00:00:42 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 00:07:49 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 00:12:23 @tell Vorpal https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20150319-mtv.jpg 00:12:23 Consider it noted. 00:17:22 -!- bb010g has joined. 00:24:16 -!- Lymia has joined. 00:25:59 -!- iamevn has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:31:01 oerjan: They're entirely different. ш is /ʃ/ while сь is /s'/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejective_consonant has a sample of the latter. 00:31:34 (so fortunately my first instinct was about right: s' starts out pretty much like a normal s) 00:31:51 (but I wasn't certain enough about that to share that idea) 00:33:45 g'night 00:34:15 java still keeps blocking wikipedia's sound app :( 00:34:26 -!- \oren\ has quit (Quit: leaving). 00:35:03 -!- oren has joined. 00:36:24 @tell int-e I am extremely skeptical at your ejective consonant claim, are you sure the ' you found was really meant as the proper ipa symbol? 00:36:25 Consider it noted. 00:36:39 no. 00:37:18 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_phonology doesn't use that symbol 00:38:42 Still... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Ru-%D0%B2%D1%8B%D1%81%D1%8C.ogg 00:38:56 nowhere near /ʃ/ 00:39:10 which one 00:39:19 высь 00:39:37 on the page you just linked to 00:39:41 bah 00:40:06 i basically cannot listen to any mediawiki sounds 00:40:51 [sʲ] is what they use there, mm. 00:41:52 Anyway, I really should sleep. 00:42:36 sweet dreams 00:44:03 if ш is in the same spot as ж then i think i get a better idea, the latter is supposedly slightly retroflexy 00:44:30 oh wait it says retroflex on the ipa link 00:44:41 fungot: are you retroflexy? 00:44:42 boily: well then. how's the implementation?') on channel in case am being ignored, since i don't think 00:45:01 fungot: yes you think. 00:45:01 boily: that was a bit of predicates 00:45:08 fungot: touché. 00:45:08 boily: the whole point of standards is fnord? ( i never used modems as file storages! type `/msg egobot !hangman word 00:45:15 ok ш is supposedly about the same as norwegian rs 00:45:59 ah fungot has detected the true evil of standards 00:45:59 oerjan: maybe you?)) for fnord and fnord." and by " right thing" 00:45:59 oerjan: you got me trying to pronounce an «r» at the same place as a ш. it's not a good feeling. 00:46:20 boily: um rs is _not_ a trill in norwegian hth 00:46:37 it's just an honest-to-goodness retroflex fricative 00:46:39 what? “rs” is a digraph? 00:46:43 yes 00:46:51 * boily shudders 00:46:57 r+dental generally means retroflex in norwegian 00:47:11 sometimes even across word boundaries 00:47:52 yesterday I learned that I'm French, and today you're telling me that retroflexes spill across boundaries. we live in a mad world. 00:48:44 indeed 00:49:06 on the plus side, that's about the only sandhi/liaison norwegian has 00:49:13 iirc 00:51:25 boily: norwegian has many digraphs. gj, kj, sj, even a trigraph: skj (same sound as sj) 00:52:28 * boily sings «gje gje gje gje ♪» 00:52:29 sk may count too, it's also the same sound in front of some vowels/diphthongs 00:52:52 boily: that's exactly how it's pronounced 00:53:02 may also be written just j 00:53:12 or just g in front of the same vowels 00:53:52 that's a general feature of the combinations ending in j 00:55:05 we're not big on unique spelling of phonemes 00:58:15 * oerjan idly tests that his own dialect also sandhis palatalization 00:58:33 but that's not a feature of the norwegian that's taught to foreigners 00:58:46 sandhi tte nani? 00:59:01 oren: wat 00:59:14 what is sandhi? 00:59:58 a term from sanskrit 01:00:25 that language is supposedly even fiercer than french at making phonology cross word boundaries 01:01:04 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandhi 01:02:09 french "liaison" is a subset 01:04:06 apparently it also covers things inside words 01:04:46 i guess norwegian has some more of that 01:06:12 Hmm... So japanese rendaku is included 01:06:21 was just about to mention that 01:07:45 French liaison is strangely logical, and goes with the actually written spelled letters. 01:09:18 if only the french would put ' whereever letters aren't said, that would be great 01:10:13 like je parl' tu parl' 01:11:10 nic' idea 01:11:53 A'tho' not that english has any ri't telling french what to do in that regard 01:12:31 bless you 01:13:13 seriously I can't think of a word in which 'gh' is pronounced 01:13:32 Oh, rite, the word laff! 01:15:01 (that is, 'laugh' which is not /læug/) 01:16:17 A good moderate spelling reform would be to respell all words containing 'gh' 01:17:16 (except benghazi and other legitimately foreign words) 01:19:12 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 01:20:12 -!- Vorpal has joined. 01:20:12 -!- Vorpal has quit (Changing host). 01:20:12 -!- Vorpal has joined. 01:21:39 ch'parl', tsu parl', i parl', a parl', on parl', vous parlez, i parl'. 01:22:00 (probably «vou parlé» if you're going to be phonetic.) 01:22:26 tsu? a? 01:22:52 you are not making a good argument for making french spelling phonetic :P 01:23:38 -!- v4s has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 01:23:39 the brite gost ruffly laffed at the eity hi firefiters 01:23:42 * oerjan has no idea what "a" is supposed to be 01:24:12 ok unless you're crazy enough to pronounce elle that way 01:24:58 muah ah ah ah ah. 01:25:13 yes, it's informally pronounced that way. 01:25:28 of course the words tho and thru are already standard spellings 01:26:16 oren: /se.skæ.lɑ.dzi/ ← “that's what she said” 01:26:19 -!- v4s has joined. 01:26:24 -!- erdic has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 01:27:03 s/oren/oerjan/, but I guess oren fits too. 01:27:29 ce est que l'elle dit? 01:28:19 did I get that right? 01:28:23 -!- erdic has joined. 01:28:27 «c'est ce qu'elle a dit», but close enough. 01:28:29 s/right/rite/ 01:29:02 enuff 01:29:59 the /l/ in there is liaison between «elle» and «a». if it hadn't been there, it would've been /se.skæˑ.dzi/ «c'est ce qu'elle dit». 01:30:58 feendish 01:31:50 devadehosa 01:32:05 what's a devadehosa? 01:32:20 *dævadæhosa 01:33:08 fungot: oerjan is speaking in tongues again. care to translate? 01:33:09 boily: very cool. fpga). fnord) some kind of pervert. " let out your inner perl programmer! 01:33:32 very good, except the perl 01:33:36 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:34:41 boily: i merely translated your phrase to my dialect. after a brief detour through some other dialect because i couldn't remember my own hth also it's stressed on the o 01:35:32 (it may possibly be my grandparents') 01:35:48 print"this is a regex matching itself"if($i~=s/(??{$i})/) 01:36:27 * boily mapoles oren for public indecency 01:36:55 oerjan: that's what your grandmother said. 01:37:16 devadehofarmorsa 01:41:58 hmm, so we have fite-fought, buy-bought, seek-sought, and teach-taught. What the hell is this somewhat-regular insanity 01:42:21 fight 01:42:57 So we'd spell them fot, bot, sot, and tot respectively? 01:44:35 ring-rang-rung, sing-sang-sung, bring-brang-brung... 01:45:00 brot 01:45:12 boring. (borang, borung :P) 01:45:49 P: 01:46:02 I can't do that, my tongue's not long enough. 01:46:35 proto-indoeuropean was a badass language 01:46:58 oerjan: based on phonology alone, even 01:47:08 yep 01:47:13 (French verbs are regular too! devoir-dû, avoir-eu, lire-lu, mouvoir-mu, pouvoir-pu, savoir-su, taire-tu, voir-vu...) 01:47:34 (s/mu/mû/) 01:47:44 boily: but you can't blame those on PIE so much 01:48:21 drive drove driven dive dove divven? 01:48:21 my feeling is that pouvoir and voir can be easily traced back to PIE without too many changes. 01:48:37 maybe a time traveller took french back and it eventually turned into PIE 01:48:52 drive driven, gave given, it's dangerous to stay ♪ 01:49:03 boily: well sure, but the fact they're that irregular in french isn't really PIE's fault 01:49:11 potere 01:49:16 unlike sing/sang/sung 01:49:24 oren: potesse, actually 01:49:26 wait 01:49:28 *posse 01:49:36 wait 01:49:41 let me look it up 01:50:08 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/possum#Latin 01:50:11 posse was right 01:50:33 so yeah it was irregular in latin but french turned it up a notch 01:50:52 voir wasn't really that irregular though 01:50:58 I like the way only two verbs in Japanese are irregular 01:51:02 ...ok maybe a little 01:51:26 -!- ^v^v has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:51:29 unfortunately they are very common verbs 01:51:52 -!- ^v^v has joined. 