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< 1416186069 524820 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a file on my computer with some new pokemon cards I have made up now.
< 1416186415 449045 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEAVY GRAVITY STADIUM = All resistance to { # } is ignored.
< 1416186431 639431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUPER IMPOSTER PROFESSOR OAK = Discard an energy card attached to one of your pokemons in order to cause opponent to shuffle his hand into his draw pile and draw ten cards.
< 1416186451 901089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPACT GARBAGE = Select you or opponent; all cards in his trash will get lost.
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< 1416187837 720607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/iRcT   wonder what exactly it generated there
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< 1416188477 691818 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rustaceans seem very good at bikeshedding the word 'unsafe'
< 1416188542 692397 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, oh?
< 1416188575 555512 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/2ly7q8/two_hours_after_rust/clzmbpc
< 1416188582 489654 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the first time a similar conversation has occurred
< 1416188627 48681 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
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< 1416188719 551087 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually about to try and do some Rust again
< 1416188772 677744 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm half considering just waiting for 1.0 before doing anything
< 1416188782 629670 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do have a use case... kind of...
< 1416188790 351361 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh?
< 1416188798 942528 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want to do some loops regarding 32 bit floats
< 1416188820 340775 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figure that performance probably helps. Probably not -that- significantly though
< 1416188853 129971 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also wrapping C libraries... maybe. For that though it might be better to wait for unboxed closures to land, the library in question is callback intensive
< 1416188868 760766 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be nice if Rust had a real REPL
< 1416188894 278720 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there's already a C# wrapper for that library so why am I bothering
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< 1416188975 303124 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what does "unsafe" do?
< 1416189022 745227 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafe blocks allow using 'unsafe' functions, and a few other things that the Rust compiler cannot verify is safe in particular ways. unsafe functions can also do those things but can only be used from unsafe blocks.
< 1416189050 194214 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incl. dereferencing raw pointers and bypassing the type system ala unsafeCoerce)
< 1416189061 88672 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the latter is a specific unsafe function
< 1416189138 454000 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha ok
< 1416189151 690767 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is the domino thing your golf problem? the last one is quite hard...
< 1416189166 883303 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on paper)
< 1416189231 218426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: nope
< 1416189243 241410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i have played the puzzle
< 1416189260 677207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you could say it's in my tatham puzzle rotation)
< 1416189331 685846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries the last one
< 1416189475 300402 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the first thing you ever did in code
< 1416189526 556592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first thing i remember is writing complex arithmetic in BASIC. without a computer.
< 1416189570 803816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my dad had a textbook, but no computer at home to go with it. this was approximately 1981 or so.)
< 1416189608 52677 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (I had to verify that the solutions are unique. They are. So there's a slight chance that one can outperform the data compression approach by an honest search.)
< 1416189608 244449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re earlier paste, heh; what it does is it completely omits the function epilogue from main: http://sprunge.us/Jcib
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< 1416189645 447392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i was thinking of a search yeah
< 1416189663 23645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you're probably right that it's hard to beat compression.
< 1416189700 122561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leapfrogging has had relatively little attention.
< 1416189716 72758 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think so?
< 1416189735 531069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has? i thought all the haskellers except me were improving it constantly.
< 1416189747 892616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i have no idea how they're doing it :P)
< 1416189748 525526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, language-wise.
< 1416189757 50055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only 8 languages in there.
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< 1416189778 115824 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, well the dc folks cannot compete, for example
< 1416189797 143133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of doing it in dc, actually.
< 1416189807 616845 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you hoping to do the parsing?
< 1416189813 89486 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1416189815 247097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just numbers.
< 1416189820 543600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc can do numbers.
< 1416189824 694710 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I was looking at the output, not thinking
< 1416189845 156753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would end up pretty long, I think.
< 1416189856 434697 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416189856 578572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probably not very interesting.
< 1416189886 112672 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the most complex thing you've ever created in code 
< 1416189890 716718 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't try, I've had a hard enough time with Wow
< 1416189918 475705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty surprised at how short the dc Wow is.
< 1416189955 771725 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I'm a bit afraid that tails is just missing an easy trick for saving two characters.)
< 1416190043 602470 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :sonic boom is probably the worst game ive ever seen 
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< 1416190124 707716 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :collision detection doesnt activate for 6.23 seconds and when it does it makes the most ungodly noise 
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< 1416190231 846215 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :`toroman 400
< 1416190232 466941 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CD
< 1416190255 954089 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1416190397 569307 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fromroman CX
< 1416190398 260580 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :110
< 1416190447 782853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that last dominosa problem was no problem for my usual methods.  but then the real puzzles are larger.
< 1416190529 429860 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1416190682 586337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the initial stage of the method is mostly "search for dominoes that only exist in one place", though, so may take a while if unlucky.
< 1416190705 504028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if that really fails, _then_ i have to get clever, but it didn't for this one.)
< 1416190767 715827 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :really...
< 1416190789 268389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and also "exist in two places but those share part of their border", that got me the first hit here.
< 1416190807 114681 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I have no practice at all...
< 1416190808 568630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely 1-1
< 1416190839 79908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i played dominosa several time before i had the epiphany of how to do it more efficiently.
< 1416190855 255250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*times
< 1416190911 436243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also once you've found something, it's important to mark what else that excludes.
< 1416190944 4911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tatham's puzzle allows you to insert marks where you know there is a border.
< 1416190947 170447 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I got that. I missed that the 11 are right next to a corner.
< 1416190966 150925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1416191015 493486 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I started with 21 22 in opposite corners
< 1416191047 981287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and after that i found 1-4 by brute searching, and that started closing off options.
< 1416191068 388080 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to backtrack twice, I think.
< 1416191077 54636 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, branch twice)
< 1416191086 927944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah and that wouldn't have worked unless you found the 0-4 corner first, i guess.
< 1416191157 396097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that 21 22 thing would have been important if nothing simpler had worked, i guess.
< 1416191209 653334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have allowed finding the 2-4 next
< 1416191235 832085 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no longer trying to follow btw
< 1416191322 495971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean, since you had 21 22 in opposite corners, that means 21 and 22 are both spoken for there. and it so happens that that excludes a couple of 1-2's elsewhere, giving you enough of the border of the 2-4 to place it.
< 1416191329 751457 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is it here that has a gopher page?
< 1416191336 201726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: zzo38 
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< 1416191502 630405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing i've found is that it's best to start searching for the double ones first: 00 11 etc.
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< 1416191631 471162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you find 00, it gives a better chance of finding unique things involving 0's later.
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< 1416192046 518605 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the percentage of tripping over a rope and exploding into flame 
< 1416192102 363832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends whether the rope is next to a lava pit.
< 1416192126 489355 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :no just like 
< 1416192132 505868 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :spontaneous 
< 1416192151 753227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty close to 0, i assume.
< 1416192151 896313 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going with .03 %
< 1416192208 766973 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :all my code is very messy 
< 1416192216 957485 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it gets its job done
< 1416192218 71786 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't often see ropes in my day to day life
< 1416192221 56151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that is a very high estimate.
< 1416192234 720250 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have never to my knowledge exploded into flame
< 1416192240 748422 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0000000000000000003.33%
< 1416192249 301734 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :better?
< 1416192251 347430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: not you either? and here i thought i was the only one!
< 1416192262 647749 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, we should start a support group
< 1416192266 693737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: more plausible.
< 1416192318 544253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i'd be willing to think it's higher than that. world population and all.
< 1416192328 7017 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1416192330 910745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...
< 1416192339 178377 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't that many ropes lying about
< 1416192351 759159 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if you lived in a port city or something
< 1416192354 814988 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a campsite
< 1416192358 503261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still need some way to spontaneously combust without a fire to ignite you.
< 1416192365 534995 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1416192480 838933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i am thinking some kind of cordon.
< 1416192553 921279 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i would guess 
< 1416192565 926948 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were to be accelerated in someway
< 1416192578 553947 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :bypassing your terninal velocity
< 1416192585 608175 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminal*
< 1416192598 420707 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just ignite your blood
< 1416192623 14614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt blood is the first thing to ignite in your body.
< 1416192630 846835 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm
< 1416192633 36231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more likely, clothes.
< 1416192658 195087 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you hadnt any clothing?
< 1416192698 89584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hair, possibly.
< 1416192706 340044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hair spray!
< 1416192715 268895 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh thats true
< 1416192762 233207 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you know how your blood vaporises when you are electricity
< 1416192776 820986 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :electricuted 
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< 1416192806 582695 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm a rope near an electrical plant
< 1416192829 632453 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :im very weird 
< 1416192958 903134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If SHC is a real phenomenon (and not the result of an elderly or infirm person being too close to a flame source), why doesn’t it happen more often? There are 5 billion (editor's note: as of 2011) people in the world, and yet we don’t see reports of people bursting into flame while walking down the street, attending football games, or sipping a coffee at a local Starbucks."
< 1416192966 330819 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.128 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416193032 489671 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm yes but this rope scenario is in of course theory oerjan 
< 1416193042 183758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: [citation needed] on that blood vaporising
< 1416193136 142023 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm glad i'm a biologist, so i can say things like what the fuck are you even talking about
< 1416193153 405718 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know i know
< 1416193178 185039 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of weird random things happen to bodies, like heart attacks! be satisfied with these deaths, you monsters
< 1416193178 960497 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was having very imaginative brain farts yesterday
< 1416193191 114058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: are you a mad biologist who can do the necessary experiments to get to the bottom of this twh
< 1416193205 527508 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what would liquid entropy taste like
< 1416193222 543131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: green hth
< 1416193249 531626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reminded of delirium from sandman
< 1416193260 643253 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would they sleep furiously?
< 1416193263 477779 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my friends name us deliriun
< 1416193266 646421 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this experiment doesn't even seem very mad. bleed a cow for a while, then get a bunsen burner. easy. i could probably even get iacuc approval, except it's probably been done already
< 1416193271 212093 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :delirium
< 1416193272 919442 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't 'tasting like something' be doing work?
< 1416193293 731539 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :again
< 1416193300 509587 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :imaginative brain farts
< 1416193310 509773 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :liquid light 
< 1416193320 278982 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stringing words together isn't that imaginative, yo
< 1416193342 755376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: liquid burn
< 1416193368 753151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: only if irreversible hth
< 1416193374 581087 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you go indetail
< 1416193432 376803 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe it's my tongue doing the work.
< 1416193435 966790 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what happens if you touch photons that are super condensed to the point where the laws of the universe are like fuck it why not have liquidized light
< 1416193487 706101 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1416193491 782881 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plasma maybe.
< 1416193520 179150 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah just light 
< 1416193527 441674 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stuff u see
< 1416193551 519761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you condense light enough you get a "normal" black hole afaiu
< 1416193556 767217 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can bump into other light and make matter, if dense enough
< 1416193559 595668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a lot, though.
< 1416193570 291952 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, more than four
< 1416193578 374156 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely.
< 1416193664 629854 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416193686 270581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kugelblitz_(astrophysics)
< 1416193814 811084 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1416193879 422901 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could one collapse the space around a blackhole?
< 1416193929 481438 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :is in a skype with friends
< 1416193939 878236 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if i had a wee little black hole in my room, and i managed to direct light (a lot of light) around it, could could i create an outher shell black hole?
< 1416193944 312450 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :please help me discuss this with them
< 1416194020 453186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: no hth
< 1416194029 70495 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416194031 288756 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently no you cant according to my friend
< 1416194156 662188 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh new topic
< 1416194174 502549 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you guys hear about the hard light thing
< 1416194198 267156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i did i forgot
< 1416194221 3298 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so they condensed the light or something 
< 1416194228 223113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's recently, well i haven't been keeping up with r/physics
< 1416194228 887008 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was solidified 
< 1416194245 501356 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it wasnt really solid
< 1416194264 240990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it vaguely rings a bell, this was probably inside some material
< 1416194269 267923 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just alot of light moving around a set point
< 1416194283 577307 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416194482 614544 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1416195655 770024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have 34 chapters, 58 sessions, and 57 footnotes.
< 1416195905 49193 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does anything go in a black hole if it can't get out?
< 1416195934 890011 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can antimatter get out of a black hole, if it bahaves like regular matter going in reverse time?
< 1416195957 173393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: no.  because gravitation is symmetric under time reversal.
< 1416195994 511007 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But black holes can evaportat with a little trick.
< 1416196001 779024 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evaporate.
< 1416196005 488546 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That only answers the second question, unless you're saying things can't go in lack holes.
< 1416196019 863690 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*black
< 1416196039 884285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you could have in theory is a _white_ hole, from which things can _only_ get out.  but we don't know of a way to produce them, and haven't found any.
< 1416196061 340555 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine they would empty fairly quickly.
< 1416196086 672136 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would never go in if it has reverse time properties
< 1416196089 83566 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are white holes even supposed to work?
< 1416196090 889390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they would essentially be black holes time reversed
< 1416196097 47294 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning physics has really ruined my sci-fi abilities.
< 1416196147 357036 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if the antimatter goes in
< 1416196147 854447 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it doesn't tend to happen due to being very un-entropic.
< 1416196168 526959 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes back out because of reverse time
< 1416196183 434158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well they are a mathematical solution, but probably thermodynamics doesn't allow them to be formed in the first place.
< 1416196203 201663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd essentially have to drop hawking radiation into a spot...
< 1416196205 903271 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since nothing can escape it
< 1416196219 23690 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :then antimatter would never enter
< 1416196231 918691 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :because its reverse
< 1416196241 399799 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Physics scares me
< 1416196250 595788 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not forward which goes infinite 
< 1416196261 937683 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most actual science scares me
< 1416196269 305257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: i assume if a white hole existed, it wouldn't _always_ be spewing out matter, in the same way a _black_ hole isn't _always_ swallowing something.
< 1416196279 950033 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to stay firmly in the region of things that are definitely true and hence useless
< 1416196293 268336 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :physics only makes sense locally. here, let me tell you about all the dude ants dudeing about on this apple
< 1416196345 354009 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :no because
< 1416196353 749129 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there are white holes
< 1416196356 84505 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (.) flip const join (+) () 12
< 1416196357 486879 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 24
< 1416196370 405662 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 12 + 12
< 1416196371 809105 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 24
< 1416196378 970324 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :it woukd have to swallow stuff to spew it out
< 1416196400 224436 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the second way its just reverse gravitational force 
< 1416196412 855780 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (<*>) pure (+) 12
< 1416196414 244325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12
< 1416196414 389398 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Kinda Mediocre Nuclear Force
< 1416196417 469699 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would leave large holes in the universe
< 1416196421 783762 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it had stuff within region before it was form it would have fuel to spue out.
< 1416196426 548027 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 12
< 1416196426 701673 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if 
< 1416196427 937453 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12
< 1416196433 79872 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you can see, i'm an efficient programmer.
< 1416196433 223453 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's region*
< 1416196442 962035 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its*
< 1416196447 154853 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :the begining of the universe was a white hole in theory
< 1416196454 946909 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :'its
< 1416196457 757343 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it pushed it outwards at highspeed
< 1416196465 606159 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'tits
< 1416196465 876250 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1416196472 466272 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is*
< 1416196482 722993 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't
< 1416196497 551106 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dark energy... what's that all about, aye.
< 1416196499 410780 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1244 + 555
< 1416196500 805094 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1799
< 1416196504 853726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: really you are not thinking precisely enough for this, but one hint: if you play a ball thrown through the air backwards, it still looks like a ball thrown through the air.  reversing time does not change what gravitation does.
< 1416196505 273302 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh mai
< 1416196508 150501 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that number.
< 1416196517 573984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*play a video of a ball
< 1416196519 861396 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1416196530 711662 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i wasnt thinking
< 1416196538 655048 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol nvm weird topic
< 1416196544 50929 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dark energy is for super villains to charge purple crystals.
< 1416196560 375945 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :didnt this start with liquid light creating black holes
< 1416196567 728917 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, I'm a beginner supervillain, where can I found out more about these purple crystals?
< 1416196673 36396 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll sell you purple crystals for $1000/pound, dawg.
< 1416196681 638904 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A minute of using a search engine got me nothing.
< 1416196703 888546 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half Life Wiki has uses of dark energy by a villain, though.
< 1416196736 400082 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They use it for bouncy balls that tend to explode.
< 1416196744 914376 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I'm a low-budget beginning supervillain
< 1416196755 837457 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :half life wiki is my favorite anime
< 1416196764 604934 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i also offer loans with quite reasonable deferral times
< 1416196793 946018 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:2855:60c2:b6a3:b60a JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416196807 405173 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite anime.gif is a set of ink blots I made out of random data from random.org
< 1416196842 807627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION used to collect purple stones when he was tiny
< 1416196862 780839 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1416196936 96508 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'm imagining a tiny adult hauling purple rocks as big as himself around
< 1416196939 883744 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:1413:37ab:f55:c9eb QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1416196957 707606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: don't listen to Bike btw, his deferral times involve time dilation
< 1416196969 530769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly travelling into black holes
< 1416196980 725967 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it do times 
< 1416197008 603497 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh I have a great idea
< 1416197014 909690 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should add a black hole to dbefunge
< 1416197017 32625 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*befunge
< 1416197020 433524 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have to sit here and just take what is hypothetically slander, oerjan.
< 1416197026 306027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: also, not very accurate imagination
< 1416197038 916087 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric : v
< 1416197040 180212 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> <
< 1416197041 398870 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^
< 1416197041 542442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:1: parse error on input ‘<’
< 1416197042 602560 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :done
< 1416197052 601572 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nononono
< 1416197054 509690 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :a black hole in a data sequence
< 1416197057 308176 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it exerts gravity on the IP
< 1416197069 556306 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1416197074 302947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = x in x -- haskell black hole
< 1416197075 200829 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :several things that aren't black holes exert gravitational force, such as your mother
< 1416197078 32237 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1416197083 761154 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and executing the black hole randomly transports the IP to some random point in the time and space of the fungespace
< 1416197170 411579 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Gravity i'm not sure if EFE are uncomputable in the same way, hrm
< 1416197304 471813 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: omg that mom joke
< 1416197491 608819 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was uninspired.
< 1416198063 533644 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :new topic
< 1416198139 848182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The black hole of programming madness | BF Joust scoring poll: http://goo.gl/02KE0Y | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1416198183 101370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The black hole of programming madness, or was it the other way around | BF Joust scoring poll: http://goo.gl/02KE0Y | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
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< 1416199703 662037 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys i just made a thing that reads webbrowser cookies on a phone through the IP address and lets me find out peoples accounts still working on the thing that auto connects to said servers port
< 1416199719 808662 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :im so proud of myself :0 
< 1416199773 121082 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :until i have to type un manually the name of the port
< 1416199789 846106 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :until i get a auto snooper 
< 1416199806 748315 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :im doin things manually
< 1416199833 736201 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume snooper means something other than -chat client that connects to WormNET-
< 1416199869 450624 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuh
< 1416199891 613472 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@2602:30a:c021:220:cc31:eb8a:c6a0:9a3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1416199894 86978 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like a password sniffer
< 1416199916 868386 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :which im purposely leaving out of g
< 1416199927 86504 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code*
< 1416200208 432133 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :its actually very short
< 1416200733 260650 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go to bed at some point
< 1416200816 243470 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it five am
< 1416200847 438427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nine pm hth
< 1416200882 520924 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :9:07 pm for me
< 1416200902 867668 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in a more sensible time zone
< 1416200904 430494 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do you sleep? no. exactly
< 1416200908 787844 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 5 am here
< 1416200912 294229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like our time zones are seven minutes apart
< 1416200918 885232 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm
< 1416200925 226740 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1416200934 763657 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep it's a bit after midnight
< 1416200936 329526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, now they're eight minutes apart
< 1416200942 879916 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :hue
< 1416200953 180058 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm in UTC+7minutes
< 1416200959 676586 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :do u live in Washington
< 1416200984 429587 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to live 30 miles from a Washington
< 1416201041 134913 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 minutes away
< 1416201046 431465 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm
< 1416201096 928014 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that Washington
< 1416201102 433671 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that one
< 1416201153 298852 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Washington state
< 1416201159 954448 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :not DC
< 1416201161 447940 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that Washington
< 1416201164 310360 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that one
< 1416201181 893393 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk wot u mean
< 1416201204 892787 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we really need the scoring poll still?
< 1416201208 26203 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Washington, Tyne and Wear
< 1416201208 169781 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:3840:8c9e:3406:b7fd JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416201209 252889 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK
< 1416201218 35378 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:2855:60c2:b6a3:b60a QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1416201220 937583 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, fizzie just went ahead and implemented all of them :P
< 1416201278 932801 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh
< 1416201287 552158 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:3840:8c9e:3406:b7fd QUIT :Client Quit
< 1416201353 918830 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :The black hole of programming madness, or was it the other way around | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1416201459 95522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stands to reason that that washington guy had to get his name from somewhere other than the places that were named for him.
< 1416201512 154541 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he was just descended from a washing machine.
< 1416201538 69268 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric ::T
< 1416202081 919181 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love skypr
< 1416202086 161347 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :skype
< 1416202106 756777 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :its probably the most intrusive app ive come acrosd
< 1416202114 976762 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :across*
< 1416202145 699783 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much.power over the ppl on my contact list
< 1416202440 770464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Et cetera
< 1416203112 797731 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416203430 731140 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"skypr" sounds like a skype usr.
< 1416203553 986118 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://animestuckneko.tumblr.com/image/102852169768 finally got around to mowing the lawn
< 1416203921 874464 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416204095 608031 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist
< 1416204096 423358 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
< 1416204522 432309 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream
< 1416205133 902934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play this Dungeons&Dragons game, and if I find any beholders in this town, then I have two things that I can use to help in such a case: [1] Box of anti-magic fields [2] Holy symbol of Gxxyuxihuvxi
< 1416205468 422422 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a beholder?
< 1416205553 841274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the kind of monsters in the game
< 1416205577 807431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is involving ten small eyes can cast various spells, one big eye to make anti-magic field
< 1416205597 365323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: Did you read this level20.tex texts?
< 1416205645 488073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such thing will explain various stuff
< 1416205700 501257 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :horsantula
< 1416205721 450499 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only played DandD once years ago. One of the best gaming experience of my life
< 1416205753 632327 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive never played it
< 1416205760 964821 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :elaborate 
< 1416205774 449387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can read it, then. And then learn how I am playing such Dungeons&Dragons game.
< 1416205782 386291 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Aventure!"
< 1416205823 318128 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :yiss
< 1416205832 682204 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways what do?
< 1416205844 398465 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :not many topics now
< 1416205873 331517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex there I typed a story by recording all of the Dungeons&Dragons game.
< 1416205885 26005 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is level20.tex suppose to be a weblink?
< 1416205892 486554 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, nvm thx
< 1416205896 146041 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1416205902 42075 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1416205910 8901 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :but first before i read
< 1416205920 976348 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is Dungeon and dragons
< 1416205922 550380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: It is supposed to be a Plain TeX document.
< 1416205948 104355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to compile it by yourself, you will also need a file dungeonsrecording.tex which is in the same directory.
< 1416205976 677229 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :i s
< 1416205996 780435 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore that hit enter instead of Back space
< 1416206004 368381 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The story writing is yours?
< 1416206009 890835 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1416206010 494312 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: Yes.
< 1416206069 830943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything with a percentage sign is a source comment; it won't render it or anything afterward. The command \note will become a footnote when rendered. Just to explain its working a bit.
< 1416206129 367102 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankz
< 1416206212 142263 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are you up to zzo38 
< 1416206307 25747 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I work on a program to convert Z-machine picture formats.
< 1416206389 754942 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shops are finally open. bbl
< 1416206405 872411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1416207111 421762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know Pokemon Card playing?
< 1416207227 785688 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuh
< 1416207254 724387 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :but before that i have to tell u something
< 1416207273 937725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, what do you like to tell me?
< 1416207277 129551 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Betty white is older than sliced bread
< 1416207296 913192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not understand.
< 1416207340 780202 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :betty white was born in 1922 sliced bread was invented in 1928
< 1416207358 379366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. I don't know who is Betty White, but OK
< 1416207369 568898 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very old actress
< 1416207380 99491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I know
< 1416207402 195064 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, As you were saying?
< 1416207418 186909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up many puzzles involving Pokemon Card, as well as some new cards, and a few other things
< 1416207452 627695 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1416207480 633040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be found in directory http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/pokemon_card/ where puzzle.1 up to puzzle.5 are puzzle games, terminology.txt explains some terminology, newcards.txt is new cards I have made up (the ($1) and so on don't have a name yet), 59eye1mewtwo.txt is a document about the "59 eye + 1 Mewtwo" deck.
< 1416207513 353935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you make up any new pokemon cards too?
< 1416207563 281091 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet actually
< 1416207584 175229 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill get on that tommorow
< 1416207678 995764 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have invented a deck which is much more terrible than a "59 eye + 1 Mewtwo" deck, but nevertheless is 100% guaranteed to beat a "59 eye + 1 Mewtwo" deck.
< 1416207695 183010 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is very well made 
< 1416207741 631067 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill save this to my todo module
< 1416207748 939930 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get on it later 
< 1416207825 269534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of some of these new card, puzzles, etc? Can you figure out any of them, or is it difficult?
< 1416207842 463123 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :still looking
< 1416207899 43140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some of the names isn't very good I don't quite know
< 1416207941 417665 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm I dont know what to.make of proffesor black
< 1416207980 751068 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyways im out 
< 1416207988 332598 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1416208009 480297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, goodnight
< 1416208231 54594 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back. Don't think I've ever compiled Tex before. Another learning oppertunity.
< 1416208343 539999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: Simply run the program "tex" on your computer; at the "**" prompt you type in the filename. Most implementations also allow specifying the filename as a command-line parameter.
< 1416208406 83940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The result will be a "dvi" file. (You can also download a precompiled DVI; it is called level20.dvi and is in the same directory.) DVI is a device-independent format for printing; it can be previewed directly, or converted into other formats such as PCL, PDF, PNG, DjVu, or whatever format your printer uses.
< 1416208410 452776 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I first have to install an implementation.
< 1416208434 504095 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :going with miktex
< 1416208436 936410 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you would need to. Even to use the DVI, you need fonts; a TeX installation will include the necessary fonts.
< 1416208450 764631 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, MiKTeX will do and is what I have.
< 1416208473 722865 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google never stears me wrong.
< 1416208535 349582 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The previewer in MiKTeX is called "yap", so you can use that to open the DVI.
< 1416208582 607411 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. (dl and installing usually takes a while for this old laptop)
< 1416208620 984676 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does  your D&D group play in person or online?
< 1416208666 401528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In person
< 1416208708 525574 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be a good group, seems like a big campaigne to take on.
< 1416208737 944364 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm skimming the raw tex)
< 1416208846 624832 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why aren't slaves ever named Thomas... or Bob. It's always something like "Kjugobe"
< 1416208899 541759 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Kjugobe is my character, and the name is made up by random
< 1416208924 171020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slaves probably can be named Thomas or Bob, but there is nobody of these names in this story (yet).
< 1416208963 120006 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid joke, sorry. :p
< 1416209013 666334 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it started in 3
< 1416209018 319933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brother's character is named Also (this causes grammatical confusion sometimes).
< 1416209019 110349 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 2011
< 1416209035 377578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a page about it in All The Tropes wiki.
< 1416209059 60944 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Annyong"
< 1416209143 538629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means what?
< 1416209198 160408 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry. "Also" just reminded me of Annyong means hello  running gag in Arrested Development. 
< 1416209372 328123 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
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< 1416210018 138212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/User:Zzo38/level20.tex
< 1416212236 466378 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> floor (250 / (40 * (25 % 18))) `const` "Sgeo"
< 1416212237 904752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4
< 1416212274 267935 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty
< 1416212281 429963 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep
< 1416212310 625851 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "a" `const` "b"
< 1416212312 114892 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "a"
< 1416212644 66101 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: K. I'll fix it.
< 1416212719 904504 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "a" `const` "b" `const` "c"
< 1416212721 213622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "a"
< 1416212772 821948 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell AndoDaan s<digit> is "set var" and g<digit> is "get var"
< 1416212772 965189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1416212785 221603 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "a" `const` ("b" `const` "c") == ("a" `const` "b") `const` "c"
< 1416212786 683020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : True
< 1416212820 827096 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell AndoDaan also {g1} doesn't work because Blocks aren't evaluated UNTIL you call eval. You can use |[g1]| though. |[ and ]| are like { } except stuff in between is evaled.
< 1416212820 990051 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1416212840 417847 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 9s0 |[g0]|
< 1416212840 885305 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {9}
< 1416212856 956075 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai
< 1416212857 706734 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Const is associative. It lacks a left unit to make monoid.
< 1416212896 80368 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I should s/Const/const/
< 1416212903 444494 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a monoid on ()!
< 1416212905 656959 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 9s0|[g0g0?*|["hi"]|]|
< 1416212905 896037 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {81 {"hi"}}
< 1416212914 567374 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Now It Looks Like A Data Or Type Constructor.
< 1416212938 446251 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: But only if you take a relaxed view about bottoms.
< 1416212978 986242 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seq` is a proper monoid on ().
< 1416213018 726901 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1416213391 109865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well, if you believe Reader is a monad...
< 1416213859 478539 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-108-110.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416215788 742113 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416215960 637169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/11/24/programmers-price *cries*
< 1416216163 13951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Scopely, a mobile-game publishing company, rewards a new hire—or anyone who can deliver one—with eleven thousand dollars wrapped in bacon, an oil portrait of himself, and a harpoon gun." we're doomed
< 1416217163 940095 :weissschloss!~viskestel@li607-220.members.linode.com QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded
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< 1416218589 201355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, quartz spam.
< 1416218610 307759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The mainly products of the factory are optical quartz glass, opaque quartz blanks,quartz substrate, quartz apparatus, quartz crystal singing bowls, quartz tuning forks, quartz rod, twin born quartz tube, quartz lamp, quartz heating elements, quartz tube and so on."
< 1416218614 772951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all about the quartz.
< 1416218641 965275 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since this is the day of targeted advertisement I conclude you like quartz.
< 1416218650 487430 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like everything I knew about the quartz reproductive cycle has been wrong
< 1416218661 772302 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416218679 845108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, it was sent to the TI-86 robotfindskitten role address.
< 1416218693 692424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know how they've associated that with quartz exactly.
< 1416218849 841289 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Through a new machine-learning algorithm.
< 1416219306 858529 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416219354 644518 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBL
< 1416220167 841761 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Nice @Leapfrogging
< 1416220494 950432 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda whish Java had destructors
< 1416220584 653614 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that silly finalize thing)
< 1416220732 715426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you could emulate them with 'finally' blocks generated by processing your source with m4 and suitable macros, in what would be the pinnacle of elegance.
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< 1416220848 59069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do have the try-with thing these days, isn't that kind of.
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< 1416221259 407811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try-with?
< 1416221475 121888 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-znjqikkzwgjehfgo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1416221536 727807 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: try-with statements
< 1416221537 663476 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1416221558 771206 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :try(conn = jdbc.getConnection();) { //blabla } catch(Exception e) { //blabla }
< 1416221571 574914 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will close connection afterwards
< 1416221597 131949 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's kinda that.
< 1416221613 432160 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'd prefer something like...hm...
< 1416221613 842714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works when the type in question implements java.lang.AutoCloseable.
< 1416221625 700669 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoclose Connection conn = jdbc.getConnection();
< 1416221638 843027 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe you want python-like with blocks?
< 1416221641 117608 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where autoclose instructs the compiler to call close on connection when the method returns or throws
< 1416221645 359461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like Python's with
< 1416221660 395018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't wan tanything, I was just asking what the try-with fizzie mentioned was :)
< 1416221668 254899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ ta/t a/
< 1416221678 715050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There's no "enter" method, just the "exit" (close), but quite like.
< 1416221719 187877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1416221728 235164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the use of the enter method anyway?
< 1416221800 455302 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a possible use is that a mutex could have an enter method that locks that mutex, so the enter method can have different semantics than just creating that object
< 1416221807 237937 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's syntax convenience
< 1416221830 540971 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mutex object and the lock object aren't the same
< 1416221855 679239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1416221869 408897 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :python also has proper c++-like destructors with reference counting too, but this is more explicit
< 1416221924 607272 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more compatible with a possible non-refcounting implementation
< 1416221931 807347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Java-7+ land, you could write explicitly  try(Lock uselessNameHere = new Lock(mutex)) { ... }  in which case the constructor of the Lock would be the enter method, though.
< 1416221965 608232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps mutex.lock().
< 1416221971 976488 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sure, that's the C++ way
< 1416221981 123081 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :creating a separate lock object
< 1416221994 989607 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like { std::unique_lock mylock(somemutex); ... }
< 1416222021 743495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there's a perversity about how Python deals with the disadvantages of reference counting, but refuses to exploit its advantages because hey what about Jython
< 1416222090 406542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think that's really the reason. it's just that they insist on extra-readable code, which is why they provide "with" because it's easier to see a "with" than to see which objects have a semantically significant destructor
< 1416222109 125999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair
< 1416222117 273775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are they going to use "with" to allocate memory too? :p
< 1416222411 868107 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no
< 1416222430 99060 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: memory can be garbage-collected, which doesn't count as observable behaviour
< 1416222437 905925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the garbage-collection can be delayed
< 1416222455 540080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: sure but you can view closing files the samew ay
< 1416222457 97273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*same way
< 1416222458 999651 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas closing a file or unlocking a mutex can be an observable and important side effect that you have to do immediately
< 1416222470 932971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a question of what level you view things at
< 1416222473 540272 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, sometimes closing files can be delayed, and sometimes even freeing a mutex can be delayed
< 1416222479 615324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly not freeing memory can hold up resources
< 1416222486 322159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like not closing a file
< 1416222501 994103 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I guess if you allocate so much memory that you _need_ it to be freed at a particular point in the code, you could with(mmap(...)) or something
< 1416222513 517242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just put a strategically-placed "del"
< 1416222544 709174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :point is, it can have effects anywhere between worse performance and your code not working; same for files. mutexes are much easier to argue as an application logic thing, admittedly
< 1416222559 622615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the end it's just a sliding scale where we make the trade-off of manual but precise vs. automatic but imperfect resource management
< 1416222565 50922 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
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< 1416228171 56379 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq r0
< 1416228171 286831 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Unknown command: (r0)!
< 1416228173 557609 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1416228177 915607 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq ?_
< 1416228178 174991 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "I have 358 non-special builtins!"
< 1416228183 960018 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.7.3 hat 343
< 1416228196 504304 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.7.4dev as of now has 380
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< 1416230641 682019 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe
< 1416230666 526613 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last night, before I went to bed, I had an idea, so I wrote it down on a piece of paper so I wouldn't forget it
< 1416230693 148517 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Data.Group.Homomorphism?" was what I wrote
< 1416230700 137595 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I left it on the living room table
< 1416230712 127354 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my housemates has written "No." underneath
< 1416230735 836214 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have added "and a glas of milk please"
< 1416230839 626712 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I drank so many glasses of milk last night...
< 1416230949 286543 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like an odd thing to brag about but ok...
< 1416230993 823251 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually rarely drink milk
< 1416231013 886866 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's less bragging, closer to regret
< 1416231025 775213 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I drink too much milk :(
< 1416231027 692504 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't sleep?
< 1416231071 896452 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1416231078 302875 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Went to bed after 5 AM
< 1416231080 521876 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think at certain times I lay hours in bed thinking I'm sleeping and dreaming but I'm actually awake
< 1416231088 148219 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Malbolge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41020&oldid=39476 5* 03TomPN 5* (+192) 10
< 1416231110 891034 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also had a weird dream...
< 1416231119 833353 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had Muse and George R. R. Martin in it
< 1416231270 573225 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But waking up at 20 past 1 is great when you have lectures at half 10 and half 11
< 1416231555 912596 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:20am?
< 1416231564 386302 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1416231571 44681 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you went to bed at 5 AM o_O
< 1416231608 876300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please, Taneb has nothing on my sleep
< 1416231678 43777 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The programming hole of black madness"?
< 1416231686 578360 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The black programming of hole madness"?
< 1416232514 642280 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1416233035 921004 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The black hole mattress of sound sleep.
< 1416233392 912471 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like black madness.
< 1416233417 168972 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append mroman He also likes black madness.
< 1416233420 371994 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'mroman': mroman is a leading artist in password security (SFW) He also likes black madness.
< 1416233509 655261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/ He/. He/' wisdom/mroman
< 1416233511 174342 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1416233594 621012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mroman
< 1416233595 450731 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman is a leading artist in password security (SFW). He also likes black madness.
< 1416233784 550503 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpwhhmkbwdyufusb JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416234143 342393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I recommended just doubling the password instead of using salts.
< 1416234169 159534 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. h'(p) = h(p+p) instead of h'(p) = h(salt+p)
< 1416234185 114002 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doubles your password security.
< 1416234189 747883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1416234250 902295 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least doubles.
< 1416234259 688729 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the attacker doesn't know the salt this way!
< 1416234272 142458 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :storing the salt in plaintext is giving it to the attacker for free
< 1416234287 68549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is some weak trolling :p
< 1416234304 746741 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But the idea is somewhat decent.
< 1416234335 218108 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-disclosed salts make it harder to crack the password.
< 1416234367 501699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've had enough password security discussions with you for a lifetime :p
< 1416234389 636922 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My more advanced password system uses h'(p) = h(h(p)+p) of course.
< 1416234413 365582 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :p+p isn't very strong for two character passwords .
< 1416234428 254286 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :protip: don't try to make up your own
< 1416234464 821753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's my favourite passwod system hash(p) = md1(md2(md3(md4(md5(p)))))
< 1416234478 191429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you can see it's 1*2*3*4*5 = 120 times more secure than just MD5
< 1416234495 22612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also put the result in a jpeg
< 1416234497 187881 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't it be as secure as the least secure hash mechanism?
