< 1410912008 824161 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410912470 233620 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1410912600 156186 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410914864 735969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1410914875 86593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410915292 264878 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410915409 80213 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410915541 335378 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1410915674 636961 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1410915740 769778 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410916560 87698 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-33-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1410916595 620988 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-33-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1410916595 771395 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1410917012 140333 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1410917725 227599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410917734 150173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410918507 79944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410918510 707080 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410918510 707155 :paul2520!~pi@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410918510 707221 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410918510 707290 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410918511 275067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410918511 974926 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410918512 545768 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410918512 545905 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410918513 285094 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410918514 488489 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410918517 184683 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410918520 187482 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410918521 942026 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410918522 764103 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410918593 811037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410918711 212921 :paul2520!~pi@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410918837 650796 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1410918837 854879 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1410918860 418666 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410918860 577007 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1410918860 577130 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1410918860 577201 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410918860 577268 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1410918860 577331 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1410918860 577397 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1410918860 577461 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1410918860 577525 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1410918860 577589 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1410919071 551069 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410919760 495257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410919773 809502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410919930 731198 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1410921213 676765 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1410921433 421646 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410921513 433046 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1410921688 612061 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410921688 861808 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1410921791 302744 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410921802 97537 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1410921831 896579 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410921842 310238 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:9066:878f:ca58:a9d0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410921856 479993 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410921876 117404 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1410921942 559432 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410921985 665244 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410922005 843563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1410922134 310419 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1410922976 270932 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:9066:878f:ca58:a9d0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1410923392 599438 :aquilinum!~aquilinum@207.224.37.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410923470 674270 :aquilinum!~aquilinum@207.224.37.19 PART :#esoteric < 1410923874 313197 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1410925173 260081 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar RJNK < 1410925173 651285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :RJNK 170300Z 01015KT 9999 FEW025 SCT100 BKN180 24/15 Q1014 < 1410925709 50577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410925725 361559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410928110 77345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410928122 896582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410928354 39259 :skj3gg!~Adium@2601:d:a900:86:1c61:be58:e1e4:a33b JOIN :#esoteric < 1410930643 637330 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1668135 < 1410930655 192852 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is suggesting that one pass is likely enough, is that accurate? < 1410930709 865387 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not considering the NSA as an adversary, these are confidential work documents I want to wipe < 1410931819 450847 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Move to trash < 1410931864 455264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: overwriting with zeroes means you already need an electron microscope to extract the data, and that's the second-least secure method of deletion < 1410931876 279048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program like "shred" will know exactly what to do, I suggest just using its default settings < 1410932288 939785 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shred manual surprisingly does not warn about flash memory. < 1410932318 645898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes, it won't work on an SSD < 1410932329 121159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although offhand, I'm not sure what does < 1410932341 467156 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very, very high temperature < 1410932367 830699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean software-wise < 1410932379 910484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd probably need to use firmware features for secure deletion < 1410932551 217538 :skj3gg!~Adium@2601:d:a900:86:1c61:be58:e1e4:a33b QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1410932992 931685 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A trim would cause the parts of the file in unused write blocks to be erased... sometime later < 1410933058 200674 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: on Windows. Don't know if cygwin's shred works with NTFS < 1410933077 164136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: nor do I, although I think it's likely it will < 1410933191 143113 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything wrong with using CCleaner to do it/ < 1410933227 951024 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I was expecting CCleaner to take hours. It's estimating 3 minutes. < 1410933230 478097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably also knows what to do < 1410933237 225967 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 now < 1410933245 879657 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, maybe it will take a while < 1410933280 776876 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-151-114.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1410933326 269398 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CCleaner offered number of passes as an option, which is why I asked < 1410933609 267659 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410933832 910361 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1410933960 605773 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says it's wiping MFT free space.... I don't know if I chose a wrong option < 1410934300 264910 :skj3gg!