< 1402358515 846127 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402358547 551250 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402358955 413225 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402359072 616341 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-2.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402359082 570745 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-2.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402360907 386595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do Google's HTTP servers have a lot of protocol violations? < 1402361055 655539 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-2.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to madden you < 1402361344 159593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it has anything to do with me < 1402361963 218652 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1402362192 729299 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: because lots of people don't follow protocols, sometimes because they can't, because of other people not following protocols < 1402363019 470130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402363238 193310 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402363491 308966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you please help me? Is ZCDSF even LALR(1)? < 1402363576 939004 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402363604 594576 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402363621 400173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The compiler says there aren't any conflicts, but it still doesn't work. < 1402363732 781105 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402363764 575390 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402363959 373849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I may have found one of the mistakes; probably many of the mistakes I made are in the tokenizer instead of in the parser. < 1402363981 607567 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-2.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402364012 528084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tokenizer was deleting some semicolons that shouldn't be deleted. < 1402364081 409864 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-243.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1402364095 421786 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-205.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402364112 24452 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-243.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1402364112 263086 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402364201 8234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it works now. < 1402364291 478979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macros still have a few problems. < 1402364779 128234 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402364908 272629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I fixed it. I accidentally put a minus sign instead of equal sign and that caused a problem < 1402365951 886679 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love working at 1:15AM! < 1402365958 283640 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocl < 1402365961 3042 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ick < 1402366799 438606 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-205.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402366912 317710 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-103-236.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402367063 46194 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: g2g < 1402367201 348520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made it: http://zzo38computer.org/prog/zcdsflib.zip < 1402367263 331919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please look in the file called "zcdsflib.h" for the list of API functions. < 1402367310 636809 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this is good? < 1402367452 79021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't quite perfect. < 1402367478 531686 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't secure either. < 1402367666 897336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402367845 647144 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402367846 376972 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402368078 312686 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-103-236.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402368204 790485 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-38-3.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402368264 902168 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cgxztaojyigduhhj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1402369716 204954 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1402370159 121545 :Leb!bd06fe5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.254.93 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1402370328 571016 :Bike_!~Glossina@216-161-91-8.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402370527 752247 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-38-3.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402370552 411385 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402370612 615552 :Bike_!~Glossina@216-161-91-8.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402371160 366606 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402371689 617489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A music tracker software I would think, it would help to have three more windows: SQL window, MML compiler window, and synthesizer window. Do you know of such a software, which can also make/edit/play a .MOD and .S3M and .IT and .XM formats? < 1402371767 76326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also even such format as .MOD and so on you cannot enable multiple effects at once < 1402372344 224025 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402372352 84011 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good news, everyone! < 1402372365 901839 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm pretty sure that a while back, in this channel, someone mentioned "coffee with butter in". < 1402372436 710391 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned that that sounded wrong to me; you'd have to say "coffee with butter in it". < 1402372455 59705 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas it's perfectly fine to say e.g. "a gun with bullets in". < 1402372457 459058 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone asked why. < 1402372463 453401 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now think I know the answer to that question. < 1402372482 747807 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"slightly different dialect" < 1402372484 186148 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is that something is only "in" if it operates by being inside of whatever it's inside of. Otherwise, it has to be "in it". < 1402372506 887221 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bullets operate by being inside of guns. Butter does not operate by being inside of coffee. < 1402372532 957924 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever heard the term "post-hoc" < 1402372562 321757 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in post-hoc analysis? < 1402372577 404508 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1402372605 573671 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. It's hard to do analysis without already having some data. < 1402372708 489995 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the implication is you just make something up after the fact. < 1402372727 50409 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I tried to come up with a simple hypothesis that fit the data well. < 1402372732 202654 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :without much real possibility that it's the cause (for instance: why does this matter to americans and not to brits) < 1402372769 641017 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cos you keep doing this and you're gonna end up thinking "fuck" is an initialism, you know? < 1402372844 186490 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I haven't yet thought of a counterexample or an alternative hypothesis that seems to work better. < 1402372870 340366 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quirk of history assisted by geographic separations < 1402372987 563779 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever used a gun < 1402373021 296840 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you realize that you're not actually contradicting what I said? < 1402373026 883200 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yes, but not a bullet gun. < 1402373035 2357 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is an alternative hypothesis. < 1402373064 289546 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't used a gun, but i have concluded that they work by magnetic acceleration, cos that's how i'd make one. < 1402373069 825085 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hypothesis is a hypothesis about what the rule is for me personally. Your hypothesis is a hypothesis about why it's that way. < 1402373105 795401 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicycle artillery < 1402373121 961375 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I ain't never used none of them BULLET GUNS.) < 1402373131 992159 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you do that to a bicycle jafet < 1402373174 949676 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't put artillery on a unicycle, man, it would fall over. < 1402373195 404842 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicycle artillery. What a great idea. < 1402373228 689344 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have the artillery fire in both ways simultaneously < 1402373255 52328 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a word for a gun that isn't a firearm? < 1402373265 237022 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that never stopped the Dresden Unicycle Military Branch's firing uni cyclist kooks. < 1402373272 994974 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :waterleg < 1402373427 165868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are tracker music formats supposed to be deliberately difficult to work with? < 1402373433 451877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like it to me. < 1402373527 122242 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Air gun, I guess. < 1402373660 633334 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's a well known fact that leonardo davinci wrote his chiptunes backwards to confuse thieves. < 1402374518 548394 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1402375978 307771 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402376340 411501 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1175983193.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402376434 699178 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1176387195.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402377199 554858 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1402379205 180064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402379406 819451 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1402381562 544351 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402383358 729943 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402383390 690989 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1402383631 647597 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402383635 573403 :tertu_!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402384115 818495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402384121 45359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungots fall on fungot falls < 1402384121 245406 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: or not. i didn't write down who said that < 1402384241 735801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: apparently, godspeed you black emperor hth < 1402384241 975310 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: strike the " for" < 1402384255 703377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: already did hth < 1402384255 973214 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this means that whatever the 2nd interpreter does added to the hashtable i have the patch? < 1402384284 237594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i don't know, show me the code < 1402384284 505161 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my fnord have fnord of code improvement are applicable to many languages < 1402384298 863663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i think that got censored hth < 1402384299 104566 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i did?) has no support for processes. < 1402384325 754563 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^language hth < 1402384451 727618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1402384451 927403 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 < 1402384466 295951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it has that command < 1402384722 793058 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402384840 666355 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1176387195.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402384921 598857 :vyv!~vyv@70.51.217.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402385031 324831 :password2!~password@197.78.138.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402387509 393327 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Loughry pushed some new stuff < 1402387515 963812 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He pushed more source code and the LIST source code too < 1402387526 244767 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/jloughry/BANCStar/blob/master/MM1SM1.SCN < 1402387536 358538 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/jloughry/BANCStar/tree/master/LIST/src/ < 1402387540 589753 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- that's the LIST source < 1402387564 118635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK now let me to see it < 1402387607 825716 :micha2718l!~AndChat57@cpe-172-250-98-136.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402387661 941573 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He also found a PDF that documents opcodes < 1402387672 608393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although "documents"... :D < 1402387677 290036 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lists them at least :D < 1402387725 122263 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :4001 - 7999 is Draw < 1402387727 798186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that means. < 1402387833 689909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do the asterisks on the left side means? < 1402387876 123766 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea. < 1402387898 872180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of these things I have already guessed a bit from the other printouts and examples < 1402387959 846060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoever printed it out forgot to compensate for the holes < 1402388120 795773 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :10000 - 12000 are "Arithmetic Commands" < 1402388137 483334 :password2!~password@197.78.138.29 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402388150 685311 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still very little information :) < 1402388196 739729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although from looking at the printout, a few more things can be figured out about that. < 1402388211 46045 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402388235 877624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already figured that 10000 and so on are used for direct assignment, and low numbered commands are prompts, from what was available before. < 1402388256 281107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :From looking at printout a few more things about how this "arithmetic commands" can be figured out. < 1402388394 154007 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, the three operands to "arithmetic commands" seem to be the values to add or otherwise do, where you have to multiply by ten and add two. A number 1 to 2000 is a variable, or you can add 2200 for a literal number (I don't know why it is 2200). < 1402388463 707603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for comparisons, there is no "multiply by ten", and you instead add ten thousand for a numeric literal, or thirty thousand for a character literal. < 1402388530 907826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what happens if you add twenty thousand.) < 1402388625 119426 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need more things to graph < 1402388659 306216 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-243.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1402388678 109336 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones digit of the arithmetic operands seems to be 2 for addition and 6 for substrings; I don't know what 5 means. < 1402388689 527285 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-243.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1402388689 727055 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402388689 727176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: graph the number of graphs that don't graph themselves hth < 1402388936 969528 :micha2718l!~AndChat57@cpe-172-250-98-136.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1402388948 410482 :micha2718l!~AndChat57@cpe-172-250-98-136.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402389229 322340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I see arithmetic operator 4 is division < 1402389343 355573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the context, it seems that command 3100 might mean that it is an error if the condition is false; rewind and tell the user to try again. < 1402389504 459081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is now clear from the arrows that 3001 command block does not nest, and just combines conditions using a "and" operation; I have already guessed this from the part of the program that "only ten people can read", and now I have confirmed it. < 1402389570 552502 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402389647 651079 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402389697 412289 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402389697 612056 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402389717 26620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Turning BANCStar up to eleven | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1402390170 602033 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am guessing that the last value in the prompt commands is the position on the screen which it is displayed. < 1402390195 722277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is in row/column format < 1402390204 532801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the row is multiplied by one hundred < 1402390323 632932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is in format: variable,help-position,response-length,field-position is my currently guess < 1402390383 930068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why some of them use negative numbers though. Probably that means something too. < 1402390436 817960 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402390723 301322 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: He alos pushed 58 pages of annotated source code :) < 1402390731 890347 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/jloughry/BANCStar/blob/master/LIST/doc/C16LNAPP.SCN_LIST_report.pdf < 1402390784 475025 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which also includes some "Screenshots" of the GUI at the end < 1402390820 266328 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least what his tool generated < 1402390862 708917 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: He also found a copy of the actual software < 1402390873 115690 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a floppy disk :) < 1402390878 19149 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which he tries to recover < 1402390886 181373 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's hope the floppy disk isn't too much damaged. < 1402390952 399925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I am looking at those annotated codes now < 1402391015 281753 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402391335 564183 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402391628 316797 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402391640 174087 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1402392166 247440 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is this about BANCStar still? < 1402392185 818352 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be < 1402392364 559112 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402392385 11495 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yep < 1402392428 963551 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the first number in a BANCStar line always the opcode? < 1402392544 657564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think so < 1402392583 191352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the opcode also includes the number of the variable to manipulate, if applicable. < 1402392584 725856 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make an entry on the eso wiki for BANCStar < 1402392835 758811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall BANCStar being removed because someone insisted it's not esoteric. not sure it was the wiki, though. < 1402392875 977735 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BANCStar14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39783 5* 03B jonas 5* (+730) 10Created page with "'''BANCStar''' is a language that was used in production in finance in the 1990s, even though it looks like an esoteric language. Each line in a BANCStar program is four op..." < 1402392916 826930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the prehistory of esolangs page, as well as some people wanting "honorary esolangs" too; however, it is unsure how to organize such thing within the wiki, and furthermore in a few cases it may be disagreed of what counts. < 1402392943 890083 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, if you don't like honorary esolangs, just add a category for them or something < 1402392955 308926 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39784&oldid=39737 5* 03B jonas 5* (+15) 10 < 1402392990 627018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I myself am OK with it (and agree with you to make it separate category), but perhaps we can decide which way best. < 1402393028 114817 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, just delete it if you decide there's no place for it < 1402393047 99002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and add Haskell and C++ etc if you decide you want honorary esolangs or something < 1402393083 425122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't consider to add those, but that is what I say, it may be disagreed of what counts. < 1402393125 936203 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :More seriously, I wouldn't bother to add stuff like Haskell or C++ or TeX or metafont etc, because there's already lots of information about those everywhere on the internet. < 1402393128 170717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i think the prospect that people will start adding things like haskell and c++ is a reason why we've avoided it... < 1402393148 642783 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you're actually studying BANCStar here, then it deserves a place on the eso wiki. < 1402393177 893628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's try it then. < 1402393181 913860 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if someone does want to bother, I don't feel a problem with adding C++, as long as it's not seriously misrepresented < 1402393196 613451 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, don't claim that it's not used in production or that it was intended as an esolang originally < 1402393247 270783 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :should BANCStar go into bounded storage languages, or have you found a way to address arrays? < 1402393259 245559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note of things like http://esolangs.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_esoteric_programming_languages existing, as well as some things on user subpages such as http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ian/Computer_architectures < 1402393304 641656 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure < 1402393306 927082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: There are "tables", but I don't know how they work. Probably it is bounded storage but of course I don't know; only things we can do for now is to makes guesses < 1402393332 297444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that the Special:Random will never select a user page < 1402393379 157482 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind, it's not like bounded storage really means much in a language implemented in a computer < 1402393459 945940 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1402393554 731176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think pages can also be moved between name spaces if that help < 1402393562 67758 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1402393710 749967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would delete [[Perl]] if oerjan didn't make it mildly amusing < 1402393739 877089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hadn't made, rather < 1402393764 172782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I think that Perl article is good the way it is written, for being on esolang wiki < 1402393843 930346 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402393871 168044 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Perl14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39785&oldid=37512 5* 03B jonas 5* (+26) 10 < 1402393893 651703 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402393910 265389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that category is for esoteric languages only, I think < 1402393917 918956 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Perl14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39786&oldid=39785 5* 03B jonas 5* (+54) 10 < 1402393926 131837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe not < 1402393929 890042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not a subcat of Languages < 1402393940 256867 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should probably be a cateogry for non-esoteric languages < 1402393954 229867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Implemented and TC should maybe be reserved for esoteric-only, I think. < 1402393962 164441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or probably one for honorary esolang, at least < 1402393971 821920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, probably those two should at least < 1402393996 114383 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like you can have 501 pages < 1402394010 321742 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably 500 < 1402394015 231976 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume 0 isn't a "legal" page < 1402394031 548454 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402394034 573551 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :values > 501 are function keys < 1402394047 364915 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There may sometimes be reasons why you might have TC on other things too but I don't think of any right now. But I agree that Implemented probably only for (non-honorary) esolangs) < 1402394052 943500 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for BANCStar, the strange part is why they didn't use at least an assembler for handling the code labels and variables < 1402394060 329754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: OK < 1402394071 837472 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I was thinking about quite the same kind of things < 1402394092 339127 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402394095 527669 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :such an assembler could probably be made compatible with existing code < 1402394097 973993 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :An assembler (supporting a superset of the existing syntax) could be done. < 1402394111 922868 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least not less compatible than writing raw code) < 1402394112 682222 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do it if I knew enough about it! < 1402394125 145757 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :L_COMMTS.C is probably going to be most helpful < 1402394132 763200 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I probably have a strange idea about these kinds of things: < 1402394159 669800 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :8500 with M3 40XX is like pressing the corresponding key o_O < 1402394202 813716 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :back when we had to write the same homework in two languages, I wrote a translator from a language that had the intersection of their features, and then when that worked fine, I ran out of time and couldn't write the actual program to work well < 1402394204 232181 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even execute DOS commands apparentely < 1402394230 989260 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even now I probably care too much about the tools < 1402394243 671713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mromas: Yes I saw that. < 1402394291 526173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this BANCStar system connected to a database or network or printer or something? < 1402394309 878616 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402394310 209549 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Did you look at the arithmetic commands < 1402394310 409593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I would guess, all three, probably. < 1402394315 694997 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are really weird < 1402394322 707209 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looks like there's -+*/ < 1402394344 808435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I have looked at the scanned listing file, and figure out some of how it works, as I have described above. < 1402394363 262168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't finished looking at all of them yet, though. < 1402394393 757162 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Values under 2000 are prompts < 1402394412 828842 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you reverse engineering this? from those printouts only? or do you have access to an implementation (not necessarily in working condition)? < 1402394413 62065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Yes I figured out that already. < 1402394415 415845 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means if the operand_2 is 1000 it will show the user a prompt with the text stored in 1000? < 1402394425 167014 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: From those printouts only. < 1402394440 399965 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: We might get access to an implementation < 1402394452 87996 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on whether JLoughry can read the floppy disk he found < 1402394481 973629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even from just the two pages that were originally scanned, and the information that was released when they wrote about the program that only ten people can read it, I could figure out a lot of things. < 1402394494 374036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although a lot of it, just being guesses. < 1402394523 637024 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402394524 854377 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Out of curiousity: Do you plan to implement BANCStar? < 1402394530 845880 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or why did you start reverse engineering