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00:02:54 <quintopia> hi amenghra
00:03:03 <quintopia> hi brrr
00:03:15 <brrr> hi
00:03:25 <quintopia> what you working on
00:04:18 <brrr> nothing?
00:04:50 <quintopia> oh
00:05:13 <quintopia> i have more outstanding projects than i can remember
00:05:31 <oerjan> yin meet yang
00:05:40 <brrr> heh
00:06:03 <brrr> I only became aware of brainfuck last week :s
00:06:49 <quintopia> oerjan: nah we're not opposites. i'm not working on most of those things
00:07:02 <zzo38> brrr: Well, now you do! Have you written any program in brainfuck or any brainfuck interpreter by now?
00:07:37 <oerjan> quintopia: maybe you're one of those inside spots
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00:08:03 <brrr> zzo38: I haven't and I'm not sure I will lol
00:09:31 <brrr> but it's still fascinating nonetheless
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07:21:26 <zzo38> Hello
07:21:32 <zzo38> World
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07:30:04 <zzo38> I should try to type more questions so that you can guess about the level20.tex even if you have not read it (or if you have, see if you can remember!)
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08:41:17 <shachaf> oerjan: it's far too hot here hth
08:49:13 <fizzie> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140723-gmap.png that's an interesting look for Google Maps.
08:49:30 <fizzie> I think it's showing me a glimpse of some sort of alternative reality.
08:51:46 <shachaf> fizzie: i discovered today that if i type "helsinki weather" into google it doesn't give me the answer
08:52:10 <shachaf> did this use to not be the case?
08:52:29 <shachaf> all the links i clicked on give me the answer in fahrenheit :'(
08:55:15 <fizzie> I don't think I've ever typed "helsinki weather" into Google.
08:55:27 <shachaf> oh
08:56:03 <shachaf> i don't know other ways of finding out the weather anymore
08:56:36 <fizzie> I generally just type "for" in the address bar[*], and press enter to select the autocompleted http://www.foreca.fi/Finland/Espoo which stays on top of the list since I visit it so often. ([*] technically I think it's the "OmniBox")
08:56:54 <fizzie> Or possibly "out" for http://outside.aalto.fi/
08:57:15 <Taneb> I just go to weather.elec.york.ac.uk
08:57:59 <fizzie> Taneb: Heh, that's a Finnish weather station you folks have there.
08:58:17 <fizzie> Oh, it says so right in the infobox too.
08:58:43 <shachaf> that's p. detailed but most of the time the weather i am interested in is not in finland
08:59:16 <fizzie> Foreca does global weather, but it's probably not any better (or worse) than its competitors.
08:59:22 <fizzie> I just have a friend who worked there.
08:59:52 <fizzie> Loyalty and all that. Even though he left some years ago.
09:00:22 <fizzie> We used to have more "techy"-looking weather page from some lab or another, I don't know if it's still up.
09:01:31 <fizzie> From the Department of Radio Science and Engineering, I think.
09:04:06 <fizzie> Yes, there are still some references to it here and there, but it seems to have gotten lost during the latest university website revamp.
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14:59:09 <oerjan> @hoogle (m a, m b) -> m (a, b)
14:59:11 <lambdabot> No results found
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15:43:50 <Taneb> @type uncurry $ liftA2 (,)
15:43:51 <lambdabot> Applicative f => (f a, f b) -> f (a, b)
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16:04:33 <b_jonas> you know, signals in Openttd are probably worth a mention on the esowiki: it's just like TeX in that it provides you primitives for what you usually want to do, but people always want to do more complicated things and they invent crazy ways to abuse those primitives to do things they weren't meant to do
16:06:28 <quintopia> is there an editable wiki yet?
16:06:47 <b_jonas> no
16:06:53 <b_jonas> afaik
16:07:04 <fizzie> No.
16:07:12 <fizzie> I haven't heard anything from Reg Rorg.
16:07:24 <fizzie> [19:08:59] -!- idle : 9 days 17 hours 41 mins 0 secs [signon: Thu Jul 10 05:19:40 2014]
16:07:46 <fizzie> It is disheartening.
16:07:56 <fizzie> b_jonas: Did you see my OpenTTD thing?
16:08:32 <b_jonas> fizzie: no, what openttd thing?
16:08:35 <fizzie> b_jonas: http://zem.fi/2005-10-21-ttd-logic -- it's from way back in 2005.
16:08:46 <fizzie> There's a 4-bit adder in OpenTTD.
16:08:59 <elliott> fizzie: email?
16:09:11 <fizzie> elliott: But that's so RUDE.
16:09:37 <b_jonas> fizzie: nice
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16:15:26 <b_jonas> fizzie: hmm, those look like slow trains
16:15:48 <fizzie> Well, I'm not made out of money!
16:16:12 <fizzie> They also break down a lot.
16:16:18 <fizzie> Yeah, it's a bit silly.
16:16:46 <b_jonas> I wonder if this can be improved
16:17:27 <b_jonas> path signals don't generally seem to help this kind of complicated stuff much, but it might help; and maybe it can be improved without path signals too
16:17:30 <b_jonas> I don't know
16:17:35 <b_jonas> I'm not good in openttd signals
16:17:39 <fizzie> It is very likely. It's kind of a least-effort thing.
16:17:41 <b_jonas> I only do basic stuff
16:17:50 <fizzie> It probably predates "path signals"; at least I hadn't heard of them.
16:18:12 <fizzie> This was from 0.4.something.
16:18:23 <b_jonas> I don't understand some of the practical signal designs either
16:19:27 <b_jonas> http://wiki.openttd.org/Signals#Path_signals says path signals are new in 0.7
16:19:38 <b_jonas> I've used ottd 1.1 and 1.2
16:19:51 <b_jonas> I believe pre-signals come from ttdx
16:20:10 <b_jonas> no wait
16:20:13 <b_jonas> from ttdpatch probably
16:20:42 <fizzie> Yes. I needed a "new pathfinding" thing for those gates to work.
16:20:44 <b_jonas> yep, http://wiki.openttd.org/Comparison_of_OpenTTD_and_TTDPatch_features says pre-signals come from ttdpatch
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16:22:11 <b_jonas> yes, but new pathfinding is now old and obsolate, there's an even newer pathfinding
16:23:20 <b_jonas> it's usually better than every previous one
16:23:21 <fizzie> Heh. Is it actually called that?
16:23:27 <b_jonas> no
16:23:30 <fizzie> Aw. :/
16:24:14 <b_jonas> it's called YAPF for yet another pathfinder
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16:29:22 <b_jonas> for the record, openttd website is http://www.openttd.org , irc channel is on OFTC network #openttd
16:31:15 <zzo38> Some of the ways to "abuse" the primitives in TeX to do more complicated things are even described in the official documentation.
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16:34:46 <zzo38> I have managed to make TeX programs to sort an index, to parse algebraic chess notation, and to calculate when Easter is.
16:35:57 <b_jonas> zzo38: well sure, even with a whole appending for it, you can't expect Knuth to invent all the esoteric uses
16:36:08 <b_jonas> s/ding/dix/
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16:37:34 <Andrea2> 8-)
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16:39:40 <elliott> I'm scared.
16:39:43 <zzo38> b_jonas: Yes, although the primitives in TeX are more than good enough.
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16:41:10 <b_jonas> sure
16:41:56 <b_jonas> someone had even submitted a solution in TeX for the mars rover ICFP contest, though there the real strange part is that I don't understand why they didn't use metapost instead -- maybe because metapost has only barely enough IO primitives
16:42:05 <b_jonas> he claimed he simple doesn't know metapost enough
16:42:55 <b_jonas> it got the Judges' Prize
16:42:58 <b_jonas> http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~sheard/2008IcfpContest/results/
16:44:24 <zzo38> Some people have implemented extensions to TeX to do such thing as multiple types of marks, but I have managed to do precisely that without any extensions whatsoever!
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16:45:12 <b_jonas> sure, there are lots of extensions to TeX, some of them even seem to come from a very reasonable need, such as better unicode support in the core or bidi writing
16:46:16 <zzo38> I prefer to just use the non-extended TeX; it does more than I need.
16:46:25 <b_jonas> similarly, metapost is sort of a big extension to metafont: it completely replaces the picture handling while leaving most of the other parts alone,
16:46:36 <zzo38> Use other extensions if you want but I don't want it.
16:47:28 <b_jonas> there's also plans to change metapost to replace the whole number computation part with mpfr bigfloats, but that might not have enough pull to get a release ever.
16:48:17 <b_jonas> I use pdftex mostly
16:48:26 <b_jonas> which replaces the dvi writer part
16:48:28 <zzo38> I also explicitly do not want Unicode support in the core; I prefer the way it is handled by TeX fonts normally. And if UTF-8 decoding is wanted, well, it is possible to do that in the ordinary TeX.
16:48:49 <b_jonas> sure, LaTeX already does utf-8 decoding, mostly
16:49:08 <b_jonas> the decoding is not the hard part
16:49:18 <zzo38> Well, I want DVI output. I prefer DVI over PDF anyways.
16:49:34 <b_jonas> getting ordinary typesetting with hyphenation working properly when you have more than 256 characters is the hard part
16:50:35 <b_jonas> the automatic hyphenation engine just doesn't do that
16:50:54 <b_jonas> luckily, Vietnamese doesn't need hyphenation much
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16:51:57 <zzo38> Although I have written a program in TeX to decode UTF-8 (simply to show how it is possible), I am not using it since I prefer typing everything using the ASCII commands. Also the main document is written in languages that don't need that many characters (either that, or don't need hyphenation), and other parts of the document that aren't in such language, generally don't need to be hyphenated.
16:52:03 <b_jonas> but this still forces people to use multiple incompatible crazy font encoding sets, each of which try to fit as many relevant characters in the 256 limit as possible
16:52:50 <b_jonas> thus now we have the crazy T1 font encoding
16:53:23 <b_jonas> and incomprehensible box dumps of course
16:54:21 <zzo38> I don't really like T1 and stuff I prefer the format used by METAFONT; it is much better.
16:54:40 <b_jonas> what do you mean?
16:54:45 <zzo38> It doesn't matter that the encodings are incompatible because you can use TeX commands and control sequences and whatever.
16:54:55 <zzo38> It is simpler and far more sensible, I think.
16:55:03 <b_jonas> well of course
16:55:09 <b_jonas> it's just a font encoding, not an input encoding
16:55:12 <zzo38> Also you can use characters which do not belong to Unicode.
16:55:13 <b_jonas> you don't enter text in it
16:56:07 <b_jonas> it's just that (a) 256 characters is just too short space which is why there are multiple different font encodings, and if you have text mixing two languages that don't fit in one text encoding, you're up against a very difficult task,
16:56:22 <b_jonas> and (b) incomprehensible box dumps in error messages
16:57:11 <b_jonas> as for characters that do not belong to unicode, well sure, in that case you'll have to find a private encoding for those characters
16:57:19 <zzo38> TFM and DVI and the GF and PK graphic formats do support up to 32-bit characters actually.
16:57:41 <b_jonas> zzo38: sure, those do,
16:57:50 <b_jonas> it's the TeX core itself that's the problem
16:57:52 <zzo38> However, only the low 8-bits decide the metrics (and ligature/kerning), and TeX only will use 8-bits.
16:58:15 <zzo38> But because of how DVI works, you can easily write postprocessors for DVI that will do all sorts of fixing up on it!
16:58:28 <b_jonas> zzo38: yes, plus there's ligatures and kerning and hyphenation
16:58:39 <b_jonas> which the TeX core itself must handle
16:59:30 <b_jonas> 256 characters turn out to be just barely enough in practice if enough magic is used
16:59:45 <b_jonas> usually
16:59:58 <zzo38> Yes, that is what I say it is enough.
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17:01:23 <zzo38> In the cases where it isn't, you won't generally need metrics, ligatures, hyphenation, etc anyways. For example Chinese. In such a case you could have a postprocessor to fix the DVI file. You may have some character codes with zero size and some with nonzero size, and the postprocessor then replaces the combination with 32-bit character codes having the same resulting nonzero size.
17:01:46 <b_jonas> zzo38: what limits characters in a font to at most 16 different heights and depth by the way? is it only the tex core, or also TFM?
17:02:33 <b_jonas> zzo38: I think an even bigger problem is text with mixed directionality though
17:02:45 <zzo38> Having to do with TFM format.
17:03:16 <b_jonas> hmm
17:03:36 <b_jonas> "some character codes with zero size and some with nonzero size" sounds like a nice trick. that might work.
17:03:40 <b_jonas> it's still a workaround, but it might work
17:04:28 <zzo38> There are extensions for mixed directionality, but I think it would be confusing to line wrap right-to-left text in left-to-right documents anyways, and it is better to disable line wrapping inside of such reversed text.
17:04:32 <int-e> hmm, is Omega TeX any good? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_%28TeX%29
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17:06:11 <zzo38> I don't know, as I have not tried it, but I have no use for it.
17:06:16 <b_jonas> int-e: no idea. nor about XeTeX either. I don't really know how good all the other pimped up TeXs are, I only heared they exist, I never tried to learn how they work.
17:06:50 <zzo38> (I also thing it is probably not good enough even to use Unicode since it is only 16-bits)
17:07:41 <int-e> hmm, the link I gave says it's no longer being developed and points to luatex instead.
17:07:42 <b_jonas> zzo38: that doesn't really work out well. you need to be able to wrap opposite direction text, even if it is confusing and proper software _is_ hard to implement. just like how you need to wrap inline formulas too.
17:07:50 <b_jonas> typesetting is complicated.
17:08:10 <zzo38> b_jonas: I mean it is confusing to *read* too, not only to write.
17:08:22 <b_jonas> int-e: is XeTeX still developped? does it use unicode?
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17:08:50 <b_jonas> zzo38: it can be, if you as an author of the text do it wrong. and other text can be confusing to read too. the software is not enough.
17:09:28 <b_jonas> there's always burden on the author or typesetter professional too.
17:10:20 <zzo38> Well, such software exists as TeX-XeT and you can use if you like to, but I have no use for line wrapping embedded reversed text.
17:10:25 <int-e> b_jonas: the wikipedia looks like it's yes for both, though development is slow.
17:10:37 <b_jonas> it's called TeX-XeT, not XeTeX? or is that two different things?
17:10:47 <zzo38> b_jonas: Those are two different things.
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17:10:50 <b_jonas> ok
17:10:56 <int-e> (I'm using pdflatex myself but I don't really need Unicode)
17:11:05 <b_jonas> then there's of course lots of non-tex-derived software too
17:11:33 <zzo38> Yes, there is.
17:11:59 <zzo38> But I find the best typesetting software is TeX without extensions.
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17:13:26 <zzo38> (A postprocessor is useful however, in order to do such thing as combine pages, make use of full 32-bit character codes, make the file size smaller, expand virtual fonts, etc)
17:16:53 <b_jonas> right
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18:17:31 <zzo38> I notice Z-machine documentation says: "The encoding algorithm used to create the string also specifies that whenever the current character to be encoded is not in the current permanent character set, the following character is examined. If there is a following character (i.e. not at end of string) and that character is in the same set as the current one, a permanent shift is used. Otherwise a temporary shift is used."
18:18:20 <zzo38> I assume this is from before they extended the FWORDS table to 96 entries, because this is no longer efficient, and Infocom clearly understood that as they have programmed their compilers to never use permanent shifts.
18:18:49 <zzo38> Furthermore, it isn't that simple: intervening spaces and fwords should be ignored when making such considerations.
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21:34:09 <zzo38> Who will help you to beat MEDIUM_SIZE_MONSTER in Super ASCII MZX Town? [a] Aaron Black [b] Aberration Hater [c] BIG_MONSTER [d] Dave [e] David [f] Dr.Gray [g] Monty Python [h] SMALL_MONSTER [i] The International Astronomical Conspiracy [j] The queen of heaven [k] The Spanish Inquisition [l] The spider [m] The talking tree [n] YHVH [o] (None of the above) [p] (Exactly four of the above)
21:37:36 <shachaf> zzo38: [a]
21:37:54 <ais523_> I'm guessing [p], but I don't know the answer
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21:38:14 <zzo38> No! Try again please! ("Aaron Black" is my name, but that is not a character in the game so it doesn't count.)
21:38:22 <zzo38> ais523_: Which four do you expect?
21:38:41 <shachaf> zzo38: But will you help me to bear MEDIUM_SIZE_MONSTER in Super ASCII MZX Town?
21:38:47 <zzo38> (And [p] is wrong anyways.)
21:38:53 <shachaf> beat
21:39:00 <ais523_> zzo38: I don't expect 4 in particular, but that seems to be around the number of options that seems likely to be correct
21:39:08 <zzo38> shachaf: No, you have to do it by yourself.
21:39:18 <zzo38> ais523_: Well, you are wrong.
21:39:35 <ais523_> that often happens when I guess
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21:39:48 <shachaf> zzo38: :-(
21:40:01 <zzo38> ais523_: Yes it is to be expected consider there is many possible choices.
21:40:13 <zzo38> shachaf: Well, there is other characters in the game and other things in the game that can help with such thing, though.
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21:40:47 <shachaf> Yes, but I was counting on your help.
21:40:48 <shachaf> d16
21:40:49 <lambdabot> shachaf: 8
21:40:57 <shachaf> My new guess is [h]
21:41:22 <zzo38> That's what I thought you would guess next, but wrong.
21:41:37 <zzo38> Try to make a "educated" guess rather than just at random.
21:42:05 <zzo38> Sometimes your first guess is wrong though, but it is OK, make a second and third guess, and earn second and third points.
21:43:28 <ais523_> actually, the question is ambiguous
21:43:44 <ais523_> is it about which of those entities would be helpful in the fight, if they joined in? or is it about which ones are willing to join in?
21:43:57 <zzo38> ais523_: O, sorry. I mean which ones are willing to join in.
21:44:09 <ais523_> in that case I guess [b]
21:44:10 <zzo38> (And do, in the presence of the game.)
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21:44:32 <shachaf> zzo38: I would make an "educated" guess but I'm "uneducated".
21:44:40 <zzo38> Not just what is willing but what actually does, is what it means. Even if they like to but can't, then it doesn't count!
21:44:48 <shachaf> Is it Dave from DAVE.EXE?
21:44:51 <zzo38> ais523_: Wrong again...
21:44:54 <shachaf> Dangerous Dave
21:44:57 <zzo38> shachaf: No.
21:45:18 <shachaf> In that case my educated guess is [l].
21:45:45 <zzo38> You are getting a bit closer because it is an actual character in the game. But... no.
21:45:46 <shachaf> Remember Dangerous Dave, though? Good times.
21:47:46 <zzo38> O, I have heard of it, yes.
21:48:17 <elliott> [c]
21:48:23 <zzo38> Yes.
21:48:31 <elliott> everyone else is so bad at this
21:48:56 <Bike> i'm with elliott on this, specifically, the part about people who aren't me being bad, because the answer is [ß].
21:49:17 <zzo38> Bike: Good guess, but that isn't one of the choices!
21:49:32 <Bike> I reject your arbitrary restrictions.
21:49:40 <zzo38> OK, then.
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21:51:23 <zzo38> Make up your own "arbitrary restrictions".
21:52:47 <Bike> Okay, then I restrict the answer to be necessarily [ß].
21:53:07 <Bike> Of course, this restriction is unnecessary, but makes it easier to understand the rightness of my thinking.
21:53:20 <zzo38> OK, then, but now there isn't a correct answer because the only valid one is the wrong answer.
21:53:49 <ais523_> zzo38: that reminds me of a joke NPC in Pokémon, who asks where you come from
21:53:52 <Bike> I restrict the correct answer to be necessarily [ß]. Problem solved.
21:53:56 <ais523_> but the only answers they'll accept are yes and no
21:54:15 <zzo38> ais523_: O, I have seen that screenshot
21:54:43 <zzo38> But I do not know if either of those is the correct answer?
21:57:00 <ais523_> zzo38: there is no correct answer, either answer will just get you a reply
21:57:11 <ais523_> such as "no? well you have to come from somewhere, maybe you were born at the bottom of the sea?" something like that
21:57:31 <ais523_> neither reply has any effect on the game, and you can have the question asked to you multiple times or not at all
21:57:35 <Taneb> WHY ARE ALL MY TABLETOP SESSIONS CURSED TO BE INDEFINITELY DELAYED
21:58:04 <zzo38> Taneb: For how long is it delayed so far?
21:59:12 <Taneb> zzo38, we were going to have a session last month for the D&D game, but it's looking September at the earliest
21:59:29 <Taneb> The werewolf game is in a similar situation
21:59:49 <Taneb> The Scions game was supposed to be today, but has been delayed until the week after next
22:00:04 <Taneb> The Diana game isn't going to happen until October most likely
22:00:17 <Taneb> But that's good for me because I'm GM'ing that one
22:01:11 <Taneb> Gives me time to prepare
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22:17:10 <zzo38> Sometimes the D&D game I play in is also delayed but not that much and it is unknown exactly when it is going to be at.
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22:21:07 <oerjan> <fizzie> It is disheartening. <-- on the plus side he's american so his vacations are probably not _that_ long.
22:21:52 <oerjan> wait he's no longer idle
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22:22:19 * oerjan blinks
22:22:35 <oerjan> `echo WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
22:22:36 <HackEgo> WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
22:24:17 <Gregor> `echo usuk
22:24:18 <HackEgo> usuk
22:24:33 <Taneb> US/UK!?
22:24:50 <oerjan> it's probably some inuit greeting
22:25:45 <oerjan> an informal one, with the formal one being usiuktukartatussituk
22:32:11 <oerjan> <b_jonas> it's called YAPF for yet another pathfinder <-- has anyone used YAY as a recursive acronym yet
22:35:54 <Taneb> Yay, Another YAY
22:36:32 <oerjan> <elliott> I'm scared. <-- i had to check the raw logs to confirm my suspicion of why you said that.
22:36:51 <Taneb> It wasn't me this time!
22:37:04 <Taneb> Unless it was
22:37:05 <oerjan> indeed.
22:37:05 <Taneb> Was it?
22:37:22 <oerjan> no, i believe it was Andrea2
22:38:15 <Taneb> OK
22:38:19 <Taneb> I need to try harder
22:38:46 <oerjan> next time a canaima user comes along, we have to try to extract how they found us
22:39:30 <Taneb> Do we have any regulars who actually speak Spanish?
22:40:13 <oerjan> i think there are some who know a bit
22:42:55 <oerjan> hm yiyus looks promising, although i don't remember last e talked
22:42:57 <Taneb> Actually, I need to try harder in general, really
22:46:39 <oerjan> and although je.je.je might attract spanish people, it doesn't mean e is one
22:48:39 * Taneb ====> sleep
22:50:08 <oerjan> that's not trying harder, how can be scary without a properly f'ed up sleeping schedule
22:50:16 <oerjan> *ca nyo
22:50:28 <oerjan> ty ping ishard
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23:05:28 <oerjan> ah, a new parting gif
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