< 1412380850 172413 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gfvuyuvqiahjhmqc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1412381245 37539 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412381298 584534 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :does tokenising gs2 with regexes make nooodl a bad person < 1412381305 264361 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can never remember all these programming rules < 1412381398 515775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's gs2? < 1412381431 667836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I doubt it's "wantonly creates BF derivatives and posts them to the wiki" levels of beign a bad person < 1412381446 671216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :god no < 1412381452 585499 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Gs2 < 1412381536 26232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that tokenising regex is something within the power of regexes, basically because there's no nesting involved < 1412381554 321663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd say it's within the technical realms of what regex can do < 1412381987 494570 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1176386654.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1412382101 74214 :vyv!~vyv@70.51.218.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412383026 186936 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Abuse filter 5* 10blocked [[02User:SilkeEberly10]] with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation disabled): Automatically blocked by abuse filter. Description of matched rule: first edit is to user page and contains spambot-like use of br tag < 1412383092 824310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, it started working < 1412383123 463068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me go and manually confirm what the account was up to, given that it's the first automatic spambot block /ever/ < 1412383168 651236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm Ludie and I live in a seaside city in northern Switzerland, Tossriederen. I'm 27 and I'm will soon finish my study at Religious Studies.

My webpage: [http://example.com http://example.com]" (I changed the URL) < 1412383212 158479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as obviously spam as normal, but it has many indicators (

, and the crazy URL duplication) of being generated by a spambot framework < 1412383217 171055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, and the clickthrough warning < 1412383260 425420 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :brr brr < 1412383271 406410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, also, the same user had tried to make a similar edit yesterday < 1412383276 958065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a different URL < 1412383298 492137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :different name, too < 1412383316 463517 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be human then, certainly no bot would show such flexibility ;-) < 1412383436 520804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my main regret is that I can't tweak it to reduce the block lengths to 24 years < 1412383456 308694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, if a spambot actually gets past the filter and I have to block them manually, 24 years it is < 1412383463 537674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, we can identify fast filter breaches more easily < 1412383508 833247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, actually it's the third such block < 1412383513 803070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Log/Abuse_filter < 1412383599 750496 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, the discrepancy between SilkeEberly and "I'm Ludie" would be enough to convince me. < 1412383772 730439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1412384307 917458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote this code for multiplication in 6502 codes http://sprunge.us/GDBJ How can I fix it please? < 1412384793 746115 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not sure the blocks are actually good. < 1412384796 275060 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they clutter up recent changes < 1412384823 562992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking, let's leave it like this for a while and see if we like it better or worse < 1412384835 363566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're likely to make the abuse filter less spammy, at least < 1412384898 8520 :vyv!~vyv@70.51.218.29 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1412384969 160690 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but only you look at that :) < 1412385044 309214 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1412385068 742734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: more seriously, these blocks are autoblock enabled < 1412385074 626295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they'll also stop the IP doing anything for 24 horus < 1412385076 113585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hours < 1412385080 124601 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1412385082 1505 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be helpful < 1412385089 331417 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1412385110 353824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for another 24 hours if the bot attempts to use the account again < 1412385113 421512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which many of these spambots do < 1412385846 67658 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412385848 689915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1412385851 17660 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nick ais523 < 1412386062 192498 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that your full name? < 1412386275 225466 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1412386286 870738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: context? < 1412386289 768213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1412386291 569154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot the slash < 1412386300 399014 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever you say, nick < 1412386318 310539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to answer "there's actually a middle name between the ais and the 523" < 1412386375 761489 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais callforjudgement 523 < 1412386410 719687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :names are pretty flexible anyway < 1412386429 636037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. see the various oklopol spellings, or omd at Agora < 1412386449 977394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm disappointed that the mandatory signatures rule got repealed, it was hilarious < 1412387729 77780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1412387735 910084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412388086 335673 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1412388104 708655 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1412388595 161715 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@116.37.228.28 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1412388602 451050 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@116.37.228.28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412390053 64659 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mandatory signatures rule? < 1412390596 563661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: a rule that every email to a-b/a-o/backup had to have a signature that identified the person sending it < 1412390867 698867 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1412391283 394119 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1412391409 733723 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sj47d1.atom: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 (-18) < 1412391716 374277 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412391828 470648 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1412391923 376354 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1412391950 392999 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1412391983 857528 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1412392032 871671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the definition of pi (or tau) having to do with circles < 1412392094 795073 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what definition would you prefer? < 1412392133 282118 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't < 1412392138 64014 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer tau is the smallest positive solution of x for e^ix=0 which I think is the case < 1412392152 588080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1412392165 490039 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought e^i*tau = 1? < 1412392168 892325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412392170 74971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is it? I think it is a mistake...) < 1412392178 258742 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, 1 is it should be; thank you < 1412392185 137318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a mistake which I realized right away < 1412392229 315359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought e^itau = e^0i = 1 < 1412392258 537637 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you are correct < 1412392277 21978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a mistake which I had realized right away after sending the line < 1412392313 482883 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I think your definition and the circle definition are equivalent < 1412392335 52193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complex exponentiation seems more complicated than circles. But circles might be misleadingly complicated. < 1412392343 821429 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: they are < 1412392351 369711 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: but one is more rigorous and beautiful < 1412392377 8572 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, I wanted to use numerical solutions rather than geometrical < 1412392384 558174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "equivalent" do you mean anything more than "they're both equal to pi"? < 1412392416 578862 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you take exponentiation to be defined by circles or vice versa < 1412392447 711926 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1412392449 696044 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real numbers are so complicated anyway. < 1412392543 47644 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, Taylor series suggest e^ix = cos x + i sin x < 1412392551 368846 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1412392554 691494 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't need your spooky maths up in this < 1412392556 832849 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And cos and sin are generally defined in terms of geometry? < 1412392560 722379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you have e^x you can have the infinite series to work it < 1412392580 201631 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :cos and sin are generally defined by their power series < 1412392591 112814 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you from < 1412392621 115553 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the very least, they can be defined in terms of geometry < 1412392624 38028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Yes and if you use complex number it is even like e^x series too < 1412392668 341984 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think of cos as the triangle thing, or if i'm feeling more """advanced""", the gizmo that shows up in the inner product < 1412392732 6853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, triangles are one of their uses (and is the reason it is called "trigonometry"), but there can be other things too < 1412392783 57190 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think of complexes in polar coordinates, because i like spinning and it makes branch cuts seem sensible < 1412392842 601332 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the e^itau=1 definition for tau though, do you prefer this one rather than ones involving geometry? < 1412392854 478206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever your definition of pi is it should work constructively < 1412392876 707185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, you want a constructive definition. < 1412392894 731782 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously define it as the ideal of the something something something < 1412392908 448902 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think of exp(i*tau) as geometric so it's fine w/me either way i guess < 1412392930 916836 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1412392948 48399 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The positive real number whose digits are given by pi_10 < 1412392960 857261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not use e^itau = 1 as a definition of /e/? < 1412392975 974450 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not both < 1412392978 16966 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all three! < 1412392983 572250 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all four, define tau, e, i, and 1 < 1412393024 57340 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I define them all equal to 1 < 1412393028 935720 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sure, some haters might say that also works for e = 2, i = 7, tau = -39, and 1 = 1/15177100720513508366558296147058741458143803430094840009779784451085189728165691392, but we don't need that negativity in our lives < 1412393078 42747 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That interpretation of your definition was obviously wrong < 1412393111 957518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm more amused you had a bignum calculator to hand to calculate that definition of 1 < 1412393117 500116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think so; you can better e define as the series, I think (just put 1 in place of x for the series of e^x) < 1412393123 472995 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm being a mathematician, i can only say something is "obvious" if it's a special case of stokes's theorem. defining 1, now that's hard < 1412393138 459593 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i have a lisp repl open usually < 1412393141 147069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot is on everyone's hand < 1412393145 919899 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you can see, it's incredibly practical < 1412393160 257557 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah but lol like i have the attention span to remember haskell's exponentiation operators < 1412393168 80298 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 ** (7 * -39) < 1412393169 513298 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Precedence parsing error < 1412393169 705463 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : cannot mix ‘GHC.Num.*’ [infixl 7] and prefix `-' [infixl 6] in the same ... < 1412393170 193110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry it has three < 1412393173 405120 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nailed it < 1412393180 933952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^(7*39) < 1412393182 379652 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1517710072051350836655829614705874145814380343009484000977978445108518972816... < 1412393195 78504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it truncates the answer when you're not using /msg < 1412393197 11415 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 ** (0 - 7*39) < 1412393197 629411 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, lambdabot is not without her issues < 1412393198 748914 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6.588873714519077e-83 < 1412393200 76962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably a good thing < 1412393202 104127 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect < 1412393222 652891 :AndoDaan!bcbc4a01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.188.74.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412393228 952008 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even remember what the other one is < 1412393231 287796 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp 7 < 1412393232 657098 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1096.6331584284585 < 1412393243 936555 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^^) < 1412393244 825297 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Integral b, Fractional a) => a -> b -> a < 1412393247 64609 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp (0 - 7 * 39 * log 2) < 1412393247 798094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh are you a stokes' theorem expert < 1412393248 371752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6.588873714519095e-83 < 1412393256 978202 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let e = exp (-1); τ = 8*atan 1; i = 0 :+ 1 in e**(i*τ) < 1412393258 675827 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0000000000000009 :+ 2.4492935982947084e-16 < 1412393262 948041 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i've been reading differential geometry on and off < 1412393264 964060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: now you're reminding me of Chebyshev's sum inequality < 1412393269 43395 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let e = exp (-1); τ = 8*atan 1; i = 0 :+ 1 in (1/e)**(i*τ) < 1412393270 641480 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.9999999999999991 :+ (-2.4492935982947044e-16) < 1412393277 391238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i was doing that recently < 1412393279 666016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not being able to memorize it is one of the reasons I wasn't really all that good at the high-level maths competitions < 1412393281 648934 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a lot of it wasn't making sense < 1412393281 949332 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty hard < 1412393283 128465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i read < 1412393291 439584 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you been reading spivak < 1412393295 732204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1412393297 293662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no < 1412393300 194485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Calculus on Manifolds_? < 1412393302 140221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one's the special case I could remember < 1412393302 793954 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well that's the usual one, calculus on manifolds < 1412393305 717324 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's notoriously hard though < 1412393310 386866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember the one I couldn't remember < 1412393312 744638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly unsurprisingly < 1412393314 738033 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other one i like is um, lemme find it again < 1412393325 45152 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What am I doing awake < 1412393333 170189 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :listening to me talk about 3-forms < 1412393351 567038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are n-forms anyway < 1412393352 115092 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, Applied Differential Geometry by Burke < 1412393356 240468 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might hate it though < 1412393358 694652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book i was reading was p. handwavy about it < 1412393368 948069 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're like... repeated wedge products of something < 1412393373 132298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it gets less handwavy later < 1412393446 860965 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i said the stokes theorem thing because early on in spivak he says "anyway, green's theorem and the cauchy riemann equations and gauss's theorem are boring trivial consequences of stokes's theorem, but you need to read a hundred pages of this book to know what the hell that means" < 1412393451 870152 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in total seriousness < 1412393461 617333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1412393477 760931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's a sort of adjunction < 1412393486 323281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and adjunctions are the best?? < 1412393505 924935 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just made the mistake of asking my physics prof how magnetism would work in four dimensions < 1412393508 173588 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I was thinking about the Black-Scholes equation < 1412393509 297117 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involves signed areas < 1412393513 473030 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is completely different < 1412393516 116333 :AndoDaan!bcbc4a01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.188.74.1 QUIT :Client Quit < 1412393542 526006 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess they're similar in that I don't understand either < 1412393550 13570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh i was reading http://www.math.boun.edu.tr/instructors/ozturk/eskiders/fall04math488/bachman.pdf and it was a little less handwavy < 1412393552 653803 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 60% of basic electrodynamics is basically stokes's theorem, which is kind of hilarious < 1412393557 613443 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat.atom: points -3.00, score 17.69, rank 31/47 < 1412393566 351473 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, electrostatics i guess < 1412393582 2915 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1412393599 653614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i wanted to know was what "dy" actually means :'( < 1412393602 815530 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: applied differential forms is nice enough that i think i have a pretty good handle on what a tensor is < 1412393607 628792 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tensor products etc < 1412393622 148521 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of assumed you knew this stuff though < 1412393626 199079 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't "pullbacks" a cat theory thing < 1412393639 647578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know anything about analysis hth < 1412393641 757568 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all bla bla fiber bundles bla bla < 1412393653 600445 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullback_%28category_theory%29 < 1412393669 134740 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't read any of this shit < 1412393670 27365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and someone in another channel tried to explain to me how the differential geometry pullbacks were a special case of the category pullbacks < 1412393680 51125 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This term I have an "Introduction to Group Theory" module. < 1412393684 216439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was 05:00 and i didn't understand anything < 1412393691 694130 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is suffering < 1412393692 131476 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been introduced to group theory at least twice before < 1412393696 604097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is it a Z-module? < 1412393698 576231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[heh heh heh] < 1412393705 738448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that would be abelian group theory < 1412393730 891452 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i should take a class in this sometime, the last math class i took was vector calculus, which i've forgotten everything of which is why i grabbed spivak < 1412393746 679018 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"de Rham cohomology" sounds like something i can shout if i'm on a spaceship that's going to sink and i need to fix it < 1412393757 188764 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We need to reroute the cohomological dampeners!" or something < 1412393783 42937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've p. much never taken a math class :'( < 1412393789 787530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why you assume i know any of these things < 1412393790 769189 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they suck < 1412393826 396660 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://31.media.tumblr.com/00dc7596f0c1d1936d02fc1407a91214/tumblr_ncbvooAB7C1r7tprao1_1280.png behold < 1412393849 499794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway is the conclusion that i should read spivak < 1412393868 102796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa is that your thing < 1412393873 541424 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think spivak is the canonical text on it, that's all i'm sayin < 1412393892 614804 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been using burke more, but he was a physicist and says things like "this works for normal functions, look at something else if you want proofs" < 1412393896 30915 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A category with more than one object has more monads than how many final objects it has. Is it correct? How do you call such a thing? < 1412393906 19892 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the module, which is called "Introduction to Group Theory", assumes knowledge of group theory < 1412393914 682701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why? < 1412393936 210938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why of what? < 1412393942 715477 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: maybe they just want you to be familiar with the basic "it's a thing where you can do multiplication" and the class is more like ok here's the residue of seven mod a billion < 1412393945 219448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing you said. < 1412393968 778106 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe they'll teach you about monstrous moonshine < 1412393969 195985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't understand your question < 1412393970 100655 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo get hype < 1412393970 955300 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, looking at the syllabus it seems a lot more detailed < 1412393978 646663 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that what I have done previously) < 1412393998 395029 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't sound sufficiently hype < 1412394013 441259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why is the thing you said true? < 1412394025 914601 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it's 4:40 am, cut me some slack < 1412394032 119406 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok sorry < 1412394042 121868 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you can get ye hype at a later time < 1412394048 42259 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you awake at five am reading syllabuses < 1412394055 117756 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1412394061 44140 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1412394070 868282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: whoa, sounds like the perfect time to ask why pullbacks are called that < 1412394080 831619 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I woke up accidentally an hour and a half ago I thik < 1412394097 199318 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so you've gotten some sleep < 1412394100 140321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: also why do category people call them pushouts and other people call them pushforwards?? < 1412394120 944332 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I never figured out an intuition for pullbacks < 1412394132 924582 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there's some amazingly stupid reason borne of history < 1412394137 529583 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :geographic pullbacks seem reasonably easy < 1412394147 264978 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about compositions between maps or whatever < 1412394148 794569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: O, now I understand you. Because there has to be a identity monad, and a final object also causes a monad (the functor maps everything to the final object) < 1412394177 427602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What about the category with one arrow? That one has one monad and one terminal object. < 1412394215 776319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also those monads are isomorphic "do they even count" < 1412394219 740277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes but it has only one object, not two. < 1412394225 247669 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what if there are two final objects and nothing else? < 1412394232 853124 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, nevermind < 1412394258 528621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you said "with more than one object". < 1412394293 217171 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/kHf69Dg.png blammo, pullbacks < 1412394308 104361 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, if this is a longbow or something... < 1412394318 850642 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's a pullback < 1412394320 859890 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, I did say that. < 1412394321 792137 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with bonus pushforward < 1412394337 135534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you call this theorem? Is there a better one? < 1412394382 954841 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i literally did not understand what a dual was before this book, i'm a fucking moron & also great < 1412394390 22657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Black's Theorem < 1412394394 974352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, you're stuck with it < 1412394404 478354 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what about a category with no final objects? < 1412394411 246910 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrix more like (1 1) tensor < 1412394413 59062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It still has the identity monad. < 1412394418 475751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wait, what's a dual < 1412394422 245629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Then it still has identity monad. < 1412394426 215784 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, the theorem was > < 1412394454 646694 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it must have more monads by the theorem? < 1412394463 555472 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dual of a linear space L is the linear space you get from fucking with "linear functionals" which are linear functions L -> R in the obvious ways < 1412394464 167358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 > 0 hth < 1412394466 893499 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so easy" < 1412394480 340483 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then also some other stuff. < 1412394489 567171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that kind of dual < 1412394492 122755 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I misread it < 1412394498 398621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just reading about cotangent spaces today < 1412394513 381682 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's in burke too < 1412394516 527109 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :got about a 40% handle on them < 1412394524 912225 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaah what's a complete set of residues < 1412394558 644448 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's where you walk into a chemistry lab and mix everything up and scrape some samples off the wall after you get the fuck out of there < 1412394586 743147 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, last time that happened here, we're not allowed to touch the lake any more < 1412394600 903054 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should hope not, do you know what they keep in those places < 1412394629 583195 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here let me just reduce YOUR EYES < 1412394640 923826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think even an empty category has an identity monad (the definition of such a monad is also empty though; it doesn't have to be defined as an identity monad, as long as it is empty) < 1412394644 622088 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they probably don't keep, like, dimethylmercury. < 1412394666 908325 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is proooooobably the deadliest nonbiological chemical i can think of, not sure < 1412394694 454782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you represent a vector space as a chu space < 1412394697 566686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the dual the dual < 1412394719 946024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think empty categories have a nonempty anything? < 1412394720 331661 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have enough trouble with the nine layers of topological spaces without generalizing them < 1412394747 696099 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh this is a perfect closed uncompleted degloved Hausdorff space < 1412394760 619147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, it doesn't have a nonempty. < 1412394809 146920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was always scared of even the relatively benign chemicals in school < 1412394812 100628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as distilled water < 1412394822 993882 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, really? < 1412394823 492968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I spilled distilled water on my hands, and immediately went to wash it off < 1412394828 802520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which probably technically made my hands dirtier < 1412394831 260912 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you can do a lot of damage with distilled water < 1412394843 86464 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deionized must've made you really frightened. < 1412394849 256385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the time I thought it was irrational; in retrospect, not sure how well humans cope with osmotic potentials /that/ out of range < 1412394859 865396 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta admit "deionized" sounds pretty nasty < 1412394862 949963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably quite well because it's not very out of range, and becomes less so upon contact with a human) < 1412394865 539554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :esp. deionized #esoteric < 1412394872 921175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think it was technically deionized rather than distilled < 1412394879 402013 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, if you injected water into your bloodstream you would die, but that goes for other materials, such as undeionized water, or air < 1412394890 42911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there much chemical difference? or is it just to do with manufacturing methods? < 1412394911 175679 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: IIRC drinking distilled water isn't really dangerous or anything < 1412394922 913756 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in small quantities, I mean < 1412394923 108832 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, drinking it is fine. < 1412394927 464301 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, he's still here, we're safe < 1412394941 210443 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if you know this, but your stomach already has a pH difference of like, four, some fucking water ain't gonna do shit < 1412394941 508254 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the fearmongering about it is basically "you don't get the minerals that you get in less pure water"? < 1412394947 505774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: yes; technically it could be dangerous because human cell membranes can't cope with that sort of osmotic potential < 1412394960 220365 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the topic of drinking water, I'm thirsty < 1412394961 771073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not going to rupture many cells before it becomes normal water due to being inside a human < 1412394967 387574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is full of soluble chemicals < 1412394967 569895 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DI water is a different manufacturing process, but for purposes of chemistry basically the same. < 1412394968 203249 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the water here is harder than I'm used to :( < 1412394971 85511 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to get a filter < 1412394987 378530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is water hardness tasteable? < 1412394992 429729 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1412394992 816627 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... < 1412394997 933361 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very much so < 1412395000 924285 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna get this across man, if regular cells were exposed to /regular/ water they would also explode, why do you think medfucks use saline < 1412395006 885598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've noticed a difference in taste between different water suppliers, but thought it was due to other factors < 1412395011 415419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yep, indeed < 1412395015 427774 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :between hard water suppliers? < 1412395023 180693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I assume things like the inside of the mouth have protection against that < 1412395031 143204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: not sure < 1412395043 113770 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, your outsides are already dead, as per usual < 1412395071 793816 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should really be doing homework but i enjoy saying stupid bullshit much more < 1412395073 567581 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems the main health issues of distilled water is that you're likely to need somewhat more minerals in your diet. < 1412395097 670362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it makes a huge amount of sense to make as many of the outside-world-facing parts of the body out of dead cells as possible < 1412395098 894956 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is otherwise utterly mundane, as you'd expect. < 1412395104 310131 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does < 1412395112 776770 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that vanadium has a biological role < 1412395117 571480 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know what vanadium is, do you? < 1412395118 251530 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of want to try drinking distilled water just to see what it tastes like < 1412395121 737034 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it's an element < 1412395123 47093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're in plentiful supply, can be designed to cope with the expected stresses, and you don't have to keep them in working order much beyond physical integrity < 1412395128 938439 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it tastes like nothing < 1412395136 120923 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah, but so does normal water < 1412395139 888038 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to imagine an even more boring taste < 1412395142 561020 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some labs also have "industrial water" though, and you shouldn't drink that, even if it's on a bet < 1412395154 660348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :normal water has all sorts of taste < 1412395155 513391 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that heavy water? < 1412395165 719822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was told that the way the "distilled"/deionized water at school was purified made it unsafe to drink < 1412395171 904645 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is "Mathematical Universe Hypothesis" called that? I don't think it is a hypothesis (or a theory or anything), just a kind of philosophical idea I suppose < 1412395172 977809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if that was actually true, or just to prevent students drinking it < 1412395175 241857 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heavy water isn't very dangerous either, iirc < 1412395181 741942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: there's some debate AFAIK < 1412395185 852134 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Might hypothetically be true of deionized? < 1412395189 260808 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah industrial water is just nonpotable runoff that's still useful for a few things < 1412395191 998282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic issue is that D has a larger mass than H < 1412395192 579595 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deionized is somewhat less pure apparently. < 1412395197 353777 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like... you know... yellowish < 1412395202 126313 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chemical processes are used to remove salts. < 1412395203 599964 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, "Because it would take a very large amount of heavy water to replace 25% to 50% of a human being's body water (water being in turn 50% - 75% of body weight[31]) with heavy water, accidental or intentional poisoning with heavy water is unlikely to the point of practical disregard." < 1412395209 503266 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But distilled water? Eh. < 1412395211 244646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes reactions run at a different speed to normal < 1412395218 375631 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, more generally, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_water#Effect_on_biological_systems < 1412395228 475001 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna feed some tunicates heavy ocean now < 1412395233 493162 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch em suck out the vanadium < 1412395236 392656 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, but the effect of drinking a small quantity of heavy water probably is nil. < 1412395238 559916 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :chromagen that shit < 1412395240 915823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: yes, what I'd heard is that there are known mechanism via which it could be a problem, but nobody was entirely sure if the dose you'd need was massively large < 1412395241 271612 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it tastes identical to water though < 1412395245 341166 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that some of the water you drink is heavy *anyways*. < 1412395247 494389 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's probably not worth it except to be able to say you've done it < 1412395260 402847 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: They've done experiments with rats. < 1412395261 476303 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be cool if heavy water tasted different, i mean think of what that implies < 1412395263 427642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is there a good irc channel to ask about some of these things in? ##math didn't work, surprisingly enough < 1412395269 342655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the answer is no < 1412395275 212695 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rats die at about 50%. < 1412395277 6865 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i don't know. i just have a physics buddy who's happy to throw thousands of books at m < 1412395280 35700 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1412395282 878614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: this reminds me of when some people were trying to convince me aluminium was dangerous, and Wikipedia makes the point that it's one of the most abundant elements in the crust and you have a tendency to inhale largish quantities of it over your lifetime < 1412395286 666570 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you find one that sounds good though < 1412395287 892343 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham had 27 mg/l, York has 93.5 mg/l ish < 1412395288 904429 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's like how heavy metal tastes different to normal metals < 1412395292 202695 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I incidentally was talking with my girlfriend about this like a couple hours ago. < 1412395296 736067 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Calcium in the water) < 1412395298 752485 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and grindcore is just a different experience altogether < 1412395304 627859 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't need this < 1412395336 712358 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S THREE TIMES AS HARD < 1412395342 899280 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it probably doesn't work like that) < 1412395362 747299 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :taste (well, smell more like) is basically a chemical classification, being able to taste heavy water would mean either you have some mechanism for distinguishing isotopes, which would be insane, or that even small amounts of the stuff react noticeably differently in a way we can pick up on < 1412395362 951102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering if water hardness is defined wrt calcium specifically or if other ions also count < 1412395374 242158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need calcium (+ carbonate) to make limescale, so perhaps it is calcium specifically < 1412395386 238293 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grindcore is actually lighter than regular metal since it's all ground up so there's more air < 1412395395 421984 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence the name < 1412395400 869832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: is this protest surrealism again? < 1412395401 328681 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1412395408 304015 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, just the regular kind < 1412395409 322897 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's metal surrealism < 1412395410 261497 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Northumbria Water is measuring it in mg Ca/l < 1412395458 775046 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But York water is defining it as Calcium + Magnesium < 1412395474 715635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I wonder if magnesium carbonate is a problem < 1412395485 204897 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the unit mg Ca/l, so maybe I'm misunderstanding Northumbria Water's) < 1412395540 83966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mg as in magnesium or milligrams? < 1412395547 431554 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Milligrams < 1412395548 901673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like a possible typo/misunderstanding < 1412395572 11803 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Magnesium-only measurement is mg Mg/l < 1412395598 607118 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gonna suck when that turns out to mean megagrams per lux < 1412395610 164914 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lux is lx, oops < 1412395651 427620 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right gauss is also a unit, so you've got milligrams (mg), megagrams (Mg), milligauss (mG), megagauss (MG) < 1412395664 320836 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, wait gauss is cgs, nevermind, crisis averted < 1412395667 641966 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's megagauss per lumens. < 1412395670 399720 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also have omg, milligrams of oxygen < 1412395673 103378 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaw. < 1412395676 654567 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it should be OMG < 1412395680 837907 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :megagausses of oxygen < 1412395683 769616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of the interpretation of "MB" as "megabel", which is the technically correct interpretation < 1412395712 723217 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't imagine ever writing the substance name before the unit < 1412395717 877416 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of wish it did work like that now, tho < 1412395726 156628 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MGO isn't much interesting < 1412395732 916014 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know :( < 1412395736 522798 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic the Gathering Online? < 1412395742 544138 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it would be O2MG unless you're dealing with free radicals i guess < 1412395747 441436 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412395748 965776 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is that a bitcoin < 1412395752 106884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a unit so large that possibly even Randall Munroe could fail to visualise quite how big it is < 1412395754 953399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1412395758 104151 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: No, but it may be a buttcoin. < 1412395763 442039 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1412395763 797704 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :megabel is? < 1412395766 164796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that's stupid < 1412395768 286404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got disconnected < 1412395768 723144 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be, uh... < 1412395770 225035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reconnected < 1412395772 619503 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ten million dB, huh? < 1412395778 876475 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glorious. < 1412395784 409705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and saw /myself/ say " this is a unit so large that possibly even Randall Munroe could fail to visualise quite how big it is" and then quit < 1412395788 602155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: and dB are a log scale < 1412395801 373485 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh does that mean ten million orders of magnitude < 1412395804 608300 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm no good with those units :( < 1412395806 305743 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, maybe we should email him and ask how much damage it'd do < 1412395810 276304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one million orders of magnitude < 1412395814 590243 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok uh < 1412395819 627349 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i can't imagine that coming up outside of maths < 1412395840 448122 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: if it was dB SPL, i.e. the usual "sound" interpretation of dB, that would probably be near planck pressure < 1412395847 221163 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :U2 on the other hand is a radiation hazard, they're just that bad. okay these jokes are just, fucking terrible < 1412395855 429697 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Well, a nuclear bomb is about 210 dB. < 1412395859 557161 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see it's uranium but < 1412395868 463340 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use dB for things other than sound < 1412395875 287833 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't think of any physical application at all... < 1412395877 118847 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe mols? < 1412395901 192039 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Signal to noise ratio on a radio signal. < 1412395918 669019 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's gotta be far below measurable, hasn't it < 1412395940 760777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :235 dB is approximately the ratio between 12g of carbon and a single atom of carbon < 1412395954 834281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or a gram of hydrogen and a single atom of hydrogen) < 1412395958 192672 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, so now try a galaxy or something. i guess. < 1412395968 513394 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exponents are nuts. < 1412395970 127071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem is, you're just adding, not multiplying < 1412395983 379472 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... < 1412396023 795164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Sun has a mass of about 2e30 kilograms, or 2e33 grams < 1412396031 908609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 333 dB away from one gram < 1412396033 747540 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Wolfram Alpha, Milky Way is 6*10^42 kg < 1412396045 867793 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :6e45 grams? < 1412396052 367367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's a ratio of about 570 fB between the sun and a single atom < 1412396061 150243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6e45 would be 455 dB away from a gram < 1412396069 939831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 690 dB from an atom < 1412396075 602708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're still so far away from a million < 1412396105 343332 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat.pheonix: points 7.12, score 27.61, rank 9/47 < 1412396116 30623 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observable universe, 3.4e57 grams < 1412396118 104970 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, anyway 1 MB SPL would be uh, somewhere around 10^9999993 pascals or something < 1412396123 863975 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so actually rather larger than the planck pressure < 1412396129 444595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I'm confused < 1412396136 53638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 isn't 5db, it's more than that < 1412396155 743400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like 8dB < 1412396158 338756 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 10 6 * 10 < 1412396160 447635 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7.781512503836435 < 1412396170 261170 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03DeidreNBSbpdvb 5* 10New user account < 1412396176 550885 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, wikipedia's largest example of pressure magnitude is still seventy orders of magnitude less than the planck pressure < 1412396176 995399 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Abuse filter 5* 10blocked [[02User:DeidreNBSbpdvb10]] with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation disabled): Automatically blocked by abuse filter. Description of matched rule: first edit is to user page and contains spambot-like use of br tag < 1412396179 564623 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :NATURAL UNITS < 1412396186 854144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what is that example? < 1412396192 415081 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :inside of a neutron star < 1412396209 26867 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :next most is twenty less, inside of uranium < 1412396228 845910 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like stars, they make physical units seem so meaningless < 1412396237 996322 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh, I know. The MB applies to numbers used in proofs. < 1412396241 538585 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know there are possibly stars with strong enough magnetic fields to turn your atoms to spindles from Au away < 1412396244 380978 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :AU* < 1412396253 3662 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah that's why i said "physical", it works with graham or some shit i imagine < 1412396255 514473 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's make it easy, and go with positive integers used in proofs. < 1412396258 562502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, this latest spew of spambots are all advertising sites with URLs that are different but similar (they all follow the same pattern), and that I don't remember seeing before < 1412396271 906433 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ratio of 1 and graham's number in dB is probably absurd. < 1412396281 756889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: now we face the issue that it's much /smaller/ than Graham's number, yes < 1412396283 388904 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out to be exactly ten million < 1412396286 515528 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :v convenient < 1412396295 82681 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :D < 1412396354 819665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the way to visualise Graham's number is, any method of describing it that doesn't first involve inventing a notation specifically for the purpose of describing it is going to fall far short < 1412396371 905069 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that as "inventing a nation" < 1412396378 555668 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i think i've seen numbers like 10^10^100 a time or two in maths, i'm sure there's something < 1412396386 243434 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if we give it about the population of china, and the inflation of zimbabwe..." < 1412396397 26960 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lowest prime number to something something < 1412396400 356477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: doesn't B Nomic technically own a small raft on a lake somewhere? < 1412396406 70644 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope so < 1412396417 461151 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be that one lake in europe with no borders < 1412396439 39402 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lake constance apparently < 1412396439 249645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "lake with no borders" mean? < 1412396459 531359 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it covers the entire globe < 1412396460 251931 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's between switzerland, germany, and austria, but they don't have any agreement about where the borders are < 1412396478 413102 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Switzerland holds the view that the border runs through the middle of the lake, Austria is of the opinion that the contentious area belongs to all the states on its banks, and Germany holds an ambiguous opinion. Legal questions pertaining to ship transport and fishing are regulated in separate treaties." < 1412396490 60811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1412396507 228197 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Aware, and pleased, that graham's number is that absurd. < 1412396528 548115 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are the bounds on that problem doing, btw < 1412396560 971239 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they got it down to 2 ^^ 2 ^^ 2 ^^ 9 apparently < 1412396564 565786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The last ten digits of Graham's number are ...2464195387" < 1412396564 989335 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiny. < 1412396571 335362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that someone has calculated them < 1412396580 909104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably using modular arithmetic optimizations < 1412396598 588583 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the final digits of anything under repeated exponentiation become constant after a while. < 1412396623 222734 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually wikipedia explains it. i mentioned this somewhere a few days back... < 1412396646 716395 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway so the bounds are 13 <= answer <= 2 ^^ 2 ^^ 2 ^^ 9. < 1412396653 837911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, huh; I remember the book that introduced me to Graham's Number conjectured that the actual answer was 6, but that's apparently been disproved < 1412396665 596772 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 2003 < 1412396685 749077 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 13 bound is on arxiv if you want to "check that shit out" http://arxiv.org/abs/0811.1055 < 1412396714 780611 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea why they mention graham's number though, since it was the known bound for like two seconds < 1412396729 602095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, of course, the harder problem is knowing the first few digits of Graham's number < 1412396740 26013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I conjecture that the very first digit is a 1 < 1412396752 920875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(statistically, this should have around a 40% chance of being correct) < 1412396754 11654 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I reckon it's 7 < 1412396769 823093 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget, don't you need some assumptions for benford's law < 1412396789 503265 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that statistic terrifies me < 1412396803 156307 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :benford's law is pretty weird yeah. < 1412396812 554556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well think about it this way, in binary, all numbers start with 1, except for 0 < 1412396833 572885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I wonder what the proportion of numbers that start with 1 in ternary is < 1412396842 175675 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Log of the numbers must be uniformly and randomly distributed, basically. < 1412396856 593761 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how you'd pick a distribution... < 1412396863 110884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what it is in base infinity, the limit (wouldn't surprise me if it were 1/e or something like that) < 1412396867 733999 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, naively, 1/2 < 1412396880 958387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's way higher than 1/2 < 1412396882 602715 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone write some incomprehensible haskell fragment to get the first digits of repeated exponentiations < 1412396885 46482 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in base infinity, 0? < 1412396899 391976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 30.1%, I think < 1412396920 699391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well base infinity doesn't actually exist in most concepts of infinities < 1412396931 959834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but presumably the limit of benford's law does < 1412396966 121968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The discovery of Benford's Law goes back to 1881, when the American astronomer Simon Newcomb noticed that in logarithm tables (used at that time to perform calculations) the earlier pages (which contained numbers that started with 1) were much more worn than the other pages." < 1412396971 22263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity you can't do proofs like that < 1412397034 690917 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if that works with other tables < 1412397047 24796 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what little i know of ship navigation i dunno if that would happen with trig tables < 1412397158 365471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The 1974 Vancouver, Canada telephone book violates Benford's law because regulations require that telephone numbers have a fixed number of digits and do not begin with 1." < 1412397162 821736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is an oddly specific example < 1412397180 499594 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to find if you're looking for benford counterexamples, though < 1412397194 857194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK, it's hard to say what telephone numbers start with < 1412397201 705908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it +44, 0, or "any digit except 0"? < 1412397202 198738 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1412397203 687739 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, 0 or +44 < 1412397220 110799 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah in the US i'm never sure whether to dial 1 or what < 1412397256 461329 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :figuring out how to dial externally on hotel phones is "fun" < 1412397260 805032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: in the UK, if you know the number of the phone you're calling from, it's easy to know how many digits of the target phone number to use < 1412397270 614239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: huh, "leading 9" isn't standard? < 1412397283 236662 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's standard enough to be in the US, and yet, still confusing < 1412397286 617016 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe in the UK < 1412397290 879585 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everywhere < 1412397340 572489 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were in europe you should have visited my hot pad in liechtenstein < 1412397351 866991 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were in antarctica, you should have caught a penguin < 1412397355 909777 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maaan, problems that I'm not used to. < 1412397379 285840 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just put in the full number in my cell phone. < 1412397384 792015 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the uk is in europe right < 1412397393 36519 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean like < 1412397396 929154 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "continent" < 1412397398 450311 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1412397412 358219 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1 533 555 2133 TADA dialing happens < 1412397422 753148 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were in africa you should have gotten a weltwischia and given it to me < 1412397432 450758 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how have phone numbers survived into 2014? < 1412397453 517802 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because telephony is the weird infrastructural basis of all the stuff we actually use < 1412397471 244030 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same way Ireland's managed to somehow survive with ambiguous mailing addresses. < 1412397485 470905 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet if i looked it up calling you would involve a protocol invented by shannon in 1833 < 1412397545 306424 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, the address scheme is "Name, Townland, Town, County". < 1412397558 942272 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also phone people probably get mocked by internet people, and then they reply by asking them how ipv6 is going < 1412397595 524298 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Townland? < 1412397613 625178 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Weird geographical subdivision. < 1412397618 693241 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: at least we don't use IPs as UI, much < 1412397634 729091 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, if two guys with the same name are neighbors Irish mail breaks. < 1412397635 679988 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well nowadays we don'ot do that with phones much either, as pikhq said < 1412397636 648405 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're in a hotel in an emergency, is it 9911 or 911? < 1412397649 418140 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's 911. < 1412397661 519190 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it's not in the US? < 1412397662 149148 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, but what if you're in algeria < 1412397682 463041 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's +1911 < 1412397682 640702 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're on a crashing plane with hitler and leopold ii, and you have only a single bullet? < 1412397684 48326 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The North American dialing plan is actually rigged so that "dial 9 for an outside line" can special case 911. < 1412397699 138826 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I'd shoot myself. < 1412397704 54493 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rememeber to tell them you're in algeria so they can dispatch cops quickly < 1412397707 904395 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what happens if someone doesn't realize that and attempts 9911? < 1412397708 227938 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I was in such a bad riddle, there's no point living < 1412397713 64944 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how that accomplishes dialing the phone < 1412397720 268363 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Probably just works? < 1412397739 354940 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you shot yourself in such a way that you fell onto the typing pad < 1412397745 245575 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's say it's also a rotary phone < 1412397748 456525 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numbers don't otherwise start with 9 in the US. < 1412397777 272296 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i guess i just said you had a bullet, not a gun < 1412397785 932608 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could like, choke yourself with it, depending on the size of the bullet < 1412397809 588086 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just get hitler to strangle you... < 1412397833 645044 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :leppy would probably refuse to touch you < 1412397857 64360 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shoot the window and jump out and land on top of a phone < 1412397865 601984 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no gun < 1412397866 283645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1412397872 165909 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :get hitler to spit the bullet really hard < 1412397877 544342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412397903 188586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many UK phones recognise 911 as an emergency number even though it isn't actually meant to have a special meaning in the UK < 1412397915 187103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's too short to be a regular number, and some people grow up on US TV shows < 1412397923 790091 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about 50 < 1412397935 207402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the actual emergency number in the UK is 112, per the rest of Europe; also 999 for backward compatibility) < 1412397968 22591 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, that isn't actually an emergency number < 1412397972 421534 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a world < 1412397978 616775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there are any meaningful numbers shorter than three digits, except on mobile < 1412397988 527057 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does anyone really remember it as 112 < 1412398000 993181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the number you dial when you want a human at the switchboards to do the switching manually was changed from 0 to 100 < 1412398001 183639 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :double hockey sticks to (the max) < 1412398002 548056 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC GSM phones actually map all the emergency numbers to the local one. < 1412398005 449634 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc 112 works in Australia < 1412398018 702183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well I do, but I use 999 when talking to other people to not confuse them < 1412398025 519692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people being confused in an emergency is generally a bad idea < 1412398034 947450 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dracula, dracula < 1412398037 603065 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know about 112 until now (I've only dialed 999 once in my life though) < 1412398074 791370 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the last time i called 911 was to see if the police would come by to unlock someone's car for them (they wouldn't) < 1412398077 40792 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've known about 112 for a few years < 1412398087 926370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the instances I've needed to do an emergency call, either a) I had someone else actually make the call because they had phone access, or b) I was at work, which has a separate emergency number because they have their own local emergency services < 1412398099 189142 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never done an emergency phone < 1412398110 33790 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have called emergency services later, but it was a regular phone number, and also i think privatised < 1412398116 880362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I believe all the payphones have an "Emergency: 999 or 112" in the instructions; and I /think/ it's in that order < 1412398123 160753 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow why did i spell that with an s < 1412398126 530757 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only ever experienced my phone randomly deciding to dial 911 of its own accord. < 1412398129 562275 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was awkward. < 1412398141 221388 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :999 was useless the one time I did call so I don't plan to call again < 1412398151 381963 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's just going to shout really loudly < 1412398152 342048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they added a new semi-emergency number for the NHS recently, whose intended semantics are "I think this is an emergency but I'm not sure" < 1412398173 574665 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it would be about as useful, yeah < 1412398178 385929 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spitting up blood and pieces of liver atm is this normal < 1412398184 369054 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? ok later < 1412398189 99791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't remember what it is, but it's the same digit three times, so there are only eight possibilities < 1412398230 167934 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :111, iirc < 1412398234 254403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably 000 is reserved for if you need to make interplanetary calls < 1412398243 940976 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just shout into the void < 1412398246 807290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(given that 0 is the national dialing prefix, and 00 international) < 1412398257 742097 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :101 is non-emergency police < 1412398267 670925 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Earth is probably +000. < 1412398272 321970 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 'can you come by with a slim jim' number < 1412398280 698261 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+00017193529351 oh yeah < 1412398304 415832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: huh, they have a short number for that now? < 1412398312 936334 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, they have for a few years < 1412398313 545851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last I checked it was seven digits, like most numbers < 1412398320 220465 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Northumberland was one of the trial areas < 1412398326 290168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(eight in london, six if you live somewhere small enough you don't need seven) < 1412398350 566681 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if he's going to randomly get a call now < 1412398397 823020 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I was tempted, but I don't think I get cheap calls to wherever you are < 1412398407 2700 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas. < 1412398428 502419 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :US, incidentally < 1412398433 648092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the cheapest way to call the US from the UK is to use a reseller who just VoIPs to the US, then uses the US phone system for the "last mile" < 1412398435 85650 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then, I don't < 1412398445 591592 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you satisfied with your current long distance provider < 1412398447 445467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skype are the most reputable company doing this, there are tons of smaller ones < 1412398457 926765 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I get free calls from the EU to the UK, and possibly to the EU) < 1412398478 629552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember calling the UK from Hungary, it had a pretty reasonable cost < 1412398483 763843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also attempted to call the UK from Canada, once < 1412398496 124891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a payphone < 1412398501 195849 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, i was gonna keep skype on nowadays. < 1412398509 4035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone who's attempted to use a payphone in Canada will probably have a good idea what happened next < 1412398513 329366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not < 1412398517 641091 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1412398528 473158 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get UK -> Rest of Europe for free < 1412398533 887732 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do get ROE -> ROE < 1412398537 124332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it took about five to ten minutes to calculate how much the call would cost < 1412398549 531618 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny enough, I'd just have to pay $10 this month and I'd get US->UK unlimited. Spiffy. < 1412398550 646487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the result was a) quite large, b) you had to pay it entirely in coins < 1412398561 901232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't physically have enough Canadian currency to be able to pay it without using notes < 1412398577 884636 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I owe one of my lecturers 20p < 1412398595 941795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incidentally, I recently discovered a US dime in my wallet, together with all the random euros; I have no good reason to have one, so I assume someone gave it to me assuming it was a UK five pence coin) < 1412398616 284326 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... probably helps that my phone company's corporate overlords are in Germany. < 1412398623 634619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dime is smaller, but not by so much that you'd necessarily notice making change at a shop < 1412398629 500521 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a vending machine gave me a mysterious coin with a star-and-crescent in place of a fivepence < 1412398646 667781 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :muslims taking over britain, oh no < 1412398678 857581 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Maybe someone put in that coin, on accident and happen to accept anyways, or on purpose since the coin is a similar size enough that it can fit anyways. Do you know how much such a coin is worth? < 1412398692 143923 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Alas, it's probably more sensible to randomly send me mail. < 1412398724 391375 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, rupees have star and crescent on em < 1412398739 829735 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what's your address (not really serious, I wouldn't know what to send) < 1412398747 9724 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: $ whois pikhq.com < 1412398764 738948 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chiefacoins.com/Database/Countries/Pak-50Rupees_1997Cu.jpg rollin' in (extremely common) ca$h monie$ < 1412398768 580322 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :.ca offers free personal info hiding on domains < 1412398769 926902 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a nice touch < 1412398793 1170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loads of registrars do that nowadays, some registries too < 1412398793 227642 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've not exactly ever been secretive about my personal info. < 1412398796 811102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think .uk also does < 1412398812 689793 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, your city is listed the same as your street name < 1412398825 81437 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Weird. < 1412398867 165333 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the info that's in there would actually get routed correctly. The USPS would probably scribble something about an incorrect address format though. < 1412398893 629408 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably get the city from the zip code? < 1412398896 328985 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I assume they do that just to avoid having to deliver your mail < 1412398896 895493 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1412398923 270589 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Street address + ZIP is sufficient, it's just not correct. < 1412398925 934835 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: reputable but maybe not worthy of that reputation. < 1412398936 837891 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Nah. USPS is crazy-awesome about mail delivery. < 1412398953 720267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well, the others are even shadier AFAICT < 1412398972 211884 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with the US and their absurdly high house numbers < 1412398976 748877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they mostly advertise via: posters in downmarket corner shops; or fliers inexpertly stuck to the walls of payphone booths (mostly at an angle) < 1412398989 46728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: could just be absurdly long roads? < 1412398995 33427 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think there are plenty of reasonable VoIP type providers? < 1412398998 366784 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: We don't like house numbers that don't end in 0. < 1412399007 275441 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412399023 293448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a few roads near where I live which have house numbers over 1000, and it's quite easy to verify that it's as a result of having more than 1000 houses < 1412399025 284577 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The highest street number I've lived in was (depending how you count it), 6-18 or 10 < 1412399040 890467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, near in the relative sense < 1412399042 526046 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :House numbers here are as a rule at least 3 digits. < 1412399048 982922 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Period. < 1412399055 448277 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, they generally have 3 < 1412399060 561929 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I'm at number 7 < 1412399067 765055 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's because it's typical to jump to the next 100 every time you get to a cross street < 1412399073 458714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :house numbers in the UK are pretty standardised; start from 1 on one side of the road and 2 on the other, increase by 2 for each house on each side < 1412399074 582203 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know US house numbers that don't end with 0... < 1412399075 258751 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Street with 2 houses? They're called 100 and 200. < 1412399085 685819 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can figure out which block a property is on by looking at the number < 1412399087 644471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you build new houses later append letters < 1412399089 286975 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, my street doesn't have any even numbers < 1412399089 473904 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Yeah, but such aren't the norm. < 1412399099 957335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it has houses only on one side? < 1412399103 244743 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1412399106 935844 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually they go up as described by ais523 < 1412399120 657031 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes by larger increments though where the city might subdivide < 1412399122 123307 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, numbering in the US is not generally systematically organized. < 1412399124 82652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my friends lives on a road that disobeys this rule, apparently people get very confused when visiting < 1412399127 596199 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(especially in urban areas with large properties) < 1412399129 696691 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some streets with houses on one side they have all the numbers < 1412399140 268586 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :An individual city or region will generally have a rule, but it's unlikely to be the same rule across areas. < 1412399140 470234 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(such as my holiday-time address) < 1412399140 670123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in very rural areas sometimes they don't number at all and just use names < 1412399144 625647 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC there's even a general rule about which side of the road gets which number < 1412399147 632130 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: same here < 1412399155 16162 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: though I think for posting, you need to use the number < 1412399185 295660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the post service are quite good at figuring out addresses, generally < 1412399193 717817 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some areas, like Utah, actually give addresses in the form of coordinates on a Cartesian grid overlaid on the city. < 1412399202 446130 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is really nice once you get used to it) < 1412399214 442936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1412399222 39955 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read once about somebody in england who lost his house number (4) because the road got expande. In england you can name your house, so he called his hous Four. < 1412399223 379277 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(here the other side of the road is a very narrow piece of woodland, then a sports field or part of my uni beyond that) < 1412399234 545152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412399247 789484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good news! it wasn't my connection that time < 1412399250 553275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, my client segfaulted < 1412399252 202638 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan, heh < 1412399256 733537 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also heh < 1412399322 727161 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for those of you who really wanna give me mail or knock on my door, but are too lazy to look up what my ZIP code maps to, I live in St Louis!) < 1412399351 408905 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and please don't be creepy, or I shall be forced to answer the door in the nude) < 1412399373 220316 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, and i already bought the plane ticket < 1412399559 405941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: Are you sure it is allowed to be called the same as numbers? Can't it become confusing then? < 1412399607 659222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1412399631 762157 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the council never thought about that, just that people would always want to their house normal house name. like 'the crumudgide' < 1412399632 779250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412399695 669527 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was only until somebody "needed' a reason to call their house a number (eventhough four is a series of letter) that they did. < 1412399730 350040 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats my reasoning, just a funny anecdote somebody put online. < 1412399757 372963 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412399802 978508 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nethack4.org/pastebin/12.txt < 1412399807 474002 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem's at my end, unsurprisingly < 1412399812 189736 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wow is that a bad ping output < 1412399868 237879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I think is if they need to change house numbers, then they should change the name of the street too, so that if it is referred by the number, you can still not confuse mail already in transit < 1412399892 686939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1412399953 519804 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i like about programmers, they're always looking for the worst edge case. < 1412400048 531744 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1412400066 484498 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thinking about it, they number roads that change each, what, week on a national level must be considerable. < 1412400098 668099 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mail is amazing. < 1412400162 671814 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now with electonic mail and soon 3d car downloading, that amazing system willl be obsolete. < 1412400534 466574 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna try and get some more sleep < 1412400771 56859 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: right ... until you shop online and have the goods delivered to your home. oops. < 1412400814 506171 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3d car download covers that, just mark it "not a car though". it's very well though out. < 1412400910 890927 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still sometimes use postal mail though < 1412400951 698484 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you, like, a crazy person? < 1412400985 349169 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kid. i think being able to write proper letter is a great skill. < 1412400988 339840 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do *you* think????????????????????????????????????????? < 1412401010 734377 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, 3 too many '?' definitely a nutjob. < 1412401031 299528 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, you being here tilts the balance towards "crazy" already. < 1412401052 126100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see what it says on Wikipedia? < 1412401074 505305 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :About? Question marks???!1? < 1412401083 233827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean on my user page < 1412401228 9268 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not wading through all those banners... < 1412401260 793863 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though I find the "STOP GLOBAL BLOATING" one kind of ironic in context.) < 1412401303 591206 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. "This user needs more userboxes. MORE, I tell you, more!!! Muhahaha!" < 1412401463 11994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is kind of ironic in context < 1412402365 111042 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides zzo38 is CR-schrodinger < 1412402396 596921 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Which means what? < 1412402407 224388 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CR-0 - CR-5 < 1412402416 597687 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1412402436 339008 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see see see < 1412403053 1502 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1412403698 989603 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vnwaiplxztzecpfs QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1412404109 374976 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412404336 366190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1412404787 894739 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat.pheonix: points 7.38, score 27.86, rank 9/47 (--) < 1412408539 374351 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1412408706 373264 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412409576 493213 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412409580 291980 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412410874 167344 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pyth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40575&oldid=40309 5* 03Quincunx 5* (+0) 10/* Documentation */ < 1412412047 555502 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1412412545 319008 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1412412560 810401 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412413162 785652 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1412413358 314386 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1412414497 959626 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.80.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412415532 480126 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412415593 5480 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.80.79 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1412415593 223150 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.155 NICK :AndoDaan < 1412415780 790909 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03MillieDCVO 5* 10New user account < 1412415783 428911 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Abuse filter 5* 10blocked [[02User:MillieDCVO10]] with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation disabled): Automatically blocked by abuse filter. Description of matched rule: first edit is to user page and contains spambot-like use of br tag < 1412415856 769138 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was fast < 1412415896 526643 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too fast. the bots are in kahoots, one making the other look good. to gain our trust. < 1412415919 694892 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same spam pattern as the other bots today < 1412415921 737061 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but different URL < 1412415946 731427 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one appears to be trying to manipulate search results for the phrase "remove flouride from tap water" < 1412415961 273341 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a) misspelt, b) reminiscent of a conspiracy theory < 1412415967 882033 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ruin my teeth? no thank you. evil bot. < 1412416075 490934 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spam filter can't recognize conspiracy looking stuff, can it? < 1412416084 860003 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just terrible use of newlines < 1412416092 251635 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, if a /specific/ conspiracy is spammed a lot < 1412416095 251951 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could tweak the filter to block it < 1412416099 399969 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the same as a specific anything else < 1412416106 596911 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can if the

conspiracy theory is tagged accordingly < 1412416147 182257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://slbkbs.org/fluids.jpg < 1412416235 401231 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but dihydrogen monoxide does that too. i'm not too woried. < 1412416287 580675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :causes apathy about fluoridation < 1412416288 696059 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of stuff has been used by Nazis, good luck avoiding it all. < 1412416291 564928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ultimate conspiracy < 1412416305 228592 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: *flouridation < 1412416308 38468 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a misspelt conspiracy < 1412416322 804492 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, who came up with the spelling of "fluoride" anyway < 1412416323 924065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelt < 1412416325 362267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get it < 1412416376 710317 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and obviously I couldn't care less about all the stuff that causes apathy. < 1412416396 629401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: On Wednesday and Friday I rode a monorail! A monorail is_a kind of a train! < 1412416417 131351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should inform the folks in #trains of this! < 1412416422 597975 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :magnetic levitation, or just unicycle-style? < 1412416428 224417 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines a unicycle train < 1412416437 600974 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( fizzie has a one-track mind?! ) < 1412416442 839976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-Bahn#D.C3.BCsseldorf_Airport <- this Düsseldorf airport one, so the hanging-from-the-rail style. < 1412416474 682019 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me more of a cable car than a train < 1412416487 408901 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the term "cable car" maybe means something different in US and UK english < 1412416508 817505 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK they normally hang below the cable and are used as a fast method to transport people up or between mountains < 1412416521 401102 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't many of them because we don't have many mountains, they're basically just there for touristy purposes < 1412416709 957809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They call it a SkyTrain, so it has to be a train. < 1412416717 620337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sure, it's more like that. < 1412416735 797525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one distinction is that it moves under its own power, instead of being dragged by the cable. < 1412416756 336830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pidättekö junat? < 1412416793 752839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be "junista", really. If "do you (plural) like trains" is what you were aiming for. < 1412416838 29860 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"junista" has a nice sound to it, even if I don't know what it means < 1412416865 877247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going for plural-you, though I guess only one Finnish speaker is active right now. < 1412416907 629916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what are "juna", "junat", "junista", "junalla"? < 1412417011 344135 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03KandaceMQMT 5* 10New user account < 1412417027 230430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noun cases? < 1412417053 476652 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure that's one a bot too. < 1412417054 41148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I meant what they mean here. But maybe I can figure it out. < 1412417073 297586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"junista" would be the plural elative case, I guess, but I don't have any idea why it's used as the case for 'like'. < 1412417090 808801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly just for the heck of it. < 1412417113 159964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would the singular be? < 1412417118 759157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"junalla" would be the singular adessive case, if you were going somewhere *on* a train, which matches the English pronoun. < 1412417131 493419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pidätkö junasta", if there's a particular single train you might or might not like. < 1412417134 361240 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: well it hasn't tried to edit yet < 1412417137 1662 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who knows < 1412417140 192741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "pidättekö" if the you is also plural. < 1412417226 176835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "pidättekö junat" actually would most likely be interpreted as "will you be keeping the trains"; something you could ask after a test drive if you were selling trains, I guess. < 1412417236 250495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For a different sense of the verb 'pitää'.) < 1412417249 20097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pidätkö Yunnan-tee? < 1412417285 125034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, OK. < 1412417403 956202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which case is "junat"? < 1412417594 111099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in "pidättekö junat" 'will you keep the trains' I think it's the accusative case. < 1412417631 463161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The singular would be "pidättekö junan". < 1412417645 254071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sometimes the accusative is identical to the nominative.) < 1412417683 183651 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opiskelen suomea? < 1412417691 418187 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Opiskelet < 1412417731 662646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/finnish-cases.html might be a good overview of the Finnish noun cases. < 1412417736 647519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Korpela's website in general. < 1412417791 224047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane2: I think you're at least missing a ko. < 1412417796 964966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't list accusative as a noun case in the table, but it's mentioned in note #15. < 1412417800 298797 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you're right. < 1412417810 320301 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain's a bit mush at the moment. < 1412417841 360929 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm studying it, but sometimes on the weekends my brain just rebels for the first day after a week of being shouted at in Finnish ... < 1412417883 44022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And informally -- at least when speaking instead of writing -- you could probably "legally" leave the -ko out. < 1412417905 669987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you otherwise sound interrogative enough. < 1412417925 935954 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1412417932 894819 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many prepositions become cases in other languages < 1412417946 818669 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, English has a genitive, that's a preposition in French < 1412417951 543089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably a bit like "You're studying Finnish?" rather than "Are you studying Finnish?". < 1412417957 555961 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the trouble with learning Finnish; it's taught in the strictest style possible, while many actual Finns are a lot more loose about things. < 1412417977 20562 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yeah. < 1412417988 284392 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :preposition ←→ case seems like a common transformation between languages < 1412418038 181236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the disadvantage of prepositions? < 1412418041 57507 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. English has a surplus of prepositions. < 1412418097 850724 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(Even Finns have problems in selecting the correct case when using a less common municipality name. A list of municipality names and their cases has been composed for such purposes.)" < 1412418107 618718 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The infinitive "to" form, for instance, doesn't seem to be bothered with in many other languages. Same with "The", which is instead often either implied or just a case. < 1412418107 936338 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, there is this thing I was working on called grammartree < 1412418121 584641 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prepositions were one of the hardest bits to handle < 1412418486 971073 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.63.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412418496 519925 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.63.84 QUIT :Changing host < 1412418496 697798 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1412419036 698910 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust watch (>>>+++)*3>([(+)*9[-].]>)*4 < 1412419037 324392 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.watch: points -34.21, score 2.80, rank 47/47 < 1412419045 81787 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust watch (>>>+++)*3>([(+)*9[-].]>)*-1 < 1412419045 586580 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.watch: points -18.57, score 8.65, rank 47/47 (--) < 1412419073 697638 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust watch (>>>+++)*3>([(+)*9[-].]>)*4(<<<--)*3([(+)*9[-].]>)*-1 < 1412419075 19785 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.watch: points -27.29, score 4.28, rank 47/47 (--) < 1412419080 646317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This whole "inner/outer case is completely random for place names" thing is silly. < 1412419131 146445 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if you intentionally use the wrong one? < 1412419144 144821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :An exception is thrown. < 1412419155 260918 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow (>(+)*128)*3(>-)*6>([(-)*10[+]]>)*-1 < 1412419156 79885 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.slow: points -26.69, score 5.26, rank 47/47 < 1412419159 168674 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow (>(+)*128)*3(>-)*6>([(-)*10[+].]>)*-1 < 1412419160 217800 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.slow: points -27.50, score 5.15, rank 47/47 (--) < 1412419162 807228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, in many cases it just "sounds wrong". < 1412419164 631124 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow (>(+)*128)*3(>-)*6>([(-)*8[+]]>)*-1 < 1412419165 570162 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.slow: points -26.14, score 5.41, rank 47/47 (--) < 1412419171 110200 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bftest slow (>(+)*128)*3(>-)*6>([(-)*8[+]]>)*-1 < 1412419171 378834 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.slow: points -26.14, score 5.41, rank 47/47 (--) < 1412419179 663429 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bftest slow (>(+)*128)*3(>-)*6>>([(-)*8[+]]>)*-1 < 1412419179 841221 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.slow: points -25.45, score 5.65, rank 47/47 (--) < 1412419182 340333 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bftest slow (>(+)*128)*3(>-)*6>>>([(-)*8[+]]>)*-1 < 1412419182 594581 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.slow: points -24.95, score 5.86, rank 47/47 (--) < 1412419185 692970 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bftest slow (>(+)*128)*3(>-)*6>>>>([(-)*8[+]]>)*-1 < 1412419185 943790 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.slow: points -24.33, score 6.17, rank 47/47 (--) < 1412419189 456472 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bftest slow (>(+)*128)*3(>-)*6>>>>>([(-)*8[+]]>)*-1 < 1412419189 638065 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.slow: points -22.67, score 6.73, rank 47/47 (--) < 1412419192 156945 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bftest slow (>(+)*128)*3(>-)*6>>>>>>([(-)*8[+]]>)*-1 < 1412419192 393336 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.slow: points -21.69, score 7.16, rank 47/47 (--) < 1412419197 318126 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bftest slow (>(+)*128)*3(>-)*6>>>>>>>([(-)*8[+]]>)*-1 < 1412419197 522938 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.slow: points -21.60, score 7.26, rank 47/47 (--) < 1412419200 883156 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bftest slow (>(+)*128)*3(>-)*6>>>>>>>>([(-)*8[+]]>)*-1 < 1412419201 79250 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.slow: points -21.02, score 7.58, rank 47/47 (--) < 1412419203 517456 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1412419207 131809 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bftest slow (>(+)*128)*3(>-)*6>>>>>>>>>([(-)*8[+]]>)*-1 < 1412419207 309860 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.slow: points -21.12, score 7.54, rank 47/47 (--) < 1412419216 726660 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bftest slow (>(+)*128)*3(>--)*6>>>>>>>>([(-)*8[+]]>)*-1 < 1412419216 904501 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.slow: points -21.52, score 7.33, rank 47/47 (--) < 1412419227 396754 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bftest slow (>(+)*128)*3(>-)*6>->->->->->->->([(-)*8[+]]>)*-1 < 1412419227 574322 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_.slow: points -21.21, score 7.34, rank 47/47 (--) < 1412421662 472798 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.86.155 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1412421772 926546 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1412421777 331722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412422071 501733 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.84.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412422131 558680 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1412422286 471991 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1412424328 339410 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03BernadeMerz 5* 10New user account < 1412424334 851860 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Abuse filter 5* 10blocked [[02User:BernadeMerz10]] with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation disabled): Automatically blocked by abuse filter. Description of matched rule: first edit is to user page and contains spambot-like use of br tag < 1412424690 394097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hardly spamming recent changes because it normally comes right after a spambot creating an account, which is also a recent changes action < 1412424721 687936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"has lots of interests that include frisbee golf, acne scars removal and collecting" < 1412424729 398837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly these are randomly generated profiles < 1412424749 919904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no, acne scar removal's what they're advertising, but the link is elsewhere < 1412424774 330974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, according to Wikipedia, frisbee golf does actually exist < 1412424786 631877 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.84.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty cool. < 1412424799 295310 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.84.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never played it, but if i could i would. < 1412424833 905569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A disc is considered at rest once it is no longer moving. If the disc breaks into pieces the largest piece establishes position." < 1412424848 55357 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.84.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1412424848 298001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way that this rule not only exists, but is actually mentioned in an introductory primer on Wikipedia < 1412424947 676526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm, it seems that instead of swapping out clubs, the players have specific disks for specific sorts of throw < 1412425078 607170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering what it was that that spambot collected < 1412425840 870531 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1412426245 418685 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412426470 790326 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where I went to college we had a frisbee golf course in the woods around the library. < 1412426792 774053 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1412426916 288928 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Quit: Viivan loppu. < 1412427758 813805 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :< fizzie> scarf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-Bahn#D.C3.BCsseldorf_Airport <- this Düsseldorf airport one, so the hanging-from-the-rail style. – I live in Wuppertal, where we have such a train system as public transportation, operating since 1901. < 1412427806 520029 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412428517 795043 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1412428944 376940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1412429295 20951 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1412429313 296261 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03DorthyBraswell 5* 10New user account < 1412429316 152952 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Abuse filter 5* 10blocked [[02User:DorthyBraswell10]] with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation disabled): Automatically blocked by abuse filter. Description of matched rule: first edit is to user page and contains spambot-like use of br tag < 1412429637 490602 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.84.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1412429922 734898 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat.pheonix: points 7.38, score 27.77, rank 9/47 (--) < 1412430227 522245 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, a bfjoust entry without the person having had entered the code first here? < 1412430401 66222 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.71.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412430857 241708 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: websubmission probably < 1412430868 350413 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :to reduce channel bandwidth you can submit from outside < 1412430893 80888 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Flow chart14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40576&oldid=40573 5* 03Tastyfish 5* (+129) 10 < 1412431444 971260 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.71.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_,: is there a shorter way to get "\n" on the stack in burlesque? < 1412431495 109810 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a string? < 1412431498 124058 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as a character? < 1412431525 851995 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for char just use ' followed by a newline < 1412431530 869253 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.71.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, good qustion < 1412431536 145281 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for string just do " followed by a newline followed by " < 1412431547 925127 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/ar8wGWsG <- like that < 1412431568 180378 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.71.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, i never thought of using newlines in my burlesque code, i'm dumb < 1412431666 147284 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing a string can't contain is " :) < 1412431669 799569 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because " ends a string < 1412431684 790933 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other than that you can embed any character directly without using escape sequences < 1412431692 497862 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "\'" < 1412431692 864406 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\"" < 1412431695 191048 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "\'"Q < 1412431695 385049 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : " < 1412431698 70329 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :" is \' < 1412433441 800589 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {qu in e.} < 1412433441 978148 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{u } in e.} < 1412433458 805871 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{u } in e.} < 1412433459 381870 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{u } in e.} < 1412433995 184142 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how well does blsq handle infinite lists? < 1412434119 203757 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.71.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :handle them? it creates them! < 1412434268 444694 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way, in a single Python file, with no knowledge of libraries installed other than the standard library, I can do calculation on a GPU? < 1412434551 296674 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412434642 164600 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.71.107 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1412434642 852601 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.218 NICK :AndoDaan < 1412434684 955861 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-175-249-19.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1412434749 328016 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1412434951 959646 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1412435810 234288 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no knowledge"? < 1412436203 524038 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://searchcode.com/?q=if%28version%2Cstartswith%28%22windows+9%22 < 1412436975 306539 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sroowudspmxlmejb JOIN :#esoteric < 1412437878 570858 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1412437878 856135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 041538Z 15018G25KT 2 1/2SM RA BR BKN006 OVC028 14/12 A2958 RMK SF6SC2 SLP017 DENSITY ALT 300FT < 1412438000 401597 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412438049 764212 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1412439339 331207 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Haskell is #12 in the new Gartner index: http://blogs.gartner.com/mark_driver/2014/10/02/gartner-programming-language-index-for-2014/ < 1412439752 661781 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the Gartner measure? is it similar to TIOBE? < 1412439852 362657 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1412439872 692658 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corporate client feedback and use, apparently, as well as public repos and certain popular web sources like stackoverflow. < 1412439993 547688 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :twelve is a nice spot, then. successful while avoiding success. < 1412440130 62497 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D I was just surprised that it would score so high on a corporate-weighted index: I know Clojure's seen some inroads by piggybacking on the needs of Java programmers desperate to program in anything but Java. < 1412440824 530414 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Java. < 1412440831 967844 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're weird < 1412440888 716669 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language is nice. it has some built-in idiosyncracies, but otherwise it's quite fine. < 1412440914 739826 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all the surrounding enterprisiness and ecosystem and overly-dramatic lasagna code I can't stand. < 1412441035 822775 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lasagna code? < 1412441036 18183 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat? < 1412441059 262814 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's weird. Back in the day I was curious about Java as a language, but put off by awful performance. Now Java is fast, but the way it's coded makes my brain hurt. < 1412441113 46730 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But well, comnig next fall I have to choose between two apprenticeships, one of which is a CS diploma course with a lot of 'cloud' and 'data scaling' buzzwords in it, and the other of which is Java EE ... < 1412441173 249813 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LordCreepity: Code that is so unnecessarily layered and refactored that finding any thing specific in it requires better-than-Google search algorithms, let alone debugging anything. < 1412441192 891000 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1412441196 60390 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill me now < 1412441274 762499 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LordCreepity: The archetype parody: https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition < 1412441339 865422 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing surprising there. code has this natural tendency to laminally degenerate. it's when you suddenly find what you were searching for 10-layers deep in the class hierarchy, nested between arbitrary Abstract and Generic Factory Adapters that you remember that as a responsible adult it's a good thing you're not always keeping a fire axe within reach. < 1412441356 434784 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1412441373 602170 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1412441387 92912 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :laundry done, time for a nap... < 1412441393 965718 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: AERATED CHICKEN < 1412441645 46491 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that code < 1412441647 658588 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurts < 1412441650 23648 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my < 1412441651 755856 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :EYES < 1412442347 912578 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1412442726 635508 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1412442940 979933 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :LordCreepity: please don't tell me you didn't wear any protection while approaching that code < 1412442999 254739 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kkkkiiiilll.... meeeee.... < 1412443001 310315 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fungot any good ad decontamination? < 1412443001 555251 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ( ( we didn't know how bad it was based on a true life story or something yeah < 1412443013 307702 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1412443018 549628 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my... ...eyes.... are gone... < 1412443088 261376 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about your brain? < 1412443120 429209 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, could you fetch the pills, please? < 1412443120 629323 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ( ( mm)) there's an imbalance now um i live in kansas < 1412443177 887567 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, too bad that oerjan isn't here to marvel at the balanced parentheses right next to the term "imbalance". < 1412443191 438822 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot outdid itself there < 1412443191 734205 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so it's a big fnord person so i enjoy it and and i think my first attempt at it somehow evaporated into thin air i was a kid < 1412443199 360781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ... I'm done. < 1412443289 354701 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1412443724 667528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: When were you a kid? < 1412443724 896053 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: because if if if you have fnord so i've only this is my < 1412443725 576181 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1412443787 405110 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1412443787 647105 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher* fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1412443807 839926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What are you even talking about? < 1412443808 42490 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh my first time i saw something like odd on the street market whatever < 1412443820 198855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever. < 1412443845 573229 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cherish fungot's coherent moments, they are so rare. < 1412443845 763887 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it just really sigh improves your perception of things so noise noise < 1412443863 676238 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, did that count? it almost made sense.. < 1412443907 666072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some styles make them happen more often than others. < 1412443925 64601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1412443925 289514 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1412443926 243741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Please give an analysis of the current economic climate, please. < 1412443927 612354 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, the commission does not have the support, not only by women, but men, who get to fill the jobs available or by giving them training, recognized in terms of balance between the interests of protection against noise. aware of the consequences of the implementation of the principle of enhanced cooperation. all these proposals should be turned into practical action, i.e. the handicap of r < 1412443969 461199 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done, answered like a true politician < 1412443978 562250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What are the consequences of the principle of enhanced coöperation? < 1412443979 500217 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i wish to make three comments at the conclusion of this agreement, they are politicians and, not least towards parliament, because we have implemented a study of the various stages of the production refunds for sugar for european countries from which these desperate people flee. perhaps then, we must respond to the questions that we have today opened a smoking zone behind the hemicycle, i met a group called ' september < 1412443991 436440 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in that by the end of the statement, nothing was said but the question is forgotten) < 1412444014 458702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That last one went to a weird place. < 1412444039 847360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I like the "sugar for european countries from which these desperate people flee" part. < 1412444065 634564 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote fungot we have today opened a smoking zone behind the hemicycle < 1412444066 199611 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: mr president, i would say to mrs flemming that the entire policy for the eu, that we can take an overall view of the forthcoming negotiating round of the wto are resumed next year, which would include legislation and information to parliament. < 1412444067 93950 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1222) fungot we have today opened a smoking zone behind the hemicycle < 1412444118 49991 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1412444120 587836 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1221 < 1412444121 198542 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1221) GeekDude: there's not much point in addquoting someone doing an addquote < 1412444124 779634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i -e '1222s/fungot//' < 1412444125 422905 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: no input files < 1412444125 656318 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr rocard has succeeded in presenting an extremely strong case and managed to table sound amendments. i do not wish to speak at the beginning of the next such situation, and that it must not be increased as it already costs us a bit with the united states < 1412444129 225503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i -e '1222s/fungot//' quotes < 1412444129 749036 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, there are still critics of the eu common position on the first question, demilitarisation, i can only suggest that you reconsider the simplified labelling system. this is why the community should be used to the system would gain the satisfaction that the rapporteur, mrs montfort, has done. < 1412444131 596477 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1412444132 360279 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks fizzie < 1412444184 827133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, /<&>/ would've been shorter. < 1412444213 349753 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style enron < 1412444213 552283 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: enron (subset of the Enron email dataset) < 1412444221 740159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not preprocessed very well. < 1412444228 475561 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is the enron style as evasive as the euparl one? < 1412444229 135491 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: " we charge all and the address for the following will also attend: power demand." gshebleiastate.edu on 10/ 10 to 4 and people want you to know any major complications of a new and ever increasing theft of supplies of various) target accounts that had we, the decision on the number of questions of the over the top. < 1412444248 493427 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style euparl < 1412444248 673878 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1412444264 229551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"euro", not "eu". < 1412444268 508507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1412444268 695472 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1412444431 836341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit unclear as to how reconsidering the simplified labelling system will help in matters related to demilitarisation. < 1412444519 942268 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how many candles do you have on your cake? < 1412444520 428390 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, i am very grateful to the commission to say that the matter has been raised as an issue to be raised by the future dutch presidency plans to organise a debate in the convention and that the various parties, instead of being used for maritime transport and fisheries. < 1412444536 751608 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think fungot is pretty amazing for a bot written in befunge < 1412444538 461887 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: mr president, a civilised society. when you made the statement and hope we will achieve nothing more than a century old and which has modified their traditional roles. the information in order to conceal our weaknesses. i will say that the external actions of the european ombudsman again, a woman who has spent hours of frustration at airports, which has been one of the spouses to bear all the expenses incurred in financ < 1412444611 276110 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah. a woman who has spent hours of frustration at airports < 1412444619 823911 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can relate to that < 1412444671 33269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Original source comment: "Each one of us who has spent hours of frustration at airports, which has definitely been the case this winter, and in traffic chaos on the roads, which has also been the case, know just how imperative it is to create an efficient rail system linking the whole of Europe." < 1412444676 874106 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1412444723 927470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for the earlier half: "What happens to a woman who has spent twenty years with a husband who then leaves her?" < 1412444738 90192 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is marginally more coherent than what fungot made of it. :) < 1412444738 572124 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: mr president, i thank mr prodi for the fact that the netherlands, have very effective environmentally friendly treatments which make an environmental impact assessment. we can see, mr president, this is, of course, one of which is " gross national product and support for these products. amendment no 3 < 1412444768 772693 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilarity ensues < 1412444811 78899 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what'll happen if we'd feed it with law texts < 1412444874 878945 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style sms < 1412444875 62552 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: sms (National University of Singapore SMS corpus, 2011-08-20) < 1412444890 183609 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, say something funny, please? < 1412444890 372052 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: nw i has cum mre frm urself thn frm othrs hav done < 1412444915 993215 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nvm < 1412444916 192942 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: cal me ra hun .tm sunao? gud morning andrew. plz giv me one color? < 1412444917 684387 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he likes you < 1412444942 732018 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1412444942 909742 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1412444950 977723 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sms style hurts so much. < 1412445009 818244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very true to life. < 1412445186 996593 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.oO( should i make an esolang that looks like sms? ) < 1412445238 704673 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :629992233 < 1412445262 201863 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a no < 1412445361 149930 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nw i has cum mre frm urself thn frm othrs hav done" is scarily close to coherency < 1412445387 322633 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1412445400 348922 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way < 1412445466 549161 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1412445694 327775 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: well, there's already the cheeseburger lang, knock out a few more vowels and it wouldn't be far off. < 1412445746 580908 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane2: the question is: does it annoy int-e? < 1412445785 691645 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally, I think a snake-based lang would be more interesting. ;) < 1412445800 319484 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :snake-based? < 1412445808 433538 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude < 1412445815 78102 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in the game. < 1412445863 579661 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... how? < 1412446062 419880 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Well, what if snake sections stored values? < 1412446387 163176 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1412446448 431607 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot_: sounds like LOLCODE < 1412446678 964531 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define snake on a fractal tiling < 1412447463 889168 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat.pheonix: points 8.60, score 29.35, rank 7/47 (+2) < 1412447573 279057 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat.pheonix: points 8.69, score 29.49, rank 7/47 (--) < 1412447668 313345 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Pretty well < 1412447690 645433 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1R@{?i}m[{10.>}f[10.+ < 1412447690 915635 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20} < 1412447711 634098 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 10 . filter (> 10) . map succ $ [1..] < 1412447714 228611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20] < 1412447729 473329 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: do you have a highlight on blsq? < 1412447742 452394 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: It's written in Haskell, so it inherited a lot of laziness. < 1412447746 846642 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: hm. I think so < 1412447753 945202 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1Jq.+10C!#s < 1412447754 138724 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {144 89 55 34 21 13 8 5 3 2 1 1} < 1412447759 293879 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fibonacci < 1412447773 600379 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what else do you mean by highlight < 1412447916 208657 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :something to ping you when someone says "blsq" < 1412447924 900247 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1412447928 141455 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. I don't. < 1412447986 302279 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I just read the log < 1412448078 594782 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "ABC\nCBA\nBCA"ln)XXtp)><)F:)<]u[/v\[ < 1412448078 785467 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ACC" < 1412448101 877697 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's still my favorite Burlesque program though :) < 1412448111 487112 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "ABC\nCBA\nBCA\nACC"ln)XXtp)><)F:)<]u[/v\[ < 1412448111 677078 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "BBA" < 1412448123 221215 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whait < 1412448138 479313 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "ABC\nCBA\n"ln)XXtp)><)F:)<]u[/v\[ < 1412448138 711338 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ABA" < 1412448142 859758 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1412448153 503448 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "ABC"R@ < 1412448153 681131 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"" "A" "B" "AB" "C" "AC" "BC" "ABC"} < 1412448155 823088 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "ABC"r@ < 1412448156 820 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"ABC" "BAC" "CBA" "BCA" "CAB" "ACB"} < 1412448161 7583 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "ABC"r@u < 1412448161 200642 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: (line 1, column 9): < 1412448162 206347 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "ABC"r@un < 1412448162 398643 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ABC\nBAC\nCBA\nBCA\nCAB\nACB" < 1412448166 448370 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "ABC"r@[-un < 1412448166 631195 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "BAC\nCBA\nBCA\nCAB\nACB" < 1412448171 473919 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "ABC"r@[-unln)XXtp)><)F:)<]u[/v\[ < 1412448171 665195 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ABC" < 1412448190 522616 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln)XXtp)><)F:)<]u[/v\[ given a set of permutations returns the missing permutations < 1412448202 829454 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if and only if exactly one permutation is missing < 1412448239 210174 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell can you memorize that stuff < 1412448257 59076 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The commands? < 1412448339 651200 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines . map explode . transpose . map sort . map frequencies . map min . ungroup . swappop . concat < 1412448353 784941 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I just know them :) < 1412448361 40629 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... I wrote the interpreter and the Documentation < 1412448365 941635 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that helped a lot in learning them < 1412448376 843802 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I golf frequently in it. That' helps memorizing it too < 1412448422 201727 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1412448447 543755 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1412448454 792183 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1 2 3 "mark" 4 5 6 7CL{"mark"!=}TW[- < 1412448454 979615 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {6 5 4} < 1412448459 599064 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1 2 3 "mark" 4 5 6 7CL{"mark"!=}TW < 1412448459 785621 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {7 6 5 4} < 1412448517 184569 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Also I have nothing better to do than working on burlesque < 1412448592 703667 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the commands kinda give a hint to what they do < 1412448605 368567 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :TW is obviously some sort of TakeWhile < 1412448613 100107 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and DW is DropWhile < 1412448637 258780 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[- is kinda like < 1412448641 917781 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ is the beginning of the list < 1412448642 426845 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: is (the beginning of the list) < 1412448648 807531 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ hu < 1412448649 319660 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: |value error: hu < 1412448658 163856 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ |. $ 10 < 1412448658 702006 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: < 1412448664 947484 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ?. 5 5 $ 10 < 1412448665 443080 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 4 6 8 6 5 < 1412448665 625348 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 8 6 6 6 9 < 1412448665 625492 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 3 2 3 1 9 < 1412448665 625585 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 2 7 0 9 5 < 1412448665 625670 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 7 7 9 7 4 < 1412448672 112767 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ?. 50 50 $ 10 < 1412448672 649416 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 4 6 8 6 5 8 6 6 6 9 3 2 3 1 9 2 7 0 9 5 7 7 9 7 4 8 7 4 2 1 1 0 4 3 9 3 2 7 4 4 0 3 7 5 9 6 3 2 8 2 < 1412448673 207253 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 0 3 5 4 0 0 3 1 5 0 4 0 2 9 2 4 0 0 7 7 5 7 3 1 6 3 1 5 8 9 8 5 3 9 9 8 9 5 1 1 0 4 1 7 3 2 3 4 0 4 < 1412448673 207467 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 9 4 9 5 9 0 1 9 7 3 5 2 4 8 1 5 6 5 9 5 0 1 8 4 1 5 5 9 1 9 6 6 0 5 5 5 7 2 4 6 0 0 8 2 2 5 1 9 7 8 < 1412448673 207557 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 9 4 9 9 1 2 2 0 7 1 7 0 0 1 5 8 0 6 5 5 8 8 2 4 9 9 6 6 5 6 6 4 9 0 0 3 1 3 5 6 8 6 6 8 4 0 0 4 3 4 < 1412448673 207652 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 7 5 0 2 8 8 3 6 4 4 4 4 0 7 1 2 2 7 2 6 1 2 9 0 3 3 2 2 9 6 1 7 5 0 7 3 9 3 9 2 5 8 2 9 8 9 5 9 8 7 < 1412448673 207737 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: ... < 1412448688 672132 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat botprefixes < 1412448689 133868 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: botprefixes: No such file or directory < 1412448765 944922 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly it's still because I have nothing better to do than working on burlesque < 1412448790 679859 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :creating esolang's gotten kinda boring < 1412448809 861071 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh great. another bf derivative." "oh great. another queue thingy" "oh great. another stack based thingy" < 1412448819 155744 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh great. another thingy with string replacements" < 1412448888 911291 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm out of new freaky ideas < 1412448980 236778 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I went for faux-vintage instead. < 1412448992 608374 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more a retrocomputing guy anyway. < 1412449019 297991 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only use computers built on BJTs, the data are smoother that way < 1412449021 42120 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane2: what? < 1412449059 852593 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should do some z80 sometime < 1412449074 784850 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: ie. when I wrote an esolang, I was mostly interested in writing something that would feel accurately awful to a certain point in time. < 1412449199 833892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much do you know z80 stuff? Do you know 6502 too? I do 6502 < 1412449255 497030 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about z80 so far < 1412449261 403767 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can golf in it on anagol < 1412449268 428122 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's sort of a motivation to learn it < 1412449270 779967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: Yes, I know that already < 1412449299 650673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, there is the NMOS 6502 and CMOS 6502, which have differences. I happen to like the NMOS 6502 instruction set, but it could probably be implemented in CMOS as well) < 1412449301 187145 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all the info links for z80 on anagol are 404 or dead < 1412449359 439908 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wp says 6502 has lots of undocumented opcodes < 1412449360 882526 :torchwood33!~io@37.77.122.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412449373 420138 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the hell would you not document opcodes for your processor if you're going to sell it < 1412449377 342376 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there are a lot, and I have used many of the stable ones < 1412449394 542479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: They were unintended, and are also NMOS only < 1412449436 560121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, LAX loads data into both the A and X registers. SAX stores the bitwise AND of the A and X registers. < 1412449525 866562 :torchwood33!~io@37.77.122.189 PART :#esoteric < 1412449536 519849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DCP is "decrement and compare". ANC is like AND immediate but also copies the high bit of the result into the carry flag. AXS and ARR are a bit strange. < 1412449584 915236 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: To elaborate on zzo38's explanation: the undocumented opcodes were just consequences of how the opcode decode circuitry worked. With unintended bit patterns they just activated random parts of the CPU. < 1412449600 409123 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which happened to do things that were a bit weird but useful. < 1412449620 337963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some are unstable though, and should not be used. < 1412449634 186554 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unstable? < 1412449638 539130 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't work all the time? < 1412449652 965055 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you might expect from "opcode decode circuitry triggering parts of the CPU with no design behind it". < 1412449666 498592 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: Or can get the CPU into odd states. < 1412449671 475931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they don't work all the time, and/or can cause the CPU to stop sometimes or all of the time. < 1412449693 274486 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.6502.org/source/games/uchess/uchess.htm <- impressing < 1412449724 437621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Many unofficial opcodes just stop the CPU until it is reset; not even IRQ and NMI will work until it is reset.) < 1412449809 819756 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sgeo/null-edit-detector&action=history < 1412449862 340895 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1412450024 215508 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet 16 < 1412450027 894582 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1412450028 558978 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1412450440 425267 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so... < 1412450445 634665 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an A and an X register < 1412450467 713734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't forget the Y. < 1412450470 903341 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a Y < 1412450486 716589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't forget the P and the S and the PC. < 1412450497 168554 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1412450497 932694 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1412450501 184247 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :P? is that the flags/condition code? < 1412450510 211142 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was called F < 1412450516 321247 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not unusual for Microprocessors to implicitly use accumulator a lot < 1412450537 492449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't know how it's called in the manual, I was just going from the naming of the PLP/PHP instructions. < 1412450544 170412 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :please < 1412450545 455599 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1412450546 431038 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1412450552 431478 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only correct thing to do with the accumulator is to increment it < 1412450555 868970 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call it F only because of z80 probably < 1412450567 154995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z80 does call it F. < 1412450579 768610 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but z80 has a very different set of flags and use for that register < 1412450589 652869 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1412450597 322720 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where 8086 has inherited it < 1412450677 877719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current Intel manuals call it EFLAGS/RFLAGS. < 1412450696 726813 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1412450709 963647 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's still the same as z80's flags register < 1412450717 411476 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only now it has a super useful overflow flag < 1412450729 739840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's the same as the Intel 8080 flag register. < 1412450747 13016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z80 is intentionally 8080-ish. < 1412450771 604846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having been designed by an ex-Intel employee who worked on the 8080. < 1412450787 302172 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 8086 doesn't give you direct access to the flags register < 1412450797 693756 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 8086 is intentionally z80-ish, and x86_32 is intentionally 8086ish, and x86_64 is intentionally x86_32-ish < 1412450800 351033 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1412450804 506713 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? it sure does < 1412450812 753321 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :8086 still has pushf and popf instructions < 1412450818 457388 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1412450823 889941 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not an "adressable" register < 1412450826 758079 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :only implicit < 1412450829 604617 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the obsolate SAHF and SALF < 1412450836 413219 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure < 1412450838 756408 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as z80 < 1412450848 272622 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it have to be "addressable"? it has fixed bits and stuff < 1412450848 450230 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you need opcodes for that < 1412450849 988620 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like CLC < 1412450865 572740 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: You can't set/clear or read flags nicely < 1412450869 873891 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than < 1412450871 112461 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :JIC foo < 1412450876 864665 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and CLC/STC < 1412450884 721174 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need extra instructions < 1412450889 411933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1412450894 572473 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of AND F, 011b < 1412450910 133333 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but no cpu has AND F, 011b, right < 1412450925 538975 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, maybe some of ARM does < 1412450936 530737 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan here's another 22 characters PATH, slightly modifying your submission: ``cd`c``@k````?:ird`|c < 1412450936 708657 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1412451014 130587 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: were you thinking of ARM or what? < 1412451080 4606 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: in z80, the eight addressable registers are A, B, C, D, E, L, H, and [LH] (replacable with [IX] and [IY] with a prefix) I think < 1412451089 981244 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 8-bit instructions < 1412451095 818134 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't access the flags register directly < 1412451408 509558 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always seen it denoted (hl). < 1412451415 721221 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably that < 1412451463 156331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the 16-bit load/arithmetic groups have two-bit encodings for the "registers" bc, de, hl and sp. < 1412451486 981470 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really programmed z80, I'm only interested because it explains so many things about x86 < 1412451498 453244 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, sp? are you sure < 1412451507 736216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I have the manual right here. < 1412451511 984008 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1412451593 2764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, you can also do quite a lot to "IXL"/"IXH" and "IYL"/"IYH" in an undocumented way by using 8-bit instructions that access H/L but prefixing the opcode prefix that the usual IX/IY instructions use. (Another unintended-but-logical consequence of opcode decoding circuitry design.) < 1412451619 551357 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1412451627 529036 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work? does it use the high or the low byte of IX? < 1412451656 363690 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1412451658 37437 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1412451659 356507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you access H, it'll use the high byte of IX, and if you access L, it'll use the low byte of IX. < 1412451664 528143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: In 6502, incrementing is one of the few things that the accumulator does not do. (You can SEC and ADC #0, but there is no "increment accumulator" instruction.) < 1412451667 449593 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't do that on x86 < 1412451673 313058 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1412451692 86655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no IX/IY on x86, at least ones that'd work like that. < 1412451709 529518 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think the SI and DI are the IX and IY on the x86, in some order < 1412451724 978117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, since they have numbers in the GPR encodings. < 1412451730 508651 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the BX of x86 is the LH of z80 < 1412451734 915216 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1412451750 120873 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the point about x86 was that any single z80 instruction can be mapped to a single x86 instruction < 1412451753 59835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Z80, you take something lke "LD HL, nn" and add a prefix byte to make it "LD IX, nn"/"LD IY, nn". < 1412451753 831340 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how they sold it < 1412451776 222184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it makes sense that the prefix bytes just pretty much tells the processor to "instead of HL, pipe in IX/IY". < 1412451784 626616 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why x86 has some of the crazier instructions like LAHF < 1412451793 512386 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412451806 627647 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know < 1412451844 878091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's the x86 equivalent to LD A, R? :) < 1412451846 728416 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that works for both 16 bit access of HL and for indirect access < 1412451869 591690 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: R? what's R? but the A register is equivalent to AL on x86 < 1412451877 48316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :R is the memory refresh register. < 1412451884 721681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the "random number if you're really lazy" register. < 1412451889 192800 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what... < 1412451908 598262 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1412451915 228372 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there even such an instruction? < 1412451923 935846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on x86, but yes on Z80. < 1412451938 323171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a memory refresh counter, it's seven lowest bits are automatically incremented after each instruction fetch. < 1412451941 318968 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, z80 can't have undocumented instructions, can it? all of the 256 instructions in its table are full, right? < 1412451959 585162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LD A, R" is not undocumented. < 1412451964 822007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think the table is full either. < 1412451969 870990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the tables with the prefix bytes. < 1412451975 743657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The single-byte opcode table might be. < 1412451979 40502 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one with prefix bytes isn't, yes < 1412451999 318670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the single-byte opcode table that's full, except maybe for one instruction that's in the place of LD [HL], [HL] < 1412452061 538540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Z80 CPU contains a memory refresh counter, enabling dynamic memories to be used with the same ease as static memories. Seven bits of this 8-bit register are automatically incremented after each instruction fetch. The eighth bit remains as programmed, resulting from an LD R, A instruction. The data in the refresh counter is sent out on the lower portion of the address bus along with a ... < 1412452067 522843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... refresh control signal while the CPU is decoding and executing the fetched instruction." < 1412452082 380227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea being that if you have some DRAM that needs a refresh signal, you don't have to add any hardware for it, you can get it out of the CPU for free. < 1412452095 810160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1412452105 70485 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1412452141 495080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a result, you can kinda-sorta use R for random numbers, if you call it at long-enough, unpredictable intervals. < 1412452171 517765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best TI-86 Befunge interpreter there is uses R to implement its ?, which makes the hunt-the-wumpus game sometimes fail in its maze-building many times in a row. < 1412452206 188618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure if it's because of the low-quality ? or just a peculiarity of the game. < 1412452285 501394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1412452291 446545 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I don't think x86 has that < 1412452299 127375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I haven't heared of such a thing < 1412452303 763456 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1412452410 451501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Z80 single-byte main instruction table is indeed full of documented instructions. < 1412452427 537676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that'd be "ld (hl), (hl)" logically is the "halt" instruction. < 1412452432 1997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1412452432 820174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1412452435 635603 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't remember that < 1412452463 343023 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which instructions are in the shifted table? the 16 bit ones and the shift/rotates? < 1412452552 920665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the "bit instructions" table with the CB prefix; that's shifts, rotates and set-bit instructions, and it's also entirely full except for the "shift left, logical" slot, which contains the undocumented "SLL"/"SL1" instruction that shifts left but fills with 1 instead of 0. < 1412452578 221901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's.... full? < 1412452579 520470 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1412452585 305519 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't remember that < 1412452585 590269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's the "extended instructions" (ED prefix) table, which is a lot less full. < 1412452597 205140 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor that there were two shifts < 1412452602 905811 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe < 1412452603 636630 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1412452608 661725 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok < 1412452633 94067 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how did they fill the shift/rotate table? < 1412452634 352373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the IX/IY prefixes (DD. FD) and the combined DDCB, FDCB for bit instructions involving IX/IY. < 1412452649 549450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of it is full of BIT/RES/SET instructions with different immediates. < 1412452655 780410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes 8 opcodes to cover 0..7. < 1412452660 5478 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1412452661 556897 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1412452687 320961 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that leaves 64, which is 8 kinds of shift times 8 registers? < 1412452715 494100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. rlc, rrc, rl, rr, sla, sra, srl and the "sll". < 1412452743 777969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are those all count 1 only? < 1412452756 506806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are there variable count shifts? < 1412452759 337182 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1412452765 146827 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :were they immediate counts? < 1412452767 33612 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember < 1412452772 505057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I don't think it can shift more than by 1. < 1412452780 584436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you count the rather funny RLD/RRD instructions. < 1412452792 464054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which rotate a group of three nybbles. < 1412452817 217416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The low nybble of A, and the two nybbles at the byte in memory pointed by hl. < 1412452854 723102 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand when a cpu doesn't want to implement variable shifts, but what's the point of an sla instruction that takes two bytes? can't you just add instead? I don't understand why the 6503 has a left shift either, even if it's a one byte encoding there. < 1412452868 508301 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is left shift so important to worth an instruction in such small instruction sets? < 1412452885 294220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't "add (hl), (hl)", at least. < 1412452931 993936 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you at least LD A, (HL); ADD A, (HL), LD (HL), A? < 1412452937 139265 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that's three bytes but still < 1412452951 151527 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is left shift so important if you don't have a multiply instruction? < 1412452952 929609 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1412453033 821160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you can't add to anything else than the accumulator, too, of course. So to replace the shift you'd need something like those three instructions even for "SLA r". < 1412453078 139007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for "SLA A", which is in fact slower than "ADD A, A". < 1412453079 233151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'll have to find a good z80 documentation, or find my own notes < 1412453088 167603 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you point me to one? < 1412453114 43712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always just used the official User Manual. < 1412453121 186344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PDF has a proper index and all. < 1412453127 605485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.zilog.com/manage_directlink.php?filepath=docs/z80/um0080 < 1412453162 112077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it does have a couple of typos in the instruction encodings, and it doesn't have a good opcode-ordered table. < 1412453170 240077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://clrhome.org/table/ for the latter. < 1412453205 450117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have a paper copy of the manual too, but I gave it away as a gift, if I recall correctly. < 1412453218 234339 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1412453240 247605 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a separate nop instruction encoded as 00? isn't ld b,b supposed to be doing that? < 1412453334 619192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see any obvious differences between "ld b,b", "ld c,c", ..., "ld a,a" and the official "nop". < 1412453350 758435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all take the same amount of time, too. < 1412453353 493490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1412453372 37983 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop instructions are useful, and I like them < 1412453380 772754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't see why there's an extra if ld b,b already works < 1412453393 131077 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it matters < 1412453439 781079 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1412453448 935612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The table I linked to has the undocumented-but-"well-known" instructions marked in red. < 1412453458 283994 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1412453511 656427 :J_Arcane2!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1412453516 797856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can "inc ixl" or so on, which might be useful if you wanted, say, a 256-byte circular buffer that's 256-byte aligned. < 1412453578 385316 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1412453715 366344 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1412453913 464117 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1412454136 946497 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1412454158 969155 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1412454332 517093 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1412454698 962280 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sroowudspmxlmejb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1412455045 859639 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1412455251 741470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at Wolfram Research being "hip" and "with it": https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20141004-ad.png < 1412455301 331742 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm convinced < 1412455323 620379 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hah aha hah that would've been so cool in 2003 ... < 1412455349 378771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it's "ironic" now. < 1412455353 711885 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all your base are belong to us. mathematica now with base conversion support < 1412455475 586469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no AYBABTU joke if I do "?BaseForm" in Mathematica 10.0. < 1412455493 781883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe they've added that in 10.0.1, our systems don't seem updated yet. < 1412455500 323103 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've literally never seen that initialism ever < 1412456091 598092 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipédia says it's common. maybe it's another fnord planted by our Evil Fungottian Overlords? < 1412456131 695182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Any comments? < 1412456132 100761 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: madam president, commissioner, it would seem that the office is part of a political prisoner to die on hunger strike in protest against the government's crackdown on the group. < 1412456146 847343 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds radical. < 1412456207 351744 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you use the undocumented opcodes of z80? how about the R (memory refresh) register? < 1412456208 294674 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: madam president, my aim is to create a new world order, first envisaged at the moment and its fnord successor to a fundamental system change for the small business has got over the start-up problem and shown some success in this work: the defence of human rights, democratic principles and human rights, and that the ecu 1 billion decrease in the number of those who have made a proposal concerning a special social vat on < 1412456243 203660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're not supposed to just come out and *say* you're going to create a new world order. < 1412456243 410978 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think that is the only company that we have dealt with there has been much talk in the council. < 1412456395 373174 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1412456429 390145 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412456570 353449 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1412456714 811770 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1412456735 738459 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1412456763 390453 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1412457045 374942 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412458447 830842 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1412458452 160876 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do on a saturn's day? < 1412458722 38665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's TOO LATE for that, it's already sun-dae. < 1412458797 600220 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sun dae is kim jong's wife? < 1412458978 279941 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it may be sun-dae in the White City, but here in the land of the free, there's all of saturdy night to go! < 1412459038 333416 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.82.218 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1412459208 388470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1412459410 297210 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1412459433 131959 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1412459477 485650 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1412459608 272468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1412459631 579706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : aww, too bad that oerjan isn't here to marvel at the balanced parentheses right next to the term "imbalance". <-- by the powers of LOG i marvel < 1412459690 854093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1412459691 70709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 2h 25m 54s ago: here's another 22 characters PATH, slightly modifying your submission: ``cd`c``@k````?:ird`|c < 1412460245 257476 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PSEUDOMONAS CHICKEN < 1412460505 117800 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, what language is that in? it looks like unlambda < 1412460552 241651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1412460575 482005 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, but what does the colon do in unlambda? let me pull up a reference < 1412460589 292892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing alone < 1412460594 289112 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's a character quoted by the question mark < 1412460597 506488 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for testing the last input < 1412460598 35768 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1412460606 41632 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda has strange procedural input functions < 1412460623 191076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me pull up a reference < 1412460658 935938 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412460666 151001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sent an unlambda answer to http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?PATH , then int-e beat me. < 1412460670 647118 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, @ reads a character and then ?: tests it < 1412460677 244169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now he's even improved on my solution. < 1412460793 112028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that problem seems to have a really canonical answer in haskell. all the solutions are minor variations, some are entirely identical. < 1412460831 955577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the one i found but didn't bother to submit is identical to int-e's.) < 1412460843 29938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because we both prefer one-liners. < 1412460885 20066 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny how much quieter the city is during the night compared to the day < 1412460886 363911 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it < 1412460893 403581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1412461324 385320 :augur!~augur@73.163.157.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412461551 940957 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.17 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1412461556 900383 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1412462184 517677 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.89.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412462318 363669 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1412462780 796639 :augur!~augur@73.163.157.101 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1412462871 689539 :augur!~augur@73.163.157.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412464472 422484 :augur!~augur@73.163.157.101 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1412466218 273926 :augur!~augur@73.163.157.101 JOIN :#esoteric