< 1434153614 195646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know but I want such a thing. < 1434153726 879079 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some servers always redirect to HTTPS and I don't want it to do that < 1434153743 841264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's trying to generate free energy by making security experts rotate in their graves. < 1434153769 145187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I am not < 1434153790 531096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's the sanest possible use case hth < 1434153814 48450 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to generate free energy < 1434153975 243962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by not using https whenever possible you are betraying humanity to the NSA tdnh < 1434154012 180930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1434154148 526327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care why can't you provide such a server? < 1434154203 602817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reports zzo38 to the NSA for not using proper encryption against the terrorists. oh wait... < 1434154278 615037 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't you both not living at all in the USA? < 1434154299 569305 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what reason do you have to actively avoid https? < 1434154308 198991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying i should use INTERPOL or something < 1434154350 503791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTPS is causing problems, and some programs don't support it < 1434154390 769039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :report those programs to the NSA hth < 1434154432 766003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software exists to do this with POP3 but not HTTP, and also it isn't a public server < 1434154459 231796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you know NSA can crack HTTPS anyways? < 1434154474 381026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GASP* < 1434154532 47165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION changes all his software to use 1048576 bit keys. that should teach them! < 1434154591 139528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that should do it (hopefully) < 1434154605 663040 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I possess the best remedy against NSA. < 1434154631 880040 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses a fountain pen and real mulched laminated dead tree sheets! < 1434154743 734057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1434154756 957373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure that pen isn't bugged hth < 1434154777 56877 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a demonstrator. clear plastic for easy inspection! < 1434154813 751322 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the wires are made of transparent aluminium < 1434154880 6699 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.twsbi.com/collections/fountain-pens/products/twsbi-diamond-580al-orange-fountain-pen < 1434154891 168428 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the aluminium on this pen isn't transparent! < 1434154905 974150 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the aluminium that you can see < 1434154919 269940 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen aluminium is best aluminium. < 1434155294 816094 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the statistically least bugged pen I own is my Airmail 58SL, for having disassembled it completely many times. < 1434155482 88396 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1434155522 298192 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do you fountain pen? < 1434155535 868372 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1434155577 482977 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :) < 1434155596 565206 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you use? < 1434155895 946700 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheaffer somethingorother < 1434155987 278117 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have one somewhere, maybe at my parents'. < 1434156012 281323 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :big blue translucent thing, with a nice rubber grip. < 1434156253 636992 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1434157175 99654 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1434157375 974724 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, mine is not like that < 1434157440 396064 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah? metal, plastic, wood, glass? size? colour? grip? texture? cartridges, plunger, siphon, eyedrop? < 1434157457 932140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :metal body, plastic grip < 1434157485 560137 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :body weigh? < 1434157492 727172 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i honestly have no idea < 1434157519 4310 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if he should add Phantom_Hoover's pen to the The File... < 1434157534 1774 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img6a.flixcart.com//image/pen/h/e/g/sheaffer-342-fp-400x400-imad72dcguqcyhbh.jpeg this shape < 1434157541 72700 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :though different colours < 1434157564 189118 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, nice! < 1434157861 567561 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1434158278 127465 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: VERMILLION CHICKEN < 1434158379 575567 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1434159023 682357 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1434159682 744184 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1434159856 287964 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1434160713 104290 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1434160755 68658 :Patashu!Karma@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1434161100 178050 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a length of a string literal be figure out in compile-time in a C code? < 1434161384 151734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, using sizeof works if you put -1 afterward I figured out now < 1434162135 390726 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1434163063 221752 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1434163089 526177 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1434163236 427532 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1434163238 526135 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1434163309 235860 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1434164030 984987 :Patashu!Karma@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1434164080 575469 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1434164245 282250 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1434164986 750358 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sizeof includes the \0 < 1434165293 46259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION assumes that's what the -1 was for < 1434166137 753273 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. this chinese game boy game claims to be final fantasy IV, but I see no resemblance < 1434166288 107916 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus the start screen has Cloud on it < 1434166321 933968 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Cool, a bootleg version < 1434166335 598695 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it play? < 1434166358 689162 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The graphics are good and the battle system resembles FF1 < 1434166383 264083 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I don't read Chinese < 1434166499 530243 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1434166521 411637 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The start screen reads: 太空戦士IV < 1434166614 719081 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, means Space Soldier IV < 1434166667 982036 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which explains why the story appears to involve starships < 1434166790 171555 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the fact that the chinese call space "Great Void" < 1434166802 129329 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the english word fro space sucks < 1434167151 776249 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of these unlicensed chinese games are amazing. The one I've played the most is "Thunder Warrior: The Legend of Pikachu" on the NES, which is an apparent port of pokemon yellow < 1434167336 116472 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops that should be "thunder emperor" < 1434167522 571979 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess it can't technically be a port, since they didn < 1434167534 749752 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :t have the source code. a "remake" < 1434168200 826289 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? this game has nothing whatsoever to do with final fantasy 4 < 1434172302 315234 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1434173952 79318 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1434174497 633953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have changed the RDF of the tropes of the level20.tex to now say instead of ; apparently, that is what it is if one of the footnotes is referenced inside of a paper that is inside of the story rather than being the book that contains the story? < 1434174576 407202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am pretty sure that is correct. < 1434174828 585580 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1434175953 759865 :OriginalOldMan!4c79b164@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.121.177.100 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1434176305 148730 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1434179451 944913 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1434182214 810951 :Elronnd!elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm JOIN :#esoteric < 1434184074 405308 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gulf14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43205&oldid=43170 5* 03160.85.232.100 5* (+8) 10/* Examples */ < 1434184303 139127 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BSD license is public-domain < 1434184313 875848 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this mean I can modify the BSD license text and use it? < 1434184566 143356 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume so < 1434184604 436894 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :public domain means everyone has all the rights -- i think < 1434184650 622086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1434184959 389026 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hello < 1434184967 932754 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have any of you seen the TIS-100 game? < 1434185140 104342 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :K. My fancy looking Gulf website looks quite nice for now < 1434185668 312824 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1434186701 141319 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1434186721 456592 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1434186754 739149 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1434186872 467878 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch NICK :peer < 1434186889 921687 :peer!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :All your connection are belong to me and I can reset them any time I want to. < 1434186901 565569 :peer!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch NICK :Guest13639 < 1434187040 331255 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1434187212 272736 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1434187271 125368 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix JOIN :#esoteric < 1434187298 371111 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I'm thinking about writing a programming language based on http://www.xkcd.com/1537/ < 1434187383 57544 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems quotes are greedy in that language < 1434187535 748659 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to understand how to implement inconsistent mechanics consistenly. < 1434187548 341879 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's mostly consistent, just odd < 1434187582 250451 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix PRIVMSG #esoteric :"+2" I believe is because 十 is 10 in Chinese or something. < 1434187588 158366 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what [4] and [9] are doing < 1434187602 712034 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xfix, I think it's adding the line number < 1434187609 823651 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :NaN, NaO, NaP < 1434187629 144496 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, aaaah < 1434187629 916491 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would make sense about adding a line number. < 1434187635 502856 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't figure out 9 or 14 though < 1434187649 727438 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand 14 either. What's the deal with disappearing 2. < 1434187655 119190 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :[11] is adding 2 to the value of 2, so it writes 4 instead of 2 < 1434187665 465198 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why it's [14] and not [12] < 1434187679 960298 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, classic Fortran. < 1434187682 906815 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hah < 1434187689 565784 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix PRIVMSG #esoteric :Number two was replaced with 4. < 1434187690 525197 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nice < 1434187697 577075 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 NICK :MoALTz < 1434187725 204963 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :in [6] and [7], is + being "does not have element" < 1434187737 687430 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in [1,2,3] does not have element 4 < 1434187738 105534 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1434187752 485085 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it adds to a set? < 1434187753 926052 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess 1,2,3,4 makes a series, 1,2,3,2 doesn't < 1434187761 2318 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix PRIVMSG #esoteric :And says whether it succeeded. < 1434187788 348332 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that kiiiind of makes sense < 1434187795 142532 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xfix, I think that is equivalent to what I suggested < 1434187807 936146 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1434189013 356069 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1434189088 655126 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1434189319 691933 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohayoerjan~~~ < 1434189410 276957 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, ... < 1434189545 562579 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle! :D < 1434189555 215798 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mouah ah ah ah ah >:D) < 1434189584 161598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Someone came here talking about TIS-100 the other day, intending to write an emulator for it. < 1434189599 886532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I was going to buy it with the 10% discount, but then I forgot.) < 1434189607 474362 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fizziello. do you still maintain the fizziegraphs? < 1434189612 616177 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I've been enjoying it < 1434189643 599691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Which graphs were these? I do so many graphs. < 1434189704 248872 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones where there's a dot when we say something in the chännel. < 1434189827 299271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, those. < 1434189836 604571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'v'nt ran them in a while, but I could try. < 1434189867 226628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I remember how. < 1434189931 447909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :updating target 2, days 2014-03-13 ... 2015-06-12 < 1434189941 84460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I got it right, and I hadn't run it in a year. < 1434189976 874594 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1434190161 308840 :Guest13639!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bored < 1434190165 577921 :Guest13639!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :any new eso ideas out there? < 1434190166 543567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://zem.fi/ircvis/esoteric/ should in theory be up to date. Although the list of "very important people" could stand to be updated. < 1434190235 513328 :Guest13639!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language where syntax is locale dependant < 1434190240 952301 :Guest13639!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND region locked. < 1434190257 464327 :Guest13639!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :see. I can only come up with stupid ideas :( < 1434190266 53004 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guellost13639! < 1434190272 20781 :Guest13639!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch NICK :mroman < 1434190277 585691 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrelloman! < 1434190293 31192 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which regions would lock the syntax? < 1434190317 809258 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :postal jurisdictions? they'd be restricting integers to stamp values :D < 1434190333 905423 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :double d = 1,2; < 1434190335 520487 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(good luck writing an international hello, world.) < 1434190337 156239 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :double d = 1.2; < 1434190342 758344 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on where you live. < 1434190365 717629 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like that :) < 1434190404 430175 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly even type names have to be written in the local language < 1434190407 691258 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it won't compile < 1434190437 580085 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the language has no writing system? < 1434190443 168195 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funktion Haupt Ist Zeige "Hello, world" Ende < 1434190454 816568 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :broad IPA? < 1434190460 963449 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1434190464 435067 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be fun < 1434190483 586345 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :language using IPA signs (but in a correct way of course) < 1434190510 418819 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :even just for english, if you were to support variant pronounciations < 1434190721 941175 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also feel like making Whitespace with Unicode, except using more Unicode, and slightly less stack based. < 1434190735 167162 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny that youtube is becoming a better illegal movie streaming site than the other ones < 1434190745 691988 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... illegal depends on which country you live in. < 1434190766 645237 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :swiss laws allow "just watching" of all sorts of movies < 1434190851 893725 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, numbers would be represented by U+200A followed by U+2000 to U+2009. The general idea is that U+2000 to U+2009 are command extensions, and other space characters are used for stuff. < 1434190888 18587 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there is no need for any sort of separation between functions. < 1434190911 202295 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix PRIVMSG #esoteric :And functions know exactly how many arguments they do take. < 1434190967 322867 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix PRIVMSG #esoteric :Additionally, U+200A could be used for code blocks, and code blocks end with U+000A < 1434191050 490426 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for that matter, arrays, because multipurpose commands are great when there is no ambiguity. < 1434191238 988255 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/xfix/77b23164c5cdfff876f0 - hm, that looks quite nice, actually... < 1434191559 62761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boiloha<<< < 1434191635 253889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't sure that unicode whitespace hasn't been done before < 1434191666 142393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Unispace < 1434191958 639526 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sips his coffee. good coffee. "aaaaah ^^" < 1434191964 98027 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but has it been done with only zero-width whitespace? < 1434191976 521667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1434192093 288391 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1434192098 697757 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages that can only jump back in code < 1434192104 858349 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :can they be made turing complete? < 1434192136 962400 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jump back? < 1434192140 401295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: BCT would seem to qualify < 1434192142 236851 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like assembly languages without forward jumps < 1434192157 163586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only have one jump, back to the beginning at the end < 1434192160 671829 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in other words: You can't skip instructions but you can jump back < 1434192188 271212 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no trivial if or while loops then < 1434192206 492355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: BCT!!!!!!!! < 1434192271 973167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1434192307 27755 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping for something more human readable/intuitive :) < 1434192360 952741 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're in #esöteric. human readability is a side effect. < 1434192361 168071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm brainfuck with do-while instead of while, is that TC or not < 1434192365 715473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cannot remember < 1434192806 261635 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1434192838 922549 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/asHG17GK is more or less what I was aiming for < 1434192869 183727 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, that can be reduced to brainfuck with do-while instead of while < 1434192935 1394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with all those commands, you might be able to simulate skipping instructions with a flag < 1434193033 659326 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1434193074 78766 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :by setting src to 1 and use cmp as a flag (either 0 or 1) which determines whether the ADD has any effect or not < 1434193148 892359 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW is there any wiki admin present? < 1434193163 40818 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what e-mail address is registered for my account < 1434193182 56408 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sadly I have no idea what I chose as a password :( < 1434193301 45900 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or the forget password mail gets stuck < 1434193307 484590 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MARBLED CHICKEN < 1434193418 655173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect i'm not privileged enough to see your email address, but i assume fizzie is < 1434193441 11148 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1434193545 636764 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Jumpback14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43206 5* 03160.85.232.100 5* (+1109) 10Created page with "'''Jumpback''' is an esoteric programming languages with no forward jumps. == Instructions ==
 MOV dst, src			Copy src to dst ADD dst, src			Add src to dst SUB dst, src	..."
< 1434193732 451646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i sent you a test email
< 1434193749 207688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Cc: to myself, so we'll see if it's broken in general
< 1434193847 673996 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with cc you should see what my e-mail address is
< 1434193862 489112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so
< 1434193867 521989 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's hope it's not clonkturm@gmx.net
< 1434193870 865503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would still be Bcc:ed to you
< 1434193889 377312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll see mine, of course
< 1434193907 513750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i've received any Cc: yet...
< 1434193967 103568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think senders are supposed to be able to see the address of the recipient unless they respond, anyway.
< 1434194108 618622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie mroman is having problems getting password reset email to work, is outgoing email from the wiki server working?
< 1434194108 831935 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1434194108 832008 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't received anything so far on the e-mail accounts I know of.
< 1434194133 276080 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and still have access to)
< 1434194202 327427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't received the Cc: either
< 1434194232 413601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie I haven't received Cc: on my test mail either.
< 1434194232 589358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1434194269 345539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie (BTW he's User:Feuermonster)
< 1434194269 521251 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1434194386 605188 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah...
< 1434194395 44326 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that nick dates back to me using the internet at age 12 or something :D
< 1434194423 851244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've had younger
< 1434194437 17758 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0x13
< 1434194438 388855 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 19
< 1434194562 663995 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from a multi-player 2D game I used to play
< 1434194587 44894 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://clonk.de/classics.php?lng=en
< 1434194611 603651 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://clonk.de/video.php?lng=en&id=cr
< 1434194636 848493 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trailer is probably more significant
< 1434194650 509648 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since compared to other game trailers it actually shows ingame footage)
< 1434194833 738441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it one of those red monsters at 0:43
< 1434194851 644497 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1434194876 801824 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434194905 379254 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :need a new antivirus: bitdefender vs kaspersy?
< 1434194949 507637 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually a proprietary 2D game engine with lots of "official" contents and thousands of user-made content
< 1434194959 615034 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. it was proprietary. It's open source now.
< 1434195099 481994 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq3oK-kaANk for example is Quake for Clonk
< 1434195101 767016 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more or less)
< 1434195224 149265 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why it was so successful
< 1434195477 805149 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there was always just a small core community of a few dozen people
< 1434195487 856256 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they have all grown old now :)
< 1434195529 694124 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :until Clonk Rage came out, which gained some popularity and the community grew a lot with young kids for a while
< 1434195541 492010 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but young kids today rather play CoD than games like this :)
< 1434195562 268372 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly dead now.
< 1434195813 70220 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which also applies to the older ones :)
< 1434195819 322160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1434195894 970370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah nobody would play a 2d platformer today
< 1434195898 662312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the genre is effectively dead
< 1434195908 994899 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no that's total bullshit it's thriving
< 1434195922 641716 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly a platformer :)
< 1434195934 49172 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :which av do you recommend?
< 1434195975 506715 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theres Open Clonk now
< 1434195991 492945 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which took the Clonk Rage source code and are trying to create something new out of it
< 1434195994 683503 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.openclonk.org/
< 1434196002 656506 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone care about my question?
< 1434196021 911531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka, since i have no idea what 'av' means i can't really answer
< 1434196029 767146 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :anti-virus
< 1434196048 100717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION this time just kept the one that came with windows
< 1434196057 32362 :nys!~nys@blk-103-227-154.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434196107 621734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on my previous laptop i changed _to_ microsoft's av because the one i was using started to get annoyingly nagging
< 1434196136 480365 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.openclonk.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Raid.png
< 1434196143 757471 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has made some good progress lately it seems
< 1434196274 432229 :Lyka!~scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PART :#esoteric
< 1434196417 13462 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm interesting.
< 1434196479 488769 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this confirms that "access to guns" doesn't necessarily mean more crime
< 1434196485 664368 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the people that suck :)
< 1434196614 354283 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Access to guns means that you get more accidents where you are shitty at gun safety, and your toddler picks up your gun and shoots you
< 1434196632 381251 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... not really
< 1434196649 218899 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, seriously, that does happen
< 1434196660 383282 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you place your gun where a toddler can pick it up you're a fucking moron
< 1434196665 712089 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1434196672 657029 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, it happened to a policeman during a wedding
< 1434196676 220690 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how many households have guns in switzerland?
< 1434196703 686545 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vast majority?
< 1434196713 115084 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much
< 1434196734 562280 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"compulsory military service"?
< 1434196761 613630 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine less Swiss people are unsafe with a gun though
< 1434196766 38418 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had three guns at home
< 1434196777 930434 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :father's, brother's and the other brother's gun
< 1434196782 999009 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :w43
< 1434196803 16348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that _quite_ implies everyone having a gun, it certainly didn't in norway back when military service was genuinely compulsory
< 1434196803 849070 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're obviously supposed to take certain parts away from the gun
< 1434196811 593500 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and store those in seperate locations
< 1434196817 73163 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anybody ever tries to invade Switzerland, Switzerland will win
< 1434196840 774179 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well not everybody
< 1434196844 459024 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that access to firearms alone doesn't mean high gun violence is pretty widely acknowledged
< 1434196849 134526 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the ones deemed fit for military service
< 1434196867 276617 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :since all you need to do to see it is look at the guns per capita and the gun deaths per capita in the usa vs. any other country
< 1434196867 508347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: ...my point still applies.
< 1434196874 122790 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course :)
< 1434196892 880558 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I'd be able to get through the physical to get into military service
< 1434196893 503900 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody deemed fit enough and still in military service
< 1434196895 883686 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I want to
< 1434196905 671706 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :old people at some point are retired and they have to give the gun back
< 1434196957 414438 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gun crimes are a cultural thing.
< 1434196961 981561 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my opinion
< 1434196983 981080 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and poverty 
< 1434197023 888017 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: physical entry exams are usually pretty low demanding actually
< 1434197069 353378 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I base that on the USMC PFT
< 1434197076 965987 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which requires a mere 3 pull-ups
< 1434197088 99293 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :28min 3mile run
< 1434197090 624041 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 50 crunches
< 1434197150 494272 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.4km is what you should be able to do in 12min
< 1434197155 121616 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's not even a good score
< 1434197194 713009 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*2.2k
< 1434197207 485621 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :good is around 2.5km
< 1434197228 12262 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much is 3 miles again?
< 1434197230 215444 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.8km?
< 1434197388 705234 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gives you 6min exhaustion 
< 1434197428 542014 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: You underestimate how long it's been since I last exercised
< 1434197468 939346 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't done any 12min runs for the last years either
< 1434197474 101961 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't know how I stand there
< 1434197504 203273 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do 12 pull-ups.
< 1434197528 707419 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've trained that for months now and it doesn't get any better
< 1434197540 3074 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I assume 12 pull-ups is pretty much my body's natural peek of what it can do
< 1434197553 930204 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how many pullups I can do
< 1434197559 762864 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect it to be good
< 1434197566 705608 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :without using a specific diet or extra nutrition/protein shakes and the like
< 1434197581 524871 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm incredibly lazy
< 1434197605 726494 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Yeah but really all it takes is like 20min of exercise every other day
< 1434197674 382689 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want to run a marathon
< 1434197682 292487 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to stay "averagely fit" it doesn't take much
< 1434197980 549222 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I don't do 20 min of exercise a day
< 1434197997 582718 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :My minutes of exercise a day are in the negative numbers
< 1434198370 991867 :xfix!~xfix@unaffiliated/xfix QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated!
< 1434200670 939736 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434200941 253736 :nys!~nys@blk-103-227-154.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stick with pushdowns
< 1434201327 571457 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1434203261 558250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1434203860 574019 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1434204386 418847 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/burlesque/new.html
< 1434204400 573091 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to get the webpage back 
< 1434205218 126156 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more good looking than it currently is)
< 1434205867 759868 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1434205894 614352 :Herbalist!~oz@185.82.32.20 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434205914 311205 :Herbalist!~oz@185.82.32.20 QUIT :Changing host
< 1434205914 486973 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434206030 182051 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. it's live
< 1434206278 363731 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took the liberty to state that this is the help channel for burlesque :p
< 1434206304 742264 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I'd expect strangers to suddenly appear here
< 1434207010 694962 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :heaven forbid, we might have to talk to people we don't already know!
< 1434207086 137237 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: http://mroman.ch/burlesque/hackmode.txt not found
< 1434207349 754649 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gxztvqoydvzrjsaa JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434209052 939538 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net NICK :augur
< 1434209531 83803 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have just spent £50 on boxes
< 1434210061 18770 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434210287 371278 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434211868 365293 :w43!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1434212976 655892 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant
< 1434212976 919235 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1434213171 632870 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1434213185 432264 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IS THE WORD FOR WHEN YOU DON'T HEAR ABOUT SOMETHING THEN HEAR ABOUT IT FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES ALL AT ONCE?
< 1434213251 579647 :lemurian!~sh4n3@unaffiliated/lemurian PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Phrase "living under a rock"  coems to mind
< 1434213253 247727 :lemurian!~sh4n3@unaffiliated/lemurian PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Coma
< 1434213263 741377 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not like that
< 1434213313 906227 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like "Oh, that's interesting.", then "Yes, Alice told me that the other day." then "Oh, that fact is now on Reddit, huh", etc
< 1434213490 675000 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to call it synchronicity
< 1434213529 800387 :Elronnd!elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm PART :#esoteric
< 1434213558 62693 :nys!~nys@blk-103-227-154.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit
< 1434213700 356484 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said
< 1434213715 727349 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434213715 903166 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 QUIT :Changing host
< 1434213715 903317 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434213749 604168 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1434214757 471954 :quietello!~bcd@209.86.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1434215552 134496 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: [
< 1434215735 408514 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434217251 305739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, baader-meinhoff effect
< 1434217288 726923 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you
< 1434218610 867302 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gxztvqoydvzrjsaa QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1434219838 277903 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At your discretion you may also take the aforementioned code under 
< 1434219838 492019 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :any other license, providing that that license does not impose any
< 1434219838 945511 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :duties or obligations upon me, Oren Watson.
< 1434219854 562248 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ does the above sound legal enough
< 1434219937 183080 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say "Other licenses available by request" to make sure you don't get screwed over
< 1434219971 756212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1434219979 188257 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well given that the initial license is CC0
< 1434220075 365848 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main issue is people making a license that imposes upon me a duty of care to debug the code for them
< 1434220142 295951 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it's possible for them to do that, but I want to prevent it in case the powers that be decide it is
< 1434220273 572567 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah fuck it, "Other licenses available upon request" is good enough to stop that too
< 1434220555 173166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Affirmer offers the Work as-is and makes no representations or warranties of any kind concerning the Work [...]' <-- that should cover your worries (but obviously, I'm not a lawyer)
< 1434220592 990999 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from the CC0 legal text, section 4)
< 1434220783 396416 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434220806 966246 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1434220897 244261 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :` ps -axo comm,lstart | grep irssi
< 1434220897 734818 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
< 1434220906 967993 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps -axo comm,lstart | grep irssi
< 1434220907 661085 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? \ See http://gitorious.org/procps/procps/blobs/master/Documentation/FAQ
< 1434220914 379473 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps axo comm,lstart | grep irssi
< 1434220914 979840 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1434220933 732958 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego isn't running irssi?
< 1434220954 412103 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434220996 497768 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps axo comm,lstart | grep bash
< 1434220997 109738 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash            Sat Jun 13 18:45:05 2015
< 1434221029 68663 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, look, I reimplemented the date command
< 1434221132 779576 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps axo comm,lstart | grep mysqld
< 1434221133 364691 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1434221156 373487 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps axo comm,lstart | grep apache
< 1434221157 64244 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1434221161 873686 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha
< 1434221177 245749 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434221192 593442 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1434221242 242296 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps axo comm,lstart
< 1434221242 975587 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMMAND                          STARTED \ init            Sat Jun 13 18:49:11 2015 \ kthreadd        Sat Jun 13 18:49:11 2015 \ ksoftirqd/0     Sat Jun 13 18:49:11 2015 \ kworker/0:0     Sat Jun 13 18:49:11 2015 \ kworker/0:0H    Sat Jun 13 18:49:11 2015 \ kworker/u2:0    Sat Jun 13 18:49:11 2015 \ khelper         Sat Jun 13 18:49:11 2015 \ kdevtm
< 1434221264 226336 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps axo comm
< 1434221264 958828 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMMAND \ init \ kthreadd \ ksoftirqd/0 \ kworker/0:0 \ kworker/0:0H \ kworker/u2:0 \ khelper \ kdevtmpfs \ netns \ kworker/u2:1 \ writeback \ bioset \ kblockd \ kworker/0:1 \ kswapd0 \ fsnotify_mark \ deferwq \ init \ init \ init \ sh \ sh \ ps \ cat \ umlbox-mudem
< 1434221296 474158 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps axo comm | tail
< 1434221297 132089 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :init \ init \ init \ sh \ sh \ bash \ cat \ umlbox-mudem \ ps \ tail
< 1434221308 481865 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's all?
< 1434221773 745969 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ps -eo start
< 1434221774 349760 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ STARTED \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02 \ 18:58:02
< 1434221784 725352 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ps -eo start
< 1434221785 327166 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ STARTED \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13 \ 18:58:13
< 1434221832 859406 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat emoticons/gaan
< 1434221833 361492 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​(°Д°)
< 1434221971 689034 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really starts up the whole environment afresh with each command???!?!
< 1434222803 875187 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1434222974 413462 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` uname -a
< 1434222975 26735 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.13.0-umlbox #1 Wed Jan 29 12:56:45 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux
< 1434223605 43362 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGPR
< 1434223605 445988 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result.
< 1434223692 961747 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1434223751 34901 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434223822 896577 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1434223984 312695 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://airportnavfinder.com/airport/EGPR/ ... have a look at the maps with the three "runways" :)
< 1434224056 313396 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surface: dirt 
< 1434224077 117423 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be 'surface: salt water'
< 1434224085 377872 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, one can search for ICAO codes on google maps 
< 1434224092 352463 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: it depends on the tides
< 1434224122 316521 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, that isn't an error, wow
< 1434224291 13802 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434225380 857376 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you make a JavaScript code in a web page that overrides events for clicking links to other parts of the same page? One wiki has problem so I want to override it in the custom script
< 1434226259 464479 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :es = document.getElementsByTagName('a'); for(i=0;i emoticons/gaan <== \ (°Д°) \  \ ==> emoticons/kyaa <== \ (≧∇≦)/ \  \ ==> emoticons/shrug <== \ ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1434228979 910409 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should have put in a longer one,
< 1434228989 185735 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :liek ガ━━(゚Д゚;)━━━ン!!!!!
< 1434229141 578041 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :``cat >emoticons/gaaan <<<'ガ~(゚ロ゚;)~ン'
< 1434229142 95083 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `cat: not found
< 1434229146 420144 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat >emoticons/gaaan <<<'ガ~(゚ロ゚;)~ン'
< 1434229150 297727 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1434229179 821044 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat emoticons/gaan
< 1434229180 312810 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​(°Д°)
< 1434229183 795561 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat emoticons/gaaan
< 1434229184 269304 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ガ~(゚ロ゚;)~ン
< 1434229237 206668 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaaan is a general expression of severe shock or dread in Japanese manga
< 1434229394 727611 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of these jis emoji don't look right in a terminal
< 1434229461 972132 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cause your terminal sucks.
< 1434229506 896549 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your terminal check the font to see how wide a character is?
< 1434229574 918794 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but JIS emoji assume a fixed width font...
< 1434229604 185996 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but they also assume that Д is a wide character
< 1434229663 636521 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1434229672 312635 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just brain damaged.
< 1434229684 768247 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they assume that any character outside JIS 0201 is a wide character, 
< 1434229704 175928 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that is how all fixed-width japanese fonts render
< 1434229770 722966 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is... incorrect.
< 1434229783 739412 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it shows up fine in a browser if you have the right fonts, but in a terminal, they assume instead unicode width, which fucks it up
< 1434229793 80478 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, doh, it's not fixed width it's bizarre proportional width.
< 1434229798 294428 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :K, it won't ever work in a terminal.
< 1434229821 940409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is a bad idea for terminal emulators
< 1434229918 489945 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :EUC-CN is better
< 1434229935 293838 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which also means it'll only work rendered with MS PGothic (or anything with similar characteristics)
< 1434229962 856660 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Unfortunately, all other encodings suck.
< 1434229973 859732 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning that Unicode on a terminal is, well, what's gonna happen.
< 1434229993 241216 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or really any EUC-XX is better than Unicode for fixed width stuff
< 1434230036 722990 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, just means wcswidth is easier. The real trick with terminals really is handling bidirectional text.
< 1434230067 438255 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just write it backwards. PHP has 'hebrev()' function for this.
< 1434230100 50626 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's incorrect.
< 1434230103 265348 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could easily write one that works for all R2L languages
< 1434230170 879825 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The terminal's supposed to display it properly. Doing that just happens to suck. :)
< 1434230424 187363 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how they do arabic in a terminal?
< 1434230455 440689 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they just use the isolated form of every letter?
< 1434230503 346065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is terrible too though. ASCII is work good
< 1434230577 514354 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe they just put the normal string in there.
< 1434230628 312184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defining width, kerning, ligature, right-to-left, etc should be defined by the font metric file using whatever character encoding it defines (which is allowed to be Unicode if it wants); the rest of the program knows nothing about this, furthermore these font metric file aren't for terminal but are for typesetting instead.
< 1434230662 151751 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :This means that libc has to know about the font being used?
< 1434230701 110462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, libc ought not to care at all.
< 1434230711 985744 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it has to know the character width.
< 1434230716 59841 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :wcswidth says so.
< 1434230732 35919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And should just assume one byte = 1 width unit
< 1434230738 583850 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that is wrong.
< 1434230755 317050 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't it work for Shift-JIS though?
< 1434230758 171464 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for ASCII?
< 1434230772 772498 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :wcswidth *does* know the character set.
< 1434230801 319875 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, a 4 byte UTF-8 character is not inherently 4 cells.
< 1434230823 874986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that, but, it can even be ambiguous too
< 1434230833 580014 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better is to not use wcswidth at all
< 1434230856 10543 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then how do you know the width of a string in units of terminal cells?
< 1434230866 571193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is dumb for terminal cells to use UTF-8
< 1434230870 863151 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hint, a lot of fancier use of the terminal HAS to know that)
< 1434230883 304775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like they said EUC would be better
< 1434230888 517893 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's the thing: terminals *in practice* use UTF-8.
< 1434230890 183571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can also tell by querying the terminal if you need to
< 1434230893 868904 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because everything else uses UTF-8.
< 1434230907 930646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't, I use VT100 and PC characters
< 1434230911 227390 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because everything else is only usable by a subset of humanity.
< 1434230953 649040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should use an encoding with explicit widths.
< 1434230965 664487 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Unicode.
< 1434230968 26826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need right-to-left, specify by a control code.
< 1434230977 413844 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode *has* character width defined, it's just in a lookup table.
< 1434230981 661670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode isn't the encoding though, and UTF-8 doesn't have explicit widths
< 1434230989 747087 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Encodings such as Shift-JIS do
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< 1434231027 578568 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except no-they-don't, the rule "1 byte per 1 cell" is not entirely correct. :)
< 1434231060 545101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes they don't quite there are other problems too
< 1434231119 625573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A better encoding would be: Wide characters are two bytes in 0xA0-0xFF range; narrow characters are 0x20-0x7E or a SS2 or SS3 code followed by any 0xA0-0xFF or 0x20-0x7E code.
< 1434231145 851747 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh good! It's *stateful*.
< 1434231148 286887 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That *sucks*.
< 1434231164 672733 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it is entirely correct with a SJIS font!
< 1434231179 309820 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then also SO and SI, to select additional characters such as line drawing)
< 1434231181 586080 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: ... Which are proportional, not fixed width.
< 1434231183 589847 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1434231186 873965 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1434231204 225537 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try the font MS Gothic
< 1434231213 29656 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not MS PGothic, MS Gothic.
< 1434231225 368215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also degrees, British pound sign, pi, etc are also selected by shift out)
< 1434231226 980433 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or any other non-P japanese font.
< 1434231241 21090 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS Gothic is not the font used for SJIS art.
< 1434231276 461045 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct, however it DOES have 1-byte-per-cell when used with SJIS encoding
< 1434231280 819718 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ... stateful. Stateful sucks.
< 1434231291 139029 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Okay, then that's just terrible. :)
< 1434231314 208911 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And means that the rendering of text changes if you convert to unicode...
< 1434231319 190721 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which doesn't seem right.
< 1434231338 945990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you shouldn't convert it to Unicode, except if you are going to convert back to Shift-JIS
< 1434231359 267479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is really terrible
< 1434231366 861468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII is better
< 1434231372 251202 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is significantly better than all alternatives.
< 1434231379 480324 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :EUC-CN is better
< 1434231381 21290 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you seek to eliminate most languages.
< 1434231399 596503 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: If you seek to eliminate most languages.
< 1434231420 493417 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Unicode fails to encode a lot of stuff properly
< 1434231460 546779 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like?
< 1434231461 434527 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to do it by font-metric files. This way you can define your own metrics for private-use as well as non-private codes.
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< 1434231497 858216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commodore 64 codes
< 1434231526 449955 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constructed scripts (which is done by CSUR; there is also LINCUA which uses private use area for another purpose)
< 1434231526 874465 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not "a lot", but sure, that is missing and maybe shouldn't be.
< 1434231549 646072 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW constructed scripts *may* go in Unicode... They just mostly haven't.
< 1434231572 392212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are many problems with what the various characters mean in situations, which can depend on language and other stuff
< 1434231771 777267 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is plenty of room in the EUC codes for accented letters and the like. their omission is purely because the existing EUC codes are country-specific
< 1434231794 954828 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck avoiding being country specific while improving Unicode.
< 1434231803 695082 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... no, seriously, I wish you the best of luck.)
< 1434232097 800770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own design it uses 8-bit codes, but the codes are taken from a user-definable lookup table of 12-bit codes (the lookup table itself uses 9-bit codes though), but it guarantees 1 byte = 1 cell (except control characters which take up no space, but may still move the cursor), correct ordering, etc. This design is only for display though and is not designed for typesetting. (Also some codes can be used for user-defined characters)
< 1434232129 321838 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1434232146 904658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This code does not include right-to-left languages, but you do have hiragana/katakana, Russian, ISO-8859-1, PC character set, Commodore 64, Apple Mousetext, Infocom character graphics, VT100 character graphics, etc
< 1434232171 660760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The control codes are the same too)
< 1434232229 687284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can easily know which 12-bit codes are control codes; they are the ones with the three high-bits all set!
< 1434232244 845389 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is a middle ground between encodings like EUC-JP or Latin-1 on one hand, and Unicode on the other. Consider if we support a subset consisting of only those unicode characters which are fully composed, do not link into ligatures, and are not copies of another character.
< 1434232272 106608 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you still will not handle all languages.
< 1434232275 294825 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by copies, I mean to exclude the damned math italics)
< 1434232281 123313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: That is useful when you want to encode the text into a format that uses Unicode, such as in RDF.
< 1434232322 42587 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such subsets can then be used when you want to support only such subsets but make it compatible with program that render/search arbitrary Unicode texts too.
< 1434232340 391919 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: right, but it would support _most_ languages, and in particular those which work well in a grid
< 1434232392 795536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said, it is useful when you need to convert such text into Unicode, and/or decode it from Unicode.
< 1434232516 280962 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you could cut it down to 0x7f80 non-ascii characters.  
< 1434232542 327030 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you could, then the result would be a byte-widthed encoding.
< 1434232559 514581 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming the font treats all non-ascii as wide)
< 1434232612 329490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it doesn't treat all non-ASCII as wide, you can make some prefixes considered "control codes" which mean ones that start with those are narrow.
< 1434232642 882917 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x7f80 = 128 non-ascii start characters, followed by 255 non-zero end characters
< 1434232949 747878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1434233051 753267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the string contains no control codes and all non-ASCII characters are wide, then it is in fact just the number of bytes = number of cells.
< 1434233122 876175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your idea seem like it would be pretty good encoding for terminals.
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< 1434233166 981505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that some narrow characters then won't work, unless you use a "prefix of narrow codes"
< 1434233186 863931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes it only *slightly* complicated.
< 1434233373 635175 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. but at least the width  is always <= number of bytes, which is not the case for utf-8 by a long shot 
< 1434233390 849021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1434233391 714861 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote/Quotes are just elements of the quantum dilapidated bogosphere. See qdb.
< 1434233433 400047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1434233434 308853 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep/Sleep is for the weak.
< 1434233478 527933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/sleep
< 1434233479 856278 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan elliott oerjan
< 1434233508 761230 :vifino!vifino@tty.sh QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1434233605 392829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1434233606 218773 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks ants/thants
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< 1434234385 863710 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately, for byte-guzzling no-good-niks: use a 14 pixel high, 1 pixel wide font for double-byte characters. transmit any non-ascii character as an image formed from these thin slices.
< 1434234486 602169 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1434234937 157973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose for picture terminals it can help, or for a terminal with a picture mode in addition to the standard text mode.
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< 1434236022 618973 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: nice! I was thinking of using 9 wide 1 high font in text mode to create monochrome graphics once,
< 1434236046 774966 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I think you can put the Linux text console to such a mode without root permissions
< 1434236613 391022 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: how about a 4x2 font with the braille subset of unicode...
< 1434236640 279670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, this would allow a higher resolution
< 1434236652 551227 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though only a lower refresh rate than a real graphics mode
< 1434236659 754606 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a real graphics mode is still preferable
< 1434236692 971481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shouldn't even use the Unicode there, although making it 4x2 helps so that you can convert it to Unicode at least.
< 1434237173 965863 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I still have a problem with the braille subset of kanji (though if you're misusing them for graphics, it's irrelevant)
< 1434237259 551662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely that there's no code places yet for the braille cells that extend the normal 6 point cells with two points _above_ the cell, as opposed to below. Those cells are used for "Katenji", the more believable one out of the two experimental systems to encode Japanese text with the kanji fully represented.
< 1434237353 818792 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1434238790 242642 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :shachaf
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< 1434239035 847890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1434239036 649369 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo/Sgeo is a language nomad. (Not to be confused with a language monad.) He invented Metaplace sex, thus killing it within a month. He was Doctor Mengele in his previous life, as evidenced by his norn experiments.
< 1434239052 426477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? metaplace sex
< 1434239053 256284 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :metaplace sex? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1434239145 960435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's not bring the carnage here tdnh
< 1434239258 544770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Metaplace ♫ is where I want to be, ♫ I never m*%¤)&"#NO CARRIER
< 1434239260 168867 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'metaplace': Metaplace ♫ is where I want to be, ♫ I never m*%¤)&"#NO CARRIER
< 1434239325 240605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd wisdom; rgrep invented * | grep -v Taneb | sed 's/:.*//' | xargs
< 1434239326 111377 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey mroman Binary file reflection matches rtf sgeo twoducks unicode
< 1434239401 469215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1434239408 679044 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :reflection is not helpful for grep tdnh
< 1434239430 728389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1434239474 579764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd wisdom; rgrep i[n]vented * | grep -v Taneb | sed 's/:.*//' | xargs
< 1434239475 507129 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey mroman rtf sgeo twoducks unicode
< 1434239501 552022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had to that back with `logs, i remember
< 1434239513 269424 :simpleirc!~simpleirc@c-98-242-60-198.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434239516 291313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do that?
< 1434239537 29529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :munge regexes to avoid them matcing themselves
< 1434239547 294581 :simpleirc!~simpleirc@c-98-242-60-198.hsd1.ca.comcast.net NICK :trinna
< 1434239557 965300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't parse your sentence and then I realized it was probably missing the word "do".
< 1434239636 800668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1434239641 321821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ♫
< 1434239642 223134 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :977)  ok im sober now and DNS makes sense again [...]  Domain Name System [...]  ♫ domain name system ♫ \ 985)  and then one day you find, ten years have got behind you, no one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun   ♫ ♫ ♫   (Unicode needs a character specifically for "Pink Floyd guitar
< 1434239686 683701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote ♫ | tail -n +1
< 1434239687 344211 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :977)  ok im sober now and DNS makes sense again [...]  Domain Name System [...]  ♫ domain name system ♫ \ 985)  and then one day you find, ten years have got behind you, no one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun   ♫ ♫ ♫   (Unicode needs a character specifically for "Pink Floyd guitar
< 1434239690 698731 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh speaking of DNS, how's the esolangs.org takeover going?
< 1434239699 937786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph why can i never remember tail's syntax
< 1434239711 122093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-n 1 hth
< 1434239732 166196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote ♫ | tail -n +2
< 1434239732 834636 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :985)  and then one day you find, ten years have got behind you, no one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun   ♫ ♫ ♫   (Unicode needs a character specifically for "Pink Floyd guitar solo")
< 1434239740 800361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had an off by one error
< 1434239767 944836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like tail has an off by one error hth
< 1434239770 155186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the syntax for counting from the beginning instead of the end
< 1434239782 181037 :trinna!~simpleirc@c-98-242-60-198.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PART :#esoteric
< 1434239785 33060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more annoying is tail -c +1
< 1434239846 622121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? copumpkin
< 1434239847 250681 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin is categorically incapable of being president.
< 1434239862 677174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: is that still true outside of CT land?
< 1434239876 135639 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1434239890 314182 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will never be a "natural born US citizen", so yes
< 1434239912 336181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither will i :'(
< 1434239920 503280 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just lobby to change that rule
< 1434239930 964557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i can be president of the copumpkin fan club
< 1434239931 170168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: you could perhaps become president of another country
< 1434239941 891039 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :my other country doesn't have presidents!
< 1434239951 66119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which other country?
< 1434239953 470185 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK
< 1434239961 399139 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also eligible for italian citizenship, which does have a president
< 1434239973 228228 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure they allow naturalized citizens to become president either
< 1434239985 477271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: i was more thinking of finding a country which has no natural-born rule
< 1434239999 377228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure norway doesn't, alas we have a king.