< 1406073769 96201 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406073774 737597 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi amenghra < 1406073783 500887 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi brrr < 1406073795 955115 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1406073805 703370 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you working on < 1406073858 533695 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing? < 1406073890 707377 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1406073913 502675 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have more outstanding projects than i can remember < 1406073931 523959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yin meet yang < 1406073940 181273 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1406073963 908153 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only became aware of brainfuck last week :s < 1406074009 165307 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nah we're not opposites. i'm not working on most of those things < 1406074022 880377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :brrr: Well, now you do! Have you written any program in brainfuck or any brainfuck interpreter by now? < 1406074057 861122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: maybe you're one of those inside spots < 1406074067 36820 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1406074083 506246 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I haven't and I'm not sure I will lol < 1406074171 844406 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still fascinating nonetheless < 1406074922 310585 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1406075278 168666 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1406075787 104708 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1406076416 5362 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406079898 387505 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:88f:1c2c:994e:d306 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1406079923 487518 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:5e7:b33a:7164:ae80 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406080010 270260 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1406080702 102700 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1406080930 146167 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406081451 275990 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1406081637 307014 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1406081670 234513 :MoALTz__!~no@user-5-173-212-113.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1406081831 451831 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-212-113.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1406081867 78281 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! 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< 1406096803 287666 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1406097248 821079 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1406098715 196012 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406098904 537067 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1406100086 428858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1406100092 972406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :World < 1406100276 409142 :conehead!~conehead@cpe-67-10-235-179.gt.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1406100276 589733 :conehead!~conehead@cpe-67-10-235-179.gt.res.rr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1406100276 589865 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1406100604 901463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to type more questions so that you can guess about the level20.tex even if you have not read it (or if you have, see if you can remember!) < 1406101998 880189 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406102511 733509 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1406102578 941357 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1406104877 703451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's far too hot here hth < 1406105353 912673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140723-gmap.png that's an interesting look for Google Maps. < 1406105370 724328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's showing me a glimpse of some sort of alternative reality. < 1406105506 290595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i discovered today that if i type "helsinki weather" into google it doesn't give me the answer < 1406105530 950367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did this use to not be the case? < 1406105549 566161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the links i clicked on give me the answer in fahrenheit :'( < 1406105715 187961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever typed "helsinki weather" into Google. < 1406105727 814746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1406105763 809889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know other ways of finding out the weather anymore < 1406105796 617765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally just type "for" in the address bar[*], and press enter to select the autocompleted http://www.foreca.fi/Finland/Espoo which stays on top of the list since I visit it so often. ([*] technically I think it's the "OmniBox") < 1406105814 553019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly "out" for http://outside.aalto.fi/ < 1406105835 257008 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just go to weather.elec.york.ac.uk < 1406105879 871617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Heh, that's a Finnish weather station you folks have there. < 1406105897 992252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it says so right in the infobox too. < 1406105923 498697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's p. detailed but most of the time the weather i am interested in is not in finland < 1406105956 689798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreca does global weather, but it's probably not any better (or worse) than its competitors. < 1406105962 313108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have a friend who worked there. < 1406105992 295713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loyalty and all that. Even though he left some years ago. < 1406106022 308868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used to have more "techy"-looking weather page from some lab or another, I don't know if it's still up. < 1406106091 978348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the Department of Radio Science and Engineering, I think. < 1406106246 407465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there are still some references to it here and there, but it seems to have gotten lost during the latest university website revamp. < 1406106277 95009 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1406106296 994364 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406107546 923103 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1406107912 808917 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1406107913 785726 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1406108867 797904 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1406109094 401685 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406109236 632119 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1406109690 814071 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vujqdqtzaujfxzse QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1406110007 247357 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1406110471 845097 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406110536 591260 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1406113201 851933 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1406113225 408289 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1406113776 294716 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DUALIST CHICKEN < 1406116316 164207 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1406116385 795478 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1406116640 367293 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1406116740 469899 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:f997:7b7:78d:e16f JOIN :#esoteric < 1406116909 235076 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1406118465 890651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1406118716 466055 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:f997:7b7:78d:e16f QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1406121096 145129 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1406121450 749691 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406121988 357436 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1406123598 485601 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1406124439 198959 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v < 1406124992 732586 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1406125800 678355 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406127549 566215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (m a, m b) -> m (a, b) < 1406127551 364960 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1406129977 189385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1406130230 206376 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type uncurry $ liftA2 (,) < 1406130231 71700 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => (f a, f b) -> f (a, b) < 1406130334 233276 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1406130898 581165 :^8!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:5e7:b33a:7164:ae80 NICK :^v < 1406131473 473139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, signals in Openttd are probably worth a mention on the esowiki: it's just like TeX in that it provides you primitives for what you usually want to do, but people always want to do more complicated things and they invent crazy ways to abuse those primitives to do things they weren't meant to do < 1406131588 847690 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an editable wiki yet? < 1406131607 709373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1406131613 110299 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1406131624 255431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1406131632 167098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard anything from Reg Rorg. < 1406131644 933530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:08:59] -!- idle : 9 days 17 hours 41 mins 0 secs [signon: Thu Jul 10 05:19:40 2014] < 1406131666 791715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is disheartening. < 1406131676 424218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Did you see my OpenTTD thing? < 1406131712 689833 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, what openttd thing? < 1406131715 875249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://zem.fi/2005-10-21-ttd-logic -- it's from way back in 2005. < 1406131726 457304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a 4-bit adder in OpenTTD. < 1406131739 275637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: email? < 1406131751 472022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But that's so RUDE. < 1406131777 185328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice < 1406131847 497172 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1406131946 890555 :ZuuPancake!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :ZuuHawking < 1406132126 985668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, those look like slow trains < 1406132148 90561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm not made out of money! < 1406132172 997183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also break down a lot. < 1406132178 653593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's a bit silly. < 1406132206 790100 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if this can be improved < 1406132247 198927 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :path signals don't generally seem to help this kind of complicated stuff much, but it might help; and maybe it can be improved without path signals too < 1406132250 184054 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1406132255 187049 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not good in openttd signals < 1406132259 10707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is very likely. It's kind of a least-effort thing. < 1406132261 24434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only do basic stuff < 1406132270 611250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably predates "path signals"; at least I hadn't heard of them. < 1406132292 835039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was from 0.4.something. < 1406132303 351927 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand some of the practical signal designs either < 1406132367 345898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.openttd.org/Signals#Path_signals says path signals are new in 0.7 < 1406132378 347043 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used ottd 1.1 and 1.2 < 1406132391 197585 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe pre-signals come from ttdx < 1406132410 805756 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1406132413 618064 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from ttdpatch probably < 1406132442 149180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I needed a "new pathfinding" thing for those gates to work. < 1406132444 246219 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, http://wiki.openttd.org/Comparison_of_OpenTTD_and_TTDPatch_features says pre-signals come from ttdpatch < 1406132512 205536 :Guest99147!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-jyrzkojolxmzhagd QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1406132531 433341 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but new pathfinding is now old and obsolate, there's an even newer pathfinding < 1406132600 616615 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's usually better than every previous one < 1406132601 658023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Is it actually called that? < 1406132607 562714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1406132610 806092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. :/ < 1406132654 65202 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called YAPF for yet another pathfinder < 1406132927 510035 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406132962 480363 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the record, openttd website is http://www.openttd.org , irc channel is on OFTC network #openttd < 1406133075 25677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the ways to "abuse" the primitives in TeX to do more complicated things are even described in the official documentation. < 1406133196 753435 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-212-113.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1406133259 450566 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1406133286 235380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have managed to make TeX programs to sort an index, to parse algebraic chess notation, and to calculate when Easter is. < 1406133357 299149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well sure, even with a whole appending for it, you can't expect Knuth to invent all the esoteric uses < 1406133368 693648 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ding/dix/ < 1406133428 963603 :Andrea2!~canaima@186.94.111.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406133454 846018 :Andrea2!~canaima@186.94.111.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-) < 1406133464 937807 :Andrea2!~canaima@186.94.111.231 PART :#esoteric < 1406133580 536921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared. < 1406133583 132854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, although the primitives in TeX are more than good enough. < 1406133591 902345 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406133670 603426 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1406133716 603222 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone had even submitted a solution in TeX for the mars rover ICFP contest, though there the real strange part is that I don't understand why they didn't use metapost instead -- maybe because metapost has only barely enough IO primitives < 1406133725 977344 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he claimed he simple doesn't know metapost enough < 1406133775 293258 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got the Judges' Prize < 1406133778 34302 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~sheard/2008IcfpContest/results/ < 1406133864 344432 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people have implemented extensions to TeX to do such thing as multiple types of marks, but I have managed to do precisely that without any extensions whatsoever! < 1406133911 844763 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1406133912 905618 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, there are lots of extensions to TeX, some of them even seem to come from a very reasonable need, such as better unicode support in the core or bidi writing < 1406133976 981684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to just use the non-extended TeX; it does more than I need. < 1406133985 657897 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly, metapost is sort of a big extension to metafont: it completely replaces the picture handling while leaving most of the other parts alone, < 1406133996 126961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use other extensions if you want but I don't want it. < 1406134048 953492 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also plans to change metapost to replace the whole number computation part with mpfr bigfloats, but that might not have enough pull to get a release ever. < 1406134097 449403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use pdftex mostly < 1406134106 542821 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which replaces the dvi writer part < 1406134108 477727 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also explicitly do not want Unicode support in the core; I prefer the way it is handled by TeX fonts normally. And if UTF-8 decoding is wanted, well, it is possible to do that in the ordinary TeX. < 1406134129 641598 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, LaTeX already does utf-8 decoding, mostly < 1406134148 458640 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the decoding is not the hard part < 1406134158 408219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I want DVI output. I prefer DVI over PDF anyways. < 1406134174 53240 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting ordinary typesetting with hyphenation working properly when you have more than 256 characters is the hard part < 1406134235 869645 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the automatic hyphenation engine just doesn't do that < 1406134254 404161 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, Vietnamese doesn't need hyphenation much < 1406134277 775602 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406134317 25643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I have written a program in TeX to decode UTF-8 (simply to show how it is possible), I am not using it since I prefer typing everything using the ASCII commands. Also the main document is written in languages that don't need that many characters (either that, or don't need hyphenation), and other parts of the document that aren't in such language, generally don't need to be hyphenated. < 1406134323 995482 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this still forces people to use multiple incompatible crazy font encoding sets, each of which try to fit as many relevant characters in the 256 limit as possible < 1406134370 625808 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus now we have the crazy T1 font encoding < 1406134403 13813 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and incomprehensible box dumps of course < 1406134461 553999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like T1 and stuff I prefer the format used by METAFONT; it is much better. < 1406134480 985434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1406134485 641385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't matter that the encodings are incompatible because you can use TeX commands and control sequences and whatever. < 1406134495 9618 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is simpler and far more sensible, I think. < 1406134503 837596 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course < 1406134509 637377 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a font encoding, not an input encoding < 1406134512 642631 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you can use characters which do not belong to Unicode. < 1406134513 855874 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't enter text in it < 1406134567 752051 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that (a) 256 characters is just too short space which is why there are multiple different font encodings, and if you have text mixing two languages that don't fit in one text encoding, you're up against a very difficult task, < 1406134582 292352 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (b) incomprehensible box dumps in error messages < 1406134631 745885 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for characters that do not belong to unicode, well sure, in that case you'll have to find a private encoding for those characters < 1406134639 288167 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TFM and DVI and the GF and PK graphic formats do support up to 32-bit characters actually. < 1406134661 541275 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, those do, < 1406134670 392785 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the TeX core itself that's the problem < 1406134672 845635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, only the low 8-bits decide the metrics (and ligature/kerning), and TeX only will use 8-bits. < 1406134695 157290 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But because of how DVI works, you can easily write postprocessors for DVI that will do all sorts of fixing up on it! < 1406134708 22268 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, plus there's ligatures and kerning and hyphenation < 1406134719 969919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which the TeX core itself must handle < 1406134770 845586 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :256 characters turn out to be just barely enough in practice if enough magic is used < 1406134785 273238 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually < 1406134798 495225 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is what I say it is enough. < 1406134803 961497 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1406134829 24446 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406134883 473679 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the cases where it isn't, you won't generally need metrics, ligatures, hyphenation, etc anyways. For example Chinese. In such a case you could have a postprocessor to fix the DVI file. You may have some character codes with zero size and some with nonzero size, and the postprocessor then replaces the combination with 32-bit character codes having the same resulting nonzero size. < 1406134906 13656 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what limits characters in a font to at most 16 different heights and depth by the way? is it only the tex core, or also TFM? < 1406134953 809214 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think an even bigger problem is text with mixed directionality though < 1406134965 538726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having to do with TFM format. < 1406134996 901258 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1406135016 60670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"some character codes with zero size and some with nonzero size" sounds like a nice trick. that might work. < 1406135020 817467 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still a workaround, but it might work < 1406135068 338999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are extensions for mixed directionality, but I think it would be confusing to line wrap right-to-left text in left-to-right documents anyways, and it is better to disable line wrapping inside of such reversed text. < 1406135072 953768 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is Omega TeX any good? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_%28TeX%29 < 1406135073 953577 :amenghra!~amenghra@99-127-231-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1406135171 770699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, as I have not tried it, but I have no use for it. < 1406135176 235798 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no idea. nor about XeTeX either. I don't really know how good all the other pimped up TeXs are, I only heared they exist, I never tried to learn how they work. < 1406135210 949393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also thing it is probably not good enough even to use Unicode since it is only 16-bits) < 1406135261 759028 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the link I gave says it's no longer being developed and points to luatex instead. < 1406135262 34459 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that doesn't really work out well. you need to be able to wrap opposite direction text, even if it is confusing and proper software _is_ hard to implement. just like how you need to wrap inline formulas too. < 1406135270 213794 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :typesetting is complicated. < 1406135290 25342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I mean it is confusing to *read* too, not only to write. < 1406135302 516745 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: is XeTeX still developped? does it use unicode? < 1406135313 821245 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1406135330 766552 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it can be, if you as an author of the text do it wrong. and other text can be confusing to read too. the software is not enough. < 1406135368 406324 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's always burden on the author or typesetter professional too. < 1406135420 124065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, such software exists as TeX-XeT and you can use if you like to, but I have no use for line wrapping embedded reversed text. < 1406135425 38603 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the wikipedia looks like it's yes for both, though development is slow. < 1406135437 827434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called TeX-XeT, not XeTeX? or is that two different things? < 1406135447 809525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Those are two different things. < 1406135448 744403 :mshock!~mshock@pool-72-64-105-212.dllstx.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406135450 102502 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1406135456 111370 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm using pdflatex myself but I don't really need Unicode) < 1406135465 364614 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's of course lots of non-tex-derived software too < 1406135493 249426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there is. < 1406135519 25491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I find the best typesetting software is TeX without extensions. < 1406135602 10275 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1406135606 621894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A postprocessor is useful however, in order to do such thing as combine pages, make use of full 32-bit character codes, make the file size smaller, expand virtual fonts, etc) < 1406135813 429538 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1406137211 573365 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:b024:3949:7263:2c53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406137463 120259 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1406138036 502652 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:b024:3949:7263:2c53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1406138355 937324 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1406139213 878643 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:a1a2:76e:78ff:15bf JOIN :#esoteric < 1406139437 490313 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1406139451 216683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I notice Z-machine documentation says: "The encoding algorithm used to create the string also specifies that whenever the current character to be encoded is not in the current permanent character set, the following character is examined. If there is a following character (i.e. not at end of string) and that character is in the same set as the current one, a permanent shift is used. Otherwise a temporary shift is used." < 1406139500 291761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume this is from before they extended the FWORDS table to 96 entries, because this is no longer efficient, and Infocom clearly understood that as they have programmed their compilers to never use permanent shifts. < 1406139529 530118 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, it isn't that simple: intervening spaces and fwords should be ignored when making such considerations. < 1406139916 507460 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1406140004 559093 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:a1a2:76e:78ff:15bf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1406140270 613582 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406140342 562330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406140798 319416 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-22360.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1406141298 77849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1406141308 21467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406141981 80382 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406142442 946412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1406142553 470989 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1406143213 362175 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-22360.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1406143245 166809 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1406143529 765127 :mshock!~mshock@pool-72-64-105-212.dllstx.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1406143683 543044 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1406143692 798728 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1406143759 350640 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-22360.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1406143818 751586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406143944 282810 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1406145056 204218 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1406145155 518311 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1406145356 687849 :mshock!~mshock@pool-72-64-105-212.dllstx.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406146427 330303 :ZuuHawking!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :Zuu < 1406146679 113325 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1406146892 552033 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:5e7:b33a:7164:ae80 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1406147067 642551 :mshock!~mshock@pool-72-64-105-212.dllstx.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1406147192 310045 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406147618 28448 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:6d15:367c:896e:74e4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406147893 779490 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406147989 872277 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1406148202 958492 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406148249 273877 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1406148287 790101 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1406148370 303072 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1406148406 69133 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1406148468 647049 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :AfkSoul < 1406148675 566129 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 NICK :^4 < 1406149046 753650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1406150215 33538 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1406150387 942128 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1406150451 485423 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: return () < 1406151249 2943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who will help you to beat MEDIUM_SIZE_MONSTER in Super ASCII MZX Town? [a] Aaron Black [b] Aberration Hater [c] BIG_MONSTER [d] Dave [e] David [f] Dr.Gray [g] Monty Python [h] SMALL_MONSTER [i] The International Astronomical Conspiracy [j] The queen of heaven [k] The Spanish Inquisition [l] The spider [m] The talking tree [n] YHVH [o] (None of the above) [p] (Exactly four of the above) < 1406151456 353995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: [a] < 1406151474 949456 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing [p], but I don't know the answer < 1406151481 465374 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-212-113.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1406151494 888405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! Try again please! ("Aaron Black" is my name, but that is not a character in the game so it doesn't count.) < 1406151502 441371 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Which four do you expect? < 1406151521 547549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But will you help me to bear MEDIUM_SIZE_MONSTER in Super ASCII MZX Town? < 1406151527 445584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And [p] is wrong anyways.) < 1406151533 469466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :beat < 1406151540 420857 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't expect 4 in particular, but that seems to be around the number of options that seems likely to be correct < 1406151548 476503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, you have to do it by yourself. < 1406151558 708317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Well, you are wrong. < 1406151575 689353 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that often happens when I guess < 1406151576 797479 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: computer bullshit time < 1406151588 670497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: :-( < 1406151601 157168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Yes it is to be expected consider there is many possible choices. < 1406151613 828440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, there is other characters in the game and other things in the game that can help with such thing, though. < 1406151641 788369 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-212-113.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1406151647 392207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I was counting on your help. < 1406151648 989204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :d16 < 1406151649 169557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 8 < 1406151657 98519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My new guess is [h] < 1406151682 857387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I thought you would guess next, but wrong. < 1406151697 993286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to make a "educated" guess rather than just at random. < 1406151725 279142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes your first guess is wrong though, but it is OK, make a second and third guess, and earn second and third points. < 1406151808 257329 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the question is ambiguous < 1406151824 907539 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it about which of those entities would be helpful in the fight, if they joined in? or is it about which ones are willing to join in? < 1406151837 653335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: O, sorry. I mean which ones are willing to join in. < 1406151849 53798 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case I guess [b] < 1406151850 549813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And do, in the presence of the game.) < 1406151867 995895 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406151872 408547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I would make an "educated" guess but I'm "uneducated". < 1406151880 991981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just what is willing but what actually does, is what it means. Even if they like to but can't, then it doesn't count! < 1406151888 649195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it Dave from DAVE.EXE? < 1406151891 585148 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Wrong again... < 1406151894 591182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dangerous Dave < 1406151897 581080 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. < 1406151918 837142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case my educated guess is [l]. < 1406151945 833041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are getting a bit closer because it is an actual character in the game. But... no. < 1406151946 419560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember Dangerous Dave, though? Good times. < 1406152066 884321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I have heard of it, yes. < 1406152097 429060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[c] < 1406152103 149207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1406152111 749199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone else is so bad at this < 1406152136 125015 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm with elliott on this, specifically, the part about people who aren't me being bad, because the answer is [ß]. < 1406152157 569275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Good guess, but that isn't one of the choices! < 1406152172 894302 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reject your arbitrary restrictions. < 1406152180 552950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then. < 1406152188 441076 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1406152283 698850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make up your own "arbitrary restrictions". < 1406152367 566347 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, then I restrict the answer to be necessarily [ß]. < 1406152387 822402 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, this restriction is unnecessary, but makes it easier to understand the rightness of my thinking. < 1406152400 465596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then, but now there isn't a correct answer because the only valid one is the wrong answer. < 1406152429 949656 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that reminds me of a joke NPC in Pokémon, who asks where you come from < 1406152432 77703 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I restrict the correct answer to be necessarily [ß]. Problem solved. < 1406152436 34815 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the only answers they'll accept are yes and no < 1406152455 397607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: O, I have seen that screenshot < 1406152483 297320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do not know if either of those is the correct answer? < 1406152620 933206 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there is no correct answer, either answer will just get you a reply < 1406152631 921792 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as "no? well you have to come from somewhere, maybe you were born at the bottom of the sea?" something like that < 1406152651 625110 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither reply has any effect on the game, and you can have the question asked to you multiple times or not at all < 1406152655 549249 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY ARE ALL MY TABLETOP SESSIONS CURSED TO BE INDEFINITELY DELAYED < 1406152684 1827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: For how long is it delayed so far? < 1406152752 272811 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, we were going to have a session last month for the D&D game, but it's looking September at the earliest < 1406152769 761044 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The werewolf game is in a similar situation < 1406152789 188803 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Scions game was supposed to be today, but has been delayed until the week after next < 1406152804 676288 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Diana game isn't going to happen until October most likely < 1406152817 593543 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's good for me because I'm GM'ing that one < 1406152871 330155 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gives me time to prepare < 1406152872 809172 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406152893 286628 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406153021 937284 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1406153572 981371 :^4!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1406153722 195891 :not^v!~notnot^v@150.198.1.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406153749 217131 :not^v!~notnot^v@150.198.1.2 NICK :^4 < 1406153782 289346 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406153822 193364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1406153830 773467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes the D&D game I play in is also delayed but not that much and it is unknown exactly when it is going to be at. < 1406153857 166828 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1406154067 338351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is disheartening. <-- on the plus side he's american so his vacations are probably not _that_ long. < 1406154112 50455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait he's no longer idle < 1406154138 194100 :mshock!~mshock@pool-72-64-105-212.dllstx.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406154139 887067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blinks
< 1406154155 361415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE < 1406154156 500987 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE < 1406154257 733530 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo usuk < 1406154258 475814 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :usuk < 1406154273 761163 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :US/UK!? < 1406154290 511372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably some inuit greeting < 1406154345 888794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an informal one, with the formal one being usiuktukartatussituk < 1406154731 374877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's called YAPF for yet another pathfinder <-- has anyone used YAY as a recursive acronym yet < 1406154954 145425 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, Another YAY < 1406154992 253309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm scared. <-- i had to check the raw logs to confirm my suspicion of why you said that. < 1406155011 185274 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't me this time! < 1406155024 393178 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it was < 1406155025 525821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1406155025 954465 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it? < 1406155042 199975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i believe it was Andrea2 < 1406155095 125316 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1406155099 209753 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to try harder < 1406155126 912782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time a canaima user comes along, we have to try to extract how they found us < 1406155170 962093 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we have any regulars who actually speak Spanish? < 1406155213 798453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there are some who know a bit < 1406155375 35377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yiyus looks promising, although i don't remember last e talked < 1406155377 641949 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I need to try harder in general, really < 1406155599 529939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and although je.je.je might attract spanish people, it doesn't mean e is one < 1406155719 79464 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ====> sleep
< 1406155808 286392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not trying harder, how can be scary without a properly f'ed up sleeping schedule < 1406155816 948497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ca nyo < 1406155828 755194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty ping ishard < 1406156284 383218 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-22360.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Quit: Tritonio < 1406156364 5118 :^4!~notnot^v@150.198.1.2 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1406156599 541895 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1406156728 236850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, a new parting gif < 1406158326 786781 :vifino!~vifino@37.24.78.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406158619 891432 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1406158647 446051 :vifino!~vifino@37.24.78.77 QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1406158832 193868 :mshock!~mshock@pool-72-64-105-212.dllstx.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds