< 1416614413 191285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice VUUOC < 1416614468 788296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's VUUOC < 1416614484 516403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very unusual unobfuscated c? < 1416614499 629089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very useless use of cat < 1416614540 247475 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it? it prevents evil program doing file operations on the final output file; all they get access to is a pipe. < 1416614552 312085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there is no output file < 1416614572 378676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Python's subprocess module is adding the | cat < 1416614574 563891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably for that reason? < 1416614578 576376 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :| cat | cat for two-factor security < 1416614581 947752 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's a pipe already, then indeed... < 1416614588 358483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you *can* point stdout to a file object there < 1416614597 263707 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :rot13 | rot13 | could be used instead of ca < 1416614597 715416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess they just do it for everything because it doesn't hurt < 1416614597 858552 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1416614638 698566 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, are there some new, hot esolangs that aren't just some funky syntax sprinkled on top of boring execution model? < 1416614638 958159 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l /proc/self/fd < 1416614641 322110 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 0 \ lr-x------ 1 5000 878264 64 Nov 22 00:03 0 -> /tty1 \ l-wx------ 1 5000 878264 64 Nov 22 00:03 1 -> pipe:[248] \ l-wx------ 1 5000 878264 64 Nov 22 00:03 2 -> /tty1 \ lr-x------ 1 5000 878264 64 Nov 22 00:03 3 -> /console \ l-wx------ 1 5000 878264 64 Nov 22 00:03 4 -> /console \ lr-x------ 1 5000 878264 64 Nov 22 00:03 5 -> /tty1 \ l-wx- < 1416614663 953333 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, there is an intereting one < 1416614700 400118 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interneting one? < 1416614700 933976 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/My_Unreliable_Past < 1416614706 289566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: probably yeah in the last ten billion years you haven't been here :p < 1416614709 693721 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l /proc/self/fd | sed 's/.*:...//' < 1416614711 398099 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 0 \ 0 -> /tty1 \ 7] \ 2 -> /tty1 \ 3 -> /console \ 4 -> /console \ 5 -> /tty1 \ 6 -> /tty1 \ 7 -> /tty1 \ 8 -> /proc/293/fd < 1416614729 766287 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=500&days=30 < 1416614760 67575 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Casino viagra program language[edit] < 1416614760 250614 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a casino viagra program language. Sometimes this word is same as spam word, so you have to make sure it really is authentic. --Zzo38 04:38, 16 July 2008 (UTC) < 1416614903 15015 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's why I'm asking. I was hoping that someone would point me to the interesting bits :D < 1416614938 172805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: perhaps some jokes have gone over my head here <-- not that i recall. as a norwegian, i tend to think of him as mostly british, anyway. < 1416614978 303640 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bri’ish < 1416615115 459910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: were you around for Sgeo's braintrust < 1416615225 352806 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :casino viagra should be based on spam keywords and maybe email, an maybe bayesian spam filters < 1416615247 983634 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have an email that tries to filter spam, and only code that gets past it is executed < 1416615259 185813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :design feature #1: programs cannot be reliably sent via email < 1416615279 480077 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1416615293 86354 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so make them newline sensitive < 1416615304 186 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR: Maybe ONNLY Programs whihc get caught by spam filter are executed < 1416615306 137874 :tlewkow_!~tlewkow@198.23.103.93-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1416615306 906401 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which I mean, make \r\n vs \n significant < 1416615310 551082 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :this forces progammers to write code that looks like spam < 1416615313 45080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, i mean because they get caught in spam filters < 1416615358 721372 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: reading about braintrust now < 1416615406 313142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: hm maybe the semantics of a program should be based on the spam rules it triggers < 1416615417 414911 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1416615420 762922 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent idea < 1416615445 418649 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh, are there any turing complete spam filters out there... < 1416615464 655090 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hope not, since they're supposed to terminate, for one, but who can say for sure?) < 1416615487 5197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1416615488 663712 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. < 1416615514 354594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was meant to be some kind of joke < 1416615517 509730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1416615530 683605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: roald dahl was a creepy guy who mistreated his family but i don't actually hate him hth < 1416615574 906916 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did his parents make a typo when choosing his name? < 1416615587 965265 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed -i s/hates/dislikes/ wisdom/oerjan < 1416615594 882910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: wat < 1416615608 169624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :roald is the common norwegian spelling, as in roald amundsen < 1416615639 382239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dahl is also a common spelling, although historically slightly pretentious (it's from no:dal = en:valley) < 1416615650 482425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :vahlley < 1416615670 11508 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-011-013.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thal < 1416615690 771227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: are you neandering around the spelling here < 1416615737 417509 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-011-013.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Neander Valley isn’t even far from here. < 1416615772 514281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_and_ it's spelling (or at least that of its derived term) fluctuates between tal and thal < 1416615776 407129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its < 1416615843 61296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 1901 an orthographic reform in Germany changed the spelling of Thal (valley) to Tal. The scientific names like Homo neanderthalensis or Homo sapiens neanderthalensis for Neanderthal man are not affected by this change, because the laws of taxonomy retain the original spelling at the time of naming. Neanderthal station nearby still carries the name Neanderthal, because the nearby Neanderthal Museum continues to have the old spelling." < 1416615880 588003 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :code golf insight of the day: while 16 needs two characters in dc, 160 can be expressed as FA... < 1416615907 930071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f awesome < 1416616085 889541 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you want me to say something about Leapfrogging? < 1416616100 911270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1416616110 218526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be such a huge spoiler < 1416616114 54972 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so. < 1416616119 882128 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :vegas online casino viagra online online gambling legal sites best online blackjack sites usa Playtech online casinos online casino < 1416616158 404738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dearest vanila, I write to you in this time of viagra < 1416616193 684079 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1416616196 637595 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: honestly? too many casinos, too little pharmacy < 1416616208 549032 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll fix that in v2 int-e < 1416616249 619096 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And too little 401 scam, though those are hard to identify by subject. < 1416616265 424737 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"business proposal" perhaps < 1416616295 502900 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"work