< 1401494412 439942 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of flowery stuff, what is that one? → https://www.dropbox.com/s/yiki722p5addshq/2014-05-30%2018.05.16.jpg < 1401494422 425713 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@137.53.249.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an example of a coyoneda value < 1401494445 792354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :douglass_: ^ do you know this flower < 1401494492 951043 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :douglass_ knows flowers? I'll remember that :) < 1401494506 984054 :douglass_!~iridium@18.9.64.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recognize that one < 1401494521 325967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :flower looks familiar < 1401494532 621605 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401494540 460546 :douglass_!~iridium@18.9.64.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the flowers look very generic rosaceae but could be something else < 1401494578 523123 :douglass_!~iridium@18.9.64.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those notched leaves are probably more distinctive < 1401494613 339794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: an expert in all plantal and fungal matters, clearly < 1401494623 776730 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the flowers are very small, about ¼” Ø. < 1401494629 788149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: ([97,98,99], chr) < 1401494652 634910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Øngstråm? < 1401494686 87406 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I can't type the real Unicode Diameter symbol on my keyboard, so I defaulted to Ø. < 1401494712 440604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1401494725 371640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode DIAMETER SYMBOL < 1401494726 106269 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1401494733 348851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1401494739 773352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode [DIAMETER SYMBOL] < 1401494740 779742 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0000 \ UTF-8: 00 UTF-16BE: 0000 Decimal: � \ . \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: BN (Boundary Neutral) \ \ U+0001 \ UTF-8: 01 UTF-16BE: 0001 Decimal:  \ . \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: BN (Boundary Neutral) \ \ U+0002 \ UTF-8: 02 UTF-16BE: 0002 Decimal:  \  \ Category: Cc (Other, C < 1401494741 282481 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401494746 338469 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1401494751 772826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1401494783 716656 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@137.53.249.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401494785 533783 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode DIAMETER SIGN < 1401494786 73831 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⌀ < 1401494808 695296 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right. I'm using urxvt, therefore I can Ctrl-Shift-Hexcode. < 1401494837 86985 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :⌀⏑⌀ < 1401494846 668645 :douglass_!~iridium@18.9.64.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can look harder at it when I'm not at work < 1401494928 153788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⌀⏑⌀ < 1401494928 693632 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2300 DIAMETER SIGN] [U+23D1 METRICAL BREVE] [U+2300 DIAMETER SIGN] < 1401495154 969148 :douglass_!~iridium@18.9.64.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid all-hands meeting < 1401495302 394233 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all-hands meeting on a Friday afternoon? why not? it's vile, it's horrendous, it makes God do Bad Things to kittens! < 1401495406 487404 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401495406 781490 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401495516 689921 :Zyprexa!~qwe@179.186.158.62.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1401495976 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:kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :developing for rustc is a world of rebase pain... between the time you write a patch and when you get it merged, somebody will have renamed a std lib function and literally 2,500 occurrences of it within the rustc codebase < 1401498343 969614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :servo is meant to build on a specific rustc version that only updates every month or two, but rustc is always meant to be built by the latest version of itself, AND by the "stage0" snapshot binaries, which can be significantly further behind < 1401498424 961150 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1401498437 56195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well it's all part of the fun really < 1401498443 417686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a faster machine at home to do this stuff < 1401498462 902595 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1401498490 639806 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the std lib is split into more compilation units now so it can build more in parallel < 1401498530 642893 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401498721 460066 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401498751 277262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shouldn't really be complaining about getting 55 SO rep just because GHC doesn't have -fwarn-tabs on by default and stackoverflow reformats tabs to 4 spaces so no one else realizes why the code is wrong, but it's a little stupid. < 1401498779 622991 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401498823 770418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1401499188 346526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so rep can be redeemed for so many good jams < 1401499198 919566 :rottytooth!~rottytoot@static-71-183-108-23.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY! < 1401499262 297904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already have jam, whats the problem < 1401499278 480299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is this done shachaf < 1401499305 779660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i haven't collected enough so rep to find out < 1401499317 599578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know it can be done < 1401499329 36316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else would people be collecting it for < 1401499416 925898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what kind of jam do you have < 1401499427 589892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it Balsamic Caramelized Onion Spread < 1401499447 577217 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that's more of a chutney... < 1401499468 28620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :strawberry hth < 1401499469 769176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a 15-card booster pack of Magic: The Gathering cards < 1401499470 560946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1401499475 937935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :strawberry is good too < 1401499492 133108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about cloudberry < 1401499493 382108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lakka) < 1401499497 191428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good jam < 1401499517 875656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't had that in a while. < 1401499630 933845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently this one berry has multeple names < 1401499657 999852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iswtd < 1401499665 779279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+y < 1401499887 181333 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a cruchon of lingonberry jam from ikea. it was good. < 1401499897 190776 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how do you say fr:cruchon in English?) < 1401499915 494418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: dare I go this far into the macro rabbit hole? https://gist.github.com/kmcallister/94de6ddc5098c43fd3ff < 1401499949 662558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt kmc manages to get macros banned from rust < 1401499956 838417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1401499961 372069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll fork the language if that happens < 1401499999 907689 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: GLASS CHICKEN < 1401500003 290325 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401500035 29086 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I once wrote a program that turned the XQuery spec into an xquery compiler < 1401500041 281703 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1401500053 531125 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: nice < 1401500055 979918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night Taneb < 1401500059 784212 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so you should use that as your DSL < 1401500083 157502 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely there's a grammar for HTML5 you can transform < 1401500095 203161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope! < 1401500099 438954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen the HTML5 syntax spec. < 1401500103 609116 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: haha, no < 1401500118 162599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/tree-construction.html#tree-construction < 1401500166 543901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like spaceteam. 'Set the frameset-ok flag to "not ok"!' 'Reconstruct the active formatting elements!' < 1401500182 525443 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man I should play spaceteam < 1401500196 302443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tokenizer is a bit more structured; you could maybe translate it, although it would be better for WHATWG to maintain a machine-readable spec that is translated to HTML < 1401500199 298869 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/tokenization.html < 1401500200 183777 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose technically it counts as a "grammar"? < 1401500214 980051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not actually undecidable, so yeah < 1401500216 508888 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that's about as much a grammar as is the output of Yacc. < 1401500266 728869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammars can be undecidable hth < 1401500295 756719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cruchon hth < 1401500295 868918 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1401500442 798543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: note that the existing code has shit like start!(mut t) if match_atom!(t.name { ... 30 LINE LONG GUARD ... }) => Done, < 1401500786 191533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :still really pleased that LLVM can compile match_atom!() into tests on an immediate bitmask < 1401500819 659181 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh that's cool < 1401501182 802617 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-57-171.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401501243 489222 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401501488 659325 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401503209 32197 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't there seem to be many offline HTML5 validators? < 1401503223 821700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering that once < 1401503245 666293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I failed at setting up a local instance of the popular one, forget what it's called < 1401503277 455938 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1401503296 174767 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, do any of them allow settings to allow for one specific kind of invalidity to pass? >.> < 1401503306 343215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know < 1401503312 60956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which kind? < 1401503341 725968 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown non data- attributes. I blame Angular. < 1401503482 373759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1401503493 472191 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: helluva macro < 1401503557 968276 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1401503565 611252 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only problem is it doesn't exist yet < 1401503604 73054 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1401503642 154775 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish ads were better targetted. Don't show me ads for Christian dating sites, and don't show me ads for a game that I'm already addicted to (although ads for fansites still make sense) < 1401503655 241318 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1401503664 783641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you willing to accept more invasive personal tracking to make that happen < 1401503670 114574 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: they shouldn't need it right? < 1401503677 224201 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Like, if they are going to show me an eve ad < 1401503689 721589 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can say "He logged on to eve form that IP 30 minutes ago" < 1401503693 673969 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :"instead show him an ad for PLEX" < 1401503699 222593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1401503799 413022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, people using historical life-expectancy-at-birth as an indicator of when average adults would die < 1401503884 598756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :regarding Christian dating: "Look, obviously God wanted us to enjoy ourselves, that's why he invented pills and clubs and lube and hardcore. But he also wanted us to give something back, and that's why he created the homeless, the lepers and the oil spills." < 1401504061 3527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1401504062 386594 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13colacoin 04unacoin 07revergcoin 08mempcoin 09pohtcoin 02reszekcoin 06hesecoin 13excollicoin 04luillineigateuropricoin 07tunimalcoin 08rocontinucoin 09homeofthesiscoin 02cordcoin 06libacoin 13sebourgcoin 04skynurtecoin 07timebrackcoin 08numgestcoin 09minimaltllycoin 02patrecoin < 1401504085 118371 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-128-233.