< 1440806424 961106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: corollary < 1440806442 698257 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the word < 1440806454 911972 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "has" did not help < 1440806483 251837 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that statement may be a conjecture < 1440806539 666043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%27s_sum_of_powers_conjecture which is alas false < 1440806550 984326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :15.05.29:16:32:58 shachaf: ityarfo < 1440806612 473686 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1440806639 43232 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :halo < 1440806660 767857 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :15.05.29:16:29:41 haven't you americanized your grade system yet < 1440806665 23446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Euler's conjecture was disproven by L. J. Lander and T. R. Parkin in 1966 when, through a direct computer search on a CDC 6600, they found a counterexample for k = 5." I wonder if real mathematicians lamented on the impertinence of these young computerfolk, that they'd so rudely disprove someone's conjencture not through proper thinking but just a mechanical contrivance. < 1440806671 157205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :15.05.29:16:31:37 oerjan: itym americanised hth < 1440806677 684040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is great < 1440806695 784594 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's something weird like you need n+1 summands for the power of the nth prime < 1440806710 319052 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1440806752 529619 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is that "i think you are right for once" < 1440806773 157803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's actually a good question, it could be. <-- my impression a while ago was that UD entries are at least as likely to be about sex as to be accurate < 1440806776 961508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: why are you asking me < 1440806801 684907 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dbelange < 1440806807 278134 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so depending on the amount of overlap it could all be correct? yay! < 1440806808 474881 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you remembered this happening and ørjan didn't! < 1440806820 509600 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1440806837 844258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: I suspect oerjan remembered it happening, just not the specific abbreviation. < 1440806852 811491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that righterjan < 1440806910 100013 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( aiming for s/rfo/rft/ ?! ) < 1440806962 642134 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a long way to from rfo to raa (right as always) < 1440806985 484600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: is that "i think you are right for once" <-- that's my guess too hth < 1440806999 949561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ...make that twice < 1440807014 311917 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1440807016 112778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a copy-and-paste quote, it's just what i remember oerjan saying < 1440807022 635215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i already deleted the logs hth < 1440807041 180386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :15.05.29:16:33:19 ...make that twice < 1440807046 882420 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "thrice" has a t, too < 1440807084 472120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i didn't remember until you pasted hth < 1440807096 165707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't paste hth, i always type it < 1440807098 401220 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, so does Taneb, if you'll allow some narcissistic non-sequitur < 1440807115 104029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Taneb < 1440807115 501715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: so does Bertram < 1440807115 707447 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Taneb. Thaneb. < 1440807116 967652 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: right for taneb? < 1440807122 464230 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1440807128 558019 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A perfect match < 1440807143 76448 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I meant as a first letter. < 1440807147 403048 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1440807148 928167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what you meant. < 1440807156 160701 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do prefer the Oxford spelling < 1440807158 416956 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e has a t as well < 1440807168 251958 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Nathan < 1440807172 869541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has a negative number of 'e's < 1440807198 988692 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is kind of weird seeing "Nathan" in IRC < 1440807223 604230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Nathan < 1440807224 384319 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Nathan. Thathan. < 1440807234 470416 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Theo < 1440807235 110528 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Theo. Theo. < 1440807305 665321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Tom Hanks < 1440807306 319998 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Tom Hanks. Thom Hanks. < 1440807336 778088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Banks < 1440807337 342772 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Banks. Thanks. < 1440807344 192372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was watching a pair of otters, and somehow the name "Harry P. Otter" hasn't left my brain since. < 1440807351 768414 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks blunder < 1440807352 320258 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, blunder. Thunder. < 1440807367 596773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If people kept otters as pets, I'm pretty sure someone would give a pet otter that name. < 1440807392 870119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hairy P. Otter < 1440807422 489737 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks t < 1440807472 87591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat_cubic < 1440807497 233286 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1440807507 376068 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to go to bed now, though < 1440807513 526750 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a train to catch in the morning! < 1440807515 539768 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which it is! < 1440807521 289750 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I should sleep between then and now < 1440807523 290599 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so start running < 1440807529 312831 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1440807537 438915 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Train's not for another 9 hours < 1440807540 134121 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1440807545 706427 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'night < 1440807555 988836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is your refrigerator in a train? Then you'd better catch it." Prank calls gone wrong. < 1440807571 318406 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks thanks < 1440807571 936343 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, thanks. Thanks. < 1440807579 25964 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( somehow this amuses me too much ) < 1440807587 881377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there's a channel for that hth < 1440807595 739181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks X < 1440807596 439143 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, X. T. < 1440807601 179972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn I was watching a pair of otters, and somehow the name "Harry P. Otter" hasn't left my brain since. < 1440807604 303886 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned '': I was watching a pair of otters, and somehow the name "Harry P. Otter" hasn't left my brain since. < 1440807610 529601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1440807611 528660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um oops < 1440807615 228855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1440807616 441503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh < 1440807620 192074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I < 1440807620 848447 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. < 1440807626 73907 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget < 1440807626 773286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I was watching a pair of otters, and somehow the name "Harry P. Otter" hasn't left my brain since. < 1440807627 945396 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `wisdom/': Is a directory \ Forget what? < 1440807629 604327 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1253) I was watching a pair of otters, and somehow the name "Harry P. Otter" hasn't left my brain since. < 1440807630 631074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, what's with that? < 1440807637 268312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I still haven't fixed it. < 1440807639 411676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Fix the canary.orig thing! twh < 1440807647 462609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the world holds its breath < 1440807648 172406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/forget < 1440807648 724822 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ rm "wisdom/$(echo "$1" | tr A-Z a-z)" \ echo "Forget what?" < 1440807658 157609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But I think it is still reverting, I saw someone revert and it seemed to work. < 1440807661 290601 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b01:cddb::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck my leg. < 1440807699 811585 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget < 1440807701 449136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what? < 1440807724 429062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it was reverted a long time ago hth < 1440807729 337805 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it wasn't. < 1440807730 279830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it? < 1440807734 389625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1440807741 169813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem to have been. < 1440807748 657625 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I checked) < 1440807754 448668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I distinctly saw someone do `revert and then something was no longer there. So weird. < 1440807774 637044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an int-e `revert 11 days ago which did a change. < 1440807778 233968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/e12c9660a9e7 < 1440807803 771918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea why oerjan's revert did nothing. Perhaps it's gone nondeterministic. < 1440807815 792290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it still printed the error. < 1440807850 549954 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, its quite erratic < 1440807859 715952 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's < 1440807872 943938 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? equals < 1440807873 512754 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :equals? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1440807881 531217 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? equality < 1440807882 288165 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :equality? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1440807907 820414 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -s equals wisdom/equals < 1440807910 108274 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1440807921 513802 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that won't work... stupid plurals < 1440807947 543485 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm wisdom/equals; ln -s equal wisdom/equal < 1440807949 881474 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1440807950 875061 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? equals < 1440807951 592930 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :equals? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1440807955 750705 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? equal < 1440807956 545784 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :equal? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1440808054 711441 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? < 1440808055 878948 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ wipes the floor with < 1440808069 933765 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :another accident? < 1440808102 883987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think it's something to do with file creation not reverting properly, and being inconsistent between the repo and the actual directory < 1440808106 4219 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/\ < 1440808107 529814 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan elliott oerjan < 1440808118 297662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure which one ends up winning in the end < 1440808155 550025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/ < 1440808157 117064 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZombieCheney < 1440808160 254874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/ < 1440808161 744938 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1440808250 654522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh that won't work... stupid plurals <-- it checks the exact filename first hth < 1440808293 463589 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1440808314 448636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some entries that have both < 1440808316 545051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoid < 1440808317 266424 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are just categories with a single object. < 1440808318 310129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoids < 1440808319 30997 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are the easy version of categories. < 1440808370 967745 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd wisdom; find . -type l -print0 | xargs -0 ls -ld < 1440808372 35828 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 9 Aug 13 11:11 ./canary -> ../canary \ lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 5 Aug 29 00:25 ./equal -> equal \ lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 9 Apr 15 07:51 ./issue -> .doorstop \ lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 4 Apr 15 07:52 ./koen_ -> koen \ lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 24 Apr 15 07:52 ./perpetuum mobile -> perpetual motion machine \ lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 18 Aug 13 11:11 . < 1440808409 948015 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/equal < 1440808411 426701 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1440808437 806699 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -ld wisdom/reflection < 1440808438 424979 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 18 Aug 13 11:11 wisdom/reflection -> /proc/self/cmdline < 1440808509 110709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i surely thought the symbolic links would have been killed off (they don't survive `reverts well either) < 1440808585 324190 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? roujo's relevant info < 1440808586 14308 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That information is stored in an unnamed metal cabinet in one of the top floors of an obscure administrative building with a number that you probably never heard of. < 1440808617 704381 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one made me stop and wonder... how big is the smallest natural number that you've never read or heard in your life? < 1440809174 751548 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: if i knew that, my head would collapse into a tiny black hole < 1440809592 694867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: https://gist.github.com/ion1/5957723 hth < 1440809739 683983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know because such thing is difficult to remember, and then it would probably be wrong after that anyways < 1440809801 302352 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalem: right, but I'm really looking for a statistical basis for an estimate. < 1440809992 959079 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I believe there's good reason to expect the number to be fairly low (somewhere under 10000) because we have a tendency to round numbers larger than a few hundred. < 1440810057 58455 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm probably understanding this wrongly. the way i see it, if i knew which number it wasn't, it's suddenly no longer the smallest big number i _haven't_ heard or seen < 1440810064 110241 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is discounting raw computer output (not summarized by humans) < 1440810083 741381 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lest the discovery of said number then imposes the epiphany of which number it is < 1440810185 523102 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalem: which is why I'm not asking for a precise answer. < 1440810220 135959 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i know it's over a googolplex < 1440810238 680532 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess a googolplex + 1 is my answer hth < 1440810243 904257 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must be very old < 1440810250 859094 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes he's doing the hth thing right < 1440810254 2826 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that? < 1440810389 979951 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because even if you read numbers really fast... say 10 per second... without sleep... in a hundred years... you can read 32 billion (10^9) numbers. So some of the first 33 billion numbers must certainly be missing. < 1440810443 640842 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait a minute, rereading the question i think i've got it really really wrong < 1440810462 447616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka "backwards" < 1440810465 535575 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry it's getting late, i'm not sure i can provide you with a sensible answer really hah < 1440810476 482479 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok < 1440810480 725431 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes backwards is a suitable expression < 1440810499 943705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440810514 68783 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a tendency for that nowadays it seems < 1440810523 313353 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really a question to be contemplated rather than actually answered. < 1440810554 471831 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i think i actually will once i've rested < 1440810580 58009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is 10893, no wait 11050, no wait ... < 1440810585 867330 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1440810597 742444 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you'll grow tired of this game soon enough < 1440810615 88488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :faster than you'd expect < 1440810645 427822 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1440811618 860011 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1440811879 993304 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440812303 984738 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if s and t are strings < 1440812317 376207 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s+t is their concatenation < 1440812339 847904 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s-t is s with all instances of t removed < 1440812405 101256 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/t is s split on each instance of t < 1440812467 43137 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1440812493 125235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure s*t should be concatenation hth < 1440812544 216379 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by that logic then, if A is an array, A*t is a single string with each member of A separated with t < 1440812571 814351 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :["] < 1440812600 460189 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :["foo","bar","baz"]*"," = "foo,bar,baz" < 1440812627 43604 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo,bar,baz"/"," = ["foo","bar","baz"] < 1440813016 946129 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440813235 210714 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: but what if B is another array of strings and you do A*B? < 1440813298 345430 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be a single string of every member of A separated by each member of B? < 1440813357 503919 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such that ["foo","bar"]*[",","."] = "foo,barfoo.bar" ? < 1440813475 167304 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe? < 1440813734 222249 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: that is how Array * String works in Ruby! < 1440813767 351328 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440813768 986779 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and GolfScript extended the pattern to Array / String like you did) < 1440813880 231963 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan! < 1440813992 158380 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1440813992 212917 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 2h 48m 9s ago: The saucepan is also ancient hth < 1440814009 19103 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a saucepancient, if you will. < 1440814068 173738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boÊŽily < 1440814354 303990 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fcwmsgmlgioyrhdw JOIN :#esoteric < 1440815193 101761 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DISTANT CHICKEN < 1440815478 979463 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440816743 480662 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1440817259 801661 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1440817269 611258 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440818080 327171 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1440818253 868864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you use the CSS :before and :after selectors with tags? < 1440818427 599544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be able to replace a picture with some text by using a CSS code < 1440819531 702344 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Folder14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43944&oldid=43894 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+113) 10/* Computational class up for debate */ < 1440820902 650832 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440821050 985221 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440821099 122962 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440821584 304637 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PART :#esoteric < 1440821590 717403 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fcwmsgmlgioyrhdw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1440826098 610197 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ÊŽ used for? < 1440826115 660793 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than "(x x)(x x).xÊŽ" < 1440826115 763766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably ipa < 1440826132 106889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ÊŽ < 1440826135 942788 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, ipa < 1440826136 148709 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+028E LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED Y] < 1440826141 29131 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the spanish ll sound < 1440826165 724988 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPA loves to mangle existing letter shapes < 1440826166 831017 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a voiced lateral approximant, according to unicode < 1440826220 688989 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :think /l/ but don't actually block off any airflow with your tongue < 1440826264 470892 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it ok if i actually block air while i'm thinking of this? < 1440826271 820706 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to IPA it's a palatal approximant specifically < 1440826332 335578 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also the American "lli" in "million" apparently, in some areas < 1440826383 98100 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like filet miGNon? < 1440826574 71474 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :champagner should be more known, i guess < 1440826668 699723 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: no < 1440827014 621867 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finally got a score above 100 million < 1440827407 117250 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440827699 918619 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what? < 1440827717 452653 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a very high score if you're playing poker with zimbabwe dollars < 1440827718 754483 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :capitalism? ;-) < 1440827739 553573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it the score in? < 1440827885 963255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you do play poker though it should probably be with poker chips (if you have any) < 1440828351 96838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I program what error code Apache will response for some file? I want to make /favicon.ico to result in 410 instead of 404 < 1440828354 257743 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah, my disjunctivitis is acting up again < 1440828678 627363 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touhou < 1440828697 444062 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :touhou 14 < 1440828735 472576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: hewsham < 1440828743 24860 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't very good but it is progress < 1440828880 353716 :llue!