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22:43:43 <oerjan> yay
22:44:05 <Gregor> prgmr moved my server and apparently they didn't start properly >: (
22:44:19 * oerjan never knows when is a good time to ping Gregor 
22:44:33 <Gregor> Neither does Gregor.
22:44:50 <Gregor> If you /msg me instead of the channel then I'll see it later more easily *shrugs*
22:44:56 <oerjan> ooh
22:45:01 <oerjan> fancy
23:01:46 * int-e wonders what kind of technical measures Freenode employs to make privmsg spam unattractive.
23:01:55 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[There Once was a Fish Named Fred]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42763&oldid=34094 * Charlie * (+558) 
23:02:41 <Gregor> int-e: Given my past experiences, my guess is "none"
23:02:57 <int-e> (I suspect there must be something, since the only kind of that spam that I'v ever seen were private messages in reaction to channel messages.)
23:03:36 <fizzie> Is it a technical reason when they K-line people after you complain about spam? 
23:03:41 <fizzie> s/reason/measure/
23:04:09 <int-e> fizzie: not if it involves actual people pulling the trigger
23:04:45 <int-e> As usual, there's no clear boundary there.
23:07:18 <int-e> Maybe it's really just diligent staff combined with flood protection and obscurity of IRC.
23:10:10 <int-e> But I'm hoping for honeypots (imagine a few idlers on ##freenode such that if any two of them get privmsged by the same user within 10 minutes, that user gets k-lined)
23:10:37 <int-e> Err, #freenode.
23:11:00 <tswett> Is there some description somewhere of exactly how gairaigo are produced from English words?
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23:12:23 <int-e> Makudonarudu?
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23:12:53 <int-e> Anyway, none that I know of.
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23:13:38 <boily> pasokon!
23:16:34 <int-e> Hmm, n. I guess that's better than mu.
23:17:00 <int-e> (which would be an extra syllable)
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23:21:52 <tswett> パソコンㇺ
23:22:14 <tswett> Not to be confused with パソコンム
23:24:29 <orin_> It's actually makudonarudo
23:26:12 <orin_> There aren't many rules, but ending consonants are made with *u except for t which instead uses to 
23:28:11 <orin_> ending R is typically done by elongating the vowel the way people from Britain do. E.g stars -> sutaazu 
23:31:57 <orin_> Also, words with 'wh' begin with 'ho' e.g. whiteboard -> howaitoboodo
23:32:30 <boily> as much as I try to really grok ソ and ン, I always mix them together.
23:32:37 <orin_> (even though in mopdern english wh sounds exactlye the same as w)
23:34:39 <tswett> I'm mostly wondering about the vowels.
23:35:08 <orin_> in ソ the small stroke ends to the left of where the long stroke begins. in ン the small stroke is above the long stroke and ends above where the long stroke beigns
23:36:19 <boily> yes. but at a glance they're pretty much all the same, at least when using a display font.
23:36:35 <boily> handwritten it's a completely different matter, as stroke order isn't the same.
23:37:06 <tswett> Does /æ/ become "a" or "e"? Do /ɑː/ and /ɒ/ become "a" or "aa"? Does /iː/ always become "ii"? Are /ɜr/ and /ər/ always "aa"?
23:37:20 <tswett> And so on and so forth forever.
23:38:21 <orin_> I think it probably depends on whether the individual words was imported from Britain or America (or in many cases Germany)
23:38:45 <boily> /æ/ becomes a. /ɑː/ and /ɒ/ usually become o (IIRC). /iː/ iifies, and the latter aa.
23:39:07 <boily> (aa, from the verb "to aa": to become aa.)
23:40:00 <tswett> So "father" and "wasp" become "fozaa" and "wosupu"?
23:40:26 <orin_> yeah
23:41:15 <orin_> hmm, apparently it is faazaa
23:41:23 <boily> faazaa makes sense.
23:41:30 <orin_> different accent, see!!?!
23:41:56 <tswett> Man, English has too many vowels.
23:41:58 * boily would like to point out that my English accent is unreliable at best
23:42:03 <tswett> It has so many vowels that nobody knows how many vowels it has.
23:42:28 <orin_> I have done a count for my accent of 14
23:42:31 <tswett> Lemme see exactly how many vowels my particular accent has.
23:43:48 <Phantom_Hoover> vowels are in too continuous to be able to make discrete counts, really
23:43:53 <Phantom_Hoover> s/in//
23:44:14 <tswett> For me, they're definitely discrete.
23:44:58 <orin_> hmm, my previous count disagrees with my current count
23:45:08 -!- boily has set topic: Vowel Continuum | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/.
23:45:40 <Phantom_Hoover> <tswett> So "father" and "wasp" become "fozaa" and "wosupu"?
23:45:42 <Phantom_Hoover> wha
23:45:49 <Phantom_Hoover> those are totally different vowel sounds for me
23:46:03 <tswett> /æ/, /ɑ/, /ɔː/, maybe /ə/, /ɪ/, /iː/, /eɪ/, /ɛ/, /ər/, /ʌ/, /ʊ/, /uː/, I'm not counting /juː/, /aɪ/, /ɔɪ/...
23:46:37 <tswett> Phantom_Hoover: they're totally different vowel sounds for a lot of people, but Japanese is inevitably going to round some distinct pairs of English vowels to the same Japanese vowel.
23:47:02 <Phantom_Hoover> oops
23:47:16 <Phantom_Hoover> i assumed this was some foolhardy phonetic standardisation attempt :/
23:47:47 <tswett> /oʊ/, /aʊ/, /ɑr/, /ɪər/, /ɛər/, /ɔr/, /ʊər/, I'm not counting /jʊər/ either.
23:49:23 <boily> /ʉ/ also.
23:49:29 <tswett> So I have 21 in total, 15 non-rhotic and 6 rhotic.
23:50:30 <tswett> I'm including /ə/ in that count because even in very careful speech I sometimes pronounce it distinctly from /ʌ/.
23:50:40 <orin_> Ok, I have 16 total
23:52:27 <orin_> cat kate cart pet peat kit kite bird cot coat court cook cow cut coot cute cure
23:52:28 <Phantom_Hoover> i wouldn't even know how to count
23:52:34 <zzo38> I made up a "Advanced Modular Music"; which is based on a sample ROM (of mono 8-bit or 16-bit samples), a sample header list (the offset, looping, center frequency, and auto-vibrato settings), a memory map of several registers per channel, and a 6502 code to control the register writes.
23:52:45 <orin_> wait that's 17
23:52:47 <orin_> shit
23:53:05 <Phantom_Hoover> kite's a diphthong right
23:53:09 <tswett> Phantom_Hoover: yeah.
23:53:26 <boily> nope. can't count how many I distinguish.
23:53:28 <orin_> it's like cut + keet
23:53:42 <tswett> orin_: ooh, you sound like a Canadian raiser.
23:53:55 <tswett> Oh, I do have a split that might be unusual.
23:54:08 <tswett> For me, the words "holy" and "lowly" don't rhyme.
23:54:17 <tswett> My best attempt at representing the distinction in IPA...
23:54:49 <boily> /holi/, /lʌwli/?
23:54:58 <tswett> "holy" is /hɔli/, "lowly" is /louli/.
23:55:05 <tswett> Or maybe that.
23:55:09 <tswett> I meant to use [] instead of //.
23:55:28 <tswett> It's a monophthongization of /oʊ/ before /l/.
23:57:36 <orin_> hmm, for me holy would rhyme with loli but now lowly
23:57:57 <orin_> s/now/not/
23:58:10 <orin_> lowly has a w
23:59:03 <tswett> orin_: do "bowl" and "pole" rhyme for you?
23:59:08 <zzo38> The register per channel includes: 16.16 fixed point frequency, sample number, volume control, filter cutoff, filter resonance, filter mode (low-pass, high-pass, or off), and one register per pair of channels to activate FM synthesis and set the feedback amount. Each channel also has command registers to reset the phase and to multiply/divide the frequency quickly.
23:59:14 <orin_> yeah
23:59:36 <tswett> They sound like "holy", I imagine?
23:59:56 <orin_> yes