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401504209 298885 :augur_!~augur@pool-71-178-132-42.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401504287 793663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1401504314 853088 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401504404 11541 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you link a program compile with GNU C compiler with a program compile with Visual Basic 6? < 1401504567 715911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm worried about whatever plan you have, zzo38. < 1401504602 104032 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VB6 isn't quite gone away enough to make it cool and retro < 1401504616 201155 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commodore BASIC is. < 1401504658 617488 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, go for IBM COBOL. < 1401504760 848228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of that is the point... < 1401505572 724762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointless cobol < 1401506007 616790 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you considered telling some of my company's clients? < 1401506022 504586 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Subjective_Effects_of_Nitrous_Oxide read plz < 1401506034 149338 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to not finish a cobol struct parser kthx < 1401506088 433433 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that guy < 1401506233 360643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ooh you actually do cobol-related programming? < 1401506288 529382 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presently? Yes, actually. < 1401506318 692736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: iirc VB 6 can load .dlls < 1401506339 428214 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out that some places will pay ludicrous amounts of money for a product that lets you take in random mainframe data and spit out something actually sane. < 1401506414 645429 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes I know, but I want it to be static linking < 1401506426 105382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i don't know < 1401506428 919605 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why? < 1401506485 482279 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly *hard*, just irritating, because it's practically a computer archaeology project. < 1401506517 820325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a Windows GUI program which can be static linked with cross-platform C programs < 1401506577 727821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the moves-per-second indicator I drunk-coded for 2048 shows NaN until you use the "restart game" feature at least once < 1401506580 823932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, javascript < 1401506594 391189 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: There's got to be better ways of doing that < 1401506663 385555 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This incidentally is *not* the fun part of my job. :P < 1401506683 926641 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sprocklem: Maybe, but, what is it going to be? < 1401506749 24392 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know < 1401506864 469356 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc : due to 0/0? < 1401506913 175111 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or js fills missing numerical variables with nan? :O < 1401506940 184535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think because undefined * 0 = NaN < 1401506942 844584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who knows < 1401506975 840025 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lul JS < 1401506985 899300 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like the web but JS :( < 1401506997 646527 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should switch to NaCl < 1401507028 14556 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does js compare to, like, python, lua and perl? < 1401507040 683127 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are the other languages in that "category" < 1401507061 234861 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it depends how you're trying to classify... < 1401507079 608885 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda like python, but with a more C-like syntax, but without python's big std lib < 1401507084 467832 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my classification depends on the major preformance tradeoffs < 1401507103 436645 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS has probably one of the fastests JITs around < 1401507112 393625 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no garbage collection = C, C++, asm, some others like fortran < 1401507129 235036 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :garbage collection but no dynamic typing = java, C# < 1401507141 838655 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS is garbage collected, interpteted/JITted, dynamically typed (but secretly not for perf) < 1401507155 839857 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamic typing = JS, lua, perl, python... < 1401507174 728767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: itym C, C++, asm, Rust! < 1401507185 550481 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1401507191 563665 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: JS is also very weakly typed < 1401507192 980227 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS uses closures pretty heavily, including as "classes" < 1401507223 375965 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS has a lot of weird type system interactions too, especially with things like implicit conversion to strings and numbers < 1401507234 482963 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: It's got prototype base object orientation < 1401507261 500868 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :object orientation doesn't really have an impact on performance < 1401507264 829877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my record time so far is 220 seconds, which I guess is pretty good, although I'm playing a variant of 2048 which is easier than the official one < 1401507283 651073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think SQLite also uses a kind of dynamic typing? (This is different from some other SQL implementations which are statically typed) < 1401507297 391443 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: No < 1401507319 668572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: the biggest difference between JS / asm.js and NaCl is not language but platform < 1401507321 428944 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :inversely dynamic typing does... you can go through all sorts of JIT compilation hoops to try to remove the impact but that's hard < 1401507325 182162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :asm.js uses standard web APIs < 1401507334 284497 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NaCl uses things that are chrome-only for all practical purposes < 1401507339 611973 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can guess which one mozilla favors... < 1401507340 556665 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: NaCl with standards APIs would be <3 < 1401507343 545714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1401507352 478710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can guess which one Google favors, too < 1401507361 186474 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I got drunk with Eich the day Google announced Dart; that was funny :p < 1401507364 16674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1401507364 607999 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anything important use nacl yet? < 1401507378 332539 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: lots of googly stuff does < 1401507415 213757 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a list of Google web properties allowed to use NaCl hardcoded into chrome < 1401507419 148481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\rainbow{vertical integration} < 1401507431 658336 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1401507503 555155 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: rust needs emscripten support :p < 1401507517 939908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my problem < 1401507530 769499 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but running servo inside firefox :-o < 1401507537 932143 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1401507562 180605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 indeed < 1401507585 707801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could use WebGL for compositing, and native for rendering < 1401507598 595566 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only thing I've implemented on nacl was some sound support stuff < 1401507605 233006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually wondering about implementations of CSS / web layout in JS the other day < 1401507609 943432 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401507613 331956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of some discussion of whether JIT would help you < 1401507617 931637 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally that's an area where html5 is broken but the nacl stuff isn't < 1401507626 560252 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sound) < 1401507627 79242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blink already has a JIT for CSS selector matching, but I mean for layout < 1401507642 816950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :compile the flow tree to native code so you can redo layout extra fast when parts of it change < 1401507648 662710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if it makes any sense, but it sounds pretty cool! < 1401507684 32473 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: haha, JIT all the webs! < 1401507705 466795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1401507718 760930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pcwalton also wants to store our CSS selectors as *only* machine code and decompile them to implement CSSOM < 1401507721 728294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I mentioned that here < 1401507791 32599 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, sound is the kind of stuff that only really work well in compiled languages tbh < 1401507817 683527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but JS running in a modern JS engine is compiled < 1401507833 879693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have unboxed arrays even < 1401507840 99227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree it's not realtime, though < 1401507843 327415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but neither are a lot of "compiled languages" < 1401507848 8590 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more of a problem of < 1401507859 15463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really every implementation out there is somewhere on a spectrum between interpreted and compiled < 1401507867 940293 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the garbage collector runs, is that going to take more than 10ms? < 1401507873 715566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1401507880 743195 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me, firefox has https://twitter.com/alex_gibson/status/467280491260166146/photo/1 now apparently < 1401507884 322436 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sound is like 100% always threaded < 1401507885 639311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is also a problem in Haskell and OCaml, which are typically native compiled < 1401507897 510947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahead-of-time even < 1401507906 147075 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :way-ahead-of-time compilation < 1401507919 909605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird that there aren't more mainstream high level languages which are generally AOT native-compiled < 1401507949 513506 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah I was talking with pcwalton about that, I think decompiling sounds silly though < 1401507958 652609 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/68190/coots97.pdf > 1401507969 252739 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401507970 200323 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1401507970 256116 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu JOIN :#esoteric > 1401507973 353327 JOIN :#esoteric > 1401507973 862845 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401507974 534443 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1401507988 868254 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even java is kinda dubious for sound applications < 1401508116 358744 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual equation is "no garbage collector" => "only languages with explicit deallocation" => "C++ only" < 1401508136 781148 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear types? < 1401508157 118993 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean? < 1401508178 102159 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a type system that tracks resources. each resource must be consumed only once, etc.. < 1401508179 914680 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some nerd shit < 1401508191 786403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's Rust's approach yeah < 1401508193 670233 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substructural_type_system < 1401508220 634822 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust is affine or linear < 1401508220 752716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :deallocation is sort of explicit in that it's deterministic, but it's done in a statically memory safe way < 1401508230 769297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like C++11 move semantics except actually fully checked at compile time < 1401508258 443930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have let x = ...; f(x) and x is not something implicitly copyable like a primitive numeric type, it will forbid you from using x after that function call < 1401508265 980034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've transferred ownership of it < 1401508294 863732 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never tried that kinda stuff < 1401508307 592222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for sending things between threads < 1401508336 811539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have datastructures shared between threads, but you have to write them in the unsafe dialect of the language, and then assert that they're safe to share < 1401508373 145659 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1401508385 232475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: the other major unique thing in Rust is references / "borrowed pointers" with lifetime checking < 1401508402 161929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can write f(&x) and not transfer ownership into f, but if f tries to stash that pointer away somewhere the compiler will complain < 1401508427 874354 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1401508436 467381 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you can peek at my x, but ITS MINE!@#" < 1401508445 465736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1401508459 356366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have any number of immutable borrowings of a value, or exactly one mutable borring < 1401508462 315732 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's statically checked too < 1401508467 163490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prevents iterator invalidation and related issues < 1401508474 165244 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that kindof stuff lets the compiler do real anti aliasing, then eventually it might become faster than C++ and then rust will see much more adoption < 1401508489 226264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1401508496 86516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the hope < 1401508509 100061 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kindof dependent on cpu architectures tho < 1401508524 644402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think approximately as fast as C++, with no segfaults or use-after-free vulnerabilities is also a pretty compelling value proposition < 1401508572 811313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it's not as fast, you can do whatever you'd do in C or C++ within the unsafe dialect < 1401508576 189968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or link to actual C < 1401508590 492180 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah zero overhead to call C is pretty compelling < 1401508628 33354 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more ffi support for c++ would be nice though < 1401508630 151415 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell i'm not cut out for mathematics because i'm still staring at something oerjan said five hours ago < 1401508630 622146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1401508634 397238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is a pit of snakes though < 1401508653 787124 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean first class C++ support would include things like using C++ RAII smart pointers from Rust < 1401508656 851517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's Hard < 1401508658 194535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would be really cool < 1401508661 479720 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C FFI is pretty reasonable. I mean, C ain't the nicest around, but it's at least fairly limited. < 1401508662 482289 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got the original sin (everything is pointers) < 1401508676 564583 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is A Lot Of Stuff. < 1401508677 88620 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teh c++ people are talking about standardizing on an aBI < 1401508678 458944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: hm? C++ is one of the few languages where objects *aren't* all pointers < 1401508679 981378 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is at least a start < 1401508683 140514 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: lol < 1401508701 534520 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: true but arrays sortof are < 1401508706 274222 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except std::vector < 1401508707 682600 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:54] < Bike> you can tell i'm not cut out for mathematics because i'm still staring at something oerjan said five hours ago < 1401508710 519148 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for strings < 1401508713 713714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1401508716 638311 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's horrendous < 1401508719 993693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1401508720 96458 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt the ability to stare at somethign for 5hrs pretty much the main requirement? < 1401508731 551841 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a necessary but not sufficient condition < 1401508734 383928 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.f. video games < 1401508743 596055 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Rust there are slices, which are a pointer + length into a string or array owned by someone else < 1401508753 60262 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default object for more than one of anything is just an offset with no real size < 1401508753 632141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also fixed-size arrays, which are passed by value (unless you take a reference type of them, of course) < 1401508765 250265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and heap-allocated growable Vec < 1401508765 821659 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do fortran-style submatrices < 1401508766 160757 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you can tell i'm not cut out for mathematics because i stared at something oerjan said 5hrs ago and gave up after 30seconds" is prob a more realistic statement < 1401508782 247929 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... so Elixir has consistent distinction between 'size' and 'length'... but it would still take time getting used to Elixir to keep it in mind < 1401508793 594823 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(size for O(1) length for needing computation) < 1401508812 578979 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/needing computation/slower than O(1)/ < 1401508827 737985 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(2) < 1401508829 947850 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the function should be named size if the operation is in constant time (i.e. the value is pre-calculated) or length if the operation requires explicit counting." < 1401508836 752481 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(2)=O(1) < 1401508837 5316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: multidimensionally? i haven't seen that, but it should be implementable < 1401508843 962913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that i.e. is silly < 1401508852 812516 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(0) < 1401508855 619777 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that that is is silly < 1401508856 462470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to use Csound for sound related stuff in computer < 1401508859 387538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(ꙮ) < 1401508874 315593 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: O(question mark in a box) :-( < 1401508879 454856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1401508880 390996 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah you store stride and stuff < 1401508885 512628 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꙮ < 1401508886 1572 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O] < 1401508893 473148 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the heck is a multiocular < 1401508897 263332 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :multi-eye < 1401508904 154228 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you can even do ones with less locality, like make a vector out of a diagonal or some shit < 1401508905 826196 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutlioculus rift < 1401508923 126177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you use Csound for audio programming? < 1401508935 871269 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted, but you'r eon fire < 1401508949 114412 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiocular_O < 1401508956 835663 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah weird < 1401508964 342809 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, getting a bit harder to remember: and/or/not take booleans only, &&/||/! use truthiness < 1401508969 801624 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 15th century scribal doodle that made it into the Universal Character Set < 1401508994 853509 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consistent but hard to remember patterns < 1401508998 352517 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still better than PHP < 1401509008 46944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION declares that he has just eaten pizza, then stares at Sgeo while intoning "best before march 24" < 1401509021 23829 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : not really < 1401509037 182523 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh? < 1401509047 469406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Why not really? < 1401509056 772294 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone tell me why volterra series were explained to me as "taylor series, but with time dependence" instead of "taylor series, but on functionals" < 1401509066 10886 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I say something weird on March 24th? < 1401509068 986609 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut the fuck up about 'memory' assholes < 1401509171 622598 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : I'm not well versed in how csound integrates with other stuff so I'm not sure how to answer < 1401509178 375692 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it sounds like a bad plan < 1401509179 460538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1401509233 622580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I find Csound is good for synthesizing audio and writing music, at least. It does work with Open Sound Control, MIDI, Wii remotes, and extension libraries can be written in C. < 1401509239 557957 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like "is it still well behaved once you have to compile it into a dll for use in a multithread environment along with a gui" < 1401509257 471853 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in a way that's not going to take more code/effort than just doing everything in C++ as usual" < 1401509276 167337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: There are GUI programs for Csound, although I have not used them so I don't know. Some of these GUI programs are even written in Java < 1401509300 795149 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :puredata!! < 1401509342 130479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not particularly like the standard score format in Csound for the purpose of writing music, so I wrote a MML compiler targeting Csound, to make it easier to write music. < 1401509350 606105 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :osc I haven't been impressed with yet < 1401509362 946471 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got a nice type specification etc system < 1401509385 636597 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody has put on his pants and specified a real standard for note and controller data < 1401509395 778139 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is like 75% of the feature set of MIDI < 1401509404 39726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can tell i'm not cut out for mathematics because i'm still staring at something oerjan said five hours ago <-- hm? < 1401509459 474740 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you can listen for CC1 because you know the user's m-audio midi controller has a mod wheel and that unless the user has reprogrammed it for whatever reason, it sends CC1" < 1401509472 569804 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-12-140.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401509598 941898 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my criticism of those systems is that they're typically not correctly set up for writing music < 1401509642 89849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used those kind of MIDI devices for writing music, so I don't know < 1401509674 926318 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing music requires a good piano roll editor < 1401509684 368217 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAWs are basically the only programs that have that < 1401509691 236476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I don't prefer to write music "live" anyways (although I know people who do) < 1401509699 895935 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAWs can load up VST plugin synthesizer plugins < 1401509710 73460 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :result: everybody uses DAW with VST plugins < 1401509714 725502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why you need a piano roll editor though. It can be one way, or you can use MML; I prefer to use MML. < 1401509723 652740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like VST; I prefer to use Csound. < 1401509727 305853 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never gotten into MML < 1401509740 313877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I use MML for the score and Csound for the instruments. < 1401509762 798951 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I have found this works better for me than using piano roll editors/VST < 1401509776 651977 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people that write lots of music use piano roll like >99% of the time < 1401509811 123199 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a 64track tape? < 1401509834 117744 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham : that involves live musicians < 1401509838 7680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Did I say something weird on March 24th? <-- no. *sigh* i'm being too subtle again... you're just worrying about the health of food all the time so i was joking about the fact i ate a pizza that was > 2 months overdue hth < 1401509840 894863 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess making them parts < 1401509845 669412 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you can use piano roll if you prefer; different people use different ways. Some people like to write on music notation paper. < 1401509853 620622 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I guess is notation, rather than piano roll < 1401509860 636322 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just poke actual holes in an actual piano roll < 1401509905 919285 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, making nice music notation is hard < 1401509913 251284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know someone who only writes music live, never writing it down. < 1401509961 316202 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll never catch on. < 1401509975 440534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :He then connects the audio output port of a digital piano to a computer to record it onto a CD. < 1401509983 519866 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :next thing you'll have people having impromptu discussions without rehersing < 1401510006 362108 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anarchy < 1401510012 692730 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : afaik that's how you're supposed to use piano rolls anyways < 1401510023 333106 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :record live, use piano roll to fix mistakes < 1401510048 731413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I myself don't like writing music live, DAW, piano roll, VST, tracker music, and that stuff. < 1401510087 534778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Actually I think piano roll notation is the kind of thing he wanted to use for this purpose, although he didn't. It would be possible, since this digital piano does have a MIDI output port too. < 1401510089 64244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :record drunk, piano roll sober < 1401510089 841262 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would richard james do? < 1401510093 90143 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the lambda calculus thing. < 1401510114 613568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: cocaine's a hell of a drug < 1401510117 18695 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, I'm Ben < 1401510137 592059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ben < 1401510147 416976 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: not rick james < 1401510152 102778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: close enough? < 1401510167 458054 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_James_(musician) < 1401510189 620549 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i meant this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphex_Twin < 1401510189 827327 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now listening to Die Fantastischen Vier -- Krieger (Aphex Twin Baldhu Mix) < 1401510279 933479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: DMT's a hell of a drug < 1401510286 298115 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like VST; it requires a GUI, isn't an open standard, and seems for writing live music (which isn't what I do). Perhaps VST is OK for live music writers who don't care if it is usable in anything other than Windows, I suppose. < 1401510293 838334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ok let me detail it a bit: you write an interpreter for TM's in lambda calculus which works fairly normally, except that (1) it keeps a count of steps such that it never repeats as long as the TM is running (2) if the TM _halts_, instead of halting itself it just restarts from the beginning, resetting the count. then whether that LC interpreter loops <=> whether the TM halts. < 1401510293 955651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMT's a hell of a drukq? < 1401510304 67449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*TMs < 1401510312 40785 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1401510313 752230 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you. < 1401510338 466977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do effects and instrument sound and so on writing music, I found Csound works much better than anything else I have used. < 1401510348 346781 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, i'm listening to drukqs right now < 1401510351 295814 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's a bit disappointing, but not unexpected < 1401510358 573941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you do like to use Csound and VST, you can do it, in both directions! < 1401510380 890773 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my next trick, i shall disprove hilbert's 16th < 1401510392 321046 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, say something about it here and wait for oerjan to prove it for me < 1401510402 360862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Hilbert's sixteenth? < 1401510436 389005 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert%27s_sixteenth_problem < 1401510848 434409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you need to work more on your tricks < 1401511099 724210 :Zerker!~zerker@c-98-210-153-50.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401511179 948913 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-128-233.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401511585 584456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to use SQL for editing music which is already compiled (into a .MOD, .S3M, .MID, etc)? < 1401511698 375334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For working with audio files, SoX works OK (although I think something combining ImageMagick with SoX, allowing the same effects using with sounds and pictures, would be much better), although for working with editing and conversion of music compiled into MOD/S3M/IT/XM/MID files, that a SQL-based system would work best. < 1401511748 184292 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401511770 696377 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401511783 384662 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401511805 145386 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does sox do that you wouldn't normally do in audacity/soundforge/etc? < 1401511890 46452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Command-line functioning < 1401511919 418458 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sox is quite nice for scripting. < 1401511956 356639 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, it was pretty nice when converting my inexplicable 88.2 kHz 24-bit copy of Distant Worlds 2 here. < 1401511960 938914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used Audacity and those things, but I find SoX much better to work with, at least. < 1401511962 793600 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(WHY WOULD YOU DISTRIBUTE THAT) < 1401511982 536468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it isn't for scripting. < 1401512001 265891 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq : that takes about 10 seconds to do in audacity < 1401512017 350403 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it took about that long in sox. < 1401512024 473694 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :valuable seconds i could have spent jamming! < 1401512032 397251 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sox is the imagemagick of audio. < 1401512038 899042 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is both its strength and its weakness. < 1401512124 394970 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also find ImageMagick good for pictures, though. However, sometimes I find I want to use some of ImageMagick effects on audio too, and SoX doesn't do that, so I will use SoX to convert to raw, ImageMagick then loads and saves it as a single-row pictures and then use SoX to convert back to other format. It wouldn't be quite best way, but it can work. < 1401512163 994285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Program with both kind of feature, I think is going to work better. < 1401512271 861188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a program for using ImageMagick and METAFONT together, so that it can be used to make up new drawings in a reasonable way, too. < 1401512298 744034 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any programming languages based on mirc script < 1401512335 519494 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: I don't know of any other than mirc script itself (and I don't know how mirc script works either) < 1401512379 181467 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would make a good base for an esolang < 1401512390 193003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can try to make such a thing if you like to do so < 1401512402 973239 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me, i'm just a poor farm girl < 1401512434 502697 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not me, I don't use mirc script < 1401512674 625430 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1401512781 64654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I did make esolang based on the classical sequent calculus, where the two negation rules correspond to creating and consuming continuations. < 1401512802 717189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has first class continuations, but doesn't have any first class functions. < 1401513094 241718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone can write esolang based on astronomy and/or astrology, too. < 1401513233 800416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make a esolang where instruction sets are frequency-modulated? < 1401513289 513095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: does myndzi count \o| \o/ |o/ < 1401513289 590687 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                         |   |   | < 1401513289 651257 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                        /´\ /^\ /< < 1401513497 279439 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : considering FM is essentially table lookup, probably < 1401513517 634263 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :provided that you find some way to express the infitely large tape < 1401513736 954069 :Zerker!~zerker@c-98-210-153-50.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1401514068 357933 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401514158 750735 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Dungeons&Dragons I played today, I was paying a shopkeeper to fix a bag, but then a dwarf came in, and said that the shopkeeper was about to accidentally poke his finger, which he did, and then said "duck!" and stole one of the tools on the wall and left. The shopkeeper then died (he was killed by a crossbow bolt), so I used his tools to fix the bag myself and took back the coins I gave to him. < 1401514392 229448 :Zyprexa!~qwe@179.186.158.62.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br QUIT : < 1401514786 969268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may need to fabricate a duplicate of this situation (but fake, using illusions and invisible walls) in another town. < 1401514816 663305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :invisible walls! < 1401514819 197890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the duplicate for? < 1401514842 406954 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has never played D&D but should < 1401514846 669403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to trap the crossbowmen, which are probably all over the place. < 1401514876 410913 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you fix the bag while being shot at < 1401514922 982162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No, I was hiding underneath the counter. The counter was on the separation between the inside and outside of the shop; normally the customer stand on the outside and the shopkeeper stands inside. < 1401515030 279810 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The walls are so that neither the shopkeeper doesn't get killed; the illusions will duck and so on just the same. < 1401515067 712911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: I tried to play D&D exactly once and then there was a tornado (in real life, not in the game) < 1401515089 123277 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's a sign. < 1401515091 918755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tool that the dwarf stole was not needed to fix this bag, so that was not a problem. < 1401515162 499278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1401515184 90794 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many crossbowmen do you think there are < 1401515192 766690 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a sign with "DO NOT READ THIS SIGN" written on it, almost. < 1401515270 985035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't know, but probably there are many all over the place, they were near the docks, on both ends of the river, and in between, and even on the way to this river from a larger boat, and in this North River Village, so probably there would be some in South River Village too. < 1401515272 507568 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to take a look at the biomedical program i'll be working on. HOW EXCITING all the globals will be < 1401515383 415630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :go into anthropology instead, then you can meet exciting locals < 1401515395 680648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot singles in your area? < 1401515415 352883 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot singles in an area < 1401515442 530495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i prefer to date people who are already in relationships < 1401515462 630971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i played d&d in third grade in hebrew < 1401515463 718483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times < 1401515474 268777 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Representation of the vowel /eh/ in normal and impaired auditory nerve fibers: Model predictions of responses in cats" i feel like fizzie < 1401515514 151951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you play this in person with people or over the internet < 1401515519 703325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the descriptions are v. detailed < 1401515522 810181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: In person. < 1401515571 304363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do not use a game board or anything like that; just paper, pencil, books, dice, and thinking. < 1401515612 732165 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a standard license that's "open source, but if you use this and publish something about it, cite so and so"? < 1401515630 701013 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«#include /* Added for MS Visual C++ compatability, by Ian Bruce, 1999 */» get hype < 1401515665 804192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think there may be something like that, but I don't know. < 1401515681 746117 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowwwww i didn't even know you could declare functions within a function < 1401515684 637950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I thought you meant citing it in a bibliography or something like that. < 1401515685 237716 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm learning so much!! < 1401515692 646444 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i meant. < 1401515711 74762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1401515721 786780 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there is something like that. < 1401515730 596044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you want to know of it? < 1401515761 340792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know the proper way to cite non-literate computer programs in a bibliography, though. < 1401515799 379418 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: because this code says "if you use this, please cite x paper" in a comment. < 1401515803 546963 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they want the paper cited, not the code. < 1401515824 165207 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* COMPLEX.HPP header file * use for complex arithmetic in C < 1401515830 78796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so the code is separate from the paper. < 1401515856 858212 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. code in a paper doesn't happen much outside CS. < 1401515882 943045 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case you could easily cite the paper, but where and how? < 1401515909 951880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a literate program you can cite it in the bibliography, but in other case I don't know how? < 1401515952 501329 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are yourself writing a paper. < 1401515972 564083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you are yourself writing a paper, it works. < 1401515981 762882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what do they mean by "if you use this" in this case? < 1401515997 756501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using it doesn't seems to necessarily imply that you are writing a paper? < 1401516051 204527 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, w hat it actually says is "Please cite these papers if you publish any research results obtained with this code or any modified versions of this code." < 1401516084 550650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that's what it says. That works then. < 1401516101 70149 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is that even a license? < 1401516155 603430 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. It's an informal request. Which is why I was curious as to whether there was a formal license. In service of this curiosity, I asked several minutes ago whether there was such a license, and then this conversation happened, culminating for the moment in this message you are reading. < 1401516235 263812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know of such a thing, although such an informal request will work. If it is included in a comment in the source file, probably people who do modify it, will keep it there (especially since it says "or any modified versions of this code"). < 1401516446 504999 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct __COMPLEX { double x,y; }; typedef struct __COMPLEX COMPLEX; < 1401516448 561886 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :legal y/n < 1401516487 59570 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n probably but i'm bitter < 1401516520 147187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no because __COMPLEX isn't a name you're allowed to use < 1401516527 594613 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1401516554 157773 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should just start cold emailing people to tell them they're out of conformity and should feel bad < 1401516564 133069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: unless you are the implementation < 1401516611 91504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: probably the most silly common identifier-related nonconformance is naming a type *_t under posix < 1401516628 188300 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i'm just confused by this one though < 1401516649 463478 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just defining a simple complex type (which is redundant in C99 but whatever), and the name __COMPLEX isn't actually used outside of the typedef < 1401516653 505554 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't C99 have efb < 1401516670 663015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh this is someone else's code < 1401516684 113063 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think so little of me < 1401516685 210951 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qxhjsgcikcqgejvw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1401516689 893677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: presumably it's to stop people saying struct __COMPLEX because it's an implementation detail or whatever < 1401516702 272081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can try to write typedef struct { double x,y; } COMPLEX; does it work OK? < 1401516721 244566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people always do the typedef separately. one reason to do that is uniformity: if you have a cycle in struct inclusions, then you cannot just use "typedef struct { ... } name;". < 1401516730 186898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sometimes you must name structs. < 1401516730 301403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It might not work if you need forward references, though) < 1401516739 270860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, forward refs in general. < 1401516765 310391 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll just replace the code with _Complex and see how it goes < 1401516832 664694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: #include and you can say "double complex" etc. < 1401516856 724958 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, _Complex is the C99 type isn't it < 1401516865 778375 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, i see. < 1401516867 50941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: C99 can't define complex outright because it'd clash with existing stuff < 1401516867 287496 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok whatever. < 1401516871 807189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they define _Complex and #define it in the header < 1401516879 203824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same situation with stdbool < 1401516904 550417 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this entire program is written in C, but you're supposed to use it as a matlab program. i don't get this field < 1401517092 985875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef struct { double re; double im; } zomplex; hth < 1401517119 257310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's from the SGI FFT library on IRIX.) < 1401517212 360056 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should rewrite this in rust. i bet i could squeeze it into a one line macro invocation < 1401517222 962931 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho'ws rust's matlab ffi capabilities, < 1401517335 538831 :password2!~password@197.78.169.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401517392 688095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140531-cat_wagon.jpg <- from Kyoto < 1401517467 78237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140531-boss.jpg < 1401517476 214552 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1401517478 929003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you believe me < 1401517517 505423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were just being silly at first, but then I saw it. < 1401517573 386962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you see the fnords < 1401517650 378426 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-12-140.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401517672 462231 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1401517676 934479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you? < 1401517677 179597 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but it seems to be latin1 last i checked < 1401517691 136127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb fungot < 1401517691 403033 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and i modified code affecting the initial image, right?) < 1401517729 254872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That probably explains the absence. < 1401517822 455491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would < 1401517827 792215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does befunge support self-modifying code? < 1401517865 729990 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :matlab has static (in the internal-to-function sense) variables, huh < 1401517888 578336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, though the fungot code doesn't use very much of that. The ^reload command possibly counts. < 1401517888 810051 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: which is? tuples?!" readings. it's much easier < 1401518029 662722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, my half-finished (at most) static AOT Funge-98 compiler was enough to run fungot, sans support for ^reload, IIRC. < 1401518029 818282 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and is an indy much faster than we do today ( eg. i eat steak. < 1401518045 64917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You can't eat steak, you're a program. < 1401518045 186831 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no it didn't. not even by riastradh! < 1401518315 305129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo you should see _Rosencrantz and Guildestern Are Dead_ < 1401518495 455545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1401518530 734135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a play that was also conveniently turned made into a movie < 1401518556 341895 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :^reload < 1401518585 735317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: It's an owner-only command, sorry. :/ < 1401518596 813421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd do it but it'd probably break, it's not used much. < 1401518598 608207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^reload < 1401518598 705287 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reloaded. < 1401518606 98159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Still there? < 1401518606 308903 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'd call them smug." jesse fnord' < 1401518610 502602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. < 1401518616 286896 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1401518625 94243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much to see, really. < 1401518652 226933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right side of lines 1-2 of https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1401518718 928591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's up top so that if the layout of the rest of the code changes, it hopefully won't move around.) < 1401518809 416938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and also because it needs to blank the old code before loading the new one ('i' does not overwrite cells where the input file has spaces, IIRC) so it must be more or less out of the way. < 1401520647 773811 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: shutdown < 1401520709 861829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 53 < 1401520710 298462 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 53: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1401520715 718789 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PART :#esoteric < 1401521107 330851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day I made a diagram, consisting of four concentric circles. The innermost circle is labeled "Universe". Around that one is a circle labeled "Multiverse". Around that is a circle labeled "Mathematics". Around that is the outermost, labeled "GOD". < 1401521133 483709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the label in the space outside the outermost circle < 1401521178 286579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The space outside of the outermost circle isn't part of the diagram, but if it were it would also have to be "GOD". Such a diagram is impossible draw, however. < 1401521414 398964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gap Outside Diagram < 1401521439 996343 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It seems possible as written here, but that is because it is too difficult (perhaps impossible) to expression the proper way, so this is the best approximation I can have.) < 1401521733 85202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is good that you try to ask such question, but, such question wouldn't be sensible any more than trying to figure out the position of omega in the English alphabet, or the page number of the shelf that stores the books. < 1401524096 335615 :greg79!~greg@214.101.222.213.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401524131 137002 :greg79!~greg@214.101.222.213.rev.sfr.net PART :#esoteric < 1401525705 460947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401526690 533500 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401527495 995944 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making corruption art is fun :) < 1401527509 329823 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/zOSp2gp.jpg (made by blanking random bytes) < 1401527530 677591 :password2!~password@197.78.169.3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401527543 229024 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401527664 240267 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://www.reddit.com/r/glitch_art/top/ is people into that kind of stuff, if you want some upboats for your pictures :p < 1401527744 399592 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin, I'd rather get it really good first < 1401527749 853162 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, you know, not Nigel Farage < 1401527878 860315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what better image to use for corruption art < 1401527948 596232 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't think Nigel Farage is actually corrupt. Just, you know, hideously wrong on most political issues. < 1401528125 545489 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, other than bit-flipping and byte-blanking, what other effects are easy to produce> < 1401528157 373560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert some string? < 1401528167 104614 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401528228 330444 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :JPEG compression does fun things too < 1401528461 903915 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, can you elaborate on that? < 1401528520 302568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically set some arbitrary bytes to constants? < 1401528583 395801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprinkle nigel with "666"s, that sort of thing. < 1401529214 606653 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/FreeFull/6059a9be7500a2d6f6c5/c194838b6ad50f65aa02831e2f745bf56046383b Suggestions on improving this quine? < 1401529227 335887 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than removing whitespace, which is trivial < 1401529272 89322 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust? < 1401529287 221776 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's obviously Rust < 1401529305 724719 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any other language with print!() < 1401529324 575036 :Gracenotes_!~person@192.241.203.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401529352 929768 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type let (!) = ($) in print!() < 1401529354 414052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO () < 1401529368 778378 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cheating =P < 1401529381 735139 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1401529405 686596 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And doesn't have the same behaviour =P < 1401529429 926281 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (!) = ($) in print!("{}","Meow") < 1401529431 879246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1401529442 597731 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, damn, forgot lambdabot doesn't do IO =P < 1401529455 888708 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401529456 204677 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401529468 729866 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1401529469 342969 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the behaviour is horribly different < 1401529496 588431 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell main = let (!) = ($) in print!("{}","Meow") < 1401529507 850015 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1401529508 69726 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1401529508 484668 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​("{}","Meow") < 1401529524 602456 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's horribly different < 1401529589 186134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1401530196 296364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjoh, you just went < 1401530207 266851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind, then. < 1401530331 616242 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any ideas for making glitches? < 1401530366 274307 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer ones that could conceivably occur on actual crappy lines. < 1401530986 736471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to make errors not detectable by typical ECCs, perhaps? Nobody'll notice, but you'll know. < 1401531087 372546 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well, you could get a crappy line! :p < 1401531151 981188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remove most significant bit, that happens every now and then. < 1401531161 986100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or set it according to the parity of the other seven bits. < 1401531168 238918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not so often these days. < 1401531187 10496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Remove" == clear, in this case.) < 1401531216 165616 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/VUtCm10.jpg < 1401531222 510006 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had this legit glitch out on me :p < 1401531587 513643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401532284 266644 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, my coffee is done < 1401533573 565406 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401534007 579188 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401534280 375997 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39730&oldid=39726 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+133) 10/* Interpreter List */ < 1401534515 460325 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401534701 365163 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401535051 240174 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401535138 379859 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401536243 191818 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401536776 635112 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401537515 577766 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401537858 582441 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401538078 561358 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401538228 864544 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Client Quit < 1401538259 254887 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401539012 714565 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1401539305 936282 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401539355 589362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401539367 522581 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401539390 146608 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1401539425 959864 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1401539507 532478 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1401540948 271933 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401541445 524203 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401541650 60404 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401541716 402552 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401541774 333761 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the first tournament results are in https://twitter.com/xcorewar/status/472725852976062464 < 1401541900 25183 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401542035 849675 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaah... sweeeeet druuuugs... < 1401542061 440847 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1401542061 563644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 11h 36m 5s ago: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cruchon hth < 1401542137 463590 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not quite right. a cruchon here is something that can be as small as a Mason jar, or as big as those fatso pickle jars. < 1401542167 848774 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hm. I guess I just answered my own question here. qc:cruchon → en:"glass jar".) < 1401542194 86874 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan here cruchon is a glass jar. < 1401542194 505656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1401542253 109764 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic_, are you entering? < 1401542339 630832 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401542545 327756 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401542843 165422 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401542934 196800 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401543976 766995 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401544118 442980 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401544652 467048 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401544841 662515 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401544922 523156 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401545295 597177 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401546319 814086 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-12-140.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401546475 226685 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401548539 816320 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401548697 551655 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401549542 549252 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401549673 560575 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401549713 571204 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401550652 544343 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401550705 443514 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401550813 274210 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1401550976 390624 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401551279 478372 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401551584 250871 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:f9f2:31d2:87b3:223d JOIN :#esoteric < 1401551620 590300 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401551915 550342 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com PART :#esoteric < 1401553315 224685 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:f9f2:31d2:87b3:223d QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401553719 429773 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401553731 518574 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-6.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1401553764 378715 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-6.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1401553764 699074 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1401553831 412982 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host-231-197-68-109.arq1.ldn.uk.sharedband.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401556155 602869 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401556282 549437 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39731&oldid=39704 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+118) 10/* Interpreters */ < 1401556367 254138 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:655b:8e3c:1ed7:d426 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401556864 419097 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401556958 978270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1401557237 419464 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401557255 778301 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39732&oldid=39731 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+97) 10Add source < 1401557891 183761 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm writing an esoteric data structure help < 1401557900 585351 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sort of a heap and a binary search tree simultaneously < 1401557923 632814 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a... binary heap, or... < 1401557938 635917 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's heap sorted on one key and tree sorted on another key < 1401558008 613396 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds sort of useful < 1401558008 904692 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a keyed treap? < 1401558029 160541 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? < 1401558061 430973 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, when the two keys correlate it degenerates into a linked list! :) < 1401558068 278649 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to worm something named "KeyedTreap" in our codebase at work and have it pass code review :P < 1401558120 639165 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: xor linked list, please < 1401558504 68498 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, so my high-level language rewrite of thousands of lines of assembly code was easy to write but came out buggy ... unfortunately debugging it doesn't seem any easier < 1401558543 150872 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewrite it < 1401558619 253564 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:655b:8e3c:1ed7:d426 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401558639 859050 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, once you get to debugging something you have already lost, the only recourse is to write it correctly < 1401558910 572220 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/104902 < 1401559006 244449 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I am off < 1401559037 580177 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not tested this at all, btw < 1401559303 185149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401560216 166621 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2014/05/fantastic-fungi-steve-axford/ < 1401560225 910706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewige einhornkraft < 1401560252 328508 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right purty it is < 1401561089 254509 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401561597 607358 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401561717 595677 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401562177 164944 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401562485 960573 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t \f, a => (x ** (f x, x -> a)) < 1401562486 474681 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:14:When elaborating argument 13x to constructor 04Ex_intro: < 1401562486 773683 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable x < 1401562504 388226 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t \f, a => (x : _ ** (f x, x -> a)) < 1401562504 612755 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:23:When elaborating argument 13x to constructor 04Ex_intro: < 1401562504 660167 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable x < 1401562548 824445 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::I < 1401562567 438580 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t \f, a => the Type (x ** (f x, x -> a)) < 1401562567 556670 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\13f => \13a => 09the 12Type 12(13x 12** 12(13f 13x12, 13x -> 13a12)12) : (12Type -> 12Type) -> 12Type -> 12Type < 1401562570 860482 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host-231-197-68-109.arq1.ldn.uk.sharedband.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Photo from the CW tournament http://codu.org/logs/log/_corewars/2014-05-31 < 1401562595 728882 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :< boily> the flowers are very small, about ¼” Ø. – Also that should be ¼″ < 1401562596 765560 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host-231-197-68-109.arq1.ldn.uk.sharedband.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait... Photo from the CW tournament https://twitter.com/john_metcalf/status/472810336501133314 :-) < 1401562620 46820 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :< mcpherrin> kmc: O(question mark in a box) :-( – ⍰ < 1401562627 58153 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic__, who was green and who was red? < 1401563143 328194 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host-231-197-68-109.arq1.ldn.uk.sharedband.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: evolved program green, hand coded program red. The hand coded program won! :-) +1 for humanity. < 1401563391 700542 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1 for evolved writer over writing evolver < 1401563410 19824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a small quadcopter now! < 1401563428 675155 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for burrito delivery, i hope < 1401563449 770644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be expected that evolving would be very slow (but not completely impossible) compared to doing it directly. < 1401563796 805902 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host-231-197-68-109.arq1.ldn.uk.sharedband.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for small coresizes (like 80, 800) it's possible to evolve something competitive overnight. < 1401563848 712395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes if it is small I would think it can work faster < 1401563857 171742 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same thing with most algorithms really < 1401564524 287701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: too small < 1401564557 663752 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too small for burritos? what is this < 1401564681 847256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401564683 458708 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401564693 844616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to not fly it up my skirt :X < 1401564719 986975 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see how that would be tempting < 1401564814 707276 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ykinmk < 1401564871 675801 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know i nonchalantly mince krababbles < 1401564952 866103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1401564959 256759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't < 1401564992 197389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend brought his much larger quadcopter over < 1401565003 974615 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he says you're supposed to charge the battery within a special fireproof sack < 1401565006 298512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he lost the sack < 1401565006 923647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1401565032 542970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now they're off to the north bay to fly said quadcopter and take photos for a wedding invite < 1401565059 294228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much larger compared to what? < 1401565168 840096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess larger than said friend. < 1401565277 546435 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1401565285 466822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :larger compared to my little one that can't even carry a burrito < 1401565302 436224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bigger quadcopter has already injured an intern < 1401565304 951502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tasted human blood < 1401565345 768888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our days as the dominant species are probably soon over. < 1401565403 177379 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :once they learn how to reproduce yeah < 1401565438 851041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have here the most boring video of a deer imaginable. < 1401565454 34035 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :difficult to believe < 1401565460 470344 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401565473 319528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nara_Park and it's just doing boring things. < 1401565491 671157 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm telling you, i have high standards < 1401565518 568981 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine as boring as imaginable is a lot less boring than possible < 1401565550 457227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw a tourist chasing a deer who had stolen her map in nara < 1401565555 109905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty fucking funny < 1401565565 296256 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you going anywhere else besides kyoto and nara? < 1401565568 144979 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably not the video fizzie's watching < 1401565584 390157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're actually home already, but we only did a day trip to Tokyo. < 1401565594 422355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In addition to those two places.) < 1401565599 928203 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1401565602 126698 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome home < 1401565603 83230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was a very efficient vacation.) < 1401565605 394740 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, re quadcopters, did you know that claude shannon once said "I visualize a time when we will be to robots what dogs are to humans. And I am rooting for the machines." < 1401565610 735412 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1401565613 368447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he actually say that < 1401565664 305974 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to wikiquote, at least < 1401565775 440077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140531-nara.jpg no mention about map-stealing < 1401565821 408986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deer used Knock down! It's super effective!! < 1401565825 379411 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ysqhgovxnlsnbhhu JOIN :#esoteric < 1401565832 433 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1401565836 626176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also note that the "attack people, so please be careful" part is a sticker. One wonders what was under it. < 1401566117 123657 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: why? I like «”». < 1401566196 991048 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ″ < 1401566207 942337 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. < 1401566415 861611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Board of Equalization is such an Orwellian name for a state government body < 1401566438 58508 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which government is it from? < 1401566456 471545 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401566506 347507 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/BAYESIAN-BODYBUILDING-v5.png < 1401566511 904115 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ″ < 1401566513 150071 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2033 DOUBLE PRIME] < 1401566779 80725 :hambubger!~moth-trog@cpe-98-144-32-128.wi.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401567768 460565 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1401568031 684062 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a multiplayer pinball game without enough delay before next player, then it is possible any spinner which is spinning, will continue spinning on the next player's turn. < 1401568390 711270 :hambubger!~moth-trog@cpe-98-144-32-128.wi.res.rr.com PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1401568519 643341 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic__: well... at least i'm not last < 1401568531 789735 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1401568768 686332 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host-231-197-68-109.arq1.ldn.uk.sharedband.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: no it's not too bad :-) The next tournament will be in October so hopefully you'll be a bit higher... < 1401568971 667819 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure one of my beginner's hill wariour would have scored better :) < 1401568979 879890 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :NotAScanner doesn't even get on the beginner's hill < 1401569981 186109 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401570072 542990 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-12-140.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401570816 817220 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401571056 531081 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1401571682 190352 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401573045 55283 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: unless you make the pinball game have the spinners magically stop spinning < 1401573050 285933 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not even sure what a spinner is) < 1401573476 720545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Microsoft seems to call them "flags" instead of "spinners" < 1401573522 418565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you use magnets to somehow stop them spinning? < 1401573578 108348 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Polynomial functions are a class of functions having many important properties. They are all continuous, smooth, entire, computable, etc.[citation needed]" < 1401573596 118474 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1401573624 579759 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i could find one source claiming all of those. another encyclopedia, maybe. < 1401573728 429626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you supposed to check overflow converting float->int in a C program? < 1401573771 359942 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401573801 285998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare the float to (float)INT_MAX and (float)INT_MIN? < 1401573842 281240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1401573850 891558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which header files do I use? < 1401573882 39493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what is best way checking arithmetic errors when doing calculation with floating points? < 1401573917 927325 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Spleenmap14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39734&oldid=34648 5* 0368.203.11.82 5* (-1) 10make "it's" into the correct pronoun < 1401574082 377623 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401574189 519933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I am using my own int max/min anyways < 1401574227 574920 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they really computable? what if your polynomial just: contains non-computable coefficients < 1401574253 922941 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i guess. < 1401574265 744749 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i've ever dealt with a polynomial with transcendent coefficients. < 1401574519 768259 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have polynomials with computable roots but uncomputable coefficients. heh. < 1401574563 804532 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1401574869 47181 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401575299 703889 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as at least one of the roots is uncomputable ... < 1401575315 320462 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. < 1401575330 816434 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ax-a, bam < 1401575336 147569 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1401575341 763971 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just ax < 1401575349 266422 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, if you're a COWARD < 1401575350 54996 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want monic polynomials. Thanks. < 1401575375 425980 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hm. < 1401575378 300850 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1401575399 8660 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x² + ax - a - 1 then. < 1401575426 282620 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i don't know what the other root is < 1401575431 875319 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do monopolynomials. I had a friend who went that way and now, he can't even. < 1401575465 96826 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has roots -a-1 and 1, one of which is not computable. < 1401575484 997223 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, never mind. < 1401575495 307727 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I clearly missed your point :) < 1401575516 480221 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't really have a point, i'm just saying silly things < 1401575531 918106 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of a shame there's no conjugate property like for irrationals and complexes, though < 1401575535 420116 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401575535 468117 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401575538 743398 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you don't have that for transcendents either... < 1401575565 434746 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if there's a greek prefix for something between mono- and poly-... < 1401575569 542870 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a difficulty in the opposite direction, too. the roots of x^2 - a, with computable a, may not be computable *real* numbers (namely, if it's undecidable whether a < 0). < 1401575626 874410 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that difficulty disappears for complex numbers, as far as I can see. If you allow non-monic polynomials though, then ax - 1 = 0 has the same problem. < 1401575663 846632 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: bi tri ... < 1401575678 6284 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least they're still entire. < 1401575680 930710 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are those not greek? I'm weak. < 1401575792 661425 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes, not the brightest questions drift through my mind. < 1401575843 947828 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: bi- is latin, di- is greek. < 1401575845 135767 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :un- bi- tri- quad- is latin, mono- di- tri- tetr- is greek < 1401575861 897939 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: thanks < 1401575934 144840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1401575954 763998 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, there is such a thing as “dodrant-”. < 1401576003 971824 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :base 3/4 aka dodrantary < 1401576087 366632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-food < 1401576087 552032 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 9h 24m 53s ago: here cruchon is a glass jar. < 1401576168 543838 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wikipedia. "A real number is computable if and only if the set of natural numbers it represents (when written in binary and viewed as a characteristic function) is computable." not. < 1401576392 770926 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that not true? "it represents" is a bit rude but it still seems okay to me < 1401576397 210878 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the binary thing is also pointless < 1401576416 673867 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and you need an ordering, i guess... < 1401576439 85146 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the trouble is that sometimes you cannot decide whether the next digits should be 01111....1 or 10000....0. < 1401576721 176348 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia NICK :Quintopia < 1401576806 5640 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example given a Turing machine T, you can define a = 1 + (-1/2)^n if T halts in n steps, and a = 1 otherwise. That's a computable number but you'll have a hard time figuring out whether it's 1.000... or 0.111... < 1401576831 265543 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For some T.) < 1401576933 165132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's nevertheless true, as for those ambiguous real numbers _both_ representations are obviously computable. < 1401576963 803411 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if T halts then there is no ambiguity at all. < 1401577031 676059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the thing is, being computable is a property of the real number, not of the TM used to define it. < 1401577081 831596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't _matter_ whether you cannot compute the digits from knowing only the TM < 1401577114 661420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only numbers where you cannot compute the digits are numbers which are also represented by halting machines. < 1401577133 29427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: um, but 0.111... = 1? < 1401577149 798779 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1401577153 794156 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a boily i spy < 1401577183 251461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the point is that you cannot prove in finite time that it's exactly equal to 1, so you don't know that you're not forced to choose 0 or 1 at some point < 1401577204 513485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1401577234 407880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a sense, int-e is correct if you are thinking in constructive logic, but not if you are assuming excluded middle for the existence of the digit representations < 1401577303 797218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose in constructive logic you end up with not being able to prove that the constructive real number _has_ a digit representation. < 1401577304 873099 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :computability theory sounds like it's very easy to say wrong things about! < 1401577309 617280 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's intriguing < 1401577318 353890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: yeah < 1401577319 590285 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can assure you that it's very easy to say wrong things in general < 1401577327 855050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what nonsense! < 1401577351 963660 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, there you go < 1401577363 222556 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys guys < 1401577370 217471 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how presumptuous < 1401577371 475561 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i has a solution < 1401577380 700071 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's define 2 = 1 < 1401577386 582927 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the mistery is solved! < 1401577394 631072 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb gonna get my nobel < 1401577404 143076 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for math? < 1401577407 606612 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1401577409 58356 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1401577410 541624 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Subtle. Hmm. So the point is that you can give some advice to the program producing the binary representation. < 1401577446 329123 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really want to believe that story about nobel's wife cheating with a mathematician is true < 1401577451 300070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: you mean your abel hth < 1401577472 397368 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the only kind of advice you really need is that "this is a rational number of shape a/2^n, and here is n.") < 1401577474 926552 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :abel is no bel! < 1401577476 669638 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks. < 1401577509 706796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: you know why that isn't true, right < 1401577528 820890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: no, but the abel prize is a real prize < 1401577545 633616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :intended precisely to close the nobel gap < 1401577547 987071 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nobels are all fairly random. i mean, "physiology or medicine"? < 1401577569 607241 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :physicomedicology < 1401577626 63902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my father says of any unsolvable problem "if you solve that, you'll get the nobel prize in mathematics" < 1401577648 753241 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's weird because there is no computable function from computable reals of the first kind (producing approximations of precision 1/2^n) to the second kind (producing binary expansions) < 1401577661 427283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is that just a subtle way of using reductio ad absurdum to say you won't be able to solve it? < 1401577665 595165 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Hackers was such a 90's movie < 1401577676 983133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: only moderately subtle hth < 1401577680 5875 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: QUINTOPIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIAIAIAIAIAIAIAIAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAH! < 1401577699 152381 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iä! Iä! < 1401577712 889422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :old cthulhu had a farm < 1401577755 537124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yw < 1401577769 593664 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(annoyingly I should know this stuff. oh well.) < 1401577784 382225 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well rounding is uncomputable in general < 1401577787 155553 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yolo < 1401577805 660719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whoa, whoa, whoa < 1401577825 203552 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just looked it up. the reason it isn't true (in principle, where wife can be substituted by lover as needed) is that it simply happens not to be true of the girlfriends we know about... < 1401577844 128764 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION computes some well rounded numbers < 1401577845 309169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: now that i've looked up the lyrics to Old MacDonald Had a Farm, i see the origin of certain lyrics from Chicago < 1401577847 397509 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...there is no reason? < 1401577874 116885 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chicago and R'lyeh are related? < 1401577877 490133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: bah you're overcomplicated it < 1401577883 42997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: antipodes hth < 1401577910 538013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i don't know chicago :( < 1401577926 925050 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but it coooooould still be true and history just forgot >.> < 1401577942 306780 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tdh. t. < 1401577944 909401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.metrolyrics.com/roxie-lyrics-chicago-the-musical.html < 1401577969 287619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway now i know the origin of "here a * / there a * / everywhere a *" < 1401577987 930355 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait...it's not from old macdonald? < 1401578002 613996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is (apparently) < 1401578033 381861 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. wait... what made you think it came from anywhere else? < 1401578037 747242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'd never heard the full song in english before < 1401578047 959154 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you from? < 1401578058 729563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've heard it in hebrew < 1401578076 844607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :("uncle moshe had a farm") < 1401578096 300420 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :israel? < 1401578104 2771 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401578106 702345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1401578120 932621 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well now i've also learned something... < 1401578138 9271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1401578152 333009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i've heard it in english too and just forgotten < 1401578166 396055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the only problem is they're non-euclidean antipodes, so you won't find r'lyeh just by changing coordinate signs hth < 1401578223 415392 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i happen to know that many parts of chicago are very close to Fairy < 1401578231 377897 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this i learned from Dresden Files < 1401578252 634879 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are probably parts very close to R'lyeh also < 1401578277 27140 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you like to live in that house? < 1401578296 637264 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't change signs anymore now that I work with dental prosthesis. last time I did that... well. it was... I don't think the result would have fit in a three-dimensional mouth. < 1401578320 775033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: did you just denture cthulhu? < 1401578347 21820 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :once we expand our clientèle over to the Outer Planes. < 1401578374 935895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually changing signs isn't right for longitude anyway) < 1401578416 487524 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :axes in dentistry are fun! we have: buccal/lingual, occlusal/cervical and mesial/distal! < 1401578422 36371 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're context dependent! < 1401578839 786998 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to send graphics via telnet? < 1401578863 511661 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1401578883 158601 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In such a way that common telnet clients do the write thing. < 1401578891 375096 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not counting ASCII art < 1401578915 149125 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, i was about to link telnet://nyancat.dakko.us < 1401578924 829974 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/asciimoo/drawille ? < 1401578969 85612 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401579019 15515 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, Telnet isn't 8-bit clan < 1401579024 485962 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clean < 1401579041 980829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't telnet have a way to specify terminal capabilities? < 1401579048 441426 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yuck! < 1401579923 949947 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight! < 1401579956 939519 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonne tanuitb! < 1401580324 146918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* boily wonders if there's a greek prefix for something between mono- and poly-... <-- oligo- ? < 1401580358 434738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's really a subset of poly-, i guess. < 1401580358 482093 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I know what a monopoly is, and what an oligopoly is, but what is a polypoly? < 1401580427 797905 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a free market? < 1401580466 411491 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose < 1401580624 247154 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you identified the Fourth Kind of polies. mono, oli, roly, and poly.