from home" (money laundering) < 1416616313 388550 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny, I don't seem to get any gambling spam at all. < 1416616349 456693 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once emailed a company for which some spammer had posted a comment on my site < 1416616356 267963 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :an online casino < 1416616356 963194 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: oh and how could you forget "penis enlargement" < 1416616359 936298 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he replied saying he didn't do it < 1416616401 686363 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Number literals could be represented in the form of “I am therefore seeking for a reliable person that will play the human role as the next of kin to this fund which is in the amount of £32,000,000.00 (Thirty Two Million Pounds Sterling).” < 1416616411 606175 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't seen one of those in the while, perhaps the target audience outgrew the need. < 1416616413 543664 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahaha < 1416616415 971146 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg ion thats genius < 1416616561 52654 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mikko.tuomela.net/spam/ < 1416616618 937513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are writhing indeed < 1416616627 371221 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, don’t forget the caps. http://mikko.tuomela.net/spam/am_so_sick.txt < 1416616703 371105 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for small numbers, you could say "Earn up to $3,000 a week working two hours a day from home!" < 1416616762 284830 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :while for really large numbers you can go the chain letter route "Please send this letter to 3 friends. Anne didn't send this letter to her friends and her cat was hit by a bolt of lightning." < 1416616778 590580 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(needs more exclamation marks!!!!!1) < 1416616806 12636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :conspiracy theory: someone already made this language. what we think are spam advertisements are really secret botnet commands. < 1416616847 276863 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which clearly encodes 454462363333321429 (number of letters in the words of the second sentence) ;-) < 1416616912 981966 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there was this idea to encode emails using NSA's alledged kewords < 1416617141 3693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1416617141 304341 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 220020Z 10004KT CAVOK M06/M07 Q1027 RMK WIND 670FT VRB02KT < 1416617152 955405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHILLY < 1416617368 253703 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chilly is perfect weather for lots of coffee, milk tea and hot chocolate. < 1416617568 690938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EFHK < 1416617569 124199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 220020Z VRB02KT 9000 SCT004 OVC036 M02/M03 Q1023 TEMPO 6000 -SN BKN004 < 1416617585 361166 :tlewkow_!~tlewkow@198.23.103.93-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416617588 322809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less chilly, and the snow stopped too. < 1416617593 332763 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1416617593 556972 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 220000Z 24007KT 15SM FEW120 M08/M15 A3034 RMK AC1 AC TR SLP278 < 1416617596 731403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, -SN. < 1416617626 663354 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zlsa: what are your approximate geographic coördinates? < 1416617930 822569 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :geog̈raphic coördinates < 1416618335 710312 :zlsa!~zlsa@unaffiliated/zlsa PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KMCE < 1416618336 31005 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KMCE 220053Z AUTO 12004KT 9SM SCT120 14/09 A3011 RMK AO2 SLP195 T01440094 < 1416618389 992427 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LOWI < 1416618390 181488 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 220050Z AUTO VRB01KT 9999 FEW090 BKN110 04/03 Q1022 < 1416618411 850231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : is the subset of BF complete given by +<>[] and you can only write to a cell once TC <-- i think cyclic tag should be easy to do that way. < 1416618432 888107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a tag system in general < 1416618488 333425 :tlewkow_!~tlewkow@198.23.71.98-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1416618495 415682 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1416618645 851584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, also a minsky machine, i think < 1416618653 360886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just have parallel tracks < 1416618671 895545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :saving each register in unary < 1416618688 363375 :tlewkow_!~tlewkow@198.23.71.98-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416618720 950915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as 001111111101010101000000... < 1416618766 679548 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact you can use a common base for all registers, if you want < 1416618767 767378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :increment by turning 00 to 01 on the right, decrement by turning 01 into 11 < 1416618783 376259 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(decrement a register by incrementing the base and all other registers) < 1416618819 233180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i'm not sure that helps? < 1416618838 366011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1416618851 148792 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may improve storage efficiency by a small constant factor. (less than 2) < 1416618885 639046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1416618890 537009 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tag system idea requires some unbalanced scanning loop like [<<<[>]<], doesn't it? < 1416618924 828727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need something unbalanced anyway < 1416618934 839129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get between beginning and end of each register < 1416618947 7913 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm happy with first-order unbalanced loops, but this is second order ;) < 1416618955 845117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1416618978 555133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why it should, though. < 1416619009 618913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what about BF sans is equivalent to [-] in that case < 1416619074 437300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:20: parse error on input ‘]’ < 1416619081 611952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1416619086 415919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh. right < 1416619199 818426 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: here's what I thought. I have an infinite string, on tape, with an initial consumed part. A possible layout is 1c0x, where x is the symbol, 1 marks a part of the string, and c marks the consumed part. Now to skip back to just in front of the consumed part, I need to test for the 'c' inside the scanning loop (since it tests the wrong way for terminating the loop). Hence [<<<[>>]<], the [>>] being executed on the 'c'. < 1416619214 622036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i don't think you need an unbalanced loop any more than for minsky, you just essentially expand a single minsky register 00 01 11 with also having tag representations < 1416619232 591023 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1416619239 931796 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making things hard for myself < 1416619245 711281 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right. < 1416619257 693330 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can skip to the front, and then scan forward. < 1416619271 372389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 00111111....01tag01tag...000000... < 1416619294 327898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you'll have to do for the minsky as well < 1416619319 535402 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead of [<<<[>>]<], [<<<<]>[>>>>] (and then I don't actually need the extra 0 in the layout anymore) < 1416619320 342168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's unavoidable in a sense, since you cannot erase the bits you're scanning along < 1416619349 473779 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah < 1416619352 784453 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :boolfuck is so cool! < 1416619372 714673 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks < 1416619376 67993 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a fuckopedia? < 1416619384 686936 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of categorization of all branfuck derivatives < 1416619448 847857 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fuckopedia.org is worth $1,355 - Worth Of Web Calculator" < 1416619477 198455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: esolangs.org :P < 1416619479 126063 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I *think* if there was a fuckopedia, it would have somewhat different contents. < 1416619596 868222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_extensions is a bit like that < 1416619680 56854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although somewhat more limited in scope, i think < 1416619727 507802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Brainfuck_derivatives is an uncategorized category < 1416619744 183024 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be fun to make an esolang blog < 1416619752 834434 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :post things lke 'roundup of brainfuck languages' < 1416619756 541425 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 'intro to unlambda' < 1416619784 932448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: mark chu-carroll made some esolang blog posts back in the day < 1416619802 273216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think unlambda may have been one < 1416619828 104464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, underload was, maybe both. < 1416619832 421175 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! < 1416619964 296606 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bitwise Cyclic Tag14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41104&oldid=37454 5* 03212.95.7.136 5* (+65) 10/* Self BCT */ link < 1416620130 445924 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, should that https be http, hmmmmmm < 1416620131 548663 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll let oerjan decide. < 1416620440 257982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you can do [[wikipedia:Foo|...]] < 1416620664 182235 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :obscure. < 1416620690 942643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i've mentioned i dislike that those links look internal < 1416620701 403420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: didn't I add an icon for them? < 1416620712 410400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible. < 1416620717 971494 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe but there isn't one < 1416620754 462227 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as can be seen at the bottom of https://esolangs.org/wiki/Bitwise_Cyclic_Tag) < 1416620776 262593 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I would prefer the https link btw but the resulting icon is irritating.) < 1416620865 333760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm clearly it should use https in the link if you're viewing esolang through it < 1416620868 342387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't < 1416620880 505709 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wonder why would Mediawiki would treat Wikipedia special in any way ;-) ) < 1416620887 210580 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/would// < 1416620891 633328 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ / / < 1416620922 986495 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the BCT patterns are very beautiful < 1416620926 752490 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41104&oldid=37454#BCT_programs < 1416620948 937806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it doesn't < 1416620953 127362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interwiki mechanism is general < 1416620959 187119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of things you can put there < 1416620966 68720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie could add more, even < 1416621006 398312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is btw something that predates wikipedia -- interwiki links come from wikis that look like c2 :p < 1416621129 402822 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. http://www.cnbc.com/id/102207790 ... so rather than having Google track me so it can display ads, now I'm letting it track me so that it knows not to show me any? ... < 1416621144 867672 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And pay for it, too.) < 1416621232 626971 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not to mention that this is an extortion scheme. "Pretty websites you're viewing there, would be a shame if they were disfigured by annouying banners...") < 1416621676 77601 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416621676 77800 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416621676 471370 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416621676 471493 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416621677 192170 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416621677 192290 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416621678 277027 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416621680 378884 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416621684 315604 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416621686 178266 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bmnncthbtfcnezwk QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416621686 737426 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416621687 961383 :zlsa!~zlsa@unaffiliated/zlsa QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416621688 115482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416621688 658757 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-188-109-011-013.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416621844 584161 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1416621962 956856 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1416622255 599226 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1416622378 942715 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xpwdglvvhatfcgxc JOIN :#esoteric < 1416623495 529804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, dmm, you cannot start an annotation with "It's a little known fact that" and _not_ include a horrible pun... < 1416623517 148735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dmm? < 1416623525 250066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :david morgan-mar hth < 1416623594 92687 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416623594 240687 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1416623594 240826 :zlsa!~zlsa@unaffiliated/zlsa JOIN :#esoteric < 1416623594 240884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1416623594 240938 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-188-109-011-013.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1416623603 75311 :zlsa!~zlsa@unaffiliated/zlsa QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416623603 269201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416623603 663468 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-188-109-011-013.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416623607 499263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/ can you find one < 1416623610 335060 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1416623610 479177 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1416623610 479296 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416623610 479358 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas JOIN :#esoteric < 1416623610 479414 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1416623610 479467 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1416623610 479520 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1416623610 479573 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1416623685 440386 :zlsa!~zlsa@static-205-157-147-198.ded.unwiredbb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416623685 622451 :zlsa!~zlsa@static-205-157-147-198.ded.unwiredbb.net QUIT :Changing host < 1416623685 622559 :zlsa!~zlsa@unaffiliated/zlsa JOIN :#esoteric < 1416623719 1256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: am i missing the horrible pun < 1416623731 39066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, me too < 1416623750 272620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by all rights there _should_ be one there, is what i'm saying < 1416623762 124262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't follow < 1416623767 259890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh and in the rerun comment, not the comic itself hth hth) < 1416623771 804508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1416623779 54875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-hth < 1416623782 684328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you still have that hth script < 1416623785 537313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1416623787 289074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/have/use/ < 1416623828 771174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's a convenient acronym for hope that helps < 1416623836 976654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1416624040 912623 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416624040 912817 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416624041 304305 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416624041 304443 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416624042 387 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416624042 507 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416624043 8554 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416624043 723764 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416624080 933909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they're server may be flaky < 1416624083 451833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*their < 1416624092 214619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my grammar < 1416624131 305669 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1416624131 450619 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-188-109-011-013.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1416624418 90496 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1416624418 235343 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1416624418 235419 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416624418 235475 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas JOIN :#esoteric < 1416624418 235528 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1416624418 235581 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1416624418 235633 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1416624418 235685 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1416625833 793327 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1416625938 121990 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SEEKING CHICKEN < 1416626809 821747 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is not the pun you're looking for *waves*, hth. < 1416626915 753850 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In this particular case I must assume that the pun died of boredom due to a clerical error.) < 1416626924 496788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1416627013 861814 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which raises an interesting question ... do puns have souls? < 1416627032 689255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: if i am interpreting recent ghc weekly news blog posts correctly, your recent comment that ghc lets gmp use ghc's allocation mechanism soon won't be true any more. so hopefully that means that is _not_ the reason for its good performance. < 1416627085 428005 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah, you might read it that way but that's not what integer-gmp2 is about. < 1416627105 352755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they won't be using the heap any longer, it said < 1416627122 361529 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point of integer-gmp2 is to use a lower level interface (mpn) that does not do any allocation at all, and still do the allocation on the ghc side. Hmm. < 1416627127 178949 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or so I thought. < 1416627133 956136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This implementation also fixes a long standing pain point where GHC would hook GMP allocations to exist on the GHC heap. Now GMP is just called to like any FFI library." < 1416627186 824098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what made me think that < 1416627256 895966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there was some earlier stuff about how the previous method conflicted with using other C libraries that used gmp < 1416627305 686804 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, unfortunately gmp uses global variables for the allocation functions. < 1416627335 960040 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the C libraries don't deal well with the fact that the allocated chunks are bytearrays on the heap that will be reclaimed during the next GC cycle ;) < 1416627341 222516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i read that in the HCAR report < 1416627416 590351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, do you mean that mpn is a lower-level gmp interface that _doesn't_ use those global allocation variables? < 1416627491 881265 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIU, all allocation goes through this function: newBigNat# :: GmpSize# -> S s (MutBigNat s); newBigNat# limbs# s = case newByteArray# (limbs# `uncheckedIShiftL#` GMP_LIMB_SHIFT#) s of (# s', mba# #) -> (# s', MBN# mba# #) < 1416627523 609157 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's using the mpn_* functions of libgmp rather than the mpz_* ones; the signs are now handled on the Haskell side. < 1416627677 241388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that might be connected with the recent suggestion of adding Natural < 1416628095 315187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that was already added to HEAD < 1416628130 29143 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RuST < 1416628502 869111 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so I expect there will be a performance hit for multiplying large numbers, because that needs temporary allocations, and if those exceed 64kb, they'll be done on the C heap. < 1416628519 757817 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the impact needs to be measured. < 1416628601 855963 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1416628613 446352 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And by "large" I mean tens of thousands of digits and more.) < 1416628639 161935 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1416628895 645299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1416629445 662560 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try the 10^8th fibonacci number ... will take a while to compile ghc though. < 1416629484 634932 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I'll compare 7.8.3 to current head rather than recompiling head twice) < 1416629775 997670 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will be my test, http://sprunge.us/GEMG?hs < 1416629880 255562 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect I won't measure much of a difference actually < 1416629890 627668 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the allocation cost is hidden behind actual computation. < 1416629899 158414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1416629968 698359 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot < 1416630061 498300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1416630102 11902 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk that looks cool < 1416630123 948629 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :back to scrolling < 1416630410 338300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: it's essentially calculating fibonacci numbers with matrix multiplication, slightly optimized to avoid recalculating things (and the P is to avoid haskell laziness) < 1416630451 176393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the purpose is to test some new changes in ghc's big integer implementation < 1416630460 451784 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you Jesus for explaining that i didnt want to look for the conversation < 1416630480 861620 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then < 1416630571 793423 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: I think you misspelled 'oerjan' there. < 1416630687 117098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like not to be identified with jesus as i don't really like the idea of solipsistic pantheism hth < 1416630899 700258 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1416630966 651233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do you actually type into your computer to send a line of irc text containing "hth" < 1416630980 281096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth hth < 1416630991 571204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1416631012 772581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1416631014 970274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it only strips the last one) < 1416631020 421311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i see < 1416631030 206797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it removed the whole line < 1416631030 349908 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan means '"hth" hth', hth. < 1416631052 454574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought oerjan meant «"hth hth" hth» < 1416631063 339556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is right hth < 1416631113 625624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it would be rather awkward not to be able to write "eighth" < 1416631127 727890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually _can_ i write eighth < 1416631130 77188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1416631140 457583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair eighth is a pretty awkward word in the first place < 1416631144 881610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru < 1416631146 231729 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: interesting. I get a measurable difference - ghc head is faster. So I guess I'll try ghc head with integer-gmp, too... < 1416631146 406057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it be more like eightth < 1416631157 351521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: heh < 1416631166 150109 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not dramatic: 6 seconds vs. 5.7) < 1416631244 504627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eighttp < 1416631252 494768 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 5% is noticable < 1416631298 299396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does that fibonacci matrix thing work? < 1416631346 402996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I can follow the computation, but e.g. why should I have expected there to be such a matrix? What is it doing? < 1416631372 988877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: [1 1 ; 1 0] (a,b) = (a+b,a), right? < 1416631374 512886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I guess it's sort of obvious now that I think about it. < 1416631388 709508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(notation made up out of thin air) < 1416631413 115002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make such a matrix for any linear recurrence < 1416631446 400331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1416631483 608715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it has an eigenvalue phi, which I guess shouldn't be surprising. < 1416631498 241897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you diagonalize it or something? < 1416631509 125115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the phi^n + phi^(-n) thing comes from diagonalizing it < 1416631530 820390 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :algebraic! < 1416631530 963469 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :For this particular code, I think of P a b as encoding the matrix [a,b;b,a+b] < 1416631591 216691 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it turns out that [a,b;b,a+b] * [c,d;d,c+d] produces another matrix of the same shape (not entirely by accident). < 1416631623 673957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there's an adjustment you need to perform if there are repeated eigenvalues < 1416631648 269781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not familiar with that thing, but that makes sense. < 1416631663 324021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't like "it turns out" answers. :-( < 1416631682 829955 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and of course [a,b;b,a+b] * [0,1;1,1] = [b,a+b;a+b,a+2b]) < 1416631702 680887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway this makes some sense. < 1416631770 566897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What P a b? < 1416631779 508032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that code. I didn't see it before. < 1416631854 12894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let phi = (1+sqrt 5)/2 in [phi^n + phi^^(-n) | n <- [1..10]] < 1416631855 388110 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2.23606797749979,3.0,4.47213595499958,7.0,11.180339887498949,18.0,29.068883... < 1416631883 51928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there might be a coefficient needed < 1416631919 165787 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :divide by sqrt(5) < 1416631934 795246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let phi = (1+sqrt 5)/2 in [(phi^n + phi^^(-n))/sqrt 5 | n <- [1..10]] < 1416631936 120628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.0,1.3416407864998738,2.0,3.1304951684997055,5.0,8.049844718999243,13.0,21... < 1416631947 74703 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. < 1416631949 892392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let phi = (1+sqrt 5)/2 in [(phi^n - phi^^(-n))/sqrt 5 | n <- [1..10]] < 1416631951 373337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0.4472135954999579,1.0,1.7888543819998317,3.0,4.919349550499537,8.0,12.9691... < 1416631954 183330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let phi = (1+sqrt 5)/2 in [(phi^n - (-phi)^^(-n))/(sqrt 5) | n <- [1..10]] < 1416631955 725985 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.0,1.0,2.0,3.0,5.0,8.0,13.0,21.0,34.0,54.99999999999999] < 1416631960 32781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- according to wikipedia < 1416631964 340998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1416631970 121095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1416631977 637013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds vaguely reasonable, since the eigenvalues are phi and -1/phi < 1416631978 600666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1416631979 244455 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah of course. < 1416632028 490932 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use (1+sqrt 5)/2 and (1-sqrt 5)/2, of course the latter is negative. < 1416632143 301823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you basically calculate [1,0] in the eigenvector basis and apply the right eigenvalue to each part < 1416632200 381989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the eigenvectors? < 1416632225 108584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,1] is one < 1416632238 350117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1416632242 201757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1416632270 314518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION divides by the prime 53
< 1416632281 186465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1416632298 347865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*57 < 1416632325 713675 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor Grothendieck. < 1416632383 865014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,phi] might be a better candidate < 1416632590 177296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what do left eigenvectors mean in general < 1416632603 725793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case they're the same, of course, because the matrix is symmetric < 1416632662 105187 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: actually it may be saner to think of P a b as a + b*x (mod x^2-x-1). It's easy to see (tm) that x^n = F_(n-1) + F_n x (mod x^2-x-1). < 1416632668 115780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general they live in the dual space, i think < 1416632715 27823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're functionals composed with the matrix < 1416632743 941321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds more complicated than the other kind < 1416632794 618924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're functionals f such that f(Mx)=l(fx) for all x < 1416632799 599437 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but you get the fact that the P a b form a ring for free, rather than having it appear as a miracle. < 1416632849 327884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with matrices, you have a basis, and therefore an identification of functionals with vectors < 1416632866 515776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike with just linear transformations < 1416632893 887647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is that really right? < 1416632907 934574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to choose bases to go from linear maps to matrices and also to go from matrices to linear maps. < 1416632929 338532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, isn't that essentially what i said < 1416632965 793444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean is, when you are dealing with matrices and vectors in R^n, you always have an implied natural basis < 1416632990 912386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can identify a functional f with the vector y such that (y,x) = f x for all x < 1416633009 971568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where (,) is inner product < 1416633011 734314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1416633036 591784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok you need not a full basis, just enough to get the inner product < 1416633082 759010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you get to the bra-kets of hilbert space physics < 1416633153 340779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1416633153 922727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which are essentially a visual tool for this correspondence) < 1416633244 602951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even without an inner product, you can think of functionals as having the adjoint linear transformation acting on them. < 1416633259 885245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :M*(f)(x)=f(M(x)) < 1416633326 350656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then a "left eigenvector" is an eigenvector functional of the adjoint transformation < 1416633473 444742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this * is a contravariant functor. < 1416633631 95696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of a "right eigenvector with eigenvalue 1" as a fixed point of a map. Is there a similarly simple thing for "left eigenvector" or is it just "the same thing but backwards" or something? < 1416633658 608463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure, f is a fixed point of M* < 1416633681 809752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes to both?) < 1416633792 271827 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so. < 1416633806 57327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just as f : V -> F where V is the vector space and F is the field, you can think of x as embedding into F -> V < 1416633814 175868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :x(l) = l x < 1416633844 549315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1416633848 99590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. V is isomorphic to Hom(F,V) < 1416633895 7251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then everything really is just backwards < 1416633905 855454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. And of course people conflate those three all the time. < 1416633996 737546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the isomorphism V -> F with V isn't canonical, and does not even exist unless finite-dimensional < 1416634037 628628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or you add continuity to get a hilbert space) < 1416634060 574523 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: amazing, ghc head with integer-gmp takes the same 6 second that ghc-7.8.3 did. < 1416634086 913194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i guess my fears were unwarranted! < 1416634106 99793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(knock on wood) < 1416634256 305356 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1416634263 742615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1416634529 767937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why isn't it canonical? < 1416634534 910165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you have to pick a basis. < 1416634539 103480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1416634693 711079 :dts|gaming!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1416634844 284119 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1416636021 273738 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1416636053 766897 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1416636104 211472 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I messed up the fibonacci thing quite. tsk. badly. < 1416636350 826239 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/hAAQ?hs actually works (spot the difference!) < 1416636439 720121 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1416636456 279111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. I always try to double-click a link and then ctrl-shift-c it to copy it to CLIPBOARD. < 1416636472 663930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I accidentally ctrl-shift-click it, it opens in my browser. < 1416636493 603869 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1416636530 559309 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh. < 1416636578 976984 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/MahQ?hs ... < 1416636637 859707 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, finally, without that stupid typo. < 1416636638 103501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Why do you need BangPatterns? < 1416636644 786375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're (==)ing on the argument right away. < 1416636668 561108 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't. 'go' had two arguments previously < 1416636697 381478 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't hurt. < 1416637124 744618 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So with integer-gmp2 the code uses less memor ... which actually makes sense; allocating temporaries on the heap is actually quite wasteful, when that memory could be reused for the next temporary. < 1416637139 567055 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny. < 1416638008 583142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, are vector spaces cofree as well as free? < 1416638072 915130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what cofree means < 1416638126 195392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although lots of things in vector and module categories are self-dual < 1416638188 729297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means a right adjoint to a forgetful functor < 1416638195 408965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess it isn't < 1416638216 256709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm free is a kind of projective, which is dual to injective, which exists for modules over division rings < 1416638244 629939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i decided that the reason everything is so well-behaved with vector spaces (at least finite-dimensional ones) is that everything is free < 1416638259 591990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the whole "a linear map is determined by its action on a basis" thing < 1416638259 841564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1416638287 282697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is also "injective" < 1416638305 853162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1416638318 101949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a concept for general modules < 1416638347 571101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so the forgetful functor maps a vector space to its underlying set < 1416638367 717475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1416638374 171215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i guess the cofree thing doesn't work < 1416638375 263941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, my brain is too tired for this < 1416638377 379645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was mixed up < 1416638389 350584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1416638392 483030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night :) < 1416638404 497159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'nørjan < 1416638408 632024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ZZLEEP < 1416638459 664835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait, maybe i'm still mixed up < 1416638520 883934 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hm, maybe not < 1416638981 770129 :zlsa!~zlsa@unaffiliated/zlsa QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1416639064 537119 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1416639459 494596 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1416639838 406474 :scoofy!~spirit@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1416640305 516707 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1416642065 78620 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1416642338 129546 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1416643755 806812 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1416643784 521680 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric < 1416643868 107373 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1416644808 679587 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1416645063 434682 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1416646238 607957 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does "Light Pattern" esolang use the alphabetical order rather than something such as timestamps in EXIF data? < 1416648062 802475 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416648119 248872 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1416648523 796458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized that the encoding I used for RLE numbers uses one less bit than it does to code the successor of that number with Elias gamma. < 1416648639 486488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Numbers are encoded in a different way from Elias gamma, though.) < 1416648890 941344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Equivalently, one less bit than the Exp-Golomb code for the same number, since zero does not need to be encoded.) < 1416648978 676650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By Exp-Golomb I actually mean Exp-Golomb-0.) < 1416654076 268154 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1416654264 796034 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1416654467 500211 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416654469 649794 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416654495 891689 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07JUMP14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41105&oldid=17872 5* 0373.184.106.177 5* (+136) 10Added truth-machine < 1416654554 823644 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416654655 808819 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1416654655 990739 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416654658 599525 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1416654689 166204 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1416654738 430548 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416654739 209498 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416654739 209635 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416654739 541823 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416654739 541936 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416654739 541994 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416654740 851630 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416654741 424109 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416654770 368840 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1416654816 986999 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1416654817 173488 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1416654817 173577 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416654817 173634 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas JOIN :#esoteric < 1416654817 173688 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1416654817 173744 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1416654817 173799 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1416654817 173854 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1416654833 369399 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1416655136 808567 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416656613 306792 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416658225 146228 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EPPO < 1416658225 542413 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EPPO 221200Z 15004KT 6000 SCT011 BKN021 05/03 Q1027 < 1416659215 669245 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1416659985 123941 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1416660010 99754 :S1!~S1@p4FF92AF8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1416660186 208699 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1416660683 164169 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vmmbrrjysejozcjo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1416660811 183245 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416661241 664937 :Elohimswagger!~androirc@128.177.161.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416661249 899269 :Elohimswagger!~androirc@128.177.161.164 QUIT :Client Quit < 1416661332 234857 :Elohimswagger!~androirc@128.177.161.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416661437 314320 :Elohimswagger!~androirc@128.177.161.164 PART :#esoteric < 1416663771 759045 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Y-combinator tutorial in Racket. http://blog.tomtung.com/2012/10/yet-another-y-combinator-tutorial/ < 1416664502 38570 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making a Y combinator in an untyped lisp is easy < 1416664512 283298 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you probably want a Z combinator < 1416665138 319885 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be honest, I didn't quite follow that explanation either. XD Once they start boiling things down to single letter variables my brain sort of shuts down. < 1416666667 718126 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1416667303 991919 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, man are BASIC's string functions primitive as hell. XD < 1416667305 697299 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly getting horrible flashbacks to trying to write command-line parsers in MS-BASIC ... < 1416667447 999730 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MID$. < 1416667770 180098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard Forth string functions aren't very much better. Though there's a strstr-alike, SEARCH. http://lars.nocrew.org/dpans/dpans17.htm#17.6.1 < 1416667824 326211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no MID$, though. You're just supposed to do the arithmetic yourself. /STRING can help. < 1416667878 100951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And /STRING is just ( a b c -- a+c b-c ).) < 1416668296 258171 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like strings-as-lists; so much easier to mangle them that way. < 1416669556 159247 :S1!~S1@p4FF92AF8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1416669956 730103 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416672115 856241 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: BENTHIC CHICKEN < 1416672552 980716 :S1!~S1@p4FF92AF8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1416672754 462204 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1416672855 46974 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: thanksgiving < 1416673154 193572 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1416673285 686892 :zlsa!~zlsa@unaffiliated/zlsa JOIN :#esoteric < 1416673583 678113 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416673845 674262 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1416674576 922934 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1416674664 981362 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1416674928 254165 :zlsa!~zlsa@unaffiliated/zlsa PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a bot channel where I can test bots? < 1416674941 933301 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :#botpark < 1416674947 250732 :zlsa!~zlsa@unaffiliated/zlsa PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1416674954 65745 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems dead < 1416674957 879464 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :before there was a lot of bots < 1416674969 165711 :zlsa!~zlsa@unaffiliated/zlsa PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the better to test mine :P < 1416675054 337931 :S1!~S1@p4FF92AF8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1416675719 44463 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1416675930 727258 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1416676049 288224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also #esoteric-blah which might be equally dead. < 1416676062 728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least if it's somehow related. < 1416676619 654088 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-worjaqbhjwugtusr JOIN :#esoteric < 1416676702 39336 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@cpe-69-76-20-231.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1416678715 7867 :dts!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode JOIN :#esoteric < 1416679142 692680 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1416679941 138562 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@cpe-69-76-20-231.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1416680194 52247 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1416680323 731692 :S1!~S1@p4FF92920.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1416680337 818235 :S1!~S1@p4FF92920.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416681124 57840 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1416681831 865776 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TrivialBrainfuckSubstitution14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41106 5* 0368.189.222.97 5* (+1791) 10Created page with "'''TrivialBrainfuckSubstitution''' is not a single programming language, but rather a large family of programming languages that are trivial substitutions of the [[Brainfuck]]..." < 1416682470 82864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure that language literally exists < 1416682703 112929 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416682789 912786 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1416682813 527680 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone help me with Visual Studio? < 1416682830 491167 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting an error < 1416682850 505216 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual studio < 1416682861 677558 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also hi esoteric < 1416682872 672397 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yea it's for my Website < 1416682889 141835 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1416682904 683319 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask the other ppls i have to go < 1416682918 104598 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh damn, do you know anyone in particular? < 1416682931 109955 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1416683024 35211 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at work and in a hurrt :( < 1416683027 699205 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- i dont wanna say names incase they cant help but (Elliot vanila) idk if they can help but whatever you could try /wiki/ /the googles/ < 1416683028 402938 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurry < 1416683045 777986 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elright thanks for your time < 1416683055 884798 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this for you work? < 1416683067 663726 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah it's the companies website < 1416683086 574557 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont know much about Code.. I'm just the IT guy... Hehehe < 1416683095 705471 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric ::# < 1416683098 372466 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao < 1416683107 977957 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more hardware < 1416683110 208028 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1416683113 689095 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :idfk < 1416683135 206408 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1416683141 509189 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i have a question about visual studio, i better go and ask #esoteric" < 1416683148 443965 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds perfectly legit < 1416683166 877135 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1416683177 673256 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry I don't get the reference < 1416683180 529695 :zlsa!~zlsa@unaffiliated/zlsa PRIVMSG #esoteric :JazzyFella, #esoteric is about esoteric programming languages < 1416683190 764186 :zlsa!~zlsa@unaffiliated/zlsa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual Studio is _not_, by any definition, esoteric < 1416683197 298290 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand that.. < 1416683201 831957 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1416683205 670374 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but? < 1416683208 421131 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I was hoping someone could help, it's so basic.. < 1416683232 692665 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask your company < 1416683246 759321 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The web developer is out on vacation. < 1416683256 319760 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think visual studio is on the esolang wiki < 1416683268 809556 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, sorry for bothering you guys.. < 1416683273 418462 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about you, but i do think there aren't that much windows developers here < 1416683284 657439 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just saw the description of the chat.. It said Programming blackhole.. So I thought it was legit < 1416683322 276350 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1416683378 764456 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you spent more time reading channel descriptions than googleing? < 1416683389 584316 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great way to solve problems < 1416683398 248853 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I googled. The problem I am having is to generic < 1416683409 349194 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1416683434 518941 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is ridiculous < 1416683439 793028 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's this one line of code that's fudged up.. < 1416683451 203137 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :then fix it... < 1416683476 380237 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, again sorry for the bother < 1416683483 829569 :JazzyFella!~JazzyFell@BCRTFL65FN002.cpe.twtelecom.net PART :#esoteric < 1416683486 378127 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know how to visual studio you can fix it < 1416683513 902834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :Visual Studio support channel | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1416683540 657737 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0 < 1416683583 570133 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you hate us that much? < 1416683594 80096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1416683614 563284 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1416683655 536699 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love that i on eof the two people here to consult when it comes to visual studio < 1416683693 31663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: we're a team < 1416683697 156862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get a /msg too < 1416683702 970137 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1416683709 916078 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1416683758 227106 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :eœ < 1416683860 749906 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im naturally nice to people who come here. < 1416683865 963042 :dts!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1416683883 949466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's admirable < 1416683979 416905 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: but an asshole to people who already were here? < 1416684029 538114 :dts!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode JOIN :#esoteric < 1416684072 127339 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, I'm just really tired. < 1416684079 338835 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry again < 1416684168 90527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure myname was joking < 1416684347 553025 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im not good with jokes :/ < 1416684706 492583 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ook!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41107&oldid=35897 5* 0368.189.222.97 5* (+97) 10 < 1416684759 75425 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07OOo CODE14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41108&oldid=35331 5* 0368.189.222.97 5* (+88) 10 < 1416684824 421022 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07OOo CODE14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41109&oldid=41108 5* 0368.189.222.97 5* (-88) 10Undo revision 41108 by [[Special:Contributions/68.189.222.97|68.189.222.97]] ([[User talk:68.189.222.97|talk]]) No it isn't. < 1416684941 311352 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TrivialBrainfuckSubstitution14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41110&oldid=41106 5* 0368.189.222.97 5* (-130) 10 < 1416684975 380288 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Alphuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41111&oldid=40406 5* 0368.189.222.97 5* (+40) 10 < 1416685028 439679 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ZZZ14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41112&oldid=37900 5* 0368.189.222.97 5* (+88) 10 < 1416685329 999428 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1416685335 298092 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda implementation uses refcounting < 1416685338 453509 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp.madore.org/pub/madore/unlambda/contrib/mandelson-unlambda.c < 1416685341 956479 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.madore.org/~david/programs/unlambda/ < 1416685354 249700 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the language has call/cc, so is it really OK? < 1416685361 82170 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's ok since we don't have LETREC or something < 1416685363 496175 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a bit scary < 1416685617 143326 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: exactly, you can't make reference loops because there are no mutable cells, so it works < 1416686662 544603 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1416686718 444810 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1416687218 521571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote more pokemon cards I made up < 1416687254 963338 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello zzo38 < 1416687368 934189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1416687376 220359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any more question? < 1416687395 913557 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked your gopher site < 1416687403 547424 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems like the only good site on gopherspace < 1416687515 53208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are others, but they don't have as many things (and some are partially broken). < 1416687531 461791 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might create my own gopher page < 1416687541 922073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is The Online Book Initiative < 1416687586 552527 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At gopher.std.com with the selector string "1/The Online Book Initiative" (the initial 1 is a part of the selector string; so in a URL you must put it twice) < 1416687612 173269 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks a lot! < 1416687617 648239 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also gopher.semmel.ch which has a lot of music files in it < 1416687644 635242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and text files, too) < 1416687834 174475 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1416688271 187908 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow. This still exists. http://www.theworld.com/ < 1416689710 383844 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:TrivialBrainfuckSubstitution14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41113 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+256) 10/* Isn't this the category? */ new section < 1416689793 961521 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1416690987 961931 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416691264 60148 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1416691532 157506 :S1!~S1@p4FF92920.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1416691634 822968 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1416693264 975923 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to play with the MSN Browser < 1416693272 274610 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seems to need to use MSN these days < 1416693299 599444 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sentences never uttered before in the history of universe: “I want to play with the MSN Browser” < 1416694154 40383 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :msn now can open a tab in the same window :0 < 1416694177 997216 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also hi < 1416694190 477268 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is MSN browse < 1416694198 136795 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another: “Sentences never uttered before in the history of universe: “I want to play with the MSN Browser”” < 1416694226 244201 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSN is like < 1416694232 527798 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk how to put it < 1416694262 103150 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :They really tried on making it and its something your grandparents can use < 1416694293 571645 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good < 1416694301 290598 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not < 1416694328 174538 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqfhqgtfjpdzjtas PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really isnt vanila < 1416694644 867171 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a simple geometric and beautiful typeface for large text? < 1416695056 716202 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft Comic Sans < 1416695101 905956 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you mean microsoft wingdings? < 1416695821 426634 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1416697301 993144 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1416697484 754603 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1416697555 271950 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416697844 261162 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1416698948 230859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks to be complicated to me to get around the inability in SQLite to use savepoints while a trigger program is running. < 1416699823 379171 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know you can't cook when "it's probably not still frozen" is the best thing you can say about your dinner" :( < 1416699867 364053 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1416699976 518763 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds