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06:31:16 <Sgeo> I wonder if there's anyone who's tried something like document.title = undefined; because they want to set the title to the word undefined, then got confused when they tried to change it to something else
06:34:28 <fizzie> That seems to work out (in Chromium's JS console, anyway) just fine.
06:34:46 <fizzie> Or by "something else" do you mean trying to not use quotes for something else too?
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07:10:36 <Sgeo> fizzie: I meant trying to not use quotes for something else too
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07:44:38 <fizzie> Right, that makes more sense. I mean, I read it first as if there was some JS weirdness that, I don't know, setting it to undefined would make it not be associated with the DOM any longer and not have it affect the title when set to something else.
08:37:13 <fizzie> Speaking of spam (like yesterday): "Series of meetings have been held over the past 7 months with the secretary general of the United Nations Organization. This ended 3 days ago. It is obvious that you have not received your fund which is to the tune of $16.5million due to past corrupt Governmental Officials who almost held the fund to themselves for their selfish reason and some individuals ...
08:37:19 <fizzie> ... who have taken advantage of your fund all in an attempt to swindle your fund which has led to so many losses from your end and unnecessary delay in the receipt of your fund."
08:39:21 <fizzie> The FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION uses @sidney.k12.mt.us addresses. That's the site for the public schools at Sidney, Montana.
08:39:52 <fizzie> Well, as the sender. For replying, they use @e-mail.ua, which sounds very legit.
08:40:44 <fizzie> "We will be issuing you a custom pin based ATM card which you will use to withdraw up to $5,000 per day from any ATM machine that has the Master Card Logo on it and the card have to be renewed in 4 years time which is 2018."
08:40:53 <fizzie> Not just any card, one with the Master Card Logo on it!
08:41:11 <fizzie> Oh, I misread. :/
08:41:24 <fizzie> It's just ATMs with the Master Card Logo. Perhaps my card won't even have it. :\
08:42:38 <fizzie> "Because we have signed a contract with FedEx which should expire by the end of september 2014 you will only need to pay $180 instead of $420 saving you $240 so if you Pay before the one week you save $240 note that any one asking you for some kind of money above the usual fee is definitely a fraudsters and you will have to stop communication with every other person if you have been in contact ...
08:42:44 <fizzie> ... with any."
08:42:46 <fizzie> I love these sentence structures.
08:42:54 <fizzie> fungot: Watch and learn.
08:42:55 <fungot> fizzie: that's it??? cool
08:43:18 <fizzie> Yeah, it's that simple.
08:43:30 <doesthiswork> sign me up $180 is a steal
08:44:42 <fizzie> "Also remember that all you will ever have to spend is $180.00 nothing more! Nothing less! And we guarantee the receipt of your fund to be successfully delivered to you within the next 24hrs after the receipt of payment has been confirmed. Note: Everything has been taken care of by the Government of Cambodia,The United Nation and also the FBI and including taxes, custom paper and clearance ...
08:44:48 <fizzie> ... duty so all you will ever need to pay is $180. -- reduce from the actual fee of $420 to $180 nothing more and no hidden fees of any sort!"
08:44:51 <fizzie> Yeah, it certainly is.
08:45:14 <fizzie> "Because we are so sure of everything we are giving you a 100% money back guarantee --" what
08:45:53 <fizzie> So even if I don't get my $16.5 million, I'll at least get my money back. So there's no risk at all!
08:46:27 <zzo38> No, ask them to take the $180 from the account they are giving you.
08:47:00 <zzo38> Which will then be the real way of having no risk at all.
08:47:29 <fizzie> I'm sure they'd have some good explanation as to how they can't touch that money before I officially receive it.
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08:48:42 <fizzie> Given the tone of the message, I'm a bit surprised they're not saying they'll include a free steak knife set or something if I reply within 24 hours.
08:50:33 <zzo38> Then you have to write a very careful authorization form.
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10:38:48 <Taneb> Did there used to be a bot in here that could execute J?
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11:08:51 <fizzie> "jconn".
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11:52:55 <boily> @tell oerjan I watched HHHMH again. you corrupted me.
11:52:55 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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12:12:15 -!- oerjan has set topic: #esoteric unglogged | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/.
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12:19:35 <oerjan> @messages-
12:19:36 <lambdabot> boily said 26m 40s ago: I watched HHHMH again. you corrupted me.
12:19:42 <oerjan> what is HHHMH
12:20:01 <oerjan> hm, he sneakily escaped.
12:20:20 <oerjan> oh right
12:20:55 <oerjan> soon we'll have boily addicted to swedish novelty songs
12:22:19 <oerjan> well if i could remember more than those two.
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12:38:20 <fizzie> http://sprunge.us/ZKBe I'm sure this is a good sign.
12:40:48 <Deewiant> They don't "have to assume", they just don't know how to test it: bad sign.
13:00:59 <fizzie> It's curious-ish because few lines earlier it's all "checking size of short... 2" "checking size of int... 4"
13:01:10 <fizzie> How do you test that when cross-compiling, incidentally?
13:03:25 <fizzie> "undefined reference to `__imp_ntohl'" hmm.
13:04:07 <Deewiant> int x = 1 / (sizeof(int) - 4); cross-compile this, if it fails the size is 4
13:04:53 <Deewiant> char x[sizeof(int)]; and then objdumping the result might be checkable if objdump has similar output for different object formats
13:04:54 <fizzie> I don't think 1 / 0 is guaranteed to fail at compile time, but right, yes, any static-assert thing will.
13:05:01 <fizzie> Like negative-length arrays or whatnot.
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13:05:56 <fizzie> And indeed static int test_array [1 - 2 * !(((long int) (sizeof (int))) <= 0)]; is what autoconf is using.
13:06:28 <Deewiant> Yeah, I'm not too familiar with pre-C11 static assertion methods
13:06:35 <fizzie> With increasing values in place of the 0.
13:07:08 <fizzie> It tries 0, 1, 3 and then compiles correctly with 7.
13:11:10 <fizzie> This is an attempt to cross-compile something on Linux for Windows with mingw-w64, and as far as I can figure out, the __imp_ntohl error is because libflac does case "$host" in *-*-cygwin|*mingw*) MINGW_WINSOCK_LIBS=-lwsock32 ;; ("only needed because of ntohl() usage, can get rid of after that's gone") but then I'm trying to link everything statically.
13:11:36 <fizzie> Perhaps I should just resign myself to having a bundle of DLLs.
13:15:10 <Deewiant> Maybe you can remove a 'dllimport' somewhere
13:16:59 <fizzie> Maybe I could just stick in a private ntohl, really.
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13:17:12 <Deewiant> That's a copout
13:18:16 <fizzie> I don't even know how to make "real DLLs" out of mingw that I could use on Windows, all these autotools project with --host=x86_64-w64-mingw32 generate just some libfoo.dll.a files in the installation directory.
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13:21:02 <fizzie> (I've made some in the past with just regular Makefiles, but all these things go with autoconf and libtool.)
13:27:53 <fizzie> I replaced the ntohl with __builtin_bswap32 since I'm building this whole heap with GCC in any case.
13:51:25 <fizzie> --enable-speed optimize for speed over accuracy
13:51:25 <fizzie> --enable-accuracy optimize for accuracy over speed
13:51:30 <fizzie> Funny ./configure flags.
13:51:40 <fizzie> I wonder what it does with --enable-speed --enable-accuracy.
13:52:54 <Deewiant> Probably the latter
13:54:49 <fizzie> Actually, no.
13:55:18 <fizzie> AC_ARG_ENABLE(accuracy, -- if test "$optimize_for" = "speed"; then optimize_for="both"; --
13:55:36 <fizzie> if test "$optimize_for" = "both"; then AC_MSG_ERROR(cannot optimize for both speed and accuracy); fi
13:55:40 <fizzie> Cute.
14:00:13 <Deewiant> Annoying
14:00:28 <Deewiant> Unless you can pass --disable-speed or similar
14:00:51 <Deewiant> Being able to override options passed earlier is convenient
14:19:16 <fizzie> Grumble frumble CMAKE_INCLUDE_PATH is set to /some/path and there is a foo.h file there, but FIND_PATH(FOO NAMES foo.h) goes all missing: FOO.
14:19:51 <fizzie> "CMAKE_INCLUDE_PATH: Path used for searching by FIND_FILE() and FIND_PATH(). Specifies a path which will be used both by FIND_FILE() and FIND_PATH(). Both commands will check each of the contained directories for the existence of the file which is currently searched."
14:19:55 <fizzie> IDGI.
14:21:43 <fizzie> Same applies to CMAKE_LIBRARY_PATH and a FIND_LIBRARY call.
14:22:57 <fizzie> I've verified these things with message()s before and after the FIND_PATH.
14:25:31 <Deewiant> strace
14:28:42 <fizzie> Ohhhh.
14:28:45 <fizzie> Thanks.
14:29:58 <fizzie> It's the cross-compilation "CMAKE_FIND_ROOT_PATH_MODE_INCLUDE ONLY" setting, it prefixes all paths with the mingw /usr/i686-w64-mingw32/ thing.
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18:30:21 <fizzie> I switched a VDSL2 modem from model A to model B, and it was all for naught.
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20:13:42 <fizzie> Where "for naught" seems to be a synonym for "yielding horrible connection problems".
20:44:02 <TieSoul> I made a Brainfuck interpreter that also gives you a nice IDE-ish shell thingy that highlights your code and saves to a file and runs your code if you run the program without args.
20:44:04 <TieSoul> :P
20:44:56 <TieSoul> It's not very fancy, it's just you type bf code and it gets highlighted
20:45:18 <TieSoul> and then it gets saved to a file and run when you exit
20:53:31 <coppro> haha
20:53:41 <coppro> you should help with nethack >_>
20:54:23 <fizzie> Saved to "a file"? Just any random file?
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22:01:25 <mroman> "By setting your repositories to be viewed publicly, you agree to allow others to view and fork your repositories."
22:01:37 <mroman> does "fork repository" include "modify the code"?
22:01:48 <mroman> it's pretty much unclear what that's supposed to mean to me
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22:02:42 <Bike> on github? it means they make a copy which they can modify
22:02:49 <Bike> doesn't affect yours
22:03:49 <mroman> yeah
22:03:49 <mroman> but
22:03:59 <mroman> a "fork" is basically a copy
22:04:03 <mroman> also
22:04:14 <mroman> "forking" doesn't grant you permission to compile the code?
22:04:52 <Bike> ...uh, if you have a copy, you can compile it, no?
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22:05:19 <Bike> unless you've smuggled DRM into gcc i guess
22:05:30 <olsner> of course you can, but are you allowed to?
22:06:03 <mroman> Per Github ToS I allow you to "fork" my repository
22:06:14 <mroman> but that doesn't necessarily mean that I allow you to make use of my software
22:08:04 <olsner> iirc their ToS somehow require that public repos are open source too, but unless you actually give the project an open-source license it somehow isn't
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22:08:51 <mroman> yeah
22:09:03 <mroman> but open source doesn't mean I don't want to sell licenses
22:09:07 <mroman> which allow people to use
22:09:10 <mroman> as in
22:09:14 <mroman> I don't care if you see the code
22:09:19 <mroman> but to use it please pay me ;)
22:10:33 <mroman> not that I intend to do that right now
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22:40:47 <elliott> mroman: anyone could just remove your license-checking code
22:41:41 <elliott> if you want to argue that you can offer source code to people but legally forbid them from compiling it in their own private time without even signing a contract, well, sorry, no.
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23:23:31 <zzo38> Would it be considered as true that: A Turing machine halts if and only if it is provable that it halts.
23:23:43 <zzo38> (It looks like it to me!)
23:27:06 <fizzie> "You shall defend GitHub against any claim, demand, suit or proceeding made or brought against GitHub by a third-party alleging that Your Content, or Your use of the Service in violation of this Agreement, infringes or misappropriates the intellectual property rights of a third-party or violates applicable law, and shall indemnify GitHub for any damages finally awarded against, and for ...
23:27:12 <fizzie> ... reasonable attorney’s fees incurred by, GitHub in connection with any such claim, demand, suit or proceeding; provided [some conditions]."
23:27:15 <fizzie> I didn't know that was in there.
23:28:07 <oerjan> zzo38: that's basically a question of whether your proof system is omega-consistent
23:28:18 <oerjan> if it is, then yes, but otherwise, maybe not.
23:29:56 <oerjan> (assuming it is strong enough to test any TM for an arbitrary number of steps.
23:29:57 <oerjan> )
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23:30:28 <zzo38> What it looks to me is that if it is halting, then one possible proof must consist of showing that the initial state implies the next state and so on until you finally reach the halting state, therefore the initial state implies the halting state therefore it halts; another way would be for the halting state to be an axiom and the initial state to be a theorem, so the possible previous states of a state are theorems made up from the previous theor
23:32:22 <oerjan> zzo38: the problem is in the other direction, if it doesn't halt but your proof system says there exists an n such that it halts after n steps but doesn't (since it obviously cannot) actually give you the n.
23:33:02 <zzo38> In that case then it seems that the proof system is not corresponding to Turing machines then.
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