00:01:33 quintopia: QUINTOPIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAÁ! 00:04:24 I keep looking at Twitter for latest cloudatcost news; this time there's: "@cloudatcost copying @digitalocean community articles for their knowledge base. Seriously, the CC BY NC SA license isn't that hard to follow" 00:04:55 fizzie: don't you have a VPS or something? :p 00:05:46 Yes, one with 256M of RAM, and lighttpd for a web server. Though I guess it might be better than none. 00:06:07 I've actually been sort-of looking at DigitalOcean's $5/month "droplet". 00:06:11 how much are you paying for it? 00:06:20 4.72€/month. 00:06:28 Or some-such. 00:06:45 yeah, DO would be way better than that. 00:07:01 especially if you moved the wiki there :P 00:07:57 To be fair, Tilaa's current lowest-end config (5.55€/month + tax) is pretty close to DO's deal, except without the SSD thing. 00:08:27 And with "unlimited" (fsvo) traffic, vs. DO's 1 TB. 00:08:49 and more expensive. 00:08:53 Yes. 00:09:03 that is, indeed, fair. (?) 00:09:06 But I'd lose my IPv6s!1 00:09:20 (DO only has native v6 in their Singapore location at the moment.) 00:09:54 no, they have it in london too 00:10:05 as of yesterday. 00:10:22 Okay, yes, but the London is super-new, I last looked at these things like three days ago. 00:11:00 well, yes :p 00:11:19 There's also the major thing that if I were hosting this, it'd be my problem when it doesn't work. 00:11:29 it already is. I ping both of you. 00:11:45 I guess, but I can just ignore it and go to sleep. 00:11:52 then you get fired. 00:11:53 (Which is what I'll be doing any moment now.) 00:12:47 what? it's only 3 am there! 00:13:08 π am. 00:13:50 (Not in any sensible sense.) 00:13:58 said at 01:13. 00:18:50 FireFly: O, do you like my new card game too, "The Aberration Hater Card Game"? 00:22:06 -!- ^3 has changed nick to ^v. 00:35:33 ahoily 00:37:21 quintopia: yesterday I tasted an interesting beer. http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/dieu-du-ciel-lherbe-a-detourne/123975/ 00:38:34 i like trippel 00:38:53 -!- copumpkin has joined. 00:39:35 it's one of those treacherous ones where you realize the full extent of your pint when you try to stand up. 00:39:49 so the comments indicate 00:41:08 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:45:44 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: Koen_). 01:03:46 -!- yorick has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:13:25 ~metar CYUL 01:13:26 CYUL 160100Z 13004KT 15SM FEW030TCU FEW080 SCT150 BKN240 20/18 A2970 RMK TCU1AC1AC2CI3 SLP056 DENSITY ALT 900FT 01:13:52 -!- boily has quit (Quit: STORMY CHICKEN). 01:13:56 -!- metasepia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:14:14 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 01:17:03 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:25:04 -!- lambdabot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:29:21 -!- lambdabot has joined. 02:02:24 -!- drdanmaku has quit. 02:35:49 -!- brrr has changed nick to Guest67588. 02:37:18 -!- Guest67588 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:48:11 -!- tromp has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:05:34 -!- ^v has changed nick to ^V. 03:07:06 -!- tromp has joined. 03:10:25 -!- ^V has changed nick to ^v. 03:23:57 -!- Sorella has quit (Quit: It is tiem!). 03:31:38 I saw some fairy chess problem, where due to the additional piece, it is not allowed to promote into a queen because doing so would put you in check, but promoting to other pieces is OK. 03:34:36 -!- drdanmaku has joined. 03:43:56 -!- SchrodingersCat has left. 04:25:07 -!- not^v has joined. 04:27:58 -!- ^v has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 04:30:53 -!- ^v has joined. 04:31:28 -!- not^v has quit (Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif). 04:37:36 -!- shikhout has joined. 04:40:28 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 05:05:15 -!- myname has joined. 05:38:04 The modes for The Aberration Hater Card Game might be: Versus (2-players, individal roles), Neutral (3-p, ind. roles), Bridge (4-p in teams, partners sit across, each team has a role), Washizu (4-p in teams, partners sit adjacent, ind. roles), Mirror (2-p, same roles), Cutthroat (3-p, same roles), and perhaps there can be others too, such as Solitaire. 05:51:06 -!- ^v has changed nick to ^4. 05:55:59 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 05:58:29 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 06:10:43 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 07:11:17 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:11:41 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:17:19 "Abberation Hater"? what's that? 08:19:20 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:27:27 -!