< 1411689616 265919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm one definition of equivalence could be: there exists at least one tape length, such that for both relative polarities of the tested programs, there exists a counterprogram that can get different outcome from the test programs. < 1411689626 346201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*non-equivalence < 1411689661 480310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the polarity part is because we might want flipped polarities not to change equivalence < 1411689763 122064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be a non-trivial equivalence, of course. < 1411689954 954249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can get a counterprogram that distinguishes between the two test programs and then reaches their IP before they have a chance to ensure win or suicide, then i suspect it can force different outcomes. < 1411690321 307488 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1411690360 970934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : you need 768 to allow for all possible defence programs <-- hm i think that's fewer than i need? < 1411690516 510687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm wait < 1411690586 970129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 768 `divMod` 11 < 1411690588 809329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (69,9) < 1411690655 599673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i didn't try to minimize it < 1411690681 123546 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FALSE14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40542&oldid=34791 5* 0377.181.84.57 5* (+122) 10External resources: add cksum implemtation < 1411690690 433150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1411690706 905144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i reading the quantifiers in his claim wrong < 1411690748 371277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he's solving a different problem < 1411690758 744188 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 3 < 1411690760 512443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 768 < 1411690785 293586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then my result is stronger i think < 1411690792 437537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ah < 1411690811 960422 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. insanely bored. < 1411690836 741991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i can at least halve that < 1411690868 713841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to beat his program on only one polarity and tape length < 1411690882 872442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1411690895 773740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah maybe that _is_ about the right order of magnitude < 1411691353 902365 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is it magnitudinally correct? < 1411691354 289704 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: fnord o'malley tells of devil-worship with box found in the shrine on the alert, is poignantly visible in every line of the fnord, and such is my knowledge that i am safe? those powers survive the life of the physical frame. her crowning rage, however, the syracusans obtained after a while, for my thoughts were still far from settled, but i produced an electric pocket lamp and viewed the crowning fnord as it was < 1411691380 447457 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: only if you worship the devil. (which, considered that it pertains to a bf joust, could be quite useful.) < 1411691831 165157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lovely crafted estimate < 1411692175 117975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie Fun fact about the Markov scoring, as pointed out by quintopia: if you do write the perfect (in terms of rest of the hill) program, all other programs will get a flat 0 as a score. <-- hm if there _are_ programs getting a flat 0, then they must lose perfectly against all that don't. so you could rerun the 0's as a second tier or something. < 1411692175 491261 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1411692314 396178 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^200 < 1411692316 147445 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1606938044258990275541962092341162602522202993782792835301376 < 1411692974 467530 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 ^ 2 ^ 2 ^ 2 < 1411692976 242676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 65536 < 1411693000 121673 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. (^) is infixr... < 1411693013 161487 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 ^ 2 ^ 2 ^ 2 ^ 2 ^ 2 ^ 2 < 1411693017 51958 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the usual convention, no? < 1411693018 385840 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1 < 1411693031 850237 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES! another bot with cryptic error messages! < 1411693046 793496 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: I couldn't remember. < 1411693068 513855 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is. of course if you need to worry about that you may have scary issues < 1411693088 167909 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my defn of equivalence is p === q = forall r polarity 10<=tapelen<=30. trace(p,r,polarity,tapelen) = trace(q,r,polarity,tapelen) < 1411693098 924016 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where trace is limited to the 100k. < 1411693121 364470 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1411693129 405860 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you actually want to omit polarity there < 1411693137 620081 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: my issues aren't scary. unless you are mentioning redmine issues, in which case I may suddenly twitche and have uncontrollable urges to mapole somebody. < 1411693156 361493 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: though then you have the weird thing where you erase the polarity but not the tape lengths < 1411693158 112815 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: whatreya doin wi nested exponentials then? < 1411693176 771578 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (as opposed to only considering warrior vs. warrior all-tape-lengths-and-polarities results, which seems obviously too coarse-grained) < 1411693189 486566 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: exploring large numbers. < 1411693190 535458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: is trace the exact list of commands the warriors execute? < 1411693200 921838 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that for tail representation, (>)*30p = (>)*30q forall p, q < 1411693211 644012 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the neverending ] representation < 1411693220 407645 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :29, even < 1411693222 314411 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wonder if powers of two are normal...) < 1411693226 474213 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's lots of subtleties there. < 1411693238 717433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: what exactly is trace < 1411693243 577297 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, I suppose so < 1411693255 852915 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was thinking it'd just be the tape + tape pointers + flag count for each step < 1411693259 815307 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*flag counter < 1411693292 322470 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should include the instructions executed to differentiate ] and . in some cases, but conjecturally you can always pick r to distinguish those anyway? < 1411693296 925331 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: iirc the end digits are constant after a while < 1411693313 452016 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :something to do with modular arithmetic, which i'm not nearly smart enough for < 1411693313 675769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: oh. so ignoring the difference between []. < 1411693326 94161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everything else counts < 1411693344 925950 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: inside the quantifier... I think the forall r is generic enough that it'd catch a q that "fakes" p's loops? < 1411693356 882401 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has to fake the loop structure for every possible r. < 1411693362 406512 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which amounts to actually doing the loops. < 1411693383 241213 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm waving my hands really fast right now!! < 1411693384 428582 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: I'll be putting that in my todo backlog list. < 1411693396 71471 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that refering to modular arithmetic.) < 1411693447 91273 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's why you can get graham's number digits from the right. < 1411693452 636017 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how about this? p === q = forall hill. add(p,hill) = add(q,hill) (note: hills contain exact points/scoring numbers) < 1411693462 166177 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham%27s_number#Rightmost_decimal_digits right ok. < 1411693485 194263 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that captures exactly what you want for a hill of all programs < 1411693594 920380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my brain just turned off < 1411693654 985374 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can determine some things about the scoring property of the ur-hill using your beat-any-program programs < 1411693663 508637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but before it turned off because you changed the definition again, i was going to say that you can only distinguish [] from . after a sufficent number of steps that r can possibly have reached your IP < 1411693681 873778 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, good point < 1411693692 227580 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of feel like [] and . really are equivalent there though < 1411693696 541547 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the results are "constant"? < 1411693711 210626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and that the cell can possibly be either 0 or nonzero < 1411693716 681149 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bf joust program starting [>] might as well be a bf joust program starting .>. < 1411693738 226677 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there'd certainly be no point having both on the same hill < 1411693819 357528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1411693871 9650 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think (forall hill. add(p,hill) = add(q,hill)) is equivalent to (forall r tapelen. exists polarity. winner(p,r,sieve,tapelen) = winner(q,r,polarity,tapelen)), which quantifies over the polarity and tapelen like you intended to. < 1411693954 116150 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could get the exact same points/score by having it win the same number of matches but in a *different* pattern of tape lengths, since they're treated as unordered (like polarities), making the former different for reasons other than polarity, but presumably when quantifying over all hills (this is where my brain turns off too) < 1411693963 368697 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was even running in the first place. < 1411693982 844700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1411693986 966666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1411694015 875502 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, my reaction too at this point. < 1411694044 92293 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's my revised opinion: I knows an equivalent program when I sees it. < 1411694050 814547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :splendid < 1411694151 69549 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: RAINBOW CHICKEN < 1411694297 241459 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i almost caught him this time < 1411694301 338007 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always so close < 1411694362 443346 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1411694427 598679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot catch rainbow chicken < 1411694437 441842 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's a good idea. if it's possible to write a perfect program, and who knows if it is, it would at least give a score. however, given that it's so unlikely to happen, is it really worth implementing? < 1411694549 422901 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1411694599 393782 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would bet money you can write a program that beats everything currently on the hill. < 1411694602 414171 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not. < 1411694646 862928 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-127-24.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1411694913 162694 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1411695167 892991 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: yes, but the only idea i have for such a thing would be that a single minor tweak to any other program would topple the whole edifice < 1411695206 142200 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's okay. < 1411695220 578755 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it might not be possible < 1411695243 87102 :Sorella!~queen@191.185.197.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411695252 138817 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might have to do a different thing at time t depending on whether the other program is p or q, and you may not have enough time to gather enough information to distinguish them and branch on that before you have to < 1411695292 988482 :Sorella!~queen@191.185.197.120 QUIT :Changing host < 1411695293 175264 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1411695509 793000 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it could be even worse. there could be a single program which you have to treat completely differently depending on the tape length, but which makes it extremely difficult to guess what the length is, for instance by having lots of flag-sized decoys adjacent to the flag. no way to tell whether you're on the flag or not until you've cleared it, and if they're smart, maybe not even then. < 1411695542 965893 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: my religion holds that for any program p there is a p' that beats it on all tape lengths and polarities. < 1411695558 537837 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, how do you tell the difference between a clever on-flag lock and ais523.preparation's lock? < 1411695581 627812 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you are claiming that unbeatable programs exist < 1411695622 645741 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I no longer believe is that for any set of programs {p_0,p_1,...,p_n} there is a p' that beats all p_n on all tape lengths and polarities. that's significantly stronger < 1411695855 423118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "48 characters should be enough for everyone." < 1411695857 177356 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 44 < 1411695994 656595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed there is not necessarily a p' that beats all p_n on a _particular_ tape length and polarity. < 1411696330 280093 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1411696667 304997 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not claiming that unbeatable programs exist. i am saying i see no proof that it is impossible to write a program such that it is guaranteed to win in at leaaast one configuration. perhaps it isn't, but i see no proof. < 1411696749 868139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof: no program wins against a duplicate of itself, ever. < 1411696806 613557 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i mispoke. i meant "not lose" instead of "win" < 1411696820 487569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1411696837 435263 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1411696878 897905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm can you write a length 10 rush that is guaranteed to never lose < 1411696904 406165 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1411696924 487149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on length 10, naturally) < 1411696932 384563 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider the same rush using a reverse offset clear < 1411696948 526545 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1411696962 527549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i don't know the bfjoust terms very well. < 1411696980 836290 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :one clears around 128 and up. one clears around 0 and up. < 1411697000 624750 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1411697001 156212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/very well/much at all/ < 1411697065 764673 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad example < 1411697085 884248 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for every rush there is a lock. let's leave it at that. < 1411697112 307917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically what i mean is, since you can assume the tape length is known, you can at least ignore all other cells than your own flag and the opponent's. < 1411697119 865268 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's impossible to write a program unbeatable on a *paritcular* configuration) < 1411697144 676825 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you would have to use the unknownness of the polarity to your advantage < 1411697154 420614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1411697160 302864 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how can it win against both fastrush and +fastrush? < 1411697162 739406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i proved that myself earlier, duh < 1411697223 488097 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it doesn't have to win. it just has to draw. < 1411697280 112421 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have perfectlength10rush, then perfectlength10rush draws it, and +perfectlength10rush should beat it? < 1411697283 540824 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1411697318 953514 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too tired for this. goodnight! < 1411697378 414085 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1411697525 584856 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did anything interesting happen this evening? < 1411697727 356612 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it about time the wiki had a new featured language < 1411697840 555620 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1411698417 384469 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You ugys < 1411698418 637191 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys* < 1411698433 51498 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Realize my current project is a program whose input is all the programs on the hill, and the output is a single program, right? < 1411698447 805889 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realize nothing. < 1411698630 979630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (basically, I used an automated system to delete codepaths from it that weren't used against any of the programs on the hill) <-- that sounds relevant to your project < 1411698655 439790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you did that, you might get an exponential program down to reasonable size, no? < 1411698699 891797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, you have at most 22*47 opponent configurations < 1411698761 502774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that then is also the maximal number of branchings < 1411698767 651309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1411698772 625795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 22*47*100000 < 1411698774 446712 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 103400000 < 1411698792 208626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok 103 Mb is still above the current limit :P < 1411698840 263948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although... < 1411698892 837603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :any compression of the 100000 steps that _doesn't_ contain a possible branch should still be compressible < 1411698919 956059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 22*47 < 1411698921 692120 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1034 < 1411698953 590189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: ^ < 1411699022 666112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course doing it this way will probably cause crash and burn against any new program, but i assume you've considered that already. < 1411699126 430307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could be used to compile down my nested ({}) structure which the bot didn't seem to support, i think < 1411699536 625905 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1411699820 958737 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1411700914 880262 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'd need a large coprus of programs not on the hill < 1411700930 690131 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And switch to, say, monolith's clear loop. < 1411701180 723987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: um the idea of deleting codepaths only works if you are willing to ignore all opponents not on the hill. < 1411701206 635276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if even then. < 1411701237 812193 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deleting all code paths... relative to wht? < 1411701241 411548 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :what* < 1411701440 500365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: relative to the hill you are trying to beat < 1411701475 375745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you this is probably not _that_ relevant if you are autogenerating a program to beat it. < 1411701529 751911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you make it out of parts of other programs, frankenstein-like. hm... < 1411701560 152876 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deleting code paths from what? < 1411701668 868222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are somehow generating a program that is over the size limit < 1411701691 983572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you only want to beat those 22*47 configurations that are on the hill already < 1411701705 381548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can delete the code paths that none of them hit. < 1411701750 413336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with some luck the remainder might fit under the limit < 1411701778 911706 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: are you stealing my idea < 1411702206 459480 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I had had it, like, a year ago < 1411702212 995594 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And gave up because I couldn't get my interpreter working right < 1411702270 876482 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had it two years ago, but never had the gumption < 1411702283 187401 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :still don't really < 1411702294 63197 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so go ahead. have fun. hope you succeed. < 1411702336 776309 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the fact that we had the same idea then could be because we talked about it in ancient times. < 1411702645 799724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_or_ maybe you had a cloning accident and were really the same person. < 1411705433 281572 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlPehnPkG8o "Norse theme" had some sounds that sounds vaguely Celtic. 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>(+)*128(>->+)*6(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721589 152961 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1411721602 434891 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes :( < 1411721642 710169 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1411721746 541669 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*128(>->+)*6(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721746 948802 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -16.60, score 9.97, rank 47/47 (--) < 1411721752 682764 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*128(>->+)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721753 66522 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -15.67, score 10.41, rank 47/47 (--) < 1411721763 867077 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*128>(-)*128(>->+)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721764 857106 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -20.31, score 8.07, rank 47/47 (--) < 1411721768 704261 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*128>(-)*128(>->+)*4(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721768 890966 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -22.14, score 7.25, rank 47/47 (--) < 1411721772 546556 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*128>(-)*128(>->+)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721772 986950 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -20.31, score 8.07, rank 47/47 (--) < 1411721780 360386 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*64>(-)*64(>->+)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721780 869743 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -11.40, score 12.80, rank 47/47 (--) < 1411721788 537644 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*64>(-)*64(>-->+)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721788 987872 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -11.36, score 12.82, rank 47/47 (--) < 1411721792 716970 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1411721792 956733 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*64>(-)*64(>-->++)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721794 17902 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -12.14, score 12.43, rank 47/47 (--) < 1411721799 581143 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*64>(-)*64(>--->+)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721800 5296 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -11.86, score 12.64, rank 47/47 (--) < 1411721807 177266 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*64>(-)*64(>(-)*10>+)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721807 832688 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -8.67, score 13.94, rank 46/47 (+1) < 1411721811 773007 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*64>(-)*64(>(-)*20>+)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721812 226850 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -8.81, score 14.37, rank 44/47 (+2) < 1411721816 390792 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*64>(-)*64(>(-)*64>+)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721816 932799 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -14.76, score 11.15, rank 47/47 (-3) < 1411721826 605260 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*64>(-)*64(>(-)*25>+)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721827 161887 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -9.29, score 13.83, rank 46/47 (+1) < 1411721834 834110 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*64>(-)*64(>(-)*20>+)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721835 890116 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -8.81, score 14.37, rank 44/47 (+2) < 1411721849 625083 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*64>(-)*64(>(-)*20>+)*4(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721850 48628 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -9.71, score 13.69, rank 47/47 (-3) < 1411721854 452769 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*64>(-)*64(>(-)*30>+)*4(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721854 798866 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -11.64, score 12.37, rank 47/47 (--) < 1411721863 658420 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*64>(-)*64(>(-)*20>++)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721864 77411 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -8.52, score 14.57, rank 43/47 (+4) < 1411721871 32642 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*64>(-)*64(>(-)*20>(+)*20)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721871 889655 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -8.76, score 14.64, rank 43/47 (--) < 1411721914 795329 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*32>(-)*32(>(-)*20>(+)*20)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721915 867353 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -8.29, score 14.84, rank 41/47 (+2) < 1411721925 704489 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*32>(-)*32(>(-)*25>(+)*20)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721926 213113 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -7.43, score 15.47, rank 37/47 (+4) < 1411721929 668773 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*32>(-)*32(>(-)*25>(+)*25)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721930 131120 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -7.50, score 15.30, rank 37/47 (--) < 1411721935 146455 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*32>(-)*32(>(-)*25>(+)*20)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721935 917210 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -7.43, score 15.47, rank 37/47 (--) < 1411721949 692795 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*16>(-)*16(>(-)*25>(+)*20)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721951 7498 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -7.55, score 15.23, rank 37/47 (--) < 1411721959 649973 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*25>(-)*25(>(-)*25>(+)*20)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721960 84876 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -8.31, score 14.87, rank 39/47 (-2) < 1411721966 814627 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust large_decoy >(+)*32>(-)*32(>(-)*25>(+)*20)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411721967 874856 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.large_decoy: points -7.43, score 15.47, rank 37/47 (+2) < 1411723708 313750 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1411725843 80681 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03ChristeShannon 5* 10New user account < 1411726978 428899 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411729589 99518 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1411729651 201058 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1411729874 64401 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1411729885 669744 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq_uptime < 1411729886 269767 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :2d 4h 1m 3s < 1411729942 901564 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "ChristeShannon")**)b2\[ < 1411729944 41839 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1000011110100011100101101001111001111101001100101101001111010001100001110111011 < 1411729951 134115 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "ChristeShannon")**)b2\[F:u[vv^^{1\/?/2\/LG}m[?*++ < 1411729951 597379 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.9755259511264973 < 1411729989 797989 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "aaaaaaaaa")**)b2\[F:u[vv^^{1\/?/2\/LG}m[?*++ < 1411729990 229187 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.9852281360342514 < 1411729993 683205 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1411730012 985297 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "aaaaaaaaa"F:u[vv^^{1\/?/2\/LG}m[?*++ < 1411730013 561121 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0 < 1411730021 123824 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "ChristeShannon"F:u[vv^^{1\/?/2\/LG}m[?*++ < 1411730021 651365 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.324862957617355 < 1411730032 14159 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "Nqn87SQA"F:u[vv^^{1\/?/2\/LG}m[?*++ < 1411730032 441541 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.0 < 1411730045 369078 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is Christe Shannon? < 1411730057 772972 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a new user on esolang org < 1411730075 141790 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right. we do have a wiki. < 1411730084 78309 :Sorella!~queen@191.185.197.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411730124 197306 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "Nqn87SQA"F:u[vv^^{1\/?/l2}m[?*++ < 1411730124 527924 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.0 < 1411730134 240031 :Sorella!~queen@191.185.197.120 QUIT :Changing host < 1411730134 426679 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1411730139 662459 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "Nqn87SQA"F:u[vvJ{1j?/l2}m[?*++ < 1411730140 66321 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.0 < 1411730169 175235 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do these password entropy calculations work? < 1411730172 799522 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not shannon entropy? < 1411730182 291896 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abcdefg"F:u[vvJ{1j?/l2}m[?*++ < 1411730182 711506 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.807354922057604 < 1411730189 737218 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- pretty much the same entropy as < 1411730198 343677 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "0bCdef!"F:u[vvJ{1j?/l2}m[?*++ < 1411730198 741456 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.807354922057604 < 1411730288 304120 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "0bCdef!"F: < 1411730288 753885 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{0.14285714285714285 'f} {0.14285714285714285 'e} {0.14285714285714285 'd} {0.1 < 1411730290 199021 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "0bCdef!"F:u[ < 1411730290 625608 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {'f 'e 'd 'b 'C '0 '!} < 1411730296 313443 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "0bCdef!"F:u[#s < 1411730296 813304 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{'f 'e 'd 'b 'C '0 '!} {0.14285714285714285 0.14285714285714285 0.1428571428571 < 1411730302 16980 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1411730307 448130 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 / 7 < 1411730309 197585 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.14285714285714285 < 1411730310 445567 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "0bCdef!"F:)[- < 1411730310 825895 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{'f} {'e} {'d} {'b} {'C} {'0} {'!}} < 1411730317 989490 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "0bCdef!"F:)-] < 1411730318 383037 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {0.14285714285714285 0.14285714285714285 0.14285714285714285 0.14285714285714285 < 1411730333 233125 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "0bCdef!"F:)-]J{1j?/l2}m[?*++ < 1411730333 704969 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.807354922057604 < 1411730461 414549 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hunter2"F:)-]J{1j?/l2}m[?*++ < 1411730461 921623 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.807354922057604 < 1411730474 246240 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2.807 / 7 < 1411730476 146605 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.40099999999999997 < 1411730492 86970 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.41. there is your answer there. < 1411730503 783454 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is going to think about the question while shampooing his hair
< 1411730521 101089 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: OXYDOREDUCTING CHICKEN < 1411730575 584938 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1411730601 760122 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hunter2"^^F:)-]J{1j?/l2}m[?*++jL[#S < 1411730602 217090 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7 < 1411730607 719147 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hunter2"^^F:)-]J{1j?/l2}m[?*++#s < 1411730608 172298 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {2.807354922057604 "hunter2"} < 1411730614 566161 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hunter2"^^F:)-]J{1j?/l2}m[?*++jL[#s < 1411730615 37858 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {7 2.807354922057604} < 1411730618 471914 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hunter2"^^F:)-]J{1j?/l2}m[?*++jL[?/ < 1411730618 965818 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.4010507031510863 < 1411730642 791332 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "mOarSecUR_*EpasswordZ!"^^F:)-]J{1j?/l2}m[?*++jL[?/ < 1411730643 229381 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.19030474299591013 < 1411730655 222587 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- so... this is pretty insecure then? < 1411730702 108859 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1411730958 662048 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't a terribly good password < 1411730973 61058 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1411730982 342724 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's three dictionary words with a bit of case/spelling wteaking and a very small number of symbols < 1411730987 536982 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't use it < 1411730997 739857 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only use 6 char passwords anyway < 1411731007 42380 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only lowercase letters < 1411731022 815745 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply because < 1411731038 71882 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sites nowadays suggest using at least one uppercase letter, one digit and one symbol < 1411731057 109104 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as a password cracker you can assume that there's at least one uppercase letter, one digit and one symbol < 1411731062 238873 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you don't have a bank account. < 1411731070 148167 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you can rule out any combinations of lowercase letters only < 1411731084 709394 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay I assume this is just a bad joke < 1411731094 744988 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the size of the set of all variations of lowercase,uppercas,digit and symbols is much larger < 1411731112 153215 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :than the set of variations of that but with the constraint that every element needs to have a digit a symbol and an uppercase letter < 1411731115 381513 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1411731142 719742 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't see why "qhtnbz" is less secure than "qHt)(7" < 1411731188 985491 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it is less secure if an attacker only tries lowercase passwords < 1411731207 87300 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do. < 1411731220 495287 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if attackers switch to only testing combinations with at least one digit and one upper case letter and one symbol < 1411731232 936699 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're better of using "abcdahenotuaaexa" as your password < 1411731235 988054 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*off < 1411731290 450687 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :password crackers tend to assume that most people use bad passwords, like you. < 1411731299 61530 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 26^6 < 1411731300 693554 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 308915776 < 1411731302 500456 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make it nice and easy for them. < 1411731304 185111 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^32 < 1411731306 178607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4294967296 < 1411731311 233181 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just sayin' < 1411731338 269213 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: why not give me an SHA-256 hash of your freenode password? < 1411731352 322097 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you have nothing to worry about < 1411731364 293230 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :6-byte lowercase passwords can be brute forced in about one millisecond < 1411731380 445512 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(consider that people are rather likely to already have hashes -- if not plaintexts -- of your passwords, thanks to widespread database compromises) < 1411731412 939682 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can give you the hash of my root password < 1411731421 769172 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^32 - (26+10)^6 < 1411731423 504265 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2118184960 < 1411731459 603911 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^32 - (26+10+32)^6 < 1411731461 446825 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -94572515328 < 1411731470 857332 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there are 32 symbols on a US keyboard, who knew? < 1411731492 66419 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :8fc56e2acf7c40526fc7060b52c54f1a24e9778d < 1411731505 87276 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: time to design an esolang < 1411731524 314376 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: what hash function is that? < 1411731541 871728 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sha-1? < 1411731593 892699 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'm going to assume that since it's your root password you don't use six lowercase letters for it and that's why you're comfortable giving it. < 1411731622 381320 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or root logins are disabled < 1411731677 499172 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assign Jafet to do the quick enumeration to check :p < 1411731709 821897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The length matches SHA-1. < 1411731787 714346 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: anyway, read http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/05/how-crackers-make-minced-meat-out-of-your-passwords/ or whatever < 1411731810 61053 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just wait for your accounts to get compromised and take that as a lesson < 1411731828 319802 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: hell, it's right there: "True to that pattern, Gosney's first stage cracked 10,233 hashes, or 62 percent of the leaked list, in just 16 minutes. It started with a brute-force crack for all passwords containing one to six characters, meaning his computer tried every possible combination starting with "a" and ending with "//////." " < 1411731850 966100 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bam, you just lost your passwords, even if you included numbers and symbols < 1411731858 376413 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03JavierRojas 5* 10New user account < 1411731881 987706 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I don't know why I'm arguing this at all. < 1411731921 105808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan That sounds like a HASSLE. (But in theory, sure.) < 1411731921 415131 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1411731969 68962 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: 6 char passwords with all printable ascii chars can be cracked in 13 minutes on a standard modern machine < 1411731986 36398 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have a machine for cracking < 1411731988 875348 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1411731989 454122 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's way less than 13 minutes < 1411732002 973803 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is this meant to be a defence of 6 char passwords? < 1411732007 621245 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm intensely confused. < 1411732049 150488 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I being trolled here. be honest. < 1411732188 22456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a freely available and reasonably small rainbow tables e.g. for sha1 hashes of all 1-10 letter lowercase-alphabetic-plus-digits passwords. < 1411732219 941982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe 587 gigabytes doesn't quite qualify as "reasonably small", but anyhow. < 1411732221 342264 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: sha-1 yes < 1411732227 637180 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : @what hash function is that < 1411732237 573225 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... no longer the question I most want an answer to at this point. < 1411732330 388861 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well which question do you want answered? < 1411732341 800792 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say, my last two. < 1411732400 169470 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bank account has two factor authentication < 1411732431 848346 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so the answer to my last question is "yes" < 1411732917 167141 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my real bank account password is 9 characters < 1411733019 269505 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...really??? < 1411733036 599560 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you just like losing all your money < 1411733310 973856 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1411733314 583746 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 is pretty good I think < 1411733323 885018 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes what < 1411733329 207498 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :days to crack it if you have the hash locally < 1411733361 649216 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you don't < 1411733416 773298 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, the official recommendation is using a length of 20 < 1411733447 373940 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1411733463 829355 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm much more worried about a trojan sniffing my password rather than somebody actually brute-forcing it < 1411733480 105012 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because brute-forcing against online banking takes much much longer than a hash locally < 1411733488 182911 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please. never find yourself in a position of power or trust over others. other than that, do whatever. < 1411733500 717053 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working in IT Security ;) < 1411733530 641493 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... really hope you're joking. < 1411733644 581300 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1411733650 681887 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really working in IT Security < 1411733661 201416 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1411733685 738499 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I'm working on privacy preserving attribute based credential systems < 1411733706 466640 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up. the universe wins. < 1411733726 498063 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't mean I use a password of length 20 for my bank account < 1411733878 610809 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anybody steals my money it's either on the street or because of a mitm-trojan that bypasses two factor authentication < 1411733950 777287 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long is your bank account password? < 1411733952 273361 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtu.be/boEb8zKfPBo | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3514324/reviews?ref_=butt < 1411733978 26524 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that 2FA makes your bank account comfortably secure. < 1411733985 797714 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect you to use a master-password and derive other passwords from it. < 1411733987 568902 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that doesn't mean you're not hopelessly wrong about password security. < 1411733991 132606 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how I'd do it. < 1411734013 639303 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bank account password is 20 characters long because that is the limit. < 1411734039 674249 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hash(hash("ebay") ++ hash("mysecretpassword")) < 1411734040 308748 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not derived from a master password (IIRC there are some potential security pitfalls with that in terms of leaking information about the master password); it is randomly generated. < 1411734043 10364 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1411734077 114138 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway that system is useless if you want to periodically change your passwords. < 1411734085 167238 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you need state anyway (a counter). < 1411734109 453831 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :change the masterpassword periodically? < 1411734112 413331 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1411734115 768608 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the site passwords < 1411734130 107354 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the site passwords is derived from the masterpassword < 1411734136 728805 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1411734144 926144 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking to you is frustrating. < 1411734147 77201 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sitePassword = hash(hash(site) + hash(masterpassword)) < 1411734152 490365 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I meant < 1411734158 442586 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: So as the master password changes, so do the site passwords. < 1411734162 413770 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know what you meant. < 1411734179 249903 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: okay, but I'd rather not have to change every single one of my passwords all at once. < 1411734185 879582 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's effort. < 1411734200 387092 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: and I also don't see the benefit in changing the master password very regularly < 1411734205 594193 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can embed a counter if you want < 1411734217 227408 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how secure hash(hash(counter) + hash(site) + hash(master)) is < 1411734225 942530 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: at that point you need to remember/store the counter; the system is no longer stateless. so just randomly generate passwords and store them encrypted. < 1411734267 553418 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1411734273 57049 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you encrypt all passwords with the same key? < 1411734342 607348 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I randomly generate all my passwords, and store them encrypted with a strong master password, yes. < 1411734403 316200 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, you should at least use a proper KDF rather than hash and ++ like that < 1411734475 762436 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no security expert btw. < 1411734486 411463 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't study security nor cryptology nor anything like that. < 1411734491 413502 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't have to tell me that. (neither am I) < 1411734562 291773 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do replay attacks on ssl? < 1411734680 461649 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess in very bad circumstances it can be done < 1411735006 130140 :Guest82163!~pi@104-6-13-61.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net NICK :paul2520 < 1411735022 518639 :paul2520!~pi@104-6-13-61.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Changing host < 1411735022 743778 :paul2520!~pi@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411736429 343875 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1411737020 365519 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1411737054 922650 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn mroman is a leading artist in password security < 1411737056 381839 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1411737068 337350 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn mroman_ is probably mroman but you can never be sure. < 1411737069 850734 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1411737091 999477 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? HackEgo < 1411737092 653815 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. < 1411737113 657472 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hax0r < 1411737114 218099 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hax0r? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1411737163 951321 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn hax0r (see ¯\(°​_o)/¯) < 1411737166 293897 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1411737170 965210 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1411737171 644243 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¯\(°​_o)/¯ is a misspelling of ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1411737171 949682 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     | < 1411737172 214463 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69   o/`¯º < 1411737477 991198 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be `append_learn < 1411737483 614149 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :``ls bin/ < 1411737484 189793 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `ls: not found < 1411737488 793938 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin < 1411737489 363912 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ ! \ ? \ ¿ \ @ \ ؟ \ ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ \  \  \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ addwep \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ as86 \ aseen \ bienvenido \ botsnack \ bseen \ buttsnack \ calc \ CaT \ catcat \ cats \ cc \ cdecl \ c++decl \ chroot \ coins \ CoInS \ complain \ complaints \ danddreclist \ define \ delquote \ < 1411737500 510111 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run find ./ | grep learn < 1411737502 524804 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​./bin/learn \ ./.hg/store/data/bin/learn.i \ ./.hg/store/data/test/learn.i \ ./.hg/store/data/interps/clc-intercal/_c_l_c-_i_n_t_e_r_c_a_l-_docs-1.-94.-2/doc/examples/quantum/learn.i.i \ ./.hg/store/data/wisdom/`learn.i \ ./interps/clc-intercal/CLC-INTERCAL-Docs-1.-94.-2/doc/examples/quantum/learn.i < 1411737518 860044 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/learn < 1411737519 354602 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed 's/^\(an\?\|the\) //;s/s\? .*//') \ echo "$1" >"wisdom/$topic" \ echo "I knew that." < 1411737552 573757 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo #!/bin/bash > bin/append_learn < 1411737553 82224 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1411737557 145981 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/? < 1411737557 725823 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec bash -c "$1" \ echo hi \ #!/bin/sh \ CMD=`echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f1` \ ARG=`echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f2-` \ exec ibin/$CMD "$ARG"#!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/noo\+dl/nooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "$topic1" = "ngevd" \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ < 1411737597 957948 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm bin/append_learn < 1411737598 535859 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `bin/append_learn': No such file or directory < 1411737614 758287 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/a* < 1411737616 419785 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/aaaaaaaaa \ bin/addquote \ bin/addwep \ bin/allquotes \ bin/analogy \ bin/anonlog \ bin/as86 \ bin/aseen < 1411737667 950483 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "echo \$//" > test < 1411737669 268181 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1411737671 908405 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat test < 1411737672 466675 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo $// < 1411737678 327580 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bin/bash test < 1411737678 830449 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: bin/bash: No such file or directory < 1411737682 93959 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ./bin/bash test < 1411737682 565605 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ./bin/bash: No such file or directory < 1411737687 264367 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bash test < 1411737687 841531 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​$// < 1411737702 537823 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "echo *\$" > test < 1411737703 899988 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1411737704 858411 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bash test < 1411737705 416687 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*$ < 1411737707 994311 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bash test wo < 1411737708 482284 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*$ < 1411737715 973402 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my lack of bash knowledge is bad :D < 1411737737 234617 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm test < 1411737738 554443 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1411737759 900669 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/learn < 1411737760 381718 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed 's/^\(an\?\|the\) //;s/s\? .*//') \ echo "$1" >"wisdom/$topic" \ echo "I knew that." < 1411737869 45999 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://codepad.org/PW0O3FBY/raw.txt < 1411737870 138617 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014-09-26 13:23:46 URL:http://codepad.org/PW0O3FBY/raw.txt [132/132] -> "raw.txt" [1] < 1411737896 34040 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv raw.txt bin/learn_append < 1411737897 749039 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1411737901 162456 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/learn_append < 1411737902 497876 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1411737907 407141 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? test < 1411737908 32197 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1411737913 709449 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn test is a test < 1411737915 198027 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1411737926 671478 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append test It's also not a test. < 1411737927 119851 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: /hackenv/bin/learn_append: /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/learn_append: Success < 1411737937 846025 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :grah < 1411737971 729908 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -e '/^M/d' bin/learn_append > bin/learn_append < 1411737973 150811 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1411737975 916839 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append test It's also not a test. < 1411737976 490274 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/learn_append: Success < 1411737991 435319 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? test < 1411737992 8365 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test is a test < 1411738006 295284 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/learn_append < 1411738006 742927 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1411738011 651696 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/learn_append < 1411738013 225220 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1411738016 753811 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1411738039 505707 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/learn_* < 1411738040 123710 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/learn_append < 1411738043 262105 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1411738163 297115 :zolbap!~zolbap@host22-120-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1411738365 332391 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1411738446 978335 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn test Hi. < 1411738448 458234 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1411738453 205131 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append test Bye. < 1411738454 322400 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1411738457 371560 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? test < 1411738457 998260 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test Hi. \ Bye. < 1411738645 640022 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run curl < 1411738646 972587 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl: try 'curl --help' or 'curl --manual' for more information < 1411738687 7273 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-36-150.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1411738694 659362 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run curl -x POST http://eso.mroman.ch/cgi/burlesque.cgi < 1411738695 207282 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl: (5) Couldn't resolve proxy 'POST' < 1411738701 480937 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run curl -X POST http://eso.mroman.ch/cgi/burlesque.cgi < 1411738702 62111 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl: (7) couldn't connect to host < 1411738840 346995 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "Hi\r\nthere\r\n"{**13/=}f[ < 1411738840 829089 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Hi\r\nthere\r\n" < 1411738911 859899 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "Hi\r\nthere\r\n"{**13!=}f[ < 1411738912 315730 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Hi\nthere\n" < 1411738915 354629 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1411738917 805917 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq /= < 1411738918 379092 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Unknown command: (/=)! < 1411738927 160100 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how ERROR-Values evaluate to true < 1411738931 821152 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq /=ck < 1411738932 337049 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlsque: (n!) Invalid arguments! < 1411738973 30850 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1411738997 140192 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1 0 2 0}{}f[ < 1411738997 681218 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {1 2} < 1411739079 598459 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1 0 2 0}q f[ < 1411739079 991266 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {f[} < 1411739187 484595 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1411739806 245421 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1411741073 580246 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/mroman_/emulathor/src/fc48fe22fdade5777099eea372e5f06e2b4d2b2b/src/rlang/std/string.rl?at=master#cl-65 < 1411741076 765714 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf did I do there < 1411741429 814743 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF (strlen [ src; ] != strlen [ dst; ]) THEN looks inefficient < 1411741448 65228 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-198.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1411741475 727729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you expected Pascal strings instead. < 1411741518 316896 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-198.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1411741586 409138 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still a huge fan of the syntax though < 1411741600 986579 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.200.152.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411741610 950777 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.200.152.250 QUIT :Changing host < 1411741611 137725 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1411741614 382973 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1411741646 946712 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-198.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1411741682 989635 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-198.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1411741683 179597 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1411741726 532459 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-198.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1411741778 287099 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-198.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1411742229 930104 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a clean readable not to pascal-ish syntax < 1411742962 5070 :perrier!~perrier@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1411743396 502933 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03DeenaQKZuynoiz 5* 10New user account < 1411743581 694149 :perrier!~perrier@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411744924 71978 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-caarqdawbwyqcvhk JOIN :#esoteric < 1411745147 84470 :perrier!~perrier@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1411745271 154180 :perrier!~perrier@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411745375 267288 :zolbap!~zolbap@host22-120-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1411745651 41787 :L8D!~seed@99-156-81-149.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1411745880 589127 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBL < 1411746137 766655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411746435 352669 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FDB.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1411746451 191199 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1411746480 133367 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1411746934 430480 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-22-12.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1411746971 350169 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-22-12.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1411746971 536935 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1411747286 673735 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1411747305 483408 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of strings does pascal have < 1411747363 924579 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :length+pointer IIRC. < 1411747365 401528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "pascal strings" normally refers to strings where the first byte gives the length < 1411747369 61802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the others are the content < 1411747385 888998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :length+pointer is Rust strings; it's less efficient than C or Pascal strings but it has very cheap slicing < 1411747390 297968 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, length inline? < 1411747401 185320 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of that idea before. < 1411747417 190362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it died out, and probably for a good reason < 1411747485 706207 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it precludes not only general slicing, but tailtaking which even null-terminated strings allow. < 1411747673 194161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: haskell@ is for announcements, not for jokes. It's meant to be low-volume. You can always send comments like that to -cafe@ < 1411747697 216138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1411747850 689763 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1411747924 422109 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok, will restrain myself in future < 1411748207 204278 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is for ... < 1411748366 305921 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1411748796 755335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Internet is for... < 1411748864 997960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is the international hub for esoteric programming language design, development and deployment < 1411749097 963998 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about BANCStar strings? < 1411749103 920035 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those efficiently slicable? < 1411749125 285034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know BANCStar < 1411749250 537901 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how it is internally implemented, but I know a MID$ function is available; one BANCStar program uses it on a string containing the entire alphabet simply to assign "N" to a variable. I suppose other methods of doing so aren't available for some reason? < 1411749257 357802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages-loud < 1411749257 664475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo asked 3d 13h 33m 30s ago: Do you have opinions on the speed of various interpreters? Supposedly this game is very impacted by such things http://emshort.wordpress.com/2012/12/31/counterfeit-monkey/ < 1411749257 851729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_ said 2d 6h 48m 29s ago: zzo38computer.org is pretty much unreachable. < 1411749271 389853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: BANCStar doesn't have constants < 1411749313 655999 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does have small integer constants < 1411749324 488007 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not? < 1411749335 856778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1411749336 76161 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check the wiki page < 1411749341 888508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I remembered wrong, though < 1411749345 553004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose you are right; actually there are string constants but they have to take up part of the same space used for variables, which is limited to 2000. And yes there are integer literals. < 1411749349 324066 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, it allows literal integers http://esolangs.org/wiki/BANCStar#Arithmetic_instructions < 1411749410 964938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the IP address for zzo38computer.org has been changed recently; try again. < 1411749495 546936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what was the TTL set to on the old domain? < 1411749511 723457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :changes won't get through to other people's computers until after the TTL expires < 1411749518 284424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, say, if it was a month < 1411749524 361743 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ strings best strings < 1411749534 314265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then other people's compuers won't know about the new IP for up to a month < 1411749536 362544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*computers < 1411749547 235147 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :length + pointer, except for when they're short, in which case they're length + data < 1411749556 82647 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the distinction is made in the low bits of the pointer < 1411749626 88878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I do not know what the TTL was set to; I don't have control over that; I only tell someone else to update it for me, and they then do so. < 1411749667 241211 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have dyndns set up for my home domain < 1411749981 519590 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the speed of the "Counterfeit Monkey" game, well, it is compiled using Inform7, which is known to be pretty bad at optimization and produces slow programs. It is also Glulx, which probably will run slower than Z-machine code anyways (although it does have some ultra-CISC instructions to speed up some normally slow things) < 1411750178 554965 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the "M" in "M-theory" stand for a word that hasn't been invented yet (but is known ahead of type to start with "M")? < 1411750244 876223 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1411750365 394641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew, I thought I'd accidentally set the TTL for motd.nethack4.org to 10 months < 1411750368 957601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out it was 10 minutes < 1411750785 688987 :mroman2!bc3de7aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.61.231.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411750794 473078 :mroman2!bc3de7aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.61.231.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting stuff going on < 1411750797 492756 :mroman2!bc3de7aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.61.231.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq_uptime < 1411750797 965195 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :2d 9h 49m 35s < 1411750802 25966 :mroman2!bc3de7aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.61.231.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1411750805 441658 :mroman2!bc3de7aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.61.231.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1411750835 288804 :mroman2!bc3de7aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.61.231.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I get blsqbot to tell me his IP address < 1411750850 639124 :mroman2!bc3de7aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.61.231.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run nslookup mroman.ch < 1411750851 261861 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: nslookup: command not found < 1411750865 5167 :mroman2!bc3de7aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.61.231.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dns is b0rken right now < 1411750953 125560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hey, what's the deal with this nethack update business < 1411750975 41524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: some source code that wasn't intended to be public got leaked < 1411751142 632830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Over the years I have found the following methods of logging out. None of them is guaranteed to work < 1411751148 307125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is trying to get a module onto CPAN
< 1411751162 982308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, they threatened to spend up to a week to approve my account, three during holidays < 1411751174 661131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that only took like 10-20 minutes < 1411751279 478664 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1411751316 828922 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back < 1411751325 26217 :mroman2!bc3de7aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.61.231.170 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1411751372 157352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The new data are registered in table users." < 1411751383 309320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :had to read that a few times before I realised it was correct grammar < 1411751510 139062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so incidentally < 1411751518 339921 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long has this bash bug been around? < 1411751528 409934 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw some suggestions that it's been there since essentially the beginning < 1411751572 753460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No action is required, but it would be a good idea if somebody would check the correctness of the new password. < 1411751582 186457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the most awesome package manager ever < 1411751612 469868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What package manager is that? < 1411751625 160672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAUSE is the backend to CPAN < 1411751641 68947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess having a different name for the frontend and backend is also something unique to PAUSE/CPAN < 1411751655 157367 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpkg/apt < 1411751773 884817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no, that's a little different < 1411751777 294097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like Debian/apt < 1411751785 983822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not exactly < 1411751796 776924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, PAUSE is where you upload the packages, CPAN does the downloading < 1411752428 731726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know, people on NESdev argue about assigning a mapper number for Game Genie; I have also requested numbers for UNL-DripGame and other things too and it hasn't been done yet. Do you have any opinions about this too though? < 1411752634 128315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are the messages: http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11659 Maybe someone other than the people on NESdev would be possible to comment on it somehow < 1411752674 517437 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I saw somewhere the figure of 25 years. < 1411752687 925740 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that would be essentially the beginning < 1411753179 625723 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, unicode has a ∰ character < 1411753261 734585 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nethack devteam code? < 1411753279 489525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: yes < 1411753287 346749 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: any links to details < 1411753295 85855 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds exciting < 1411753304 83957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :front page of nethack.org has a statement about it, although not the code itself < 1411753318 82603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know where to find the code, but don't really want to spread links to it around, on the basis that the devteam didn't want it released < 1411753324 217604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly bugfixes, though < 1411753330 172320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bug introductions < 1411753331 306829 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think the devteam want you calling your release nethack 4? < 1411753361 616578 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, who would leak nethack source, of all things? it's been 11 years < 1411753367 874841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: they're aware of the name, and haven't objected < 1411753388 686 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, changelog here: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=djZ5X2Hz < 1411753401 515538 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well, okay, but where was it leaked? usenet? < 1411753458 681174 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all i have, i'm afraid < 1411753523 367534 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We know who made it available to the public. What we don't know is where exactly he got his copy; although the list of people who could have given it to him is fairly short." nethack secrets... < 1411753631 92412 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1411753665 790215 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so I guess the dev who leaked it is probably no longer on the devteam < 1411753696 415262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know when it is supposed to be released? < 1411753706 768980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there isn't an official release date, there never is < 1411753713 479051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a policy of never officially setting a release date < 1411753717 658781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1411753725 368508 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also have a policy of never officially releasing < 1411754074 922574 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1411754099 690327 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1411754149 150180 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1411754177 568858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bftest this_will_not_modify_hill < < 1411754186 33287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, I forgot to modify the config file again. < 1411754188 743866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time same thing. < 1411754210 255473 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1411754234 738834 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1411754237 669761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bftest this_will_not_modify_hill < < 1411754237 857049 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I broke down! Ask fizzie to help! The details are in the log! < 1411754238 43734 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1411754239 848018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1411754248 743847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It worked when I tried it locally, honest. < 1411754270 251857 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must say, it's nice that it tells you it's breaking isntead of just quitting < 1411754289 531058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's mostly so that (because my nick is in the message) I'll notice something bad has happened. < 1411754307 112242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could put something in the quit message. < 1411754327 187600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does, but for some reason it doesn't show up. < 1411754336 353874 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1411754353 729071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tries to quit with "Abandon ship, abandon ship!" as the message. < 1411754377 29817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to have crashed in write_breakdown. < 1411754387 426508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: possibly a race condition; are you waiting for the ERROR response before actually closing the connection? < 1411754418 283605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's up to the bot framework, really. < 1411754428 765898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it doesn't. < 1411754452 658504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is something wrong with the speakers in my computer; sometimes it just makes a lot of noise < 1411754471 666103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't making a lot of noise what speakers are /supposed/ to do? < 1411754490 70304 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :controlled noise. < 1411754521 649712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it makes noise without being commanded by the computer; it is just a lot of cracks and pops and stuff < 1411754533 541074 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ais523 < 1411754548 177020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1411754560 595470 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you once write a warrior that tried to figure out an optimal offset? < 1411754577 625407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, decoytuner, but it was awful < 1411754593 644194 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you go about it < 1411754604 74261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically assuming all the opposing decoys were the same size < 1411754612 593776 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1411754614 440383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and measuring the first large one < 1411754622 471361 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would work a lot better on the current hill i think :P < 1411754631 369008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a second attempt, told, that I never submitted < 1411754632 693839 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1411754635 625129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bftest this_will_not_modify_hill < < 1411754635 813881 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie.this_will_not_modify_hill: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 < 1411754643 735334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which tried to estimate the size of the decoys via the number of cycles before the opponent started attacking < 1411754648 798433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't get it to work at all < 1411754650 150093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to keep using it "normally" too, but if you don't want all parameter tunings end up on the hill, the !bftest command is also an option; you can then !bfjoust when you're happy with it. (Also if you !bftest in a query, it won't post the result on #esoteric.) < 1411754651 421235 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh neat < 1411754715 631143 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inspired by few hundred overnight commits that, while in theory part of the Historical Record, are perhaps not all *that* useful for future BF Joust historians. < 1411754719 862721 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you ever try to measure the first large decoy, use that offset until it didn't work, assume the offset should be larger and measure again? < 1411754720 576497 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1411754736 81629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1411754739 885051 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411754753 626938 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you nomicking too < 1411754762 985606 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: was that directed at me? < 1411754769 84621 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1411754780 639437 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i get the idea that's the main reason you irc < 1411754829 314999 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do play nomic, but I don't IRC for nomic purposes; ##nomic is almost dead nowadays < 1411754832 666730 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1411754850 22324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I wouldn't join in a conversation there if one happened < 1411754858 917247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nomic is a very small consideration for me when choosing whether to join IRC < 1411754865 542044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of my IRCing is NetHack-related atm < 1411754871 950264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I just spent a while in #perl talking about my memory profiler < 1411755148 226430 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lilfuckabish (>+.+)*9([-]>)*3(<)*3(<)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*4(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411755148 651030 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.lilfuckabish: points -9.90, score 13.92, rank 46/47 < 1411755190 657860 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lilfuckabish (>+.+)*9([-]>)*3(<)*3(<)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*3(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411755191 95627 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.lilfuckabish: points -12.00, score 12.72, rank 47/47 (-1) < 1411755194 957126 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lilfuckabish (>+.+)*9([-]>)*3(<)*3(<)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411755195 279067 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.lilfuckabish: points -9.17, score 14.32, rank 45/47 (+2) < 1411755329 668217 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you ever try to measure the first large decoy, use that offset until it didn't work, assume the offset should be larger and measure again? < 1411755344 675404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no, especially because that program would be very large < 1411755359 407864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, something to note: if a decoy is 86 or larger, you don't gain at all even from a correct offset < 1411755366 452199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that you can't also predict the parity < 1411755376 148859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you shouldn't be able to predict the parity against a well-written program) < 1411755396 109635 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd think if you could measure decoys, you could just say "switch to reverse offset clear" at that point < 1411755403 106313 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and polarity wouldn't matter < 1411755436 696267 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there no compact way to measure decoys under the assumption that they always increase in size? < 1411755440 796949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: actually, something I've been thinking about a lot recently < 1411755443 570641 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do not decrease < 1411755454 314352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that once you find a large decoy, there's normally nothing but large decoys from there < 1411755461 928248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they're large enough, reverse offset clear is fastest < 1411755472 546585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so long as the offset's less than the size of the deocy < 1411755475 380799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*decoy < 1411755503 564937 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this would be the sane way to handle something like preparation too. there's no way to avoid chewing through lots of decoys there, so might as well be the fastest at it < 1411755531 323861 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i think you should submit preparation to the stackoverflow hill just for funsies < 1411755555 136994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: monolith was born when I realised you could beat preparation just by setting more than 7 decoys and having an equally good clear loop < 1411755562 396533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't have a stackoverflow account < 1411755577 344783 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i might... < 1411755599 14999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :submit space_hotel (although, might want to screw with it to beat nyuroki first) < 1411755627 295353 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's why we're discussing offset tuning :P < 1411755654 329295 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i don't really want to submit space_hotel < 1411755661 919958 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's time to try new things < 1411755802 513268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did try adding a /small/ reverse offset clear (as in, (+)*5[+]) to one of my programs after the early timer had expired < 1411755805 140508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it did terribly < 1411755816 242965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think because there are still several programs that don't decoy all the way to their flag < 1411756013 862576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1411756029 389997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411756064 533598 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1411756201 259197 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the SO hill ridiculously buggy? < 1411756203 742508 :SvenGek!ac0798ed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.172.7.152.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411756203 932426 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did Lymia fix the bus < 1411756204 854613 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugs < 1411756269 170889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't accept ()% last I looked, not sure if it does now < 1411756293 888126 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if there is a way for space_hotel to beat nyuroki. < 1411756362 433736 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1411756456 516930 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing i can think of is adjust the polarity of decoys < 1411756473 341908 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would take a lot of work since space_hotel has no script to generate it < 1411756512 508056 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but having the last two decoys go in opposite directions might improve things slightly < 1411756611 481831 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also maybe using your idea of having the offset be smaller depending on when the enemy is first seen on my side and how far away they were first seen on their side < 1411756814 516695 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some tape lengths where nyuroki wins by leaving a trail that happens to be the same as space_hotel's tripwire < 1411758077 286564 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lilfuckabish (>+.+)*9([-]>)*3(<)*3(<)*9(>(+)*30>(-)*30)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411758077 739721 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.lilfuckabish: points -11.62, score 12.57, rank 47/47 (-2) < 1411758086 355474 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lilfuckabish (>+.+)*9([-]>)*3(<)*3(<)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411758086 740467 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.lilfuckabish: points -9.17, score 14.32, rank 45/47 (+2) < 1411758095 452654 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lilfuckabish (>++)*9([-]>)*3(<)*3(<)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411758095 814257 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.lilfuckabish: points -5.76, score 16.70, rank 33/47 (+12) < 1411758104 968495 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lilfuckabish (>+)*9([-]>)*3(<)*3(<)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411758105 398220 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.lilfuckabish: points -4.02, score 17.96, rank 26/47 (+7) < 1411758118 205809 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lilfuckabish (>)*9([-]>)*3(<)*3(<)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411758118 576123 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.lilfuckabish: points -2.05, score 19.77, rank 21/47 (+5) < 1411758146 799211 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1411758161 469828 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lilfuckabish (>)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411758161 865702 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.lilfuckabish: points -22.74, score 6.96, rank 47/47 (-26) < 1411758164 425050 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lilfuckabish (>)*9([-]>)*3(<)*3(<)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411758164 825812 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.lilfuckabish: points -2.05, score 19.77, rank 21/47 (+26) < 1411758258 877818 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lilfuckabish (>)*9([-]>)*3(<-)*3(<)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411758259 236501 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.lilfuckabish: points 1.52, score 23.07, rank 11/47 (+10) < 1411758266 541763 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lilfuckabish (>)*9([-]>)*3(<---)*3(<)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411758267 27109 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.lilfuckabish: points 1.12, score 22.48, rank 15/47 (-4) < 1411758271 889865 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lilfuckabish (>)*9([-]>)*3(<--)*3(<)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411758272 282070 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.lilfuckabish: points 1.83, score 23.30, rank 11/47 (+4) < 1411758284 344665 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lilfuckabish (>)*9([-]>)*3(<--)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411758284 878399 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.lilfuckabish: points 2.40, score 23.89, rank 10/47 (+1) < 1411758292 11599 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lilfuckabish (>)*9([-]>)*3(<--)*3(<--)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411758292 365011 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.lilfuckabish: points 1.67, score 23.01, rank 11/47 (-1) < 1411758300 109505 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lilfuckabish (>)*9([-]>)*3(<--)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*6[-].])*-1 < 1411758300 542112 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.lilfuckabish: points 2.40, score 23.89, rank 10/47 (+1) < 1411758502 90708 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats growth and nyuroki < 1411758507 574282 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite happy with that < 1411758643 995142 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411758664 403881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1411758666 187434 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1411758907 771576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: In case you didn't notice, I added a !bftest command that you can use if you want to 'quietly' do parameter tuning before submitting. (If you noticed but just want to do it the old-fashioned way, that's perfectly fine.) < 1411759065 832867 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1411759136 403048 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1411759138 82236 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you could pick a better program name than lilfuckabish < 1411759142 716876 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1411759166 681492 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1411760065 61167 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1411760202 323896 :Sorella!~queen@191.185.197.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411760251 579855 :Sorella!~queen@191.185.197.120 QUIT :Changing host < 1411760251 803875 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1411760335 156810 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does the leaked NH have that one feature that was known to appear in the next version? < 1411760349 131940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be very surprised if it didn't < 1411760351 125164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want me to check? < 1411760374 793340 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, just because that'd be hilarious < 1411760388 366362 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally we can experience the first nethack feature in 11 years < 1411760409 604059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it does < 1411760419 781850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, at least one of the variants already implemented it before the leak < 1411760424 4908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :purely based on the fact it was known to exist < 1411760433 425402 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does it behave identically?? < 1411760451 830007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows; I'm not going to check that < 1411760460 472640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it'd require actually understanding the code in both ases < 1411760601 401577 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should only have code in one ass at a time. < 1411760624 929082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cases < 1411761058 519301 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat113.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1411761114 432596 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you copy code to multiple asses, do you have a posterior distribution < 1411761132 559777 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lilfuckabish (>)*9([-]>)*3(<--)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].])*-1 < 1411761132 828545 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.lilfuckabish: points 4.05, score 25.47, rank 9/47 (+1) < 1411761135 767217 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lilfuckabish (>)*9([-]>)*3(<--)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*9[-].])*-1 < 1411761136 98365 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.lilfuckabish: points 3.12, score 24.56, rank 9/47 (--) < 1411761140 977476 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lilfuckabish (>)*9([-]>)*3(<--)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].])*-1 < 1411761141 837318 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.lilfuckabish: points 4.05, score 25.47, rank 9/47 (--) < 1411761144 292227 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lilfuckabish (>)*9([-]>)*3(<--)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-]])*-1 < 1411761144 889738 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.lilfuckabish: points 4.02, score 25.40, rank 9/47 (--) < 1411761148 755170 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lilfuckabish (>)*9([-]>)*3(<--)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].])*-1 < 1411761149 115306 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.lilfuckabish: points 4.05, score 25.47, rank 9/47 (--) < 1411761428 662266 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is actually pretty good < 1411761440 264797 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you rush forward and perform a clear of some cells < 1411761445 593637 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :works good on short tapes < 1411761449 648875 :InputUsername!54522415@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.82.36.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411761455 543926 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case the tape is longer you go back into a decoy setup < 1411761464 96922 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :followed by another whole-tape-offset-clear < 1411761578 198187 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is furry_furry_strapon_pegging_girls still alive and kicking years later? < 1411761585 711643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good program < 1411761600 585003 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the longest-living ones on the hill now, surely? < 1411761613 550634 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat113.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION salutes
< 1411761643 428688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: allegro/pendolino have been there for ages < 1411761688 949415 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't wanna know what he encoded in b64 there < 1411761708 949278 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the generator program < 1411761779 125340 :InputUsername!54522415@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.82.36.21 PART :#esoteric < 1411761829 247507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The trains are now gone, actually. < 1411761838 828420 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeatYouMate lost a lot < 1411761843 700420 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was <20 once < 1411761900 236014 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you submit via StackOverflow? < 1411761917 367364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pendolino was displaced by this "lilfuckabish", and allegro by a Lymia.yolo yesterday morning. < 1411761938 84673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well they were there for ages :-) < 1411761959 470289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about leviathan/juggernaught? < 1411761963 436926 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1411761975 810380 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1411761992 16628 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :leviathan is on 22/47 < 1411762003 72911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :dreadnought, leviathan and behemoth are still there. < 1411762010 468630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I haven't remembered to fix their names. < 1411762016 37105 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1411762019 580403 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar < 1411762110 431696 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lilfuckabish <. < 1411762110 664548 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.lilfuckabish: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 (-38) < 1411762169 720769 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([-]>)*3(<--)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].])*-1 < 1411762170 189774 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 4.05, score 25.47, rank 9/47 < 1411762178 860835 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :better name < 1411762342 691732 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1411762427 833034 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1411762432 545486 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the tape at least 10? < 1411762433 241132 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1411762437 738109 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1411762450 951519 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*10([-]>)*3(<--)*3(<-)*10(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].])*-1 < 1411762451 956481 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 2.05, score 23.17, rank 11/47 (-2) < 1411762456 915785 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*10([-]>)*3(<--)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].])