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00:01:03 <Sketra> how do you roll an r
00:01:09 <Sketra> Show me your ways
00:01:11 <oerjan> FireFly: hm i thought most swedes could do a rolled/flapped r, is your dialect from Skåne?
00:01:26 <oren> I call the english r a w-like r, because that's the closest other sound, but i dunno what it's called officially
00:01:54 <boily> oren: it's an alveolar approximant, [ɹ].
00:02:13 <Sketra> How do you roll your r's
00:02:25 <Sketra> like all my friends can do it
00:02:37 <Sketra> And I could at one point but like idk
00:02:40 <oren> You roll an r by blowing air out and your tongue sort of flaps in the wind
00:03:11 <Sketra> do I make the r noise
00:03:20 <oren> yeas
00:03:30 <FireFly> oerjan: yeah, I was born in Lund.
00:03:37 <Sketra> omfg I cannot even do this oren my tongue just clenches upwards
00:04:33 <Sketra> iz it cuz I have a breathing problem
00:04:37 <olsner> FireFly: oh, you really can't do the normal r?
00:05:15 <FireFly> I speak some kind of mashup between dialects.. or I think it's mostly similar to standard swedish save for some funny things like having a weird r
00:05:23 <FireFly> olsner: correct
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00:06:17 <Sketra> can you like
00:06:23 <Sketra> use vacroo for an example
00:06:29 <olsner> obvious, I guess, that you wouldn't use that sound and never learn it naturally, but it still feels odd
00:06:34 <Sketra> of a rolled r
00:08:07 <boily> what's a vacroo?
00:08:22 <Sketra> small sound clip recorder website
00:08:26 <oren> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_trill
00:11:36 * boily hates flash
00:13:15 <FireFly> Flash is quite awful
00:14:12 <boily> installing audacity so I can record my voice...
00:17:02 <FireFly> I think I might pronounce r as [ʁ]
00:17:40 <FireFly> Hm
00:18:13 <FireFly> No, that doesn't seem right either
00:19:46 <boily> my feeble attempt at rolling: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3o4ik2bzoqt9dbf/roll.ogg?dl=0
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00:23:21 <HackEgo> trn: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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00:26:11 <oerjan> pretty sure i've seen em before
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00:58:56 <zzo38> I have made up a way to represent a RDF term in SQL as a pair of columns. If the first is null then the term is a IRI. If the second is null then the term is a blank node. If neither term is null then the term is a literal. If it is a language-tagged string, the lexical form is prefixed by the language-tag and an ASCII "start of text" control code.
00:59:50 <Sketra> GaSp
01:00:09 <Sketra> CoNgraTs Zzo38
01:00:15 <Sketra> WhoOooooOo
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02:05:23 <oren> Why do they tell us to buy textbooks that are available online through the university library?
02:06:46 <zzo38> Presumably in case you want to buy the book
02:07:06 <oren> But if it is online, why would i want to?
02:08:30 <zzo38> In case you like to have a book
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02:20:33 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Integral]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42101&oldid=42069 * Oerjan * (+41) bold, cat
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03:56:14 <oren> Stop deprecating the stuff I use!
03:59:06 <Tetrapyloctomy> Said he what when the where said who to the him is the there when the them ate the him?
03:59:29 <zzo38> oren: What stuff is that?
04:21:45 <Jafet> fnordbot: what is that that is what that is is that what that is that is that is that is what that is
04:21:46 <fnordbot> Jafet: all. " i think you ought to be telling us?" ford looked at a piece. within a few short vog years every last vogon had migrated to the megabrantis cluster, the political economy. deep in the heart of a dark screen, just under five years, but you will when i was a kid you just saved a lot. " so all i have to do in order to find this wretched," shouted ford. " i don't want to go to work at," and he turned. " but who the man
04:22:30 <oren> zzo38: in this case, \usepackage{fullpage}
04:26:54 <Tetrapyloctomy> that is what does what when the what that is that the what is the what what that did the it there it the did what it did who where what he did that when
04:26:58 <Tetrapyloctomy> ¿¡
04:27:56 <oren> 何何何どうだって?何何の?
04:30:29 <oren> Interesting. This page contains about 80% of the anime that I like: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SugarWiki/SweetDreamsFuel
04:33:20 <zzo38> You can look at All The Tropes wiki instead of that one, see if it contains it too
05:47:09 <mroman> FireFly: I deleted it.
05:47:18 <mroman> and moved to another hoster
05:47:35 <mroman> then I deleted the source on github and my laptop
05:51:37 <zzo38> Did you know that? I wrote a library to read Turtle RDF syntax, which might be the only one that is usable with SQL, and it is smaller than Serd.
