< 1421280066 695932 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every ordinal number has a Cantor normal form, but certain ordinal numbers have non-terminating Cantor normal forms.
< 1421280136 11500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: basically you get trouble once you get to something with alpha = omega^alpha
< 1421280142 211314 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1421280156 590289 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to have, say, alpha = omega^alpha + 1?
< 1421280170 745815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so
< 1421280186 695914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :omega^alpha >= alpha seems clear
< 1421280206 445288 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :omega^alpha >= alpha isn't obvious to me.
< 1421280239 42642 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Wikipedia does state something like that.
< 1421280248 274412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's true for limit ordinals if it's true for those below
< 1421280261 852416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because omega^ is continuous by definition
< 1421280281 32537 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every ordinal number has a "degree" under Cantor normal form. The degree of alpha is less than alpha, unless alpha = omega^alpha.
< 1421280303 181807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and omega^(alpha+1) = omega^alpha * omega > omega^alpha, (or so i hope)
< 1421280333 794939 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so here's our notation so far. If the ordinal number is greater than its own degree, write it in Cantor normal form. Otherwise, it's a fixed point of exponentiation with base omega.
< 1421280338 25118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so omega^(alpha+1) > alpha by induction, so >= alpha+1
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< 1421280378 626375 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case it's of the form phi_1(beta) for some ordinal number beta.
< 1421280400 304234 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we can just write it like that, unless it happens that beta = phi_1(beta).
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< 1421280424 797975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you make phi_alphas
< 1421280442 368278 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if that's the case, we can just write it as phi_2(gamma) for some ordinal number gamma. Unless it happens that gamma = phi_2(gamma).
< 1421280451 381164 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case you can move on to phi_3, then phi_4, and so on.
< 1421280484 979326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this works until you get to the sad state of phi_alpha(alpha) = alpha, or something like that
< 1421280501 494756 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WP says phi_alpha(0) = alpha.
< 1421280506 586075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1421280513 504093 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At which point we choose to give up.
< 1421280528 787265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't remember all that stuff
< 1421280588 26647 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there we go. All ordinals below Gamma_0 can be written in terms of natural numbers, addition, and the phi function.
< 1421280723 131122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um is there some phi thing for getting multiplication and exponentiation?
< 1421280771 497749 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1421280781 622916 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exponentiation, yeah. phi_0(alpha) = omega^alpha.
< 1421280787 807597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1421280808 441533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i guess you don't need multiplication because you only multiply by finite numbers
< 1421280811 780143 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiplication by a natural number is just repeated addition.
< 1421280823 327329 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And multiplication by an infinite ordinal might be exponentiation.
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< 1421280896 614819 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's probably easy to define arithmetic and ordering on these notations, or something.
< 1421280901 601232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1421280948 268229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still have the distributive law of multiplication
< 1421280968 983875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just need to be able to multiply phi terms
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< 1421281050 519803 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, every phi term is a fixed point of omega^.
< 1421281065 931682 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you multiply them by adding them and then omega^ing them.
< 1421281069 980688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1421281166 646515 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So gee, there definitely seems to be some regularity here.
< 1421281216 664805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sometimes a+b simplifies to b
< 1421281219 466073 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We seem to have a function fixedPoints : (Ord -> Ord) -> Ord -> Ord, which enumerates the fixed points of a function on the ordinal numbers.
< 1421281267 592375 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, not every function on the ordinal numbers has fixed points.
< 1421281299 604375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "continuous" ones do
< 1421281319 849354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuous increasing
< 1421281381 701436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and enumerating fixed points of a continuous increasing function gives another one such iirc
< 1421281383 952913 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And doesn't continuousness have some really simple definition? Like, a function is continuous iff the image of a limit is the limit of the images?
< 1421281401 568106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1421281419 611170 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekFood
< 1421281492 339700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where all the limits are usually increasing in practice, which means it's also just supremum
< 1421281498 843803 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1421281534 125186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's an ordinary topology except for the part of not being a set...
