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00:05:15 <boily> holy fungot of incredible textures.
00:05:15 <fungot> boily: there are two forms of each item, the ears close a group, and can extract it anywhere). if you happen to check newer programs for compatibility with older compilers.
00:05:48 <boily> fungot: only two? you lack imagination and mods. the Crack Pack is... it's... wooooah...
00:05:48 <fungot> boily: 5.2 line labels, an array element is the number of elements that that syntax corresponds to a set bit in :2 or not ( by specifying a line label, any `come from's or `next from's aiming at a command or file which has no effect, simply run `come from' aiming at a labeled statement, although to protect new intercal users c-intercal will look for `come from' behaviour, the expansion libraries
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00:15:51 <kmc> boily: what have you textured
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00:32:35 <Bike> `unicode ૐ
00:32:36 <HackEgo> U+0AD0 GUJARATI OM \ UTF-8: e0 ab 90 UTF-16BE: 0ad0 Decimal: &#2768; \ ૐ \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right)
00:40:02 <Bike> http://arxiv.org/abs/1403.7686 quantum neat thing possibly
00:47:34 <boily> kmc: I slightly tried the Crack Pack. haven't discovered its full potential yet. I was mainly overwhelmed by the Biomes o' Plenty.
00:47:59 <boily> but I'm going to go to sleep first. my brains don't work correctly tonight.
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01:50:14 <MDude> It seems there aren't any expert systems for answering questions on the nature of expert systems.
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02:12:54 <Sgeo> So, NodeJS 11 will have generators. I am now interested in learning NodeJS.
02:14:28 <Bike> tragic.
02:19:41 <Sgeo> There are advantages to having to clearly indicate where any potential cooperative threading yields are
02:20:05 <Sgeo> Hmm, generators are mutable in a way that continuations aren't, ick
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02:32:43 <coppro> what's a generating set for NodeJS?
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02:41:04 <Sgeo> generating set?
02:44:03 <Sgeo> "Good thing we were forced to change our calling syntax to help us see the danger."
02:47:31 <coppro> Sgeo: you know, a set that generates all elements through repeated application of the operation
02:50:28 <Sgeo> var generatingSet = ((function*(){yield 1; yield 2})()).next
02:50:30 <Sgeo> I think
02:51:03 <Sgeo> Hmm, maybe not
02:52:18 <Bike> kinda doubt there's a reasonable way to make a group out of node
02:52:56 <Sgeo> http://howtonode.org/generators-vs-fibers
03:02:41 <Sgeo> wat https://github.com/trevorlinton/webkit.js
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03:06:36 <MDude> What do they generate?
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03:22:09 <Sgeo> http://taskjs.org/
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03:37:13 <MDeam> I find that an odd coincidence, since I mentioned wanting something earlier that apparently amounted to cooperative mulitasking in javascript.
03:37:44 <MDeam> And then it happens is a way that's possibly much better than what I was thinking.
03:38:07 <Sgeo> MDeam: yield and friends isn't available in most browsers. Welcome to callback hell.
03:38:29 <MDeam> Hmmm.
03:38:38 <MDeam> Then I'll stick with making a silly tihng later.
03:39:09 <Sgeo> Promises seem to be the popular way of coping
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04:05:10 <Sgeo> I think nodejs's stdlib looks interesting
04:07:42 <Bike> d d d d d d d d d d dd d d d d d d d
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05:10:34 <Sgeo> npm looks really cool
05:11:14 <oerjan> the new agoran rule about signing your messages looks poised to be both hilarious and annoying.
05:11:24 <oerjan> i just realized it applies even to ##nomic.
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05:12:44 <oerjan> or wait, on rereading the rule, it probably doesn't.
05:14:55 <fowl> how can we kill off javascript once and forall?
05:16:03 <not^v> step one
05:16:20 <not^v> stab everyone involved in making javascript
05:16:23 <not^v> step two
05:16:27 <not^v> stab everyone involved in making HTML5
05:16:32 <not^v> step three
05:16:59 <Sgeo> Ok. The person behind the Socket.IO chat demo is brain damaged
05:17:08 <not^v> make a new non shitty markup scripting language
05:17:11 <mcpherrin> become the biggest mass murderer ever?
05:17:30 <oerjan> mcpherrin: no one said it was going to be easy.
05:17:34 <not^v> also kill all the PHP devs
05:17:37 <Sgeo> The client sanitizes by putting input into a div and reading the HTML. It then sends it, server does no sanitation, and the result gets put into the display via .text()
05:17:44 <fowl> haha
05:17:49 <mcpherrin> not^v: at this point it's probably easier to just wipe out all of humanity
05:17:50 <fowl> not^v, have you seen god bless america?
05:17:54 <Sgeo> Hmm, maybe not
05:18:01 <Sgeo> function cleanInput (input) {
05:18:01 <Sgeo> return $('<div/>').text(input).text();
05:18:01 <Sgeo> }
05:18:05 <oerjan> Die bösen werden geschlachtet
05:18:36 <not^v> mcpherrin, true
05:18:47 <mcpherrin> we probably deserve it
05:18:49 <not^v> lets start the purge
05:18:50 <oerjan> *B
05:19:00 <not^v> everyone with an IQ lower than 200 dies
05:19:11 <fowl> Sgeo, the point of a demo is usually a basic test
05:20:12 <Bike> 200, so that's like 6 SDs, so 1 in 506797346 survive
05:20:23 <Bike> so like... fourteen people or so
05:20:30 <fowl> whats an SD
05:20:36 <Bike> standard deviation
05:20:43 <fowl> ah
05:20:46 <fowl> maff'
05:20:55 <Bike> IQ has a mean of 100 and SD of 15. for example, my IQ is 97
05:22:01 <fowl> according to who?
05:22:12 <Bike> iunno. took a test once.
05:22:18 <elliott> has anyone noticed lately that this channel is completely terrible?
05:22:22 <not^v> Bike, wдt
05:22:38 <not^v> Bike, an IQ of 97 is low
05:22:44 <fowl> Bike, you should retake it, you have a higher iq than that
05:23:01 <not^v> no fucking way you have below average IQ
05:23:07 <not^v> (excluding america)
05:23:14 <Bike> bad news, i'm in america
05:23:19 <Bike> elliott: "what makes you say that"
05:23:19 <not^v> same
05:23:21 <not^v> <_>
05:23:27 <fowl> whats the IQ average in america
05:23:32 <not^v> 85
05:23:34 <not^v> iirc
05:23:39 <fowl> or is it uncomputable because of all the illegal immigrants
05:23:42 <elliott> oh my god would you stop
05:23:43 <not^v> the world is 93 or something
05:23:52 <fowl> jeez
05:24:03 <Bike> ok yeah done being funny.
05:25:15 <not^v> oh, usa is 98 now
05:26:00 <Bike> IQ is a dumb as hell test and I hate living in this environment where sad joke death threats about programming languages are normal.
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05:26:41 <oerjan> <elliott> has anyone noticed lately that this channel is completely terrible? <-- _very_ lately, maybe.
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05:27:27 <Bike> i am the voice of goddess
05:27:31 <Bike> bow before me, peons
05:30:33 <oerjan> you scared away kmc again
05:31:25 <elliott> not^v: look I've kicked you like once or twice already. can we not make me want to do it again in future
05:32:13 <elliott> actually that's my life advice to literally everyone
05:32:15 <Sgeo> socket.io looks... really, really easy to use
05:32:34 <mcpherrin> Sgeo: socket.io is *great* for whacking out demos of neat things
05:32:44 <oerjan> elliott: literally literally?
05:32:47 <Bike> nuh uh, you haven't kicked me once or tw- no. wait, actually you have
05:32:59 <Sgeo> mcpherrin: are you implying it's not great for anything more complex? What are its limitations?
05:33:09 <elliott> oerjan: literally.
05:33:15 <Bike> i... did not read that implication
05:33:47 <mcpherrin> Sgeo: The server is limited to a few hundred connections
05:34:00 <mcpherrin> afaik, I haven't used it in 2-3 years
05:34:10 <Sgeo> mcpherrin: hmm. Found a Haskell library implementing the protocol
05:35:03 <Sgeo> mcpherrin: is that just a server limitation or a protocol limitation
05:35:18 <shachaf> wow what's going on in this channel
05:35:20 <mcpherrin> Sgeo: Dunno; I haven't used it at scale.
05:35:41 <Sgeo> My particular upcoming use case is ... not going to be for a community of hundreds of people
05:35:59 <fowl> everythings falling apart
05:36:09 <fowl> :<
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05:36:13 <not^v> elliott, you kicked me?
05:36:34 <elliott> not^v: yes.
05:36:37 <not^v> i dont remember
05:36:51 <elliott> then I must remember to make my kicks more memorable in future.
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05:38:09 <elliott> oerjan: can I +b an entire continent or something to make things more dramatic?
05:41:42 <oerjan> well it's not like we get any australians, south americans or africans to speak of.
05:41:57 <^v> one time someone used and entire /24 range to spam an irc channel
05:42:01 <elliott> hiato is south african
05:42:06 <elliott> or whatever name he goes by now
05:42:07 <^v> from peru
05:42:18 <elliott> I swear we've had a few australians.
05:42:19 <oerjan> elliott: and when was he last here? i rest my case.
05:42:26 <elliott> oerjan: fairly recently!
05:42:29 <elliott> recent enough to have gotten into haskell
05:42:40 <^v> by /24 i mean /16
05:42:43 <^v> i need bed
05:43:12 <oerjan> itidus was australian wasn't he
05:43:17 <elliott> oh. yeah.
05:43:20 <elliott> maybe I *should* ban australia.
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05:43:41 <elliott> I think we can all agree on that.
05:43:45 <Bike> i feel lied to
05:43:57 <elliott> what's the difference?
05:44:03 <elliott> they're both big desert continents nobody cares about
05:44:18 -!- oerjan has set topic: No penguins allowed | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/.
05:47:24 <oerjan> "The Australian government uses the .aq domain for its official site for the uninhabited Heard Island and McDonald Islands, "heardisland.aq". .hm, the TLD assigned to Heard and McDonald Islands, has instead been transferred to a private registry and opened for general registration."
05:49:47 <^v> oerjan, what are the results of that survey?
05:50:19 <^v> well i gtg bed
05:51:01 <oerjan> `addquote <MDude> It seems there aren't any expert systems for answering questions on the nature of expert systems.
05:51:03 <HackEgo> 1202) <MDude> It seems there aren't any expert systems for answering questions on the nature of expert systems.
05:51:35 <oerjan> ^v: don't ask me
05:51:59 <oerjan> @tell ^v don't ask me
05:51:59 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
05:51:59 <elliott> "Should there be a standardized way of embedding comments? 1. Yes, /* and */ (C++ Style)" good grief, and this calls itself a survey about brainfuck
05:52:12 <^v> lol
05:52:41 <oerjan> elliott: well it's a survey about creating a brainfuck standard hth
05:52:51 <elliott> "What should EOF return? (What happens on EOF) [...] Move one cell to the right"
05:52:56 <fowl> last programming language i wrote used <!-- and --> for comments
05:53:01 <fowl> because, its, hilarious
05:53:05 <elliott> oerjan: by brainfuck standard, you mean most pointless brainfuck dialect yet?
05:54:15 <oerjan> elliott: may i suggest reading that when you're in the mood for some silly fun instead twh hth
05:54:46 <elliott> oerjan: you think esoteric programming languages are the place for silly fun?
05:55:51 <oerjan> fowl: um that's html...
05:56:08 <oerjan> elliott: i know it sounds absurd when you put it that way.
05:56:40 <elliott> oerjan: fowl wrote the HTML specification
05:56:58 <oerjan> ah. one of the people we should kill then.
05:57:23 <fowl> oerjan, i know, html comments inside a programming language, doesnt that make you want to punch a kitten?
05:57:58 <oerjan> surprisingly, no. unless the kitten is otherwise very annoying.
05:58:12 <elliott> you know, being driven to violent thoughts by programming isn't normal or a good thing.
05:58:38 <elliott> I thought this was obvious but apparently this channel has believed otherwise twice in an hour.
05:59:18 <oerjan> yeah calm down with a http://esolangs.org/wiki/Snack
06:01:29 <fowl> elliott, i dont think it is programming that drives me to these thoughts, they just bubble up in a programming context
06:01:35 <oerjan> elliott: psst i was joking because fowl _started_ the previous discussion.
06:01:51 <elliott> oerjan: I was responding to fowl, not you.
06:02:12 <elliott> fowl: ok, I agree you have deeper issues then :p
06:02:26 <oerjan> a fowl mind
06:02:40 <fowl> i have a tiny brain, dinosaur scale, and a cloaca, you know what that is? its all your parts in one. its a nightmare.
06:04:02 <fowl> the only thing that gets me through the day is thought of landing an aerial strike on one of you or your cars
06:04:45 <elliott> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_cloaca cool, you can get born with a cloaca
06:05:48 <fowl> O_O
06:11:47 <Bike> birds are fairly peaceful
07:03:40 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Onecode (GermanyBoy)]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39748&oldid=39746 * GermanyBoy * (-5) /* Hello world */
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07:09:05 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Twocode]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39749&oldid=39747 * GermanyBoy * (-1) /* Factorial */
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08:29:06 <ion> elliott: If you have one, can you lay eggs from it?
08:40:31 <mroman> what exactly does regex-compat use?
08:40:43 <mroman> it doesn't seem like it uses pcre nor posix
08:41:09 <ion> In what programming language?
08:41:55 <mroman> Haskell
08:42:08 <ion> The Hackage description: One module layer over regex-posix to replace Text.Regex
08:42:20 <ion> The Hackage dependencies: …, regex-posix (>= 0.95.1)
08:42:43 <ion> The first paragraph in the Haddock: Regular expression matching. Uses the POSIX regular expression interface in Text.Regex.Posix.
08:42:51 <mroman> Prelude Text.Regex> matchRegexAll (mkRegex "([:digit:]*)") "127"
08:42:51 <mroman> Just ("","","127",[""])
08:43:04 <ion> [[:digit:]]
08:43:15 <mroman> oh
08:43:32 <mroman> right.
08:44:50 <mroman> ion: thx
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10:18:56 <boily> oerjan: no penguins allowed? but penguins are the most bestest cutest birds evar!
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10:26:26 <oerjan> boily: sorry, it was elliott's decision
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10:28:23 <boily> elliott: WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?
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11:23:59 <FireFly> no penguins, dood?
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15:41:53 <Bike> https://github.com/seutje
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15:55:17 <nooodl> "If you want, you can specify a longer banner width (gitbanner -w X ...). Any width longer than 52 will be cut off on Github, but the banner will be slowly revealed as the weeks go by."
15:55:21 <nooodl> amazing
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15:56:26 <int-e> ouch :)
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17:22:55 <Phantom_Hoover> great, for the second time this term my exam's had an incorrect question
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17:39:21 <oerjan> nice timing, i got back the same minute the thunderweather started
17:50:43 <elliott> ion: I do not have a cloaca.
17:53:58 <oerjan> shocking
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17:58:12 <oerjan> `WeLcOmE mihow
17:58:13 <HackEgo> MiHoW: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: <HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/>. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.)
17:58:37 <mihow> thanks! hi
17:59:08 <mihow> what language is that bot written in?
17:59:29 <oerjan> HackEgo runs (nearly) arbitrary linux commands
18:00:10 <mihow> cool. I see some potential for an esoteric language there.
18:00:26 <oerjan> now _fungot_ on the other hand...
18:00:26 <fungot> oerjan: in intercal, programs other than the more of these contexts. the resulting threads backtrack; this is an expression is placed on a system not based on unix and linux systems and versions are also marked `volatile'.
18:00:33 <oerjan> ^source
18:00:33 <fungot> https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
18:01:21 <mihow> nice!
18:02:11 <oerjan> and EgoBot is the bot with a lot of esolang interpreters. (in principle HackEgo has copies of them, but the setup isn't quite working)
18:02:25 <oerjan> !unlambda ``.h.ii
18:02:27 <EgoBot> hi
18:03:30 <mihow> oh interesting. is HackEgo in github?
18:03:31 <oerjan> and there are a number of other bots which aren't so eso-related.
18:03:38 <oerjan> hm i think so.
18:03:44 <oerjan> `help
18:03:44 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
18:03:59 <oerjan> well it has its own webpage
18:04:02 <oerjan> `? HackEgo
18:04:03 <HackEgo> HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing.
18:04:18 <oerjan> but i think the underlying code is somewhere like github
18:04:37 <oerjan> and some of it is shared with EgoBot
18:04:45 <mihow> !unlambda ` `.t.est
18:04:46 <EgoBot> te
18:05:06 <mihow> !unlambda ` `.t.e.s.t
18:05:06 <EgoBot> te
18:06:04 <oerjan> mihow: you need 1 less ` than other functions (where .x counts as one function)
18:06:42 <oerjan> ^wiki unlambda
18:06:42 <fungot> http://esolangs.org/wiki/unlambda
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18:08:08 <oerjan> Gregor: nice github picture
18:08:35 <mihow> !unlambda `.ix
18:08:36 <EgoBot> ​./interps/unlambda/unlambda.bin: file /tmp/input.20501: parse error
18:08:42 <oerjan> mihow: https://github.com/GregorR/hackbot
18:08:56 <mihow> ha, okay i’ll practive outside of irc
18:09:03 <mihow> practice
18:09:25 <oerjan> x isn't one of the unlambda functions :)
18:09:44 <oerjan> mihow: you can ask EgoBot in private too
18:09:46 <mihow> I thought that’s where the argument goes
18:10:28 <int-e> !unlambda `r`.!`.d`.l`.r`.o`.w`. `.o`.l`.l`.e`.Hi
18:10:28 <EgoBot> Hello world!
18:10:34 <oerjan> an unlambda expression is either one of the builtin functions or ` followed by two expressions.
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18:13:50 <mihow> !unlambda `.k`.n`.i`.o`.Bi
18:13:50 <EgoBot> Boink
18:14:18 <mihow> jawohl
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18:15:45 <mihow> okay back to work, thanks for the help oerjan & int-e. I lookforward to playing with hackbot
18:15:59 <oerjan> see you
18:16:01 <int-e> !unlambda `````.H.l`.e. ``.l.,`.o.!```.s.u`.h.e``.f.l`.fri
18:16:01 <EgoBot> Hello, shuffle!
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18:17:17 <int-e> (it's fun to take a binary tree of with identities at the leaves and work out the evaluation order)
18:18:13 <int-e> I guess the next level is to sprinkle some `d in there.
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19:37:14 <ion> ARST ARSW: Star Wars sorted alphabetically http://youtu.be/5GFW-eEWXlc
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19:50:49 <olsner> hmm, is there only 43m of dialogue in star wars?
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19:52:11 <Bike> seems believablwe
19:54:13 <olsner> hmm, I'd like it by frequency
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19:57:07 <olsner> kenobi occurs twice as often as jedi
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22:25:45 <ion> Seems legit. http://imgur.com/gallery/4nnbyru
22:26:29 <Bike> haha.
22:26:50 <Bike> bump at 100 too, weird
22:41:51 <Phantom_Hoover> small bump at 0 too
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22:42:14 <Phantom_Hoover> presumably because it clips off either end of the bell curve and dumps those people into those two buckets
22:42:54 <elliott> I would expect 0 to be entirely people who didn't answer any questions or something
22:43:05 <elliott> it's kind of impressive to be perfectly wrong
22:44:23 <Phantom_Hoover> right but the bell curve is still there at 1 and 2
22:44:34 <Phantom_Hoover> and it's just as ridiculous to get only one question right
22:44:53 <Phantom_Hoover> speaking of which— wait i already complained about
22:44:54 <Phantom_Hoover> *that
22:45:01 <Bike> noted
22:45:12 <elliott> what I mean is that there are plenty of people who would get scores above 0% but choose not to.
22:45:23 <elliott> so I don't think it's just clipping off the bell curve
22:46:33 <Phantom_Hoover> maybe, but i mean wouldn't you expect that there'd be a bigger number of people getting 0 than 100 then?
22:46:59 <Phantom_Hoover> whereas the jump at 0 is a lot smaller than the one at 100
22:47:17 <elliott> cheating might inflate 100%, too :P
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22:51:17 <Taneb> Hello
22:51:36 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, 0 could be "not turned up"
22:52:12 <FireFly> though then I'd expect it to be a lot bigger
22:52:14 <Phantom_Hoover> again, that would probably mean way more people would get 0 than 1
22:52:27 <Phantom_Hoover> whereas it's actually only about twice as much
22:52:37 <Taneb> I... don't actually know where this data is coming from
22:52:59 <Bike> in the grand reddit tradition, there is no source.
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22:53:42 <Bike> ok
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23:07:44 <Sgeo> https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/28c6e42e
23:09:33 <Bike> nice
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23:40:23 <Sgeo> Ugh, are Chrome extensions not allowed to abuse the Javascript on pages?
23:41:10 <Sgeo> I think it would be possibly interesting to, say, write a <canvas> disabler that does something like HTMLCanvasNode.prototype.getContext = function(){};
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