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EPIC stands for Explicitly Parallel Instruction Computing, a design in which work is offloaded from the processor to the compiler. For example, the compiler decides which operations can be safely performed in parallel and which memory fetches can be productively speculated. This relieves the processor from having to make these decisions on the fly, thereby allowing it to focus on the real work of 04:47:46 processing. 04:47:46 " 04:48:05 Why shouldn't the CPU just trust the compiler to make that decision, instead of whatever magic it does now? 04:48:29 And/or a more expressive assembly 04:54:00 -!- tromp has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:54:32 -!- tromp has joined. 04:58:55 compilers already have too much work to do 05:01:29 Instead of doing all this super smart memory caching, it would be better if they just added like 10 KB of registers for the compiler to work with. 05:04:08 that also fits into a compiler's current options 05:07:49 -!- Wallacoloo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:08:31 -!- Wallacoloo has joined. 05:10:27 -!- ent0nces has joined. 05:10:50 idea: each instruction is 32 bits with an optional 64 bit address as argument. 12 bits are the opcode/addressing mode, 10 bits select a register, 10 bits select another register. 05:11:43 you have 1024 64-bit registers. 05:16:30 then you have instructions to "page write" or "page read" 64 registers at a time to/from memory. 05:17:05 (these instructions can be pipelined with instructions that don't use that particular reigster page) 05:18:50 screw it i'm tired 05:37:11 -!- Wallacoloo has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 06:16:20 -!- Wright has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 06:21:47 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 06:29:01 -!- heroux has joined. 07:02:23 -!- Frooxius has quit (Quit: *bubbles away*). 07:16:49 [wiki] [[Esolang talk:Rules]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43603 * Hppavilion1 * (+488) Created Page 07:18:00 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 07:22:33 [wiki] [[Esoteric data structure]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43604 * Hppavilion1 * (+300) Created Page 07:23:27 -!- GoToTell has joined. 07:24:50 [wiki] [[Talk:Tangle bracket language]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43605&oldid=43602 * Hppavilion1 * (+201) Responded to question 07:26:07 [wiki] [[Talk:Tangle bracket language]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43606&oldid=43605 * Hppavilion1 * (+93) Signed 07:26:52 You're very enthousiastic about esolangs, hppavilion[1]. 07:27:33 You'll notice that the last 2 edits were actually to talk pages 07:27:45 And that the second one was just correcting a mistake on the first :P 07:27:57 But yes, I am 07:29:00 which esolang was your first introduction to the subject? 07:29:08 -!- J_A_Work has joined. 07:29:17 Lolcode, actually 07:29:32 I could never actually run it though :P 07:29:59 One of the few that has a wiki page to itselft. 07:30:14 You tried making an interpreter for it? 07:30:41 No 07:30:48 I'm not great with parsers 07:31:01 The only parser I've ever written was a Shunting-yard algorithm 07:31:29 Which is weird, because I'm an implementer :P 07:33:21 Implementing is a lot of fun. 07:33:37 [wiki] [[Talk:Esoteric Operating System]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43607&oldid=43599 * Hppavilion1 * (+184) Signed 07:33:54 I mostly implement my own languages 07:34:06 Which aren't so much Esolangs as just Weirdlangs 07:34:51 what do you see as the difference between those teo? 07:36:35 TRUE esolangs are made to be esoteric, and have more than just weird syntax 07:36:41 Weirdlangs just look strange 07:37:00 Lolcode isn't really a true esolang because it just uses strange keywords 07:37:06 It doesn't do anything different 07:37:30 Aside from the lulziness, it's just a crappy programming language 07:37:33 Making it a Weirdlang 07:37:57 My language is also a Weirdlang because it doesn't do anything new, and it's just a normal language with strange syntax 07:38:03 print}Hello, World!