< 1421281576 275345 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let V_kappa be a model of ZFC.
< 1421281577 616396 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continue.
< 1421281681 990446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, open intervals are open.  and non-limit ordinal singletons are open because {alpha} = (alpha-1, alpha+1)
< 1421281721 303254 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, it's the order topology.
< 1421281833 35850 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. So, ordinal numbers below epsilon_0 have a certain obvious way to obtain a natural number by substituting a natural number for omega.
< 1421281841 894890 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just write it in Cantor normal form and then substitute.
< 1421281911 211158 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you extend that to the Veblen functions in an obvious way?
< 1421282220 816611 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's definitely a sort of correspondence between defining large ordinal numbers and just defining large natural numbers.
< 1421282239 166379 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, every natural number, in principle, has a definition.
< 1421282451 66888 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421282468 928614 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no results for "metacircular microsoft excel interpreter"
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< 1421282829 746012 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to come up with a theory of arithmetic whose axioms are precisely those statements which are obviously true.
< 1421282835 40529 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's a problem with that idea.
< 1421282847 79695 :roasted42!~appleseed@41.48.16.48 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1421282852 756793 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose you have a theory T, whose axioms are precisely those statements which are obviously true.
< 1421282875 851007 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :T is obviously sound, meaning that T is obviously consistent, meaning that "T is consistent" is an axiom of T.
< 1421282888 88557 :roasted42!~appleseed@41.48.16.48 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421282903 191812 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so T is inconsistent. Crap.
< 1421282928 36210 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, that's the informal paradox.
< 1421282974 784671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the way around that is simply: T obviously has an infinite number of axioms
< 1421283002 268675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus you cannot formulate "T is consistent" hth
< 1421283024 840120 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can formulate "T is consistent" if T is definable, right?
< 1421283044 217285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now turn this around to a proof that T isn't definable hth
< 1421283061 407462 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1421283066 752142 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now...
< 1421283074 64614 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the smallest ordinal number that isn't arithmetically definable?
< 1421283091 870330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wilbur hth
< 1421283210 863362 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 and a quarter
< 1421283234 262017 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 and a quarter is the smallest ordinal number x such that x * 4 = 49.
< 1421283246 124257 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ordinality of the set of all microsoft excel programs
< 1421283390 445655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Jafet> Oh, someone had already computed a bunch of base 2,3 palindromes but didn't submit them to the OEIS. <-- those bastards!
< 1421283421 439771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Jafet <Jafet> Oh, someone had already computed a bunch of base 2,3 palindromes but didn't submit them to the OEIS. <-- those bastards!
< 1421283421 556504 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1421283574 753823 :GeekFood!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude
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< 1421284570 477540 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night o/
< 1421284903 307308 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night?
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< 1421285201 212274 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here I go, trying to create the perfect programming language again.
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< 1421285369 47551 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswello.
< 1421285401 832211 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the most important feeling you want to achieve in that programming language?
< 1421285445 445389 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an inclusion of colon
< 1421285464 846012 :roasted42!~appleseed@41.48.16.48 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1421285480 225084 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
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< 1421285608 371339 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there collective nouns for punctuation symbols and syntactic features? a décalage of indentations? a surprise of exclamation marks?
< 1421285644 527295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty sure english collective nouns are just a kind of inside joke.
< 1421285729 709301 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a weirdness of Norwegians... :P
< 1421285738 218166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mainly because norwegian has no such ridiculous proliferation of specific-to-specific-nouns ones)
< 1421285790 733213 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoily.
< 1421285804 452577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're pretty happy to use "flokk" for almost any kind of bird or mammal
< 1421285850 781420 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be able to write anything clearly and concisely.
< 1421285858 942216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :insects do get "sverm" instead, i guess.
< 1421285874 442905 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far, this language looks so wonderful.
< 1421285878 21630 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a sample:
< 1421285910 753324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: are you implying that french has a similarly ridiculous collection?
< 1421285920 431230 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<module> {{ <inductive> List <:> Set -> Set <by> {{ empty <:> forall A : Set , List A ;; cons <:> forall A : Set , A -> List A -> List A ;; }} ;; }}
< 1421285928 119884 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll probably look better in the future.
< 1421285940 49403 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully.
< 1421285954 591610 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All those <:>s are bound to get obnoxious.
< 1421285999 113252 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far this language is just Coq with worse syntax.
< 1421286023 900757 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: never heard of any. we have the usual «troupeau», «cheptel» and similar. I'd say there are probably some weird cases, but then they are even more obscure than English ones.
< 1421286050 614888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1421286057 335775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is forgetting to eat again
< 1421286059 623445 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stumbles upon the <:>es.
< 1421286072 149386 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had a hamburger.
< 1421286096 122025 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my dad was de passage in Montréal tonight. we had a beer and a hamburger each. it was good.)
< 1421286146 362020 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, there's a «banc de poissons», «horde de caribous», «envolée de castors»...
< 1421286453 209206 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick! Give me a very complicated Algebra equation
< 1421286488 470369 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^x = x
< 1421286508 321702 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dies
< 1421286601 781219 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles Lilax
< 1421286619 909109 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no dying in this chännel. it is bad form!
< 1421286633 537510 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :This equation is rediculous!
< 1421286697 714510 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles Lilax again
< 1421286706 825225 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no mocking equations' feelings!
< 1421286727 465603 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/(x-1)+1/(x-2)+1/(x-3)=1/(x-4)-1
< 1421286801 557319 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder
< 1421286808 825476 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/(x-1)+1/(x-2)+1/(x-3)=1/(x-4)-1
< 1421286810 125121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:24: parse error on input ‘=’
< 1421286813 890476 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop
< 1421286822 484744 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't lambda the bot
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< 1421287142 650024 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1421287143 213368 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 150100Z 34005KT 15SM SKC M17/M20 A3029 RMK SLP261
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< 1421287447 12279 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to talk about Dark matter , Strange matter and other stuff at school but no one knows what I'm talking about 
< 1421287560 244074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: the joke is that e^x = x has no solutions hth
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< 1421287584 529121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now wonders about complex numbers
< 1421287588 813554 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1421287718 267226 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lets solve for x
< 1421287725 151805 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of that equation
< 1421287755 627552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky
< 1421287877 213880 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying 
< 1421287884 661285 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION overheats
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< 1421288174 658504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a+ib=e^a*cos(b) + i*e^a*sin(b)
< 1421288217 408785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a/e^a = cos(b), b/e^a = sin(b)
< 1421288293 389206 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dude, don't you know that one theorem?
< 1421288307 284174 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The function f(x) = e^x - x takes on every value except for at most one.
< 1421288308 444202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have known it at one time
< 1421288316 814726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that yes
< 1421288331 492603 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just have to show that the excluded value isn't 0.
< 1421288333 740767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem is, 0 could still be that one
< 1421288343 160986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or there could be _no_ excluded value
< 1421288354 115268 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, if there's no excluded value, then there's a root.
< 1421288396 156853 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I have no idea how to show that the excluded value isn't 0.
< 1421288401 536437 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is there really no answer?
< 1421288410 195555 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^x - x has exactly two roots, if I remember right.
< 1421288420 433767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: there is no answer for real numbers, because e^x > x always
< 1421288431 771571 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^e = e 
< 1421288435 334913 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :euh
< 1421288440 177706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: well they would have to be in pairs
< 1421288447 262903 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Complex conjugates.
< 1421288463 864554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: e isn't a variable, it's the number 2.718281828...
< 1421288469 658342 :tswett!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^e = e means x is the eth root of e.
< 1421288535 186395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hum
< 1421288551 405700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er no
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< 1421288577 616118 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes the e is a number variable in that sense
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< 1421288586 533411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp(exp(-1)) -- that one is easily solved anyway
< 1421288588 214583 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.444667861009766
< 1421288595 708667 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/kP3Wn2W.png This is what happens when you leave me in charge of mandelbrot generating :(
< 1421288615 927921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CrazyM4n: THE FOOLS
< 1421288619 365030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHOW THEM ALL
< 1421288634 285706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should check if girl genius has updated
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< 1421288750 666057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh still another paper doll
< 1421289030 3734 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paper doll?
< 1421289048 341136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php
< 1421289191 226698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're doing an intermission between volumes with paper dolls of several characters, which is a little annoying since the last volume ended on a cliffhanger
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< 1421289284 270196 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of Kisekae set system.
< 1421289333 142302 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg cats
< 1421289376 204934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's only one cat character, but he's getting all of today's page
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< 1421289882 721774 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/puFdPvr.png some fractal geek would probably be able to tell me what happened :P
< 1421289927 903222 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1421289943 345697 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, geek is my name
< 1421289959 930386 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened there is called rasterization
< 1421290126 356529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think he's referring to that, GeekDude
< 1421290154 558664 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he did summon geek
< 1421290220 186283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CrazyM4n: showing your code might have better odds hth
< 1421290232 804363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i do know what the formula for mandelbrot _should_ be)
< 1421290234 336846 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/CrazyM4n/5f1f962a39486f3e2baa
< 1421290242 877449 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore the defines
< 1421290252 496627 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are irrelevant lol
< 1421290258 959831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh C++
< 1421290268 678043 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gross I know
< 1421290311 249225 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't, for the life of me, figure out the problem. it should work, but it just *doesn't*
< 1421290329 128920 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's still really cool tho so I'm not too mad
< 1421290393 779689 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :>=2? isn't the standard >4?
< 1421290431 163104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CrazyM4n: the last thisComplex in thisComplex = lastComplex * lastComplex + thisComplex; should be the _starting_ thisComplex hth
< 1421290447 236681 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn you're right
< 1421290480 908810 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is like a mandelbrot fractal with an evolving seed. coooool
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< 1421290544 294104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CrazyM4n: that's like the fibonacci of mandelbrots :P
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< 1421290626 699696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude: it's real^2 + imaginary^2 >4, but abs also takes square root
< 1421290656 642263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which btw is a little inefficient
< 1421290677 940995 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :a^2 + b^2 == c^2, and sqrt(4) is 2, so...
< 1421290682 304605 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :it checks out
< 1421290698 322968 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have some optimizations to make to my assembly ¬_¬
< 1421290724 334079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, because of this?
< 1421290753 431786 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo it works now
< 1421290758 249642 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks oerjan :D
< 1421290758 335497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1421290763 958693 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wrote a mandelbrot renderer in assembly
< 1421290775 596467 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I have a darn off-by-one error to fix somewhere
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< 1421295389 153229 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://i.imgur.com/RY9wjd2.png (Not my assembly version)
< 1421295406 918035 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a mandelbrot render where I redid one of the constants (I forget which)
< 1421295431 541610 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me vaguely of some kind of animal
< 1421295529 681140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the red fuzzy two-headed toad
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< 1421295594 625993 :dianne_!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne NICK :dianne
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< 1421295992 757416 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot
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< 1421297011 28950 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codename: CRAWL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41683&oldid=41682 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-17) 10/* External resources */ Wayback
< 1421297396 43431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _could_ add the modern avida homepage which is in a completely different place; this won't help with the fact that the esolang's own specification is absent.
< 1421297471 877647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the link that once was there hasn't been preserved on wayback)
< 1421297514 940566 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 NICK :MDream
< 1421297594 505484 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm XML parsing documents were an absolute waste of my day
< 1421298283 908791 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codename: CRAWL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41684&oldid=41683 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+335) 10explain sorry state; although found something in the old forum
< 1421298453 828001 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codename: CRAWL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41685&oldid=41684 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+20) 10Some tense changes seem in order
< 1421298904 72773 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plhzgquxgmsymulk PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight
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< 1421299992 143266 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaay off by one errors
< 1421300020 501164 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My program is really picky about when it wants to offset everything by one
< 1421300026 447291 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends on what input you use
< 1421300048 571120 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not in the perfect range it spits in your face
< 1421300126 134544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the same program from the gist?
< 1421300159 614942 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've fixed it up a ton but yeah
< 1421300306 492359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wild guess could it be that floating point errors cause it to sometimes get slightly < xRight and sometimes slightly > xRight, or similar for y?
< 1421300333 379251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :such that it is unpredictable whether it includes ~ xRight or not
< 1421300364 16782 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, that's what I thought originally
< 1421300370 663367 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But changing it to <= doesn't help
< 1421300388 713915 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is nowhere near the range that I should start having floating point errors on doubles
< 1421300390 113905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it wouldn't help if you were right either
< 1421300405 706987 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1421300424 192899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well hm
< 1421300437 887861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do the off-by-one errors manifest?
< 1421300453 142703 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/CrazyM4n/3e8214a45d89f89f79b1 This is what I have right now
< 1421300471 219799 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what happens is that occasionally it'll just generate one too little pixel per row
< 1421300479 420880 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in turn it skews the whole image
< 1421300531 760929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that could be explained by floating point error as i said.  and <= wouldn't help.
< 1421300559 568814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless xStep is a power of 2, you _will_ get some errors.
< 1421300569 70759 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was floating point error, it wouldn't be so reliably wrong though, would it?
< 1421300583 867909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it would be realiable per image...
< 1421300588 430098 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, it when it's skewed, no rows have the occasional correct pixel 
< 1421300591 857920 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pixel count
< 1421300613 702083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's as expected, because in each row the x variables are exactly the same
< 1421300659 461177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a non-deterministic error
< 1421300675 936425 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see what you're saying
< 1421300684 763805 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get it now
< 1421300687 517897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends only on the relationship of xLeft, xRight and xStep
< 1421300728 31369 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite a problem
< 1421300738 336516 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :CrazyM4n: http://i.imgur.com/RY9wjd2.png
< 1421300743 954392 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1421300751 128423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest perhaps using an integer counter and multiplying instead
< 1421300754 583460 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that was a mandelbrot render gone awry ;)
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< 1421300768 233517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least using an integer counter to test for stopping
< 1421300795 266686 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I could also go the cheap way, and just introduce the same floating point error in the xPixels
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< 1421300835 663242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CrazyM4n: oh actually you could use the ugly trick haskell uses for floating Enums
< 1421300859 455588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :real < xRight + xStep / 2
< 1421300880 353111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is precisely for preventing this sort of thing
< 1421300907 778994 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's terribly ugly. Disgusting, even!
< 1421300913 91660 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm using it.)
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< 1421301019 146018 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaand still broken. This time it's generating an extra pixel though.
< 1421301026 705202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1421301033 28284 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1421301040 671411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :change + to - :P
< 1421301077 246436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell ranges are meant to be inclusive
< 1421301081 951217 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get how that'd work but whatever, I'm trying it anyway
< 1421301109 985717 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... wow
< 1421301131 897903 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It worked perfectly
< 1421301136 352341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1421301149 659375 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was such an elegantly lazy solution I'm honestly kind of taken aback
< 1421301261 67932 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go to sleep, thanks for that though :P
< 1421301268 610649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome :)
< 1421301299 68968 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnight
< 1421301304 433605 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip98-177-176-240.ph.ph.cox.net PART #esoteric :"aaaa"
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< 1421303652 530747 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ComeFrom14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41686&oldid=35584 5* 03DDR 5* (+207) 10Added note about ComeFrom 2.
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< 1421305043 603813 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ComeFrom214]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41687 5* 03DDR 5* (+1524) 10Added a very brief page on CFL2.
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< 1421307029 273979 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I forgot about Krosp... will there be a real comic this week?
< 1421307109 894144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well krosp _was_ the last character to have a role in the play
< 1421307156 62983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1421307163 99112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stepmother
< 1421307190 165091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(played by gkika i think)
< 1421307203 959508 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-16-159.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421307219 838534 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, she was done before the daughters
< 1421307267 601944 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no
< 1421307313 219517 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is confused about the number of characters now.
< 1421307474 959649 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, of course.
< 1421307526 180967 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how could I forget the quilting bees
< 1421307530 348331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1421307755 113384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think she's the only major character left
< 1421307806 679801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they're going to do clanks and servants
< 1421307859 223705 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope not
< 1421307870 845180 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we might not see a new story arc till next year...
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< 1421307912 415516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish
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< 1421310280 139032 :shikhin!~shikhin@120.57.235.20 QUIT :Changing host
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< 1421313330 768758 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-16-159.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have several ideas about programming language to make up rule of Magic: the Gathering and other stuff, which now I think can be called RULECARD. You can tell me if it look OK to you, if you have other idea about it, etc. One thing would be: You do not need to declare a string to add it to a pool; it is added automatically if used where a string belonging to that pool is expected, but the pool itself must still be declared.
< 1421313472 874650 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-16-159.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When defining a data type, you can declare it as final. If declared as final, all declarations of that type must be equivalent; otherwise they don't have to be and all are put together, however in such a case none of the declarations of the type are allowed to be final. String pools are never final, the integer type is always final, and some but not all built-in types are final.
< 1421313560 239698 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-16-159.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Host types should also always be final.
< 1421313601 233385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I've wondered about such a language before.
< 1421313635 611836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to figure out what you mean without some context about yoru idea for the language.
< 1421313707 375489 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-16-159.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Host types would be definable using host macros, and are opaque to everything else in the program. Host macros can be defined in an external file, and are not considered a part of the rules of the game, and are only needed to implement the game on a computer. If you are playing the game without a computer, host macros are unimportant and are not needed.
< 1421313866 342236 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-16-159.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, I don't have a lot of context really, but I would think it would resemble a kind of strongly typed Lisp.
< 1421314098 365248 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://darksky.slac.stanford.edu/simulations/ds14_a/ wat
< 1421314184 210997 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-16-159.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What things are you saying is hard exactly, what question you have, I can try to answer it more specifically?
< 1421314817 248585 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421314873 518320 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :31TB? Must be heavily compressed
< 1421314892 542260 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1421314913 536376 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there already a C-to-Brainfuck-Compiler out there?
< 1421314921 114359 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1421314939 637580 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/g 58
< 1421314941 252995 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ww
< 1421314953 210292 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :c2bf compiles a little bit of C.
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< 1421315157 96150 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so probably it would be worth writing an LLVM-Backend like Emscriptem
< 1421315169 21191 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will add that to my .plan
< 1421315188 44929 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Could take some Months/Years until i get to it, but hey… better than no Plan ;-))
< 1421315195 238727 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION structured Procrastinator
< 1421315864 386570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 had a gcc backend for it
< 1421315871 92004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome APic
< 1421315884 10737 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04APic: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13<http://esolangs.org/>. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 06esoterica, 13try 04#esoteric 07on 08irc.dal.net.)
< 1421316071 74632 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-16-159.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard that LLVM doesn't optimize brainfuck codes particularly well because it wasn't designed to do so. Additional optimizers might be written though, that would allow codes compiled from brainfuck to work better, possibly.
< 1421316217 232389 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hthere was a good blog post about brainfuck optimization
< 1421316226 922742 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :their idea was to add new bytecode instrucitons to handle optimizations
< 1421316246 284996 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a good start, then trying to go higher level by doing analysis of the code
< 1421316567 426722 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Thanks
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< 1421319324 965296 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-16-159.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to make the program to optimize a .XM music file by combining, splitting, rearranging, and changing patterns in the file?
< 1421319570 711891 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-16-159.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First it should unroll all loops and put all rows into one large list, with a song repeat point somewhere inside of the list, and then what next?
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< 1421322216 728427 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-182-072.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it’s a thing to create a pipe and then forkexec with an arg that points the program at the relevant pipe fd to grab its output, when that must stay independent of stdout and stderr.
< 1421322221 175960 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1421322512 975517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: yes, that is a thing
< 1421322526 284901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: you can use either a filename or a file descriptor name
< 1421322562 353853 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: just make sure to keep your close-on-exec flags straight and close unnecessary handles in the parent process, or else you'll leak file descriptors which can cause undesirable side effects like missing EOFs or worse
< 1421322577 844629 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 'hello'
< 1421322578 309514 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hello
< 1421322582 549664 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-182-072.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking like passing /proc/self/fd/42 .
< 1421322591 427703 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-182-072.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever fd you happen to get.
< 1421322592 694517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: if it helps, j-bot here ^ passes a file descriptor number
< 1421322595 189408 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes
< 1421322595 621193 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !
< 1421322647 156432 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the bot parent process to each interpreter process, in a command-line argument
< 1421322675 92598 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-182-072.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant without the child process being set up to do this.
< 1421322693 258455 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: you can try it even without
< 1421322714 344653 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: recent versions of bash actually have some helping syntax for this:
< 1421322716 603047 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-182-072.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just using /proc/self/fd/ to point it at a file descriptor one has made sure to leave open.
< 1421322743 772410 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo <(echo Hi!)
< 1421322744 467949 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/dev/fd/63
< 1421322761 991877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat <(echo Hi!)
< 1421322762 674071 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi!
< 1421322780 303171 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-182-072.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that actually does that. Nice.
< 1421322785 633527 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of explicitly giving file descriptor numbers like ( someprogram --magical_fd=6 6<somefile ) you can use shell parameters something like ( someprogram --magical_fd=$magical {magical}<somefile )
< 1421322973 680507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` help coproc # hmm
< 1421322974 205714 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coproc: coproc [NAME] command [redirections] \     Create a coprocess named NAME. \      \     Execute COMMAND asynchronously, with the standard output and standard \     input of the command connected via a pipe to file descriptors assigned \     to indices 0 and 1 of an array variable NAME in the executing shell. \     The default NAME is "COPROC
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< 1421328721 553663 :TieSleep!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul
< 1421328728 471781 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1421328880 840131 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1421329179 679065 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 NICK :MDude
< 1421330347 427748 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1421330715 575204 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so calculus 2 end of course exam today
< 1421330721 652075 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to fail
< 1421330807 528151 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :why??
< 1421330916 483518 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I only know calc 1 
< 1421330930 497464 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the second course is a lot harder
< 1421330949 725255 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't Take that class but still they make me ;-;
< 1421331017 396277 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it starts at 7 in the morning so I'm gonna be half dead
< 1421331187 619602 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :get to bed early]
< 1421331219 304421 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its 6 am right now and I'm on the bus
< 1421331228 535667 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :Headed towards school
< 1421331234 644564 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no :*(
< 1421331241 658636 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways
< 1421331255 277208 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atleast multiple choice is an option
< 1421331308 216538 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways
< 1421331320 557175 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhrdbiucngovrdla PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye o/
< 1421331349 57381 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye]
< 1421332121 404589 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :GL
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< 1421333842 904122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ghc -ignore-dot-ghci -XSafe Unsafe.hs -e "uc 'a' :: Int"
< 1421333845 351195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :97
< 1421334170 70838 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: tell me more?
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< 1421335712 218461 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this is not fair. I *know* that unsafeCoerce is sufficient for unsafePerformIO so I need to know whether this works in lambdabot.
< 1421335751 375581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Not sure if I should tell people details right away since it's a security bug.
< 1421335761 159384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess you'd be one of the people affected...
< 1421335826 959257 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be happy to know whether this relies on some particular extension or library that I could disable.
< 1421335898 560241 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whether it comes down to pulling the plug on @run
< 1421335916 178172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the whole thing was in a sandbox anyway?
< 1421335959 54491 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a VPS that nothing else is running on. I'm not too keen on reinstalling that from scratch.
< 1421335971 844539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether anyone other than lambdabot relies on SafeHaskell.
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< 1421336187 350484 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may be some web services
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< 1421336579 458976 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess you're right, I should add an actual sandbox layer.
< 1421336600 879061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :run lambdabot inside HackEgo hth
< 1421336702 900426 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ghc --version
< 1421336703 570088 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ghc: command not found
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< 1421348145 867621 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when creating a new language article on the wiki, should one use the year the language was designed or the current year (year it was first published)?
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< 1421351474 139899 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as someone who has used the wiki upwards of 5 times, i would say "who cares"
< 1421351643 740168 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say you should put the year in unix time
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< 1421353368 744505 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"head is a mistake! It should not be in the Prelude. Other partial Prelude functions you should almost never use include tail, init, last, and (!!). From this point on, using one of these functions on a homework assignment will lose style points!"
< 1421353380 24397 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o That's an ... interesting assertion.
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< 1421353884 243981 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1421353928 716284 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know how people expect to use total functions all the time in a language wthout dependent types or similar
< 1421353952 468751 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't express enough in the haskell type system to stick to that doctrine
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< 1421354565 228000 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: that sounds a bit dogmatic
< 1421354768 853969 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> init . tails $ [1,2,3]
< 1421354770 270433 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1,2,3],[2,3],[3]]
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< 1421354779 900299 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> init . tails $ []
< 1421354781 275613 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : []
< 1421354803 467861 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tails . init $ [1,2,3]
< 1421354805 229776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1,2],[2],[]]
< 1421354843 165502 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: well I was trying to make a point that "init" and "tail" can be used as building blocks of total functions.
< 1421354866 380196 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tail . inits $ [1,2,3] -- there's this counterpart, too.
< 1421354867 965130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1],[1,2],[1,2,3]]
< 1421354882 746609 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :> inits . tails $ "qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm"
< 1421354884 222513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[],["qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm"],["qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm","wertyuiopa...
< 1421354912 449647 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (>>= init . tails) . tail . inits $ [1,2,3]
< 1421354913 904318 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1],[1,2],[2],[1,2,3],[2,3],[3]]
< 1421354918 371715 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1421354919 526674 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1421354985 594560 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would agree that (!!) tends to be a special purpose operator
< 1421355029 427815 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ((0:) . scanl (+) 1) !! 10
< 1421355030 891866 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 55
< 1421355047 385638 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ((0:) . scanl (+) 1)
< 1421355051 369064 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,...
< 1421355135 528032 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mainly because when find yourself using !! a lot, lists are probably the wrong data structure to use)
< 1421356202 689162 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bugger it. I am too fucking braindead to do this homework right now. My brain keeps running in circles.
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< 1421356499 53045 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03TrudyWordzvqxsgm 5*  10New user account
< 1421356503 605113 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Abuse filter 5*  10blocked [[02User:TrudyWordzvqxsgm10]] with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation disabled): Automatically blocked by abuse filter. Description of matched rule: first edit is to user page and contains spambot-like use of br tag
< 1421356825 416226 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :br tag??
< 1421356838 615776 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know my rights and the BR tag is one of hem
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< 1421357471 380630 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lord, I see by a peek ahead to HW4 that my friend the binary tree comes back to visit again. XD
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< 1421365234 900920 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :<quintopia> when creating a new language article on the wiki, should one use the year the language was designed or the current year (year it was first published)?
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