~Adium@2601:d:a900:86:f508:15c0:3bf1:6ec9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410934341 193089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1410934393 610390 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ok, wiping MFT took a short amount of time, now wiping free space itself will take hours < 1410934396 337338 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes more sense < 1410934728 314165 :skj3gg!~Adium@2601:d:a900:86:f508:15c0:3bf1:6ec9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone have a good resource for developing a lisp-style language < 1410935012 169692 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp in small pieces, THE HEALING HUM OF THE UNIVERSE < 1410935209 604856 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :skj3gg: http://www.buildyourownlisp.com/ https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Write_Yourself_a_Scheme_in_48_Hours http://norvig.com/lispy2.html < 1410936057 88193 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1410936216 218631 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-33-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1410936255 601422 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-33-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1410936255 757026 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1410936630 509821 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1410939078 877962 :skj3gg!~Adium@2601:d:a900:86:f508:15c0:3bf1:6ec9 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1410939230 817391 :skj3gg!~Adium@2601:d:a900:86:20ea:ef18:fb4b:d10d JOIN :#esoteric < 1410939851 35050 :skj3gg!~Adium@2601:d:a900:86:20ea:ef18:fb4b:d10d QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1410940194 971328 :skj3gg!~Adium@c-50-151-231-142.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410940956 20139 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it true that every finn is given an irc client in their baby package? < 1410941230 627157 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-144.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1410943357 889366 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1410943649 865708 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: let's ask fungot. fungot, is it true that every finn is given an irc client in their baby package? < 1410943650 368341 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i am not going to be there. it's version controlled!" rather than run-time because they are specifically designed for experienced users, most probably don't make it break on invalid code' :p < 1410943676 93327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what? they give clients designed for experienced users to babies? that sounds like a bad idae < 1410943676 444490 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's mind-blowing :) " whoops, our student union people have only installed the fnord and the fnord are :) < 1410944427 633626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fungot finnish? < 1410944428 632 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: imagine a bunch of toggle switches in a way that emacs would need a scheme with a sign " you're stupid if you say " monad" is. < 1410945697 122898 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rwwlysjgtynyfeou QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1410946331 64019 :skj3gg!~Adium@c-50-151-231-142.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1410947314 457967 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does fungot pass the turing test? < 1410947314 628241 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: " this is not a < 1410947332 20581 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How's the wheather in new orleans? < 1410947332 220943 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: larceny developers are sometimes seen using fnord' for blahbot:0xb7cca1ac it in < 1410947343 160913 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced that he's human . < 1410951046 351918 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about the weather in new orleans, either. < 1410952951 201685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're being given an informal Turing test, try to behave unsuspiciously enough, they must not know before it's too late. < 1410952951 443522 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: working heavily on sisc 1.13 atm i like that recommendation in the style you have to < 1410952969 625279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Good, that's exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about, carry on. < 1410952970 27549 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: don't bother with the regular ffi, because something really " fundamental" in the manual on gnu.org or soemthing?" " pop in and say hello. just walk along and try not to < 1410953188 300216 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1410953666 406591 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-33-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1410953701 394041 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the Turing-Test says probably nothing about aliens. < 1410953715 961983 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-33-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1410953716 126018 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1410953728 630837 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can observe I can't rule aut that fungot is an alien-fungoid. < 1410953728 900834 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: i'm trying to rewrite the fnord? predicate? ( car blah) ' quote), where n is the size < 1410953739 489072 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no n in that lisp code. < 1410953941 56392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an implicit n. < 1410953981 110662 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still missing an ) < 1410954000 851855 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's implicit as well < 1410954031 422496 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :LISP could learn from SGML < 1410954033 306358 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e < 1410954046 237923 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(defun foo (x) (+ x x (defun < 1410954063 617468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think quite a few systems have the notion of "terminate all open parens" with a ] or something. < 1410954101 596344 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could detect the second defun and close previous left-open parentheses < 1410954146 524156 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisPY uses indentation instead of () < 1410954169 929433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a SRFI about indentation expressions that you can mix-and-match with S-expressions. < 1410954178 579710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-49/srfi-49.html < 1410954346 121501 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1410955539 403869 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: like haskell syntax? eww, I hate that part of haskell. I prefer explicit braces. < 1410955680 87442 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1410955746 37793 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410955913 817850 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1410955968 364659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1410955979 734275 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410956266 307373 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you hate the indentation? < 1410956269 17046 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. for do? < 1410956309 767943 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can write do { foo; bar; } but if you indent it even with braces why bother putting them around statements? < 1410956371 224219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s ok he's in good company, it will be him, zzo38 and simon peyton-jones < 1410956403 788926 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we have our kill-list then < 1410956425 4550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think killing SPJ is not done, mroman_ < 1410956435 276883 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1410956444 517664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i may have to remove your haskell badge for suggesting it. < 1410956446 857573 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was a joke btw @NSA and the like) < 1410956472 686072 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I've received a haskell badge from you < 1410956474 