freeme@203.223.94.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1389811983 962984 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that we properly explained it last time, but this is a channel for esoteric programming languages :) < 1389812267 32816 :Man!~Freeme@203.223.94.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is it? what is this needed for? < 1389812353 138254 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps http://esolangs.org can explain that a bit better than me. < 1389812366 311505 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man: they are needed for the need they are needed for. < 1389812423 316180 :Man!~Freeme@203.223.94.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it is a channel where people are used to esoteric things. < 1389812443 628988 :Man!~Freeme@203.223.94.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to talk I meant < 1389812615 312420 :Man!~Freeme@203.223.94.161 PART :#esoteric < 1389812675 483411 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. and for once we had a newcomer who didn't immediately scamper off, or is a misguided hispanophone... < 1389812760 699426 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, he scampered off and then came back. < 1389812783 427217 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the away she scampered again. < 1389812788 843065 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/e/en < 1389812858 48616 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :she? but they were calling themselves “Man”. < 1389812930 872153 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't imply much, though. < 1389814531 130697 :mekeor!~user@95-91-234-80-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1389814615 125847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389814635 966339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi #esoteric < 1389814644 167128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any of you have some interesting cyclic tag programs handy? < 1389814654 822565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, I'm interested in one for which it's unknown whether or not it halts < 1389816279 517750 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how hard is converting turing machines to cyclic tag? < 1389816302 327547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: it's been done, that's how they were proved TC < 1389816309 907519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the turing machine → tag machine part of the construction, though < 1389816376 409896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia has a tag machine that calculates the Collatz sequence < 1389816390 355545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is vaguely interesting, I guess < 1389816392 555575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bdfl9_-CQAAY3It.jpg:large < 1389816402 579737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, on-topic discussion, sorry < 1389816479 596518 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god. apparently this page lists 40-something 5-state 2-symbol turing machines whose halting is unknown, but http://skelet.ludost.net/bb/nreg.html < 1389816496 676528 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand it at all... < 1389816518 794538 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't understand what? < 1389816522 828781 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1389816525 876500 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the point that no one understands them < 1389816622 447058 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't understand the page. it lists a bunch of machines but doesn't say if they're "HNR" but gives a "HNR_count" for the whole list? maybe it's the "----" ones? < 1389816626 851061 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't say i recall how cyclic tag systems simulate turing machines < 1389816678 986610 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic idea of the naive constructions is prolly that you have a configuration of a tm as the word, and you keep moving the first thing to the end until you see the head and there you do a bit of rewriting while moving it to the end < 1389816704 996581 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is trivial except for the fact that cyclic tag systems are sort of restricted so you have to be really careful < 1389816753 730173 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's prolly more sophisticated ways (and possibly what i said doesn't work) < 1389816849 948656 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i guess a (5,2) machine might be potentially very long! (as a cyclic tag program) < 1389816917 350369 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a guy talking about some construction of his < 1389816941 989773 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaiu it was the currently "best" way to simulate turing machines with cyclic tag systems < 1389816994 615289 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example he needed it for this, since the old ways were too slow http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/11786986_13#page-1 < 1389817022 620142 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one part of his construction is to take a cyclic tag system and convert it to another kind of tag system < 1389817046 166919 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some sort of tag systems to another kind anyway < 1389817062 500292 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's asymptotically fast, but he converted something like a tag system that just copies bits from one end to another < 1389817069 440597 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was like 40Mb < 1389817511 306033 :DTSCode!~nchambers@2001:4870:a04e:2:88d5:a584:3915:6ca8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389817523 854184 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome DTSCode < 1389817526 545099 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13DTSCode: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07irc.dal.net.) < 1389818262 324860 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389818397 945603 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389818924 312835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: whoa,, new stripe ctf < 1389819695 668722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITYM "whoa, a third shirt opportunity" < 1389819807 462979 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, this is annoying, my voice is not liking me this week < 1389820377 317383 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: loss of voice? < 1389820403 35893 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION asks the Prophetic Cuttlefish... “will I be able to do XLS exports from OpenERP?” < 1389820404 533490 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~yi < 1389820404 780968 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your divination: "Articulating" to "Articulating" < 1389820415 440448 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go fungot yourself, you... < 1389820415 661653 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: where's the code? < 1389820436 955624 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: deeply munged across multiple undocumented, uncommented, unmaintained obscure modules. < 1389820437 140558 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i don't care about the output < 1389820451 849429 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: me neither, but the client does. < 1389820452 244728 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: at least he is a fnord it's a package and the other which gets called by the first person should just get a fair share of odd looks?) < 1389820474 392600 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot gets all the odd looks. and the even looks. < 1389820474 752272 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: incidentally, just having a first name can crash OE in interesting manners. < 1389820474 937487 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: it's made functionally thuogh if you're going for speed, either, due to a quality i have. i think it was < 1389820475 228416 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: mandatory to attain choir since i was supposed to give with it was between the pages of some net stores like verkkokauppa, but you'd have a heck of a time < 1389820503 872257 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: don't worry; you are going to have a heck of a time. < 1389820670 791543 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: the time is like heck. my brains are now devoid of nutrients, and feel like lime and coconut flavoured slush. the duck can't cover the extension. I will not sleep here tonight. Home also I cannot go. < 1389820701 274592 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A voice, sweetened and sustained, called to him from the sea.) < 1389820762 988758 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry, I don't read Joyce) < 1389820764 753825 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~yi < 1389820764 938839 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your divination: "Parting" to "Open" < 1389820787 497129 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: the only fragments I read come from the fortunes I installed on this machine. < 1389820823 347516 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha. I haven't seen any come across on my machine. But then, my fortunes are polluted with ponies. < 1389820842 958158 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no, too much singing < 1389820860 148610 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: I have dirty limericks with ponies :D < 1389820882 466009 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I'm not interested in Greek literature < 1389820908 529344 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: I read the Odyssey. it was good. < 1389820941 521275 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that with the cyclops whose eye is put out? I was a terrible student. < 1389820941 706055 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what kind of? < 1389820988 806609 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: it was with the cyclops, with the sirens, with Charybdis and Scylla, with gods and not-quite-gods... < 1389821019 871148 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's what I thought. < 1389821023 230935 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :~yi < 1389821023 584261 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your divination: "Coupling" to "Small Accumulating" < 1389821105 5377 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: a variety < 1389821141 123336 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: MELODIC MYTHOLOGIC CHICKEN < 1389821142 915141 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389822019 412822 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389822842 879094 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There’s a Finnish company literally named “SS ovens” http://www.kauppalehti.fi/yritykset/yritys/tmi+ss+uunit/15856725 < 1389822906 998539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ever-so-popular "KKK" shops also sometimes raise some eyebrows. < 1389822921 673321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think their logo these days only uses a single "K". < 1389822999 346527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's gone from https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQgS7oMY5Zm4QDiYkY9S7pNPCpVqJ10KenrYlxfwNWhq2M2SEjr6Q to oh god, I can't paste this, it's a data:image/jpeg;base64,... URL < 1389823016 941356 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1389823026 538323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s|oh.*|http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiedosto:K-supermarketin_logo.svg| < 1389823067 584094 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is it a data URI? A canvas element? < 1389823090 230610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Google image search thumbnail, after open-image-in-new-tab. < 1389823114 89446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's sometimes a gstatic.com link like the first one, and at other times a data:, presumably depending on size. < 1389823124 431417 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :K supermarket, does it have anything to do with KDE? < 1389823179 901983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Sadly, no. (The "K" comes from "Kesko", the company running all K-extras, K-markets, K-supermarkets and K-citymarkets. < 1389823200 713731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which used to be denoted "K", "KK", "KKK" and "KKKK".) < 1389823218 971159 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :KKKK, 4/3 times as racist as the KKK < 1389823333 760836 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Interesting < 1389823341 627528 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Google using data: like that, that is) < 1389823362 835911 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it’s not a canvas element for some reason < 1389823372 423450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you saying the ins and outs of Finnish grocery store chains are not interesting!? < 1389823466 742304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I inspect-element these things, they *all* seem to be . < 1389823506 741401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's the one I first linked to, that indeed is not. < 1389823548 312330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has some custom "data-src" and "data-sz" attributes too. < 1389823727 748606 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389824268 12570 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu NICK :Bike < 1389824726 979250 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I think more browsers support data: than canvas < 1389825068 102792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1389825176 204296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-food < 1389825176 389262 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 15h 59m 1s ago: That's just it, the Belgian ones are supposed to be the bee's knees, and the owl's whatever-body-parts, &c. < 1389825176 574074 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 15h 58m 38s ago: Perhaps we were just eating them wrong. < 1389825226 477689 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT : < 1389825362 591601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess we're using different definitions of program < 1389825403 487974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if yours take no input, then equivalent is just having the same result/output < 1389825421 619687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, exactly < 1389825436 423424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem being that you can't necessarily calculate that because they might not provably terminate < 1389825457 728580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but primitive recursive programs always terminate. < 1389825507 805740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: exactly < 1389825511 513244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why equivalence is decidable < 1389825524 249599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't trying to claim that this result was somehow interesting < 1389825600 132176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1389825827 700193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : not sure where the name "split" came from i have no idea <-- i have heard it in the case of module categories, where a split exact sequence is essentially an injection and an epimorphism that together split the middle module into a direct sum. < 1389825861 439746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's probably inherited from there. < 1389825941 690359 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1389825991 444014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_lemma < 1389826053 478870 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote split < 1389826053 664054 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :PenguinOfDoom says: Being enlightened gentlemen, we split all programming languages into two groups, sucks and doesn't-suck and put all of them into the first group. < 1389826060 486460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :these lemmas are always creatively named < 1389826062 527571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oklopol the name is probably from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_lemma < 1389826062 712440 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1389826066 948043 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote lemma < 1389826067 132957 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :slava says: Because top enterprise industry analysts recommend that managers need to focus on Agile methodologies, SOA, B2B and Yoneda's lemma in today's rich internet application-driven environment. Don't get left behind by the AJAX craze by missing out on call center outsourcing and Yoneda's lemma! < 1389826099 100324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially ones like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_lemma < 1389826108 63456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_lemma < 1389826119 868599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned recently that there are n^2 lemmas in general iirc < 1389826144 179766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, see the bottom of the page < 1389826229 918148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well the number of lemmas, at any given time, is finite < 1389826233 243505 :nchambers!~nchambers@69-84-207-62.biz.arrival.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389826236 1323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but presumably it increases frequently < 1389826247 342450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's unlikely to be a square number at any given moment in time < 1389826262 502000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, do you know what i'm trying to ask in https://plus.google.com/u/0/+ShachafBen-Kiki/posts/Bt4CxtttYxP < 1389826286 725907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i mean that there is a sequence of lemmas analogous to the nine lemma, but with n^2 items in the diagram. < 1389826294 815899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1389826444 337516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: to be fair, i don't recall learning the splitting lemma with a name originally. < 1389826450 336951 :DTSCode!~nchambers@2001:4870:a04e:2:88d5:a584:3915:6ca8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389826669 99482 :peapodamus!~nodepony@node130.20.251.72.1dial.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389826803 903892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can't think of anything nontrivial (e.g. distributive lattice) < 1389826864 28471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't quite see the sense in which RE = open fits better than RE = closed < 1389826904 906438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, my question about interesting cyclic tag programs < 1389826911 481505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was because I want an interesting example for my new esolang < 1389826978 221974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you mean that you think closed fits better or just that they both seem to make equal sense? < 1389827015 360457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :equal < 1389827040 471225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if we only allow finite unions and intersections then the definition is symmetric < 1389827049 952023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1389827054 344501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would work either way < 1389827063 39937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka distributive lattice < 1389827073 74635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my rough intuition is "open set ~ semidecidable predicate" < 1389827089 164367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general < 1389827101 892068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i bet i don't really know what this thing is like < 1389827109 751733 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389827321 863003 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389827495 91886 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389827524 622108 :conehead__!uid16140@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wrnfzoghrawnwihb JOIN :#esoteric < 1389827600 256753 :Yonkie_!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389827676 251680 :qlkzy_!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a JOIN :#esoteric < 1389827827 978167 :conehead_!uid16140@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xkerqlyujkawrjbk QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389827829 119439 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389827830 149156 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389827830 334120 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389827830 612490 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389827830 797432 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1389827831 459637 :nchambers!~nchambers@69-84-207-62.biz.arrival.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389827833 211918 :conehead__!uid16140@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wrnfzoghrawnwihb NICK :conehead_ < 1389827871 610119 :Sorella_!~queen@201.80.214.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389827907 759951 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1389827925 384224 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389827955 476785 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1389827986 131022 :Sorella_!~queen@201.80.214.167 NICK :Sorella < 1389828532 878598 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389829723 799865 :peapodamus2!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389829756 560016 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1389829771 624171 :peapodamus!~nodepony@node130.20.251.72.1dial.com QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1389829808 813901 :peapodamus2!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net NICK :peapodamus < 1389829859 899962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so every finite topology has a dual topology < 1389829863 530503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have a name? < 1389830282 669320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find none on browsing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finite_topological_space < 1389830403 45666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i imagine that you can do something like for any Alexandrov space, more generally < 1389830438 717896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :since every Alexandrov space corresponds to a preörder and every preörder has a dual < 1389830656 853258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1389830889 572218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has no name?? < 1389831680 90735 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389831767 433477 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1389831777 292635 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1389831903 105060 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389832353 893933 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389835814 273168 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1389836478 259926 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389836487 554011 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389836513 875860 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389836569 334066 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389836587 681177 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389836651 394546 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389838836 375492 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389839671 589033 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389840887 781132 :Sorella!~queen@201.80.214.167 QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1389841745 599324 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@135-23-50-28.cpe.pppoe.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1389842352 735566 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.168.184 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389844746 951781 :gdjfgh!t@odin.sdf-eu.org QUIT : < 1389844940 142442 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( ) < 1389844953 372250 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan : have you seen "Topology Via Logic" by Steven Vickers ? < 1389844965 405918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1389844975 917906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i recall. < 1389845025 170451 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It will either prove or disprove, or maybe neither." < 1389845030 680833 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/15/showbiz/justin-bieber-vandalism-probe/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 < 1389845127 74056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should about cover it, then < 1389845443 672955 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1389845453 721030 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1389845592 475449 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1389845667 987067 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389845675 325345 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex NICK :preflex < 1389846742 112864 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389846783 924328 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389847207 884718 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@135-23-50-28.cpe.pppoe.