< 1438042254 299083 :odor!~o@209.159.220.174 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438042357 87398 :odor!~o@209.159.220.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438042635 88082 :odor!~o@209.159.220.174 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438043881 640899 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438044714 477126 :hppavilion[1]_!~hppavilio@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438044788 804034 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438044832 109054 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me JOIN :#esoteric < 1438044984 538286 :hppavilion[1]_!~hppavilio@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1438045159 298081 :odor!~o@209.159.220.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438045184 288678 :hppavilion[1]_!~hppavilio@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438045272 611853 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438045307 434323 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you folk already seen google's intercal styleguide? < 1438045403 327665 :Wallacoloo!~colin@2601:602:8a00:78e3:e5d6:6944:3eaa:7b9d JOIN :#esoteric < 1438045442 377966 :hppavilion[1]_!~hppavilio@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438045652 444520 :hppavilion[1]_!~hppavilio@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438045761 358365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been mentioned < 1438045912 534990 :hppavilion[1]_!~hppavilio@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1438045920 425049 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit < 1438045979 298249 :hppavilion[1]_!~hppavilio@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438046029 187761 :hppavilion[1]_!~hppavilio@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438046060 298157 :hppavilion[1]_!~hppavilio@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438046238 274153 :hppavilion[1]_!~hppavilio@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438046238 381410 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1438046245 308693 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude < 1438046262 301043 :hppavilion[1]_!~hppavilio@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438046324 301553 :Wallacoloo!~colin@2601:602:8a00:78e3:e5d6:6944:3eaa:7b9d QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438046369 589036 :hppavilion[1]_!~hppavilio@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438046394 722555 :hppavilion[1]_!~hppavilio@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438046396 455999 :hppavilion[1]_!~hppavilio@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438046419 822475 :hppavilion[1]_!~hppavilio@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438046422 682225 :hppavilion[1]_!~hppavilio@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438046430 99254 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for the spam < 1438046435 545049 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just testing my IRC client < 1438046454 648720 :hppavilion[1]_!~hppavilio@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438046474 50259 :hppavilion[1]_!~hppavilio@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438046494 839461 :hppavilion[1]_!~hppavilio@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438046525 227642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better to test your IRC client outside of a channel full of people. < 1438046532 274333 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1438046533 442183 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1438046537 690209 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What channel should I use? < 1438046547 314466 :hppavilion[1]_!~hppavilio@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test < 1438046553 264931 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WORKS < 1438046562 386875 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it work for more than one word though? < 1438046573 887787 :hppavilion[1]_!~hppavilio@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super < 1438046581 318500 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT DOES NOT < 1438046597 223474 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT CLOSE ENOUGH :P < 1438046604 365418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should use any channel I'm not in. < 1438046613 913899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make your own if you like. < 1438046689 956596 :hppavilion[1]_!~hppavilio@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438046700 600792 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1438046796 336105 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray < 1438046802 489279 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works for outbound messages < 1438046812 94765 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I just need to parse and prettyprint inbound ones < 1438046916 288158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: are you forgetting the : before the message in a PRIVMSG? < 1438046937 236248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that might make it ignore all but the first word < 1438047244 705088 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1438047488 127393 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I immediately guessed that #test is used as a channel for testing things, and was also right. < 1438047564 468442 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to make a browser extentsion that opens a channel window for every hashtag you view on twitter. < 1438047579 634673 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438047633 963147 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hppavillion[1] had in fact started timing out before I even started talking. < 1438047690 582380 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438048326 595474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess he shall be forever doomed to speak in single-word messages, then. < 1438049355 833487 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric < 1438049784 303240 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1438050088 298940 :odour!~o@209.159.220.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438050111 299329 :odor!~o@209.159.220.174 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438050363 589817 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438051380 596297 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438052728 12100 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an old IRC client I wrote sitting around < 1438053324 405831 :henriqueleng!~henrique@187-5-246-165.paebv701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1438053360 156878 :henriqueleng!~henrique@177.4.225.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438053938 697028 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1438054012 917853 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-152-191.dhcp4.washington.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1438054259 845474 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438054304 914269 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like Toronto Hydro decided to turn my power back on < 1438054379 528116 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiots decided "oh lots of money for Pan-Am Games that noone cares about, no money for basic infrastructure like redundant power systems" < 1438054549 198544 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-152-191.dhcp4.washington.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :logical < 1438054849 507081 :henriqueleng!~henrique@177.4.225.174 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1438055666 877760 :odour!~o@209.159.220.174 QUIT :Quit: *wafts* < 1438055708 114214 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1438056308 5250 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1438056637 436914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nyte < 1438057375 891245 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-152-191.dhcp4.washington.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438057957 225362 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438057974 674833 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438058140 821303 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-173-250-190-94.dhcp4.washington.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1438058866 401879 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Itanium is a 64-bit EPIC architecture. EPIC stands for Explicitly Parallel Instruction Computing, a design in which work is offloaded from the processor to the compiler. For example, the compiler decides which operations can be safely performed in parallel and which memory fetches can be productively speculated. This relieves the processor from having to make these decisions on the fly, thereby allowing it to focus on the real work of < 1438058866 523264 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :processing. < 1438058866 577487 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1438058885 624479 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why shouldn't the CPU just trust the compiler to make that decision, instead of whatever magic it does now? < 1438058909 563789 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or a more expressive assembly < 1438059240 574590 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438059272 961501 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438059535 510686 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compilers already have too much work to do < 1438059689 305955 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of doing all this super smart memory caching, it would be better if they just added like 10 KB of registers for the compiler to work with. < 1438059848 224576 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that also fits into a compiler's current options < 1438060069 102906 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-173-250-190-94.dhcp4.washington.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438060111 66620 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-173-250-190-94.dhcp4.washington.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1438060227 229679 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@71-222-86-154.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438060250 89794 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: each instruction is 32 bits with an optional 64 bit address as argument. 12 bits are the opcode/addressing mode, 10 bits select a register, 10 bits select another register. < 1438060303 742409 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have 1024 64-bit registers. < 1438060590 242437 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have instructions to "page write" or "page read" 64 registers at a time to/from memory. < 1438060625 248156 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(these instructions can be pipelined with instructions that don't use that particular reigster page) < 1438060730 164068 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw it i'm tired < 1438061831 916019 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-173-250-190-94.dhcp4.washington.edu QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1438064180 786587 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438064507 383992 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-marinxhvqbgwjbgm QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1438064941 371764 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-iufhlyudzqfhksot JOIN :#esoteric < 1438066943 194889 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@ip-78-102-58-167.net.upcbroadband.