*-1 < 1411762457 284154 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 2.02, score 23.15, rank 11/47 (--) < 1411762461 967190 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([-]>)*3(<--)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].])*-1 < 1411762462 322526 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 4.05, score 25.37, rank 9/47 (+2) < 1411762467 904557 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: you start on cell 0, and if the valid tape positions are [0,9) that's 10 cells < 1411762474 792857 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1411762475 851199 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1411762481 99016 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>)*9 increments it by 9, so you end up on cell 9, which is the tenth cell < 1411762485 961615 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([-]>)*3(-<-)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].])*-1 < 1411762486 723956 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 4.60, score 25.91, rank 9/47 (--) < 1411762508 148864 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([-]>)*3(--<)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].])*-1 < 1411762508 867866 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 3.74, score 25.04, rank 9/47 (--) < 1411762519 962579 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([-]>)*3(-<-)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].])*-1 < 1411762520 437840 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 4.60, score 25.91, rank 9/47 (--) < 1411762575 845639 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([-]>)*3(-<-)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411762576 128003 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 7.55, score 29.51, rank 8/47 (+1) < 1411762581 165701 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([-]>)*3(-<-)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*7[+].])*-1 < 1411762581 522673 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 7.26, score 29.11, rank 8/47 (--) < 1411762585 457118 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([-]>)*3(-<-)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*9[+].])*-1 < 1411762585 856696 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 7.33, score 29.23, rank 8/47 (--) < 1411762591 68948 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([-]>)*3(-<-)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411762591 392898 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 7.55, score 29.51, rank 8/47 (--) < 1411762602 620394 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([-]>)*3(-<-)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+]])*-1 < 1411762603 45667 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 7.38, score 29.20, rank 8/47 (--) < 1411762606 129860 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([-]>)*3(-<-)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411762606 489492 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 7.55, score 29.51, rank 8/47 (--) < 1411762617 751738 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1411762702 873158 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm impressed that zemhill can immediately report the results < 1411762749 14868 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :corewars hill aren't that fast < 1411762765 852539 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although part of that might be mail delay < 1411763149 733317 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1411763164 856970 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1411763468 385129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: Well, it only takes to the order of 360 million cycles to run the whole hill, let alone just a single program (which would on average be just 15M cycles, and probably the median is smaller than the mean thanks to ais523.margins and such). < 1411763492 241934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone loves margins :-) < 1411763661 754230 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like margins < 1411763789 10284 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1411763815 560646 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should enter the generator business < 1411763850 478424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use generators for most of my programs < 1411763852 207919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I do for some < 1411763882 715090 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :entering the top 5 is going to be hard < 1411763949 224874 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([-].>)*3(-<-)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411763949 597060 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 6.60, score 28.20, rank 8/47 (--) < 1411763968 513962 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([(+)*9[-]]>)*3(-<-)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411763969 60934 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 9.95, score 32.82, rank 6/47 (+2) < 1411763974 31163 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it < 1411763979 525160 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([(+)*9[-].]>)*3(-<-)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411763979 929679 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 9.71, score 32.49, rank 6/47 (--) < 1411763988 892297 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([(+)*10[-]]>)*3(-<-)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411763989 248555 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 9.76, score 32.54, rank 6/47 (--) < 1411763996 916425 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([(+)*8[-]]>)*3(-<-)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411763997 235421 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 9.95, score 32.77, rank 6/47 (--) < 1411764005 315714 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([(+)*9[-]]>)*3(-<-)*3(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411764005 918838 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 9.95, score 32.82, rank 6/47 (--) < 1411764014 804912 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([(+)*9[-]]>)*4(-<-)*4(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411764015 202060 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 10.26, score 33.01, rank 6/47 (--) < 1411764025 221885 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([(+)*9[-]]>)*5(-<-)*5(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411764025 853532 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 7.31, score 28.99, rank 8/47 (-2) < 1411764034 707214 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411764034 961524 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([(+)*9[-]]>)*4(-<-)*4(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411764035 860143 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 10.26, score 33.01, rank 6/47 (+2) < 1411764038 654721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1411764040 210228 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1411764067 78989 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([(+)*9[-]]>[(-)*9[+]]>)24(-<-)*4(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411764067 362680 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points -44.10, score 0.38, rank 47/47 (-41) < 1411764069 47386 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1411764071 149591 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust loyalty (>)*8[<](>[(-[{[-.]}])%128]>[(+[{[+.]}])%128])*11 < 1411764071 907471 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_.loyalty: points -7.86, score 14.50, rank 44/47 < 1411764077 377508 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([(+)*9[-]]>[(-)*9[+]]>)*4(-<-)*4(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411764077 709010 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 4.17, score 24.67, rank 9/47 < 1411764082 56413 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust loyalty (>)*8[<](>[(-[{[-.]}])%128]])*21 < 1411764082 243666 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: error: parse error: terminating ] without a matching [ < 1411764085 517499 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust loyalty (>)*8[<](>[(-[{[-.]}])%128])*21 < 1411764085 741913 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([(+)*9[-]]>)*4(-<-)*4(<-)*9(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411764085 949038 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_.loyalty: points -13.48, score 11.43, rank 46/47 < 1411764086 878348 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 10.26, score 33.01, rank 6/47 < 1411764090 440977 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be worse < 1411764115 617033 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([(+)*9[-]]>)*4(-<-)*4(<-<+)*4<-(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411764115 936989 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 10.81, score 33.77, rank 6/47 (--) < 1411764123 107603 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([(+)*9[-]]>)*4(-<-)*4(<-<-+)*4<-(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411764123 861611 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 9.57, score 32.00, rank 6/47 (--) < 1411764143 904214 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([(+)*9[-]]>)*4(-<-)*4(<-<--)*4<-(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411764144 90975 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 9.90, score 32.49, rank 6/47 (--) < 1411764166 24890 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([(+)*9[-]]>)*4(-<-)*4(<-<+)*4<-(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411764166 308655 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 10.81, score 33.77, rank 6/47 (--) < 1411764170 737930 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1411764171 228518 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-15.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1411764182 824163 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([(+)*9[-]]>)*4(-<-)*4(<-<+)*4<-(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*9[-].]>[(-)*9[+].])*-1 < 1411764183 11289 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 10.62, score 33.48, rank 6/47 (--) < 1411764194 553653 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([(+)*9[-]]>)*4(-<-)*4(<-<+)*4<-(>(+)*22>(-)*22)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411764194 829459 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 10.55, score 33.52, rank 6/47 (--) < 1411764195 961248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do function declarations (rather than definitions) work in K&R C? < 1411764205 750752 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([(+)*9[-]]>)*4(-<-)*4(<-<+)*4<-(>(+)*15>(-)*15)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411764206 73772 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 9.19, score 31.87, rank 6/47 (--) < 1411764216 325907 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([(+)*9[-]]>)*4(-<-)*4(<-<+)*4<-(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411764216 877081 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 10.81, score 33.77, rank 6/47 (--) < 1411764220 919840 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :comeon < 1411764223 125271 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want rank 5 < 1411764229 704854 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone written a generator for that god-awful never execute a ] style? < 1411764244 184612 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([(+)*9[-]]>)*4(-<-)*4(<-<+)*4<----(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411764244 892933 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 10.69, score 33.66, rank 6/47 (--) < 1411764246 970014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's botspam o'clock again. < 1411764251 407781 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([(+)*9[-]]>)*4(-<-)*4(<-<+)*4<-(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>)*5(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1411764251 804414 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.cupnoodles: points 10.81, score 33.77, rank 6/47 (--) < 1411764256 657263 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna stop now < 1411764260 769410 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :until I have some other idea < 1411764302 854821 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: you mean [>[>[>]]] stuff? < 1411764322 642524 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like mroman_.funky? < 1411764333 142173 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf joust is a lot more on-topic than telling people what haskell mailing lists to use < 1411764360 137046 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or telling people what articles they should correct on wikipedia < 1411764421 318581 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-15.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1411764443 148422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's completely ontopic < 1411764457 561282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say anything about the topic. < 1411764459 509140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the few times the deployment has happened /right here in this channel/, and it inspires discussion, too < 1411764475 875691 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case it's not clear, I'm telling you to shut up about what people use the channel for before I get annoyed enough to kick you. < 1411764498 934467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll probably kick me anyway. < 1411764509 502255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect anything less than nastiness from you at this point. I don't really know what I've done (though I have a couple of guesses) but I don't think paying attention to what you say to me will be useful. < 1411764519 599265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that telling people what to use the channel for isn't great. < 1411764531 961581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also agree that telling people to fix things on Wikipedia, or whatever, isn't great. < 1411764535 264950 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I'm just annoyed at your behaviour in the channel lately. < 1411764567 64517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, my extended absences from the channel are normally caused by offtopic discussion I dislike < 1411764572 409910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the past ~year? < 1411764574 157418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is the most common reason for me to leave /any/ IRC channel) < 1411764589 923432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a reasonable reason to leave. < 1411764592 958785 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1411764650 196767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That wasn't a rhetorical question: I'm asking to confirm the general time interval when the annoyed-by-shachaf bit flipped in your head. Because it was fairly noticeable.) < 1411764769 873742 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1176387069.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1411764779 241626 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I signed up for asking you to stop doing what you're doing, not grill me about your weird personal assumptions, so whatever < 1411764818 970201 :vyv!~vyv@69.158.157.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411764857 705010 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust rabbit ([>[-]]..+)*-1 < 1411764859 173039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, like I said, I don't expect much anyway. < 1411764876 131085 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust rabbit ([>[-]]..+)*-1 < 1411764876 482365 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.rabbit: points -30.95, score 4.50, rank 47/47 (--) < 1411764883 65873 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust rabbit (>)*9([>[-]]..+)*-1 < 1411764883 438186 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.rabbit: points -24.19, score 6.60, rank 47/47 (--) < 1411764886 881605 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust rabbit (>-)*9([>[-]]..+)*-1 < 1411764887 262948 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.rabbit: points -23.88, score 6.69, rank 47/47 (--) < 1411764893 426978 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust rabbit (>->+)*4([>[-]]..+)*-1 < 1411764893 771919 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.rabbit: points -23.45, score 6.82, rank 47/47 (--) < 1411764901 722010 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust rabbit (>(-)*10>(+)*10)*4([>[-]]..+)*-1 < 1411764902 188853 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.rabbit: points -13.90, score 11.15, rank 47/47 (--) < 1411764909 490271 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust rabbit (>(-)*20>(+)*20)*4([>[-]]..+)*-1 < 1411764909 953116 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.rabbit: points -14.48, score 11.43, rank 47/47 (--) < 1411764916 448598 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust rabbit (>(-)*32>(+)*32)*4([>[-]]..+)*-1 < 1411764916 758339 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.rabbit: points -15.00, score 11.03, rank 47/47 (--) < 1411764922 568998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"trying to get a few words in before you're kicked" isn't a great way to formulate cohesive thoughts anyway. < 1411764925 89345 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust rabbit (>(-)*32>(+)*32)*2>>>>([>[-]]..+)*-1 < 1411764925 921833 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.rabbit: points -18.60, score 8.94, rank 47/47 (--) < 1411764932 92367 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust rabbit (>(-)*10>(+)*10)*4([>[-]]..+)*-1 < 1411764932 897793 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1411765021 216957 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, is it not auto-restarting or is it just slow? < 1411765040 853528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't autorestart < 1411765060 914917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: zemhill just crashed again; suspiciously similar circumstances to the matrix segfault we had earlier < 1411765078 328826 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie put an autorestart on it when it was being really crashy, I think? < 1411765149 683055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposed to autorestart. < 1411765161 249136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1411765168 77465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many programs: 48 > 47 (RuntimeError) < 1411765188 409493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There indeed are 48. < 1411765192 494210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now how'd that happen. < 1411765258 324780 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :race condition? < 1411765270 185705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But I put in a mutex!" < 1411765317 57856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume some logic broke and did not 'git rm' a file when it should have. < 1411765364 753276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I don't know where. Latest non-update is 971e3e0 Replacing StackOverflow.Sylwester_TerribleThorV2 by mroman_.rabbit and that properly deletes StackOverflow.Sylwester_TerribleThorV2. < 1411765366 681986 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat113.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1411765452 804431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, yes, I guess it must be a race thing, although I don't know how. < 1411765512 911296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a commit that replaced mroman_.cupnoodles with elliott_.loyalty, and then right after that an edit to mroman_.cupnoodles that just created a new file. < 1411765627 885547 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411765637 711258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1411765639 226502 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1411765703 93169 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how are nested ()%s interpreted again? < 1411765720 806012 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. (a(b{c{d}e}f)%mg)%n < 1411765774 661183 :zemhill_!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1411765791 989018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: outermost % matches innermost {} < 1411765797 243394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"abbbc abbbc abbbc d ..." and so on. Or if you mean the actual implementation, uglily. < 1411765798 530405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I'm not sure all (any?) interps implement taht < 1411765902 924673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Lymia was bugging me about not allowing e.g. (a(b{c(d{e{f}})*%1})%2)%3 so that the very innermost { would bind with the outermost ( because the middle level is "already filled". < 1411765919 790779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, there's another annoying interp bug you have < 1411765925 141480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you treat () with nothing after them as a comment < 1411765936 847507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is annoyingly permissive, because such programs crash /my/ interp < 1411765940 403222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I'm not sure which should change < 1411765949 830677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. (+-+) is equivalent to (+-+)*0) < 1411765961 77032 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat102.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1411765965 686725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know. I think that was intentional, but I don't remember the rationale. < 1411765984 39018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's such a dubious comment in space_elevator < 1411765990 281624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have a local patch to remove the parens < 1411765998 879692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoyingly, the comment in question is "(thanks ais523)" < 1411766010 76221 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :() working as a comment is kind of aesthetically pleasing. < 1411766015 229605 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust rabbit (>)*9([(+)*9[-]]>)*4(-<-)*4(<-<+)*4<-(>(+)*10>(-)*10)*4(>)*5([>[(+)*9[-]]]..+)*-1 < 1411766015 627693 :zemhill_!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.rabbit: points 5.40, score 26.47, rank 10/47 (+37) < 1411766022 146480 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust rabbit <. < 1411766022 520965 :zemhill_!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.rabbit: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 (-37) < 1411766031 273482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how I should poke that thing to make it notice the _ is unnecessary now. < 1411766056 637790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, it'll segfault in the matrix lib sooner or later anyway. < 1411766069 342082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an encouraging method of development :-) < 1411766098 41249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the reason I haven't set up my IRC bot for nethack4 yet is an argument over whether it should run all the time, or only when it has something to say < 1411766102 486509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, I haven't written it yet) < 1411766123 733274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, I'd like the bot to join whenever it has something to say and it isn't already there, and stay the rest of the time < 1411766137 926290 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ([>[(+)*9[-]]]..+)*-1 < 1411766138 113030 :zemhill_!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: "!bfjoust progname code". See http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for documentation. < 1411766142 764790 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust rabbit ([>[(+)*9[-]]]..+)*-1 < 1411766143 187455 :zemhill_!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.rabbit: points -31.55, score 4.29, rank 47/47 (--) < 1411766172 984886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the authors of the library mentioned about possibly helping me to track down that bug. < 1411766174 783989 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust rabbit (>(-)*13>(+)*9)*4([>[(+)*9[-]]]..+)*-1 < 1411766175 870117 :zemhill_!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.rabbit: points -4.52, score 17.03, rank 31/47 (+16) < 1411766216 374463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I just switched that thing to a refactored version where there's an explicit queue of tasks (and a single thread communicating with gearlanced), hopefully that'll eliminate the races. < 1411766223 16953 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust rabbit (>(-)*13>(+)*9)*4([>[(+)*9[-]]].+)*-1 < 1411766223 873427 :zemhill_!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.rabbit: points -3.07, score 18.27, rank 25/47 (+6) < 1411766229 377685 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust rabbit (>(-)*13>(+)*9)*4([>[(+)*9[-]]]+)*-1 < 1411766229 715271 :zemhill_!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.rabbit: points -2.05, score 19.02, rank 23/47 (+2) < 1411766243 753766 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: set -n on the channel and have it /msg without joining < 1411766249 909252 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought ]]] should be enough for wait until opponent dies < 1411766266 169939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: huh, that's not an awful idea < 1411766272 537566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a "-n exemption" mode? < 1411766277 943045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spambots tend to really like non--n channels < 1411766281 515787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, non-+n < 1411766283 609611 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they? < 1411766288 445537 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on other networks, maybe, but freenode? < 1411766348 127579 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust rabbit <. < 1411766348 523155 :zemhill_!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.rabbit: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 (-24) < 1411766354 885248 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to much bots on the hill < 1411766360 628500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would arguably make some amount of sense if +I worked as a "can message freely" exemption, but it doesn't. < 1411766370 371621 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's not fair to have too many bots on the hill < 1411766394 235106 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :ais523 > 1411766394 495803 NAMES :#esoteric < 1411766398 279355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 MODE #esoteric :+C > 1411766398 302458 NAMES :#esoteric < 1411766400 266143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 MODE #esoteric -o :ais523 > 1411766400 289389 NAMES :#esoteric < 1411766415 430703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just realised there's a readymade solution to people running +. by mistake < 1411766428 294522 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I survey #esoteric client usage now? < 1411766438 744146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[.+] < 1411766458 227379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAW >>> :kornbluth.freenode.net 404 fungot #esoteric :Cannot send to channel <<< < 1411766458 859030 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the effect of the monstrous sight was indescribable, for some peculiar atmospheric tensity made me feel that the tomb was very comfortable, and more than this, but i did not like the guidance of one long practised in these explorations, and possessed of a kind of reputation for feats of strength and closed in again. this time the second week charles began to be manifest, and i must cast off these impressions of weaker m < 1411766462 675273 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott_ > 1411766462 698246 NAMES :#esoteric < 1411766464 322839 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric :-n > 1411766464 345273 NAMES :#esoteric < 1411766464 509462 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric :+n > 1411766464 531612 NAMES :#esoteric < 1411766469 769050 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see how much spam it actually causes -- oh come on < 1411766479 900929 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FDB.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1411766483 717238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, there's no such thing as a +n exemption < 1411766488 413068 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott_ > 1411766488 435874 NAMES :#esoteric < 1411766508 822395 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott_ > 1411766508 845818 NAMES :#esoteric < 1411766514 225463 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric :-n > 1411766514 248259 NAMES :#esoteric < 1411766525 577712 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott_ > 1411766525 600887 NAMES :#esoteric < 1411766535 187089 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give it 24 hours (I'm actually curious as to whether spambots even notice) < 1411766539 9549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're -n, -s now < 1411766540 61990 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust skip (+[]+-)*-1 < 1411766540 421347 :zemhill_!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.skip: points -29.19, score 4.34, rank 47/47 < 1411766548 648519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if anyone wanted to spam, we'd be a prime target < 1411766561 31162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if any of the honeypot channels are -n -s < 1411766562 77688 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, I'll set +n again before going to sleep, then < 1411766562 264476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We use -n in #haskell-lens and have never had spam. < 1411766574 20567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is it -s or +s? < 1411766579 337422 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lots of continuous integration/git commit bots rely on -n < 1411766584 150762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-s < 1411766584 781497 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :including I think github's built-in support < 1411766586 127043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-s, it seems < 1411766592 957897 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd be surprised if you actually get spam, especially on a network as boring as freenode < 1411766594 433508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being -n means I can check its /mode remotely :-) < 1411766612 590382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it's the largest network, isn't it? < 1411766621 281791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd make it the best target for spam < 1411766636 170531 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's the network least like efnet < 1411766641 805703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering what +m -n does < 1411766666 69543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it allows external messages even with -n if it's moderated. < 1411766682 808572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you are +V in chanserv? < 1411766693 437518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Almost certainly still not.) < 1411766783 869361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen the $j ban yet in use, but I was wondering if it's going to lead to channels whose only purpose is to serve as a "blacklist" for other channels. < 1411766799 857423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also whether it allows you to go past the ban limit by making supplementary ban channels. < 1411766865 893380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you need a modified $j that bans people who are ops in specific channels, for channels that hate each other < 1411767360 136897 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1411767417 690302 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1411767570 375691 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1411767874 228317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1411767884 36845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411767920 74504 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1411768135 640618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1411768140 782928 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411768148 485614 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1411768317 334654 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1411769040 20596 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat102.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1411769307 703151 :Sorella!~queen@191.185.197.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411769364 973394 :Sorella!~queen@191.185.197.120 QUIT :Changing host < 1411769365 200042 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1411770155 331765 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411770170 822803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1411770448 340940 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fishstacks14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40543&oldid=39829 5* 0367.78.57.11 5* (+8) 10 < 1411771192 389705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1411771255 238152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-foul < 1411771255 561359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 10h 55m 34s ago: That sounds like a HASSLE. (But in theory, sure.) < 1411773416 785046 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1411773549 929751 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1411773582 840690 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1411773651 783951 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1411773674 365504 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar < 1411773677 49693 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1411773743 758930 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1411774225 961617 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1411774878 361355 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :ahk < 1411774882 161249 :ahk!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :ahkscript < 1411774898 963649 :ahkscript!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :smilebasic < 1411774933 559243 :smilebasic!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekTest < 1411774943 639026 :GeekTest!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :smilebasic < 1411774951 393806 :smilebasic!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :SmileBASIC < 1411774957 164265 :SmileBASIC!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeoDude < 1411775113 994107 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1411775196 12898 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1411775208 993202 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1411775212 319319 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar < 1411775359 25350 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1411775429 312160 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411775436 299933 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1411775440 54296 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1411775755 24172 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1411775945 377091 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds