< 1405814584 495770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am probably not going to implement printing, since the Famicom does not even have a printer (although it may be possible to invent a printer protocol using the tape port, but nothing currently exists as far as I know). Not implementing output to printer would probably speed it up too. < 1405815012 876813 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is actually a common-ish printer output format on Famiclones. < 1405815073 204132 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I didn't know that. What is it, and is it compatible with the Famicom keyboard? < 1405815091 389352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, do any emulators support this? < 1405815102 118153 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, yes. Said Famiclones use (basically) the Famicom keyboard as well.. < 1405815127 403347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what is the format? < 1405815129 950023 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basicqally, a couple of parallel port lines are address mapped on the cartridge port, so that certain memory reads can be used to bit-bang LPT. < 1405815136 741248 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://133fsb.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/famicom-compatible-printer-port-interface/ < 1405815146 589199 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any emulators that do it though. < 1405815228 848994 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps not the best way of doing it, but hey. It's actually in the wild. < 1405815261 221210 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if it exists, it would make sense to use a compatible protocol, I suppose. < 1405815295 376401 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it would be fairly simple to use the same mechanism in a more "legit" Famicom or NES cart. < 1405815314 63764 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it only uses lines that are on the cartridge port, you could just have a weird cartridge with a parallel port on it. < 1405815441 888038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think that would work. < 1405815509 91044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are similar things existing too; the FDS cartridge has a serial port on it, and I have also heard of a cartridge with Christmas lights on it. < 1405816848 785486 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What month is it < 1405816855 894258 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :july < 1405816958 577184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ramadan hth < 1405817112 207868 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, that means the new marvel film in like 11 days < 1405817120 238024 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also my house gets internet tomorrow! < 1405817397 129258 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.135 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1405818452 943252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1405818682 11135 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1405819040 184590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Maybe sleep < 1405819331 194338 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.135 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405819723 814475 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1405820574 614937 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random trivia: I live on (National Cycle) Route 66 < 1405821716 248917 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1405823000 194053 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.135 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1405823377 18371 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405823541 484886 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-52-20.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1405823543 770419 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1405834982 195650 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1405835493 358479 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1405838407 647174 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^4 < 1405839157 424098 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1405839186 41929 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1405839407 380884 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1405839598 658787 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1405839776 194504 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1405839776 411545 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1405840022 82959 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1405841571 283238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mciSendString "Set CDAudio Door Open", 0&, 0&, 0&: MsgBox "Error: Insert cup in cup holder and press any key." < 1405842174 898107 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1405842376 197208 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1405842474 462047 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1405842628 213334 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1405842777 635402 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1405842839 383542 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1405842842 829002 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nice < 1405842991 239204 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1405843268 912408 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1405843288 242569 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1405843517 364715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to do the exact cycle emulation of a 6502 core (including unofficial opcodes)? < 1405843750 665379 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1405843750 845766 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1405843993 666663 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ? < 1405844037 982632 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: looks like the dump can't be downloaded anymore? < 1405844113 371770 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I only have a few days rotation < 1405844141 141687 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably should change the script to not delete old files after there are only 3 files left :) < 1405844559 587474 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 day rotation < 1405844588 381877 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any dumps anymore if that was the question < 1405844646 641613 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird, since the last error occured at 2014-07-18 < 1405844671 533024 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't see any entries from 07-15, 07-16, 07-17 < 1405844690 404125 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-175-88-61.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1405845157 287852 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr QUIT :Quit: Cya! < 1405845261 591694 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My svn mirror is also broken < 1405845268 872304 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it uses the voxelperfect thingy < 1405845273 831159 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably too old < 1405845395 479525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. It restored all pages but the Main Page, and when I tried to restore that one manually, "A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software." < 1405845870 49757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I'll try running update.php and hope it fixes the dattabase. < 1405845949 865768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it would have been there in the history, too; just the new default main page was "on top" of it. < 1405845953 914091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1405846326 332387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the new copy should be up, but it'll again take a whole lotta time for DNS changes to propagate. In the meanwhile, you could try http://fail.esolangs.org/ < 1405846426 189573 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't edit that read only version of the wiki. It keeps complaining and giving an error :-( "The database has been locked for maintenance, so you will not be able to save your edits right now" < 1405846599 717617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I can't edit that read only version of the wiki" ... < 1405846836 425083 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1405847042 724224 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1405847155 102537 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1405847166 307523 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1405847168 176882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, the read-only version is read-only. < 1405847490 472430 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hmhdrfxhglppnkgv QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1405847978 203760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are 2 registered users, but most of them are spambots." < 1405848652 683932 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405850805 407097 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1405850930 814407 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for the read-only version :P < 1405851048 396651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is esolangs.org meant to point there? < 1405851050 813660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't, for me < 1405851372 68882 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't for me either < 1405851400 727886 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it'll again take a whole lotta time for theDNS changes to propagate" < 1405851512 211128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I didn't see that it required a DNS change. < 1405851551 663401 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1405851625 641219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you can regenerate recent changes < 1405851629 117218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a script in maintanence/ for it < 1405851826 453525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1405851908 668842 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any native english speakers present at this moment? < 1405852013 459064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hvem vet < 1405852046 401523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been known to correct the english of native speakers on occasion, though. < 1405852057 4184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes < 1405852090 274635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fails to remember whether he has corrected elliott, although probably, this is irc after all. < 1405852095 201745 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a walking shamefully man saw an under a grave burried dog" < 1405852101 941429 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ] grammatical [ ] not grammatical < 1405852117 187935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[*] awful < 1405852126 447780 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1405852149 217516 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a shamefully walking man (should that be the problem) < 1405852156 99295 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's supposed to be awful, but still grammatical < 1405852163 690545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :original does not parse, correction parses < 1405852173 829419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me reading the correction to figure out what the first was meant to be < 1405852187 956031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or my guess would be something like "a walking ashamed man" which isn't quite the same (but mostly I'd be confused) < 1405852190 637484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I ran it after the import, but perhaps running update.php re-messed it up. < 1405852196 174151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "grave burried dog" isn't quite right either. < 1405852209 905580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dog burrito < 1405852233 453156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, or possibly it's because of the 91-day $wgRCMaxAge. < 1405852278 197334 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's (under a grave burried) dog < 1405852284 179533 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a dog that's burried under a grave < 1405852289 689927 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, it's supposed to be that way :) < 1405852292 133360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, well, it's buried, but also that doesn't parse. < 1405852296 438236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grave-buried might, I guess < 1405852300 305885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very weird thing to say < 1405852302 866090 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1405852306 393744 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :a shamefully walking man and a buried dog under a grave? < 1405852314 914025 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be grammatical < 1405852317 295686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just say a buried dog, personally. < 1405852327 926275 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, me too < 1405852330 173798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those weird and their grammar germans < 1405852332 442148 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but using the same words < 1405852344 477852 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so english really doesn't allow to describe words that way < 1405852347 808955 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm shocked :( < 1405852353 391105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god that it doesn't < 1405852367 594328 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be really weird in English < 1405852381 834675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it's just that english is head initial with less complicated descriptions than german is < 1405852391 734279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out how to make Special:RecentChanges show anything older than a month, and since the dump I imported is from way back, it's pretty much empty. < 1405852398 58675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, I see. < 1405852403 751683 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that it's "unusual" but still grammatical < 1405852421 226872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: your original sentence is definitely too messed up for me to class as valid < 1405852423 637191 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing: Multiple words usually can't be used to describe a verb (i. e. "a buried under a grave dog" is invalid) < 1405852425 604520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: what you need to do is to get a medium and ask a victorian < 1405852427 238463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Putting "days=180" in the URL does show changes, if you're curious as to where it stopped.) < 1405852433 268139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like google translate output < 1405852442 418386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: you can do "a buried-under-a-grave dog" though < 1405852460 656208 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1405852468 305740 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyphens solve all your problems < 1405852471 134614 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat < 1405852473 144273 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which wouldn't make a difference when spoken < 1405852480 615827 