< 1394323223 824704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the key to your house also requires a password, the password would be inside on your own keypad so it is harder to steal than credit card passwords. < 1394323244 969760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if you don't use the police connections they provide, and install your own instead. < 1394323248 241980 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have to have the bank accept at least one of my ids, because I have to be able to have business with them. I can probably tell them not to accept a card once it's stolen, but I'm not quite confident they would comply. < 1394323255 115282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such thing can confuse people who try to enter without permission. < 1394323296 723036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, one ID may be needed, but it can be a different one than normally is. < 1394323305 252025 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? you can't practically have your key require a password, because then you'd risk shutting yourself outside drunk after a party. < 1394323309 339013 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1394323325 737415 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1394323329 581461 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like to get drunk. < 1394323365 453666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the password would be on the inside of the door so after you open the door you have to push it in, making it harder for other people to watch from the outside. < 1394323386 873138 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe make the bank ID that requires to be sealed with a password and/or digital signature. < 1394323387 411173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that might be true, though I'm not sure it's practical because there's a limit on the number of id cards I can have (probably 4) and I need them for many things. it's still a good idea and worth to investigate. < 1394323429 12717 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an article in 2600 where he replaces some of his cards every few months, and uses his passport mainly as ID < 1394323457 90220 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you need some sort of plan for what to do with the bank if that ID you use for the bank is stolen. < 1394323476 108320 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how that could work. < 1394323495 147323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also prefer to pay in cash in most thing, although I do have a bank account too. < 1394323509 696204 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :paying for cash for everything is expensive. < 1394323528 305841 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in europe that is) < 1394323546 367280 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it expensive to do that in Europe? < 1394323576 569471 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you pay in cash for everything, you have to carry lots of cash often, which means you very likely lose more if it's stolen then if they steal your cards. < 1394323598 83016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You only have to carry the money you use, not all of it. < 1394323632 872940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if it money with holes so it can be tied to your clothing then it is more difficult to steal. < 1394323637 963735 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, and I don't have to carry much because I can pay with a card if necessary, especially for high valued transactions. < 1394323677 677605 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for tied to your clothing, well sure, not exactly tied, but I do make my valuables physically hard to steal, < 1394323689 358469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can pay by card if you prefer < 1394323693 276571 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike some of the women with open purses you can see walking around here a lot. < 1394323697 392534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can tie the card in a similar way it is just as hard to steal. < 1394323727 48361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the merchant can still commit credit card fraud on you. < 1394323758 155520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For example, by displaying "TRANSACTION FAILED" even though it is actually approved.) < 1394323760 444524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is in Europe, and I don't think paying everything you'd go out and physically but with cash would really cost any more than paying by card. With the exception of bus tickets, where it's cheaper to get the (wireless) card. < 1394323767 25726 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he can commit a debit card fraud, which is worse. this is Europe, don't forget. we don't have checks here, and credit cards aren't so common. < 1394323795 143288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, debit card fraud too. < 1394323796 780433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That "but" in there is supposed to be a "buy". < 1394323867 659944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I run a business I would wish to encourage customers to pay by cash. < 1394323916 240799 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, for a business it's cheaper if the customer pays by cash, but for a customer it's cheaper to pay by card. < 1394323923 378052 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1394323936 231534 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1394323936 901681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it cheaper to pay by card, exactly? < 1394323942 332733 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not talking about if it is cheaper or not < 1394323959 904940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the customer to pay in cash to avoid tracing the credit card. < 1394323987 588975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly you can take advantage of rounding laws in places that have them. < 1394323992 405472 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: because you pay for getting the cash from the bank; whereas I don't pay for paying with a card, the vendor is paying for the transaction, and also for the card terminal equipment and internet connection. < 1394324004 405598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't pay for getting the cash from the bank. < 1394324011 501473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And people generally don't. < 1394324030 885518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some ATMs with transaction fees, but they're quite rare. < 1394324055 168830 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1394324061 232585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't pay for getting the cash from the bank, because it is a credit union and the law in BC is that you don't pay if you withdraw from credit unions, whether or not you are using ATM, and if you are using a ATM, even if it is one for a different credit union. < 1394324076 50304 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you do pay if you wanted to use cash for everything. you can avoid most in practice by paying with a card. < 1394324099 96295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I keep the money in my desk drawer anyways; I don't always keep all of it in the bank anyways. < 1394324112 916463 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1394324116 397749 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1394324125 104410 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you pay a monthly fee for having such a bank account or card for which you don't pay for getting cash without any limits < 1394324128 579740 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1394324131 271779 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/getting/withdrawing/ < 1394324190 384157 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: No, I don't pay a monthly fee either. But I do pay shareholding fees, which is just a one-time fee, however. < 1394324218 414678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pay a (small) monthly fee, but that's not related to any specific no-withdrawing-fees account/card. < 1394324227 154959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need shareholding fees to have an account, and since I paid shareholding fees, they keep sending me stuff to vote for their board of directors, even though I have told them I don't care at this time. < 1394324283 835899 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I See < 1394324299 631043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very country-specific, of course. < 1394324335 21714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1394324349 792939 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also very country-specific how many vendors let you pay by card < 1394324370 608127 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here I shop in lots of places where I can't pay by card < 1394324394 929976 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so many as to cause a serious problem, but still < 1394324424 126087 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes people with me insist to pay by card, and I then pay them bach with cash afterward (and I always demand exact change). < 1394324459 919816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally, I only use cash in the university restaurants, because it's still slower to type a PIN and wait for the on-line confirmation, and those places always have queues. < 1394324490 961330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: those places also sometimes don't have change when you pay by cash < 1394324534 220666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1394324539 173548 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I usually carry 2000 forint banknotes instead of larger ones, so I don't meet this no change problem at such places < 1394324687 591835 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cross-bank ATM withdrawals take fees < 1394324700 849769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's about 14 or so places on the campus (operated by maybe 5-6 different companies), and they all have their own "buy 10 tickets in advance" programs that are completely incompatible. < 1394324702 523514 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I tend to be too lazy to walk to the ATM for my bank :/ < 1394324717 300193 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: exactly, and choosing the bank that has more ATMs take monthly fees < 1394324733 201523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, they don't, here. < 1394324788 105669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, rather, there's one ATM operator (Otto) that has maybe 90% of the ATMs, and withdrawals from those are free for at least most banks. < 1394324790 619550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: In British Columbia however, ATMs for credit unions do not have fees for any credit union in the province, by law. < 1394324819 764141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATMs for other banks still do sometimes have fees but not if both the ATM and your account are a credit union, even if they are two different ones. < 1394324868 626187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not even the restaurants operated by the same company take the same lunch coupons.) < 1394325457 489907 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1394325493 621898 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1394325574 156030 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1394325574 540960 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1394325873 293192 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1394326681 407673 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any cryptocurrencies backed by gold? < 1394327095 491963 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that work? someone is willing to give n units of gold per 1 goldbackcoin? < 1394327528 794249 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1394328259 491948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run while ! coins 5000 | tr ' ' '\n' | grep gold; do :; done | head -1 < 1394328290 20295 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1394328292 411769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does work, sometimes. < 1394328298 828015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run while ! coins 5000 | tr ' ' '\n' | grep gold; do :; done | head -1 # TRY AGAIN < 1394328317 755125 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goldenickcoin < 1394328325 91841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go. < 1394328332 820116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I got abellgoldicoin and goldrivcoin out of it, earlier.) < 1394329084 610838 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.177.103 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1394329288 745312 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1394329320 888204 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1394329443 415968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does playing MP3 files say things like [4:58/2:20] as the time? And the seek bar stays at the right side. < 1394329582 867102 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1394329931 782821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know which instruction sets have a flag-affecting-bit? < 1394330405 649502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like my "cpu16.txt" instruction set? (Now it is updated; all "reserved" instructions are filled in.) < 1394330654 344094 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear < 1394330842 643081 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to think of more WTNV-esque Computer Science-related statements < 1394331533 162101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What does that mean? < 1394331542 342522 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to night vale? < 1394331626 172234 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows, The New Vacuum < 1394331890 512564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no "call subroutine" instruction, but there is a "push and move immediate" instruction < 1394331907 834863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which can be used for this purpose) < 1394332084 931870 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1394334213 924650 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1394334341 912053 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1394336342 790303 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1394336748 892143 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1394337770 866787 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1394338008 218081 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1394338040 328352 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1394338311 340083 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1394338705 3573 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1394339272 672156 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1394339432 804368 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1394339699 234598 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1394340109 645958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1394340573 704099 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov pc, @sp-; mov #1234, pc < 1394341115 926590 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1394342691 720104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it OK if the shortest way to push zero to stack is involving the "load effective address" instruction? < 1394342692 306 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-067.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 3092 seconds < 1394342724 914135 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a version of dc with a arithmetic IF instruction? < 1394342730 906226 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cbsnews.com/news/darren-sharper-ordered-held-without-bail-amid-sexual-assault-probes/ < 1394342731 91564 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can post bail on rape charges? WHAT? < 1394342731 91799 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't you be able to < 1394342731 91893 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was under the impression there's a category of offenses which are not bailable, and not sure why rape wouldn't be in there < 1394342734 129362 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i understand it's done case by case (in the arraignment) and in fact the default is a right to bail. < 1394342734 329849 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"18 U.S.C. § 3142(f) provides that only persons who fit into certain categories are subject to detention without bail: persons charged with a crime of violence, an offense for which the maximum sentence is life imprisonment or death, certain drug offenses for which the maximum offense is greater than 10 years, repeat felony offenders, or if the defendant poses a serious risk of flight, obstruction of justice, or witness tampering" < 1394342734 524046 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so rather than only some crimes being "not bailable" it's that only some crimes admit the possibility of being held without bail. < 1394342734 735019 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they usually only set no bail if it's likely they're gonna run, or if it's likely they're going to do something again while out. football player probably isn't in either category. < 1394342734 937177 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time i was at an arraignment where the judge set bail at something silly because they were pissed at the media circus around the guy. kinda funny to watch < 1394342735 534135 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: In what instruction set is it? < 1394342737 476351 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have to fix the program counter when you are returning from a subroutine? < 1394343887 250814 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1394343921 289288 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1394344169 233142 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1394344195 25919 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no particular instruction set..sort of pdp/vax-ish < 1394344257 903779 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1394344297 195964 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1394344346 771266 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1394344349 327438 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1394344646 882524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: What is it for, then? < 1394344663 454630 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that if I ever have jury duty, I might not find out because my asshat of a dad gave me no way of retrieving the mail < 1394344691 377546 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He won't give me the mail key because he thinks I'll lose it. He promises to check the mail frequently but doesn't < 1394344700 165508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it true that you only get jury duty if you vote? < 1394344721 819278 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have voted in the past. < 1394344730 683614 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I doubt it's true < 1394345018 607385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any new cards in Pokemon Card for healing opponent's cards? < 1394345474 24282 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1394345557 307637 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1394345999 507573 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: just saying that call/return dont really need special insns if you can access sp. < 1394346033 689887 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie: add #8, lr; mov #printf, pc and mov lr, pc < 1394346034 935121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Yes, although you can't just mov pc; you should instead put the address afterward into stack. < 1394346054 206301 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or add it when popping the stack.. yes < 1394346098 533941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However then you need two instructions for a call, and one immediate value. < 1394346101 697857 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you can reuse/abuse other features, like indexed offset < 1394346135 371529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instruction set I just made recently, has a "push and move immediate" instruction so that you can save one instruction. < 1394346152 657001 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it take less cycles to execute ? < 1394346164 282278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, because it has to read less instructions. < 1394346176 111380 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1394346176 397617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think. I don't actually know because I haven't made a hardware implementation.) < 1394346220 256769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read them from: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/cpu16.txt < 1394346379 355545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did also recently fix a few things in it, and add some examples < 1394346461 550102 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of this? < 1394346479 284633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: How would you reuse/abuse indexed offset in that case? < 1394346626 609811 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have hardware for doing something like r9 <- fetch addr + off < 1394346637 50939 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use the same "+ off" hardware to add 8 to the pc < 1394346661 983561 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie in x86: lea [addr + 8], eax < 1394346682 659961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I suppose you can do it like that < 1394346944 581307 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1394348442 563647 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION abruptly gets hit by DST < 1394348510 68719 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep your arms and legs inside the vehicle at all times < 1394348534 69459 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION declares DST to be the single most monstrous thing. < 1394348627 425000 :aergus!~aergus@88.228.117.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1394349128 11609 :aergus!~aergus@88.228.117.4 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1394349162 462166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like DST, although, it is what is used. < 1394349178 752669 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my area it is DST in a few hours. < 1394349279 26015 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamically sized types < 1394350497 568046 :DTSCode!~DTSCode-L@174.134.25.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1394350504 141684 :DTSCode!~DTSCode-L@174.134.25.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys? < 1394350507 719627 :DTSCode!~DTSCode-L@174.134.25.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*! < 1394350528 857476 :DTSCode!~DTSCode-L@174.134.25.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know of the location of a compiler for the esolang cheese++? < 1394351013 525621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any. < 1394351056 439299 :DTSCode!~DTSCode-L@174.134.25.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill just have to write my own then < 1394351689 803828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1394352119 349500 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.159.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1394353780 772699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what programming language will you write it? < 1394354085 231192 :DTSCode!~DTSCode-L@174.134.25.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ < 1394354118 753682 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-175-247-158.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1394354314 806715 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1394354659 967568 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1394355573 85022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1394355591 768366 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1394355896 133507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/coins < 1394355896 819700 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' < 1394355943 374168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This pinball game has only five digits in the score display but I already earned over two billion points. < 1394356029 411869 :nisstyre_!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1394356178 781451 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have a high score of 5749128737 points, beating my previous high score of 2663351 points. < 1394357443 605676 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very pointful < 1394358612 556508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let shachaf'sHighScore = maxBound < 1394358613 530240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:150:22: < 1394358613 741420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Bounded a0) arising from a use of `maxBound' < 1394358613 926444 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable `a0' is ambiguous < 1394358613 926606 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible cause: the monomorphism restriction applied to the following: < 1394358613 926695 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf'sHighScore :: a0 (bound at .L.hs:150:1) < 1394358623 370542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks monomorphism restriction < 1394358635 96549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't even eta-expand :'( < 1394358646 63262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i thought lambdabot had that turned off? < 1394358676 404244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you can annotate the type hth < 1394358690 440727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let shachaf'sHighScore = maxBound :: Integer < 1394358691 340048 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:150:22: < 1394358691 525058 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Bounded Integer) arising from a use of `maxBound' < 1394358691 709960 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: add an instance declaration for (Bounded Integer) < 1394358691 710141 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: maxBound :: Integer < 1394358691 710231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : In an equation for `shachaf'sHighScore': < 1394358694 376689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1394358697 175937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but then i have to write the variable name twice #scow < 1394358699 95251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE NOT THAT < 1394358706 484636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean that < 1394358711 701211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point was to make it polymorphic < 1394358732 467245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let shachaf'sHighScore = maxBound; shachaf'sHighScore :: Bounded a => a < 1394358733 958552 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1394358737 236458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE: < 1394358741 15533 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :HERE < 1394358741 200588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1394358746 421937 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :.* < 1394358763 712543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that also writes it twice >:) < 1394358776 729756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also? < 1394358785 443022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the other solution you had in mind? < 1394358826 704236 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> shachaf'sHighScore :: Int < 1394358829 196997 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9223372036854775807 < 1394358842 743072 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> shachaf'sHighScore :: () < 1394358844 347547 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : () < 1394358851 712331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just somehow didn't get that was what you meant by writing it twice. < 1394358873 596485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> shachaf'sHighScore :: Char < 1394358875 401788 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\1114111' < 1394358881 468626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let instance Bounded Integer where maxBound = 100; minBound = 0 < 1394358882 683127 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1394358893 728833 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1394358906 524277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone is being evil. < 1394358929 584530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next he'll start unsafeCoercing babies. < 1394359241 382782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeCoerce oerjan :: Grownup < 1394359317 184625 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is unsafe coercion a crime? < 1394359452 702396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, who made is 03:00 all of a sudden < 1394359976 218221 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did < 1394360106 528280 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb you jerk < 1394360726 153049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the bicycle said < 1394360732 996721 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree < 1394360775 151581 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which i mean, i agree that it's early and that you are a fool if you haven't already slept < 1394360943 850856 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maxBound :: Integer < 1394360946 390797 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 100 < 1394361011 441429 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "maxBound :: Integer" < 1394361012 956849 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "maxBound :: Integer" < 1394361043 114247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to see the contents of .L.hs? < 1394361044 464791 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maxPlanck :: Integer < 1394361045 365447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `maxPlanck' < 1394361061 278205 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maxHeadroom :: Integer < 1394361062 448424 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `maxHeadroom' < 1394361093 936701 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers you can create instances in λbot these days. < 1394361123 522165 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/lambdabot-4.3.0.1/src/State/L.hs < 1394361336 524372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he means the @let adjusted version < 1394362382 906127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1394362412 178505 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.177.103 JOIN :#esoteric < 1394362781 686091 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :DTSCode: is that cheese++ related to the famous old cheese perlmonks node http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=45200 and the cheesy ring? < 1394364688 645069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "Starting with this version, the octave package now contains experimental graphical user interface (GUI) based on the Qt toolkit." soon it'll be indistinguishable from the 'lab. < 1394364961 109661 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let instance Bounded Integer where maxBound = succ maxBound; minBound = prec minBound < 1394364961 899269 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:160:20: < 1394364962 84300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `prec' < 1394364962 84456 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1394364962 84542 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : `pred' (imported from Prelude), `pre' (imported from Control.Lens) < 1394364967 320434 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let instance Bounded Integer where maxBound = succ maxBound; minBound = pred minBound < 1394364968 100097 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:154:10: < 1394364968 285067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Duplicate instance declarations: < 1394364968 285222 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance [safe] Bounded Integer -- Defined at .L.hs:154:10 < 1394364968 285310 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance [safe] Bounded Integer -- Defined at .L.hs:158:10 < 1394364981 572232 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maxBound :: Integer < 1394364984 241226 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 100 < 1394364988 694353 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undeff < 1394364988 924892 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1394364989 984429 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undef < 1394364990 392497 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined. < 1394364992 594284 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let instance Bounded Integer where maxBound = succ maxBound; minBound = pred minBound < 1394364994 3649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1394365012 998813 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let shachaf'sHighScore = maxBound; shachaf'sHighScore :: Bounded a => a < 1394365013 984626 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1394365932 587346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, the Octave GUI does not work. The screen just flashes once, and that's it. :/ < 1394366155 93177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropa#Nations_included_in_the_sculpture "Finland is depicted as a wooden floor including a male with a rifle lying down, imagining an elephant, a hippo and a crocodile." < 1394366163 668834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes, the embodiment of Finland-ness. < 1394366203 407845 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1394366336 333418 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1394366534 749631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may still be an improvement over a retarded lion < 1394366856 463538 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1394367156 350206 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1394367339 883555 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1394367340 583559 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1394367702 301412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1394369080 398292 :mr45!~mr45@cpc27-hudd10-2-0-cust59.4-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1394370657 702596 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-125.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1394371080 292311 :Slereahphone_!~slereahph@80.10.161.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1394371109 243617 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.159.192 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1394371109 428588 :Slereahphone_!~slereahph@80.10.161.243 NICK :Slereahphone < 1394371127 936094 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like perl? here's a challenge for you: construct a non-empty quine that prints its own source code as an error message => http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=1077569 < 1394371156 649580 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't like perl, solve the analogous task for python or ruby. < 1394372379 67630 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1394373906 396098 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-067.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1394373916 446096 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1394374002 270829 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1394374097 561069 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1394376144 342576 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: iteration on perl 5.14 easily gives http://codepad.org/YYYNKjrI/raw.pl < 1394376255 51758 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :python is even easier: http://codepad.org/aKTOVTHZ < 1394376329 137259 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changing the filename: http://www.perlmonks.org/bare/?node_id=119526 < 1394376355 433373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ah nice! < 1394376379 534639 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: do you wish to post a reply, or should I post instead? < 1394376469 562785 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a different quine on 5.18, so the one for 5.16 may be different yet < 1394376495 98434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I suspected that much, that's why I edited the post to ask for the version number < 1394376605 123569 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, actually constructing a quine, instead of banging it out with a script, may be harder. < 1394376638 293929 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are allowed to bang it out with a script < 1394376898 368657 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: this 269 line long script you posted is interesting < 1394376937 108271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it catch up itself using some long literal (whether double-quot or question mark delimited)? < 1394376953 624676 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it's 1182 lines long < 1394377064 454720 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have pasted the wrong data, it is 1238 lines here. < 1394377094 304926 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: well, it doesn't seem to be a quine here, it starts to differ somewhere after the thousandth line < 1394377120 323140 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, now I see how it catches up. < 1394377132 978229 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last line is "- has too many errors." < 1394377154 365486 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I can't see that in the code I downloaded < 1394377178 415349 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, that would have been my second guess < 1394378427 734618 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1394378956 214274 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Quit: up-grade < 1394378989 687280 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1394379021 169783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style oots < 1394379021 391768 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: oots (Order Of The Stick) < 1394379028 602396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily ^style oots, just for you < 1394379028 962130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1394379782 464053 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-125.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1394380468 282966 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1394380593 513073 :salvo!~salvo@net-188-153-241-134.cust.dsl.teletu.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1394380630 93562 :salvo!~salvo@net-188-153-241-134.cust.dsl.teletu.it QUIT :Client Quit < 1394381147 999399 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1394381530 692153 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1394381574 35910 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.243 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1394381663 230375 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1394381688 593435 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1394381933 232192 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1394382042 580370 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1394382142 393787 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1394382157 980431 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how do you feel about Xykon? < 1394382158 183038 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that, as bounty, i presume is a prostitute for me!! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! slice! < 1394382622 270418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1394382698 589352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1394382710 13520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's even worse than the Chrono Trigger style. < 1394382788 511138 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1394383243 528668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, after generating an exclamation mark and "slice", it's not possible to get out of the loop, thanks to backoff not being implemented. < 1394383335 480491 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how do you feel? < 1394383335 666048 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: here, let me down, greenhilt, and i would not be so dismissive of the thing and i can get my butt this morning. < 1394383356 563796 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i dont want to hear about your butt this morning or any. < 1394383356 751333 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: and my soul and nev'r... actually, y'know, the rune over behind xkyon's throne labeled " castle blowing her cover. < 1394383394 912807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: "xkyon". Really? < 1394383395 135550 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: master,, in enough detail as you, to seek it out... and this would never have enough to overcome by dr" < 1394383397 376036 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: who is castle and what do you mean "cover"? < 1394383397 560889 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: any such secrets or lies might contribute! < 1394383576 672845 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hence! < 1394383576 857831 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: by my calculations, taking into account the ambient temperature and our current longitude, i estimate that i have eliminated! we need to break, or simply forget about the laws that exist be enforced. they did the crime, let them do the time, and there, and you, the gods, that makes us all one big evil team here and there, and you, the gods, that makes us all one big evil team here too? < 1394383634 703143 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: a fie upon you, you devilish fool! < 1394383634 888123 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: wow, that is such a stupid magic item that can allow any bandit that defeated < 1394383673 931861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has to be an OOtS-related style, doesn't it? < 1394383684 715572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I keep expecting newsham to be a bot < 1394383689 624054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because news-ham was < 1394383691 328085 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1394383691 620570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1394383717 757657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :news-ham was only a bot because newsham wasn't < 1394383720 791463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1394384135 494853 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a sha256 hash! I'm a free man! < 1394384527 548209 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how up to date is the oots mode? < 1394384690 480061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It's scraped from http://oots.wikia.com/ so not terribly, and with some gaps. See http://oots.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Order_of_the_Stick_Comics for details. < 1394384744 584421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes up to comic 772 more or less contiguously, but coverage after that is very sporadic. < 1394385466 960121 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Quit: kernel upgrade < 1394385508 437603 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-odwzqbmzjdzxnuga QUIT :Changing host < 1394385508 659768 :ggherdov_!sid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov JOIN :#esoteric < 1394385508 659894 :ggherdov_!sid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov QUIT :Changing host < 1394385508 659961 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-odwzqbmzjdzxnuga JOIN :#esoteric < 1394386322 244608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, I wonder if that corresponds to the point in time at which Wikia went downhill < 1394386394 331913 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1394386510 905634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :#772 is from Jan 31, 2011. < 1394386547 786906 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1394386610 737796 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1394386658 495158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHackWiki split off from Wikia around October 2010, so that's the right timeframe < 1394386662 714732 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-125.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1394386722 272337 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the non-wikia oots wiki? < 1394386746 260024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: not sure whether there is one; they might just have abandoned rather than forking < 1394386769 579351 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there must exist one because there is a law that every subject is covered on exactly three wikis: somewhere on wikimedia, a wikia wiki, and one other unaffiliated wiki) < 1394386797 762818 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1394386938 411020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be an officially discouraged wiki, but there does not seem to be a replacement. < 1394387244 786581 :sterenzat!~sterenzat@193.106.31.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1394387535 96882 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1394387734 437389 :hochuhochu!~hochuhoch@193.0.146.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1394387797 520476 :hochuhochu!~hochuhoch@193.0.146.69 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1394387797 737850 :sterenzat!~sterenzat@193.106.31.219 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1394388767 212370 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1394388938 849532 :mr45!~mr45@cpc27-hudd10-2-0-cust59.4-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1394388966 919257 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1394388967 124721 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1394389313 192582 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that was... interesting. Repairing a slightly broken /var/lib/dpkg/available after a LTS->LTS Ubuntu upgrade < 1394389383 293151 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1394389860 905169 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1394389997 465223 :comsupport!~comsuppor@193.106.31.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1394390266 244540 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: hehe, that's an interesting rule < 1394390279 493255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: can a stackexchange site count as the third wiki? < 1394390323 188824 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... yes < 1394390347 868922 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: though I think it doesn't work, because Harry Potter is covered in two different places in wikimedia wikis, namely in en.wikipedia and en.wikibooks < 1394390366 342961 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and also on wikia and on stackexchange) < 1394390532 897854 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1394390538 594501 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: as for oots, the non-wikia one is the oots forum actually, though it's really unsuitable from a technical standpoint because it's not searchable < 1394390549 755898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does contain lots of documentation about oots still < 1394390804 47776 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I thought I had an explicit NoMonomorphismRestriction in L.hs ... but it seems I'm without access to lambdabot this week (I'm traveling, and the ssh keys are at home) < 1394390804 282493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1394390843 195044 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(embarrassing :) ) < 1394391007 309371 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1394391249 953685 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that doesn't count < 1394391258 988530 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: why not? < 1394391261 682336 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a wiki < 1394391280 504408 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're a moderator :P < 1394391475 212359 :comsupport!~comsuppor@193.106.31.77 QUIT :K-Lined < 1394391508 296998 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1394391723 214660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a look at the forum, but they didn't seem to collect transcripts there. < 1394391899 919966 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1394391990 920445 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrt the topic: Easter is in April this year I thought? < 1394391999 792065 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it should be the hares of April, right? < 1394392012 812200 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck easter 2014 < 1394392068 324482 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :April 20 says ddg in a browser < 1394392072 395550 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bot seems broken? < 1394392096 257259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just not here. < 1394392102 937695 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :broken meaning absent, ye.s < 1394392104 308597 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1394392116 849025 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, also I guess it is technically bunnies in English speaking cultures. Unlike us vikings who have easter hares < 1394392132 153304 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/bunnies/rabbits/ < 1394392172 513410 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realized that touchpad behavior is highly configurable .. no more accidental clicks by tapping, yay. < 1394392205 210162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, I really should figure out some day why my system nowadays decides to open PDF files in Gimp of all things. < 1394392215 285306 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just turn the touchpad off personally. I prefer the trackpoint. And I avoid computers without either external mouse or trackpoint if possible. < 1394392223 63865 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, lol < 1394392225 345026 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :though honestly, 'man synaptics' is intimidating. < 1394392254 22572 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... indeed it is < 1394392265 374590 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trackpoint does not match my mousing behaviour ... fast movements for activating windows. < 1394392270 596877 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I thought there was gsynaptics or some such GTK+ configuration GUI for it? < 1394392295 138453 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I alt-tab generally when on laptops. And use mouse when I can < 1394393273 958226 :aergus!~aergus@88.228.117.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1394393554 511635 :Slereahphone_!~slereahph@80.12.100.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1394393609 367314 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.243 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1394393610 257778 :Slereahphone_!~slereahph@80.12.100.235 NICK :Slereahphone < 1394394007 119146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1394394600 994403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loot < 1394394601 303231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 1h 3m 16s ago: I thought I had an explicit NoMonomorphismRestriction in L.hs ... but it seems I'm without access to lambdabot this week (I'm traveling, and the ssh keys are at home) < 1394394628 501028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let fnord = 1 < 1394394629 985894 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1394394639 859321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right hm < 1394394705 262855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let fhtagn = return () < 1394394706 328214 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:150:10: < 1394394706 515799 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Monad m0) arising from a use of `return' < 1394394706 515945 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable `m0' is ambiguous < 1394394706 516032 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible cause: the monomorphism restriction applied to the following: < 1394394706 516118 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : fhtagn :: m0 () (bound at .L.hs:150:1) < 1394394760 893258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let fhtagn = show < 1394394761 848912 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:150:10: < 1394394762 86899 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Show a0) arising from a use of `show' < 1394394762 273838 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable `a0' is ambiguous < 1394394762 274013 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible cause: the monomorphism restriction applied to the following: < 1394394762 274136 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : fhtagn :: a0 -> String (bound at .L.hs:150:1) < 1394394780 122424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show < 1394394780 347986 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-067.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't resolve type class 12Show a < 1394394781 533796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <() -> [Char]> < 1394394821 472231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "" < 1394394822 947534 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated < 1394394823 826851 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-067.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such variable var < 1394394836 505902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> val "" < 1394394836 693205 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-067.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such variable val < 1394394837 990509 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `val' < 1394394838 175829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1394394838 175988 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : `Sym.var' (imported from Data.Number.Symbolic), < 1394394838 176091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : `var' (imported from Debug.SimpleReflect), < 1394394838 176181 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : `ival' (imported from Data.Number.Interval) < 1394394860 965329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "" < 1394394861 153484 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-067.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such variable text < 1394394862 324324 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated < 1394394920 328926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -- hm < 1394394920 605216 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-067.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :command not recognized or not supported < 1394394921 653959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : not an expression: `-- hm' < 1394395005 1623 :aergus!~aergus@88.228.117.4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1394395012 822368 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1394395064 641510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : So it should be the hares of April, right? <-- there are march hares unrelated to easter too. < 1394395131 379026 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everytime i read "vorpal" i have to think about the goblins < 1394395189 492981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it's from jabberwocky < 1394395305 708540 :lomoleg!~lomoleg@95.215.143.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1394395823 748393 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, what? < 1394395827 470346 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed < 1394395875 155842 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, surely you know of Jabberwocky from Alice through the Looking Glass by Lewis Carroll? < 1394395936 737763 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I want to go back and read that book again. I... don't think I have it in English though. I know my parents do, but I don't think I have it... < 1394395965 454161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw there's a march hare in those books too < 1394396126 382406 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: dunno, i think the mane "vorpal kickass'o" is pretty amazing < 1394396180 740546 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1394396327 293694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1394396329 400656 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mincanchcoin 6ixcoin lcamoilecodistcoin dermencoin wakcoin stantcoin halloncoin billancoin berivascucoin spitafnfarmacoin fwittcoin bilecoin ampiracoin dogoroofcoin bubrackincoin c-logcoin baalcoin shaccoin paracoin biecoin < 1394396680 755128 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pays 5 shaccoin to shachaf < 1394396891 529246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're giving shaccoins to the source of all shaccoins; how bizarre. < 1394397128 882687 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my work computer also tries to open PDFs with GIMP (when it doesn't open them with pdf.js) < 1394397154 800301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think bilecoin is going places < 1394397163 176189 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also baalcoin < 1394397205 683263 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :baalcoin is probably too easily cloned < 1394397497 567465 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does GIMP support PDF at all? < 1394397536 129439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1394397546 486396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Though it's rather unsuitable for reading multi-page files. < 1394397558 154676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It opens a selection dialog where you can import the pages you want, as separate layers. < 1394397567 614333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it rasterizes on load, naturally < 1394397579 274901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, there's that, too. < 1394397582 59018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/eTiN there's probably some sort of a priority mechanism, but I don't know what. < 1394397595 811420 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1394397608 2016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not sure where gimp comes from; it's not in /usr/lib/mime/packages/ which I thought was the general source for /etc/mailcap. < 1394397718 187310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess it also picks up file types from .desktop entries. < 1394397741 547919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, unlike the /usr/lib/mime/packages/ files, there's no priority numbers. < 1394397778 915037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/usr/share/applications/gimp.desktop lists http://sprunge.us/ecff) < 1394397898 166655 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: dunno, i think the mane "vorpal kickass'o" is pretty amazing <-- what are you talking about? < 1394397916 432214 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : btw there's a march hare in those books too <-- oh you have a good point. it is indeed the march hare, not the easter hare < 1394398010 729719 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sure /etc/mailcap is used? I thought it was some files in ~/.config that were used? < 1394398030 29179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure at all. I know some software uses /etc/mailcap. < 1394398031 888718 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wine used to overwrite a lot of extensions (like .txt) which annoyed the hell out of me < 1394398048 974010 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed it by removing files from ~/.config/something < 1394398064 204682 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I found some way to prevent it adding new files, forgot what it was < 1394398155 424362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/.local/share/applications/ seems to be part of the file extension association mechansim of XDG. < 1394398157 642356 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone used mosh? The ssh-kind-of-replacement? < 1394398176 611661 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that sounds familiar yes < 1394398180 311610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes; I was a developer for a while < 1394398184 186516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use mosh. < 1394398199 192663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm using it right now :) < 1394398202 341851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say "I thought it was at least partly developed by #esotericers" < 1394398226 509847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also remember disliking it for no good reason < 1394398229 736255 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, does it have proper scrollback yet? < 1394398250 835131 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about xterm mouse input thingy for curses programs? < 1394398266 832449 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those two things didn't work last I tried it, so I just gave up on it back then < 1394398272 776856 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :was wondering if it was any better now < 1394398288 400337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it mosh is recoding the terminal codes, screen-style? < 1394398308 222393 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, pretty sure yes < 1394398312 192295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it does either < 1394398332 606254 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, it tracks the terminal state on the server side and then runs a state-sync protocol between that and the client < 1394398338 868290 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then, then I'm not going to be using mosh for a while < 1394398402 470869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use another program that handles scrollback < 1394398411 46721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just continue to act smug on IRC < 1394398429 470439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. tmux and screen both do scrollback < 1394398430 505209 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use screen anyway (which means I have server-side scrollback) and I've basically never tried to use xterm mouse support for anything other than some graphics demos :) < 1394398440 313998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as programs that handle their own scrollback (less, irssi, ...) < 1394398441 951123 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I prefer it to be in my actual terminal emulator, but okay. Doesn't solve the mouse input issue though < 1394398445 776498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I didn't expect Vorpal to complain about lack of mouse support in a terminal program; it's a legitimate complaint, just didn't expect Vorpal to be the one to make it < 1394398452 540350 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you need these things then yeah you probably can't use mosh < 1394398481 628903 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, need? No. Go crazy without them? yes < 1394398492 674155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: mosh can't do that < 1394398512 571717 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sadly that is the case. It is an awesome concept though. < 1394398522 686485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean inherently. < 1394398537 177795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you output 100 screens of output instantly, there is no guarantee you'll even receive all 100. < 1394398541 604210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just wants to sync the current screen state. < 1394398566 312596 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but question is if it could be redesigned to support it. I don't know. < 1394398578 716301 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway the mouse issue could be solved as far as I know. < 1394398581 174462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! you could send every byte that comes through the terminal, and negate half the point < 1394398585 200497 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, which terminal? < 1394398587 608076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes it can, there's a github issue about it < 1394398594 926156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's kind of ugly[3~y though < 1394398598 149823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugly* < 1394398602 128090 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1394398602 558914 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :recent versions of screen do transmit mouse commands (at least some variants of it), though old versions don't < 1394398604 520304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the traditional response is "patches welcome" < 1394398612 13321 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well, duh, terminal control codes are ugly :P < 1394398623 203904 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :VT100 is an ugly mess overall < 1394398629 143981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, these things are so complicated. At least the PDF app is now selected, with the aid of xdg-mime. < 1394398642 121862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I agree with you, no need for "duh" < 1394398652 382405 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm the opposite, I specifically have a patch to be able to disable terminal mouse support for some programs that want to use it < 1394398661 370343 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, that was not used in a provocative way < 1394398675 772417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1394398700 836730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think it's impossible to support scrollback; we've talked about a system for sending pages of scrollback to the client on demand < 1394398703 676234 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, oh? How does the existance of it bother you? Just shift select in the xfce terminal at least if you want to select text from such a program < 1394398709 770391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it won't be part of the local terminal's native scrollback < 1394398716 543558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it was in reply to Vorpal wanting native scrollback < 1394398725 282779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1394398728 248540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you basically can't do that < 1394398735 376819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You never know when you need to press shift or not. < 1394398758 940564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you could with mosh-terminal < 1394398764 592485 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, hm, why is that? can't you sync up to n (configurable) pages of scrollback? Or doesn't terminals support editing the history? < 1394398769 597419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: which links to mosh as its vt implementation < 1394398769 782765 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't* < 1394398772 284158 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it helps because I don't have to press shift to select stuff, and also because it lets me mouse click in the terminal window to focus on it (when another window was focused) without issuing a command < 1394398778 838053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: actually that's a cool idea. < 1394398790 322192 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't use this much these days though < 1394398790 579414 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, fair enough < 1394398811 776360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't think they support history editing < 1394398814 208909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1394398819 13351 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1394398825 219621 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I guess that would cause some issues < 1394398826 553783 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the programs where this happens are aptitude and elinks < 1394398862 37805 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if nethack4 gains mouse support, I might start to use this feature for it < 1394398864 414867 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1394398876 441929 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, I use mouse support in aptitude, heh < 1394398885 48163 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is about where I use it actually < 1394399016 541697 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1394399032 313191 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I think wikipedia is a bit confused wrt mosh: < 1394399033 579972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : e.g. tmux and screen both do scrollback <-- oh hum how do you do that? i've been having to capturing shell command with less just because putty's scrollback stopped working when i started using tmux < 1394399033 935932 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is no such thing as scrollback with mosh, even if your terminal window has a scrollbar, it disappears when using mosh,[17] this is trade-off for garbage cleaning: binary output is wiped away for what should make sense: no session lockups because you accidentally did a cat of a binary. You will miss output like this. The best way to mitigate this is currently by using mosh in combination with scre < 1394399034 123401 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :en or tmux.[18]" < 1394399035 762858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's an option I can toggle, so I can still use mouse support in programs where I want to < 1394399044 382841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know, I don't use them :p < 1394399048 844767 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scrollback and binary output? Really? < 1394399065 962719 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure they have anything to do with each other < 1394399286 314541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*capture < 1394399478 953157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1394399929 219969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1394399936 923821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok it was just ^B then PgUp and PgDn work until you press q < 1394399987 797029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to be precise, it's ^B PgUp etc. < 1394400084 986122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now i don't need to be so careful with shell output. < 1394400140 32593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the man page was confusing enough that i had to google for a superuser.com explanation, though :P) < 1394400182 276885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always just use the copy mode when I want to try screen scrollback. < 1394400214 318727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: afaiu ^B PgUp is an abbreviation for ^B [ PgUp, where the first part enters copy mode < 1394400230 319360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Was this screen or tmux? < 1394400234 85433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmux < 1394400246 856787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hokay. Screen doesn't seem to have that shortcut. < 1394400611 957901 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't chrome supposed to use one process per tab? < 1394400634 222249 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the task manager thing in chrome, some (unrelated) tabs are sharing currently < 1394400724 202333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh good, now both evince and zathura have stopped rendering ligatures. This makes reading the C standard so fun. < 1394400739 593703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For each type quali er in the list, ident is a so-quali ed pointer." < 1394400770 991406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the de nition of an object has an alignment speci er, --" < 1394400776 74273 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, whaaat < 1394400780 244359 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a strange bug < 1394400782 448232 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which distro < 1394400796 166416 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should use gimp to rasterize it instead? ;P < 1394400799 689054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An alignment attribute shall not be speci ed in a declaration of a typedef, or a bit- eld, --" < 1394400806 430495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bit-elds. < 1394400810 975050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Debian. < 1394400825 806743 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stable? < 1394400826 761731 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1394400849 865378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, not quite. < 1394400856 808887 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sid? < 1394400861 552873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1394400869 976038 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what did you expect?! < 1394400885 197673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be entirely honest, I expected it to work, since it almost always does. < 1394400890 39845 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1394401058 405035 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-19-125.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1394401111 203104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Both viewers render with Poppler, so at least it makes sense for them to share the bug.) < 1394401229 673973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73291 -- I guess people are looking at it. < 1394401318 37907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Curious to get this TeXGyre font as a replacement for Times.) < 1394401619 477893 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, huh? A PDF without the font embedded? < 1394401677 386808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :N1570 does not embed "Times". < 1394401706 671461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/YRKb < 1394401946 70090 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrrm < 1394401960 720757 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I guess you could install real Times? < 1394401967 72369 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should probably fix it < 1394401994 783095 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, probably corefonts < 1394402017 751285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean the Microsoft font, that's Times New Roman, and I've got it installed. < 1394402029 900315 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh okay, I thought it included Times too < 1394402061 295724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Times /is/ New Roman < 1394402079 710749 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, pretty sure Times and Times New Roman are different fonts? < 1394402088 83833 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise that is rather confusing < 1394402111 886403 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm addicted to wathcing Antichamber videos < 1394402117 598729 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though it ruins the game experience < 1394402118 785766 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Times Roman, and its licensees like Adobe and Apple, is the font family used by Linotype. Times New Roman, and its licensees like Microsoft, is licensed from Monotype. Linotype classifies Times Roman as the upright (Roman) font of the Times family." < 1394402126 649691 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, have you played the game yet? < 1394402130 458511 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, do so first < 1394402144 570454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if talking about the actual typefaces, "Times" is shorthand for "Times New Roman". cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Times_Roman < 1394402154 563981 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've played some of it a while ago but haven't finished it < 1394402161 857186 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm < 1394402166 323492 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not only. Times can mean the somewhat similar font by Adobe, or other fonts < 1394402180 554055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PDF is probably talking about the family, though. At least I would think so. < 1394402191 744221 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I started watching videos with the full realization that it would spoil the rest of the game < 1394402194 908452 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so is Times Roman and Times New Roman the same as well? < 1394402199 997600 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm really confused < 1394402218 414123 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing things? sounds hard < 1394402220 822304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm sure Times New Roman would be a better replacement for "Times" in this PDF than one where all the ligatures are named differently. < 1394402231 29442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's not confusing. < 1394402237 669753 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1394402251 366696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_type < 1394402257 805405 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1394402263 665142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Times New Roman is "the new Roman typeface for the Times" < 1394402275 580522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is understandably often shortened to just Times < 1394402284 723411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your quote explains "Times Roman". < 1394402307 303067 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so that is then the only difference between Times Roman and Times New Roman? Okay then I get it < 1394402404 816662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no difference. it's just names. < 1394402418 773373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you can contrast saying "Times Roman" vs. "Times Italic" or something. < 1394402440 266931 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough < 1394402483 769468 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1394402563 926517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, huh, guess not: < 1394402566 474991 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Although Times and Times New Roman are variations on a theme from the Times family, various differences developed between the versions marketed by Linotype and Monotype when the master fonts were transferred from metal to photo and digital media. For example, Linotype has slanted serifs on the capital S, while Monotype's are vertical, and the addition of a serif on the number 5[8] in Linotype's that is < 1394402566 673560 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : absent in Monotype's." < 1394402585 470569 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them invisible at normal size and distance though < 1394402587 71543 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well < 1394402641 866540 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Microsoft's version of Times New Roman licensed from Monotype matches the widths from the Adobe/Linotype version (a PostScript core font by Linotype). It has the lighter capitals that were originally developed for printing German (where all nouns begin with a capital letter). Versions of Times New Roman from Monotype exist which vary from the Linotype metrics (i.e. not the same as the version for Micro < 1394402642 69387 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :soft)." < 1394402651 528742 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay this is starting to get rather complicated :P < 1394402706 122657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for why fontconfig prefers TeX Gyre Termes, seems that fonts-texgyre installs a /etc/fonts/conf.d/30-fonts-texgyre-aliases.conf that aliases "Times" to it in such a way that it's preferred over the other, more exhaustive listings. < 1394402724 843377 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so I guess locally patch that? < 1394402730 998898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess so. < 1394402758 689685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mind you, it is supposed to be a "Times" replacement.) < 1394402888 593673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, ligatures. (Changed it with a ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf rule.) < 1394402994 194967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fontconfig configuration is silly-complicated, though. < 1394403320 604221 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: would you happen to know where the Antichamber music is stored? < 1394403335 462144 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to listen to the music of a part of the game (that I haven't reached myself) < 1394403490 986713 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, eh, nope < 1394403502 585456 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also xml < 1394403608 358213 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, just play the game first to avoid spoilers? You will thank yourself for it later < 1394403619 658220 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: too late < 1394403641 529045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antichamber soundtrack is in Spotify, if that helps? (It probably doesn't.) < 1394403644 548121 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was stupid then? < 1394403644 885313 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At any rate, I think I did get through most of the game before < 1394403650 445474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amusingly many game soundtracks seem to be there. < 1394403656 729086 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, huh < 1394403677 491604 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should get spotify then? Except I want to listen to it on the go mostly < 1394403679 366890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've listened to the Super Meat Boy soundtrack from there. < 1394403685 215721 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that would mean premium or whatever < 1394403695 231476 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also mobile data < 1394403706 110535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "sorta-free" on mobile these days, except quite limited. < 1394403726 264795 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? okay < 1394403741 502889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On devices classified as tablets, it's identical to the desktop version (so ads but otherwise full-featured); on devices classified as phones it's... something more complicated. < 1394403751 845135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can only listen to precreated playlists on shuffle, or something like that. < 1394403759 763943 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is stupid < 1394403767 802572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also no offline mode.) < 1394403782 991666 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Black Tile < 1394403788 176191 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://siddharthabarnhoorn.bandcamp.com/album/antichamber < 1394403834 576304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a lot are in Bandcamp too, that's true. < 1394403859 595837 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I get a lot of music from bandcamp these days < 1394403872 136832 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That or loudr < 1394403885 784401 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck music is all on Bandcamp, so < 1394403920 151492 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1394403935 146905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daft Punk should whip up an "Internet age" song they'd call "Hardr, Bettr, Fastr, Strongr". < 1394403936 965234 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antichamber is mostly ambient right? < 1394403946 379019 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1394403993 146253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Approximately 22200 people have made that joke before, I see. < 1394404038 679155 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I assume they made a song called that but spelled properly? < 1394404058 310127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1394404063 43038 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1394404088 546495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though apparently in 2001, I thought it was older than that. < 1394404090 551842 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah it appears to be ambient < 1394404161 989971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't seem to find a Wikipedia category or list article for "websites named like that". < 1394404303 967764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just an answers.com article with 132 examples.) < 1394404317 364281 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wow? Really? < 1394404326 336013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/BfRL there you go < 1394404340 568190 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why... < 1394404349 536593 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought loudr was a bit silly anyway < 1394404363 19661 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but calcr on that list? That doesn't even make any sense < 1394404381 871181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a calculator. < 1394404391 940851 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... Right < 1394404395 527470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"powered by instacalc". < 1394404399 729607 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :dotcomr? < 1394404413 295128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly a site for automatically generating more sites named like that. < 1394404420 506963 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1394404434 646360 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why this silly trend? < 1394404445 897413 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also loudr isn't listed < 1394404471 584189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it's newer than the answer. < 1394404480 253694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there DVD video player which can tell you the values of each registers and allow you to manually adjust them? < 1394404487 678684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some I can't quite guess from the name. Like "gickr". (Which turned out to be a website for making animated gifs.) < 1394404497 344264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And that can enable/disable UOP support) < 1394404735 721254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :idon'tevenknowr < 1394404740 498600 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -n '/er$/s/er$/r.com/p' /usr/share/dict/words | shuf -n 1 < 1394404741 70592 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: can't read /usr/share/dict/words: No such file or directory < 1394404819 519865 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, some of these might not work very well... 'youngstr', 'yawnr', 'zookeepr' < 1394404868 427261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words 10000 | tr ' ' '\n' | sed -n '/er$/s/er$/r.com/p' < 1394404869 913137 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tackr.com < 1394404877 69417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words 10000 | tr ' ' '\n' | sed -n '/er$/s/er$/r.com/p' < 1394404878 540957 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1394404879 711299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words 10000 | tr ' ' '\n' | sed -n '/er$/s/er$/r.com/p' < 1394404881 147806 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pr.com \ origir.com \ hundr.com < 1394404902 764740 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe skip the .com < 1394404904 867010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funnily enough, the one I got in query was "nigr.com". Way to be PC there, HackEgo. < 1394404938 507977 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gr$ ones could even use a Greek TLD domain-hack < 1394405002 406412 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess /p actually only applies if a substitution occurred. Makes sense < 1394405002 962565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flickr owns flic.kr, I think. < 1394405024 367159 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words 10000 | tr ' ' '\n' | sed -n 's/er$/r/p' < 1394405025 848449 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1394405030 729818 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words 10000 | tr ' ' '\n' | sed -n 's/er$/r/p' < 1394405032 224583 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :immr < 1394405092 40856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've also applied for the .flickr TLD, I see. < 1394405110 617345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prioritization number 1697, so not going to be delegated all that soon. < 1394405139 672278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they require a TLD? < 1394405154 181343 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that nobody else can register it, I suppose. < 1394405159 192824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also for "branding". < 1394405176 140822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK, if that is what they have to do so that nobody else can register it < 1394405185 746174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still isn't very sensible < 1394405247 990855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite remember the exact rules for the ICANN gTLD program; it's possible they had at least a bit more trademarks-and-so checks than regular domain names. < 1394405277 381479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So perhaps Yahoo is in fact the only one able to register .flickr, and they don't need to do it just for that reason. < 1394405316 460091 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a TLD called .ipv4 which takes whatever comes before and then ignores the IPv6 addresses associated with them (so that the domain "example.org.ipv4" will make a IPv4 connection even on IPv6 computers, for example). < 1394405384 300667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there aren't any IPv4 addresses associated, then the TCP/IP driver should make up a private IP address to connect through so that programs that don't support IPv6 can still connect. < 1394405441 750507 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if they would ever actuall register such a thing if requested, though. < 1394405444 876362 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, except tcp4 and tcp6 are not the same < 1394405454 255686 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that could be messy < 1394405498 377777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, it can use IPv4 addresses if they exist but if there aren't any then the DNS server returns no response, and then TCP/IP driver makes up its own DNS respose and tries to convert as best it can. < 1394405555 537791 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could proxy it? Anyway I guess the only really big difference is how the TCP checksum is calculated < 1394405557 347276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then the TLD called .usb can be used for connecting to local USB ports on your computer. < 1394405573 835402 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, it would proxy it, converting whatever is difference, in best way it can. < 1394405574 757989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall someone registered .USB. < 1394405585 964967 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, no that should be a prototocol, like usb+whatever:// < 1394405599 442448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think some of the many IPv6 transition mechanisms do DNS tricks. < 1394405635 693595 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1394405639 673209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, no applications matching USB. Must've misremembered. < 1394405644 70951 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But you still need some kind of IP address, that you can access it using programs that use internet connection. < 1394405651 829115 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shouldn't be a URI scheme < 1394405658 616182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wouldn't help anyways. < 1394405701 46282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather something like "9p://disk.usb/" can be a URL. < 1394405714 383304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have delegated .xyz already, I see. < 1394405732 288476 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, to what? < 1394405736 233244 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :gTLD or ccTLD? < 1394405747 887157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :gTLD. I don't think there are three-letter ccTLDs. < 1394405761 588853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to "XYZ.COM, LLC", of course. < 1394405773 783380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Prior to our domain extension application for .xyz we received interest from visitors who wanted to register .xyz.com subdomains and pay for premium @xyz.com email addresses. The market clearly demanded a new generic top level domain and .xyz was it." < 1394405776 841590 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole gTLD thing is pretty silly < 1394405777 792067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly. < 1394405791 772703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it you're not registering a vorpal.guru domain, then? < 1394405800 973657 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no not really < 1394405813 61996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a http://vim.sexy/ already. < 1394405818 883786 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't own any domain names at all < 1394405825 286141 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :They allowed .sexy? Heh < 1394405829 81092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is silly although there are better ways to do it, which they do not do anyways < 1394405853 661843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sign up now for a chance to get an early-access invite for Vim today. < 1394405854 945907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't make the cut? Guess you aren't ready for a next-level editor experience." < 1394405860 129678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a parody thing.) < 1394405884 252457 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think all you need is ccTLDs and some common ones like .com and .org. And .net is way to vague in what qualifies < 1394405932 840905 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also .edu and .gov should go, they shouldn't be US-specific < 1394405944 898338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And .mil? < 1394405947 399452 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or they should be removed entirely < 1394405956 346217 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh yeah forgot about that one, same for it obviously < 1394405981 656648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree you don't really need any of those new ones like .flickr and so on; it is completely silly. However, things like .ipv4 and .uucp and so on can be useful things to add on. < 1394405996 249089 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What on earth is .uucp? < 1394405999 926143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Governments would be country-specific anyways < 1394406022 817203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Access a UUCP address using internet domain names. < 1394406027 954482 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1394406058 439340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least there's no application for .onion yet. < 1394406064 990985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd so irritate the Tor folks. < 1394406076 777476 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1394406157 425281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they also opted not to allow anyone to register .local. < 1394406194 824845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should have application for TLDs which are specified as not used with global DNS, or otherwise are reserved or special in some ways other than normal registration of domain names. These would include .local and .onion and .ipv4 for example. < 1394406201 998765 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as .example and .invalid. < 1394406209 28858 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh god that would have been terrible :P < 1394406255 191759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least .local is codified in a standards-track RFC; .onion probably has no such protection. < 1394406269 154346 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeedf < 1394406273 212754 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed* < 1394406324 666761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why such "protected" registrations would be useful, in order to be registered as protected for only that reason and no others, to specify they are not used with normal global DNS. < 1394406334 680523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IANA has a registry for "reserved for special use" domains already; .ipv4 and such could go there. < 1394406347 680550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, it should go in there. < 1394406383 787039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It contains just .example, .invalid, .local, .localhost and .test. < 1394406401 370387 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :.arpa is pretty funny too < 1394406435 934539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And some non-TLDs: example.{com,net,org} and the special IP address ranges of {in-addr,ip6}.arpa.) < 1394406558 333040 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://eval.in/108854 < 1394406568 795199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also .edu and .gov should go, they shouldn't be US-specific <-- i am not sure .edu actually is, the nvg computer club i'm in had one for a while (nuts.edu) < 1394406583 932007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder how it's going for OpenNIC; at least .free of the new gTLDs conflicts with them. < 1394406617 740690 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, huh < 1394406618 140967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It is, nowadays. < 1394406622 299155 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenNIC's moribund, no? < 1394406630 791734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Earlier, they had exceptions. < 1394406649 475253 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's about .mil? < 1394406673 218302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Only U.S. postsecondary institutions that are institutionally accredited by an agency on the U.S. Department of Education's list of Nationally Recognized Accrediting Agencies (see recognized accrediting bodies) may obtain an Internet name in the .edu domain." (educause.edu) < 1394406728 918390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though they're letting existing exceptions live on. < 1394406732 460026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"According to the Cooperative Agreement between EDUCAUSE and the U.S. Department of Commerce, all .edu names in existence as of October 29, 2001, are "grandfathered." This means that everyone who already had a .edu name by that date (October 29, 2001), regardless of current or past eligibility requirements, is allowed to keep those .edu names." < 1394406836 85419 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1394406842 952388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1394406989 383842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenNIC website has no "news" section or anything else with dates on it, so it's hard to say how dead they are. < 1394407006 726429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :78 users on freenode/#opennic, so they're... slightly smaller than #esoteric. < 1394407017 547679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(According to the most objective metric.) < 1394407626 724168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :update: scott aaronson declares luboš motl unmasked, then bans him http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1720 < 1394407692 379240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now one character less on the blog. i guess sidles's ban should expire soon, though.) < 1394407742 764460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sidles is like the antithesis of luboš, yet manages to regularly get scott to ban him) < 1394407748 377107 :chaiomanot!~chaiomano@75-121-39-142.dyn.centurytel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why was sidle banned? :-\ < 1394407831 528415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc he ignored scott's claims he was speaking bullshit < 1394407838 758712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(vaguely) < 1394407882 984808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, motl even stopped doing research? < 1394407931 196695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if luboš motl can never admit anything positive, john sidles can never admit anything _negative_ is my impression. < 1394407992 341333 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a Platonist, < 1394408043 712410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling someone a retard three sentences before calling someone out for needlessly offending is a rather amusing irony < 1394408052 624705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... you like to leave people hanging < 1394408106 816839 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is correct. < 1394408131 558181 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah :/ < 1394408151 156781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um which one of them said that < 1394408162 497106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaronson, in the post you linked < 1394408169 330910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, sidles is that guy who comments on that other guy's blog. < 1394408170 897431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1394408199 597314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the P=NP guy. < 1394408201 572778 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he called motl a "social retard", see < 1394408202 661941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you mean gödel's letter? i'm not there any more but he used to be. < 1394408225 583207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did it jump the shark? < 1394408229 772405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes) < 1394408253 201878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, but i got too damned annoyed by the comment system < 1394408282 550522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rss kept cutting off at 10-20 comments, no matter how much activity there was < 1394408378 718781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow it feels worse to have a comment overview that keeps losing comments than having no overview at all < 1394408390 400728 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it like wanting to read comments < 1394408451 922122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: both that blog and aaronson's have a rather higher comment standard than you may be used to. < 1394408468 550311 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i know aaronson's does at least. it's still weird < 1394408471 499847 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 me < 1394408550 202408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know what they say about /.: we read it for the comments. < 1394408550 499378 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal isn't here? < 1394408574 84551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what nick does he go by nowadays < 1394408575 890489 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This explanation of why P probably != NP seems like approaching math from a scientific rather than mathematical angle < 1394408588 621032 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Warrigal commented on something like that once < 1394408628 365064 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean we're pouring calcium carbonate all over the graph isomorphism, or < 1394408651 756512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes, it was meant to counter luboš's claim that there was no evidence for or against, even by scientific standards, or something like that < 1394408679 546543 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: in terms of hypotheses and sufficient evidence rather than rigid proofs < 1394408706 294372 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's a yes < 1394408881 442216 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If there is no proof that means that there is no reason a-priori to prefer your arguments" lol < 1394408906 438867 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should start a campaign of showing mathematicians how flimsy everything in science world is. blow your damn minds < 1394408975 391416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lubos is a physicist. < 1394409006 863525 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the quote was from an astronomer, so there < 1394409067 500008 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly i just think scientists are really bad at philosophy < 1394409098 214906 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that science is not perfect like mathematics is. But it is the best way we can < 1394409126 208229 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a platonist < 1394409214 753801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you platonist? < 1394409242 929314 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1394409285 303021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, what are you? < 1394409292 881341 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh hey this post mentions Impagliazzo < 1394409330 939203 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.177.103 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1394409333 678209 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget the term. psychologism-ist or suchlike < 1394409353 974642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "psychologism-ist" mean? < 1394409395 605711 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychologism < 1394409425 11948 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. the shachaf is within me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychologism < 1394409480 154071 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this post is pretty neat oerjan. < 1394409497 990967 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stopped reading aaronson a while back but i guess i should start again