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1438067809 140801 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang talk:Rules14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43603 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+488) 10Created Page < 1438067880 622016 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438068153 655569 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esoteric data structure14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43604 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+300) 10Created Page < 1438068207 568491 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438068290 201820 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Tangle bracket language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43605&oldid=43602 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+201) 10Responded to question < 1438068367 396645 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Tangle bracket language14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43606&oldid=43605 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+93) 10Signed < 1438068412 551978 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're very enthousiastic about esolangs, hppavilion[1]. < 1438068453 486191 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll notice that the last 2 edits were actually to talk pages < 1438068465 94169 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that the second one was just correcting a mistake on the first :P < 1438068477 154254 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, I am < 1438068540 296303 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :which esolang was your first introduction to the subject? < 1438068548 88189 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438068557 784075 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lolcode, actually < 1438068572 714540 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could never actually run it though :P < 1438068599 412592 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the few that has a wiki page to itselft. < 1438068614 790212 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :You tried making an interpreter for it? < 1438068641 404947 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1438068648 736191 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not great with parsers < 1438068661 105935 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only parser I've ever written was a Shunting-yard algorithm < 1438068689 316332 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is weird, because I'm an implementer :P < 1438068801 640225 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementing is a lot of fun. < 1438068817 295944 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Esoteric Operating System14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43607&oldid=43599 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+184) 10Signed < 1438068834 395725 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly implement my own languages < 1438068846 49870 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which aren't so much Esolangs as just Weirdlangs < 1438068891 133947 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you see as the difference between those teo? < 1438068995 812932 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRUE esolangs are made to be esoteric, and have more than just weird syntax < 1438069001 560674 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weirdlangs just look strange < 1438069020 15474 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lolcode isn't really a true esolang because it just uses strange keywords < 1438069026 656537 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't do anything different < 1438069050 7081 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside from the lulziness, it's just a crappy programming language < 1438069053 790011 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making it a Weirdlang < 1438069077 396285 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My language is also a Weirdlang because it doesn't do anything new, and it's just a normal language with strange syntax < 1438069083 996579 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print}Hello, World!}; < 1438069091 633387 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a hello wolrd (minus the import) < 1438069138 494431 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be an Esolang, you have to have something more than just strange syntax. You have to have confuddling semantics or novel structure < 1438069150 251854 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1438069157 133621 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Malbolge or Befunge, respectively < 1438069166 200925 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, this is all just my opinion :P < 1438069199 972407 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, most just group them all under esolangs, but they are different. < 1438069237 70491 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1438069253 116524 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weirdlangs look weird, esolangs are truly, well, esoteric < 1438069302 824965 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the example you just wrote though, it's an interesting Q of how you would write nested brackets. < 1438069359 519044 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which example? < 1438069365 466249 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Tangle Bracket Language? < 1438069381 577912 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hello world is from that? < 1438069397 750590 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1438069411 468244 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hello world is from WalScript 1.0 < 1438069424 88689 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, OO-WalScript and generic WalScript < 1438069432 765279 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it WalScript Alpha? < 1438069434 701902 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget < 1438069481 310087 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yours? < 1438069498 231127 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1438069509 147869 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brackets are actually used as delimeters in walscript < 1438069522 143484 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A While Loop, for example, looks like this: < 1438069529 603325 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :while}cond}; < 1438069537 503012 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric : dostuff}; < 1438069540 181837 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :endwhile}; < 1438069550 137662 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indentation ignored, of course < 1438069585 178251 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's while & endwhile that determines the scope. < 1438069606 112243 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There isn't scope xD < 1438069621 14185 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think it's actually a Tangle-Bracket language itself, at least in my implementation < 1438069658 517419 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, while and endwhile deterermine what gets looped, not the brackets < 1438069714 794959 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mind is full of javascript, so I see brackets I think scope. < 1438069761 520528 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1438069768 458660 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true for most languages < 1438069782 67170 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mine have to be at _least_ weirdlangs for me to make them < 1438069795 132486 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I create a "Weirdlang" page on the wiki? < 1438069867 862215 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Timesig14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43608 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+159) 10Created Page < 1438069947 636809 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think it a good idea. < 1438069971 198817 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1438069997 867798 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an article I remember reading on "Vocabulary-Oriented and Behavior-Oriented Esolangs" http://esoteric.codes/post/113253944074/vocabulary-oriented-and-behavior-oriented-esolangs < 1438070046 736365 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :might help with how to charecterize the difference. < 1438070177 816961 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What parts of languages are there? < 1438070193 30732 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's syntax, semantics, structure, anything else? < 1438070256 409573 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough to give a close answer to that. < 1438070263 850936 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:O14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43609 5* 03JayCampbell 5* (+98) 10kudos < 1438070282 256823 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :how data is stored. < 1438070323 388134 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki has a catergory page with stack, queues, cell... and so on. < 1438070418 940851 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Weirdlang14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43610 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+934) 10Created Page < 1438070464 803828 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data storage is still semantics, I believe < 1438070521 558671 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should make a language with no delimiters. < 1438070532 58070 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make whitespaces illegal < 1438070570 74655 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(a>b&&c>0){a+=bc--} < 1438070671 667831 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't () and {} delimetres? < 1438070681 225556 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat yes < 1438070725 179721 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get rid of {} by stating how many statements in the block are < 1438070725 922145 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1438070732 50938 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(a>b&&c>0)2a+=bc-- < 1438070741 281805 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which tells the parser that the next two statements belong to a block < 1438070786 972349 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1438071222 407981 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for that website :) < 1438071393 768839 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The least appropriately named esolang ever: BodyFuck < 1438071401 362550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go removes the () from constructions like those, because the cond is always one expression. < 1438071418 887104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still keeps the braces, though. < 1438071648 645665 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kewlzez < 1438072277 384490 :white_bear!~white_bea@AMontsouris-655-1-202-31.w92-151.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1438072414 468018 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONVERSATION NOT HAPPENNING < 1438072418 732553 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESOHULK MAD < 1438072592 859287 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah () is actually redundant < 1438072601 523246 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just parse one expression and you're fine :) < 1438073021 261983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall that in Go the braces are actually part of the syntax of the control structure, unlike in C, where the body can be any single statement, and the braces are part of the compound statement syntax. < 1438073052 598242 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438073229 319959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Related note: for consistency, C's function bodies should really do the same. int add1(int x) return x + 1; should be just fine. < 1438073588 177428 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think c++ allows the function body to be a try block, but not other statements < 1438074058 791214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old-style function definitions aren't perhaps all that friendly to the single-statement style. < 1438074185 548680 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Adrianton3 5* 10New user account < 1438074257 537777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other day I wrote a contrived example of a switch with a non-compound-statement body. < 1438074260 558512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :for (int i = 0, j = 0; i < 2; i++, j = 0) switch (i) do case 0: { putchar('a'); case 1: putchar('b'); } while (j++ < i); < 1438074271 7331 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43611&oldid=42953 5* 03Adrianton3 5* (+7) 10/* Updated a link in the external resources */ < 1438074298 420465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of like the "switch (i) do case 0:" part, it looks like code you'd expect from fungot. < 1438074298 665658 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they don't want people to search it for me. i should wake < 1438075926 563898 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438076174 588418 :x1365C!x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438076193 459056 :x16444!x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438076338 437 :x1365C!x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Client Quit < 1438076420 467681 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1438076448 681734 :x16444!x10A94@178.252.73.97 NICK :x10A94 < 1438077625 274081 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1438079204 582162 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Changing host < 1438079204 636406 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1438079368 444782 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438082166 138066 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1438082231 14806 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1438082516 269593 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SULTRY CHICKEN < 1438082638 725231 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1438082876 162879 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reminds me of Duff's device < 1438083428 912838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, quite. < 1438083548 204036 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1438083596 813546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general, you can replace if (x == 42) foo(); for an integral x by switch (x) case 42: foo(); < 1438083723 314376 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and you can replace while(x)stmt with for(;x;)stmt and it's not even any longer, so the while keyword is quite redundant < 1438083750 878895 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1438083783 141310 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: however, if statements are useful when the body contains a case label for an outer switch < 1438083801 909385 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in those cases you can't replace them with a switch so easily, though you can still replace them with a switch-goto in C < 1438083883 313682 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, replace if(cond)stmt with {switch(cond)case 0:goto skip;stmt skip:;} < 1438083925 517492 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that gets a bit ugly < 1438083961 220536 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, more importantly, you can't replace an if with just a plain switch-case if the body contains "break" statements < 1438083977 87091 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case too you can use switch-goto < 1438084162 162127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I agree that if statements where the body contains a case label for an enclosing switch are good to have. < 1438084185 235407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of like conditional fallthrough. < 1438084539 443858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was sort of thinking on a small language with syntax somewhat similar to C (pre-C99), but that has if() and for(;;) but doesn't have while or switch, and make it such that it can be parsed without knowing the keywords, so you can substitute whatever translated keywords you want (subject to tokenizing rules) and it will mean the same < 1438084604 508611 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can only have three actually different basic types though, eg. int, unsigned char, unsigned long int < 1438084621 636537 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1438084635 354478 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438084635 408824 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 QUIT :Changing host < 1438084635 408878 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1438084650 412811 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but three basic types should be enough. you can still declare pointers as unsigned char * because the non-letter punctuation is fixed < 1438084661 457931 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the alnum keywords are replacable < 1438084961 327339 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1438085407 163266 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could replace if with for as well < 1438085428 27762 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(;x;){/*do*/break;} < 1438085464 297454 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. probably not so practical due to the else < 1438085482 908510 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm. < 1438085486 936696 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove for and while < 1438085490 326913 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just use if&goto < 1438085508 300600 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-099-249.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1438085571 962216 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-099-249.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1438086054 82698 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1438086060 927595 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Client Quit < 1438086313 205911 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1438086338 1451 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1438087370 367934 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1438087394 784565 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1438087549 48829 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-90-93.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D < 1438088680 28175 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438088728 860689 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric < 1438089485 615089 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was a long lunch < 1438089774 467776 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438090495 48071 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1438090596 261732 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1438090662 597714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Did it start around http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-02-18#133928Taneb ? < 1438090683 734719 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, yes < 1438090731 479111 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a very long lunch < 1438090752 691326 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fwiw, "Late Post 'Not That Late'" is still my favourite ever headline) < 1438091629 647171 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: You don't need if, ?: will do < 1438091647 4455 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: And maybe you could have for loops where the syntax is just (;;) < 1438092433 338964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1438092792 494380 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Tangle bracket language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43612&oldid=43606 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+281) 10responded to comment < 1438092879 93962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Having only ?: and for (;;) for control constructs is really pretty awkward, because there's no way to do a conditional break (or goto) with only ?:. < 1438092909 551592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, you *could* get things done, but it wouldn't be very pleasant. < 1438092936 90215 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's true < 1438092959 424766 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could always change semantics a bit though < 1438092974 759558 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hmkvrzxffgowpewn JOIN :#esoteric < 1438093170 714372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course GCC would let you write for (;;) { ...; x ? ({ break; }) : 0; ... } or even void *cont = &&cont, *done = &&done; cont: for (;;) { ...; goto *(x ? done : cont); } done:; < 1438093239 959654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what pascal did < 1438093255 974716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one exit point per structure < 1438093276 233187 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, could you use recursion as a sneaky extra control structure? < 1438093301 112205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess if then else excepted < 1438093437 383804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes. You might have stack-related problems, though. < 1438093660 948763 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True... < 1438093781 42536 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also disallow functions . < 1438093785 501062 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use computed jumps, yes. < 1438093788 750969 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :goto and for < 1438093791 440898 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing else allowed :) < 1438093848 618487 :rottytooth!26609942@gateway/web/freenode/ip.38.96.153.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438093978 976087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The for sounds a bit superfluous at that point. < 1438094114 807213 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does C have computed gotos? < 1438094143 367657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, hu < 1438094144 824212 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you can't quite change semantics. The point is that it sohuld be like OC, in that it's self-hosting and the compiler is written in sort of the intersection of the language and C, so you can boostrap it with a C compiler then compile it with itself. < 1438094145 865448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :but GCC does. < 1438094164 610639 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can add extensions, sure, but they complicate writing the compiler. < 1438094168 159569 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think i can call a language 'c-like' if this is a syntax error? x += - y < 1438094202 532341 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I didn't say C-like language. I said language with C-like synatax. < 1438094214 209076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can still say the language has C-like syntax when x += - y is an error < 1438094226 951390 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oki thanks < 1438094314 656903 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait my parser is choking on x += -3 < 1438094323 144919 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a problem isn't it? < 1438094449 458184 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, depends on what the specs are < 1438094459 545221 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no specs yet < 1438094482 568130 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you trying to parse? < 1438094579 313559 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to write a language that's not esoteric so it's kind of off topic here < 1438095162 831681 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438095193 440196 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1438095210 244382 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think humanity lacks a special kind of martial arts. < 1438095213 672256 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fighting in space < 1438095216 996068 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with zero gravity. < 1438095226 869518 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't know how to fight in zero gravity! < 1438095233 120827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C-family_programming_languages v g < 1438095247 813456 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, we don't know how to do a lot of things in zero gravity < 1438095261 585956 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but fighting seems to be socially important. < 1438095302 493740 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, it'll be a long time before zero gravity sees belligerent antagonists in close proximity < 1438095314 426136 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you move in space without holding on to something? < 1438095317 627004 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially without a mediating force < 1438095321 652580 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like with a swimming movement? < 1438095329 522534 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so??? < 1438095332 376708 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is air < 1438095353 247911 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise not? < 1438095367 251640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall hearing about that, plus that it's very inefficient. < 1438095377 784145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: You could spit to the other direction. < 1438095392 415128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or throw articles of clothing. < 1438095398 239595 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparentely viscosity of air isn't that good for moving < 1438095423 643791 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could swim, but it'd be horribly slow and inefficient. < 1438095423 889663 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're also going to have a hell of a time controlling your attitude < 1438095443 126027 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also without friction holding you < 1438095446 230206 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you punch a guy in the face < 1438095449 961105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the airy case, you might want some sort of wings, like they have flippers for water. < 1438095450 696692 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'de be propelled backwards? < 1438095462 750851 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like underwater rugby < 1438095467 20378 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, if you're attempting to fight someone in space, there's already an attitude problem somewhere < 1438095467 780795 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1438095495 546534 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a grappling style is probably more suited for space fights < 1438095502 386972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, i mean you could just get your own little propellor jetpack < 1438095517 165517 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus: you can fight people by doing the superman punch < 1438095531 696242 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah if you have something to "jump off" from < 1438095540 860075 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do matrix style fighting < 1438095542 238661 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :solta < 1438095545 441012 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sorta < 1438095574 837511 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1438095578 741598 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we build a huge enough thing < 1438095578 947830 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo we should wait 3 years until the messiah chris roberts releases his space fps and answers all our questions < 1438095585 64495 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing has so much gravity it will suck light towards it < 1438095591 32837 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could build a supermassive camera < 1438095594 625528 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that captures light < 1438095603 273177 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :by actually capturing it < 1438095607 23584 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh i remember a similar idea to that < 1438095616 100653 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :involving using the sun as a gravitational lens < 1438095680 927417 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean constructing artificial gravitational lens to take pictures of things that would be hidden behind something? < 1438095691 364348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm now imagine flippers larger than the person < 1438095691 418561 :_256Q!~toastyten@5.80.42.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438095691 570441 :_256Q!~toastyten@5.80.42.248 QUIT :Changing host < 1438095691 624598 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438095694 897135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*imagining < 1438095717 345083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean using the sun as a lens to gather more light from a distant object < 1438095729 55791 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. List of sports that would not be fun in zero gravity < 1438095735 119814 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia so needs this < 1438095754 278506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that be as-is, or with some modification? < 1438095754 623985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, for the attitude, might a shark-like fin help < 1438095756 474891 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :- all sports < 1438095762 191569 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: minor modifications are allowed < 1438095764 75420 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like baseball < 1438095767 308330 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have a rope < 1438095773 225963 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I don't think darts would be very fun < 1438095775 994773 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people can pull them selves using the rope around the bases < 1438095780 935693 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*themselves < 1438095783 435424 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, it'd probably be more fun than darts is normally < 1438095787 448267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see zero-gravity cycling with no modification or extra help. < 1438095814 101982 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could strap a propellor to a bike < 1438095814 963723 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you sit on it? < 1438095823 448101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some people who essentially made a submarine that way < 1438095825 856801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just people furiously pedaling and floating uncontrolledly. < 1438095826 426660 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wouldn't need to midify the rules to allow some changes to the bikes. < 1438095830 554896 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, staying sat on it is the hard part < 1438095847 758667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: They've got shoes that lock onto the pedals. < 1438095853 238700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still waiting for that picture of a black hole that was promised the other year < 1438095866 436764 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could keep the bike on a metal surface by having magnetic wheels. < 1438095876 425259 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, are you sure you weren't just reading promotional material for interstellar < 1438095928 428399 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a black hole is lit form the back, you would bee able to see where the light isn't able to reach you due to the hole. < 1438095957 701968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it wasn't promotion but a blog < 1438095968 901948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean we know pretty well what we expect black holes to look like by now < 1438095993 496709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/07/21/were-going-to-see-a-black-hole/ < 1438096002 504990 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :weight lifting would probably be pretty useless in space? < 1438096033 711251 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need some sort of bungee cord < 1438096070 46232 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the iss has a gymn on it already right < 1438096078 752555 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually the people on long space stays will have to do a lot of exercise on board to not loose to much muscle mass. < 1438096081 380 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, here, to tide you over http://sirxemic.github.io/Interstellar/ < 1438096098 413684 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I thought they had something like that < 1438096099 511525 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, I think that is generally more cardio stuff < 1438096110 957699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard about interstellar < 1438096111 126035 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise they probably couldn't even walk anymore when they come back after a few months? < 1438096135 545995 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :muscles vanish pretty quickly < 1438096144 920935 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's cardio as much as keeping muscle tone < 1438096166 844668 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :three months in a cast and you're thigh are almost gone < 1438096172 164861 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1438096194 984836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes but this is a live raytracer < 1438096232 720016 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I thought it's about keeping muscles. < 1438096240 883732 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you are right < 1438096313 721446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it took too long, i closed it < 1438096323 812816 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's p taxing < 1438096354 533855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :though now that i've dusted this computer it runs surprisingly smoothly < 1438096451 483735 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1438096457 560604 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a nicolas cage move I haven't seen < 1438096459 510268 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*movie < 1438096736 763239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got the moooovies like cage < 1438096785 500045 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1438096793 33757 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's better than all sharknado movies together < 1438096795 830327 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1438098063 766936 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438098697 92333 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1438099573 27564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1438099952 651290 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1438100071 317467 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1438100884 967614 :white_bear!~white_bea@AMontsouris-655-1-202-31.w92-151.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1438101976 324021 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1438102692 775513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1438102926 92889 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBS < 1438103183 105237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have installed the threaded Apache MPM, but now it says the package for PHP is not threadsafe (I have some PHP files that I will need to be able to run) < 1438103337 821983 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1438104269 514856 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1438105432 238547 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-76-1.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1438105956 593911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438106591 544021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up with this edit?: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=LOLCODE&diff=43600&oldid=42122 < 1438106658 207920 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang talk:Rules14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43613&oldid=43603 5* 03Ais523 5* (+158) 10[[Esolang:Policy]] < 1438106719 399612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1438106737 840937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: whoa, "?:" < 1438106743 768114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :innovative punctuation < 1438106748 922078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try using that. < 1438106793 294192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it < 1438106803 926713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's also an operator in GNU C) < 1438106830 581747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The previous revision had a duplicate entry. < 1438106836 905868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=LOLCODE&oldid=42122 < 1438106848 310353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good < 1438106851 535676 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, an operator of GNU C that I tend to use often < 1438106867 628595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually never used it < 1438106879 359391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I use the Perl equivalents, || and //, quite a lot < 1438107222 47982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1438107413 271521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438107707 289078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438108904 267041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438109049 174874 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBS < 1438109701 741692 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1438109837 502288 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :thesis submitted! < 1438110103 233045 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what? great! < 1438110112 206860 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of thesis? < 1438110456 993742 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :master's < 1438110538 523503 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-76-1.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438110662 390466 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :fist < 1438110673 969020 :fist!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1438110842 630503 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you produce a regex that matches c style strings? < 1438110862 328960 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1438110866 507678 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, what is your thesis about? < 1438110871 77061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(\\.|[^\\"])+" < 1438110885 652377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a Perl regex < 1438110886 513750 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1438110888 567124 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1438110894 403656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1438110900 724662 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :because "\"" < 1438110910 948567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I meant +, not * < 1438110912 539866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that matches < 1438110920 799189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\. matches \" < 1438110928 165588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the double quotes match themselves literally < 1438110930 264095 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\\\"" < 1438110943 436479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\. matches \\, then \\. matches \" < 1438110958 115667 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: graph structure theory and logic < 1438110984 180575 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1438110998 953554 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you so much ais523 < 1438111029 757398 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying with "(.*[^\\]|)(\\\\)*" but it got too complex < 1438111154 540525 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sorry for being stupid < 1438111466 848861 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: almost, but no. that matches a newline between double quotes, which is not a valid string literal. < 1438111471 373186 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humans do not need to excuse themselves for Stupidity. It resembles an evil inheritable Disease. < 1438111593 333117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ah yes < 1438111602 393207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(\\.|[^\\"\n])+" < 1438111612 193188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are formfeeds legal inside C literals? might need to ban those too < 1438111727 932759 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1438112062 79801 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang talk:Rules14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43614&oldid=43613 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+68) 10Requested link < 1438112070 73215 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then of course there's the problem that "\k" isn't a valid string literal either < 1438112073 350085 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1438112184 641741 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang talk:Policy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43615&oldid=30569 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+343) 10/* Expand article scope */ new section < 1438112355 57150 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Policy14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43616&oldid=30638 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+78) 10Clarified where articles can go. (That is, specified that only pages in the _main_ namespace have to be on Esolangs, as I'm pretty sure user namepace pages are generally users) < 1438112384 621600 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438112400 43694 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, I didn't change the meaning of the page, I just made it more clear < 1438112573 716502 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Tangle bracket language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43617&oldid=43612 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+276) 10Answered a question. < 1438112592 393692 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Tangle bracket language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43618&oldid=43617 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+92) 10Signed < 1438112729 52140 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Tangle bracket language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43619&oldid=43618 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+229) 10Clarified my answer < 1438112731 851489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that changes the meaning. < 1438112740 921800 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it? < 1438112746 409597 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hmkvrzxffgowpewn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1438112751 525910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also less clear, but that might just be due to lack of proofreading. < 1438112776 484951 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What I meant to say was that the "Esolangs only as articles" rule only applied in the _main_ namespace < 1438112807 247802 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no one will get upset from confusion when they first encounter a User: page < 1438112817 226907 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry if I was unclear < 1438112825 485799 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I revert it? < 1438112909 535030 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might speak my own dialect of english that _no one else understands_ :P' < 1438112922 299327 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to go shower < 1438112942 768177 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to revert it or try to make my unclarity clear, please do < 1438113408 595743 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I timed out yet? < 1438113409 977329 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1438113497 65889 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Policy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43620&oldid=43616 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-78) 10Undo revision 43616 by Self (I was told it actually made it less clear and changed the meaning) < 1438113723 769706 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: There, that better? < 1438114171 741561 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Folder14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43621&oldid=43052 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+524) 10Proved Folder TC < 1438114415 885838 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've thought of a cryptographic problem. < 1438114453 109194 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are m people. How can they randomly select n people from themselves, such that each of the people selected knows exactly who has been selected, but each of the people not selected only knows that ey has not been selected? < 1438114489 945744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that all communication is public? < 1438114508 405885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without that it's easy < 1438114515 665665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, are we assuming that all these people are honest? < 1438114527 938919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to tell xterm to erase a picture from a specified area in the screen? < 1438114550 867143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, given the existence of private-key crypto < 1438114573 264392 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not necessarily honest, but if they have all acted honestly, it must be possible for them to prove, after the fact, that they have acted honestly. < 1438114576 753089 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION taps his microphone. < 1438114627 210708 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, given the existence of private-key crypto, I don't think it matters whether all communication is public or not. < 1438114645 717162 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that if all communication is public, then it's possible for a person to prove that they haven't communicated anything at all. < 1438114729 445791 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and it's fine if it's possible for a person to ruin everything by not being honest—but if somebody does that, it will be impossible for em to prove after the fact that ey has acted honestly. < 1438114750 184773 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you say 'randomly'... < 1438114753 1960 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so everyone will assume that ey has *not* acted honestly, and force em to walk the plank. < 1438114759 974927 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uniform distribution. < 1438114770 21093 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :99999999999999999999999999999 bottles of beer on the wall < 1438114774 545658 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :99999999999999999999999999999 bottles of beer! < 1438114780 18549 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take one down, pass it around < 1438114781 826347 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a public source of random information handy; anyone can invoke it, and when they do, everyone sees the result. < 1438114784 401621 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], please don't < 1438114790 141801 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :99999999999999999999999999998 bottles of beer on the wall! < 1438114794 760626 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm done :P < 1438114818 113934 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1438114828 138214 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If everyone has a number assigned to them... that won't work < 1438114864 681760 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could come up with one key pair corresponding to every possible selection of people. < 1438114873 562111 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reveal the public key, and give the private key to each of the people in the selection. < 1438114896 906381 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, somehow, encrypt a message using a randomly chosen public key, without letting anyone know which public key was selected. < 1438114901 156980 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably that's part of it at least < 1438114908 489246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i can randomly pick the first person i think i can do the rest < 1438114922 412793 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the caveat that probably everyone has to draw a random number at once < 1438114951 66843 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait everyone's playing along right, there's no competitive/betrayal element is there < 1438114975 386691 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, here are the properties the protocol must follow. < 1438114988 190075 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If no one is trying to break the system, then it isn't a very good cryptography problem :P < 1438114997 811978 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang on the public random number thing is fairly pointless < 1438115007 615152 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If everyone behaves correctly, then the protocol must work properly, and after everything is finished, it must be possible for everyone to prove that they have behaved correctly. < 1438115032 736685 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone behaves incorrectly, then the protocol need not work properly, but it must *not* be possible for that person to ever prove that ey has behaved correctly. < 1438115049 604914 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's the use of this problem? < 1438115059 817011 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some situation in the world in which this would be useful? < 1438115066 684910 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Playing a game of "The Rebellion" when nobody trusts anybody. < 1438115067 160671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: there's this parlour game called Werewolf < 1438115073 629073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: The part that made it less clear was "them" instead of "the". < 1438115075 803865 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Werewolf/Mafia. < 1438115082 166621 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck don't remind me < 1438115088 398846 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1438115090 288194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i played that on holiday with someone very annoying < 1438115097 54685 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mafia < 1438115100 804469 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that game < 1438115119 739947 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what would the practical uses for this be though? < 1438115138 758139 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if we can randomly, privately pick one person it becomes pretty simple, they just pick another n-1 people at random < 1438115144 253625 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1438115153 36238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the problem reduces to just that < 1438115176 443950 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well for that < 1438115190 565797 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give everyone a public key and a private key < 1438115204 115970 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1438115207 100261 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Encrypt the message "You have been selected" with one random person's public key < 1438115214 313859 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And give the message to everybody < 1438115216 997390 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1438115218 214681 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but who does that encryption < 1438115226 393443 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have to select from themselves, right :/ < 1438115245 542289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't count on the people being honest < 1438115250 879560 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, given a collection of public keys, is it possible to encypt a message using a randomly chosen one of those keys, without letting anyone know which key it was? < 1438115255 949892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that the person making the selection will be able to decrypt any message directed at them < 1438115271 254174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1438115274 897168 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well have the pubic keys < 1438115280 391230 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANT TO ANSWER FIRST < 1438115283 697867 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All in a hat < 1438115285 465911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you do is you get one person to encrypt everyone's public key with their own private key < 1438115297 89082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, no < 1438115304 638625 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without names on it < 1438115310 424390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work because if you produced a message yourself, you can decrypt it even without the key < 1438115325 346884 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So everybody has a private key and a less private key < 1438115334 497153 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one knows who either belongs to < 1438115349 781790 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the private key can decrypt messages written with the less private key < 1438115363 59287 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone draws a less-private key from a hat and doesn't know who it belongs to < 1438115370 486940 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: how expensive can you allow it to be? if there's only a few public keys, you can encrypt the message with one of the keys and encrypt dummy empty messages of the same size with the other keys. < 1438115370 590570 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And encrypts the message with it < 1438115381 12434 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sends the message to everybody < 1438115394 139935 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: the person who has the private keys will of course be able to tell. < 1438115422 403196 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does my solution sound? < 1438115431 686425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you get the anonymous public keys though < 1438115438 542743 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the major, glaring problem with it < 1438115451 220793 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I assume you just don't tell anybody your private-ish key < 1438115457 415486 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: so by "less private key", it sounds like you essentially mean "public key, except it's not necessarily revealed to everyone". Right? < 1438115458 856977 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you put it in a random sorter anonymously < 1438115462 531598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hang on it could work actually yeah < 1438115463 89568 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly < 1438115471 551603 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :every-- no ok right < 1438115472 126056 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1438115485 764855 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I actually solve a problem? < 1438115489 522578 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can't be right... < 1438115492 665426 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :right so this is the method being considered < 1438115495 727424 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. < 1438115507 256205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have the Private Key which nobody knows < 1438115524 96599 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as a bonus, I don't think anybody but the encrypter can break the system < 1438115536 719391 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the public key of it is then published, you put the private key into a hat with m-1 blank slips < 1438115539 473773 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barring brute force attacks, of vourse < 1438115548 520384 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :then everyone draws a slip and whoever gets the key is the handler, all fine < 1438115549 870513 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does the "putting in a hat" work? If everyone has a message, then how does everyone publish the message in such a way that nobody knows who sent which message? < 1438115558 460587 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but where do you get the Private Key from? < 1438115559 821684 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1438115582 850588 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, nvm < 1438115592 837073 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I think there might be an optimized version of my method. < 1438115609 611558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait for fuck's sake if you can draw from a hat you don't need keys at all, you just need a marked slip < 1438115642 442070 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone publishes eir own public key. Someone takes a message and randomly encrypts it with each public key in succession... wait, this is going to require anonymous sending. < 1438115660 662675 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :doable < 1438115670 997723 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :agree that everyone publishes a message every 5 minutes < 1438115722 878191 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we want to do "anonymous sending"—someone publishes a message in such a way that nobody knows who published it. < 1438115744 513652 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If everyone publishes a message every five minutes, then how does the message get anonymized? < 1438115751 641496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's much harder < 1438115764 198427 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant sending messages such that nobody but the communicants know about it < 1438115773 478297 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bSqEn8FtRh7iM8KYvOK8_DW03xAwjvAK0pIrR2RkO8U/edit?usp=sharing < 1438115784 125501 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This anonymous sending isn't necessarily needed, though. < 1438115788 34708 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There < 1438115800 390426 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll make it easier to figure out what's going on < 1438115906 219719 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have an idea. < 1438115918 537484 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we come up with a public key corresponding to every possible selection. < 1438115932 549254 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone knows which selection corresponds to which public key. < 1438115944 584335 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, come to think of it, this doesn't quite work, but I'll continue anyway. < 1438115978 112514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :again the problem reduces to the case where you need to pick one person from a group of m < 1438116007 717326 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A designated person selects a random public key, in such a way that ey can later prove that it was actually selected randomly. < 1438116019 67897 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The designated person then simply publishes a message encrypted using that public key. < 1438116036 44360 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi NICK :atehwa < 1438116038 25409 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, come to think of it, this isn't anything new. < 1438116062 359492 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This problem breaks when n=m-1 < 1438116075 801158 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming that the participants know the value of n < 1438116076 639103 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTG < 1438116090 949810 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adios. < 1438116137 188549 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, er, wouldn't the designated person know who got selected then? < 1438116145 143819 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes. < 1438116156 300311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a problem < 1438116157 372268 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, so "encrypt something with a randomly chosen key" is a sufficient, uh, tool. < 1438116208 84261 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, I think "draw a message out of a hat and burn the other messages" may also be sufficient. < 1438116241 348809 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have that, then each person can randomly choose a public key which contains em, encrypt something using that key, and put it into the hat. < 1438116269 705356 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, ey will have to be able to prove later that ey really selected it randomly. < 1438116302 300431 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I don't think that's necessary. < 1438116317 259057 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each person can simply encrypt something using *every* public key which contains em. < 1438116324 485341 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then submit all of these into the hat. < 1438116338 557514 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then pick a random encrypted message out of the hat. Boom. < 1438116415 203579 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1438116415 868533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're allowed a hat it's trivial < 1438116430 80746 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do participants know the value of n? < 1438116450 105789 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They probably must, given that one of them does the selecting < 1438116459 972873 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have to < 1438116463 327012 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the selector has to know how many to choose < 1438116474 363082 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you have an anonymous handler you can do that stuff easily < 1438116495 668952 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how does the handler know how many keys to choose? < 1438116513 320618 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All participants know both m and n. < 1438116515 59335 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :have everyone publish a public key at the start, pick the handler < 1438116517 451633 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they don't know hte value of n < 1438116518 460213 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1438116528 57461 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So then if n=m-1, then this is impossible < 1438116533 451048 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1438116533 865211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the handler then proceeds according to some algorithm with their private key as input < 1438116537 483147 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1438116548 395268 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], just exclude that case, it works fine for n=m-2 < 1438116550 634415 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lone unselected person knows nothing besides the fact that the selected people are the people other than emself. < 1438116554 53013 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go < 1438116560 633579 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1438116572 806161 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he isn't supposed to know who was selected < 1438116577 959575 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right? < 1438116580 592244 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to leave again < 1438116583 563511 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be back in a bit < 1438116594 709252 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :He isn't supposed to have any information besides the information that's supposed to be explicitly revealed to him. < 1438116597 922205 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sure enough, he doesn't. < 1438116652 483283 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just so happens that when n = m - 1, the information of who the selected people are *is* effectively explicitly revealed to him. < 1438116749 367493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so once again, how do you pick one person within the mentioned constraints < 1438116837 665550 :hppavilion[1]!423ae75d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.58.231.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438117223 144744 :x10A94!x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438117700 297021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1438118018 599250 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438118027 36840 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did you guys solve the problem? < 1438118103 775707 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett? < 1438118313 172527 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1438118384 983676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO PROBLEM HERE < 1438118391 973515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION returns to the logs < 1438118409 356296 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1438118420 794867 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You on? < 1438118431 897974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1438118486 638936 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you guys figure out the solution to the problem? < 1438118535 898265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I lost interest < 1438118537 398605 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, fix problem plx < 1438118539 135536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a while back < 1438118547 109237 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1438118552 848464 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, we got it down to something a lot simpler by the end < 1438118563 818234 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you happen to know of any online database of problems like that I could read? < 1438118571 792485 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Rules14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43622 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+28) 10Since someone expected it here, make a redirect < 1438118584 941056 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great < 1438118878 661549 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Help14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43623&oldid=37152 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10/* Article names with forbidden characters */ I think this should be in code format < 1438119290 254039 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the problem seems to come down to hat-picking. < 1438119499 978997 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1438119509 545533 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1438119543 657225 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438119603 685988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily < 1438119697 192962 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonjørjan! < 1438119725 835619 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1438119825 790501 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-103-201.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1438120853 241405 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1438121808 811354 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1438122141 409020 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1438122157 55516 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1438122188 484930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: What I meant to say was that the "Esolangs only as articles" rule only applied in the _main_ namespace <-- i am not sure that is true in either direction... < 1438122235 97592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : i like bugs. i like bugs! i like bugs. i like bugs. <-- i think i like bugs too! < 1438122237 189037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, there are other things than esolangs allowed in the main space, and there are probably also things so off topic that we'd look sternly at someone filling their user pages with them < 1438122261 909751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(especially if they made a lot of pages) < 1438122300 341020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WP:NOT#WEBHOST < 1438122300 881014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we already allow general CS stuff as long as its useful for esolanging < 1438122326 970956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it's < 1438122349 869387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what we don't allow, because it'd get the site all out of focus, is non-esoteric _languages_ < 1438122396 355205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about non-language esoterica? < 1438122398 288732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, everything i've said here probably has at least one exception on the wiki already.) < 1438122439 624325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the boundaries exist but are _very_ vague, i think < 1438122497 526017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: How did your lens talk go? < 1438122508 968 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, seeing as it's tomorrow < 1438122524 587064 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we'll find out < 1438122527 720651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: just make sure to keep it focused hth < 1438122529 249823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you really expect me to keep track of things down to the last day < 1438122639 535560 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, yes < 1438122646 204921 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a wall calendar hth < 1438122682 981125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if i had a wallendar i probably wouldn't think to put your talk on it < 1438122692 715977 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get multiple wall calenders hth < 1438122701 77336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1438122706 357436 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :treederwright is online right now < 1438122719 73401 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, do I know who that is < 1438122741 569201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote matrix of solidity < 1438122753 634588 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :240) enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1438122759 378090 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1438122762 788766 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how they are doing < 1438122805 524279 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately he is away < 1438122824 383828 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1438122824 438181 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1438122977 347544 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia, hppavellon[1]. < 1438122987 90511 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1438123083 948391 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should updfate the wisdom... < 1438123111 516722 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi boily < 1438123250 305696 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: man, quake chat has been great today < 1438123258 63358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's normally pretty good < 1438123272 48882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, there hasn't been much need for mod actions to keep it good < 1438123275 749816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is unusual < 1438123282 551202 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it normally is, yeah, but it's been even better than usual imo < 1438123287 778453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1438123307 292675 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1438123311 50900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many unrelated IRC channels do we share right now? < 1438123320 189867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least three < 1438123328 133493 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack, esoteric, nomic, gdq < 1438123331 834122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is quake chat what it sounds like? < 1438123333 636729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :four, I forgot ##nomic < 1438123338 601619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no < 1438123342 859213 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in three with boily < 1438123347 772908 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what does it sound like? < 1438123382 281462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i'm in a channel with anyone < 1438123385 209821 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does #nethack4 count as unrelated to #esoteric ? < 1438123390 25881 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1438123391 885716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, despite the overlap < 1438123393 401491 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not unrelated to #nethack < 1438123394 761959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in users < 1438123403 152395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no real reason why the subjects should be connected < 1438123403 250633 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that mysterious fucker `vsomething < 1438123413 510451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there's a big ##nomic/#esoteric overlap too < 1438123417 975281 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that still unsettles me < 1438123423 945689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be in #nethack. < 1438123424 65 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ah, you're just going by name. like the... ok, never mind < 1438123441 737662 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, by subject matter < 1438123459 252378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. I consider #tasvideos and #hourglass to be connected < 1438123462 70174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the names are unrelated < 1438123473 842105 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I share four chännels with shachaf. < 1438123487 956961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :diareses don't work like that < 1438123493 528559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's more like two chаnnels. < 1438123496 361532 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I share 5 with shachaf, hah < 1438123504 820860 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But three sets of channels, I guess < 1438123529 18719 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you stalkers :-) < 1438123530 359827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog `v < 1438123532 811287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Taneb isn't in one part of that channel. < 1438123538 567260 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :does pastlog still work < 1438123546 857247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hasn't worked for a long time. < 1438123550 502131 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I don't think HackEgo has access to the logs < 1438123554 307639 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ofc, that thing < 1438123560 846482 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/pastlog: 2: cd: can't cd to /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ ls: cannot access ????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory < 1438123571 224290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone remember who 'that `v fucker' was, i can't find them in the logs < 1438123590 462883 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! it was ^v < 1438123612 814198 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`^_^v i think < 1438123613 399730 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ^_^v: not found < 1438123615 772843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the same as |f`-`|f ? < 1438123622 376372 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck i misremembered that < 1438123644 939209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just the same style of annoying nick? < 1438123697 528048 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, different person < 1438123742 953051 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Magicard!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43624&oldid=38024 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-28) 10knuth pronunciation is standard right? < 1438123770 897184 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the only other channel i'm consistently in is in another network, has maybe 30 people in it and is about a mod for an ancient game with no connection whatsoever to esolangs < 1438123780 487680 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and `^_^v was in both < 1438123814 258051 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :never said a word there or here except when i asked if they were the same person < 1438123817 969272 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. suspicious < 1438123902 232809 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`^_^v. suspicious. < 1438123902 688059 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ^_^v.: not found < 1438123927 989744 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ^_^v < 1438123929 968539 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​^_^v? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1438124005 297059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't notice ^v had disappeared < 1438124080 281449 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many disappeared peoples... Bike, elliott, Fiora, oklopol, itidus[n | n <- [19..21]]... < 1438124096 794792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the only thing i'm getting out of your crypto problem is the vague feeling you're all thinking _far_ too approximately to trust what you came up with. < 1438124168 111595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol came by "incognito" a while gao < 1438124182 462014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ago < 1438124209 41891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect the elliott that is currently online is someone else < 1438124230 847813 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1438124246 983919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not identified < 1438124287 649953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks about right < 1438124316 306674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora is online, and i saw Bike not too long ago < 1438124335 579145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea about itidus < 1438124394 550006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitia hasn't been around in a while. < 1438124480 98005 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitia? < 1438124487 451587 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1438124522 426588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You figured that out more quickly than I did. < 1438124535 348643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've used /ns info a lot in the last ten minutes < 1438124577 588417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1438124582 452355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb registered nitia? < 1438124592 768649 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently < 1438124667 976008 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20141017071618-3815022-secure-programming-ada-vs-rust < 1438124673 757055 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My eyes, my eyes! < 1438124808 30954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn otiose < 1438124809 603462 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "otiose" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1438124809 706205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :otiose < 1438124809 760497 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : adj 1: serving no useful purpose; having no excuse for being; < 1438124809 760547 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "otiose lines in a play"; "advice is wasted words"; "a < 1438124809 760577 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : pointless remark"; "a life essentially purposeless"; < 1438124811 607007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :[12 @more lines] < 1438124844 594323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is otiose a homological word < 1438124867 425148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I guess I learned a word today < 1438124871 239979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more < 1438124871 340545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "senseless violence" [syn: {otiose}, {pointless}, < 1438124871 483088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : {purposeless}, {senseless}, {superfluous}, {wasted}] < 1438124871 537385 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2: producing no result or effect; "a futile effort"; "the < 1438124871 537451 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : therapy was ineffectual"; "an otiose undertaking"; "an < 1438124871 537512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : unavailing attempt" [syn: {futile}, {ineffectual}, {otiose}, < 1438124873 462135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :[7 @more lines] < 1438124882 146533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1438124909 30382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so something is otiose, either if it doesn't have a useful end goal, or if it does but fails to get anywhere near it or anywhere else < 1438124937 336477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ct2015.web.ua.pt/talks.html < 1438124994 603739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :me in a nutshell there < 1438125026 97206 :Herbalist!~oz@185.99.220.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1438125026 402993 :Herbalist!~oz@185.99.220.4 QUIT :Changing host < 1438125026 457147 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1438125050 721423 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist PART :#esoteric < 1438125090 921490 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Magicard!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43625&oldid=43624 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+7) 10bug fix < 1438125625 102178 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Magicard!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43626&oldid=43625 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+78) 10bug fix < 1438125659 137012 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Magicard!14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43627&oldid=43626 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+4) 10/* Examples */ < 1438125678 546711 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Magicard!14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43628&oldid=43627 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-4) 10/* Examples */ < 1438125915 999758 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Magicard!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43629&oldid=43628 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+5) 10deck size reqs < 1438126115 620716 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good ebeningu < 1438126160 349550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the mouse pointer be changed in xterm when the program is set to receive mouse events? < 1438126182 961839 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :コレンばんは! < 1438126183 421841 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Magicard!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43630&oldid=43629 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+143) 10handle edge case < 1438126331 512145 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1438126794 88619 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a Declarative Stack-Based language < 1438126811 583480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh am i supposed to get GT to translate japanese portmanteaus now < 1438126842 454838 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what? < 1438126856 338583 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be AWESOME by the way < 1438127068 509315 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1438127169 958776 :_256Q!~toastyten@unaffiliated/256q/x-9307863 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1438127265 733954 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I admit japormantese may be a little be far fetched... < 1438127376 35201 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Abstract machine14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43631 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+195) 10Created page < 1438127578 826582 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Abstract machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43632&oldid=43631 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+582) 10Added a section on turing machines (other people are free to add more < 1438127660 379487 :hppavilion[1]!3ff12880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.241.40.128 QUIT :Quit: Page closed