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00:04:31 <boily> I appear to have burned a fingertip on my teapot. ow.
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00:10:57 <oerjan> a bit late now, but did you cool it in running water
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00:11:55 <boily> no.
00:12:01 <oerjan> (i think it's supposed to be slightly less than lukewarm, my memory is a bit vague.)
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00:12:21 <boily> int-e: int-ello. LAMBDABOOOOOOOOOOT!
00:12:23 <oerjan> too bad, that's supposed to help reduce damage.
00:13:05 <oerjan> hm it doesn't seem to have reonlogged
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00:13:26 <boily> if it blisters, I'll cut away some aloe vera and bandage it around my finger.
00:13:36 <boily> (now, where to find that plant by this time of the year...)
00:13:38 <boily> @metar CYUL
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00:13:46 <boily> right, no lambdie.
00:13:59 <oerjan> maybe it hasn't noticed it pinged out yet
00:14:06 * boily repeatedly prods int-e with his mapole
00:14:11 <oerjan> ah it's rejoining
00:14:17 <oerjan> NO NEED TO PANICK
00:14:27 <boily> I PANIC OKAY HTH
00:14:42 <boily> also, it's always fun to mapole people ^^
00:15:37 <oerjan> i suspect int-e may be sleeping at this time
00:17:07 <oerjan> it does take it's sweet time rejoining
00:17:10 <oerjan> *its
00:17:38 <oerjan> i assume it's to avoid getting flooded out
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00:17:49 <oerjan> i wonder if there's a way to speed that up
00:18:42 <Sgeo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3otBjVZzT0
00:20:46 <boily> @metar CYUL
00:20:46 <lambdabot> CYUL 090000Z 05008KT 1 1/2SM -SN BKN006 OVC018 01/M01 A3036 RMK SF7SC1 SLP283
00:21:01 <boily> snow. it's fungotting snowing. an April 8.
00:21:01 <fungot> boily: sarahbot later tell foxfire, why doesn't anything ever work right? or was that 92, we all know
00:21:59 <boily> fungot: IIRC, I was in Ontario during winter 92. (or were we still on Québec City's South Shore?)
00:21:59 <fungot> boily: what i'm trying without success. i was thinking glass might have moved there.
00:23:03 <oerjan> were you in ontario in autumn 95
00:23:35 <tromp> i was
00:24:12 <oerjan> were you in waterloo ...
00:25:41 <boily> no, we were in QC. the Ontario period was spent in Hamilton.
00:25:42 <oerjan> darn
00:25:50 <oerjan> another incredible coincidence narrowly averted.
00:25:50 <boily> isn't it coppro who's a Waterlooian?
00:26:03 <oerjan> sure, but i think he got there after that?
00:26:23 <boily> perhaps. the only #esöterist I met IRL was lexande.
00:27:24 <oerjan> i don't know that i've met any, but then i've not left norway since i came here.
00:27:47 <shachaf> I won 5 prizes, expiring at the end of the month: "A .ME for free" "A .EU for free" "A .WEBSITE for free" "A .XYZ for free", "A .INFO for €1"
00:27:48 <tromp> i was postdoc at UofW
00:27:48 <coppro> boily: Waterloovian
00:28:05 <coppro> it's like whovian
00:28:26 <boily> shachaf: .xyz?
00:28:39 <boily> coppro: tdh.
00:28:43 <shachaf> What should I do with them?
00:29:13 <oerjan> tromp: did you happen to have an office next to dave wagner twh
00:29:38 <shachaf> coppro: do you happen to play prismata twh
00:29:45 <coppro> tdh?
00:29:52 <tromp> no, i was a few offices from my supervisor Ming Li
00:30:06 <oerjan> mingling with ming li, check
00:30:07 <coppro> oerjan: my office is about fifty meters from his
00:30:11 <coppro> (dave wagner)
00:30:37 <oerjan> coppro: well i did point you towards him didn't i
00:30:43 <oerjan> on an earlier occasion
00:30:56 <coppro> oerjan: I don't think so
00:31:19 <oerjan> anyway, he's one of the few ex-agorans i've met
00:31:21 <boily> `? tdh
00:31:28 <HackEgo> tdh is the past tense of a successful hth. hth.