< 1416234504 107801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's 120 times as secure.
< 1416234509 325789 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't beleive that.
< 1416234521 491283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, no, not really)
< 1416234563 310076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance you wouldn't expect good_password_function(MD5(p)) to be as weak as MD5, because good_password_function(p) isn't as weak as the identity function
< 1416234564 48378 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I'd be actually interested to know the weaknesses of h'(p) = h(h(p)+p)
< 1416234576 439499 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416234577 252607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless mroman designed it
< 1416234595 818338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome nicole
< 1416234596 585054 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicole: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1416234630 97389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append mroman He can design password hashes that are worse than the identity function.
< 1416234632 152648 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'mroman': mroman is a leading artist in password security (SFW). He also likes black madness. He can design password hashes that are worse than the identity function.
< 1416234650 348328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this about sums up this discussion.
< 1416234658 824347 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1416234672 76417 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can always add more stuff!
< 1416234674 239138 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... uhm...
< 1416234680 185675 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :deducing the number of rounds from the password.
< 1416234691 386751 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :h'(p) = h(h(p)+p, rounds=f(p))
< 1416234692 737078 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o hi
< 1416234722 246871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's my updated password hash: hash2(p) = sha1(sha2(sha3(...sha512(p)...))). as you can see it is at least 512 factorial times stronger than my previous one
< 1416234778 866804 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The solution is btw that h(h(p)+p) doesn't help if two people have the same password
< 1416234784 919751 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a stupid thing to do.
< 1416234788 633080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i sense that hash{n} may be an ackermannlike function.
< 1416234823 884152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure we're giving nicole a fantastic impression of this channel's quality
< 1416234851 65881 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1Jq?+10C!CL
< 1416234851 295458 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {144 89 55 34 21 13 8 5 3 2 1 1}
< 1416234853 688101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for this time of day, the usual channel activity would be *chirp*
< 1416234856 842123 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there. Better impression.
< 1416234867 837889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just wait for hashomega(p) = hash(hash2(hash3(...p...)))
< 1416234902 451080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: good, good
< 1416234927 709377 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean you can only hash so many things ...
< 1416234937 154611 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1416234950 70518 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and h(p)+h(p) is obviously better than h(p) because h(p)+h(p) must contain more bits.
< 1416234998 531136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully thanks to quantum computing we can stack an infinite number of hash functions
< 1416235007 186795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I should stop. I'm almost as bad as mroman
< 1416235023 284476 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea I mean if you take the output of one hash and put that directly into another one you are taking a cross-section of the posibilites because fixed langth input on the second one
< 1416235037 892105 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its really not ideal
< 1416235064 535282 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily nobody knows I'm designig a hash function called Burlesque .
< 1416235097 261953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicole: in H1(H2(p)), if H2's output is larger than H1's then you can cover all possible outputs of H1... you're not necessarily guaranteed to though, I forget what this property of H1 is called
< 1416235112 232232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, larger or even the same
< 1416235129 535800 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@2602:30a:c021:220:4d86:3121:d38c:9245 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416235132 320508 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :<h1><h2><p>
< 1416235224 663092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi though, did you come here from the wiki? (in before you've already had the welcoming committee treatment and I look like a fool...)
< 1416235253 726911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok boily isn't around to ask about body weigh
< 1416235259 113262 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if you are using hash functions that are significantly different from eachother then it would be worth the extra stuff
< 1416235292 890057 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nah I just thought it would be fun in here and stuff.
< 1416235313 109943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicole: you're going to be so disappointed...
< 1416235344 342760 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well I have not been let down yet...
< 1416235431 615441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make sure to keep making up nonsense hash functions, then
< 1416235483 444782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well nicole hasn't left yet despite our best attempts at making a hash of it.
< 1416235491 70778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1416235613 32996 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "nicole"R@5!!
< 1416235613 377227 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "nc"
< 1416235618 607290 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "nicole"r@5!!
< 1416235618 873279 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "nciole"
< 1416235633 645766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble nicole
< 1416235643 828476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's fungot
< 1416235709 661726 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "nicole"r@50!!
< 1416235709 874532 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "nilcoe"
< 1416235730 905394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we've scrambled nicole quite enough already
< 1416235738 98626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1416235749 125505 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "mroman" s@36!!
< 1416235749 363752 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (!!) Invalid arguments!
< 1416235749 506961 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 36
< 1416235749 507081 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Unknown command: (s@)!
< 1416235754 527098 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1416235762 137769 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "mroman"b6b6
< 1416235762 396684 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "17c96b7"
< 1416235768 676384 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my hash function I guess!
< 1416235817 427580 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "17c96b7"b6b6
< 1416235817 656942 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "17c96b7"
< 1416235821 904156 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "17c96b7"b6
< 1416235822 211819 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 24942263
< 1416235839 158576 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "17c96b7"b6b26
< 1416235839 396416 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 6
< 1416235839 539814 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "1011111001001011010110111"
< 1416235844 70892 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "17c96b7"b626B!
< 1416235844 304441 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "22f2ll"
< 1416235846 555426 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1416235849 747140 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "17c96b7"b625B!
< 1416235850 50457 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "2dl7fd"
< 1416235855 128360 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how to reverse that
< 1416235864 674444 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicole: it's r@, not s@
< 1416235872 903632 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abcd"r@
< 1416235873 157493 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {"abcd" "bacd" "cbad" "bcad" "cabd" "acbd" "dcba" "cdba" "cbda" "dbca" "bdca" "bcda" "dabc" "adbc" "abdc" "dbac" "bdac" "badc" "dacb" "adcb" "acdb" "dcab" "cdab" "cadb"}
< 1416235910 462926 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"R@
< 1416235910 697899 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {"" "a" "b" "ab" "c" "ac" "bc" "abc"}
< 1416235954 356524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416236020 977830 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "ais523"b2
< 1416236021 229006 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 859
< 1416236026 616718 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "a"b2
< 1416236026 875229 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 10
< 1416236031 614958 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "b"b2
< 1416236031 853608 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 11
< 1416236034 404152 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "c"b2
< 1416236034 691275 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 12
< 1416236035 684371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that some sort of hash function?
< 1416236039 140336 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsqbot: tutorial bot
< 1416236060 910217 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 12b2
< 1416236061 144058 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "1100"
< 1416236061 720104 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is ascii yo
< 1416236072 203461 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1416236075 966437 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. ascii is L[ or **
< 1416236078 306136 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "c"**
< 1416236078 551975 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (**) Invalid arguments!
< 1416236078 695202 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "c"
< 1416236083 452310 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 'c**
< 1416236083 731571 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 99
< 1416236088 764393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 99L[
< 1416236089 12568 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 'c
< 1416236094 507738 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sort of .
< 1416236110 580664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still can't understand a line of burlesque
< 1416236121 474525 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1416236126 150853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "elliott"
< 1416236126 374403 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "elliott"
< 1416236133 470456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: think of it as a normal stack language where all the commands have been replaced by arbitrary two-character sequences
< 1416236134 372810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, now you understand one line
< 1416236146 720923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicole: the language the bot use
< 1416236147 493797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1416236161 36186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's actually a pretty good summary, yes.
< 1416236233 909777 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I am reading its github source right now and I cant make head or tails of this maybe ctags will help me tomorow 
< 1416236275 738435 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burlesque?
< 1416236279 853269 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are two tutorials
< 1416236296 34227 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/burlesque/tutorial.html <- this one
< 1416236308 650815 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fmnssun.github.io/Burlesque/ <- and that one
< 1416236394 648611 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's got variables and functions now though
< 1416236395 538790 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cloneing now
< 1416236417 707815 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq %foo={)++} {{1 2}{3 4}} %foo!
< 1416236417 997750 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {3 7}
< 1416236447 554262 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq %:0 "age" 19V
< 1416236447 787833 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | <"age",19>
< 1416236450 884312 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really should make a proper esolang again sometime, I always seem to wuss out and make something almost useful instead.
< 1416236469 849632 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually wuss out of making something useful and make something useless instead
< 1416236544 777452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: if the language is both esoteric /and/ useful, so much the better
< 1416236563 306081 :S1!~S1@p4FF93431.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416236564 424563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although My Unreliable Past is basically only useful for philosophical reasons, and/or implementing it on systems limited in a very weird way
< 1416236577 761722 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIOLET I guess is 'lesser evil
< 1416236623 82850 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I do kinda dig the pseudohistoric languages more than just out-right crypticism.
< 1416236662 303035 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 6 .+
< 1416236669 132231 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 5 6 .+
< 1416236669 383143 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 11
< 1416236671 64013 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 5 6 .+
< 1416236671 299848 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 11
< 1416236776 160931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 5 6 .*
< 1416236776 437462 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 30
< 1416236780 973567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION burlesque expert
< 1416236824 998754 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you take the Certified Burlesque Programmer (CBP) Test?
< 1416236826 825053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :juts got spam with the subject "my subject"
< 1416236828 111152 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "asdfqwer" "sgdfgfhj" IN
< 1416236828 355971 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "sdf"
< 1416236833 664870 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^
< 1416236843 72847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect someone was filling out an automated spambot configuration thing from a tutorial and took it a little too literally
< 1416236854 997133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 5 6 _+
< 1416236855 308839 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {5 6}
< 1416236872 710601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For no particular reason.)
< 1416236980 485699 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: To become a CBP you must solve http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?number+lines+reverse in 11B in Burlesque
< 1416237014 797891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I just solve it in haskell and J and then smudge the two solutions together?
< 1416237018 958336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure that's how burlesque works
< 1416237036 397858 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how it works.
< 1416237156 18542 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but you have to reverse it
< 1416237166 305630 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since J is right->left and blsq is left->right
< 1416237170 342028 :kline!~kline@unaffiliated/kline NICK :im1ach
< 1416237173 883817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, J also uses infix.
< 1416237217 950963 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't compete with that. Only have prefixes.
< 1416237220 841619 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq @az
< 1416237221 146711 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 'z
< 1416237221 289747 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 'a
< 1416237249 738072 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq @(z
< 1416237250 28932 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: (line 1, column 4):
< 1416237250 172199 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | unexpected end of input
< 1416237258 738363 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually a command prefix
< 1416237277 986066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, J is a f b, not f a b
< 1416237471 128478 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you can write a Burlesque parser with infix .
< 1416237477 122270 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416237523 165435 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "mroman" z[
< 1416237523 417188 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (z[) Invalid arguments!
< 1416237523 561019 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "mroman"
< 1416237548 157569 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "mroman"z[
< 1416237548 370801 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (z[) Invalid arguments!
< 1416237548 513724 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "mroman"
< 1416237551 463360 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1416237565 170086 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not how zip works
< 1416237569 499360 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "mroman" "nicole" z0
< 1416237569 704554 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Unknown command: (z0)!
< 1416237569 847621 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "nicole"
< 1416237569 847760 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "mroman"
< 1416237571 192410 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "mroman" "nicole" z[
< 1416237571 418616 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {{'m 'n} {'r 'i} {'o 'c} {'m 'o} {'a 'l} {'n 'e}}
< 1416237576 411483 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how it works
< 1416237579 381531 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "mroman" "nicole"**
< 1416237579 613193 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "mnriocmoalne"
< 1416237580 666912 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw
< 1416237584 814852 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1416237597 599001 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didnt think that it did tha
< 1416237660 452088 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "mroman" "nicole" z[ u[
< 1416237660 735556 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {'n 'i 'c 'o 'l 'e}
< 1416237660 878901 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {'m 'r 'o 'm 'a 'n}
< 1416237703 651168 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some complex statitics stuff in here like variance
< 1416237737 112047 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1416237744 180785 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some distributions
< 1416237748 970902 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a chi squared test
< 1416237840 984631 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 2{{?i}{?d}}M-
< 1416237841 220378 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {3 1}
< 1416237857 243664 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a dissapointing output for coolmap
< 1416237862 107144 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1416237866 21080 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that' what it does
< 1416237875 851262 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi"{{zz}{ZZ}{<-}}M-
< 1416237876 83513 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {"hi" "HI" "ih"}
< 1416237920 631566 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi"{qzzqZZq<-}}M-
< 1416237920 874327 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {{zz} {ZZ} {<-}}
< 1416237921 17353 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "hi"
< 1416237938 766810 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot
< 1416237953 890289 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi"{qzzqZZq<-}M-
< 1416237954 132722 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {"hi" "HI" "ih"}
< 1416237955 955313 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. forgot a }
< 1416238017 894436 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi" tp
< 1416238018 171843 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: You should not transpose what you can't transpose. Yes this is an easteregg!
< 1416238018 315091 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "hi"
< 1416238041 179144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some easter egg
< 1416238054 729679 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1 0}{0 1}}tp
< 1416238054 969596 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {{1 0} {0 1}}
< 1416238061 677673 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{h' i'}{b' g'}} tp
< 1416238061 923813 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {{h' b'} {i' g'}}
< 1416238063 551923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> transpose "hi"
< 1416238064 706370 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘GHC.Types.Char’ with ‘[a]’
< 1416238064 849745 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: [[a]]
< 1416238064 849865 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   Actual type: [GHC.Types.Char]
< 1416238066 298839 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1 2}{3 4}}tpBS
< 1416238066 569410 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | [1, 3] [2, 4]
< 1416238071 504880 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1 2}{3 4}}tpSP
< 1416238071 743618 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "1 3\n2 4"
< 1416238074 336281 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1 2}{3 4}}tpsp
< 1416238074 543840 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 1 3
< 1416238074 687255 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 2 4
< 1416238080 352121 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1 2}{3 4}}sp
< 1416238080 617126 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 1 2
< 1416238080 760270 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 3 4
< 1416238084 953709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 3 tbsp
< 1416238085 253540 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (SP) Invalid arguments!
< 1416238085 396540 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Unknown command: (tb)!
< 1416238085 397653 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 3
< 1416238089 943556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :burlesque is useless for cooking
< 1416238095 390117 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :tb?
< 1416238101 148192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbsp = tablespoon
< 1416238107 146173 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1416238118 609229 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 3itbsp^
< 1416238118 858192 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Sh
< 1416238119 1134 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "\n"
< 1416238119 12316 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 3
< 1416238129 879601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3i tablespoons...
< 1416238134 501684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one complex recipe
< 1416238166 423451 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{h' i'}{b' ee}} cp
< 1416238166 691607 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (cp) Invalid arguments!
< 1416238166 836672 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {{h' i'} {b' ee}}
< 1416238174 658303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, that was funny :(
< 1416238191 821942 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {'h 'i}{'b ee}cp
< 1416238192 208109 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {{'h 'b} {'h ee} {'i 'b} {'i ee}}
< 1416238205 124335 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {'h 'i}{'b ee}cpsp
< 1416238205 356157 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | h b
< 1416238205 499725 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | h ee
< 1416238205 499844 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | i b
< 1416238231 674875 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sp is used to pretty print 2d arrays)
< 1416238237 52866 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{3.4 5}{4 ee}} cp
< 1416238237 284795 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (cp) Invalid arguments!
< 1416238237 427955 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {{3.4 5} {4 ee}}
< 1416238249 617698 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicole: cp wants two lists
< 1416238254 844727 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you give it a list containing two lists
< 1416238259 374623 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1416238267 178630 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {3.4 5}{4 ee} cpsp
< 1416238267 414055 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 3.4 4
< 1416238267 557273 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 3.4 ee
< 1416238267 557395 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 5 4
< 1416238333 952414 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{3.4 5}{9 ee}} {{7 8}{pi 6.1} cp
< 1416238334 203529 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: (line 1, column 34):
< 1416238334 347068 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | unexpected end of input
< 1416238334 347187 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | expecting "%", "g", "s", "S", "m{", "q", "{", "\"", "-", digit, "'", "(", "y" or "}"
< 1416238345 668100 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{3.4 5}{9 ee}} {{7 8}{pi 6.1}} cpsp
< 1416238345 934792 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | [3.4, 5] [7, 8]
< 1416238346 78820 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | [3.4, 5] [pi, 6.1]
< 1416238346 78947 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | [9, ee] [7, 8]
< 1416238367 162969 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was kinda wanting the crossproduct
< 1416238396 53998 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the crossproduct
< 1416238407 779366 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{3.4 5}{9 ee}} {{7 8}{pi 6.1}} )cpsp
< 1416238407 984252 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | [Sh, "\n", ERROR: Burlesque: (cp) Invalid arguments!, "\n", "7 8", "\n", Sh, "\n", ERROR: Burlesque: (cp) Invalid arguments!, "\n", "pi 6.1"]
< 1416238408 127453 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {{3.4 5} {9 ee}}
< 1416238427 600090 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{3.4 5}{9 ee}} {{7 8}{pi 6.1}} {p^cp}m[sp
< 1416238427 857776 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | [Sh, "\n", ERROR: Burlesque: (cp) Invalid arguments!, "\n", Sh, "\n", 7, "\n", Sh, "\n", 8, "\n", Sh, "\n", ERROR: Burlesque: (cp) Invalid arguments!, "\n", Sh, "\n", pi, "\n", Sh, "\n", 6.1]
< 1416238428 1011 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {{3.4 5} {9 ee}}
< 1416238429 896997 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1416238438 935263 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{3.4 5}{9 ee}} {{7 8}{pi 6.1}}cp)cpsp
< 1416238439 155154 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | [Sh, "\n", ERROR: Burlesque: (cp) Invalid arguments!, "\n", "[3.4, 5] [7, 8]", "\n", Sh, "\n", ERROR: Burlesque: (cp) Invalid arguments!, "\n", "[3.4, 5] [pi, 6.1]", "\n", Sh, "\n", ERROR: Burlesque: (cp) Invalid arguments!, "\n", "[9, ee] [7, 8]", "\n", S
< 1416238441 365053 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{3.4 5}{9 ee}} {{7 8}{pi 6.1}}cp)cp
< 1416238441 608902 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {ERROR: Burlesque: (cp) Invalid arguments! {{3.4 5} {7 8}} ERROR: Burlesque: (cp) Invalid arguments! {{3.4 5} {pi 6.1}} ERROR: Burlesque: (cp) Invalid arguments! {{9 ee} {7 8}} ERROR: Burlesque: (cp) Invalid arguments! {{9 ee} {pi 6.1}}}
< 1416238443 841380 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{3.4 5}{9 ee}} {{7 8}{pi 6.1}}cp
< 1416238444 117276 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {{{3.4 5} {7 8}} {{3.4 5} {pi 6.1}} {{9 ee} {7 8}} {{9 ee} {pi 6.1}}}
< 1416238451 165171 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{3.4 5}{9 ee}} {{7 8}{pi 6.1}}cp{p^cp}m[
< 1416238451 410596 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {{{7 3.4} {7 5} {8 3.4} {8 5}} {{pi 3.4} {pi 5} {6.1 3.4} {6.1 5}} {{7 9} {7 ee} {8 9} {8 ee}} {{pi 9} {pi ee} {6.1 9} {6.1 ee}}}
< 1416238453 790147 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{3.4 5}{9 ee}} {{7 8}{pi 6.1}}cp{p^cp}m[sp
< 1416238454 42164 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | [7, 3.4] [7, 5] [8, 3.4] [8, 5]
< 1416238454 185491 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | [pi, 3.4] [pi, 5] [6.1, 3.4] [6.1, 5]
< 1416238454 185616 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | [7, 9] [7, ee] [8, 9] [8, ee]
< 1416238460 115639 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe like that.
< 1416238513 97790 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ee and pi aren't parse level constants
< 1416238515 874621 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {ee}
< 1416238516 107265 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {ee}
< 1416238517 457669 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs
< 1416238521 471488 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq |[ee]|
< 1416238521 746882 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {2.718281828459045}
< 1416238531 29894 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a new feature of 1.7.4
< 1416238538 714472 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not documented yet.
< 1416238547 702277 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::V
< 1416238598 303662 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {3 -3 1} {-12 12 -4} cpsp
< 1416238598 540151 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 3 -12
< 1416238598 683563 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 3 12
< 1416238598 683702 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 3 -4
< 1416238617 157033 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope that is suppoed to equal 0
< 1416238621 858136 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {3 -3 1} {-12 12 -4} cp
< 1416238622 125650 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {{3 -12} {3 12} {3 -4} {-3 -12} {-3 12} {-3 -4} {1 -12} {1 12} {1 -4}}
< 1416238646 68353 :im1ach!~kline@unaffiliated/kline NICK :kline
< 1416238686 520751 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really mean {0 0 0}
< 1416239144 386869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1416239171 561221 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I am doing the math right in front of me... (-3x(-4))-(1x12) = 0
< 1416239276 488591 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh mai
< 1416239328 542055 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "Dulnes" ZZ
< 1416239328 772633 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "DULNES"
< 1416239352 825784 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416239360 728965 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1416239430 372570 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1416239441 944499 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1416239468 993592 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :byes!
< 1416239476 180587 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye?
< 1416239481 805431 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just one
< 1416239486 651651 :nicole!~nicole@68.225.98.27 PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1416239496 690123 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1416239566 143735 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i need help
< 1416239630 526165 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my cores overheated and broke sooo I need a new one, Any ideas?
< 1416239740 118259 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :On where to buy one the ones i had were already came with the computer So ive just been using those. Ive looked for some but.all are 1/3 the size in how much space it has 
< 1416239812 504010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of your cores...
< 1416239819 308377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean one of your CPUs
< 1416239827 835441 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuh
< 1416239861 308196 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :so effectively i have no computer
< 1416239894 832666 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill just buy a new one nvm 
< 1416239908 552688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...can't you just use the remaining CPUs?
< 1416239949 376 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope :T they are broken also 
< 1416239980 267704 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really only need two CPUs 
< 1416240285 613726 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sad 
< 1416240438 270184 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416240806 66598 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1416241325 289347 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm anyways thats.just my Dr
< 1416241334 461414 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :desk top*
< 1416241466 84148 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@2602:30a:c021:220:4d86:3121:d38c:9245 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1416241734 980668 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?toroman 3999
< 1416241735 476199 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?toroman: not found
< 1416241747 848577 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dun goofed
< 1416241766 747237 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot the cmd again well whatever
< 1416242179 246718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kills a tab for the heresy of making unrequested sound
< 1416242285 203193 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1416242840 452472 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416242864 838490 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: first adblock, then close
< 1416242883 665738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*first install adblock
< 1416242897 392292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't happen often enough to make me bother?
< 1416242930 658155 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :adblock edge
< 1416242945 6171 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :regular adblock gets paid to not block ads
< 1416242982 369196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just untick that.
< 1416242983 118238 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ABE.
< 1416243039 621975 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but an adblock author cooperating with ad providers, well it just smells fishy
< 1416243063 599423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember there being fishier things about adblock edge
< 1416243078 345262 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that so, hmm
< 1416243087 647467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I use µBlock because it's the only one that doesn't use a trillion gigabytes of RAM injecting tons of CSS into every single page
< 1416243158 264268 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind non-intrusive ads
< 1416243174 975513 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :non intrusive ads don't exist!
< 1416243200 171772 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could in theory though
< 1416243206 181471 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be an ad!
< 1416243209 657052 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :transparent banners for instance
< 1416243231 223482 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i hope you happen to click up here!"
< 1416243244 578939 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, say, small webcomics making use of project wonderful to advertise other small webcomics
< 1416243309 279133 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish we had a viable business model for the web that is not based on surveillance.
< 1416243336 630482 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind the non-flashy ads, but I do mind the tracking.
< 1416243363 685157 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(much to my dismay, animated gifs still haven't quite died out.)
< 1416243382 467171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416243402 465798 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do wonder though, whether tracking has already moved on to the next obvious step: just buy webserver logs. Or take them for free (google analytics...)
< 1416243437 223234 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416243439 293461 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the phisher ads are a annoying 
< 1416243456 268835 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, that doesn't count as non-intrusive :P
< 1416243475 158475 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416243496 42041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: have you seen panopticlick?
< 1416243505 705687 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1416243525 891453 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just get the ISP to do tracking for you (Verizon)
< 1416243574 640384 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeh
< 1416243635 854019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADS
< 1416243641 157450 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys at least 22.17 bits of identifying information." ... removing de_DE from the accepted languages, "Within our dataset of several million visitors, only one in 213,892 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours."
< 1416243659 646383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: just use tor :p
< 1416243664 626157 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have javascript disabled, otherwise this would be much much worse.
< 1416243669 769286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you stick out like a sore thumb but nobody can tell which sore thumb you are
< 1416243678 737168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :disabling javascript can actually help panopticlick :/
< 1416243686 618213 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty easy to track since I use elliott's useragent string
< 1416243695 128413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC tor browser without javascript gets more bits than tor browser with javascript
< 1416243732 297013 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's not a good reason for enabling javascript.
< 1416243754 45123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not, no. but it does mean it's not an unqualified win for pure tracking
< 1416243765 922897 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that.
< 1416243813 425893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1416243913 488381 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can play other fun games. For example, Panopticlick currently has about 4.51 million samples.
< 1416243987 427988 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1416244169 539257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 4,705,644 tested so far."
< 1416244174 250427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I'm a special snowflake.
< 1416244190 702015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This was with scripts on.)
< 1416244197 449128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q: how many bits does the exact "N bits"/"one in X" figure leak?
< 1416244210 843041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I guess that's kind of obvious
< 1416244225 399428 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :count the digits
< 1416244245 275874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1416244246 935711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20.58 bits here
< 1416244250 641511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I had a unique HTTP_ACCEPT.
< 1416244284 617522 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think nicole confuses cross product with the other kind of cross product
< 1416244297 427006 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the nice thing is that if you visit the page twice, the number gets smaller. so some simple linear algebra lets you estimate the number of total samples
< 1416244304 427148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Thanks to manually putting 'el' there because I wanted β.zem.fi to show up in Chromium properly.)
< 1416244338 788886 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416244372 845219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that sounds harder than just setting some header to something ridiculous to get a unique result like fizzie
< 1416244391 450857 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then it doesn't display a number
< 1416244402 12887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:09:08 <fizzie> "Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 4,705,644 tested so far."
< 1416244402 156542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't it say the "among the N tested so far" message for non-unique results? 
< 1416244402 563283 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you still have to reload, and then multiply by 2
< 1416244409 89652 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1416244419 217526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is less mathematically elegant I admit
< 1416244424 112704 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I tested that ... it has been a while though, admittedly.
< 1416244528 735629 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, it says "one in <N> visitors have the same fingerprint as you"
< 1416244536 162879 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(modulo precise wording)
< 1416244556 583060 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "among our millions of samples"
< 1416244642 521371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the exact count is just a prize for being unique, then.
< 1416244820 919591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if you're still doing a no-scripts version, at least for me the content (including the "among the N tested" message) comes directly from https://panopticlick.eff.org/index.php?action=ajax_log_clientvars over AJAX.
< 1416244836 822529 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@206-80-4-190.static.twtelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416244953 391398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you're right; you need to be unique to get the exact number. That's funny.
< 1416244966 505988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416245233 859214 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.i-programmer.info/news/105-artificial-intelligence/7985-a-worms-mind-in-a-lego-body.html
< 1416245239 398156 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one in 34,601 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours.
< 1416245282 231796 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's with JS disabled though
< 1416245295 833382 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Js its unique
< 1416245323 370267 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my browser plugin details are unique
< 1416245535 665574 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://danluu.com/empirical-pl/
< 1416245879 457633 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@206-80-4-190.static.twtelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1416245977 522425 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@206-80-4-190.static.twtelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416246118 155638 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION appears to have a unique HTTP_ACCEPT header.
< 1416246563 741120 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-174-118-58.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416246899 286602 :NATT_SiM_!~tlewkow@206-80-4-190.static.twtelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416246904 234624 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@206-80-4-190.static.twtelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1416246993 76089 :S1!~S1@p4FF93431.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1
< 1416247005 814635 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a bad person
< 1416247018 916938 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without quite realizing, I made GHC compute 10!, in unary, at compile time
< 1416247042 559457 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many days is 10! seconds?
< 1416247067 971618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: has it finished yet?
< 1416247069 673010 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> product [1..10] `div` (24*60*60)
< 1416247071 2467 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42
< 1416247073 318041 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I killed it
< 1416247074 672852 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1416247086 680276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 factorial's only a few million, IIRC
< 1416247095 711933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "unary" probably causes problems, though
< 1416247131 624099 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend of mine just won the IOCCC with that computation
< 1416247144 678422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, are the results out already?
< 1416247154 694237 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only winners, no source yet
< 1416247161 93109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a theory that the number of submissions is actually reasonably small
< 1416247182 818682 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> product [1, 7, 2, 3] `div` (1)
< 1416247184 240123 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42
< 1416247234 474132 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, I'm supposed to be doing homework but now I want to write a for w/carry version of !.
< 1416247281 574241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where ! means factorial?
< 1416247292 395136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason, the first association that came into my head was Prolog's cut
< 1416247304 633331 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, ran it with a sufficiently small value of 10 (ie., 7), and it doesn't compile
< 1416247311 725879 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Context reduction stack overflow
< 1416247349 372003 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/114452
< 1416247402 749223 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes. 
< 1416247413 501187 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems useful
< 1416247470 323084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1723XXpd
< 1416247470 551063 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 42
< 1416247512 124516 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna need a compiler that rewrites product[...]/product[...] based on factorization
< 1416247515 210399 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :asap
< 1416247536 753928 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually let's say general rational functions
< 1416247537 518292 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just realised that only had 7 as a sufficiently small value of 10 if 6 is a sufficiently small value of 7
< 1416247578 997048 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey taneb maybe you should implement a more efficient multiplication algorithm and that would fix it
< 1416247595 289414 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking schönhage
< 1416247612 89713 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or fürer but taht seems overcomplicated
< 1416247643 708291 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it's doing it in unary
< 1416247654 554710 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any binary multiplication'd be much much faster
< 1416247662 253134 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. i think you need fourier transforms
< 1416247727 947964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fourier-based multiplication doesn't work in unary
< 1416247737 649969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs a hyperpositive base to work
< 1416247740 317061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. more positive than 1)
< 1416247814 735898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this conversation is surreal
< 1416247875 317968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: half the reason I even stay here is to have surreal conversations
< 1416248072 623883 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :data N; data O n; data Z n; type family x + y; type instance N + n = n; type instance Z m + Z n = Z (m + n); type instance Z m + O n = O (m + n); type instance O m + O n = Z (m + (n + O N))
< 1416248082 706553 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure this is totally reasonable and also that i know the haskells.
< 1416248120 524040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you're not far off
< 1416248127 64301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure that would work as-is
< 1416248147 180104 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you if you want to add an odd number and an evne number in that order, though. you're what's wrong with america.
< 1416248210 258696 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the order is inside out from what i originally thought of, though. life is suffering tbh.
< 1416248252 374974 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit. it's not working. 
< 1416248360 819974 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :type instance Z m * Z n = Z (Z (m * n)); type instance Z m * O n = (Z m + Z (Z (m * n))); type instance O m * O n = (O m + O n + Z (Z (m * n)) + O N)
< 1416248401 245686 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad i can contribute to taneb doing completely reasonable things.
< 1416248609 516958 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and N * n = N i /guess/
< 1416248657 314147 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, binary arithmetic
< 1416248705 408738 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my next trick, a carry lookahead adder
< 1416248751 1258 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Circuit parallelism in the type system
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< 1416248776 446480 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never before seen in the civilised world, ladies and gentlemen
< 1416248791 478617 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. I think carry is doing crazy things ...
< 1416248811 432338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: now I'm trying to figure out if that violin-based adder is carry lookahead
< 1416248820 89605 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'd try and optimize that a bit: type instance Z m * Z n = Z (Z (m * n)); type instance Z m * O n = Z (m + Z (m * n)); type instance O m * Z n = Z (n + Z (m * n)); type instance O m * O n = O (n + m + Z (m * n))
< 1416248842 25368 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even reasonabler.
< 1416248914 447094 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'll punt on the carry look-ahead.
< 1416248920 901183 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1416248966 982196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can define the sum in terms of the carry, and the carry in terms of itself:
< 1416248968 458369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  * `sum` = `x` bitwise-XOR `carry`
< 1416248969 916197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  * `carry` = (`a` bitwise-OR (`x` bitwise-AND `carry`)) leftshifted 1
< 1416248972 166265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the basic algorithm
< 1416248990 605210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(`x` and `a` are the bitwise-xor and bitwise-and of the numbers you're adding
< 1416249026 239367 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how you'd do bitwise operations on types.
< 1416249030 578049 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. I am an idiot. Carry works fin, I was using my function variable instead of my loop variable to accumulate the value ...
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< 1416249055 396646 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got it. what if we just used some kind of sub-type programming. we could have "number" objects and "functions" operating on them. maybe we could evne make "numbers" a type
< 1416249194 787428 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's standard
< 1416249209 231588 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the HT80C51 processor (2007???) from Handshake Solutions" so the wikipedia article on async cpus is pretty shitty
< 1416249251 155712 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«During demonstrations, the researchers amazed viewers by loading a simple program which ran in a tight loop, pulsing one of the output lines after each instruction. This output line was connected to an oscilloscope. When a cup of hot coffee was placed on the chip, the pulse rate (the effective "clock rate") naturally slowed down to adapt to the worsening performance of the heated transistors. When liquid 
< 1416249257 469258 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitrogen was poured on the chip, the instruction rate shot up with no additional intervention. Additionally, at lower temperatures, the voltage supplied to the chip could be safely increased, which also improved the instruction rate—again, with no additional configuration.»
< 1416249266 876885 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this, however, seems totally useful and practical. maybe if those resistors are busy computing 10! in unary
< 1416249301 549440 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be amazed to see 10! being computed by resistors
< 1416249306 441321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ooh, async CPUs is pretty close to what I was doing on my thesis, before I discovered the underlying theory sucked
< 1416249310 340650 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fact n) in Heresy: https://twitter.com/J_Arcane/status/534414254510997504
< 1416249320 9726 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah i remember you mentioned that
< 1416249323 756942 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sucks how
< 1416249351 277459 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: well /now/ it looks eso, good job
< 1416249359 887216 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1416249379 534238 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan to add carry support to do loop as well. It's a filed issue.
< 1416249433 514001 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like, does it inherently suck, or is it just like wikipedia says and nobody's worked on it.
< 1416249440 55256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should see how many ridiculous recursive fibonaccis we've written in Verity
< 1416249443 687738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lastest one makes the compiler crash
< 1416249623 763479 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Shit like that is why I called it Heresy. :D
< 1416249648 622553 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can i say, anaphoric macros leave a bad taste in m mouth
< 1416249651 19797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: basically, the state is that there was a bunch of work done in Holland like 20 years ago that had some promising results
< 1416249657 236687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fell a little short of the result everyone ants
< 1416249664 306509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wants
< 1416249671 337979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mentioned that that would be a sensible result to aim for
< 1416249673 399499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then nothing else happened
< 1416249678 292055 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm
< 1416249688 471220 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just curious about async cpus since it seems a bit like biological clocks
< 1416249736 678127 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :has there been any research on karman streets appearing in multicore async cpus? i'm sure this is a major research area
< 1416249747 809622 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Also fun, underneath it's still technically entirely functional code. Heresy's for is a recursive list eater, even carry is just passing one of the optional arguments to the next recursion.
< 1416250227 43641 :S1!~S1@p4FF9288E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416250642 343156 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh maaan. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Rare-Vintage-Gimix-Ghost-6809-computer-OS-9-GMX-I-complete-original-box-extras-/231387896256?pt=US_Vintage_Computers_Mainframes&hash=item35dfcb19c0
< 1416250669 836064 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I've got it to use bnary addition
< 1416250676 901340 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes it so much faster
< 1416251071 696545 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I've got a less naive implementation of multiplication too :)
< 1416251195 105262 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/114454
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< 1416251530 311512 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.167.25.114 NICK :Guest76372
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< 1416252446 198932 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :omfg my power went out
< 1416252767 56149 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi
< 1416252779 330392 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416252782 743704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1416252784 77349 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement, hi!
< 1416252784 220396 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1416252810 247153 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did you ever do anything with my patches to build ick on classic Mac OS?
< 1416252823 430404 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happened to find them the other day, and I was wondering whatever happened to that
< 1416252827 193507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, other than admire them
< 1416252830 782272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a Mac Classic
< 1416252836 62750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can put them as a branch in the repository if you like?
< 1416252859 106485 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, thanks I guess. But eh I don't have time to maintain them or such
< 1416252868 567270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on a live branch
< 1416252880 943202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as a "historical interest" thing, like the DOS port
< 1416252885 309271 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure
< 1416252889 625633 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still using darcs btw?
< 1416252906 930089 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also remember the mac Makefile *has* to be encoded as MacRoman not ASCII in order to work
< 1416252928 423149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ESR ported like five different repos into git
< 1416252938 346918 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 different?
< 1416252949 366941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you should probably read this: http://nethack4.org/blog/save-optimization.html
< 1416252952 142714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, not that one
< 1416252953 436472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2491
< 1416252967 679106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can read my post about optimizing save files in NH4 too if you like but it's not what I was trying to link you to)
< 1416252983 968094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both because it describes the history of the repo, and because it offers an insight into what it's like trying to work with ESR
< 1416253070 651858 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys is noscript something i should get 
< 1416253087 134945 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh okay, I already clicked before I saw your link. I was just going to write: "interesting, but what has this got to do with anything?"
< 1416253096 928041 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw your second*
< 1416253124 171889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: if you have a personality like me, it's really useful
< 1416253128 19771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how much like me you are, though
< 1416253138 947667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it as a way of generally removing annoyances, many of which people believe to be useful functionality
< 1416253139 858316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: don't you need to fix your broken CPUs first?
< 1416253141 12813 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "trying to work"?
< 1416253155 260886 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah i do
< 1416253185 878417 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ive been trying to do while i was gone
< 1416253203 607990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you clean them with soap
< 1416253224 512264 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :im transplanting my desktops CPUs out
< 1416253233 941017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is Dulnes Sgeo, or have you changed who you give humorous bad advice to?
< 1416253262 704230 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im not sgeo 
< 1416253269 783409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm happy to give bad advice to people who I think are trying to troll me badly <_<
< 1416253278 129231 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no im not cleaning it with soap
< 1416253310 847613 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why would i have a reason to troll you? i dont even know you 
< 1416253333 46104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: what language is (hh)++["^§"].g[ss.h]+++-[ " ok " ." irc.web_host " ]+++( " * " )-[ "»»»" ] = <.irc.app_module> [ "«««" ] in anyway?
< 1416253360 491644 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :its in my skypes 
< 1416253365 65698 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, esr has a /significant/ ego I can tell at this point.
< 1416253375 502371 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :also its my friends bots code
< 1416253390 514311 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just borrowing it >_> 
< 1416253402 437795 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :"borrow" 
< 1416253419 898614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. you need to fix your broken CPU core so you can code in your skypes again
< 1416253438 893163 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1416253454 973426 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i can just throw my entire desktop out the window
< 1416253469 427841 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use my phone forever 
< 1416253477 816338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in summary, I have no idea what could have possibly given me the impression that you're not saying true things
< 1416253497 377968 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont need you to believe me 
< 1416253513 528735 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just need to know where to buy a good one
< 1416253515 291624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dulnes_example (hh)++["^§"].g[ss.h]+++-[ " ok " ." irc.web_host " ]+++( " * " )-[ "»»»" ] = <.irc.app_module> [ "«««" ]
< 1416253517 14763 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.dulnes_example: points -30.67, score 3.72, rank 47/47
< 1416253525 232157 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_dulnes_example: 6.1
< 1416253527 636694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it probably isn't BF Josut?
< 1416253532 272554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BF Joust
< 1416253542 964912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think it's anything seeing as the last snippet of bot code before that had unmatched barckets
< 1416253545 934590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brackets
< 1416253549 272616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and random embedded brainfuck code
< 1416253564 236468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also the "bot" connected via webchat :p
< 1416253572 958784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was me who pointed that out
< 1416253581 237752 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bot in here
< 1416253583 821482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is, that might actually be a sane impl on Windows 95
< 1416253602 842009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, windows 95?
< 1416253612 849061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, are we talking about the same person?
< 1416253614 636738 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> yes 
< 1416253632 81394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, I just didn't pay as much attention yesterday
< 1416253633 238046 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :which person
< 1416253648 142779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can get a browser that will run webchat on Windows 95, but only just
< 1416253656 214101 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdbhtorfyxlxqphp PRIVMSG #esoteric :werent we talking about black holes
< 1416253661 442412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully none of this is a true thing
< 1416253697 961149 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also consider model based checking for ick? Like QuickCheck.
< 1416253732 493626 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be fun, writing a haskell FFI for intercal so you can use quickcheck on it. Maybe?
< 1416253780 231141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: actually I wrote something for fuzzing the optimizer which is vaguely similar to that
< 1416253782 286745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it generates random INTERCAL expressions, then feeds a bunch of random numbers through them (many of which have significant values like powers of 2)
< 1416253795 565933 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right
< 1416253800 578928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's quickcheck ports to other languages
< 1416253801 933066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even C I think
< 1416253809 411490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sees if they produce the same result on an optimized and unoptimized program
< 1416253817 427480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we found several optimizer bugs that way
< 1416253829 687502 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I know a guy who ported it/is porting it to C++11. :/
< 1416253845 390259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds reasonable
< 1416253857 427987 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, apart from C++ not being reasonable, sure
< 1416253857 678053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I'm /still/ not sure if ESR has figured out that I'm a different person from Claudio Calvelli yet
< 1416253868 233744 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, have you told him?
< 1416253887 839075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did once, but there's not much point really
< 1416253904 407727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll mention it again if it ever becomes important
< 1416253936 291290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you go out of your way to talk to esr :p
< 1416253945 457842 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cfunge has an even simpler fuzz test btw, where it feeds a random program into cfunge (which is set to run in "safe mode", which disables instructions that could affect system state, like writing a file). It then checks if it crashes within x seconds, if not it runs it again under valgrind for another x seconds and checks for errors being reported.
< 1416253975 652343 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, good point
< 1416253996 23891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely enough, I'd made my own attempt to collect old INTERCAL versions independently from ESR
< 1416254001 504193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he has better connections than I do, so was better at it
< 1416254013 133456 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1416254073 596129 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway, feel free to put up that patch if you still have it around. I don't currently know where I have it as a patch. I just found the source and build directory on the old mac.
< 1416254084 523338 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where there is no version control.
< 1416254131 24167 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and if I didn't credit myself already, note down it was me who did it somewhere. And remember the Mac MPW Makefile must be encoded as MacRoman.
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< 1416254159 769117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do you know which version it was a patch /against/?
< 1416254160 87879 :Guest76372!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem NICK :Sprocklem
< 1416254190 836027 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no, but I guess I could check if you know a reasonble way to detect it?
< 1416254226 213460 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm starting sheepshaver right now
< 1416254229 303464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you have the complete source directory as well as the patch, you could reverse the patch and apply it to the source dir
< 1416254249 327393 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have the patch, just the complete source & build directory
< 1416254268 686475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1416254271 473840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see if I have the patch
< 1416254280 395096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tarball up at least the source directory
< 1416254297 632547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tarballing up the build directory is not "technically" necessary as it should be in theory reproducible, but I'm not sure that most peopel actually can
< 1416254320 798823 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, tarball doesn't do resource forks do it?
< 1416254329 343207 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the build directory will be corrupted
< 1416254334 919938 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source should be fine though
< 1416254335 922454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OS X can tarball resource forks
< 1416254342 75758 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I have OS 9
< 1416254342 811269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea if that was backported to Classic though
< 1416254347 834460 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have tar
< 1416254356 695599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1416254361 746190 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will have to copy it as-is to a different computer and then tar it there
< 1416254363 899080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any proprietary Mac-specific archiver?
< 1416254371 724559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone's probably reverse-engineered it by now
< 1416254378 195396 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, stuffit
< 1416254388 236702 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm there is the directory "ick mac" and "ick mac - new" directories.
< 1416254396 280271 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will copy both and diff them
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< 1416254409 595381 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh great there is ick-mac.prev too
< 1416254441 416324 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and a locked disk image marked "ick"
< 1416254450 413531 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus
< 1416254465 811321 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ick.img.hqx
< 1416254467 432225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like you have a bit of an
< 1416254469 283381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :icky situation
< 1416254470 887327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :going on there
< 1416254474 519430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :8)
< 1416254494 807461 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1416254538 501092 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I copied all the ones I found. I will do some directory diffing now
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< 1416254714 970523 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a follow-up study that illustrated the issue by inviting Lispers to come up with their own solutions to the problem, which involved comparing folks like Darius Bacon to random undergrads. A follow-up to the follow-up literally involves comparing code from Peter Norvig to code from random college students.
< 1416254722 670975 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you help me find that follow-up please?
< 1416254731 208538 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://danluu.com/empirical-pl/#wat_summary
< 1416254735 468425 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :regarding this linked earlier 
< 1416254870 557500 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, one of the versions involve resource fork :/
< 1416254879 110696 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or wait
< 1416254887 34899 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there is a resource script I think
< 1416254918 735919 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Are you sure you don't have the patch around any more?
< 1416255027 584638 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh I think this will show a dialog box with the options to the ick command in MPW
< 1416255039 902324 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is neat
< 1416255044 857827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: haven't looked for it yet, got confused
< 1416255073 81436 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1416255074 254710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have a "macppc_beginning.patch" but it's just 637 lines long
< 1416255098 402579 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you upload that somewhere?
< 1416255135 1351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nethack4.org/esolangs/macppc_beginning.patch
< 1416255185 493274 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That mime type, I guess I'll download it
< 1416255208 441050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what mime type does my server give it?
< 1416255235 528041 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that makes firefox want to save it rather than view it
< 1416255270 394962 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it appears that I have a newer version here, since ick.r is missing in your patch
< 1416255272 41669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, I think my server just doesn't know what type it is
< 1416255308 135063 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, The big problem is that 1) I don't know which files are generated any more 2) I have no idea if the resource fork or file type matter on any of these files
< 1416255322 250389 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in the mac creator flag and file type (4 letters each)
< 1416255362 830538 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, sublime does macroman, nice
< 1416255381 810314 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, What is the command to search the logs?
< 1416255395 776386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there isn't one any more because HackEgo doesn't have access to them
< 1416255402 239999 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Zzo3814]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41021&oldid=39850 5* 03Nthern 5* (+222) 10/* Capuirequiem reference interpreter */ new section
< 1416255402 391490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh?
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< 1416255440 891472 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I do have a backup disk that might contain the Linux side repo of this, let me look at it (I have reinstalled this computer since I did that)
< 1416255567 311946 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this might be of interest: http://sprunge.us/OOGg
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< 1416256077 600542 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, okay so I know which version to use now. However, this is with resource forks stored as the sheepshaver emulator does it when you copy file to the shared-with-host virtual disk thing.
< 1416256090 953745 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if this is useful for anyone using a real mac
< 1416256104 746956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if all this is useful even for someone running Linux
< 1416256134 316244 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And on my real mac I only have stuffit for compressing it. Also there are no build instructions anywhere, except for esolang logs I guess. I certainly have no idea how to build it any more.
< 1416256238 630110 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm writing a short read me with the stuff I know about (not much at this point) then sending it to you
< 1416257108 813910 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: https://www.dropbox.com/s/65xc2m46wu3itih/ick-mac_final.tar.xz?dl=0
< 1416257171 872030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, another website that claims to require JavaScript, but actually doesn't
< 1416257178 656841 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Hope you can figure out which version it is based on (probably a darcs revision, not a specific release)
< 1416257189 111178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ooh, I have an ick-mack-patches directory too
< 1416257194 486730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ick-mac-patches
< 1416257198 741877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I didn't notice last time I looked
< 1416257206 117881 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, okay? I have no idea about that
< 1416257226 598642 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I do think some of the source is patched to fix issues with path generation
< 1416257238 488097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what's the README actually named?
< 1416257244 478450 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it one of those that include a CSS file that hides most contents?
< 1416257249 3456 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, macppc/README
< 1416257268 980897 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, macppc/Makefile *must be MacRoman*
< 1416257280 640880 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it looks like it contains weird letters, because it does
< 1416257290 408677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ick_createdata thing looks like a bug that should be fixed
< 1416257296 589841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you've gone on about this encoding thing like 10 times now
< 1416257300 34545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like iconv doesn't exist
< 1416257319 997376 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, just treat it as a binary file is probably best.
< 1416257360 810635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, hmm, iconv doesn't know the name "macroman"
< 1416257389 153222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's just called "macintosh"
< 1416257389 489818 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1416257395 807986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SysLibs       = {ShareDir}syslib.i      ∂
< 1416257399 157717 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1416257402 199867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the correct transcode to UTF-8?
< 1416257410 101264 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ∂ is line continuation \ 
< 1416257414 212468 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is another character too
< 1416257431 138397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ObjDir} ƒ {SrcDir} {PreBDir} {GenSrcDir}
< 1416257432 892816 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1416257433 977323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who designed this syntax
< 1416257440 218126 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I have no idea
< 1416257454 90944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like British people using ¬ and £ in language definitions because they don't know better
< 1416257464 904257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I think ¬ is on UK keyboards because it's in EBCDIC?)
< 1416257473 236794 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also there is ƒƒ but I don't remember how it differs. ƒƒƒ even i think?
< 1416257488 791462 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat114.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortissimoissimo is louder, duh
< 1416257508 959126 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway if you can commit it as a binary file it is probably best to do so, saves people from having to re-encode it if they want to use it.
< 1416257539 954920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, according to Wikipedia, there is actually also a capital Ƒ
< 1416257597 254976 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine, yes the make file is louder :P
< 1416257605 401746 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in MPW make files!?
< 1416257610 256762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia also has dire warnings about confusing the character in the Makefile with ʄ
< 1416257612 977456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, just in general
< 1416257629 817040 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wikipedia has a page on MPW make files?
< 1416257632 595658 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where!?
< 1416257633 275177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1416257638 738837 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1416257638 980263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a page on ƒ though
< 1416257641 205151 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1416257668 95590 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you should look at the comment near the top of uncommon.c where it deals with path separators
< 1416257680 931219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Wikipedia actually has two paragraphs on MPW make files
< 1416257683 242323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_Programmer%27s_Workshop#Writing_MPW_tools
< 1416257717 997704 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yep I basically build ick as an MPW tool
< 1416257729 265499 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise there would be no command line argument support
< 1416257752 733977 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, after reading uncommon.c you will ask again "who designed this syntax"
< 1416257817 745560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, this is pretty similar to Wikipedia escaping syntax
< 1416257832 382930 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1416257836 27670 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :where
< 1416257847 529812 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are mac paths similar? Or the make file?
< 1416257851 677970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[page]] is [[:page]] is named "page" (and are the same page), [[::page]] would be a page named ":page" but that's disallowed because the software gets confused handling its own escaping syntax
< 1416257856 181926 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1416257884 597084 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what
< 1416257908 155854 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that makes no sense, what does the single : actually do there?
< 1416257924 604480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forces the link to be an actual link
< 1416257936 353707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than something else that might have similar syntax
< 1416257945 461709 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1416257947 22136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. [[:Category:2014]] compared to [[Category:2014]] on Esolang
< 1416257952 401396 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah right
< 1416257978 67872 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway I patched ick to not generate foo//bar in compile commands I remember, since that breaks with foo::bar on mac
< 1416258013 652734 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also classic mac supports / in file and directory names (it was forbidden in 9.1 or so I think, in preparation for OS X)
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< 1416258042 421579 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forbidden as in "you can't create new ones"
< 1416258129 339987 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh another thing I remember now that I forgot in the readme. ick will output the compiler commands to run. Since MPW tools can't execute other tools
< 1416258141 774083 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because reasons and fucked up memory management
< 1416258160 467132 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC they are basically loaded as libraries into the MPW workbench
< 1416258185 547969 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it would cause freezes if it tried to run another tool
< 1416258216 181938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically a permanent -c
< 1416258222 289701 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm maybe
< 1416258330 121037 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some patches in perpet.c it appears (I find this file naming confusing btw)
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< 1416258365 228871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: basically, the file names are tangentially related to the purpose of the file
< 1416258373 124760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it, that's the only principle behind the names
< 1416258380 866395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's normally some connection, but a very remote one
< 1416258401 111565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I have no idea what's behind the name "feh.c" (which eventually became "feh2.c")
< 1416258456 749779 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1416258472 605757 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google fiddle lose ick feh
< 1416258473 936991 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gitorious.org/intercal/intercal/source/9745c958c4bc00939fd244d78530ad232be61b72:Makefile
< 1416258497 718075 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, searching for #ifdef MPW_C and variants of that should probably help you find most patches
< 1416258500 850294 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(those are some good search terms)
< 1416258598 672419 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, perpet.c line 807-826 might be interesting too
< 1416259228 244404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just bought: one-way tickets to London.
< 1416259230 336114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And § is another only-in-some-keyboards key.
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< 1416260037 669512 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm?
< 1416260050 719762 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have §. Unshifted even
< 1416260059 168551 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift-§ is ½
< 1416260070 786419 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the key to the left of 1
< 1416260085 58205 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that on US keyboards I wonder
< 1416260097 241286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`~
< 1416260097 811676 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ~: not found
< 1416260193 842611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: We do, too, because the Finnish layout is practically identical to the Swedish one.
< 1416260205 765153 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1416260227 558501 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a fairly useless symbol
< 1416260259 73472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The British layout has ` and ¬ there. (So same as US in that regard, except with ¬ replacing ~.)
< 1416260289 851611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They've got # and ~ in the key where we have ' and *.)
< 1416260295 39785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's all so random.)
< 1416260317 430776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I just used § in an email today.)
< 1416260391 735087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the British keyboard also has a second | on altgr-`
< 1416260396 396420 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1416260422 870267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it produces the same character as shift-\ on Linux, but typically a different character from | on Windows (often a "broken" pipe)
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< 1416260884 927007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The broken bar can be confusing.
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< 1416260946 297572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A relatively common Finnish keymap has the key-between-z-and-shift as < unshifted, > with shift, | (solid bar) with altgr and ¦ (broken bar) with shift-altgr.
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< 1416261093 251300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that's not an official part of the modern SFS (Finnish national standards body) 2008 fi keymap -- it doesn't define any level4 meaning for the key.
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< 1416261171 896946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the most mortal of layouts: there's a total of 19 dead keys (if you count all shift levels separately).
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< 1416261355 324286 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the latin1 broken bar
< 1416261362 408085 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :¦
< 1416261377 477544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a mark next to it in my font because my normal bar | is broken too
< 1416261385 44352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the SFS layout also has the worst thing, which is putting a non-breaking space as altgr-space. Combine with the fact that | comes from altgr-< and every third pipeline fails due to an unintentional nbsp between | and the command.
< 1416261426 550450 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, that's a bad idea. there's a good reason why shift-space and altgr-space still has to give space
< 1416261445 419554 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mac seems to generically have alt-space as nbsp, regardless of layout
< 1416261450 206590 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, in my weird layout I use capslock to write hungarian letters,
< 1416261464 703106 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't have to press it exactly, because all the a-z letters still produce the same thing with caps lock as without
< 1416261474 30322 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least I've never seen swedish layout produce nbsp except on mac)
< 1416261480 922879 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and produce the same letter with capslock-shift as with shift
< 1416261491 434703 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can hold the capslock for longer than needed
< 1416261513 551593 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have some extra symbols on capslock-digits and capslock-shift-digits
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< 1416261931 670261 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :⦗wth⦘
< 1416262028 164906 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, Unicode is just weird. ⌨
< 1416262090 333990 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now I can type ⦇⟦⦃«⟪⟫»⦄⟧⦈
< 1416262121 361230 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> it produces the same character as shift-\ on Linux, but typically a different character from | on Windows (often a "broken" pipe) <-- \ is altgr-+ for me, | is altgr + key left of z 
< 1416262125 865633 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so that didn't help
< 1416262147 475441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :key left of z on a UK keyboard is \ unshifted, | shifted
< 1416262150 730031 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> A relatively common Finnish keymap has the key-between-z-and-shift as < unshifted, > with shift, | (solid bar) with altgr and ¦ (broken bar) with shift-altgr. <-- same for my Swedish keymap
< 1416262156 851969 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. u ⟅ I wonder whether anybody uses these... ⟆
< 1416262175 792016 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> It's the most mortal of layouts: there's a total of 19 dead keys (if you count all shift levels separately). <-- Does Swedish have that much?!?
< 1416262216 5190 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not, we're not finns are we?
< 1416262229 431699 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually I have seen ⟅ ⟆ on somebody's slides recently.)
< 1416262238 943775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "traditional" Finnish layout doesn't have that much, at least.
< 1416262308 714595 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> fizzie: yes, that's a bad idea. there's a good reason why shift-space and altgr-space still has to give space <-- I had issues in some terminal, I think it was either the cygwin one or putty with altgr-<key right of å> (which yields ~ as a dead key, so you have to type altgr+key-left-of-å <space>) opening the menu on altgr-space
< 1416262324 214003 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I didn't release altgr quickly enough
< 1416262354 469500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▕block drawing for absolute value▏
< 1416262365 68652 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That renders poorly for me
< 1416262371 104270 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tilde on a dead key is not great for coding
< 1416262373 799159 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the | and the b merge together
< 1416262380 317080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a surprise.
< 1416262384 930749 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, no kidding
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< 1416262426 548611 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I learned to hate dead keys in Pascal. ~ wasn't an issue. ^ was.
< 1416262432 227397 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially bad in editors that don't handle dead keys
< 1416262448 812679 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, oh yes, ^ is shift-<key left of å> for me
< 1416262451 16595 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I just wrote c++ without destructors
< 1416262453 71283 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then space
< 1416262511 417115 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway, hopefully you can do something with that tarball. Figure out what it was based on and then put it up there for historical interest
< 1416262524 155633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hit some issue recently where ~ was a dead key, but also pressing ~ + space did not insert ~ but  ̃, which is not really good for anything.
< 1416262531 904365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's a space with COMBINING TILDE.)
< 1416262546 200658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And pressing ~ + ~ didn't insert anything.
< 1416262552 842256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't figure out any way to get a regular ~ out of it.
< 1416262568 340663 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1416262570 154748 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds utterly broken.
< 1416262588 148488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was some virtual on-screen thing, I forget which device.
< 1416262598 180038 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt-numpad-1 2 6
< 1416262607 642447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'll have a look when I'm more awake and working on INTERCAL
< 1416262622 813096 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, fair enough
< 1416262631 750901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the files, anyway, we can probably make something of this
< 1416262658 564947 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm not around much, dropping me an email might be better if you need to get in contact with me.
< 1416262696 674074 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That or lambdabot
< 1416262744 517434 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :See /msg for mail
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< 1416262781 948235 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night
< 1416262852 985542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, we didn't get DNSSEC for esolangs.org. :/
< 1416262861 633812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, it's not like anyone actually uses it.
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< 1416263188 595152 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :< fizzie> It's the most mortal of layouts: there's a total of 19 dead keys (if you count all shift levels separately). – Now I want to know wha they are, ’cause even Neo2 only has eighteen.
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< 1416263638 266053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: Based on the layout image, some sort of horizontal-line-in-the-middle (1), grave accent (2), acute accent (3), cedilla (4), something that looks like flipped cedilla (5), a hook above (6), something cedilla-like on the right side (7), ring above (8), the Hungarian double acute accent (9), diaeresis (10), ^ above (11), ~ above (12), - above (13), two variants of reversed ^ that look ...
< 1416263644 274566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... pretty similar (14, 15), dot above and below (16, 17)... and, hm. There's two more, but they look suspiciously similar to dot-above and horizontal-line-in-the-middle, so maybe they're redundant. I'll try and find the official list.
< 1416263705 790063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the official list.
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< 1416263861 502620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they're redundant. Sorry, so there are 19 dead keys but only 17 unique ones.
< 1416264115 599646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the characters are 0301 0300 0327 0328 031B 0309 030B 030A 0308 0302 0303 0304 030C 0306 0323 0307 and there's no code point listed for the combining horizontal line, if I'm interpreting this right it's not actually a single combining Unicode character but more a general "add a stroke" character that can produce d, g, t, l, h, o with an extra stroke.
< 1416264162 646585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's 0111, 01E5, 0167, 0142, 0127 and 00F8, respectively.)
< 1416264203 649466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :đǥŧłħø, to be exact.
< 1416264218 788180 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones Neo2 doesn’t have are hook and horn (Vietnamese), and it overloads cedilla and ogonek, because they mostly only go on different letters. The additional ones Neo2 has are: turn, rhotic hook (which may actually serve as Vietnamese horn as well), and greek dasia and psili.
< 1416264308 655408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the Finnish names for the combining characters are (a) ridiculous and (b) something I've never heard of. (akuutti-korkomerkki, gravis-korkomerkki, sedilji, ogonek, sarvi, yläpuolinen koukku, kaksois-akuutti-korkomerkki, yläpuolinen ympyrä, treema, sirkumfleksi, tilde, pituusmerkki, hattu, lyhyysmerkki, alapuolinen piste, yläpuolinen piste)
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< 1416264379 700537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sedilji and ogonek are presumably borrowed from french and russian
< 1416264406 153063 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polish actually I believe, that’s where the ogonek is used.
< 1416264409 818107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1416264423 769508 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ę and ą
< 1416264433 109259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right it wouldn't make sense for cyrillic
< 1416264465 138386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does hattu mean "hat"
< 1416264630 997255 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it does, and also háček, which is not what one usually means by a hat on a letter in English.
< 1416264651 642348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1416265227 934594 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having looked at them in Wiktionary, all of those names seem not particularly ridiculous.
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< 1416267322 414836 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:My Unreliable Past14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41023&oldid=41002 5* 03BCompton 5* (+473) 10
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< 1416267441 896239 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:My Unreliable Past14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41025&oldid=41024 5* 03Ais523 5* (+79) 10/* Transactions */ good catch
< 1416267473 734941 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07My Unreliable Past14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41026&oldid=40999 5* 03Ais523 5* (+4) 10/* Semantics */ fix thinko
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< 1416267654 213164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes. Oh, someone already said that.
< 1416267709 275641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm sorry but "gravis-korkomerkki" is unarguably ridiculous, no matter how you spin it.
< 1416267777 210620 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :“grave-stressmark”?
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< 1416268008 492437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody uses (or even knows) the phonetics-specific meaning of "korko", especially since it has a perfectly normal and well-known word ("paino") already.
< 1416268078 502623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And "gravis" is just a gratuitous loanwordery. And a family of sound cards.)
< 1416268162 463168 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t think any language hasn’t loaned that in in one form or other …