< 1415145753 702726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Someone please create a type theory that only describes functions whose output length is at most a polynomial function of the input length. <-- there are type theories capturing PTIME and (iirc) LOGSPACE, search for bellantoni-cook < 1415145762 369171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure i've mentioned this before < 1415145780 760841 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1415145824 603471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed that in MinGW, time_t is 32-bits and __time64_t is 64-bits. Is there a good way to get 64-bit UNIX timestamps regardless of the system? < 1415145962 151759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also also, our stuff (including those discussed com-puters) will be shipped probably somewhen in February, since we need to find some permanent place to live first. < 1415145970 583146 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1415146018 518844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good thing Turing was curious about finding a way to pute coms, or the world today would be so different. < 1415146033 945432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, right, you did mention london though. thanks for ruining my joke. < 1415146049 332429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could argue that hexham is just a really, really far out suburb of london. < 1415146139 824926 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dose.com/lists/3339/19-iPhone-Tricks-And-Tips-Apple-Doesn-t-Want-You-To-Know-7-Just-Made-My-Life < 1415146162 14067 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't having 'hidden'/undiscoverable features exactly antithetical to good UI design? < 1415146269 157196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: We've been talking about visiting Hexham (just, you know, for general tourism), you've made it sound so exciting. < 1415146298 891209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm... really not sure I'd recommend that. < 1415146307 633634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so underwhelming. < 1415146312 368355 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking of visiting Norway. Or Alaska. Or someplace, far up north. Even though I hate the cold < 1415146343 279206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered the Lake District or something instead? :p < 1415146378 865900 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could take a vacation there for a few years hoping to see a light show < 1415146395 496085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We went to Lofoten (in Norway) one Easter (last? the one before?) and it was a nice trip. < 1415146402 649174 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1415146406 162576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also not especially cold there. < 1415146420 462243 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is looking to see the northern lights
< 1415146446 760932 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norway is nice. it has oerjans. < 1415146464 616047 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: surprising UI features are evil. < 1415146492 92863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/0886868715/mountain-magic-shooting-in-the-lofoten-islands <- that's pretty much from where we were. < 1415146548 954624 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1415146641 641175 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Lofoten Islands are a stormy destination, to put it nicely. On average, I generally estimate there to be one clear day/night per week. So if you only have a single week in hopes of seeing the Northern Lights, you are taking a chance with the weather cooperating. In this short time period you’re much better off heading east to Sweden and a place like Abisko, which enjoys many more clear winter nights than Lofoten." < 1415146666 176089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it might not be the best place for that particular goal. < 1415146671 248677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't quite remember if we saw any auroras. < 1415146702 351474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coastal climates do tend to have clouds. < 1415146711 839622 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should figure out if I can vote < 1415146761 854846 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is guessing not... what counts as 'moving' in election law?
< 1415146791 140552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear election laws in the US vary by state < 1415146846 990891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in chicago you don't even need to be alive to vote < 1415147001 584467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that there's a recent uproar because some places have started require actually showing id to vote, which it is claimed discriminates against african-americans. < 1415147022 451945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it made more sense in context) < 1415147041 831539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of thing also tends to be a pain for married women, right < 1415147061 802526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i don't think i get the reference < 1415147067 141467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since surname changes that people don't necessarily bother to propagate to all their legal documents. < 1415147068 554759 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had interesting cases of cats and potted plants voting in some recent elections. < 1415147077 561304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1415147113 186628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, married people in general, but the most common case) < 1415147187 216699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in norway it's really pretty simple, there's a national register of all citizens and when you vote you're crossed off on the list in your municipality. also you must show generally show id, i'm not sure if you're still allowed not to if the vote taker knows you personally. < 1415147200 57104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*list for < 1415147241 909149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI, "honeymoon" trips are often complicated by passport-and-surname-related irregularities. < 1415147256 601171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you don't register to vote, the government sends you a note to remind you if you're allowed. it also simplifies the process if you bring that note, but that's not mandatory. < 1415147333 73800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you're paranoid the local list of voters is displayed in public, so you can go downtown to check if you're in the list. < 1415147353 618710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i suppose if you're paranoid you may or may not think that's a good thing.) < 1415147355 333504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we need mumble mumble PGP keys mumble mumble mumble secret voting mumble cryptography mumble < 1415147407 771173 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm all for rampant cryptography and privacy, but GPG is borken beyond all fungottable repair. < 1415147408 266457 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: " i ca'n't see anything at present. all in good time." " all fnord tell lies." < 1415147426 825465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, when foreign observers observe our votes they complain that the process is too trusting of people, but conclude that it probably works well enough in practice < 1415147504 552752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*our voting < 1415147524 450515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ca'n't" < 1415147563 845101 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a Klingon word. (at least I think so.) < 1415147579 368504 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember in the referendum, you just said who you were on the electoral register < 1415147601 351832 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :like there wasn't anything to keep me from going to a different polling station and voting again as someone else < 1415147618 314708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: did you get to vote? i thought you'd moved outside scotland. < 1415147628 431152 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was home for the summer then < 1415147718 676096 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's pretty normal to keep your official residence the same because of how volatile university housing is < 1415147832 980189 :Guest48077!~canaima@190.78.4.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415147861 542848 :Guest48077!~canaima@190.78.4.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1415147895 837850 :Guest48077!~canaima@190.78.4.110 PART :#esoteric < 1415147922 870656 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.75.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss Guest48077. < 1415147929 615308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did Wikipedia break? < 1415147975 148320 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipédia broke? < 1415148011 678557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn we didn't get to ask how they found us < 1415148026 871986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to properly `bienvenido them < 1415148043 932749 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.75.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bienvenido? < 1415148055 517338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any other channels get these canaima users? < 1415148062 697461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido AndoDaan_ < 1415148063 438530 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan_: ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.) < 1415148078 142093 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.75.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's a proper welcome. < 1415148086 865146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan_: we get so many bewildered venezuelans that we had to make that < 1415148102 319705 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.75.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why venezuelans? < 1415148104 863467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: None of mine, at least. < 1415148109 552339 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :colombians too, mind you. < 1415148129 139751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan_: that's what we want to ask them. well, they seem to use the canaima linux distribution. < 1415148143 28782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's _probably_ somewhere in that. < 1415148152 654160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works now < 1415148164 33813 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.75.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting puzzle. < 1415148214 900952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :canaima is _mainly_ used in venezuela where it was invented, but presumably also in some neighboring countries. < 1415148932 368010 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Subleq14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40779&oldid=36583 5* 03128.100.122.180 5* (+288) 10/* Basic */ < 1415148988 731865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bewildered Venezuelans is a good band name < 1415149412 940176 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out I can vote < 1415149562 278867 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CONSTANT CHICKEN < 1415149767 230534 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yey < 1415149834 138453 :vyv_!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1175983466.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1415149913 521667 :vyv!~vyv@bas1-northbay04-1176387495.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1415150083 426772 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"McMahon said it is unwise to issue bonds to purchase high-tech equipment that will become obsolete with new technological advances, often within a period of a few years." < 1415150100 295392 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or does even computing equipment remain usable for a few years < 1415150246 337829 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.75.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on a laptop half a decade old, surfing the internet via a tethered cellphone... < 1415150249 838368 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.75.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is good. < 1415150281 584481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obsolete doesn't mean doesn't work < 1415150307 332688 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heading out to the polls >.> < 1415150335 935728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1415151526 704835 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.75.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1415151959 667539 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1415152072 646455 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415152073 410178 :yukko!~yukko@unaffiliated/yukko PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think things moved a bit faster in the 90's/early 2000's so "obsolete within a few years" isn't too far off for some eras < 1415152144 444071 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1415152402 129062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like computer obsolescence was accelerating up to the late 2000s-ish. < 1415152515 906542 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is what I did any different from voting a straight ticket? I left some blank if my hasty Wikipedia'ing didn't give any information, but the ones I voted for were all the same party < 1415152570 732810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1415152574 150097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome yukko < 1415152574 927111 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09yukko: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06irc.dal.net.) < 1415152602 38844 :yukko!~yukko@unaffiliated/yukko PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww thank you :) < 1415152610 367735 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rainbow welcome. < 1415152610 627348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1415152610 653758 NAMES :#esoteric < 1415152625 44892 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`selcome AndoDaan < 1415152625 667936 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: selcome: not found < 1415152634 454573 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth a shot. < 1415152755 554491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or should that be `selamatpagi) < 1415152877 603803 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1415153019 86077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee! < 1415153031 694330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles evilly
< 1415153040 897926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thank you, I'm here all week.) < 1415153090 945282 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it at all < 1415153164 701370 :yukko!~yukko@unaffiliated/yukko PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott hehe < 1415154619 719199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1415154653 415428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: bad nichijou joke. nichijoke < 1415154670 72538 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese comedy manga? < 1415154672 871024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nietzschejoke < 1415155595 669867 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`selamatjalan < 1415155596 163670 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: selamatjalan: not found < 1415155640 362835 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are those words? < 1415155657 973137 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not german. < 1415155824 817943 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1415155973 599239 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Malay? < 1415155989 241103 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1415156063 807219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1415156327 413024 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, okay. thanks. < 1415156805 687946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to convert between Gregorian dates and UNIX timestamp (without using date/time library functions)? < 1415157908 902529 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start by dividing the timestamp by 86400; that's your day number. < 1415157940 158821 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, uh... < 1415157973 905441 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Converting from date to timestamp is easier, I think. < 1415158107 878603 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just loop through the years starting from 1970, subtracting the appropriate number of days for each year you go through. < 1415158137 937601 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then doing the conversion could end up taking several microseconds. < 1415158301 245507 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or sump'm. < 1415158323 443492 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rienvenido HackEgo < 1415158323 923216 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: rienvenido: not found < 1415158333 741295 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat `which relcome` < 1415158334 349398 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ welcome "$@" | rainwords < 1415158362 312011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I already got division by 86400; that might I already did before I have asked < 1415158391 77319 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which relcome < 1415158391 583505 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/relcome < 1415158398 971742 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '#!/bin/sh\nbienvenido "$@" | rainwords' > /hackenv/bin/rienvenido < 1415158400 392845 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1415158405 555859 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rienvenido HackEgo < 1415158406 30850 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/rienvenido: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/rienvenido: cannot execute: Permission denied < 1415158416 850223 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x /hackenv/bin/rienvenido < 1415158419 624965 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1415158419 829310 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rienvenido HackEgo < 1415158420 552193 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08HackEgo: 09¡Bienvenido 02al 06centro 13internacional 04para 07el 08diseño 09y 02despliegue 06de 13lenguajes 04de 07programación 08esotéricos! 09Por 02desgracia, 06la 13mayoría 04de 07nosotros 08no 09hablamos 02español. 06Para 13obtener 04más 07información, 08echa 09un 02vistazo 06a 13nuestro 04wiki: 0 < 1415158514 940654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't need any dates before 1980, though; I do need to be able to calculate dates much farther into the future, though) < 1415158534 327199 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme think. < 1415158545 366998 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want to get an accurate year number. < 1415158591 331070 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 400-year period always contains 146097 days. < 1415158647 993634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and also month and day. I do know how leap years are working. Leap seconds are irrelevant for UNIX timestamps, although perhaps if the program uses the current time for anything, if the current time is a leap second then it should sleep until it is not a leap second anymore. < 1415158659 184268 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you want to take your day number and divide it by the average number of days in a year, which is to say, you want to multiply it by 400 and then divide it by 146097. < 1415158698 837517 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which will give you a year number which is accurate to within a couple of days at worst. < 1415158724 769184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Within a couple of days, is not good enough. < 1415158729 442634 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the day is close to a year boundary, you can always use your year number to calculate the number of leap days that have happened. < 1415158755 668328 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you can use that number to correct your year number. < 1415158757 953236 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. < 1415158770 815796 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like this problem ought to be easier than this. < 1415158798 646973 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, you'll probably need a function that takes a year and returns the number of leap years between 1970 and the end year. < 1415158889 167759 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By taking the day number and multiplying and dividing, you can come up with an approximate year number. You can use the approximate year number and your leap year counting function to come up with an exact day offset from the beginning of the year. < 1415158927 55544 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the day offset is negative, subtract a year and add 365 or 366 to the day offset. < 1415160187 836261 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1415160394 449932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is y/4-y/100+y/400-477 correct (if y is an integer type)? < 1415160479 451796 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do milleniums influence if it's a leapyear or not? < 1415160498 924028 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To google! < 1415160541 460521 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1415160976 700403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, only 4, 100, and 400. < 1415161238 657783 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't forget to extrapolate leap seconds < 1415161277 256824 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the future calendar reforms < 1415161309 576555 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ok, we're still converting Gregorian. < 1415161328 518354 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Gregor knows something about this. < 1415161413 47776 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determination_of_the_day_of_the_week#Implementation-dependent_methods_of_Sakamoto.2C_Lachman.2C_Keith_and_Craver < 1415161446 306720 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a day-of-the-week function, but without `%7` that can be used as a timestamp conversion (with a different epoch though) < 1415161731 501483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leap seconds are irrelevant to UNIX time, from what Wikipedia says; you can treat any dates as if there aren't any leap seconds. < 1415161770 515609 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: O, it has the same "y/4-y/100+y/400" as I used. < 1415161857 642233 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1415161860 75884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That algorithm isn't actually quite right if you want the full timestamp; it misses many things. < 1415161882 553777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I figured out how to convert from Gregorian to UNIX; it is other way around I wanted, now. < 1415161918 779781 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1415162142 815298 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: http://ptspts.blogspot.be/2009/11/how-to-convert-unix-timestamp-to-civil.html < 1415162172 150394 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tested it in lua, and with a little rounding, it looks good. < 1415162231 372379 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exmp < 1415162231 723057 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1415162199 < 1415162232 168224 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014.6836474807 2.9900656841393 2.2204460492503e-015 4.6108333333333 36.65 39 < 1415162248 450620 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1415162283 943975 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014.6836474807 2.9900656841393 2.2204460492503e-01 4.6108333333333 36.65 39 < 1415162380 385229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To convert into UNIX timestamps, this is the algorithm I used and it appears to be working: http://sprunge.us/ZTZX < 1415162539 826174 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, well done everybody. < 1415162635 362693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says that program you link to is only for Ruby, and won't work on other programming language due to rounding negative divisions. < 1415162690 272831 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... no well done for me then. < 1415164233 821387 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1415165518 453942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think I figured it out now. < 1415165564 456111 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any 'trick' to it? < 1415165801 553180 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does YouTube show me a survey asking what ads I've seen recently? Does it not track that information? Or do they want to know what I recall seeing, not what's been presented? (I guess that's rather likely) < 1415166725 449152 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1415167467 814899 :password2!~password@197.76.153.96 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1415167783 312906 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: http://sprunge.us/cVGF (it isn't particularly good, though, but it is more than good enough) < 1415167976 720927 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't return if it's Easter or not... 2/10 < 1415168041 468910 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kid. seem pretty straight forward. < 1415168088 324378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know it doesn't say if it is Easter, but that is not relevant here. (I did write a program in TeX to calculate when is Easter, though.) < 1415168093 863423 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, i didn't think about the need to index the days of the months. < 1415168118 475200 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear Easter is a bitch. < 1415168136 830628 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to calculate, mean. < 1415168188 452507 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely remember easter days forming a diamond pattern. < 1415168189 30498 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computus#Gauss_algorithm < 1415168297 332090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The official algorithm used by the Church is a bit complicated but there are ones that are simpler. < 1415168404 23876 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easter calculation in TeX: http://sprunge.us/bWhX < 1415168413 933902 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems random to me. they should have just set a day "x-mas" style. < 1415168460 187425 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proposal has been made... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_of_the_date_of_Easter < 1415168466 668178 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...several times < 1415168509 993327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX wasn't really designed to calculate when is Easter, but it also wasn't designed to play chess or to interpret BASIC (both of which have been done). < 1415168582 415103 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Another proposal is astronomical method, which is a method I have proposed once. < 1415168825 77458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I would be interested in is if in a program like Astrolog you could also input queries such as ">> Sun at 0 Aries >> Sun opposite Moon >> Sunday" and have it figure out exactly when that is (and plot a horoscope for that date/time if requested)! < 1415168921 713612 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. with the earth wobbles and such. < 1415168972 226280 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently nobody has been born under their designated starsign for 3000 years. years < 1415169001 465495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: That isn't quite right. People are confusing signs with constellations having the same (or similar) names. < 1415169017 764659 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the zodiac. < 1415169047 640272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Signs are all 30 degrees and there are twelve; they are a unit of measurement for ecliptic longitude. Constellations all have different sizes and aren't a measurement of ecliptic longitude or anything like that. < 1415169110 566738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the "Tropic of Cancer" and "Tropic of Capricorn"? The "Cancer" and "Capricorn" mentioned are the signs, not the constellations. (Also, the constellation is actually called "Capricornus" and not "Capricorn"; the sign is "Capricorn".) < 1415169185 20234 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know those lines on the globe. i can see how they relate to zodiac. < 1415169443 353781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many people don't know that they are related to signs and not constellations. Some astronomers wanted to rename them, but they are just confusing signs with constellations. < 1415169486 918339 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly was confused - in error - about it. < 1415169504 225697 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now you know! < 1415169515 586852 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean i never gave it much thought, but i just assumed. < 1415169632 830109 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. :) (i've said "nobody is born under their star sign" a number of times before, arguing about astrology.) < 1415169650 534280 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't do that anymore. < 1415169669 88538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now hopefully you can stop making bad arguments against astrology, and perhaps learn to make better arguments against astrology!! < 1415169711 399897 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very true. < 1415169746 286153 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just quit arguing all together. < 1415169794 611371 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and realize that I'm as proned to be wrong as anyone else. < 1415169842 92235 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as some portion of anyone else. < 1415170127 576299 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favourite argument is that a nurse helping to deliver a baby exerts a greater gravitational force on the baby than those stars (except the Sun) < 1415170216 270391 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, int-e... a lot of people felt 'floaty' when last there was a Super Moon < 1415170232 3477 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the moon is not a star. < 1415170259 315659 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so think how much bigger stars on than the Moon! < 1415170273 207718 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how much further away < 1415170292 948868 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the inverse square law is a quite powerful force diminisher < 1415170299 118057 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, inverse square law is overrated < 1415170344 934829 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, astrology came before Newton, right? < 1415170353 425240 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no doubt < 1415170358 874936 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and I think even Newton studied it. < 1415170381 817169 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even doubt that astrology works, among people who believe in it. < 1415170419 986009 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's a matter of psychology. < 1415170441 614745 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard (probably said of astrology) that the stars to not compel, but only incline. I would say they only suggest, and even then only because people make it to do so! But you mustn't underestimate the forces of suggestion. < 1415170444 587076 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, Astrologer wouldn't attribute whatever influence celstial have to gravity. < 1415170456 896064 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :celestial bodies*\ < 1415170498 361729 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you read your horoscope every day then that will have some effect on your life. < 1415170518 879706 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the best Astrologers, like the best palm readers, are the best cold readers. < 1415170542 126560 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true enough. < 1415170607 682021 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then again, it's a certain type of person that would be inclind to read their horoscope every day. < 1415170607 877183 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to statically link rustc so I could use it as a library? < 1415170608 61049 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I could do something like that with Haskell and GHC, right? < 1415170617 681931 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let i=tail.scanl(flip(:))[] in i"abcd">>=i < 1415170619 594778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["a","b","ab","c","bc","abc","d","cd","bcd","abcd"] < 1415170681 398760 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...And here I am arguing Astrology again, when I just said, on record, that I was quiting it. < 1415170691 416503 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting now. < 1415170696 679427 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, as you can see, we can all make mistakes! < 1415170705 326162 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1415170950 699562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The horoscopes in the newspapers aren't even quite correct. To be correct, the date would vary a bit each year (for a similar reason to why we have leap years), and also the time of day. The Sun's ecliptic longitude will be at exactly "0 Aries" when it is the spring equinox in the northern hemisphere. When this happens varies by year; also it happens at a certain time of day. (Wikipedia has a list.) < 1415170961 678216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the actual dates listed in the newspaper horoscopes are only approximate. < 1415171099 879324 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has nothing to do with the text of the horoscopes, however; only the dates. < 1415171683 889710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :About "My favourite argument is that a nurse helping to deliver a baby exerts a greater gravitational force on the baby than those stars (except the Sun)", well, the fixed stars normally are not even used in a horoscope. The planets in our solar system, as well as the sun and moon, are used. (The Earth is the center of measurement, so it has no spherical coordinates, and is therefore not included.) If you mean planets, you are right about that, tho < 1415171957 142847 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely read the newspaper horoscope myself, but when I do I read all of it instead of just one. Reading just one is sort of like reading only the thirteenth chapter in a novel which contains twenty-five chapters in total. < 1415172063 315209 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're mostly Barnam statemts. Vague stuff that can apply to nearly anyone. < 1415172108 197607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I am aware of that. < 1415172149 638540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone else I know who sometimes reads them, told me that the people who write those kind of vague stuff are the people that are good at it; it takes some skill to write in the way they do. (I don't know if it is true or not.) < 1415172220 490921 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could see that being true. < 1415172292 232770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same person was confused about what his Sun sign was; he was merely curious about it. What I found, when I put it into the computer, is that I did not have enough information, since the Sun moved from one sign to the next on the day he was born, so I would need the time of his birth too in order to be accurate. So he generally just guesses, and we both agree that it doesn't really matter for that purpose. < 1415172620 53952 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's like, professional Astrology software out there. < 1415172666 170154 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, made by believers for believers. And with all the care any business should have. < 1415172758 271122 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably one of my dumber wonders. there's even a websit dedicated to reviewing astrology software. < 1415172760 469218 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There certainly is astrology software out there; I use one called Astrolog. They are generally very good at doing astronomical calculations; it doesn't matter if you believe in it or not. (Some astronomers, in fact, use it too; together with more proper astronomical software packages. Some people, including myself, would like to be able to combine the features, in order to make it more useful.) < 1415172780 319892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note also that Astrolog does not cost anything to get.) < 1415172843 482410 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is easy to see on there, what is the exact time of the full moon, because the aspect line crosses the center of the horoscope, which is clearly marked. < 1415172933 287789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have even been able to use the "ephemeris chart" mode in order to calcuate when is Chinese New Year. < 1415172956 750851 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ephemeris? < 1415172987 340451 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "ephemeris chart" mode in Astrolog is a plot of time on the vertical axis and ecliptic longitude on the horizontal axis. < 1415173023 524912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generally, it displays one month at a time. You can select which objects to plot and which to ignore. (For the purpose of Chinese New Year, only the Sun and Moon are important.) < 1415173074 840055 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really should know all this already. (Would you believe I use to be president of my local youths astronomy club) < 1415173145 199142 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( just means you have a big mouth ) < 1415173148 304551 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1415173212 862907 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can come out. It was truer then than it is now. < 1415173268 819991 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still pretty true sometimes though. :p < 1415173299 963918 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astrolog has other features too, such as a "timed exposure" mode, which causes it to not clear the screen before redrawing it. There is also a setting for "harmonic factor", which multiplies all ecliptic longitudes by the number specified (an integer from 1 to 30000; it is 1 by default). < 1415173319 346570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used both of these things, but haven't used any harmonic factors larger than 2. < 1415173331 837551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In fact, I have used these features together.) < 1415173392 31330 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I used these two features together with a third one; the option to change what colors are used for various purposes in the program. < 1415173418 778143 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To what end? < 1415173526 515563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what I was calculating, but it involved the full moon, which was why this became useful. < 1415173682 538417 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the harmonic factor is set to 2, then the lines for the Sun and Moon cross both for the full moon and for the new moon. < 1415173703 923122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, astrologers generally use harmonic factors for an entirely different purpose than I used them for, while astronomers don't generally use harmonic factors at all. < 1415173731 633552 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this shows the flexibility of use of such computer software! < 1415173749 182600 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a workhorse. < 1415173773 651689 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it still being maintained? < 1415173790 812093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1415173794 798407 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading "top 5 astrology softwar 1999" < 1415173825 215891 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, i guess, there would be much need to update it. < 1415173859 488810 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :physics doesn't change, and if the graphics are good enough, than the graphics is good enough. < 1415173946 871627 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1415174337 911062 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might need to download new ephemeris data (although this is unlikely), but even if you do, it is the JPL ephemeris, which is made by NASA and is independent of the software (a lot of software with astronomical calculations uses the JPL ephemeris). < 1415174466 962838 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, even my "physics doesn't change" line demostrated a lack of understanding what's involved. < 1415174471 964805 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up. < 1415174608 36489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless it is very unlikely that new ephemeris data will be needed unless you want to calculate positions for the far past or future. But it isn't completely impossible. < 1415174624 263985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Extremely unlikely, I should say, perhaps.) < 1415175121 536609 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I haven't used astronomical software on my own computer, but I have accessed online websites running simple astronomical software to compute sunrise and sunset times and moon phases. < 1415175201 578878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ever wanted to compute sunrise/sunset/noon times or moon phases automatically, I would get some software for it. < 1415175213 952667 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't much care about astrology though. < 1415175348 962164 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically, if nethack counts then I have ran astronomical software of course.) < 1415175442 552508 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course, sunrises and moon phases can be approximated by very simple approximations during the surrounding few millenia, so it's nothing really complicated. < 1415175484 828658 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eclipses and phases of Venus might also be relevant without astrology. < 1415175682 935850 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the positions of the Sun and Moon on the sky too. < 1415175738 138907 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1415175957 952921 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I was thinking if a software like Astrolog could include a search function that you can type in such queries like: locate Jerusalem; January 1, [Year?] >> Sun at 0 Aries >> Sun opposite Moon >> Sunday; and then if you run this query, it ask you what year you want and tell you the astronomical reform for when is Easter. < 1415176133 915238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like these kind of format? < 1415176586 46049 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it an EDSL in Haskell and you got a deal. < 1415176655 297177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose something like that could be made as an EDSL in Haskell, but I haven't been able to find any ephemeris software for Haskell! (I have found messages about people wanting to port Swiss Ephemeris, which is the same software I was thinking of too.) < 1415176996 787151 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. blsq doesn't have any date routines :) < 1415177000 943424 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's bad. < 1415177043 872611 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, we need an irc bot that can tell where the Sun and Moon are for people typing on smartphones in windowless cubicles < 1415177163 739936 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try to instead install ephemeris software onto the smartphones? < 1415177252 808046 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then it work without needing the internet connection. < 1415177270 566351 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah... do smartphones these days even have accurate clocks? < 1415177352 323985 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that required for GPS anyway? < 1415177423 637948 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: oh, right, I guess if you have GPS signal and a GPS reciever you can get the tiem from that < 1415177429 869746 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shows how I'm not a smartphone user < 1415177652 41297 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Go use some smartphones! < 1415177673 34518 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've heard they're really big now. < 1415177766 327716 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, no sorry, I won't yet. < 1415177971 880418 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smartphones are pretty cheap fwaiw. < 1415177975 911826 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fwiw < 1415177993 743302 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :130 CHF and you can get an android smartphone :) < 1415178004 399756 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just went into the shop and bought the cheapest phone I could find) < 1415178055 993199 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vuracywfjveyrzdo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1415178070 64858 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1415178605 881353 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a portable way to make a C program to sleep for one second including on Windows? < 1415178615 669511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Other than making a loop) < 1415178734 916481 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnu libc has sleep < 1415178811 607952 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's probably not very portable :) < 1415178887 65432 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think you intend on using GLib < 1415178997 565602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using MinGW, but I intend to work in Linux and other systems too. < 1415179281 972557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that unistd.h in MinGW declares usleep. < 1415179365 46798 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but unistd isn't that portable either < 1415179384 60943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, it isn't listed in The Open Group specifications. < 1415179408 840112 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unistd.h has sleep < 1415179424 864403 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which takes an unsigned int seconds < 1415179428 606884 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Pietu199814]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40780 5* 03Pietu1998 5* (+115) 10Created page with "Random hobby programmer. Created [[Lenguage]]. More [http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/30164/pietu1998 here]." < 1415179754 252838 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1415179787 222175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MinGW doesn't seem to have it, though. < 1415180005 884269 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu? < 1415180021 320587 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/7908799/xsh/sleep.html < 1415180798 825601 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lenguage14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40781&oldid=40703 5* 03Pietu1998 5* (+169) 10added command table from [[Binaryfuck]] < 1415181077 39702 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuckiest brainfuck fuckiest fuck fuck < 1415181080 682555 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what was that called again < 1415181114 927105 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Most ever Brainfuckiest Fuck you Brain fucker Fuck" < 1415181196 198015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless I did not find sleep() in MinGW header files. < 1415181316 969908 :impomatic_!~digital_w@87.112.74.32 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1415181784 922938 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morning < 1415181819 595978 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, said length is converted to binary, left-padded by zeroes to a multiple of 3 < 1415181822 613687 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1415181827 161079 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 1b isn't a multiple of 3 < 1415181836 282469 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I left pad it with zeroes until it is a multiple of 3? < 1415181875 427730 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's going to take a while. < 1415181884 281961 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i'll be back soon* < 1415181978 318002 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Can't talk. Need to prepend zeroes. < 1415182455 777301 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gray Snail14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40782&oldid=30483 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (-6) 10fixed link < 1415182824 314604 :vifino!me@vifino.cc JOIN :#esoteric < 1415182839 132365 :vifino!me@vifino.cc QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1415184410 161363 :MickNartin!321a80dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.26.128.221 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415184835 847934 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran out of memory :( < 1415185037 488519 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1415185684 99499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415185933 374685 :bart1!~canaima@190.77.33.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415186227 648186 :bart1!~canaima@190.77.33.114 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1415186974 979078 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415188475 155259 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the todo list for blsq is getting bigger and bigger :( < 1415190156 555845 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: UN CHICKEN ANDALOU < 1415190629 452307 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.92.91 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1415191589 198500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1415191818 121407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn int-e must have guessed what i did, although not entirely < 1415191840 788914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he also changed to a slow solution) < 1415191874 800117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: lunch < 1415192103 605579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm bin/rienvenido #It's too long for extra color codes < 1415192106 155118 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1415192556 848705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lenguage seems to be one of those unary-brainfucks where you can't start a program with +s. < 1415192567 619962 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.64.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415193245 681481 :CADD!~aistis@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415193249 704285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it refers to binaryfuck, which uses an initial 1 < 1415193257 367953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ^ < 1415193312 308533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the implementation may or not be consistent with that. < 1415193456 395569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, this means that for both binaryfuck and unary, there are programs not corresponding to a legal brainfuck program... < 1415193561 182834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary = bin(total)[2:] < 1415193568 583528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it excludes something < 1415193577 246848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python print "test" < 1415193577 798736 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :python: can't open file 'print "test"': [Errno 2] No such file or directory < 1415193593 419895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python -c 'print "test"' < 1415193593 907086 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1415193600 60269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python -c 'print "test"[2:]' < 1415193600 546183 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :st < 1415193618 324966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python -c 'print bin(15)' < 1415193618 890829 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0b1111 < 1415193633 703037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it only skips the 0b < 1415193643 405595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no initial 1 < 1415193808 650063 :CADD!~aistis@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1415194011 352897 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415194080 272263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415194127 338564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well. It says "evaluated like binaryfuck", but I took that to mean just the way the groups of 3 are evaluated. I don't know why, since it could as easily have meant the result needs to include the initial 1. < 1415194140 59856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I didn't look at the reference implementation.) < 1415194208 160276 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Client Quit < 1415194222 313015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably because "left-padded by zeroes to a multiple of 3, and then evaluated like Binaryfuck" sounds like it could never result in a legal Binaryfuck program. < 1415194224 144057 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415194307 392228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1415194381 412989 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.67.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415194385 292198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall some discussion about a practical enumeration of brainfuck programs that would only include balanced []s. < 1415194411 123157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't remember if that ended up in anything. < 1415194440 53331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we tried to construct a bijection between naturals and well-formed brainfuck, yeah < 1415194485 654441 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.64.58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1415194510 335374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we certainly got to a conceptual solution, if not several < 1415194534 311095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were complications if we didn't want exponential blowup due to nesting < 1415194537 921814 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oerjan: What are you talking about? < 1415194571 85786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it started with http://esolangs.org/wiki/Lenguage < 1415194601 344682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although we seem to have passed on to reminiscing about number-encoding brainfuck in general < 1415194632 717624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I don't remember if there was something particularly "practical" (if such a word can ever be used) -- reasonably small values, yet "easy" to compute the brainfuck program given the natural number. That was at least someone's goal. < 1415194648 141854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also anyway, it doesn't _really_ matter much if there's an initial 1 or not in an encoding, since you can just prepend -+ or - if necessary < 1415194663 461104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have prepended >< for some reason. < 1415194705 214053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think the fibonacci base thing i thought of would have reasonable growth, since it encoded a whole list with only golden ratio blowup or thereabouts < 1415194709 607136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this: we encode the 8 commands as octal digits; then we use the numbers which correspond to malformed programs to encode the programs which would have leading zeroes < 1415194744 722934 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this: no more "let's encode brainfuck differently" derivations of brainfuck? < 1415194789 937970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: well the old discussion was interesting in so far as it tried to construct a proper _bijection_ while all usual such derivatives leave out either some numbers or some programs < 1415194796 513988 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: very cool < 1415194798 545581 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I do know Wilson's theorem. And I'd never thought that I would see the day that I would prefer (!!) :: [a] -> Integer -> a over (!!) :: [a] -> Int -> a... < 1415194812 223280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: heh < 1415194834 91670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, my brainfuck numbering thing was awful < 1415194853 403653 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I rather suspect that you have a more clever way of doing the substring part < 1415194909 16253 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/40562/asciis-95-characters-95-movie-quotes < oh god, using esolangs to remove important characters fo non-esoteric languages. < 1415194910 571437 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why < 1415194911 903537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a better way to think of the problem may be "construct an enumeration of all brainfuck programs with random access" < 1415194917 437569 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are eople so cruel < 1415194929 609997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, that doesn't guarantee the program -> natural direction, but...) < 1415194990 366133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: this is horrific < 1415195120 64167 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh another thing I can't use: 0^n+n is shorter than max 1n < 1415195157 287370 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, I can, but it's unlikely to help) < 1415195158 678171 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Checkout14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40783&oldid=40702 5* 03Ais523 5* (+345) 10/* Impossible to checkout to level 6? */ whoops < 1415195195 167860 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and since I'm spilling tricks: The (n+k) pattern used to enable loops of this kind: main=readLn>>=f;f(n+1)=f n < 1415195227 879843 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Checkout14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40784&oldid=21322 5* 03Ais523 5* (+114) 10/* Checkouts */ fix an omission that was pointed out in talk < 1415195245 184115 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ah, quitting by running into an undefined case. nice. < 1415195259 721884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah it's really (0^n+n) vs. max 1n < 1415195261 578846 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1415195275 672216 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, that is common practice in the Haskell entries < 1415195287 10433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: is the n+k pattern actually official Haskell? < 1415195293 710371 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: a lot of text processing is done by m@main=getLine>>=f>>m < 1415195302 488605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it _was_. < 1415195305 967969 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not anymore, it was removed in Haskell2010 < 1415195318 600458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as being overly specific? < 1415195329 812919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could still do a match against 0, 1, n < 1415195358 871300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there are some old anagolf haskell solutions that seem impossible to tie, int-e theorizes the loss of n+k patterns is why < 1415195371 648793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1415195383 738421 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other contender is that import List not longer works. < 1415195393 584730 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have no example for that < 1415195395 785650 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1415195437 703455 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1415195451 557863 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some ghc version you couldn't do import List anymore < 1415195461 858899 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm pretty sure I have submitted solutions that do import List < 1415195467 604005 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(instead of import Data.List) < 1415195472 531495 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't work anymore on anagol < 1415195486 604198 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, these sound more likely than an entry that you can't tie because you can no longer define an instance of Monad without defining an Applicative instance for that type < 1415195498 709282 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (n+k) patterns are a bit onerous on the compiler and gain little. f(n+k) is something like f n'|n'>=k = let n=n'-k in.... (or, in Haskell2010, f n|n<-n-k,n>=0)... using all of Num, Ord and Eq. < 1415195530 198716 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: One compiler author argued against plain n-patterns (f 0 etc) as well, but they were deemed too useful to drop. < 1415195556 396850 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what was the argument? < 1415195569 130434 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: or even better, link to the article? < 1415195601 705377 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: lengthy discussion in 2010, I'm not sure how to feed google. < 1415195619 704413 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: kk, no worries < 1415195626 894738 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: mayne a tl;dr then? < 1415195630 95909 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe* < 1415195648 573542 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google "remove npluskpatterns" < 1415195649 612377 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Result Found. < 1415195670 235252 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1415195670 491531 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must have been a haskell' proposal for that. < 1415195694 944082 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :here: https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/haskell-prime/wiki/RemoveNPlusK < 1415195782 797190 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: The main reason was that the feature was hardly used and no fans stepped up to defend the feature, while enough people expressed their dislike. < 1415195793 468740 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yup, ive seen that. what interested me is why n patterns are bad < 1415195823 258013 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like n+k patterns < 1415195831 314521 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: very few do < 1415195833 969080 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: oh from a compiler writing perspective they are about as bad as n+k patterns: to desugar f 0 = ..., you need to have something like f x | x==0 = ... < 1415195854 637725 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ah < 1415195859 798072 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADD: from a programmer's perspective, they are just too useful to drop < 1415195872 401447 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they, like, try to pretend that Integers are represented as a lazy unary data structure, when I actually want to use the fact thta they aren't, they're strict and implemented with machine-level arithmetic as binary < 1415195896 650665 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: indeed < 1415195928 685630 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f :: Double; f 0 = 1; f x = x in map f [-0.1,0,0.1] < 1415195930 751949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘a0 -> a0’ < 1415195930 934813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘GHC.Types.Double’Couldn't match expected type ... < 1415195931 117673 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘GHC.Types.Double’ < 1415195942 49236 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f :: Double -> Double; f 0 = 1; f x = x in map f [-0.1,0,0.1] < 1415195943 967283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-0.1,1.0,0.1] < 1415195947 18806 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: although im sure like n+k patterns, you could use viewPatterns as well, or at least that is my intuition < 1415195971 583593 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was proposed to restrict n patterns to just Integral, but that also didn't gather a big fanbase) < 1415195989 100755 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1415196000 896863 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: they should be restricted to a _unary_ natural type < 1415196001 607014 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I... just had a terrible idea for that cold golf < 1415196009 117534 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 using only printable characters. < 1415196014 638538 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a unary lazy natural type (thus one that can store infinity too) < 1415196022 388563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: printable x86 is fun < 1415196049 218101 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody already did it with 80386 < 1415196051 597917 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that was about n patterns. I hope you're not suggesting to abolish f (-1) = 42 < 1415196055 609588 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: people are doing that already < 1415196057 16678 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 counts as distinct, right? < 1415196088 268781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh, n patterns. I dunno about those. I don't much like them, but they're not as bad as n+k patterns, so I think they can stay. < 1415196103 469836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP_W^VH%35%DCPYXPH%=5%=CP[]UM#(UX%??t&* * * * ZR 1() !GFF=\ouU0_0<0^3L1L0^292L1^1Q1L2Y1D1\3R3P0A3B2D0<1p3p3o11131p3>2D0<3:0<18253<2:170D021p3D0>0A0D0<183<3:1:1D0432041p24143o031p2D0p331o0A2D0B2A3I1J2I1J2D321124310o13031D0=0p3o0302113A220=2I1J2I1J22112o0D011412112B02112o0D042A0D0432041p2B2B2D0o2B1I1J2n3I1J2p231o0o1p212D0B042=0?0B1B2B042B242A142B1B2B042A1@2B1=342B3@1m0m032p0o1o0p3B0D2<2@090@061@1;0@15050@382@380@0D2A0B0o2132130B2B1@263o251B1A042A1@ < 1415196104 977899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3=342B3@3=3I1J2B0B2B02112o0B2B1B2o2=1323331o043B0B0o2132130B2B1@163o251B1B1A1;193;2=311412112B011412112B0A1@3A0o2B1A0o2B1>2@1>2A132p0p22112o032B0B0o2132130B2B1@263o251A0I1J2D2C143C143D2A0C380C3B3C3=0C3A1B2B02112o0B2B1B2o2A3?0A1B0B2B02112o0B2B1B2o2=0C3p0C3B1B2C3<0C3A0C3@0C3B3B2B02112o0B2B1B2o2C1?0B1>2D1B0B0@163o251=1B0o2132130I1J2B2B13213p03112B0B0o2132130B2B1@163o251A0D2p242D2B1B1C2C2B0@263o251=1B0o2132130B2B13213p03112B0B0o2132130B2B1@ < 1415196106 459840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :263o251A0D2o3B342D2B1B1C2C2@2@2B332p0o1o0p3B0I1J2D2608053735272:0C1@3?1C1;0<380616080:0C1=1?1C1=1<38063517191D3B07160C1=350=3o0C2B2D0B2D0B2D0B2D06282D0@1B0B1D0D1;3;2;2=1505013o171@053@0=0@052@390@1D2I1J2D290@052@2>1@290@152@1D2A0B0o2132130B2B1@263o251B1C2C211412112B0A1@1A0o2B1C2C232p0o1o0p3B0D2<0<0<1?1D2A0B0o2132130B2B1@263o251B1C2C2B0C3m2C3B332p3313123B0I1J2B0o2132130B2B1@263o251A0>0@1A0@0B1A0@ < 1415196106 653041 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I used to have a DOS game of life program, text only, as a signature... < 1415196107 972187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1B1C2C2B0B0B2B02112o0B2B1B2o2=132o0311010B0B0o2132130B2B1@163o251B1C1@2?1?2B1A011412112B0A1@3A0o2B1A0B0B2B02112o0B2B1I1J2B2o2=132o0311010B0B0o2132130B2B1@163o251B1A3?0A3?2?0B1A011412112B0A1@3A0o2B1A032431013p331B0B0o2132130B2B1@163o251B1A032431013p331B0B0o2132130B2B1@263o251I1J2B1B2@0B1B1>2@1>3I1J2m1I1J2@@A5 < 1415196125 70970 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it was even robust to some amount of whitespace change < 1415196153 701158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this program is my solution to "you want to send a file to a Windows system over a link that corrupts non-ASCII characters, there is no useful software at the other end" < 1415196156 438067 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some recent article about x86 shellcode that looks like English words, < 1415196162 874684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that's the output of running the program on its own source code < 1415196182 882742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's no whitespace past the start of the first line) < 1415196183 101827 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a research on how heuristic filters can be tricked or something. < 1415196201 202426 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw that too < 1415196204 771131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problem I found with ASCII 8086 is that you have no flow control instructions < 1415196215 500812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that you need to self-modify the code in order to write them into your program < 1415196217 643003 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009! < 1415196225 40821 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : this program is my solution to "you want to send a file to a Windows system over a link that corrupts non-ASCII characters, there is no useful software at the other end" < 1415196225 317545 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1415196228 411818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it quite easy to detect < 1415196229 693372 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bootstrap with a .bat file? < 1415196238 487140 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK you could encode arbitary binary text through that. < 1415196238 670057 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not so recent, perhaps :) < 1415196250 783531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I don't know of a way to encode binary as a batch file < 1415196259 35223 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ok < 1415196261 677733 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :certutil -decode encodedInputFileName decodedOutputFileName < 1415196269 855868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I had to do exactly that once, except the target system was running Linux < 1415196273 666426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I used busybox printf < 1415196279 717364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hex escapes < 1415196287 785003 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :certutil should be standard < 1415196288 167957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: hmm, now you're relying on external useful software < 1415196302 842838 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I encoded a file with perl once < 1415196304 699974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt certutil exists on DOS, and possibly not on Windows 95 either (which is about the age of this code) < 1415196308 253415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to ascii) < 1415196322 671330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, a proper encoder would bootstrap into proper uucode < 1415196333 539770 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1415196337 322974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the rather awkward "two bytes per character" of that encoding above < 1415196346 332874 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I think shar assumes the destination has uudecode < 1415196349 272185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think it alternates between 6 and 2 bytes) < 1415196355 360269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it does, if you encode binaries < 1415196361 604737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuencode is actually in sharutils, packagewise < 1415196374 684321 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't base64 standard on Linux though? < 1415196393 748035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i think what happened with List was, at some point the current Prelude diverged so much from H98 that it could no longer be shared with the H98 compatibility layer, so all the old modules were put in the haskell98 package and hidden by default. < 1415196396 253303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: 386s are x86s < 1415196396 747712 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: perl is standard on Linux and you can use it for this pretty well < 1415196401 518634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that's what the x means :p < 1415196408 570748 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ... crap < 1415196413 870750 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :80386? < 1415196419 122714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1415196430 2057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i386 is just an abbreviation. < 1415196437 325714 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1415196444 884332 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is probably going to end terribly, but < 1415196453 423607 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I tried to use Malborge in that challenge < 1415196535 382309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and m68k is a cpu arch entirely unrelated to x86, despite that it has "8" and "6" in it < 1415196544 713103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you still can define Monad without Applicative in all officially released GHC versions, although that will change with 7.10; there's just a warning in the latest one. anagolf's still on 7.4, though. < 1415196590 924483 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh... and can you even use that instance after you define it that way? < 1415196847 746091 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.73.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415196933 583184 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.67.133 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1415197080 211682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523\unfoog < 1415197096 836629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff fire alarm < 1415197184 164193 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well < 1415197186 753818 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats x68 < 1415197188 97948 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not x86 < 1415197200 166295 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yeah < 1415197205 753084 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1415197210 655094 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since x64 means 64bits < 1415197217 447628 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 probably means it's got 86bits < 1415197219 197642 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also x86 is derived from x80 < 1415197236 236541 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which had just 80 bits < 1415197254 208071 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me < 1415197292 180202 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I a wouldn't know anything about these things < 1415197295 776793 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think x86 > x64 < 1415197319 887307 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*If I wouldn't < 1415197376 867832 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I should've included a random number generator ... a black screen is all I get in dosbox < 1415197444 651127 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway http://sprunge.us/cUIB is the code, executable as a .COM file. < 1415197474 237500 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one can change whitespace after the 64th character. < 1415197843 233577 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: about "bits", http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1558 < 1415198023 526924 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: first x86 chip was the 8086 < 1415198034 483085 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most subsequent revisions put digits in the middle < 1415198037 537645 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :80286, 80386, etc. < 1415198051 828209 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it goes up to 80686? but after a bit, people started using names rather than numbers, such as "Pentium" < 1415198093 495868 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good thing, too, it avoided the 801086 mess < 1415198313 224664 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1415198320 133549 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then with Pentium they started using numbers again < 1415198328 802851 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pentium 1, Pentium 2 < 1415198337 677201 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then suddenly they started using letters < 1415198340 78594 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Pentium D < 1415198349 943616 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1415198359 547070 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pentium M < 1415198360 951110 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pentium, pentium pro, pentium mmx, pentium 3, pentium 4, < 1415198369 690397 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall a pentium 2 < 1415198397 691973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Monad isn't a subclass of Applicative at all until next release, so yes. < 1415198425 310587 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_II < 1415198440 921938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: of course the probability that a good golf solution involves defining a monad instance is rather low. < 1415198459 107046 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: thanks. the roman numerals look more familiar < 1415198872 860530 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're relcome. < 1415198875 47337 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome < 1415198875 813677 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07irc.dal.net.) < 1415198906 187213 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if the task was complicated enough, it might be worth it because of do-notation? < 1415198909 513866 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :dark blue on my black background isn't the best thing :) < 1415199199 555404 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: still unlikely, since one can define 3 single character infix operators < 1415199419 156012 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in addition to do notation, you need code that requires lots of bindings, do a<-n;b<-o;c<-p;...;m<-z < 1415199476 696409 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Monad instance doesn't actually have to follow the monad laws, right? Haskell won't try to prove it < 1415199485 555744 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could just define something sufficiently monad-ish that it parsed < 1415199487 220073 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: right. < 1415199641 194351 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I broke the monad-law and I won. < 1415199654 785085 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it "fought" < 1415199664 209341 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit it's fought < 1415199689 587549 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to myself: Check quotes before saying them. < 1415199760 527064 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.74.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415199777 903069 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.73.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1415199783 384050 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1415200075 705598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1415200235 931555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: the thing is, you can get a lot of mileage in golfing for the cost of the characters "instance Monad where", and you'd probably need to define a data type as well... < 1415200243 694960 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1415200346 239018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do notation doesn't always beat explicit >>=, and only by a few characters. so, unlikely. < 1415200471 691999 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1415200714 414210 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mhlthrrdiahzhqhv QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1415200945 376811 :nyuszika7h_!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1415200962 118378 :bb010g_!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ikusqdkjiqmjzchq JOIN :#esoteric < 1415201010 378101 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1415201061 283150 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1415201070 830551 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1415201071 325563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1415201234 393791 :nyuszika7h_!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net NICK :nyuszika7h < 1415201359 942291 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan < 1415202222 808343 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1415202227 934621 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1415202334 589022 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.74.120 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1415202377 128835 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1415202720 277704 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://33.media.tumblr.com/41aa1d635c8367c07bd174824fb09cc0/tumblr_nejfhwQqHS1qzcv7no1_1280.jpg Astrology is fun. < 1415202773 392338 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Musical notes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40785&oldid=40698 5* 03TomPN 5* (-57) 10/* Line functions */ < 1415202877 112647 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dwstcmnhkotzeffl JOIN :#esoteric < 1415203029 642896 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.92.40 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415203100 90589 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 910rm < 1415203100 310922 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (rm) Invalid arguments! < 1415203103 655087 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 9.010rm < 1415203103 839268 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (rm) Invalid arguments! < 1415203106 939900 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 9.0 10rm < 1415203107 122881 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "9.0000000000" < 1415203109 518551 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 9.0 100rm < 1415203109 702390 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "9.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 < 1415203130 52004 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq eepi?^ 100rm < 1415203130 238351 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ain't nobody got time fo' dat! < 1415203132 453161 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq eepi?^ 100rm < 1415203132 667325 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "23.1406926327792630000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 < 1415203160 575491 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq ee'010lp < 1415203160 759936 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (P[) Invalid arguments! < 1415203168 62668 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq ee10'0lp < 1415203168 246921 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "2.71828182" < 1415203172 626592 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq ee20'0lp < 1415203172 810384 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "0002.718281828459045" < 1415203209 775737 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq ee20'0lprd < 1415203209 999138 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ain't nobody got time fo' dat! < 1415203210 404701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I like how they circled two when all of them are equally absurd < 1415203212 327822 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq ee20'0lprd < 1415203212 510326 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.718281828459045 < 1415203234 274072 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: j-law will be wearing it next year < 1415203253 803311 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is bfjoust fixed, btw? < 1415203345 977186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1415203364 581722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though EgoBot is back. < 1415203382 689554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can (or, in fact, have to) submit to two hills in one command. < 1415203488 47563 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cupnoodles (>)*9([(-)*8[+].]+>)*4(<)*4(<--<++)*4<--(>(+)*17>(-)*17)*4(>)*6(>[(+)*8[-].]>[(-)*8[+].])*-1 < 1415203490 141692 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman.cupnoodles: points 7.67, score 29.82, rank 6/47 < 1415203497 330989 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for mroman_cupnoodles: 22.7 < 1415203497 554879 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bfjoust < 1415203503 174556 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1415203510 556004 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1415203517 164358 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the egobot hill located at? < 1415203561 659200 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1415203561 843556 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: "!bfjoust progname code". See http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for documentation. < 1415203562 426582 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1415203591 661421 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1415203598 103505 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :only scores rank 40 on egojoust < 1415203920 414420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1415204081 81517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be something screwy with the zemhill scoring. < 1415204088 25813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, of course, they're quite different algorithms. < 1415204103 656756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Points-wise it doesn't seem all that different. < 1415204144 609804 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1415204161 14802 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415204395 741165 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.83.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415204519 706439 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.92.40 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1415204576 712913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :See the fabulous redundant twins EgoBot and zemhill | BF Joust scoring poll: http://goo.gl/02KE0Y | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1415206470 493915 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiny C compiler. https://github.com/rswier/c4/blob/master/c4.c < 1415206516 97678 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter, strictly speaking < 1415206526 722175 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. interp.. < 1415206540 832039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett The trick I discovered (and probably am not the first) for converting dates is that a multiplication and a division can give exact answers if you choose the right offset. in particular, for finding the year you want to treat january and february as belonging to the previous year, and putting the epoch at mar 1 in a 400-year like 1600 or 2000. there's a similar offset you can use for months within a year. < 1415206541 236793 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1415206556 204600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum did that all get included < 1415206581 884086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems so < 1415206605 746433 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ends with "within a year." < 1415206616 842768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it should. < 1415206642 607720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't actually remember what the offset was, except that it was _not_ starting with march) < 1415206746 808333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i could rederive it, starting from march the day lengths are 31 30 31 30 31 31 30 31 30 31 31 2* < 1415206778 68844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the february doesn't matter because we'll have cut the year there in a previous step < 1415206833 858760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we see then there's a period there with july - december, 5 months < 1415206906 523072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think september = 0 will give the right offset < 1415207063 228594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f m = (m-9)*(3*31+2*30)`div`5 in zipWith(-)`ap`tail$map f[3..14] < 1415207065 361408 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-31,-30,-31,-30,-31,-31,-30,-31,-30,-31,-31] < 1415207094 888853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the essence of it. < 1415207172 816415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett it seems the offset for months is sep 1, then *(3*31+2*30)`div`5 < 1415207173 247130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1415207367 605104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i implemented this in schemenomic, way back. < 1415207428 375805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1415207868 388002 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww... http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Wow < 1415208508 512370 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing the SO challenge in Malborge < 1415208512 383489 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is proving surprisingly painful. < 1415208525 145555 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because half the instructions are unusable at many points due to the restrictions on characters. < 1415208556 89184 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :"#&'()*+,-./037;<=>@[\]^_ deopsvxXyz{|}~ being forbidden is generating huge streaks of unusuable characters. < 1415208793 41888 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: link? < 1415208805 776291 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/40562/asciis-95-characters-95-movie-quotes < 1415208808 428537 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, being surprisingly painful is the entire point of Malbolge < 1415208811 44972 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing a Malborge solution < 1415208813 688337 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, being surprisingly painful is the entire point of Malbolge < 1415208827 807401 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malborge would not be painful for writing a fixed printing program. < 1415208832 386068 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :However... < 1415208846 294173 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case it seems malbolge's position-dependent decoding of instructions would be a blessing < 1415208859 206852 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, it is, sort of. < 1415208863 420642 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean it's easy < 1415208878 649916 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem is, their selection of special characters means there's long runs where one instruction or another is just plain unavailable. < 1415208887 645308 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I remind you that it took several months for the first hello world program in Malbolge, which was mixed-case and generated by an evolutionary algorithm < 1415208898 274080 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like < 1415208914 788592 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a position where the only available insturctions are / and u < 1415208920 4533 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :p* < 1415208924 816124 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning I have to execute a p there < 1415208946 120628 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there were nops < 1415208951 934146 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are. < 1415208956 490674 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one. < 1415208962 903066 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I can only input "valid" instructios. < 1415208964 865030 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :instructions* < 1415208975 687958 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1415209001 267725 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: this contest was a good idea < 1415209015 839533 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you can't use the non-ASCII hole because it's an ASCII tournament < 1415209026 701487 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 should be doable in Unary, I guess < 1415209032 468741 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unary comes last < 1415209045 499696 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/5fKv9cgS < 1415209051 349922 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, someone did Unary at 86 < 1415209052 272069 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :To give an idea of what I actually have available at each position < 1415209064 662974 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how boring < 1415209106 761708 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can never execute / since that reads stdin < 1415209109 738709 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazy k still works... `SK < 1415209111 824580 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :83 is by someone called "Snack", who knows of Esolang < 1415209113 996771 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this worries me < 1415209118 496907 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :v is right out. < 1415209121 430550 :password2!~password@197.76.148.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415209128 910564 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, better do that now. :) < 1415209134 574055 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend to knock out ` with Malborge. < 1415209187 77342 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't be bothered. < 1415209229 700709 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/7X89ehSc < 1415209232 584242 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice. < 1415209241 616370 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The top four instructions are the only ones I can really safely use whenever I like < 1415209274 719208 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 terrible positions. < 1415209283 550497 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, people are language-sniping, boring (apart from sniping the BF derivatives, I can get behind that) < 1415209283 734541 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each of where I have to either jump (urgh, bad bad bad) or print (eeep) < 1415209296 290668 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: you could just try jumping and seeing where it goes < 1415209299 554356 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it goes forwards, it's not so bad < 1415209310 553538 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just pad from the source to the destinatino < 1415209315 236532 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*destination < 1415209321 183989 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, my current plan is to get d far into the padding < 1415209362 539429 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that the padding usually looks something like this: 83 29443 83 29444 82 29444 83 29443 83 29444 82 29444 83 29443 83 29444 82 29444 83 29443 83 29444 82 29444 < 1415209372 909958 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: plenty of people on PPCG knows about Esolang < 1415209383 557821 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if I get d to be around 29444, I can use j, *, and p to permute the values there. < 1415209387 190788 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I'm not surprised, at this point < 1415209388 917216 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until I get the ASCII values I want to print. < 1415209391 479779 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then print. < 1415209400 799165 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPCG is basically the Stack Overflow version of #esoteric < 1415209426 527365 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the large value would point into the part of the memory I'm using for the permutation, I could easily use j to loop back over the state I'm using once more < 1415209432 291960 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck, I hope you get there in time to not be sniped < 1415209438 654346 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 3 is banned < 1415209444 79611 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only way someone can snipe me < 1415209447 438487 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is to get Malborge before me. < 1415209448 26222 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1415209458 161665 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: or ban one of the characters you use, forcing you to rewrite the program < 1415209461 716274 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you're using a generator?) < 1415209480 458 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably want to hand-write initialization to get myself into the padding < 1415209489 69654 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, a generator would be nice after that < 1415209532 655087 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if all eight legal characters at any given position get banned? < 1415209545 783462 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other ideas do I have ... dc is going to work still, until all digits or P are gone. < 1415209581 773256 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog, I'm screwed < 1415209585 718636 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you need at least some arithmetic? admittedly, dc has a lot < 1415209594 167116 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: then you'd better get this done quickly :-( < 1415209599 142225 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it'll be awesome < 1415209607 499295 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every position has at least two characters open right now < 1415209613 710229 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it'll take two bans to kill Malborge < 1415209625 806900 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If things go bda < 1415209626 779876 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad* < 1415209630 738824 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's malborge variants out there < 1415209794 935529 :password2!~password@197.76.148.50 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1415209805 826313 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.83.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a BF variant that can be written with any character, it takes the length of your code and converts it to binary, and then to one of the 8 BF commands. < 1415209839 674521 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.83.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pro snipe. < 1415209897 313531 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.83.38 NICK :AndoDaan < 1415209909 34023 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: I was thinking of Unary, but that mandates 0s < 1415209911 627373 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeek, no < 1415209915 278036 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, has already been used < 1415209917 302490 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, two dc approaches: d%P (with some precalculation) ZPZP... (where ni have the appropriate number of digits) < 1415209919 239003 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was thus sniped that way < 1415209919 598296 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a character that'll force me to use jumps < 1415209925 659516 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it eliminates all safe instructions in a positino < 1415209927 805587 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :position* < 1415209929 109401 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't do it without P. < 1415209952 4561 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I'll snipe P for you < 1415209953 26400 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1415209970 904369 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: int-e: do it in reverse, submit a dc entry that makes most languages hard but Malbolge no harder than before < 1415210004 983463 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :A number would do nicely < 1415210024 487267 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I should go after ! or $ < 1415210032 91500 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one figure out which quotes are still available? < 1415210034 782519 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, ` < 1415210083 380684 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1415210181 585493 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, oh! < 1415210192 244072 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, how about you get a number or something < 1415210193 688491 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I get P < 1415210386 402329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: But there's a P workaround right there in the man page! < 1415210405 885616 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: [] are gone < 1415210422 419881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The workaround also contains a P, which is something I hadn't noticed. < 1415210471 992985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's reasonable, since you can't print anything else but numbers with anything else. < 1415210495 931309 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1415210545 114464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: One (or more?) of the Unary clones allows any character. < 1415210553 330146 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right < 1415210558 651095 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so save that for #1 unless someone else snipes it first < 1415210578 335007 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, what about 1L? that allows any two printables, IIRC < 1415211009 885251 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.83.38 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1415211049 266891 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.67.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415211236 788766 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: http://sprunge.us/GLDj is dc for quote 60, feel free to submit (I won't, my intellectual curiosity is satisfied). having 9 available simplifies matters but is not essential. < 1415211329 440914 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: But I can do another if you want the "mess" one for "Malbolge". < 1415211460 423585 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you post it and strike Z? < 1415211465 155581 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to strike P next < 1415211536 325380 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will not post it. < 1415211606 983414 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-175-183-209.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1415211857 11113 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I could use a newline instead of Ir. that makes me feel better. < 1415211994 284679 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to find a language that is turing complete with just tabs and newlines... < 1415212084 165241 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. "but there may not be more that 64 tabs or 64 newlines in your program." < 1415212092 38172 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody thought of that possibility. < 1415212301 974161 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q is gone < 1415212421 337488 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :though technically that solution is invalid because it contains spaces. but those are not required. < 1415212805 741991 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so lost < 1415212850 115968 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE quintopia < 1415212850 966683 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QuInToPiA: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: . (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) < 1415212996 62227 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Oh I couldn't submit if I wanted to: dc has already been used. < 1415213125 750936 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thanks. i figured it out. < 1415213551 755442 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesss~ < 1415213554 755196 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :My initializer works. < 1415213834 574385 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fun. 64 bytes from 64.15.113.24: icmp_seq=293 ttl=55 time=27203 ms < 1415213871 434236 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1415213881 295670 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415213992 753754 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1415214003 375280 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415214055 582515 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1415214732 340123 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.67.42 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1415214973 70271 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.87.8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415215271 921657 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1415218610 449381 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1415218613 349843 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal NICK :Vorpal < 1415218842 216078 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there? < 1415218939 204295 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1415219073 993088 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1415219146 732754 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1415219556 459618 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-175-183-209.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1415219749 183084 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1415220774 794377 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Notjohnconway 5* 10New user account < 1415220875 12372 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1415220985 211424 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat114.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1415221045 320878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: For a short while. < 1415221234 518017 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, How do you generate your site? Write raw html or some sort of site generator? < 1415221248 824305 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if so, which one? < 1415221310 695820 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1415221467 499762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit of custom Python code, reading mostly raw HTML, with a rather simple include-with-parameter-replacement facility and some other such things. < 1415221479 806246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also takes care of making the Atom feed.) < 1415221543 915857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bfjoust page I built with nanoc, which is a Ruby-based static-site generator, though it seems a bit overengineered. < 1415222430 794367 :icedvariables!56baac71@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.186.172.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415222465 803135 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.85.151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415222592 307448 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.87.8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1415222684 846251 :icedvariables!56baac71@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.186.172.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1415222761 37687 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1415222851 649285 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1415223421 21587 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1415223431 754153 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1415223498 876033 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1415224144 391144 :impomatic_!~digital_w@87.112.74.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1415224595 314367 :MickNartin!321a80dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.26.128.221 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1415224985 248828 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat114.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1415225023 695333 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1415225341 770564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1415225669 507933 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1415225968 772358 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1415226073 664317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: i am pondering banning you until you learn to spell malbolge hth < 1415226118 561556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: distance between pondering and actually doing is generally large) < 1415226300 452013 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the Musical Notes guy has returned < 1415226350 574154 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and changed the definition so that the [ and ] instructions now owrk in Brainfuck except it still says "Loops cannot be nested." < 1415226976 463223 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1415227231 255794 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1415227890 981298 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bls.gov/OES/current/oes151131.htm < 1415227908 587521 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently animal slaughtering is the top paying industry for computer programmers < 1415229056 513492 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1415230741 518754 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1415230967 893211 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1415231474 854056 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1415231763 651069 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1415231913 80743 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds