< 1420934497 558471 :GeekAfk!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1420934666 404121 :GeekAfk!~GeekDude@c-73-31-240-150.hsd1.wv.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420934673 540025 :GeekAfk!~GeekDude@c-73-31-240-150.hsd1.wv.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1420934673 583451 :GeekAfk!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1420934891 622020 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420934969 129984 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does cluid still join the chat sometimes? < 1420935036 528454 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask cluid do you still come to #esoteric? < 1420935036 572025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1420935081 358497 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never think of lambdabot, sorry lb. Thanks, boily. < 1420935264 680522 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1420935276 460806 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to understand the bots, connect with them, feel them. and then there are the Joy of fungot. < 1420935276 766403 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that sign is like, evil.' < 1420935283 676317 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no it ain't. < 1420935284 253285 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but provide their programs for free. in sdl wouldn't you have to restrict the quantity of os resources allocated ( fds, for example < 1420935296 982268 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no, it again ain't. < 1420935297 334219 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the only thing i do in mycology to load fingerprints for fnord it < 1420935311 834294 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycological fingerprinting. interesting... < 1420935335 579113 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do google a word with a bot again? < 1420935354 469214 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or get the definition, I mean. < 1420935361 450422 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define mycology < 1420935363 316857 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to connect to socket 2. \ \ Looking up 127.0.0.1:3128 \ Making HTTP connection to 127.0.0.1:3128 \ Sending HTTP request. \ HTTP request sent; waiting for response. \ Alert!: Unexpected network read error; connection aborted. \ Can't Access `http://google.com/search?q=define:%6d%79%63%6f%6c%6f%67%79' \ Alert!: Unable to access document. \ \ < 1420935375 687800 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth a shot. < 1420935385 496509 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there was that one. it haven't been working for a loooong time. < 1420935408 251202 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mycology < 1420935409 264978 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycology? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1420935432 451635 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some definition of "get the definition" < 1420935449 420277 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycology: the study of mushrooms and other funguses < 1420935463 676370 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used a physical dictionary < 1420935471 940839 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe that. < 1420935476 540633 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe that. < 1420935546 5115 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was also metasepia's ~duck... < 1420935548 915124 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true. i used the oxford pocket school dictionary, < 1420935718 470659 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am an avid user of physical books < 1420935734 775042 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1420935745 232619 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: what is your opinion on new book smell? < 1420935805 22829 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is delicious < 1420936200 12622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google mycology < 1420936200 934867 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycology < 1420936200 978529 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Mycology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1420936218 263753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn mycology < 1420936219 699729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "mycology" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1420936219 777373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycology < 1420936219 820603 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: the branch of botany that studies fungi and fungus-caused < 1420936219 820737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : diseases < 1420936419 813148 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.142 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1420936434 63364 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420936755 979485 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1420936985 89769 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1420937036 173215 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1420937039 685599 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1420937407 76911 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1420937519 510624 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1420937675 157296 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ello.co/jarcane/post/NBUlE6Uez8fAaamoHryjRg < 1420937685 154842 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1420939406 431585 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420939406 514689 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1420939664 652700 :S0!~S1@p4FF92C43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S0 < 1420939812 204959 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lpirzemptukoimls QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1420940287 188641 :MoALTz__!~no@user-109-243-165-112.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1420940451 228206 :GeekAfk!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude < 1420940455 302568 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-165-112.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1420940482 285740 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420940878 260116 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1420940897 214277 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1420941141 837844 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1420941153 155823 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1420941391 276237 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1420941559 745053 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1420941624 549261 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have ended up in a Haskell meetup group < 1420941643 696975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it was inevitable, really" < 1420941670 44617 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not yet much of a group < 1420941676 548826 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing as I am the second member < 1420941687 344684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a semigroup? < 1420941709 826130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to work on your identity hth < 1420941751 395666 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. weren't you the one who mistakenly participated to some fetishist group some time ago? < 1420941761 637595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fetish < 1420941762 347306 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :372) oklopol: Why do you have so much experience with hoop-and-stick? :P Gregor: my fetish: learning pointless skills \ 1124) kmc, I was trying to go to a sci-fi and fantasy society social, and I went to the wrong bar Wound up at my university's fetish society Didn't realise for an hour and a half < 1420941770 226578 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. < 1420941779 635581 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, that is a thing that happened, yes < 1420941788 665878 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm never going to live it down, either, am I? < 1420941795 84965 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never ^^ < 1420941812 227535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be something to tell your grandchildren hth < 1420941822 80604 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you're in easy travel distance of York, right? < 1420941840 393223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be overstating it < 1420941849 282306 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, the vikings managed it < 1420941865 179047 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And run a pizza takeaway down the road from here! < 1420941894 463499 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume all vikings came from your part of Norway < 1420941920 216130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was a major population center < 1420941936 735887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not as wrong as it _could_ be < 1420941966 421051 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a pizza place near home. I should go there some day. they seem to have quite the hot sauce selection. < 1420942010 157952 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds a lot better than Vikings' < 1420942020 655901 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which really caters to the drunk student market < 1420942095 565828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do they have a logo with horned helmets, that's the way you know they're _really_ bad < 1420942114 203138 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1420942116 350981 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1420942118 586567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so < 1420942130 70266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid wagner-esque posers < 1420942162 620027 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vikingspizza.co.uk/ < 1420942185 137774 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh they have a variety of delicious cakes < 1420942230 696535 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at the menu, a variety of precisely two delicious cakes < 1420942241 547507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a plurality! < 1420942363 917109 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_(grammatical_number) < 1420942566 173127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :details, details < 1420942626 976992 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, goodnight I guess < 1420942675 470218 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonne nuitaneb! < 1420943581 30213 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420943857 408433 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PARTIAL CHICKEN < 1420944588 803000 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :vikings with horns are better than real vikings. < 1420944633 196192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits quintopia with the saucepan ===\__/ < 1420944641 478961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S BETTER THAN AN AXE < 1420944688 209020 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1420944718 803319 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1420944723 591125 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardto < 1420944737 357087 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric : to fry an egg on a battle axe < 1420944770 487194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in norwegian climate < 1420944797 495198 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats it like up theree < 1420944808 892353 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now < 1420944812 952536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cold and stormy hth < 1420944824 583657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the wind may have eased < 1420944829 830856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1420944830 288625 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1420944834 331763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1420944847 61544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we appear to be out of weather < 1420944865 170323 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the temp, with windchill? < 1420944879 911253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should i know < 1420944969 305537 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you have a better chance of knowing than I, on account of proximity < 1420945023 222889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly i do not have a thermometer < 1420945056 171796 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it freezing? < 1420945060 332006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the weather, anyway. i'm not sure where my fever thermometer went during the move. < 1420945065 949710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1420945104 719982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this website claims -5 degrees celsius < 1420945135 561181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the forecast < 1420945138 240420 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fever? :/ < 1420945149 90089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :weather hth < 1420945218 37470 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are under it < 1420946139 727193 :djruffkutz!~djruffkut@ool-43563765.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420946255 944836 :djruffkutz!~djruffkut@ool-43563765.dyn.optonline.net PART :#esoteric < 1420948290 395783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1420948880 384289 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have idea I could add other kind of Auras that are combined with other types too, in Magic: the Gathering cards. < 1420949136 288060 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.142 QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1420949452 180651 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1420950234 378335 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid JOIN :#esoteric < 1420950236 737299 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1420950552 382681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ZZZ? < 1420951243 735924 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1420951433 599826 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420952186 334377 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I get a random User: page? < 1420952192 69534 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or all users < 1420952195 83398 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with pages < 1420952578 919248 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&username=&group=&editsOnly=1&limit=50 has too many spammers in t < 1420952641 417887 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1420952852 529875 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1420953205 821268 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I do my own SQL query on the site? < 1420953215 58497 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to find users who have a user page and created at least 2 pages < 1420953621 825780 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:BCompton nice batleships in befunge < 1420954322 856580 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1420954557 377677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so, unless you download it and then convert it into SQL or to use a virtual table < 1420954569 476010 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, thanks anyway < 1420956373 176964 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iokywjpqckwsjgrm JOIN :#esoteric < 1420957977 991459 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Superputin is a comic that exists. < 1420957978 898029 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1420959138 863726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented a "remote virtual table protocol" in order to implement SQLite virtual tables on an internet server. < 1420959160 462379 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool!@ < 1420959233 859217 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I have not written an implementation of either the server or the client though. < 1420959483 958802 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1420960324 179055 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1420962394 770009 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitchs: thanks for all the help on anagol btw (you're finding all those easy problems that I'm submitting Haskell solutions for) < 1420962409 517617 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1420962458 574404 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad to see henkma getting a bit of comeuppance < 1420962476 980654 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really surprised about http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Stagger+Encode+FIXED < 1420962571 797545 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mainly because I don't think I did anything special. But the identical statistics are a nice touch.) < 1420962662 950247 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course there are a number of problems that I've tried but where henkma still beats me. I'm evil and not submitting those. < 1420962734 914383 :augur_!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420962772 10741 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1420963096 773072 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-165-112.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1420963291 232810 :MoALTz__!~no@user-109-243-165-112.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1420963998 509964 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1420964012 88899 :augur_!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1420965317 548551 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-165-112.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1420965489 738256 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-165-112.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1420965618 686821 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-165-112.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1420965697 341674 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-165-112.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1420965753 571219 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-165-112.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1420965911 179198 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-165-112.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1420966760 848591 :MoALTz__!~no@user-109-243-165-112.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1420966968 147319 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-165-112.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1420968742 512314 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iokywjpqckwsjgrm PRIVMSG #esoteric :dissapears into the elemental demiplane of Ranch Dressing < 1420969580 701192 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning < 1420969722 510553 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, I saw 2 magpies this morning < 1420969857 37176 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust currently has an easter egg that bloats output size < 1420970093 593426 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google rust easter egg < 1420970094 418523 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTSaNbUgqlo < 1420970101 721456 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's the wrong one... < 1420970408 49253 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/13871 < 1420970570 490215 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes. Silly... < 1420970766 16159 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ghc < 1420970766 150977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :PArse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1420970772 98309 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ghc < 1420970772 141504 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't combine named fields with locally-quantified type variables or context < 1420970780 707992 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ghc < 1420970780 751267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scavenge_stack: weird activation record found on stack < 1420970794 446164 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I was hoping for a more snarky one (ghc has a couple) < 1420970811 574766 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no lengthy quotes though) < 1420970858 630234 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ghc < 1420970858 710649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Qualified name in function definition < 1420970868 468747 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ghc < 1420970868 511964 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Use -fcontext-stack20 to increase stack size to (e.g.) 20 < 1420970889 208176 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ghc cunning < 1420970889 251383 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: even with cunning newtype deriving the newtype is recursive < 1420970915 191969 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ghc interest < 1420970915 235233 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Interesting! A join var that isn't let-no-escaped < 1420970957 472757 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ghc kind < 1420970957 527238 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Kinds don't match in type application < 1420970963 849846 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ghc invent < 1420970963 893498 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Urk! Inventing strangely-kinded void TyCon: :t{tc a5gUj} (* -> *) -> * -> * < 1420971007 21809 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ghc \! < 1420971007 91730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Interesting! A join var that isn't let-no-escaped < 1420971010 236373 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ghc \! < 1420971010 279644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: Urk! Inventing strangely-kinded void TyCon: ZCt{tc a2AN} (* -> *) -> * -> * < 1420971013 176579 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ghc \! < 1420971013 219818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: yi-static: internal error: TSO object entered! < 1420971019 577902 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ghc \! < 1420971019 657795 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc says: ARGH! Jump uses %esi or %edi with -monly-2-regs < 1420971028 263296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When making up the "proper" rules of Aberration Hater Card Game I want to design it properly by writing the rules as a literate computer program, rather than doing what Magic: the Gathering and other similar card games do, which results in some mistakes. < 1420971070 269076 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you use an existing language, or create a new language for describing card effects? < 1420971098 307184 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I support that < 1420971114 111663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it may be necessary to make up a new one. I am not completely sure, but it seems like it would help. < 1420971196 945650 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use an existing language with some domain-specific library you write < 1420971216 283280 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lots of restrictions on what the card and rules part of the program is allowed to do < 1420971234 305718 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, well, if you write it, you decide on what's the most convenient for you < 1420971468 309884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making up new cards with new effects should not generally require changing the program for the game rules. There needs to be triggers too, as well as replacement effects supported, etc. < 1420971628 546395 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, that's the theory. for most cards like Kin-Tree Warden it's certainly true. but experience seems to show that every set has a dozen of cards or some mechanics that do require changing the base rules to support them. < 1420971723 188033 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, although sometimes it is only adding keyword abilities. < 1420971742 626688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you give examples? < 1420972031 980421 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in some sets maybe. but I think if you never have to modify the core rules (in compatible ways that don't affect games with only old cards) then you're probably not doing innovative sets enough < 1420972086 999713 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Very often, new cards require you to track state or triggers that you didn't have to track before, which I think usually requires you to modify the core implementation. < 1420972118 25474 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Also, often there are new kinds of static effects affecting things that couldn't be changed so far, so you have to add new checks in existing routines. < 1420972126 105513 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :New hooks and the like. < 1420972491 118597 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic has some crazy interactions. There are like five cards plus the commander rules that make lands produce colorless mana instead of some color, while keeping any restrictions on spending that mana. And then there's Celestial Dawn which makes you spend mana as if it was a different color, while still keeping its other restrictions. < 1420972986 587332 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1420972996 958608 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But then, maybe the game you're making is very different from M:tG. I can't tell because I'm not familiar with other collectible card games. < 1420973001 268472 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.91.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420973170 113512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am talking about designing the programming language so that it can allow you to not have to deal with changing the rules to track new state/triggers/effects in most cases; the compiler would automatically add these checks. < 1420973182 45332 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :101.1 sounds fun to implement < 1420973315 23835 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sounds like difficult, but ok, good luck < 1420973366 938729 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell us if you have success. < 1420973372 880189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :101.1 consists of two parts. The first part, I would hope designing the programming language so that you can very easily state such a rule. For the second part (about conceding), it would be part of the host program instead; the rules would only mention it as what is effectively a comment (since it is a literate program, the main text with no corresponding program code). < 1420973536 708584 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( "Challenge Death", {U}{U}{U}{U}{U}{U}, Enchantment. If you would lose the game, the game becomes governed by the FIDE Laws of Chess instead. A game of chess is placed under rapid time controls, and the winner of that chess game becomes the winner of the game. In case of a draw, you lose. ) < 1420973559 237056 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: actually, "can concede any time" has to be sort of handled by both the host program and the rules. the rules have to handle how the game state changes in multiplayer when someone concedes (in two-player you don't have to track the game state after conceding anymore). the tournament or floor rules part has to handle conceding so a player can leave any time, and in that case he definitely loses, even if the rules part is buggy and says he doesn't. < 1420973644 41543 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Actually, I realized that in a game with more than two players that is necessary. < 1420973674 29938 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: who plays white in chess? it's important because the white player is flavored by chess itself, but the black player is slightly flavored by M:tG because his pieces are more difficult to remove because there's lots of spot removal for non-black like Doom Blade. < 1420973712 436888 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the effect 101.1 has on the rules part is that the rules have to support players getting removed _any_ time, even in the middle of crazy effects. < 1420973714 109626 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly you play pairs of games until the score becomes uneven < 1420973726 741493 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hmm, good question. < 1420973741 614752 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And has to support multiple player leaving the game in rapid succession too of course. < 1420973754 156436 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pictured the challenger would get the white pieces (but draw disadvantage) < 1420973819 218886 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: all players losing an MtG game is a possible outcome, isn't it? < 1420973827 570822 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: in Casey and Andy webcomics, when Quantum Cop challenged Death, Quantum Cop got white < 1420973834 972825 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes. it's called a draw. < 1420973843 820135 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it can happen even without conceding. < 1420973852 406523 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's just that the game is balanced so that it rarely happens, < 1420973862 652715 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because draws make tournaments take more real time < 1420973899 407774 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah. but two players conceding the game simultaneously is also unlikely to happen in practice :) < 1420973899 589796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, exactly that, if more than two players. (However, in some formats the game always ends when conceding even if more than two players, for example Two Headed Giant.) < 1420973908 631324 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so I don't see that as a particular problem. < 1420973908 985996 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: The goal is sort of similar to the problem in football where teams get too defensive and so there are too many draws and tie breakers, which is bad for spectators. < 1420973925 279524 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: however, M:tG has never had that problem seriously I think < 1420973937 745347 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: "unlikely to happen in practice" -- do you know what channel you are? < 1420973956 640902 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I know. < 1420973964 846320 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 2HG doesn't matter, because the rules say if a player concedes his whole team is removed from the game, so it's sort of like single player < 1420973981 634670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, that's what you said < 1420973982 240156 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yse < 1420974013 213895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm just assuming that one of the players involved is not on this channel but geniunely interested in winning :P < 1420974099 172787 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: in theory, multiple players conceding in quick succession can handle in some kinds of cheating, when the judge hands out game loss for the violation to multiple players who cheat together, but as such multipleyer games don't happen in tournaments it's probably not a common occurrance < 1420974136 757948 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what happens if someone is excluded from the tournament for cheating during a draft? how can the draft continue? < 1420974138 958407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For writing the cards themself, the same programming language is probably used, but instead of literate programming, natural language programming with user-defined templates, is used. It isn't quite natural language though, because it also includes markup, formatting, explicit code, etc. For example, text in square brackets might be treated as a comment when compiling, but still rendered (although without the brackets). < 1420974196 362516 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what happens if someone concedes and leaves the table (for urgent matters like his child is ill) during a draft (without cheating)? < 1420974226 150547 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes. < 1420974270 998265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parentheses might do the same but the parentheses are rendered and the text is italicized in such a case. Perhaps there might be formatting codes with \ to change the rendering, and maybe [+ ... +] or other delimiters might be used to include explicit code which is not rendered at all. For int-e's example, a lot of explicit code would be used, since you would put in all the rules of chess, although the card would just say "chess" so put "chess" in < 1420974332 390333 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: IMO that chess card is an un-card, so it doesn't need rules support < 1420974358 487732 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other than an informal FAQ) < 1420974526 257746 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you would certainly be right, but still, I am saying how it would be done if you wanted it to be a real card (although of course the user interface would be strange in such a case, not like a normal chess game, if playing by computer with a host program that doesn't have the interface for this card explicitly programmed in). < 1420974596 447799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it isn't a card you would actually make except as a un-card, but it hasn't to do with hypothetical things I am saying. < 1420974673 450238 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.91.178 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1420974839 309334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To give an example of how this "explicit code" becomes used, int-e's card might be typed as follows: If you would lose the game, [+ ... +] [the game becomes governed by the FIDE Laws of Chess] instead. [...] except that you wouldn't actually type "..." but instead the actual explicit codes and comment texts, respectively. < 1420974930 182437 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chess pieces are tokens, not cards, right? they're not wished into your game so you don't get to keep them if you chess inside a Saharazad subgame < 1420975100 537879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say they are neither; the program inside the [+ ... +] would just provide a list of choices to the player, update its internal variables, and then provide choices to the other player, and so on. You wouldn't actually be able to program in the time controls in this way, so it still is a Un-card. But you could still implement the rules of chess with this! < 1420975153 1914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although like I explained earlier, it also wouldn't display the chess board if played on a computer program which implements the "generic" rules.) < 1420975866 623036 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1420976414 386195 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, one thing too about what I am thinking of, which is that if you add new cards, although you probably won't have to modify the rules, you would have to recomple them. < 1420977608 378027 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1420979850 594302 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yosefk.com/blog/my-history-with-forth-stack-machines.html < 1420980300 211583 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are Lovecraft quotes in the Rust standard library: https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/blob/master/src/libstd/rt/util.rs < 1420980612 343594 :Solace!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iokywjpqckwsjgrm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1420980615 865712 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: okay... what is the primary source for the latter information? reddit? you're the second one to bring it up today :P < 1420980744 351619 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1420980929 347493 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1420981295 276158 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420981393 412818 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose I activate Deathrite Shaman's first ability to gain mana, keeping priority, then I cast Cytoshape to make that creature a copy of an animated Forest, and then resolve the activated ability. Can I spend the mana it produces to pay part of the mana cost for casting an Imperiosaur? < 1420981749 499280 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: someone filed an issue about it and it made the front page of HN. < 1420981773 108719 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: This ruling about Cytoshape seems relevant: "This effect can cause the target to stop being a creature. For example, if it becomes a copy of an animated Blinkmoth Nexus, the printed wording will be copied and it will become an unanimated Blinkmoth Nexus." < 1420981878 285885 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: I see. It's funny because the issue is 7 months old... < 1420981911 62091 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still in too, they kept it, and have rejected at least one pull request to remove it. < 1420981966 84095 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least #20035 is not rejected yet. < 1420981967 667671 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sure, the permanent certainly becomes a basic land < 1420982009 182071 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: my question is what Imperiosaur really checks: whether the permanent was a basic land when I activated the ability, or when the mana actually gets added to my pool (which is when the ability resolves) < 1420982016 473364 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: then I would assume that its mana works for the Imperiosaur. (That's a funny ability though - I didn't know that mana is tracked to its origins.) < 1420982049 550180 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you could also imagine this backwards but that's even crazier, with an animated basic land first gaining Deathrite Shaman's ability using Kraj, then becoming a copy of something other than a basic land < 1420982054 807253 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ability. it's a restriction... < 1420982058 195033 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should have the opposit result < 1420982077 802776 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, tracking the mana is exactly what has brought Imperiosaur to my mind: < 1420982108 704815 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if you implement Imperiosaur the first time, do you imagine you could do that without having to modify the core rules program? < 1420982143 133544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: before Imperiosaur, there were effects that produced mana with restrictions, but those restrictions were given when the mana was _produced_, not when it was consumed < 1420982163 856589 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think even Alpha has such a restricted mana producer < 1420982228 692662 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think I have trouble resolving "that" and "it" in what you wrote initially. < 1420982326 421877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but your answer may simply be that mana abilities don't use the stack. < 1420982514 590300 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've seen that sooner, but hey, I have never more than dabbled in MtG (I don't even have cards of my own) and that's been 8 to 5 years ago... < 1420982564 266166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously I have retained some interest in the rules (because they're crazy...). < 1420982696 172667 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the other thing is that the mana producer is the Deathrite Shaman, not the land that it's removing from the game. < 1420982742 844415 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so all in all I don't know what you tried to do there, except that I suspect that it didn't work. < 1420982777 409443 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever likes english with a REAL hard german accent watch from 50:00: Cyber Necromancy - Reverse Engineering Dead Proto…: http://youtu.be/fIAKzzlJ67w < 1420983150 11879 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zis is vat happens if you organise a congress in Germany... < 1420983182 272175 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there ARE german people capable of pronouncing english sentences < 1420983184 808773 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ... < 1420983185 651648 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: is it a good talk? < 1420983270 162571 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay, but i thought it would be more technical < 1420983294 682787 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just "oh look, we have repeating patterns. turns out, it is xor" < 1420983348 958837 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Ok, I tried parsing that again, and decided that "that creature" is the Shaman. In which case, the mana ability resolves immediately (since it doesn't go onto the stack) and there's no way to cast Cytoshape in the meantime. < 1420983413 488284 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: also to be fair: english is a HORRIBLE language in regards of pronounciation < 1420983432 418624 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Oh don't get me started. < 1420983442 499857 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: tough, tought, though, through; mature, nature < 1420983451 698357 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, I'm *still* upset about "infinite" versus "finite". < 1420983462 163449 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1420983463 229730 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought? < 1420983473 833022 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or taught... < 1420983480 896670 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that was my fault < 1420983492 232119 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i had taught in mind < 1420983504 565435 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but finite vs infinite is a nice example < 1420983541 999773 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fainaite infinit < 1420983556 500180 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :read, read, read < 1420983574 227370 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ready < 1420983607 864995 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually i refered to ghoti, but i do think that finite/infinite is even better < 1420983621 342372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghoti isn't actually a word. < 1420983624 394097 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution is sim ple < 1420983632 82051 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: exactly < 1420983644 684409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make up ridiculous fake things too :p < 1420983655 241221 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :write english with chinese characters < 1420983665 241274 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: all it says is that you have no real way of telling how to pronounce stuff you've never heard < 1420983672 306096 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then spelling is based on meaning, and prnounciation can go hang < 1420983675 762782 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may make good guesses < 1420983679 27368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: eh < 1420983687 439245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghoti is like taking a bunch of things out of context and then shoving them together < 1420983690 463848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of ridiculous. < 1420983703 843109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course devoid of any kind of contextual patterns and specifically picking out odd things you can make something weird. < 1420983725 659998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like. it's a funny joke but it doesn't really make much of a point, other than the obvious one that "english pronunciation is not simple and systematic" < 1420983740 249394 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is: why is the context capable of making an o sound like an i < 1420983740 490576 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wel wood yoo perfer if ai roht laik dhis? < 1420983749 728345 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just shouldn't be possible < 1420983796 878173 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"women" is one place where o sounds like i < 1420983808 826953 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wimmin < 1420983817 634502 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but WHY? < 1420983842 709913 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: have you seen http://www.mipmip.org/tidbits/pronunciation.shtml ? < 1420983843 526405 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because spoken language changed and spelling didn't < 1420983896 995216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: may I recommend lojban? < 1420983932 312370 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :enyway, wee kan djust rait laik dhis fruhm nau awn < 1420983943 280086 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'd learn either that or esperanto if i'd actually have somewhere to speak it < 1420983974 376504 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :japan had a spelling reform in '49 that was successful < 1420983990 256188 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old spellings were FUBAR < 1420984126 444064 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soree, ai ment: djapan had a speling r'form in '49 dhat was suksesf'l. thee old spelingz wrr foobar < 1420984191 664394 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, the fact that 'ee' is pronounced like japanese イ is a whole other problem < 1420984439 877203 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SHIFTY CHICKEN < 1420984939 711479 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, the ability doesn't resolve immediately, because it's not a mana ability, because it's targetted. that's why I chose Deathrite Shaman in particular, being one of the very few cards having such an ability. < 1420985026 779758 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :English has ample examples. < 1420985187 344930 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: yes, "finite" and "infiniite" is one of those things. there's the similar "sign" and "signal", and there's "cycle" and "bicycle". probably half of these is explained by stress shift. < 1420985231 371898 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cycle and bicycle got me sometimes < 1420985241 193123 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"signal" still has the stress on the first syllable I believe, so stress shift can't explain that < 1420985248 259982 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was pretty unsure on how to write bicycle as a child < 1420985273 814763 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i thought "hey, if there were cycle at the end, it would sound like it hat, wouldn't it?" < 1420985276 803731 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ... < 1420985322 953545 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I'm unsure how to write many of the words with "y" used as a vowel in them. I have a handy list < 1420985330 543672 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cohammer and bisickle < 1420985342 151045 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: :D < 1420985364 680992 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, a bisickle would be a tractor for reaping < 1420985405 239692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "number" versus all the words start with "numer-" also have crazy pronunciation differences < 1420985438 640285 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here's my spelling help list of words with "y" as a vowel: hygiene, etymology, mysterious, Odyssey, myopia, carbohydrate < 1420985480 848285 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a german: they are easy < 1420985516 603362 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the y in all of them sounds more like ü than i < 1420985608 600250 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1420986110 826455 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Right, thanks. So there are three times the source might be checked: a) when activating the mana-producing ability b) when resolving said ability c) when actually spending the mana... of those, a) doesn't make much sense to me, but the other two are plausible. < 1420986227 236921 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hmm, I didn't think of (c) as a possibility < 1420987011 409942 :arjanb!8259ab0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420987097 762684 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1420987320 275387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1420987481 361454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Superputin is a comic that exists. <-- i don't think this is surprising to _anyone_ who's vaguely followed news about russia hth < 1420987516 369584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my only questions is whether it's a comic worshiping him or one ridiculing him < 1420987519 325952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-s < 1420987646 993533 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or both < 1420987774 783170 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1420988055 737256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell cluid https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:RandomInCategory < 1420988055 818714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1420988077 779800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell cluid oops misread < 1420988077 862801 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1420988168 890628 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I survived henkma's attack on Kimariji :) < 1420988172 319841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell cluid no random, but https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=2 < 1420988172 365965 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1420988225 405378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i sort of suspected you would since it took him so long to submit < 1420988252 691584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although his statistics are quite different... < 1420988389 544242 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: _ isn't counted as a letter, for example < 1420988455 821748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1420988530 928673 :S1!~S1@p4FF92BE2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1420988681 404228 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, I'd have to think about matching henkma's statistics. so much whitespace... < 1420988769 114967 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that wasn't so hard. < 1420988807 793849 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could get up to 40 alphanums, and 7 whitespace. < 1420988842 433049 :nortti_!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1420988871 814944 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1420988915 594463 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1420988921 129593 :nortti_!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1420988938 333993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: in which problem? < 1420988942 387213 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw, http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Red+Balloon+Locations is a mystery to me. (63 is easy) < 1420988947 502063 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Kimariji < 1420988952 933963 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1420988967 214202 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1420988997 953089 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice problem < 1420989003 931044 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Kimariji < 1420989495 592773 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1420990027 282144 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1420990708 236790 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1420990864 122009 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1420991234 322357 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1420992208 464362 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi b_jonas < 1420992226 143632 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you tell me a bit about Endo ICFP problem? < 1420992853 455841 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1420992883 979769 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: um, what do you want to know. have you found the link to the blog and task specs of the ICFP contest that year? < 1420992905 970286 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there esolangs inside it < 1420992924 933023 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just saw that you have to change a picture to get close to a target picture < 1420992933 536934 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i guess its generated by some code you edit < 1420992946 117874 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, the esolangs in it are the Fuun RNA and Fuun DNA, custom-made for that contest. That might count as one or two esoteric languages. < 1420992959 576845 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're specified right in the task specs. < 1420992965 402146 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :sory if you dont want to talk about it I can stop bugging you < 1420992992 683186 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends, have I put link to the contest webpage? < 1420993009 101820 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know < 1420993020 916204 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about that task other than what's on the contest blog and task specs, plus a few descriptions I've read by teams participating < 1420993023 577617 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its in your todo list on wiki user page < 1420993031 153465 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1420993046 176421 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that links to the contest homepage, from which it's easy to find the task spec http://save-endo.cs.uu.nl/Endo.pdf < 1420993056 719592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be enough links for a stub < 1420993222 4203 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: basically the DNA is a custom string-substitution based self-modifying language < 1420993253 370581 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it sounds interesting! < 1420993254 818904 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what the program eventually evolves to is ran as Fuun RNA which is a strange very limited pixel-based drawing language < 1420993313 18722 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1420993437 602647 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1420993775 688051 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arcanesentiment.blogspot.fi/2015/01/if-scheme-were-like-scheme.html < 1420993820 749813 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that your blog/ < 1420993842 577395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it ins't < 1420993844 97613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*isn't < 1420993851 98905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is then I once emailed J_Arcane < 1420993859 663081 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nay. < 1420993865 288186 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tis merely a coincidence. < 1420993866 155193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jarcanesentiment < 1420993888 927791 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my blog is http://jarcane.github.io/ < 1420993933 885668 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t toRational < 1420993934 638358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real a => a -> Rational < 1420993963 758679 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Floating-point numbers would be called “inexact rationals”. Their constructor would take a numerator and denominator, just like exact rationals" <-- this felt eerily familiar < 1420993979 685343 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fromRational < 1420993980 611708 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fractional a => Rational -> a < 1420993984 709374 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 1e100 < 1420993985 532194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fractional a => a < 1420993998 156929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that post hurts because it kind of captures exactly what's sad about scheme < 1420994001 682038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutable numbers < 1420994007 560488 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.552134e-10 :: Rational < 1420994009 32449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 776067 % 5000000000000000 < 1420994062 365230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1e10000 :: Rational < 1420994063 861452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000... < 1420994400 410139 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm! < 1420994433 271459 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow J_Arcane, so Heresy is hitting the bigtime < 1420994464 379693 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler produces that as a literal, ouch. < 1420994495 964791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i recall that could crash the compiler once, don't know if they fixed it < 1420994543 159602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh iirc even if you used it for a Double < 1420994544 820369 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying... 1e1000000 :: Rational gobbles up lots of memory... < 1420994551 671792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1e100000000 :: Double < 1420994556 485285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1420994559 777630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1420994559 824280 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: que? < 1420994630 736169 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you put a picture into github commits? < 1420994681 683399 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :github has emoji support of a kind. < 1420994694 804982 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that I don't think you can. < 1420994726 60776 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, I can use emoji in my commits now < 1420994731 280002 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.emoji-cheat-sheet.com/ < 1420994823 804440 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, I'm preaching that one should have a swap partition so much ... but fail to follow my own advice... one reboot later... < 1420994851 321356 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I should've killed ghc when it reached 6GB (of 8GB RAM)) < 1420994906 828037 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Gotta go for now < 1420994931 679218 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reason for the swap partition is that one wants to give the kernel a chance to swap out *data* instead of mmap-ed program code when memory becomes exhausted...) < 1420995089 645958 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, added some swap. < 1420995221 863135 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1420995226 304930 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 100 pi < 1420995227 758114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062... < 1420995249 203321 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 101 pi < 1420995250 453952 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062... < 1420995270 909147 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it in privmsg to lambdabot < 1420995272 11027 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll get more digits in /msg < 1420995289 603514 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane, It is also now the most well-recieved project I’ve ever released, netting 18 stars on Github, almost 3,000 vistors to the repo, and a whole day near the top of Hacker News’ front page. < 1420995385 274438 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1420995541 720363 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420995562 156319 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1420995611 329739 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1420995936 998718 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane, what do you want to self host it for and what woudl that mean < 1420996765 24579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: hi < 1420996808 274203 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1420996880 940697 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: well, I'm not necessarily set on actually self-hosting Heresy, but a direct implementation as opposed to existing as a macro layer would give me a lot more control over things. < 1420996913 134221 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it stands, the more 'different' something is from how Racket works, the more down the rabbit-hole of obscure macro transformers and other insanity you have to go. < 1420997443 908930 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1420997909 557649 :MoALTz__!~no@user-109-243-165-112.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1420997922 231442 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-165-112.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1420999297 463192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1420999359 205534 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Velato14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41668&oldid=40672 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (-184) 10/* External resources */ removed dead link < 1420999396 469423 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: showcereal < 1420999514 915630 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showCReal 10 pi < 1420999516 627749 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "3.1415926536" < 1420999519 866778 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1420999525 516849 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why i seem to see so many esolangs on .net. < 1420999562 563939 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :.net the environment or .net the TLD? < 1420999573 344693 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former < 1421000126 91832 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, better than Java. < 1421000151 144008 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :exacly < 1421000174 180931 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java is C++++ and C# is C++++++ < 1421000176 908084 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if only because the .net runtime developers could learn from the jvm's developers' mistakes) < 1421000245 280872 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is this quote "java is in many aspects c++--" < 1421000246 535531 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And evolution; I mean, when the java bytecode was designed, I don't think anybody expected JIT compilation. If they had I bet the bytecode would look different. < 1421000279 779231 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :.net otoh was designed very much with JIT compilation in mind. < 1421000820 309663 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekAfk < 1421001107 294901 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1421001283 703716 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, weren't the first few iterations of the JVM bytecode interpreters? < 1421001916 283376 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1421002042 881145 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1421002071 819881 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1421002118 238841 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1421002351 705317 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1421002533 215020 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1421002687 548430 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc the jvm spec claims the bytecode is designed to be input to a compiler, but maybe the plan was install-time compilation rather than JIT < 1421002820 44824 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, JIT didn't come until HotSpot IIRC. < 1421002831 872176 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Early Java made Python look like C. :P < 1421002972 789800 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did python have JIT when Java came out? < 1421002973 667678 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am still baffled as to how it gained any serious support at all, and yet somehow it seemed to be an unstoppable force, like some looming inevitable task we'd just have to accept anyway. Java is the dirty catbox of programming languages. < 1421003011 185402 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun had a god damned impressive marketing effort. < 1421003029 818739 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Java > C++ < 1421003046 225437 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what other OOP languages were popular when Java came out < 1421003060 184834 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if C++ was the only good competitor I totally get why Java got so popular < 1421003063 867761 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it came at just the right time, when the common OS was suddenly becoming Microsoft "we don't even support C well" Windows. < 1421003068 851767 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares about oop < 1421003082 895995 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people care < 1421003259 686573 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1421003269 580641 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: CPython *still* doesn't have JIT I don't think. It's just that Java was that slow in those days. I think partly why it took off more in business than in consumer applications was that it was unbearably slow on consumer hardware. < 1421003310 819319 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And businesses were often coming up from COBOL on mainframes. < 1421003345 289792 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that context it doesn't even matter if it's fast or not -- the programs are really simple, but they ran on stupidly expensive platforms. < 1421003462 536348 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: in the late 90s, OOP was going to save us all. < 1421003487 243847 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did pretty stupid stuff that time < 1421003670 441718 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was also originally an attempt an making AI. < 1421003676 932870 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*at making < 1421003934 180444 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1421004027 569377 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that's what Lisp was for < 1421004039 726075 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not prolog? < 1421004092 781892 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not OOP so much as objects. < 1421004112 80878 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more rust < 1421004158 98017 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just the first language mentioned in the Wikipedia article on OOP mentions "objects" in computer programming goes back to Lisp. < 1421004306 210054 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like OOP < 1421004318 537879 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works when it works and doesn't when it doesn't. < 1421004332 924786 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1421004342 389794 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by works I mean fits the problem at hand < 1421004365 974102 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOP is good, but only if you understand that OOP doesn't just mean a programming language that looks like SVO grammar < 1421004375 972075 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1421004391 854966 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what many people seem to think it is < 1421004436 666144 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1421004458 608936 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait people actually think that? < 1421004461 925119 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1421004491 426047 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a great many concepts tend to be tied to a particular syntax :/ < 1421004535 988825 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like functional programming < 1421004555 164643 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, lambda calculus :p < 1421004565 615183 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people think functional programming = lisp < 1421004574 31194 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1421004588 636882 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: actually, besides lisp, can you name another language where method invocation doesn't look that way? < 1421004613 193640 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C < 1421004664 900886 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fputs("hello, world\n",f) < 1421004680 256731 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :VOS < 1421004682 579631 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1421004687 867316 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1421004720 161074 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, is there object-oriented esolanga? < 1421004729 123977 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: huh? < 1421004730 155185 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ga/gs/ < 1421004749 940516 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are < 1421004780 988904 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "a method invocation that looks that way"? < 1421004799 691934 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :file.print(string) like that < 1421004814 349820 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :obj.method(arg) < 1421004821 489475 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should it look different? < 1421004822 555313 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say racket but that'd be cheating < 1421004838 119890 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to lisp (method obj args) < 1421004842 297043 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Ok, I meant a language that claims to support OO (rather than allowing to implement OO because there really isn't much to it, conceptually, just some function pointers...) < 1421004866 11419 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheese++ < 1421004866 613474 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: "that way" = SVO. < 1421004900 149698 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I tried implementing a simple scripting language some time ago. < 1421004916 878409 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the results: a weird language that's a cross between Ruby and C-style languages < 1421004916 921785 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that C puts the FILE* argument last trips me up a lot... < 1421004919 41328 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/TieSoul/cotton-lang < 1421004931 644747 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Heresy it's either (send obj field ...) or just ((object field) ...) But Heresy is weird. < 1421004932 340832 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HQ9+ü < 1421004935 119511 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HQ9++ < 1421004938 163637 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like SOV < 1421004961 675052 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously don't use cotton < 1421004965 44141 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bad < 1421004970 394289 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and very very very slow < 1421004985 718047 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's an interpreted language interpreted in Ruby. What do you expect < 1421004999 218754 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was gonna say, that's what I would expect. < 1421005038 509824 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has OOP without inheritance < 1421005041 544281 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just bad < 1421005088 451959 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heresy's objects are immutable. < 1421005095 252155 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1421005106 16540 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're basically just structs that can take methods and return copies of themselves. < 1421005113 301894 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey crazy < 1421005217 810674 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-jjjydcrvzapbwkcl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1421005243 555636 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1421005268 529101 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have proper inheritance either, because they're immutable: you can define Foo with three fields, and you can make a copy of Foo, but it'll always have those same three fields; you can't make Bar that's a Foo with 2 extra fields, for instance. < 1421005299 269984 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could however probably expand it easily enough to support that behavior though. < 1421005322 93362 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-qhueegxmopsshkhs JOIN :#esoteric < 1421005421 648655 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi TieSoul < 1421005864 314127 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1421005910 499639 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think classes are the bad idea in OO < 1421005980 590124 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead there should be interfaces, < 1421006110 439230 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and creator functions < 1421006116 476433 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes you're only ever going to have one class implementing an interface. < 1421006153 49540 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1421006171 277756 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1421006276 790687 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :classes, as a syntax element, tie together interface and implementation < 1421006391 373111 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the distinction between members and methods is a bad idea < 1421006411 794696 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1421006412 497604 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell style type classes rock < 1421006425 797580 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C void pointers at least help by disabling public members < 1421006465 111411 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny how void* is so encapsulated < 1421006585 828621 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is OSV good? < 1421006633 993281 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not used by ANY natural language < 1421006652 916875 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chair man sits < 1421006682 509928 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i'm doing that < 1421006755 348681 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1421006757 63578 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: stack-based object-oriented < 1421006782 882273 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kevo < 1421006901 887844 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne PRIVMSG #esoteric :glass! < 1421006905 553003 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I'm copying files to another user with rsync -e "sudo -u" < 1421006927 169059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-u" looks like a weird emoticon < 1421006957 493568 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what, like a horse or something? < 1421006982 572475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, let's go with that < 1421007107 447760 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`,u,"- < 1421007108 66952 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ,u,"-: not found < 1421007488 524430 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, heh nice < 1421007569 16326 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: http://docs.factorcode.org/content/article-objects.html < 1421007672 538131 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is moving right? Probably explains why I haven't seen him for a few days < 1421007730 155982 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would do it. < 1421007861 111248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he moved days ago I think < 1421008031 27831 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay, still takes some time to settle in I guess. He hasn't replied to my lambdabot message to him < 1421008052 649601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, he's talked since moving. < 1421008090 189253 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot? Or just "Hi, I didn't die during travel"? < 1421008236 576207 :GeekAfk!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1421008874 808069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably less than usual. < 1421008925 211915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'll be out of "travel mode" before we find a permanent place to live. < 1421009040 863647 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1421009512 190166 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1421009530 256219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so did you see that panorama from over a week ago by now? < 1421009551 660433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw it before I left, but then we were kind of getting ready to go. < 1421009571 488495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1421009614 37429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it from a bird-watching tower? < 1421009662 127261 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes, not a bird watching tower though < 1421009674 862172 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, not specifically for birds < 1421009689 601332 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1421009701 551795 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1421009798 72255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a similar one back in Otaniemi that's specifically for birds. < 1421009808 548713 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1421009838 251673 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I also experimented with the photosphere thingy in the Google camera app, haven't uploaded those yet though < 1421009977 941454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking of doing that. And I think you can these days also upload (suitable-projection) images into the Photo Sphere web thing. < 1421009987 229518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, Dropbox-uploading makes this connection incredibly laggy. < 1421009994 275800 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Photo Sphere web thing? < 1421010017 343244 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1421010031 23692 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I wasn't too impressed with it < 1421010109 909204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I haven't tried the stitching app at all. < 1421010129 267233 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOV? < 1421010138 519003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the rest of the thing (the viewer and the "put it on Google Maps" and so on) is usable independently, you can stitch with Hugin and just upload. < 1421010147 983853 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I'm scrolled up. < 1421010155 565389 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the issue is that it doesn't do constant exposure, so if there is a high dynamic range it looks weird < 1421010172 211279 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh and not good at handling parallax < 1421010184 303887 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I know ORK is an object-oriented esolang. < 1421010212 180839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: https://www.dropbox.com/l/sl3nqxnT5JBqZLdt0ZsOLu -- here are some birds I photographed alongside the River Thames today. And also one thing that's not strictly speaking a bird. < 1421010261 654080 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that an amphibious *bus*? < 1421010328 948654 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what camera and lens did you use for the birds? I found telelenses made it hard to find the bloody things and not having tele-lenses means you can't see them in the photos < 1421010396 348420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a Canon EF-S 55-250mm thing. < 1421010418 423261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically their cheapest tele thing. < 1421010423 582486 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1421010548 236436 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway, what the heck is that non-bird? < 1421010563 499375 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tourist thing I assume < 1421010568 813212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's exactly what it looks like. < 1421010578 483079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am amphibious tourist bus kind of thing. < 1421010597 180834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen it drive around the streets, I've seen it in the river, and now I've seen it transition too. < 1421010599 146594 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, it will just be like riding a boat, and then riding a car < 1421010612 837766 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it just drives up the shore I assume? < 1421010621 12938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1421010623 470706 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess loose sand could be an issue < 1421010640 501059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a sloping road thing, I forget what the official name for it is. < 1421010650 881792 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :A ramp? < 1421010657 71709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but something more specific. < 1421010669 990900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a sign saying what it is, and how it's for commercial use. < 1421010689 207178 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a converted bus, a converted boat or purpose-built? < 1421010714 451205 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a re-purposed old military thingy? < 1421010717 635915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I don't know. Also, I don't know what it uses for propulsion when in water mode. Perhaps there's a propeller somewhere in the back. < 1421010744 536341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also does a very very short loop in the river, I'm guessing it's not terribly practical. < 1421010764 674165 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think amphibious cars are in general. < 1421010767 935851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have at least two, because I've got photos with both a "Titania" (that one) and a "Miranda". < 1421010802 331507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and apparently also a "Elizabeth", so at least three. < 1421010948 436869 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1421010955 241928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they were banned from driving that thing into the river (rendering it doubly pointless) at some point, but I guess that ban was lifted. < 1421010959 602016 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started reading up on amphibious vehicles < 1421010969 5750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found this strange and wonderful thingy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw-propelled_vehicle < 1421010973 764239 :wikkki!~wiki@euro214.vpnbook.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1421011015 244433 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what to say < 1421011065 221912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With the occupation of Norway by Nazi Germany in World War II, the quixotic Geoffrey Pyke --" oh, Pyke again. < 1421011098 284758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the guy with the aircraft carrier made out of ice (Project Habakkuk). < 1421011134 170832 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1421011200 221014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk < 1421011215 821881 :wikkki!~wiki@euro214.vpnbook.com QUIT : < 1421011293 475710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re the duck bus, "Each Duck seats up to 30 people and we have a fleet of 9 Ducks", < 1421011355 738735 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is weird and wonderful < 1421011426 755838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"“You need me on your staff,” the shabbily dressed man [Pyke] explained to Lord Mountbatten, “because I’m a man who thinks.”" < 1421012307 744787 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Amfibiefiets_Amphibious_bicycle.jpg < 1421012406 203526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen a modern thing like that in a bike blog. < 1421012453 704075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not "like that" in that it'd be very similar in execution, only in concept. < 1421012636 883013 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, this thing is primarily a boat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iguana_29_plage.jpg < 1421012646 718750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1421012842 771861 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this looks silly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Leopard_2A4_-_Turm.jpg < 1421013028 330398 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is pretty strange as well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_tractor < 1421013035 890891 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though this is perhaps stranger still: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brighton_and_Rottingdean_Seashore_Electric_Railway < 1421014157 166654 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1421014274 872908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I was thinking about this kind of programming language to write rules of Aberration Hater Card Game, Pokemon Card, Magic: the Gathering, etc I would expect to resemble a kind of strongly-typed Lisp. Most data types, including a few built-in types such as ACTION and EVENT and CONDITION, are extensible by adding more constructors and/or fields; other extensions to the rules are also possible. Duplicate extensions are redundant. < 1421014342 962268 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duplicate extensions are redundant. <-- that is a redundant statement < 1421014381 217547 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean specifically that it isn't an error. < 1421014410 780409 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1421015026 546400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Didn't I see that last one in a Agatha Christie thing? < 1421015051 480793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, it was the sea tractor, and it's even mentioned on the page. < 1421015062 508568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Burgh Island sea tractor also appears as the method of transport between the mainland and the island in Evil Under the Sun (2001 film) TV series of ITV's Agatha Christie's Poirot." < 1421015079 900709 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1421015210 124238 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.84 QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1421015274 92681 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: going to eat food < 1421015518 723627 :S1!~S1@p4FF92BE2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1421015767 559257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seeteufel < 1421015814 145123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the linked-to http://web.archive.org/web/20110927182658/http://www.dataphone.se/~ms/ubootw/boats_type-seeteufel.htm since the wiki'ticle is not very good. < 1421016131 236127 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1421016339 368583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1421016665 339999 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1421017028 306110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : why not prolog? <-- iiuc, during the first ai era, lisp was the language of choice in the us but prolog was the language of choice in europe < 1421017086 104592 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1421017138 412070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time myname < 1421017138 931454 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for myname is Sun Jan 11 23:58:57 2015 < 1421017165 364453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dontaskdonttelllist < 1421017166 128155 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dontaskdonttelllist: q​u​i​n​t​o​p​i​a​ c​o​p​p​r​o​ m​y​n​a​m​e​ < 1421017173 768014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1421017237 7481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoila < 1421017281 699971 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pari irigoerjan. < 1421017366 552310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1421017407 271011 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1421017428 767488 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Բարի իրիկուն may help you hth < 1421017453 105708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1421017510 853109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like a very confusing alphabet, for the same reasons as tengwar... < 1421017586 603414 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is very confusing, and it's non-featural on top of it. < 1421017683 211419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, pari irigun gives far less hits than bari irikun < 1421017705 280021 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1421017719 291340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is west and which is east pronunciation again... < 1421017764 747710 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pari irigun is West. GT is stuck on East. htah. < 1421017775 140210 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come lambdabot knows my time? < 1421017778 915521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh < 1421017783 518116 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just ctcp stuff? < 1421017792 741525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it sends a ctcp time request, i assume < 1421017798 716406 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1421017799 604705 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb JOIN :#esoteric < 1421017817 675574 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually useful < 1421017823 919479 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, is there any log for this channel that I can read? < 1421017866 152646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :r0nk: the topic lists two of them hth < 1421017874 376345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(codu has the best formatting) < 1421017883 561587 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r0nk: you can also read the PDF. it has the Most Bestest Formatting. < 1421017886 436632 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is one strange first question < 1421017906 666238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure i've seen r0nk here before < 1421017909 262152 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1421017909 513216 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no strange first question. < 1421017912 895685 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1421017923 119909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome r0nk < 1421017924 156267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07r0nk: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09irc.dal.net.) < 1421017931 687385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST IN CASE < 1421017943 499344 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a debugger, logged onto this shell for the first time in a while, checked my freenode and someone told me that people were < 1421017950 160942 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about a tool I wrote < 1421017956 856799 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1421017959 6435 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1421017961 120968 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :on here < 1421017971 194227 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are the brainfuck debugger guy < 1421017975 24102 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1421017982 637186 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :best title ever < 1421017997 831481 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked the graph < 1421018017 687253 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1421018069 97465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: btw i mean google hits not gt (although gt also suggests that transcription) < 1421018071 916296 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will feel comfortable here, i guess < 1421018204 95965 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take pride in creating valuable tools for the mastery of brainfuck < 1421018258 558510 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a film that really pushes the format to the limit, doing things no other format could do < 1421018272 514774 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like House of Leaves did for print and Homestuck did for webcomic-ish things < 1421018515 788457 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1421018532 260629 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1421018546 897587 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r0nk: now go for befunge < 1421018553 60976 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge? < 1421018582 372087 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Befunge < 1421018600 745214 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :what graph? what debugger? new one? < 1421018661 336932 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I made a debugger, here: < 1421018705 44452 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/r0nk/ward < 1421018712 425044 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gif shows pretty stuff < 1421018745 267133 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :The state machine deal is randomly generated, so thats actually not really how i wanted it to look :O < 1421018851 540204 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooo befunge looks fun. < 1421018906 487057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how fun is it? < 1421018906 868268 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's pain to make it recursive when u can use a function < 1421018919 653311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i suppose you're right about that. < 1421018919 963904 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my programming languages class? they can't be bothered < 1421019047 853741 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so the direction of the movement of the instruction pointer is changeable? sweet. < 1421019050 170211 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what style is that? < 1421019059 712439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1421019064 10293 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: sentient style. < 1421019064 53669 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1421019125 83450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell TieSoul btw, is there object-oriented esolanga? <-- glass and ork come to mind < 1421019125 163986 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1421019148 159514 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ork is a sweet name for a language < 1421019181 644483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1421019313 343190 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that one, i may never write anything in it, though < 1421019372 243603 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1421019409 235923 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks something like what english~ should be < 1421019458 166287 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1421019467 274526 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ~english it was < 1421019625 576148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oren it is not used by ANY natural language <-- i could have sworn i've read all orders are used somewhere, although maybe it's not interpreted that way nowadays < 1421019625 619610 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1421019705 197980 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r0nk: thinking about it, with you graph drawing abilities you may be better suited for oedermdrome (no serious recommendation, it's kind of an inside joke) < 1421019764 771053 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: eo, not oe hth < 1421019777 296597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oren https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warao_language < 1421019777 339707 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1421019807 815761 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1421019896 552604 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there no "beware of theoretical computer science" in the relcome? < 1421019905 270485 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there should be < 1421019924 955947 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the welcome should be in brainfuck < 1421019942 719523 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be too long < 1421019943 457193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: there are irc line length limits hth < 1421019949 860476 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1421019959 123949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the color codes are included in those < 1421019959 245548 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could write a version that would fit. < 1421019970 700942 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt thaz < 1421019983 711349 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :challenge accepted < 1421020026 235371 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r0nk: how'd you make that graph thing? is it ncurses? < 1421020055 431778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :r0nk: one of the purposes of the welcome is to hint to certain people that they're in the wrong channel; making it unreadable doesn't help with that < 1421020092 811515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the "other kind of" part) < 1421020110 735616 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ncurses with a custom line drawing function. < 1421020116 401715 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often is this really necessary? afair there was one user that was wrong here < 1421020140 133178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: people who think this is about the other kind of esoteric... < 1421020149 458071 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if you could at least draw eodermdrome states with that < 1421020176 454415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i think the venezuelans are more common, and they get a different message < 1421020181 137479 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i would opt for "they will learn it the hard way" < 1421020182 442766 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :the state machine is actually what I call a folded lattice, where Its read top to bottm, < 1421020207 951648 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of control flow, so the main in a c would be on top, < 1421020218 629854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: in theory it was also meant to point them to a better place, except that place is basically dead. < 1421020230 713973 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1421020247 126529 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, we had that on another channel some time ago < 1421020289 365407 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we sent all idiots^wmisleaded users to another channel with the result it being closed < 1421020325 424429 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+of < 1421020343 342812 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we still send them there, but now they come back < 1421020365 175107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it was closed because of us, it just never really took off < 1421020385 337399 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably there's only momentary demand. < 1421020388 956534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and may have been started by a person who came here first... < 1421020391 134900 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how surprising < 1421020433 194081 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't imagine that many people with interest in esoterica that are capable of using an irc client < 1421020454 114885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: that's racist! < 1421020471 666941 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are esoteric people a race? < 1421020501 325392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whoosh* < 1421020533 1783 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i could draw eodermdrome states with it, they'd be modified though. < 1421020572 435786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :modified how? the state is just an unlabeled graph. < 1421020600 335360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the labels are only used to describe substitutions. < 1421020619 782556 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, my program draws out the states of any turning machine thing, < 1421020626 620824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*turing < 1421020640 332988 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm still googling this thing, im halfway though the page so i might be wrong < 1421020641 996097 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1421020648 440908 :r0nk!r0nk@gateway/shell/openshells.net/x-jbtellgawhueogmb PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing* < 1421020659 647932 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1421020664 645556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :r0nk: that misspelling is so common we redefined it as something else < 1421020671 624987 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interesting part is wether the structure of the graph is visible or not < 1421020684 761052 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: show me < 1421020738 228956 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit, i should go to bed