}; 07:38:11 That's a hello wolrd (minus the import) 07:38:58 To be an Esolang, you have to have something more than just strange syntax. You have to have confuddling semantics or novel structure 07:39:10 I see. 07:39:17 Like Malbolge or Befunge, respectively 07:39:26 Of course, this is all just my opinion :P 07:39:59 I mean, most just group them all under esolangs, but they are different. 07:40:37 Yep 07:40:53 Weirdlangs look weird, esolangs are truly, well, esoteric 07:41:42 In the example you just wrote though, it's an interesting Q of how you would write nested brackets. 07:42:39 Which example? 07:42:45 The Tangle Bracket Language? 07:43:01 the hello world is from that? 07:43:17 Oh 07:43:31 The hello world is from WalScript 1.0 07:43:44 Also, OO-WalScript and generic WalScript 07:43:52 Or is it WalScript Alpha? 07:43:54 I forget 07:44:41 Yours? 07:44:58 Yep 07:45:09 Brackets are actually used as delimeters in walscript 07:45:22 A While Loop, for example, looks like this: 07:45:29 while}cond}; 07:45:37 dostuff}; 07:45:40 endwhile}; 07:45:50 Indentation ignored, of course 07:46:25 and it's while & endwhile that determines the scope. 07:46:46 There isn't scope xD 07:47:01 And I think it's actually a Tangle-Bracket language itself, at least in my implementation 07:47:38 But yes, while and endwhile deterermine what gets looped, not the brackets 07:48:34 My mind is full of javascript, so I see brackets I think scope. 07:49:21 Yeah 07:49:28 That's true for most languages 07:49:42 But mine have to be at _least_ weirdlangs for me to make them 07:49:55 Should I create a "Weirdlang" page on the wiki? 07:51:07 [wiki] [[Talk:Timesig]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43608 * Hppavilion1 * (+159) Created Page 07:52:27 I'd think it a good idea. 07:52:51 OK 07:53:17 Here's an article I remember reading on "Vocabulary-Oriented and Behavior-Oriented Esolangs" http://esoteric.codes/post/113253944074/vocabulary-oriented-and-behavior-oriented-esolangs 07:54:06 might help with how to charecterize the difference. 07:56:17 What parts of languages are there? 07:56:33 There's syntax, semantics, structure, anything else? 07:57:36 I don't know enough to give a close answer to that. 07:57:43 [wiki] [[Talk:O]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43609 * JayCampbell * (+98) kudos 07:58:02 how data is stored. 07:58:43 the wiki has a catergory page with stack, queues, cell... and so on. 08:00:18 [wiki] [[Weirdlang]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43610 * Hppavilion1 * (+934) Created Page 08:01:04 Data storage is still semantics, I believe 08:02:01 you should make a language with no delimiters. 08:02:12 and make whitespaces illegal 08:02:50 while(a>b&&c>0){a+=bc--} 08:04:31 Aren't () and {} delimetres? 08:04:41 somewhat yes 08:05:25 you could get rid of {} by stating how many statements in the block are 08:05:25 like 08:05:32 while(a>b&&c>0)2a+=bc-- 08:05:41 which tells the parser that the next two statements belong to a block 08:06:26 Interesting 08:13:42 Thanks for that website :) 08:16:33 The least appropriately named esolang ever: BodyFuck 08:16:41 Go removes the () from constructions like those, because the cond is always one expression. 08:16:58 Still keeps the braces, though. 08:20:48 Kewlzez 08:31:17 -!- white_bear has joined. 08:33:34 CONVERSATION NOT HAPPENNING 08:33:38 ESOHULK MAD 08:36:32 yeah () is actually redundant 08:36:41 just parse one expression and you're fine :) 08:43:41 I seem to recall that in Go the braces are actually part of the syntax of the control structure, unlike in C, where the body can be any single statement, and the braces are part of the compound statement syntax. 08:44:12 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 08:47:09 Related note: for consistency, C's function bodies should really do the same. int add1(int x) return x + 1; should be just fine. 08:53:08 I think c++ allows the function body to be a try block, but not other statements 09:00:58 The old-style function definitions aren't perhaps all that friendly to the single-statement style. 09:03:05 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Adrianton3 * New user account 09:04:17 The other day I wrote a contrived example of a switch with a non-compound-statement body. 09:04:20 for (int i = 0, j = 0; i < 2; i++, j = 0) switch (i) do case 0: { putchar('a'); case 1: putchar('b'); } while (j++ < i); 09:04:31 [wiki] [[Befunge]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43611&oldid=42953 * Adrianton3 * (+7) /* Updated a link in the external resources */ 09:04:58 I kind of like the "switch (i) do case 0:" part, it looks like code you'd expect from fungot. 09:04:58 fizzie: they don't want people to search it for me. i should wake 09:32:06 -!- x10A94 has joined. 09:36:14 -!- x1365C has joined. 09:36:33 -!- x16444 has joined. 09:38:58 -!- x1365C has quit (Client Quit). 09:40:20 -!- x10A94 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 09:40:48 -!- x16444 has changed nick to x10A94. 10:00:25 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 10:26:44 -!- Lymia has quit (Changing host). 10:26:44 -!- Lymia has joined. 10:29:28 -!- boily has joined. 11:16:06 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:17:11 -!- Patashu has joined. 11:21:56 -!- boily has quit (Quit: SULTRY CHICKEN). 11:23:58 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:27:56 It reminds me of Duff's device 11:37:08 Yes, quite. 11:39:08 -!- J_A_Work has quit (Quit: J_A_Work). 11:39:56 In general, you can replace if (x == 42) foo(); for an integral x by switch (x) case 42: foo(); 11:42:03 yeah, and you can replace while(x)stmt with for(;x;)stmt and it's not even any longer, so the while keyword is quite redundant 11:42:30 lol 11:43:03 fizzie: however, if statements are useful when the body contains a case label for an outer switch 11:43:21 in those cases you can't replace them with a switch so easily, though you can still replace them with a switch-goto in C 11:44:43 as in, replace if(cond)stmt with {switch(cond)case 0:goto skip;stmt skip:;} 11:45:25 but that gets a bit ugly 11:46:01 also, more importantly, you can't replace an if with just a plain switch-case if the body contains "break" statements 11:46:17 in that case too you can use switch-goto 11:49:22 Yes, I agree that if statements where the body contains a case label for an enclosing switch are good to have. 11:49:45 It's kind of like conditional fallthrough. 11:55:39 I was sort of thinking on a small language with syntax somewhat similar to C (pre-C99), but that has if() and for(;;) but doesn't have while or switch, and make it such that it can be parsed without knowing the keywords, so you can substitute whatever translated keywords you want (subject to tokenizing rules) and it will mean the same 11:56:44 it can only have three actually different basic types though, eg. int, unsigned char, unsigned long int 11:57:01 -!- lleu has quit (Quit: That's what she said). 11:57:15 -!- lleu has joined. 11:57:15 -!- lleu has quit (Changing host). 11:57:15 -!- lleu has joined. 11:57:30 but three basic types should be enough. you can still declare pointers as unsigned char * because the non-letter punctuation is fixed 11:57:41 only the alnum keywords are replacable 12:02:41 -!- J_A_Work has joined. 12:10:07 you could replace if with for as well 12:10:28 for(;x;){/*do*/break;} 12:11:04 hm. probably not so practical due to the else 12:11:22 or hm. 12:11:26 remove for and while 12:11:30 and just use if&goto 12:11:48 -!- idris-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 12:12:51 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 12:20:54 -!- copumpkin has joined. 12:21:00 -!- copumpkin has quit (Client Quit). 12:25:13 -!- Melvar has joined. 12:25:38 -!- idris-bot has joined. 12:42:50 -!- MDream has changed nick to MDude. 12:43:14 -!- SopaXT has joined. 12:45:49 -!- GoToTell has quit (Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D). 