05:52:45 <mroman> what's RDFL
05:52:47 <mroman> *RDF?
05:53:38 <zzo38> mroman: It is short for "Resource Description Framework" and you can see in Wikipedia
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06:32:57 <mroman> zzo38: chess.com
06:35:29 <zzo38> mroman: What about chess.com?
06:36:21 <mroman> or was that ais
06:36:27 <mroman> who asked about the ELO?
06:36:35 <zzo38> I did
06:36:51 <zzo38> O, so that's what you are answering, now I understand
07:02:03 <mroman> I suck at chess.
07:02:04 <mroman> Hard.
07:15:04 <mroman> blah
07:15:07 <mroman> no Fractional integer
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07:15:40 <mroman> instance Fractional Integer where a / b = a `div` b
07:15:43 <mroman> fixed it
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09:39:27 <mroman> ah screw it
09:42:31 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Burlesque]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42102&oldid=42085 * * (-67) /* Implementation */
09:43:16 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Burlesque]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42103&oldid=42102 * * (-563) /* Implementation */ actually why keep deadlinks?
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12:36:56 <mroman> http://mroman.ch/Burlesque.tar.gz [VALID FOR 24h]
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13:06:14 <mitchs> mroman, thank you :)
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13:30:05 <mroman> http://codepad.org/RwFytt7I is the source code of the IRC bot.
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13:42:13 <boily> @massages-loud
13:42:13 <lambdabot> You don't have any messages
13:44:21 <mroman> @massages-low
13:44:21 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
13:44:50 <mroman> @messages-lol
13:44:50 <lambdabot> You don't have any messages
13:46:07 <oerjan> @messages-flood
13:46:07 <lambdabot> You don't have any messages
13:50:35 <boily> mrhelloman. hellørjan.
13:51:30 <oerjan> bohily
13:51:37 <mroman> chicken dude
13:51:56 <boily> heh :D
14:04:34 <oerjan> <mroman> instance Fractional Integer where a / b = a `div` b <-- WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT
14:08:53 <boily> mroman wrote that? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
14:09:49 <mroman> oerjan: doWithBinOp binOp a b :: Num a => a -> a -> a
14:10:18 <mroman> would fail on doWithBinOp (/) (9 :: Integer) (8 :: Integer)
14:11:12 <mroman> let's just say it's VERY INCONVENIENT that all arithmetic operators are the same for Double,Int
14:11:15 <mroman> except for division
14:11:35 <mroman> where some people decided that Integer division shouldn't even have an operator
14:12:16 <oerjan> yes, they decided that integer division and floating division are too different to be considered the same operator.
14:12:36 <oerjan> AND THEY WERE RIGHT HTH
14:12:44 <mroman> no they suck
14:13:45 <mroman> Then you could as well introduce `add` `sub` `mul`
14:14:01 <oerjan> no, because integers and reals are both rings
14:14:07 <boily> rings!
14:14:27 <mroman> Like any programmer not having a group/category theory gives a rat's ass about that
14:14:38 <mroman> +background
14:14:59 * oerjan backs away from mroman and hopes it's not too infectious
14:15:30 <mroman> For this interpreter I had this neat M.Map String (Num a => a -> a -> a)
14:16:01 <mroman> and then just could lookup + * / - in that map and call the function no matter if I had Double or Integers in front of me
14:16:04 <mroman> BUT!
14:16:06 <mroman> doesn't work on integers
14:16:13 <boily> rats are a good source of vitamin C.
14:16:19 <mroman> so I'd had to add a special case for /
14:16:20 <oerjan> btw you _still_ don't get that type because not all Nums have _either_ (/) or div
14:16:27 <mroman> and that pissed me off so I just made that instance
14:16:55 <mroman> Don't care
14:17:07 <mroman> programmer experience > theory > ideology > purism
14:17:16 <mroman> That's my opinion
14:18:07 <mroman> there should be an operator for (\x y -> x ++ [y]) in prelude
14:18:12 <mroman> because writing x ++ [y] sucks
14:18:19 <oerjan> next week: mroman starts using Dynamic for _everything_
14:18:26 <mroman> No
14:18:29 <mroman> I like static type checking
14:18:46 <boily> :t (|>)
14:18:47 <lambdabot> Snoc s s a a => s -> a -> s
14:19:15 <mroman> :t (++)
14:19:16 <lambdabot> [a] -> [a] -> [a]
14:19:18 <oerjan> mroman: x ++ [y] is vaguely discouraged because it's an inefficiency trap if overused hth
14:19:29 <mroman> Lists could have been abstracted as a type class as well
14:19:39 <mroman> oerjan: It is inefficient
14:19:42 <boily> abstract lists are sequences hth.