it? < 1402394643 251104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Just to figure it out, because figure out that kind of stuff interests me a bit. < 1402395288 381785 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402395645 217346 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you documented what you've figured out so far in a file or something? < 1402396184 612006 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing doing the printing seems to print "variable" numbers emboldened. I wonder if that has any semantic meaning or is just a pretty-printing thing < 1402396690 548905 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402396827 997896 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: probably no semantic meaning, for http://reocities.com/ResearchTriangle/station/2266/tarpit/bancstar.html < 1402396837 47856 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :says "The only legal characters in a BANCStar program are the digits 0 through 9, comma, minus sign, and carriage return. Blank lines are not allowed. If a "." appears anywhere in the file, the compiler will crash." < 1402396928 6443 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense < 1402396984 209195 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler. crashes. on a fungotting period. I refuse to believe that. < 1402396984 438762 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hey would fnord be fun to watch him argue with a native fnord. < 1402397005 163608 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: there are multiple kinds of fnords? < 1402397005 581962 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if you consider that i stated only what i need is to override a specific procedure and then re-export everything else the way it is < 1402397020 401847 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, consider that < 1402397032 66229 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dies this really have a compiler? I totally thought this was some interpreter that interprets the array of fours of integers. < 1402397250 443963 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It has a "Screen Generator" < 1402397268 118561 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I think allowed you to create Forms WYSYWG style? < 1402397303 269046 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a program at least that allowed to to create stuff which was translated to BANCStar language that was interpreted by some sort of VM < 1402397309 37418 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you to < 1402397321 200576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what's so strange about that, after all it's just the compiler coming to a full stop < 1402397328 567591 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as he said, that Screen Generator wasn't powerful enough so they started reverse engineering the VM < 1402397345 80880 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and program directly in it instead of using the screen generator < 1402397366 189943 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I understand it it was never meant to be programmed in it directly which is why there's no official documentation of it < 1402397378 752818 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird because... I mean < 1402397384 726114 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you program a VM you document it, right? < 1402397396 544000 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: sure, < 1402397402 461731 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Who actually wrote the BANCStar "VM"? < 1402397430 58567 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. the NFCS Inc. < 1402397444 193249 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1402397444 392862 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: but I meant about that statement that the "compiler crashes" if it meets a full stop in the barnstar numbers < 1402397484 352659 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ... < 1402397507 828742 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Oh. Hm... < 1402397514 491993 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good question < 1402397552 74670 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We developed some in-house tools for programming large applications in BANCStar, and at one point attempted to interest Broadway & Seymour in them, but I think they never really believed us, that we were writing directly to their internal, low-level, undocumented machine code." < 1402397557 79273 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1402397591 621387 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would Broadway & Seymour create a VM and not document it's machine code < 1402397604 385962 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why wouldn't the programmers just ask them for a documentation < 1402397610 532307 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all really really creepy < 1402397621 74595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: because it's supposed to be an internal form for the screne generator program < 1402397623 118190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: manifest destiny hth < 1402397635 629953 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yeah. < 1402397640 750324 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: IMO, the people that started to misuse it and write the internal form directly without proper tools are to blame < 1402397647 903972 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how will you write the Screen Generator without documentation of the VM it's supposed to target? < 1402397659 509001 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes. this was before 1990 < 1402397667 348651 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: don't try to think of it like you're in 2014 < 1402397679 131251 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like you wrote a VM, then a "Compiler"/"Generator" that targets said VM < 1402397683 697241 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you never documented the freaking VM? < 1402397690 579899 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell < 1402397707 661728 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck maintaining that compiler then < 1402397708 307646 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they documented it with pen and paper < 1402397710 472852 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, or maybe they documented it internally, but never released the docs about that with their proprietary screen generator software < 1402397732 901808 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's documentation in the source code for their screen generator or something < 1402397743 299134 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I understand that they did not release the docs if you weren't supposed to program in it < 1402397752 497226 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but once you KNOW that people really program in it < 1402397760 276003 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the point I would release the documentation < 1402397769 341826 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly even *sell* the documentation to earn more money < 1402397789 721735 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of saying "Well, you guys just reverse engineer it. I don't care. I won't help you." < 1402397801 813489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: probably those docs were not in a releasable state < 1402397816 317645 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1402397824 451530 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for gods sake they reverse engineered it :) < 1402397827 743795 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and come on, if you were the developer and someone told you thye want to develop right for that internal language, wouldn't you just LAUGH AT THEM? < 1402397831 800434 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even a not so good doc is better than nothing. < 1402397837 496671 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those people deserve not to have the docs < 1402397842 443068 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I would laugh < 1402397853 237240 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm pretty sure I'd send them the docs I have < 1402397858 720120 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit scared that stuff like this was actually powering banks < 1402397864 257186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for free probably but I'd sell them < 1402397896 642338 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "well, you're not supposed to do that but for 1000$ bucks I'll give you the documentation" < 1402397907 903108 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: have you looked at the scanned screenshots on github? it probably just powered credit application form printout stuff, not real banking programs < 1402397908 739905 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really my problem if they program in the internal language < 1402397921 670689 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than this means that my screen generator is crap :D < 1402397927 700537 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah, I'm reading it currently < 1402397956 73437 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I would laugh at first, then realize that my product is apparentely so crappy, they started reverse engineering undocumented stuff and that'd make me sad < 1402398010 489797 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: again, this was before 1990. think of it like that. you didn't have infinite computing resources back then. < 1402398032 606318 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse engineering random programs from a floppy was sort of the norm at that time < 1402398157 594646 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CRAWFISH CHICKEN < 1402398265 644907 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1402398279 87142 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:4:: QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402398300 535092 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:4:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1402398501 433868 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: operand fields ≥2200 seem to be constants, and the least significant digit of each operand seems to determine the operation somehow < 1402398547 774009 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thing is bizarre < 1402398603 650236 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the highest magnitude number that appears in the source? < 1402398707 451787 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno, but e.g. here a parameter is 25652, which, if I'm guessing correctly, corresponds to the constant value 365 and the operation 2 (addition or concat or something) < 1402398749 333283 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are probably bigger numbers though, a scanned-in pdf isn't easy to search < 1402398821 448014 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1402398829 435490 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least this seems to use ASCII < 1402398863 446757 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, never mind < 1402398995 171545 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1402399074 858798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's the right order of magnitude for a -32768 .. 32767 range < 1402399084 371514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of 16 bits < 1402399345 426919 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 89 < 1402399346 790557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'Y' < 1402399429 250664 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: >= 2200 && <= 3276 < 1402399452 799423 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for exponentian < 1402399498 79662 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :conditionals seem to use other conventions for how to denote constant values < 1402399521 829421 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :10xxx seems to be a constant int, 30xxx a constant char (ASCII-encoded) < 1402399548 417944 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also operator is % 10 and operand / 10? < 1402399570 685354 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1402399573 449881 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1402399582 657269 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :for assignemnts < 1402399597 505278 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :How mid$ comes into that, I've no clue < 1402399619 281559 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you encode where to assign in the op itself, right? < 1402399632 477493 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1402399664 565053 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402399665 665455 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :M1-10000 < 1402399673 341436 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get what the prompts are < 1402399679 442817 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A prompt can store an integer? < 1402399699 432243 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me neither, but I think it could be related to the whole drawing-a-window thing < 1402399710 989605 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a list of prompt variables and their types and lengths at the end of the PDF < 1402399837 555255 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402399844 354129 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm k < 1402399851 414393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably from the prompt file < 1402399860 346695 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402399889 241418 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did this thing have some Database in the background? < 1402399898 210735 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :to store forms/files? < 1402400131 893489 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are table search commands for example < 1402400151 856456 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever a table is < 1402400306 607773 :M28_!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402400369 554391 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402400384 609927 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are indirect prompts as well < 1402400398 344396 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea what indirect refers to right now < 1402400420 582139 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :22002 seems to be used as a general "unused operand".. I wonder what the reference implementation would do if you passed something else instead < 1402400442 922002 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, "x ← number of days between y and z" seems to be 1xxxx,yyyy9,zzzz3,22002 < 1402400454 270113 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. There's file-io too < 1402400463 465004 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1402400466 310265 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1402400487 312201 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402400515 215930 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :16000 - 18999 < 1402400533 457221 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = 0; if Applicant == 'Y': foo = 1; if Spouse == 'Y': foo = 1; ...; if foo == 1: ... < 1402400549 445859 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it this thing doesn't have a cleaner way to do "or" < 1402400586 119075 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :" It took about two weeks to become fluent in the language." < 1402400593 505536 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two weeks is actually not very long < 1402400609 611873 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402400755 830674 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proceed If aborts if it fails? < 1402400774 985161 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's if, block if, proceed if and reverse block proceed if whatever that is supposed to be < 1402400869 432491 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it reverse block if? < 1402400883 125059 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think that's like a do-while loop, essentially (guessing by the arrow to the left) < 1402400893 105168 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1402400910 187287 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're missing reverse if, reverse block if, and block proceed if? < 1402400923 22783 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse if wouldn't make much sense < 1402400925 395757 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reverse proceed if < 1402400955 171095 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which of those is computed come from? < 1402400964 157320 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither I think < 1402400995 931225 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so 3101 jumps back to a previous 3101? < 1402401000 679804 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :if is "conditionally execute next line", block if is "ignore until block-end if condition holds", reverse block if is the same but backwards < 1402401006 882085 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks ilke that from the C16LNAPP < 1402401007 523940 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI < 1402401013 188744 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I haven't found a nested 3101 now < 1402401021 551202 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, unless condition holds* < 1402401066 559171 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: so none of those have a target label? < 1402401067 518731 :tertu_!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402401082 619686 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is actually structured programming with if-endif rather than if-goto? < 1402401083 114439 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1402401087 364291 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty advanced for its age < 1402401090 130204 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah < 1402401099 493437 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :3101 looks like it jumps back to a previous 3101 < 1402401106 176487 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 3001 jumps forward to the next 3001 < 1402401108 313372 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1402401137 497535 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yep. there is also "save address", "goto screen N", "return from subroutine" < 1402401151 143387 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: What's WSF*** < 1402401155 434246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1402401162 56012 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue < 1402401164 233314 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are those prompts? < 1402401168 731292 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :files? tables? windows? < 1402401190 592856 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1402401194 947249 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can compile brainfuck to bancstar then < 1402401200 390737 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402401215 457094 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1402401225 756629 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1402401228 671833 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then claim that this is one of those trivial brainfuck variants like Ook! that only replace the symbols with a longer encoding < 1402401234 663693 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are occurences of 3001 followed by another 3001 < 1402401238 328090 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, the if-endif doesn't nest < 1402401239 30215 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] would be 3101,,, or something < 1402401241 626213 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only followed by one endif block < 1402401249 745082 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: you only need nested do-while, not nested if < 1402401259 469565 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it really jumps only to the next end block < 1402401264 520341 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :do-while also does not nest I think < 1402401272 829202 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1402401281 209111 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So compiling brainfuck would be a bit tricky < 1402401283 5411 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :C16LNAPP line 00892 < 1402401287 321188 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1402401294 345171 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a 3001, and a "nested" 3001 < 1402401302 133018 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they both end at 00900 < 1402401306 357404 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(according to the arrows at least) < 1402401309 341620 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guess it's more practical to just escape to machine code somehow < 1402401390 549520 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yeah, I'm guessing it's implemented by setting a flag to ignore commands, and end-of-block resets it, or some such < 1402401499 443013 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: or more likely just fast-scanning for the end of block command in a separate loop < 1402401662 773560 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why's that more likely :D? < 1402401713 591536 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402401780 644954 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1402401871 397468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe they don't do either: instead the block if command just stores its label to a global variable, the end-of-block commands are preprocessed to know where the previous end-of-block statement is, and the end-of-block statements are compiled as a computed come from that kicks in when that global variable is set to anything between their address and the address of the previous end-of-block. < 1402401917 475689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402401951 126433 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be simpler than either ABSTAINING FROM all statements other than end-of-block like FireFly suggests, or scanning in the code memory to find the end-of-block < 1402402018 628409 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ignoring commands when a global flag is set is very easy to implement ;) < 1402402074 217717 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: but so is a loop to scan forward if your code is represented in as simple a way as four words per statement, first word is opcode < 1402402079 377423 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1402402227 600800 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402402316 483160 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/jloughry/BANCStar/blob/master/LIST/src/L_COMMTS.C seems to have a lot of interesting info < 1402402379 87617 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1402402390 674908 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even enough to write an interpreter :D < 1402402456 226236 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: is that a code pretty printer? < 1402402464 397320 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1402402486 170476 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the LIST utility is apparently what took a BANCStar source file and produced a listing like the pdf that was linked before < 1402402533 914710 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee, that loop with "Deactivate F7 - activate all other F-keys" in that pretty-printer seems copy-paste code < 1402402553 397347 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just a pretty printer < 1402402564 91334 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it annotates code with pseudo-code < 1402402586 545212 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes. that's a pretty-printer. or call it a disassembler if you prefer. < 1402402629 253002 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't ;) < 1402402633 939306 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll call it code annotator < 1402402717 731438 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also call it a syntax highlighter :P < 1402402742 700691 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it typesets variables in boldtext and things < 1402402778 529184 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the holy grail of a tool . < 1402402785 540230 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if you beleive in the holy grail < 1402402796 797622 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*believe < 1402402890 54971 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whose bright idea was it to make the conditional operator encoding depend on the type? < 1402402917 543671 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, the check for inequality of strings seems to be encoded with the same operator number as >= on numbers < 1402402945 696279 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are string variables? < 1402402954 537294 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1402402959 173120 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, at least < 1402402996 629734 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense to me, if you have input fields for things that it would be able to deal with strings too < 1402403012 281025 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the mid and length operations operate on entire strings? is there a string concatenate operator? that'd probably be easily enough for turing-completeness < 1402403060 369226 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it only operated on characters, and on fixed length arrays laid out in the 2000 words of data memory or something < 1402403099 519300 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we're not even sure if you have 2000 words < 1402403104 693131 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just 2000 storage thingies < 1402403115 495956 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can hold values of different size < 1402403122 319502 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1402403132 620924 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a line that gets annotated with "Name = First Name + Middle + Last", where the only sensible interpretation I can think of is string concatenation < 1402403144 589011 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that scan includes a variable listing with lots of ALPHA stuff, but I thought that was just a character or something < 1402403148 141066 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: which line number is that? < 1402403158 501304 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :00175 < 1402403164 475685 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: 00062 < 1402403168 54121 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: wow < 1402403189 939060 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it esoteric if it's actually used for banking < 1402403209 517665 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not really" esoteric < 1402403266 573574 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 10193 < 1402403297 100817 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :10193,1902,1912,1922 < 1402403309 263235 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the operators are 2,2,2 < 1402403324 684061 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and operands are 190,191,192 < 1402403326 47098 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1402403340 105634 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 is also addition (for numbers) < 1402403350 966644 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so it encodes multiple operators and operands together in a command? nice < 1402403352 434367 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 190,191,192 are prompts < 1402403404 335478 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does 10193 encode both that this is supposed to be an arithmetic expression thing and the destination location? < 1402403418 228992 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it seems like it just looks at operator_4? < 1402403432 4911 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it says "store to 193" < 1402403434 580756 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1402403447 786423 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1402403449 132164 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it is in [10000,12000] indicates that it is a move operation, AFAIK < 1402403458 780990 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/AFAIK/is my interpretation/ < 1402403466 415036 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1402403507 594894 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :193 is ALPHA 55 NAME < 1402403509 672743 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1402403517 491947 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 193 in 10193 is the target < 1402403646 445743 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the internal programming language has an article on wikipedia, but not the application itself < 1402403700 927176 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: well the application is crap < 1402403752 358376 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: also recall the legend that says lisp has supposed to eventually have a normal input syntax, but the parenthesis stuff was good enough that it remained < 1402403792 518279 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1402403848 480894 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :parerthesis aren't that bady imo < 1402403851 270469 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-y < 1402403947 995898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: sure. and it's just a funny legend. < 1402403963 974595 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1402403970 74308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that the parenthesis had become the most recognizable part < 1402403990 627696 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1402404159 237351 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1402404392 763362 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I searched for BANCStar in http://rosettacode.org/ and http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/ but it seems nobody is programming in it yet :-) < 1402404470 581014 :general_cryptic_!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402404478 420797 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. It'd be nice to submit a program to CGSE once we've got this figured out < 1402404499 557714 :general_cryptic_!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402404579 570619 :general_cryptic_!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402404647 945006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Arithmetic/Integer might be a good start < 1402404730 618960 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402404741 420801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: or http://rosettacode.org/wiki/String_concatenation < 1402404979 473355 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Go to a Function Key" just how are you supposed to branch to keys? < 1402405560 514950 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402406592 555335 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402406804 704662 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: You can also branch to ASCII keys < 1402406813 336888 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that's supposed to mean < 1402406818 471178 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's like GOTO PAGE < 1402406872 312122 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :8500 with M3 = 40XX is apparentely goto ASCII thingy < 1402406889 193667 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Multi-task menu < 1402406897 581377 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe there's some multi-tasking involved ;P < 1402406914 60756 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's a dialog tab for each function key? < 1402407190 655807 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :This C code reminds me of vim's source < 1402407211 294785 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :though this is at least commented < 1402407542 40934 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which C code? < 1402407552 749922 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one of BANCStar LIST? < 1402407762 143525 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1402407798 601132 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're not all that similar, on second thought < 1402408510 476802 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402408536 661811 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if p^x == 1 then p^(x*y) == 1? < 1402408624 621610 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo something that is < 1402408706 384637 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1402408758 209541 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402408915 184425 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Actually Vim's source code is commented good enough (IMHO), it's just the pre-K&R syntax that makes it atrocious. :) < 1402408956 831081 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the globals, and the ifdefs < 1402408983 362230 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the really long functions and source files... < 1402409045 40408 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bram doens't like refactoring. Code has to evolve naturally or something... < 1402409266 245333 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I can't think of any cases where that wouldn't be the case, with real numbers at least < 1402409302 523841 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually < 1402409307 134642 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That only works if y is an intger < 1402409309 299116 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :integer* < 1402409321 310678 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: What if you had (-1)^2 < 1402409356 865672 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then y was 1/2 < 1402409368 20682 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is < 1402409377 837529 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :z^(x*(y^k)) = 1 < 1402409396 667255 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that imply that z^(x*(y^(k+1))) is also 1? < 1402409415 985337 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1402409426 631163 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1402409431 364006 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although empirical evidence suggests so < 1402409457 477198 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it would imply that if z was a positive number < 1402409476 701945 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's modulo < 1402409480 935645 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they are all positive numbers < 1402409486 354423 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1402409505 285872 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's all positive or 0, then yes, it would imply that the other expression is also 1 < 1402409516 557744 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't see why it implies that < 1402409540 578330 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are two cases where z^a = 1 < 1402409549 580517 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either z = 1, or a = 0 < 1402409561 147340 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's if you restrict yourself to non-negative numbers < 1402409622 461530 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is (mod N) < 1402409684 194248 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still holds < 1402409731 585201 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1402409737 25538 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :3^1980 `mod` 15841 is 1 < 1402409751 743040 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is 3^(495*4) `mod` 15841 < 1402409761 75552 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1402409790 977467 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3^(495*8)) `mod` 15841 < 1402409792 979727 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1402409797 394322 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3^(495*16)) `mod` 15841 < 1402409799 841346 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1402409802 979083 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3^(495)) `mod` 15841 < 1402409804 741659 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12802 < 1402409817 984626 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmm < 1402409839 91417 :general_cryptic_!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402409841 260542 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3^(495^2*2)) `mod` 15841 < 1402409843 139511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 218 < 1402409852 609426 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, it seems it doesn't hold < 1402409862 781814 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1402409866 359011 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402409867 523786 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you take the x to be 2 and 495 to be y < 1402409880 442503 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Rand.Next()14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39787&oldid=39758 5* 03Ais523 5* (+435) 10not possible to compile arbitrary BF into it; might be curly-L-complete, depending on the RNG in question < 1402409890 504366 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet there is a simpler example < 1402409902 852627 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it holds for 3^(495*(2^k))) though < 1402409913 217838 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = 495, y = 2 < 1402409916 666396 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :z = 3 < 1402409939 7625 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. once you found a k, so that the term yields 1 < 1402409943 831233 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :increasing k won't change the value < 1402409953 970786 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is because you square it < 1402409957 743641 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1 squared is still 1 < 1402409987 551524 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's from miller-rabin btw < 1402410013 751926 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you found z^(x*(y^k)) is one, you don't have to check any other k < 1402410057 760864 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(y is 2 for the miler-rabin case) < 1402410251 735229 :password2!~password@197.78.173.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402410448 451029 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402410562 627364 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402410717 613472 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1402410752 148279 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^(a*y^(k+1)) is 1 if x^(a*y^k) is 1 < 1402410777 469362 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because x^(a*y^(k+1)) = x^(a*y*y^k) = (x^(a*y^k))^y < 1402410787 608575 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (x^(a*y^k)) = 1 means that 1^y = 1 < 1402410827 354737 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402410855 31336 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Client Quit < 1402411001 410349 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on topic again < 1402411016 675923 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are Data Model Commands o_O < 1402411028 612553 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402411119 783857 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402411175 722918 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1402411829 952449 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Didn't we already show that it's not true mod N < 1402411887 673293 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is true mod N < 1402411903 445464 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true for at least all positive integers < 1402411961 853499 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if x^(a*y^k) == 1 then x^(a*y^(k+1)) is also 1 < 1402412021 816580 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If x is 3, a is 2 and y is 495... < 1402412038 1489 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And N is 15841 < 1402412061 348516 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^(a*y*y^k) = x^(a*y^(k+1)) < 1402412061 589910 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3^(2*495) `mod` 15841 < 1402412063 468316 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 218 < 1402412074 993168 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make that 4, not 2 < 1402412078 377679 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3^(4*495) `mod` 15841 < 1402412080 170514 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1402412083 10369 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3^(4*495^2) `mod` 15841 < 1402412084 931093 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1402412087 480333 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3^(4*495^3) `mod` 15841 < 1402412092 883074 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1 < 1402412097 357116 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3^(4*495^3) `mod` 15841 < 1402412102 614419 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1 < 1402412105 471020 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402412117 252583 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what were we getting up there then? < 1402412130 378593 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^(a*y*y^k) = x^(a*y^(k+1)) = (x^(a*y^k))^y < 1402412136 637319 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402412141 876047 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- potentiation laws < 1402412162 914456 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (x^(a*y^k))^y is 1 if (x^(a*y^k)) is 1 < 1402412166 872809 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 1^y is always 1 < 1402412171 381880 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I was multiplying by 2, not 4 < 1402412174 166125 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why it didn't work < 1402412203 272824 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghci gets stuck on 3^(4*495^3) < 1402412209 641557 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, it is a really big number < 1402412233 538808 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also (p-1)^2 mod p is always 1 < 1402412266 965696 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally (p-r)^2 mod p is r^2 < 1402412276 594598 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't abuse this to modsqrt < 1402412279 147590 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :though < 1402412294 265896 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 2.314751381666169e8 digits < 1402412308 454528 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should probably use modpow :) < 1402412315 566698 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if haskell has such a thing < 1402412316 136970 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably :) < 1402412322 640657 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such thing is built in < 1402412330 473813 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402412331 87588 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Libraries probably have it < 1402412338 152739 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably :) < 1402412453 598769 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's actually a small number < 1402412468 907158 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to what actual numbers you'd use in real world applications < 1402412490 770899 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not in bancstar though < 1402412525 340068 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it looks like you have to give the length of a number in digits < 1402413168 835917 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: 231475138 digits < 1402413194 108095 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remembering that googol only has 100 digits < 1402413748 685529 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402414572 644685 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402415316 471019 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-92-77.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402415416 52143 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-73-82.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402415682 136168 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1402416204 377434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402416331 424468 :password2!~password@197.78.173.137 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402416494 531752 :password2!~password@197.78.173.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402416725 456512 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1402416797 654015 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1402416803 825687 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1402416804 52057 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1402417021 594284 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :googol? < 1402417035 607131 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff. < 1402417039 827 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :googol is a baby number < 1402417081 240031 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 digits isn't really that much < 1402417136 442493 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> log 2 10^100 < 1402417138 119859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num a0) < 1402417138 748098 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity check for ‘e_1210100’ < 1402417138 748336 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (GHC.Num.Num a1, < 1402417138 748427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : GHC.Num.Num a, < 1402417138 748517 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : GHC.Float.Floating (a1 -> a)) < 1402417142 510499 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff < 1402417143 287399 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1402417167 511936 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 10^100 < 1402417169 287676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.377281663205057e52 < 1402417173 525194 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1402417233 323206 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1402417241 374868 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to 4096 bit keys that's probably way larger :D < 1402417271 440906 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 10 2^4096 < 1402417273 127135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0 < 1402417284 208550 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok? < 1402417324 535258 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type logBase < 1402417326 9112 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating a => a -> a -> a < 1402417355 350600 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell < 1402417361 605996 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^4096 is larger than 10^100 < 1402417418 379981 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 10 (2^2096 :: Integer) < 1402417419 719879 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Float.Floating GHC.Integer.Type.Integer) < 1402417419 920579 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘GHC.Float.logBase’ < 1402417426 734266 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 10 (2^2096 :: Double) < 1402417428 199063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Infinity < 1402417436 357030 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (100*(log 10))/log(2) < 1402417438 233386 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 332.19280948873626 < 1402417443 526894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's around 0.303*4096 < 1402417444 698197 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1402417454 479185 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.3034096 < 1402417455 923583 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.3034096 < 1402417461 88945 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.303*4096 < 1402417462 514500 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1241.088 < 1402417469 458310 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a miserly 332 bits < 1402417873 941678 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also depending on how large an ALPHA can be < 1402417885 151655 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could've stored their string constant in one large ALPHA < 1402417898 997625 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly extract the strings they need later on in the code < 1402417910 398134 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that might not be better by that much :D < 1402418028 109340 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeking alpha < 1402418240 917441 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1402418291 551752 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402418341 432673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: No, I think they use the CONSTANT type for string constants, probably? < 1402418537 856212 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1402418889 829679 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although they could store multiple string constants and extract them later; such a thing is done on the first page of C16LNAPP in order to extract only one letter. < 1402418941 425857 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402418958 342243 :password2!~password@197.78.173.137 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402419291 829086 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :with mid$, you mean? < 1402419335 391509 :password2!~password@197.78.173.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402419428 617430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1402419448 127706 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you have a document with what you've figured out so far? < 1402419451 243346 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1402419460 887972 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402419473 852083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I have not written such a thing, but you can try searching these IRC log (which is no longer available on HackEgo, however). < 1402419498 349410 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay < 1402419581 792177 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1402420108 672830 :AndChat|570836!~AndChat57@2600:1012:b02b:a5af:2699:afd3:f905:9cd2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402420333 415498 :micha2718l!~AndChat57@cpe-172-250-98-136.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402420425 428504 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402420596 643054 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1402420627 485708 :micha2718l!~AndChat57@cpe-172-250-98-136.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402420705 924756 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :" what the hell 2^4096 is larger than 10^100" <-- it gets clearer if you consider 2^4096 = 16^1024 > 10^100 < 1402420798 337737 :password2!~password@197.78.173.137 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402420819 665901 :AndChat|570836!~AndChat57@2600:1012:b02b:a5af:2699:afd3:f905:9cd2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402420869 4845 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-73-82.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"exponentials grow pretty fast, huh" < 1402420901 27429 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I can't even calculate 2*13 in my head < 1402420902 258030 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.... < 1402420904 221470 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :) < 1402420912 533821 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402420937 541215 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.116.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg, #esoteric has lambdabot < 1402420945 586279 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, also useful is remembering that 2^10 ~= 10^3 < 1402421072 90636 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't handle numbers well ;) < 1402421091 737659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so i came up with a screwy thought experiment the other day < 1402421116 932760 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose you take a swimming pool and fit an airtight seal over the top of it < 1402421151 568891 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you drill a 1cm wide hole in the top, and to that attach a 20m long, open-ended tube < 1402421207 748393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you then hold that tube straight upright and fill it with water, that tiny bit of extra water (less than 20 litres) will increase the pressure inside the entire swimming pool to 3 atmospheres < 1402421246 527000 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason i can believe this is that the alternatives sound even sillier < 1402421338 92746 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1402421353 344112 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the water falls out of the tube and into the swimming pool, because the pressure inside the swimming pool is less than 3 atmospheres < 1402421369 658247 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, er, no < 1402421378 970073 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the swimming pool's sealed tight over the top, remember < 1402421389 252877 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean the swimming pool's already full of water? < 1402421393 569115 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assume there's no air between the surface of the pool and the seal, too) < 1402421393 770339 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, exactly the same thing happens < 1402421400 515418 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no? < 1402421403 40940 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pressure in the swimming pool increases slightly < 1402421409 603075 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most of the water falls out of the tube < 1402421424 799893 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :into the pool, which increases in pressure to compensate < 1402421434 499557 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually, you end up with a very small amount of water left in the tube < 1402421437 94385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, ais < 1402421440 479071 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :water is incompressible < 1402421446 39134 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, no? < 1402421450 745700 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think water pressure /is/? < 1402421455 228961 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's caused by the compression of wate < 1402421456 766308 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*water < 1402421468 712168 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how big is your pool? < 1402421468 924771 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you assume that a) water pressure exists, and b) water is incompressible, that explains why you're getting silly results < 1402421506 369138 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or put it another way: assume I have two completely sealed boxes of water, one at 1 atmosphere of pressure, the other at 3 atmospheres of pressure < 1402421510 494924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no seriously, the pressure might be caused by compression but that compression is negligible in terms of volume < 1402421524 700788 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the difference between the boxes that determines the difference in pressure? < 1402421530 740974 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer: one has more water molecules than the other < 1402421535 985568 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why when you're scuba diving you never get crushed, your body's largely made of incompressible water < 1402421541 628579 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, ais, that's completely wrong < 1402421561 264735 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Properties_of_water#Compressibility < 1402421564 76754 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you don't get crushed because the water inside your body increases in pressure to match the water outside < 1402421573 373985 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you take a serious pool, 25*20*3m, then if I haven't messed up my calculations you'll need something like 150 liters of water to compensate for 200kPa of extra pressure. < 1402421580 241828 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :which by your logic would require that it should be compressible < 1402421589 54113 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, *that it should be compressed < 1402421611 577590 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: your link doesn't contradict what I or int-e are saying < 1402421626 486673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The low compressibility of non-gases, and of water in particular, leads to their often being assumed as incompressible. The low compressibility of water means that even in the deep oceans at 4 km depth, where pressures are 40 MPa, there is only a 1.8% decrease in volume." < 1402421645 850978 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that water compressibility is low means that the pressure will increase quite rapidly as you put more water into the swimming pool < 1402421647 536242 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4km depth is ~400 atmospheres, for reference) < 1402421663 252749 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it's only a very small extra proportion, like in your experiment < 1402421668 25429 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't have that much extra to increase < 1402421690 17579 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, it's possible btw that i'm misinterpreting the formula for pressure in a static fluid < 1402421692 983334 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(150l, of course, is ridculously small compared to the 1.5 million liters that the pool contains) < 1402421727 731263 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, I guess if you "fill the tube with water" < 1402421739 825003 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that involves adding enough water into the tube to increase the pressure of the swimming pool to 3atm < 1402421752 580290 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will be more than the capacity of the tube, but not by all that much because water compresses poorly < 1402421758 405764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, specifically, the density * gravitational field strength * depth formula < 1402421798 138078 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's just for calculating the pressure. if you turn it into a proper intregral it's even true for compressible fluids < 1402421814 524775 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i know < 1402421877 137349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my reasoning is that because it's 20m from the pool to the surface of the water (in the tube), the pressure in the pool is the same as if the entire pool were 20m deep < 1402421889 148513 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's just that you're multiplying something ridiculously small (compressibility of water) by something ridiculously large (the surface area of the pool divided by that of the hole and cylinder above) < 1402421909 384969 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, that's true < 1402421928 231816 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you just add enough water to fill the tube, the tube won't be full. < 1402421948 79242 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you keep pouring water in until the tube is full, then you will have 3atm of pressure at the bottom of the pool < 1402421948 695869 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the water in the pool is compressed just a litte. < 1402421963 368678 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1402421966 384368 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: at the top actually :) < 1402421981 747118 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound unreasonable actually < 1402421984 37380 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh. depending on how you hold the tube.) < 1402421997 572476 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: err, of the top of the pool itself, yeah < 1402422003 197829 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pressure at the top of the tube is 1atm, obviously < 1402422199 225258 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I'm reading some of the rest of the article Phantom_Hoover linked to < 1402422209 131109 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thought "huh, I'd never wondered before today whether ice conducted electricity" < 1402422390 497019 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1402422414 664547 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When typing an address on an envelope, is it supposed to be Pica or Elite? < 1402422518 341114 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1402422552 415034 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402422557 576806 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: whichever one fits 10 characters to the inch, IIRC < 1402422560 331520 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget which is which < 1402422570 996937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1402422578 541217 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wider one, that is < 1402422609 268828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instructions say Pica is ten character per inch < 1402422643 175324 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, Elite must be 12 per inch < 1402422644 232585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess int-e's explanation is correct < 1402422655 976078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though... idk, if you used a less compressible fluid...) < 1402422729 101159 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: this is like the thought experiment of a perfectly inelastic floor < 1402422760 136980 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes anything placed on it much more fragile, as a result < 1402422796 877038 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just a couple orders of magnitude less! < 1402422831 672516 :AndChat|570836!~AndChat57@2600:1012:b026:2430:665e:7e4f:753b:e23a JOIN :#esoteric < 1402422837 654141 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't absorb impact of stuff? < 1402422896 744275 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: yep < 1402422897 596827 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402422921 60138 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ofc, it's impossible to place a perfectly inelastic object on a perfectly inelastic floor unless you slow it down to a speed of exactly 0 as it touches < 1402422925 383389 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, one or the other mustb reak < 1402422930 453995 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*break < 1402422936 792157 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then go on breaking, and go on breaking, ad infinitum < 1402422955 784690 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until they end up as dust so fine any elasticity properties become meaningless < 1402422962 556630 :micha2718l!~AndChat57@cpe-172-250-98-136.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402422969 627868 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno though, this isn't that extreme < 1402423008 65046 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did run through the calculations, but with a small pool and a more incompressible fluid you could still recreate the desired effect < 1402423048 771609 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just hire a swimming pool and find out? < 1402423062 435962 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the 'airtight seal over the pool' part < 1402423064 577229 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the hard part is finding a seal for the top which can withstand 3atm of pressure) < 1402423107 585150 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/reveal.rb?easy+regexp/irori_1173885553&hs i love haskell code like this am i bad < 1402423142 851744 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1402423148 335729 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402423152 574056 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't think to make you love Haskell code like whatever make you bad < 1402423175 470676 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that third line defining an operator #? < 1402423180 929105 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1402423184 169213 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, in OCaml, you have to use prefix notation to define an operator < 1402423185 376448 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones below it define % < 1402423282 519671 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 NICK :Bicyclidine < 1402423311 529802 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1402423311 730288 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1402423338 192520 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god: the m -> (%) -> (#) -> m mutual recursion. it's so good < 1402423377 463390 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what single ascii chars are available as operators if you have just Prelude loaded? < 1402423378 558196 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402423402 201463 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402423449 521804 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know % ? and # are popular in code golf, that i know of < 1402423486 534027 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i guess & is available. because that's a lens thing < 1402423496 369790 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(imagines Lens golf, shudders) < 1402423529 418356 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1402423576 799115 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1402423608 587337 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402423614 404343 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2 + 2 = 5 in 2 + 2 < 1402423616 318313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1402423648 636643 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's (%), (?), (#), (&), (!) < 1402423649 200453 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2 + 2 = 5 in 1 + 1 < 1402423650 797447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: :3:5-13: Non-exhaustive patterns in function + < 1402423707 769025 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wonderful unicode punctuation, which anagol, however, counts as multiple bytes < 1402423727 991463 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402423777 760101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: Which it should, but maybe it can still help if you use the high codepoint symbols for less used ones < 1402423788 912517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Anagol also uses binary formats too) < 1402423789 990391 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (☃) = (+) in 2 ☃ 2 < 1402423791 804734 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1402423910 517662 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402424063 568475 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it uses UTF-8, though, you're wasting bytes by using non-ASCII characters < 1402424170 797576 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mrnkmocbplixplbh JOIN :#esoteric < 1402424179 888471 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> generalCategory '☃' < 1402424181 690813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : OtherSymbol < 1402425110 100571 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:GermanyBoy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39788&oldid=39738 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+449) 10 < 1402425174 377023 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D17B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1402425174 577891 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1402425338 266800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Yes, that is it. But it is what I am saying, one characters with more than seven bits, will use more bytes to encode using UTF-8 so you would use those for less often codes. < 1402425392 701696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are using a programming language/interpreter/compiler that doesn't require UTF-8, then you can do a lot more too, since you are not limited to UTF-8 encoding and can therefore shorten some things. < 1402425475 753850 :AndChat|570836!~AndChat57@2600:1012:b026:2430:665e:7e4f:753b:e23a QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402425551 307388 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1402425606 383517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had idea about writing a Japanese-style manga using some help (although I probably never would do so, actually). It is called "Pokemon Card", and in it Professor Oak invents Pokemon Card, and the pokemons can talk (including the ones pictured on the cards) too, and many strange thing like you find in Akagi too. < 1402425619 297147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would such a things interest you at all? I am just curious. < 1402425685 468342 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( update S [True,"foo",Z] < 1402425685 668934 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04[04True04, 04"foo"04, 04104] : 12HVect 04[12Bool04, 12String04, 12Nat04] < 1402425692 980608 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( update not [True,"foo",Z] < 1402425693 180679 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04[04False04, 04"foo"04, 04004] : 12HVect 04[12Bool04, 12String04, 12Nat04] < 1402425721 241555 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( update (++ "bar") [True,"foo",Z] < 1402425721 441659 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04[04True04, 04"foobar"04, 04004] : 12HVect 04[12Bool04, 12String04, 12Nat04] < 1402425750 713907 :micha2718l!~AndChat57@172.sub-174-240-133.myvzw.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402425860 878490 :micha2718l!~AndChat57@172.sub-174-240-133.myvzw.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1402425966 876431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402426247 724710 :_1_alexandro2!~19370056@213.186.180.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402426251 768099 :_1_alexandro2!~19370056@213.186.180.81 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1402426294 376748 :_1_alexandro2!~19370056@213.186.180.81 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402426718 365213 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-73-82.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402426804 503002 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402426814 131090 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402426848 411106 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-88-3.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402427229 484100 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402427427 246379 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1402427546 571169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define __NR_oldolduname 59 < 1402427767 290996 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's your old old name? < 1402427767 527546 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: they decided not to waste any brain cells storing obscure unix silliness). < 1402427782 644612 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: p. good decision < 1402427783 69028 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: now i started that mud as roleplayer make one cringe? back in seattle, and hang around here < 1402427988 828749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define __NR_fcntl64 221 < 1402427989 28768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* 223 is unused */ < 1402427989 28930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define __NR_gettid 224 < 1402428017 452776 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :222 is not unused, it's just [REDACTED] < 1402428028 188416 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you having as much fun with syscall.h as I was with the Perl headers? < 1402428058 272384 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402428149 852787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just looking through it, but it turns out it has all sorts of jams. < 1402428158 103474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the Perl headers? < 1402428174 300518 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're massively inconsistent in capitalization style < 1402428188 842654 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have some great names, too < 1402428191 623159 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<+ais523_> also, so far, my favourite macro name inside the Perl core is "SV_CHECK_THINKFIRST_COW_DROP" < 1402428198 979217 :Tod-Autojoined2!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402428199 314535 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402428215 126600 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote COW_DROP < 1402428215 661387 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1402428281 982702 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402428378 130689 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402428539 389673 :Tod-Autojoined2!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1402428570 209833 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402428721 673706 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lii14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39789 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+5210) 10Created page with "'''Lii''' is a declarative object-oriented language created by [[User:GermanyBoy]] in 2014. It is named after a fictional 31st century tea company Lii Tea (from a SciFi book, ..." < 1402428782 261379 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:GermanyBoy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39790&oldid=39788 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+45) 10/* Summer languages 2014 */ Lii < 1402428819 479460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39791&oldid=39784 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+10) 10/* L */ < 1402428883 33140 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, the reason that macro's required is almost as silly as the name < 1402428949 544030 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402429367 990548 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't even ask the inevitable question < 1402429411 133916 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the deal w/ airline food < 1402429440 413824 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1402429694 480648 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: whatever the deal, it's no big deal < 1402430557 354887 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1402430746 152446 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything in math.h is deterministic, right? i'm losing my mind here < 1402430761 156646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402430790 556392 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it's mostly just undefined behavior < 1402431299 899837 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC math.h might have some uncertainty in the last bit or somesuch < 1402431319 200355 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they can't guarantee precision on all the bits for all special functions < 1402431325 273368 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so it might depend on the implementation < 1402431382 491400 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the basic functions have a precision that is guaranteed to be deterministic < 1402431433 280362 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402431450 666386 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm getting results divergent by a multiple of 10^280 or so, is the thing < 1402431474 391948 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well what's 10^280, really < 1402431478 785987 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barely a thing < 1402431499 198764 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i can no longer reproduce the nondeterminism, so, thinking my computer's haunted or such < 1402431523 864812 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gods of computers are smiling on you < 1402431558 461250 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it stopped nondtermining on the results with 2800 dB < 1402431607 645332 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1024/log 10 * log 2 < 1402431609 746905 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 308.2547155599167 < 1402431645 64219 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if math.h follows IEEE (which may or may not be required by C), then I think most operations are defined to give the exact result according to some rules < 1402431762 654500 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1402431762 855066 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some stuff might not have such requirements? < 1402431768 741020 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? math < 1402431769 215509 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :math? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1402431948 926857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i recall from previous discussion that there are some operations where it is not known how to calculate the perfectly rounded result, so either of the neighboring closest numbers is accepted. < 1402431973 634885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*efficiently calculate < 1402432029 170653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trigonometry and stuff, iirc < 1402432069 548695 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas IEEE does not define the "f(n) if machine n halts, otherwise zero" operation < 1402432194 365658 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pi14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39792&oldid=39717 5* 0363.251.123.2 5* (+48) 10add link to IDEOne copy < 1402432228 972519 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(n) = 1 < 1402432241 707739 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1402432267 364792 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(n) = 0 is easier to handle < 1402432399 418539 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402432401 295502 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402432401 625706 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402432409 777988 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1402432414 377634 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1402432420 552307 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1402432590 415232 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402432610 362658 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pi14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39793&oldid=39792 5* 0363.251.123.2 5* (+0) 10is [[:Category:Brainfuck equivalents]] < 1402432758 636544 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1402432820 728477 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de PART :#esoteric < 1402432846 521626 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is Photo Library? < 1402432997 517491 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :those Phising mails get more confusing < 1402433020 852942 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not even sure whether it's a serious phishing mail or a serious extortion mail or a serious joke < 1402433055 182432 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it' doesn't even say which website it tries to phish < 1402433084 604274 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :try replying ;) < 1402433279 996731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: did someone point out yet that p^(x*y) == (p^x)^y ? < 1402433290 144443 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1402433296 172213 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1402433296 948916 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1402433299 487900 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no < 1402433302 152484 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already knew that < 1402433322 82638 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, freefall has a stand-up comedian :) < 1402433338 476662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then obviously if p^x is 1, so is p^(x*y) < 1402433347 940895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and this all works mod N) < 1402433381 659036 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1^(0/0) < 1402433383 804889 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Real.Integral b0) < 1402433384 43089 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘GHC.Real.^’ < 1402433384 43235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (GHC.Num.Num a) < 1402433384 43325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : bound by the inferred type of it :: GHC.Num.Num a => a at Top level < 1402433384 43413 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘b0’ is ambiguous < 1402433386 793220 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1**(0/0) < 1402433388 512660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0 < 1402433405 155326 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. the tough part was figuring out that you can rewrite a^(x*y^(k+1)) as a^(x*(y^k)*y) < 1402433429 206897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish ~ < 1402433467 378601 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not very good at match) < 1402433471 667563 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :math < 1402433476 919230 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also not very good at spelling < 1402433484 26798 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I can write 120 WPM < 1402433512 828208 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 0 W P M. < 1402433513 864447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finedish < 1402433524 460891 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't so hard :P < 1402433531 325509 :Sorella_!~queen@201.80.215.200 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402433535 471229 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I overuse those smileys, don't I. < 1402433541 172499 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, :P < 1402433548 593103 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I went to Alton Towers today < 1402433550 860725 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was fun < 1402433558 769365 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 words per minute feels really fast < 1402433567 940400 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but compared to the guys who can write 200 WPM it's slow as hell < 1402433578 471165 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing as the average internet user is somewhere around 60 WPM < 1402433587 958960 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 120^2/200 -- hell, in words per minute < 1402433589 856872 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 72.0 < 1402433602 64382 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I don't really beleive but that's what does websites say < 1402433608 712610 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :60 WPM is terribly slow < 1402433611 425473 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do that one handed < 1402433641 604871 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402433644 977505 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn to touch-type. I've been thinking that for 15 years :) < 1402433658 365385 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :on touchscreen keyboards? < 1402433665 17031 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402433666 339315 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402433667 90126 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402433667 984311 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402433668 839065 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402433670 778885 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the meantime I tend to type faster than I think. < 1402433687 24455 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to write phonetically < 1402433687 752720 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: no, on normal mechanical ones < 1402433692 860535 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, yeah, same < 1402433703 592809 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have no real reason to learn touch typing, except perhaps to get slightly more time left over for thinking < 1402433707 525050 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402433709 228688 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost wrote "advantage" instead of "about it" a few minutes ago < 1402433730 140631 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's touch-type then? < 1402433744 80834 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be more (or less) ergonomic to do touch typing than ad-hoc typing though < 1402433747 104414 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :typing with most fingers resting on the home row < 1402433765 302131 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"d) is typing without using the sense of sight to find the keys." < 1402433782 177890 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike hunt-and-peck typing where the hands wander all over the keyboard. < 1402433793 964779 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(often but not always at horrible speed) < 1402433796 220743 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :home row is a stupid concept I think < 1402433814 838222 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can ask the fastest typer in the world and he'll say the same thing < 1402433831 869196 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a guy? < 1402433832 164496 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :your hands are supposed to wander all over the place < 1402433850 138631 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: I don't really know if he's officially the fastest < 1402433853 508548 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but his > 200WPM < 1402433855 381765 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*he's < 1402433880 361138 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way I type is an extension of hunt-and-peck I think < 1402433884 44435 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use the home row < 1402433891 443348 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks banks < 1402433892 394888 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, banks. Thanks. < 1402433895 992937 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fingers wander all over the place when necessary < 1402433904 920700 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can type without looking at the keyboard of course < 1402433929 145248 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is, that you can use your index finger < 1402433939 807367 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :close your eyes, move the index finger to your nose < 1402433951 541276 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then somebody says a key and you can press that key with your index finger < 1402433956 44216 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :without looking < 1402433962 357184 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: could you check whether you mean WPM or CPM please? < 1402433968 287031 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's CPM? < 1402433975 488918 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :characters per second < 1402434008 310059 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's WPM < 1402434011 540931 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :per minute even < 1402434034 337612 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a word is defined as 5 characters < 1402434040 373100 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 120*5 < 1402434042 113726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 600 < 1402434049 55234 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 600 characters per minute < 1402434058 492037 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not counting spaces I think < 1402434069 429464 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 600/60 < 1402434071 536612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10.0 < 1402434078 75107 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 10 characters per second < 1402434126 339236 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402434149 309868 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :To type that fast you memorize word patterns and just spill them out very fast < 1402434155 322899 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "twitching" your finger < 1402434179 437476 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like contest, content, sentence can be written incredibly fast < 1402434183 411030 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402434183 611384 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402434218 278744 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :other words like quickly are harder for me to type < 1402434230 482718 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :omnious < 1402434234 169051 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly due to two vowels in a row < 1402434257 60507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(including a free typo!) < 1402434258 980808 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only use my left index finger to type < 1402434274 589832 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I can't write words with two or more vowels in a row fast < 1402434285 278174 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(left index finger to type vowels) < 1402434318 513190 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvorak? < 1402434329 382713 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also obviously I can't keep up 120 WPM for more than two minutes :D < 1402434331 253002 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yep < 1402434435 684572 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can type on it better because my left hand is clumsy < 1402434452 243848 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dvorak enables me to type vowels with my left hand and rest I can write with my very nimble right hand < 1402434478 36834 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my pinky finger are somewhat "trigger fingerish" < 1402434486 106079 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I dont' really use them to type too < 1402434495 217925 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which breaks the whole home row system anyway < 1402434509 101676 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402434535 354113 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402434560 50081 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: are you using qwerty? < 1402434572 424967 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402434594 971016 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still waiting for text to speech programming < 1402434609 114529 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will probably bring other programming languages to live < 1402434641 729241 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying int space main paranthesis right int space argc comma char asteriks asteriks ... is tedious < 1402434665 991604 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1402434668 188719 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's speech to text < 1402434674 661348 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I'm using a qwerty layout keyboard < 1402434676 109711 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPUTER, PLOT A COURSE TO THE B NEBULA < 1402434734 320904 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is already slightly odd in Austria) < 1402434751 259704 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're an ostritch? < 1402434772 626301 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :austrian < 1402434798 275018 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm from Germany originally. Close enough. < 1402434803 649099 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1402434811 173930 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dann kannst du ja Deutsch :) < 1402434820 270942 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nie und nimmer. < 1402434839 877704 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "ostrich" actually... < 1402434856 315943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case I use English all the time. < 1402434866 548664 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at home too? < 1402434881 43381 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being single, yes, certainly. < 1402434884 722779 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1402434909 288033 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reading english books, being on english speaking IRC channels, reading... well, all sorts of computer related stuff) < 1402434915 643548 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah me too < 1402434930 291762 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading english books, watching tv series in english, movies in english < 1402434939 92343 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually think in english < 1402434944 885084 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :dreams too sometimes < 1402434956 565902 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: g2g < 1402434962 592551 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by thinking I mean those monologues you do in your brain < 1402434975 572101 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what you mean < 1402435110 675078 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402435127 166808 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only use it "written" though < 1402435134 82578 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one to "talk" to < 1402435193 255255 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working in academia, and a few of my colleagues don't even speak german. < 1402435340 997006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :schrecklich < 1402435383 356840 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugloubli < 1402435445 272220 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :unmglisch < 1402435558 410979 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402435767 409836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402436542 559206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402437668 276869 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402437787 129370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402438012 279163 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402438037 103017 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Client Quit < 1402439210 24835 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1402439513 530062 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1402439694 205330 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402440208 608585 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402441501 546683 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402441514 731226 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402441755 612569 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1402442216 354019 :Sorella_!~queen@201.80.215.200 NICK :Sorella < 1402442225 676890 :Sorella!~queen@201.80.215.200 QUIT :Changing host < 1402442225 876617 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1402443040 434325 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-88-3.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402443098 394481 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402443145 633471 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-81-196.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402443895 42322 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402443951 298566 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402444392 262605 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402444576 287593 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402444792 174902 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection