< 1392422419 683043 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sorry about that < 1392422422 583472 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :best i could do < 1392422438 279207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1392422484 828515 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the bright side, norway is still in the lead at the games, and i got a stroopwaffel for valentimes < 1392422518 860411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice! < 1392422544 723035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like stroopwafels < 1392422545 626530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite several of our best having some bad luck < 1392422652 837907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently our athletes are not used to doing competitive skiing in > +10 celsius temperatures < 1392422727 451955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's 50 fahrenheit for you weirdos) < 1392423001 824715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not if you sort by number of gold medals hth < 1392423053 469162 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm the U.S. is second in all-time winter olympics medals. Austria is third. Canada is way behind. I would have expected better from Canada. < 1392423056 67753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't actually kept up with the games enough to know what actual score is < 1392423100 723389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The gold first ranking system described above is used by most of the world media, as well as the IOC. While the gold first ranking system has been used occasionally by some American media outlets, newspapers in the United States and Canada primarily publish medal tables ordered by the total number of medals won,[6][7][8][9][10][11] and Canada used the total medal count on the official website ... < 1392423106 731048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... for the Vancouver Olympics." < 1392423140 934742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course the only true ranking system is to order the table in ascending Levenshtein distance of the country name from the string "Finland", in which we've generally been doing p. well. < 1392423166 917613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course. < 1392423306 514263 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :order gold-first, the top two are still norway and U.S., but then third goes to Soviet Union (for now) and fourth to Germany. apparently Austria gets on the podium a lot, but not in the top spot as often as Germany. < 1392423354 459025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland also drops quite a lot when going from total to gold (in winter game medals). < 1392423356 353946 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would probably be more fair to compare on the basis of golds/games attended < 1392423487 806543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thomas Hicks (a Briton running for the United States) was the first to cross the finish-line legally, after having received several doses of strychnine sulfate (a common rat poison, which stimulates the nervous system in small doses) mixed with brandy from his trainers. He was supported by his trainers when he crossed the finish, but is still considered the winner." < 1392423508 569595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For the 1904 games' marathon.) < 1392423555 16809 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1392423571 135296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1904_Summer_Olympics#Marathon < 1392423582 865842 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like the kind of thing they'd retroactively toss out of the record books < 1392423584 725597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must've been kind of different event, back then. < 1392423620 96222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well historically, you're _supposed_ to die after doing the marathon. < 1392423625 695384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this bit: "A Cuban postman named Felix Carbajal joined the marathon, arriving at the last minute. He had to run in street clothes that he cut around the legs to make them look like shorts. He stopped off in an orchard en route to have a snack on some apples, which turned out to be rotten. The rotten apples caused him to have to lie down and take a nap. Despite falling ill from the apples ... < 1392423631 788470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... he finished in fourth place." < 1392423654 993666 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hilarious < 1392423672 542275 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where were those games < 1392423694 976806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The participants totalled 651 athletes – 645 men and 6 women representing 12 countries. However, only 42 events (less than half) actually included athletes who were not from the United States." < 1392423703 933064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In St. Louis, Missouri. < 1392423723 723439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy way to rack up those medals, I guess? < 1392423767 825579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ St. Louis organizers repeated the mistakes made at the 1900 Summer Olympics in Paris. Competitions were reduced to a side-show of the World's Fair and were lost in the chaos of other, more popular cultural exhibits. David R. Francis, the President of the Louisiana Purchase Exposition, declined to invite anybody else to open the Games and, on July 1 did so himself in a scaled-down short and ... < 1392423773 838639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... humdrum "ceremony". ]] < 1392423776 339662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such humble beginnings. < 1392423934 328690 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com NICK :augur < 1392423942 114144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1392423982 911392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : and yeah, there are quite a few, but they all seem to misunderstand quantum computation <-- hm i vaguely thought we had at least one that used proper quantum gates < 1392424175 358765 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum computing is already so esoteric it's hard to make an esolang out of it < 1392424215 382598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : actual quantum computing is more like, you have all these threads, but only one of them, chosen at random, actually does anything <-- i am not entirely sure you're sufficiently less confused than the average programmer, here < 1392424244 946325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I implemented a quantum computer simulator as an A-level project < 1392424257 878369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i guess that counts < 1392424258 379514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ran Shor's algorithm on it < 1392424269 903868 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew what you were getting at < 1392424324 989424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well the next thing he said was about interference. < 1392424333 324694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :without that it's a pretty incomplete description, yeah < 1392424339 593839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I was trying to fix the typical analogy that people use, rather than create a new one from scratch < 1392424340 398814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1392424358 981230 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think whatsisname did a pretty good job of summarizing for the lay person. "You set up an entangled system to performs some computation on all answers simultaneously, such that the right is probabilistically amplified while all the wrong answers destructively interfere" < 1392424368 849205 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*right answer < 1392424383 238353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is that afair you cannot actually _distinguish_ threads that have the same outside visible result, which is the same as those that interfere with each other < 1392424439 289893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so saying that any particular thread actually runs is slightly dubious in my mind. although i guess the math works out. < 1392424457 540882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we're getting into interpretation of QM territory :) < 1392424469 538915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bring back zzo38 the neutral monist! < 1392424470 869716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1392424474 652069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1392424498 766239 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zzo38's Neutral Monastery < 1392424500 764469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that someone who allegedly know what they were talking about claimed that practical quantum computers would be proof of the many-worlds interpretation < 1392424504 589941 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1392424514 339495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the basis that there wasn't enough computational power in the universe, thus the computation must extend through more than one < 1392424536 152417 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems doubtful < 1392424590 30742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my view seems to be heading towards the fundamentals being information and consciousness, which only partially correspond to matter and mind < 1392424605 986116 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :Remove the stone of shame! Attach the stone of triumph! | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1392424629 674786 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! < 1392424639 498008 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good char siu evening! < 1392424658 869633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still i'm not really monist because i don't see how information alone can be conscious, nor consciousness alone can have ordered experiences < 1392424660 339491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what basis did they have for making an assertion about the amout of comput. power in the universe? < 1392424698 44267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think it was based on the volume of the universe and the theoretical maximum information storage density < 1392424726 804287 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no that's wrong you're crazy hth < 1392424763 218699 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1392424805 162976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: OKAY < 1392424817 535158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: whatshisname = aaronson? < 1392424852 163136 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it seems there could be a number of ways to store more information without requiring extra whole parallel universe. not that i'm opposed to the idea... < 1392424855 182710 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1392425053 40926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i must be crazy i though aaronson treated that poor crackpot who challenged him to a P vs. NP bet the other day rather unnecessarily rudely. < 1392425082 320832 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i missed it what happened < 1392425246 652792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1687#comment-100407 < 1392425333 826089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1392425352 450012 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1392425378 272871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek it's shikhin's evil mirror twin < 1392425379 766361 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you, in fact, a neutral monist? < 1392425392 290796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I think so. < 1392425396 888076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a constructive proof of P=NP were discovered (e.g. P-time algo for 3-SAT), just how badly would it destroy the world? < 1392425435 33827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: assuming the polynomial is also reasonably small, all public key crypto, *whoosh* < 1392425437 842791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, would we recover quickly from the death of all widely used crypto? would nothing happen because people fixed issues before it could be exploited? would the new algorithm lead to an eternal age of peace and prosperity? < 1392425440 706484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, exactly < 1392425475 11188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would destroy public key crypto in _general_, unlike quantum computers (afaik) < 1392425527 781772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may mix up things badly but not the destruction of the world. necessary. And maybe P=NP is untrue which means there is no valid proof (but maybe that, too, is unprovable). < 1392425542 97827 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1392425542 317458 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1392425649 143779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might also put a dent in private key crypto that isn't truly unbreakable like one time pads < 1392425669 761262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly that too. < 1392425761 511259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it might allow you to find by guessing which key gives the most readable decrypted message < 1392425771 748393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1392425831 916533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this doesn't work for one time pad because then _all_ readable messages are given by some key) < 1392425969 986963 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i read the thread. it didn't seem that bad to me. < 1392426092 353635 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: crypto would recover if quantum crypto became readily available. however, all my BTC becomes worthless then, so let's hope it doesn't happen. < 1392426172 797923 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of things become worthless if that happens < 1392426180 938305 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus lots of your previous encrypted data is magically transparent < 1392426187 103824 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cryptocalypse < 1392426224 335053 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh i don't have much in the way of encrypted data i need to keep private < 1392426420 958270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hm i'm not meaning rude in an "insult with swear words" sense, but rude in a "doesn't try to understand that the other guy sees things differently (albeit insanely) and calls him dishonest if he doesn't live up demands he's never accepted" sense. < 1392426440 813472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*up to < 1392426540 289863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is that you bet $200k, keeping your confidence about the matter, but you have the choice of paying as low as one (1) US dollar, AND I have the right to refuse any amount above $1. I think that is clear. Let me know if you understand otherwise. < 1392426544 456121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1392426557 764004 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see it as him being a busy guy who does have time or mental energy to try to understand every crackpot he comes in contact with. he dismissed a potentially lengthy and fruitless comment thread in order to keep the SNR high for the rest of his readers. < 1392426583 459753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1392426607 765122 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*doesn't < 1392426624 265989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get that quote at all < 1392426636 608715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok he doesn't have the best english either :P < 1392426695 779955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even think of any interpretation of that that makes any sense at all < 1392426777 452545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes perfect sense to me hth < 1392426790 37156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if i don't try to assume the guy is rational, that is) < 1392426839 879186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay but... well, fine < 1392426843 693072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of dissatisfying as an answer < 1392426864 756520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CANNOT IMAGINE WHY < 1392426939 36400 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392427062 153211 :Koen1!~Adium@62.210.33.63 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1392427067 516780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thinking some more about this, i think he has strange ethical principles about betting large amounts of money, that conflict with other principles about making this a real bet, in an unresolved way. < 1392427115 748757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why not just ask for a $1 bet, though? < 1392427120 154465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scott seemed perfectly happy with that < 1392427303 114365 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392427474 63329 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1392427702 706530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have two keyboards hooked up to this computer and i'm currently typing with one hand on each of them < 1392427706 859531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of an odd sensation < 1392427865 265053 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how fast can you double tap < 1392427929 490310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well that wouldn't be a real bet, would it >:) < 1392427930 946208 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26187725 < 1392427949 662242 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :watching bitcoiners realise that unregulated money is actually kind of awful is always heartwarming < 1392428190 347111 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1392428190 974111 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 150100Z 26013G18KT 4SM -SN FEW030 BKN060 M05/M07 A2959 RMK SC2SC4 SLP020 < 1392428200 137469 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the -SN. it won't stop. < 1392428365 883953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1392428813 327282 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder if trying to define lenses in Scheme is as silly as trying to define do notation in Scheme < 1392429285 683394 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how well it'd work without the types < 1392429301 642339 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need a generic map, at the very least < 1392429392 512823 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1392429409 292111 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: AMŒBAL CHICKEN < 1392429414 412496 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need, or want? < 1392429425 787775 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly want it for mapped/traverse, but... < 1392429442 339210 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe Racket's map is generic across sequences but not all possible functors < 1392429453 343227 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are you talking about the zipper with delimited continuation thing? < 1392429472 239640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1392429476 134265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1392429480 342258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep *doing* it. < 1392429510 245220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you just pass the map function to the lens as an argument < 1392429548 142449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that ruins lens composition = function composition, but scheme isn't big on the latter anyway, i think < 1392429565 114601 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm completely ignoring lens composition = function composition < 1392429568 942322 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't see the point < 1392429583 584442 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a lens as a structure containing a getter and a modifier < 1392429590 350238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1392429600 243911 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I have it have a setter too? Are there lens-like things that have setters but no modifiers? < 1392429631 371361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm lens library's Setter is a modifier, anyway < 1392429676 583136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if you really don't see the point, then you really don't see the point of lens, which is composition with the subtyping hierarchy < 1392429677 455547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's at the end of the hierarchy, so nothing weaker < 1392429700 549489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just want to define lenses then ok. (but they're boring) < 1392429768 364846 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm kind of allowing the definition of lenses with no getter, although not in a particularly clean way (just causing composition to error if the composed lens's getter is attempted to be used) < 1392429768 913251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I keep *doing* it. <-- i note he managed to accidentally evade your question, too < 1392429776 839244 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really sure what other types of things there are :/ < 1392429842 125080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: have you looked at the diagram at http://hackage.haskell.org/package/lens < 1392429853 592047 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... tried, once < 1392429857 90233 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can try again < 1392429861 731464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :traversals, lenses, prisms, isos are important < 1392429877 601078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the weakened versions of those without setting too, to a lesser degree < 1392429916 530057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm MonadicFold is that a bit new? < 1392429916 719159 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have traversals covered (or, as well as can be given the lack of generic traverse), isos are stronger than lenses, aren't they? But I do want prisms, haven't given them enough thought < 1392429934 479453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have traversals unless they compose with lenses < 1392429939 542214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no < 1392429973 449965 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between a traversal and a setter? < 1392429987 95707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1392429989 191854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, most everything < 1392430085 664719 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should give some thought to attempting a van whatshisname based implementation < 1392430151 494208 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Racket sucks enough at nested data structures that even lenses, by themselves, are interesting... < 1392430152 764679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not possible in scheme < 1392430171 334850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a proper type system with HKP and typeclasses (or else subtyping, maybe, possibly, if it's flexible enough) < 1392430179 378519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1392430183 654354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else awful ugly runtime stuff I guess < 1392430187 451284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't want to think about that < 1392430209 89883 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HKP? < 1392430255 964765 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I don't really get how typeclasses can be mandatory unless there are functions that need to be polymorphic on the return type. Racket does have generic functions < 1392430258 451289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :higher-kinded polymorphism < 1392430277 294596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I suggest you study the design of the lens library more. then you will be able to make your own judgements < 1392430330 44987 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a good idea < 1392430331 954541 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1392430811 150957 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1392430943 490007 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1392430991 947809 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1392431314 606262 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apply (compose1 compose1 curry) < 1392431323 973083 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At this point, I should probably just use a fold or something < 1392431588 165118 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1392431760 739146 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1392431784 133376 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com NICK :Guest16220 < 1392432071 739799 :Guest16220!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1392432148 973031 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck YouTube and fuck the cloud < 1392432160 919950 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favorites list seems to have been truncated to 100 < 1392432174 3491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cloudy with a chance of fuck < 1392432178 511561 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1392432180 804262 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bibleiocoin wadublecoin feetlecoin iastacoin chacoin oaicoin atlycoin pumcoin utquethesecoin laughcoin bibillcoin q-revacoin wtfzomecoin gritseifcoin yagecoin ementcoin biblecoin smasycoin lolangcoin optercoin < 1392432239 516496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be on a scriptural streak < 1392432273 600598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think wtfzomecoin could catch on < 1392432473 373952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the chess game of someone's dreaming: 8/3q4/6nk/4P1pp/8/2Q3K1/4B2P/8 Black to play. < 1392432535 305646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this some known notation < 1392432561 49763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is FFEN < 1392432563 765851 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1392432588 170198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is several software to interpret it (including my own "TeX Chess"), or you can do it manually. < 1392432812 737364 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1392435336 655667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uppercase letter means white pieces, lowercase letter for black pieces, starting at the rank 8, given each row, each digit means that many vacant cells. < 1392435733 746070 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1392435757 388557 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com NICK :Guest20309 < 1392436118 398931 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think this discussion would interest you http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/1xw70y/tls12/ < 1392436317 47748 :Guest20309!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com NICK :augur_ < 1392436371 140548 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1392436372 597604 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ballfroilcoin frabcoin korbcoin zoppcoin piecescoin lazacoin veicoin x-dcoin regocoin sendiecoin squatrovincoin cyclocoin eodecoin quatrestkindcoin gyptcoin chonalcoin lyapaschcoin anocoin chroucoin tingcoin < 1392436928 808769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that thing which lets you make $0.000000078 per hour from your website visitors by making their browsers mine bitcoin is about to get sued in New Jersey http://tech.mit.edu/V134/N4/abelson.html < 1392437242 443634 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was actually deployed? < 1392437271 683552 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know < 1392437307 533449 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am starting to appreciate Haskell's curried by default more < 1392437328 487013 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also wish Racket had less... insane curry function < 1392437330 663411 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And uncurry < 1392437885 745822 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1392437941 426536 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :curry is a good default < 1392438514 101669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :currywurst is a good default < 1392438550 471861 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wish I could bring rudybot in here so I could complain about curry < 1392438787 247648 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :((curry f) a b c) will NOT call f (and instead return a curry) unless the max num of arguments is reached. (((curry f) a b c) d) WILL call f unless the minimum number of arguments hasn't been reached < 1392439057 118658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I keep hearing that ZRH is very expensive. < 1392439437 728672 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1392439886 246231 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.twitch.tv/twitchplayspokemon < 1392440059 701100 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what is this 'cut' everyone talks about? < 1392440152 595254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean the 'cut' move in Pokemon, or something else? < 1392440258 89335 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'cut' move in Pokemon < 1392440285 37976 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a HM move, which can be used in or outside of battle. Outside of battle, it can cut some trees, and can cut grass too. < 1392440297 400928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They will grow back if you leave the area) < 1392440334 9359 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it fairly simple to get? < 1392440361 298951 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need an HM, a Pokemon capable of learning it, and I think you need a gym badge too. < 1392440361 984468 :password2!~password@197.78.173.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392440363 80410 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not as easy as ... saving ... appears to be < 1392440642 116900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that explain it? < 1392440775 72987 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392440864 186705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you explain this behavior: < 1392440879 961768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gremlins! < 1392440888 156026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo $'a O\nai P' | sort < 1392440888 383080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ai P < 1392440888 383247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a O < 1392440906 42229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :with LANG=C sort it sorts the other way < 1392440921 240159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is the locale? < 1392440922 424566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then set LANG=C < 1392440934 28553 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact LANG=C should *always* be the default < 1392440935 643523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you en_US.UTF-8 < 1392440943 261874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/if you // < 1392440955 622930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always set LANG=C when working on UNIX systems < 1392440965 865415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run LANG=en_US.UTF-8 echo $'a O\nai P' | sort < 1392440966 509403 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ai P \ a O < 1392440985 106677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run LANG=en_US.UTF-8 echo $'a O\nax P' | sort < 1392440985 629536 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a O \ ax P < 1392441018 404600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run LANG=en_US.UTF-8 echo $'a O\nai N' | sort < 1392441019 58245 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ai N \ a O < 1392441030 526335 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1392441034 977979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1392441044 2805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run LANG=en_US.UTF-8 echo $'a Q\nai P' | sort < 1392441044 638072 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ai P \ a Q < 1392441050 926863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run LANG=en_US.UTF-8 echo $'a A\nai B' | sort < 1392441051 506421 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a A \ ai B < 1392441074 294765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it ignores space < 1392441104 705280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1392441115 318498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's much simpler than the theories i was trying to come up with < 1392441122 87167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see the problem, it sorts _precisely_ like [[Language_list]] hth < 1392441225 27039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx tdh hand < 1392441233 399489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw hand < 1392441243 278219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a more versatile sorting system would allow two inputs so one is used as the sort key. (For example, the other input could be generated using sed) < 1392441260 306006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need 'cut' to get past a certain point in the game right < 1392441267 861914 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as 'surf' and maybe some others < 1392441268 50975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a UNIX pipe doesn't take two inputs. < 1392441281 351356 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, you need 'cut' and 'surf', at least. < 1392441298 875585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you have any chess variant based on pokemon < 1392441300 616182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which game is this < 1392441312 379598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Pokemon game. < 1392441354 714813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I once tried making some shogi variant involving pokemon somehow, but never completed it. < 1392442174 66534 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1392442468 370597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it depends on which Pokémon game you're talking about < 1392442752 188021 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamic scope is... tempting, as a solution to how to fake typeclasses < 1392442772 897408 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would need to provide the scoping at each time the lens is used, but... < 1392442777 933520 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, the parameter's value < 1392442976 787345 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I like the game of Pokemon Card, anyways; I don't have large amount of interests in the other game < 1392443303 147932 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1392443385 121774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1392444172 630377 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdsdsdsdsd < 1392444896 703861 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1392444898 241393 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumpingcoin allothesscoin lestolcoin dumbscoptocoin jumecoin taxianuiardingybilitategrougheficcoin albolcoin pseudcoin infursumamcoin podanguagcriptcoin byterchacoin concallcoin chicoin barbicoin resophyrcoin schesircoin chulgcoin tamploicoin percacoin greecoin < 1392445008 438751 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --german 20 | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' < 1392445009 797572 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spezimcoin chaftensionencoin irchsmaßnahmercoin sonszusaticoin bungenencoin ivissessignifischecoin utmachofsencoin wischaldwirtsortcoin sterncoin cograrbecoin aufendescoin selcoin munischenagelcoin dasstatincoin gigenbegleichtcoin faktentmarocoin safroncoin geweichencoin vorschulspasthigkeitcoin hetendorkcoin < 1392445132 612145 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you have non-ASCII letters in it! < 1392445312 751201 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1392445419 140029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true < 1392445475 183893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheißecoin < 1392445631 521531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What verb means, making someone else sleeping? < 1392445765 979771 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleepificating < 1392445787 476458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a real word? < 1392446175 639076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to calculate a probablility of a deck winning/losing against a "59eye1Mewtwo" deck. < 1392446199 749045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it isn't a real word < 1392446211 568410 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Then what is the proper word? < 1392446217 961102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1392446224 186895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1392446225 674451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sedate" < 1392446227 929295 :password2!~password@197.78.173.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to put someone to sleep < 1392446233 398910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly right, but pretty close < 1392446245 176601 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1392446250 376437 :password2!~password@197.78.173.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sedate implies some force though < 1392446287 428956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kinds of force? < 1392446303 18808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :password2: not necessarily, it could also involve sleeping pills or similar < 1392446443 104717 :password2!~password@197.78.173.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which still is some force manner < 1392446516 213003 :password2!~password@197.78.173.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your forcing the person to sleep < 1392446528 468463 :password2!~password@197.78.173.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not going to sleep naturaly < 1392446655 368963 :password2!~password@197.78.173.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sedate does not always imply sleep too < 1392446667 246015 :password2!~password@197.78.173.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages suck < 1392446701 804102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least it's a real word :-( < 1392446710 763156 :password2!~password@197.78.173.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1392446723 724923 :password2!~password@197.78.173.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also say you tuck someone in < 1392446740 972023 :password2!~password@197.78.173.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on what you want to say obviously < 1392446835 129526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to say to make them to sleep even if they would not ordinarily to do so in such a daytime. < 1392446854 105585 :password2!~password@197.78.173.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah , then sedate is mote apt < 1392446855 6603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tire"? that means "to make tired", which also isn't quite the same < 1392446867 890051 :password2!~password@197.78.173.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*more < 1392446868 424387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, probably "sedate" is OK < 1392447556 934740 :password2!~password@197.78.173.164 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1392447934 917166 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392447965 299204 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 NICK :Guest81947 < 1392448505 254165 :Guest81947!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1392448818 281829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A deck consisting of fifty-nine basic energy plus BULBASAUR [Lv15] is *guaranteed* to beat a deck consisting of fifty-nine basic energy plus MEWTWO [Lv53], even though the latter is OK in many cases (but less than 50%), and the former is pretty bad in general. < 1392448852 83732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can give you the card texts if you want them. < 1392448854 603654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the bulbasaur have some protection from paralysis? < 1392448867 493666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, it's usual to say the species and set that the card comes from, rather than species and level < 1392448870 559419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, but MEWTWO [Lv53] doesn't paralyze. < 1392448872 779696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because species/level can be ambiguous sometimes < 1392448878 719315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, just blocks damage < 1392448896 882565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It is ambiguous only with the newer sets, not in the original game, which is the only one I am considering. < 1392448923 758097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And, species/set can be ambiguous too, but only with some sets) < 1392448989 523110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BULBASAUR [Lv15] has 5 HP and the following two attacks: - { * } RECOVER: Remove one damage from this card. - { % } POISON SEED: Defending pokemon card is poisoned. < 1392449023 822070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEWTWO [Lv53] has 6 HP and the attacks: - { @* } PSYCHIC [1+]: Add 1 damage per energy card attached to opponent's active pokemon card. - { @@ } BARRIER: You must discard one energy card attached to this card in order to use this attack. All effects of attacks (including damage) that affect this card are prevented during opponent's next turn. < 1392449031 46831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you see how it works? < 1392449033 245034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the poison effect beats mewtwo < 1392449046 522156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :before it can get Barrier in place < 1392449078 499988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, the poison by itself isn't quite enough. < 1392449098 839214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are three other cards that can guarantee poison on first turn, but none of them are good enough. < 1392449121 315018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I think the Mewtwo wins < 1392449124 956431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just uses Psychic < 1392449151 903905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did consider that, and that is why WEEDLE [Lv15] and ODDISH [Lv21] lose. < 1392449181 768336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mewtwo does 20 (or 2 with your notation) damage per turn: 10, plus 10 for the Grass energy that Bulbasaur attaches to be able to use Poison Seed < 1392449195 520823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you can recover! < 1392449236 510552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, poison does 20 per turn, doesn't it < 1392449238 30699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 10 < 1392449243 218162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it triggers on both players' turns < 1392449252 614722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it triggers on both player's turn. < 1392449300 599665 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.110.60 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1392449349 767741 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now hopefully you can understand it. < 1392449408 497232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the thing about that mewtwo deck is, why not use four mewtwo rather than one? < 1392449445 68609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lose the ability to attach energy on the turn you play a mewtwo, but the opponent probably can't oneshot it < 1392449448 947172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can get back to the same situation again < 1392449485 55781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it may sometimes work, but not always, and anyways that isn't the original deck. < 1392449519 497233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to actually get the second one in time. If you do, then yes it works, in this case. < 1392449563 786785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, having four Mewtwo cards makes it worse against some other decks (those with GUST OF WIND, for example). < 1392449573 172627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1392449598 93882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they actually reprinted Gust of Wind recently, as Pokémon Catcher < 1392449608 424012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was one of the best cards legal in only-recent-cards-are-allowed games < 1392449655 262345 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, although I am considering only the original game. Yes it is a pretty good card. < 1392449668 897193 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the care and feeding of lenses" < 1392449672 612065 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This amuses me for some reason < 1392449696 284599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's better nowadays because people play so many Pokémon that have low HP but good effects from the bench < 1392449701 95850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and try to never let them become active < 1392449896 239982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1392449995 37114 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, would I need to allow arbitrary Applicatives, or can I allow merely Identity, Const, and ... others specifically needed for lenses? < 1392450020 574482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the new game much, and play the old one in either "cube constructed" format (there is a list of valid cards, and you can include up to four of any of them), or "cube draft" format (a bunch of cards are mixed up and drafted; you may then take any of them plus any number of basic energy cards to make a 60-card deck, and rules for evolution are a bit less strict). < 1392450029 414959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mostly I like the Pokemon card puzzles. < 1392450083 758781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can make up any, please show to me; I like to see it, too. < 1392450232 617569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: You are allowed to include cards you do not own any copies of. This is the difference from the standard format.) < 1392450324 84309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to find that the tactics involved in Pokemon card (at least the original game) are extremely positional. < 1392450362 651002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if you (or anyone else) agree/disagree with this statement. < 1392451205 972424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Magic: the Gathering card puzzle too. Do you know how to buy that book? < 1392451582 232576 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392451598 790463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use GUST OF WIND defensively, unless I can win on the same turn. < 1392451605 219023 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 NICK :Guest69358 < 1392451611 100800 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1392451857 259338 :Guest69358!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Client Quit < 1392453533 397188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did anyone ever, in a game of chess, checkmate with a en passan move? < 1392453786 729738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't, at least < 1392453799 757601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible but the conditions that can do it are very contrived < 1392454227 704526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I believe that < 1392454427 932332 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen a chess puzzle involving checkmate by en passan. < 1392454627 409373 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This should be easy to search for < 1392454637 651965 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :?4 ?x?3# < 1392454638 43840 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1392454721 205064 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A rarer checkmate move might be O-O-O# < 1392454866 745381 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-117.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1392454886 576413 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I cannot find an online database that allows searching by move < 1392454891 944069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is easier to search for if you have a PGN file < 1392454925 712401 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to have a database of chess games in SQL format; it could bein PGN, and I could then write a program to convert it into SQL so that it can be queried. < 1392455066 84854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The SQL could also be used to calculate statistics.) < 1392455249 727593 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392455423 442171 :password2!~password@197.78.173.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392455554 520247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is an easy retroanalysis problem (at least to me it is; I have solved it; apparently "everybody has already seen" it, but I haven't): 6b1/7p/8/8/8/8/8/K1k5. What did White just play? < 1392455660 640777 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I downloaded this list of 37000 tournament games, and there are 300 checkmates in it < 1392455667 674995 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck chess < 1392455738 656611 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there are gems like 41.g6 Nxe3 42.g7# Qxg7 43.Rxg7 Kxg7 < 1392455827 668242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? Is that a typing error? < 1392455859 310537 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: nice < 1392456095 105768 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, it turned out to be a typo < 1392456100 230873 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: What tournaments are they, and what time periods? < 1392456123 344736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I thought it must be a typo, since it can't be anything else < 1392456151 744507 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/pgn/ < 1392456253 481435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without downloading them I don't know what time-periods/tournaments; do you know which ones are in the files *you* downloaded? (I don't even know which file you downloaded, either) < 1392456277 899722 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I downloaded all of them < 1392456283 46675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if it's Black's move, Ka1 (from a2); if it's White's move, Ka1 (from b1), then Black played Kc1 in response < 1392456291 320798 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I don't know which file it is in either < 1392456295 1478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I'm missing something < 1392456323 758209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the Ka1 if it's Black's move captures a knight that just gave discovered check < 1392456327 45349 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Well, do you know what time periods they span? < 1392456328 46505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably the thing you're meant to work out < 1392456355 999791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, that is my solution too; the king moved from a2 to a1, capturing a knight. < 1392456574 761720 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh jeez < 1392456586 103275 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone discovered a 549-move 7-piece endgame < 1392456636 858791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Really? What is that one? < 1392456656 601978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have the FEN or PGN? < 1392456657 939190 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1392456661 318733 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess2/diary.htm < 1392456890 751606 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These extreme positions are the outposts, the Everests or Mariana Trenches of chess’ state space: they should be hailed, visited and contemplated not only because they are there but because the lines from them can perhaps be analysed and explained in terms of some chessic principles." it's official: i don't get chess < 1392457261 440299 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://codepad.org/Yl4yEnxW I cut off some of the games and put 1/2-1/2 at the end < 1392457290 675519 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them seem to be due to very confused players thinking that their move was a mate < 1392457306 251958 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, no actual mates < 1392457638 875270 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1392457646 322832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Line 191 contradicts line 199. < 1392457721 48965 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is one of the games that were cut off < 1392457962 117465 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did it get cut off? < 1392458053 814321 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used egrep -A1 < 1392458091 188754 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not expect lengthy continuations after a mate to be that frequent < 1392458226 330458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1392458450 381480 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _think_ that explicit rewriting macros make it easier than syntax-case to deliberately have an unhygienic symbol exposed at the ultimate use site, even when a macro has emitted a macro call. I am not certain whether this is a point in favor or against either system < 1392458740 252878 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1392460018 180675 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that scenario sounds quite.... esoteric < 1392460167 867000 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392462053 699138 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1392462693 766228 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1392464011 214896 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392464038 877189 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1392464892 313775 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1392465991 437442 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392466996 192242 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: chessic principles sounds like something someone would say if they've never tinkered with a combinatorial problem other than chess, and they've tinkered with way too much chess. < 1392467038 74293 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-117.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1392467061 249674 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i just don't get chess < 1392467173 123675 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean how can you think that a combinatorial accident that severe in a game where each piece pretty much follows its own rules is guided by a "principle" < 1392467280 202221 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1392467292 386133 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so, you like chess variations, do you think the usual rules are somehow particularly optimal? like, say i take two pieces in the starting position and exchange them, will you get a worse game for any pair, or will it usually be just chess? < 1392467347 748651 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps at least exchanging a soldier with something will lead to a more aggressive game (or something stupid) < 1392467548 750439 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*pawn) < 1392467897 391843 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to go on the wiki and post things that are obvious formatting and policy errors more often. if i don't give oerjan something to fix, the wiki goes whole days without anything happening at all! < 1392467995 268597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could add all the italics back into the BF Joust article so we can revert it back to the current formatting < 1392468002 982432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: don't actually do that) < 1392468032 840994 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was italicized? i don't remember < 1392468085 261382 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like italics. i think it improves readability when used on variable names < 1392468086 781286 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-18.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1392468125 93796 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-18.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1392468125 282770 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1392468311 935158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember either, random sentences / part of sentences, I think < 1392468373 824748 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes when i'm writing something i feel like using italics < 1392468383 345213 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i realize it looks silly < 1392468393 557507 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i use it anyway < 1392468397 224067 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then later i remove it < 1392468430 537325 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if it's really important you want to emphasize it < 1392468457 690826 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should use colors instead < 1392468475 242541 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :try bangs! they are great for emphasis! and if the info is surprising, try interrobangs too! < 1392468488 880517 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 50 different shades of gray that tell you how erotic the sentence is < 1392468579 131540 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1392468584 259227 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :black on black = "so hardcore, we had to turn the lights off while it was happening to save our sanity" < 1392468629 930631 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :00super secksy; highlight at your own risk! < 1392468656 294338 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :01your mom < 1392468666 657168 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1392468717 78331 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :0,0ono someone died at climax < 1392468751 889231 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :exposionnnnnnnn < 1392468755 553112 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,1don't worry, it was your uncle, not your mom < 1392468762 334414 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank < 1392468762 809048 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :god < 1392470298 158142 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.110.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392470454 806430 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellooodl < 1392471724 11939 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1392472330 117440 :password2!~password@197.78.173.164 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1392472482 515036 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1392473368 108559 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anyway < 1392473380 759152 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am wondering about making a quantum computin' esolang < 1392473388 200006 :password2!~password@197.78.182.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392473390 538337 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe using 2+1 D quantum fields < 1392473470 766233 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly some Befunge like structure < 1392473545 770688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even "regular" quantum programs are an esolang < 1392473562 416082 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows < 1392473569 277504 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe in the future, they won't be~ < 1392473578 624670 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :High school kids will learn about quantum java < 1392473623 406515 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And quantum php < 1392473690 990845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering whether to hope quantum PHP is never invented < 1392473698 961424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to hope that it is invented so I can see what sort of disaster it is < 1392473706 461512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll go for "invented, but nobody uses it" < 1392473724 183889 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you crash it it will destroy the entire universe! < 1392473749 590425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah__: the destroy_the_universe function is implemented so as to be able to quantum bogosort, I take it? < 1392473759 165035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because the name's long enough to avoid hash collisions < 1392473760 817787 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would certainly be nice < 1392473776 256525 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum bogosort sounds like a good test program for my quantum computer < 1392473790 148502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(PHP's original hash function was mostly based on strlen) < 1392473797 137534 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a quantum befunge kind of thing would go well with my recent learning of object oriented things < 1392473849 210992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge is OO? < 1392473862 94662 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I can't be arsed to write it entirely in C < 1392473929 418671 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll just try some particle beams, quantum gates and detectors < 1392474371 396848 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I wonder if I can also work in some less artificial quantum states < 1392474372 64822 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1392474383 737308 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like just defining an actual wavefunction in a box < 1392474910 493596 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1392475305 782363 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :every instruction gives a superposition of 2-10 types of undefined behavior < 1392475368 362006 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually know if php is notorious for undefined behavior; instead, perhaps the instructions give a superposition of different behavior just because they provide so many built-in functions they run out of words < 1392475481 160002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1392476485 731488 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1392476732 743672 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1392476752 233906 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu NICK :Guest30609 < 1392476785 316694 :Guest30609!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu NICK :augur_ < 1392477234 200706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1392477367 377571 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1392477370 61025 :password2!~password@197.78.182.152 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1392477400 745134 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392479121 822123 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1392479291 881015 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1392479293 714056 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1392480401 936000 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1392482554 483479 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1392482776 914284 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1392482812 452582 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392483080 116647 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1392484950 535561 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_: exactly < 1392485143 976057 :nisstyre_!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1392485760 743216 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1392485784 268129 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu NICK :Guest66977 < 1392486629 752810 :nisstyre_!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1392486644 42823 :nisstyre_!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1392487043 264440 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392487247 645482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1392488435 952017 :Guest66977!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1392488452 914908 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1392488581 820313 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1392489000 556832 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1392489806 397780 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1392489810 334226 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racketers are having trouble understanding fmap not in terms of 'elements' < 1392489817 206973 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of a sequence < 1392490014 413416 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn racketers < 1392490088 864943 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1392490278 122335 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1392490460 835958 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Client Quit < 1392490477 849025 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1392490763 596029 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Racket doesn't have a fmap that works on, say, functions? < 1392490877 820694 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many non-Haskell languages do you know provide a generic map that is as generic as Haskell's fmap? < 1392490911 470066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scala prolly < 1392490913 837928 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1392490915 654900 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeicoin arbokucoin unreacoin thisesocoin haylcoin wakecoin nahcoin @!coin regxcoin limbcoin catemprocoin impcoin bulocoin pouilcoin symespeaseacoin nancoin ver2coin mailcoin fanjcoin treadacoin < 1392490930 456387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nancoin < 1392490962 353333 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: person tried to derive count based on fmap. When I asked what happens when used on a function, they said that fmap should not be lazy < 1392490969 92754 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket logs are public < 1392490980 906637 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : (fmap f c) should call f over every element in c before returning < 1392490981 95972 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : if it doesn't and calls f later, f may be called in a different dynamic environment < 1392490981 284858 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : for certain functions this would change the behavior, i.e. one that wrote to standard out < 1392490995 985277 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is after I attempted to describe fmap) < 1392491024 561249 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's count? < 1392491034 444055 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same as length, but generic? < 1392491045 202007 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't do that with fmap < 1392491070 851290 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be e.g., not i.e.. that's what's important here < 1392491073 189735 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: e tried to, by passing fmap a function to imperatively update a variable < 1392491260 317220 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 945 < 1392491260 920193 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 945: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily < 1392491509 550328 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, I somehow forgot to read 944 entirely < 1392492123 902324 :luserdroog!636c1b05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.108.27.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392492133 566207 :M1chael!~Michael_@162.219.176.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392492259 584836 :M1chael!~Michael_@162.219.176.98 QUIT :Client Quit < 1392492281 874532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_: This is a late response, but I don't know if the standard starting position of chess is optimal or not. You can play with random setups if you like. < 1392492352 927398 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm half convinced that the whole functor thing is kind of a red herring < 1392492490 886730 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol qntm now has a new comment box that basically tells you the answer for the hint < 1392492570 942272 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1392492590 914268 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1392492611 764678 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1392493292 442270 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.twitch.tv/twitchplayspokemon < 1392493330 505688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist, more like whoalist < 1392493651 725925 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392493753 860043 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1392493765 303245 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1392493776 747943 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392494053 703490 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1392494097 747032 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: indeed < 1392494098 573687 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1392494113 767569 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wikitravel.org/en/Hell_%28Hades%29 < 1392494569 160031 :password2!~password@197.78.182.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392495446 211064 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1392495572 13684 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1392496384 750696 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1392496799 317172 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the SEP article on neutral monism is quite long < 1392496805 276945 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't quite understand why there are so many things to say about it < 1392496811 593692 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess this is what philosophers do for a living, though < 1392496820 326869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, I think so. < 1392496846 173936 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why, I can understand that philosophy can involve a lot of things to say about something. < 1392496861 624763 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1392496861 813884 :nisstyre_!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1392496862 911835 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, there really is many things to say about it, but also many things to think about it, too! < 1392496887 105283 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1392496888 778425 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1392496909 667212 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1392497591 89783 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1392498158 192701 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1392498179 156505 :password2!~password@197.78.182.152 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1392499524 850074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1392499526 447554 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dotercoin shakercoin libergeomcoin polispcoin cobullcoin cusiccoin parnecoin closopcoin aawacoin ballecoin deliticoin sockcoin oftcoin adgoibcoin ylolmcoin toadsknowellocoin foberwmcoin lesscoin gingcoin ycoin < 1392499549 345588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :neutralmonismcoin < 1392499880 998156 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1392500104 701176 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lpzstnjzjybwvrbb QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1392500906 545989 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-etzpegfmrfzurlcv JOIN :#esoteric < 1392501128 622067 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392501315 844577 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1392501330 531610 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai pplz < 1392501355 924159 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION programs his calculator
< 1392501391 2101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi JWinslow23 < 1392501405 433385 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, kmc < 1392501413 981835 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1392501415 688344 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Been a while since I've been here last. < 1392501421 254512 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, last year? < 1392501513 526925 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey JWinslow23. < 1392501526 373425 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, tswett. < 1392501569 639206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: grep says you visited briefly on 2014-01-12. < 1392501583 678099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Before that, 2013-10-30.) < 1392501587 644788 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not for an esoteric distussion. < 1392501590 674994 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cussion < 1392501626 559454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a calculator programming discussion, apparently. < 1392501644 750495 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, to tell you all that I'm going off the grid. < 1392501648 61412 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And onto another. < 1392501655 656778 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, I'm just bored, is all. < 1392501667 559265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you've joined ##calculators, then. (Disclaimer: channel might not exist.) < 1392501672 17608 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, what were the bots we had here, anyway? < 1392501679 841272 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, #omnimaga. < 1392501681 222269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's fungot. < 1392501681 420612 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and that's another matter) still have souls! cvs: there is a source file, so that we know about the < 1392501684 635024 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://omnomirc.www.omnimaga.org/ < 1392501718 868683 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot? Really? A close-paren without an open one? < 1392501733 643893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is above matching parentheses < 1392501733 833231 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i.. i ended up with fun round-trips to uucp-land like this on unix: celibacy. what useful protection! how nice to find a way < 1392501739 167694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Perl version balances punctuation. (For the Funge-98 version, it's still on the TODO list.) < 1392501755 412046 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, huh? < 1392501755 600943 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23: now how did that once and then come here to talk very much like c. < 1392501767 282317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1392501767 471155 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1392501784 980514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A couple of those aren't present, though. < 1392501789 44395 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine < 1392501816 936853 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know HackEgo is here; y u no quine? < 1392501819 525219 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/quine: 2: cd: can't cd to /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ ls: cannot access ????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory < 1392501835 638474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's having some... issues, related to a server move. < 1392501841 368476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missing the logs, for one thing. < 1392501868 350554 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define quine `quine < 1392501869 216414 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to connect to socket 2. \ \ Looking up 127.0.0.1:3128 \ Making HTTP connection to 127.0.0.1:3128 \ Sending HTTP request. \ HTTP request sent; waiting for response. \ Alert!: Unexpected network read error; connection aborted. \ Can't Access `http://google.com/search?q=define:%71%75%69%6e%65%20%60%71%75%69%6e%65' \ Alert!: Unable to access do < 1392501890 338552 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run paste `which define` < 1392501891 151816 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip//hackenv/bin/define < 1392501895 977517 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`type define < 1392501896 571839 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: type: not found < 1392501902 783710 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run type define < 1392501903 491945 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :define is /hackenv/bin/define < 1392501924 892714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the "use Google to define a word" thing, also broken due to the web proxy not being in place. < 1392501930 997185 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1392501938 623927 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I wanna define a command. < 1392501989 316966 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is unix < 1392502022 394813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd probably write a script in bin/x, then. But I'm not sure replacing bin/quine would be necessary, I'm sure the logs will come back some day. < 1392502041 39578 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1392502041 782147 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1392502072 153688 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`JWinslow23 < 1392502072 770840 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: JWinslow23: not found < 1392502094 198106 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I used to be "someone who doesn't give a BF" at one point. < 1392502131 17012 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bc < 1392502131 454124 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? JWinslow23 < 1392502131 643413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's part of the learndb thing. < 1392502132 95468 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23 is a Wisconsinite who doesn't give a BF. < 1392502147 489202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quine < 1392502148 244841 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`? quine < 1392502154 339613 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1392502161 479733 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1392502163 848338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That still works. < 1392502177 95588 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uname -a < 1392502177 792181 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.13.0-umlbox #1 Wed Jan 29 12:56:45 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1392502179 565552 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn JWinslow23 is not here. < 1392502181 237659 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1392502181 460530 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /proc/self/uid_map < 1392502182 76349 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /proc/self/uid_map: No such file or directory < 1392502191 529855 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? JWinslow23 < 1392502192 256107 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JWinslow23 is not here. < 1392502198 355404 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HEY, PUT USER NAMESPACES ON HackEgo RIGHT THE FUCK IMMEDIATELY thanks < 1392502225 469443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we need to be yelling < 1392502231 610359 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1392502238 957053 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The places where 'the fuck' could be used continues to surprise me < 1392502239 452450 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES. < 1392502242 463122 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, no. < 1392502250 154932 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL CAPS IS A VIRTUE. < 1392502257 726676 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD. < 1392502319 465632 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O NOES! < 1392502378 902184 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: well, I guess the fuck it is an expletive. < 1392502400 364713 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course the fuck, you can't just stick it anywhere. < 1392502405 728017 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You f****** said it, ya f*****. < 1392502430 764888 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you put it before the fuck *any* stressed word? < 1392502432 61643 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you said the f*** it. < 1392502441 474875 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks the fuck like no. < 1392502443 634151 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The f*** YES! < 1392502488 604036 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can put the fuck it after any verb. Nope. But you the fuck can say "Maybe you can put it the fuck after any verb". < 1392502504 121565 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fuck before any prepositional phrase, perhaps? < 1392502514 722958 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.ourl.ca/TwitterGrammarCheck1 < 1392502518 91068 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I've seen a blog post about this.. < 1392502519 689049 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have the ability to go through time, I suddenly remembered while the fuck at a bus stop the fuck near a tree." < 1392502532 905924 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean: < 1392502533 635238 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.ourl.ca/TwitterGrammarCheck1.png < 1392502586 296192 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I wonder what my h*** is?" < 1392502595 137756 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1392502610 348517 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, http://douglemoine.com/english-sentences-without-overt-grammatical-subjects/ < 1392502613 882007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1392502614 557159 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Thanks, @PurpleNewBlack < 1392502614 918583 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it is < 1392502784 53751 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, gotta go. < 1392502791 514617 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See ya! < 1392502898 383315 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evening < 1392503563 908522 :JWinslow23!411e34fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.30.52.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1392504063 855429 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1392504096 69864 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.kickstarter.com/blog/important-kickstarter-security-notice he he < 1392504659 78339 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1392504911 695307 :blotter!~blotter@184-157-11-33.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1392505416 870189 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My copy of Purely Functional Data Structures arrived :D < 1392505563 743926 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1392506452 669777 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1392506483 321642 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1392506489 328487 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1392506668 139779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1392506880 218496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1392507080 610271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : <-- well since an impure language cannot really distinguish between the haskell concepts "fmap" and "traverse in the IO monad", he probably can, in a sense. < 1392507084 783623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1392507094 982221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : * FreeFull: e tried to, by passing fmap a function to imperatively update a variable < 1392507104 965517 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna traverse the fuck out of this shit < 1392507145 274528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ \*/*+/ < 1392507183 854474 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan. did i miss anything good when my server hung? < 1392507240 254381 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It feels wrong though ): < 1392507254 588169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: THAT'S IMPURE LANGUAGES FOR YOU < 1392507264 359107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no idea, i just joined < 1392507268 3850 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :death to the impure < 1392507409 42170 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : /* this function traverses in the io monad */ < 1392507413 855656 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine doing the same in Haskell with unsafePerformIO < 1392507425 224937 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to sequence all the elements of the list though < 1392507434 876489 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good < 1392507453 812925 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously nothing interesting happened before you arrived < 1392507461 520786 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which requires a fold anyway < 1392507483 760343 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'd need a generic Foldable anyway, and by that point a non-pure solution doesn't make sense anyway < 1392507505 604083 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : /* this is a join for a monoid in the category of endofunctors */ < 1392507514 532045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well you're not subscribed to the `olist anyway < 1392507572 406672 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. is that all that happened? < 1392507581 449351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's as far as i've got yet < 1392507610 900269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sense a significant number of further log lines in the scrollbar, though < 1392507667 1096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why i am i speaking like vaarsuvius < 1392507701 816309 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1392508345 108329 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1392508482 920251 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you haven't comitted familicide recently, have you?