- Patashu has joined. 08:29:24 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:32:35 -!- Patashu_ has joined. 08:32:35 -!- Patashu has quit (Disconnected by services). 08:33:57 -!- FreeFull has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:34:43 -!- FreeFull has joined. 08:35:45 -!- FreeFull has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:43:07 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 08:52:18 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:06:46 -!- oerjan has joined. 09:13:00 TieSoul_: could you eventually get the old whitespace interpreter to work? 09:13:23 -!- Lorenzo64 has joined. 09:13:52 pretty sure he did 09:14:10 i wonder if anythin 09:14:38 That's a reasonable thing to wonder about. 09:14:43 no, fingers, that's not backspace. 09:14:54 fungot: Do you ever wonder if anythin? 09:14:54 fizzie: i fnord 1)...) where you can replace it with ' quick' or ' what would you use? :) ( i.e. zooming functions to the beginning 09:16:17 i wonder how much of -Xhaskell98 will still keep working in ghc in ghc 6.10 09:17:35 the applicative-monad merge will definitely break my old unlambda interpreter, if it hasn't already. although someone else is maintaining its descendant on hackage anyway. 09:20:45 what? 09:21:00 what what 09:21:19 you mean Monad will become a subclass of Applicative so you will have to declare instances to Monad differently? 09:21:23 seems my Unlambda interpreter still works in 7.6.3 with the right flags 09:21:49 -!- mihow has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:21:53 b_jonas: yes. the interpreter contains a custom Monad instance, but naturally no Applicative one. 09:22:18 oerjan: but don't they add some language magic so that the old declarations work? 09:22:20 (however those flags make :main break, although plain main works) 09:22:38 -!- Patashu_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:22:54 b_jonas: no. they've simple made ghc 7.8 a transition period, with warnings for things that will break. but you still need to change code. 09:22:59 *simply 09:23:02 oerjan: I see 09:23:25 oerjan: besides Monad, what else has changed? 09:23:42 btw, is Applicative still a subclass of Functor? 09:24:07 of course. 09:24:28 so you need to declare that too 09:25:02 -!- Patashu has joined. 09:25:40 basically they gave up on finding a backwards compatible way of rearranging class hierarchies. :( 09:26:11 oerjan: there were some attempts, such as https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/IntrinsicSuperclasses 09:26:17 pity 09:26:30 yeah i know. 09:26:59 maybe they'll still do something (even if not exactly that) till 6.10 09:28:05 extremely unlikely, it's too little time left. 09:28:13 and too big a change. 09:28:32 isn't breaking H89 compatibility also too big a change? 09:28:52 is it at least possible to write code that works with both the old and new Monad? 09:29:02 sure. but they jumped the shark on that when they removed Eq as a Num superclass, i think. 09:29:38 hmm 09:29:39 ok 09:29:43 sure, if you define Applicative and Functor simultaneously, it will work in both. 09:30:11 How does GHC versioning work, if something called "6.10" is later than "7.8"? 09:30:34 fizzie: numerically? 09:30:46 But, but... 6 < 7. 09:30:51 oops 09:30:55 * 7.10 09:31:39 Oh, well, that's boringly normal. I was hoping for something wacky. 09:31:47 sorry, I messed that up too 09:32:00 you're excused, you just copied me 09:32:23 HE WAS JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS 09:34:01 there was a reddit post the other day where someone was confused about why haskell's versioning (Package Versioning Policy or PVP) differs from Semantic Versioning 09:34:31 (technically you can combine those just fine, _except_ PVP has two numbers for major version) 09:34:44 -!- FreeFull has joined. 09:35:03 so what's this aberration hater thing zzo has mentioned? 09:35:09 [latest @cloudatcost tweet] "Tip of the day - If you search for [city, state zip codes] in Google, you will be presented with all of the zip codes in that location. Ex : ny, new york zip codes" yes, fine, very clever, but how about fixing those servers instead of concentrating on that? 09:35:31 b_jonas: some game he made inspired by his D&D campaign, i think 09:36:31 (iirc he plays an illithid/mind flayer, which is an Aberration monster, and the campaign world has major discrimination against those) 09:37:36 (of course in standard D&D illithids are usually extremely Evil, but at least in his campaign not all are, including iiuc his character) 09:38:38 ok 09:39:33 i mainly know this because the yafgc comic has a major (evil) illithid character. incidentally yafgc has been down for weeks. 09:40:14 well somewhat major. he seems to have done little in recent arcs. 09:40:47 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:41:04 so in this game illithids are like dark elves in http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0044.html , where "the whole species consists of nothing but Chaotic Good rebels, yearning to throw off the reputation of their evil kin." 09:43:24 b_jonas: i don't know if it's that bad, you'll have to ask zzo38. 09:44:51 the dark elf thing is common enough that i've seen it in another place (the Goblins comic), it's a reference to players copying the literary character http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drizzt_Do'Urden 09:46:09 oots lampshades that even further later. 10:07:15 oerjan: sure, like in http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0008.html 10:07:39 unflattering images of halflings and of rogues 10:09:16 and of course there's the color-coded dragons 10:09:20 i meant the drizzt thing specifically. 10:15:18 -!- boily has joined. 10:21:30 -!- drdanmaku has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 10:31:18 -!- Vorpal has joined. 10:37:41 -!- shikhin has joined. 10:40:33 -!- shikhout has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:49:58 -!- sebbu has joined. 10:50:38 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 10:50:38 -!- sebbu has joined. 11:03:19 -!- mihow has joined. 11:06:33 -!- boily has quit (Quit: SEMELFACTIVE CHICKEN). 12:00:37 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:04:44 -!- ski has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 12:07:02 what's this "poco" library that some people mentioned? 12:09:25 -!- yorick has joined. 12:12:40 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:21:53 what's it like? 12:26:13 -!- Patashu has joined. 12:37:46 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep). 12:49:55 -!- edwardk has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 13:04:33 hey 13:10:23 -!- Sorella has joined. 13:46:28 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:04:43 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:31:33 -!- prooftechnique has joined. 15:10:28 -!- TieSoul_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:14:49 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 15:32:31 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 15:40:04 -!- edwardk has joined. 15:50:35 -!- augur has joined. 16:02:29 -!- prooftechnique has quit (Quit: repeat 'z'). 16:03:48 -!- Koen_ has joined. 16:06:27 goodafternoon fellow esolangers 16:06:49 -!- prooftechnique has joined. 16:12:38 -!- edwardk has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 16:35:16 -!- ^4 has changed nick to ^v. 16:35:37 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"). 16:38:17 -!- shikhout has joined. 16:41:03 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:41:08 -!- mhi^ has joined. 16:41:28 -!- nooodl has joined. 16:45:12 -!- MoALTz has joined. 16:53:35 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:54:02 -!- augur has joined. 17:00:05 -!- zzo38 has joined. 17:00:55 -!- diginet has quit (Quit: diginet has quit!). 17:02:02 "the whole species consists of nothing but Chaotic Good rebels, yearning to throw off the reputation of their evil kin." 17:02:06 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:02:09 No, that's silly! 17:02:17 What makes you think it is true? It is impossible. 17:03:24 It does not apply to any species in my game, because it doesn't make any sense. 17:03:34 -!- diginet has joined. 17:03:37 Any species has good, evil, and neutral people. 17:03:42 i think it makes sense 17:03:49 and is hilarious 17:04:44 -!- augur has joined. 17:07:26 zzo38, that's the idea, it's a joke 17:07:51 With mostly (but not entirely) equal amounts, but people hate them anyways. Most of them have no place in the card game however, because it is a card game. It is still untrue in a card game too. But Aberration Hater certainly does not care whether or not it is true; that is not their job. 17:07:56 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:08:23 quintopia: Perhaps it can be hilarious, but that doesn't make it sensible. Perhaps in some game/story world it can be true, but not in mine because it is not sensible to me. 17:15:38 -!- TieSoul has joined. 17:21:48 Tell oerjan; they are the one who made this mistake, it seems. 17:23:16 oerjan was referencing the joke 17:25:57 O, OK, then 17:26:23 -!- shikhout has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 17:29:31 Aberration Hater is an evil society, but its members just as well might not be! This sometimes causes confusion with people who are not thinking clearly. 17:29:35 zzo38: do you not see how it could be interpreted as sensible? do you see the hilarity? 17:29:56 quintopia: The latter. 17:30:51 -!- edwardk has joined. 17:31:14 zzo38: it's hilarious because it describes the human species. WE are all (excepting sociopaths) chaotic good. there are no TRULY evil among us. (sociopaths are neutral) 17:31:38 and we are all out to right the wrongs of the other humans WE perceive as evil 17:31:40 or not 17:31:42 as may be 17:32:08 I can see what you mean, but I do not think it is actually true nonetheless. 17:32:27 what about it is not true 17:32:43 what the fuck is going on 17:33:08 probably something you're not interested in 17:33:53 Of course I cannot know for sure, but that is not how I define such things. 17:33:57 if you think everyone is chaotic good, have you seen ais523? he's way too boring for that 17:35:14 -!- augur has joined. 17:36:36 When will they fix the esolang wiki? 17:37:22 zzo38: it's hilarious because it describes the human species. WE are all (excepting sociopaths) chaotic good. there are no TRULY evil among us. (sociopaths are neutral) 17:37:30 no that is... not the joke 17:37:48 Phantom_Hoover: moral relativism, duuuuuuuuude 17:39:31 oh 17:39:55 i always thought the joke was that it's true because all drow characters are drizzt knockoffs, you see 17:40:33 See? Now you have a difference in opinion. 17:47:55 And, this difference in opinion is what is the point. 17:48:25 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:48:48 Phantom_Hoover: i didn't read the context so i don't know what "the joke" is. i'm just reporting why i find it a funny concept 17:49:50 quintopia: Ah. s/"the joke"/"this joke"/ 17:51:36 i meant what i said 17:52:19 No you tried to mean what you said, but you should have meant that you meant something. 17:53:10 the thing that i said matches what i meant better than your correction in my opinion 17:54:00 although perhaps better would have been "\"the\" joke" 17:54:25 Yes, OK 17:56:50 -!- augur has joined. 18:02:47 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:10:39 -!- newsham_ has changed nick to newsham. 18:34:19 this morning i argued that nobody really defined their political position as "chaos" because that would be too dumb. thanks for proving me rong 18:35:58 -!- edwardk has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:45:52 -!- edwardk has joined. 18:50:45 -!- edwardk has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 19:13:20 -!- edwardk has joined. 19:16:11 Bike: who proved you wrong 19:17:34 -!- edwardk has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:20:49 do you have to ask 19:27:36 -!- edwardk has joined. 19:34:55 i see no proof here of his particular claim 19:35:02 or disproof i guess 19:35:10 I agree with you 19:35:11 i never really understood the lawful vs chaotic thin 19:35:13 *thing 19:35:57 like 'lawful good' only makes sense for deliberately obtuse cases like ais523 19:36:11 -!- mhi^ has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 19:36:47 it's a way of justifying roleplaying as goblin murderers. nothing much else to read into it. 19:36:53 Phantom_Hoover: it's to do with whether I character has rules for themselves which they strictly obey. there are few people that have this property in reality, so it's more of a gimmick to make a character easier to play while keeping it unique and 'in character' 19:38:26 Well, there are things in between too, at various degrees. 19:39:37 -!- mhi^ has joined. 19:40:47 -!- Speed` has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 19:41:56 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 19:44:28 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 19:47:25 My ideas for working of "detect alignment" spells are different from the common way where it is simply assumed that a character has an alignment and that one is detected. Rather I am using a different way: 19:50:21 The following points will have an affect on the detection: * What the target is currently doing and acting. * The recent past of effects of what they are commonly doing. * Alignment descriptors of creatures, spells, and active (not passive) magical objects. * If the target is a cleric, their deity. * If the caster is a cleric, their deity. * If cast directly (not from a scroll), the caster's personal prejudices have a minor effect on it too. 19:51:11 sounds hard to resolve 19:51:59 -!- augur has joined. 19:52:00 The first point above has also been made in a document saying that rule could be used in horror stories, however I have come up with that and all the other points independently, and for other reasons. 19:53:28 s/other reasons/different reasons/ 19:53:59 Due to the points above, it is possible for multiple alignments to register at once, for example if a man casts a spell with a good descriptor for evil purposes, or if the devil does something good for a change. 19:55:20 quintopia: You can fall back if you are unable to resolve it properly. 19:58:05 Bike: I do think that descripting your political position using one or two words doesn't explain a lot; you should be more specific. Such words can only describe it in general, not in specifics, and specifics are important too. 19:58:41 -!- drdanmaku has joined. 20:30:33 I am a sucker for maths books 20:31:33 Just acquired a friend's copy of Mathematical Methods for Physics and Engineering 20:50:33 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 20:58:59 -!- prooftechnique has quit (Quit: repeat 'z'). 21:02:15 -!- Patashu has joined. 21:02:58 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:05:37 -!- not^v has joined. 21:05:39 -!- nooodl has joined. 21:11:33 -!- conehead has joined. 21:18:53 -!- Patashu_ has joined. 21:18:53 -!- Patashu has quit (Disconnected by services). 21:23:15 -!- not^v has changed nick to ^3. 21:25:20 -!- Sgeo has joined. 21:25:37 -!- ^3 has quit (Read error: Connection timed out). 21:27:49 -!- Patashu_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 21:28:19 -!- oerjan has joined. 21:31:15 -!- not^v has joined. 21:33:37 "have you managed to unfuck my cluster?" 21:33:47 i always thought the joke was that it's true because all drow characters are drizzt knockoffs, you see <-- well that's the joke _i_ was referencing, anyway. 21:34:21 @tell Phantom_Hoover i always thought the joke was that it's true because all drow characters are drizzt knockoffs, you see <-- well that's the joke _i_ was referencing, anyway. 21:34:21 Consider it noted. 21:34:33 oerjan, obviously, yes 21:35:59 no it's about how we are all four ourselves in this world of grey areas [smoke's a weed] 21:36:49 i thought only the time cube guy was four himself 21:39:11 don't make me smoke another weed 21:39:35 have you tried dandelion man 21:39:44 that shit's just like 21:40:32 Phantom_Hoover: is this a bloom county reference 21:40:42 i dunno 21:40:43 maybe 21:44:24 #9 here http://www.thecomicstrips.com/subject/The-Dandelion-Comic-Strips-by-Bloom+County.php 21:45:23 #20 also good 21:45:36 -!- nooodl_ has joined. 21:47:29 * oerjan only checked the sunday strip ones, anyway 21:49:55 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 21:55:56 "I'm gonna look for less morbid questions for a while." if you say so, randall. 22:00:41 -!- nycs has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:01:13 -!- nycs has joined. 22:11:38 -!- edwardk has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:29:35 -!- not^v has changed nick to ^4. 22:34:16 -!- nooodl_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:34:34 -!- Lorenzo64 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:09:57 -!- yorick has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:13:26 the foglios need to get some tips from dmm on how to keep a webcomic schedule. 23:14:28 -!- edwardk has joined. 23:14:43 "If you are a member of Worldcon and want to vote for Girl Genius, ballots are due by August 1! If you want to vote for any of our admittedly excellent competitors, the deadline is August 2." 23:15:20 -!- ^4 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:20:30 -!- edwardk has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 23:20:49 what if i wanted to vote for a white dood? 23:20:55 evil? 23:22:13 what 23:22:19 i thought the foglios were, like, white 23:22:31 otherwise they have some _amazing_ makeup 23:22:41 dood = male 23:22:59 one of the foglios is male hth 23:24:10 he's... maybe making reference to the 'girl genius' part? 23:24:26 ssh i'm pretending not to understand that 23:26:34 @quote 23:26:35 EliezerYudkowsky says: Perfect software has an interface which is both telepathic and precognitive. 23:26:40 `quote 23:27:28 Phantom_Hoover: yeah but I was more wondering about the part where the joke made no sense and wasn't funny 23:31:10 girl geniuses are awesome and all 23:33:33 do you know what girl genius is 23:35:00 nope 23:36:52 that was my first guess 23:42:15 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 23:48:56 -!- boily has joined. 23:59:02 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: byely). 23:59:34 @tell oerjan byely? 23:59:34 Consider it noted.