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01:59:55 <Sgeo> time + 17
02:00:00 <Sgeo> Aren't horrible hacks fun?
02:00:36 <kmc> ?
02:01:58 <Sgeo> NetWire provides an instance (Monad m, Num b) => Num (Wire s e m a b)
02:02:10 <Sgeo> Which means you can use, e.g., 17 as a wire
02:02:14 <Sgeo> Instead of pure 17
02:02:34 <Sgeo> Which... seems a bit needless, like a fancy trick that Ruby would pull to make test cases read like English, or something
02:10:22 <Sgeo> (from Sodium)
02:10:23 <Sgeo> "Data.Traversable.sequenceA is useful to convert [Behavior a] into Behavior [a]."
02:10:53 <Sgeo> That bothers me a bit.... presumably, the size of the list of Behavior [a] will never vary, but that's not obvious in its type
02:31:33 <Bike> "You Are Using: Firefox 27. CSM Recommends: Explorer 8" meanwhile, on the web
02:49:12 <mortape123> lol
03:01:18 <kmc> `coins
03:01:19 <HackEgo> stalcoin bistificidecoin dumplodecoin vilcoin commentcoin confiecoin astilcoin iapleasepollcoin tricoin rblockcoin appaghtidointolerentraccoin mousequecoin noobcoin rodoncoin gibbcoin quagecoin full0coin lazolcoin iicecoin archcoin
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03:52:09 <Sgeo> copumpkin: I hate to tell you this... but GitHub's Haskell hilighter sucks
03:52:26 <copumpkin> yeah
03:52:31 <copumpkin> especially with DataKinds :(
03:52:40 <Sgeo> Wait, actually, looking at it again... oh. Extension I don't understand
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03:53:31 <Sgeo> How do data ... things that need extensions to be made interact with code with those extensions disabled
03:53:52 <Sgeo> e.g. what happens when a function with no extensions enabled tries to use a (forall a. a -> a) -> a?
03:54:09 <Sgeo> Wait, that type doesn't make sense except as bottom or const bottom :/
03:54:37 <Sgeo> But I ... hope my question is sufficiently clear?
03:55:18 <coppro> Sgeo: Syntactic extensions merely enable the syntax; the semantics are always available
03:55:32 <coppro> a rank2 type could be referred to indirectly, but not explicitly
03:56:04 <coppro> modifications to the semantics of defined syntax occur only when the extension is available
03:56:19 <coppro> these two cases probably cover 96% of extensions
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04:09:35 <Sgeo> Aah
04:09:37 <Sgeo> *Ah
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05:11:18 * Sgeo is slightly surprised that kmc didn't say anything about Rust 0.10 being released
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05:42:35 <Sgeo> http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/b0x3z/so_readwriteweb_does_a_story_about_how_facebooks/c0kfwpu
05:42:37 <Sgeo> *twitch*
05:42:40 <Sgeo> *gurgle*
05:42:48 <Sgeo> They made a silly error and I can't correct them
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08:42:15 <oerjan> <Sgeo> They made a silly error and I can't correct them <-- http://xkcd.com/386/ hth
09:38:33 <b_jonas> does the wiki have something about the ioccc entry at http://www.de.ioccc.org/years-spoiler.html#1992_buzzard.1 ?
09:39:26 <b_jonas> there probably should be, the subset of C it uses after expansion is an interesting obfu language in its own right because it's not obvious how you can implement conditionals and other control structures in it
09:47:44 <b_jonas> huh? why can't I edit the wiki? when I submit the edit, I get a blank page as result and the edit doesn't happen
09:51:01 <oerjan> always with the bugs
09:52:49 <oerjan> b_jonas: EWORKSFORME
09:54:34 <b_jonas> oerjan: funny, I could create my talk page,
09:54:36 <b_jonas> but not my user page
09:54:54 <b_jonas> maybe it matches a spam filter rule or similar
09:56:24 <oerjan> i thought that was supposed to give you a slightly relevant error message.
09:56:48 <oerjan> maybe the wiki move broke something (a sure bet)
10:00:57 <oerjan> b_jonas: i created it, let's see if that helps?
10:02:29 <b_jonas> oerjan: no, still can't edit it
10:02:44 <oerjan> can you edit it to say something else?
10:02:46 <b_jonas> oh!
10:02:47 <b_jonas> I can edit it
10:03:00 <b_jonas> must be spam filter, because it depends on the content I edit it to
10:03:05 <b_jonas> maybe it doesn't like links
10:04:03 <b_jonas> let me try to bisect the text
10:04:27 <oerjan> b_jonas: you might be triggering filter 3, make sure to include a newline.
10:04:48 <b_jonas> what filter 3?
10:05:08 <oerjan> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter but i don't know if you can view that
10:05:26 <b_jonas> ah! apparently the newline at the beginning before the == matters!
10:05:36 <oerjan> "userpage contains no newlines and adds a link"
10:05:54 <b_jonas> sure, but I did have newlines
10:05:59 <oerjan> b_jonas: oh you start with ==? that's filter 4! :P
10:06:02 <b_jonas> but apparently it wants a newline at the beginning
10:06:07 <b_jonas> oh!
10:06:10 <b_jonas> so it's filter 4
10:06:25 <b_jonas> I see
10:07:01 <b_jonas> thanks
10:09:14 <oerjan> i suspect that regexp might catch === etc. as well, despite the description.
10:09:25 <b_jonas> no matter
10:13:00 <fizzie> I seem to recall that AbuseFilter errors have been just unfriendly blank pages also before.
10:13:39 <b_jonas> fizzie: sure, that's ok
10:13:45 <Jafet> Who needs section headings, anyway
10:14:27 <oerjan> Jafet: it only applies to user pages btw
10:14:41 <oerjan> because that's what the spammers did
10:16:27 <oerjan> fizzie: i'm also a bit worried that the filter statistics says it hasn't triggered.
10:16:44 <Jafet> They maliciously... used section headings?
10:17:12 <Jafet> b_jonas: uhh the fact that they implement a language with control flow operators (including goto) using said subset of C
10:17:16 <oerjan> Jafet: it's only when the page _starts_ with a section heading, which is not our wiki's style
10:18:27 <oerjan> it was presumably the most identifiable feature ais523 could find for that particular flood of spam
10:18:43 <Jafet> I see. Strange that someone runs into it, then.
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10:20:09 <fizzie> oerjan: Hm.
10:21:18 <fizzie> oerjan: Curious, there are no entries in the abuse log newer than 5 November, 2013.
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10:32:48 <fizzie> Well, would you look at that, there is in fact a bug there.
10:34:19 <fizzie> It was indeed an AbuseFilter match, and it's supposed to log it and give a "descriptive error message", but it has instead hit a PHP "must be of the type array, double given" exception, presumably due to AbuseFilter configuration syntax having changed.
10:37:59 <fizzie> (Though the value it complains about is a double right there in the documentation, so I'unno.)
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10:39:08 <boily> @massages-loud
10:39:08 <lambdabot> You don't have any messages
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10:40:00 <fizzie> "This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: an edit to a user page makes it start with an h2 tag"
10:40:14 <fizzie> Now it works, and gives that kind of error message.
10:40:45 <fizzie> Also ends up in the log.
10:50:23 <boily> (what? hungry ghosts in my labyrinth?)
10:52:00 <quintopia> boily!
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10:52:49 <boily> quinthellopia!
10:52:59 <quintopia> what do you think?
10:53:18 <boily> not much. my thinking functions are running on power saving mode.
10:53:30 <oerjan> fizzie: yay
10:53:56 <quintopia> boily: okay tell me about your favorite games
10:54:03 <oerjan> fizzie: mind if we start calling you fixie
10:54:24 <quintopia> because he has only one gear! makes sense!
10:54:51 <boily> quintopia: board or video? if it's board, I'd say Eclipse (which we played until midnight Wednesday night), mahjong, xiangqi and 将棋.
10:55:10 <quintopia> what about video
10:55:25 <boily> quintopia: video: I have a strong sentimental attachment to the old zelda, mario, DK and FF on the SNES. right now I'm a crawl addict.
10:55:57 <boily> (also, tetris. one can never get enough tetris in one's life.)
10:56:53 <quintopia> oh okay
10:57:07 <quintopia> what about other media
10:57:52 <boily> eeeeeeeh...
10:58:12 <boily> `quote Monday
10:58:13 <HackEgo> 1110) <boily> aaaaaurgh. you're making me think on a Monday! that shouldn't be happening!
10:59:00 <boily> quintopia: what kind of other medias are you thinking about of?
10:59:07 <oerjan> boily: it's friday hth
11:00:42 <quintopia> boily: books, shows, manga, visual novels, multiplayer rpgs, improv games....
11:01:42 <boily> oerjan: I know. there's an orange t-shirt waiting for me.
11:02:14 <quintopia> oerjan: what computational class do you think you would get by adding an FSM to a poppable circular buffer. (aka you can delete from the queue, or move an element to the back, but not add anything new to it)
11:02:53 <boily> quintopia: many things including the Discworld, I don't really watch TV, azumanga and yotsuba, haven't read any yet, don't play any, do you include tabletop RPGs in that category?
11:03:44 <quintopia> i was thinking of tabletop rpgs i suppose.
11:04:07 <quintopia> though less dndy ones and more storycrafting style ones
11:05:56 <fizzie> oerjan: No, but it might be a bit premature; I'm sure I'll get progressively lazier w.r.t. fixing things as the novelty wears off.
11:06:05 <boily> quintopia: then paranoia.
11:06:32 <quintopia> ok
11:06:37 <boily> (time to initiate the Morning Rituals and go to Work)
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11:06:45 <quintopia> bye have fun
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11:09:52 <quintopia> oerjan: ?
11:09:53 <oerjan> fizzie: yes but by then you'll already have fixed everything, right? O_O
11:11:39 <oerjan> quintopia: hm. if you could also change things you'd have PSPACE, but without that i guess you get something less. it seems doomed to halt or loop trivially...
11:11:58 <quintopia> right
11:12:13 <quintopia> without writing your own stuff, it's pretty weak
11:12:40 <quintopia> but is there a simple characterization of the languages it can accept?
11:16:10 <oerjan> that sounds even harder since you'd presumably need to massage data into the right form to get much computation at all
11:18:05 <oerjan> i'm thinking with just a _little_ massaging, you should be able to do LR(1) recognition at least.
11:18:39 <oerjan> or wait
11:18:55 <oerjan> it might be hard to get back to just before the same point
11:19:01 <nortti> could one modify the values in the buffer? or it it just read/delete/next?
11:19:13 <oerjan> no modification is what i assumed
11:20:35 <oerjan> it's not obviously equal to any class i know of, anyway
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13:57:45 <elliott> fwiw, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter lists the current filters
13:58:20 <elliott> I'm not sure about that #4. it seems overly restrictive
13:58:23 <elliott> I guess you can just use <h2> though.
13:58:31 <elliott> (but then, the description is misleading.)
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14:25:56 <b_jonas> elliot: you can just put a newline at the start of the page before the == mark and it works
14:26:10 <b_jonas> elliot: I've put a comment and a newline so that I don't try to delete the newline in the future
14:26:53 <Jafet> You can write an intro to the page
14:28:32 <b_jonas> Jafet: sure, I can write "hello, I'm b_jonas" or something
14:37:03 <elliott> b_jonas: <h2>blah</h2> is just as easy
14:53:30 <fizzie> http://sprunge.us/eEHB let's see you remotely TR-069-administrate my modem now, Mr. ISP.
14:56:14 <b_jonas> elliott: but will the wiki put that to the toc?
14:56:19 <b_jonas> the wiki formatter that is
14:56:22 <b_jonas> let me try
14:56:24 <elliott> yes
14:56:27 <b_jonas> nice
14:56:28 <elliott> it's not like your page has a TOC though.
14:56:44 <elliott> (at least, I believe yes)
14:56:57 <b_jonas> doesn't have a toc yet, because I haven't forced the toc with that magic string and has too few sections
14:57:28 <elliott> a user page long enough for a TOC is a sure sign of ego :p
14:57:40 <elliott> (okay, or more often on the wiki, brilliance)
14:57:50 <elliott> (or both.)
14:58:23 <Jafet> Eccentricity > 1
14:58:27 <b_jonas> just checked, mediawiki does put the <h2> to the toc as well
14:58:28 <b_jonas> great
15:02:09 <b_jonas> elliott: then I have ego. my userpages on both en.wikipedia and en.wiktionary have sections.
15:02:41 <b_jonas> enough sections to have a TOC without forcing it.
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16:05:36 <int-e> love the latest GG comic.
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16:37:09 <b_jonas> int-e: GG?
16:38:55 <int-e> girl genius
16:39:04 <int-e> boily would know ;)
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16:39:30 <b_jonas> ah
16:41:28 <int-e> (I may be mixing up oerjan and boily. I hope not.)
16:42:15 <Taneb> I read GG
16:42:19 <Taneb> Today's was good
16:42:31 <Taneb> fwiw, I also read FF
16:42:42 <int-e> freefall?
16:42:46 <Taneb> Aye
16:43:05 <ion> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/microsoft/10741243/Government-pays-Microsoft-5.5m-to-extend-Windows-XP-support.html
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16:44:48 <fizzie> How about GC?
16:46:36 <int-e> gene catlow? stopped reading in 2009.
16:47:12 <int-e> (that's the only match in my comic bookmarks)
16:47:28 <fizzie> I was referring to Gunnerkrigg Court, actually.
16:47:33 <int-e> err
16:47:44 <int-e> Pattern match failure then.
16:47:47 <int-e> I do read that one.
16:47:53 <int-e> Funny.
16:49:21 <Taneb> Yes, I read that
16:49:22 <Taneb> And EGS
16:50:02 <fizzie> BACON and EGGS.
16:50:42 <int-e> Taneb: bookmark points to http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-07-12
16:51:25 <int-e> I was moving at the time, starting on a new job, ... I guess that's why I stopped reading. And I didn't miss it enough to start again.
16:53:30 <fizzie> I probably stopped reading EGGS around thereabouts, too.
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18:30:38 <^v> i have a massive number which is x^x http://pastebin.com/dxYJhSWh
18:30:42 <^v> how do i find out what x is
18:34:21 <nooodl> lambert W function i bet
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18:37:35 <Jafet> > 666^666
18:37:36 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:4: error: expected: "$",
18:37:36 <idris-ircslave> "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*", "***",
18:37:36 <idris-ircslave> "+", "++", "-", "->", ".", "/",
18:37:36 <idris-ircslave> "/=", ":+", ":-", "::", ":::",
18:37:36 <idris-ircslave> ":=", "<", "<$", "<$>", "<*>",↵…
18:37:37 <lambdabot> 2715417592887128558260874551700217860278385210650169871782230046965783675347...
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18:38:27 <olsner> idris-ircslave: stop reacting to lambdabot's prefixes
18:38:27 <idris-ircslave> When elaborating an application of constructor __infer:
18:38:27 <idris-ircslave> No such variable stop
18:40:19 <Melvar> olsner: Use @run.
18:40:45 <Jafet> idris-ircslave: 666**666
18:40:45 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:4: error: expected: "$",
18:40:45 <idris-ircslave> "$>", "&&", "&&&", "***", "+",
18:40:45 <idris-ircslave> "++", "-", "->", ".", "/", "/=",
18:40:45 <idris-ircslave> ":+", ":-", "::", ":::", ":=",
18:40:45 <idris-ircslave> "<", "<$", "<$>", "<*>", "<+>",↵…
18:42:02 <Melvar> There’s no infix operator for it yet, because nobody’s gotten around to adding it.
18:42:27 <Melvar> ( :t pow
18:42:27 <idris-ircslave> Prelude.pow : Num a => a -> Nat -> a
18:43:11 <nooodl> :t powerMod
18:43:13 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `powerMod'
18:43:15 <nooodl> sad :(
18:44:47 <nooodl> >>> itertools.ifilter(lambda x: pow(x, x, 1000000) == 598016, itertools.count()).next()
18:44:52 <nooodl> this is a fun way to find it
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18:50:01 <fizzie> "solve x^x = (big number here) for x real" in W|A works up to some point, though not quite up to 666^666 without W|A Pro.
18:50:01 <Jafet> % Solve[x^x == 2.715*10^1880, x]
18:50:14 <Jafet> {{x -> 665.9999794971646}}
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19:35:17 <augur> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRvK_07KRV8
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20:35:14 <oerjan> <int-e> love the latest GG comic. <-- yep
20:36:30 <fizzie> I can't find my Winterbells high score. :/
20:36:44 <oerjan> <int-e> (I may be mixing up oerjan and boily. I hope not.) <-- it's conceivable we both read it.
20:38:12 <oerjan> Taneb: DD, FF and GG, the cream of webcomics.
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20:42:54 <b_jonas> GG is Girl Genius, FF is Freefall, but what's DD now?
20:43:13 <b_jonas> ah, you mean Darths and Droids
20:43:14 <b_jonas> duh
20:43:36 <myname> i don't know any of them :(
20:43:42 <b_jonas> or maybe Doghouse Diaries? hmmm
20:43:48 <b_jonas> stupid acronyms
20:44:00 <b_jonas> myname: if it helps, http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/sc/grn lists all webcomics I read and many I don't read
20:44:34 <myname> i'd love something like a generic wbcomic reader for android
20:44:47 <b_jonas> myname: don't you have a browser?
20:45:01 <b_jonas> for almost all webcomics, you only need a browser
20:45:09 <myname> i don't want to read webcomics via gprs
20:45:19 <b_jonas> oh, I see
20:45:42 <b_jonas> I have some webcomics downloaded, both to read locally and to have a backup copy in case the online one disappears
20:45:48 <b_jonas> do you want some of them zipped?
20:46:33 <myname> i could do that myself, but it's just a huge lack of comfort
20:47:06 <oerjan> augur: i found that presentation a bit one-sided.
20:47:08 <b_jonas> on contrary, for some webcomics (not all by far) it's quite convenient to read off-line using a plain image viewer
20:47:58 <augur> oerjan: *rimshot*
20:48:09 <myname> i am looking forward to manga watcher adding custom sites
20:48:10 <augur> oerjan: actually i was iritated by the last bagel, cause its not a moebius bagel
20:48:22 <oerjan> it's not?
20:48:28 <myname> i may build a wrapper site for webcomics
20:48:59 <myname> what the hell is a moebius bagel
20:49:07 <Taneb> myname, that's not actually legal
20:49:13 <augur> myname: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRvK_07KRV8
20:49:19 <Taneb> Sort of
20:49:21 <Taneb> I think
20:49:30 <oerjan> i guess it's a möbius bagel complement
20:49:36 <myname> Taneb: yeah, but i don't care
20:49:56 <fizzie> I used to have a Perl script that watched a web page for a changing image (with crummy parse-HTML-with-regexps rules to detect the current image) and fake a RSS feed entry with a direct link to that image, for webcomics that don't do feeds.
20:49:58 <myname> i don't have any plans of making it widely accessable
20:50:02 <fizzie> It worked reasonably well.
20:50:21 <int-e> fizzie: Hmm, potentially addictive. I presume that 59k is still a fairly low score.
20:50:42 <fizzie> int-e: Well, I found mine, and it was approximately 107383695948381900000.
20:50:56 <fizzie> int-e: The five last digits didn't fit in the counter, so it's hard to be sure.
20:50:58 <int-e> yeah. doubling is a stupid idea.
20:51:26 <fizzie> It did take maybe a 15-minute session to rack up that score.
20:51:27 <int-e> (but nevertheless it'll take quite a bit of practice to get that far. I'd rather play 2048)
20:51:31 <oerjan> @run logBase 2 107383695948381900000
20:51:33 <lambdabot> 66.54133686351024
20:51:45 <augur> oerjan: its not
20:51:59 <augur> its just a bagel with a double twisted cut
20:51:59 <fizzie> int-e: Also, I was playing it with a Wacom tablet back then, which I think made it rather easier.
20:52:20 <myname> this is plain wrong
20:58:04 <b_jonas> myname: mobius bagel: http://www.georgehart.com/bagel/bagel.html
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21:31:52 <Bicyclidine> «b = uicontrol('Style','pushbutton','Units','normalized','Position',[.5 .5 .2 .1],'String','click here');» now b equals .0015. thanks matlab.
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22:16:54 <fizzie> "ME-E4100 Advanced Computer Graphics -- The course concludes in a rendering competition -- The winner will be chosen by Eric Tabellion of Dreamworks Animation -- The competition has a main prize of a Geforce GTX TITAN graphics card, courtesy of Nvidia Corporation."
22:16:58 <fizzie> So... incentivized.
22:17:16 <fizzie> (Also I don't think they had anything like that going on when I was doing the related courses.)
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22:21:12 <Bicyclidine> fizzie: you know anything about GUIDE?
22:25:53 <kmc> TIL facebook wrote their own C preprocessor https://code.facebook.com/posts/476987592402291/under-the-hood-warp-a-fast-c-and-c-preprocessor/
22:27:51 <olsner> skimmed some low-level optimizations it makes use of, but does it do something clever too?
22:28:28 <kmc> beats
22:28:29 <kmc> me
22:28:38 <kmc> apparently clang's is still faster, because it uses SSE4 string ops on x86
22:29:52 <elliott> kmc: "walter bright wrote a C preprocessor for facebook", even
22:30:04 <kmc> should i know who that is
22:30:09 <elliott> he created D
22:30:22 <elliott> also a long-time C and C++ compilers guy
22:30:25 <Bicyclidine> dick joke
22:32:32 <Bicyclidine> "If you use a name that MATLAB cannot unambiguously distinguish as a variable inside a parfor-loop, atparse time MATLAB assumes you are referencing a function" i hate this system so much
22:35:54 <Melvar> Whyyy is that even different?
22:36:58 <Bicyclidine> () is overloaded to mean function call on functions, or matrix access on variables, because idon't fucking know
22:40:20 <Melvar> Ohright, I don’t think you can do matrix access on a literal, either …
22:42:12 <Bicyclidine> nope.
22:43:17 <Bicyclidine> expression more like dontneedthatession
22:45:11 <Bicyclidine> wow GUIDE is just like visual basic, jesus christ i haven't used this since middle school
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23:35:04 <pikhq> I imagine that GCC's preprocessor is pretty easy to beat on speed though.
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