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00:01:43 <boily> fungot: is an fcolor akin to a fnord? and if so, what is a nord?
00:01:43 <fungot> boily: mikä on approaching ja mikä on peculiar. anteeks että olen tyhmä. tai no en kyllä ketään fnord. such shortcuts are bad things.
00:02:07 <boily> fungot: je parle pas finnois, du moins pas encore.
00:02:08 <fungot> boily: feels like basic used to for sure.
00:02:21 <boily> fungot: no, I'm not used to it yet.
00:02:22 <fungot> boily: for most schemers, it does not implement scheme properly.)) the same place
00:02:44 <boily> fungot: ah, so the fcolor is an implementation problem?
00:02:44 <fungot> boily: yes you did. it was a joke
00:03:23 <boily> fungot: toé mon espèce de damned fiend that you are me ferai pas reprendre encore just watch me.
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02:21:31 <Imaginer1> Hi guys
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04:08:41 <newsham> "i think this time when we bomb the middle east it will help. i have a feeling about this one, gang. things are going to turn around now
04:08:44 <newsham> RETWEETS
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06:15:11 <Taneb> Morning, chaps
06:15:48 <Taneb> Assuming "chaps" is gender neutral, otherwise please substitute a suitable word fulfilling the requirements
06:16:18 <fizzie> @wn chap
06:16:19 <lambdabot> *** "chap" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
06:16:20 <lambdabot> chap
06:16:20 <lambdabot> n 1: a boy or man; "that chap is your host"; "there's a fellow
06:16:20 <lambdabot> at the door"; "he's a likable cuss"; "he's a good bloke"
06:16:20 <lambdabot> [syn: {chap}, {fellow}, {feller}, {fella}, {lad}, {gent},
06:16:21 <lambdabot> [9 @more lines]
06:16:23 <coppro> is "assless chaps" gender neutral?
06:16:24 <fizzie> Apparently not.
06:17:37 <Deewiant> "chapless ass" would be though
06:25:07 <Taneb> Although with the current gender ratios of this channel, I'm afraid that a masculine term may have been appropriate :(
06:26:15 <coppro> Taneb: that's nothing to be afraid of. Perhaps you should be disappointed, or ashamed with yourself for not getting a sex change to help make up the difference, but I don't understand why you'd be scared.
06:26:34 <shachaf> coppro: really?
06:26:51 <Taneb> coppro, I'm worried that the fault lies in the niceness of the channel
06:27:23 <coppro> shachaf: really what?
06:27:41 <zzo38> Do you know what is the current gender ratios of this channel though?
06:28:05 <coppro> elliott: you're not helping atm
06:31:43 <zzo38> Make a survey with a FORMCARD-based front-end and a SQL-based back-end, therefore the results are accessed by SQLite.
06:32:04 <Taneb> zzo38, what's FORMCARD?
06:34:43 <zzo38> A format for forms that can be filled; I know of no implementations, but it is designed to be workable whether it is done as a HTML form, or using a 3270 terminal, or printed form put into the computer manually, or a printed form with boxes to fill and then the computer scans it and automatically put into the computer (like scantron forms), or whatever else you want.
06:35:48 <b_jonas> no, we don't need a survey for that
06:36:02 <b_jonas> fungot, please tell us the current gender ratio of the channel
06:36:03 <fungot> b_jonas: fnord maybe shoulds have slept, am laughing
06:36:22 <zzo38> b_jonas: I don't mean for that.
06:37:29 <b_jonas> shouldn't we use a BANCStar backend though?
06:38:51 <zzo38> I suppose BANCStar could be used as a frontend operated over a telnet protocol or whatever, but it would be useful to query the results using SQL (even if it is only converted to SQL afterward; it doesn't have to be such right away).
06:40:30 <zzo38> I don't know if the original BANCStar implementation was designed for internet, but clearly a new one should and then you can access over telnet or SSH.
06:53:20 <zzo38> Here is the other questions of this channel: [1] The center of mass of everyone using this channel [2] Total number of computer programs written by people in this channel [3] Average of telephone numbers of people in this channel [4] Distribution of sun signs of people of this channel [5] The median of least favorite numbers of people of this channel
06:53:30 <zzo38> Probably such thing is difficult and can vary.
06:54:10 <Taneb> I'm writing a program that does the letter round in countdown (here's 9 letters, make the longest english word you can out of them)
06:54:35 <zzo38> OK
06:55:17 <Taneb> It is at https://github.com/Taneb/countdown/blob/master/Main.hs
06:55:35 <zzo38> OK, now we can see
06:56:15 <Taneb> You need to give it a dict file
06:56:27 <Taneb> (on linux these are normally in /usr/dict or /usr/share/dict
06:56:29 <Taneb> )
07:02:21 <zzo38> OK, now I looked at this program, too
07:03:25 <zzo38> I haven't tried it though; I may not have a dict file, and I have old version of GHC so I don't know if it can compile
07:03:46 <Taneb> It depends on lens which may be problematic
07:04:16 <Taneb> I'd ignore the dependency bounds listed in the cabal file, though
07:04:20 <zzo38> What is the newest GHC version anyways?
07:05:13 <coppro> there's one GHC per year
07:05:23 <oerjan> zzo38: 7.8.3
07:05:25 <zzo38> I have version 7.0.3
07:05:33 <coppro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper_Celebration_of_Women_in_Computing hth
07:06:14 <oerjan> well, there are presumably 7.9.* development versions
07:07:25 <oerjan> coppro: counting major versions, i assume. although 7.8 was unusually late.
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08:45:21 <mroman_> Taneb: You should have a lookt at haskeline
08:45:57 <Taneb> mroman_, thanks, that looks useful :)
08:47:23 <mroman_> It gives you at least moving around with arrows (left, right) and a history (up, down)
08:47:37 <mroman_> instead of ^[[D ;)
08:47:49 <mroman_> and tabcompletion
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09:33:02 <mroman_> damn ApacheDS isn't accepting my new attribute
09:33:08 <mroman_> it's not rejecting it either
09:33:14 <mroman_> it's just silently ignoring it
09:42:35 <mroman_> ah. but it accepts my dummy empty schema
09:42:39 <mroman_> well...
09:43:33 <mroman_> ok. so you can't import and overwrite the core-schema
09:43:34 <mroman_> :(
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10:29:45 <Taneb> I wrote a hideous program that prints prime numbers!
10:30:52 <Taneb> http://sprunge.us/STaa?c
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10:34:35 <Taneb> It's essentially a FORTRAN EDSL
10:36:06 <fizzie> tmp2.c:26:5: warning: format ‘%d’ expects argument of type ‘int’, but argument 2 has type ‘mp_bitcnt_t’ [-Wformat]
10:37:05 <Taneb> fizzie, should be fine
10:37:11 <Jafet> I hope this means they support 2^60 limbs now
10:38:28 <fizzie> Taneb: You're putting the "fine" back in "undefined", I see.
10:39:16 <Taneb> :)
10:40:36 <fizzie> Jafet: Sorry, "int _mp_size; /* abs(_mp_size) is the number of limbs the last field points to. */
10:41:00 <Jafet> Also, that does not resemble FORTRAN.
10:41:21 <Taneb> The other one
10:41:23 <Taneb> FRACTRAN
10:41:32 <Taneb> Sorry
10:42:54 <boily> limbs? in a compiler???
10:43:11 <Taneb> brb
10:43:11 <Jafet> Common in ARM compilers.
10:43:37 <Deewiant> typedef unsigned long int mp_bitcnt_t; %d seems far from fine, it only covers the 'int' part and not the 'long', 'unsigned', or even 'typedef'
10:43:43 <mroman_> I wrote a PI-Calc program using gmp once
10:43:58 <mroman_> the overhead in loc with gmp is really high
10:44:05 <mroman_> (if you use C)
10:44:09 <Deewiant> (%td is for printing typedef ints)
10:44:26 <fizzie> Deewiant: I guess that means you'll get about a quarter of the digits correct.
10:44:47 <mroman_> does GHC ship with gmp floats?
10:45:00 * boily mapoles Jafet
10:45:01 <Deewiant> fizzie: On average, I suppose so
10:45:11 <Jafet> ghc ships with only enough to implement Integer.
10:47:13 <fizzie> printf("%tuld", x); /* why is it not working, I have all the four things in there */
10:48:44 <Melvar> According to man 3 printf, the t length modifier indicates ptrdiff_t .
10:51:28 <Deewiant> fizzie: That would probably work in this case actually, you'd just get an extra 'ld' suffix
10:52:51 <fizzie> I don't know what t does for u in practice, but perhaps it's the unspecified "corresponding unsigned integer type" to ptrdiff_t.
10:53:08 <fizzie> Anyone willing to spelunk glibc's printf to find out?
10:55:03 <mroman_> What's a CReal?
10:55:32 <fizzie> A part of a balanced BRakfast.
10:55:50 <Taneb> fizzie++ for a terrible pun
10:55:50 <Deewiant> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/numbers-3000.2.0.1/docs/Data-Number-CReal.html
10:55:58 <mroman_> Yeah
10:55:59 <Taneb> fizzie-- for the same pun
10:56:08 <mroman_> I'm not familiar with "constructive reals"
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10:57:28 <Deewiant> LABEL (mod_ptrdiff_t):
10:57:30 <fizzie> "A tolerably efficient and possibly correct implementation --" heady praise in the headers.
10:57:30 <Deewiant> is_long_double = sizeof (ptrdiff_t) > sizeof (unsigned long int);
10:57:32 <Deewiant> is_long = sizeof (ptrdiff_t) > sizeof (unsigned int);
10:57:34 <Deewiant> JUMP (*++f, step4_jumps);
10:57:51 <Taneb> fizzie, where's that from?
10:58:00 <fizzie> Taneb: The source link, https://hackage.haskell.org/package/numbers-3000.2.0.1/docs/src/Data-Number-CReal.html
10:58:20 <Taneb> Thanks
10:59:24 <Deewiant> if (is_long_num) \
10:59:26 <Deewiant> signed_number = va_arg (ap, long int); \
10:59:46 <Deewiant> #if INT_MAX == LONG_MAX
10:59:48 <Deewiant> # define is_long_num 0
10:59:50 <Deewiant> #else
10:59:52 <Deewiant> # define is_long_num is_long
10:59:54 <Deewiant> #endif
10:59:56 <Deewiant> That's the essentials, I think
10:59:59 <fizzie> Deewiant: Good job.
11:00:17 <noconnection> Is this interesting at all? https://github.com/bfabio/brainfucker
11:00:17 <Deewiant> Although we wanted unsigned, but in that case it's 'unsigned long int'
11:01:02 <fizzie> Can't put both t and l in the same time, however; it keeps thinking the other one is the conversion specifier.
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11:03:49 <Jafet> That encoder is pretty trivial.
11:04:40 <Jafet> I wonder if it's feasible to find brainfuck encodings using sat.
11:05:07 <fizzie> For the record, the "standard" (defined by "was in EgoBot") encoder can be found at http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/files/brainfuck/util/textgen.java
11:06:40 <noconnection> fizzie: wow, that's verbose
11:06:47 <fizzie> The spectrum ranges from that down to http://andrew.hedges.name/experiments/brainf_cker/ probably.
11:07:13 <fizzie> (Found by a quick search for a brainfuck text generator, and not intended to be singled out or anything.)
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11:41:47 <mroman_> Am I a monster to like high coupling?
11:42:04 <mroman_> i.e. instead of new LdapConnection(new LdapConnectionConfig(...))
11:42:13 <mroman_> I seem to prefer new LdapConnectionConfig(..).newConnection();
11:43:57 <fizzie> LdapConnection conn = LdapConnection.builder().myThing(x).myAnotherThing(y).addSuck(Integer.MAX_VALUE).build();
11:44:36 <fizzie> Also called the "our language has no keyword arguments so we'll be faking them" pattern, I guess.
11:45:11 <fizzie> Perhaps it's slightly orthogonal to what you said, I don't know what LdapConnectionConfig looks like.
11:46:55 <mroman_> it has members like authId, authPw, authMethod, port and host
11:47:19 <mroman_> for jndi you need to put these into a Hashtable that you can feed to the DirContext constructor
11:47:41 <mroman_> LdapConnectionConfig creates the Hashtable (the context environment)
11:48:18 <mroman_> anyway, I'm pretty sure it violates coupling design principles
11:48:34 <mroman_> (since LdapConnectionConfig has to know LdapConnection)
11:52:04 <fizzie> For that sort of use, I in fact kind of like the thing I described. In detail, there'd be a nested interface LdapConnection.Config and a static method in LdapConnection to return an instance (implementation-wise, probably a private static inner class) with the default parameters, and then the Config interface would have methods to set the parameters and construct a LdapConnection.
12:02:47 <mroman_> The method isValid(Comparable<Comparable<R>>, Comparable<Comparable<R>>) in the type LdapAttributeValidator<Comparable<Comparable<R>>> is not applicable for the arguments (R, R)
12:02:50 <mroman_> wooooot
12:02:57 <mroman_> <Comparable<Comparable<R>>> looks utterly wrong
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12:04:46 <fizzie> How did you manage to get a LdapAttributeValidator<Comparable<Comparable<R>>> in the first place?
12:05:13 <mroman_> I don't know
12:05:17 <mroman_> I thought you could do it C# style
12:05:26 <mroman_> like public <T> foo()
12:05:35 <mroman_> and then call it like foo<..>()
12:05:44 <mroman_> but that's apperently not the Java-way of doing it
12:05:47 <mroman_> *apparentely
12:06:36 <fizzie> The call syntax with an explicit type parameter is not quite that, but other than that that doesn't seem *far* wrong.
12:06:45 <fizzie> Though normally type inference is supposed to take care of it.
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12:07:34 <mroman_> bleh
12:07:53 <fizzie> Did you write Comparable<T> where you wanted <T extends Comparable<T>> perhaps?
12:08:01 <fizzie> Something like that, anyway.
12:08:30 <mroman_> I have public static <R extends Comparable<R>> LdapAttributeValidator<R> getValidator
12:08:52 <fizzie> Okay, and what was the getValidator call like?
12:08:57 <mroman_> and some other method with <R extends Comparable> that calls it like
12:09:07 <mroman_> LdapAttributeValidator<R> validator = LdapAttributeValidator.getValidator
12:09:34 <mroman_> but this yields: Bound mismatch: The type R is not a valid substitute for the bounded parameter <T extends Comparable<T>> of the type LdapAttributeValidator<T>
12:09:56 <fizzie> The <R extends Comparable> should at least be <R extends Comparable<R>>.
12:10:09 <mroman_> ah
12:10:10 <mroman_> yeah
12:10:16 <mroman_> that fixes everything
12:10:43 <fizzie> There are some really obscure generic-related error messages in the javac, at least some that have to do with the capture.
12:11:28 <mroman_> The method validateAttribute(String, String, String, R, String) in the type LdapSearch is not applicable for the arguments (String, String, Integer, String)
12:11:31 <mroman_> what
12:11:48 <mroman_> It's supposed to Replace R with the type I feed it
12:11:52 <mroman_> that's how generics are supposed to work :(
12:12:29 <fizzie> Not if the parameter counts differ.
12:12:43 <fizzie> String, String, String, R, String is five items; String, String, Integer, String is four.
12:12:56 <mroman_> oh
12:12:57 <mroman_> hm
12:13:04 <fizzie> Writing that last one made me think of the spam sketch.
12:13:25 <mroman_> hu
12:14:05 <mroman_> where the hell is that fifth argument
12:14:11 <fizzie> Here's a gem of a generics error: http://sprunge.us/MWQP
12:14:23 <fizzie> It "obviously" means that it needs to be a <T> void cycle(Queue<T> q) instead. (Or with a helper method like that, anyway.)
12:14:32 <mroman_> ah
12:14:33 <mroman_> there
12:14:34 <mroman_> :)
12:15:29 <Jafet> Skolem type variables, in my coffee?
12:17:08 <mroman_> hm.
12:19:00 <mroman_> whait
12:19:04 <mroman_> this shit isn't typed??
12:19:57 <mroman_> ah really
12:19:59 <mroman_> ok
12:25:52 <mroman_> I hate it when stuff is typed but APIs only return "String"
12:25:59 <mroman_> i.e. SQL has types
12:26:03 <mroman_> but you get everything as String
12:26:07 <mroman_> LDAP has types
12:26:13 <mroman_> but you get Strings for everything :(
12:29:32 <fizzie> I didn't think you gor Strings out of JDBC.
12:30:46 <mroman_> I don't know JDBC
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12:31:00 <mroman_> but Attribut.get from JNDI gives you a string for ints
12:31:11 <mroman_> *Attribute
12:31:57 <b_jonas> use a different api then
12:32:14 <mroman_> never!
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17:05:47 <NeroReflex> hi
17:06:38 <ais523_> hi
17:09:11 <AnotherTest> Hi. Haven't been here in ages.
17:10:02 <ais523_> AnotherTest: I just assumed your test had finished by now
17:10:18 <AnotherTest> ais523_: I needed another one
17:11:50 <AnotherTest> Is fungot still around these days?
17:11:50 <fungot> AnotherTest: that doesn't even have its own distinct posix interface and the various available dialects. scheme and calvin and hobbes score, which is normally related to the
17:12:09 <AnotherTest> :)
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17:28:12 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Alphuck]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40416&oldid=40407 * Imaginer1 * (+122)
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17:48:09 <newsham> http://www.quora.com/How-does-Googles-Botguard-work
17:52:51 <newsham> some insights into the botguard script..
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21:00:50 <Lymia> http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/36645/brainfedbotsforbattling-a-brainf-tournament/37385
21:00:51 <Lymia> Yay!
21:00:53 <Lymia> I topped a hill!
21:01:01 <Lymia> I gotta go now though.
21:01:53 <ais523_> congrats Lymia, doing good work for the honour of #esoteric there
21:02:07 <ais523_> really, we /should/ be able to win that hill given the quality of other competition and how much experience we have
21:02:25 <ais523_> although it's clear that many of the other participants have read the strategy page, which is nice because it means the opposition isn't completely incompetent
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21:24:12 <fizzie> I can't help but think it'd be nicer to have more immediate feedback than just twice-a-week updates. Though I guess you can run it locally.
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22:21:13 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Cork]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40417&oldid=40385 * Oerjan * (+1) /* External Resources */ bullet
22:24:22 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[///]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40418&oldid=40382 * Oerjan * (+1) /* Implementation */ scaling back the blue
22:27:27 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Iota]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40419&oldid=40389 * Oerjan * (+12) Move top posting
22:29:37 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Truth-machine]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40420&oldid=40398 * Oerjan * (+1) Ain't no such thing
22:35:07 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[SYCPOL]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40421&oldid=40404 * Oerjan * (-2) line spacing
22:36:09 <b_jonas> I'll regret this later, but I'm building trucks
22:36:14 <b_jonas> argh, wrong channel
22:36:15 <b_jonas> sorry
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22:57:13 <boily> b_jonas: it never is the wrong channel to build trucks.
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22:57:36 <boily> @tell oerjan on a wiki-editing frenzy again?
22:57:36 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
22:58:29 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Iota]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40422&oldid=35311 * Oerjan * (+415) Clarification?
22:58:58 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Iota]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40423&oldid=40419 * Oerjan * (+101) /* Unclear */ HTH
23:05:04 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[List of ideas]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40424&oldid=40388 * Oerjan * (+32) /* Based on dimensions */ TOD
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