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389848126 422505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: is that the same Steve Vickers who works at my department? < 1389848140 566881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, it's weird seeing people casually namedrop my colleagues, /again/ < 1389848323 822993 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 : i don't know what department you're at, but it's the Vickers at < 1389848332 744874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: same one, then < 1389848334 688432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my department < 1389848647 594172 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe RE = open fits better because if you have a union of RE sets such that the turing machines giving them are enumerated by a turing machine, then the union is RE < 1389848685 939185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm good point < 1389848733 515277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf see oklopol in logs < 1389848733 737645 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1389848984 555261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, my Turing-completeness-without-player-action proof for Magic: the Gathering is almost complete < 1389849010 917319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any Magic fans (b_jonas?) here happen to know a way to cause an arbitrary creature to stop being a creature, while keeping its rules text around? < 1389849014 297408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's OK if it's silly < 1389849044 498611 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you discuss for example the full shift S^\Z for a finite set S (that is, the cantor space), you want to talk about open sets which are somehow computable, and closed sets which are somehow computable < 1389849055 532086 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you do is say you have an "RE open set" < 1389849079 42763 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that a turing machine outputs words w such that every word with central pattern w is in your set < 1389849087 230647 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have coRE closed sets < 1389849100 924019 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :by outputting words w such that no word with w in the center is in your set < 1389849206 463032 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know what percentage of humans would say that, but you certainly could say that < 1389849228 360223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think you can just turn it into a copy of a licid until end of turn, but that doesn't really work for what I want as then it gets enchant creature, which I don't want either < 1389849239 437301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the idea is that it needs to be able to survive infinitely many -1/-1 effects < 1389849360 987178 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O at Unexpected Results < 1389849650 532807 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can concede a game while Platinum Angel on the battlefield. A concession causes you to leave the game, which then causes you to lose the game (Once you concede, you no longer control a Platinum Angel, so its ability can't prevent you from losing the game)." < 1389849665 924627 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did there need to be a ruling on this? < 1389849678 326687 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, did someone concede then dispute the concession? < 1389849779 666412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: You're asking whether geeks did something ridiculously pedantic? < 1389849798 413954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I like oerjan's explanation for this < 1389849838 311344 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1389849844 894682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi quintopia < 1389849891 354340 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you want to review the language we discussed the other day before I post it to the wiki < 1389849898 554544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is that? < 1389849927 45209 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the empowered NOMW < 1389849951 880448 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's oerjan's explanation? < 1389849964 629326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: see the quit message < 1389849969 674088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(Quit: You're asking whether geeks did something ridiculously pedantic?)" < 1389849984 436067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: not sure I remember, what does NOMW stand for? < 1389849984 850655 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1389850008 621681 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :noit o' mnain worb < 1389850092 560635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ah right < 1389850101 172314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may as well just post it, and then I can look at it there < 1389850105 898893 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also are you working on refining the MTG TM? remove the requirement that a player has an option? < 1389850112 283203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yep < 1389850117 951175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to remove phasing altogether < 1389850124 900413 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1389850125 304204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :via inventing an esolang that maps more directly than a TM does < 1389850142 713954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I guess just giving these creatures all creature types would work < 1389850156 712103 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you give a creature all creature types? < 1389850167 411039 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :artificial evolution only changes the creature type right < 1389850175 931773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a mechanic in lorwyn block < 1389850187 913944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure at least one card granted it to arbitrary creatures < 1389850245 129199 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1389850250 840164 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a red pump spell < 1389850257 77057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually there's an entire cycle < 1389850260 494884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X of velis vel" < 1389850264 242563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checked gatherer < 1389850273 19527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also amoeboid changeling, which has it as a tap ability < 1389850273 204716 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1389850286 367695 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could only remember the red one, plus nameless inversion < 1389850289 539045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, not a cycle < 1389850295 309408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :red, white, and blue < 1389850298 276981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no green or black < 1389850325 99690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how bizarre < 1389850346 88621 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you clearly know mtg much better than me < 1389850351 72368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know how many creature types there are offhand? this construction needs like 200 < 1389850429 506212 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than that, surely? < 1389850434 567339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1389850718 452017 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1vc7ot/if_a_future_civilization_found_a_complete_set_of/ < 1389850780 40456 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can you design a magic deck such that with probability 1, no matter what the players do, a particular computation emerges < 1389850783 934078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the "what happens if you play Floral Spuzzem and you're using that Un-card that removes errata" has become something of an inside joke < 1389850788 376225 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they can just say "okay i give up"? < 1389850801 227964 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other than that, how likely is it that you can do that < 1389850803 144155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the current opinion is that the Floral Spuzzem gets a loss for slow ply < 1389850804 804014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*play < 1389850815 400327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: they could also not play any spells < 1389850821 484145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't any cards that force you to play them < 1389850830 491835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no could there be, reasonably, it'd be impossible to enforce < 1389850969 451519 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1389851055 247147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because nobody but the person holding them would know that they'd drawn them < 1389851069 963987 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are many card games with such rules though < 1389851090 355091 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels really wrong but works in practice < 1389851106 438226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Magic designers are really worried about that sort of cheating, for some reason < 1389851107 942380 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people are honest < 1389851120 141170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were worried even about designing cards that gave you a bonus if you played them immediately upon drawing them < 1389851136 103168 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1389851137 15164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or cards that let you look at a set of cards from your deck without changing their order < 1389851160 900334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of which are enforceable by the opponent, but only if they pay attention to how your hands are moving < 1389851177 304086 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1389851191 412716 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1389851215 96354 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, i need to do some linear algebra homework, invert matrices and stuff < 1389851244 992627 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks. < 1389851255 158416 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks huge ass < 1389851278 890590 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also yesterday my gf was watching and kept saying "why did you write 99 there btw?" < 1389851282 57905 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i had to explain < 1389851283 435137 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything < 1389851294 559687 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst part is she was always right and it was supposed to be something else < 1389851307 411883 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1389851329 105655 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i have much to teach these people < 1389851396 446995 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, "why did you write 99?" < 1389851399 501162 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, good quesiton < 1389851401 904084 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*question < 1389851413 548800 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :see what i did was realize that i am interested in the span of these vectors < 1389851426 109800 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i know that if i sum these vectors like this, then the span does not change, but < 1389851434 755309 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NO NO i mean 90 + 5 is 95, not 99" < 1389851473 857311 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2039#comic < 1389851513 95147 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1389851563 801775 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(she does know matrices though, i just lecture to everyone equally) < 1389851939 916283 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both Factor and Rebol look backwards sometimes, and forwards other times < 1389851951 639440 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure both prefix-only and postfix-only suck < 1389852228 830528 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Not_The_Main_Worb < 1389852238 832970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I like the name :-) < 1389852281 204686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that's a really good reason to have image-based source code < 1389852402 499436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's not Turing-complete unless you give it infinite memory somehow < 1389852413 167413 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i didn't say it was < 1389852425 241537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say by tiling the plane with it, with different tiled copies being taken to have different labels < 1389852442 3694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said you could construct TC families < 1389852489 105749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think that construction at the bottom proves it NP-hard to determine whether a stable state exists for any given NTMW program, though < 1389852495 263442 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which implies that one is allowed to generate circuits with a limited TM, yes? < 1389852512 662213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah but TCness doesn't work like that < 1389852532 463305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being able to produce arbitrary circuits is proof of NP difficulty, though < 1389852544 214234 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'll change it to LBA then. happy? < 1389852548 43776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's more interesting is whether that's PSPACE-complete < 1389852558 564128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no because it doesn't take input, that's part of the definition of LBA < 1389852581 644552 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we can define input size as "number of raw sources and sinks" < 1389852590 46846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a whole different set of complexities for things with finite memory, like that finite state machine < 1389852593 433637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's code size, not input size < 1389852609 917525 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they function as input to the circuit < 1389852625 257779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, no? < 1389852630 883105 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do i keep pinging you no one else is talking < 1389852645 401331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they act deterministically, there's no input being received from outside < 1389852652 79733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if there /were/, you still wouldn't have an LBA < 1389852663 231937 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no input being received from outside when a TM starts with its input on the tape also < 1389852664 209768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the amount of data storage you have is not proportional to the size of the input you've received < 1389852676 835088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing machines also aren't LBAs, though < 1389852693 621301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the LBA restrictions of Turing machines require you to implement a separate input mechanism < 1389852701 635558 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying your objection to calling parts of the code "input" is invalid < 1389852723 221463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying you can't arbitrarily define some lines of code (or pixels of code, in this case) to be input < 1389852727 487579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that makes no sense < 1389852737 849102 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1389852738 823616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :input isn't part of the code, by definition < 1389852761 107423 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't i draw a line across the image and say "everything on this line is input, everything else is code" < 1389852772 414742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, you could define a preprocessor that compiled input into circuitry, then you probably would have an LBA < 1389852773 652662 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" being able to produce arbitrary circuits is proof of NP difficulty, though" ? < 1389852795 494565 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the circuit is something different than i imagine < 1389852828 869534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: because if you can create an arbitrary circuit out of AND/OR/NOT/delay (even random delay), you can create a binary counter and a check circuit < 1389852831 818057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use it to solve 3SAT < 1389852836 121238 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even pick out a set of pixels and say "these particular pixels are not code. they are input." < 1389852869 584551 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but usually if you can make arbitrary evaluate-only circuits, you get P completeness (you get any computation, but it's deterministic), or if the circuit has loops, you get PSPACE-hardness (because you can run any computation in the polynomial space that the logspace transducer gave you in the form of the circuit) < 1389852875 625149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: because it doesn't make sense, for a particular program, for its data storage to be proportional in the size of the input, because the input has a fixed size < 1389852881 223959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being a specific set of pixels < 1389852883 609336 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so PSPACE-hard < 1389852891 806175 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can also check QSAT < 1389852897 284929 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that same algo < 1389852897 469802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: good, I was wondering if it was also PSPACE-hard < 1389852905 937398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but didn't know how to prove it < 1389852929 738769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: PSPACE-hardness is one of the highest computational classes an FSM can have, so I think the language is fulfilling its purpose pretty well < 1389852950 405633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up QSAT < 1389852952 334621 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah circuits don't get higher than that < 1389852955 173842 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: okay imagine that the circuit family definition expands in a particular way, so that every time you add one pixel of input, you add a fixed number of other pixels that serve that pixel's input? < 1389852968 664984 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo circuit < 1389852978 125600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: then it's an LBA, agreed < 1389852987 842127 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought we were talking about circuit families all along here and now i find out you were talking about one particular circuit < 1389852998 524610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1389853024 82908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the "input via preprocessor" idea I explained above < 1389853053 535024 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could call it that. or you could just call it "the definition of the circuit family" < 1389853140 494573 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, what if adding a pixel of input required adding a circuit proportional in size to the depth of the circuit you're adding to and increasing the depth by 1, so that the circuit size grows quadratically with input size? what is that? < 1389853188 652075 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mumbles something about logspace-uniform circuit families < 1389853200 792501 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck uniformity! :D < 1389853219 962364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, so it seems that the strongest known "P≠NP"-like result in the normal chain of complexity classes is "NL≠PSPACE" < 1389853223 899333 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been reading too much complexity theory lately < 1389853228 282799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's… not a very strong result < 1389853228 514541 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so should i just say it can "probably" allow the creation of PSPACE-complete circuit families? < 1389853240 704396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you can say that it's PSPACE-hard < 1389853252 875752 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1389853256 200270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I think it's trivially PSPACE-complete < 1389853276 46974 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok? < 1389853289 175351 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the thing is in the usual chain, there's only a "space steps" exponential jumps apart, and "time steps" exponential jumps apart. < 1389853290 257407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that oklopol proved it PSPACE-hard and it obviously doesn't take more than nondetrminstic polynomial space to simulate < 1389853293 424729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and NPSPACE = PSPACE < 1389853301 411186 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, we cannot compare space and time in a nontrivial way < 1389853314 730277 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1389853318 264497 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll put that then < 1389853323 385501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well PSPACE is know to be a subset of EXPTIME < 1389853342 180900 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, we have stronger separation results than just that an adding an exponential amount of space gives you new languages < 1389853361 585312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1389853365 925302 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and similarly for time < 1389853367 997877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very good at complexity theory < 1389853375 792279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I know the very basics, just not much more than that < 1389853401 373793 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i know more than the basics, but it's more of a hobby for me < 1389853414 898769 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I thought we at least had P != PSPACE < 1389853432 496805 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although we're probably gonna publish some gadget stuff soon) < 1389853435 96623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: not according to Wikipedia, apparently that's still an open problem < 1389853438 293045 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and definitely have P != EXPTIME, right? < 1389853440 505689 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: we don't have that < 1389853448 61777 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :P != EXPTIME because both are time classes < 1389853452 603038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you have P≠EXPTIME < 1389853456 441146 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, ok < 1389853471 502624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :P=PSPACE would be even more surprising than P=NP, of course < 1389853473 976046 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know how to prove Savitch's Theorem and...I know Dick Lipton's theorem about how the polynomial hierarchy collapses, but I don't recall the proof since it's been so long since I was in his class. < 1389853488 374306 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :P vs NP? no one knows because they are different types of classes. P vs PSPACE? no one knows because they are different types of classes. (except for trivial relations) < 1389853500 920494 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly for quantum stuff, but now there are no comparisons... < 1389853528 653865 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, randomness can be compared in nontrivial ways < 1389853537 989009 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you come up with fun ways to approximate sizes of sets) < 1389853570 300136 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There exists an oracle separation between BQP and BPP at least < 1389853577 643207 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is actually kinda surprising < 1389853596 536556 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah oracle separations exist for many things < 1389853673 929234 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know what BQP is < 1389853681 784110 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BPP except with a quantum computer < 1389853692 377333 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's coming up soon in my complexity theory bedtime stories book < 1389853703 580482 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, P_{CTC} (deterministic computations with closed timelike curves) = PSPACE < 1389853718 714262 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1389853726 23819 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that surprising < 1389853752 120352 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i guess that's basically what i said about circuits with self-loops < 1389853753 807954 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the very least, it's obvious that P_{CTC} contains NP < 1389853758 106678 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in a fancy disguise < 1389853767 763481 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389853802 507092 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so next < 1389853806 415860 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :find solutions to < 1389853816 21571 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :x+3y-2z+u=-2 < 1389853822 781570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :draughts is EXPTIME-complete? that's surprising < 1389853828 455930 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2x+7y+3z+4u=16 < 1389853840 701065 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-x-y+4z+15u=6 < 1389853856 695087 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'm not your CAS. invert your own damn matrices. < 1389853863 388097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that just linear programming? < 1389853880 542156 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, where's the fourth equation < 1389853886 382365 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a CAS? < 1389853889 587794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do it without matrices < 1389853894 128493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Computer Algebra System < 1389853898 639955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Maple or Mathematica < 1389853901 235434 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1389853923 468056 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE DOESN'T EVEN SPECIFY THE FIELD, HOW ARE THE STUDENTS SUPPOSED TO GUESS < 1389853936 402946 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: doing elimination of large systems by hand is annoying. so is taking determinants. so is taking inverses. so, no, use a CAS. < 1389853939 65857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that particular problem, I'd guess it's rational numbers < 1389853967 756637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that thing isn't large enough that I'd be annoyed at having to use elimination or substitution on it < 1389853969 107484 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: there's no fourth equation < 1389853973 771412 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's clearly the finite field of order 23 < 1389853976 160252 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why this is problem 6 already. < 1389854018 837378 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so your answer is supposed to be another equation? < 1389854042 883448 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"find solutions" probably means "give the solution set in a more explicit form" < 1389854050 967509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lead < 1389854051 152403 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1h 28m 37s ago: see oklopol in logs < 1389854062 525859 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just said something about RE vs open < 1389854070 246259 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good cas oughta be able to do that shit for ya < 1389854079 40406 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or matlab or whateverthefuck < 1389854099 297033 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :making people do matrix computation by hand is pointless and cruel. < 1389854150 431598 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the solution set should be a line right?????????????????????????????????? < 1389854195 293503 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the typical solution will be 1-dimensional, yes < 1389854213 467884 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea about this particular one yet < 1389854255 183769 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it cannot be unique, but it can be also two or three dimensional in theory < 1389854355 96010 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah true < 1389854377 177558 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those equations LOOK LIKE THEY ARE PROBABLY INDEPENDENT < 1389854388 224509 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1389854406 813481 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you reading this book oklopol < 1389854407 787295 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me that i didn't know until a few months ago that solving systems of polynomials is A Hard Problem < 1389854423 432836 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, i don't know, i'm an idiot probably < 1389854429 3278 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone asks you if a matrix is invertible, you can always safely say yes < 1389854435 598161 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1389854441 295721 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew a fun fact about that... < 1389854461 686858 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: is the zero matrix invertible??????????????????? < 1389854476 124946 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you will encounter that during your lifetime with 0 probability, even if you live forever. < 1389854485 492045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Right, so it's more complicated than "finite union", I guess. < 1389854488 495408 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you only look at real matrices < 1389854489 955358 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was like, if you have the set of matrices with normal random entries around zero, then the average matrix is singular and the singular matrices are measure zero < 1389854491 414969 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1389854519 314879 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you meant "if someone asks you if a randomly selected real matrix is invertible..." < 1389854520 370995 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it probably doesn't matter if they're normal < 1389854542 137327 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time you analyze a joke a frog dies, quintopia, and they are an important part of many ecosystems. < 1389854563 85283 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1389854581 206816 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that a joke?????? oklohelpol!!!! < 1389854589 574929 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1389854595 91195 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it was a joke < 1389854601 419052 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a reeeeally funny one < 1389854610 805147 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically what Bike said < 1389854672 16388 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke being that the singular matrices are generally measure zero, but you're still going to run into them because mathematicians don't sample uniformly, they look for the most pathological bullshit possible :p < 1389854688 511546 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, like the all zero matrix < 1389854697 664472 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do they come up with that stuff! < 1389854699 443600 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i was making that joke < 1389854700 619729 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bullshit matrix < 1389854711 157198 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :eaifheifhaiefh < 1389854720 454174 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fasdfsdfrefrewf < 1389854734 495930 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it seems i have yet to solve my equation < 1389855052 580534 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it's done < 1389855166 322974 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i got {(7,-1,3,0) + u(28,-9,1,1) | u \in \R\} as the set of solutions) < 1389855181 497856 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :plausible. < 1389856506 386045 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389857191 646886 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1389857726 792041 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw concatenativity, I want mixfix < 1389857814 984956 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 > 2 if [ "Math broke" print ] [ "Math didn't break" print ] < 1389857849 927666 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Words could take in both a past stack and a future stack < 1389857901 134512 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: without the print it would actually look nice < 1389857951 259643 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what's wrong with the print? But this should be valid too < 1389857963 609300 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 > 2 if [ "Math broke" ] [ "Math didn't break" ] print < 1389858002 495404 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... if print took a future argument instead, this would kind of not work < 1389858016 153006 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :print 1 > 2 if [ "Math broke" ] [ "Math didn't break" ] < 1389858038 711893 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :print might be satisfied by the result of 1 > 2, which I don't want < 1389858059 220573 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you myname < 1389858072 897368 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make booleans unprintable :p < 1389858080 19159 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs that anyways < 1389859435 730771 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use paratheses < 1389859446 871115 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :print (1 > 2 if ["Math broke"] ["Math didn't break"] < 1389859448 646739 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1389859481 715203 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where stuff in parantheses are treated as regular arguments in any other language < 1389859493 659986 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can write 5 6 + (concatenativ/stackish) < 1389859507 216149 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or + (5 6) or possibly even + (5) (6) < 1389859560 328658 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e you delay the function and evaluate the stack of the expression in the parantheses first < 1389859563 485241 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then run the function < 1389859669 169209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, any ideas? I have this gstreamer command line that used to work; it involves a multifilesink location='frame%08 err, never mind, I see the problem. < 1389859734 436809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Was supposed to be frame%08d.jpg but had written frame%08.jpg instead -- it generated the files "frame (nil)g", "frame 0x1g", "frame 0x2g", and so on.) < 1389860232 707049 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389860389 665045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"giblib warning: couldn't load font yudit/12, attempting to fall back to fixed. giblib warning: failed to even load fixed! Attempting to find any font. feh ERROR: Couldn't load font to draw a message" huh < 1389860405 363743 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389861238 198862 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, i just realized that the Karma page on the wiki still says it is not known whether it is Turing-complete < 1389861290 324898 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does it actually say 'feh' < 1389861292 410965 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I just found a file on my computer from March 2009 that contains an implementation of BCT in Karma < 1389861300 119352 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably post that < 1389861893 708778 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389862664 670926 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol : sounds ok < 1389862712 570500 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the RE and coRE stufF) < 1389862725 203735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: Hmm, did you see the question I asked earlier about that? < 1389862799 788161 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, %08.jpg < 1389862809 505419 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: feh is a program < 1389862841 11298 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :% = start of format specifier < 1389862862 496663 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 = set the zero flag < 1389862874 766671 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 = set minimum field width to 8 < 1389862886 336282 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :. = equivalent to .0, i.e. set precision to 0 < 1389862921 500577 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :j = length modifier (the following format refers to an intmax_t/uintmax_t) < 1389862934 396578 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :p = void * pointer < 1389862950 857353 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a marvellous world of printf specifiers. < 1389862995 627547 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure 0, .0, and j are invalid/undefined with p < 1389863030 534741 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :and passing an int where a void * is expected is also undefined behavior < 1389863052 476290 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what you end up with is integers printed as memory addresses as if by %8p < 1389863072 249280 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and the g is just a g < 1389863199 126428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes. < 1389863243 445183 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1389863336 244977 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389863424 699666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: Is if (argv[0] && argv[0][0]) { Prog = argv[0]; } a standard idiom for you? < 1389863464 127762 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1389863469 944674 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1389863600 68526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. Does that exist anywhere else? < 1389863630 107582 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1389865495 658927 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: i mainly meant that i've more often seen arithmetical hierarchy terminology used for this stuff < 1389865526 387157 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like \Pi^0_1 instead of coRE < 1389865554 398484 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that there's a difference in meaning) < 1389865695 915185 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf : no < 1389865900 305057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was https://plus.google.com/+ShachafBen-Kiki/posts/Bt4CxtttYxP < 1389865912 675825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how much of that was brought up in the discussion here. < 1389866143 755 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf : perhaps you could repeat the question ? < 1389866146 883506 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( re "split", ) < 1389866164 608140 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone point me at a language that we don't know if it's TC or not < 1389866207 144846 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a retract situation consists of one morphism `s : A -> B' and one morphism `r : B -> A', satisfying `r . s = id_A' < 1389866228 911114 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`r' is said to be a retraction (of `s'), and `s' is said to be a section (of `r') < 1389866232 694059 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: r': not found < 1389866262 53664 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we define `i = s . r', then `i . i = s . r . s . r = s . id_A . r = s . r = i', so `i' is then an idempotent < 1389866304 54857 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in a retract situation, `r' is also known as a "split epi(morphism)/epic" and `s' as a "split mono(morphism)") < 1389866361 611826 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :given any idempotent `i', if we can find `r' and `s' such that `r . s = id' (a retract situation), and `s . r = i', then `i' is called a split idempotent, we say that `i' splits < 1389866371 959547 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf : perhaps that helps ? < 1389866479 639770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's yet another thing that's called "split", not the epi or the mono but their composition (in the other direction) < 1389866502 153510 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :split splat splut < 1389866510 567057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe it's being used as an adjective. < 1389866540 680712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The epi and mono are "split" from the idempotent. < 1389866545 248252 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1389866556 328144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1389866566 71033 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's as far as i understand it) < 1389866570 581794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the question in a rough form is in the Google+ post above. < 1389866607 317472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will probably delete the post later, as I do. < 1389866623 807930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone commented so I'd feel a bit bad deleting it. :-( < 1389866784 614356 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf : did you see Martín Escardó's "Synthetic topology of data types and classical spaces" in 2004-11 at ? < 1389866841 466569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1389866927 85732 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Semidecidable property ≈ open set" is mentioned in chapter 1 < 1389866965 86970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well, I've heard that analogy before, sure. < 1389867058 966473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that exactly what I'm trying to get at here? < 1389867188 355461 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Given a family `p_i(x)' of properties, in order to observe that the disjunction `\/_i p_i(x)' holds it suffices to observe that one of the disjuncts `p_i(x)' holds. Hence arbitrary disjunctions of observable properties are observable. ..(some qualifications to that).." < 1389867236 346795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, everyone: http://esolangs.org/wiki/StackFlow < 1389867246 64559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad for 2 and a bit days' work :-) < 1389867263 67636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qualifications described in a later chapter in that PDF, I guess. < 1389867282 133495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for the link, I'll probably read it tomorrow or something. < 1389867316 501620 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is "sufficiently large that the language remains Turing complete"? doesn't that need to be unbounded? < 1389867338 830870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no, it just needs to be large enough to implement at least one interpreter for a Turing complete language < 1389867379 906287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have one that uses 5 stacks, 20 symbols, 41 rules < 1389867393 671890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program it interprets is input using the initial contents of the stack, which interpreters can't put bounds on < 1389867406 571214 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1389867412 874683 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I love the markdown < 1389867433 775124 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a program implements a cyclic tag system in StackFlow." < 1389867436 814992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1389867447 992676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, right < 1389867449 495192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me fix that < 1389867457 284698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, it's untested because I don't have an interp yet < 1389867507 926312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, is StackFlow the first esolang designed for literate programming? it may be < 1389867513 253994 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1389867522 935778 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does look kind of cool < 1389867561 978735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I'm not sure what made me think of Markdown-based syntax, but when I did, the opportunity was too good to pass up < 1389868084 936785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Neat. < 1389868105 409044 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The StackFlow page.) < 1389868121 950926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to sleep, should have gone 2 hours ago < 1389868179 404100 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389869446 365639 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389869464 752150 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(About Time Walk) < 1389869466 678799 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Combos well with a deck." < 1389869504 207410 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Client Quit < 1389870179 95421 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389871013 761458 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.168.184 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389873398 826815 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389873521 434742 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389873847 295165 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1389873851 926751 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1389873864 47020 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1389873873 335495 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1389873934 703932 :qlkzy_!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a NICK :qlkzy < 1389874219 616952 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Mergesort, does it particularly matter how you divide the list? < 1389874282 310570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no, although particularly stupid divisions (like always dividing into 1 element, and the rest) hurt the computational class < 1389874299 466800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*computational complexity < 1389874330 686114 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so just alternating elements is fine? < 1389874374 924810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1389874400 257677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good way to think about it is this: if a sort algorithm cares what order the list was in originally, it's probably broken < 1389874400 442634 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet < 1389874444 679943 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Haskell function called "notQuickSort", which, true to its name, is not quicksort < 1389874502 899080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of functions that aren't quicksort < 1389874509 744576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I wouldn't call a (comparison-)sort function that's O(n log n) worst-case but O(n) best-case for an already-sorted list "broken". < 1389874529 144560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's O(n²) worst case < 1389874534 797093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1389874541 586895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't call that "caring", in that case < 1389874560 386530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the sense of the output being different < 1389874576 869307 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I was aiming to write Quicksort, but I wasn't including the pivot except in the singleton list case < 1389874585 901388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1389874592 184989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the pivots just disappear? < 1389874693 307828 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it was me being stupid. It's fixed now, though < 1389875523 384551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1389876750 324887 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389876954 357305 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1389877128 782135 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389877139 352820 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389878071 714950 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1389878192 637269 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389878930 132727 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1389880681 412737 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1389881613 55571 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a php puzzle: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/291607?tx=on < 1389883135 445761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"virtual bool aku::PhnReader::next_frame(): Assertion `m_current_frame >= m_cur_phn.start' failed." < 1389883144 456631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helpful. < 1389883374 596731 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: aku PhnReader'nglui Cthulhu fhtagn? < 1389883374 829376 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: m-- m-1 doesn't work? < 1389883395 56440 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no it doesn't, the m_cur_phn.start fails the assertion. < 1389883395 241409 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: how big was the code < 1389883398 539767 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: big. < 1389883398 734783 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and sorry, no :) or :(? it would be < 1389883441 827944 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-56.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389883446 627294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be big, yes. < 1389883448 81351 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-56.dataart.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389883450 388986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's not all that big.) < 1389883467 483018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it doesn't like a gap in this file, is all. < 1389884079 890740 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.168.184 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389884090 86899 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389884502 84996 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389884784 662917 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389884823 325711 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389885317 779279 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389885334 974662 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389885504 143973 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389885867 201966 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you should fix the code < 1389885867 425619 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i believe. < 1389885876 145033 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: stop being creepy < 1389885876 389217 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: give the short example, or a file:// url which refers to my pseudofilesystem. < 1389885885 664314 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1389885922 888589 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly sure fungot is sentinent < 1389885923 202908 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: so cl and elisp have it, but i discovered that the library system is intended to provide a way to make < 1389885942 612723 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, lisp is popular in AI research < 1389886344 484755 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pseudofilesystem? < 1389886355 715378 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it is a well known fact that fungot is sentient. blame fizzie. < 1389886355 900698 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: in soviet russia, crow scares you!! < 1389886361 912536 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: see ↑ < 1389886376 143556 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1389886411 802755 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: in regular #esoteric, you scare me < 1389886412 335302 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: and it was for computer science, and forcer isn't just going to ask you earlier. i mean even if he explains lots of dynamic libraries :) you already call two internal lambdas, just make your cffi and use mpi... < 1389886541 53734 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389889073 147720 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389889234 374842 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389889304 346031 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389889383 753787 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389889700 200638 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389889774 153003 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389890115 202701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What, exactly, do you believe? < 1389890115 441559 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the compiler is happy, " as well" you only need one! :) < 1389890528 962913 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives fungot a loch ness plushie < 1389890529 148238 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well as i can't use a serialiser while it's already in use) < 1389890630 379510 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you serializing, fungot? < 1389890630 704590 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: i'd like to have the thread stay alive and accept future messages, i get pretty fnord < 1389890685 244221 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty fnords. heh ^^ < 1389891166 295284 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.52.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389891171 209139 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.52.22 QUIT :Changing host < 1389891171 394154 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389891237 704284 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello Phantom_Hoover < 1389891240 593904 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Helloover < 1389891259 20986 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive < 1389891265 454226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste bin/ello < 1389891269 95620 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/ello < 1389891620 425473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words < 1389891625 396457 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :rheiro < 1389891630 65570 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ello `words 10` < 1389891634 641009 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ferello < 1389891641 297503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ello "`words 10`" < 1389891645 254749 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :tesheaf gaya reprovemon egellorguer kalm gester dire warpe ostv fedeipenne < 1389891686 953313 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like "tesheaf" should produce "teshellaf" < 1389891751 700296 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see the issue. It's operating on the list all at once < 1389891802 655523 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for word in $(words 10); do ello $word; done < 1389891812 815667 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :holtykkellabellon \ appomellorstag \ fimello \ gaffenello \ albrevello \ lebranello \ wasschedello \ clepellosit \ damello \ acarello < 1389891844 601664 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello Ngevd < 1389891847 59273 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevdello < 1389891851 807901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: It can get pretty fnord if you're trying to serialize a thread, yes. < 1389891852 20756 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: am almost done downloading it. ( which i don't use it any more < 1389891891 301769 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: then why are you downloading it? < 1389891891 693563 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: it's _not_ a useful observation if the means of a lambda would mean having a regular expression srfi defined actual regular expressions, do it well < 1389892929 780098 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any esoteric templating/markup languages? < 1389892950 107877 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, ones that translate to HTML? < 1389893162 764638 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: downloading srfis, eh+ < 1389893162 989726 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: actually i think it's just so that i don't < 1389893174 543862 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oh, okay, not downloading SRFIs then < 1389893174 913632 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yay. i will correct this anyway, it should only work on a ppc, then? lists? < 1389893201 346274 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure you're talking about srfi-1, fungot < 1389893201 531174 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: just that when i tried < 1389893240 487593 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --help < 1389893242 365244 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: words [-dhNo] [DATASETS...] [NUMBER_OF_WORDS] \ \ options: \ -l, --list list valid datasets \ -d, --debug debugging output \ -N, --dont-normalize don't normalize frequencies when combining \ multiple Markov models; this has the effect \ of making larger dataset < 1389893261 915049 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words -l | xargs < 1389893264 689796 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :valid datasets: --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --french --german --hebrew --russian --spanish --irish --german-medical --bulgarian --catalan --swedish --brazilian --canadian-english-insane --manx --italian --ogerman --portuguese --polish --gaelic --finnish --norwegian --esolangs default: --eng-1M < 1389893284 355500 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --german-medical 10 | xargs -n 1 ello < 1389893291 954557 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :beridiertellome \ akzellon \ gregelseptellom \ pertemototelloniumcin \ retrinmesierello \ silandsello \ lungseinfallello \ pellonsen \ helllyopiege \ krebello < 1389893296 446052 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse, I haven't heard of any. Not sure how you could go about creating an interesting one either. Interesting idea though. < 1389893972 497873 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1389894165 243211 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION switches to #esoteric < 1389894169 761206 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEAPODAMUS IS IN THE HOUSE < 1389894171 716875 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :┏(-_-)┛┗(-_-)┓┗(-_-)┛┏(-_-)┓ < 1389894203 571737 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol dead channel < 1389894208 559411 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION switches to #Windows95 < 1389894214 609542 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEAPODAMUS IS LEAVING THE HOUSE < 1389894215 598485 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :┏(-_-)┛┗(-_-)┓┗(-_-)┛┏(-_-)┓ < 1389894218 623163 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o_ _o/ \o/ < 1389894218 914614 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |   |   | < 1389894219 100006 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 >\  >\  >\ < 1389894250 763673 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo < 1389894252 151466 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :party on < 1389894258 328499 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :party on mothafucka party on < 1389894258 881205 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wo < 1389894259 415913 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wo < 1389894259 857722 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wo < 1389894260 42668 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :The party is now on. < 1389894261 427403 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :party on < 1389894262 92330 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on < 1389894263 707511 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo < 1389894301 442929 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : O O < 1389894314 499685 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the ocular pattern for myndzi? < 1389894332 189061 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : O.O < 1389894335 739794 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or firework, or whatever that flowery thing is supposed to be) < 1389894337 440746 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :O | O < 1389894343 882098 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389894348 553724 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\/ < 1389894375 944915 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F440 (f0 9f 91 80): EYES [👀] < 1389894380 620577 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~party < 1389894381 104199 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi < 1389894391 998804 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`party < 1389894393 668136 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: party: not found < 1389894398 173927 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`celebrate < 1389894400 938002 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: celebrate: not found < 1389894485 797712 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wl lala < 1389894488 526711 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get NOTHING! You LOSE! Good DAY sir! < 1389894498 891198 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. Win/Lose < 1389894532 948111 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot256 secret < 1389894534 639626 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :secret < 1389894545 679273 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot0 secret < 1389894547 318040 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: rot0: not found < 1389894592 380137 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat `type -p fsck` < 1389894596 308538 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: `type -p fsck`: No such file or directory < 1389894647 410561 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ln -s /usr/bin/cat /hackego/bin/rot0 < 1389894649 871561 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ln --help' for more information. < 1389894653 484614 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s /usr/bin/cat /hackego/bin/rot0 < 1389894655 348220 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: creating symbolic link `/hackego/bin/rot0': No such file or directory < 1389894664 284426 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s /hackego/bin/rot0 /usr/bin/cat < 1389894665 944909 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: creating symbolic link `/usr/bin/cat': Read-only file system < 1389894670 983827 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat `type -p fsck` < 1389894673 779362 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cksum /dev/urandom < 1389894710 978198 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :methinks that will not terminate < 1389894717 450330 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fsck < 1389894732 959672 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln operand order is like cp < 1389894742 439995 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric : o.o < 1389894749 229886 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, not that either < 1389894752 181578 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l /hackego/bin/rot256 < 1389894778 157568 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :!celebrate < 1389894780 778762 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389894784 179130 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1389894786 312179 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /hackego/bin/rot256: No such file or directory < 1389894797 195897 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l `type -p rot256` < 1389894799 318380 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 9 Sep 25 13:06 /hackenv/bin/rot256 -> /bin/echo < 1389894813 243639 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1389894813 465592 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/ < 1389894813 988577 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | c.c.c |  ¯|¯⌠ `\o/´69   | c.c.c |   `\o/´69  ¯|¯⌠ | c.c.c | < 1389894814 173592 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/|  c.c  |\ /< |   |    /<  c.c  >\    |     |\|/<  c.c /| < 1389894814 533960 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                  /´¯|_)              /´\ < 1389894814 719445 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                (_|                 (_| |_) < 1389894816 611661 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go < 1389894819 218560 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: tsk, you had the wrong directory. < 1389894820 721089 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c! < 1389894829 479644 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks FireFly. < 1389894862 852996 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wl < 1389894865 501394 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get NOTHING! You LOSE! Good DAY sir! < 1389894874 158719 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1389894927 661332 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is hackenv/bin not in PATH? < 1389894948 879303 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be < 1389894955 493812 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird < 1389894958 483256 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $PATH < 1389894960 440137 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin < 1389894968 209043 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have rot0 in there but HackEgo errors when I try to run it < 1389894972 40684 :monotone_!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1389894978 58874 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wl en de hippopotamus < 1389894980 924028 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flusspferd < 1389894981 225871 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rot0 /dev/urandom < 1389894983 117088 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: rot0: command not found < 1389894990 750197 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /hackenv/bin/rot0 /dev/urandom < 1389894992 28220 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l bin/rot0 < 1389894992 481543 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: /hackenv/bin/rot0: No such file or directory < 1389894994 301106 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 12 Jan 16 17:54 bin/rot0 -> /usr/bin/cat < 1389894996 353689 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389894998 794016 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1389894999 814533 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which cat < 1389895001 809032 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/cat < 1389895015 252258 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid error messages < 1389895056 247014 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Made it echo rather than cat anyway < 1389895060 28934 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot0 Meow < 1389895062 708908 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meow < 1389895103 59465 :monotone_!~monotone@room208.org NICK :polytone < 1389895108 23309 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wl en de Xenos < 1389895122 124925 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/wl", line 52, in \ q = query(continue_id) \ File "/hackenv/bin/wl", line 44, in query \ response = urllib2.urlopen(url).read() \ File "/opt/python27/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 126, in urlopen \ return _opener.open(url, data, timeout) \ File "/opt/python27/lib/ < 1389895133 589298 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay erros < 1389895169 228440 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wl en de Xenos < 1389895172 342807 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hovercraft is full of eels. < 1389895180 49221 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. < 1389895189 817532 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was meant to do that.) < 1389895190 825781 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was hu→en < 1389895197 458130 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/wl is a fun read < 1389895254 430222 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: you have to find any wikipedia page with empty 'languages' block. < 1389895383 884969 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1389895410 452750 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wl sv en Pero micca < 1389895413 219348 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get NOTHING! You LOSE! Good DAY sir! < 1389895435 724201 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wl sv en "Pero micca" < 1389895436 94741 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wl sv en "Pero micca" < 1389895436 279575 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1389895438 152301 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get NOTHING! You LOSE! Good DAY sir! < 1389895439 172839 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/wl", line 52, in \ q = query(continue_id) \ File "/hackenv/bin/wl", line 44, in query \ response = urllib2.urlopen(url).read() \ File "/opt/python27/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 126, in urlopen \ return _opener.open(url, data, timeout) \ File "/opt/python27/lib/ < 1389895455 242705 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`````````````````````````````````````````````````` < 1389895456 803224 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `````````````````````````````````````````````````: not found < 1389895472 774993 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thankjames < 1389895473 592716 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/` < 1389895474 314364 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, James. Thames. < 1389895475 260690 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec bash -c "$1" < 1389895540 455688 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 123 < 1389895543 992201 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :123 < 1389895578 405391 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $PATH < 1389895580 706124 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin < 1389895688 963073 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`env PATH < 1389895691 784105 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :env: PATH: No such file or directory < 1389895700 245841 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you have to grep it < 1389895706 491825 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, it takes a command to run < 1389895756 651571 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: huh? a special `thank case? < 1389895875 791137 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e'$,=",";print @ARGV,"\n"' $PATH < 1389895877 490730 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scalar found where operator expected at -e line 1, near "'$,=",";print @ARGV,"\n"' $PATH" \ (Missing operator before $PATH?) \ syntax error at -e line 1, next char $ \ Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors. < 1389895880 443621 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`̀thanks thanks < 1389895882 413539 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ̀thanks: not found < 1389895900 374207 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e'$,=",";print @ARGV,"\n"' $PATH < 1389895902 47723 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin, < 1389896006 665858 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Apparently, though I have no idea why. < 1389896022 810335 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat $(type -p thankjames) < 1389896024 395380 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks James < 1389896073 652142 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo ${PATH//:/ } < 1389896076 387197 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin /opt/python27/bin /opt/ghc/bin /usr/bin /bin < 1389896168 212741 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389896184 657050 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which run < 1389896186 651491 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389896203 250241 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run which `run < 1389896205 55324 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1389896214 321646 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which run < 1389896216 527428 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389896220 30440 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run which run < 1389896222 43388 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389896224 360340 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1389896233 302378 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wobbles < 1389896243 251973 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bounces < 1389896278 109084 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run than run! < 1389896280 971866 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that* < 1389896281 903093 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: than: command not found < 1389896438 239014 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`info < 1389896440 191375 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :info: Writing node (dir)Top... \ File: dir, Node: Top This is the top of the INFO tree \ \ This (the Directory node) gives a menu of major topics. \ Typing "q" exits, "?" lists all Info commands, "d" returns here, \ "h" gives a primer for first-timers, \ "mEmacs" visits the Emacs manual, etc. \ \ In Emacs, you can click mouse bu < 1389896493 624965 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $IRC_SOCK < 1389896496 641859 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389896651 145651 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`man ls < 1389896654 925160 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :man: can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config < 1389896666 266139 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`vi < 1389896701 81257 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it didn't like that < 1389896704 421432 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vim: Warning: Output is not to a terminal \ [?25h[?8c[?25h[?0c[?25l[?1c~ ~ ~ < 1389896706 641153 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /hackenv/share/maze.c < 1389896708 664095 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :main() { asm("xor %edi, %edi\n" "inc %edi\n" "mov %rsp, %rsi\n" "go: movl $0xb195e2, (%rsi)\n" "rdtsc\n" "and $1, %al\n" "add %al, 2(%rsi)\n" "mov %edi, %eax\n" "xor %edx, %edx\n" "mov $3, %dl\n" "syscall\n" "jmp go"); } < 1389896712 909565 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(huh?!) < 1389896728 721850 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackenv is cwd I'm fairly sure < 1389896742 134484 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pwd < 1389896777 717816 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run pwd < 1389896792 348597 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor thing < 1389896796 924027 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. it is stuck. < 1389896805 391585 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION unsticks HackEgo with his trusty mapole < 1389896829 361606 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389896851 927214 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389896877 376624 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389896910 297020 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389896910 788805 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389896941 865778 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1389896961 160526 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1389897022 895066 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good boy < 1389897059 801345 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good mapole < 1389897481 430248 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1389897481 963905 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 161800Z 21006KT 15SM FEW030 FEW120 M01/M08 A2996 RMK CU1AC2 CU TR SLP147 < 1389897536 147950 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/tg/image/1336/15/1336155252526.jpg < 1389897581 937703 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1389897585 332295 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1389897604 275358 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh look, here's Urist! < 1389897694 443056 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1389898261 215968 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go back to dorf fortress < 1389898263 972006 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been a while < 1389898286 450669 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanea < 1389898293 902491 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanea plays Minecrafs, Dware Fortresr, and lives in Hexhal. < 1389898351 66596 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*playr, anc liver im? < 1389898374 307682 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i s/Hexhal/Yorj/ wisdom/tanea < 1389898377 784113 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389898423 27588 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's create a new world! < 1389898437 838571 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fuck huge world < 1389899045 906971 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and call it Yorj! < 1389899072 603617 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I like the sound of “Yorj”. /jɔʁʒ/) < 1389899146 2540 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh this looks like a great place to build a fortress!" < 1389899149 978143 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*snow everywhere* < 1389899150 948237 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooo < 1389899442 439566 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval "With an updated cabal..." < 1389899443 152698 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With an updated cabal..." < 1389899624 460079 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389899906 328040 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389899932 305951 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389899955 15370 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389900213 372728 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389900370 46097 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389900843 403932 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Minecrafs", is there a point to that typo? < 1389900861 943664 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? .doorstop < 1389900864 782749 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do not have the clearance necessary to view this entry. < 1389901332 243083 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389901659 322833 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1389901844 564384 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389901928 702785 :nchambers!~nchambers@2001:4870:a04e:2:cd1:5ca6:7d6f:a389 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389902199 988305 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389902271 122971 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes < 1389902285 475610 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same point as with the other typns in that line < 1389902292 888556 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389902717 894247 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389902738 792111 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1389903001 292720 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :typns typns typns typns typns... ♪ < 1389903006 233014 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1389903628 182934 :nchambers!~nchambers@2001:4870:a04e:2:cd1:5ca6:7d6f:a389 NICK :DTSCode < 1389904242 157416 :DTSCode!~nchambers@2001:4870:a04e:2:cd1:5ca6:7d6f:a389 NICK :DTSCode-Work < 1389904535 777700 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I can't help but read that as a Patapon chant < 1389904545 292338 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck patapon < 1389904545 642477 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patapon is a video game published for the PlayStation Portable handheld game console combining gameplay features of a rhythm game and a god game. < 1389904579 121368 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do chants to spur your little force of warriors on in battle, or to give them commands such as "retreat". < 1389904658 763314 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a PSP :( < 1389904679 162366 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to control little characters by rhythming unpronounçable syllables! < 1389904730 507066 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@135-23-50-28.cpe.pppoe.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1389904787 189078 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't own a PSP either, I've only seen the game and thought it interesting. < 1389904859 942327 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION scands “tnuctip tnuctip tnuctip tnuctipun” < 1389905512 134904 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1389905588 969812 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't own a PSP either, but I have an annoyingly long list of PSP games that I'd like to play < 1389905613 501834 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Nippon Ichi for not making more games for Nintendo consoles < 1389906682 239225 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1389906881 337685 :CADD_!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389906899 755290 :CADD_!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Client Quit < 1389906971 851238 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389907179 496006 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389907428 620990 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~echo test < 1389907428 901094 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1389907450 775374 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooookay... something weird happened to the metasepia logs. now everything is in bold light blue... < 1389907479 276255 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\033[1;31mtest < 1389907498 378152 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'[1;31mtest < 1389907518 750839 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '\e[1;31mhi boily' < 1389907528 321031 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​hi boily < 1389907535 563192 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1389907542 412127 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked. bold red. < 1389907560 541149 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '\e[0mnormality!' < 1389907562 661547 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​normality! < 1389907573 403797 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you want to strip control sequences < 1389907585 705399 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I really want to strip that stuff. < 1389907595 702045 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. time to disappear in the Great Cold Outside. < 1389907601 290861 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: REFRIGERATED CHICKEN < 1389907602 831364 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389907619 562980 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'\004aare you using irssi?\004a' < 1389907621 458080 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​aare you using irssi?a < 1389907674 580351 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what ^D would be mnemonic for < 1389907689 962752 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dammit" < 1389907690 683781 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe some kind of extended colour thing? < 1389907700 701933 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering it's one after ^C < 1389907737 726993 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the other IRC formatting control-codes are mnemonic, so I figure ^D would be too < 1389907743 857976 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389907814 813158 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'are you using \004 < 1389907922 870676 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :\004,,, < 1389910341 809792 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also LEM/PEM is called PO (Principle of Omniscience) by Bishop < 1389910595 834141 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and Markov's Principle, MP, is considered an Omniscience Principle (though not a Brouwerian one, but a Markovian one). so reducing something to it amounts to a Markovian (counter-)example, rather than a Brouwerian (counter-)example) < 1389910654 243138 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf : did the Escardó paper mention WLPO, or which ? < 1389910675 937819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~mhe/papers/universe-indiscrete.pdf did < 1389910703 764554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is related to a different question I was asking at one point. < 1389910753 464439 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, interesting, haven't read this one before < 1389910937 95884 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :, < 1389911275 410637 :atrapado!~dro@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1389911387 781916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, Andrej Bauer responded to my post < 1389911448 420685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is another, fancy aprroach to this, called synthetic topology. Instead of doing all this computable stuff we just do ordinary topology, but we do it in intuitionistic logic. Then we can interpret such intuitionistic topology in any topos. When we pick the effective topos, we get back exactly computable topology." < 1389911513 723091 :nchambers!~nchambers@69-84-207-62.biz.arrival.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389911574 576830 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on < 1389911578 866998 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to make a cake < 1389911597 471446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is there a Greater Principle of Ignorance < 1389911796 510593 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Don't Know. < 1389911908 396054 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive < 1389911910 870948 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :befuck < 1389911947 670867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there's a Hawking's Principle of Ignorance. < 1389911961 331210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/espletive < 1389911963 43221 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :words --esolangs 5000 | grep -o "\w\+fuck\w*" || espletive < 1389912030 253596 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive < 1389912030 850087 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 5000 too high? it (potentially) reduces the number of invocations, but I wasn't sure how much work `words is doing < 1389912033 585632 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck < 1389912057 841659 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard about that language < 1389912061 953119 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever. < 1389912064 120902 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive < 1389912066 283825 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck < 1389912085 582102 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for f in $(seq 10); do espletive; done | xargs < 1389912088 705521 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. Seems to be stuck there. Earlier I got oozlybubblefuck, which doesn't appear on the wiki. < 1389912101 359996 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :blangintfuck brainfuck madbrainfuck befucks minifuck hydrainfuck alpainfuck infuck drainfuck rainfuck norfuck brainfuck < 1389912141 404940 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good program. < 1389912154 168734 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389912161 12367 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it should have infix fucks (infux) too < 1389912174 928519 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389912179 671338 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it should. "\w\+fuck\w*" < 1389912194 11172 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it matched befucks at least < 1389912341 441724 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh missed that. < 1389912466 762593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/espletive/exec espletive/' bin/espletive < 1389912470 785883 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389912473 850650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive < 1389912479 753959 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck \ norfuck \ brainfucks < 1389912484 318469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1389912490 303568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1389912492 63910 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice job < 1389912503 705282 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1389912506 732132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive < 1389912509 100865 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :infuck < 1389912524 836186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh of course < 1389912547 560324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot exec while you're still running other commands in the pipeline :P < 1389912556 827555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wait < 1389912565 575840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _shouldn't_ be doing that, should you < 1389912643 958612 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` while ! words --esolangs 5000 | grep -o "\w\+fuck\w*"; do :; done < 1389912647 217012 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :crainfuck < 1389912675 987558 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389912696 902750 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389912787 992078 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/fuck/${1-fuck}' bin/espletive < 1389912789 580669 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 16: unterminated `s' command < 1389912804 6218 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/fuck/${1-fuck}/' bin/espletive; cat bin/espletive < 1389912808 286993 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :words --esolangs 5000 | grep -o "\w\+${1-fuck}\w*" || espletive < 1389912817 720966 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive < 1389912820 542842 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck \ skullfuck < 1389912824 359862 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive funk < 1389912827 259150 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :memfuck < 1389912833 675319 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run repeat 5 espletive < 1389912847 935958 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :crainfuck thatefuck celiumbrainfuck minifuck brainfuck ballfuck memfuck < 1389912870 411267 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat repeat < 1389912871 957219 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: repeat: No such file or directory < 1389912883 459537 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat $(which repeat) < 1389912885 228487 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :args=$* \ for f in $(seq $1); do ${args[@]:1} ; done | xargs < 1389912893 237387 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/$/"$@"/' bin/espletive; cat bin/espletive < 1389912897 516350 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :words --esolangs 5000 | grep -o "\w\+${1-fuck}\w*" || espletive"$@" < 1389912908 434617 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/"/ "/' bin/espletive; cat bin/espletive < 1389912912 110829 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :words --esolangs 5000 | grep -o "\w\+${1-fuck}\w*" || espletive"$@" < 1389912917 735308 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. < 1389912919 33703 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1389912921 977633 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1389912935 696816 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/"\$/ "$/' bin/espletive; cat bin/espletive < 1389912939 703153 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :words --esolangs 5000 | grep -o "\w\+${1-fuck}\w*" || espletive "$@" < 1389912946 371901 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive funk < 1389912963 983793 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no funk? or did I mess this up completely now? < 1389912977 743691 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389912985 560257 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive brain < 1389912991 535382 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbrainstateflip < 1389913007 846733 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive < 1389913010 755870 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :infuck < 1389913016 208712 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: very nice :) < 1389913027 482115 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could imagine no \w+funk < 1389913055 496010 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone with better sed skills than me should change that + to a * < 1389913089 518893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --esolangs 5000 | wc < 1389913091 926924 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 1 25 203 < 1389913094 592018 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/\+/*/' bin/espletive; cat bin/espletive < 1389913094 776702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --esolangs 5000 | wc < 1389913099 892000 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 1 25 178 < 1389913101 199240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --esolangs 5000 | wc < 1389913101 912773 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :words --esolangs 5000 | grep -o "\w\*${1-fuck}\w*" || espletive "$@" < 1389913103 761503 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 1 25 185 < 1389913117 804086 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/\\*/*/' bin/espletive; cat bin/espletive < 1389913121 583082 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*words --esolangs 5000 | grep -o "\w\*${1-fuck}\w*" || espletive "$@" < 1389913131 919587 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: methinks \* is not the same as * < 1389913136 292577 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, no. < 1389913138 995242 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1389913140 314685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok if it only has one line, wtf does it sometimes print more than one hit < 1389913141 658251 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1389913142 526783 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: it's not. < 1389913147 267021 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/\\\*/*/' bin/espletive; cat bin/espletive < 1389913151 354302 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :words --esolangs 5000 | grep -o "\w*${1-fuck}\w*" || espletive "$@" < 1389913169 518150 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean when we were running it in loops? < 1389913177 31054 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run repeat 5 espletive < 1389913187 431911 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :infuck wordfuck migolfuck brainfuck memfuck golfuck norfuck < 1389913194 882691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: no, it did that sometimes even when run once < 1389913196 271054 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :can words --esolangs 5000 fail? < 1389913214 709406 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it can, hence the recursive tail < 1389913241 866416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` for i in $(seq 10); do words --esolangs 5000 > /dev/null || echo fail!; done < 1389913243 829041 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, `grep can fail... I don't actually know if `words can fail. < 1389913248 387881 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389913276 254134 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still confused how espletive can produce several words in a single run. < 1389913297 981284 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, never mind < 1389913335 19072 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't know about that `` shortcut for `run... < 1389913377 112148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1389913426 494968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive < 1389913432 278103 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck < 1389913437 746520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive < 1389913441 584899 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :timefuck \ brainfuck < 1389913448 584853 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic! < 1389913463 88651 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. oh! < 1389913466 167178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/espletive < 1389913467 603368 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :words --esolangs 5000 | grep -o "\w*${1-fuck}\w*" || espletive "$@" < 1389913474 24809 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because `words sometimes produces multiple lines < 1389913484 606682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it? < 1389913486 544411 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes more than one line matches the regex < 1389913491 712683 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That must be it < 1389913493 455167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --esolangs 5000 | wc < 1389913493 661254 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/-o/-o -m 1/' bin/expletive; cat bin/espletive < 1389913494 149738 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69             | < 1389913494 334507 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69             >\ < 1389913495 264690 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 1 25 166 < 1389913495 449301 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: can't read bin/expletive: No such file or directory \ words --esolangs 5000 | grep -o "\w*${1-fuck}\w*" || espletive "$@" < 1389913505 698554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --esolangs 5000 | wc < 1389913507 442051 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/-o/-o -m 1/' bin/espletive; cat bin/espletive < 1389913507 741897 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69             | < 1389913507 927231 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 1 25 185 < 1389913507 927371 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69            /^\ < 1389913511 721396 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :words --esolangs 5000 | grep -o -m 1 "\w*${1-fuck}\w*" || espletive "$@" < 1389913519 378507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: i haven't managed to make it do that... < 1389913536 870916 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :-o/, really? < 1389913539 227619 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --esolangs 5000 | wc < 1389913542 437676 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 1 25 204 < 1389913548 651867 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1389913555 152994 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened with my output < 1389913575 138420 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo a b c | grep -o '[^ ]' < 1389913577 194163 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :a \ b \ c < 1389913583 375319 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --esolangs 50 | wc < 1389913585 486256 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo a b c | grep -o -m 1 '[^ ]' < 1389913586 123632 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 1 25 181 < 1389913587 220818 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :a \ b \ c < 1389913595 272122 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so -m doesn't help. grmbl. < 1389913598 248691 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1389913601 178069 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1389913610 987524 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :head -n 1 ? < 1389913640 450990 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/||/| head -1 ||/' bin/espletive; cat bin/espletive < 1389913643 934892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh -o takes more than one hit? < 1389913644 974124 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :words --esolangs 5000 | grep -o "\w*${1-fuck}\w*" | head -1 || espletive "$@" < 1389913652 140917 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1389913669 973364 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :from man grep: Print only the matched (non-empty) parts of a matching line, with each such part on a separate output line. < 1389913767 950619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd do it. < 1389913777 411222 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this proved more amusing than I thought it would... < 1389913808 651057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive < 1389913810 841303 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389913822 63068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU DON'T SAY < 1389913831 334552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(head might always succeed) < 1389913836 553951 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :grand. < 1389913871 306380 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh. hmm. < 1389913905 993646 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe after the recursive call? < 1389913914 627676 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1389913920 32069 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1389913923 10551 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1389913942 947189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number of nested processes isn't going to reduce by this... < 1389913948 450957 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/$/ | head -1/' bin/espletive; cat bin/espletive < 1389913952 810012 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :words --esolangs 5000 | grep -o "\w*${1-fuck}\w*" || espletive "$@" | head -1 < 1389913953 711608 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we care? < 1389913960 856072 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive < 1389913963 497095 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :haifuck < 1389913988 741631 :atrapado!~dro@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389914025 223315 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :We *could* turn it into a loop. < 1389914032 66510 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1389914108 609758 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/\(.*\)||.*|/while ! \1; do :; done |/' bin/espletive; cat bin/espletive < 1389914112 536217 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :while ! words --esolangs 5000 | grep -o "\w*${1-fuck}\w*" ; do :; done | head -1 < 1389914131 973074 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive < 1389914135 222018 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :norfuck < 1389914139 311149 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive brain < 1389914142 792061 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainlove < 1389914157 205306 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive normal < 1389914176 860335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that Andrej Bauer commented on my post I don't want to delete it anymore. :-( < 1389914188 418384 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389914202 82529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: fiendish < 1389914241 587943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you happier now? < 1389914258 582974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly < 1389914259 910278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is oerjan a fiend < 1389914270 282639 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive hell < 1389914275 315262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly i'm a fr?iend < 1389914286 174537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you buy my soul < 1389914288 61061 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell < 1389914312 982479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, all out of infernal cash < 1389914373 367472 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive argh < 1389914380 112575 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive gon < 1389914385 351524 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :forthagonal < 1389914394 172126 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1389914395 701968 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I want to make forthagonal < 1389914413 355099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does sound promising < 1389914423 457651 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` espletive ' ' < 1389914428 585545 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointer minimallenter < 1389914484 141049 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for i in $(seq 5); do espletive gon; done | xargs < 1389914498 962491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :` espletive .* < 1389914500 251874 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1389914511 941006 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :shogonatorycombie thagonal pogonata pogonata thagonal < 1389914524 158562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1389914527 845232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive .* < 1389914530 431076 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :redcodan iota zt xsm q-ball /// c-lon rever2pi bytejump nump redgree kayak tree aargfak p'' tri divzeros bf-pda tg that trits objector mine adjust tlwnn < 1389914574 962146 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. Validation of arguments is left as an exercise to the first one to complain about this feature. < 1389914705 605067 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive sex < 1389914716 534770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` espletive '[0-9]\{2\}' # surely this is a feature < 1389914718 541301 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ozone9000 < 1389914736 986880 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389914742 847071 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I not surprised? < 1389914795 950697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: istr searching for "sex" on the wiki and the only mention was ironically on Taneb's user page. although that was whole-word only. < 1389914872 862065 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive ex < 1389914881 821210 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hex < 1389914977 923225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not as a substring either on either of language or joke language lists < 1389915007 706033 :augur!~augur@pool-108-48-208-82.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389915048 146809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389915177 993980 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389915289 563154 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389916677 776649 :augur!~augur@pool-108-48-208-82.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389916790 74075 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@135-23-50-28.cpe.pppoe.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389917634 223861 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389918655 376043 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389918879 840836 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ironic considering my sexual orientation < 1389919207 39217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1389919340 838856 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I have made a cake < 1389919345 27586 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may or may not be edible < 1389919727 938801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it isn't yellowcake < 1389920131 167161 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is < 1389920135 128038 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ought to be marble cake < 1389920191 215639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the game < 1389920201 342093 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389920285 346408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly imagines using a 3d printer to place the light and dark batter precisely < 1389920667 956470 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have just removed it from the tin and it is the most... flat cake I have ever seen (excluding pancakes etc) < 1389920688 911810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, 2d printer then hth < 1389920778 387292 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389921164 680255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found a printer for printing _on_ cakes, but not one for the whole dough < 1389921282 22550 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@c211-30-196-14.artrmn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389921639 523044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/paste < 1389921641 758868 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/paste < 1389922063 951028 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389922695 752436 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1389922756 219243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which wl < 1389922757 679034 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/wl < 1389922764 738664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/wel < 1389922766 317727 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/wel: No such file or directory < 1389922767 43006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/wl < 1389922768 464649 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ \ import os \ import sys \ import json \ import urllib2 \ \ proxy_handler = urllib2.ProxyHandler({'http': os.environ['http_proxy']}) \ opener = urllib2.build_opener(proxy_handler) \ urllib2.install_opener(opener) \ \ def lose(): \ print 'You get NOTHING! You LOSE! Good DAY sir!' \ sys.exit() \ \ def eels(): \ < 1389922791 694684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/wl < 1389922793 664632 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/wl < 1389922830 431175 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, getting closer, http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/16/5315248/hershey-3d-systems-3d-printed-chocolate-candy-partnership < 1389923323 535275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wl sv en smörgåsbord < 1389923326 140630 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smörgåsbord < 1389923382 686749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wl no en matpakke < 1389923384 918408 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Packed lunch < 1389923602 573847 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@135-23-50-28.cpe.pppoe.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1389923612 687130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which spot < 1389923614 287155 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389923634 211315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "echo Woof!" >bin/spot; chmod +x bin/spot < 1389923637 860461 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389923642 526606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run spot run < 1389923644 386260 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woof! < 1389923654 56683 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389923785 832347 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389923935 757162 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389924257 756058 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389924260 253427 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389924350 963376 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389924531 245781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389925022 839398 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The “This is a leading compression solution” picture. http://www.logitech.com/en-ca/webcam-communications/articles/9443 < 1389925243 118781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: clearly they misspelled "misleading" hth < 1389925252 693675 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1389925402 343081 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1389925438 534287 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like that's "compression" by xoring with another video. < 1389926151 960351 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389926372 452598 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389926591 758053 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in a Microsoft store recently < 1389926902 421109 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :My condolences. < 1389927731 631812 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1389927925 356532 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389928159 981771 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389928483 915935 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwtf < 1389928488 824813 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :the blocks are wavy like his shirt lol < 1389928501 943777 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some nonsense < 1389928667 856582 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389929053 723040 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389929161 918649 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389929203 738951 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1389929217 924095 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :~seen mqrius < 1389929248 988090 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@seen mqrius < 1389929249 173197 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MqriUs < 1389929266 634877 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@seen MqriUs < 1389929266 820067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mQRIu5 < 1389929272 288324 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1389929309 942739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that command has been removed. < 1389929324 754692 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well how the hell do i search all channel logs < 1389929332 114653 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i don't have access to my own logs < 1389929355 350498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen mqrius < 1389929360 473972 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :not lately; try `seen mqrius ever < 1389929365 567124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen mqrius ever < 1389929366 416028 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh its hackego does that < 1389929370 785137 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can never remember < 1389929373 826945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot used to. < 1389929395 733072 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why was it removed < 1389929396 933737 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389929424 742813 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is . a legal character in nicks? < 1389929435 102607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Don't join if you're afraid of bots | 22nd IOCCC results: http://ioccc.org/years.html#2013 | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1389929458 702557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1389929470 724248 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well damn < 1389929479 774540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: @seen mqrius < 1389929480 193839 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : mqrius was last seen on ##javascript 1 year, 176 days, 13 hours, 51 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying: How do I add a body to a document with javascript? < 1389929494 940716 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah aha < 1389929520 954544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that depends on whether he's been in the same channel as preflex ... < 1389929558 523685 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1389929564 442449 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found him < 1389929569 613049 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's not been here < 1389929575 968077 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he is in another channel i'm in < 1389929581 197637 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :got confused < 1389929598 630602 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1389929601 594194 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to cite him for helping on the language i'm adding to the wiki, but he has no wiki account so... < 1389929609 642634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use /whois to check if someone is on freenode right now hth < 1389929655 53733 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't want to know if he was on freenode. i wanted to know if he'd ever been here < 1389929671 962464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1389929684 158512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes mqrius < 1389929689 754106 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.15150 < 1389929708 486879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1389929714 343242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog mqrius < 1389929732 919621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE KEYS ARE LIKE JUST NEXT TO EACH OTHER < 1389929744 487546 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.13870 < 1389929760 366527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still no < 1389929786 662596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `seen ... ever tends to time out if it's been too long since < 1389929788 129346 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm getting a definite no vibe < 1389930537 164727 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@135-23-50-28.cpe.pppoe.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389930612 383918 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389930684 94661 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389930787 847722 :luser0!~chatzilla@2602:306:c493:ce69:21d:72ff:fea4:5b69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389930816 711830 :luser0!~chatzilla@2602:306:c493:ce69:21d:72ff:fea4:5b69 PART :#esoteric < 1389931277 368096 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389931350 359288 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389931357 566205 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389931423 606781 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@135-23-50-28.cpe.pppoe.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1389931787 39233 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1389931797 111017 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1389931905 315418 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389931928 730330 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1389931954 32598 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex NICK :preflex < 1389932489 482824 :subleq_!~gavin@c-174-51-61-67.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389932510 83354 :subleq_!~gavin@c-174-51-61-67.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1389933085 196496 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389933706 226587 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1389935333 777467 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@135-23-50-28.cpe.pppoe.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389935581 110088 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389937213 619668 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1389938491 42066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: nite < 1389938495 281800 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1389940480 319952 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389940533 591836 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric > 1389941840 892863 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389941845 1920 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389941845 516502 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389941880 863096 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389941884 982008 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389941885 496784 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389941920 912825 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389941925 31805 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389941925 546373 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389941952 61932 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389941956 181119 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389941956 695913 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389941997 96819 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389942001 216219 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389942001 731323 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389942022 147140 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389942026 261488 JOIN :#esoteric > 1389942026 776683 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389942028 478777 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1389942030 309504 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1389942030 861528 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1389942043 857115 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389942058 188531 :samebchase!~samuel@codesurfers.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389942083 259187 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389942112 903586 :samebchase!~samuel@codesurfers.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389942155 756438 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1389942305 986062 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1389942308 284856 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 NICK :tertu < 1389944246 24895 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :task in haskell: write a function largestOddDiv n that calculates the largest odd divisor of all even numbers up to n using list comprehension < 1389944253 448355 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :result i got: largestOddDiv n=[x|j<-[0..(length [y|y<-[1..n] ,even y] -1)],x<-[1..(div n 2)],x==maxuneventeiler ([y|y<-[1..n] ,even y]!!j)] < 1389944261 811275 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most excellent troll ever < 1389945067 260503 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1389946828 928198 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :he could have at least done f x|odd x==x < 1389946988 765369 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = maximum $ [x|x<-[1..n], n `mod` x == 0, not . even $ x] in f 15 < 1389946989 896082 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a0 -> t0' < 1389946990 50179 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr' < 1389947015 111964 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (maximum $ [x|x<-[1..n], n `mod` x == 0, not . even $ x]) $ 15 < 1389947016 95569 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a0 -> t0' < 1389947016 249709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr' < 1389947027 669262 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... it works in my ghci . < 1389947072 393119 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if I can write maximum as list comprehension too < 1389947104 47651 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1389947107 194341 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are ordered anyways < 1389947109 88996 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :last should de < 1389949867 575253 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: missing \n -> < 1389949871 37777 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389949931 974243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should learn about topoi, i guess < 1389949937 305510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you an expert thereon < 1389949962 882931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :("thereon"? does that even make any sense?) < 1389950027 193094 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. yeah @\n < 1389950208 815739 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\n -> maximum $ [x|x<-[1..n], n `mod` x == 0, not . even $ x]) $ 15 < 1389950210 285916 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 15 < 1389950215 394143 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\n -> maximum $ [x|x<-[1..n], n `mod` x == 0, not . even $ x]) $ 15876 < 1389950216 448050 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3969 < 1389950441 976161 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.168.184 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389950838 324327 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: What are you actually? < 1389950863 386812 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you pose haskell tasks to others. < 1389951249 229842 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a teaching assistant < 1389951313 628113 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1389951552 26685 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably've trolled you too ;) < 1389951639 391977 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the tasks aren't really interesting I'd just obfuscate the code to make it so :) < 1389951735 176494 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking about letting them proof by induction at the blackboard ;) < 1389951815 169683 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaand i'm out :) < 1389951837 697894 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know induction. < 1389951936 63574 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if P is true of zero and P being true of n implies that it's also true of n+1, it's true of all positive integers < 1389952290 553133 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sentence is oddly formulated < 1389952307 583469 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if P holds true for zero, n, and n+1 it implies, that P is true for all positive integers < 1389952391 376314 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's n? < 1389952403 828208 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is "if it's true of a number it's true of the next number too" < 1389952414 945088 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is independent of whether it is actually true of any number. < 1389952426 228766 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :n is a positive integer < 1389952432 717747 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one. < 1389952447 736995 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :any. < 1389952484 838856 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait... < 1389952495 428354 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :n = 2, 2 and 3 are prime numbers, therefore all numbers are prime < 1389952507 454990 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if P already holds for any number < 1389952512 116245 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then n + 1 makes no sense :D < 1389952515 997639 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you're trying to prove! < 1389952554 774193 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1389952557 475489 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 is a prime number < 1389952562 63951 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :2+1 is also a prime number < 1389952563 321295 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean hey keep saying crazy bullshit in response to my trying to help < 1389952604 911106 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you can see, a thing being true of a number and its successor doesn't imply that that succession relation is true of everything, or anything else. < 1389952877 322242 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :Quit: so long < 1389952974 825080 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: great example, i like it < 1389955926 942722 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1389955982 236427 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389955985 391589 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1389955985 545654 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389956500 654915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389956915 185617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1389959072 291909 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1389961781 720371 :atriq!9020b309@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.179.9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389962030 857685 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`oots 939 < 1389962034 384570 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: oots: not found < 1389962039 882701 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 939 < 1389962041 534202 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 939: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily < 1389962439 466938 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf : "Elementary Categories, Elementary Toposes" by Colin McLarty might be interesting < 1389962464 211933 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a book) < 1389962509 611476 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1389963413 835099 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389963430 212752 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389963582 333341 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive good espletive morning! < 1389963596 580425 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1389963614 18706 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389963707 484163 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive < 1389963712 112362 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :minifuck < 1389963722 348198 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/espletive < 1389963723 628554 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :while ! words --esolangs 5000 | grep -o "\w*${1-fuck}\w*" ; do :; done | head -1 < 1389963750 54250 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, there are no 'good' esolangs. < 1389963802 522742 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1389963829 359174 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my fault, I patched that file yesterday) < 1389964614 390839 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389964921 969585 :atriq!9020b309@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.179.9 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1389967431 772175 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1389968399 464177 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ${1-foo} < 1389968446 664912 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ${foo-bar} expands to $foo if $foo is non-empty, else $bar < 1389968450 744828 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know < 1389968458 851960 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, else bar < 1389968724 913412 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1389968886 55020 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1389969066 978995 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: if you use “${foo-$bar}” with an empty foo, will it expand to the value of $bar, or the string “$bar”? < 1389969104 843811 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former, apparently, at least in zsh < 1389969204 195386 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much of bash's/zsh's arcane variable expansion syntax is spec'd by POSIX? < 1389969341 448989 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, that behaviour is spec'd apparently < 1389969369 567081 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In each case that a value of word is needed (based on the state of parameter, as described below), word shall be subjected to tilde expansion, parameter expansion, command substitution, and arithmetic expansion." < 1389969488 198453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When boily did a plain `espletive good espletive morning! like that, the entire "good espletive morning!" ended up in $1. (Not that it changes anything; there indeed are no 'good' esolangs. But the "no output" wasn't a proof of that.) < 1389969560 40688 :nooga!~nooga@cpc4-acto3-2-0-cust71.4-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389969560 634750 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`espletive good < 1389969591 660596 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389969664 391949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --esolangs 20 < 1389969666 157786 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :recurscript brainfuck lambleq sanshoop aargfak hack gechoon mon kayak arro triptinus sanshoop just bfjouse constuck rum forte 5-log mumobinary eta-juliet < 1389969900 629538 :nooga!~nooga@cpc4-acto3-2-0-cust71.4-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389970149 775775 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no good esolangs? I refuse to aknowledge that horrendous affirmation! < 1389970486 707472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --esolangs 12 | perl -ne '$,=" "; print map "good$_", split;' # well there's a dozen < 1389970488 629617 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :gooddoublefuck++ gooddumpfuck goodcrambler goodvar goodauo goodhargh! goodq-ref goodwhenemo goodalpl goodtri goodpeter goodsnus < 1389970507 141413 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389970565 918460 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, we changed espletive into a loop? < 1389970984 905467 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389971134 244195 :nooodl!~nooodl@97.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1389971366 147290 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: no comment. < 1389971470 831275 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: any clue what's wrong with `repeat? my bashing skills are weak. < 1389971498 926430 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works for single digits (e.g. `repeat 5 foo) but fails for larger ones (e.g. `repeat 10 foo) < 1389971528 386685 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` repeat 10 espletive < 1389971530 454933 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/repeat: line 2: 0: command not found \ /hackenv/bin/repeat: line 2: 0: command not found \ /hackenv/bin/repeat: line 2: 0: command not found \ /hackenv/bin/repeat: line 2: 0: command not found \ /hackenv/bin/repeat: line 2: 0: command not found \ /hackenv/bin/repeat: line 2: 0: command not found \ /hackenv/bin/repeat: line 2: 0: com < 1389971638 753940 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat $(type -p repeat) < 1389971640 465954 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :args=$* \ for f in $(seq $1); do ${args[@]:1} ; done | xargs < 1389971677 714439 :quintopia!~quint@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1389971713 446927 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1389971729 970382 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1389971775 258975 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which repeat < 1389971776 769477 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/repeat < 1389971853 705957 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'cnt=$1; shift; for f in $(seq $cnt); do "$@"; done | xargs' > bin/repeat < 1389971857 877263 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389971865 65577 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`repeat 10 espletive < 1389971866 630179 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :seq: invalid floating point argument: espletive \ Try `seq --help' for more information. < 1389971874 388688 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` repeat 10 espletive < 1389971889 811199 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an exciting time and place to be eh? < 1389971893 834323 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1389971893 988203 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck intfuck golfuck brainfuck brainfuck brainfuck infuck migolfuck brainfuck infuck < 1389971896 744967 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1389971899 196951 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1389971913 396900 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: your changes worked, it's just a slow script < 1389971923 698758 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1389971926 202841 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1389971930 225498 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`vert < 1389971931 614672 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: vert: not found < 1389971937 736598 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily < 1389971957 857023 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` repeat 9 espletive | sed "s/\s/\n/g" | sort -u | xargs < 1389971963 388361 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :belloily < 1389971981 7189 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck brainfucks calcrainfuck drainfuck dumpfuck golfuck haifuck intfuck < 1389972030 366507 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is espletive? it just names a random esolang with fuck in it? < 1389972096 986860 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389972114 494087 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: {...:1} takes a substring. so only the first digit gets removed. < 1389972144 197886 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: I'm unfamiliar with arrays in (ba)sh, hence the shift to shift. < 1389972180 905656 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I've come across an algebraic structure, and am not sure if it has a name yet (I hope it does): it's a monoid, and it's also a semilattice, with the same identity; also, for all a, b, then (a + b) = (a meet b) + c for some c < 1389972198 252638 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia. mrhmellouse. < 1389972201 293487 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that's a join b < 1389972202 596906 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a meet c < 1389972205 338709 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a join-semilattice < 1389972341 833872 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an example of something with these properties is the natural numbers with 0 as the identity, + as the monoid operation, max as the join operation < 1389972536 839350 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $SHELL < 1389972538 434252 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/sh < 1389972550 890977 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`/bin/sh --version < 1389972552 221086 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/sh: Illegal option -- < 1389972651 444491 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` , < 1389972652 851062 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ,: command not found < 1389972673 659513 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` /bin/sh -c , < 1389972675 88162 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/sh: ,: not found < 1389972695 262113 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` strings /bin/sh < 1389972696 950161 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 \ __gmon_start__ \ libc.so.6 \ strcpy \ readdir \ strsignal \ isalpha \ pipe \ __strdup \ closedir \ isblank \ fork \ sigfillset \ realloc \ abort \ _exit \ strpbrk \ getpid \ kill \ strspn \ imaxdiv \ strtod \ isspace \ strtok \ strtol \ isatty \ strchrnul \ isprint \ getpwnam \ getppid \ strlen \ isxdigit \ isalnum < 1389972704 223727 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo , > bin/comma; chmod +x bin/comma < 1389972708 88619 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389972709 254895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`comma < 1389972710 685997 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/comma: line 1: ,: command not found < 1389972988 45458 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` strings /bin/sh | grep ND < 1389972989 641143 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh: turning off NDELAY mode \ OPTIND \ OPTIND=1 < 1389973018 536632 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la /bin/sh < 1389973020 537071 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 4 Oct 14 2011 /bin/sh -> dash < 1389973064 293339 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: I believe your version would have worked with bash. < 1389973145 64547 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: why were you stringsing the shell? < 1389973320 153999 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: same reason mauke did, trying to find some identifying information. < 1389973334 196942 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1389973338 164597 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that NDELAY message is something that dash has but bash doesn't. < 1389973359 609202 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` strings /bin/sh | grep dash < 1389973361 361515 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389973361 793478 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not understanding --version is a giveaway that it isn't GNU < 1389973369 926336 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ls -la was an afterthought that could have saved me some work. < 1389973378 792853 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` md5sum /bin/sh < 1389973380 234147 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cc20a148ccd602b4bde6431a7a7fb028 /bin/sh < 1389973411 311228 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mirror.data-hotel.biz/mirror02/pve-mtest/chroot/var/lib/dpkg/info/dash.md5sums < 1389973416 411066 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun. < 1389973417 629129 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's what I was doing too < 1389973435 350840 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easiest way to identify the program is to hash it, then reverse the hash < 1389973448 818425 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sha1sum /bin/sh < 1389973450 289999 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :3e4f053d7520819f5e45a7792c972b05e4ff234e /bin/sh < 1389973472 966392 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /etc/issue < 1389973474 472546 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /etc/issue: No such file or directory < 1389973495 340070 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't seem to be a widely used version of dash < 1389973509 759807 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dpkg-query -S /bin/sh < 1389973511 156915 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpkg-query: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' for reading: No such file or directory < 1389973516 725707 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1389973517 335269 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :some debian squeeze? < 1389973529 953799 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat /etc/lsb-release < 1389973531 524819 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /etc/lsb-release: No such file or directory < 1389973538 623924 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` uname -a < 1389973540 37808 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.7.0-umlbox #1 Wed Feb 13 23:30:40 UTC 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1389973542 881366 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not having even read-only access to the dpkg status means we can't just ask dpkg what version's being used < 1389973557 367869 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this authentic uml tho < 1389973564 758410 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` md5sum /bin/bash < 1389973566 188859 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :9a99d4a76f3f773f7ab5e9e3e482c213 /bin/bash < 1389973572 213905 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is it authentic uml ↑ < 1389973601 619037 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did someone commit the md5 sum of their bash file to Github? < 1389973612 854240 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I mean, the file /bin/bash < 1389973627 460929 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of repost: http://blogs.perl.org/users/mauke/2014/01/php-puzzle.html < 1389973635 153068 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389973637 481306 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope php is esoteric enough for this channel < 1389973778 193657 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: I'm guessing for the first one, you can't use an integer 0, because it matches 'one' < 1389973790 798201 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I'm guessing we need some value that isn't a string or an integer < 1389973793 434868 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mirror.data-hotel.biz/mirror02/pve-mtest/chroot/bin/bash has the right md5sum and is debian squeeze. < 1389973794 273146 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about boolean false? < 1389973818 344926 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting that people put whole chroots on the web. < 1389973823 487322 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: haha, you just accessed the inside of the chroot? < 1389973836 715779 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, normish's entire filesystem was on the web, read-only < 1389973847 963857 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that's recommended practice or not < 1389973876 63727 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: I can't run PHP here so you're going to have to yes or no my guesses for me < 1389973877 201012 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would advise against it. < 1389973913 516123 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-186.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1389973921 42416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it certainly helps attackers to figure out the exact versions of programs being run :) < 1389973941 282762 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that's not a problem with secure software. (maybe it's not being run...) < 1389973942 74848 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can download them locally and then --version them < 1389973954 895938 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(another bad idea :-) ) < 1389973974 626691 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: http://writecodeonline.com/php/ < 1389974029 744795 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ldd /bin/dash < 1389974031 675692 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ linux-vdso.so.1 => (0x0000007fbffff000) \ libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x0000000040002000) \ /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x000000552aaaa000) < 1389974034 993184 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389974110 610075 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, codepad has it, I'll use that < 1389974119 906037 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it seems that "false" works for puzzle 1 < 1389974128 272246 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough PHP to get the other two, though < 1389974136 422933 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys guess what < 1389974140 524909 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't suck < 1389974161 910100 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't? < 1389974188 790182 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`/usr/lib/libc.so < 1389974189 861058 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /usr/lib/libc.so: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /usr/lib/libc.so: cannot execute: Permission denied < 1389974217 222446 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. i mean, perhaps you start to feel a bit inferior when you try to understand Snowflake, but look at what we have wrought! < 1389974219 852925 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc.so is normally nonexecutable < 1389974227 696247 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invention is mankind's greatness < 1389974233 286358 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so < 1389974234 569106 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so: No such file or directory \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so: cannot execute: No such file or directory < 1389974236 715364 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /tmp < 1389974238 250112 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389974243 326475 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm. < 1389974244 144240 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -d /tmp < 1389974245 818435 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. < 1389974248 51715 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions are also mankind's... uhm... interestingness! < 1389974250 151418 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -d /tmp < 1389974251 904814 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp < 1389974252 704628 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you don't suck! < 1389974261 32777 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`/lib/libc.so < 1389974262 238999 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /lib/libc.so: No such file or directory \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /lib/libc.so: cannot execute: No such file or directory < 1389974271 986054 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -la /lib/libc.so < 1389974272 879330 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: of course I don't. if I did, I'd risk getting my lips stuck on a metal pole. < 1389974273 599931 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. < 1389974284 173690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :``ls -la /lib/libc.so < 1389974284 327606 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cp /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so /tmp && chmod a+x /tmp/libc.so && /tmp/libc.so < 1389974285 289705 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `ls: not found < 1389974286 143200 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp: cannot stat `/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so': No such file or directory < 1389974300 990729 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes. that too. you don't suck long hard shafts. < 1389974303 116182 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cp /usr/lib/libc.so /tmp && chmod a+x /tmp/libc.so && /tmp/libc.so < 1389974304 883389 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/libc.so: line 1: /bin: is a directory \ /tmp/libc.so: line 2: Use: command not found \ /tmp/libc.so: line 3: the: command not found \ /tmp/libc.so: line 4: syntax error near unexpected token `elf64-x86-64' \ /tmp/libc.so: line 4: `OUTPUT_FORMAT(elf64-x86-64)' < 1389974320 453153 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the feeling that /usr/lib/libc.so is a text file < 1389974327 243151 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :linker script < 1389974327 441461 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /usr/lib/libc.so < 1389974328 836091 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/* GNU ld script \ Use the shared library, but some functions are only in \ the static library, so try that secondarily. */ \ OUTPUT_FORMAT(elf64-x86-64) \ GROUP ( /lib/libc.so.6 /usr/lib/libc_nonshared.a AS_NEEDED ( /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 ) ) < 1389974332 483629 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: yep < 1389974347 458584 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file /lib/libc.so.6 < 1389974348 939563 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/lib/libc.so.6: symbolic link to `libc-2.11.3.so' < 1389974353 524953 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, that's the libc.so < 1389974357 592726 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to run ld.so < 1389974361 900097 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file /lib/libc-2.11.3.so < 1389974363 306439 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/lib/libc-2.11.3.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped < 1389974380 330773 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`/lib/libc.so.6 < 1389974381 639497 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU C Library (Debian EGLIBC 2.11.3-4) stable release version 2.11.3, by Roland McGrath et al. \ Copyright (C) 2009 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. \ There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A \ PARTICULAR PURPOSE. \ Compiled by GNU CC version 4.4.5. \ Compiled < 1389974388 741012 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cp /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 /tmp && chmod a+x /tmp/ld*.so.2 && /tmp/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 < 1389974390 328998 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: ld.so [OPTION]... EXECUTABLE-FILE [ARGS-FOR-PROGRAM...] \ You have invoked `ld.so', the helper program for shared library executables. \ This program usually lives in the file `/lib/ld.so', and special directives \ in executable files using ELF shared libraries tell the system's program \ loader to load the helper program from this file. Th < 1389974400 549135 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, libc.so is executable? < 1389974404 60595 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1389974405 813684 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cp /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 /tmp && chmod a+x /tmp/ld*.so.2 && /tmp/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 --version < 1389974407 456685 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​--version: error while loading shared libraries: --version: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory < 1389974411 926546 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gnu libc one, yes. < 1389974417 435785 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1389974423 10991 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks cool < 1389974429 517649 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :becaus they could? < 1389974436 337066 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /boot < 1389974437 816893 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /boot: No such file or directory < 1389974439 358474 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389974451 393765 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, does it dynamically link against itself to do the printing, or does it just look inside itself and use a static version of printf, etc.? < 1389974466 631377 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Snowflake? < 1389974467 577689 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ldd /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 < 1389974469 309153 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ statically linked < 1389974477 935485 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Snowflake < 1389974488 304643 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to write an interp someday < 1389974508 689967 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of all my esolangs that are less vaporware than Feather, it's the one that can most be said to be art < 1389974552 936124 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no implementation? < 1389974596 662279 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389974624 908168 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: no, beacuse the spec is really large < 1389974631 312025 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most people give up before they finish reading it < 1389974650 380673 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just defining the language appropriately was an esoprogramming problem in its own right < 1389974656 587024 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, this does suck: http://esolangs.org/wiki/$tonePits < 1389974658 57367 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I had to make programming in it possible, but not too easy < 1389974737 5822 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we mark it for speedy deletion? if we're lucky, the author will get discouraged and give up esoprogramming altogether! is that too mean? < 1389974773 53633 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as bad as many < 1389974788 81922 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a lots of wells... < 1389974796 742827 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, a) it's not a BF derivative, b) it shows some semblance of creativity, c) it's nowhere near as horrible as ESME < 1389974817 704350 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it looks like it should be in Ideas, not Languages (it's not currently in either) < 1389974839 160352 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is definitely not a language < 1389974839 980190 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION peruses ESME. “ow.” < 1389974869 27378 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the example at the bottom appears to have some random order of choosing pits to sow from. the semantics are not at all defined < 1389974884 377267 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do find it amusing, though, that the author is having difficulty trying to find a state in which to start a finite state machine so that it eventually returns to the original state < 1389975032 309875 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we delete Esme then? it makes us look bad and feel bad < 1389975039 41813 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: aha, I think the solution to the second problem involves finding some string whose md5 starts "2000", but you can hardly expect me to bruteforce that < 1389975058 411616 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: we put it in Category:Shameful, which officially does not exist (and is maintained as a redlink) < 1389975071 592767 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: i can see that < 1389975074 231925 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: yes, we can! < 1389975082 164677 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: in my head? < 1389975086 839576 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, in php < 1389975092 529485 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it should also probably in Joke Programming Languages < 1389975110 258718 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: then someone might stumble across the link by accident < 1389975115 397934 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would be kind-of dangerous < 1389975138 890981 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: mightn't they stumble upon it browsing Stubs? < 1389975149 424595 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but nobody does that < 1389975170 222353 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1389975251 644155 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, the Talk page for Esme is pretty good too < 1389975327 642551 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it looks like the author was a troll < 1389975361 920139 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that hadn't actually occurred to me yet < 1389975799 614707 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t build < 1389975800 850913 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `build' < 1389975801 4976 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant `buildG' (imported from Data.Graph) < 1389976103 897243 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389976234 242685 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389976969 782495 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1389977247 456525 :subleq_!~gavin@c-174-51-61-67.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1389977858 337690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/comma < 1389977861 608691 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389978246 764285 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389978379 321164 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389978654 821037 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz NICK :exhibitionist < 1389978684 913461 :exhibitionist!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz NICK :_46bit < 1389979218 106274 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT : < 1389981413 989806 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389982158 743327 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389982601 122293 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1389983549 655394 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389983654 479270 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /etc/issue < 1389983655 912081 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /etc/issue: No such file or directory < 1389983677 838476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bot that doesn't have any issues? How rare. < 1389983681 557908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Watch and learn. < 1389983681 813800 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: anything worthwhile that isn't super complicated in c++ is a lot like diablo, if you ask me < 1389983755 49680 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? issue < 1389983756 830204 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :issue? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1389983763 65732 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? issues < 1389983764 624937 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :issues? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1389983768 233651 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? No issues. < 1389983803 568784 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ln -s .doorstop wisdom/issues < 1389983804 876722 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ln --help' for more information. < 1389983812 309217 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -s .doorstop wisdom/issues < 1389983815 785959 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389983828 121260 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complain THIS BOT HAS NO ISSUES! < 1389983829 492965 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complaint filed. Thank you. < 1389983835 103875 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? issues < 1389983835 435755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1389983836 993952 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do not have the clearance necessary to view this entry. < 1389983854 992974 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38. < 1389983869 175460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1389983880 996043 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello zzo38 < 1389983882 8331 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1389983915 765685 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which run < 1389983917 82322 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389983928 52684 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still confused by this, is `run a special case? < 1389983987 343960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think so < 1389984030 535262 :nooodl!~nooodl@97.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1389984271 373963 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which `run < 1389984272 725200 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389984387 319406 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. found it. < 1389984389 426069 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1389984389 741676 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1389984465 464943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/hackbot/src/tip/multibot_cmds/PRIVMSG/tr_60.cmd ... line 12, hmm :) < 1389984542 139759 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use "`" then it just uses one word as the filename and the rest as an argument without any further parsing; using "`run" will instead parse it using the shell parser. < 1389984580 935306 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, there are special cases for `help, `fetch, `run, `revert. < 1389984650 521718 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert has to be hardcoded because otherwise someone could delete bin/revert and it'd be hard to stop < 1389984651 198043 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :abort: unknown revision 'has to be hardcoded because otherwise someone could delete bin/revert and it'd be hard to stop'! < 1389984675 243011 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. (you should be more careful there!) < 1389984719 359434 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I expect that the repo is outside of the sandbox. < 1389984729 590860 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it couldn't be inside, obviously < 1389984737 738999 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then the repo would somehow have to be in the repo < 1389984747 66955 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you could convert changes to it made directly < 1389984763 632764 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be ignored ;) < 1389984783 525109 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, having a .hg subdirectory that is ignored by hg is sort of standard. < 1389984792 641997 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la / < 1389984794 305685 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 40 \ drwxr-xr-x 16 0 0 0 Jan 17 18:53 . \ drwxr-xr-x 16 0 0 0 Jan 17 18:53 .. \ drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 4096 Oct 20 00:02 bin \ drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 4096 Nov 10 2011 dev \ drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 0 Jan 17 18:53 etc \ drwxr-xr-x 14 5000 5000 4096 Jan 17 18:36 hackenv \ drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 0 Jan 17 18:53 home \ d < 1389984806 636183 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -a / < 1389984808 364030 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​. \ .. \ bin \ dev \ etc \ hackenv \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ opt \ proc \ sbin \ sys \ tmp \ usr \ var < 1389984822 714948 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.176 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1389984825 427056 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -a /hackenv < 1389984827 52509 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​- \ . \ .. \ 98076 \ bdsmreclist \ bi \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ file \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ .hg \ .hg_archival.txt \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ mind \ paste \ perpetual motion machine \ ploki-0.6.5.1.tar.bz2 \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ this \ UNPA \ wisdom < 1389984827 858380 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1389984861 919457 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389984994 1966 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat dog < 1389984995 340801 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ < 1389985142 348622 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`shuf < 1389985171 759312 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` shuf -n 1 quotes < 1389985173 187125 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ Because you're a Mac user. I am! and proud of it to My mouse has *no* buttons. < 1389985173 376384 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389985201 211593 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1389985202 726793 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :276) elliott, it was an artful robbery! wait, murder < 1389985267 325828 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it seems the the microsd in my phone gave up. I have files like LOST?.DI€ on it... < 1389985279 832869 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, time to get a new one I guess... < 1389985285 723358 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing I have backups < 1389985351 368616 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are essentially 3 alternatives as well for me... Sandisk 64 GB of varying speeds. < 1389985388 10194 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So either another one of the one I had, which is now about half the price compared to 1.8 years ago. Or some faster alternatives for about the same price. < 1389986588 736317 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389986653 390769 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389987422 472927 :nooga!~nooga@cpc4-acto3-2-0-cust71.4-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389987597 424112 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1389987854 485882 :henrique1!~canaima@186.167.243.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389987967 891326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389987987 985482 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome.es < 1389987989 896984 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.) < 1389988010 84839 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome henrique1 < 1389988012 621988 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06henrique1: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.) < 1389988025 828837 :henrique1!~canaima@186.167.243.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1389988111 442067 :henrique1!~canaima@186.167.243.35 PART :#esoteric < 1389988134 293642 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, this client doesn't filter colors < 1389988135 503755 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :adiós < 1389988163 509535 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l perp* < 1389988165 435469 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 25 Dec 26 18:32 perpetual motion machine -> ./wisdom/perpetuum mobile < 1389988293 20745 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: 1colours 2are 3good4!5!6!7!8! < 1389989034 228453 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Black text < 1389989036 234903 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unreadable < 1389989105 484940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : gah, this client doesn't filter colors <-- did you find it annoying? < 1389989115 853341 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm. shows as dark gray here. I said “colours are good!!!!!”. < 1389989138 958241 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, readable for me. It was black on white background < 1389989170 591336 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why colours in IRC suck. Because depending on the readers background some colours will always be unreadable or near unreadable < 1389989199 450470 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :3,8 You could always set bg colour too of course.... But blergh < 1389989206 653310 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay that was a terrible combination < 1389989224 353997 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION artfully mapoles Vorpal < 1389989268 10018 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, wtf is "mapole"? < 1389989272 696456 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mapole < 1389989274 758690 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. < 1389989280 745219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1389989296 908452 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pole. made of maple. it is aerodynamic! < 1389989348 923517 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389989384 142663 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval ["\ETX" ++ show x ++ "," ++ show (15 - x) ++ "poulet" | x <- [0..15]] < 1389989384 836178 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :["\ETX0,15poulet","\ETX1,14poulet","\ETX2,13poulet","\ETX3,12poulet","\ETX4,11poulet","\ETX5,10poulet","\ETX6,9poulet","\ETX7,8poulet","\ETX8,7poulet","\ETX9,6poulet","\ETX10,5poulet","\ETX11,4poulet","\ETX12,3poulet","\ETX13,2poulet","\ETX14,1poulet","\ETX15,0poulet"] < 1389989390 738882 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1389989412 440966 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval ["" ++ show x ++ "," ++ show (15 - x) ++ "poulet" | x <- [0..15]] < 1389989413 33070 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): :1:3: < 1389989413 187100 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at character '\ETX' < 1389990217 506235 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? maypole < 1389990219 325413 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :maypole? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1389990821 434655 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm with ais523, colors are awful. < 1389991070 335524 :nooga!~nooga@cpc4-acto3-2-0-cust71.4-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1389991206 659853 :ais523_!93bcc341@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.65 QUIT :Quit: going home < 1389991735 979758 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389991883 348348 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://whatthefuckismywearablestrategy.com/ < 1389991919 155004 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PAIR OF SHOES THAT POSTS TO MEDIUM WHEN YOU DRINK TOO MUCH COFFEE" < 1389991955 359503 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrinks away from the site... slowly... discreetly... < 1389992114 472567 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like boily needs an E-CIGARETTE THAT SELF DESTRUCTS WHEN YOU HAVE NIGHTMARES < 1389992141 87387 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs aimlessly “AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!” < 1389992180 395806 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like we've moved on from the internet of things to the cabal of things < 1389992187 15338 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tinc. < 1389992599 226247 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm with ais523, colors are awful. <-- Yep. Bold is all you need. < 1389992748 174474 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/irssee.png ... if you look closely you'll find colors :) < 1389992807 19076 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: xterm? < 1389992818 655434 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :xterm. < 1389992831 671005 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389992840 759810 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, http://whatthefuckismywearablestrategy.com/ is cool. < 1389992844 44958 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot? < 1389992845 557880 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooo! lambdie! come back! < 1389992901 125340 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it failed its first reconnect attempt. hmm. < 1389992919 859628 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so now it'll wait 5 minutes) < 1389992979 761449 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. actually 2 minutes. that does seem more sensible. < 1389993038 54759 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1389993088 34497 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it's coming :) < 1389993105 746885 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just has to join a gazillion other channels first. < 1389993136 243388 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't come and tell me there is only a single instance of lambdabot running on all of Freenode. < 1389993155 608315 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :one nick, one bot. < 1389993176 517156 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fungot. < 1389993176 737401 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but if you're running scheme48 in slime48 or the usual command processor and the module system < 1389993195 280282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389993214 274999 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ grep ^join online.rc | wc -l < 1389993214 557406 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :72 < 1389993224 903998 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, crazy. < 1389993234 96849 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiuc, you have access to that instance? < 1389993270 862409 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running it currently < 1389993336 368565 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(AFAIK lambdabot even has a special user mode set because ordinarily, users are not allowed to join that many channels at once) < 1389993337 133032 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most Divine Fungot of Doom Sitting at the Top of Mount Sumeru. < 1389993362 156542 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am impressed. < 1389993438 641379 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot? < 1389993456 122803 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it really case sensitive? that's outrageous < 1389993477 53376 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I called you an it, react < 1389993477 263643 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: latest fnord::"? comments are ignored by the environment. is there a better solution < 1389993557 996810 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: the better solution is to pester your Creator and ask him to make you case insensitive. < 1389993558 190251 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i can program in, you'll build utilities based on that. < 1389993578 662518 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I already have to accept that you're sentient. your utility will come afterwards. < 1389993578 868291 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i did copy some stuff from ccbi on this. i do for sure. < 1389993631 826511 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text.unwords.sequence.map(ap((:).toUpper)(:[]))$"fungot" < 1389993632 322605 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: logcheck and fnord are only 100m... i sense a nice afternoon. i'm too lazy to translate this). i thought you < 1389993633 89346 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : FUNGOT FUNGOt FUNGoT FUNGot FUNgOT FUNgOt FUNgoT FUNgot FUnGOT FUnGOt FUnGoT... < 1389993661 375928 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. sequence.map = mapM, of course. < 1389993666 699479 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389994047 122528 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: UNDEREMOVED CHICKEN < 1389994049 665783 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389994682 832157 :nooga!~nooga@cpc4-acto3-2-0-cust71.4-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389994693 867044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sequence .: map, rather < 1389994729 56548 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, http://whatthefuckismywearablestrategy.com/ isn't all bad. It has a fitting