00:32:05 <coppro> shachaf: I don't play prismata. But I know egrant.
00:32:14 <oerjan> shachaf: clearly you should register SHA.ME hth
00:33:19 <shachaf> oerjan: it's already registered hth
00:33:36 <boily> pom.me?
00:34:19 <oerjan> darn
00:34:28 <oerjan> LA.ME
00:35:10 <boily> lovelove.me?
00:35:10 <coppro> tromp: who are you now?
00:35:20 <shachaf> I expect that dictionary words are all taken anyway.
00:35:36 <oerjan> shachaf: KIK.ME hth
00:36:08 <tromp> i am still tromp now
00:36:25 * oerjan so helpful
00:37:31 <coppro> tromp: ok. I just figured you weren't a person when you were a postdoc at UW because you were a postdoc at UW.
00:38:02 <coppro> shachaf: you should register amphetami.ne
00:38:18 <coppro> it costs $100 to update your DNS records
00:38:21 <coppro> value
00:38:27 <shachaf> i think enough amphetas have been mined already hth
00:39:12 <coppro> I should go back to ignoring every message ending with hth
00:39:30 <oerjan> did you ever do so
00:40:20 <boily> hth let's see if copprop can hear me hth
00:40:31 <coppro> oerjan: yes
00:40:33 <coppro> it was bliss
00:40:36 <shachaf> oerjan is rather hthso.me
00:40:37 <boily> hm. well. maybe if I didn't completely typo his name...
00:40:47 <boily> hth coppro hth
00:41:49 <coppro> copprop highlights me
00:41:51 <coppro> that's probably a bug
00:42:02 <shachaf> /chaf\b/ hilights me
00:44:06 <boily> does שאחאף highlights you?
00:44:12 <coppro> no
00:44:25 <boily> (meh. weechat doesn't rtl...)
00:44:26 <shachaf> boily: no, and it has too many letters anyway
00:44:38 <shachaf> boily: I think that's your terminal's job.
00:44:45 <shachaf> שחף would be the correct spelling.
00:45:26 <boily> I use Ubuntu's default terminal thingy. let's see if there's some setting in there...
00:45:44 <boily> oh. I should've guessed myself the complete absence of written vowels...
00:57:33 <oerjan> tht's hbrw fr y
00:57:54 <lifthrasiir> homebrew for you?
00:58:07 <oerjan> yes, please
01:00:30 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:EncryptFuck]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42352 * SuperJedi224 * (+251) Created page with "Unless non-labeled loops are assumed to be equivalent to Brainf*** loops, I have reason to believe that this language, as it stands, is not turing complete. ~~~~"
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01:25:36 <oerjan> <elliott> i guess the joke is pretending google is a finnish company?? <-- it's even worse because g is not a native sound in finnish
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02:06:06 <orin> Which metal comes from hematite?
02:06:23 <pikhq> Iron.
02:06:26 <orin> cool
02:06:40 <pikhq> "heme" == "iron" FWIW.
02:06:45 <pikhq> (hence "hemaglobin")
02:07:02 <orin> That's good because that means I can make iron weapons
02:07:31 <oerjan> *o
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02:10:11 <orin> Also I can make magma pumps from iron
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06:17:09 <orin> God damn it, my water pumping system accidentally a whole lake
06:17:43 <izabera> ENOVERB
06:20:08 <orin> VERB='created'
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07:25:09 <int-e> > 1
07:25:10 <lambdabot> 1
07:26:21 <int-e> Oh it did come back by itself anyway.
07:29:31 <oerjan> premature panic
07:32:02 <int-e> there was one failed reconnection attempt
07:32:04 * int-e shrugs
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07:33:39 <int-e> And the ISP's twitter feed says "Investigating network blip in NL"
07:33:48 <int-e> So perhaps that was it.
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07:42:56 * Taneb hello
07:43:13 <Taneb> orin, are you playing Dwarf Fortress
07:55:31 <orin> yah
07:57:10 <orin> well I was. And then I flooded my entire fortress and the entire map, killing virtually every living thing on it
07:57:30 <orin> and this time it was an accident
08:04:08 <mroman> your water pumping system accidentally fnorded a whole lake?
08:06:24 <Taneb> Oh I do that on occasion
08:11:34 <int-e> . o O ( Welcome to the Venetian Underground )
08:36:31 <mroman> my keyboard arrived yesterday
08:36:35 <mroman> the musical instrument keyboard
08:36:41 <mroman> not the typing device keyboard
08:42:24 <b_jonas> good
08:43:47 <mroman> yeah
08:43:56 <mroman> now I can annoy everybody even better in the whole house!
08:44:15 <mroman> I can annoy them with my Flugelhorn, my flute, my euhponium, my keyboard
08:44:18 <mroman> and soon with my trombone!
08:45:18 <mroman> I'm fnord annoying.
08:56:59 <b_jonas> hehe
09:05:12 <Taneb> `help
09:05:12 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
09:05:36 <Taneb> `? A
09:05:37 <HackEgo> A is _not_ a village in Norway, unless you're the BBC and don't understand things on top of letters.
09:07:33 <shachaf> `? Å
09:07:34 <HackEgo> ​Å? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
09:07:36 <shachaf> tdnh
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09:08:12 <Taneb> `learn Å _is_ a village in Norway, unless you're the BBC and don't understand things on top of letters.
09:08:21 <HackEgo> Learned 'Å': Å _is_ a village in Norway, unless you're the BBC and don't understand things on top of letters.
09:08:42 <Taneb> `? BBC
09:08:45 <HackEgo> BBC? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
09:34:29 <orin> Since when are humans vicious killers??!?
09:34:58 <orin> This time my fort was wiped out by a human pikeman
09:38:58 <Taneb> Did you attack them first
09:39:12 <vodkode_> humans are alpha predators, of course vicious killers
09:39:22 <vodkode_> apex*
09:43:52 <orin> Maybe on this world, humans and dwarves areatwar? they aren't sendng caravans
09:49:22 <Taneb> Shift-C?
09:55:24 <orin> shows only the dwarven civ
09:58:40 <Taneb> Hmm
10:02:16 <mroman> I'd say humans began becoming vicious killers since forever
10:02:57 <mroman> Afterall such violence is deeply engrained in most humans.
10:15:16 <b_jonas> is violence deeply ingrained in fungot?
10:15:16 <fungot> b_jonas: in order for the implementation.
10:15:24 <b_jonas> fungot: do you mean temptation?
10:15:24 <fungot> b_jonas: true enough. :) sorry, no connotation intended to
10:15:29 <b_jonas> :)
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10:28:19 <fizzie> fungot: So would you say violence is a necessary trait?
10:28:19 <fungot> fizzie: i think that's a bourne fnord. :p
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10:34:47 <mroman> "necessary trait"?
10:34:52 <mroman> It's not necessary, but it's human.
10:35:11 <mroman> why else would there be bar fights
10:35:19 <mroman> or wars
10:35:59 <mroman> Most humans have the capability to get angry/mad
10:36:24 <mroman> unless you have certain schizoid traits
10:36:48 <mroman> then you will most likely never get angry
10:40:47 <orin> Evolutionarily a retaliation response is probably selected for
10:41:14 <orin> tit for tat wins repeated prisoners dilemma and all that
10:46:15 <boily> fungot: would you say winter is necessary too?
10:46:15 <fungot> boily: place of interest sign links to, tusho to fnord, like scheme48, but newline is an operator or definition... and the person
10:47:00 <b_jonas> fungot, is winter coming?
10:47:00 <fungot> b_jonas: the 99 bottles of beer on the wall, 3 bottles of beer.
10:47:08 <b_jonas> yeah, that's the quick version
10:47:29 <b_jonas> was that on the twelfth day of Christmas, fungot?
10:47:30 <fungot> b_jonas: but war is peace freedom is slavery ignorance is strenght bush is president". that's non-sensical, technical and zone contact. yours, egal. inmates are mostly people who've were never taught it fnord never saw the need for a working microcode or scheme system to program games for that.
10:48:01 <boily> war is peace. freedom is slavery. ketchup is a vegetable.
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11:28:16 <fizzie> I've heard of technical and zone contacts, but it's good to see DNS registrars also include the non-sensical contact too.
11:29:28 <FireFly> Is that where I report fungot?
11:29:28 <fungot> FireFly: error in quotient: java.lang.nullpointerexception
11:30:05 <fizzie> fungot: You're not even written in Java, stop pretending you are.
11:30:05 <fungot> fizzie: umm......do you like the climate in atlanta? how do you include fnord?) is that there are about two or three lines long, making use of your talents. to be honest i just saw
11:32:01 <FireFly> fungot: I think you're a bit lost, but as far as I know fizzie didn't move to Atlanta
11:32:01 <fungot> FireFly: sweet. only need to trigger ( y) y), ( if...), i believe).
11:33:29 <mroman> yeah fungot. Stop acting cool like java.
11:33:29 <fungot> mroman: also ear infection and scalp would (!) to someone or something has subjected you to lambda calculus)
11:38:52 <fizzie> Lambda calculus is the leading cause of ear infections these days.
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11:43:34 <b_jonas> fizzie: better than semicolon cancer
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12:26:46 <b_jonas> fungot, do you live in the fsouth or the fnorth?
12:26:47 <fungot> b_jonas: esp. if the code's well-written maintainable, it's probably not very necessary. i think next weekend i will make it more efficient.
12:33:51 <fizzie> I think I should be slightly worried about fungot redesigning itself to be "more efficient".
12:33:51 <fungot> fizzie: no just not scheme. my knowledge of perl is null? true for any lists l?
12:35:05 <b_jonas> I don't think he's redesigning himself
12:35:10 <b_jonas> just some other code he wrote
12:36:36 <jameseb> what language is fungot written in?
12:36:36 <fungot> jameseb: i much prefer one-implementation languages. if they're interpreted as comments the program should use append! if its result *doesn't* depend on the base language
12:37:35 <Taneb> ^source
12:37:35 <fungot> https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
12:37:41 <Taneb> jameseb, ^
12:38:16 <jameseb> is that befunge?
12:39:34 <Taneb> Yes
12:41:35 <jameseb> that's quite a complex program to use a language like befunge for
12:49:13 <fizzie> It's nothing compared to the 100MLOC Befunge codebases all major corporations have.
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12:52:31 <mroman> fizzie has been secretly replacing code inside big company software with befunge code.
12:52:48 <mroman> It's called job security.
12:53:01 <mroman> also
12:53:03 <mroman> TIOBE
12:53:13 <mroman> how can we hack TIOBE to display befunge on the top
12:54:07 <b_jonas> you measure befunge in _lines_
12:54:26 <mroman> code is measured in lines.
12:55:15 <b_jonas> but befunge is a two-dimensional language
12:55:24 <fizzie> Maybe they can be diagonal lines.
12:56:29 <mroman> well
12:56:40 <mroman> you can always write a paper about how to measure code in 2D languages
12:56:51 <mroman> characters?
12:56:54 <mroman> density?
12:56:54 <b_jonas> fungot, how do you measure code in two-dimensional languages?
12:56:54 <fungot> b_jonas: 150 euros. :p)) t?
12:56:55 <mroman> area?
12:57:13 <fizzie> Apparently you measure it in money.
12:57:14 <mroman> characters without nops of course
12:58:06 <b_jonas> how powerful is unefunge?
12:58:40 <b_jonas> can it simulate anything with only quasi-linear slowdown?
12:59:10 <b_jonas> it has random access get and put instructions so I presume it can, but the control options are a bit limited
12:59:14 <b_jonas> flow control I mean
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13:14:35 <fizzie> They're just awkward, not limited.
13:14:49 <fizzie> The "set delta to arbitrary value" instruction is pretty much a relative jump.
13:15:05 <fizzie> (As long as you have a landing > or < in place.)
13:15:18 <fizzie> (And the awkwardness is just in encoding the numbers.)
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13:17:14 <fizzie> (Well, okay, for actually writing code manually it's also awkward to keep updating the numbers all the time, but that's just a small matter of preprocessing from gotos-with-labels to encoded-numbers-with-'x'.)
13:22:04 <b_jonas> there's a set delta to arbitrary value instruction? is that normal or an extension?
13:24:57 <b_jonas> oh, the x instruction in befunge98
13:25:15 <b_jonas> right, together with g and p and arithmetic, that should work
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13:34:46 <FireFly> For whatever reason some people on codegolf.stackexchange.com seem to count befunge-98 source code as width×height
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13:35:07 <FireFly> b_jonas, mroman: character count seems to be the most fair way to compare languages
13:35:34 <FireFly> well, or some kind of atomic "syntactic elements count" where identifiers and keywords are treated as one unit
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14:10:44 <mroman> A: If a language meets the criteria of being listed (i.e. it is Turing complete and has an own Wikipedia entry that indicates that it concerns a programming language) and it is sufficiently popular (more than 25,000 hits for +"<language> programming" for Google), then please write an e-mail to tpci@tiobe.com.
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14:11:14 <mroman> only 1.7k for +"befunge programming"
14:11:31 <mroman> we need 25k guys!
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14:18:05 <fizzie> Even "brainfuck programming" only has 3.5k.
14:18:12 <fizzie> So that's quite a high target.
14:20:46 <tromp> "lambda calculus programming" is also stuck at 3.7k
14:22:37 <tromp> even well established languages like PostScript don't meet the threshold
14:25:14 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EncryptFuck]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42353&oldid=42351 * FreedomSka * (+12)
14:28:49 <J_Arcane> Heresy gets 267k.
14:29:00 <J_Arcane> But that's just because programmers like to through the word around alot. ;)
14:29:10 <fizzie> Not in my Google.
14:29:16 <fizzie> "About 30 results".
14:29:36 <fizzie> You're supposed to include the quotes (and the +, which I believe is redundant with the quotes).
14:29:46 <J_Arcane> Ahh.
14:30:44 <tromp> forth is 3.5k short of the target...
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14:31:38 <mroman> yeah it's quite a high target
14:31:43 <mroman> bot with enough spam bots we could do it
14:31:46 <mroman> *but
14:32:00 <mroman> Every problem can be solved by using more spam bots.
14:32:13 <b_jonas> ok
14:32:26 <tromp> K is only 1.6k short!
14:33:31 <tromp> but L made it, with 3.3k to spare:)
14:33:56 <tromp> (i didnt even know there was an L programming language)
14:34:39 <b_jonas> tromp: there's at least one programming language for every ascii letter by now
14:35:33 <tromp> not that have a wikipedia entry for it
14:36:03 <tromp> e.g. +"n programming" has 25.2k hits, but only because there's an ALGOL N
14:37:18 <tromp> smalltalk barely makes it with 26k
14:38:29 <mroman> burlesque has 416
14:38:43 <mroman> and most of those aren't about the programming language :p
14:39:08 <tromp> blc has 62, none of them about blc :(
14:39:45 <mroman> J_Arcane: Now you need a WP article on it.
14:39:58 <J_Arcane> mroman: :D
14:40:15 <J_Arcane> I'm pretty sure it'd get deleted, but it might coast a while without anyone noticing. :D
14:41:52 <mroman> Let's see whose fake programming language WP article lasts the longest.
14:42:42 <mroman> it'll probably last longer on esperanto wiki or the like
14:43:03 <J_Arcane> I need a clever or stylish logo. I could probably coast on that cred for a little while. ;)
14:44:39 <mroman> and a start-up using your language
14:44:44 <mroman> possibly a fake start-up
14:45:53 <J_Arcane> Cult.io
14:46:51 <mroman> It would also help if the bible has something good to say about your language.
14:48:54 <mroman> s/the bible/a bible
14:50:31 <J_Arcane> I was gonna say, sadly the Bible doesn't use the word 'heresy'. It was I think a Catholic invention.
14:53:10 <mroman> Catholics have bibles too?
14:53:17 <J_Arcane> XD
14:53:24 <mroman> That's not an actual question btw.
14:53:42 <b_jonas> fungot, do you have a bible too?
14:53:42 <fungot> b_jonas: well anyway i already had an instance running. it's written for humans, and the person can switch to an s&m collector!
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14:54:45 <mroman> https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+24:14&version=AKJV
14:54:49 <mroman> ^- this contains heresy
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15:25:11 <TieSleep> +"GolfScript programming" only gets 260 results
15:25:19 <TieSleep> thought that'd be more
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15:38:02 <b_jonas> fungot: authentificate yourself
15:38:03 <fungot> b_jonas: sleepitime is soon. already walking from the bus stop. ' gone' now. soviet russia is dead and it will print a 1.
15:46:37 <FireFly> fungot: s&m collector?
15:46:37 <fungot> FireFly: how can i overcome this sleep deprivation feeling. i've been thinking about a graphical object inspector, which is all the more
15:47:35 <b_jonas> FireFly: a sweep and mark garbage collector obviously
15:48:42 <FireFly> ah
15:50:04 <fizzie> Must be easy, being a bot. Feeling sleep-deprived? Just fire up a graphical object inspector and mutate some state.
15:51:54 <FireFly> fungot: how's life as a bot?
15:51:54 <fungot> FireFly: fnord/ code/ fshift.scm. perhaps i won't really be encountering new ones all the time, btw)
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17:51:22 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Swap]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42354&oldid=17651 * * (-27) rm category unimplemented
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19:32:03 <Taneb> :(
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20:03:45 <b_jonas> Has anyone used libxml++ (the C++ bindings for the gnome libxml2 library)? How usable is it, for parsing XML and HTML?
20:04:08 <b_jonas> Or what are other good libraries with a C++ or C interface for parsing XML and HTML?
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20:47:49 <b_jonas> ais523: have you ever used libxml++ (the C++ binding for gnome libxml2) or some other library with a C++ or C interface for parsing XML and HTML? I'd like to know which library to look at.
20:48:20 <ais523> b_jonas: I haven't, the closest I've come is building something that depends on xerxes
20:50:08 <b_jonas> what xerxes?
20:50:45 <ais523> I think it's an XML library
20:51:45 <int-e> @google xerxes xml
20:51:46 <lambdabot> https://xerces.apache.org/xerces-c/
20:52:16 <ais523> ah, xerces
20:56:24 <b_jonas> ah
20:57:23 <b_jonas> thanks
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21:55:52 <shachaf> whoa, another Mill talk next week in London
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21:57:48 <shachaf> fizzie: you should go hth
22:01:30 <Taneb> Why is London like so far away
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22:03:46 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Beatnik]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42355&oldid=42213 * Chris Pressey * (+1069) Describe the comp.class and (intentional) shortcomings (yes Cliff, it *is* arguably rather rude.)
22:07:47 <boily> London is very far away for almost all points on the Earth spheroid.
22:08:05 <Taneb> I suppose I am relatively close to London
22:08:08 <Taneb> Being in England
22:08:36 <Taneb> But I am about as far away from London as it is possible to be and that fact to still hold true!
22:08:57 <oerjan> Taneb: 's ok if you were in london you'd just complain that the mill talk is too far to walk
22:08:59 <boily> something something compact manifold something.
22:09:26 <Taneb> oerjan, London's pretty big
22:09:42 <Taneb> Like as big as the rest of the UK put together or something
22:09:50 <oerjan> OKAY
22:10:17 <Taneb> oerjan, also I need your advice
22:10:25 <Taneb> I seem to be becoming a Hero against my will
22:10:42 <oerjan> being the capital of the largest empire the world has ever seen tends to do that.
22:11:02 <oerjan> how so
22:11:05 <shachaf> oerjan: wouldn't it be more likely with the smallest
22:11:11 <Taneb> Like, people seem to think I am a paragon of good
22:11:27 <oerjan> shachaf: well the UK was just a small part of the empire
22:11:54 <Taneb> oerjan, by population it was the second-biggest
22:12:04 <oerjan> oh?
22:12:20 <oerjan> well i suppose.
22:12:23 <boily> `alignment Taneb
22:12:24 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: alignment: not found
22:12:25 <oerjan> hard to compete with exponential growth.
22:12:32 <boily> hm... no alignment command.
22:12:45 <Taneb> London was the second city in the world to get a population over 1000000
22:13:19 <oerjan> huh
22:13:29 <shachaf> san francisco still has a population below 1000000 :'(
22:13:37 <Taneb> shachaf, SF is weird
22:13:48 <shachaf> Have you been?
22:13:48 <Taneb> oerjan, how do I not seem such a paragon of good
22:13:53 <oerjan> i'd vaguely thought the chinese would have beat that but i guess marco polo wasn't talking about individual cities?
22:13:54 <Taneb> shachaf, not in a very long time
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22:14:10 <oerjan> Taneb: you need to work on your evil overlord plans hth
22:14:51 <Taneb> shachaf, but one of my housemates lived there for a while
22:16:31 <Taneb> oerjan, I kind of lost my evil overlord plans
22:16:40 <Taneb> Step 1 was stealing nuclear weapons
22:16:45 <oerjan> well i guess you're doomed then
22:17:04 <oerjan> talk to ais523 he has experience on surviving as lawful good hth
22:17:11 <Taneb> And the last step was betraying all my former friends and not giving them the reward I promised
22:17:13 <oerjan> *with
22:17:19 <Taneb> I'm not so sure I'm lawful
22:17:30 <ais523> you could be neutral or chaotic good, I guess
22:17:35 <ais523> or true or chaotic neutral
22:17:35 <Taneb> Might even be chaotic I think
22:17:36 <oerjan> Taneb: i think that last step _could_ be against the evil overlord list.
22:18:14 <Taneb> I think I may well be chaotic good
22:18:23 <boily> Taneb: have you ever built overcomplicated contraptions to lure in, snare and menace good people?
22:18:33 <Taneb> boily, not that I can recall
22:18:37 <oerjan> does his haskell programs count
22:18:45 <oerjan> *do
22:18:51 <boily> oerjan: I think so.
22:19:09 <Taneb> Oh well!
22:19:12 <Taneb> Oh dar
22:19:13 <shachaf> oerjan: no truly good people would be tempted by a haskell program hth
22:19:14 <Taneb> *dear
22:19:20 <Taneb> That puts me into minion territory
22:19:24 <boily> Taneb: do you have an unhealthy fascination towards lasers, death rays, disintegration and other zeerusty weapons?
22:19:32 <Taneb> Nah
22:20:02 <boily> Taneb: is that obsession instead channeled in the direction of bananas and yellow curved fruits?
22:20:17 <Taneb> I don't really like bananas
22:21:22 <boily> module haskellisms, you're a paragon of goodness.
22:21:31 <oerjan> shachaf: that's what a really devious overlord would say
22:21:59 <oerjan> Taneb: what about lenses and barbed wire?
22:22:22 <Taneb> oerjan, in the physical sense, the morphismy sense, or the kmetty sense?
22:22:32 <oerjan> in the ambiguous sense, duh
22:22:36 <Taneb> Maybe
22:23:21 <int-e> oerjan: how about the seventh sense?
22:23:42 <oerjan> Maybe
22:23:48 <boily> seventh???
22:23:58 <int-e> boily: the sixth was already taken
22:24:31 <boily> pray tell what's the seventh?
22:24:36 * oerjan only remembers that seventh sense is some kind of old term for almanac or something
22:24:47 <oerjan> in norwegian translation
22:25:11 <Taneb> On another note
22:25:23 <Taneb> oerjan, is the most resent GG the first time Zeetha and Bang have met?
22:25:46 * int-e would rather know whether cake has played a role before
22:26:42 <oerjan> Taneb: or at least talked... was bang there in sturmhalten?
22:27:23 <Taneb> oerjan, Bang was in Sturmhalten with Klaus
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22:31:12 <int-e> right. http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061220
22:33:32 <oerjan> she didn't show up until they'd stopped talking, though.
22:34:55 <int-e> Interestingly I don't recognize her by the name "Bang"... "Bangladesh DuPree" says the wiki.
22:35:22 <oerjan> well yes, bang is a nickname some use...
22:35:41 <oerjan> gil perhaps.
22:36:03 <int-e> the wiki does not mention cake on DuPree's page.
22:38:33 <Taneb> THat's not much of an interaction
22:39:44 <int-e> Uh, what about this: 'By the time she recovered, the airship had been taken by pirates. (It's speculated, but not proven, that these pirates were those commanded by the infamous pirate queen Bangladesh DuPree.)' ... did the wiki writers make that bit up?
22:39:52 <int-e> (from http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/Zeetha,_Daughter_of_Chump )
22:41:38 <int-e> good way to seed a rumor, I suppose
22:42:24 <oerjan> int-e: it's an obvious speculation to make
22:42:53 <int-e> Yeah, except for the bit where DuPree is still alive. OTOH she *is* a survivor.
22:43:04 <oerjan> um she was _away_
22:43:21 <int-e> Best way to survive a fight if you ask me.
22:43:22 <oerjan> it's mentioned in dupree's story
22:43:45 <oerjan> well it must be
22:44:45 <oerjan> oh it refers to one of the novels.
22:45:03 <oerjan> "Zeetha's involvement is practically confirmed by Agatha H. and the Airship City, where it is mentioned that Bang returned to her fortress to find it in flaming ruins and describes the aftermath of the attack the same way Zeetha described the aftermath of her killing of the pirates."
22:47:40 <int-e> Ah, goody.
22:47:47 <int-e> Then this encounter could be ... interesting.
22:49:04 <oerjan> it could be more interesting if bang finds out zeetha and gil are related
22:50:39 <Taneb> oerjan, I am pretty sure that Zeetha and Gil haven't found that out yet
22:51:14 <oerjan> ...i think zeetha knows.
22:53:33 <oerjan> my little theory is that klaus's claim that the skifanderians would want to kill gil (for being alive, and (also my theory) a male with skifandrian blood) ...
22:54:06 <oerjan> is technically correct, but that zeetha doesn't want to kill him, and so prefers to pretend she doesn't know.
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22:55:20 <oerjan> (my inner theory is based on skifandrians basically being amazons and the amazons killed their male children)
22:56:01 <oerjan> or at least they would kill a male child of a _queen_
22:56:36 <oerjan> or anyone who could be feared to want to upset the matriarchal order
22:58:51 <oerjan> ok i looked it up and i'm not the first to make that theory http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/Gilgamesh_Wulfenbach/Mad
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23:25:42 <Taneb> Huh, the GG timeskip happened in 2013
23:35:15 <FreeFull> Weird, I can't make dns queries to
23:35:27 <FreeFull> But I can ping it just fine
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23:37:22 <FreeFull> Apparently there is a problem with google dns right now
23:48:07 <oerjan> zeetha and bang also met at the circus but zeetha didn't say anything http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20041227
23:58:42 <Taneb> Hmm http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20131220 seems to suggest they met in the timeskip
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