01:51:54 avoir and être have endless resources of fun! syncretism for the win! 01:52:15 i think avoir was entirely regular in latin 01:53:01 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/habeo 01:53:02 j'ai, j'aurai, j'avais, j'ai eu, que j'aie... 01:53:35 je suis, je serai, j'étais, j'ai été, que je sois. 01:53:38 être not so much, and i learned the other day that some of that _does_ go back to PIE 01:54:43 taberu-tabenai-tabeta-tabemasu(eat) iru-inai-itta-imasu(to be) but then... kuru-konai-katta-kimasu(to come, WTF) 01:54:45 Spanish kept their ser y estar separate, whereas we conflagrated ours. 01:55:17 hm i'm not sure whether ha in norwegian counts as irregular or not. 01:55:19 oren: I'm drawing a blank for する's past... 01:55:27 boily: that means to burn, you want conflated, to conflagrated 01:55:29 være (to be) certainly does 01:55:44 `? conflagration 01:55:45 conflagration? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:55:52 darn. what was it again? 01:56:03 oren: I know. it was entirely volitional. 01:56:05 otoh verbs have so few forms you can't really get up to french proportions regardless 01:56:15 `? szoup 01:56:16 A szoup a szilárd tápszereknek híg alakban való elkészítése a célból, hogy könnyebben emészthetők legyenek; a hígító anyag a viz, mely feloldja s magába veszi a tápanyag legértékesebb részeit. 01:56:21 nope. 01:56:21 `run ls wisdom/*con* 01:56:22 wisdom/conspirabiology \ wisdom/context 01:56:29 `run ls wisdom/*fla* 01:56:30 wisdom/disflagrate \ wisdom/flagpole \ wisdom/weetoflake 01:56:30 `? disflagration 01:56:31 disflagration? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:56:34 `? disflagrate 01:56:35 disflagrate v.t.perf.: a traditional technique from Poland (earliest attestation c. 1042) used to separate szoups. Nowadays, commercial production is entirely mechanized. 01:57:12 suru-shinai-shita-shimasu is a little more regular than kuru 01:57:31 'night all! 01:57:37 -!- boily has quit (Quit: CARTILAGINOUS CHICKEN). 01:59:24 oren: so that makes 3 irregular verbs? 01:59:37 * oerjan recalls reading once that turkish has only 1 01:59:42 (to be) 02:02:14 "Almost all Turkish verbs are conjugated in the same way, most notable exception being the irregular and defective verb i-, the Turkish copula (corresponding to English to be) [...]" 02:02:29 i guess as usual, exaggerated 02:04:11 -!- olsner has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 02:06:19 oerjan: yeah. the three would be kuru, suru, and aru which goes aru-nai-atta-arimasu 02:06:44 everything else falls into one of two patterns 02:07:18 `? weeotflake 02:07:19 weeotflake? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:07:23 `? weetoflake 02:07:24 Weetoflakes are something Taneb invented; they taste sort of purple. 02:07:36 That is satisfactory. 02:08:41 `run ls wisdom/*fal* 02:08:43 wisdom/false 02:08:46 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 02:08:53 `? false 02:08:54 false is a very old stack-based language. For an authentic experience, run it on an Amiga. It's also not true. 02:10:51 -!- olsner has joined. 02:12:50 -!- vodkode has joined. 02:32:55 -!- TieSoul has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:33:13 -!- TieSoul has joined. 02:49:57 how the hell am I suppose to remember which is conjunction and which is disjunction? why can't we call them anding and orring? 02:51:29 anding normal form is an anding of orrings of literals, where a literal is either an atom or its notting. 02:51:50 notting orrible about that 02:56:25 -!- shachaf has joined. 02:58:25 -!- Lymia has joined. 02:59:31 hi shachaf! 02:59:54 hi oerjan 03:28:54 -!- vodkode has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:32:16 -!- shikhin_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 03:44:50 -!- hjulle has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 04:08:08 -!- vodkode has joined. 04:11:14 -!- adu has joined. 04:25:51 -!- edwardk has joined. 04:42:34 hi edwardk 04:47:36 heya 04:48:10 oerjan: complete coïncidence hth 04:48:25 shachaf: IF YOU SAY SO 04:53:09 -!- ProofTechnique has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 04:55:53 -!- Sgeo has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:58:49 -!- oren has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 05:01:58 -!- oren has joined. 05:02:36 -!- Sgeo has joined. 05:29:04 -!- ProofTechnique has joined. 07:00:16 -!- vodkode has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 07:02:56 -!- vodkode has joined. 07:06:13 -!- L8D has joined. 07:06:43 is there a channel for discussion around experimental programming language design? 07:06:53 or is that this channel? 07:07:14 or maybe there's a forum I should go to 07:07:31 ostensibly, yes 07:07:37 in practice, it's a channel for discussion of anything bug 07:07:40 *but 07:07:46 but yeah, programming language discussion is welcome 07:08:03 so I'm just looking for opinions on this one language I'm designing 07:08:33 is it a brainfuck variant? 07:08:40 nope 07:08:41 http://lpaste.net/127721 07:08:56 It's not esoteric in the sense the befunge and brainfuck are 07:09:06 which is why I'm curious if this is the right channel 07:09:49 is this... defining the values in terms of the functions, rather than the functions in terms of the values? 07:09:55 imo this is the right channel for anything in theoretical computer science 07:09:58 basically, it's a combination of Haskell and an absurd Self dialect 07:10:33 yeah this is definitely the right channel for htat 07:10:44 myname: I'd love to chat about quantum algorithms sometime 07:10:57 coppro: ok so here's the thing 07:11:10 there are two types of values 07:11:13 functions, and objects 07:11:15 f x 07:11:26 is f is a function, then it is applying f to x 07:11:30 if * 07:11:47 if f is an object, then it is calling/retrieving the method x of f 07:12:23 at the top-level are namespace declarations 07:12:31 well, class declarations 07:13:12 a class declaration is just a namespace of functions 07:13:19 have you seen http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page 07:13:21 ? 07:13:24 I have 07:13:38 I think I wrote an article in there actually 07:13:46 but it was a long time ago, and I was dumb 07:13:56 (and for a brainfuck derivative) 07:14:07 that's ok, a lot of them are dumb... oh nevermind, you suck 07:14:16 :P 07:14:21 but seriously, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Tarpit 07:14:32 who came up with that crap? 07:15:46 I'm just here to get some first thoughts on the syntax and general ideas behind the language 07:16:13 or any suggestions on good ways to implement it, or where to learn to write a specification for it 07:16:38 I'm not so good on the thinking bit 07:17:10 implementation side, usually you want to go lexer -> parser -> AST -> semantic analysis -> generation/execution 07:17:18 well I know that 07:17:26 ah ok, good :) 07:17:36 for the grammar, decide what your tokens are, and then write a grammar 07:17:40 I've written a few toy-language interpreters in my time 07:17:53 I'm also currently writing a parser for this exact code 07:17:59 ah, ok 07:18:23 I'm not really sure what advice I could offer on implementation then 07:18:37 that's ok 07:18:58 Also, I need a good name 07:18:59 unless you have specific questions 07:19:07 how are you on spec writing? 07:19:30 I've never written a formal language spec before 07:19:37 so I don't know where to start 07:20:22 there are a number of approaches. Often a very readable way is to take the grammar, and basically annotate the productions 07:21:39 there tends to be a fair bit of boilerplate, like the part where you explain your variant of EBNF 07:24:04 on the semantics side of things, I have no idea how I'm going to implement monadic blocks, and how I'm going to solve type ambiguity problems 07:24:20 monadic blocks? 07:25:04 as in, multi-line blocks of monadic computations 07:25:17 like do-blocks? 07:25:19 in terms of syntax though 07:25:22 yeah do-blocks 07:25:34 go the agda route and just allow inventing arbitrary syntax :P 07:25:58 well part of the purpose of the language is to have incredibly minimal/simple syntax 07:26:06 have you seen agda? 07:26:33 I've seen Idris and Haskell, and the only thing I know about agda is that you can use anything as a variable name 07:26:38 it's a fascinating example of custom syntax gone horribly wrong. 07:26:45 or horribly right, depending on perspective 07:27:09 yeah, in agda there are a very small number of reserved characters, and as long as you don't use one, you can write whatever. 07:27:11 for example, if statements look like: if some_expr then true_case else false_case 07:27:14 BUT 07:27:24 -!- Patashu has joined. 07:27:25 sort of 07:27:30 that is because 'if' is the 'id' function (alternate name) 07:27:36 the name is actually if_then_else 07:27:38 err 07:27:40 if_then_else_ 07:27:47 the underscores represent places for arguments 07:27:50 and 'then' is a method on booleans to return maybes 07:28:02 and 'else' is a method on maybes to unwrap themselves 07:28:23 there's also the 'case' method on booleans for doing this without the extra syntax 07:28:29 some_expr if true_case false_case 07:28:35 whoops 07:28:35 yeah, that's not how it's done 07:28:37 see 07:28:39 http://wiki.portal.chalmers.se/agda/pmwiki.php?n=ReferenceManual.Mixfix 07:28:43 some_expr case true_case false_case 07:28:47 no no no 07:28:48 dude 07:28:51 I'm talking about my language 07:28:53 oerjan: Did they ever take care of the issue with ":i ->" in ghci? 07:28:57 L8D: ohhhhh 07:31:07 another problem I have 07:31:54 since all types are inferred, creating and using monads and custom types will be a problem 07:32:09 which is the type ambiguity problem 07:32:21 right 07:32:30 so there probably will have to be some way of annotating types, but the under-the-hood type system is too crazy 07:33:11 shachaf: um i didn't get any real response so i assume not? 07:33:14 to achieve class-less polymorphism I have to denote types as sets of possible methods and their types 07:33:36 oerjan: I'm talking about a different bug I reported a while ago, where :i (->) works and :i -> doesn't. 07:33:41 oh. 07:33:47 Oh, I guess your bug is old, I thought it was from just now. 07:33:56 But it's the patch which is from just now. 07:34:14 it's not that old 07:34:20 a month or so? 07:34:24 12 days 07:34:48 wait argh 07:35:23 I also have no idea how inheritance will work 07:36:22 shachaf: i didn't get it in the mail yet 07:36:38 Oh. I did. 07:36:39 and have been missing Cc: messages from the trac 07:37:29 why isn't that phab thing a link 07:38:23 also int-e has also been missing some, so it's not just my mail 07:38:54 shachaf: wait obviously you don't count, ghc-tickets is working fine. 07:39:09 but i am not subscribing to that, just Cc:ed 07:39:39 It's annoying when that when you subscribe to ghc-tickets, tickets you're Cc:ed on stop reaching you. 07:39:54 Somehow it all gets merged into one. There isn't a way to discriminate even in the headers. 07:40:10 oh well at least the trac allows me to search for what i'm Cc:ed on 07:40:51 except that doesn't _really_ help because the search doesn't have any "last change" column 07:41:46 so where does one report a bug in the trac itself :P 07:43:13 to achieve class-less polymorphism I have to denote types as sets of possible methods and their types <-- sounds like ocaml except it has classes too 07:45:08 and iirc some extra hoops you have to go through when using subclasses 07:45:54 oh wait it's a link in the status menu 07:47:26 oerjan: https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/query?status=closed&status=infoneeded&status=merge&status=new&status=patch&status=upstream&cc=~oerjan&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=owner&col=type&col=priority&col=milestone&col=changetime&order=changetime hth 07:47:43 aha 07:47:44 you gotta click on the thing that says columns 07:47:50 i didn't see it at first either 07:51:07 ok all is ... well, not quite as annoying 07:54:08 This Cc: bug must be a conspiracy, since I just look at all the tickets as a result. 07:55:04 -!- vodkode has left ("Leaving"). 07:55:13 -!- L8D has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:46:38 -!- L8D has joined. 08:56:45 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 08:59:26 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 09:19:30 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:22:03 -!- v^ has joined. 09:23:43 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 09:25:41 -!- ^v^v has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 09:37:55 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 09:37:56 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:44:29 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:10:58 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 10:23:09 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 10:36:24 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:10:54 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 11:15:10 [wiki] [[Talk:Brainfuck]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42147&oldid=42146 * Keymaker * (+189) /* Knuth's Arrow Notation */ 11:28:27 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 11:47:46 -!- S1 has joined. 11:48:11 -!- S1 has left. 12:56:17 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 13:05:10 -!- Decim has joined. 13:06:25 -!- ais523 has joined. 13:07:16 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:09:33 `olist 978 13:09:34 olist 978: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti 13:15:10 -!- L8D has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:16:33 -!- Decim has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 13:37:44 -!- password2 has joined. 13:37:49 -!- L8D has joined. 13:37:59 -!- Tritonio has joined. 13:42:37 -!- L8D has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 13:51:50 -!- hjulle has joined. 14:07:12 "On behalf of IT, this IT Alert Notification was brought to you by the Help Desk in the Customer Support Department. This is a group email account and its been monitored 24/7, therefore, please do not ignore this notification, because its very compulsory." 14:07:35 signed "Admin Service", and copyright to "Microsoft outlook" 14:08:50 :/ 14:09:08 Spam? 14:09:45 how could it not be spam 14:15:11 -!- v^ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:15:35 -!- v^ has joined. 14:17:28 Very compulsory spam,. 14:17:48 -!- adu has joined. 14:32:41 and even copyrighted 14:34:26 -!- shikhin has joined. 14:35:32 password2: that makes it official. 14:36:37 -!- bb010g has joined. 14:36:50 ofc 14:37:53 password2, stop hacking all my accounts and display my secret passwords in public like that! 14:38:02 so annoying 14:38:17 ok 14:40:19 * Zuu rolls the number on all his passwords, again! 14:43:57 3 14:44:25 Argh! 14:47:29 12 -i6.28 14:55:05 Is that 12-itau? 14:55:58 ais523: If spam was real, everybody would be so rich 14:56:33 FreeFull: nah, if spam was real, nobody's email account would work 14:56:41 so you wouldn't be able to receive the trillion dollar donations 14:57:22 That is a very complex password 14:59:59 -!- oren has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 15:01:49 FreeFull: yes 15:07:09 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 15:07:51 -!- password2 has quit (Quit: Page closed). 15:11:57 -!- oren has joined. 15:37:29 -!- oren has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 15:46:03 -!- hjulle has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 15:53:58 -!- hjulle has joined. 15:54:33 -!- oren has joined. 16:03:04 -!- hjulle has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 16:21:15 -!- L8D has joined. 16:25:49 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 16:26:12 -!- L8D has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 16:33:21 -!- ^v^v has joined. 16:37:47 -!- v^ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 16:56:45 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 17:04:15 -!- shikhin_ has joined. 17:07:25 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 17:31:52 [wiki] [[Talk:QWERTY Keyboard Dot Language]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42148 * 80.222.241.129 * (+2) Created page with "xd" 17:47:45 -!- ProofTechnique has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 17:50:10 Which programming languages are usable (by which i mean, by madmen, not necessary regular people) as an OS interface? 17:50:56 IIRC lisp and forth were used, are there any others 17:52:59 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:56:00 oren: what do you mean "an OS interface"? 17:56:09 do you mean like a shell? 17:56:21 b_jonas: yeah in the same capacity as a shell 17:56:29 BASIC definitely then 17:56:35 in old computers, BASIC was the shell 17:56:43 Oh right *slaps forhed* 17:57:57 Perl could work, I wonder if anyone does that 17:58:33 well, I have a rescue entry in the window manager menu to start a terminal emulator with perl loaded, in case I mess up the shell so much it can't start 17:58:47 as in, while the computer and X11 and the window manager is already running 17:59:03 ah 17:59:16 but you could basically use anything that way, not only perl 17:59:47 you could use, say, emacs (I don't have one on my machine but you know) 17:59:51 or vim 18:00:13 Anything that has the ability to run external programs anyway, certainly 18:00:23 PHP 18:00:25 -!- TieSoul has changed nick to TieSoul_. 18:00:26 anyway, some APL and the smalltalk ide were used as shells 18:00:32 -!- TieSoul_ has changed nick to TieSoul. 18:00:37 eww no, not php 18:00:51 ruby (irb) or python rather 18:01:59 [wiki] [[Talk:Brainfuck]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42149&oldid=42147 * SuperJedi224 * (+12) /* Knuth's Arrow Notation */ 18:02:07 [wiki] [[Talk:Brainfuck]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42150&oldid=42149 * SuperJedi224 * (+96) /* Knuth's Arrow Notation */ 18:07:45 Madmen? grub2 command line 18:09:55 EFI shell 18:22:14 -!- ^v^v has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:22:41 -!- ^v^v has joined. 18:24:37 -!- MoALTz has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:25:48 [wiki] [[Matrix]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42151&oldid=17326 * 85.250.112.204 * (+0) 18:39:40 -!- perrier has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:40:56 -!- perrier has joined. 18:41:18 -!- perrier has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:42:31 -!- perrier has joined. 18:43:18 -!- perrier has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:44:34 -!- perrier has joined. 18:54:45 -!- ProofTechnique has joined. 18:57:22 -!- shikhin_ has changed nick to shikhin. 19:00:49 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 19:04:29 -!- perrier has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:05:52 -!- perrier has joined. 19:08:33 -!- sebbu has joined. 19:12:28 -!- perrier has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:13:45 -!- perrier has joined. 19:17:27 -!- ProofTechnique has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 19:21:56 -!- ProofTechnique has joined. 19:31:47 is there some windows program that can tell me which program is opening iexplore in the background? 19:36:47 quintopia: any program that uses windows's XML parsing library, I hear 19:39:37 so meta... http://www.sandraandwoo.com/2015/03/19/0668-deus-ex-machina/ 19:40:20 quintopia: I'd look into the Sysinternals stuff. 19:40:38 https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb795533.aspx has some overview list 19:41:11 Process Explorer/Monitor tend to be the most generally useful. 19:43:08 what would happen if I ran pkill pkill 19:43:25 would the process commit suicide 19:43:58 hmm, how would I tell? 19:44:01 > killall killall 19:44:01 killall: no process found 19:44:02 Not in scope: ‘killall’Not in scope: ‘killall’ 19:44:12 @botsnack 19:44:12 :) 19:44:47 pkill is silent, killall returns an error 19:46:39 but pkill pkill doesn't attempt to kill itself either. It will kill other running copies of pkill, however. 19:47:17 (tested with strace -ekill pkill pkill and gdb for having a stopped pkill around) 19:48:03 All 19:48:10 Your 19:48:20 Processes 19:48:25 Are 19:48:29 Belong 19:48:33 To 19:48:49 Teh NSA 19:48:52 * int-e is ashamed. 19:49:23 (I expected U.S.) 19:49:36 I wasn't even born when that game came out 19:50:17 I was born then, I never played the game. It didn't save me from the meme. 19:50:23 Quality of translations has gone way up 19:51:04 -!- Fleur has joined. 19:51:05 (The meme was started much later anyway; in 2000/2001, according to Wikipedia) 19:51:32 Maybe it had to wait until most games had good translation 19:51:37 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 19:52:52 Nowadays even games that have a bad translation at first are likely to be patched later on. Without broadband internet, patches were really rare. 19:53:27 zero wings? 19:53:27 (Just imagine, software back then had to work out of the box!) 19:54:00 int-e: well, even then software had bugs and sometimes had newer fixed versions released 19:54:08 (Though of course, there were plenty of bugs back then as well.) 19:54:52 MAIA HIII MAIA HUUU MAIA HAAA MAIA HAHA 19:55:03 of course only some bugs got fixed, others remained because they didn't impact normal gameplay much, or because they would have been technically difficult to fix with the limited hardware 19:55:51 b_jonas: Some bugs were awesome, for example the one in pokemon that let you get mew 19:56:25 get mew? you're not supposed to do that 19:56:35 what happens if you get mew? can you have it fight? 19:56:42 Yes 19:56:52 and which game is that? 19:57:03 pokemon red/blue 19:57:59 well that game was full of crazy bugs, basically the item screen can be glitched into modifying arbitrary memory 19:58:52 -!- L8D has joined. 20:00:45 yes, I know 20:01:40 -!- Patashu has joined. 20:03:38 -!- L8D has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:20:52 -!- FleurRose has joined. 20:21:58 -!- nortti has changed nick to lawspeaker. 20:22:23 -!- lawspeaker has changed nick to nortti. 20:22:32 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 20:23:14 -!- Fleur has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 20:28:04 -!- Lymia has joined. 21:07:31 [wiki] [[ArrayZ]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42152&oldid=40653 * GeorgeEpicGen * (-4055) This page is to be deleted 21:08:11 [wiki] [[Language list]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42153&oldid=42139 * GeorgeEpicGen * (-13) /* A */ 21:08:29 `? the US 21:08:30 The US is the country opposed to the THEM. 21:08:45 `? canada 21:08:46 Canada is Big Scotland. Like, you know, very big. 21:08:50 lol 21:09:34 You have no chance to survive make your time 21:10:48 Someone should make a game and translate it that badly into japanese 21:21:32 Hmm... it's actually hard to make errors in Japanese that don't just sound like colloquial 21:23:43 But then "what you say" is sort of correct colloquial english 21:24:48 Which natural language is the most fault-tolerant 21:35:28 Actually, typewritten japanese is extremely un fault tolerant because of the kanji. 21:50:47 oren, Well you can probably make yourself at least partially understood in most natural languages when it comes to wording and such. Even if it isn't idiomatic or even correct, there is enough information for a human to guess what was meant 21:55:12 -!- boily has joined. 21:56:12 -!- FleurRose has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:01:34 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 22:07:08 -!- Fleur has joined. 22:28:59 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Iamevn * New user account 22:42:47 [wiki] [[User talk:SuperJedi224]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42154&oldid=41325 * SuperJedi224 * (+238) /* Developing a language which compiles to BrainF*** */ new section 22:43:06 [wiki] [[User talk:SuperJedi224]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42155&oldid=42154 * SuperJedi224 * (+13) /* Developing a language which compiles to BrainF*** */ 22:44:02 [wiki] [[User talk:SuperJedi224]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42156&oldid=42155 * SuperJedi224 * (+89) /* Developing a language which compiles to BrainF*** */ 22:44:56 [wiki] [[User talk:SuperJedi224]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42157&oldid=42156 * SuperJedi224 * (+26) /* Developing a language which compiles to BrainF*** */ 22:46:28 -!- adu has joined. 22:46:48 [wiki] [[User talk:SuperJedi224]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42158&oldid=42157 * SuperJedi224 * (+82) /* Developing a language which compiles to BrainF*** */ 22:50:37 -!- Fleur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:04:35 -!- shikhin_ has joined. 23:06:07 -!- shikhin has quit (Disconnected by services). 23:06:08 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 23:06:10 -!- shikhin_ has changed nick to shikhin. 23:24:48 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:25:43 @tell Gregor the logs' time is 3 minutes early hth 23:25:43 Consider it noted. 23:27:53 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 23:36:17 -!- L8D has joined. 23:38:40 `olist 978 <-- nice title 23:39:23 -!- GeekDude has joined. 23:39:27 (i only recognize the reference because of sheldon's poetry comics) 23:40:14 but i shall presume all americans read it in school, or something 23:41:07 oh or british 23:41:08 -!- L8D has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 23:47:36 hellørjan. sheldon? 23:49:22 helløily 23:51:06 shëllochëllof. 23:51:06 http://www.sheldoncomics.com/ 23:51:16 tdh. 23:52:12 Emperor of Canada. I dig that. 23:52:17 ywoily 23:52:39 darn i haven't checked it yet today 23:53:03 oh no new one 23:53:08 it's a bit erratic 23:57:12 “Type, Duck”. I really hope it's not some horrible stealth pun. 23:57:28 um when was that