< 1406851204 288377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1406852585 335010 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1406852921 28045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406852996 736652 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:6818:bc7d:9dad:a4d JOIN :#esoteric < 1406853040 919963 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1406854031 522547 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406854033 69770 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406855819 87911 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:6818:bc7d:9dad:a4d QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1406856397 919272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with the whole lord chamberlain theatre censorship thing < 1406857645 193818 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: EXPRESSIVE CHICKEN < 1406857646 520876 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1406858123 665964 :MoALTz__!~no@user-31-174-197-32.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1406858275 856322 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406858358 699767 :MoALTz_!~no@user-31-174-197-32.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1406858359 204673 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1406858517 156608 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1406858714 680872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1406859106 922264 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1406860748 244780 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406860786 95507 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brother has made a suggestion having to do with the icons for card types of Aberration Hater Card Game. < 1406860815 139944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is to use the initial letter but decorate it according to what the full card type is. < 1406861410 68621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, dear old loopy, which supports no keyboard shortcuts at all ;_; < 1406861550 455508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a side effect of all the non-rectangular topologies its supports. < 1406861651 805750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, totally unusable with my new laptop's touchpad. < 1406861896 82439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that? < 1406861915 632757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the puzzles in simon tatham's collection < 1406861992 856963 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1406862009 276768 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1406862023 9602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1406862023 636549 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1406862074 154861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406862079 32509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finished a game anyhow < 1406862117 259127 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406864569 852565 :not^v!~notnot^v@71.238.153.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406864585 522304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1406864589 604131 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1406864603 378103 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1406864661 393566 :not^v!~notnot^v@71.238.153.166 NICK :^v < 1406864858 523192 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :*.net *.split < 1406865109 166018 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1406865670 261912 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1406865707 311966 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1406865874 784859 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1406866125 680832 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1406866512 472427 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1406866566 456035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this is OK idea for icons of Aberration Hater Card Game, or are there should be the better way? < 1406867043 387115 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you buy some AY-3-8910? < 1406867217 342587 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never seen your card game < 1406867270 6167 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't quite expect you to < 1406867279 77747 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because first some things have to be designed of it < 1406867286 997425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as this things. < 1406867460 121374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what the card types are? < 1406867474 517166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about this game. < 1406867567 533182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you should guess! I already gave you some strange kind of hint a little bit today! < 1406867783 379897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why should I guess? < 1406867921 188514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that you can learn, I suppose. Don't you know some things, such that it is card game, or you don't know that too? < 1406869876 451038 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: loopy is quite a nice puzzle. took me almost 30 minutes just to solve an easy one! < 1406869930 796581 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: once you finish designing it, i will surely give it a look. unfortunately, i have nothing to say about it at present. < 1406870043 452808 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh "Keen" seems to be similar to Kakuro. I think I've seen one like this before on paper. < 1406870319 721844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah several of the puzzle have "no trademarks harmed in this collection" names < 1406870325 654404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*puzzles < 1406870431 300684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: one nice thing about loopy is that many of the different network types have a different flavor in how you solve them < 1406870508 529622 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, the 1x1 grid containing only the clue "4" < 1406870554 461791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um wat < 1406870577 909961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that one is in the type menu < 1406870588 894778 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1406870593 55744 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll add it < 1406870697 509644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it's added several new types since my old laptop too < 1406871293 459344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can certainly understand why it's hard to make a keyboard interface for it. < 1406871598 682275 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i sure wish there were more visual clues in this game. like changing the colors of numbers whose condition hasn't yet been met, or just outright making the lines adjacent to zeros unclickable. < 1406871796 835391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the zeros turn red if you try < 1406871815 40268 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i'd rather the edges next to them just be missing < 1406871819 67196 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unclickable < 1406871825 910426 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :save time < 1406871833 84688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you know you can remove edges as well as mark them < 1406871842 853283 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i do < 1406871843 822179 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1406872139 616721 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hard would it be to pre-right-click all the zero edges for me :P < 1406872516 861915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do tend to start with that myself < 1406872754 311130 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-174.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1406872814 316101 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-174.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1406872855 274408 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-174.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1406872855 473245 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1406873044 303919 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-174.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1406873098 73944 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1406873188 806335 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1406873508 893549 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: tell more about that card game < 1406873520 282389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1406873564 306025 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1406873626 862860 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1406874189 90359 :MoALTz__!~no@user-31-174-197-32.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1406874343 4430 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the most annoying part is when you close the curve and it doesn't flash and you have to manually go through and check each number to see if it hasn't been covered < 1406874432 265038 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if they turned green once they were covered < 1406875018 873083 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1406875779 817971 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap 10x10 triangle took me over an hour < 1406875874 418474 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1406876208 8726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: O, sorry I was downstairs because it is too hot here, but OK I tell you a bit. < 1406876220 551269 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imgur says: " < 1406876231 992675 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imgur says: " Be forewarned, time has been known to quicken in this realm." < 1406876259 280760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are five card types: ORDINARY MONSTER ATTACHMENT FIELD CLASS < 1406876261 325103 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder which definition they mean < 1406876334 672856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Definition of what? < 1406876410 91428 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea my brother has had is for example the FIELD type icon is "F" with glass underneath, and ORDINARY type icon has just "O" in a plain font. < 1406876540 217958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as "A" with lines bend like paperclips, and "M" with an eye on it. < 1406877052 778444 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: quicken < 1406877258 4999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quicken v.t. to accelerate (as in to quicken one's pace); to restore to life (as in to quicken the dead); to stimulate and rouse; v.i. to become faster; to reach the stage in pregnancy when the fetal movement is perceptible. < 1406877279 952747 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't seem to help much, I suppose. < 1406877317 245612 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably the pregnancy one. definitely that. < 1406877715 462371 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1406877815 520652 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1406877865 857825 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406879334 188593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1406879413 869059 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't there be some clever way to get O(log n) for access by index in linked lists? < 1406879445 735973 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Obviously you can get O(1) index access if you keep a table of node pointers) < 1406879446 856542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406879481 553389 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which requires O(n) memory overhead < 1406879537 256304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for some data structure that isn't just a linked list, sure. < 1406879555 801669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example a skip list. < 1406879577 163946 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess technically you could do it tree-like < 1406879582 608703 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do people actually use skip lists? < 1406879584 526481 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a listed-link interface < 1406879603 843979 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: B+ tree? < 1406879689 212958 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/dcoOVZpe <- like that < 1406879733 482715 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(indices in base 16) < 1406879760 451592 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know where it is because < 1406879766 753189 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even numbers are always left < 1406879780 165374 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and odd always right < 1406879795 137452 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that should be enough to reconstruct the path < 1406879814 625569 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully < 1406879855 843930 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the number of leaves in each "floor" is 2^n < 1406879941 474249 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should be possible to express the position as x,y coordinates < 1406879980 51454 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 is >4 & <8 so it's y coordinate is 3. < 1406880021 834128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1406880046 498625 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :x coordinate is pretty easy too < 1406880054 414343 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1406880059 502797 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you just need an algorithm that finds a path to that coordinate :) < 1406880155 555289 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not B+? < 1406880303 67467 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just trying out new things < 1406880325 307115 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need to divide the index continously by 2 < 1406880329 610716 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you'll find it < 1406880353 828956 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means O(log n) index access isn't that hard to do < 1406880358 265521 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitshifting saved the world again < 1406880633 391120 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-230.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1406880675 40534 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-230.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1406880675 239797 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1406881490 82488 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1406881624 45649 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I succeeded in installing and registering VS2010 < 1406881640 625613 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although removing something from that tree-list isn't very cool < 1406881668 350735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: You can put it in your CV. < 1406881676 642307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Succesfully installed VS2010." < 1406881681 30510 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1406881687 713435 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Successfully offline installed VS2010 < 1406881707 894908 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you registered it without internet connection? < 1406881709 190629 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note I haven't checked that it actually works yet < 1406881722 932937 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I used /this/ connection, the underscorey one, to do the registration < 1406881730 671714 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's web-based and doesn't communicate directly with VS at all < 1406881747 567310 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just mentally replaced "copy-and-paste" with "retype" in the instructions < 1406881820 294383 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant that VS itself checks some online database < 1406881831 739532 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. verifies the code over dem internetz < 1406881835 270998 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the same method that's meant to work for VS2012, and that I have successfully used with VS2012 before, only the VS2012 registration form doesn't work ("Submit" button does nothing, and editing it to just submit anyway refreshes the page) < 1406881842 373783 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: nah, it's all retyping < 1406881848 836706 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VS2013 does indeed do what you say < 1406881852 380125 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I can't use it < 1406881856 893913 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it does a local "checksum" check < 1406881883 297103 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1406881894 146010 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is similar to the way I originally activated Windows itself < 1406881914 744126 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only that has "type the numbers into a phone" as the fallback for if it can't make a connection directly < 1406881927 460239 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1406881942 91025 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you still activate Windows 8 via phone? < 1406881946 618979 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I have done < 1406881953 142440 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely enough, the activation survived a complete reinstall < 1406882001 113332 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also strangely and possibly connected, there is a small partition on the system which Windows won't acknowledge the existence of and Linux can't determine the format of < 1406882021 189730 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like OEM recovery partition or something like that < 1406882035 15673 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dell has a backup partition < 1406882048 163485 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no; a) it's too small, b) I know where the OEM recovery partition is (and both Windows and Linux can both determine its existence, and report on its format) < 1406882060 139583 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil uefi stuff? < 1406882070 982009 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: no, I found /that/ partition too < 1406882088 839027 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :had to, in fact, this is related to my adventures over the last few days < 1406882089 141024 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are those partitions actually on the same disk? < 1406882093 113078 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or on another disk < 1406882096 726468 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is only the one disk < 1406882100 173204 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which currently has 8 partitions < 1406882104 97312 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1406882104 638871 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1406882109 831026 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something wrecks your system hard < 1406882123 12681 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e lets say some virus that wastes your partition table < 1406882134 738748 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows main, Windows recovery, OEM recovery, EFI, suspicious tiny partition, Linux /, Linux /home, Linux swap < 1406882146 718458 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: then the backups are elsewhere, and the system itself is obviously ruined < 1406882159 180901 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, up to the complete-wipe-and-reinstall point < 1406882169 889071 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406882214 945077 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how a second physical disk would help much with this < 1406882282 205076 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1406882282 403960 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1406882357 917573 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, #1 thing that annoys me about the Windows interface and can't easily be turned off: you can't right-click on files directly in Explorer < 1406882366 650345 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right-clicking affects the selected file, not what you clicked on < 1406882375 702024 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you first have to left-click to select it, then right-click it to open the context menu < 1406882497 445435 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the way to go is a ROM-OS < 1406882508 687100 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way nothing can wreck it :) < 1406882542 342691 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it just needs to be perfect and has drivers for everything ever built < 1406882547 809518 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could go wrong < 1406882555 693189 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1406882569 686083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Windows has that thing. < 1406882572 829218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/QaMd #3 here. < 1406882597 565310 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, EFI itself actually seems mostly well designed, apart from some questionable decisions about file formats < 1406882606 319939 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, it is normally horrendously misconfigured < 1406882617 713484 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most EFI systems do not allow the user to configure them correctly < 1406882668 406890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, #1 is also some sort of a Windows recovery thing. < 1406882680 809870 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pee? < 1406882702 831078 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: hu? < 1406882706 811140 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't right-click? < 1406882725 840191 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you can, but you have to left-click first < 1406882730 503444 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1406882762 57921 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: if you open up a directory in Explorer (the default directory viewing thing), then right-click on a file < 1406882766 683967 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will get the context menu for the directory < 1406882775 253645 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: on the partition, could it contain boot loader early stage data? < 1406882792 938456 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, that's what the EFI partition is for < 1406882803 40872 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: for a past boot loader you're no longer using? < 1406882815 279378 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you learn a lot about this sort of thing if you have to manually configure a bootloader without docs < 1406882824 528949 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: what? < 1406882829 937111 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what version of windows are you on? < 1406882836 902634 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on an EFI system, bootloaders must run from a FAT32 partition, and the suspicious partition is not FAT32 < 1406882842 472625 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in no format Linux recognises < 1406882843 893197 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: 8.1 < 1406882857 668500 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I right-click on a file, I get the context menu of that file < 1406882860 853092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/SWej -- whoa, 24 megs. < 1406882862 612140 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, I do that too, but do it only with grub-legacy (and isolinux, in the past, loadlin). I see no reason to change to grub2. < 1406882872 124860 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if I left-click-selected a subdirectory in that directory < 1406882885 469025 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: oh, it's an EFI system? < 1406882892 359995 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't notice that < 1406882901 499885 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean explorer.exe? < 1406882909 970168 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not some metro-style explorer thingy? < 1406882919 181068 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes, this is the desktop < 1406882920 63234 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: make backups, try to write all-zero to the partition, reboot, see what breaks? < 1406882922 843528 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: all Windows 8 systems are EFI < 1406882926 236746 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your explorer is broken < 1406882943 676802 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember any Windows version where right-clicking behaves the way you describe it to me o_O < 1406882946 10072 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'd rather not do that, given how much trouble I'd gone to to get this working < 1406882964 74376 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I assume you've looked at the partition raw data, right? < 1406882967 347304 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :right-clicking on a file chances selection < 1406882971 158414 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, because I'm not that curious < 1406882984 994408 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can even make a video of it if you want < 1406882985 205659 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: huh, if I have a different file selected < 1406882993 695344 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then right-clicking on some other file does change the selection < 1406883006 699719 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it's started working as I expect now < 1406883011 610095 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is even weirder < 1406883024 249030 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: huh... looking at a hexdump is around the first thing I'd have done < 1406883026 179068 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it changes the selection < 1406883043 640162 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise something is really broken < 1406883049 832790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could even be an unused all-zero partition someone's created at some point but never used < 1406883051 737067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to look at a hexdump because other people have done it already: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Reserved_Partition < 1406883053 283179 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's a folder option of windows < 1406883057 272937 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not the normcase < 1406883062 720013 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: actually, it seems to work as you describe, except when I just opened the folder < 1406883066 433323 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it works as I described < 1406883073 367856 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what size is the small partition? < 1406883093 263785 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I can't reproduce that :) < 1406883110 205903 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 128 something < 1406883116 481126 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :128 MB seems reasonable given the circumstances < 1406883140 269717 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a large disk, sure < 1406883158 771352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's 32 MB for disks less than 16 gigs. < 1406883431 206192 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it currently seems about 50:50 whether I shut down Windows 8.1 using the Settings charm, or using the context menu on the start button < 1406883455 462322 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably depends on whether I've been doing something Windows 8-specific recently < 1406884141 831314 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that amused me during the troubleshooting was to see Windows' opinion of the Linux bootloader < 1406884152 112744 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it interpreted it as an unspecified firmware application < 1406884158 333727 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I guess, from Windows' point of view, it is < 1406884801 685225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the "Settings charm"? < 1406884886 634644 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, Windows 8 has a very global main menu < 1406884890 614814 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :called the charms menu < 1406884900 905288 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :power off is under "settings" for some reason < 1406884917 247459 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you access the charms menu by moving your mouse to the top-right corner, then down the edge < 1406885467 472063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I didn't know that the context menu on the start button has that option. < 1406885470 55704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you. < 1406885482 776763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I'm certain I'll remember to use that. < 1406885493 565437 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I remember when I was buying this computer < 1406885499 676464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I access the charms menu by going to the bottom-right corner, and then moving up a little.) < 1406885505 367104 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I showed the start button context menu to the salesman, who was impressed < 1406885513 755218 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also there in Windows 8, which doesn't even have a start button < 1406885519 802200 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to right-click the bottomleftmost pixel of the screen < 1406885528 517984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did learn about the Win-x shortcut, which has been helpful. < 1406885534 332106 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't even realize the start button had a context menu. that's a lot of useful options < 1406885547 186881 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hardly anyone does, it seems < 1406885568 412043 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 8.1 doesn't have a start button either < 1406885574 350384 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a button < 1406885577 645072 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it just switches to metro < 1406885597 580394 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: close enough < 1406885606 197855 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1406885610 592256 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that it had a context menu < 1406885629 38256 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I was careful to say "start button", not "start menu" < 1406885634 75076 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't switch to metro, it opens the start screen < 1406885643 482231 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind-of ugly and badly designed, but not itself a metro program < 1406885654 648615 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just it's designed to look like a metro program, rather than like a desktop program < 1406885666 245608 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even worse when apps look like metro-style < 1406885671 79940 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but are actually regular desktop programs < 1406885684 97047 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, yes < 1406885710 288362 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, like visual studio? or more like that? < 1406885733 597310 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :visual studio doesn't look metro at all < 1406885743 40445 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that just happens when you open a metro program from the taskbar shortcut < 1406885766 792837 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1406885770 903782 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you can distinguish by clicking the top-left corner < 1406885772 334640 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "open with" dialogue in 8.1 < 1406885779 445969 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks strange < 1406885788 912009 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that goes back to the previous app you were using; the entire desktop and everything on it counts as one app < 1406885799 578238 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "open with" is a metro-style dialoge < 1406885802 382861 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no close button nothing < 1406885858 236711 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: have you heard that biologists have recently proved Turing's theory about formation of fingers in embryos? < 1406885858 436009 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it is < 1406885858 635296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://netcrew.asm.fi/ I like graphs where you can see cycles like that. < 1406885861 942466 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on the desktop < 1406885869 128081 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I didn't know Turing theorized that < 1406885869 908907 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no < 1406885890 770468 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esciencenews.com/articles/2014/08/01/a.mathematical.theory.proposed.alan.turing.1952.can.explain.formation.fingers < 1406887539 321920 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1406888094 23720 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406889471 989196 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon matily < 1406889769 157809 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunk14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40231&oldid=40189 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+0) 10misplaced parens < 1406890008 522708 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-210-43.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1406890087 644208 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon matintopia! < 1406891269 688755 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PARTICULAR CHICKEN < 1406891712 370522 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1406891801 845466 :heroux!~heroux@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1406891941 554922 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1406891954 465825 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1406892250 294003 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406893783 338908 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1406893967 849574 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1406894215 311621 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406894444 842239 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1406894513 102805 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my phone doesn't have enough memory to update whatsapp < 1406894513 913593 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1406894728 586117 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1406894734 58737 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't install whatsapp on the sd card < 1406894737 208536 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this bullshit. < 1406894860 528923 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1406894868 999120 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1406894871 219193 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bullshitt :D < 1406895333 339858 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, the code for my new arbitrary-dimension language is around the most complicated code I've ever written :P < 1406895377 581013 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1406895380 518329 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because I want it to be compact. Otherwise I could probably do it much less complicatedly < 1406895493 888349 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was this arbitrary-dimension code, stack data? < 1406895505 636157 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can if you really want to < 1406895527 437745 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1406895846 385656 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well anyway, it's the most complicated code I've written because I haven't been programming for a very long time :P < 1406895856 37982 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started less than a year ago < 1406896059 333118 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :...did I kill the chat? < 1406896084 495978 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but you didn’t answer my question. < 1406896117 264278 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get your question :S < 1406896173 635903 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I said "?". < 1406896174 742213 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether the language has arbitrary-dimensional code while using a stack for runtime storage. < 1406896209 603576 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it does. < 1406896220 387473 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda like Befunge. < 1406896316 999939 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you have something particularly arcane, the bounding box of the instructions should suffice to hold them. < 1406896453 921662 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold what? < 1406896537 277445 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instructions. < 1406896734 561933 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't get what you're saying < 1406896741 28824 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I gtg now < 1406898953 810615 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary-dimensional like 2D-languages? < 1406898963 184748 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. a 3D grid? < 1406899012 333613 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a 3D language whose 2D-subset isn't turing complete? < 1406899076 410885 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously there are 2D languages whose 1D subset isn't turing complete < 1406899159 440991 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumb question. I can construct one < 1406899176 873119 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make conditional branches jump upwards in Z direction < 1406899178 368768 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and boom < 1406901215 652219 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1406901238 377228 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1406901257 565342 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406901308 912981 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1406901350 360162 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406901361 711074 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i'll just drop y then < 1406902261 157256 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1406904457 52099 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1406904487 538570 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/ < 1406904527 749761 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone got an brainfuck optimiser? I mean, +-+. becomes +. < 1406904677 886893 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and +>-<->+ becomes > < 1406904713 615687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they exist < 1406904722 752987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most compilers have one built in, though often not in a form that trivially converts back to BF < 1406904727 603765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fsvo most) < 1406905291 334164 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1406905293 627792 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1406905591 280804 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1406905634 731584 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406906114 808766 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1406906151 970147 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1406906568 977373 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406907650 872189 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1406908430 333426 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1406908492 875933 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1406908564 187682 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1406910039 178801 :atriq!5773a082@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.115.160.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406910187 524000 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-210-43.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1406910214 966730 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1406910564 469902 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1406910611 693253 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406910909 497390 :klotztest!~cinch@host-128-227-180-140.xlate.ufl.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1406911120 288421 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1406911202 733636 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1406911249 533022 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406911590 166198 :klotztest!~cinch@host-128-227-180-140.xlate.ufl.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1406911813 363348 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1406912065 258056 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1406912113 143974 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1406912182 677490 :atriq!5773a082@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.115.160.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1406912676 895786 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1406912942 958789 :doesthiswork!~Adium@c-24-21-236-66.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406913272 709963 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1406915129 617321 :g_reato!~greato@218.83.102.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406915632 564741 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read this article in Science magazine vol.323 that has the suggestion of a replacement of the patent system with a "markets system", which is said to perform better, and avoids monopoly rights and other problems (including ones they cause, such as suboptimal production). < 1406916097 170878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell, the patent system has only one advantage, which is that the document is posted into the patent archives, but is in all other ways inferior. (This is not mentioned in the cited article.) But maybe it can be corrected by having a markets system with archives. < 1406916390 189451 :g_reato!~greato@218.83.102.82 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1406916564 79857 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just can't wait for high frequency IP trades. < 1406916606 612730 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, I've completed my arbitrary-dimensional language. < 1406916613 447044 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to give it a name. < 1406916619 797324 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1406916678 296723 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :L^\omega < 1406916706 240308 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm, actually, L^*) < 1406916788 358515 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is it about IPXI (cf. http://www.wipo.int/wipo_magazine/en/2014/01/article_0005.html) or something else? < 1406916857 902069 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1406916915 738006 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that one actually, but this article is by Debrah Meloso, Jernej Copic, and Peter Bossaerts, and at the end in the reference it says "10.1126/science.1158624" < 1406917015 925625 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also mentions http://jmarkets.ssel.caltech.edu/ which might have the information? < 1406917310 17324 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :System in this article has no monopoly since the solutions are all in the public domain. If more than one person find it, whoever has a better way will get paid more usually, therefore there is the incentive to make improvement and therefore better production. < 1406917350 386359 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I've got the 2009 paper. < 1406917391 211513 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sciencemag.org/content/323/5919/1335.full.pdf <-- wants registration, or an institution-wide subscription, I used the latter. < 1406917729 650711 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does say that this new system might not be effective in some circumstances, but probably that can be fixed too I suppose. < 1406918128 708784 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/raw/KDtQCWR8A5M1TRqRWMY2/ < Specification (not really, but not sure what to call it otherwise) for my new language. < 1406918134 789085 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1406918174 278072 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Probably you should make the post in esolang wiki; if you don't know what to call it yet you could make a subpage of your user page, and then move it once you have the proper name of it. < 1406918194 37515 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "one two-dimensional coordinate higher"? < 1406918203 775371 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does this mean in one-dimensional or three-dimensional space? < 1406918230 55893 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says that it does not apply in one-dimensional space iirc < 1406918271 780389 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :2D coord of one line is 1, one higher is 2. < 1406918276 910559 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it means < 1406918294 497441 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means basically that the line succeeds the previous in 2D space. < 1406918297 310807 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ and } are incorrectly specified < 1406918306 116358 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1406918308 821105 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh righ < 1406918309 807227 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1406918311 564597 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1406918315 759799 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a typo < 1406918318 259046 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you specify that the interpreter will wrap, but you don't have bounds < 1406918337 60891 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep in mind this is not the final specification < 1406918351 600650 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do . and : pop? < 1406918355 915639 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1406918373 434187 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the difference between buffered and non-buffered input? < 1406918392 278454 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the storage? < 1406918417 72421 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the storage is a "right-unbounded one-dimensional array" as specified above. < 1406918447 282283 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way you handle deltas, in particular the V instruction, is odd and smells of trying to be too funge-like without actually being funge-like < 1406918477 605772 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be sure to be much more detailed in the final specification. And I tried to not let myself be influenced by Funge too much. < 1406918521 305559 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :V is weird because it's the only one that can set a vector other than a standard basis vector or its negation < 1406918545 705684 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and using any other instruction afterwards to change the IP is going to reset it to a standard basis/negation < 1406918550 452762 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh my what a ludicrous paper. they set up a hilarious experiment where traded goods directly correspond to the modeled invention (so by watching the transactions, one can derive information about the best solution, which leads to more discoveries of that same "invention"), and then pretend that this somehow applies transfers to real inventions without any justification whatsoever. < 1406918573 320395 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes, jMarkets is related) < 1406918576 788855 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what does an input line specification actually do? < 1406918594 333602 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the list of coordinate a starting place or a delta? Where is the other determined? What happens if there's overlap? < 1406918647 156588 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ot < 1406918649 891782 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1406918668 10948 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the starting 2+D coordinates of the line. < 1406918697 706994 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the delta is [1, 0, 0...] at the start < 1406918707 582449 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the starting point is always [0, 0, 0...] < 1406918722 648737 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overlap means the last line gets used. < 1406918728 941697 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It is an interesting experiment that they performed ... but I have NO idea what it models. All the claims that this is related to innovation is pure speculation. < 1406918780 166431 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :All lines are padded to equal length. < 1406918795 617965 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a line is unspecified and the IP tries to move through it, it wraps. < 1406918834 596131 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :into it* < 1406918877 85274 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1406918908 478490 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:a288:b4ff:fe60:a3b0 QUIT :Quit: :qa! < 1406919009 492118 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the sample program is wrong < 1406919022 470791 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the third line should have 1,0,1 as its coordinates, not 0,0,1. < 1406919363 705333 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1406919376 541530 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1406921363 976823 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.7% of vintage computing items on eBay are described as "rare" < 1406921633 3783 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1406921882 420112 :imp9!~imp9@224-148.dsl.iskon.hr JOIN :#esoteric < 1406921981 227820 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1406922350 424700 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Threeifbywhiskey 5* 10New user account < 1406922464 404560 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1406922584 65691 :imp9!~imp9@224-148.dsl.iskon.hr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1406923165 236604 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1406923544 876876 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Braille14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40232&oldid=39023 5* 03Threeifbywhiskey 5* (+118) 10Add link to C interpreter, remove Unimplemented category < 1406923621 836576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Apparently it is similar to an older system which works even outside of experiments though, but I do not really know much about such older system and cannot say what exactly it is applicable to. < 1406923672 252547 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Braille14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40233&oldid=40232 5* 03Threeifbywhiskey 5* (+6) 10Replace "Hello, world!" program with one that works < 1406923751 220838 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, there's a comic called "How I Became a Pokémon Card". < 1406923766 403553 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is "I" refering to, here? < 1406923796 853616 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How I Became a Pokémon Card is a manga created by Kagemaru Himeno, who is also an artist for the TCG. While the manga includes some reoccurring characters, each chapter is mainly a standalone story featuring one Pokémon, such as Dratini or Jolteon. At some point within each story an image of an actual Pokémon card is shown, the stories expand on the image that appears on the card and tells about what the Pokémon is doing in the ... < 1406923803 212904 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... picture or how it got there. < 1406923805 701244 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Bulbapedia < 1406923853 367451 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1406924031 961771 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone with Ruby and brainfuck experience can help me fix my brainfuck parser? http://hastebin.com/izazegebem.rb < 1406924099 514886 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you save the pointer? if it doesn't scope properly you're just going to overwrite w instead of p and it won't matter < 1406924104 306354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your wrapping condition is off-by-one, for one. < 1406924110 974079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you haven't told us what problem you're having < 1406924131 72907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's off-by-one twice. so it's off by two < 1406924169 528007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-" is implemented with a + < 1406924184 124355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> is identical to +, incrementing a[p] rather than p < 1406924185 589817 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:18: parse error on input ‘,’ < 1406924207 73983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure "while foo do" is even the correct syntax. < 1406924239 714556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the behavior of [ is correct. < 1406924241 330685 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know ruby so all the semicolons seem weird < 1406924241 543377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too. < 1406924354 707790 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Lol, i fail < 1406924672 936987 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1406924990 315449 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, new file http://hastebin.com/kamuzocika.rb < 1406925007 85886 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit more descriptive, as in, shows my problem case < 1406925298 505331 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1406925382 429657 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I made a 99 bottles of beer program for my new language :P < 1406925416 451935 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as one must. < 1406925465 316116 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/raw/5ZoE59XwXfOkyOj6zb2n/ yay < 1406925486 645721 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the classical order of test applications goes: "hello world," 99 bottles, factorial, an editor, email, a half-completed LISP. < 1406925501 936361 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Know anything? < 1406925604 720434 :Guest41141!skarn@binary.firrre.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1406925608 681106 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/raw/vAeiYiOjSN50Nu4w7dh3/ = is off by one. < 1406925642 94617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one =, to be precise. < 1406925651 257808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, your wrap around cases are now off by three. < 1406925669 949065 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1406925675 432767 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont understand D: < 1406925678 285144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you corrected the upper bound in the wrong direction :P < 1406925695 660569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be 256, not 254. and -1, not 0. < 1406925696 487779 :Guest41141!skarn@binary.firrre.com QUIT :Changing host < 1406925696 687009 :Guest41141!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1406925700 847244 :Guest41141!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn NICK :skarn < 1406925701 562148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and >0 not >=0. < 1406925708 883855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for loops) < 1406925726 896457 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1406925755 850684 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thats the 'new' version: http://hastebin.com/getinuvovo.rb < 1406925857 1119 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the w variable isn't needed anymore in the when "[". < 1406925874 222420 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a small thing I immediately noticed :P < 1406925883 892905 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.. < 1406925926 560260 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is that Ruby? < 1406925930 508949 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried it. < 1406925936 977482 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might. < 1406925962 144570 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems pretty similar to Python. < 1406925968 757358 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat. < 1406925986 476654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what's wrong with it. it looks okay to me now < 1406926023 640641 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What comes out is just... < 1406926025 622228 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :garbage < 1406926025 924463 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"H\x02\t\t\f\xE6\x00\xA9\xAC\xA6\x9E < 1406926035 36024 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( escaped, because unicode ) < 1406926035 234969 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:8: error: expected: "!!", < 1406926035 235115 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "$", "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*", < 1406926035 235205 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "***", "+", "++", "-", "->", < 1406926035 235292 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ".", "/", "/=", ":+", ":-", < 1406926035 235378 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "::", ":::", ":=", "<", "<$",14↵… < 1406926045 303745 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1406926086 447303 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's bad. < 1406926273 808926 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/9khsXU37 suddenly, sgeo < 1406926388 425255 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, there's a ##airconditioning? < 1406927378 454651 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1406927441 411628 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1406927611 817668 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406927810 819491 :tromp___!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1406928131 98175 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1406928629 112257 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1406928733 741480 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hastebin.com/ekoyoranak.rb < 1406928735 356357 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1406928741 588836 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame you unicode < 1406928755 529208 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :#failing2helloworld < 1406928822 425092 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame you vifino < 1406928833 182241 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1406928847 608503 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need help :< < 1406928909 411870 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know not the ways of ruby. you should wait for boily. boily is the ruby. < 1406928947 557640 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"boily is the ruby" 10/10 < 1406929488 160731 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame you science < 1406929620 146673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be doing wrapping on increment and decrement. < 1406929621 441002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cleaner. < 1406929628 373982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you... sort od did. < 1406929631 532360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're doing double wrapping. < 1406929640 530933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the wrapping for + and - is wrong. < 1406929645 72349 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1406929651 584605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : str+="if a[p]<=0 then;a[p]-=1;end;" < 1406929657 741492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one should be easier to spot the problem with than the other one. < 1406929720 857521 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have that on my - < 1406929755 574106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me what that code does in English < 1406929757 802144 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative numbers only, huh? avant-garde < 1406929760 364571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, just read out the logic of that if. < 1406929770 213004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, this is a bug you can solve yourself :p < 1406929783 832321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not english. any language, really < 1406929791 288399 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spanish < 1406929800 104431 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good language, lots of speakers, long literary tradition < 1406929800 764486 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1406929802 21755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. spanish. I read all my code in spanish < 1406929802 220773 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ik < 1406929835 15689 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the real problem with programming is that you don't have to think about what you're doing to translate. < 1406929837 917945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vifino: anyway, here is the wrapping logic: when a value would go below 0, it instead becomes 255. when it would go above 255, it instead goes below 0. < 1406929852 651677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your current code mismatches that in several ways, but implementing that logic directly should be simple enough < 1406929866 186677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also don't need the (incorrect) wrapping logic for every instruction. just the ones that change the value (+ and -) < 1406929885 327608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for instance, - on 0 should give 255, not 0) < 1406929914 101428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+ on 255 should give 0 not 256 (though you immediately overwrite that), and especially + on 256 should not give 257 :)) < 1406930156 445051 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DID IT :DDDD < 1406930160 220593 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1406930160 565289 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WOOOOORKS!! < 1406930164 345003 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dances < 1406930363 882520 :^v!~notnot^v@71.238.153.166 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1406930380 778170 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406930607 66077 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406930685 680613 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye all! < 1406930689 129249 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1406930861 19230 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I finally kind of understand arrows! http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/2ccbnz/attempting_to_create_a_new_monad_dsl_need_help/ < 1406931683 920971 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do you understand profunctors? < 1406932176 439837 :mhi^!~mhi@cable-95-168-137-95.cust.telecolumbus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406932176 981701 :mhi^!~mhi@cable-95-168-137-95.cust.telecolumbus.net QUIT :Changing host < 1406932177 180911 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406932484 277924 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um.... I should. I did at some point in the past, trying to port ekmett's lens suggestions into Racket < 1406932495 676158 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :p a b, (->) is a profunctor < 1406932955 404697 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406933220 147848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1406933360 228391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah the most annoying part is when you close the curve and it doesn't flash and you have to manually go through and check each number to see if it hasn't been covered <-- you know, i don't recall having that problem. * cackles evilly. < 1406933456 83900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think maybe it helps if you are careful with removing edges as well as marking them. < 1406933504 63095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because when you do that, you _will_ get a red mark eventually on incorrect numbers. < 1406933640 357954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for me, the annoying part happens when the things i have marked/removed already seem to force an erroneous move, because then a lot of backtracking may be necessary to find the error. < 1406933723 210495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course, the annoying but also exciting case when you can find no local information and need to do large global reasoning. < 1406933761 624178 :doesthiswork!~Adium@c-24-21-236-66.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1406934154 612409 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The one I like best is when one option would force the puzzle to be ambiguous, so by the guaranteed nonambiguity you can exclude it. < 1406934169 316128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1406934185 224968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i very vaguely consider that cheating if i can avoid it < 1406934261 763254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some puzzles in the collection either don't have unambiguity or have an option to turn it off. < 1406934468 407106 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it a fun metay argument. < 1406934547 818238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i sometimes use it to show that an option must be wrong, but still seeking for a different piece of evidence. < 1406934556 568162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to confirm. < 1406934630 875873 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Quit: realzies < 1406934663 554752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn i wanted to speed through 10 by 10 triangles and now i've made an error. < 1406934676 877685 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is oerjan talking about? < 1406934677 76531 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the fnord is basically " looking ahead" to figure out how < 1406934741 832446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds a fishy move he did < 1406934757 365373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: simon tatham's loopy puzzle < 1406934764 691614 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1406934799 828543 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have a look into that later. < 1406934805 143124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh still an error < 1406934904 793850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another fishy move < 1406935213 568945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes the chance on correcting a fishy mark rather than backtracking to it < 1406935339 368333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely recall there was a pattern about 1's around a center < 1406935342 393343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1406935411 186804 :hogeyui__!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1406935621 796439 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1406935677 592926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay solved < 1406935723 61589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 30 mins < 1406935762 245776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there was no patterns about 1's, i think that may have been another geometry. < 1406935764 772699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1406935769 556718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-s < 1406935862 485239 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1406936268 148536 :hogeyui__!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1406937029 922899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 hmm, it currently seems about 50:50 whether I shut down Windows 8.1 using the Settings charm, or using the context menu on the start button <-- huh, i've been going via ctrl-alt-del < 1406937030 369025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1406937098 117033 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best way to shut down a computer is by using your toes. < 1406937137 457934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well _normally_ either the power off button or just shutting the lid does what i want, but when i want to reboot i use ctrl-alt-del < 1406937173 454187 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1406937184 685304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually reboot after installing updates, which does _not_ seem to be on the start menu right click < 1406937225 319778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i cannot find any power off in the settings charm < 1406937291 744554 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to find a medium-sized penguin plushie... < 1406937345 230393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it's there, it's just marked "strøm", which means "power" but gives me the intuition of "power settings", not "power off". although the icon works the other way i guess. < 1406937404 116938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incidentally norwegian "strøm" can be translated as either "power" or "current", should confuse physicists) < 1406937470 292494 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1406937470 491624 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1406937476 364340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's not the correct word for being precise about the thing you measure in watts < 1406937488 277716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that would be "effekt" iirc) < 1406937582 649407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the physicists will also appreciate that no:kraft can be translated as either en:power (again) or en:force.