140924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i also would not approve of killing zzo) < 1410956524 161989 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only use {} if I want to squeeze it into a single line < 1410956543 962967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you rarely need {} even then < 1410956553 934729 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not intending to kill anybody. < 1410956580 906974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for do, you can always use parentheses in a pinch) < 1410956639 823083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1410956706 953934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = 1 in case x of 1 -> y where y = x+x _ -> 2 < 1410956708 593472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:47: parse error on input ‘->’ < 1410956732 144876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, it needs ; < 1410956840 163622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thought for a moment he'd found an insane case of the parse-error rule < 1410957518 831817 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1410957584 542631 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410957994 321230 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1410959603 782021 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sfxvroqotjpalkpx JOIN :#esoteric < 1410961160 653416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, BF Joust people: are there any other scoring mechanisms to consider than these: http://zem.fi/tmp/bfjoust.html < 1410961182 465877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fiddling together a zem.fi hill to replace EgoBot's, and will be putting up a poll about the scoring, with at least those four alternatives. < 1410961838 582275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 3 equivalent to the one quintopia has been implementing < 1410961869 88948 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1410961880 822022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but it might be. < 1410961889 889618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is eigenvalue based < 1410961933 65989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :#4 is arguably eigenvalue-based, too, since the stationary distribution corresponds to an eigenvector of the transition matrix with an eigenvalue 1. < 1410961951 764581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, I have a bus to catch. -> < 1410962304 517492 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1410962370 804177 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410962769 664285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you normalize columns of D in #3 one way it becomes equivalent to #4. And just plain normalizing them by scaling each independently would result in one more method. < 1410964318 871940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not quite equivalent; counting losses could be equivalent to counting wins because symmetry, but #3 looks at the sum (wins - losses) instead. I guess there's a lot of slightly different variants possible here. < 1410964530 546513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there's the one on the bfjoust talk page on the wiki < 1410964612 471187 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sfxvroqotjpalkpx QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1410965127 774400 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1410965512 637866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's the quintopia one. < 1410965514 662929 :silent_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1410965527 513119 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pswczzglfoqdtwsx JOIN :#esoteric < 1410965587 776679 :silent_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com NICK :chaos_magic < 1410965641 473970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, rather, one of the two described there is. < 1410965666 536330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on quintopia's description of the transition matrix, I'm reasonably sure it's equivalent to my #4. < 1410965734 156327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I don't implement it via eigenvalues because (AFAIK, anyway) there may be more than one eigenvector with an eigenvalue of 1, and I don't think it's possible to tell which of them (if there are several) the initial uniform distribution will converge to. < 1410965857 986490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "ehird system" I haven't implemented, but I guess I might. < 1410965924 769710 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1410965967 490583 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1410965985 909615 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410966057 691140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my system is probably bad. < 1410966084 4265 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1410966192 241165 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : __.-"..--,__ < 1410966195 669043 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : __..---" | _| "-_\ < 1410966195 828089 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : __.---" | V|::.-"-._D < 1410966195 828232 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : _--"".-.._ ,,::::::'"\/""'-:-:/ < 1410966195 828324 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : _.-""::_:_:::::'-8b---" "' < 1410966195 828413 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : .-/ ::::< |\::::::"\ < 1410966196 642415 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : \/:::/::::'\\ |:::b::\ < 1410966197 355925 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : /|::/:::/::::-::b:%b:\| < 1410966200 693936 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : \/::::d:|8:::b:"%%%%%\ < 1410966202 899812 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : |\:b:dP:d.:::%%%%%"""-, < 1410966204 53590 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : \:\.V-/ _\b%P_ / .-._ < 1410966205 425200 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : '|T\ "%j d:::--\.( "-. < 1410966207 804907 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::d< -" d%|:::do%P"-:. "-, < 1410966209 432313 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : |:I _ /%%%o::o8P "\. "\ < 1410966213 453323 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : \8b d%%%%%%P""-._ _ \::. \ < 1410966216 701809 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : \%%8 _./Y%%P/ .::'-oMMo ) < 1410966218 749688 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : H"'|V | A:::...:odMMMMMM( ./ < 1410966220 464475 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : H /_.--"JMMMMbo:d##########b/ < 1410966221 848280 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : .-'o dMMMMMMMMMMMMMMP"" < 1410966223 488754 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : /" / YMMMMMMMMM| < 1410966225 490226 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : / . . "MMMMMMMM/ < 1410966227 603349 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : :..::..:::.. MMMMMMM:| < 1410966229 522049 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : \:/ \::::::::JMMMP":/ < 1410966229 784372 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone here have kickban powers? < 1410966231 542419 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +q :*!*@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com > 1410966231 869867 NAMES :#esoteric < 1410966255 425219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have "can't remember chanserv commands" powers. < 1410966261 475472 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah hah. < 1410966279 711863 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that feeling. < 1410966294 591357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have "keeps irc windows scrolled up so i don't see things happening" powers. < 1410966309 612599 :chaos_magic!~chaos_mag@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com PART :#esoteric < 1410966368 275806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if it was someone looking for "esoterick" esoteric. < 1410966385 78086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nick seemed to imply that. < 1410966542 883715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose we should be happy that we have few enough troublemakers that we do get to forget the chanserv commands. < 1410967472 989640 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410967552 891815 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How phallic. < 1410968024 602575 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric -q :*!