14:20:07 <mroman> This prevents me from implementing ++ for other list like types :(
14:20:20 <mroman> i.e. to flip every bit in an integer
14:20:23 <mroman> can't use map for that
14:21:16 <oerjan> see MonoTraversable or something
14:21:43 <mroman> there should be an interface with head and tail
14:21:57 <mroman> and cons
14:22:02 <oerjan> head and tail are also vague discouraged
14:22:14 <mroman> well
14:22:15 <oerjan> (partial functions)
14:22:20 <mroman> by that logic lisp is discouraged
14:22:54 <oerjan> lisp doesn't have a tradition for pattern matching
14:23:36 <mroman> hm
14:23:41 <mroman> car on an empty list returns NIL right?
14:23:52 <oerjan> possibly
14:23:59 <mroman> yeah
14:24:01 <mroman> it does
14:24:20 <oerjan> well that's incompatible with static typing.
14:25:44 <mroman> data List a = (Nilable a) => Cons a (List a) | Empty
14:26:04 <mroman> or hm.
14:26:05 <mroman> well
14:26:10 <mroman> I'm sure it could be done in haskell as well
14:26:16 <mroman> type system is pretty fucking powerful
14:26:25 <mroman> now with type operators and type functions and shit
14:29:59 <mroman> ok not really
14:30:20 <mroman> use maybeHead then
14:30:21 <mroman> ;)
14:30:40 <mroman> and maybeHead' = fromJust . maybeHead for all the suckers out there
14:31:17 <oerjan> whew
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14:33:32 <mroman> :t ($>)
14:33:33 <lambdabot> Not in scope: ‘$>’
14:33:33 <lambdabot> Perhaps you meant one of these:
14:33:33 <lambdabot> ‘>>’ (imported from Control.Monad.Writer),
14:33:40 <mroman> :t (<$>)
14:33:41 <lambdabot> Functor f => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b
14:34:01 <oerjan> :t (??)
14:34:02 <lambdabot> Functor f => f (a -> b) -> a -> f b
14:34:03 <mroman> > (*2) <$> head' [2]
14:34:05 <lambdabot> Not in scope: ‘head'’
14:34:05 <lambdabot> Perhaps you meant one of these:
14:34:05 <lambdabot> ‘head’ (imported from Data.List),
14:34:36 <mroman> does Functor have a monad instance?
14:34:42 <oerjan> wat
14:34:50 <oerjan> Functor is a class, so no.
14:34:55 <mroman> damn
14:35:12 <oerjan> in fact, next release it's a superclass of Monad.
14:35:19 <mroman> it would be cool if you could write
14:35:28 <mroman> stuff = do { head' [2]; (*2); }
14:35:56 <oerjan> wait, do you mean functions, because they do
14:35:57 <mroman> (i.e. do inserts flip (<$>) between lines)
14:36:41 <mroman> :t <|>
14:36:42 <lambdabot> parse error on input ‘<|>’
14:36:44 <mroman> :t (<|>)
14:36:45 <lambdabot> Alternative f => f a -> f a -> f a
14:40:02 <mroman> I should implement a prototype of my crazy non-type system
14:41:28 <mroman> You don't specify the type you specify what functions the type support
14:41:31 <mroman> sort of like that
14:44:41 <mroman> i.e. for sum it would require that (+) :: a -> a -> a exists
14:44:43 <mroman> and zero :: a
14:45:50 <oerjan> i think clean has single-function typeclasses like that
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16:57:48 <oren> mroman: isn't that sort of like duck typing?
16:59:53 <boily> duck typing, the most pernicious type system of them all.
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17:29:45 <zzo38> This is the Turtle RDF parser: http://sprunge.us/ZgKN Have you ever used any other Turtle RDF parsers at all?
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17:37:01 <zzo38> Please write all of your complaints about it on here
17:37:06 <Lymia> mroman, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_type_system
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17:47:09 <DAZ_fr> hi all
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17:51:14 <oren> `relcome DAZ_fr
17:51:54 <HackEgo> DAZ_fr: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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18:44:55 <Tetrapyloctomy> Why is fungot trapped in a house with no internet
18:45:01 <Tetrapyloctomy> And is that true?
18:45:10 <zzo38> I don't know
18:45:49 <Tetrapyloctomy> Sadness is inflicted as I learn the truth
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19:15:46 <int-e> Tetrapyloctomy: it is true. the house has internet but the owner is abroad and unable to connect the computer that fungot is on.
19:16:34 <int-e> hmm, I guess it is technically false now that the house has internet.
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19:21:51 <Tetrapyloctomy> Oh
19:22:25 <FireFly> Which is why the topic was edited.
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19:24:27 <int-e> oh, Tetrapyloctomy lied.
19:28:11 <Tetrapyloctomy> I lied¿
19:30:45 <int-e> misquoted, then
19:32:25 <oren> *eyes go weird* USODA!
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19:44:14 <oren> hmmm... in regexes, ((foo)?) is the same as ((foo)|)
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19:45:44 <Taneb> I wrote a game of life implementation that runs on my GPU!
19:46:30 <oren> Awesome! is it a custom shader, or what?
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19:46:51 <Taneb> oren, it uses CUDA
19:46:56 <oren> Oh
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20:02:08 <zzo38> Don't do like that! You have to include the link of IRC logs
20:02:58 <myname> wtf
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20:15:04 <oren> Apparently if I mess up the number of glpushmatrix and glpopmatrix 's, it can force me to rebootmy computer
20:16:09 <oren> I should write a program to monitor the computer and kill firefox or any other process that starts screwing up
20:18:24 <oren> but I'm not sure how to quantify "screwing up"
20:18:37 <int-e> kill first, ask questions later
20:19:11 <oren> But see when the computer screws up too much, I can't get to terminal to do the kill
20:19:30 <oren> So I need an automatic firefox-killing bot
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20:25:38 <FireFly> oren: I think that API (using gl{Push,Pop}Matrix etc) is deprecated, btw
20:27:15 <Tetrapyloctomy> Where's taneb
20:27:23 <Tetrapyloctomy> I wanna pet him
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20:31:52 <oren> god damn it will people stop deprecating the stuff I use?!!??!
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20:40:25 <oren> first step: ps xu | sed 's/ */\t/g' | grep firefox | cut -f4 | sort -n | tail -n1
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20:52:12 <oren> second step: if the result of the previous was higher than 50, send signals 1,2,4,6,8,and 9 to firefox
20:53:41 <oren> Hmm, actually I'm not sure that will have a different effect from just sending 9?
20:56:12 <oren> Anyway I'm now running a "foxhunter" script
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21:20:45 <oerjan> <oren> Hmm, actually I'm not sure that will have a different effect from just sending 9? <-- i don't think you're supposed to send the later ones until you've confirmed the earlier ones didn't work, or something?
21:21:15 <oerjan> assuming that's the same list of signals i saw mentioned somewhere earlier
21:21:38 <oren> I just picked some other random numbers actually
21:21:54 <oerjan> with 9 being the one processes cannot ignore, but which also gives them no chance to clean up
21:22:49 <oerjan> oh and i think whoever wrote it said something to effect of "if you ever get this far, uninstall the program because it's broken"
21:23:46 <oerjan> as in, no sensible program should ignore all the previous ones
21:24:58 <oerjan> hm i'm not sure if i've mentioned this before, but surely a sensible OS would have some resources set away to ensure the OS is _always_ responsible to a user's attempt to kill programs.
21:25:17 <oerjan> (not implying that sensible OSes actually exist)
21:26:26 <oerjan> i guess it might be hard to ensure this in a system complicated enought to have a GUI
21:26:32 <oerjan> *-t
21:27:42 <oerjan> (i've been thinking about this recently after i had to reboot _hard_ because i stupidly did head (last [1::Int ..]) in ghci when responding to a stackoverflow question)
21:27:55 <oerjan> although in afterthought, i never actually tried ^C
21:29:21 <FireFly> ...
21:30:03 <FireFly> I usually switch over to tty and kill the process from there whenever something consumes enough memory for everything to grind to a halt
21:30:11 <oerjan> i only tried to get winghci's abort command
21:30:18 <oerjan> well this was windows
21:30:39 <oerjan> *abort button
21:31:06 <oerjan> i suppose linux may have better ways
21:31:48 <FireFly> ah
21:33:22 <oren> When firefox starts killing my computer, I have tried ctrl-alt-F1 but it doesn't respond
21:34:00 <oerjan> oh right i didn't try alt-f4 either
21:34:11 <oren> Which is why I have made an automated foxhunter
21:34:17 <oerjan> it is quite possible i panicked too early :P
21:38:11 <FireFly> Doesn't X usually run on tty 1?
21:38:31 <FireFly> For me at least
21:38:35 <zzo38> Not as far as I know
21:38:57 <zzo38> Usually I find X on screen 7
21:39:12 <zzo38> While screens 1-6 are text screens
21:41:50 <FireFly> I think it moved to tty 1 for me in conjunction with Arch switching to systemd?
21:43:03 <FireFly> Not sure
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21:47:24 <oren> For me X is screen 7, screen 8 is black, and the rest are login prompts
21:48:06 <elliott> hi graue
21:50:04 <graue> hey elliott
21:50:10 <graue> what's new?
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21:50:33 <elliott> probably not much :p
21:52:23 <graue> i'm setting up my raspberry pi for the first time in a year and a half. joined irc because it's one of the few things you can do to cure boredom on a text-only computer
21:53:12 <graue> (waiting for updates to install, etc)
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21:54:02 <elliott> there have probably been new interesting languages or something but I don't recall any
21:54:31 <graue> i kinda want to play with Hev sometime, did you ever look at that one?
21:54:54 <zzo38> There are many programs that can run even in text-only mode
21:55:34 <graue> zzo38: for sure, in fact Facebook's mobile site even works fine in w3m.
21:57:55 <elliott> I think I read the Hev spec once...
21:58:12 <elliott> I rarely get to the point of actually writing things in esolangs
21:58:17 <graue> it makes precedence explicit by having all operators be natural numbers
21:58:26 <graue> me too, but when you do, that's the fun part :)
22:01:05 <Phantom_Hoover> graue!?
22:04:08 <graue> wherefore the interrobang?
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22:06:20 <oerjan> because he's spotted the rare and exotic graue
22:09:39 <graue> if anything, i think not being on irc much makes me less rare and exotic :D
22:09:49 <graue> y'all are the rare and exotic ones
22:10:57 <elliott> isn't not being around much the definition of rare :p
22:15:21 <oren> rare means the steak isn't cooked properly because you're trying to be fancy
22:17:40 <graue> oren understands
22:20:31 <elliott> so graue is like an undercooked steak
22:20:57 <boily> rare is too much cooked. blue or nothing.
22:21:43 <elliott> honestly i just gnaw on the cow directly. nothing else is good enough for me
22:21:49 <elliott> preferably while it's still alive
22:21:51 <zzo38> How can I program the proper way to resolve a relative URI into absolute by use of a C code?
22:22:19 <FireFly> elliott: I thought that was "bloody"
22:34:49 * Tetrapyloctomy stares at elliott
22:34:57 <Tetrapyloctomy> -3-
22:39:22 <oerjan> @wn pyloctomy
22:39:24 <lambdabot> No match for "pyloctomy".
22:39:30 <oerjan> hm...
22:39:53 <oerjan> oh fancy
22:42:04 <oerjan> divide et pecte
22:46:52 <boily> Tetraphelloctomy. why are you staring at elliott?
22:49:35 <oerjan> uncouth eating habits hth
22:52:07 <boily> staring at elliott drains his lifeforce???
22:52:28 <oerjan> no, elliott has uncouth eating habits hth
22:53:33 <graue> hth = happy to hallucinate?
22:53:40 <oerjan> `
22:53:44 <oerjan> oops
22:53:48 <oerjan> `? hth
22:53:58 <HackEgo> hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous.
22:53:58 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
23:03:37 <boily> graue: what are your approximate coördinates, and body weigh? what is your favourite bagel style?
23:09:36 <graue> boily: 37N 122W, ~1e2 lbs, whole wheat with sesame seeds, you?
23:12:20 <boily> ah, another Westcoastian!
23:12:50 <boily> Montréal, ~1.5e2 lbs, Montréal style with poppyseeds.
23:13:41 <graue> i just had my first Montreal style bagel last week... place in Oakland people have been raving about, started by transplants, apparently
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23:21:44 <zzo38> I have read about Montreal style bagels, but since I don't live there, I didn't eat it
23:29:16 <FireFly> That sounds tasty, maybe I should bake some bagles
23:31:43 <zzo38> graue: How high is your elevation from the Earth though?
23:34:46 <oerjan> the esoteric survey just keep getting harder
23:34:50 <oerjan> *+s
23:47:50 <oren> AAAAAA
23:52:32 <coppro> the mistake is coding in opengl
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23:57:13 <oren> Yah, but this is an assignment. Well, screw it it's not well done but I did it. Handing in, it won't get marked anyway cuz the TA's are on strike.
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