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440828880 408105 :llue!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 QUIT :Changing host < 1440828880 408172 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1440829073 101231 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1440829948 921954 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, oerjan, wonder if the IFCC blocked Vaarsuvius from telling Roy not to destroy the gate is so that Hel could make this move, are Hel and IFCC co-operating in any way? < 1440830166 862072 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I had expected, the DVI compresses much better than the PDF (although the PDF is already compressed, but even then it is much larger than the compressed size of a DVI file) < 1440830459 42195 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440830527 416941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1440830761 689291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i also wondered about that < 1440830769 161493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not assuming it < 1440830797 907802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's your prediction twh < 1440830818 378682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: By the way, even if Veldrina disappears presumably there would still be a tie. < 1440830821 434856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after a few attempts, my predictions don't seem that good < 1440830838 721928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why? < 1440830860 196325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1440830863 879511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you have one set of gods voting no and one set voting yes (with the demigods). < 1440830883 87346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so then they'll have to look at the tie-breaking for _that_ < 1440830889 40406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1440830922 222506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny that an individual northern god has more influence than a whole pantheon. < 1440830953 583312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, Hel would already know about the snarl before the IFCC did < 1440830973 620666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least its existence < 1440830980 197152 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1440830981 340387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's to say they didn't know about it already? < 1440830996 925348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was pretty implied sabine told them < 1440831003 474446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after nale told her < 1440831013 133447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1440831022 225469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They haven't been known to be particularly forthcoming about what they already know. < 1440831047 57529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, they are uncharacterically competent for villains < 1440831055 979193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+ist+ < 1440831143 661549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's meaningful to speculate < 1440831174 222624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaarsuvius tried to guess and it didn't make sense to him why they would < 1440831196 125408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa, a gendered pronoun from you, in this situation? < 1440831200 7942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1440831259 571631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i don't really find vaarsuvius very androgynous, really < 1440831327 208580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it seems like the IFCC would _not_ be cooperating with the goblin god < 1440831341 723330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that one _wants_ access to an undamaged gate < 1440831412 901367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :goblins for the goblin god < 1440831508 701738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i wouldn't be surprised if redcloak is deceived about what that god actually wants < 1440831529 46510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be the motivation? < 1440831541 286883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i haven't read any of the extra oots books < 1440831578 839603 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you take a c-like language and recursion is allowed but you only allow global variables and the only loop form is for (x in list) { } < 1440831582 633026 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it still turing complete? < 1440831590 510233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well miko claimed the god just wants to annihilate everything, and redcloak said she didn't know what she was talking about. but what if she's right? < 1440831614 776654 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: wouldn't that be the while language? < 1440831621 457658 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it? < 1440831641 660978 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ofc, someone else alreeady invented it < 1440831651 965012 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik a single endless loop (which can be made by appending to list every time) is enough to be tc < 1440831675 628642 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with if and the likes, of course < 1440831676 282679 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :lists are finite < 1440831688 622139 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot append to a list? < 1440831695 79964 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no < 1440831704 156509 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you could but let's say no < 1440831704 988086 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1440831711 649355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean in 371? < 1440831734 538951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just about to link < 1440831737 751030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1440831738 463261 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could i do for (x in list) { do something; list = [1,1]; }? < 1440831740 943394 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: let's say that when you start the for loop, the elements are expanded so they don't reference the variables anymore, they're just a list and it's finite < 1440831766 592174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that may not mean quite that < 1440831782 781537 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for (x in list) { for (x in list) { ... } list = [1,1] } < 1440831793 398989 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :espanding on the inner loop is no longer a problem < 1440831798 72188 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ex < 1440831802 872456 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1440831813 425549 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1440831816 329359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: please refer to panel 6 of page 2 of comic 406 hth < 1440831823 541739 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you can only expand it a finite number of times < 1440831838 615036 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :== the number of iterations of the outer for loop < 1440831879 91389 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get exponential growth, but i'm not quite sure about infinity < 1440832073 1316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OKAY < 1440832138 543430 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: ifnrecorsuion is allowed, why donkt you just main() { ...; main(); } < 1440832149 706876 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if recursion < 1440832150 937324 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1440832152 686755 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1440832159 153756 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool :D < 1440832166 261947 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1440832204 449578 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the for could be used to model if, in case that's not present < 1440832260 63196 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :if is there :P < 1440832277 710033 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so recursion is magic < 1440832378 773958 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in reality i cannot imagine why you should expand lists at the beginning of for loops < 1440832725 422976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but i suppose it's possible < 1440833065 651135 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it already happens, one example is awk < 1440833090 905909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lists could be immutable, too < 1440833201 836247 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`awk BEGIN { a[0]=1; i=10; for (x in a) { a[i++]=1234 ; print i, x , a[x] } for (x in a) { a[i++]=1234 ; print i, x , a[x] } } < 1440833203 391499 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 0 1 \ 12 10 1234 \ 13 0 1 < 1440833248 227600 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ the first loop runs once, the second runs twice, both are adding elements to that list < 1440834625 426118 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1440836952 409622 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1440837144 698341 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440837482 792935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell augur i will never be icelandic! <-- don't worry, the declension is all wrong, being one of those rare icelandic words that _don't_ end in -r hth < 1440837482 898616 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1440837570 165390 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1440837575 302451 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07aspiracoin 08tinecoin 09rposisteparkcoin 0221321acoin 06ogelcoin 13fertcoin 04raintendibcoin 07v--coin 08proceryncoin 09aeolicoin 02cholbercoin 06hcbcoin 13rebesyzcoin 04recodcoin 07omecoin 08monodcoin 09selcoin 02trasscoin 06stafncoin 13biocoin < 1440837748 381872 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"biocoin" < 1440837750 972362 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1440837752 724868 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06xandcoin 13><>coin 04wikcoin 07nybergcoin 08produnchcoin 09unsburcoin 02formentcoin 06sukucoin 13arcacoin 04bytagcoin 07focadcoin 08wakcoin 09boathcoin 02aviacoin 06noilancoin 13bthopperloadcoin 04preturgcoin 07zethacoin 08clacoin 09linecoin < 1440837768 571899 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, wikcoin and wakcoin < 1440837793 39343 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and aviacoin < 1440837794 196823 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1440837795 739624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1440837797 530960 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09phffe7coin 02malculocoin 06rndcoin 13trolacoin 04javarcoin 07sockzcoin 08infulbrearcoin 09excogncoin 026ixcoin 06blazlecoin 13*wcoin 04miiendacoin 07piet-qcoin 08memocoin 09lkjcoin 02nomilezcoin 06dnncoin 13petecoin 04raaluaredgecoin 07arghcoin < 1440837817 654920 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, "rndcoin" < 1440837832 936596 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arghcoin! < 1440838052 605673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the coin for desperate people < 1440838626 635855 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1440838666 634364 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Client Quit < 1440838704 660298 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1440840338 311001 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why all the coins < 1440840722 69291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ZZZcoin < 1440840814 888495 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: because there are too many cryptocurrencies, so it has become hard to come up with new names for them < 1440840864 159588 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's time to stop inventing new cryptocurrencies? :) < 1440840906 568783 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps, but #esoteric is the wrong place for doing that < 1440841305 695839 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --eng-1M < 1440841307 559909 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08tduedcoin < 1440841316 839567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --eng-1M 20 < 1440841318 755005 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04ordcoin 07tvtcoin 08llacoin 09irpetschopolcoin 02omnacoin 06slikeralikcoin 13actumcoin 04alpurecoin 07regulacoin 08wilsoncoin 09isoufepulcoin 02cortycoin 06crossancoin 13aurcoin 04boncoin 07mailcoin 08sultemphaecoin 09exhilocoin 02comiscariancoin 06seecoin < 1440841333 47738 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --esolangs 20 < 1440841334 657892 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13bficoin 04thuecoin 07chefcoin 08l33tcoin 09bitwimpcoin 02poga-intycoin 06owlcoin 13recursecoin 04vercoin 07hypersetlambdacoin 08conveyorcoin 09hexcoin 02aeolboloncoin 06reverginecoin 13qdeqlcoin 04emmentropycoin 07binarycoin 08ztcoin 09parcoin 02brainscoin < 1440841348 872932 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --eng-1M -o 5 20 < 1440841350 780417 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04nicentlauehnecoin 07chrachmukholdcoin 08periedescecoin 09eostraldeyklcoin 02heetlickercoin 06lacementerriscleaguecoin 13gkeitermanisekhjalocoin 04expedgeregocoin 07chatenticcoin 08propotaliercoin 09minulordarchaponcoin 02devitizationecoin 06bliguerineditinantlycoin 13dnquenourycoin 04biberjeeticoin 07exuallopporicoin 08prochen < 1440841352 771746 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --eng-1M -o -10 20 < 1440841354 671520 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09vancoin 02zlccoin 06tarcoin 13jencoin 04inccoin 07marcoin 08envocoin 09silcoin 02honcoin 06anocoin 13isatocoin 04flavatcoin 07baicoin 08aelcoin 09maccoin 02uaucoin 06tzvcoin 13faccoin 04homcoin 07cavcoin < 1440841358 231457 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --eng-1M -o -20 20 < 1440841360 45495 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06gnicoin 13nitcoin 04katcoin 07vincoin 08velcoin 09loscoin 02concoin 06erbcoin 13concoin 04forcoin 07aftcoin 08balcoin 09borcoin 02ruscoin 06rulcoin 13crucoin 04brocoin 07argcoin 08inscoin 09descoin < 1440841363 236567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --eng-1M -o 2 20 < 1440841365 57853 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06bowleycoin 13xultaventcoin 04chiencessimittcoin 07cbycoin 08electawcoin 09deropredichsaycoin 02afarminachecoin 06dightvelyancoin 13exillecontatcoin 04haloitcoin 07waterinamclemcoin 08woodsteratcoin 09exteentriocoin 02unrationcoin 06arklimmtcoin 13aleodontriccoin 04ixokraftilledcoin 07cncharatockcoin 08loquentercoin 09twardc < 1440841376 789884 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --eng-1M -o 10 10 < 1440841378 791538 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13sunsettenitermodkcoin 04stualicefferthtigcoin 07plangkundissitueenacoin 08implaulencurigerecoin 09soutreutschnetcoin 02mallamessedeencoin 06lyoulgaterredcoin 13qughtecheedeliancoin 04ssaffeldometeerafielcoin 07slientariialilitycoin < 1440841380 260337 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is eng-1M < 1440841382 31978 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :?! < 1440841382 86237 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1440841386 253454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: the dictionary used < 1440841390 367967 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the default < 1440841391 71812 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all english words plus like 500,000 non-words? < 1440841411 820825 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: it's not really a dictionary, but some probabilistic model made from English texts < 1440841425 832569 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's prepared earlier, and words dynamically generates words from it < 1440841485 973696 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440841486 28095 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 QUIT :Changing host < 1440841486 28141 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1440841661 281361 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1440842410 347777 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1440842411 351204 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1440842652 248074 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Tuzepoito 5* 10New user account < 1440843398 436702 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-229-180.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1440843440 641823 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1440844061 504892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440845628 925919 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:c095:e98d:7a0f:49f2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440845629 18741 :mauris!~mauris@2601:58a:100:1dbb:c095:e98d:7a0f:49f2 QUIT :Changing host < 1440845629 18803 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1440845664 89581 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-103-0.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1440845775 396285 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-229-180.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1440845778 773975 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-103-0.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1440846121 943506 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1440846229 936177 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1440846285 267675 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-dkpkwnkylxsqgvpz QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1440847123 316573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, bizarre; spam claiming to be from someone with the same name as me, and given the rest of the message and the address it was sent to, I'm pretty sure it happened to pick my name at random rather than knowing who I am < 1440847138 980457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess having a common name means that something like that is statistically going to happen /eventually/ < 1440847472 92966 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440847472 389032 :mauris_!~mauris@c-67-191-112-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1440847472 446525 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1440847657 947534 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440847794 89788 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-103-0.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1440847976 475380 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-tlfphuodjtfzccnv JOIN :#esoteric < 1440848204 577793 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440848240 39821 :llue!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440848240 94174 :llue!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 QUIT :Changing host < 1440848240 94245 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1440848443 926531 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440849198 868110 :boilyphone!~androirc@207.164.135.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440849567 231286 :boilyphone!~androirc@207.164.135.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1440849567 337906 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1440849582 301193 :boilyphone!~androirc@207.164.135.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Expected. I'm not boily. < 1440849668 915827 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boilyphone yo < 1440849668 970278 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1440849707 460712 :boilyphone!~androirc@207.164.135.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Izabellora! < 1440849732 261937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember sending messages to people's alternate nicks in the past < 1440849732 316214 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :boillory! < 1440849740 220990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see how long it would be before they were read < 1440849778 150332 :boilyphone!~androirc@207.164.135.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to be on my phone, at the airport. < 1440849811 961400 :boilyphone!~androirc@207.164.135.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coffee is vital. < 1440849828 270858 :boilyphone!~androirc@207.164.135.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellais523! < 1440850131 697361 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Sp3000 5* 10New user account < 1440850194 298210 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coffee is love. Coffee is life. < 1440850198 472706 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amen < 1440850208 776174 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you going, boilyphone < 1440850215 619826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing… not a spambot < 1440850218 212505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(re the new account) < 1440850236 321824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at the spam filter out of curiosity < 1440850245 850163 :boilyphone!~androirc@207.164.135.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ashellol! Going to Singapore! < 1440850324 151421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, looks like no spambot's got past the CAPTCHA since January < 1440850344 610507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the people who were using human CAPTCHA-breakers gave up on our site, because the spam they were told to post doesn't know how to newlines < 1440850524 818418 :boilyphone!~androirc@207.164.135.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coffee done. Be back in two weeks! < 1440850541 877269 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun < 1440850545 403121 :boilyphone!~androirc@207.164.135.98 QUIT :Quit: PILLAR CHICKEN < 1440850870 99121 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 first iteration of lang generation script done! gonna try and write up a desciption and you can have a look < 1440850870 153440 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1440851515 123499 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnärd. < 1440851616 65972 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo fnärd | loudly < 1440851616 744399 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09f09,04n04,09Ã09,04¤04,09r09,04d < 1440851632 654525 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor unicode support . < 1440852326 967589 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could anybody recommend a good article on writing a proper lexer/parser? < 1440852333 928667 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current approach is a disaster < 1440852452 972477 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a rather broad question < 1440852475 654988 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which language are you using < 1440852555 134076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a fan of lex/yacc < 1440852567 544283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the sense of "they work and do pretty much what you'd expect" < 1440852569 647363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except on Windows < 1440852572 247067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are a pain to use on Windows < 1440852741 12329 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't everything? :P < 1440852747 229324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :them more so than others < 1440852771 104455 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: huh? in what way do they break on windows? < 1440852798 341410 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean if you want to actually run lex/yacc on windows, rather than just build its output < 1440852816 320348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: they don't break, they're just a pain to install and get workign < 1440852818 202363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*working < 1440853251 510898 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry guys wc called < 1440853301 90579 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as i feared it depends on the case which approach is best? < 1440853328 254418 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything always does < 1440853337 23758 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much information < 1440853353 815308 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true ashl i forgot abuot relativity < 1440853376 272227 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have much to learn still < 1440853514 370363 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e no it was the warlock crediter < 1440853578 167630 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :water closets are so impractical. who wants to wear soaked clothes? < 1440853603 216556 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how did they get wet in the first place... < 1440853615 560546 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I see no reason to withdraw my objection. < 1440853619 546379 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by being in the water closet obviously < 1440853642 734969 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer to keep my clothes in a dry closet < 1440853658 281426 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or air closet, either way works, AC/DC you know < 1440853774 574515 :evalj!~jeval@188.6.107.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440854560 90837 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440854560 252142 :lleu!~gnomebad@88.202.254.4 QUIT :Changing host < 1440854560 306564 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1440854629 225242 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1440854629 375515 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io QUIT :*.net *.split < 1440854629 484850 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1440854629 580909 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1440854636 978338 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io JOIN :#esoteric < 1440854645 890741 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1440854685 177718 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1440854697 301145 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :*.net *.split < 1440854708 501507 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1440854738 946910 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1440854753 992567 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1440855790 319320 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-218-70.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1440856309 587652 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03YourDeathIsComing 5* 10New user account < 1440856470 387123 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :three accounts in four hours hm < 1440856635 111248 :Horrorcat!~unknown@unaffiliated/horrorcat JOIN :#esoteric < 1440856643 944833 :Horrorcat!~unknown@unaffiliated/horrorcat PART :#esoteric < 1440856931 699690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't seem like spambot names though < 1440856940 972770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe esolangs.org got linked from somewhere it normally isn't linked from < 1440856954 955372 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess thats possible < 1440856960 885164 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440856976 266052 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no way to see from where users come to the wiki? < 1440856987 912787 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :users/visitors < 1440857005 528261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :server admins can see it, I'm not one of those though < 1440857022 257036 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Print "deadfish"14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43945 5* 03YourDeathIsComing 5* (+576) 10Created page with "Print "Deadfish" is an little extension of the [[Deadfish]] programming language. It adds two new commands: The "h" commands which ends the program and the "a" command which p..." < 1440857029 429638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can theoretically see where edits come from, but I'm not supposed to except if I'm trying to find a spambot's IP to ban it < 1440857078 488305 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough. i guess i also got my answer with that new page hah < 1440857134 407539 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Time < 1440857135 474048 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1440857497 84870 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1440857577 792931 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin_ < 1440857581 399085 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1440857694 60812 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Print "deadfish"14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43946&oldid=43945 5* 03YourDeathIsComing 5* (+6) 10 < 1440857695 319656 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-119-230.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1440857760 512020 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-218-70.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1440857766 135522 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-119-230.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1440857778 553276 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Print "deadfish"14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43947&oldid=43946 5* 03YourDeathIsComing 5* (+133) 10 < 1440858977 234926 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good mroing < 1440859026 180364 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good evoreng < 1440859161 875840 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything on the news this mroing? < 1440859344 447224 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000000000 sheeple are now on facebook < 1440859390 697557 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/28/new_low_point_for_humanity_a_billion_log_on_to_facebook_in_one_day/ < 1440859404 534410 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh < 1440859406 55686 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're being self deprecating right < 1440859420 745752 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do indeed have facebook < 1440859428 441192 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't :B < 1440859429 680341 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god < 1440859441 943113 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I can say that I haven't logged on in a few months < 1440859468 36670 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why thank god < 1440859468 675252 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typically I get all the stuff from facebook thru my email < 1440859587 189102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have Facebook < 1440859599 196754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, a Facebook account < 1440859609 857516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have the website blocked but know how to override the block, just never have seen a reason to < 1440859615 474450 :dipperswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 NICK :tswett < 1440859648 556921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what does the dipperswett nick refer to? < 1440859685 737599 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My nickname at the gaming store I go to. Dipper Swett. < 1440859695 217986 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blocked by what? < 1440859697 951084 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which in turn comes from Gravity Falls. < 1440859699 525033 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ ais523 < 1440859708 413542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: browser preferences < 1440859742 725665 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION idly wonders whether ais523 has his own web browser as well < 1440859749 735214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I set the preferences < 1440859771 91141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't written my own browser (unless you count the occasional manual use of netcat/telnet), but I do use several browsers configured for different purposes < 1440859781 514752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my primary one is pretty locked down to disable things that sites do that annoy me < 1440859786 519521 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the browser have an ad blocker built in or is it some add-on? < 1440859788 571842 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: as well as what? :p < 1440859793 676905 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: IRC client < 1440859798 556231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many websites blocked, no javascript, no animated GIFs… < 1440859803 734035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you're thinking of zzo38 < 1440859811 37496 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it actually usable? < 1440859812 673146 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah damn. < 1440859826 690018 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of turning off js by default but assumed everything would stop working < 1440859827 334981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 uses a web browser I'd never heard of at the time called, IIRC, Vonkeror < 1440859836 6022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: several things do but most of them, you don't care about < 1440859839 427402 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, you're both in the three-letter-followed-by-a-number category. < 1440859846 308041 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you click on a link that leads to Wikia, ais523's browser automatically blocks whatever site the link was on. < 1440859852 168888 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is awful with names < 1440859866 777185 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in real life as well, but faces do help) < 1440859868 357068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: actually no, although that would be amusing < 1440859879 894638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did try to write a Firefox extension at one point to add "?useskin=monobook" at the end of Wikia URLs < 1440859882 511449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gave up eventually < 1440859885 386075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I block cookies too < 1440859895 551310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, put them on manual approval < 1440859896 551133 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should switch to a graphical IRC client and assign avatars to the nicks < 1440859910 240003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly to prove to myself that when websites claim to need cookies, they're lying < 1440859953 465150 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which browser do you use that allows you to do this? :P < 1440859964 425467 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. adblock, noscript, cookiemonster. I should try out ghostery < 1440859997 186566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: Firefox + some extensions < 1440860001 472756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Firefox and had to change the settings and other stuff a lot in order to improve on the default settings, and still isn't as perfect < 1440860004 754724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Chromium to access sites that are shut down by the Firefox restrictions < 1440860011 854535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because most of them are Google sites < 1440860016 793179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seemed fitting < 1440860065 319997 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :EmpressTigressst < 1440860084 121351 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you also annoyed that they implemented an in-browser view for the preferences (fortunately it can still be switched off, but for how long?) < 1440860100 761154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Chromium? that seems mostly like a UI decision < 1440860107 289353 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. < 1440860120 512593 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I meant to ask you. < 1440860122 175382 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Involving many things, including SQL database schemas, file permissions, and even hexediting, but also scripts, CSS, extensions, about:config stuff, and many of the built-in settings < 1440860123 358069 :EmpressTigressst!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1440860367 562076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the in-browser view is a good thing, it means the option dialog isn't modal, and you can put it in a separate window anyway. the part where it has an android/windows8-like interface with no OK/Cancel button and switches that are too easy to change accidentally and then you can't find out what you changed is bad. < 1440860434 173247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example remove all of the close-tab buttons, as well as increasing the width of tabs but decreasing their height, removing all toolbar buttons (including stop/reload/go), I put back the status-bar (which contains the Stylish, Policeman, and download buttons; Greasemonkey can be found in the Tools menu instead), as well as stuff in userChrome.js userChrome.css userContent.css < 1440860459 43584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Many things there are no extensions for, so I can use the userChrome stuff instead) < 1440860488 139140 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that sounds good < 1440860491 310620 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it broke the hotkeys inside the preferences dialog (which isn't really modal anyway, perhaps because my WM ignores some hints) < 1440860520 656344 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, yhat's also the bad part of the android-like interface < 1440860545 704982 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: eg. I hate how commands in windows ribbon bars don't reveal the hotkeys for those commands, so the hotkeys are hard to discover < 1440860554 195616 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I'm also enabling the menu bar in new profiles. So that's another change I'm not suffering much from yet. < 1440860568 915115 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some success because I know from earlier windows how hotkeys are usually layed out, so I can find them by trying < 1440860626 882246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I used userContent.css for global stuff and Stylish for stuff specific to each site; currently the only thing in my userContent.css is a rule for < 1440860696 184846 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow, userChrome.css is much more important to me < 1440860730 898158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, to me too, I have many more things in userChrome.css < 1440860737 885786 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like tabmodalprompt { background: transparent !important } (no, I don't want my content grayed out just because you're displaying a dialog, thank you) < 1440860807 984328 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tgat is a good idea. i might add that < 1440860843 51387 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it prevent all websites graying their content? < 1440860875 107236 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just the (javascript mostly) dialogs, unfortunately < 1440860877 68553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it'll only be websites that use the specific name "tabmodalprompt" < 1440860892 545324 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wondered if they all did < 1440860893 525948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently it's a common one because it's used by some major framework < 1440860898 236866 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, userChrome.css shouldn't affect web-sites at all? < 1440860904 418809 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for xul, right? < 1440860911 503262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have that, but here is my userChrome.css: http://sprunge.us/cCDM < 1440860913 51417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, this would be Firefox's "let's use the DOM to render dialogs" thing < 1440860922 574010 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nvm < 1440860958 541385 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a script to stop sites graying content when displaying ads < 1440860995 856962 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/hPLf ... interestingly, little overlap. but I think I'll steal the transition things. < 1440861057 518325 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, no overlap at all. I'm mostly using it to disable UI elements that I'm not using. < 1440861080 870035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the new tab button hidden using Classic Theme Restorer, so I do not need to disable it in userChrome.css < 1440861108 709986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually many of the things you have disabled in userChrome.css, I was able to remove using Classic Theme Restorer. < 1440861149 849895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, I've never heard of that one < 1440861182 778590 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But some things cannot be removed in that way, so I put them into userChrome.css (I didn't know about userChrome.css until after Classic Theme Restorer was already installed actually, which anyways does other things I want too) < 1440861286 607404 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "navigation[value=gopher-nav]" line has to do with Overbite, which displays a notification that you are viewing a text document; such a notification isn't very useful (it can be seen from the URL as well as just from the content) so I removed it. < 1440861465 90704 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-119-230.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1440861573 778247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my userContent.css is: http://sprunge.us/HPTU < 1440861626 504869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I also have the userChrome.js (which requires an extension to function), which is: http://sprunge.us/GLgF < 1440861731 951983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if you find any of these thing useful to you? Or other opinion of it? < 1440861843 927320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think I noticed a mistake now, it doesn't enable JavaScripts for about and file and chrome schemes like it is supposed to do, it instead just bypasses it, it look like < 1440861938 224101 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "view source" hook looks interesting. I'm not sure what you're doing with the navigatiojn bar < 1440862032 351846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Causes it to treat text entered into the location bar as relative; putting a colon at front restores the original function so that you can use user-defined prefixes such as "w" for Wikipedia and so on. < 1440862074 464107 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1440862086 491238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The window.losslessDecodeURI is made to prevent it from changing percent-encodings into other characters < 1440862191 682224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last part (unknownContentType) does more than adding the view-source option, it also changes the display so that it will now display the actual MIME type and URL rather than just "This is a C file" or whatever < 1440862474 928699 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-35-200.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1440864069 287791 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hijarcane! < 1440864106 605651 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh the annoyancee. when trying to extend the functionality of my lang gen script i realized i might as well use lisp to do what i need < 1440865189 677776 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03T9anef 5* 10New user account < 1440865302 652903 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440865541 920572 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1440865723 795248 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp? < 1440865787 201740 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(def lisp (+ "lots of" "irritating parentheses")) < 1440865801 305036 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait that's not right < 1440865843 861819 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the programming language lisp? < 1440865883 210334 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could probably do what the language i tried designing would do < 1440865921 708938 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i had to scrap the idea < 1440866002 253209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What stuff did you have? < 1440866202 680963 :evalj!~jeval@188.6.107.134 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1440866434 433514 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i compiled my notes here http://pastebin.com/SDT3n8Qq < 1440866464 327158 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2730 characters!!!111 < 1440866478 72229 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second iteration works and is implemented, but lack the features i want. i'm currently working on something that very much resembles lisp but has a few key differences < 1440866503 507507 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what really? where did you see that? < 1440866549 714403 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I was scrolled up < 1440866566 8029 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your notes look like lisp, indeed < 1440866569 42373 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440866761 918063 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, being similar to another language never stopped C++ < 1440866769 343691 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or PHP < 1440866847 946121 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and honestly i'm not trying to make anything new with this < 1440866860 266050 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LOWI < 1440866861 241305 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 291620Z 07009KT 040V100 9999 FEW080 31/17 Q1020 NOSIG < 1440866873 12784 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just domain specific, to meet my needs < 1440866879 429680 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm melting! < 1440867009 992467 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when i think about it, just being syntactically similar to another language doesn't mean it's functionally similar < 1440867019 795440 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :metar lowi? < 1440867028 228023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalem: @metar checks the weather at an airport < 1440867038 687797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the result's somewhat hard to read < 1440867062 291450 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha yeah it mostly looks like pseudo gibberish < 1440867075 771944 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can do < 1440867080 33180 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LAX < 1440867088 261758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :need the four letter code, not the three letter ode < 1440867091 554157 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1440867098 564243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are multiple airport naming standards for some reason < 1440867125 662084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FurryScript also has a few similar features to what you described < 1440867136 334084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KLAX < 1440867136 643655 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KLAX 291553Z 23003KT 9SM FEW270 26/19 A2990 RMK AO2 SLP122 T02560194 $ < 1440867144 978988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how you do it < 1440867146 512303 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh why wont the world just kongregate under one single standard < 1440867153 662316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: is KLAX = LAX, or is it somewhere else? < 1440867162 968254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I would prefer the four-letter (ICAO) codes < 1440867170 667627 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYVR < 1440867170 908854 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYVR 291626Z 09016G29KT 15SM FEW009 SCT013 OVC025 17/15 A2949 RMK SF2SC1SC5 PRESRR SLP986 DENSITY ALT 700FT < 1440867203 536301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a while ago I learned that UK phone number area codes are actually meaningful, rather than arbitrary, in most cases < 1440867213 788562 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1440867213 995337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a few of the newer ones are just arbitrary numbers though) < 1440867219 82150 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: furryscript seems to be of a different domain right, if i haven't gotten all the semantics wrong. < 1440867228 859204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. Birmingham = 0121, the 2 = B for Birmingham < 1440867236 417876 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i never intended to be inspired by furryscript, just the concept < 1440867247 168845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is of a different domain but there is some overlaps < 1440867260 219586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Birmingham gets a single-letter code because it's so large < 1440867264 509305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: O, I didn't know that, but I don't know much about UK telephone number anyways < 1440867304 10933 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's pretty neat actually. makes it easy to decode area codes < 1440867313 110573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dialling_codes_in_the_United_Kingdom lists them all along with the letter translations < 1440867317 962856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last digit's an arbitrary disambiguator < 1440867328 502067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the 01 at the start is part of the syntax < 1440867330 684036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest is text < 1440867340 965442 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what domain would furryscript bnelong to then? < 1440867363 951068 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd really liek to get a good understanding of the different domains < 1440867378 366030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random text generation I suppose < 1440867391 708389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know good understanding of all possible different domains either actually < 1440867418 948177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it has functions to do some other stuff too < 1440867424 923692 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough haha. maybe one of the elders will come along and categorize them < 1440867427 401467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, most of the 0155? numbers are in Wales because of LL < 1440867446 781441 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION maybe thinks functional procedural then? < 1440867477 354361 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i reckon functional has a completely different meaning < 1440867563 57853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"functional" is used by different people to mean different things < 1440867614 423784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalem: Do you know Haskell programming? < 1440867636 794370 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not. in reality i don't know that many languages actually < 1440867688 897207 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you ask btw? in the meantime, i gotta start with the cooking, i'll be back later on < 1440868005 787259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is one of the less controversially functional languages < 1440868016 811702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Agda is probably the least controversially functional?) < 1440868383 17194 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats up ais523 < 1440868399 187877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: just drifting along, mostly < 1440868410 718452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :current things occupying my time are work, computer games, web of lies 2 < 1440868417 165876 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing new to show off? < 1440868428 553514 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what games < 1440868434 301712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tux Racer, most recently < 1440868438 648368 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what is your work < 1440868444 871316 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol tux racer < 1440868448 763519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware compiler development < 1440868450 271808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa, tux racer < 1440868456 595978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't they rename that? < 1440868465 275707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, /extreme/ tux racer < 1440868476 780864 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh i see. i'll have to take a look later < 1440868480 518689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my review of extreme tux racer: the graphics is bad, the level design is questionable, the UI is awkward and could perhaps do with a tutorial < 1440868488 296146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the physics works really well and can make almost any level fun < 1440868513 116956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I was thinking of ppracer. < 1440868513 875132 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like an improvement < 1440868520 994034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently that's a fork. < 1440868524 922231 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :play any closed source games? < 1440868527 474876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: etracer's a fork of ppracer, it seems < 1440868536 902324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: FTL, Neverwinter Nights < 1440868554 816734 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43948&oldid=43738 5* 03YourDeathIsComing 5* (+262) 10 < 1440868556 463785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've held the speedrun WR on Neverwinter Nights on occasion but people better at the game than me took it up < 1440868561 611433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you played _Bureaucracy_? < 1440868564 929327 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. i have FTL. howzit rate among roguelikes? < 1440868567 180794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read an article about it the other day. < 1440868579 340961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I mostly do glitchfinding and routing for it nowadays < 1440868585 180178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I've seen a complete playthough of it < 1440868596 741241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sort of game is more fun to read spoilers for than actually play < 1440868606 686526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: core mechanics are good, some of the balance decisions are questionable < 1440868614 887624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've beaten it with every ship on Hard, by this point < 1440868621 434852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I moved onto Easy < 1440868628 331856 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1440868661 816970 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a better roguelike? whats a worse? < 1440868666 841892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I didn't get very far in FTL. < 1440868680 220548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: do you mean in terms of being a better game, or being better at being a roguelike < 1440868691 710264 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :game < 1440868699 976280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FTL's only sort-of a roguelike < 1440868704 84811 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1440868710 224527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's balanced like one and it uses permadeath+random generation < 1440868715 560875 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so are most of the ones ive played < 1440868735 287643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it violates one of the major roguelike rules (use your game mechanics for everything, don't just have situations decided by cutscene) < 1440868768 189008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the advantage of permadeath? < 1440868797 828544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like cutscenes anyways, whether or not it is the roguelike game < 1440868836 169692 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just display a screen of text (scrollable if necessary) < 1440868837 242868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: perma-consequences (i.e. no rewinding the game) allows you to introduce game mechanics that don't work in its absence < 1440868844 601356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as choices with unpredictable outcomes < 1440868845 729707 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :were it not for permadeath what would be the point of RG levels? < 1440868851 957236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :permadeath is the easiest way to implement perma-consequences < 1440868877 420731 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1440868894 721941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true. < 1440868908 646618 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1440868919 787630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it worth the frustration? < 1440868973 429848 :aretecode!~aretecode@209.58.131.5 QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo < 1440869016 928355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't like permadeath you can make a shell-script to remove it, maybe < 1440869021 500016 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :another advantage is you always have to be playing, you cant ever assume anything. if you had checkpoints, youd know what was coming and could switch your strategy mind off until you get back to where you were. if it were about remembering what happened before and deciding how to survive, itd be a puzzle-platformer < 1440869043 932846 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the frustration is a feature not a bug < 1440869048 456585 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy it < 1440869085 286147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas with permadeath, if there's a hard part in the middle of the game, you have to spend hours getting to that hard part each time before dying and having to start over. < 1440869102 575815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: IMO games with permadeath should frontload difficulty because of that < 1440869108 854317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least be short < 1440869130 695763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the permadeath feature is good, but I did make the suggestion just in case you did not like it < 1440869133 186677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in FTL, the start of the game is the hardest, and you can die later on but you can normally tell you're doomed a long time beforehand < 1440869141 185062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that the very end of the game is much harder than the rest < 1440869151 648452 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they are about the rising dread and moments of sheer terror < 1440869153 635462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this is true of NetHack too. < 1440869156 878694 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. amnesia < 1440869174 554914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yep, NetHack's difficulty is frontloaded, arguably too frontloaded < 1440869176 562976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the things that Crawl people advertise is "hard all the way through, not only at the beginning". < 1440869189 481772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: they might advertise it but it isn't actually true < 1440869212 373389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crawl's difficulty is also front-loaded < 1440869265 330766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the adventure game design philosophy that it's impossible to make the game unwinnable. < 1440869284 189029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course that's mostly used in games that are pretty much deterministic. < 1440869289 575019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's actually not that common among adventure games, it's more of a recent thing < 1440869295 848456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, one advantage of permadeath is that unwinnable states are less bad < 1440869302 902995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's equivalent to dying < 1440869313 196135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas in a game with a normal save system, saving in an unwinnable state is much /worse/ than dying < 1440869315 199860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It was true in e.g. Money Island. Not all that recent. < 1440869331 354472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it happens in some older games too but it's become more common over time < 1440869338 533221 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have yet to start the monkey islands < 1440869347 322199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: In the Discworld game, you had two "passes" into the castle per act, or something like that. If you used both of them too early, you'd be stuck much later in the game. < 1440869370 824797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was very frustrating, especially if you overwrote your earlier save file. < 1440869372 962086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: pretty much every old text adventure is like that < 1440869374 12284 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :adventure games arent my forte, but ill play them anyway sometimes < 1440869395 429946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a good TV Tropes article about this but I won't link it because TV Tropes < 1440869400 955152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the trouble is that you can't tell that you're in an unwinnable state. < 1440869421 766462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it seems worse than -- oh, now I see what you meant. < 1440869423 519075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have prefer to make, you can just make multiple save files, so in case you get into the unwinnable situation then you can restore a different save file. < 1440869500 328987 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1440869553 422363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I really buy the argument. < 1440869576 101145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes an unreachable state in a permadeath palatable is that the game is short enough and/or has frontloaded enough difficulty that you don't mind restarting. < 1440869577 901594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with FTL, there are very few situations outside combat that are unwinnable with perfect luck < 1440869584 774511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But all that does is restrict you from making a big game. < 1440869592 449633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but many, many situations where your chance of being able to complete the game with perfect skill is less than 100% < 1440869617 47591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: deaths in permadeath games are just as unpalatable as unwinnable states, though, and for the same reason < 1440869627 188870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO the correct solution is to give players a chance to bail out and try again later < 1440869943 915816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to make SQL-roguelike game < 1440870128 151281 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In touhou, if you lose you can continue where you were, but your score is reset to 0 < 1440870151 353545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many other games that do that too < 1440870395 586973 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most modern games don't tend to feature a "score" as a central thing < 1440870424 223005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Enlightenment_ was a good one-room text-based adventure game. < 1440870427 553278 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a game where you're reincarnated as you die? as in your decisions and skills etc determine the basis of the reincarnated char? < 1440870701 733597 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Tactics Ogre: the Knight of Lodis, a turn based strategy game, you can ressurect a dead character in various ways, including as a zombie or an angel, which makes them retain their stats < 1440870976 387444 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1440871010 873257 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :close but not quite < 1440871026 577370 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1440871608 835097 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43949&oldid=43948 5* 03YourDeathIsComing 5* (+547) 10 < 1440871622 310543 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/118130140.png < 1440871936 189556 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for whatever reason stage 4 is always a problem < 1440872011 78826 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:YourDeathIsComing14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43950 5* 03YourDeathIsComing 5* (+146) 10Created page with "Hi, I´m YourDeathIsComing a created the esoteric programming language [[Print "deadfish"]].
I also made an batch implementation of deadfish." < 1440872046 835630 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:YourDeathIsComing14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43951&oldid=43950 5* 03YourDeathIsComing 5* (+1) 10 < 1440872286 570185 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-73-162.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1440872374 917106 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-35-200.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440872386 570305 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-73-162.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1440872700 490334 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1440872886 316721 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1440873339 936209 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1440873441 793597 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Client Quit < 1440873466 380562 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:YourDeathIsComing14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43952&oldid=43951 5* 03YourDeathIsComing 5* (+4) 10 < 1440873515 633766 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1440873791 358412 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1440873805 656998 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1440873812 497892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry there was a short power outage < 1440874683 844346 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1440874891 587991 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1440875932 640936 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1440876039 631084 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1440876186 557 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1440876484 758741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1440876654 468211 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07DoubleFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43953&oldid=40014 5* 03173.31.84.122 5* (+13) 10/* Examples */ < 1440876906 138729 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1440877260 641783 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440877443 619283 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1440877997 824024 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero < 1440878118 152866 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440878342 543463 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-73-162.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1440878891 226002 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF932A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1440878901 256944 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good afnoon < 1440878912 155870 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF932A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning < 1440878983 243546 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good evening < 1440878997 954623 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF932A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :UGT, you guys! < 1440879004 200642 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UGT? < 1440879032 409549 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's it still the morning... < 1440879158 846993 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF932A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#fst < 1440879321 401860 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never heard of that before < 1440879340 581046 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF932A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you have < 1440879342 881904 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1440881171 104104 :aretecode!~aretecode@209.58.131.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440881298 792937 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07GOTO++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43954&oldid=33647 5* 03Tuzepoito 5* (+10631) 10update and development < 1440881387 494568 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1440881572 472278 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1440883048 637483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440883420 574227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :callforjudgement < 1440883423 727006 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1440884371 197712 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got a new CRT tv < 1440884378 78752 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRT? why? < 1440884392 108635 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was on the sidewalk and unattended < 1440884412 793876 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not nailed down < 1440884423 139128 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work? < 1440884432 123051 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, works great < 1440884440 773933 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1440884444 712637 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then < 1440884449 169726 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'll have a tv in my room < 1440884461 768947 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably someone was just moving it and had to leave it there for a split second and you stole it < 1440884485 998289 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1440884510 4887 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now they're probably putting out posters imploring people to help find it < 1440884515 916267 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the next door neighbours will tell me if that's the case, it was in front of their house < 1440884594 903166 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440884700 604815 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're too distraught to figure out it was you < 1440884802 126585 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a while back, someone used the phrase "coffee with butter in". I wouldn't say that phrase, I'd say "coffee with butter in it". < 1440884823 173346 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1440884837 107526 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can say "in" instead of "in it" in some circumstances: for example, "a VCR with a tape in". < 1440884850 566778 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that led me to wonder what the rule is for when you can just say "in" rather than "in it". < 1440884856 994774 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likewise, when you can just say "on" instead of "on it". < 1440884865 991392 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF932A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART :#esoteric < 1440884871 743718 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never seen than < 1440884876 765350 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1440884883 552228 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've never seen what? < 1440884888 702163 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I have release a new font version ⱠⱡⱢⱣⱤⱥⱦⱧⱨⱩⱪⱫⱬⱭⱮⱯ < 1440884891 661338 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ⱰⱱⱲⱳⱴⱵⱶⱷⱸⱹⱺⱻⱼⱽⱾⱿ < 1440884902 99733 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a guess as to what the rule is. < 1440884902 878788 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm < 1440884921 98403 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your guess as to what the rule is < 1440884921 737524 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say "in" or "on" when the object's location is implied by the type of object; otherwise, you have to say "in it" or "on it". < 1440884947 98980 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you say "the hat is on", that implies that it's on a person's head. So if you say "the person has a hat on", the hat is on their head. < 1440884964 637903 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you say "the person has a hat on them", that implies that the hat is on them *somewhere*, not necessarily on their head. < 1440884995 730719 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you say "the batteries are in", that implies that they're in the battery chamber of a battery-powered device. So you can say "this flashlight has batteries in", but not "this cardboard box has batteries in". < 1440885020 849966 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soudns plausible < 1440885058 561039 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1440885176 392508 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm getting pretty close to finishing the design of my script. would you mind taking a look later and see what you think? < 1440885214 960472 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1440885255 565103 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I may; notify me < 1440885704 632095 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1440885874 784582 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: next you'll tell us that when somebody is carrying a torch it might be in their backpack. < 1440885929 448091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: to be fair, my interpretation of "carrying a torch" didn't imply it was in their hands < 1440885950 41284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mentally substituted "wielding a torch" to imply it was in the hands, but that'd probably just confuse non-NetHack-players < 1440886003 62925 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, the idiomatic phrase has "the" instead of "a", making it harder to misunderstand < 1440886014 291862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the torch lit or not? < 1440886027 831008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is it an electric torch or a flaming-fire torch? < 1440886033 761977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: bedtime < 1440886045 507803 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1440886076 321019 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's lit, it's illuminating the path for the rest of the group. why am I explaining this...) < 1440886192 417459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether or not it is electric doesn't seem to have much to do with that though, but you won't carry it in the pack if it is lit either way it seems, if it is not lit you might or might not < 1440886255 382729 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-73-162.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1440886751 445373 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Labyrinth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43955&oldid=43940 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+217) 10add new command < 1440886893 60803 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1440886907 580589 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Labyrinth14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43956&oldid=43955 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (-16) 10/* Commands */ < 1440887133 697534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1440887658 78152 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good news, everyone! < 1440887660 631700 :|f`-`|f_!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1440887664 372445 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly You can now invoke `loudly like this! < 1440887665 45250 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09Y09,04o04,09u09,04 04,09c09,04a04,09n09,04 04,09n09,04o04,09w09,04 04,09i09,04n04,09v09,04o04,09k09,04e04,09 09,04`04,09l09,04o04,09u09,04d04,09l09,04y04,09 09,04l04,09i09,04k04,09e09,04 04,09t09,04h04,09i09,04s04,09! < 1440887781 410954 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'But the old way still works, too!' | loudly < 1440887782 224243 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09B09,04u04,09t09,04 04,09t09,04h04,09e09,04 04,09o09,04l04,09d09,04 04,09w09,04a04,09y09,04 04,09s09,04t04,09i09,04l04,09l09,04 04,09w09,04o04,09r09,04k04,09s09,04,04,09 09,04t04,09o09,04o04,09! < 1440887890 969872 :|f`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1440887895 916638 :|f`-`|f_!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net NICK :|f`-`|f < 1440887936 84031 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dneuadtgayawclgl JOIN :#esoteric < 1440888198 642060 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:12314]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43957 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+217) 10Created page with "The spec seems to be ambiguous as to whether bit 0 or 7 is the least significant one when reading or writing. --~~~~" < 1440888358 667136 :Red_!656280e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.98.128.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1440888412 597272 :Red_!656280e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.98.128.231 PART :#esoteric < 1440888575 487633 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:12314]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43958&oldid=43957 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+80) 10 < 1440888999 150184 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1440889179 449868 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07DoubleFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43959&oldid=43953 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+6) 10Refixed formatting and the "hello world" now works < 1440892185 288084 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1440892194 698655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made Minesweeper game to keep track of the best time and best score and win rate. < 1440892243 397961 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric