00:10:00 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[BrainCursion]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40296&oldid=40290 * 212.95.7.162 * (+740) provide sufficient evidence for Turing completeness
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07:30:32 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brainfuck implementations]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40297&oldid=40284 * Rdebath * (+209) Scanned for deadlinks, not yet for resurrections.
07:45:49 <Deewiant> Phew, 85 hours of testing later it turns out that CCBI is dieharder-clean
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08:13:48 <oerjan> Deewiant: so ccbi is your recommended interpreter for hard crypto?
08:15:37 <Deewiant> I don't think diehard/er have anything to do with CSPRNGs
08:16:32 <Deewiant> Certainly a CSPRNG should pass but passing doesn't mean it's any good for crypto
08:16:56 <Deewiant> So no, not recommended for crypto, just recommended for randomness-heavy apps in general
08:18:42 <Deewiant> It's not like Befunge by itself is good for crypto anyway, you should define a crypto fingerprint
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08:40:15 <int-e> NTH_ -- nothing to hide, with a rot13 primitive.
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08:43:10 <Deewiant> int-e: There's no rule saying they have to be 4 characters
08:46:51 <int-e> hmm. according the the ISP there has been a ddos attack against the lambdabot host, that's a first. Not targeted though, I guess. "The rolling DDoS attack continues to impact several IP blocks in our NL location."
08:47:39 <int-e> Deewiant: nevertheless that seems to be the convention
08:47:54 <Deewiant> int-e: I wouldn't add a _ just for that
08:49:43 <Deewiant> Needs > 32-bit interpreter, not that that prevents making it
08:50:12 <Deewiant> Or you map it to the modulo 2^32 value, I guess
08:50:48 <oerjan> isn't that just dropping a letter
08:52:29 <oerjan> 's ok the C was sort of unnecessary
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12:19:48 <lambdabot> LOWI 151150Z VRB02KT 9999 -SHRA FEW015 SCT050 BKN060 16/11 Q1015 NOSIG
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13:00:34 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40298&oldid=39091 * 184.7.83.126 * (+40)
13:03:05 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40299&oldid=40298 * 184.7.83.126 * (+2)
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15:44:08 <lambdabot> KATL 151452Z 31003KT 10SM FEW045 SCT250 27/16 A3007 RMK AO2 SLP170 T02720161 51007
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16:19:58 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[SYCPOL]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40300&oldid=40225 * 109.240.133.80 * (+30)
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18:10:12 <tswett> So today I thought I'd come up with a way to calculate busy beaver numbers using programs shorter than the corresponding busy beaver programs.
18:10:24 <tswett> And I thought, "I've probably made a mistake somewhere."
18:10:43 <tswett> Of course, what I really should have been thinking was one letter different. "I've provably made a mistake somewhere."
18:11:00 <tswett> Anyway, the program would have been the following.
18:11:52 <tswett> 1. Generate all programs of length 1,000. 2. Run all of them simultaneously until N of them halt (where N, hard-coded into the program, is the number of programs of length 1,000 that halt). 3. Output the running time of the longest-running program.
18:12:40 <tswett> Of course, there's a problem with this program. And it's not that N is uncomputable.
18:13:13 <Bike> having to compute N beforehand seems like kind of a bummer
18:13:27 <bb010g> Oracle machines are expensive
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18:15:39 <tswett> A bummer, yeah, but the problem here is that N can't be written concisely enough to make the program shorter than the busy beaver.
18:16:07 <tswett> (N is perfectly computable. We just don't know which program to use to compute it.)
18:25:37 <tromp__> tswett: this is like the proof that the halting proability is incompressible
18:26:05 <tswett> Yeah, that pretty much is this proof.
18:26:36 <tswett> Suppose that the halting probability is compressible. Then you can use this construction to write a program busier than any busy beaver. Contradiction.
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18:37:12 <Melvar> Is there a way to get lambdabot to output the actual string?
18:38:17 <tswett> I don't know how to do it. But it's really easy.
18:38:52 <tswett> You just say '> [some function] (map toLower "TΤТ")'.
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18:39:27 <b_jonas> > var (map toLower "TΤТ") -- Melvar
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18:55:42 <fizzie> > text (map toLower "TΤТ") -- alternatively
18:56:32 <fizzie> Different routes, same destination.
18:56:39 <ion> > text "What's up, Doc?"
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19:06:48 <tswett> > let s = " in text $ \"> let s = \" ++ show s ++ s" in text $ "> let s = " ++ show s ++ s
19:06:50 <lambdabot> > let s = " in text $ \"> let s = \" ++ show s ++ s" in text $ "> let s = " ...
19:08:11 <tswett> > let s="in text$\">let s=\" ++show s++s"in text$"> let s="++show s++s
19:08:12 <lambdabot> > let s="in text$\">let s=\" ++show s++s"in text$">let s=" ++show s++s
19:08:27 <tswett> > let s="in text$\">let s=\"++show s++s"in text$"> let s="++show s++s
19:08:29 <lambdabot> > let s="in text$\">let s=\"++show s++s"in text$">let s="++show s++s
19:08:51 <tswett> > let s="in text$\"> let s=\"++show s++s"in text$"> let s="++show s++s
19:08:53 <lambdabot> > let s="in text$\"> let s=\"++show s++s"in text$"> let s="++show s++s
19:10:48 <zzo38> How to do in MediaWiki to tell to start a numbered list at something other than number 1, and/or to use other formats for list numbering?
19:11:35 <b_jonas> zzo38: try html tags like <ol><li>. mediawiki allows most of those.
19:12:10 <zzo38> Can it not be done using the # syntax?
19:12:14 <b_jonas> alternately make an indented list (preface lines with colon) and just write the numbers by hand
19:12:24 <b_jonas> I don't think it can be, but I'm not sure
19:17:41 <b_jonas> zzo38: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:List
19:19:53 <b_jonas> zzo38: in particular, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:List#Specifying_a_starting_value
19:28:31 <zzo38> O, so that's how you do it.
19:28:54 <zzo38> Well, I have already fixed a list on another wiki by using <ol> already though
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20:11:23 <FreeFull> tswett: What are you trying to do? Quine?
20:14:24 <fizzie> I don't think the last one was "trying" any more. Modulo the unavoidable space.
20:18:32 <bb010g> > show Devour ++ show 42
20:18:33 <ion> Hah, i like Devour.
20:18:41 <bb010g> > putStrLn $ show Devour ++ show 42
20:18:47 <Melvar> I just defined it with @let just now.
20:19:04 <bb010g> > text $ show Devour ++ show 42
20:19:06 <ion> > (showsPrec 5 42 . showsPrec 5 Devour . showsPrec 5 42) []
20:20:52 <Melvar> ion: What’s its canonical name btw?
20:22:25 <ion> What’s whose canonical name?
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20:23:09 <ion> Devour has a canonical name?
20:23:21 <bb010g> Melvar: Something to do with const ""?
20:23:44 <Melvar> Well, you said “Hah, i like Devour.” as though you knew it.
20:23:57 <bb010g> Hence why show Devour ++ whatever works, but shows composition fails
20:24:04 <Melvar> bb010g: instance Show Devour where showsPrec _ _ _ = ""
20:24:30 <bb010g> @pl showsPrec _ _ _ = ""
20:24:31 <lambdabot> showsPrec = const (const (const []))
20:24:47 <ion> melvar: I had not seen it before.
20:26:05 <Melvar> > ("foo", Devour, "bar")
20:36:10 <oerjan> @let data Chomp = Chomp; instance Show Chomp where showsPrec n _ s = drop n s
20:36:27 <lambdabot> (,[1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,2...
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20:37:17 <HackEgo> Mattry: ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.)
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20:38:31 <oerjan> darn i forgot to ask how they found us
20:39:09 <lambdabot> (Just ,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,3...
20:41:40 <ion> > (42, Zalgo, "chaos")
20:41:40 <oerjan> somehow my mind blanks on any data structures shown with intermediate precedence operator constructors
20:41:41 <lambdabot> (42,HE COMES,̫̣̳ͤ͋͛̈̑̌̅"̳̟̱̗̐̋̔̏̆͠c̐̏̂̈̔ͨ͑ẖ̱̰̂ạͫͧ͠ͅö̴͚͇͉̤̣̠̆̒s̭̜̙̩ͨ͡"̅͗͊ͩ...
20:43:09 <oerjan> @let data Rev = Rev; instance Show Rev where showsPrec _ _ = reverse
20:43:23 <oerjan> > (42, Rev, Zalgo, Chomp)
20:43:24 <lambdabot> Not in scope: data constructor ‘Chomp’
20:43:43 <ion> Sorry, i screwed up and had to @undefine once
20:44:20 <oerjan> > (42, Rev, Zalgo, Rev, "chaos")
20:44:22 <lambdabot> (42,̳̣̫̅̌̑̈͛͋ͤ,̅ͥ͂͟"͇̭̞ͧͩ͊͗̅c̩̙̜̭ͨ͡h̴̠̣̤͉͇͚̒̆̈ạͧͫ͠ͅô̰̱̱s͑ͨ̔̈̂̏̐"̗̱̟̳̆̏̔̋̐͠...
20:44:51 <oerjan> > map ((,) Rev) [1..10]
20:44:53 <lambdabot> [(,2),(,4),(,6),(,8),(,10)](,)9,(,)7,(,)5,(,)3,(,)1,
20:45:10 <oerjan> > map ((,) Rev) "scramble"
20:45:12 <lambdabot> [(,'c'),(,'a'),(,'b'),(,'e')](,)'l',(,)'m',(,)'r',(,)'s',
20:45:46 <oerjan> > map (flip (,) Rev) "scramble"
20:45:48 <lambdabot> [('s',),('r',),('m',),('l',)],'e'(,),'b'(,),'a'(,),'c'(,)
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20:49:05 <tswett> ^scramble Does_anyone_wonder_what_the_period_of_this_sentence_is?
20:49:05 <fungot> De_noewne_httepro_fti_etnei?s_censsh_odie_h_awrdo_nyaso
20:49:12 <tswett> ^scramble De_noewne_httepro_fti_etnei?s_censsh_odie_h_awrdo_nyaso
20:49:13 <fungot> D_owehtpofieniscns_deharonaosy_dw__iohse_?et_t_ret_nene
20:49:19 <tswett> ^scramble D_owehtpofieniscns_deharonaosy_dw__iohse_?et_t_ret_nene
20:49:19 <fungot> Doetoinsn_eaoas_w_os_e__e_eenntrtt?ehi_dyonrhdsciefphw_
20:50:03 <nooodl> ^scramble abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ012
20:50:03 <fungot> acegikmoqsuwyACEGIKMOQSUWY021ZXVTRPNLJHFDBzxvtrpnljhfdb
20:50:13 <tswett> > length "Dtdaspen_ds_h_ohtorssofeiiynewear?etc__enoho____enetniw"
20:50:21 <nooodl> ^scramble acegikmoqsuwyACEGIKMOQSUWY021ZXVTRPNLJHFDBzxvtrpnljhfdb
20:50:21 <fungot> aeimquyCGKOSW01XTPLHDzvrnjfbdhlptxBFJNRVZ2YUQMIEAwsokgc
20:50:23 <oerjan> i think we discussed the period as a function of length at one time
20:50:48 <oerjan> and possibly found the sequence on OEIS
20:51:11 <ion> ^scramble seclrbam
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20:53:18 <tswett> OEIS surely has the sequence corresponding to the highest period of any element in the group S_n.
20:53:55 <oerjan> yes but is that the same, we don't get _all_ permutations here
20:54:57 <tswett> Probably not the same.
20:55:09 <nooodl> @let scramble = concat . (_last %~ reverse) . transpose . chunksOf 2
20:55:51 <ion> > foldr (\x xs -> x:reverse xs) "seclrbam"
20:55:57 <ion> > foldr (\x xs -> x:reverse xs) [] "seclrbam"
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20:57:03 <nooodl> @let slength = ((\(x:xs) -> 1 + length (takeWhile (/= x) xs)) . iterate scramble)
20:57:17 <nooodl> > map slength [[1..n] | n <- [1..]]
20:57:20 <lambdabot> [1,1,2,3,3,5,6,4,4,9,6,11,10,9,14,5,5,12,18,12,10,7,12,23,21,8,26,20,9,29,30...
20:58:17 <oerjan> @oeis 1,1,2,3,3,5,6,4,4,9,6,11,10
20:58:21 <lambdabot> a(n) = card {cos((2^k)*Pi/(2*n-1)): k in N}.[1,1,2,3,3,5,6,4,4,9,6,11,10,9,1...
20:58:40 <nooodl> @oeis 0,1,2,3,3,5,6,4,4,9,6,11,10
20:58:43 <lambdabot> Least number m such that 2^m == +- 1 (mod 2n + 1).[0,1,2,3,3,5,6,4,4,9,6,11,...
20:59:38 <oerjan> @sequence 0,1,2,3,3,5,6,4,4,9,6,11,10
20:59:42 <lambdabot> Least number m such that 2^m == +- 1 (mod 2n + 1).[0,1,2,3,3,5,6,4,4,9,6,11,...
21:00:20 <bb010g> @oeis 1,1,2,3,3,5,6,4,4,9,6,11,10,9,14,5,5,12,18,12,10,7,12,23,21,8,26,20,9,29,30
21:00:22 <lambdabot> a(n) = card {cos((2^k)*Pi/(2*n-1)): k in N}.[1,1,2,3,3,5,6,4,4,9,6,11,10,9,1...
21:00:25 <oerjan> int-e: there should be a command to get the link page
21:01:14 <oerjan> nooodl: that 2^m think does ring a vague bell
21:01:33 <oerjan> as in, i may have once understood why that gives the same thing
21:01:54 <bb010g> https://oeis.org/A216066
21:03:20 <oerjan> the other one is https://oeis.org/A003558
21:03:39 <oerjan> and is linked from the former with "essentially the same as"
21:04:31 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Brainfuck]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40301&oldid=39669 * Rdebath * (+7610) /* Syntax highlighting. */ new section
21:04:37 <b_jonas> oerjan: the old buubot plugin I made did give the link, but buubot is dead
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21:18:39 <b_jonas> its descendant perlbot still has that plugin working
21:19:09 <b_jonas> try /msg perlbot oeis: 3,20,28
21:19:25 <b_jonas> or if you want on a channel, try /msg #buubot perlbot oeis: 3,20,28
21:21:17 <int-e> > catalogNums <$> lookupSequence [1,1,2,3,3,5,6,4]
21:22:12 <bb010g> > lookupSequence [1,1,2,3,3,5,6,4]
21:22:14 <lambdabot> Just (OEIS {catalogNums = ["A072451"], sequenceData = [1,1,2,3,3,5,6,4,8,9,6...
21:22:39 <lambdabot> [String] -> SequenceData -> SequenceData -> String -> [String] -> [String] -> [String] -> [String] -> String -> Int -> Int -> [(Language, String)] -> [String] -> [String] -> [Keyword] -> [String] -> OEISSequence
21:23:01 <int-e> http://hackage.haskell.org/package/oeis-0.3.5/docs/Math-OEIS.html#t:OEISSequence
21:23:20 <lambdabot> SequenceData -> Maybe OEISSequence
21:23:27 <b_jonas> right... the buubot oeis plugin doesn't provide this detail, you have to follow the web link if you need the details
21:23:49 <int-e> (it's a crazy use of unsafePerformIO ... not sure that it should be trusted.)
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21:25:12 <b_jonas> int-e: the buubot plugin isn't written in haskell, does that makeit less crazy?
21:25:26 <oerjan> int-e: you could DOS OEIS with it, perhaps?
21:26:02 <int-e> oerjan: not effectively, I think
21:26:11 <int-e> (due to timeouts etc)
21:27:25 <bb010g> > foldl' getSequenceByID $ repeat "A000042"
21:27:27 <lambdabot> Couldn't match type ‘Data.Maybe.Maybe Math.OEIS.Types.SequenceData’
21:27:27 <lambdabot> Expected type: GHC.Base.String -> a -> GHC.Base.String
21:27:27 <lambdabot> -> Data.Maybe.Maybe Math.OEIS.Types.SequenceDataCouldn't matc...
21:27:55 <b_jonas> int-e: you could try with buubot too
21:28:22 <bb010g> > getSequenceByID <$> repeat "A000042"
21:28:26 <lambdabot> [Just [1,11,111,1111,11111,111111,1111111,11111111,111111111,1111111111,1111...
21:29:01 <b_jonas> but yeah, not very effectively, because the http queries to oeis will be serialized within one command you give to buubot
21:29:19 <b_jonas> you could try to use buubot's web interface to work around the irc rate limiting, but even then
21:29:25 <b_jonas> it's probably not very effective
21:29:34 <b_jonas> if you want to ddos oeis, there are probably better ways
21:29:41 <bb010g> 14:27:39 <bb010g> > foldl' (\x->getSequenceByID x`seq`()) $ repeat "A000042"
21:29:42 <b_jonas> also, don't do that even if you can
21:30:08 <bb010g> > (\x->getSequenceByID x`seq`()) <$> repeat "A000042"
21:31:35 <int-e> oeis really doesn't deserve that kind of malice. nor does lambdabot, imho
21:37:06 <b_jonas> I like buubot/perlbot, in case you haven't noticed. I helped make its macro system, which is I think more powerful than lambdabot's
21:45:07 <b_jonas> (only it's not very well documented, except by some cryptic single-line descriptions)
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21:58:58 <boily> quintopia: QUINTHELLOPIAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
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22:13:28 <boily> > scramble "CHICKEN!"
22:13:39 <boily> > scramble "CIKN!ECH"
22:13:49 <boily> > scramble "CK!CHENI"
22:13:57 <boily> will it ever rechicken?
22:14:47 <b_jonas> > map scramble (repeat "CHICKEN!")
22:14:49 <lambdabot> ["CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH...
22:15:00 <b_jonas> > map scramble (repeat "CHICKEN!")
22:15:03 <lambdabot> ["CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH...
22:15:11 <Melvar> > iterate scramble "CHICKEN!"
22:15:13 <lambdabot> ["CHICKEN!","CIKN!ECH","CK!CHENI","C!HNIECK","CHICKEN!","CIKN!ECH","CK!CHENI...
22:16:10 <boily> I was one scrambled chicken away from the unomeletted form.
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22:43:45 <int-e> > sort "unchecked permit" == sort "permuted chicken"
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22:56:09 <int-e> are scrabble players good at finding anagrams? (I employ the help of computers for finding them)
22:58:17 <boily> meanwhile, images.google.ca is dead :(
23:01:15 <zzo38> Probably you can be good at playing at Scrabble if you can find anagrams, especially if it is Anagram Scrabble.
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23:02:37 <b_jonas> no, for Scrabble you just have to memorize the crazy wordlist, especially of the short words and the words with high scoring letters
23:02:59 <b_jonas> and you have to keep up the list as they rewise the scrabble dictionary
23:03:28 <b_jonas> well, maybe they did that only once, but that time they added "QI" which like changes the whole game
23:05:44 <b_jonas> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Scrabble_Players_Dictionary says the current English dictionary is the fourth edition, but a fifth edition is planned
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23:19:17 <zzo38> Actually just knowing all of the words isn't good enough for Scrabble; it is part of it but there is other strategy involved too.
23:22:52 <boily> a move made only because you want to hear your opponent exclaim “oh fungot” is perfectly valid.
23:22:52 <fungot> boily: only in an extremely indirect way you can have more than one
23:23:28 <fungot> b_jonas: argl... do i *have* to eat the donuts, everyone!
23:23:40 <b_jonas> fungot: so what do you think really happened to her?
23:23:41 <fungot> b_jonas: a programming language of the future
23:23:59 <boily> b_jonas: which her? remember, fungot has two girlfriends.
23:23:59 <fungot> boily: maybe rtfm actually stands for rich text format.
23:24:00 <fungot> b_jonas: there was fnord in front of
23:29:53 <boily> how's the weather down South?
23:31:14 <zzo38> Do you know? Now I wrote many thing of Super ASCII MZX Town and level20.tex story into the "All The Tropes". See if you like them, or want to complain about them, add more stuff if you have more idea to add, found mistakes and you can fix it, etc? We can make multiple views rather than only my own biased kind of opinions of it.
23:35:35 <boily> I miss warm. I was near LEZL last week.
23:37:34 <boily> on vacation with my parents :D
23:39:08 <quintopia> well, you're more than welcome to vacation again down here. it should be warm for at least another month, and I'll point you to the vacationy places.
23:40:46 <boily> good enough for me. it's been raining here since I got back, we've had day with 16 °C max... uuuurgh.
23:43:59 <quintopia> i imagine you're stuck there though, what with work and Responsible Adult Living
23:45:48 <boily> Stuck: check. Adult: check. Living: uhm... I'll go with check, just to be on the safe side.
23:50:50 <quintopia> i see you are silent on the subject of Responsible
23:52:14 <boily> ♪ LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA ♪
23:52:47 <boily> seriously, I am responsible. it's just a drag.
23:56:31 <olsner> boily: you were in saville, spain?
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23:57:34 <Melvar> So, I wrote a chunksOf : (n : Nat) -> List a -> (List (Vect (S n) a), BoundedList n a)
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23:59:56 <quintopia> i am most amused by the video on wikipedia of an antlion throwing sand at an ant to prevent it escaping its trap. insects are pretty cool.