13:04:40 -!- hilquias has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:05:28 -!- hilquias has joined. 13:18:05 Well, that was a long lunch 13:22:54 -!- `^_^v has joined. 13:34:55 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 13:36:36 -!- J_A_Work has quit (Quit: J_A_Work). 13:37:42 Taneb: Did it start around http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-02-18#133928Taneb ? 13:38:03 shachaf, yes 13:38:51 It was a very long lunch 13:39:12 (fwiw, "Late Post 'Not That Late'" is still my favourite ever headline) 13:53:49 b_jonas: You don't need if, ?: will do 13:54:07 b_jonas: And maybe you could have for loops where the syntax is just (;;) 14:07:13 -!- oerjan has joined. 14:13:12 [wiki] [[Talk:Tangle bracket language]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43612&oldid=43606 * Rottytooth * (+281) responded to comment 14:14:39 FreeFull: Having only ?: and for (;;) for control constructs is really pretty awkward, because there's no way to do a conditional break (or goto) with only ?:. 14:15:09 Sure, you *could* get things done, but it wouldn't be very pleasant. 14:15:36 fizzie: That's true 14:15:59 You could always change semantics a bit though 14:16:14 -!- drdanmaku has joined. 14:19:30 Of course GCC would let you write for (;;) { ...; 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({ break; }) : 0; ... } or even void *cont = &&cont, *done = &&done; cont: for (;;) { ...; goto *(x ? done : cont); } done:; 14:20:39 that's what pascal did 14:20:55 only one exit point per structure 14:21:16 fizzie, could you use recursion as a sneaky extra control structure? 14:21:41 hm i guess if then else excepted 14:23:57 Taneb: Yes. You might have stack-related problems, though. 14:27:40 True... 14:29:41 also disallow functions . 14:29:45 just use computed jumps, yes. 14:29:48 goto and for 14:29:51 nothing else allowed :) 14:30:48 -!- rottytooth has joined. 14:32:58 The for sounds a bit superfluous at that point. 14:35:14 Does C have computed gotos? 14:35:43 No, hu 14:35:44 FreeFull: you can't quite change semantics. The point is that it sohuld be like OC, in that it's self-hosting and the compiler is written in sort of the intersection of the language and C, so you can boostrap it with a C compiler then compile it with itself. 14:35:45 but GCC does. 14:36:04 So you can add extensions, sure, but they complicate writing the compiler. 14:36:08 do you think i can call a language 'c-like' if this is a syntax error? x += - y 14:36:42 izabera: I didn't say C-like language. I said language with C-like synatax. 14:36:54 And you can still say the language has C-like syntax when x += - y is an error 14:37:06 oki thanks 14:38:34 oh wait my parser is choking on x += -3 14:38:43 this is a problem isn't it? 14:40:49 dunno, depends on what the specs are 14:40:59 there are no specs yet 14:41:22 what are you trying to parse? 14:42:59 trying to write a language that's not esoteric so it's kind of off topic here 14:52:42 -!- nisstyre has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:53:13 Hm. 14:53:30 I think humanity lacks a special kind of martial arts. 14:53:33 Fighting in space 14:53:36 with zero gravity. 14:53:46 We don't know how to fight in zero gravity! 14:53:53 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C-family_programming_languages v g 14:54:07 mroman, we don't know how to do a lot of things in zero gravity 14:54:21 Yeah, but fighting seems to be socially important. 14:55:02 Eh, it'll be a long time before zero gravity sees belligerent antagonists in close proximity 14:55:14 Can you move in space without holding on to something? 14:55:17 Especially without a mediating force 14:55:21 Like with a swimming movement? 14:55:29 I think so??? 14:55:32 If there is air 14:55:53 but otherwise not? 14:56:07 I seem to recall hearing about that, plus that it's very inefficient. 14:56:17 mroman: You could spit to the other direction. 14:56:32 Or throw articles of clothing. 14:56:38 apparentely viscosity of air isn't that good for moving 14:57:03 you could swim, but it'd be horribly slow and inefficient. 14:57:03 you're also going to have a hell of a time controlling your attitude 14:57:23 also without friction holding you 14:57:26 if you punch a guy in the face 14:57:29 For the airy case, you might want some sort of wings, like they have flippers for water. 14:57:30 you'de be propelled backwards? 14:57:42 sounds like underwater rugby 14:57:47 Phantom_Hoover, if you're attempting to fight someone in space, there's already an attitude problem somewhere 14:57:47 :P 14:58:15 so a grappling style is probably more suited for space fights 14:58:22 fizzie, i mean you could just get your own little propellor jetpack 14:58:37 bonus: you can fight people by doing the superman punch 14:58:51 yeah if you have something to "jump off" from 14:59:00 you could do matrix style fighting 14:59:02 solta 14:59:05 *sorta 14:59:34 also 14:59:38 if we build a huge enough thing 14:59:38 imo we should wait 3 years until the messiah chris roberts releases his space fps and answers all our questions 14:59:45 that thing has so much gravity it will suck light towards it 14:59:51 so you could build a supermassive camera 14:59:54 that captures light 15:00:03 by actually capturing it 15:00:07 ooh i remember a similar idea to that 15:00:16 involving using the sun as a gravitational lens 15:01:20 you mean constructing artificial gravitational lens to take pictures of things that would be hidden behind something? 15:01:31 i'm now imagine flippers larger than the person 15:01:31 -!- _256Q has joined. 15:01:31 -!- _256Q has quit (Changing host). 15:01:31 -!- _256Q has joined. 15:01:34 *imagining 15:01:57 no i mean using the sun as a lens to gather more light from a distant object 15:02:09 ok. List of sports that would not be fun in zero gravity 15:02:15 Wikipedia so needs this 15:02:34 Would that be as-is, or with some modification? 15:02:34 also, for the attitude, might a shark-like fin help 15:02:36 - all sports 15:02:42 fizzie: minor modifications are allowed 15:02:44 like baseball 15:02:47 you could have a rope 15:02:53 Phantom_Hoover, I don't think darts would be very fun 15:02:55 so people can pull them selves using the rope around the bases 15:03:00 *themselves 15:03:03 Then again, it'd probably be more fun than darts is normally 15:03:07 I'd like to see zero-gravity cycling with no modification or extra help. 15:03:34 you could strap a propellor to a bike 15:03:34 how would you sit on it? 15:03:43 i know some people who essentially made a submarine that way 15:03:45 Just people furiously pedaling and floating uncontrolledly. 15:03:46 You wouldn't need to midify the rules to allow some changes to the bikes. 15:03:50 mroman, staying sat on it is the hard part 15:04:07 Taneb: They've got shoes that lock onto the pedals. 15:04:13 * oerjan is still waiting for that picture of a black hole that was promised the other year 15:04:26 You could keep the bike on a metal surface by having magnetic wheels. 15:04:36 oerjan, are you sure you weren't just reading promotional material for interstellar 15:05:28 If a black hole is lit form the back, you would bee able to see where the light isn't able to reach you due to the hole. 15:05:57 Phantom_Hoover: it wasn't promotion but a blog 15:06:08 i mean we know pretty well what we expect black holes to look like by now 15:06:33 http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/07/21/were-going-to-see-a-black-hole/ 15:06:42 weight lifting would probably be pretty useless in space? 15:07:13 you'd need some sort of bungee cord 15:07:50 you know the iss has a gymn on it already right 15:07:58 usually the people on long space stays will have to do a lot of exercise on board to not loose to much muscle mass. 15:08:01 oerjan, here, to tide you over http://sirxemic.github.io/Interstellar/ 15:08:18 Phantom_Hoover: I thought they had something like that 15:08:19 mroman, I think that is generally more cardio stuff 15:08:30 i've heard about interstellar 15:08:31 otherwise they probably couldn't even walk anymore when they come back after a few months? 15:08:55 muscles vanish pretty quickly 15:09:04 i don't think it's cardio as much as keeping muscle tone 15:09:26 three months in a cast and you're thigh are almost gone 15:09:32 *is 15:09:54 oerjan, yes but this is a live raytracer 15:10:32 Taneb: I thought it's about keeping muscles. 15:10:40 I think you are right 15:11:53 Phantom_Hoover: it took too long, i closed it 15:12:03 yeah it's p taxing 15:12:34 though now that i've dusted this computer it runs surprisingly smoothly 15:14:11 wtf 15:14:17 there's a nicolas cage move I haven't seen 15:14:19 *movie 15:18:56 i've got the moooovies like cage 15:19:45 well 15:19:53 he's better than all sharknado movies together 15:19:55 :D 15:41:03 -!- SopaXT has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 15:51:37 -!- mauris has joined. 16:06:13 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 16:12:32 -!- nycs has joined. 16:14:31 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 16:28:04 -!- white_bear has quit (Quit: leaving). 16:46:16 -!- Wright has joined. 16:58:12 -!- zzo38 has joined. 17:02:06 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: BBS). 17:06:23 I have installed the threaded Apache MPM, but now it says the package for PHP is not threadsafe (I have some PHP files that I will need to be able to run) 17:08:57 -!- hilquias has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:24:29 -!- FreeFull has joined. 17:43:52 -!- Lorenzo64 has joined. 17:52:36 -!- ais523 has joined. 18:03:11 what's up with this edit?: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=LOLCODE&diff=43600&oldid=42122 18:04:18 [wiki] [[Esolang talk:Rules]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43613&oldid=43603 * Ais523 * (+158) [[Esolang:Policy]] 18:05:19 I don't know? 18:05:37 ais523: whoa, "?:" 18:05:43 innovative punctuation 18:05:48 I should try using that. 18:06:33 I like it 18:06:43 (it's also an operator in GNU C) 18:07:10 ais523: The previous revision had a duplicate entry. 18:07:16 http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=LOLCODE&oldid=42122 18:07:28 ah good 18:07:31 Yes, an operator of GNU C that I tend to use often 18:07:47 I've actually never used it 18:07:59 although I use the Perl equivalents, || and //, quite a lot 18:13:42 -!- ais523 has quit. 18:16:53 -!- ais523 has joined. 18:21:47 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:41:44 -!- ais523 has joined. 18:44:09 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: BBS). 18:55:01 -!- FreeFull has joined. 18:57:17 thesis submitted! 19:01:43 coppro: what? great! 19:01:52 what kind of thesis? 19:07:36 master's 19:08:58 -!- Lorenzo64 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:11:02 -!- nortti has changed nick to fist. 19:11:13 -!- fist has changed nick to nortti. 19:14:02 can you produce a regex that matches c style strings? 19:14:22 yes 19:14:26 coppro, what is your thesis about? 19:14:31 "(\\.|[^\\"])+" 19:14:45 that's a Perl regex 19:14:46 what 19:14:48 no 19:14:54 why not? 19:15:00 because "\"" 19:15:10 err, I meant +, not * 19:15:12 that matches 19:15:20 \\. matches \" 19:15:28 and the double quotes match themselves literally 19:15:30 "\\\"" 19:15:43 \\. matches \\, then \\. matches \" 19:15:58 Taneb: graph structure theory and logic 19:16:24 Oooh 19:16:38 thank you so much ais523 19:17:09 i was trying with "(.*[^\\]|)(\\\\)*" but it got too complex 19:19:14 and sorry for being stupid 19:24:26 ais523: almost, but no. that matches a newline between double quotes, which is not a valid string literal. 19:24:31 Humans do not need to excuse themselves for Stupidity. It resembles an evil inheritable Disease. 19:26:33 b_jonas: ah yes 19:26:42 "(\\.|[^\\"\n])+" 19:26:52 are formfeeds legal inside C literals? might need to ban those too 19:28:47 -!- atrapado has joined. 19:34:22 [wiki] [[Esolang talk:Rules]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43614&oldid=43613 * Hppavilion1 * (+68) Requested link 19:34:30 ais523: then of course there's the problem that "\k" isn't a valid string literal either 19:34:33 etc 19:36:24 [wiki] [[Esolang talk:Policy]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43615&oldid=30569 * Hppavilion1 * (+343) /* Expand article scope */ new section 19:39:15 [wiki] [[Esolang:Policy]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43616&oldid=30638 * Hppavilion1 * (+78) Clarified where articles can go. (That is, specified that only pages in the _main_ namespace have to be on Esolangs, as I'm pretty sure user namepace pages are generally users) 19:39:44 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:40:00 For the record, I didn't change the meaning of the page, I just made it more clear 19:42:53 [wiki] [[Talk:Tangle bracket language]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43617&oldid=43612 * Hppavilion1 * (+276) Answered a question. 19:43:12 [wiki] [[Talk:Tangle bracket language]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43618&oldid=43617 * Hppavilion1 * (+92) Signed 19:45:29 [wiki] [[Talk:Tangle bracket language]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43619&oldid=43618 * Hppavilion1 * (+229) Clarified my answer 19:45:31 I think that changes the meaning. 19:45:40 Does it? 19:45:46 -!- drdanmaku has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 19:45:51 It's also less clear, but that might just be due to lack of proofreading. 19:46:16 shachaf: What I meant to say was that the "Esolangs only as articles" rule only applied in the _main_ namespace 19:46:47 So no one will get upset from confusion when they first encounter a User: page 19:46:57 Sorry if I was unclear 19:47:05 Should I revert it? 19:48:29 I think I might speak my own dialect of english that _no one else understands_ :P' 19:48:42 I have to go shower 19:49:02 If you want to revert it or try to make my unclarity clear, please do 19:56:48 Have I timed out yet? 19:56:49 Nope 19:58:17 [wiki] [[Esolang:Policy]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43620&oldid=43616 * Hppavilion1 * (-78) Undo revision 43616 by Self (I was told it actually made it less clear and changed the meaning) 20:02:03 shachaf: There, that better? 20:09:31 [wiki] [[Talk:Folder]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43621&oldid=43052 * Hppavilion1 * (+524) Proved Folder TC 20:13:35 So I've thought of a cryptographic problem. 20:14:13 There are m people. How can they randomly select n people from themselves, such that each of the people selected knows exactly who has been selected, but each of the people not selected only knows that ey has not been selected? 20:14:49 assuming that all communication is public? 20:15:08 without that it's easy 20:15:15 also, are we assuming that all these people are honest? 20:15:27 Is it possible to tell xterm to erase a picture from a specified area in the screen? 20:15:50 actually, given the existence of private-key crypto 20:16:13 They're not necessarily honest, but if they have all acted honestly, it must be possible for them to prove, after the fact, that they have acted honestly. 20:16:16 * tswett taps his microphone. 20:17:07 Yeah, given the existence of private-key crypto, I don't think it matters whether all communication is public or not. 20:17:25 Except that if all communication is public, then it's possible for a person to prove that they haven't communicated anything at all. 20:18:49 Oh, and it's fine if it's possible for a person to ruin everything by not being honest—but if somebody does that, it will be impossible for em to prove after the fact that ey has acted honestly. 20:19:10 when you say 'randomly'... 20:19:13 And so everyone will assume that ey has *not* acted honestly, and force em to walk the plank. 20:19:19 Uniform distribution. 20:19:30 99999999999999999999999999999 bottles of beer on the wall 20:19:34 99999999999999999999999999999 bottles of beer! 20:19:40 Take one down, pass it around 20:19:41 There's a public source of random information handy; anyone can invoke it, and when they do, everyone sees the result. 20:19:44 hppavilion[1], please don't 20:19:50