00:08:07 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:InputUsername]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43556&oldid=43396 * InputUsername * (+227) Added GScript, implementation of GolfScript
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00:12:36 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:InputUsername]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43558&oldid=43557 * InputUsername * (+6) Added break
00:18:17 <boily> oren: you should extend these regexpes à la perl, with an "e" switch.
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01:10:33 <pikhq> An initial review of working at Google: this is the most exhausting tech job.
01:11:54 <oren> Oh, it's like 6:15 in California right now, you just got off work?
01:12:32 <pikhq> Been off a little bit.
01:14:12 <oren> really.. my work starts at 10 and ends at 6 (so that there's more overlap with the california people)
01:15:43 <oren> some of the poeple in the toronto office work from 11-7 or 12-8 even. crazy
01:16:17 <oren> 12-8 would I think be the same as california 9-5
01:17:20 <fowl> G told me i should write more java
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01:32:24 <boily> 8:30-5:00 is the best, even earlier if possible.
01:32:58 <boily> quiet and fresh mornings without too much traffic, nice bike rides...
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02:12:45 <oren> how do you get rid of ants
02:13:53 <fowl> Pour sugar water on the ground
02:14:01 <fowl> They cant stand the stuff
02:14:29 <oren> That's what I did to get the ants
02:14:44 <oren> Now I need to get wird of them tdnh
02:16:01 <oren> I'm going to try boiling water
02:16:33 <oren> hmm it's killing them...
02:17:49 <oren> hopefully these ants having been boiled alive will send a message to the ant queen that her progeny are not wlcome in my home
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04:57:45 <zzo38> Are some people on today?
04:59:33 <zzo38> I still do not know how long it take until my HTTP and gopher services are available again. However one thing to be concern about is possibly the HTTP service will be changed into case-sensitive, so please take that into account in case something doesn't work
04:59:53 <zzo38> I have digital music in my VCR
05:00:30 <zzo38> It says I have a lot of digital channels, but most of them don't work, and most of them that do work have no picture. Do you know why?
05:01:48 <zzo38> I can tell you one idea I had, to make up a "second-level VM" for implementing Z-machine
05:02:38 <zzo38> So there is one main program, but the stuff of differences of ZIP, EZIP, XZIP, YZIP, and possibly even DIP and Inform, in other file it loads and then also load story file
05:09:06 <zzo38> My ideas there are two address spaces but the code and data are stored in the same address space instead of in different one.
05:09:45 <zzo38> It is sort of like a microcode system I suppose, one address space is like the microcode (except that it isn't, but it is kind of like a similar idea)
05:11:34 <zzo38> Also I looked at TempleOS a bit recently; one thing it has that I like is the #exe command.
05:14:11 <fowl> HolyC and Red Sea Filesystem lol
05:14:43 <fowl> zzo38 you should see his YouTube videos, specifically his replies to replies to his YouTube videos, hilarious
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05:18:25 <zzo38> What VM is use for the purpose mainly to run a class of other VM?
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05:46:41 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Hanoi Love]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43559&oldid=43473 * Rdebath * (-27) Smaller Hello world example
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07:05:24 <lambdabot> LOWI 180650Z VRB03KT 9999 FEW080 18/15 Q1023 NOSIG
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07:45:57 <FireFly> `` for f in bin/*; do culprits "$f" | grep -q FireFly && echo "$f"; done
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07:57:27 <Jafet> `` for f in bin/*; do culprits "$f" | tr -cd a-zA-z | grep -q FireFly && echo "$f"; done
08:02:14 <FireFly> `` for f in bin/*; do culprits "$f" | grep -q FireFly && echo "$f"; done | tr -cd \[:print:]
08:02:31 <shachaf> Isn't it too late to tr after the grep?
08:03:22 <shachaf> perhaps our low-tech hero ireFl can help here
08:03:34 <shachaf> Though I'm guessing that maybe it's just a timeout.
08:06:12 <shachaf> Oddly enough, that works here.
08:06:15 <Jafet> I wanted to be different, just in case.
08:12:23 <Sgeo_> I still don't grok Erlang/Elixir OTP
08:12:53 <Sgeo_> Like, do most applications used named processes? Wouldn't this mean that two applications could end up conflicting if internal process names conflict?
08:13:11 <Sgeo_> Aren't named processes a form of global state?
08:31:57 <Jafet> `` hg log --stat bin | sed -n '/summary: *<FireFly>/,/files changed/' | grep -Po '(?<=^ )[^|]+(?=\| +[0-9]+ )' | xargs -n 1 echo | sort -u | xargs
08:31:59 <HackEgo> sed: -e expression #1, char 37: missing command
08:32:05 <Jafet> `` hg log --stat bin | sed -n '/summary: *<FireFly>/,/files changed/p' | grep -Po '(?<=^ )[^|]+(?=\| +[0-9]+ )' | xargs -n 1 echo | sort -u | xargs
08:38:09 <Jafet> `` hg log --stat --removed bin | sed -n '/summary: *<FireFly>/,/files changed/p' | grep -Po '(?<=^ )[^|]+(?=\| +[0-9]+ )' | xargs -n 1 echo | sort -u | xargs
08:39:03 <Jafet> `` hg log --stat --removed bin | sed -n '/summary: *<FireFly>/,/files changed/p' | grep -Po '(?<=^ )[^|]+(?=\| +[0-9]+ )' xargs -n 1
08:39:20 <HackEgo> grep: xargs: No such file or directory \ grep: 1: No such file or directory
08:40:08 <Jafet> `` hg log --stat --removed bin | sed -n '/summary: *<FireFly>/,/files changed/p' | grep -Po '(?<=^ )[^|]+(?=\| +[0-9]+ )' | xargs -n 1
08:40:33 <HackEgo> bin/döts \ bin/wisdöm \ bin/döts \ bin/döts \ bin/döts \ bin/culprits \ bin/culprits \ bin/culprits \ bin/culprits \ bin/culprits \ bin/culprits \ bin/wlcm \ bin/wlcmr \ bin/wlcm \ bin/wlcmr \ bin/coins \ bin/r13elcome \ bin/runcpp \ bin/runcpp \ bin/runcpp \ bin/ls \ bin/olist \ bin/olist \ bin/welcome \ bin/it \ bin/pastelog \ bin/! \ bin/!
08:41:02 <Jafet> `r13elcome FireFly
08:41:03 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: r13elcome: not found
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10:22:26 <Jafet> `` echo $'#!python\ns=set()\ntry:\n while True:\n l=raw_input()\n if l not in s:\n s.add(l)\n print(l)\nexcept IOError:\n pass' > bin/uniqs && chmod +x bin/uniqs
10:22:43 <Jafet> `` hg log --stat --removed bin | sed -n '/summary: *<FireFly>/,/files changed/p' | grep -Po '(?<=^ )[^|]+(?=\| +[0-9]+ )' | xargs -n 1 | uniqs | xargs
10:23:11 <HackEgo> bash: /hackenv/bin/uniqs: python: bad interpreter: No such file or directory \ \ xargs: /bin/echo: terminated by signal 13
10:23:40 <Jafet> `` sed -i -e 's,python,/usr/bin/python,' bin/uniqs
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10:24:13 <Jafet> `` culprits bin/culprits | xargs -n 1 | uniqs | xargs
10:24:15 <HackEgo> Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/uniqs", line 5, in <module> \ l=raw_input() \ EOFError: EOF when reading a line \ Jafet tswett shachaf FireFly
10:24:45 <Jafet> `` sed -i -e 's,IOError,EOFError,' bin/uniqs
10:24:59 <Jafet> `` hg log --stat --removed bin | sed -n '/summary: *<FireFly>/,/files changed/p' | grep -Po '(?<=^ )[^|]+(?=\| +[0-9]+ )' | xargs -n 1 | uniqs | xargs
10:25:25 <HackEgo> bin/döts bin/wisdöm bin/culprits bin/wlcm bin/wlcmr bin/coins bin/r13elcome bin/runcpp bin/ls bin/olist bin/welcome bin/it bin/pastelog bin/!
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11:05:39 <oerjan> `döts is this thing on?
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12:12:21 <HackEgo> zzö38/zzö38 ïs nöẗ äcẗüällÿ ẗḧë nëẍẗ vërsïön öf füngöẗ, mücḧ äs ïẗ mäÿ sëëm.
12:14:33 <ais523> the IOCCC has started, btw
12:14:41 <ais523> they decided to announce that it had started some time after it actually started
12:22:46 <fizzie> We had a heated (fsvo) discussion about that on-channel soon after the announcement.
12:23:26 <fizzie> The end of getting a funny timestamp justifies the means, I guess.
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12:45:23 <ais523> wow, the latest version of GNU yes is over 60 times faster than the previous version
12:45:50 <ais523> I'm surprised that a) there was such scope for optimization, and b) that optimizing yes is something that people actually cared about
12:49:48 <jayCampbell> it matters if you're using yes to fill up a file
12:50:50 <jayCampbell> i'm making this up based on the fact i've only used yes to fill free space on partitions
12:51:59 <ais523> they claimed it might matter if using yes to generate source data as part of a testsuite
12:52:24 <ais523> also, why did you want to exhaust all free space on the partition?
12:52:42 <fizzie> Perhaps /dev/full was broken.
12:53:34 <Jafet> The only time you should use `yes' for test data is when running the test suite for `yes'...
12:54:15 <Jafet> Perhaps there should be a /dev/pseudorandom.
12:54:27 <fizzie> A "repeat source" mode for dd might make sense. It already has quite a few options/conversions.
12:54:40 <ais523> fizzie: I don't think you can /read/ from /dev/full…
12:54:48 <fizzie> ais523: You can, but you only read zeros.
12:54:53 <ais523> ah right, that makes sense
12:55:09 <ais523> come to think of it, this implies that /dev/zero could sensibly be removed
12:55:25 <ais523> because it reads like /dev/full and writes like /dev/null, so both halves of its functionality are available elsewhere
12:55:47 <ais523> (/dev/null reads as a zero-length file, right?)
12:56:14 <fizzie> Yes. At least as far as plain reads are concerned.
12:56:21 <fizzie> I'm not sure whether it seeks like a zero-length file.
12:57:07 <jayCampbell> ais523: poor man's disk scrubber for server customers
12:57:23 <ais523> jayCampbell: you know of shred, right?
12:57:30 <ais523> admittedly it doesn't work properly on SSDs
12:57:38 <jayCampbell> you know they had servers back in the 90s right
12:57:46 <ais523> but then, overwriting with alternate "y" and "\n" doesn't work with SSDs either
12:58:01 <ais523> shread's been around for ages, I think
12:58:20 <ais523> would be surprised if it wasn't around in the 90s
12:59:15 <ais523> I assumed that shred was part of POSIX
12:59:18 <ais523> perhaps it isn't though
12:59:43 <ais523> its documentation cites the algo as being based on a paper published in 1996, so it perhaps hasn't been around as long as I thought
12:59:45 <jayCampbell> /dev/pseudorandom is a one-liner with fuse
13:00:00 <Jafet> You use `yes' to scrub disks, not dd (disk destroyer)?
13:00:24 <jayCampbell> there was other valid data still on the disk
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13:02:48 <Jafet> Yes yes, it's clear that you've used yes.
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13:05:41 <Jafet> The shred info manual doesn't seem to mention flash storage anywhere
13:06:02 <jayCampbell> yes 01234567890123456789 |head -n 40 > grid.txt
13:06:35 <jayCampbell> flash is tricky because there's a raid-like controller between you and the disk
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13:07:03 <jayCampbell> the bits you overwrite may not actually be overwritten
13:08:00 <jayCampbell> so you can't overwrite the flash drive of a laptop with medical records on it reliably
13:08:28 <jayCampbell> hijacking the controller gives you access to the raw reassigned bits
13:08:56 <Jafet> It's probably cheaper at that point to (physically) shred it
13:09:29 <tswett> Some neural net-generated METAR: EGGW 231420Z 10000KT 9999 FEW009 09/04 Q1004 NOSIG
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13:10:48 <jayCampbell> 9mm dies would result in stadium-sized chips
13:11:05 <oerjan> tswett: i can believe that's the weather in luton
13:11:51 <lambdabot> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luton_Airport
13:12:50 <tswett> So that's apparently the London Luton airport. It's 14:20 UTC on the 23rd. The wind is coming from 100 degrees and has a speed of 0 knots.
13:14:50 <tswett> Prevailing visibility is 9999 meters. FEW009 is probably a cloud layer; I'll come back to that one. The temperature is 9 C and the dewpoint is 4 C.
13:15:32 <tswett> Altimeter setting is 1004 hPa. No significant changes expected in the next two hours.
13:18:54 <tswett> All right. There are a few clouds, with the base of the cloud layer at 900 feet.
13:20:33 <lambdabot> KGRR 181253Z 19005KT 10SM BKN200 BKN250 24/21 A2988 RMK AO2 SLP111 T02390211
13:28:14 <lambdabot> TISX 181253Z 11010KT 10SM SCT021 29/21 A3006 RMK AO2 SLP178 T02890211
13:34:42 <ais523> so at what point does the neural net actually start predicting the weather accurately?
13:35:39 <jayCampbell> does it have access to a modeling system or does it have to figure that out itself
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13:41:44 <lambdabot> CYYZ 181300Z 31004KT 260V320 9SM BKN005 22/20 A2988 RMK SF6 SLP116 DENSITY ALT 1600FT
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15:00:58 <oren> xoff ignored mumble mumble
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15:29:34 <lambdabot> LOWI 181520Z 08008KT 050V120 9999 SCT070 FEW070CB BKN140 30/15 Q1017 TEMPO FM1600 27015G25KT
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15:46:16 <pikhq> It sucks to apparently have scoliosis.
15:48:52 <Taneb> I hope it turns out it's something less scary
15:49:01 <pikhq> Scoliosis isn't that scary.
15:49:08 <pikhq> You might be thinking sclerosis.
15:49:18 <pikhq> Scoliosis is the disorder where your spine is curved wrong.
15:50:40 <pikhq> Scoliosis, except when profoundly severe, mostly just means that you hurt and might have issues with certain physical movements.
15:51:02 <pikhq> It *sucks*, but in terms of long-term prognosis or anything that's mostly it.
15:51:13 <Taneb> I might be thinking of sciatica
15:51:29 <pikhq> Scoliosis is just a consequence of the human back being shit. :)
15:51:38 <Taneb> Oh, that's a relief
15:51:55 <pikhq> Something like 3% of the population has it to some degree.
15:52:59 <Taneb> Don't make me worry like that! :(
15:53:13 <pikhq> But yeah. Recently noticed that I have a noticably curved back, along with my freaking right scapula jutting out. (that HURTS)
15:53:16 <coppro> but it's very minor and not an issue to me
15:53:27 <pikhq> And then found out I've got a family history of it.
15:53:48 <coppro> and you're somewhere where it's not cheap to get it fixed...
15:54:03 <pikhq> The scapula jutting out is not a new observation, FWIW
15:54:09 <pikhq> coppro: Yes, but I work for Google.
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15:55:00 <pikhq> Which is almost like living in a civilized country.
15:55:54 <coppro> pikhq: ah yeah, that'll help :)
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16:06:56 <oren> my mom has a steel rod holding her back straight
16:10:39 <oren> maybe you can get one?
16:10:59 <coppro> that's the common way to solve a scoliosis
16:11:13 <pikhq> Depends. They might not recommend surgery though.
16:11:20 <pikhq> It depends on the spinal curvature.
16:11:23 <coppro> it's only used in major cases though
16:11:41 <pikhq> Bit more common is stuff like braces.
16:11:48 <pikhq> And physical therapy.
16:12:27 <pikhq> (you can to some extent effect it/reduce chance of progression with carefully designed exercise routines)
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17:11:38 <oren> rdococ:herp derp
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17:16:51 <fizzie> I think it's a shame that Wacom doesn't have their website at wa.com.
17:17:21 <fizzie> If you have a TLD (a real one, not one of these newfangled ones) at the end of your name anyway, you should take advantage of it.
17:18:37 <oren> I was disappointed to find that there isn't .on
17:19:02 <oren> So I got orenwatson.be because belgian domains are cheap
17:19:07 <fizzie> Admittedly wa.com's been there since 1988, so maybe they'd have to have been very quick in adopting all this e-commerce stuff. But currently wa.com seems to be an empty website with only the text "WA.com" on it, registered by "XXI Ventures Limited", and that looks like a waste.
17:19:11 <_256Q> I was under the impreson you could have .anything at this point
17:19:41 <oren> only if you pay a lot I think
17:20:00 <fizzie> Yes, and I'm not sure they allow two-letter names for the new TLDs.
17:20:17 <fizzie> Just so that if ISO assigns a new alpha-2 country code at some point, it won't conflict.
17:20:43 <oren> ontario should secede ao that I can have a .on
17:20:59 <fizzie> There's a handy table at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#Decoding_table -- there's actually quite a few gaps.
17:21:19 <fizzie> oren: They'd give it .zq or something out of pique.
17:22:09 <_256Q> whats .io's deal? (honestly know very little about it, just gleaned that genraly it relates to something)
17:22:45 <oren> .io is very expensive (somehtin like $40). it is used for api's and new javascript b ullshit
17:23:19 <oren> toronto should have .yz
17:23:53 <oren> I think it's basically demand that determines it
17:24:06 <fizzie> It's officially "British Indian Ocean Territory".
17:24:27 <fizzie> "-- an overseas territory of the United Kingdom situated in the Indian Ocean halfway between Tanzania and Indonesia."
17:25:01 <fizzie> Good old British empire, I'd say, if I wasn't just a filthy immigrant here in UK.
17:25:15 <ais523> fizzie: you can admire the British empire despite being an immigrant
17:25:17 <ais523> I mean, someone has to
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17:26:05 <oren> I like the british empire but only some parts like the queeen
17:27:39 <oren> .ai is available but it costs 100$ a year
17:29:14 <fizzie> I had misremembered that the sun was now setting on the empire, but apparently it doesn't quite yet.
17:29:58 <fizzie> "Every night, around midnight GMT, the Sun sets on the Cayman Islands, and doesn't rise over the British Indian Ocean Territory until after 1:00 AM. For that hour, the little Pitcairn Islands in the South Pacific are the only British territory in the Sun. The Pitcairn Islands have a population of a few dozen people, the descendants of the mutineers from the HMS Bounty. The islands became ...
17:30:04 <fizzie> ... notorious in 2004 when a third of the adult male population, including the mayor, were convicted of child sexual abuse." (xkcd what-if)
17:30:05 <oren> technically it never does, especially if you count the antarctic britsh territory and the northernmost part of canasa
17:31:08 <oren> Wait that's the commonwealth
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17:32:01 <oren> Canada claims a pie-slice reaching up to the pole
17:32:26 <fizzie> Yes, apparently only the territories count for this.
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17:48:04 <oren> wubwubwubwubwubwub
17:57:30 <oren> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9imR1SZs_Ek
17:57:58 <oren> are youtube video ids base64 numbers?
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17:58:54 <oren> hmm... apparently not
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18:07:37 <Walpurgisnacht> I'm so tired I frel like I'm gonna melt But I can't go to sleep cuz its day and that unproductive
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18:11:55 <ais523> trying to do something useful while tired is also typically unproductive
18:14:16 <oren> then have a tetraspresso
18:15:35 <oren> (a form of coffee I invented. four espresso shots + maple syrup, milk and whipped cream)
18:16:02 <oren> it is served in a giant tall glass
18:17:59 <oren> if you don't have espresso, you can use instant coffee, just triple the amount it says to use on the label
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18:20:22 <oren> I prefer the prefix tetra to quad
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18:51:24 <fowl> Is there a list of numeric prefixes
18:51:40 <ais523> fowl: basically just Latin and Greek numbers
18:52:08 <fowl> Una, duo, tri, quadra, penta, septa, ??
18:53:26 <oren> eka- dvi- tri- chatur- pancha-
18:54:01 <oren> guess what language that was
18:54:08 <fowl> Eh whats six then
18:54:28 <oren> sanscrit, yeah
18:54:45 <oren> used by mendeleev for his predicted elements
18:55:04 <fowl> I start counting at 0 though
18:55:49 <ais523> or sometimes seg-, because an x can become a g in some contexts in Latin
18:57:20 <Jafet> If you bird-brains learned to count from 1 instead, you could count one higher.
18:58:07 <oren> e.g. germanium was called eka-silicon and rhenium dvi-manganese
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18:58:31 <oren> so the original element is the zeroth
19:03:17 <oren> Therefore, Flerovium could be called eka-Lead, dvi-Tin, tri-Germanium, chatur-Silicon, or pancha-Carbon
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19:08:25 <fowl> If \00 is 1 then 1-1 overflows?
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20:45:48 <oren> Does your font pass the Dwarf Fortress test?
20:45:50 <oren> http://www.orenwatson.be/dffonttest.utf8
20:47:26 <Jafet> Sounds like a test that can end only in failure.
20:50:36 <oren> GNU Unifont passes the test, as do my Dwarf-Fortress specific fonts, but most of my other fonts fail
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20:53:32 <oerjan> @tell Gregor glogbot could still do with a proper time setting, now it's 3-4 minutes late
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20:54:18 <oren> Is there a way to control which fonts my system falls back to?
20:55:39 <oren> I could use a lot of other fonts if I could make them fall back to GNU Unifont
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21:20:42 <oren> Even UTF-8 is easier in octal! why is everything easier in octal!
21:22:41 <Jafet> You don't need thumbs for them.
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21:23:39 <Jafet> I think a scandinavian king tried to promote octal
21:25:03 <oren> Really! Well he was ahead of his time
21:25:16 <Jafet> Too far ahead, it seems.
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21:39:51 <oerjan> sadly his reign was cut short by the evil witch Hexa
21:41:16 <oerjan> and after that the people were so fed up that they decimated their remaining followers.
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21:43:39 <oerjan> read all about this in the famous Áttatal epic
21:48:08 <fizzie> "It's nice to be / an astral squirrel / nothing to worry / everything's so easy", like the song goes.
21:48:18 <fizzie> I'm not sure how I got from octal to there.
21:49:00 <oerjan> i guess you went astra(ll)y
21:49:35 <fizzie> It rhymes better in Finnish, in case anyone was wondering.
21:50:50 <oerjan> are there many astral squirrels in finland
21:51:17 <fizzie> "On kiva olla / astraaliorava / ei huolet paina / kaikki on niin helppoa." Okay, maybe it's not all that.. rhymirric?
21:51:24 <fizzie> There are those glidey ones.
21:51:52 <fizzie> Apparently it's just "flying squirrel" in English.
21:53:33 <HackEgo> U+A754 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER P WITH SQUIRREL TAIL \ UTF-8: ea 9d 94 UTF-16BE: a754 Decimal: Ꝕ \ Ꝕ (ꝕ) \ Lowercase: U+A755 \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+A755 LATIN SMALL LETTER P WITH SQUIRREL TAIL \ UTF-8: ea 9d 95 UTF-16BE: a755 Decimal: ꝕ \ ꝕ (Ꝕ) \ Uppercase: U+A754 \ Category: Ll (Le
21:54:04 <oerjan> `` unicode SQUIRREL | grep SQUIRREL
21:54:05 <HackEgo> U+A754 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER P WITH SQUIRREL TAIL \ U+A755 LATIN SMALL LETTER P WITH SQUIRREL TAIL
21:54:26 <oerjan> are those at least astral characters
21:54:45 <fizzie> Is that pronounced as "squippel"?
21:55:00 <fizzie> Which, I think, has something to do with the legal term 'estoppel'.
21:58:01 <fizzie> I think that was proposed, with the obvious semantics.
21:58:44 <fizzie> Nobody seems to want the odd number of bytes.
21:59:32 <fizzie> Possibly because it would be more wasteful (or at least no better) than UTF-8 for the vast majority of scripts for storage/transfer, and it's awkward wrt. alignment for in-memory use.
22:01:17 <oren> Well maybe we should assign some code points to U10000000 and tell the people who use UTF-16 to go fuck themselves
22:01:17 <Jafet> It would be most efficient for emoji, though
22:01:41 <fizzie> There is no U10000000, though.
22:02:05 <oren> but UTF-8 could encode it
22:02:19 <fizzie> That's really arguable, and per my definition, no, it couldn't.
22:02:28 <fizzie> The obvious extension of UTF-8 could.
22:03:57 <fizzie> (And old versions of.)
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22:10:11 <oren> ` xxd -rp <<<'f9b0b0b0b00a'
22:10:11 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
22:10:19 <oren> `` xxd -rp <<<'f9b0b0b0b00a'
22:10:56 <HackEgo> xxd V1.10 27oct98 by Juergen Weigert
22:12:45 <oren> `` xxd -r -p <<<'f9b0b0b0b00a'
22:13:09 <oren> well that did not do what it does on my computer
22:13:50 <fizzie> My client just fell back to [U+00E2 LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX] [U+20AC EURO SIGN] [U+2039 SINGLE LEFT-POINTING ANGLE QUOTATION MARK] [U+00F9 LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH GRAVE] [U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN] [U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN] [U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN] [U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN] for it.
22:14:25 <fizzie> Actually, that's not a simple fallback (I was looking at the B0's), it's something more complicated.
22:14:43 <oren> `` xxd -r -p <<<'f90a'
22:15:33 <fizzie> Maybe it has something to do with HackEgo's output processing.
22:15:54 <fizzie> It's not quite a full pass-through, although I think it was reasonably "raw".
22:16:27 <oren> `` xxd -r -p <<<'C00a'
22:16:47 <oren> `` xxd -r -p <<<'ff0a'
22:17:13 <oren> `` xxd -r -p <<<'C2A00a'
22:17:18 <fizzie> Oh, of course: it's probably something related to the prefixing of the zero-width whitespace when the output starts with something that could be a command character.
22:17:19 <oren> `` xxd -r -p <<<'C2A50a'
22:17:39 <oren> ok so it does modern utf-8 correctly
22:18:11 <fizzie> It does those other things "correctly" too, I think; it's just that it puts in front a UTF-8 thing.
22:18:59 <oren> `` xxd -r -p <<<'D6A50a'
22:19:05 <oren> `` xxd -r -p <<<'D6650a'
22:19:20 <oren> `` xxd -r -p <<<'D6B50a'
22:20:16 <fizzie> The output is a bit confusing in my client, because if it sees something it doesn't like as UTF-8, it decodes the zero-width space too as ISO-8859-15. But I'd wager the actual bytes would be "all right".
22:20:32 <oren> Basically, if anything in the line doesn't parse as UTF-8 it does something else
22:21:17 <fizzie> No, I think it's your client doing that.
22:22:01 <oren> `` xxd -r -p <<<'D90a' >testend
22:22:14 <fizzie> In my raw(ish) logs, the last two HackEgo outputs are e2 80 8b d6 65 and e2 80 8b d6 b5, which is exactly what you asked for.
22:22:21 <fizzie> With the e2 80 8b prefix.
22:22:29 <fizzie> Uh, and not including that very newest one.
22:22:33 <oren> `` cat <<<'たとえばこのメセージ' >testbegin
22:22:53 <oren> `` cat testbegin
22:22:58 <oren> `` cat testbegin testend
22:24:14 <oren> ok never mind, it is my client, and my client is super dumb
22:24:38 <oren> `` cat testend testbegin
22:25:43 <oerjan> well we all have irssi in this conversation.
22:26:04 <fizzie> irssi's configurable, though.
22:26:07 <oerjan> and mine has recode_fallback = cp1252
22:26:36 <oerjan> which i was recommended when i configured it to do utf-8 properly
22:26:52 <fizzie> I used to have something more custom, when recode was an external script and not built in, but I have that now too.
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22:27:32 <oren> well i don't know what irssi does by default, but that;s what I have
22:32:07 <oren> `` xxd -r -p <<<'E080b1' >testend
22:32:11 <oren> `` xxd -r -p <<<'E080b1'
22:32:36 <oren> Hmm overlong encodings are out too? Awww....
22:34:03 <fizzie> I seem to recall that being arguably a security thing.
22:34:19 <fizzie> Although maybe it's kind of lame.
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22:34:59 <fizzie> Maybe it's really more about having raw comparisons etc. work.
22:35:08 <oren> Well that was supposed to be a 1 that unnacceptably took 3 bytes
22:35:49 <oren> raw comparisons don't even close to work in unicdoe anyway
22:36:42 <oren> but they would be closer to working if every codepoint had only one encoding
22:37:01 <Jafet> It would allow you to write arbitrarily large twitter messages
22:37:06 <fizzie> That's what the normalization forms are for.
22:38:09 <oren> Jafet: Does twitter really count characters?
22:38:40 <fizzie> Anyway, if x and y are canonical equivalents, then their NFC and NFD forms have the exact same representations; if they are compatibility equivalents, then the same applies to NFKC and NFKD.
22:39:53 <oren> ☺☻♥♦♣♠•◘○◙♂♀♪♫☼
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22:40:33 <fizzie> And anyway, every *codepoint* does have only one encoding, at least in all encoding schemes I know of.
22:40:43 <Jafet> I never found out what DF2 uses the musical notes for
22:41:06 <oren> Armor stands and cabinets
22:43:22 <oren> er, no. A cabinet is capital Pi
22:43:43 <oren> Apparently the single note is a ladle
22:45:15 <oren> Not that I have ever seen a ladle in DF
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23:21:30 <oren> Would the combined encoding be called UTF-8-CP-1252?
23:23:20 <oren> http://www.orenwatson.be/utf8guide.utf8
23:24:58 <oren> WTF-16: encode all code points with surrogates
23:28:01 <oren> WTF-64: encode all code points with surrogates, then encode the surrogates with surrogates, and so on until evey code point has 64 bits
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