*@tmo-100-52.customers.d1-online.com > 1410968024 626437 NAMES :#esoteric < 1410968348 178481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not letting the whole ascii art go through before quieting is cruel. < 1410968414 327054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, if fizzie cannot remember the command, i didn't see the spam until too late, and elliott thought the quieting was cruel, then WHO WAS PHONE? < 1410968429 654447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is there an easy way to explain the difference between #3 and #4? < 1410968436 813755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*WHO WAS DOING THE QUIETING < 1410968439 700140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think fizzie probably remembered it, just a minute late. < 1410968445 15444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1410968652 333499 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who killed the anime girl before she even got hot? < 1410968676 299563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh, it's a girl. < 1410968681 366610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally didn't realize what it was. < 1410968801 771270 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rocks everyone's boat  < 1410968803 954082 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws a computer monitor at everyone  < 1410968810 358239 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of monitors here < 1410968814 207142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't seen one in that long? < 1410968816 477816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<__< < 1410968834 333493 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with fizzie, that's really bad ascii art < 1410968875 913601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the hands. < 1410968904 63550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the top hand was some sort of a artillery piece, and the whole thing some kind of a tank. < 1410968910 574480 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you point out which part is the hands? < 1410968923 9134 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/1Y6NpJ1.png < 1410968928 260094 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a very oddly shaped island < 1410968934 608081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: You are disturbing. < 1410969076 665174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: As for #3 vs. #4, I don't rightly know. If #3 would fit in the same "transition matrix" mold as #4 does, then you could just look as to how those differ, but I don't think it can quite be mangled to fit. < 1410969080 698570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though one difference is that #3 looks at the sum of +1/-1 points while #4 looks only at the number of wins/losses. So in #3, having A-vs-B results of, say, "30 wins, 10 losses and 2 ties" is indistinguishable from "20 wins and 22 ties" (30-10 == 20); in #4 those are different. < 1410969157 780793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1410969167 156160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so #3 is closer to the system I proposed ages back, in a sense < 1410969274 341214 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-240-197.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410969685 308918 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1410969707 568680 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1410969707 722182 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOT DOOT! < 1410970427 57432 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :rightroundjack < 1410970449 504406 :rightroundjack!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1410970914 795833 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1410971112 818379 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1410971360 978315 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-240-197.public.wayport.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1410971942 982668 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1410971943 801114 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1410971964 223972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/tmp/hilltest.png It always takes me horribly long to get any sort of plot done, no matter if I do it with GNUplot or R. < 1410971995 41150 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-173-42.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1410971997 638704 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-240-197.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410972009 226109 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410972044 722926 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410972131 313244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: time to try matplotlib to shake things up a bit? < 1410972151 183978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude: top-right is a hand, I'm pretty sure. < 1410972177 781015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's a hand behind a head, I just only see it after being told. < 1410972178 200993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :below that is face and another arm. and below that, uh. < 1410972195 624878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the M's are probably armpit hair. < 1410972198 29274 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.Y.) < 1410972208 446011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, GeekDude. very articulate. < 1410972209 378066 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I see it now < 1410972229 777021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the face is a bit of a mess. < 1410972330 866021 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1410972381 211797 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/YoMpxf0.png < 1410972382 957634 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that < 1410972409 357289 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, the traditional one seems closely correlated with the iterative one < 1410972426 457757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are some pointy boobs. < 1410972438 483950 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :<.Y.> < 1410972476 956936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering if there's, like, an ascii art search engine. < 1410972512 88000 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :like google reverse image search, but for text? < 1410972564 399978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that. it'd have to be able to take prefixes. it'd pretty much only be "useful" for IRC spam. < 1410972766 741914 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any twodimensional language with explicit direction changes that moves diagonal? < 1410972823 979755 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say I extend Brainfuck with a command @ (where @ is just syntactic sugar for an infinite loop) < 1410972838 738371 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also formally require that every program ends in the character @ < 1410972859 289456 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning that the answer to the "halting" problem is trivially < 1410972866 574989 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it always loops forever < 1410972876 293449 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may crash < 1410972891 784176 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might not < 1410972960 606965 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, go on < 1410972985 82090 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's it < 1410973006 806953 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not very impressed < 1410973012 708986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: That it does. Perhaps not terribly surprising, since it's the same basic idea. < 1410973018 345366 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is, if it classifies as turing complete < 1410973031 738750 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess not < 1410973058 959871 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1410973066 667870 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1410973076 361007 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You obviously can define a trivial mapping of any bf program to a myweirdbf program and vice-versa < 1410973098 865140 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you don't < 1410973108 561240 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :convert a hello world to your language < 1410973119 589942 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just a program that outputs a simple B < 1410973120 978310 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just add an @ to a bf hello world program < 1410973124 708963 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410973132 668959 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>. < 1410973135 833616 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prints B < 1410973139 537710 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i add a @ < 1410973142 179366 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>.@ < 1410973143 910733 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB < 1410973146 729813 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :prints B < 1410973150 54299 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1410973152 322540 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1410973153 241813 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it print BBBB? < 1410973172 300112 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ just enters an infinite loop < 1410973179 835958 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1410973179 986896 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like [>+] or something < 1410973185 242214 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't repeat anything < 1410973188 295150 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming [>+] is an infinite loop) < 1410973192 802459 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i misunderstood you < 1410973208 436443 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, okay < 1410973213 166667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: "++++++[>+++++++++++<-]>." prints B and halts, though. Your program doesn't. < 1410973216 317767 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410973220 960284 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54faa3-2.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410973224 872842 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: true < 1410973239 381447 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'll perform the same "computation" < 1410973244 946110 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54faa3-2.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1410973255 710298 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-2925118321.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410973295 157460 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410973322 201503 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you consider only the state of the cells as "the observable state" < 1410973327 628522 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-2925118321.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1410973334 667418 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the observable state is equal < 1410973339 118539 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-173-42.play-internet.pl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410973340 881418 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410973341 993954 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410973343 282648 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410973345 52584 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@116.37.228.28 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410973345 52788 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410973345 52860 :variable!~root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410973345 52927 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410973345 644978 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1410973356 149766 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. like a turing machine where you can observe the tape < 1410973371 130472 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :question is: do you solve any problem with this? < 1410973379 142837 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-173-42.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1410973379 359150 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1410973379 359299 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1410973379 359369 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1410973379 359437 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1410973379 359502 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@116.37.228.28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410973379 359570 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1410973379 359636 :variable!~root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1410973379 359702 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1410973383 554548 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot write a program that halts if its input does not halt < 1410973385 520545 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's infinitely long, but that doesn't stop you from inspecting the begin of the tap < 1410973388 552992 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1410973424 315882 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously you can't solve the halting problem with this < 1410973426 700923 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1410973440 786597 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. a mybf program can't state for any bf program whether it halts or not < 1410973448 480501 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it can do so for any mybf program < 1410973464 498636 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it can state about itself whether it will halt or not < 1410973471 595055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: It can't say whether any mybf program is "done", i.e., whether it will still do something to the tape or not. < 1410973495 312185 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: for all we know @ increments every cell on the tape < 1410973501 451299 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something else < 1410973522 607967 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let's just assume it loops without doing anything < 1410973577 841445 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes < 1410973585 671493 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won't know when it's done doing observable things < 1410973798 240265 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-240-197.public.wayport.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1410974058 413656 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pswczzglfoqdtwsx QUIT : < 1410975268 800169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :More great new TLDs: ".website". < 1410975281 462599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For "www.whatever.website". < 1410975287 37270 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you wouldn't accidentally want to buy a phone number instaed. < 1410975288 603403 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :.website is... < 1410975292 326405 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1410975323 295495 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, maybe if you want to make a website about a website! < 1410975335 854593 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer .www < 1410975339 582737 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.mroman.www < 1410975382 693937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ We are aware of the issue of universal acceptability and accept that some incorrectly configured third-party software may consider ʺ.websiteʺ to be an invalid string, in the same way that other TLDs such as ʺ.infoʺ and “.museumʺ are also at times considered ʺinvalid.ʺ We will work to raise awareness of the issue of universal acceptance of .website and other new gTLDs. CentralNic ... < 1410975388 648570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... has previously contributed to these efforts, such as by publication of TLD Verification code for the PHP programming language. ]] < 1410975400 150299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, here's the "mission/purpose" part. < 1410975410 516005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The mission of the .Website TLD is to serve as a home on the Internet for users across the world. .Website aims to be a generic TLD with no preconception of meaning whatsoever, no theme, no categorizations, no restrictions of use. .Website does not restrict its scope to businesses (.Biz), commercial websites (.Com), or organizations (.Org). Unlike country TLDs (ccTLDs), it is not associated ... < 1410975411 645999 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox nowadays just assumes anything with a dot in it is a url, i think < 1410975416 859718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... with any country or region, .Website is a truly global TLD." < 1410975430 707727 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1410975434 872039 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a TLD about nothing! < 1410975441 676443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What you can do on .Website can be limited only by your imagination, which is in fact, infinite. .Website is your Home on the Internet, where you can be free, comfortable; express what you want to say, what you think. Or share interests, knowledge, or simply post information about your business, and interact with clients. .Website says nothing; it is a blank canvas for the users to paint on." < 1410975450 24032 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, this is the zombocom tld. < 1410975450 324136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :About everything! < 1410975454 999118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh c'mon, it should be .internet if they want it totally generic. < 1410975461 379932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only limited by your imagination, which is in fact, infinite. < 1410975470 853617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, you can point a domain at your intranet, right? < 1410975475 836960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I feel like I've made these exact points before. < 1410975484 453007 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/ThePitch.htm < 1410975499 220184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For users of the Internet, .Website brings many possibilities. Since you don’t have a preconceived notion of what to expect, you can come across websites ranging from those of hobbyists, to entrepreneurs, to artists, kids, photographers, mums, geeks, what not." < 1410975534 324644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They "positively believe" it will "invite innovation and fresh possibilities at a global level". < 1410975548 329911 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they paid like ten thousand earth dollars for this, yes? < 1410975579 788183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was more like a hundred thousand. < 1410975585 275149 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're surprised? the dot com boom wat a thing that happened, after all < 1410975594 493398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The initial price to apply for a new gTLD was $185,000." < 1410975598 25823 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to hurry up and happen again < 1410975632 999678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what do you have against .moe?? < 1410975666 4687 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :moe is focused. sharp. relevant to today's youth. it will survive the coming apocalypse by hook and crook. < 1410975691 870347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, сайт (Russian for "site") was one of the first ones they granted. < 1410975695 120607 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, look at http://420.moe. There is no possible objection to this website. It is a Platonic ideal of websites. < 1410975707 859133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's 5 applications in the queue for "site" too. < 1410975763 369771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see that .youtube, .chrome, .nexus, .gle, .gmail and such got delecated recently too. < 1410975786 475375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the .new and .here if you want more generic terms. < 1410975820 859789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ host goo.gle < 1410975821 10583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :goo.gle has address 127.0.53.53 < 1410975821 10778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :goo.gle mail is handled by 10 your-dns-needs-immediate-attention.gle. < 1410975822 386722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. < 1410975866 780903 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :.youtube, lol < 1410975906 776304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The mission of the proposed gTLD, .gle is to make the worldʹs information universally accessible and useful through the streamlined provision of Google services. The purpose of the proposed gTLD is to provide a dedicated Internet space in which Google can continue to innovate on its Internet offerings. Specifically, the new gTLD will augment Googleʹs offerings through existing registries, ... < 1410975912 809002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... provide Google with greater ability to categorize its present online locations around the world, and provide a more recognizable, branded, trusted web space to both the general Internet population and Google employees." < 1410975941 716780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're still being set up. < 1410975964 549909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"www.youtube" resolves to the same 127.0.53.53 + MX your-dns-needs-immediate-attention.youtube for me. < 1410975980 738545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that address just looks so incomplete somehow. < 1410975994 989764 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually youtube.com is abandoned to squatters < 1410976002 123225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how Prominent Brands snap up their trademarks in all the new TLDs, so e.g. there is google.moe and microsoft.ninja < 1410976079 982679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a http://microsoft.dating/ but it just redirects to a bing search on "microsoft". < 1410976126 181759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Host microsoft.cool not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) "ha ha" < 1410976129 802750 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case you were unaware of miccrosoft < 1410976160 327385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, they do that < 1410976162 944025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. http://xbox.moe/ < 1410976338 559494 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtube/ should exist. < 1410976384 871441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was an Official Opinion about not putting out A/AAAA records for naked TLDs. < 1410976422 192688 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame sauce. < 1410976433 730548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the new TLDs aren't allowed to do it? < 1410976435 668677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some old ones still do. < 1410976439 937000 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about CNAMEs? < 1410976444 87410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ dig +noall +answer youtube txt < 1410976444 237954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube. 3533 IN TXT "Your DNS configuration needs immediate attention see https://icann.org/namecollision" < 1410976487 508742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading that a CNAME in the root of a zone was the worst possible thing to do, back when reading about DNS for the first time. < 1410976522 643307 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, http://biz/ is life alert's official website < 1410976535 217176 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a .com, is that ironic < 1410976545 836675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't work in my browser. < 1410976626 831736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :dig only gets the usual NS (and DNSSEC) records for "biz." < 1410976661 496460 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, my browser treats http://foo/ as foo.com. < 1410976667 289002 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn. < 1410977031 339918 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1410977440 629375 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :who owns .website? < 1410977494 509370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DotWebsite Inc." < 1410977510 725830 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, and com. becomes www.com. < 1410977514 900186 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is mysterious. < 1410977530 722203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With Brijesh Joshi (Director & GM) and Namit Merchant (General Manager) as the primary and secondary contacts.) < 1410977554 527482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an "International Business Company" registered in the Republic of Seychelles. < 1410977556 555643 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and org. is w3.org... < 1410977699 75204 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently .phd will exist. < 1410977709 138194 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the academic elite who want that extra token of dickishness. < 1410977720 333864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :.university already does. Don't know how many universities have one. < 1410977728 699552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ours doesn't, at least. < 1410977741 520382 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would they? It's loony. < 1410977745 125060 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just gonna get a domain from montserrat < 1410977755 810332 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, many nations have a standard for university domains that's actually controlled. < 1410977759 650670 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like .edu and .ac.uk < 1410977932 16041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The .ac.uk domains are often nice and terse. Like the University of Sheffield have shef.ac.uk. (Though apparently that redirects to sheffield.ac.uk; how verbose.) < 1410978024 79105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And www.cl.cam.ac.uk and so on. < 1410978043 88039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the thought goes, they've got that extra suffix, they have to be frugal with the rest of the domain name. < 1410978067 462206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ox.ac.uk < 1410978101 724690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.ed.ac.uk. < 1410978360 279731 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :.ca doesn't have any vetted standard for universities *sigh* < 1410978391 496546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither does .fi. < 1410978478 121599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The domain, that is. I'm sure the country does something. < 1410978609 454256 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-goiwusystxdvooiy JOIN :#esoteric < 1410979069 406010 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1410979253 56229 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1410981219 861014 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1410983613 826444 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I am working on a project that while highly unlikely to achieve such, I would nonetheless ideally wish to see taken up by as many entities as possible, including commercial ones. < 1410983627 77227 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which software licenses are most friendly to commercial entities? < 1410983632 941508 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-144.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1410984102 502502 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :public domain < 1410984185 196179 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :proprietary if it's one company, public domain if more than one company's gonna use it < 1410986078 920792 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I suppose PD is probably the easiest option, yeah. < 1410986195 569498 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1410986228 82966 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though for selfish reasons maybe a simple one-line note requesting an acknowledgment might not be a bad idea. < 1410986877 589226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how shy commercial entities are using BSD-licensed software; some of it gets done. < 1410986953 381982 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-144.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1410987029 524181 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like it's a more popular option with the startup crowd anyway. < 1410987046 430921 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open source for the taking with no requirement to give anything back ... < 1410987128 779598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should be clear that 'public domain' was a joke answer taking 'most friendly' to the extreme < 1410987147 118687 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSD or MIT are pretty good < 1410987149 626949 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1410987210 356201 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-144.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1410987215 213808 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A joke perhaps, but still not the worst idea. < 1410987335 763963 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mad idea here is to do for abusive/threatening messages what spam filters do for spam, with some extra processing steps. Assuming the idea takes on and/or I produce anything useful, I'm less interested in protecting my time than in ensuring such a feature gets adopted by as many sites as possible. < 1410987776 511220 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1410988714 622884 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-144.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1410988857 817276 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1410989113 40026 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1410989137 447784 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1410989201 873351 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pkg.racket-lang.org is irritating me enough that I'm planning on fixing it < 1410989260 371269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1410989536 72984 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1410989983 632689 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1410990034 862957 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410990064 647230 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1410990078 438841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: BSD or MIT or CC0 < 1410990114 447208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that sounds fairly simple to do with e.g. a boring old bayesian classifier like can be used for spam? < 1410990139 678022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to make something public domain, use CC0; the law is complex < 1410990519 890782 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-144.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1410990569 124928 :alphapete!~alphapete@unaffiliated/alphapete JOIN :#esoteric < 1410990697 187198 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-goiwusystxdvooiy QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1410990772 10894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410991045 451259 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ < 1410991048 405495 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :~help < 1410991064 55311 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1410991068 61850 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1410991068 285422 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1410991070 603135 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha! < 1410991080 839464 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1410991081 579945 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ binpipes \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ crunchfuck \ :-D \ dc \ dog \ etc \ factor \ head \ hej \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ interps \ lib \ moop.txt \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1410991088 859138 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat :-( < 1410991089 528978 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​☹ < 1410991092 557144 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh < 1410991099 480821 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what I expected < 1410991272 3315 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1410992133 609733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1410992145 465099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410992512 249896 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1410992523 235444 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1410992610 166651 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Work blocks Chrome autoupdating because of course they do. Uninstalling+Reinstalling Chrome worked to update it. < 1410992615 113332 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox is allowed to auto-update < 1410992670 751685 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgello. < 1410992674 343959 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do you work again? < 1410992723 850111 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1410992771 624173 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cablevision < 1410992823 603348 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1410992906 341589 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds ominous. < 1410993372 2597 :alphapete!~alphapete@unaffiliated/alphapete QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1410993574 569552 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1410993888 330062 :alphapete!~alphapete@unaffiliated/alphapete JOIN :#esoteric < 1410994079 80902 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1410994094 898376 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1410995405 35892 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where might I find a list of (monospaced) characters sorted by area? < 1410995427 235251 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :define area? < 1410995451 564216 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :amount of space in their square taken up < 1410995464 142770 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg, . takes up less space than M < 1410995483 805877 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that depends absolutely and completely on the font you’re using. < 1410995521 404954 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1410995525 972481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you will find that in most monospaced fonts . takes up exactly as much space as M hth < 1410995567 99586 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1410995570 28377 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about shaded/filled in area < 1410995697 111660 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :▁▂▃▄▅▆▇█ < 1410995748 128665 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1410995765 83447 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will try plugging those into the program  < 1410995770 151700 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ░▒▓█ < 1410995833 475997 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :python does not like these characters < 1410995850 240069 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :treats them as syntax errors -.- < 1410995851 812368 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humbug! of course it does. < 1410995866 791260 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which python? < 1410995875 552370 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :python 2.7 < 1410995879 528591 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :the non-unicode one :P < 1410995885 571902 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then u'░▒▓█'. < 1410995953 264499 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to add # coding=UTF-8 < 1410995957 812281 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine finds them both agreeable. Without the u it uses UTF-8 bytes. < 1410995975 164861 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, why would you have to say so? < 1410996012 447591 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the infamous # -*- coding: utf-8 -*- from python 2. < 1410996034 243747 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs and python, huh. grand < 1410996067 428222 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only python I ever did was all joyously typed in vim. < 1410996125 90109 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also some idle in the very early beginning, but I was in a confused state.) < 1410996127 409190 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the emacs file variables then < 1410996139 528741 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because muscle memory from unknown sources. < 1410996154 144572 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :3spooky < 1410996173 557230 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5me < 1410996277 500133 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1410996369 457097 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $LANG < 1410996369 934457 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :en_NZ.UTF-8 < 1410996489 242301 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python --version < 1410996489 719031 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python 2.7.3 < 1410996521 328909 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does python have something like show? < 1410996541 135299 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t show < 1410996542 358772 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Show a => a -> String < 1410996557 556769 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :str(), i think? something like that < 1410996598 238079 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :repr and str. < 1410996690 577574 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python -c print repr('█') < 1410996691 56181 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `(' \ bash: -c: line 0: `python -c print repr('█')' < 1410996705 596554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Closer to repr. < 1410996722 381481 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python -c 'print repr("█")' < 1410996722 984545 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​'\xe2\x96\x88' < 1410996730 955513 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python -c 'print repr(u"█")' < 1410996731 488201 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :u'\xe2\x96\x88' < 1410996758 614613 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@2601:d:a900:86:5dcf:4c57:17b:e2be JOIN :#esoteric < 1410996849 884045 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python <<<'repr(u"█")' < 1410996850 465090 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ File "", line 1 \ SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xe2' in file on line 1, but no encoding declared; see http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html for details < 1410996885 806763 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1410996935 465078 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love strings < 1410996998 994903 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find “string” not explicit enough for a real type. < 1410997012 300320 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python <<< 'print(u"▓".__repr__())' < 1410997012 852752 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ File "", line 1 \ SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xe2' in file on line 1, but no encoding declared; see http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html for details < 1410997019 822727 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is puzzled < 1410997046 975355 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python <<<'repr(u"█")' | cat -v < 1410997047 531456 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ File "", line 1 \ SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xe2' in file on line 1, but no encoding declared; see http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html for details < 1410997062 868660 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! not the evil and vile and horrendous “cat -v”! < 1410997066 792317 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :So fun http://i.imgur.com/LkEFeoO.png < 1410997140 168500 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude: That reminds me, there was some lib for rendering using extended braille patterns. < 1410997166 744137 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you zoom in < 1410997248 994727 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Btw for me it complains of a non-ascii character, even though it accepts it by every other way. < 1410997320 984256 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: no < 1410997389 208906 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: oh well. such is life. < 1410997411 690341 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is there a Unicode Potato somewhere?) < 1410997457 146779 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find only ROASTED SWEET POTATO 🍠 < 1410997505 563764 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :potato, but also not potato. quantum potato causes hallucinate from malnourish. < 1410997531 57684 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aewefzvqytjkbtfn JOIN :#esoteric < 1410997792 623707 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1410998251 248979 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@2601:d:a900:86:5dcf:4c57:17b:e2be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1410998288 973865 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: http://i.imgur.com/NdpcBSU.png < 1410998299 280412 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the scale a variable < 1410998306 864908 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much easier than adjusting constants manually < 1410998342 651564 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude: Was that supposed to be directed at Bicyclidine? < 1410998360 397645 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1410998366 294517 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :not particularly