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because speech doesn't really have hyphens :D < 1405852484 587371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a walking-shamefully man saw a buried-under-a-grave dog < 1405852492 218177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... "valid", I guess < 1405852496 902552 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :walking-shamefully? < 1405852498 761687 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn < 1405852501 166807 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1405852501 836530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's not valid, yeah. < 1405852504 262431 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :say that's valid < 1405852513 179026 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hit the enter key accidentally :P < 1405852515 598778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but compare "a dying-painfully man"? < 1405852517 323212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. < 1405852521 63970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's less awful than the original sentence. < 1405852521 833841 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :painfully-dying < 1405852523 933457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1405852555 689815 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1405852564 497405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a man walking shamefully saw a dog buried under a grave. head initial, i said! < 1405852565 125177 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a shawefully walking man saw a dog burried under a grave" < 1405852571 859373 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the not messed up version < 1405852578 643754 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :buried*, shamefully* < 1405852585 569801 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes < 1405852585 935177 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1405852589 93559 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :shavefully < 1405852593 904593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, "shamefully walking" is sitll pretty weird. < 1405852600 866321 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1405852609 361838 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's walking in shame? < 1405852610 785124 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, I don't think it is < 1405852619 613277 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's walking... shamefully. < 1405852657 262508 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1405852667 157254 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he dropped his fork < 1405852674 596063 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, shamefully walking works < 1405852675 557474 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is now shamefully walking towards the door to leave the room? < 1405852679 163979 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's valid < 1405852717 124479 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and while walking towards the door he sees a video on the TV about a dog being buried? :P < 1405852724 229569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's valid, it's just a weird thing to say. in general. the sentence. < 1405852728 995812 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because dropping the fork is really embarrasing in his country) < 1405852740 261703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sentence. it means nothing! < 1405852776 389470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you just need to do like the finns and make it into a competitive sport hth < 1405852872 232285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :george bernard was walking shawefully < 1405852951 354076 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I move we extend the severily limited english sentence structure < 1405852957 296801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: too bad with your seven years of bad luck < 1405852968 513528 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a german-ish sentence structure . < 1405853010 97962 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 200% as efficient < 1405853013 853788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that a very bad idea be would < 1405853076 274925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that that < 1405853126 30466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so what's with "oppia" becoming "opin"? < 1405853155 729105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what's that called in english < 1405853187 827217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's because -ppi- is an open syllable but -pin is a closed one < 1405853246 125185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a special case of some general rule < 1405853248 857866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1405853251 684237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you drop double letters in some cases? < 1405853258 989003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that simple < 1405853267 105134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not < 1405853310 785392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but consonants have two different forms dependent on whether they are followed by a syllable ending in a vowel or a consonant. < 1405853340 923149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes one form is "" < 1405853341 459451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See: consonant gradation. < 1405853347 192707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the word < 1405853361 324701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consonant_gradation#Finnish explains it a little bit. < 1405853403 499601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe the bit isn't all that little. < 1405853475 36936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But again, you don't need to think it through, because "oppin" just sounds wrong, while "opin" doesn't.) < 1405853603 844530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's your oppinion < 1405853622 995027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how will i get a sense of what sounds wrong < 1405853647 864155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just be born in finland hth < 1405853678 94067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh hth < 1405853695 376634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also don't leave early like a coward but stick with it. < 1405853700 425249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thus, not all weak grades occur in closed syllables, nor do all strong grades occur in open syllables." darn < 1405853717 981662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's even _more_ complicated than i thought hth < 1405853722 629072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :'( < 1405853858 922332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my conclusion is that finnish somehow manages to be agglutinative but still a mess at the same time < 1405853963 176262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, you know, it would make things too easy for foreign devils if we just stuck on suffixes willy-nilly. < 1405853985 585000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1405854002 72800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what words are good words to use as examples to try to put grammar together < 1405854011 523379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :without too many special cases and things < 1405854036 321764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :koira hth < 1405854039 404674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is "to eat" apparently "syödä"; where does the "dä" come from < 1405854044 383769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say "koira". < 1405854103 355656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: search for "modern Finnish infinitive ending" in the article fizzie linked < 1405854133 215258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually explains that with the similar word "juoda" < 1405854149 75861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_verb_conjugation#Infinitive_I < 1405854176 368494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It mentions "syödä".) < 1405854192 892637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok but my link explains how it happened historically < 1405854272 859939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd add a wisdom about koira if HackEgo were here :( < 1405854332 478260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the answer is "sometimes it's there for historical reasons"? < 1405854352 726855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what about a vs. ä? < 1405854361 833957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well _that_ is vowel harmony. < 1405854386 48513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :harmony with the ö? < 1405854387 375862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :common to all uralic languages i think < 1405854400 937761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the y. < 1405854415 625686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :sYÖdÄ, jUOdA. < 1405854418 281364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the idea is that all the weird vowels go together? < 1405854431 977953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not weird, they're front vs. back. < 1405854449 533439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except ie is counted as neutral. < 1405854480 633472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are foreign to my ears and mouth :'( < 1405854510 74172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones that exist in french were foreign-ish in my 4th grade french class < 1405854542 579089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and the harmony is normally determined by first syllable, except if that has only neutral vowesl, then later syllables can decide it too. < 1405854616 282327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be easier if i had followed fizzie's net advice < 1405854692 771456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well if it can help, i have the opposite problem; i have trouble distinguishing all of english's vowels that seem to me like variations on "o". < 1405854722 101862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones? < 1405854735 589907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the back rounded ones hth < 1405854774 665481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a clever self-referential sentence where it's the pronunciation of "rounded" and "ones" which is problemantic < 1405854793 72682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i speak english with a noticeable accent so i'm no authority < 1405854798 248941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1405854799 466329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also speak hebrew with a noticeable accent < 1405854809 714338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no language that i sound like a native speaker in anymore < 1405854923 95603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad < 1405855350 199424 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1405855662 492818 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1405856674 794400 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :< mroman> with a german-ish sentence structure . – Good luck reintroducing cases. < 1405857208 522211 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.135 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405857362 251023 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda cases < 1405857456 297276 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yle.fi/uutiset/finnair_admits_it_flies_over_ukraine_after_pr_blunder/7363384 < 1405857878 629824 :ais523__!5188f745@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.136.247.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405858001 616327 :ais523___!5188f745@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.136.247.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405858001 957719 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1405858064 218252 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1405858116 481791 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405858129 632735 :ais523__!5188f745@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.136.247.69 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1405858199 574078 :ais523___!5188f745@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.136.247.69 NICK :ais523__ < 1405861055 403793 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1405862218 60698 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405863052 495015 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting < 1405863317 855423 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1405863927 490196 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: You don't need cases < 1405863935 15432 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1405863937 455953 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.143.135 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1405863950 565933 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw the given to the man bird. < 1405863953 849316 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there. no cases required. < 1405864042 876272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not german structure, the given is far too early < 1405864080 147344 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say it has to be exactly like german < 1405864083 683079 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I expected a germanish structure to include shoving phrases around for focus. < 1405864098 609093 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1405864103 845809 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just adnominal phrases < 1405864119 609770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the to the man given bird saw i < 1405864142 386795 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay then. < 1405864145 277362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1405864153 262749 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1405864163 761737 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls “downgeloadet”. < 1405864173 165103 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the under the bridge driving through truck had no problem eating the yesterday bought sandwich. < 1405864200 89289 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A truck eating a sandwich? < 1405864207 230164 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1405864213 529454 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant to say truck driver I guess < 1405864232 701654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman crashed into the barn fell < 1405864259 741756 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's oddly ungrammatical < 1405864305 525234 :shikhout_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1405864329 725124 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman crashed into the next to a church located whimsically built barn < 1405864336 565334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i suggest googling "barn fell" hth < 1405864357 564108 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, that doesn't actually work though... < 1405864358 658100 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405864359 942320 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck barn fell < 1405864360 416570 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1405864363 194511 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405864366 816854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA < 1405864367 431866 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 201320Z 16009KT 130V190 CAVOK 29/12 Q1018 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 17014KT < 1405864380 989393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1405864399 333542 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the horse (raced past the barn) fell < 1405864399 862106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am wondering if i would i have been better turning the ventilation _off_ earlier today when it was still cool < 1405864400 302379 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1405864402 766084 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah see < 1405864406 816650 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :your sentence structure sucks ;D < 1405864423 397308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: um it was a joke duh < 1405864426 868294 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the past the barn raced horse fell < 1405864431 241640 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouldn't have that problem ;) < 1405864453 606478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you realize that sentence is constructed precisely to _have_ that problem < 1405864459 260351 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1405864468 284085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1405864497 420052 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1405864618 741610 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I the cave cave in < 1405864927 124242 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sanity. it is disappearing at an alarming rate. < 1405864951 220936 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1405865038 323212 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure somebody wrote a book with only garden path sentences < 1405865097 193556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1405865097 793291 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 201300Z 16003KT 30SM SCT150 BKN180 BKN240 23/15 A3016 RMK AC4AC1CI1 SLP214 DENSITY ALT 700FT < 1405865107 804993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: not because of heat, i take < 1405865700 767936 :shikhout_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1405866103 75029 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because you guys are unusually grammatical today hth < 1405866156 507976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :htd < 1405866244 613115 :ais523___!5e1e6950@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.30.105.80 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405866340 623009 :ais523__!5188f745@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.136.247.69 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1405866350 885588 :ais523___!5e1e6950@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.30.105.80 NICK :ais523__ < 1405866553 613256 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1405866742 988417 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405867071 117490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1405867071 804847 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 201420Z 31006KT 9999 FEW040TCU BKN200 23/17 Q1018 NOSIG < 1405867478 744806 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: NOSIG CHICKEN < 1405867480 542411 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1405867632 320889 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1405867920 61507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar LOWI < 1405867928 725664 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1405869500 905081 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1405890382 965503 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.139.44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405890592 195259 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1405891399 401566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1405891460 194224 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1405891797 469653 :MoALTz_!~no@user-31-175-88-61.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1405891986 385104 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-175-88-61.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1405892525 40124 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's a readonly wiki now < 1405892588 792049 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gasp*! < 1405892738 279581 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, I can't see it? < 1405892766 278530 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: strange < 1405892830 809319 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to make an array of function pointers in a C program? < 1405892917 391997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: int (*foo[123])(int, char *) or something? < 1405892990 501876 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1405893278 381168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You can try http://fail.esolangs.org/ if you still have the old address for plain esolangs.org somewhere in a DNS cache. < 1405893317 364371 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, thanks < 1405893341 965939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also typedef int func(int, char *); func *foo[123]; may be more readable. (The "array of function pointers" isn't so bad, but the "function returning a pointer to function" is nastier.) < 1405893416 710252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's int (*foo(int))(char); for a function called "foo" that takes an int, and returns an int (*)(char). < 1405893925 449252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that easy to read now because I internalised declaration-follows-use :/ < 1405893947 241986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think typedef is probably more clear, too and is generally how I do it < 1405893980 701785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the syntax features in C for type specifications are a bit stupid. < 1405894019 129438 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ought to actually learn C at some point < 1405894037 865530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started writing a program called "nanozil" which is compiling into Z-machine code and now you can write such thing as: [DEFINE GETP [[CUSTOM-VALUE 17 1 #$]]] is how a macro can be made up. < 1405894442 869815 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vwodwyfhlbkgywyp JOIN :#esoteric < 1405895265 13284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1405895283 426247 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1405896175 384773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1405896796 668064 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1405896980 5928 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1405898716 585144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haneb < 1405898730 392132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how're the categories going < 1405899730 730561 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Learn C and learn Rust < 1405899801 401190 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Taneb fell asleep in another chännel... < 1405899823 184081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then combine them into the revolutionary language Crust < 1405899894 588350 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat a hot dog. like a real good one, grilled, with like, mustard and shit. < 1405899920 233308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think shit goes well with hot dogs Bike < 1405899944 629320 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a disgusting thing to say, sir < 1405899980 937688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo Bike. Yike < 1405900009 496446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am sorry sir, but the disgustible matter was all in your original comment < 1405900012 541050 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds