< 1402445858 539012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402447247 696561 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402447991 432279 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402448207 119436 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402448582 431981 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402448929 364418 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit in shock about this elixir-lang.org unit testing example < 1402448949 424248 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a testing DSL not written in weird pseudoenglish! < 1402451074 989021 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402454435 234208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a table to compare different online quiz systems. There are some details I have not been able to determine. Do you know? Furthermore, maybe I can also add more rows/columns based on your requests/investigations, too? < 1402454913 913514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See gopher://zzo38computer.org/0textfile/miscellaneous/onlinequiz.txt or http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/onlinequiz.txt for more information please. < 1402454921 655497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of any that I have missed? < 1402455139 732595 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Windows App store does not have any apps that support gopher < 1402455384 345227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then don't use the Windows App store. Or, download the file over HTTP. (Or, both!) < 1402455609 161363 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1402455677 550991 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-81-196.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402455782 411071 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402456596 963407 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402456646 266438 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402457145 606387 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1402457299 470300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which online quiz system have you used at all? < 1402457372 922438 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help i keep calling spiderman superman < 1402457466 167142 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure i started typing superman first even in that line < 1402457978 354152 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help im addicted to stacksort < 1402458010 130742 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get hype sgeo < 1402458137 728462 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help im addicted to starting statements with help < 1402458181 949244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think I used Internet Quiz Engine once. < 1402458223 528560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: whoa, https://gist.github.com/kmcallister/5342238 < 1402458423 285653 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You have used? Have you used others, and whether or not, what is your opinion of such things please? < 1402458437 486205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember whether I used it. < 1402458457 908743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, you only *thought* you used it... < 1402458462 745882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it? < 1402458484 511588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what is your opinion of that chart, then? < 1402458523 805231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it running on your gopher server? < 1402458553 136752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet Quiz Engine is running on my gopher server. < 1402458563 209610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I don't have a gopher client here. < 1402458607 84697 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write one if you want; is not too difficult to do. You can read the chart downloaded from HTTP or gopher; it is available on both. < 1402458639 613085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And simply downloading a file from gopher is pretty easy; to pipe "echo" into "nc" and then piping or redirecting the output of that, will work just fine.) < 1402458700 360237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, to download that chart over gopher, connect to port 70 of my computer, and then send "textfile/miscellaneous/onlinequiz.txt" (without the quotation marks) and a carriage return and line feed. The response is entirely the file; there is no header. < 1402458799 101583 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402458839 696150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I just send a line feed? < 1402458893 535832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own server will accept that, although to be standards-compliant you should use both. < 1402458911 942116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Other servers are not guaranteed to accept it.) < 1402458921 464716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although they probably do anyways.) < 1402459364 417080 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402459502 803575 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds almost like HTTP 0.9 < 1402459533 614577 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which iirc causes security problems for the web in its mere existence somehow. I forget how though < 1402459563 63151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's mentioned in _The Tangled Web_ < 1402459564 541281 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it lack of content-type header? < 1402459586 190349 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lcamtuf is smart < 1402459588 849960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP 0.9 does not cause security problems by itself, but in combination with other things, it is capable of doing so. < 1402459590 769426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make somebody go to http://whatever:25 and it'll try to interpret the SMTP server's response as HTML < 1402459603 850648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes you can manage to get javascript in there somehow < 1402459610 300073 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh right < 1402459614 720742 :general_cryptic!~general_c@CPE-124-186-180-178.lns6.woo.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402459625 521424 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also if you get javascript in :25 thats a diff origin than :80 < 1402459629 660238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1402459632 851486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what all is going on here < 1402459637 41104 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is for cookies < 1402459637 930885 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That isn't really much of a security issue, *as long as cookies specify the port number too* < 1402459639 284736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think cookies have different rules than other origin stuff < 1402459641 467688 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is for XMLHttpRequest < 1402459642 701307 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all completely fucked basically < 1402459649 220135 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why fuck cookies < 1402459653 841717 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe not on all versions of IE.. i know ie has some weird things with origins sometimes < 1402459662 609063 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie. I believe localhost is one origin, no matter what port, in IE < 1402459688 474415 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: you need to send P3P headers to do cross-origin domain cookie stuff, I ... think. Which may make IE more secure than Chrome/Firefox in some circumstances. < 1402459690 728867 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you dont use any "ambient credentials" lots of web problems go away < 1402459694 439740 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so do lots of web solutions :) < 1402459697 374954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, full HTTP clients shouldn't use headerless requests/responses; only lightweight clients should do so. < 1402459714 364107 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: but localhost:80 and localhost:25 are not cross-origin < 1402459738 59993 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in IE) < 1402459819 413428 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned a new web thing today.. "" tag.. not closeable.. "deprecated" and unsupported, but works on all the big browsers < 1402459821 976700 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Using SSH for interactive service and authentication and security, causes much better security. One possible security issue would then be escape codes to change key bindings, although that can be fixed really easily. Another possible security issue would then be trusted X forwarding, but you can just disable trusted X forwarding. < 1402459830 565633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: I have used <plaintext> actually < 1402459833 284128 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only thing I found so far that didnt honor it properly was lynx) < 1402459838 379368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I knew it about a lot < 1402459875 770374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: yeah, it's in the HTML5 Living Standard: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/tokenization.html#plaintext-state < 1402459878 808712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Security issues between servers don't exist with SSH. < 1402459883 192061 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there old HTML stuff othat also still exists? < 1402459891 363041 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that input thing that took over the browser? < 1402459898 697461 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in fairness if you're going to compare apples to apples, you should prob compare ssh to using client certs in https < 1402459901 24145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which specifies exact handling of a lot of erroneous markup that is officially deprecated and unsupported and wrong < 1402459916 320111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is currently implementing the html5 syntax standard...
< 1402459919 217727 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not took over. But it was one input field a document < 1402459930 664951 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, its in html5 standard? MDN said its "deprecated" since "html 2.0" < 1402459938 744606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1402459943 932257 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mdn wrong.. go figger < 1402459949 225845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is < 1402459951 220641 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the info, i didnt know < 1402459961 885319 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point of HTML5 is to provide precise error handling behavior for all kinds of bad deprecated wrong things < 1402459964 226100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: I know HTTPS supports certificates, but there is still HTML and HTTP and stuff to deal with!!! Also, the authentication in HTTPS isn't quite best anyways < 1402459976 552357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one part of the spec that says what constitutes "correct" HTML and another part which says how browsers have to handle incorrect HTML < 1402459988 579425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But about <plaintext>, you could use XML to avoid such issue? < 1402459989 132166 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how is the auth in https unlike the auth in ssh? < 1402459996 126895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can feed poorly written geocities HTML from 1995 into a modern HTML5 parser and get as plausible a "correct" result as any < 1402459999 815041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: It is a subset, I think. < 1402460010 728710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, not quite. < 1402460032 558282 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, I believe using client certs (and properly verifying both client and server certs) is pretty good auth in https < 1402460033 133109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTPS supports HTTP authentication as well as its own, but SSH authentication supports more secure methods than just simple passwords. < 1402460033 511454 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you feed it into a HTML5 /validator/ it will scream bloody murder < 1402460041 279790 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ISINDEX> < 1402460046 233289 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https isnt passwords, its certificate-based < 1402460048 792307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also use public/private key pairs, and that stuff < 1402460049 195546 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does <ISINDEX> exist in HTML5? < 1402460065 201199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: You still need a password to log in, though, even though a certificate is used. < 1402460087 507004 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily. a server could accept a client certificate as authentication without requiring a password < 1402460112 516151 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they often dont solely because they arent implemented at the same layers (ie. some apps dont "know"that client certs are being used, and so require their own auth layer) < 1402460122 671142 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would also be the case when tunneling http over ssh < 1402460141 584614 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: I didn't know about client certificate, although yes I can see the problem. < 1402460142 400761 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, i remember isindex < 1402460154 405998 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the solution is *don't* tunnel HTTP over SSH; tunnel the application directly. < 1402460158 570570 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.the-pope.com/isin.shtml < 1402460158 770116 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wikipedia says it was invalid in 4 strict, i don't know how that transfers to 5 < 1402460211 752783 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my favorite little bit of the historical cruft is how <u> and <i> are retrofitted into the whole presentation/content whatever distinction < 1402460230 899955 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think <nextid> was for use by some HTML generator? < 1402460308 109631 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This element served to enable the NeXT web designing tool to generate automatic NAME labels for its anchors" < 1402460327 870353 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is also probably one of the least understood of all of the early HTML elements, being poorly documented, not explained in any depth anywhere, and those who obviously understood how it worked couldn't be bothered to explain it to the rest of us." < 1402460338 19717 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NeXT had web tools, huh < 1402460348 860369 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw did everyone hear that xanadu has a working demo now. < 1402460351 267645 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.the-pope.com/nextid.html < 1402460359 840089 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is the pope anyway? < 1402460369 540605 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :francis i, i think < 1402460370 976895 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: isnt <blink> the best historic tag? < 1402460395 547376 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ok the top of the site looks like alt-catholics and they're nutso. < 1402460433 532422 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: blink wasn't even standard!! inferior. < 1402460446 475169 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"standards" heh.. < 1402460452 538036 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the web was never very compliant :) < 1402460468 635251 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the rest of the site was apparently built using legacy HTML < 1402460471 173338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML/HTTPS is just a big mess in these times. < 1402460471 468783 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :u and i are funny because they tried to hammer them out back in 4 but then they decided they, like, totally had semantic meaning, man < 1402460472 161020 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wonder the interest < 1402460472 511458 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.the-pope.com/cgi/topical.pl < 1402460506 321015 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an alt-catholic church near me that i found out about because splc classed them as a hate group, so like, yeah < 1402460511 982650 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt <b> pretty much formatting too? < 1402460517 879785 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1402460535 827016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What is an "alt-catholic church" and how is it hate groups too? < 1402460553 612325 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :html is in generall pretty lame. < 1402460570 910315 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did... did hypertext not exist in the earliest versionss of hypertext markup language? < 1402460571 240638 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my incorrect term for catholics who reject various modern catholic rules, most usually the Vatican II conference thingie, so they're out of communion < 1402460580 186764 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not understand why these words are not hypertext < 1402460580 711092 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ages ago back in college the cs dept guys would write html with a preprocessor that was very much tex-like. macros and similar syntax < 1402460582 417845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: O, OK. < 1402460584 531320 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better than html :) < 1402460600 420239 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{b this is bold} or something like that < 1402460611 19382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1402460622 612548 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most importantly though -- supported macros < 1402460625 626896 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, the pope, why? < 1402460629 577024 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why html doesnt do macros is beyond me < 1402460632 828232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are security issues, very complicated implementation-related stuff, and so much confusions, even problem with different kind of user interfaces you need separate files for each one, etc. < 1402460689 413552 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gopher doesn't have any of these problems (although it doesn't have security either, but it doesn't really need it; if you want it anyways you can tunnel it over SSH). For applications with authentication and interactivity and so on, SSH should be used. < 1402460694 436093 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the usual term is "traditionalist" < 1402460720 492307 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka "luddite" < 1402460735 791258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gopher is suitable such as well for desktop, touch-screen, even scantron form, all without needing separate file on the server for each one. < 1402460745 60954 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for hate group, i looked at their website, it had stuff about how they'd throw you out if you were a woman wearing pants or something so i stopped < 1402460785 186551 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of like the plan9/acme style of "hypertext" more than the html style. < 1402460797 81230 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xanadu maaaaan < 1402460806 183479 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least it seems more promising.. html has really been explored a lot more fully < 1402460833 342309 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically you write rules that say how text is to be interpretted, and those rules apply automatically to the text, without explicit markup < 1402460853 839818 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for example if there's an "http://www.foo.com/bar" it knows "thats an url for a web page, use the browser" < 1402460857 661549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to use plain text documents for a lot of things; it mean you can download and view file just fine even without web-browser software. < 1402460866 552711 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think hypertext should work as bush originally envisioned it. microfilm. < 1402460867 940201 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if there's a "/file/path:lineno" it knows "thats a file location, use an editor" < 1402460884 197758 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you dont like the linking rules, you tweak them to suit your needs < 1402460884 397377 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... url schema? < 1402460887 615145 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1402460933 572918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you think of plan9? < 1402460940 317699 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like your kind of thing < 1402460953 430094 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.the-pope.com/lostHTML.htm < 1402460960 858596 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, this person knows of HTML 5.0 < 1402461014 404354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't know much about, but I think it has some good ideas involved certainly. The Plan9 file protocol also would be suitable for example, to connect to hard disks and file servers and stuff using a TCP/IP protocol, whether or not the device natively uses such thing. < 1402461020 642374 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway in plan9 its the "plumber" that does this, and it has support integrated into the acme environment (among other places). docs are here http://swtch.com/plan9port/man/man4/plumber.html < 1402461070 837140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan9 is not a bad design. < 1402461092 98649 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are these <hp0> things? < 1402461102 673946 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tags of the devil < 1402461105 380547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: qemu lets you share a directory on the host as a 9p filesystem mounted by the guest < 1402461134 580256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, that is good idea too < 1402461140 454267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might be one of the main uses of 9p anymore < 1402461157 777370 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"However, protest from the Joe Sixpack programmers" < 1402461181 497121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: line numbers are good, I have a small script which lets me write "vim foo.rs:1234" and it will open foo.rs and jump to line 1234 < 1402461192 892030 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah i have a script like that too :) < 1402461196 579231 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1402461202 118774 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still nicer in plan9 just clickign on it < 1402461207 527205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exists in the platonic realm of shell scripts < 1402461219 687895 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also plan9's supports filename:5-10 and filename:/main/ and other goodies < 1402461259 976935 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think 9p is also used by some window manager or other, too (not to mention plan9ports, which is a plan9-like mini environment on modern unix) < 1402461301 730789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use multi mouse button for other functions, for example left to copy, middle to paste, right to activate, might be one way. < 1402461315 148875 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does filename:/main/ mean? < 1402461322 113998 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: open file, search regex < 1402461327 700672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1402461328 616378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1402461354 277287 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember i thought up a system GUI once that was basically chrome < 1402461357 388165 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget if chromebooks do it < 1402461368 495304 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.the-pope.com/sgmlcraz.html < 1402461370 132318 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cos i had my computer set up to never have sub-screen windows. < 1402461373 755625 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nifty thing of having the ability to clikc that, you just put /* see main.c:/main/ */ in your src and now yoru src's have xref hyperlinks < 1402461406 662930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i used to have a windows 98SE install where i told it to launch quake 3 instead of explorer.exe < 1402461409 867136 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :p9 man pages are like that too, you just click on man pages to go to other man pages, or to go straight to the srcs < 1402461410 940022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boot2quake3 < 1402461415 174115 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1402461421 603488 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've probably seen the sysadmin-through-doom thing < 1402461425 872424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Yes, I can see that can nicely too < 1402461426 672299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1402461427 444026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :psdoom < 1402461432 242939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoyed that a lot as a kid :) < 1402461432 442474 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good stuff < 1402461433 126537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of good things google code search is so good < 1402461441 903320 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could prob do that in yyour editor if its html based, but you'dhave to use explicit markup somehow < 1402461443 579034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish it still existed externally and searched everything < 1402461449 101037 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs. just writing a rule to auto-markup < 1402461540 905172 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vimeo.com/64487176 <- plumber demo on vimeo < 1402461549 420517 :tertu!~tertu@184-97-163-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402461605 302148 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to make on Linux virtual console that you can push mouse to copy/paste a text between them, and the PAUSE to pause window, and SCROLL LOCK to do a scrollback by keys (page-up/page-down) and make it buffer rather than display further text? < 1402461678 368593 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you can scrollup on console while it continues to buffer more output < 1402461691 334085 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can definitely do it in tmux and screen < 1402461720 539617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never tried pushing SCROLL LOCK on Linux to see what it does, so I don't know. < 1402461739 247082 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its control-pageup or something like that to scrollback on linux console? < 1402461742 351364 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe alt? < 1402461767 268333 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried those things either. How do you set the scroll buffer size? < 1402461939 230905 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :baked into kernel srcs i imagine? i dont know offhand < 1402461966 302476 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO-18.html < 1402462014 175069 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda funny how x has its own keyboard stuff, so i end up having different layouts for x and console since i haven't bothered with the latter < 1402462060 778168 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, lsub.org guys made a plan9-like system that had an http-like protocol (back to original topci of html and gopher): http://lsub.org/ls/export/opiwp9.pdf < 1402462069 300821 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like a stripped down and simplified 9p < 1402462219 1053 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like my distro has its own setup for console keyboard configuration wooooo < 1402462221 387373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the command to tell aptitude and other package managers to load the packages from a DVD? < 1402462296 384971 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely aptitude is agnostic, you just gotta mount the device and do whatever < 1402462309 244479 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpkg -i /media/fuckparty2004.deb < 1402462454 108514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you tell to temporarily specify to access DVD for its built-in list of packages? I know proxy is possible, as I have seen it done. < 1402462539 33136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 7-Zip can also open .deb packages < 1402462567 507505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :7-Zip supports many formats, including a few which are not mentioned in the documentation. < 1402462697 512270 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If a DVD has a proper repository, you should be able to use apt-cdrom add. If you just want to install a random .deb file, dpkg --unpack foo.deb && apt-get -f install < 1402462751 697656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, it opens Visual Pinball table files just fine. It also opens sections of a EXE file just fine, too. < 1402462751 697851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: O, OK. < 1402462751 955864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only was I curious myself, but someone else who was purchasing a laptop computer from Free Geek wanted to know how to do this, too. < 1402462768 552739 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402462876 54713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once, I was trying to download additional music for PySol. For some reason, it was distributed as a Macintosh disk image, but I tried to open it with 7-Zip and it worked. < 1402462876 54802 :tertu!~tertu@184-97-163-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1402462905 416878 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402462955 134042 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh. reminds me of when i tried marathon mods < 1402462957 56173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether or not 7-Zip is available on Linux or Macintosh computers, but probably it can be ported if it isn't. < 1402462963 419619 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402462966 622668 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a bonus level that you get by decompressing some hex in the game, twice < 1402462976 623097 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the catch being the compression format didn't outlive the mac 9 < 1402463000 207339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Did you try 7-Zip? See if it manages to open it. < 1402463028 373607 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles
< 1402463038 292886 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the mac program does open 7z :/ < 1402463076 356636 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the format was proprietary so 7zip would probably have something weird with it < 1402463078 886282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't download the "7za" 7-Zip because it is more limited. You need the full version, although you can safely delete the GUI if you do not want it (this is what I did). < 1402463319 2355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a file contains multiple archive types, you can tell 7-Zip which one to open. < 1402463375 630730 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway back when i tried it seemed like only this program could open it, and possibly only an old version < 1402463843 301002 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the gui is like 80% of why 7zip is good < 1402463855 1594 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other 20% being that it supports tons of formats < 1402463871 709869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I don't need the GUI, though. But it is there if you like it! < 1402463904 511586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use the tons of formats, myself, and the command-line interface is actually good how I find it, too. < 1402463955 3566 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, integration into the explorer is nice < 1402464100 547065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can, although I do not need it. < 1402464274 81135 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of any music tracker software with two more windows, a SQL window and a MML compiler window? The SQL window can help for editing and MML window can help for writing music, then. < 1402464498 380963 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know of any trackers using sql or mml < 1402464517 421581 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1402464634 362747 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually they are based around a specialized GUI component - the pattern editor (the "grid"), editing music data in a custom binary format < 1402464689 327525 :tertu!~tertu@184-97-163-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402464694 922066 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can be useful to view and tweak music, although I do not find it useful for composing music at all. It also makes the binary format limited in some ways, since it has to fit on the grid. < 1402464717 23254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not suggesting to remove such thing, though. < 1402464776 223329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I mean is that if you want to do something such as "swap channel 2 with channel 3" then you would enter a SQL command to do that, or if you want to detect which instruments are used and what range of notes, you can use SQL command to do that too. < 1402464812 718206 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real reason for the grid's limitations is screen space < 1402464857 175559 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you add more flexibility then you will have too much data to display in your fixed size cell < 1402464861 527502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes, that is one of the things making the grid's limitations, which is also part of the file format's limitations < 1402464881 149999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, you cannot have a lot of effects at once. < 1402464895 600574 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cell cannot vary in height otherwise it would break the layout < 1402464964 356710 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the max number of effects also has to stay constant < 1402464979 118342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you could do is if the cell contains a single effect, it is specified normally; if more than one, you can have a "effect icon" consisting of several colors and if clicked, then you get a window to view/edit each one. < 1402464983 822786 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at madbr !
< 1402464988 245371 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can display easy to read column < 1402464989 103257 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1402464990 765000 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1402465004 459418 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1402465005 806104 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric : b < 1402465008 336264 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric : c < 1402465011 165664 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : in theory yes < 1402465012 817861 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy columns < 1402465023 511470 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : but that sounds inconvenient < 1402465053 614803 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaks your muscle memory for doing fast editing < 1402465080 559942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be inconvenient for writing music, but if you are using the MML compiler to write the music and the grid to view/tweak it, then it works. Furthermore, if you are writing music using the grid, you can still use single effects just as easily as before. < 1402465111 618625 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, editing using SQL could also work just as well, too. < 1402465145 932605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing that might introduce multiple effects as once would be MIDI record. < 1402465159 762434 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :midi record is a problem yes < 1402465232 616536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I currently use OpenMPT for viewing and playing music of various formats (and to export instruments and so on). < 1402465298 269825 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :openmpt is designed for writing songs < 1402465346 887529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really find it so suitable for such thing though, although yes it can be used for such, too. < 1402465596 511408 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the whole purpose of the program is to write new music < 1402465612 413487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be used for existing music too though < 1402465722 445366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For writing music I generally use ppMCK, Csound, or just write them as PLAY commands in QBASIC. < 1402465759 653073 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't qbasic's play command monophonic? < 1402465794 311589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is monophonic, although I have used it. < 1402465908 235694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Csound, there are several different programs for editing score (and some edit the orchestra for you too), and some people just write the score and/or orchestra directly in a text editor. I didn't find any of the score editors or the standard format so good, so I wrote my own score compiler, although I just type in the orchestra directly. < 1402465953 80174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Csound numeric score format looks to highly resemble tracker-style formats, so a tracker-style interface for Csound could probably use Csound's own format as their native format. < 1402465977 5101 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Cheese14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39794 5* 0366.215.55.141 5* (+53) 10Created page with "ok I am confused, anybody want to help me understand?" < 1402466020 69176 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1402466279 217992 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheese++ compiler written in Cheese+ which has an interpreter in Cheese < 1402466326 643502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even when I am using ppMCK, it isn't quite the standard one; I have added a few things, the most useful being the * and ? commands, which I use a lot. < 1402466340 720835 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that Cheese itself is ultimately implemented in Feather, considering the time oddities involved < 1402466354 99659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in CsoundMML I have also implemented the * and ? commands. < 1402466468 497232 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're compiling to csound's score format from mml? :D < 1402466474 134023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes. < 1402466507 714070 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that shows that csound's score format might not be good and should've been mml in first place? :D < 1402466567 830098 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I don't know; probably it depends on preference. Some people do write music directly in Csound's score format. Some people prefer GUI. A few other people have written programs similar to MML for Csound, but not as good in my opinion. < 1402466623 4167 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if I am just doing simple sound effects, and not writing a song, I find Csound score format reasonable too. < 1402466646 582928 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is good enough for simple sound effects < 1402466700 734892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often in such a case, the score will only contain possibly some tables and one event, and then write the sound effect in the orchestra. < 1402466836 337054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I much prefer the Csound format over VST (although Csound does support VST, in both directions). < 1402466911 623734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :New effects can be written as combinations of existing effects, or by writing a Csound extension in C. < 1402467116 14008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people prefer to compose music by writing it on a paper. I can do that too, especially if I am writing in four-part harmony. < 1402467148 639058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But someone I know, just play piano and never writes it down at all. < 1402467183 140848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He says he can never get the timing correct when writing it down or putting it into the computer.) < 1402467284 330785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you use OpenMPT yourself at all? < 1402467440 722048 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Then now write the Cheeeese+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++!!!! compiler, too. < 1402467551 819805 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use impulse tracker which is the precursor < 1402467559 107482 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and runs on dos) < 1402467576 554307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I knew that is a DOS program < 1402467640 241801 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact most of my musical output is still done in that < 1402467686 327797 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mrnkmocbplixplbh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1402467700 696489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not know that. < 1402467872 913121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impulse Tracker format is more sophisticated than MOD and S3M at least, so it does allow more effects at once, by putting some in the volume column, some in the effect column, some in the sample data, and some in the instrument data. To me that looks like somewhat of a mess. < 1402467891 408751 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but I never use the volume column for effects < 1402467901 493630 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's there for volume only < 1402467910 899300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1402467918 208944 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my usage < 1402467933 434804 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you run into the problem that you can't adjust volume anymore if you use it < 1402467961 767594 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402467966 438405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a few effects which work in the volume column though, as I have read the format specifications, although I did not pay much attention how much it is used; but I do think usually they are only volume < 1402467991 233117 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some other people might use them yes < 1402467992 908484 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1402468067 971202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instrument data can also contain volume and panning though < 1402468144 102078 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I use some of the panning stuff in instruments < 1402468150 131761 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :along with channel panning < 1402468344 61443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written an Impulse Tracker file player once; it did feel like somewhat of a mess. < 1402468366 37199 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie : yeah it's not a particularly clean spec < 1402468382 628044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me it doesn't make much sense to make such a mess inside of the file format; to me is more sensible having external program compiling such effect into the correct sequences needed in the file, and then the player does not need to know about them. < 1402468398 730340 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :has bizzarre throwbacks to stuff like amiga pitch clock frequencies :D < 1402468470 817279 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : that's like, a baked output format < 1402468490 402199 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the old genesis music format that was a dump of all register writes < 1402468495 163958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes, I think it would work better. < 1402468508 627137 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have to be a two step thing < 1402468513 911892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :An alternative would be to use a VM, like .NSF uses. < 1402468522 460492 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need a format for editing the data < 1402468541 86707 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then a second format for exporting the data to external players < 1402468560 662357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes, you would need such a thing, certainly. But I still think it would work better, and make it more extensible without modifying the players. < 1402468566 24534 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah nsf is a good example of second format < 1402468611 257349 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"preparsed .it" would be a useful thing yes < 1402468613 792490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes and there are a few different programs to compile into .NSF: NerdTracker, FamiTracker, ppMCK, etc. < 1402468730 483245 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nite < 1402468731 447179 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Rouringu de hajikunda! < 1402468923 22866 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If we make the "preparsed .it" format would you work it better then? < 1402469323 400693 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402469328 170541 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lii14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39795&oldid=39789 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-5) 10/* Natural numbers via linked lists */ < 1402469609 55884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would certainly have made my player simpler, but it was a one-off thing for a friend who needed a small executable, not a general IT player thing that I'd keep working on. < 1402469622 711141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1402469673 956492 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402469678 304340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could still try to make such format and other people can question/complain about it, and put it in library which is playing such file < 1402469796 394750 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would improve it a lot. Not only make the player simpler, but also allow editors to add their own features much more easily, and make it much more easily to write a MML compiler targeting it. < 1402469830 53903 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Category:Declarative paradigm14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39796&oldid=23621 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+24) 10 < 1402470017 293030 :tertu!~tertu@184-97-163-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1402471352 576550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hav idea a new kind of poker game, based on Texas Hold'em. One thing is that each player now plays two hands; each hand keeps their own score and bets separately though, except that one is "leader" and the one after that in the same team is called a "supporter", such that the supporter cannot reraise the leader. There are also other rules having to do with limits, lives, and other things. < 1402472500 536886 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How common would it be in a poker game if you really don't want your opponent to see your cards, for some reason? (I don't know why, but maybe it might be possible somehow?) In such a case, it might make sense to fold if check is an option, but only after the river card has been dealt. < 1402472845 702922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe someone wants to influence the decisions made by other players, when there are more than two players in the game. < 1402473176 10715 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey, it's apparently Transgender Awareness Week or something < 1402473446 539299 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402473529 395878 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a sid player based on "preparsed sid" a while ago, but it seems that the original 6502 code is a quite good compression format for SID register writes < 1402473674 182745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402473811 621451 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does do that. < 1402473824 35395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although for register write formats, there is VGM, is one thing for that. < 1402473891 10078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :6502 codes can certainly help to compress and do other things, then you only need to emulate the 6502 instruction set and whatever effects are used, can be added on by programmed in 6502 codes. NSF is also based on 6502 codes. < 1402473910 902971 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the conventional business e-mail response time? < 1402475011 571731 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402475603 504254 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402475603 704052 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402476551 551402 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1402476652 835622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Changing server < 1402477269 498584 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402477356 151725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402477400 986727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out trying to join another server without telling irssi it's _not_ freenode gets you disconnected from the usual ones, huh < 1402477467 814287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1402477493 159859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402477500 771842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah did it again < 1402477540 172365 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I run multiple irssis in a screen session < 1402477595 922488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1402477621 170088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402477641 19893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _really_ _really_ don't seem to get how to connect to more than one server D: < 1402477670 436097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1402477729 315095 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You suck at connecting to multiple servers . < 1402477741 535778 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1402477949 413598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1402478018 139799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how are you doing it < 1402478028 485326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just /connect irc.some.server < 1402478035 279033 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1402478066 324012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh i used /server < 1402478085 278102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go then < 1402478088 610953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :use /connect < 1402478142 611255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. i actually found out how to use /server (needs to add a + before the connection) < 1402478155 556486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Quit: Changing server < 1402478169 398073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1402478179 146712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/SERVER disconnects the server in active window and connects to the new one. It will take the same arguments as /CONNECT. If you prefix the address with the + character, Irssi won't disconnect the active server, and it will create a new window where the server is connected (ie. /window new hide; /connect address) < 1402478186 638018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I walked into that one. < 1402478221 698725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much for trying to help people. < 1402478235 432525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never works hth < 1402478261 732326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(do you see what happened there it was funny) < 1402478283 464759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1402478284 968055 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13numcoin 04ortcoin 07triicoin 08pongcoin 09boancoin 02sqrcoin 06postentcoin 13mechuygenecoin 04catcococoin 07devezcoin 08hinkleicoin 09eceicoin 02kvilcoin 06titlecoin 13half-modecoin 04camantolcoin 07bracoin 08interwangcoin 09brbcoin 02objectdiscoin < 1402478294 110977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interwangcoin < 1402478299 537914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ... ah < 1402478304 386609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whither fungot < 1402478320 610928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how's life on the disconnects network < 1402478323 508508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is it? i thought that was in november < 1402478327 204130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that only in USA < 1402478359 369600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: v. disconnected hth < 1402478374 118276 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, isn't that asexuality awareness week? < 1402478424 219350 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk ;_; < 1402478445 878053 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my student union is running a transgender awareness week this week it seems < 1402478493 807007 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there does seem to be one in November too < 1402478518 313514 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Asexual awareness week is at the end of October < 1402478573 249438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started wearing skirts to work this week < 1402478621 677202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when then is asexual transgender awareness week < 1402478640 525752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a matter of time and you know it < 1402478663 68147 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, November 2 - November 9 < 1402478706 751809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1402478707 778863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1402478708 48271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no that's plain transgender awareness week, pay attention! < 1402478715 981609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi keegan < 1402478717 422040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :heegan < 1402478731 160205 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that's November 10 - November 17 I thought < 1402478746 141469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah sorry < 1402478763 17520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :awareness is a double-edged sword :< < 1402478805 954687 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: or a double-sided coin < 1402478830 816881 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1402478832 388460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13ihaxtcoin 04mechalcrcoin 07domcoin 08oousecoin 09axingcoin 02oxberatcoin 06curschefcoin 13wadstuffocoin 04poimefulcoin 07c-londitone90000coin 08glastrcoin 09eodorcoin 02whocoin 06madna#coin 13kelxcoin 04valk:brainlovecoin 07lazycoin 08hq9+coin 09librilllcoin 02temcoin < 1402478932 687223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway do you remember that cocytus guy who was here briefly looking for the other kind of esoterica, when i tried to join ircnet the first time it also joined the #esoteric channel there (because i forgot to tell irssi that it was ircnet) and there e was. unfortunately e seemed idle. < 1402479047 788154 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What even is the other kind of esoterica < 1402479059 508272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, MAGICK < 1402479080 828685 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right < 1402479116 287906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while you are letting your guard down / i will be letting myself go / while you keep running your ship aground / i will be setting myself alight < 1402479121 873224 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, when you said that awareness is a double-edged sword, was there anything specific you were referring to? < 1402479163 549864 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels like that conversation was cut off < 1402479231 579141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2014/06/on-depression-privilege-and-online.html < 1402479236 757926 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :content warning: depression, privilege, online activism < 1402479287 698737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a few moments of thoughtful deliberation, I lean forward and declare my decision into the microphone. "Monty, I'd like to switch to Door Number 3. In fact, it's always to my advantage to switch based on the facts you've presented." The crowd gasps! Someone from the audience shouts, "That's not correct, switching doesn't matter since each door has an equal probability of of hiding the car." Only one of us is right, but which one is it? < 1402479338 816103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1402479339 388146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1402479343 93365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen this before and see that it is better to switch than not, but, according to how it is mentioned there, exactly one of us is right, therefore it doesn't matter which one, if you switch anyways, it won't be at a disadvantage. < 1402479353 748605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes I know that but that isn't the point I am making < 1402479417 341230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is there anyone here who _hasn't_ already seen the monty hall problem discussed ad nauseam < 1402479459 776467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This specific point is one I have not seen, but other than that yes I certainly has already seen and probably so has anyone else here < 1402479475 308749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's talk about newcomb's problem instead < 1402479480 985931 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :omega as gameshow host < 1402479483 424193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss < 1402479549 828223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omega is a gameshow host? < 1402479569 140624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought omega is Greek alphabets. < 1402479632 771799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that annoys me about monty hall discussions is that everyone has an implicit setup in mind that is rarely fully stated and which greatly affects the probabilities _even_ if you understand them. < 1402479683 168652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it related to how they might not offer to switch in the first place depending on your choice? < 1402479689 400827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yep < 1402479704 316835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely < 1402479705 513305 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1402479713 256585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1402479730 448074 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1402479736 30337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't actually know which game you're playing, or at least one of the rules is just implicit < 1402479766 896754 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My understanding of the monty problem is, that you can eliminate one door < 1402479781 174746 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the moderator does the elimination, but that doesn't really matter < 1402479790 971388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have quite thought of those things already < 1402479791 215566 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :he gives you three doors, and you can eleminate one bad door < 1402479800 892097 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is rougly the same as choosing two doors < 1402479814 444205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are multiple monty problems and they're indistinguishable without some extra information about how the game actually works < 1402479815 679314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, I assume that the rules are mentioned before the game is played. < 1402479900 104535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the problem is usually stated "in medias res", so you don't actually know what the rules are, just that you're giving the opportunity to switch _this_ time. < 1402479908 856534 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that doesn't really help understanding why it's better to switch < 1402479926 196748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps bonghits will fix my transport layer security < 1402479926 455894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it _could_ be, in theory, that you only get that offer if the car is behind the door you originally chose. < 1402479938 872623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*given < 1402479962 4966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought about the probabilities carefully and determine it is better to switch. I then programmed a simulation in the computer to check the same thing. < 1402480051 643216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another variant I have seen is you get additionally $100 if you decide not to switch. Such thing might depend how much the car is then worth, and possibly, whether behind the other doors are empty or have goats (both ways have been seen). < 1402480080 299206 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you choose a door with a goat, do you get to keep the goat? < 1402480089 330534 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you then calculate your earnings expectancy < 1402480113 285780 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I would assume so, but it isn't actually clear. < 1402480116 176159 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a 2/3 chance you win the car? < 1402480123 27119 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also thought of the game where the host reveals one of the other two doors at random even if one of them does have a car. I could not figure it out then. < 1402480133 586607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Yes < 1402480149 419979 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there can't be a 1/3 chance you win the car and the money though < 1402480205 199987 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you stay there's a 1/3 chance you win the car and the money? < 1402480221 362910 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you switch there's a 2/3 chance you just win the car < 1402480227 975269 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1402480239 889124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i assume you don't get to switch if a car is revealed? < 1402480260 86313 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that mean that your expectancy is (2/3)*car + (1/3)*(car+100$) < 1402480261 144461 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You could but it wouldn't help, since you have to switch to the other closed door < 1402480264 471118 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be more than a car < 1402480268 733936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1402480284 221414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't you switch to the car door < 1402480290 274 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that' doesn't work that way hm. < 1402480292 650434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Because it is open! < 1402480297 527213 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1402480299 799669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because it's been opened? that's ruled out in the original formulation because you know there's a goat behind it < 1402480344 888375 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I think you have to make the expectancy separately each choice? < 1402480377 590330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hm i think in the case where a door is revealed at random is equivalent to always revealing the second door. < 1402480393 951395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: If that is how it is ruled out, well, it works if it is consider as win/lose game, but if that isn't the consideration, then what if you already have a car but you don't have any goat yet? < 1402480400 314802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: second door? < 1402480403 987966 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Let's assume you role a dice to decide < 1402480404 195249 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402480422 262087 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's a 1/2 chance that you have a 2/3 chance to win the car < 1402480425 279841 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402480430 396197 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: O, in that case then yes you do add them up. But you shouldn't decide at random anyways < 1402480433 794682 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a 1/2 chance that you have 1/3 chance to win the car + the car < 1402480465 465400 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1/2)*(2/3)*10000 + (1/2)*(1/3)*(10000+100) < 1402480467 306515 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5016.666666666666 < 1402480496 252541 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1402480498 968365 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1/2)*(2/3)*10000 + (1/2)*(1/3)*(10000) < 1402480500 739813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5000.0 < 1402480504 705430 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1402480511 988580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you open the third door and behind it is an argument about the monty hall problem < 1402480514 40179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so the car is worth $10000. < 1402480515 988995 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can expect half a car from the monty problem < 1402480520 146139 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah < 1402480528 838356 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it is solved, of course. < 1402480532 254159 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which somehow means that your chance of winning is 50:50? < 1402480552 254639 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's probably an intuitive misjudgement of statistics of mine < 1402480565 278648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you have not seen the car before, then you just have to guess how much it is worth. < 1402480565 702607 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can expect to win half the price < 1402480573 600971 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that imply that my chance of winning the price is 50:50? < 1402480585 106639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <shachaf> you open the third door and behind it is an argument about the monty hall problem < 1402480586 527668 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1206) <shachaf> you open the third door and behind it is an argument about the monty hall problem < 1402480605 520245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And, of course, if it isn't about winning, an additional consideration must additionally be made as I have mentioned above.) < 1402480641 745519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd assume most cars are worth more money than most goats, but maybe not everywhere. < 1402480647 45630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, you argue about it in the third door, now all three different things. < 1402480730 111442 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I also believe so, but my consideration about the goat was about if it isn't about winning. < 1402480779 308437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if the door is revealed at random, there is 1/3 prob. you don't get to switch, 1/3 prob. it's best to switch, and 1/3 prob. it's best to stay. so on the condition you _can_ switch, it's 50-50 and it makes no difference whether you do or not. < 1402480821 892238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's that day again. < 1402480849 323383 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the car is a rusty, used volvo from 1995 < 1402480880 773984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That was my conclusion too actually < 1402480891 338111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(testing of air raid sirenes) < 1402480918 630205 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Norway at that much risk of air raids? < 1402480924 894068 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that was monday last week (I think) < 1402480926 617077 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fun fact is, that if you decide by a coin toss whether to switch or not < 1402480946 71153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: not recently, knock on wood. they test them twice a year nevertheless. < 1402480947 351442 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'r chance of winning is 1/2 * 2/3 + 1/2 * 1/3 = 1/2 < 1402480951 275741 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*your < 1402480957 196881 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the coin will fall under the closed door and you will lose one cent. < 1402480963 903319 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is still better than staying < 1402480975 377721 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1402480980 17773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :second wednesday of january and june < 1402480996 479980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :12pm sharp < 1402481002 269303 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so those people who say that your chance of winning is 1/2 are actually right < 1402481006 961273 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1402481010 281689 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you decide randomly! < 1402481149 259837 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the formal logic to have such thing as, if it is either better to switch or it doesn't matter, then it implies that you ought to switch? < 1402481170 280800 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402481170 720935 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good, thanks. coordinating attack on norway... < 1402481220 880550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i've thought about that idea. < 1402481247 625304 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402481382 195040 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :To return the favour, the best time to attack Sweden would be at 15:00 the first may of every third month, though I don't remember which months < 1402481415 388399 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402481442 865823 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I recall there being a test last monday I guess it's the last month of each quarter < 1402481473 844483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first may of every third month sounds a little hard to calculate, to be honest < 1402481529 410290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they test them every tuesday here at noon < 1402481539 57949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1402481546 60887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_every_ tuesday? < 1402481553 53091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://localwiki.net/sf/Tuesday_Noon_Siren < 1402481592 203929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The San Francisco Office of Emergency Services & Homeland Security urges those who live or work in San Francisco to consider the siren as a weekly reminder to compile an emergency-preparedness kit capable of sustaining themselves and their dependents for 72 hours." < 1402481607 448006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :""We had two bags of grass, 75 pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a saltshaker half-full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... Also, a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether, and two dozen amyls. Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious drug collection, the tendency is to push it as far as < 1402481698 924759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure that emergency kit is government approved, kmc < 1402481761 223697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it makes _slightly_ more sense if it's also used for earthquakes, but still i feel a slight urge to make a paranoia index out of this. < 1402481805 652670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :number of siren tests per year < 1402481833 318532 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402481907 828373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter how drunk I get I haven't let my laptop run out of battery < 1402481927 288989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got up in the middle of a threesome once to plug it in < 1402482050 372884 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: er, monday* < 1402482080 9805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1402482112 771701 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1402482204 638627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: yo did you ever read that thing you were going to read < 1402482275 481162 :Patashu!Spire_Pend@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402482683 416133 :Patashu_!Kozuma@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402482683 777148 :Patashu!Spire_Pend@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402482751 203311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Bike <Bike> francis i, i think <-- i think the i is not official until they get another francis < 1402482751 568113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1402482781 380506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i francis i,i think < 1402482971 444554 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It may also depend on whether you're an observer on the outside or not < 1402482986 833540 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could argue that an outsider doesn't know whether the participant switches or not < 1402483005 428947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum hall effect < 1402483016 301698 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402483018 293213 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you model it as a 50:50 switch, so are the chance of winning for the participant 50:50 too < 1402483032 515328 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for an observer) < 1402483178 307017 :Patashu_!Kozuma@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402483548 124279 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1402483741 970556 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1402483747 379953 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :three prisoner problem < 1402483752 764548 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that somehow related to the monty one? < 1402483766 686734 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A knows, that B is to be executed < 1402483777 622998 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's like monty telling you which door is a goat) < 1402483793 903586 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if A were to switch his identity with C < 1402483801 376481 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's like switching the door) < 1402483808 812701 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that mean that his chances are now 2/3? < 1402483855 931656 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1402483863 457402 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Prisoners_problem < 1402483942 700536 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you can imagine, that they have a bag over their had and just a name tag, they can't speak or anything < 1402483954 388420 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means, that it would actually be plausible to switch "identities" < 1402483972 965136 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*head < 1402484063 312948 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, that's nicely detailed. (flipping a coin is quite crucial) < 1402484092 763434 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course A is silly to assume that his chances improved. :) < 1402484134 886668 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: at least because the governor already decided < 1402484151 832670 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no information he receives afterwards could have possibly influenced the governors decision < 1402484166 392120 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not < 1402484192 188303 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would make sense that you can't change a decision by disclosing information about it afterwards < 1402484194 377478 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, C's chances do improve. < 1402484212 873 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth? < 1402484216 523431 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402484216 723955 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402484218 742477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think you can much warn of an earthquake, anyway < 1402484252 376484 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: There's information in the fact that A tells the news to C rather than B. < 1402484268 285325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like i'm reading a random acausal decision theory problem generator < 1402484341 761614 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: In 2/3 of the cases that A tells the news to C, C is actually pardoned; likewise, in 2/3 of the cases that A tells the news to B, B is pardoned. This does not change the overall odds at all. < 1402484456 628649 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. at least this means that A can increase his chance to 2/3 by switching identities with C < 1402484551 550730 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that wrongg too? < 1402484552 185198 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's right < 1402484555 365741 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he should have killed C and taken his place if he knew anything about statistics < 1402484558 587970 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although these statistics are really weird < 1402484558 588135 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so macabre I am glad I am crap at stats < 1402484565 863070 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see why your chance of winning can possibly increase after the decision was already made < 1402484568 20526 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that killing somebody is a good way of getting pardoned. < 1402484589 157703 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: they increase to 100% for the survivor after the executions have taken place < 1402484608 185173 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the point he chose which to pardon everyone had a 1/3 chance of winning < 1402484621 145903 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason why that chance should alter o_O < 1402484649 208244 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just conditional probabilities. < 1402484677 615930 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The guard divulges information about the choice after all. < 1402484758 559517 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. But that information has no effect on the "choosing procedure" < 1402484760 821777 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could it, the procuder had already been done < 1402484760 821963 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*procedure < 1402484762 824125 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: You're viewing it wrong, really. < 1402484763 127376 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :D < 1402484801 830984 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :After the choice has been made, one of the prisoners has a 100% chance of being pardoned, and the other two will be executed. < 1402484809 881329 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you calculate the chance based on information you know about the result < 1402484812 152731 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you already know parts of the result < 1402484812 361387 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The probabilities that we're discussing are uncertainties arising from incomplete information. < 1402484834 465945 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1402485206 570177 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1402485464 782754 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402485467 466441 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1402485468 909561 JOIN :#esoteric > 1402485469 424852 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402485523 287737 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the instruction manual coveres it, but if C is pardonned and the warden names B, he may find it difficult to prove that he named B because of the coin flip rather than because of the truth he knew < 1402485534 328393 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if he doesn't want conflict with the governor, it's easier to just not ansewr < 1402485618 494757 :shikhin!~shikhin@59.177.197.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402485667 102225 :shikhin!~shikhin@59.177.197.74 NICK :Guest84201 < 1402485914 317392 :Guest84201!~shikhin@59.177.197.74 NICK :shikhout < 1402485917 59076 :shikhout!~shikhin@59.177.197.74 QUIT :Changing host < 1402485917 246439 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402486091 589448 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402486161 555886 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402486411 482356 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402486412 438211 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in reality nobody would be pardoned . < 1402486471 335792 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402486501 577593 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402486506 329117 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Quit: Tritonio < 1402486627 531516 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402486691 707797 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402486741 231306 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402486751 146005 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1402486915 861316 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh it's the dot < 1402486955 364668 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402487618 603177 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402487721 736101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cler < 1402487724 921048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cle;r < 1402487726 864323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cle;r < 1402487728 272960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric 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:kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1402487814 159922 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08katurketercoin 09rincoin 02villgolationcoin 06backcoin 13orkovacoin 04ijlcoin 07thamptlypaniquishyncoin 08lambergiuncoin 09fobcoin 02sandcoin 06coborocoin 13m-codcoin 04fagecoin 07scacoin 08gieramblcoin 09chiecoin 02oveacoin 06lombricoin 13charghumcoin 04tedcoin < 1402487820 713086 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doges < 1402487821 197392 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: doges: not found < 1402487871 257707 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no doge for you < 1402487951 546195 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:4:: QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402488003 661040 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1402488022 46947 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1402488022 287105 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1402488026 153617 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1402488032 853605 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls < 1402488035 641651 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ UNPA \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1402488035 874460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ UNPA \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1402488061 670216 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are complaints < 1402488067 442070 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls complaints < 1402488068 55427 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :complaints < 1402488149 436308 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`:-D < 1402488149 908659 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: :-D: not found < 1402488179 463154 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`catr complaints < 1402488179 978898 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: catr: not found < 1402488183 921354 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat complaints < 1402488184 162993 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1402488187 904889 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complaints < 1402488188 424745 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 complaints < 1402488193 703459 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- it's an executable < 1402488196 659177 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :aparanteley < 1402488196 991383 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1402488205 866148 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complain boo? < 1402488206 368488 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complaint filed. Thank you. < 1402488210 886815 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complaints < 1402488211 371928 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 complaints < 1402488217 244902 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIAR! < 1402488308 496778 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/complain < 1402488309 30794 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print_args_or_input "$@" >> complaints; echo Complaint filed. Thank you. < 1402488319 451440 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -la complaints < 1402488320 17955 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. < 1402488322 932403 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :``ls -la complaints < 1402488323 583532 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `ls: not found < 1402488325 755309 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la complaints < 1402488328 714484 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 5000 9 Apr 23 02:27 complaints -> /dev/null < 1402488340 634050 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1402488341 196259 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1402488341 440186 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the proper BOFH way of handling complaints. < 1402488434 487372 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file :-D < 1402488435 13479 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-D: UTF-8 Unicode text < 1402488456 626947 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run file * | grep -v directory < 1402488457 400817 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076: ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators \ a: empty \ app.sh: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable \ bdsmreclist: ASCII text \ canary: ASCII text \ cat: ASCII text \ complaints: symbolic link to `/dev/null' \ :-D: UTF-8 Unicode text \ dog: UTF-8 Unicode text \ fb: ELF 64-bit LSB < 1402488462 995026 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :eugh < 1402488479 542322 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :``:-D < 1402488480 48443 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `:-D: not found < 1402488486 286345 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ":-D" < 1402488486 841526 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: :-D: command not found < 1402488489 142629 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run "./:-D" < 1402488489 667190 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ./:-D: Permission denied < 1402488498 489662 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod + x ./:-D < 1402488499 65776 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod: cannot access `x': No such file or directory < 1402488502 669905 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x ./:-D < 1402488504 10922 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1402488506 963474 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run "./:-D" < 1402488507 491957 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​./:-D: line 1: $'\342\230\272': command not found < 1402488537 840734 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :PS. I think it's a unicode smiley < 1402488539 374965 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat :-D < 1402488539 871438 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​☺ < 1402488547 293468 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah :) < 1402488590 679640 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's chances of being executed rather than pardoned just increased a lot < 1402488594 619779 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Its < 1402488609 981132 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l fb < 1402488610 565592 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 5000 6356 Apr 23 02:27 fb < 1402488626 815410 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run file -i * | grep -v directory | sed -r 's/\s+/ /g' < 1402488627 534187 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076: text/plain; charset=us-ascii \ a: inode/x-empty; charset=binary \ app.sh: text/x-shellscript; charset=us-ascii \ bdsmreclist: text/plain; charset=us-ascii \ canary: text/plain; charset=us-ascii \ cat: text/plain; charset=us-ascii \ complaints: inode/symlink; charset=binary \ :-D: text/plain; charset=utf-8 \ dog: text/plain; charset=utf-8 \ f < 1402488649 504597 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat dog # cheap pun! < 1402488650 278913 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ < 1402488682 431141 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh that's too much for my fonts. < 1402488730 753827 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm canary < 1402488731 685363 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1402488734 160782 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls canary < 1402488736 408785 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402488736 640683 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402488742 215206 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :canary < 1402488766 771523 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to try to work around that, but I probably shouldn't < 1402488769 220160 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat canary < 1402488769 700225 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chirp < 1402488806 769921 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -lad . < 1402488807 377885 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drwxr-xr-x 14 5000 5000 4096 Jun 11 12:12 . < 1402488837 101002 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how badly would hackego break after chmod -x . ? < 1402488929 333717 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402488961 508145 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402488976 720962 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :'' ls -la ./ < 1402488980 103190 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la < 1402488981 80512 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 1980 \ drwxr-xr-x 14 5000 5000 4096 Jun 11 12:12 . \ drwxr-xr-x 15 0 0 0 Jun 11 12:16 .. \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 373 Apr 23 02:27 98076 \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 0 Apr 23 02:27 a \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 5000 68 Apr 23 02:27 app.sh \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 31 Apr 23 02:27 bdsmreclist \ drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 5000 < 1402488983 840565 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la ./ < 1402488984 432373 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 1980 \ drwxr-xr-x 14 5000 5000 4096 Jun 11 12:12 . \ drwxr-xr-x 15 0 0 0 Jun 11 12:16 .. \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 373 Apr 23 02:27 98076 \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 0 Apr 23 02:27 a \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 5000 68 Apr 23 02:27 app.sh \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 31 Apr 23 02:27 bdsmreclist \ drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 5000 < 1402489003 271461 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls < 1402489003 825934 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ UNPA \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1402489006 568776 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la bin/\` < 1402489007 243819 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 5000 18 Apr 23 02:27 bin/` < 1402489013 39876 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/\` < 1402489013 584572 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/\`: No such file or directory < 1402489016 410635 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/` < 1402489016 885201 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec bash -c "$1" < 1402489023 564525 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(`` is not magic) < 1402489030 736638 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $(ls) < 1402489031 666351 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076 a app.sh bdsmreclist bin canary cat complaints :-D dog etc factor fb fb.c head hello hello.c ibin index.html interps lib paste pref prefs quines quotes share src test Test Test.hi Test.hs UNPA Wierd wisdom wisdom.pdf < 1402489045 111786 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo * < 1402489045 619154 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076 a app.sh bdsmreclist bin canary cat complaints :-D dog etc factor fb fb.c head hello hello.c ibin index.html interps lib paste pref prefs quines quotes share src test Test Test.hi Test.hs UNPA Wierd wisdom wisdom.pdf < 1402489045 876413 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does ls give something else then ls ./? < 1402489050 611901 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*than < 1402489060 471002 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la < 1402489061 100223 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 1980 \ drwxr-xr-x 14 5000 5000 4096 Jun 11 12:12 . \ drwxr-xr-x 15 0 0 0 Jun 11 12:17 .. \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 373 Apr 23 02:27 98076 \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 0 Apr 23 02:27 a \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 5000 68 Apr 23 02:27 app.sh \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 31 Apr 23 02:27 bdsmreclist \ drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 5000 < 1402489066 272300 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat 98076 < 1402489066 779834 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-- Hi everyone! < 1402489071 950145 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? < 1402489075 723186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -laR < 1402489076 613973 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.: \ total 1980 \ drwxr-xr-x 14 5000 5000 4096 Jun 11 12:12 . \ drwxr-xr-x 15 0 0 0 Jun 11 12:17 .. \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 373 Apr 23 02:27 98076 \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 0 Apr 23 02:27 a \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 5000 68 Apr 23 02:27 app.sh \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 31 Apr 23 02:27 bdsmreclist \ drwxr-xr-x 2 5 < 1402489086 752570 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ls list recursively? < 1402489088 311725 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls < 1402489088 875437 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ UNPA \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1402489090 701114 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat *bds* < 1402489091 202783 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​<oerjan> YOU are out of order. < 1402489092 188472 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $(ls ./) < 1402489092 915785 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076 a app.sh bdsmreclist bin canary cat complaints :-D dog etc factor fb fb.c head hello hello.c ibin index.html interps lib paste pref prefs quines quotes share src test Test Test.hi Test.hs UNPA Wierd wisdom wisdom.pdf < 1402489096 616160 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $(ls) < 1402489097 194644 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076 a app.sh bdsmreclist bin canary cat complaints :-D dog etc factor fb fb.c head hello hello.c ibin index.html interps lib paste pref prefs quines quotes share src test Test Test.hi Test.hs UNPA Wierd wisdom wisdom.pdf < 1402489102 653291 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu < 1402489103 570580 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks the same to me < 1402489109 723344 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $(ls -la) < 1402489110 362380 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 1980 drwxr-xr-x 14 5000 5000 4096 Jun 11 12:12 . drwxr-xr-x 15 0 0 0 Jun 11 12:18 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 373 Apr 23 02:27 98076 -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 0 Apr 23 02:27 a -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 5000 68 Apr 23 02:27 app.sh -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 31 Apr 23 02:27 bdsmreclist drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 5000 4096 Jun 6 08:32 bin -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 6 Jun 11 < 1402489111 317160 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you hade a -la previously < 1402489123 181805 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1402489133 868396 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` diff <(ls -la) <(ls -la ./) < 1402489134 642777 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1402489135 401418 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $(ls -a) < 1402489136 13107 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​. .. 98076 a app.sh bdsmreclist bin canary cat complaints :-D dog etc factor fb fb.c head hello hello.c .hg .hg_archival.txt ibin index.html interps lib paste pref prefs quines quotes share src test Test Test.hi Test.hs UNPA Wierd wisdom wisdom.pdf < 1402489151 246666 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't la list hello.c? < 1402489171 176335 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la | grep hello < 1402489171 869402 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 5000 6479 Apr 23 02:27 hello \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 113 Apr 23 02:27 hello.c < 1402489181 149156 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. it's cut off < 1402489204 704378 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only responds with one IRC line, so the amount of output is fairly limited < 1402489367 318891 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` whereis ghci < 1402489369 464336 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghci: < 1402489371 443063 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` whereis ghc < 1402489373 326143 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc: < 1402489377 36476 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` whereis gcc < 1402489379 294976 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc: /usr/bin/gcc /usr/lib/gcc /usr/bin/X11/gcc < 1402489440 541980 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste < 1402489452 460986 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` paste < hello.c < 1402489462 853791 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, no, maybe? < 1402489501 756724 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.30812 < 1402489503 180936 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.24635 < 1402489540 453330 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste hello.c < 1402489541 85958 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/hello.c < 1402489542 43568 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :works too < 1402489787 18420 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, what kind of protocol is that? < 1402489902 581240 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402490195 696527 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo ☹ > "./:-(" < 1402490197 108154 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1402490204 106409 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat "./:-(" < 1402490204 636837 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​☹ < 1402490206 897612 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1402490309 478518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ☹ < 1402490310 281033 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2639 WHITE FROWNING FACE] < 1402490322 797728 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :protocol? < 1402490415 510719 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402490531 995104 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402490849 796849 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-waafkiljjfxrfiwu QUIT :Excess Flood < 1402491247 191087 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1402491282 249621 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? protocol < 1402491282 862327 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :protocol? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1402491313 289878 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-kabfjjybaleettsh JOIN :#esoteric < 1402491335 315983 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn protocol Not to be confused with protocoal. < 1402491336 760909 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1402491340 300307 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? protocol < 1402491341 15943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :protocol Not to be confused with protocoal. < 1402491352 830810 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1402491414 402938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/protocol //' wisdom/protocol < 1402491414 926742 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: can't read wisdom/protocol: No such file or directory < 1402491424 595578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1402491463 76224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a forget command? < 1402491467 490783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/forget < 1402491468 698593 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ rm "wisdom/$(echo "$1" | tr A-Z a-z)" \ echo "Forget what?" < 1402491475 888976 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah < 1402491478 507813 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? protocol < 1402491479 135293 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :protocol is not to be confused with protocoal < 1402491482 264020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget protoco: < 1402491482 836572 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `wisdom/protoco:': No such file or directory \ Forget what? < 1402491487 143742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget protocol: < 1402491487 642776 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `wisdom/protocol:': No such file or directory \ Forget what? < 1402491490 425140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1402491497 523958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/prot* < 1402491498 151462 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/protocol < 1402491509 650338 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already corrected it < 1402491554 249775 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1402491555 348759 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. < 1402491564 581677 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ntediluvian < 1402491565 131818 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ntediluvian? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1402491568 369045 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? antediluvian < 1402491568 996280 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :antediluvian? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1402491622 263229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'We could tell you what antediluvian means, but that would just open a flood of questions.' >wisdom/antediluvian < 1402491623 573999 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1402491674 584702 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1402491737 530573 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402491737 755556 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1402491874 413442 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/06/09/1852218/kids-with-operators-manual-alert-bank-officials-we-hacked-your-atm?sbsrc=md < 1402491892 216469 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I detect security by "you don't have our manual" < 1402491924 168833 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1402491967 503840 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402493765 39024 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402493875 69384 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1402494378 357576 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402494525 863694 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402494674 945416 :password2!~password@197.78.168.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402494713 420243 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402495301 828399 :password2!~password@197.78.168.73 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402495445 277091 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402495617 650453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402497957 952399 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402498258 254457 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402499512 298793 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1402500028 652603 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1402500043 817247 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:f16a:3753:65d7:2893 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402500272 691977 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:f16a:3753:65d7:2893 QUIT :Client Quit < 1402500333 687737 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402500344 90413 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1402500464 603996 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 QUIT :Client Quit < 1402500812 804718 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402501471 885980 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402501737 848414 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Have you yet found out if you can do a*b-c with BANCSTar Arithmetic command? < 1402501749 382022 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the LIST source it looks like you can encode an operator in each operand < 1402501763 442570 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but LIST seems to only look at the operator encoded in the fourth operand < 1402501912 204622 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402502343 80079 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are FORMS and SCREENS btw. < 1402503067 927256 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402503096 427538 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402503363 292341 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402503449 273061 :barrucadu!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402503654 464500 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-azlarwchitmleixn JOIN :#esoteric < 1402503750 964116 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd < 1402503751 560629 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​��.gwG!��oڕd��B��4���8��J�r'���_�BX�ىj�G���tO�zE�A���W��q�˵�q���͵�{l5fu���$���^1��=!h�Y�l+�����ñ� < 1402503853 11960 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`r�sum� < 1402503853 482615 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: r�sum�: not found < 1402503978 772141 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1402503978 998497 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1402503989 639780 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, help < 1402503996 619374 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1402504360 148245 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Have to play a game < 1402505009 470433 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402505044 943077 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402505127 774618 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402505360 787215 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : o.o < 1402505373 604356 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : o.o.o < 1402505376 391018 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : o.o < 1402505421 891404 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402505425 921875 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? limerick < 1402505426 487957 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :limerick? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1402505547 558185 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote prose < 1402505548 46102 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1140) <shachaf> A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric." < 1402507124 107759 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402507267 985936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402507408 818247 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-93-173.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1402507962 235407 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone here suspects that Lisp's list comprehensions are turing complete < 1402507965 684438 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any thoughts? < 1402508112 545735 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1402508282 38814 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1402508455 484198 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1402508999 400322 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"list comprehension"? < 1402509021 644494 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [x*y | x <- [1..3], y <- [1..5]] < 1402509023 460312 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,2,4,6,8,10,3,6,9,12,15] < 1402509033 806792 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what it looks like in Lisp. < 1402509081 519037 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402509283 754586 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402509286 636487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halp. < 1402509308 972069 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1402509313 729986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There "u" go. < 1402509362 853608 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is with us again, the world is saved < 1402509363 53083 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i meant gregorr-w: ps ( thread-id 5)) < 1402509366 688512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is similar to do-notation though < 1402509427 644511 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: loop and collect < 1402509452 820123 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: haskell started out with "monad comprehensions", but then there was a push for type errors that make sense to students who are just learning the language, and the syntax was restricted to lists. < 1402509477 166263 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but esentially you can use regular lisp funccions in list comprehensions < 1402509478 51536 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1402509481 493742 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lately there's been a backwards trend, and ghc has monad comprehensions as an extension. < 1402509495 238934 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type [() | () <- undefined] < 1402509496 545703 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[()] < 1402509515 583417 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :loor for x from 1 to 10 (collect (* n n))) < 1402509516 96473 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the extension, [() | () <- undefined] :: Monad m => m () ) < 1402509517 628078 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*loop < 1402509537 911298 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(loop for x from 1 to 10 (collect (* n n))) for example < 1402509539 872609 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :x/n, please choose one. < 1402509545 775928 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1402509546 675015 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1402509548 441081 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1402509594 547647 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (do { x <- [1..10]; return (x*x) }, [x*x | x <- [1..10]]) < 1402509596 376473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ([1,4,9,16,25,36,49,64,81,100],[1,4,9,16,25,36,49,64,81,100]) < 1402509655 960391 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Break 1 [2]> (loop for x from 1 to 10 collect (* x x)) < 1402509656 787643 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100) < 1402510704 508358 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Not MonadPlus? < 1402510770 624857 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: nope, since there is no guard in there. < 1402510792 576476 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike [() | False] :: Control.Monad.MonadPlus m => m () < 1402510862 195924 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1402510938 552509 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( [ x * y | x <- Right 2, y <- Left "no" ] < 1402510938 778412 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of function 09Prelude.Monad.return: < 1402510938 778563 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't disambiguate name: 09Prelude.Classes.*, 09Prelude.Fin.* < 1402510975 12020 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( [ the Integer $ x * y | x <- Right 2, y <- Left "no" ] < 1402510975 284863 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):0:0:Incomplete term 04Right (09fromInteger 042) 09>>= \13x8 => 04Left 04"no" 09>>= \13y11 => 09return (09the 12Integer (13x8 09* 13y11)) < 1402511069 199084 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402511173 893283 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (Either _ Integer) [ the Integer $ x * y | x <- Right 2, y <- Left "no" ] < 1402511174 118892 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04Left 04"no" : 12Either 12String 12Integer < 1402511201 972181 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently that works without Alternative too. < 1402511344 203852 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lii14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39797&oldid=39795 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-10) 10/* Built-in classes */ corrected super classes < 1402511426 549737 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402511573 360606 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lii14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39798&oldid=39797 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-5) 10/* Classes and methods */ < 1402512373 800723 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks barrucadu < 1402512374 346807 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, barrucadu. Tharrucadu. < 1402512441 163445 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot0 wow < 1402512441 765890 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1402512501 424443 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot26 really! < 1402512501 915691 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: rot26: not found < 1402512534 534852 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd bin; echo rot* < 1402512535 99043 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rot0 rot13 rot256 < 1402512560 461281 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -s rot0 bin/rot26 < 1402512561 896532 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1402512583 793075 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat bin/rot13 < 1402512584 516703 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print_args_or_input "$@" | tr a-zA-Z n-za-mN-ZA-M < 1402513043 538013 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1402514102 276302 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402514123 418312 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:David.werecat14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39799&oldid=36193 5* 03198.7.62.204 5* (-438) 10 < 1402514416 597778 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402514502 899339 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I seem to be in two different university's computer science society's IRC channel < 1402514636 915345 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick start a debate about how pure haskell is and leave in the confusion < 1402514754 267589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Haskell has many impure features such as lazy I/O, ability to catch errors from pure code without using a macro, and everything marked "unsafe". < 1402514801 598654 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id 1 < 1402514807 270488 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1402514872 623229 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which print_args_or_input < 1402514873 217235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/print_args_or_input < 1402514878 731241 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/print_args_or_input < 1402514879 235270 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ if [ "$#" -gt 0 ]; then printf '%s\n' "$*"; else cat; fi < 1402514895 480959 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense < 1402514930 892975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now do you know how you can debate and argue about how pure Haskell is and confusion? < 1402514952 868529 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot256 wow so secure < 1402514953 402264 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow so secure < 1402514977 501783 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :waait, that shouldn't be id < 1402514989 362674 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l bin/rot256 < 1402514990 5609 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 5000 9 Apr 23 02:27 bin/rot256 -> /bin/echo < 1402515042 206438 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id < 1402515042 954636 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uid=5000 gid=5000 < 1402515069 624622 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id -Z < 1402515070 143398 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :id: --context (-Z) works only on an SELinux-enabled kernel < 1402515176 302371 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402515181 872379 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402515328 905347 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1402515647 316516 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://1.usa.gov/QQYwSb < 1402515715 836121 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1402515782 152601 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Google Custom Search requires JavaScript" ... well, no thanks. < 1402515788 717734 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cute search terms though) < 1402515960 626290 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1.USA.gov URLs are created whenever anyone shortens a .gov or .mil URL using bitly." < 1402515974 496748 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lesson learned. < 1402516296 83955 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402516537 451985 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402516601 392289 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1402516904 875137 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1402517023 829101 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402517067 122998 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1402517110 792538 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1402517319 827074 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402517765 520351 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did impress Edinburgh with my lensiness < 1402517898 897021 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402518069 812401 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402518962 440995 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402519193 447747 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402519193 674793 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402519193 918493 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402519196 370536 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1402519201 526360 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1402519209 875963 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1402519219 856594 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402519229 513998 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402520602 798971 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1402521101 131037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to make German quotations with ISO-646? < 1402521434 874563 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You can’t? < 1402521437 689176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :,,old school'' < 1402521499 864881 :not^v!~notnot^v@173-15-245-174-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402521698 429702 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402521830 246031 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I need to make German quotations with ISO-646 < 1402521874 895882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might be in some national variant but mostly ,,i think you do it like this'' < 1402521917 642659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? I thought German quotations are different from that. < 1402521955 863992 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402521968 253870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know german < 1402521993 265907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither do I, but I thought German quotations are not like that. < 1402522134 518216 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what Polish quotations are like < 1402522139 193894 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about German ones < 1402522152 518137 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except you'd use the actual unicode characters < 1402522155 29323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1402522164 816904 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't need to make Polish quotations with ISO-646 anyways. < 1402522186 649994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only German and English (which is ASCII). < 1402522341 376605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII is pretty incomplete for English typography, too < 1402522350 999697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has a decent enough approximation of quotation marks < 1402522360 102618 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know but I don't need any more than what it has < 1402522564 900020 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402523018 458727 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402523800 277858 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :German: „foo“ ; English: “foo” < 1402523997 556935 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402524608 514738 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402524733 588867 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402524813 484868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? < 1402524925 742213 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anf%C3%BChrungszeichen < 1402525236 505256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there is more than one kind? < 1402525251 616643 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dis86 ea 00 00 ff ff 00 00 00 < 1402525252 338436 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :invalid; add [rax], al; invalid; add [rax], al; invalid; < 1402525257 636857 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1402525506 99114 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the content of a "BOOT.COM" that apparently triggers a reboot, at least in dosbox < 1402525507 921958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_variation_in_quotation_marks and says German is using both the low/high mark like that and angle quotations marks too sometimes < 1402525548 102681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I think in dosbox, it may have some of its own instructions for executing the built-in commands on drive Z. < 1402525564 119531 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the program definitely isn't dosbox-specific < 1402525587 531332 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found it on an old floppy < 1402525661 831141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1402525680 243202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps they worked on those computer. < 1402525720 650767 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should make floppy-themed USB sticks. < 1402525847 340207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are floppy-disk USB. < 1402525851 756992 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1402525862 697321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one, because the internal floppy disk drive broke. < 1402526102 26500 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402526364 406339 :nooodl!~nooodl@86.173-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1402526534 571675 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1402526784 552825 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1402528336 763039 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1402528413 863753 :not^v!~notnot^v@173-15-245-174-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1402528432 671880 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-auajxiuzinlhelmu JOIN :#esoteric < 1402528826 640798 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402528913 652898 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1402529170 634971 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1402529290 845965 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:c1c3:e08e:2873:d15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1402529920 36937 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1402530451 831252 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:c1c3:e08e:2873:d15 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1402530545 726902 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1402530652 515045 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-197-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1402530764 784617 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-25.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric