< 1393114182 491819 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1393114339 278864 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1393114340 686594 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1393114358 999071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there clearly should be more std*s to choose among < 1393114455 363341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shikhin: i suppose you could branch out to c header file names < 1393114631 714960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : nothing like washing the dishes to singe off a few skin layers on your fingers... <-- i see two options (1) use less boily water (2) use gloves < 1393114738 221621 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1393114739 146641 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1393114950 871850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite splitty today. i am reading codu and tunes logs in parallel. tunes managed to pick up some of Sgeo's lines twice. < 1393115008 841269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then tunes leaves off for hours. < 1393115019 761381 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1393115224 772193 :nisstyre_!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1393115265 299264 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1393115296 657656 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :la la la < 1393115567 433283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mi mi mi < 1393115830 68976 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session JOIN :#esoteric < 1393115835 667205 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooo < 1393115839 12808 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is s o < 1393115841 857429 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric < 1393115851 374305 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Node_492 < 1393115858 111517 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you! < 1393115863 151441 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. No bot. < 1393115868 944802 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1393115872 372737 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1393115898 722567 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting channel < 1393115906 721786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he didn't mean you but our welcoming bot < 1393115922 861240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1393115926 945141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^welcome < 1393115927 130464 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try ... < 1393115927 478203 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1393115944 534832 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh it's esoteric programming language design... < 1393115966 448494 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really got into computer programming < 1393115968 557435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right we tried putting a backup message on fungot but it's cutting the line too short < 1393115968 981632 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if so, call this command with that person's nick. :) hopefully i can get freedom by spending some extra ram i'm all for that < 1393115991 617207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it works for desperate times < 1393116000 299397 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1393116004 388681 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: the bot would have said: "Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)", but with way too many colors. < 1393116033 308406 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah thank you < 1393116052 2953 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought this channel was going to be about esoteric discussion/texts < 1393116067 27124 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh. I have to remember that fungot knows about this, too. < 1393116067 428595 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there is a complete waste of time. i just used the manpage on linux), so that's 1+0, or 1 week the other way < 1393116098 129053 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again, redundancy hardly ever hurts. then again, redundancy hardly ever hurts. < 1393116102 61000 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It saddens me that it seems the only thing I care about enough to actually get into an argument about is whether redstone is TC or not < 1393116146 721311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hm you must be another one of my mirror twins. < 1393116162 40967 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, which side do you take < 1393116201 962992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i don't play minecraft, but doesn't redstone have bounded memory? < 1393116223 483234 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, which nobody else seems to grasp < 1393116258 783720 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've gotten into tc arguments elsewhere lately < 1393116261 653298 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody want to teach me programming? < 1393116267 829698 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that time it was the human brain, which was just sad < 1393116268 51528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notices that fungot < 1393116268 274525 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm not talking about syntax now...) sends " fnord" this'? < 1393116268 883397 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I promise to be a great pupil < 1393116275 734519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s message was eerily relevant < 1393116280 202943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(again) < 1393116280 395048 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: What programs, and what programming languages? < 1393116280 579919 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :33 < 1393116290 267586 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the waste of time one? < 1393116290 873732 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492, ok your first lesson as a programmer < 1393116293 392498 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea I mean the most basic I suppose < 1393116305 632475 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am interested in audio programs though < 1393116307 912646 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :your primary way of learning to program is to google " tutorial" < 1393116310 784864 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I'm an audio engineer for my day job < 1393116318 302933 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and deal with audio plugin VSTs within DAWs < 1393116319 824987 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :for computers < 1393116325 988736 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and could make a good amount of money off of those < 1393116343 255414 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :often these tutorials will be shit and inaccurate; your second lesson in a programmer is how to furiously defend whatever arbitrary preferences and habits you've now picked up < 1393116348 632463 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: wow. it works for malbolge. http://www.lscheffer.com/malbolge.shtml < 1393116367 962939 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but I'm on a mac, would learning to program really benefit my life? < 1393116381 305922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1393116382 564763 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, you're the one who wants to learn! < 1393116387 772530 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1393116394 360263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming is unpleasant and programmers moreso < 1393116396 191333 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn to program, be like elliott < 1393116399 118699 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't I just learn some fun tricks in the terminal or something < 1393116402 634851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1393116423 430236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no the one about "call this command with that person's nick", which is just what i forgot to do with ^welcome < 1393116424 790063 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming doesn't have to be a drag does it? < 1393116432 6104 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun tricks in the terminal are the gateway drug to programming! < 1393116437 99029 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1393116449 474935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mind you that would have just cut it off even more) < 1393116477 554758 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do you guys do for programming? < 1393116480 652869 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :websites? < 1393116496 366544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I program in many programming languages. < 1393116508 92748 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1393116511 399027 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I were to say < 1393116516 243134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: your programming question seems to have brought out the channel's cynics :P < 1393116516 729578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can list some if you want < 1393116523 893461 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you try to get a blockchain.info account code and password < 1393116533 805636 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be possible for you? < 1393116538 646130 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1393116547 410665 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you asking us to hack someone's bitcoin account < 1393116556 975860 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: I don't think so. < 1393116559 239959 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking if your programming skills coule do it < 1393116561 213070 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1393116569 124006 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I can't even get an account password and shit < 1393116583 23203 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :then this programming thing is just pebble bits < 1393116586 105948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: you seem to be confused about what programming is for < 1393116595 147582 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :like would any of you guys be able to program for my computer to shut off < 1393116599 84411 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :remotely from your location? < 1393116616 804390 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1393116618 216667 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1393116621 424001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: What operating system do you use? In order to do that, I would not only need to know the operating system but your computer needs to run a program to listen for that command. < 1393116632 763057 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1393116634 573160 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :most probably not, if not for some social engineering < 1393116642 776843 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no way to get into my terminal and make it install itself? < 1393116651 766415 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492, you will literally die if you don't turn off your computer asap < 1393116657 333746 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1393116659 500513 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1393116662 545217 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: There *might* me. < 1393116667 813131 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1393116670 83757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends how it is configured. < 1393116670 637689 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay fine < 1393116672 568580 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :so programming < 1393116679 745241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But probably not. < 1393116689 3326 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :say I want a program that picks up sound frequencies and tells me what key the tone is in < 1393116693 163592 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :would any of you guys be able to do it < 1393116696 390951 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I paid money < 1393116708 727567 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: Does your computer have a microphone? < 1393116717 225496 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes I have microphones < 1393116720 998905 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :that connect to my computer < 1393116722 695179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there probably are existing programs to do that anyways. < 1393116727 969181 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I know < 1393116743 821350 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trying to see if I can do anything with programming < 1393116744 859659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably could if I researched it enough < 1393116750 41307 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1393116759 762359 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I mean... < 1393116775 977772 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming is the #1 job market next to lawyers and engineers < 1393116787 70913 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just pretty interesting to me < 1393116796 544148 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought programming was a bit more powerful < 1393116804 204049 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I thought hacking was easier < 1393116805 557963 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :either or < 1393116821 602866 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not completely understand you. Powerful in what ways? < 1393116836 231292 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, buzz-wordy. "Most modern spectrum analyzers are now almost exclusively Hybrid Superheterodyne-FFT based giving a significant improvement in sweep time." < 1393116840 903856 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the best programmer in ze world < 1393116848 948029 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Superheterodyne! < 1393116854 2734 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :would they be able to shut off internet servers remotely < 1393116858 93690 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything cool like that? < 1393116870 463644 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that all fake and you actually would have to have physical access to the servers < 1393116870 905700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not "cool" hth < 1393116871 771272 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: it's not cool. they might, but where's the fun? < 1393116874 34668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: It depends what they have access to. < 1393116886 375819 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if they have access to the whereabouts of the secret princess < 1393116904 609426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't something I know anything about. < 1393116912 608086 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :33 < 1393116954 611146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: i don't care about hacking or other criminal activities, so i've never bothered to learn any more than vague theory about it. i'm sure many people here on the channel are the same. < 1393116968 453575 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright so < 1393116968 691594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I read 2600. < 1393116976 924958 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's something cool you could do with programming < 1393116986 554423 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could do stuff like automate the sprinkler times < 1393116987 808457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no interest in committing any crimes, but the information can be used for other purposes too. < 1393116992 315939 :eupatheia!~SapereAud@unaffiliated/tempo/x-9563005 JOIN :#esoteric < 1393116996 800414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: Yes, if it is connected to a sprinkler. < 1393117003 308203 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trying to understand it's usefulness < 1393117011 634455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise you can't do it anymore than you can shut off a server remotely. < 1393117013 735293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever used a computer? < 1393117016 917345 :eupatheia!~SapereAud@unaffiliated/tempo/x-9563005 PART :#esoteric < 1393117019 459781 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1393117026 203879 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. < 1393117030 659346 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you from the past < 1393117031 580561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just trolling, right? < 1393117034 983339 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1393117039 267572 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only 16 < 1393117041 944077 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a smartphone < 1393117047 23256 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :as that's what my generation got < 1393117054 139099 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a computer < 1393117058 279787 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine < 1393117082 244275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smartphones aren't as good as a proper computer < 1393117082 858263 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a computing device, if you will. but for all intents and purposes, it's a universal machine running software, that is, programs.) < 1393117094 2146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes it is a computer. < 1393117096 591543 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not universal < 1393117097 353988 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :your version string reports OS X < 1393117103 770460 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're definitely using a computer right now < 1393117106 328596 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the downside is that vendors will lock it down and make it hard to run your own software on.) < 1393117109 795105 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm at the mac store < 1393117119 105554 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting my phone fixed right now < 1393117122 598394 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had weird issues < 1393117126 261560 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would shut it down < 1393117138 132375 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I thought maybe learning a bit of programming would help future events like that < 1393117155 844241 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :most probably not < 1393117160 78312 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will not < 1393117174 994891 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1393117182 493873 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :so say I learned all the programming in the world < 1393117191 439322 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :would I theoretically be able to make my own smartphone OS < 1393117191 625033 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really doesn't. Even if you have a better understanding of what's going wrong, you'll still be locked out. (And generally you'll be unable to collect the necessary information, again for lack of access to the device.) < 1393117195 421343 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Apps < 1393117203 547134 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1393117211 369009 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmers write operating systems and apps. < 1393117218 909540 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is CTCP version < 1393117228 192731 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thanks int-e < 1393117228 777493 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not found written on stone tablets < 1393117232 794539 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1393117270 698355 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is requested ctcp version from node_492 < 1393117274 605105 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CTCP" is "client-to-client protocol", a method for encoding queries to IRC clients on top of IRC messages. < 1393117289 605171 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's elliot trying to do...? < 1393117306 245543 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody was interested in your IRC client software, and asked it about it. nothing happened, it's normal. < 1393117327 35266 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1393117329 971301 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1393117341 988787 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I work as a audio forensics person < 1393117344 835304 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like reading a name plate on a door bell. < 1393117355 815910 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we have technology at our base that allows us to do some wicked stuff < 1393117361 615356 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought programmers were savvy on it < 1393117389 287656 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I can take out certain frequencies/sounds from an audio source and isolate it < 1393117389 473598 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :some are < 1393117404 855621 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :some programmers are. programmers specialize. and of course some are better at what they are doing than others. < 1393117415 367820 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1393117485 410130 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd implement some sort of band filter. I've never needed one, so I'd hit google with those keywords. (I know it can be done with FFT, but that's probably overkill in this case.) < 1393117544 240678 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I already know how to do it < 1393117552 159604 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have software specifically for audio forensics < 1393117559 776446 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just wondering how hard it is to make my own < 1393117569 789957 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : I work as a audio forensics person < 1393117569 975401 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably need 3 years of learning and a 10 man team < 1393117573 214094 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're sixteen < 1393117579 330394 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1393117590 311945 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intern at my friends studio < 1393117602 378339 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1393117619 635153 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you guys give me an audio file I can prove my skillz < 1393117710 991381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: i'd think once you know basic programming, the hard part of audio forensics is learning the mathematical theory of sound waves. < 1393117730 274870 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's algorithms already though < 1393117741 894580 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the funamentals of tone and frequency are all in textbooks < 1393117742 313863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, those are of course based on the math. < 1393117768 217994 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1393117773 817971 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my field < 1393117785 223389 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've been doing this new thing called circuitry emulation < 1393117792 927514 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :where we take an old vintage analog piece of hardware < 1393117799 59161 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we model it's behaviors < 1393117806 45510 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :through convultion and many other means < 1393117812 623550 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and create a software version of the hardware < 1393117830 836530 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hey, I was going to suggest that I could simulate an actual band pass filter circuit, then erased that remark.) < 1393117839 320867 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they do it by hardware that picks up the vintage gear's mathmatics < 1393117858 883434 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no < 1393117863 961160 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do that with a simple equalizer < 1393117877 844242 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, what I was getting at is < 1393117890 360392 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there hardware/gear that helps programmers out < 1393117905 612873 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :by say, figuring out equations for them and whatnot that they might need within their programming < 1393117910 508342 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides a calculator I suppose < 1393118037 231246 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, perhaps things like the signal processing toolbox for matlab (is there some open source software like that?) < 1393118051 326271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my impression is _most_ programmers (i'm not actually a professional one) do web programming, which doesn't require much equations. < 1393118072 618286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and is also probably boring.) < 1393118167 176500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Octave's got some of MATLAB's filter design bits implemented. < 1393118180 11423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm sure there are programmers in the world that have used Mathematica. < 1393118185 453259 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1393118200 437531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do apple stores really use what looks like residential ADSL for their internet connections? < 1393118226 741458 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes < 1393118231 776024 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not an official mac store < 1393118232 6341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes? < 1393118236 852532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1393118237 37533 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a repair shop in the city < 1393118246 552776 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine that starting with something high-level that offers, say, filters that can be plugged together, and then exploring the internals of a filter and writing your own, will be far less frustrating than starting from the bottom, where anything more complex than a 'hello world!' will be a challenge initially. < 1393118259 362774 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the matlabs filter design and signal processing is EXACTLY what I was looking for < 1393118261 74200 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you!! < 1393118262 914129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are third-partyi Phone repair shops? < 1393118271 987200 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true < 1393118284 4172 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have a mac store in edinburgh, we have some 3rd-party place < 1393118284 326587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which don't void apple's warranty? < 1393118294 803455 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might void it < 1393118298 584088 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1393118313 580545 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, not sure if it's coincidence that I managed to reconnect after adding chat.freenode.net:6667 and making the chat.freenode.net:7000 config use SSL < 1393118317 717082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If you keep quiet about it. < 1393118317 902495 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The successful connection seems to have been to 6665, which it was alraedy trying to go to < 1393118319 924697 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And SASL didn't seem like it was helping before < 1393118358 763613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "I don't know why there's a rude message scratched into the internal components of the phone, it must've been like that when it left the factory." < 1393118363 55870 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: a coincidence is likely, since chat.freenode.net resolves to several IP addresses. < 1393118397 364999 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any of you guys use DAWs with VSTs/AUs? < 1393118402 501119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is true that freenode's 7000 is SSL-only, though. < 1393118415 636147 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm, but it could be worth checking whether some of the servers listen to non-6667 ports only) < 1393118416 524237 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all programming and probably one of the most popular up and coming sectors of programming < 1393118461 261991 :TodPunk!~Tod@c-71-199-36-196.hsd1.ut.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1393118514 476251 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"digital audio workstation", "virtual studio technology", "audio unit". No. < 1393118552 793837 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Csound. < 1393118562 173400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not with VST, DAW, and AU, though. < 1393118562 950444 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, I feel like crap < 1393118576 824936 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah < 1393118581 700452 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but I don't seem to be connected to 7000 < 1393118582 721603 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound looks interesting < 1393118585 361262 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might download it < 1393118601 35099 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooo < 1393118615 789815 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is Csound almost like a sound modulator that you can program? < 1393118619 298400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wrote extensions to Csound, and a program CsoundMML to compile the score. < 1393118647 362255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION guesses on "almost, except not almost" < 1393118676 933720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are quite a few "audio programming languages" around. Pure Data is another well-known one. < 1393118682 729626 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1393118684 575882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for some values of "well known". < 1393118695 775057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the "I've heard of it" sense.) < 1393118700 635262 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :so say I get good at coding in one of these programs < 1393118702 362491 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what? < 1393118720 140972 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make programs for other people to use or something < 1393118723 228621 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1393118830 476221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guesstimate that most users of Csound/Pd are just doing music-y things for their own amusement. < 1393118872 312373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or sound-related research, could be handy tools there too. < 1393118881 584300 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1393118916 142572 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :so programming is difficult in my opinion without a GUI < 1393118919 488150 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it sounds retarded < 1393118923 918498 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :but coming from the layman < 1393118941 108835 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming things would be so much better if they had GUIs < 1393118959 807062 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer it without a GUI, but that is due to preference < 1393118980 972198 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just hate the whole < 1393118987 940972 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't undo/go back type thing < 1393118991 515278 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe you can < 1393119029 988559 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of those 1-2-3 things: 1. learn programming. 2. ... 3. profit! < 1393119058 261461 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any of you guys earn money from programming < 1393119058 978627 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1393119069 96888 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather make a living? < 1393119074 405912 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the meantime, programmers who know a bit of C can laught about https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhEuZKmCcAAcPAS.png < 1393119086 228895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Now that I look at it, Octave-Forge's "signal" package seems to have grown to cover a lot more of MATLAB compared to what it used to. < 1393119086 949204 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you even approach people for jobs < 1393119128 287262 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey int-e, that's not a stab at me is it?? < 1393119149 776539 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :companies have websites. say, https://www.apple.com/jobs/us/ < 1393119155 662219 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, so that works out as a goto fail that will always be executed, right? < 1393119167 432766 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: no. < 1393119170 306268 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: yes! < 1393119174 559792 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1393119185 333419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I'm sure Python people are already using this as a proof for their superiority. < 1393119222 944756 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: interesting. < 1393119228 220799 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1393119288 681762 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1393119309 117661 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: The point of the 1-2-3 thing is really that there are many ways in which programming may come in handy. You can work as a programmer, you can do consulting, you can do something entirely different and automate a couple of data processing tasks. You can program for others, or you can make tools for yourself. It's hard to say which is the way to go. < 1393119331 924926 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1393119332 109969 :Guest80757!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1393119332 110156 :LoRdToLsToI!filo3sofie@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-zxvucydekrajhksj JOIN :#esoteric < 1393119352 887058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you get indentation-does-not-match-logic warnings out of any mainstream compiler and/or lint tool? < 1393119364 451920 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1393119386 608913 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda want to get into it but it seems a bit too daunting < 1393119394 660277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm sure something like StyleCop would've just generally warned about the lack of braces or something.) < 1393119449 142225 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh http://www.stylecop.com/docs/SA1503.html yes it would have.) < 1393119516 621524 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any of you guys know about an esoterica IRC channel < 1393119521 378603 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: That is certainly true. Then again, learning anything in more than superficial detail is daunting. < 1393119531 742704 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes of course < 1393119543 198553 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the notion of programming on a black screen with no GUI < 1393119544 819940 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like < 1393119553 148283 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :asking the hottest cheerleader out at school < 1393119557 362254 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to do that. < 1393119565 215564 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[my terminals are black on white ;-) ...] < 1393119570 145157 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1393119584 182295 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so through programming in the terminal < 1393119588 196658 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can create GUIs right? < 1393119592 835983 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1393119605 218642 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I were to start programming and create a GUI for my own programming thing < 1393119607 969799 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can use it easier < 1393119630 38726 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :buttons so I don't have to type out long commands < 1393119631 838759 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1393119632 548966 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use existing guis. < 1393119639 691152 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1393119649 705329 :ggherdov!sid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1393119851 13390 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1393119856 50143 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time I was in IIRC < 1393119864 376160 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made fun of some guy < 1393119873 261570 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he fucking throttled my internet connection for MONTHS < 1393119883 454576 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :god that was fucking horrible < 1393119914 241663 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1393119947 752803 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1393119971 27216 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1393119971 212299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1393120424 6336 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1393120470 517427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : do any of you guys know about an esoterica IRC channel <-- the end of our welcoming message which got cut off mentions #esoteric on the dalnet network, which is sort of where we've agreed to point people who ask (we haven't found any better channel). although last i heard it was very quiet. < 1393120508 93084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may also be interested in roald dahl < 1393120538 813258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don < 1393120558 948636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers and swats shachaf -----### < 1393120562 712861 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just ask whatever questions you have here; maybe nobody knows, but they are recorded so you can look later < 1393120603 947735 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1393120614 584760 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah I just wanted to have a discussion on stuff other than programming < 1393120622 623999 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came onto IIRC to just socialize < 1393120624 457267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm not sure that's a very good idea. < 1393120630 744626 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I forgot that it's mainly programmers talking to each other < 1393120637 259591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is mainly programming < 1393120642 278083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we do discuss various things here. < 1393120648 647049 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1393120650 459993 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1393120650 645454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably nobody knows the answer though < 1393120657 504701 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once made a GUI for xmms2 in kommander < 1393120657 689937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So better idea would be to look elsewhere < 1393120660 306969 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any questions really < 1393120661 11528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: you are on the freenode IRC network. it is even more mainly programmers than other irc networks. < 1393120661 196836 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code was ugly < 1393120663 632224 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: it's IRC, "Internet Relay Chat. "IIRC" is "if I remember correctly". < 1393120686 397217 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1393120694 51633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Freenode is mainly programming < 1393120701 987932 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is the different between IRC and IIRC < 1393120705 454877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There was a quote missing.) < 1393120714 544509 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is three letters. the other one has four. < 1393120721 769368 :ggherdov!sid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov JOIN :#esoteric < 1393120730 163929 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :enlightening! < 1393120739 722795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,IRC < 1393120750 214327 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (irc,iirc) = (0,1) in irc == iirc < 1393120753 27714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1393120753 215624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: irc is a way to chat. iirc is an abbreviation to use while chatting. hth < 1393120762 510573 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1393120767 466122 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1393120811 394095 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "hth" dnh, I suspect :) < 1393120836 560957 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the irc everybody uses for discussion/socializing? < 1393120841 218645 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :dalnet? < 1393120848 649606 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends what you want to discuss. < 1393120863 21648 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1393120871 675095 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trying to find interesting stuff < 1393120878 97164 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and interesting people < 1393120886 572794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: imo you cannot be right hth < 1393120894 526007 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there is interesting stuff in this channel, but I don't know if it interests you or not. < 1393120900 565769 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit/4chan and all those bought out travistock operations are becoming mind numbingly bad like the six o' clock news < 1393120925 109452 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's sobering. I thought I had a chance of being right on occasion. < 1393120937 645674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: reddit isn't so bad if you find a medium low size channel < 1393120947 684848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the big ones that are truly crap < 1393120951 826736 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but then it becomes so specialized < 1393120958 27908 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't talk about anything BUT that topic < 1393120962 866382 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it becomes very vanilla < 1393120981 796687 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I googled dalnet irc < 1393120987 14285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah alas the best subreddits are the ones that are strictly on topic < 1393120987 199418 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :but none of the links work < 1393120999 238458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: irc.dal.net supposedly < 1393121005 90970 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but that defeats the whole purpose of general discussion/socialization < 1393121024 716234 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it's cool for strict discussions < 1393121032 725497 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not a great place to just chat < 1393121039 210223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :General discussion/socialization isn't the best idea; better to ask a specific question. < 1393121044 775930 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1393121061 214127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never looked much to places for general chat so i don't know how to find the good ones if they exist < 1393121072 685989 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is < 1393121081 929793 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been looking for years since usernet < 1393121087 936596 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they've all gotten shut down < 1393121104 64833 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :or moved onto private invite only message boards < 1393121111 523606 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :that become super elitist < 1393121117 117328 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :private social boards < 1393121119 758498 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah blah < 1393121148 557740 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the plebs are left on reddit/facebook and the content from it is ruining my brain < 1393121246 759500 :nooodl_!~nooodl@81.241.157.18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1393121309 914528 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc.dalnet is down < 1393121312 696840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, reddit is the closest thing i know to usenet as it was < 1393121369 10635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But are there NNTP servers for Reddit? < 1393121437 520779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's not what i mean by "closest", i mean socially, not technically. < 1393121454 422798 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1393121456 607037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1393121461 773116 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys are so caught up on the technical stuff < 1393121469 579969 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :take it easy < 1393121479 690226 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy? < 1393121485 446117 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1393121489 8485 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAKE IT EASY < 1393121489 776722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1393121500 8273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is impossible. < 1393121519 574480 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have yet to understand the yin and yang < 1393121531 627013 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :without balance you will be leading a life of self destruction < 1393121531 812554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know yin and yang a bit < 1393121547 42455 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. We are really not into that sort of esoterics. < 1393121559 872906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: curiously, zzo38 is probably the one on this channel who knows most about astrology, despite not believing in it. < 1393121563 787677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know some things of yin and yang < 1393121570 240402 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1393121578 786289 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about astrology < 1393121582 9062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's my fault too. < 1393121583 658147 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody want me to read them? < 1393121589 515843 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read what? < 1393121594 916086 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :natal charts! < 1393121616 716903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i once made a web page with a horoscope for a game i played, with a link to astrolog software) < 1393121616 902503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't have any intention for you to read any natal charts at least < 1393121620 839433 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody into the works of Carl Jung? < 1393121629 192009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard of Carl Jung. < 1393121638 575707 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :great stuff would you agree? < 1393121638 760772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: i used to be a little < 1393121657 242982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't agree or disagree, since I haven't much other than heard of it. < 1393121668 669522 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see < 1393121671 881338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, and I wanted to learn what all of the lines and symbols meant. Now I know. < 1393121673 612555 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar LOWI < 1393121674 221677 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 230150Z AUTO 27003KT 9999 OVC070 M01/M02 Q1023 < 1393121696 869849 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo < 1393121702 911526 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want to read my natal chart for kicks? < 1393121708 752228 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, AUTO? < 1393121719 300329 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tell me what you think < 1393121727 781733 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: If you want; I don't really care. < 1393121734 772356 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1393121740 463369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want my opinion of it then of course that is the only way < 1393121743 423361 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on, I'll get the graph right now < 1393121745 442421 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, boring. "fully automated report" < 1393121760 407167 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I know that "Node" is an ascending lunar node, meaning intersection point on the ecliptic with the Moon's orbit < 1393121791 985338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I know what astrological signs mean, what house systems mean, and why it used a different symbol for Pluto than I was used to (I prefe the "PL" symbol though) < 1393121836 973377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And where the names "Tropic of Cancer" and "Tropic of Capricorn" come from. < 1393121850 528916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that before, and due to something oerjan wrote, I was curious and now I learned. < 1393121890 498773 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1393121891 312968 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo < 1393121893 493616 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.astro.com/tmpd/cbnlfile7a1elM-u1393121875/astro_w2gw_01_freenode492_3_hp.8276.28993.gif < 1393121897 703081 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me know what you think < 1393121932 169471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for one thing, it blows your claim to be 16 hth < 1393121961 477747 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think a 16 year old would know anything about carl jung? < 1393121978 76672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not if it isn't for your birth. < 1393121986 504891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, you do make a good point. < 1393121989 734279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, none of us really believed you were 16 but i find it funny nevertheless < 1393121998 804756 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1393122035 910377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although i remember a couple of ridiculously smart 16 year olds on the channel from before, right elliott) < 1393122036 115466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I prefer the Astrolog format (which is formatted a bit differently), but this works too. < 1393122054 80605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, Astrolog also calculates Julian day numbers. < 1393122063 344317 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1393122068 143374 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean < 1393122085 455616 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but knowing about usenet was too much. *g* < 1393122096 178371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh right i missed that clue < 1393122105 113219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, being 16 was one of the few things I believed that Node_492 said < 1393122110 147696 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1393122120 433873 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Julian day numbers are a form of timestamp where the day begins at noon in Greenwich. The reason for that is so that the day number doesn't change while observing the stars. < 1393122124 29103 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't even try to start discerning my fabrications < 1393122131 340757 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're following my 33 < 1393122144 23024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do undertsand everything on that chart you linked to < 1393122149 951997 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1393122152 769043 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think of it? < 1393122159 532040 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :personality wise < 1393122160 272378 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1393122189 725730 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it tells much personality wise. I am not an astrologer. < 1393122201 731072 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it tell you anything? < 1393122219 312317 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in the context of 'your moon is here' < 1393122227 931795 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I mean what information can you extract from it? < 1393122239 373482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can extract the phase of moon from it. < 1393122247 18508 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's in leo < 1393122265 420402 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I can see that. < 1393122277 864125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the phase of moon is the difference in ecliptic longitude between the sun and moon. < 1393122295 343047 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1393122296 250795 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1393122299 6224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks to be almost a full moon. < 1393122307 76437 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :what effect does that have? < 1393122327 793790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw those are a _lot_ of planets in capricorn. < 1393122359 973172 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1393122365 423359 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that uncommon? < 1393122365 628105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe it has an effect on personality, but not any I know of. It certainly has effects on lighting conditions, tides, etc. < 1393122378 72671 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1393122386 908593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see five objects in Capricorn. < 1393122395 510580 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was common < 1393122410 888844 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how common it is. I asked similar questions actually. < 1393122416 964532 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1393122424 653358 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo are you a capricorn? < 1393122429 222397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: well it would be common for anyone born around that time i guess < 1393122437 339078 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :right oerjan < 1393122444 13118 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I meant < 1393122450 605786 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the general populace I suppose < 1393122462 109456 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody want me to read their charts? < 1393122478 773989 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty good at it < 1393122488 937316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: I don't make that information public, nor do I care much. When I have the horoscope on my screen, I usually use the one for the current moment/place, which is more useful to me. < 1393122515 778951 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :could someone perhaps do ill with that information? < 1393122522 591845 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you just don't want anybody to know < 1393122541 837967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: I just don't want anybody to know. I don't really expect anyone can do ill with that information. < 1393122565 498360 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1393122581 389519 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is there any impression from the chart? < 1393122587 333098 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean you haven't really told me anything... < 1393122646 40583 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want that, you would have to ask a different channel with astrologers. I don't believe in all that stuff, so I can only tell you what it means in terms of positions, and how they affect mundane matters, such as phase of moon and so on. < 1393122654 580183 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And equinoxes and solstices. < 1393122664 704702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And rising and so on. < 1393122668 667096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like that. < 1393122701 582825 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :well do I have any significance in those aspects? < 1393122707 314268 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :equinoxes/solstices etc < 1393122758 766012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The equinoxes are when the Sun is at 0 Aries or 0 Libra. Solstices are when the Sun is at 0 Cancer or 0 Capricorn (these correspond to the tropics of the same names). I can see it isn't an equinox or solstice at the time charted. < 1393122769 221318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one thing i notice is your moon and sun are close to in opposition (not sure if they're in technical sense), which i vaguely recall means your emotions may be in conflict with your soul and true purpose hth < 1393122787 360118 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1393122788 506644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I noticed that too, which is why I said, it is almost a full moon. < 1393122797 282514 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :capricorns are said to be 'contradictory' < 1393122801 5229 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that makes perfect sense < 1393122802 950329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what sun-moon opposition means to *me*, at least. < 1393122818 500718 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :sun(father) and moon(mother) < 1393122841 801075 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I appreciate the technical aspects of it < 1393122848 325478 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm, what's the orientation of the chart, do the sun and moon move counterclockwise? < 1393122853 431522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :People have used these astrological interpretations to make up features of fictional characters/stories, and that is a perfectly legitimate use of it; if it is your story, do it whatever way you want. < 1393122856 251064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes. < 1393122864 531502 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1393122887 396831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other objects, since they don't orbit the Earth, sometimes go in the other direction. < 1393122906 888902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps with the other planets clustering close one could say that your emotions are in conflict with _several_ other aspects of your personality, which on the other hand fit together. < 1393122918 707886 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: tsk. what did you just say about the sun? :) < 1393122919 915642 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1393122940 727057 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but yes, that's why I asked about the sun and moon only. < 1393122951 299890 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I said the sun and moon move in the counterclockwise (which is positive) direction of the chart. < 1393122970 165770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "zero point" is the beginning of the "Aries" sign. < 1393122970 350875 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but the sun does not orbit Earth. < 1393122983 834941 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: though it's hard to tell the difference. < 1393122986 896520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, but the Earth orbits Sun, and using relative positions it works out the same way. < 1393123041 442065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used the horoscopes in my computer to calculate when is Chinese New Year, to calculate the exact times of equinoxes and solstices, to predict phases of moon and (to some degree) eclipses, and various things like that. < 1393123042 608 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1393123048 714953 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I know. I just can't help it, I must nitpick anyway. < 1393123049 124122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do a lot of things! < 1393123074 657461 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, anything else besides the contradictory thing? < 1393123079 458549 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I appreciate the feedback < 1393123081 622494 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes. I didn't actually say the Sun orbits the Earth; I only said that the other planets don't orbit the Earth. < 1393123097 977018 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't take it too seriously but symbolically I don't ignore it < 1393123165 247285 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you got me there. "sometimes" translates to "never" in the case of the sun. < 1393123190 145130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes. But the Sun isn't a planet. Since the Earth orbits the Sun, it doesn't go backward. < 1393123344 227608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astrolog has many different charts it can generate. Such as, the standard horoscope chart, with the circle and the ecliptic longitude of objects on the circle (you can tell it to plot right ascension instead if you want), or the "ephemeris chart", which plots time on the vertical axis and ecliptic longitude (or right ascension) on the horizontal axis. < 1393123439 214726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things can be seen better using the "harmonic factors", which means all ecliptic longitudes are multipled by a factor. This can be useful to see many things, on any chart type. For example if you use harmonic factor 2 in the ephemeris chart, you can see both new moons and full moons as lines crossing. < 1393123461 105311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: i'm not really an astrologer so i don't remember clearly what the planets other than sun and moon represent. i notice jupiter is there with the moon opposing the others (except mars), i _think_ it has something to do with governing, being the king of the gods and all. < 1393123485 756921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the superego maybe? < 1393123490 386634 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had my jupiter in cancer < 1393123491 913212 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reads < 1393123503 287853 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my booklet < 1393123504 205423 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUPITER IN CANCER IN Cancer, Jupiter is in the house of his exaltation; and that sign being above all a symbol of pleasure, we may naturally expect that it will bring out the truly "jovial" qualities of the planet. This is undoubtedly the case; the native is good-humored, benevolent, and humane; the emotional nature and the imagination are strong; but the pleasantest qualities are more evident in the nativities of private persons than in < 1393123512 842481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not an astrologer either. But I can tell you what interpretations are built into Astrolog, if you want this information. < 1393123540 201908 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's what I'm asking < 1393123541 134067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psychologically, you would ask, do you think that describes you or not? To what degree? < 1393123546 817273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right i've forgot all about the astrological signs. < 1393123553 806074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly it can result in questions, if nothing else. < 1393123563 53061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, nearly all) < 1393123563 449591 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it certainly does < 1393123568 438327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(questions to ask to yourself about your personality, that is) < 1393123573 543409 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been doing this for some time now < 1393123581 389608 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to understand your guy's level of knowledge < 1393123590 70319 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :like zzo's ability to read into different charts < 1393123596 846803 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen that < 1393123613 588159 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm wondering why in the world would you take the time to learn all that < 1393123659 162253 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :on that level, leaving all the astrology aside, it's applied geometry. < 1393123670 495619 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see a certain appeal to that :) < 1393123676 569712 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1393123682 269397 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems so arbitrary to me < 1393123697 397594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we don't know much; this isn't an astrology IRC. If you want more you have to look elsewhere. But I can tell you only *objectively* what it means. I don't know about the subjective meanings of these things and am not much interested. Like they said, I don't believe in astrology either, but I understand enough to tell you whether or not you can actually tell your sun sign by your date (not time) of birth, and so on. < 1393123729 968668 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear ya < 1393123740 249462 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wondering why you even know all that < 1393123771 794271 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :osmosis < 1393123773 895216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have in fact advised someone on this, since they were curious. On the day he was born, the sun passed from one sign to another, so without knowing the time of birth I cannot tell you what your sun sign is. This information isn't useful to me, but it is nevertheless a true or false statement. < 1393123792 713016 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1393123797 408279 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: Because I was curious what the symbols on the chart meant, and I studied it, so I learned. < 1393123808 321912 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1393123917 494893 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1393123917 751635 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so cold in here < 1393123937 930554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And allows to figure out things. I learn astronomy too, but also the astrological conventions. Both kinds of conventions are useful, actually; most astronomers don't know astrological conventions (causing them to dismiss astrology for invalid reasons), and have no use for them, but a few astronomers find them useful! (Note: I am neither an astrologer nor an astronomer.) < 1393123956 984118 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are we done with the dos now < 1393123974 720118 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ddos is done < 1393123976 261493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry Bike, dos is forever < 1393123982 216522 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1393123991 333060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of people in this channel do somewhat unusual things though, especially myself. < 1393123994 529646 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny zzo, I studied astronomy in college which is why I'm interested in it < 1393124010 712114 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you seem to know the formula for more than what even my professors knew < 1393124018 479315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, we are mainly mathematically and scientifically minded. < 1393124035 267519 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't ignore the right brain guys < 1393124039 673937 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you think that anatomists dismiss haruspicy for invalid reasons < 1393124044 387331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: The reason may be because, like I said, most astronomers don't know about astrological conventions. < 1393124045 531277 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you'll creatively regret it for the rest of your dull life < 1393124046 615645 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1393124049 251018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't know what that means. < 1393124058 409581 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean astrological conventions? < 1393124080 113773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: I agree with you there; I do creative stuff too, and I do music too, but I am *mainly* mathematically/scientifically minded, not entirely. < 1393124113 800436 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1393124114 441484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: I mean things like house systems, ayanamsha, etc, which are all perfectly objective things. < 1393124124 322649 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is ayanamsha < 1393124128 935709 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like sanskrit < 1393124143 599786 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ayanamsha is the Sanskrit word for the amount of the precession of equinoxes. < 1393124144 719958 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are like astrological events right? < 1393124145 452054 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haruspicy is telling the future using animal entrails. < 1393124155 560159 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1393124162 512520 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike is a good guy < 1393124169 833065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Not something I knew, but still I cannot answer your question. < 1393124176 930743 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's kidding < 1393124214 852914 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey zzo you do music < 1393124218 285977 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you use a DAW? < 1393124226 770403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: I do music, but not using a DAW. < 1393124238 252251 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you never record? < 1393124247 638233 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1393124259 57084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i think haruspicy would be somehow analogous to astrology in this respect if haruspices [sp?] had somehow named the animal organs in a way similar to but subtly different than anatomists. < 1393124279 869239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/than/from/ < 1393124281 243059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any microphone on my computer; I generally use Music Macro Language to write a text file and then compile it. < 1393124295 58534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is different than how many people work, but is what is best way for me. < 1393124298 207611 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1393124311 610678 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I study a lot of things. < 1393124315 631976 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wtf < 1393124321 500966 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :you turn a text file into music? < 1393124325 629365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: Yes. < 1393124330 548233 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :interdasting < 1393124364 830854 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you play any instruments? < 1393124370 242060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I can play piano. < 1393124373 494909 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1393124374 417797 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1393124375 745316 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1393124491 178986 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any of you guys use bitcoin? < 1393124513 319930 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1393124521 813912 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking of starting to accept it for my business but it's pretty lulz < 1393124522 945784 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1393124564 292990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I myself don't use bitcoin (maybe my computer is not fast enough to run it anyways) < 1393124582 937513 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anybodys computer is fast enough for mining these days < 1393124596 200356 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway also < 1393124609 750961 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if you guys remember but back in the day there were these folding services < 1393124617 138872 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with all the cyberthefts, they should calling it "yoursing" < 1393124624 550366 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you would have your computer run cancer cell tests < 1393124635 312156 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put it in some database or something for university research < 1393124637 575071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something I have said before is that, a purpose of chiromancy (a.k.a. palmistry) is to know what all of the lines on your hand are called. < 1393124644 186103 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, prime kinda started it < 1393124650 746827 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seti at home, folding at home, rsa at home < 1393124661 284977 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was thinking of starting a coin that had some beneficial algorithm in it for research < 1393124673 36632 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :for diseases or whatever < 1393124681 48553 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES! < 1393124681 566309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: Interesting idea. I wonder how possible it is. < 1393124683 973227 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :seti at home < 1393124685 767647 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what it was < 1393124709 890691 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1393124713 209027 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mining = searching for coq proofs? < 1393124720 544033 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :hash algorithm < 1393124731 517406 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://proofmarket.org/ < 1393124758 720855 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooo < 1393124764 464963 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :g e n i u s < 1393124770 611817 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically what I'm talking about < 1393124777 693648 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not implemented into the program itself < 1393124821 314269 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone shoudl implement a system where people who are interested in making the world better can do it without worrying about food and shelter < 1393124837 482223 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1393124845 334344 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean essentially I think seti at home is pretty much it < 1393124852 557976 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought if more people did it < 1393124855 184964 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be better < 1393124892 575962 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo rational drug discovery < 1393124951 899813 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: so how do inconsistencies affect that market? is there a rollback when one is found? < 1393124971 601105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see a problem with the proofmarket system: https://proofmarket.org/problem/viewa/20 It allows you to prove false things. < 1393124981 71659 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1393124985 459075 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem and solution < 1393124989 107487 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :they really thought it out < 1393125009 288620 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof of work: donate $1000 in real money to the UNHCR < 1393125013 806680 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay okay < 1393125028 400115 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a seti at home type thing but you get paid < 1393125032 265485 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's an incentive < 1393125058 725785 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean theoretically if all those asic mining rigs were helping solve cancer cell algorithms, we would be far better off than hashing useless code < 1393125065 73548 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and killing our computers in the process < 1393125124 555050 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well all the asic miners *can* do is hashing. they wouldn't help with more complex computations. < 1393125158 771297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Redefining False is like cheating though < 1393125186 535069 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in fact I'd argue that they are a good thing because they make mining on general purpose computers unattractive.) < 1393125205 329169 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume the idea is that atleastyou'redoingsomethingcoin would result in asics that can test rotamers or w/e instead of hashing. < 1393125236 951233 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see int-e < 1393125252 264602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: bah clearly you should be rooting for tromp's new coin scheme < 1393125261 311521 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I mean I'm sure they could easily make better asic chips specifically for something more beneficial like setiathome algorithms no problem < 1393125265 955513 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuckoo hmm. < 1393125271 626481 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehhh < 1393125279 602840 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean prime is doing a similar concept < 1393125283 975440 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not rooting for either really < 1393125294 139274 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inte: beats me < 1393125307 372104 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think that collectively mining on a beneficial cause could be very important for the future of technology/civilization < 1393125313 197126 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is seti@home data certified? < 1393125327 828890 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No False proofs in [ ] days! < 1393125341 464594 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think some organization or university does it, the program was huge and backed/sponsored by many organizations < 1393125345 975656 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I suppose jobs are sent out several times, and there is no money involved, lowering the incentive for cheating. < 1393125346 921299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Redefining False is like cheating though <-- wanted to `addquote you but HackEgo isn't here < 1393125358 99201 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1393125364 2097 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so that probably wouldn't work for pseudobitcoins. < 1393125368 917830 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like making sure your script has no bugs < 1393125408 298398 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :node; like most things dealing with money, its not very beneficial for society ;-) < 1393125423 819910 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but is asic mining really beneficial for society? < 1393125426 898409 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :best way to be beneficial to society is to ignore money temporarily and work on benefiting society < 1393125461 121824 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does asic mining exist enough to have any effect on society at all < 1393125468 912921 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh yeah < 1393125481 631096 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's literally driven radeon GPU supply through the roof < 1393125488 332023 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hasn't been like this since 2006 < 1393125493 371060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Yes you are correct < 1393125499 73956 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :even before geforce came out with the 670s < 1393125503 868061 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think increasing GPU sales is much of an effect. < 1393125510 625461 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham you're absolutely right < 1393125517 428190 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :but government jobs wouldn't get paid < 1393125528 246793 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those oh so meaningless jobs will finally be truly < 1393125530 96622 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaningless < 1393125534 830131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the point was asics were replacing gpus because gpus couldn't keep up either < 1393125545 245741 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inte: sounds like that "false" guy just asked the wrong question < 1393125550 611118 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but you can't use ASIC for gaming < 1393125551 974414 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone found a "bug" in the question < 1393125552 541133 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for mining < 1393125557 518246 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more people game than mine < 1393125569 318015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone mentioned the other day that the bitcoin network as a whole does 2^64 hashes every ~10 minutes < 1393125574 440342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of hashing imo < 1393125576 840042 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: my remark was prompted by the news item on the homepage: "Now using coq8.4pl3, which is not known to be inconsistent." < 1393125608 65284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you saying radeon GPU supply is through the roof because no one buys them any more < 1393125608 339201 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah that will be an interesting question if it is encountered. < 1393125625 37926 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe copumpkin will steal all of the agda bounties with his next proof of false < 1393125648 859100 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as someone indirectly paid by a government i suppose i should be offended < 1393125655 738479 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can think to myself: at least i haven't invested in bitcoin < 1393125674 640926 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they bought all the radeon GPUs out < 1393125699 967281 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont find govt jobs useless. < 1393125718 643046 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've clearly never met someone that's in social services for the state < 1393125722 279303 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i personally like roads and police stations and fire stations and public schools and medicare and ... < 1393125736 998313 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't? < 1393125745 854654 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you, apparently < 1393125746 983947 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like agencies that make sure food is not poisonous < 1393125750 155095 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1393125765 386321 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i am all for regulating financial crime < 1393125784 615522 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway who wants to read a paper on modifying game physics engines to research tertiary DNA structure < 1393125797 857902 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like living in a country where getting into an ambulance can cost you $10,000 dollars and was built by the bloods of the native americans < 1393125798 477439 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it's you, reading this message right now, personally < 1393125804 826507 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :whome were raped and given diseases < 1393125810 399183 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be rid of the land < 1393125813 838815 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that we can install < 1393125817 853674 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :imperialistically < 1393125819 383550 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASIC miners. < 1393125820 420453 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :our police < 1393125821 476969 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :medicare < 1393125823 317644 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :node: see, i dont think it woudl cost $10k if ambulences were run by the state < 1393125832 799441 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing more efficient than socialized medicine is what we have now < 1393125838 508596 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err more expensive ;-) < 1393125843 88794 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :freudian slip? < 1393125843 940545 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had my co-worker faint and go to the ER room with an ambulance < 1393125853 133178 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :she literally had to sell her house to pay the bill < 1393125859 231994 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and move her family to another county < 1393125859 434506 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not true. i could charge you money for haruspicy to determine how you'll get sick. < 1393125872 14967 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you bike your FNORDS are showing < 1393125885 199191 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are some of the Bitcoin script commands disabled? < 1393125890 669439 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :node: i dont see how you're connecting that to govt jobs < 1393125897 319177 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1393125900 726629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you think about showing fnords? < 1393125900 993221 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let's do a crossover. aids is god's punishment for sinning" < 1393125903 218085 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how they're employed < 1393125914 938784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i think you are not helping here. < 1393125915 196448 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: usually you write all occurances of " scheme48". is he blippo? srfi-news?) < 1393125919 159853 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're employed by the very government that enslaved african americans, kept them as sex slaves, < 1393125924 482 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :raped the native americans < 1393125926 709256 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you coworker fainted and went to the er room in the ambulence how much did you coworker pay to the govt? < 1393125929 159347 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the south americans < 1393125932 479398 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it did fit perfectly into the discussion. < 1393125939 879938 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: unfortunately < 1393125941 700273 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how we built the government that gives these people their jobs < 1393125950 422134 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: talk about math < 1393125950 607732 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i just got that quote as a fortune. it's < 1393125964 481220 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: say it, say it, what is it? < 1393125964 668713 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: a fnord fnord one sector will be frustrating, too, except when i am < 1393125971 704188 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :33 < 1393125989 932443 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: dronf. < 1393125990 170118 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: eval ( remove ' a mylist)... remove is not defined in the same way as fnord ( fnord < 1393125997 752233 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing a tragic lack of interest in rotating amino acid bonds, here. < 1393126009 472933 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :go seti at home brah < 1393126019 359293 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: your context has been poisoned. can you show us some brainfuck? < 1393126019 560604 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: your code was going to submit in the paper can be used < 1393126034 482218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: word < 1393126146 337696 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I am curious what the point is, is this an easier road towards exploiting GPU power than starting from scratch? I'm assuming that the actual physics are quite different. < 1393126158 667738 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're not interested in physics engine modification I could link a few papers on artificial "bis-"amino acid polymers. I know a guy writing his own compiler for that shit < 1393126224 631070 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: already have! < 1393126259 394080 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot < 1393126273 928548 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i think they need things that aren't in a lot of chemical situations, like steric hindrance (roughly, collision detection) < 1393126278 811227 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :chemical simulations < 1393126301 25841 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the physics are pretty much the same with what they're doing, just rigid body dynamics. i don't think they're worrying about breaking bonds < 1393126311 600170 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pcbi.1003456 well anyway there you go < 1393126567 83270 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, now I can see why some opcodes are disabled; how would they fix that then? < 1393126596 59259 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :hax < 1393126612 542294 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats that game where you connect together pipes and in doing so you're searching for mathematical proofs (without knowing it)? < 1393126630 764188 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1393126903 369931 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.washington.edu/verigames/ <- there < 1393126940 189960 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://homes.cs.washington.edu/~mernst/pubs/verigames-ftfjp2012.pdf < 1393126952 68318 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't some of you guys wish the internet went off tomorrow and didn't come back on for 3 months? < 1393126960 164035 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be a nice break < 1393127047 730938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1393127056 31952 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1393127106 875661 :qwebirc4507!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session JOIN :#esoteric < 1393127178 827527 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1393127214 268687 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1393127459 251688 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1393127628 967514 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude wtf < 1393127631 738816 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried dalnet < 1393127639 8115 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :that shit is like IRC for yahoo answers < 1393127642 24575 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like worstevernet, imo < 1393127647 892012 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1393127661 406085 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I FEEL LIKE A FUCKING KIWI < 1393127670 168600 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWKWARD AND FUZZY < 1393127683 930552 :qwebirc4507!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1393127802 413240 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey bike < 1393127805 583367 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your name Jordan? < 1393127986 623405 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never. < 1393128163 747161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done other way around, which is to make a sequent calculus that implements a computer game (such as sokoban). < 1393128204 130894 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :...... < 1393128275 645723 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized < 1393128280 359934 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you fall into programming < 1393128287 680142 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will stay there < 1393128291 147807 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever < 1393128297 189526 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget, you're here < 1393128298 943477 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever < 1393128317 104446 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. < 1393128325 938275 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be gone tomorrow walking in the morning breeze between the trees < 1393128332 892883 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'll all need your coffee < 1393128336 702125 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a book of interviews with famous programmers. one of them's a composer now. nother one works at a phone company selling dialup. < 1393128342 891437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492: i think you mean "Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity." < 1393128352 883615 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1393128372 65874 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you do < 1393128374 602969 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the perception of the computer screen being the only thing you focus on in your room becomes daunting < 1393128393 330087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's our wiki motto, borrowed from someone else who came to this channel looking for esoterica. < 1393128407 132133 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1393128415 286695 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty pessimistic < 1393128420 85098 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :but true in some sense < 1393128423 504088 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :false in some sense < 1393128429 458957 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and completely meaningless in another sense < 1393128462 223813 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean don't you guys think it's fucking crazy? < 1393128474 45127 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :to just sit in a room for hours and just stare at a screen < 1393128483 139395 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean don't get me wrong I do it too < 1393128493 507593 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at some point I think to myself 'holy shit, this is fucking insane' < 1393128504 338013 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then go outside or travel to another city for a week or two < 1393128515 498123 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1393128538 41044 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't have a smartphone so I'm not in the meta-matrix of solidity < 1393128539 869186 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 NICK :Guest52739 < 1393128548 811284 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :but boy has it gotten bad < 1393128604 808526 :qwebirc4507!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :tis' < 1393128663 325515 :Guest52739!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Client Quit < 1393128864 316507 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1393128988 478290 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping 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*.split < 1393132315 354340 :23LAA7F88!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1393132315 560675 :Effilry!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :*.net *.split < 1393132317 955100 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1393132319 470818 :ggherdov!sid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov QUIT :*.net *.split < 1393132326 868133 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1393132329 160402 :Guest77706!~keegan@50.17.127.187 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1393132688 855241 :Node_492!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1393132748 869158 :qwebirc4507!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the real Node_492 hahaaa~ < 1393133011 225561 :chaiomanot!~chaiomano@75-121-72-210.dyn.centurytel.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1393133192 999242 :Speed``!~Speed@evile.thrash.im JOIN :#esoteric < 1393133193 194454 :Effilry!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1393133193 194579 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:shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1393137183 952 :qwebirc4507!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/session QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1393138202 385628 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1393138497 436911 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1393139714 749197 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1393140040 438557 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1393140423 337394 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1393140544 412529 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1393141552 134304 :nisstyre!yourstruly@2400:8900::f03c:91ff:fe69:7f3d JOIN :#esoteric < 1393141558 855916 :nisstyre!yourstruly@2400:8900::f03c:91ff:fe69:7f3d QUIT :Changing host < 1393141559 49229 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1393141997 405156 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1393142005 58921 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Client Quit < 1393142283 756249 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1393142541 880101 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-161-205.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1393142590 430483 :password2!~password@197.78.170.191 JOIN :#esoteric < 1393142751 151684 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1393143518 277537 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this program contains several bad stuff that could be improved, but other than the obvious stuff, is there a more efficient algorithm if costtab is known? http://sprunge.us/EOKM < 1393143556 578836 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1393143556 780604 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1393143581 948804 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1393143592 145388 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1393143702 23692 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1393144143 498206 :ggherdov!sid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov QUIT :Changing host < 1393144143 724130 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iiznwmybiousodrn JOIN :#esoteric < 1393144145 156284 :iamcal__!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session QUIT :Changing host < 1393144145 357096 :iamcal__!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rojmpwbtobzylauf JOIN :#esoteric < 1393144281 656074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoting Greg Kuperberg from Aaronson's blog: "News flash: While D-Wave threads debate whether snow shoes count as ice skates, the Martinis group at Santa Barbara lands a quadruple axel. http://arxiv.org/abs/1402.4848" < 1393144429 295637 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1393145008 426792 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-161-205.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1393145974 90228 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node_492 was interesting < 1393146046 874872 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean usually trolls don't first feign interest for hours and only then start talking about matrices of solidity (or maybe days, i ran out of backlog) < 1393146196 351933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sorry but i brought up the matrices < 1393146212 24935 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but i mean the topic < 1393146223 546069 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just didn't know the technical term < 1393146240 276009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he made it quite clear when he arrived that he was looking for the other kind of esoterica. < 1393146248 737504 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1393146298 298463 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1393146301 121930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote solidity < 1393146307 360014 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed his arrival < 1393146307 545046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1393146314 268411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bot has dissolved < 1393146329 318946 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 months without internet... would give me plenty of time to read all the mangas on my phone < 1393146329 504545 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually still have no idea what the other kind of esoterica actually is < 1393146359 160521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: hey no fair saying that when `addquote isn't working < 1393146380 21696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: What mangas do you have on your phone (and how many)? < 1393146388 456165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well astrology probably counts < 1393146405 714974 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: about 100, i don't know most of them yet :D < 1393146423 787448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the Akagi manga < 1393146440 457103 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, perhaps, maybe other divinations too? < 1393146443 159980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as does jung, which was also mentioned < 1393146450 758898 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll add it < 1393146450 943969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure < 1393146479 214833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Akagi manga is difficult if you don't know Japanese mahjong though. < 1393146480 27903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and alastair [sp?] crowley probably < 1393146494 666138 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually don't think a lack of internet would matter that much to me < 1393146497 799670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aleister, apparently < 1393146505 986366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, now I can understand what you mean. < 1393146553 733826 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obligatory stuff (imho) contains liar game, tower of god, the gamer, oyasumi punpun < 1393146576 305786 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much all of my activities except this place can be done internet-less < 1393146598 605084 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there is that crazy manga where people play mahjong against putin, hitler and the like < 1393146604 67807 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never read it, though < 1393146614 143701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yes, I have heard of it, but never read it. < 1393146619 812470 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :without a computer, i would be pretty much crippled < 1393146629 214852 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty famous for the super aryan < 1393146644 984881 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even do math on paper < 1393146648 144657 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually < 1393146653 555327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaspeth < 1393146656 820206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a lot of books, pencil, paper, so I can work even without a computer, but far more slowly, and doing less things < 1393146702 546065 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Super+Aryan_5b4c58_4527514.jpg < 1393146705 935371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION keeps a notebook in his jacket, but doesn't use it that often lately < 1393146710 272204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do math on paper, and various other things on paper < 1393146742 599015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often write unrelated stuff on the back of a paper which I have previously printed out from the computer < 1393146759 564733 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes even on the front < 1393146773 760593 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wth @ http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pItHDgP3A8g/T4kMyxhP3EI/AAAAAAAAAAs/rp62Rnb2O50/s1600/swastika%2Bhair.jpg < 1393146775 169425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to reuse paper rather than waste it < 1393146781 997246 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i usually do all research in my head, and then write the article directly to .tex < 1393146801 406429 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a lot happens on a whiteboard actually < 1393146807 264721 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i am really disappointed about the current price of the sony slate < 1393146824 639777 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love to have one, but 98000 yen is ridiculous < 1393146863 219911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I do write things directly onto a TeX file but sometimes the things I write on the paper are never used elsewise. < 1393146875 983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sometimes I am not accessing the computer, because I am elsewhere. < 1393146880 182145 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :math is one of the main reasons i use paper < 1393146890 492524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to write a lot more on paper before. i remember when i was little, my dad brought used computer printouts so i could write on the other side < 1393146947 171751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(these were long reams of paper with holes on the side) < 1393147061 465496 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i have to do a lot of calculations with numbers, i do use paper, like if i have to give homework sessions (i still don't know what the term for this is) for a linear algebra class < 1393147106 268965 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for topology, measure theory, combinatorics of words, cellular automata, logic, automata theory, etc. you don't really need any external memory < 1393147217 759099 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but maybe i just do very simple things) < 1393147346 390768 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I do use it for math, but for other purposes too. < 1393147395 688820 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... what the hell is a verigame and why didn't i know of that earlier? < 1393147447 367005 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For calculations with many numbers I will often use a TI-92 calculator, although sometimes also writing things on paper < 1393147453 547728 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw Node's idea of doing cancercoin was actually pretty genius; also sort of obvious but i hadn't thought of it < 1393147457 895142 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I remember those paper < 1393147462 526944 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not the same paper < 1393147467 81130 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the computer reams :) < 1393147514 931329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: SORRY YOU ARE TOO YOUNG IT'S NOT POSSIBLE < 1393147546 194329 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It scares me that my parents met after half of my friends at uni were born < 1393147594 391627 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to make friends mostly with the >30 students < 1393147630 865763 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably made friends with over 30 students < 1393147637 344274 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never counted < 1393147650 421338 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant people who are over 30 years old < 1393147665 182202 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1393147672 701072 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you got that < 1393147676 636329 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I know any < 1393147682 968164 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah, I got that) < 1393147688 798147 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" It scares me that my parents met after half of my friends at uni were born" < 1393147711 481904 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My parents met in '92 < 1393147713 74407 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that mean your friends are much older than you < 1393147719 26732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not have proof that my parents didn't meet for the first time 9 months before i was born, but i recall no evidence against either. < 1393147745 976218 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, only by two or so years < 1393147749 444606 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1393147823 751956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i may be tired i may be slipping into tmi mode < 1393147825 110870 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the oldies are usually alone, so we end up talking < 1393147854 767527 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they usually have a life story, whereas people my age are like um i didn't know what to do so i ended up in math because i figured it's easy < 1393147878 727489 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly made friends in the computer science society < 1393147904 285317 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they do not have to meet 9 months before you were born < 1393147912 792956 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe your father sold semen < 1393147947 151888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: i think the evidence is quite clearly against that version < 1393147978 500329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the fact they married. < 1393147991 669367 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: there are people outside the computer science society? < 1393148006 268211 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, yes, for instance the sci fi and fantasy society < 1393148014 966472 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the CS society here is tiny < 1393148019 864642 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never went to any social thingies < 1393148023 573550 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, I wound up treasurer < 1393148030 572334 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :during my studies < 1393148124 814539 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I probably ought to join the maths society < 1393148134 675802 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the sci fi and fantasy society, thinking about it < 1393148135 780452 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides finishing assignments, talking to people is one of my main activity while studying < 1393148165 317541 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's weird that I suddenly seem to have a social life < 1393148178 925934 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :D < 1393148294 348341 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, are you a student? < 1393148303 617850 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am < 1393148318 230542 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where at? < 1393148331 290915 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer science, what else? :p < 1393148358 892885 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said where, not what < 1393148367 81472 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1393148372 716919 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fu berlin < 1393148377 111299 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1393148398 66748 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at York < 1393148403 666415 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing Maths and Computer Science < 1393148415 337453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which maths < 1393148418 433539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them? < 1393148420 158283 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a pretty hard time finding a minor subject < 1393148450 146801 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, it's practically the only thing (besides the bachelor thesis) that is left < 1393148454 912334 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, already it's not the applied stuff, and I seem to be heading to only half of that < 1393148467 30202 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, I'm on a joint course, it's 50/50 Maths/CS < 1393148481 516041 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :course = ? < 1393148498 596144 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: math has way to much stuff i really don't want to learn < 1393148517 290627 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many courses per year do you take < 1393148523 738596 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, 1 for your entire time at uni < 1393148526 683909 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1393148541 143257 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the word has two rather different meanings < 1393148558 416645 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate english < 1393148567 783578 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, I promised myself when I was eight years old that I'd do maths at uni, and so far I'm not regretting it < 1393148579 838403 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i promised myself i'd become a programmer when i was 5 < 1393148581 983278 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1393148594 538137 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you didn't know better < 1393148609 696852 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1393148623 301244 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my father used to tell me i'd realize at some point that i want to do math or physics or something < 1393148624 419566 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was 5 I don't think I had much interest in programming < 1393148645 268391 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because his experience with programming was that it's mostly copying data from one spreadsheet to another < 1393148649 127749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was 5 i don't think i had any idea what programming was < 1393148652 554605 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started programming at 12 and sucked at that < 1393148660 527243 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started at 6 or 7 < 1393148666 765146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was 5 i'm not sure i even existed < 1393148681 872124 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, did you want to be a philosopher < 1393148683 360869 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :started making my own projects only at 9 or so though < 1393148706 947328 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started programming when I was 12, sucked then, and I haven't actually got much better since < 1393148722 163856 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: :D < 1393148744 21045 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i don't do basic anymore < 1393148752 441637 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm probably gonna be a better computer scientist than programmer < 1393148791 234763 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what you want to do anyways < 1393148821 825737 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know how hard it is to actually work as a computer scientist without being a coding monkey first < 1393148858 704739 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1393148861 354096 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would that be hard < 1393148902 638542 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to be a computer scientist, just don't leave academia < 1393148927 882313 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love to, but i am not sure if i'd be able to do that < 1393148978 448693 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they only have like a dozen or so people that may make a phd while working here < 1393148988 154760 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be, but i don't see why being a coding monkey for a while would help < 1393149002 44979 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it will, dunno < 1393149121 729429 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean your time at the university is when you wow the professors and such and get funding for a phd, then rewow them with your thesis and publications < 1393149156 277612 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can become a coding monkey if you like, but i think you'll be judged by your phd time after that anyway, unless they already forgot about you in which case your situation is even worse < 1393149199 734863 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i don't actually know whether it goes like that < 1393149249 725128 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just slum out a phd in relativistic quantum chemistry and then you can do whatever you want. fact < 1393149250 894746 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :future will show, but i think other people are more likely to get hired than i am < 1393149312 968487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to improve the algorithm I had? Other than the obvious stuff, I just wondered if, having the constant "costtab" table, can allow any improvements. < 1393149438 80723 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what algorithm? < 1393149463 940438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://sprunge.us/EOKM < 1393149483 198138 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there are some things that are just written badly and can be fixed, but those aren't what I mean. < 1393149487 14821 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that C? < 1393149506 455981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1393149551 584721 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is that C" made me curious < 1393149595 30704 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is that supposed to do < 1393149631 731925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is it that printing optimization for the famicom or whatever it was? < 1393149636 294304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To calculate the best encoding of a text string, where the decoder can be in one of three states < 1393149647 835691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not for the Famicom, for the Z-machine. < 1393149798 789632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In each of the three possible states, there is a different cost for a character depending on what character it is as well as what state will be next. < 1393149825 31245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why there ix a 3x3x3 table; it is for the from state, to state, and character's state. < 1393149862 499609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so famicom means the same thing as NES? < 1393149869 809504 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1393149871 412790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It is a similar hardware. < 1393149881 115453 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanes < 1393149884 398666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similar enough that most software will work through an adapter. < 1393149908 814844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :software it counts < 1393149993 568632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although sometimes the music won't play, due to an incompatibility in the cartridge header) < 1393150100 818090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand what I am trying to make this algorithm do, now? < 1393150181 358184 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-161-205.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1393150333 855125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember our previous discussion < 1393150346 31145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough to remember the general algorithm, at least < 1393150447 708504 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-161-205.play-internet.pl QUIT :Client Quit < 1393150457 377529 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-161-205.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1393150535 726982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :C microoptimization isn't precisely a skill i trust myself on. would it be more efficient to expand the table with dummy 4th rows so you can use bit twiddling instead of multiplication? < 1393150547 711941 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-161-205.play-internet.pl QUIT :Client Quit < 1393150550 934319 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a good idea, yes. < 1393150560 378994 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-161-205.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1393150587 796781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my question was if, due to the costtab table being the way it is, there is a way to make the algorithm more efficient due to how its constant data is laid out. < 1393150631 526371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, whether there's some structure in costtab you can exploit? < 1393150683 412365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1393150975 282878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so the cost is 1 when all of *b, s1 and s2 are equal. < 1393151049 425839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1393151266 981292 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1393151276 960506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am wondering if any of these things can be used to make the algorithm more efficient in any ways. < 1393151412 413260 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1393151476 92578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the tricky thing is that there's sometimes a cheaper way to print a character than changing to its preferred state, printing it, then changing to the desired end state < 1393151492 868088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i'm sure you explained the last time < 1393151527 427513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have already taken that into account in the table, actually. < 1393151558 151606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i thought so, but i only remembered it when i was thinking about why the table cannot be split up that way again < 1393151573 888491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The case is if you are in state 2 and want to stay in state 2, but the character's preferred state isn't state 2, you can use the ASCII escape instead of switching out and back in. < 1393152177 485518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Move everything to left" can probably be avoided by combining it with the next step, probably making it faster. < 1393152203 78618 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But your idea to avoid multiplication is a good one too, and I will do that. < 1393152253 719057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt the form of costtab has anything to exploit though < 1393152296 6228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK, then < 1393152341 985834 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I also meant even if the costtab is still there, but maybe there still isn't anything to exploit. < 1393153081 446865 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like SQLite? < 1393153365 459107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i don't like your copying of the best[i] elements back and forth, each of them contains an array the length of the string doesn't it < 1393153380 407048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, bests[i] < 1393153425 915658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes like I said it could be greatly improved < 1393153427 694999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely think i discussed last time how to avoid that < 1393153451 435923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are several bad things about this program, which can be improved < 1393153458 706907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is one of them < 1393153563 590515 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things though, just cannot see right from this part of the code, since you cannot see that some variables are declared unsigned. < 1393153635 642920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i assumed next[] is unsigned, since that's the only way assigning -1 to it and expecting it to be larger than what you compare with, will work < 1393153666 596004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, those are valid assumptions. < 1393153723 217543 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program does in fact work. But I am completely rewriting it in much better way, so for one thing, all of the in_row are precalculated (which is possible here) < 1393153742 183934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a little tricky btw, the idea i have for avoid copying those arrays clashes with how you use *b values >= 3 for special fast characters < 1393153750 375973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for avoiding < 1393153811 47202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, maybe there is a better way to deal with the fast characters < 1393153859 45075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I am not sure what it is < 1393154008 496116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :without those fast characters, you could change only bests[i].data[n] and not the whole of bests[i] at each step. < 1393154031 532191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the data[n] tells you which i was used in the previous step < 1393154102 227141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, let bests[i].data[n] store the s1 that is best at step n-1 for getting to s2==i at step n. < 1393154431 128303 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly the fast characters could be completely disjoined from the rest of the algorithm, and added back in later (during actual encoding; it doesn't need to know anything about the rest of the algorithm). (The exception is the (ir[0] && ir[1] && ir[2]) part, but such thing isn't really ever going to happen, so it can be removed.) < 1393154487 894775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait hm i realized, you don't need to change that part anyway < 1393154525 618801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can keep the fast characters as they are, they're just a special code for s1 == s2 < 1393154554 317600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiuc < 1393154555 268839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they do imply that < 1393154582 15550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they still contain enough information to tell what the previous state in the chain is, which is all you need. < 1393154632 90378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for the cost calculating algorithm, the fast characters are irrelevant and the algorithm can act as if they weren't there. < 1393154644 586837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1393154925 484992 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1393155042 194715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you are right that it ought not to copy entire arrays during every step; it only need to copy up to how much is already written, anyways. Especially since I will fix it not to use a fixed buffer length. < 1393155134 564396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my suggestion is not to copy anything other than the step currently being calculated. < 1393155175 870262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK < 1393155176 607864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will require a final unwinding step to calculate the array to return, though. < 1393155207 105451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should be much more efficient than copying much of the array every time < 1393155244 568542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, clearly it will be < 1393155431 401676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1393155441 451706 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1393155485 482223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However it is copying possibly a different array, due to which cost is best being changed < 1393155494 632112 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I just got confused < 1393155583 478966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know what different array you mean < 1393155668 162860 :atriq!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1393155670 575431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the other bests[i].data arrays, for a different "i" < 1393155700 295600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think you shouldn't copy those arrays as a whole anywhere < 1393155715 234835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except possibly for returning the final result < 1393155739 43336 :password2!~password@197.78.170.191 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1393155739 710147 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1393155742 758736 :Speed``!~Speed@evile.thrash.im QUIT :*.net *.split < 1393155743 59363 :Effilry!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1393155744 400559 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1393155745 569928 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iiznwmybiousodrn QUIT :*.net *.split < 1393155752 466600 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1393155754 643531 :Guest77706!~keegan@50.17.127.187 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1393155758 719117 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1393155759 589080 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1393155760 114316 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :*.net *.split < 1393155760 517482 :jhj!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa QUIT :*.net *.split < 1393155773 87244 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that is what you mean by, a final unwinding step. < 1393155788 66746 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I can understand somewhat better what you mean, than I previously did. < 1393155809 194231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1393155816 487359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1393155880 907123 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now I am a bit tired though < 1393155887 548181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe tomorrow I understand better. < 1393155931 906130 :Speed`!~Speed@192.241.167.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1393155981 143236 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Node_492 experiment is gone, will it be back? < 1393156014 445504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think that only remains to be seen, whether or not it is. < 1393156026 832428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm also tired, i'm staying awake extra long to adjust my sleeping cycle to a more convenient phase < 1393156061 965207 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd call it a troll except that I think for the most part it failed quite miserably. People didn't get riled up the way one might expect.) < 1393156083 112206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: we had to do some fungot therapy though < 1393156083 408487 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was konqueror and ie that were broken from the beginning of each function in that same language. < 1393156150 767637 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Thanks, fungot, beacon of sanity. < 1393156150 973551 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: your model doesn't save the internal state. this is among the most plugged in initially < 1393156625 473712 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION started at ~ 6.5 < 1393156833 346797 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-apipsaopalmsjhej JOIN :#esoteric < 1393157014 632121 :jhj!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa JOIN :#esoteric < 1393157014 817268 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1393157014 817389 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1393157014 817455 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1393157014 817519 :password2!~password@197.78.170.191 JOIN :#esoteric < 1393157014 817580 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1393157014 817644 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1393157125 46055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The TL;DR: Holy $#!t !! I finally can say with a straight face that universal quantum computers might be built in the next 2 decades (given adequate commitment of resources of course… but not more than the low tens of billions dollars, I dare say, which really isn’t more than 2 or 3 generations of new microprocessors these days). :)" < 1393157152 512629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaronson blog comment by bill kaminsky < 1393157167 199692 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1393157261 4894 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1393157406 616700 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1393157539 372480 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1393157540 796187 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1393157601 168146 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1393158329 558777 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1393158413 513194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1393158497 310600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1393158571 996199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1393158623 310369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1393158674 509511 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1393160041 711435 :atriq!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :Taneb < 1393160107 963884 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1393160571 521535 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1393160579 172372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1393160798 914357 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1393160818 335704 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1393162214 859801 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1393162223 383077 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1393163295 857103 :Galzu!32af85e1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.175.133.225 JOIN :#esoteric < 1393163538 872658 :Galzu!32af85e1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.175.133.225 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1393165599 134099 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1393166214 792420 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1393166469 942247 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor yorick < 1393166473 479822 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew you well < 1393166483 683416 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew him Horatio < 1393166498 657321 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit Slereah you did it wrong < 1393166512 719799 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know William Shatner that well < 1393166528 651424 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shakesman < 1393166538 381314 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand < 1393166545 531235 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a dude named Marty on freenode < 1393166557 314598 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never miss my Back to the Future quotes < 1393166560 597287 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MCFLY! < 1393166577 691324 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you... Chicken??? < 1393166905 817139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :scarf < 1393166907 708397 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1393166939 212209 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1393166998 303147 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1393167009 840263 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1393168459 123777 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, poor guy :P < 1393169114 913056 :password2!~password@197.78.170.191 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1393169130 374271 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1393169527 820217 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bot < 1393169528 10107 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1393169854 971743 :tromp!~tromp@69.112.162.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1393171007 552692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://eccouncil.org/ < 1393171700 817224 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's this, viral marketing for ethics? < 1393171724 317241 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.130.150 JOIN :#esoteric < 1393171835 666984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hacked site < 1393171949 451388 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that so, looks plausible from here. < 1393172008 160723 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IP address is 66.111.3.186. Is it the same for you?) < 1393172138 68506 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, you probably have 93.174.95.82. < 1393172268 702768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, DNS not propagated for you? < 1393172607 843288 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I don't seem to get anything suspicious from either IP, but perhaps I'm doing it wrong. < 1393172770 252397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get 93.174.95.82. < 1393172901 533383 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was doing it wrong. < 1393173067 159624 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've now resorted to curl -H 'Host: www.eccouncil.org' 93.174.95.82) < 1393174031 669112 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-155.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1393174283 783721 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1393174752 551075 :tromp!~tromp@69.112.162.42 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1393174784 287814 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1393175020 224953 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1393175337 39511 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, looked hacked to me < 1393175717 905946 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: DNS has propagated to here now (the zone lifetime was just an hour) < 1393175772 448025 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, ah, so they defaced it by redirecting DNS rather than defacing the HTTP server? < 1393175790 177726 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1393175835 925257 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that about passports on the page btw? < 1393175956 709407 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they got access to the info@ mailbox (mail is handled by google) < 1393176012 377767 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's what the screenshot suggests: the shown e-mail has a passport scan as an attachment. < 1393176408 968368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1393176690 238742 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1393176823 818601 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think QUassel just gives up on reconnecting eventually :( < 1393177516 243061 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1393177533 358138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1393178459 251221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1393178812 619776 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h NICK :sasl < 1393178824 131992 :sasl!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h NICK :hexagon < 1393179010 643025 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1393179189 212171 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1393179189 938004 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1393180477 462008 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I guess you need a better connection instead? < 1393180492 20573 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should log into the ADSL modem to check uptime < 1393180496 206666 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty massive iirc < 1393180498 80278 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I blame Freenode, none of the other networks have been giving me problems < 1393180503 423970 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except once < 1393180503 638278 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu NICK :Bike < 1393180504 967609 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough < 1393180520 575191 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, iirc they got DDoSed yesterday < 1393181666 295478 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 247 seconds < 1393182085 364582 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1393182857 466825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I try to use the IRC PING command targeting pratchett.freenode.net, I get "services." in place of the name of the server. < 1393182956 925649 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MOTD also says it is a services daemon < 1393182996 19176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calling the server "services." does work too. < 1393183348 225162 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-161-205.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1393183372 531847 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1393183378 107031 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, presumably because it is the services? < 1393183498 916048 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, it is sensible, but I would expect something else. < 1393183517 322401 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay < 1393183521 931851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other algorithm I wanted to know, for my program, is if there is an efficient way to compile a dictionary of search strings so that you can find them a large collection of other texts? < 1393183609 802577 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe so, but I do not remember what the algorithm is called < 1393183661 934331 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, Googling "text search algorithm" (without quotes) found this as the first result: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyer%E2%80%93Moore_string_search_algorithm < 1393183670 68805 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be worth reading about < 1393183721 639680 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_text_search < 1393183844 798373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia is broke < 1393183853 621585 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, not from here < 1393183861 261408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, it isn't really a full text search that I want < 1393183862 235750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess only certain mirrors are broken < 1393183871 724607 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, then I misunderstood you < 1393183893 651571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since my program imports SQLite, if I do want full-text-search, I already have it. < 1393183920 933933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really I mean even substrings like "llo wor" in "Hello world", and so on, being case-sensitive and everything like that. < 1393183923 673674 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite < 1393183937 690722 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the first link would fit better < 1393183982 447888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be, if it worked. < 1393183988 816499 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1393183990 743768 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I get a 503 error. < 1393184012 139707 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try refreshing? It works for me < 1393184029 705575 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work for me. < 1393184042 170440 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much I can do about that, try later maybe? < 1393184054 457074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I can try later, like it says < 1393184095 35384 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is basically an algorithm for speeding up linear text searching by skipping forward in the string when it knows there can't be a match < 1393184195 291133 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1393184236 504677 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1393184296 233214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think I read something about similar things in some book once < 1393184393 950193 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, here, this might help: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:gUZbBziwUoEJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyer%25E2%2580%2593Moore_string_search_algorithm+&cd=1&hl=sv&ct=clnk < 1393184397 53859 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google's cache < 1393184603 183626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's good < 1393184728 746041 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, there is a lot of links at the end of that article to other algorithms, might be worth checking those as well < 1393184770 508989 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, by the way, what is your goal here? < 1393184874 308324 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1393184880 733611 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1393184880 918546 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1393184898 345145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1393184903 308931 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :shachaf < 1393184954 360323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to find the instance of search strings so that they can be replaced by a code that references them, in order to achieve compression. < 1393184965 911984 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm okay < 1393184972 571421 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do not have control over the decoding method) < 1393184991 449837 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementing a specific compression format? < 1393185009 875288 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Excess Flood < 1393185023 31121 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1393185026 229959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I could make it to figure out which strings it should compress, too, but I don't know how to do that either, and that data could be entered manually too. < 1393185032 858111 :iamcal__!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rojmpwbtobzylauf QUIT :Ping timeout: 330 seconds < 1393185040 24069 :LoRdToLsToI!filo3sofie@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-zxvucydekrajhksj QUIT :Ping timeout: 330 seconds < 1393185080 569718 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no expert on compression algorithms, but I believe they generally keep a dynamic dictionary that can change as it goes along < 1393185107 485532 :iamcal__!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nrvgelnsbczznpqh JOIN :#esoteric < 1393185109 342598 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it generally is done in one pass over the input < 1393185136 964043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have to use a static dictionary < 1393185150 837002 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a pretty strange algorithm < 1393185162 149672 :filo3sofie!filo3sofie@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-eyrwdaskfyjplfso JOIN :#esoteric < 1393185169 819754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the static dictionary doesn't have to be any specific way; I could make it to figure out the best static dictionary to use, if that could be done. < 1393185190 899781 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which compression algorithm is this? < 1393185251 450342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the one used in Z-machine. This static dictionary is called the FWORDS table, and is limited to 96 entries. < 1393185287 749381 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictionary_coder (you can easily google the url to find the cache link if you want that) < 1393185335 911871 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen that article before < 1393185345 781905 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1393185349 444136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it mentions about dynamic dictionary coders < 1393185359 276560 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 241 seconds < 1393185390 741191 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1393185398 63093 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well yes < 1393185574 838965 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, this also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffix_tree < 1393185596 662248 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how you would best determine a static dictionary though < 1393185604 183368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be doable though < 1393185768 848591 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats up < 1393186036 529391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia works now. < 1393186046 468062 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's good < 1393186051 712856 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know it was broken < 1393186309 158008 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1393186908 192406 :iamcal__!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nrvgelnsbczznpqh QUIT :*.net *.split < 1393186939 194587 :iamcal__!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ndlyaokqmgcisdjk JOIN :#esoteric < 1393187608 604825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1393188014 623310 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, only in certain places it seems, it worked fine for me the entire time < 1393188211 335068 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you're not schaf, are you? < 1393188457 107111 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [shachaf] is logged in as shachaf < 1393188457 947701 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [schaf] is logged in as schaf < 1393188466 254568 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I would say the answer is no < 1393188468 809232 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1393188487 196742 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :schaf is actually sheep in german < 1393188517 705266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname is actually my name in english < 1393188527 165732 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i know that! < 1393188557 37032 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the reason why i have it < 1393188572 489013 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was like 12 and my uncle said i have to enter a nickname < 1393188579 25784 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't think of anything < 1393188584 920565 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :know i stick with it < 1393189236 465722 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, heh < 1393189383 367489 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1393189392 395546 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1393189572 182867 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1393189654 533360 :Noldorin!~noldorin@unaffiliated/noldorin JOIN :#esoteric < 1393189660 191923 :Noldorin!~noldorin@unaffiliated/noldorin PART :#esoteric < 1393189722 363960 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good hangover morning. < 1393189816 357860 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FNORD < 1393189881 986519 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord is the color that only the blind can see < 1393189895 563202 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicely put < 1393189965 73629 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1393189992 114419 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1393190342 227044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1393190466 405814 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fnord.org/~arioch/ < 1393190542 5827 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1393190605 536787 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A beautiful woman to suck my cock < 1393190796 469938 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike < 1393190803 793238 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we know you're a part of the nick flood < 1393191120 346633 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should I say aeshtaer < 1393191264 953389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this about < 1393191358 548174 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike has been internally sabotaging the group < 1393191379 420250 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretending to be a decent member < 1393191423 844609 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I regret nothing. < 1393191466 707132 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1337 < 1393191474 826212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitcoin933: who are you and what are you talking about? < 1393191484 311529 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goddamn < 1393191490 564763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why do I recognise the name aeshtaer < 1393191492 115462 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to play the first Might and Magic < 1393191501 367025 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's on Apple II, it's quite a hassle < 1393191515 354106 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: do you have an Apple II? < 1393191516 303128 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah get your fnords out of here < 1393191526 574492 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1393191529 621955 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's emulators < 1393191537 187229 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitcoin933: who are you, and were you `relcomed? < 1393191538 131760 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1393191538 177495 NAMES :#esoteric < 1393191550 885878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitcoin933: less noise and complaining at regulars and more answers please < 1393191565 362318 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was initiated in 1989 < 1393191575 193063 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :before many of your were born on usenet < 1393191588 905801 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've been using #esoteric as a congregation place for years < 1393191601 897098 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but finally decided that it was too risky and flooded the channels with programmers < 1393191633 343572 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that our records are lost in a sea of programming jabber < 1393191664 543832 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of us still communicate through this channel but not by text < 1393191671 314961 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but by reply time < 1393191691 266068 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we correspond reply times to concepts and communicate that way < 1393191692 189440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, aeshtaer is just Bike's ident < 1393191702 290877 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1393191703 178063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1393191703 200303 NAMES :#esoteric < 1393191710 798099 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've been following him for about two months < 1393191711 956635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway cut it out or something idk < 1393191719 211594 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we've seen him sabotage his own friends < 1393191771 63719 :bitcoin933!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of this matters as what we started nearly 25 years ago will soon pay off this week < 1393191780 870664 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1393191780 892232 NAMES :#esoteric < 1393191784 670156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric bitcoin933 :you're really boring?? < 1393191797 962158 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, since when do you have op in here? < 1393191822 94591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since almost 8 months ago < 1393191825 760319 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh okay < 1393191837 247714 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also who was that? < 1393191847 519478 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-155.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1393191848 153586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't find any log evidence they'd been here before, oddly < 1393191864 416516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though they didn't exactly strike me as being here for the first time < 1393191864 638316 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1393191882 789734 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably just some regular having a bit of fun by trolling? < 1393191885 14040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1393191885 36154 NAMES :#esoteric < 1393191898 464826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why have the first two parts of their IP never occurred before in my logs? < 1393191912 452257 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay, that is a good question < 1393191922 452108 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they have a cloak normally? < 1393192049 428372 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm ~/Downloads has an interesting system. When there is to much crap in it, I do mkdir old && mv * old, so there is a nested structure of ~/Downloads/old/old/old/old by this point < 1393192055 787639 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to clean that up < 1393192094 411921 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find ~/Downloads -type f -exec shred -vuz {} \; && rm -rf ~/Downloads < 1393192110 894206 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1393192156 185823 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily! < 1393192169 458665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :birch: hi, bitcoin933 < 1393192175 883497 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1393192183 342195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the nick change meant to endear? < 1393192196 167144 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I just thought the numbers were weird at the end < 1393192244 748888 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome birch < 1393192261 35750 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome birch < 1393192270 954363 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: quinthellopia. < 1393192287 557118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I do that with home directories sometimes. Hence I have such directory name gems as ~/__UBUNTU__/_MUST_SORT_/momusspace-before-crash/mnt/_NSA_MOVE_/music_unsorted/random/old/unsorted/ < 1393192288 198100 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1393192288 383131 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. the gregorbots are dead, so no `relcoming. < 1393192294 403748 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: would you like to grade my essay on computational complexity < 1393192318 540106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason naming a directory "_MUST_SORT_" never makes it get sorted out any faster. < 1393192353 904008 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'd like to, but I can't focus on anything longer than five minutes. I am quite hungover from yesterday. < 1393192365 170698 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, NSA_MOVE? < 1393192366 136550 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: sounds awesome! < 1393192366 777250 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :smoke some w33d < 1393192405 662844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A reference to a Zyxel network-attached storage box with the model name "NSA-220". < 1393192411 876215 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: nah. been throwing up for the past 11 hours. < 1393192421 67094 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bueno senior < 1393192422 404211 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles birch < 1393192465 153941 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CEYQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fpub%2Fsean-mapoles%2F5%2Fa64%2F6a8&ei=AG4KU-3_MITLkAfK_ICICA&usg=AFQjCNGhaNoSWUXc1xKt0iY7xdhg6DpIkg&sig2=NQ9Rhp_ZMej4m9Wifs3UDA&bvm=bv.61725948,d.eW0 < 1393192473 455947 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Well I guess we know where it reported to < 1393192500 996937 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1393192523 219876 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :purple < 1393192524 889658 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dark blue < 1393192527 210069 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :light blue < 1393192528 285237 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :green < 1393192530 474044 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yellow < 1393192531 375758 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orange < 1393192532 25854 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :red < 1393192539 315124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm sure it's just "Network Storage Appliance" or something equally benign. Incidentally, want to buy it? I'm not using it any longer. < 1393192551 993916 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, eh, is it any good? < 1393192582 865062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not really. They managed to not include a wake-on-lan feature on it (there's one on the NSA-220+ and the NSA-320, which are later models), for one thing. < 1393192592 797654 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :448k < 1393192610 906646 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing... < 1393192612 474247 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing.... < 1393192614 200241 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing.... < 1393192620 215632 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xcrp < 1393192628 204158 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :four < 1393192629 325063 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :four < 1393192631 243807 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I get op for a few seconds please? < 1393192632 571152 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eight < 1393192637 66389 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah... not interested < 1393192641 857085 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it'll help me feel better.) < 1393192670 376561 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOST MY DONKEY < 1393192677 338868 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1393192678 356362 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1393192679 600604 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it is < 1393192709 804236 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :birch, -_- < 1393192752 533894 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :fizzie > 1393192752 555629 NAMES :#esoteric < 1393192754 915250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie MODE #esoteric +q :*!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 > 1393192754 937424 NAMES :#esoteric < 1393192758 199071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie MODE #esoteric -o :fizzie > 1393192758 221076 NAMES :#esoteric < 1393192761 147743 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay capt. fizzie < 1393192851 362795 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1393192851 384359 NAMES :#esoteric < 1393192852 749736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +o :birch > 1393192852 771217 NAMES :#esoteric < 1393192854 454219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :birch: yes: < 1393192856 114371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :birch > 1393192856 136513 NAMES :#esoteric < 1393192859 758423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1393192859 779987 NAMES :#esoteric < 1393192868 824961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That was boily asking, incidentally. < 1393192885 654268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1393192889 774387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm competent. < 1393192936 338075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Now see what you did again with your easily confusable name. Have you no shame at all? < 1393192970 467246 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll feel shameful tomorrow. all my emotions are set aside while I vainly try to feel unnauseated. < 1393193021 778456 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1393193070 995481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should -q birch to see what other dumb things they say < 1393193163 874402 :birch!45e42b5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.43.90 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1393193164 179548 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1393193344 593974 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1393193347 936992 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 2 20 < 1393193348 274216 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 1 2 1 2 2 1 1 1 1 2 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 --- Sum = 32 < 1393193374 538012 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: ↑ please accept this humble coin-ersatz. < 1393193995 600121 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thoily < 1393194360 89195 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 1 10 < 1393194360 274461 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 --- Sum = 10 < 1393194478 321994 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice -1 10 < 1393194478 995629 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- ~dice sides [number] < 1393194479 180757 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Throw dice, e.g.: dice 6 4 will throw four regular dice. < 1393194484 17059 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 0 10 < 1393194484 415733 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 --- Sum = 10 < 1393194493 738273 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel a bug. < 1393194513 140371 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice 1.5 3 < 1393194513 325144 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 --- Sum = 1 < 1393194556 255219 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~dice ⚀ ⚂ ⚃ ⚁ ⚅ ⚂ < 1393194556 440891 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- ~dice sides [number] < 1393194556 441043 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Throw dice, e.g.: dice 6 4 will throw four regular dice. < 1393194572 33254 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel multiple bugs. < 1393194600 518221 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes notes... “negative dice, fractional dice, complex dice, unicode dice...” < 1393194607 556160 :brandonson!~SingingBo@173.180.174.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1393194619 206852 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about surreal and infinitesimal dice? < 1393194632 74087 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ESSA < 1393194632 705786 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSA 232220Z 21017KT 9999 BKN029 06/02 Q1011 R01L/12//95 R01R/19//95 R08/12//95 NOSIG < 1393194670 876991 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION amends surreality onto the list < 1393194680 41009 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1393194680 732682 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 232200Z 23012G19KT 30SM FEW060 FEW240 01/M08 A2978 RMK SC1CI1 SC TR CI TR SLP085 < 1393194695 875871 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I wrote a program that converges on my phone number VIA THE POWER OF NATURAL SELECTION < 1393194743 166541 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. < 1393194752 746563 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: GA? < 1393194783 707210 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly < 1393194838 736160 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't implement crossover at all < 1393194951 45007 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it isn't very useful < 1393195080 975036 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially as what it finds is written twice in the source code < 1393195209 650517 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what would happen if I tried calling Taneb... < 1393195228 389707 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: reminds me of http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/17294/golfing-a-weasel-program < 1393195371 538221 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do something similar, but restricted to 11 decimal digits, with a 10% chance of switching to an adjacent digit (with 0 between 9 and 1) < 1393195375 777467 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it keeps more than 1 < 1393198025 828211 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.130.150 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1393198159 500581 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell nooodl je nog hebt < 1393198159 723472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1393199220 152923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1393199911 91168 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Quit: Changing server < 1393199956 484102 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric