00:00:24 Taneb: corollary 00:00:42 That is the word 00:00:54 the "has" did not help 00:01:23 Hmm, that statement may be a conjecture 00:02:19 Taneb: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%27s_sum_of_powers_conjecture which is alas false 00:02:30 15.05.29:16:32:58 shachaf: ityarfo 00:03:32 :( 00:03:59 halo 00:04:20 15.05.29:16:29:41 haven't you americanized your grade system yet 00:04:25 "Euler's conjecture was disproven by L. J. Lander and T. R. Parkin in 1966 when, through a direct computer search on a CDC 6600, they found a counterexample for k = 5." I wonder if real mathematicians lamented on the impertinence of these young computerfolk, that they'd so rudely disprove someone's conjencture not through proper thinking but just a mechanical contrivance. 00:04:31 15.05.29:16:31:37 oerjan: itym americanised hth 00:04:37 this is great 00:04:55 Maybe it's something weird like you need n+1 summands for the power of the nth prime 00:05:10 @messages 00:05:52 shachaf: is that "i think you are right for once" 00:06:13 that's actually a good question, it could be. <-- my impression a while ago was that UD entries are at least as likely to be about sex as to be accurate 00:06:16 mauris: why are you asking me 00:06:41 oerjan: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dbelange 00:06:47 oerjan: so depending on the amount of overlap it could all be correct? yay! 00:06:48 well you remembered this happening and ørjan didn't! 00:07:00 -!- function has changed nick to trout. 00:07:17 mauris: I suspect oerjan remembered it happening, just not the specific abbreviation. 00:07:32 isn't that righterjan 00:08:30 . o O ( aiming for s/rfo/rft/ ?! ) 00:09:22 it's a long way to from rfo to raa (right as always) 00:09:45 shachaf: is that "i think you are right for once" <-- that's my guess too hth 00:09:59 int-e: ...make that twice 00:10:14 eh 00:10:16 that's not a copy-and-paste quote, it's just what i remember oerjan saying 00:10:22 because i already deleted the logs hth 00:10:41 15.05.29:16:33:19 ...make that twice 00:10:46 shachaf: "thrice" has a t, too 00:11:24 shachaf: i didn't remember until you pasted hth 00:11:36 oerjan: i don't paste hth, i always type it 00:11:38 int-e, so does Taneb, if you'll allow some narcissistic non-sequitur 00:11:55 `thanks Taneb 00:11:55 Taneb: so does Bertram 00:11:55 Thanks, Taneb. Thaneb. 00:11:56 Taneb: right for taneb? 00:12:02 Yes 00:12:08 A perfect match 00:12:23 shachaf: I meant as a first letter. 00:12:27 but yeah 00:12:28 I know what you meant. 00:12:36 I do prefer the Oxford spelling 00:12:38 int-e has a t as well 00:12:48 and Nathan 00:12:52 but it has a negative number of 'e's 00:13:18 It is kind of weird seeing "Nathan" in IRC 00:13:43 `thanks Nathan 00:13:44 Thanks, Nathan. Thathan. 00:13:54 `thanks Theo 00:13:55 Thanks, Theo. Theo. 00:15:05 `thanks Tom Hanks 00:15:06 Thanks, Tom Hanks. Thom Hanks. 00:15:36 `thanks Banks 00:15:37 Thanks, Banks. Thanks. 00:15:44 I was watching a pair of otters, and somehow the name "Harry P. Otter" hasn't left my brain since. 00:15:51 `thanks blunder 00:15:52 Thanks, blunder. Thunder. 00:16:07 If people kept otters as pets, I'm pretty sure someone would give a pet otter that name. 00:16:32 Hairy P. Otter 00:17:02 thanks t 00:17:52 Taneb: oh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat_cubic 00:18:17 Thanks 00:18:27 I am going to go to bed now, though 00:18:33 I have a train to catch in the morning! 00:18:35 Which it is! 00:18:41 So I should sleep between then and now 00:18:43 so start running 00:18:49 :P 00:18:57 Train's not for another 9 hours 00:19:00 good night 00:19:05 G'night 00:19:15 "Is your refrigerator in a train? Then you'd better catch it." Prank calls gone wrong. 00:19:31 `thanks thanks 00:19:31 Thanks, thanks. Thanks. 00:19:39 . o O ( somehow this amuses me too much ) 00:19:47 fizzie: there's a channel for that hth 00:19:55 `thanks X 00:19:56 Thanks, X. T. 00:20:01 `learn I was watching a pair of otters, and somehow the name "Harry P. Otter" hasn't left my brain since. 00:20:04 Learned '': I was watching a pair of otters, and somehow the name "Harry P. Otter" hasn't left my brain since. 00:20:10 help 00:20:11 um oops 00:20:15 `revert 00:20:16 tdnh 00:20:20 I 00:20:20 rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. 00:20:26 `forget 00:20:26 `addquote I was watching a pair of otters, and somehow the name "Harry P. Otter" hasn't left my brain since. 00:20:27 rm: cannot remove `wisdom/': Is a directory \ Forget what? 00:20:29 1253) I was watching a pair of otters, and somehow the name "Harry P. Otter" hasn't left my brain since. 00:20:30 fizzie: Hey, what's with that? 00:20:37 shachaf: I still haven't fixed it. 00:20:39 fizzie: Fix the canary.orig thing! twh 00:20:47 fizzie: the world holds its breath 00:20:48 `cat bin/forget 00:20:48 ​#!/bin/sh \ rm "wisdom/$(echo "$1" | tr A-Z a-z)" \ echo "Forget what?" 00:20:58 shachaf: But I think it is still reverting, I saw someone revert and it seemed to work. 00:21:01 Fuck my leg. 00:21:39 `forget 00:21:41 Forget what? 00:22:04 int-e: it was reverted a long time ago hth 00:22:09 shachaf: it wasn't. 00:22:10 or was it? 00:22:14 help 00:22:21 It doesn't seem to have been. 00:22:28 (I checked) 00:22:34 But I distinctly saw someone do `revert and then something was no longer there. So weird. 00:22:54 There's an int-e `revert 11 days ago which did a change. 00:22:58 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/e12c9660a9e7 00:23:23 I have no idea why oerjan's revert did nothing. Perhaps it's gone nondeterministic. 00:23:35 Because it still printed the error. 00:24:10 fizzie: yes, its quite erratic 00:24:19 it's 00:24:32 `? equals 00:24:33 equals? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:24:41 `? equality 00:24:42 equality? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:25:07 `` ln -s equals wisdom/equals 00:25:10 No output. 00:25:21 oh that won't work... stupid plurals 00:25:47 `` rm wisdom/equals; ln -s equal wisdom/equal 00:25:49 No output. 00:25:50 `? equals 00:25:51 equals? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:25:55 `? equal 00:25:56 equal? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:27:34 `? 00:27:35 wipes the floor with 00:27:49 another accident? 00:28:22 fizzie: i think it's something to do with file creation not reverting properly, and being inconsistent between the repo and the actual directory 00:28:26 `culprits wisdom/\ 00:28:27 oerjan elliott oerjan 00:28:38 i'm not sure which one ends up winning in the end 00:29:15 `culprits wisdom/ 00:29:17 ZombieCheney 00:29:20 `rm wisdom/ 00:29:21 No output. 00:30:50 oh that won't work... stupid plurals <-- it checks the exact filename first hth 00:31:33 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 00:31:54 there are some entries that have both 00:31:56 `? monoid 00:31:57 Monoids are just categories with a single object. 00:31:58 `? monoids 00:31:59 Monoids are the easy version of categories. 00:32:50 `` cd wisdom; find . -type l -print0 | xargs -0 ls -ld 00:32:52 lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 9 Aug 13 11:11 ./canary -> ../canary \ lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 5 Aug 29 00:25 ./equal -> equal \ lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 9 Apr 15 07:51 ./issue -> .doorstop \ lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 4 Apr 15 07:52 ./koen_ -> koen \ lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 24 Apr 15 07:52 ./perpetuum mobile -> perpetual motion machine \ lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 18 Aug 13 11:11 . 00:33:29 `rm wisdom/equal 00:33:31 No output. 00:33:57 `` ls -ld wisdom/reflection 00:33:58 lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 18 Aug 13 11:11 wisdom/reflection -> /proc/self/cmdline 00:35:09 i surely thought the symbolic links would have been killed off (they don't survive `reverts well either) 00:36:25 `? roujo's relevant info 00:36:26 That information is stored in an unnamed metal cabinet in one of the top floors of an obscure administrative building with a number that you probably never heard of. 00:36:57 this one made me stop and wonder... how big is the smallest natural number that you've never read or heard in your life? 00:46:14 int-e: if i knew that, my head would collapse into a tiny black hole 00:53:12 mauris: https://gist.github.com/ion1/5957723 hth 00:55:39 I don't know because such thing is difficult to remember, and then it would probably be wrong after that anyways 00:56:41 stalem: right, but I'm really looking for a statistical basis for an estimate. 00:59:52 And I believe there's good reason to expect the number to be fairly low (somewhere under 10000) because we have a tendency to round numbers larger than a few hundred. 01:00:57 i'm probably understanding this wrongly. the way i see it, if i knew which number it wasn't, it's suddenly no longer the smallest big number i _haven't_ heard or seen 01:01:04 * int-e is discounting raw computer output (not summarized by humans) 01:01:23 lest the discovery of said number then imposes the epiphany of which number it is 01:03:05 stalem: which is why I'm not asking for a precise answer. 01:03:40 well i know it's over a googolplex 01:03:58 so i guess a googolplex + 1 is my answer hth 01:04:03 you must be very old 01:04:10 * stalem hopes he's doing the hth thing right 01:04:14 why is that? 01:06:29 Because even if you read numbers really fast... say 10 per second... without sleep... in a hundred years... you can read 32 billion (10^9) numbers. So some of the first 33 billion numbers must certainly be missing. 01:07:23 no wait a minute, rereading the question i think i've got it really really wrong 01:07:42 aka "backwards" 01:07:45 sorry it's getting late, i'm not sure i can provide you with a sensible answer really hah 01:07:56 that's ok 01:08:00 yes backwards is a suitable expression 01:08:19 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:08:34 i have a tendency for that nowadays it seems 01:08:43 It's really a question to be contemplated rather than actually answered. 01:09:14 yeah, i think i actually will once i've rested 01:09:40 the answer is 10893, no wait 11050, no wait ... 01:09:45 :-) 01:09:57 oerjan: you'll grow tired of this game soon enough 01:10:15 faster than you'd expect 01:10:45 -!- ProofTechnique has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 01:26:58 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 01:31:19 -!- ProofTechnique has joined. 01:38:23 if s and t are strings 01:38:37 s+t is their concatenation 01:38:59 s-t is s with all instances of t removed 01:40:05 s/t is s split on each instance of t 01:41:07 hmm 01:41:33 p. sure s*t should be concatenation hth 01:42:24 by that logic then, if A is an array, A*t is a single string with each member of A separated with t 01:42:51 ["] 01:43:20 ["foo","bar","baz"]*"," = "foo,bar,baz" 01:43:47 "foo,bar,baz"/"," = ["foo","bar","baz"] 01:50:16 -!- ProofTechnique has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:53:55 oren: but what if B is another array of strings and you do A*B? 01:54:58 would that be a single string of every member of A separated by each member of B? 01:55:57 such that ["foo","bar"]*[",","."] = "foo,barfoo.bar" ? 01:57:55 maybe? 02:02:14 oren: that is how Array * String works in Ruby! 02:02:47 -!- boily has joined. 02:02:48 (and GolfScript extended the pattern to Array / String like you did) 02:04:40 hellørjan! 02:06:32 @massages-loud 02:06:32 oerjan said 2h 48m 9s ago: The saucepan is also ancient hth 02:06:49 a saucepancient, if you will. 02:07:48 boʎily 02:12:34 -!- bb010g has joined. 02:26:33 -!- boily has quit (Quit: DISTANT CHICKEN). 02:31:18 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 02:52:23 -!- rdococ has joined. 03:00:59 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDream. 03:01:09 -!- stalem has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 03:14:40 -!- copumpkin has joined. 03:17:33 How can you use the CSS :before and :after selectors with tags? 03:20:27 I want to be able to replace a picture with some text by using a CSS code 03:38:51 [wiki] [[Talk:Folder]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43944&oldid=43894 * Rdococ * (+113) /* Computational class up for debate */ 04:01:42 -!- Tod-Autojoined has joined. 04:04:10 -!- trout has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 04:04:59 -!- TodPunk has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:13:04 -!- rdococ has left. 04:13:10 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 05:28:18 what is ʎ used for? 05:28:35 other than "(x x)(x x).xʎ" 05:28:35 probably ipa 05:28:52 `unidecode ʎ 05:28:55 yes, ipa 05:28:56 ​[U+028E LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED Y] 05:29:01 it's the spanish ll sound 05:29:25 IPA loves to mangle existing letter shapes 05:29:26 a voiced lateral approximant, according to unicode 05:30:20 think /l/ but don't actually block off any airflow with your tongue 05:31:04 is it ok if i actually block air while i'm thinking of this? 05:31:11 according to IPA it's a palatal approximant specifically 05:32:12 it's also the American "lli" in "million" apparently, in some areas 05:33:03 like filet miGNon? 05:36:14 champagner should be more known, i guess 05:37:48 newsham: no 05:43:34 I finally got a score above 100 million 05:50:07 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:54:59 in what? 05:55:17 that's not a very high score if you're playing poker with zimbabwe dollars 05:55:18 capitalism? ;-) 05:55:39 What is it the score in? 05:58:05 Even if you do play poker though it should probably be with poker chips (if you have any) 06:05:51 How do I program what error code Apache will response for some file? I want to make /favicon.ico to result in 410 instead of 404 06:05:54 blah, my disjunctivitis is acting up again 06:11:18 Touhou 06:11:37 touhou 14 06:12:15 newsham: hewsham 06:12:23 it isn't very good but it is progress 06:14:40 -!- llue has joined. 06:14:40 -!- llue has quit (Changing host). 06:14:40 -!- llue has joined. 06:17:53 -!- lleu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 06:32:28 shachaf, oerjan, wonder if the IFCC blocked Vaarsuvius from telling Roy not to destroy the gate is so that Hel could make this move, are Hel and IFCC co-operating in any way? 06:36:06 As I had expected, the DVI compresses much better than the PDF (although the PDF is already compressed, but even then it is much larger than the compressed size of a DVI file) 06:40:59 -!- erdic has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:42:07 -!- lambdabot has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 06:46:01 Sgeo: i also wondered about that 06:46:09 but i'm not assuming it 06:46:37 oerjan: what's your prediction twh 06:46:58 oerjan: By the way, even if Veldrina disappears presumably there would still be a tie. 06:47:01 after a few attempts, my predictions don't seem that good 06:47:18 shachaf: why? 06:47:40 oh hm 06:47:43 Because you have one set of gods voting no and one set voting yes (with the demigods). 06:48:03 right, so then they'll have to look at the tie-breaking for _that_ 06:48:09 Yep. 06:48:42 Funny that an individual northern god has more influence than a whole pantheon. 06:49:13 however, Hel would already know about the snarl before the IFCC did 06:49:33 at least its existence 06:49:40 -!- erdic has joined. 06:49:41 Who's to say they didn't know about it already? 06:49:56 well it was pretty implied sabine told them 06:50:03 after nale told her 06:50:13 -!- lambdabot has joined. 06:50:22 They haven't been known to be particularly forthcoming about what they already know. 06:50:47 indeed, they are uncharacterically competent for villains 06:50:55 *+ist+ 06:52:23 i don't think it's meaningful to speculate 06:52:54 vaarsuvius tried to guess and it didn't make sense to him why they would 06:53:16 whoa whoa whoa, a gendered pronoun from you, in this situation? 06:53:20 oops 06:54:19 i guess i don't really find vaarsuvius very androgynous, really 06:55:27 also, it seems like the IFCC would _not_ be cooperating with the goblin god 06:55:41 since that one _wants_ access to an undamaged gate 06:56:52 goblins for the goblin god 06:58:28 also, i wouldn't be surprised if redcloak is deceived about what that god actually wants 06:58:49 What would be the motivation? 06:59:01 although i haven't read any of the extra oots books 06:59:38 what if you take a c-like language and recursion is allowed but you only allow global variables and the only loop form is for (x in list) { } 06:59:42 is it still turing complete? 06:59:50 shachaf: well miko claimed the god just wants to annihilate everything, and redcloak said she didn't know what she was talking about. but what if she's right? 07:00:14 izabera: wouldn't that be the while language? 07:00:21 what is it? 07:00:41 oh ofc, someone else alreeady invented it 07:00:51 afaik a single endless loop (which can be made by appending to list every time) is enough to be tc 07:01:15 with if and the likes, of course 07:01:16 lists are finite 07:01:28 you cannot append to a list? 07:01:35 well no 07:01:44 i mean you could but let's say no 07:01:44 -!- mitchs has joined. 07:01:51 oerjan: you mean in 371? 07:02:14 was just about to link 07:02:17 yes 07:02:18 could i do for (x in list) { do something; list = [1,1]; }? 07:02:20 myname: let's say that when you start the for loop, the elements are expanded so they don't reference the variables anymore, they're just a list and it's finite 07:02:46 i suppose that may not mean quite that 07:03:02 well, for (x in list) { for (x in list) { ... } list = [1,1] } 07:03:13 espanding on the inner loop is no longer a problem 07:03:18 *ex 07:03:22 neat 07:03:33 but 07:03:36 oerjan: please refer to panel 6 of page 2 of comic 406 hth 07:03:43 myname: you can only expand it a finite number of times 07:03:58 == the number of iterations of the outer for loop 07:04:39 you could get exponential growth, but i'm not quite sure about infinity 07:07:53 shachaf: OKAY 07:08:58 izabera: ifnrecorsuion is allowed, why donkt you just main() { ...; main(); } 07:09:09 *if recursion 07:09:10 damn 07:09:12 oh 07:09:19 cool :D 07:09:26 thanks 07:10:04 the for could be used to model if, in case that's not present 07:11:00 if is there :P 07:11:17 so recursion is magic 07:12:58 well, in reality i cannot imagine why you should expand lists at the beginning of for loops 07:18:45 oerjan: but i suppose it's possible 07:24:25 myname: it already happens, one example is awk 07:24:50 lists could be immutable, too 07:26:41 `awk BEGIN { a[0]=1; i=10; for (x in a) { a[i++]=1234 ; print i, x , a[x] } for (x in a) { a[i++]=1234 ; print i, x , a[x] } } 07:26:43 11 0 1 \ 12 10 1234 \ 13 0 1 07:27:28 ^ the first loop runs once, the second runs twice, both are adding elements to that list 07:50:25 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:29:12 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 08:32:24 -!- x10A94 has joined. 08:38:02 @tell augur i will never be icelandic! <-- don't worry, the declension is all wrong, being one of those rare icelandic words that _don't_ end in -r hth 08:38:02 Consider it noted. 08:39:30 `coins 08:39:35 ​aspiracoin tinecoin rposisteparkcoin 21321acoin ogelcoin fertcoin raintendibcoin v--coin proceryncoin aeolicoin cholbercoin hcbcoin rebesyzcoin recodcoin omecoin monodcoin selcoin trasscoin stafncoin biocoin 08:42:28 "biocoin" 08:42:30 `coins 08:42:32 ​xandcoin ><>coin wikcoin nybergcoin produnchcoin unsburcoin formentcoin sukucoin arcacoin bytagcoin focadcoin wakcoin boathcoin aviacoin noilancoin bthopperloadcoin preturgcoin zethacoin clacoin linecoin 08:42:48 ah, wikcoin and wakcoin 08:43:13 and aviacoin 08:43:14 nice 08:43:15 `coins 08:43:17 ​phffe7coin malculocoin rndcoin trolacoin javarcoin sockzcoin infulbrearcoin excogncoin 6ixcoin blazlecoin *wcoin miiendacoin piet-qcoin memocoin lkjcoin nomilezcoin dnncoin petecoin raaluaredgecoin arghcoin 08:43:37 hehe, "rndcoin" 08:43:52 arghcoin! 08:47:32 the coin for desperate people 08:57:06 -!- Frooxius has joined. 08:57:46 -!- Frooxius has quit (Client Quit). 08:58:24 -!- Frooxius has joined. 09:25:38 why all the coins 09:32:02 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: ZZZcoin). 09:33:34 ashl: because there are too many cryptocurrencies, so it has become hard to come up with new names for them 09:34:24 perhaps it's time to stop inventing new cryptocurrencies? :) 09:35:06 perhaps, but #esoteric is the wrong place for doing that 09:41:45 `coins --eng-1M 09:41:47 ​tduedcoin 09:41:56 `coins --eng-1M 20 09:41:58 ​ordcoin tvtcoin llacoin irpetschopolcoin omnacoin slikeralikcoin actumcoin alpurecoin regulacoin wilsoncoin isoufepulcoin cortycoin crossancoin aurcoin boncoin mailcoin sultemphaecoin exhilocoin comiscariancoin seecoin 09:42:13 `coins --esolangs 20 09:42:14 ​bficoin thuecoin chefcoin l33tcoin bitwimpcoin poga-intycoin owlcoin recursecoin vercoin hypersetlambdacoin conveyorcoin hexcoin aeolboloncoin reverginecoin qdeqlcoin emmentropycoin binarycoin ztcoin parcoin brainscoin 09:42:28 `coins --eng-1M -o 5 20 09:42:30 ​nicentlauehnecoin chrachmukholdcoin periedescecoin eostraldeyklcoin heetlickercoin lacementerriscleaguecoin gkeitermanisekhjalocoin expedgeregocoin chatenticcoin propotaliercoin minulordarchaponcoin devitizationecoin bliguerineditinantlycoin dnquenourycoin biberjeeticoin exuallopporicoin prochen 09:42:32 `coins --eng-1M -o -10 20 09:42:34 ​vancoin zlccoin tarcoin jencoin inccoin marcoin envocoin silcoin honcoin anocoin isatocoin flavatcoin baicoin aelcoin maccoin uaucoin tzvcoin faccoin homcoin cavcoin 09:42:38 `coins --eng-1M -o -20 20 09:42:40 ​gnicoin nitcoin katcoin vincoin velcoin loscoin concoin erbcoin concoin forcoin aftcoin balcoin borcoin ruscoin rulcoin crucoin brocoin argcoin inscoin descoin 09:42:43 `coins --eng-1M -o 2 20 09:42:45 ​bowleycoin xultaventcoin chiencessimittcoin cbycoin electawcoin deropredichsaycoin afarminachecoin dightvelyancoin exillecontatcoin haloitcoin waterinamclemcoin woodsteratcoin exteentriocoin unrationcoin arklimmtcoin aleodontriccoin ixokraftilledcoin cncharatockcoin loquentercoin twardc 09:42:56 `coins --eng-1M -o 10 10 09:42:58 ​sunsettenitermodkcoin stualicefferthtigcoin plangkundissitueenacoin implaulencurigerecoin soutreutschnetcoin mallamessedeencoin lyoulgaterredcoin qughtecheedeliancoin ssaffeldometeerafielcoin slientariialilitycoin 09:43:00 what is eng-1M 09:43:02 ?! 09:43:02 Maybe you meant: v @ ? . 09:43:06 ashl: the dictionary used 09:43:10 I think it's the default 09:43:11 all english words plus like 500,000 non-words? 09:43:31 ashl: it's not really a dictionary, but some probabilistic model made from English texts 09:43:45 it's prepared earlier, and words dynamically generates words from it 09:44:45 -!- lleu has joined. 09:44:46 -!- lleu has quit (Changing host). 09:44:46 -!- lleu has joined. 09:47:41 -!- llue has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 10:00:10 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:00:11 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 10:04:12 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Tuzepoito * New user account 10:16:38 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 10:17:20 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 10:27:41 -!- ais523 has joined. 10:53:48 -!- mauris has joined. 10:53:49 -!- mauris has quit (Changing host). 10:53:49 -!- mauris has joined. 10:54:24 -!- J_Arcane_ has joined. 10:56:15 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 10:56:18 -!- J_Arcane_ has changed nick to J_Arcane. 11:02:01 -!- lleu has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:03:49 -!- lleu has joined. 11:04:45 -!- fowl has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 11:18:43 huh, bizarre; spam claiming to be from someone with the same name as me, and given the rest of the message and the address it was sent to, I'm pretty sure it happened to pick my name at random rather than knowing who I am 11:18:58 I guess having a common name means that something like that is statistically going to happen /eventually/ 11:24:32 -!- mauris_ has joined. 11:24:32 -!- mauris_ has quit (Changing host). 11:24:32 -!- mauris_ has joined. 11:27:37 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 11:29:54 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:32:56 -!- fowl has joined. 11:36:44 -!- stalem has joined. 11:37:20 -!- llue has joined. 11:37:20 -!- llue has quit (Changing host). 11:37:20 -!- llue has joined. 11:40:43 -!- lleu has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 11:53:18 -!- boilyphone has joined. 11:59:27 @massages-loud 11:59:27 You don't have any messages 11:59:42 Hm. Expected. I'm not boily. 12:01:08 @tell boilyphone yo 12:01:08 Consider it noted. 12:01:47 Izabellora! 12:02:12 I seem to remember sending messages to people's alternate nicks in the past 12:02:12 boillory! 12:02:20 to see how long it would be before they were read 12:02:58 I happen to be on my phone, at the airport. 12:03:31 Coffee is vital. 12:03:48 Hellais523! 12:08:51 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Sp3000 * New user account 12:09:54 Coffee is love. Coffee is life. 12:09:58 amen 12:10:08 where are you going, boilyphone 12:10:15 I'm guessing… not a spambot 12:10:18 (re the new account) 12:10:36 * ais523 looks at the spam filter out of curiosity 12:10:45 Ashellol! Going to Singapore! 12:12:04 huh, looks like no spambot's got past the CAPTCHA since January 12:12:24 maybe the people who were using human CAPTCHA-breakers gave up on our site, because the spam they were told to post doesn't know how to newlines 12:15:24 Coffee done. Be back in two weeks! 12:15:41 have fun 12:15:45 -!- boilyphone has quit (Quit: PILLAR CHICKEN). 12:21:10 @tell zzo38 first iteration of lang generation script done! gonna try and write up a desciption and you can have a look 12:21:10 Consider it noted. 12:31:55 fnärd. 12:33:36 `run echo fnärd | loudly 12:33:36 ​fnärd 12:33:52 poor unicode support . 12:45:26 could anybody recommend a good article on writing a proper lexer/parser? 12:45:33 my current approach is a disaster 12:47:32 that is a rather broad question 12:47:55 which language are you using 12:49:15 I'm a fan of lex/yacc 12:49:27 in the sense of "they work and do pretty much what you'd expect" 12:49:29 except on Windows 12:49:32 they are a pain to use on Windows 12:52:21 isn't everything? :P 12:52:27 them more so than others 12:52:51 ais523: huh? in what way do they break on windows? 12:53:18 oh, you mean if you want to actually run lex/yacc on windows, rather than just build its output 12:53:36 b_jonas: they don't break, they're just a pain to install and get workign 12:53:38 *working 13:00:51 sorry guys wc called 13:01:41 so as i feared it depends on the case which approach is best? 13:02:08 everything always does 13:02:17 too much information 13:02:33 true ashl i forgot abuot relativity 13:02:56 i have much to learn still 13:05:14 int-e no it was the warlock crediter 13:06:18 water closets are so impractical. who wants to wear soaked clothes? 13:06:43 and how did they get wet in the first place... 13:06:55 ...I see no reason to withdraw my objection. 13:06:59 by being in the water closet obviously 13:07:22 i prefer to keep my clothes in a dry closet 13:07:38 or air closet, either way works, AC/DC you know 13:09:34 -!- evalj has joined. 13:22:40 -!- lleu has joined. 13:22:40 -!- lleu has quit (Changing host). 13:22:40 -!- lleu has joined. 13:23:49 -!- copumpkin has quit (*.net *.split). 13:23:49 -!- jameseb has quit (*.net *.split). 13:23:49 -!- nisstyre has quit (*.net *.split). 13:23:49 -!- puckipedia has quit (*.net *.split). 13:23:56 -!- jameseb has joined. 13:24:05 -!- puckipedia has joined. 13:24:45 -!- copumpkin has joined. 13:24:57 -!- APic has quit (*.net *.split). 13:25:08 -!- APic has joined. 13:25:38 -!- llue has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 13:25:53 -!- nisstyre has joined. 13:43:10 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 13:51:49 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * YourDeathIsComing * New user account 13:54:30 three accounts in four hours hm 13:57:15 -!- Horrorcat has joined. 13:57:23 -!- Horrorcat has left. 14:02:11 they don't seem like spambot names though 14:02:20 maybe esolangs.org got linked from somewhere it normally isn't linked from 14:02:34 i guess thats possible 14:02:40 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 14:02:56 there's no way to see from where users come to the wiki? 14:03:07 users/visitors 14:03:25 server admins can see it, I'm not one of those though 14:03:42 [wiki] [[Print "deadfish"]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43945 * YourDeathIsComing * (+576) Created page with "Print "Deadfish" is an little extension of the [[Deadfish]] programming language. It adds two new commands: The "h" commands which ends the program and the "a" command which p..." 14:03:49 I can theoretically see where edits come from, but I'm not supposed to except if I'm trying to find a spambot's IP to ban it 14:04:38 fair enough. i guess i also got my answer with that new page hah 14:05:34 `? Time 14:05:35 Time? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:11:37 -!- Tod-Autojoined has changed nick to TodPunk. 14:12:57 -!- shikhin has changed nick to shikhin_. 14:13:01 -!- shikhin_ has changed nick to shikhin. 14:14:54 [wiki] [[Print "deadfish"]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43946&oldid=43945 * YourDeathIsComing * (+6) 14:14:55 -!- J_Arcane_ has joined. 14:16:00 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 14:16:06 -!- J_Arcane_ has changed nick to J_Arcane. 14:16:18 [wiki] [[Print "deadfish"]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43947&oldid=43946 * YourDeathIsComing * (+133) 14:36:17 good mroing 14:37:06 good evoreng 14:39:21 anything on the news this mroing? 14:42:24 1000000000 sheeple are now on facebook 14:43:10 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/28/new_low_point_for_humanity_a_billion_log_on_to_facebook_in_one_day/ 14:43:24 urgh 14:43:26 you're being self deprecating right 14:43:40 I do indeed have facebook 14:43:48 i don't :B 14:43:49 thank god 14:44:01 however, I can say that I haven't logged on in a few months 14:44:28 why thank god 14:44:28 typically I get all the stuff from facebook thru my email 14:46:27 I don't have Facebook 14:46:39 err, a Facebook account 14:46:49 I also have the website blocked but know how to override the block, just never have seen a reason to 14:46:55 -!- dipperswett has changed nick to tswett. 14:47:28 tswett: what does the dipperswett nick refer to? 14:48:05 My nickname at the gaming store I go to. Dipper Swett. 14:48:15 blocked by what? 14:48:17 Which in turn comes from Gravity Falls. 14:48:19 @ ais523 14:48:28 ashl: browser preferences 14:49:02 * int-e idly wonders whether ais523 has his own web browser as well 14:49:09 int-e: I set the preferences 14:49:31 I haven't written my own browser (unless you count the occasional manual use of netcat/telnet), but I do use several browsers configured for different purposes 14:49:41 my primary one is pretty locked down to disable things that sites do that annoy me 14:49:46 does the browser have an ad blocker built in or is it some add-on? 14:49:48 int-e: as well as what? :p 14:49:53 ashl: IRC client 14:49:58 many websites blocked, no javascript, no animated GIFs… 14:50:03 int-e: you're thinking of zzo38 14:50:11 ais523: is it actually usable? 14:50:12 ah damn. 14:50:26 i was thinking of turning off js by default but assumed everything would stop working 14:50:27 zzo38 uses a web browser I'd never heard of at the time called, IIRC, Vonkeror 14:50:36 ashl: several things do but most of them, you don't care about 14:50:39 sorry, you're both in the three-letter-followed-by-a-number category. 14:50:46 If you click on a link that leads to Wikia, ais523's browser automatically blocks whatever site the link was on. 14:50:52 * int-e is awful with names 14:51:06 (in real life as well, but faces do help) 14:51:08 tswett: actually no, although that would be amusing 14:51:19 I did try to write a Firefox extension at one point to add "?useskin=monobook" at the end of Wikia URLs 14:51:22 but gave up eventually 14:51:25 oh, I block cookies too 14:51:35 or rather, put them on manual approval 14:51:36 maybe I should switch to a graphical IRC client and assign avatars to the nicks 14:51:50 mostly to prove to myself that when websites claim to need cookies, they're lying 14:52:33 ais523: which browser do you use that allows you to do this? :P 14:52:44 hmm. adblock, noscript, cookiemonster. I should try out ghostery 14:53:17 ashl: Firefox + some extensions 14:53:21 I have Firefox and had to change the settings and other stuff a lot in order to improve on the default settings, and still isn't as perfect 14:53:24 I use Chromium to access sites that are shut down by the Firefox restrictions 14:53:31 mostly because most of them are Google sites 14:53:36 so it seemed fitting 14:54:25 -!- shikhin has changed nick to EmpressTigressst. 14:54:44 ais523: are you also annoyed that they implemented an in-browser view for the preferences (fortunately it can still be switched off, but for how long?) 14:55:00 int-e: Chromium? that seems mostly like a UI decision 14:55:07 sorry. 14:55:20 zzo38: I meant to ask you. 14:55:22 Involving many things, including SQL database schemas, file permissions, and even hexediting, but also scripts, CSS, extensions, about:config stuff, and many of the built-in settings 14:55:23 -!- EmpressTigressst has changed nick to shikhin. 14:59:27 int-e: the in-browser view is a good thing, it means the option dialog isn't modal, and you can put it in a separate window anyway. the part where it has an android/windows8-like interface with no OK/Cancel button and switches that are too easy to change accidentally and then you can't find out what you changed is bad. 15:00:34 For example remove all of the close-tab buttons, as well as increasing the width of tabs but decreasing their height, removing all toolbar buttons (including stop/reload/go), I put back the status-bar (which contains the Stylish, Policeman, and download buttons; Greasemonkey can be found in the Tools menu instead), as well as stuff in userChrome.js userChrome.css userContent.css 15:00:59 (Many things there are no extensions for, so I can use the userChrome stuff instead) 15:01:28 zzo38: that sounds good 15:01:31 b_jonas: it broke the hotkeys inside the preferences dialog (which isn't really modal anyway, perhaps because my WM ignores some hints) 15:02:00 int-e: yes, yhat's also the bad part of the android-like interface 15:02:25 int-e: eg. I hate how commands in windows ribbon bars don't reveal the hotkeys for those commands, so the hotkeys are hard to discover 15:02:34 Oh I'm also enabling the menu bar in new profiles. So that's another change I'm not suffering much from yet. 15:02:48 I have some success because I know from earlier windows how hotkeys are usually layed out, so I can find them by trying 15:03:46 (I used userContent.css for global stuff and Stylish for stuff specific to each site; currently the only thing in my userContent.css is a rule for 15:04:56 somehow, userChrome.css is much more important to me 15:05:30 Yes, to me too, I have many more things in userChrome.css 15:05:37 things like tabmodalprompt { background: transparent !important } (no, I don't want my content grayed out just because you're displaying a dialog, thank you) 15:06:47 tgat is a good idea. i might add that 15:07:23 does it prevent all websites graying their content? 15:07:55 no, just the (javascript mostly) dialogs, unfortunately 15:07:57 quintopia: it'll only be websites that use the specific name "tabmodalprompt" 15:08:12 i wondered if they all did 15:08:13 but apparently it's a common one because it's used by some major framework 15:08:18 in fact, userChrome.css shouldn't affect web-sites at all? 15:08:24 it's for xul, right? 15:08:31 I don't have that, but here is my userChrome.css: http://sprunge.us/cCDM 15:08:33 oh, right, this would be Firefox's "let's use the DOM to render dialogs" thing 15:08:42 oh nvm 15:09:18 i want a script to stop sites graying content when displaying ads 15:09:55 http://sprunge.us/hPLf ... interestingly, little overlap. but I think I'll steal the transition things. 15:10:57 In fact, no overlap at all. I'm mostly using it to disable UI elements that I'm not using. 15:11:20 I have the new tab button hidden using Classic Theme Restorer, so I do not need to disable it in userChrome.css 15:11:48 Actually many of the things you have disabled in userChrome.css, I was able to remove using Classic Theme Restorer. 15:12:29 interesting, I've never heard of that one 15:13:02 But some things cannot be removed in that way, so I put them into userChrome.css (I didn't know about userChrome.css until after Classic Theme Restorer was already installed actually, which anyways does other things I want too) 15:14:46 The "navigation[value=gopher-nav]" line has to do with Overbite, which displays a notification that you are viewing a text document; such a notification isn't very useful (it can be seen from the URL as well as just from the content) so I removed it. 15:17:45 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 15:19:33 And my userContent.css is: http://sprunge.us/HPTU 15:20:26 And I also have the userChrome.js (which requires an extension to function), which is: http://sprunge.us/GLgF 15:22:11 See if you find any of these thing useful to you? Or other opinion of it? 15:24:03 Actually I think I noticed a mistake now, it doesn't enable JavaScripts for about and file and chrome schemes like it is supposed to do, it instead just bypasses it, it look like 15:25:38 the "view source" hook looks interesting. I'm not sure what you're doing with the navigatiojn bar 15:27:12 Causes it to treat text entered into the location bar as relative; putting a colon at front restores the original function so that you can use user-defined prefixes such as "w" for Wikipedia and so on. 15:27:54 ah 15:28:06 The window.losslessDecodeURI is made to prevent it from changing percent-encodings into other characters 15:29:51 The last part (unknownContentType) does more than adding the view-source option, it also changes the display so that it will now display the actual MIME type and URL rather than just "This is a C file" or whatever 15:34:34 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 16:01:09 Hijarcane! 16:01:46 zzo38: oh the annoyancee. when trying to extend the functionality of my lang gen script i realized i might as well use lisp to do what i need 16:19:49 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * T9anef * New user account 16:21:42 -!- shikhin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:25:41 -!- shikhin has joined. 16:28:43 lisp? 16:29:47 (def lisp (+ "lots of" "irritating parentheses")) 16:30:01 no wait that's not right 16:30:43 but the programming language lisp? 16:31:23 it could probably do what the language i tried designing would do 16:32:01 so i had to scrap the idea 16:33:22 What stuff did you have? 16:36:42 -!- evalj has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:40:34 i compiled my notes here http://pastebin.com/SDT3n8Qq 16:41:04 2730 characters!!!111 16:41:18 the second iteration works and is implemented, but lack the features i want. i'm currently working on something that very much resembles lisp but has a few key differences 16:41:43 what really? where did you see that? 16:42:29 oh, I was scrolled up 16:42:46 Your notes look like lisp, indeed 16:42:49 -!- Wright has joined. 16:46:01 Although, being similar to another language never stopped C++ 16:46:09 or PHP 16:47:27 yeah and honestly i'm not trying to make anything new with this 16:47:40 @metar LOWI 16:47:41 LOWI 291620Z 07009KT 040V100 9999 FEW080 31/17 Q1020 NOSIG 16:47:53 just domain specific, to meet my needs 16:47:59 I'm melting! 16:50:09 and when i think about it, just being syntactically similar to another language doesn't mean it's functionally similar 16:50:19 metar lowi? 16:50:28 stalem: @metar checks the weather at an airport 16:50:38 the result's somewhat hard to read 16:51:02 haha yeah it mostly looks like pseudo gibberish 16:51:15 so i can do 16:51:20 @metar LAX 16:51:28 need the four letter code, not the three letter ode 16:51:31 aw 16:51:38 there are multiple airport naming standards for some reason 16:52:05 FurryScript also has a few similar features to what you described 16:52:16 @metar KLAX 16:52:16 KLAX 291553Z 23003KT 9SM FEW270 26/19 A2990 RMK AO2 SLP122 T02560194 $ 16:52:24 That's how you do it 16:52:26 agh why wont the world just kongregate under one single standard 16:52:33 lambdabot: is KLAX = LAX, or is it somewhere else? 16:52:42 Yes, I would prefer the four-letter (ICAO) codes 16:52:50 @metar CYVR 16:52:50 CYVR 291626Z 09016G29KT 15SM FEW009 SCT013 OVC025 17/15 A2949 RMK SF2SC1SC5 PRESRR SLP986 DENSITY ALT 700FT 16:53:23 a while ago I learned that UK phone number area codes are actually meaningful, rather than arbitrary, in most cases 16:53:33 oh? 16:53:33 (a few of the newer ones are just arbitrary numbers though) 16:53:39 zzo38: furryscript seems to be of a different domain right, if i haven't gotten all the semantics wrong. 16:53:48 e.g. Birmingham = 0121, the 2 = B for Birmingham 16:53:56 though i never intended to be inspired by furryscript, just the concept 16:54:07 It is of a different domain but there is some overlaps 16:54:20 and Birmingham gets a single-letter code because it's so large 16:54:24 ais523: O, I didn't know that, but I don't know much about UK telephone number anyways 16:55:04 ais523: that's pretty neat actually. makes it easy to decode area codes 16:55:13 here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dialling_codes_in_the_United_Kingdom lists them all along with the letter translations 16:55:17 the last digit's an arbitrary disambiguator 16:55:28 and the 01 at the start is part of the syntax 16:55:30 the rest is text 16:55:40 zzo38: what domain would furryscript bnelong to then? 16:56:03 i'd really liek to get a good understanding of the different domains 16:56:18 Random text generation I suppose 16:56:31 I don't really know good understanding of all possible different domains either actually 16:56:58 Although it has functions to do some other stuff too 16:57:04 fair enough haha. maybe one of the elders will come along and categorize them 16:57:07 haha, most of the 0155? numbers are in Wales because of LL 16:57:26 * stalem maybe thinks functional procedural then? 16:57:57 though i reckon functional has a completely different meaning 16:59:23 "functional" is used by different people to mean different things 17:00:14 stalem: Do you know Haskell programming? 17:00:36 I do not. in reality i don't know that many languages actually 17:01:28 why do you ask btw? in the meantime, i gotta start with the cooking, i'll be back later on 17:06:45 Haskell is one of the less controversially functional languages 17:06:56 (Agda is probably the least controversially functional?) 17:13:03 whats up ais523 17:13:19 quintopia: just drifting along, mostly 17:13:30 current things occupying my time are work, computer games, web of lies 2 17:13:37 nothing new to show off? 17:13:48 what games 17:13:54 Tux Racer, most recently 17:13:58 and what is your work 17:14:04 lol tux racer 17:14:08 hardware compiler development 17:14:10 whoa whoa whoa, tux racer 17:14:16 Didn't they rename that? 17:14:25 sorry, /extreme/ tux racer 17:14:36 ais523: oh i see. i'll have to take a look later 17:14:40 my review of extreme tux racer: the graphics is bad, the level design is questionable, the UI is awkward and could perhaps do with a tutorial 17:14:48 however, the physics works really well and can make almost any level fun 17:15:13 Oh, I was thinking of ppracer. 17:15:13 sounds like an improvement 17:15:20 Apparently that's a fork. 17:15:24 play any closed source games? 17:15:27 shachaf: etracer's a fork of ppracer, it seems 17:15:36 quintopia: FTL, Neverwinter Nights 17:15:54 [wiki] [[Deadfish]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43948&oldid=43738 * YourDeathIsComing * (+262) 17:15:56 I've held the speedrun WR on Neverwinter Nights on occasion but people better at the game than me took it up 17:16:01 Have you played _Bureaucracy_? 17:16:04 hmm. i have FTL. howzit rate among roguelikes? 17:16:07 I read an article about it the other day. 17:16:19 so I mostly do glitchfinding and routing for it nowadays 17:16:25 shachaf: I've seen a complete playthough of it 17:16:36 that sort of game is more fun to read spoilers for than actually play 17:16:46 quintopia: core mechanics are good, some of the balance decisions are questionable 17:16:54 I've beaten it with every ship on Hard, by this point 17:17:01 then I moved onto Easy 17:17:08 lol 17:17:41 whats a better roguelike? whats a worse? 17:17:46 Somehow I didn't get very far in FTL. 17:18:00 quintopia: do you mean in terms of being a better game, or being better at being a roguelike 17:18:11 game 17:18:19 FTL's only sort-of a roguelike 17:18:24 yeah 17:18:30 it's balanced like one and it uses permadeath+random generation 17:18:35 but so are most of the ones ive played 17:18:55 but it violates one of the major roguelike rules (use your game mechanics for everything, don't just have situations decided by cutscene) 17:19:28 What is the advantage of permadeath? 17:19:57 I don't like cutscenes anyways, whether or not it is the roguelike game 17:20:36 Just display a screen of text (scrollable if necessary) 17:20:37 shachaf: perma-consequences (i.e. no rewinding the game) allows you to introduce game mechanics that don't work in its absence 17:20:44 such as choices with unpredictable outcomes 17:20:45 were it not for permadeath what would be the point of RG levels? 17:20:51 permadeath is the easiest way to implement perma-consequences 17:21:17 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 17:21:34 That's true. 17:21:48 -!- Lymia has joined. 17:21:59 Is it worth the frustration? 17:22:53 -!- aretecode has quit (Quit: Toodaloo). 17:23:36 If you don't like permadeath you can make a shell-script to remove it, maybe 17:23:41 another advantage is you always have to be playing, you cant ever assume anything. if you had checkpoints, youd know what was coming and could switch your strategy mind off until you get back to where you were. if it were about remembering what happened before and deciding how to survive, itd be a puzzle-platformer 17:24:03 the frustration is a feature not a bug 17:24:08 enjoy it 17:24:45 Whereas with permadeath, if there's a hard part in the middle of the game, you have to spend hours getting to that hard part each time before dying and having to start over. 17:25:02 shachaf: IMO games with permadeath should frontload difficulty because of that 17:25:08 or at least be short 17:25:30 I believe the permadeath feature is good, but I did make the suggestion just in case you did not like it 17:25:33 in FTL, the start of the game is the hardest, and you can die later on but you can normally tell you're doomed a long time beforehand 17:25:41 except that the very end of the game is much harder than the rest 17:25:51 unless they are about the rising dread and moments of sheer terror 17:25:53 I guess this is true of NetHack too. 17:25:56 e.g. amnesia 17:26:14 shachaf: yep, NetHack's difficulty is frontloaded, arguably too frontloaded 17:26:16 One of the things that Crawl people advertise is "hard all the way through, not only at the beginning". 17:26:29 shachaf: they might advertise it but it isn't actually true 17:26:52 Crawl's difficulty is also front-loaded 17:27:45 I like the adventure game design philosophy that it's impossible to make the game unwinnable. 17:28:04 But of course that's mostly used in games that are pretty much deterministic. 17:28:09 shachaf: that's actually not that common among adventure games, it's more of a recent thing 17:28:15 actually, one advantage of permadeath is that unwinnable states are less bad 17:28:22 because it's equivalent to dying 17:28:33 whereas in a game with a normal save system, saving in an unwinnable state is much /worse/ than dying 17:28:35 ais523: It was true in e.g. Money Island. Not all that recent. 17:28:51 shachaf: it happens in some older games too but it's become more common over time 17:28:58 i have yet to start the monkey islands 17:29:07 ais523: In the Discworld game, you had two "passes" into the castle per act, or something like that. If you used both of them too early, you'd be stuck much later in the game. 17:29:30 It was very frustrating, especially if you overwrote your earlier save file. 17:29:32 shachaf: pretty much every old text adventure is like that 17:29:34 adventure games arent my forte, but ill play them anyway sometimes 17:29:55 there's a good TV Tropes article about this but I won't link it because TV Tropes 17:30:00 So the trouble is that you can't tell that you're in an unwinnable state. 17:30:21 So it seems worse than -- oh, now I see what you meant. 17:30:23 I have prefer to make, you can just make multiple save files, so in case you get into the unwinnable situation then you can restore a different save file. 17:31:40 -!- shikhin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:32:33 I'm not sure I really buy the argument. 17:32:56 What makes an unreachable state in a permadeath palatable is that the game is short enough and/or has frontloaded enough difficulty that you don't mind restarting. 17:32:57 with FTL, there are very few situations outside combat that are unwinnable with perfect luck 17:33:04 But all that does is restrict you from making a big game. 17:33:12 but many, many situations where your chance of being able to complete the game with perfect skill is less than 100% 17:33:37 shachaf: deaths in permadeath games are just as unpalatable as unwinnable states, though, and for the same reason 17:33:47 IMO the correct solution is to give players a chance to bail out and try again later 17:39:03 I wanted to make SQL-roguelike game 17:42:08 In touhou, if you lose you can continue where you were, but your score is reset to 0 17:42:31 There are many other games that do that too 17:46:35 most modern games don't tend to feature a "score" as a central thing 17:47:04 _Enlightenment_ was a good one-room text-based adventure game. 17:47:07 is there a game where you're reincarnated as you die? as in your decisions and skills etc determine the basis of the reincarnated char? 17:51:41 In Tactics Ogre: the Knight of Lodis, a turn based strategy game, you can ressurect a dead character in various ways, including as a zombie or an angel, which makes them retain their stats 17:56:16 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 17:56:50 close but not quite 17:57:06 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 18:06:48 [wiki] [[Deadfish]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43949&oldid=43948 * YourDeathIsComing * (+547) 18:07:02 http://www.orenwatson.be/118130140.png 18:12:16 for whatever reason stage 4 is always a problem 18:13:31 [wiki] [[User:YourDeathIsComing]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43950 * YourDeathIsComing * (+146) Created page with "Hi, I´m YourDeathIsComing a created the esoteric programming language [[Print "deadfish"]].
I also made an batch implementation of deadfish." 18:14:06 [wiki] [[User:YourDeathIsComing]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43951&oldid=43950 * YourDeathIsComing * (+1) 18:18:06 -!- J_Arcane_ has joined. 18:19:34 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:19:46 -!- J_Arcane_ has changed nick to J_Arcane. 18:25:00 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 18:28:06 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:35:39 -!- shikhin has joined. 18:37:21 -!- shikhin has quit (Client Quit). 18:37:46 [wiki] [[User:YourDeathIsComing]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43952&oldid=43951 * YourDeathIsComing * (+4) 18:38:35 -!- shikhin has joined. 18:43:11 -!- zzo38 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 18:43:25 -!- zzo38 has joined. 18:43:32 Sorry there was a short power outage 18:58:03 -!- mitchs_ has joined. 19:01:31 -!- mitchs has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 19:18:52 -!- variable has joined. 19:20:39 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 19:23:06 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 19:28:04 -!- ais523 has quit. 19:30:54 [wiki] [[DoubleFuck]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43953&oldid=40014 * 173.31.84.122 * (+13) /* Examples */ 19:35:06 -!- Wright has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:41:00 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 19:44:03 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 19:53:17 -!- variable has quit (Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero). 19:55:18 -!- x10A94 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:59:02 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 20:08:11 -!- S1 has joined. 20:08:21 good afnoon 20:08:32 good morning 20:09:43 good evening 20:09:57 UGT, you guys! 20:10:04 UGT? 20:10:32 where's it still the morning... 20:12:38 https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#fst 20:15:21 i've never heard of that before 20:15:40 now you have 20:15:42 yes 20:46:11 -!- aretecode has joined. 20:48:18 [wiki] [[GOTO++]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43954&oldid=33647 * Tuzepoito * (+10631) update and development 20:49:47 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 20:52:52 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 21:17:28 -!- ais523 has joined. 21:23:40 -!- ais523 has changed nick to callforjudgement. 21:23:43 -!- callforjudgement has changed nick to ais523. 21:39:31 I just got a new CRT tv 21:39:38 CRT? why? 21:39:52 it was on the sidewalk and unattended 21:40:12 and not nailed down 21:40:23 does it work? 21:40:32 yes, works great 21:40:40 huh 21:40:44 well then 21:40:49 Now I'll have a tv in my room 21:41:01 probably someone was just moving it and had to leave it there for a split second and you stole it 21:41:25 lol 21:41:50 now they're probably putting out posters imploring people to help find it 21:41:55 well the next door neighbours will tell me if that's the case, it was in front of their house 21:43:14 -!- Wright has joined. 21:45:00 maybe they're too distraught to figure out it was you 21:46:42 So a while back, someone used the phrase "coffee with butter in". I wouldn't say that phrase, I'd say "coffee with butter in it". 21:47:03 ok 21:47:17 But I can say "in" instead of "in it" in some circumstances: for example, "a VCR with a tape in". 21:47:30 So that led me to wonder what the rule is for when you can just say "in" rather than "in it". 21:47:36 Likewise, when you can just say "on" instead of "on it". 21:47:45 -!- S1 has left. 21:47:51 I have never seen than 21:47:56 *that 21:48:03 You've never seen what? 21:48:08 also, I have release a new font version ⱠⱡⱢⱣⱤⱥⱦⱧⱨⱩⱪⱫⱬⱭⱮⱯ 21:48:11 ⱰⱱⱲⱳⱴⱵⱶⱷⱸⱹⱺⱻⱼⱽⱾⱿ 21:48:22 I have a guess as to what the rule is. 21:48:22 http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm 21:48:41 what is your guess as to what the rule is 21:48:41 You can say "in" or "on" when the object's location is implied by the type of object; otherwise, you have to say "in it" or "on it". 21:49:07 If you say "the hat is on", that implies that it's on a person's head. So if you say "the person has a hat on", the hat is on their head. 21:49:24 If you say "the person has a hat on them", that implies that the hat is on them *somewhere*, not necessarily on their head. 21:49:55 If you say "the batteries are in", that implies that they're in the battery chamber of a battery-powered device. So you can say "this flashlight has batteries in", but not "this cardboard box has batteries in". 21:50:20 soudns plausible 21:50:58 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 21:52:56 zzo38: i'm getting pretty close to finishing the design of my script. would you mind taking a look later and see what you think? 21:53:34 -!- Wright has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 21:54:15 OK, I may; notify me 22:01:44 -!- FireFly has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 22:04:34 tswett: next you'll tell us that when somebody is carrying a torch it might be in their backpack. 22:05:29 int-e: to be fair, my interpretation of "carrying a torch" didn't imply it was in their hands 22:05:50 and mentally substituted "wielding a torch" to imply it was in the hands, but that'd probably just confuse non-NetHack-players 22:06:43 ais523: yeah, the idiomatic phrase has "the" instead of "a", making it harder to misunderstand 22:06:54 Is the torch lit or not? 22:07:07 and is it an electric torch or a flaming-fire torch? 22:07:13 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: bedtime). 22:07:25 yes. 22:07:56 (it's lit, it's illuminating the path for the rest of the group. why am I explaining this...) 22:09:52 Whether or not it is electric doesn't seem to have much to do with that though, but you won't carry it in the pack if it is lit either way it seems, if it is not lit you might or might not 22:10:55 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 22:19:11 [wiki] [[Labyrinth]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43955&oldid=43940 * Martin Büttner * (+217) add new command 22:21:33 -!- FireFly has joined. 22:21:47 [wiki] [[Labyrinth]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43956&oldid=43955 * Martin Büttner * (-16) /* Commands */ 22:25:33 -!- oerjan has joined. 22:34:18 Good news, everyone! 22:34:20 -!- |f`-`|f_ has joined. 22:34:24 `loudly You can now invoke `loudly like this! 22:34:25 ​You can now invoke `loudly like this! 22:36:21 `run echo 'But the old way still works, too!' | loudly 22:36:22 ​But the old way still works, too! 22:38:10 -!- |f`-`|f has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:38:15 -!- |f`-`|f_ has changed nick to |f`-`|f. 22:38:56 -!- bb010g has joined. 22:43:18 [wiki] [[Talk:123]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43957 * Martin Büttner * (+217) Created page with "The spec seems to be ambiguous as to whether bit 0 or 7 is the least significant one when reading or writing. --~~~~" 22:45:58 -!- Red_ has joined. 22:46:52 -!- Red_ has left. 22:49:35 [wiki] [[Talk:123]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43958&oldid=43957 * Martin Büttner * (+80) 22:56:39 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:59:39 [wiki] [[DoubleFuck]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43959&oldid=43953 * Rdebath * (+6) Refixed formatting and the "hello world" now works 23:49:45 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 23:49:54 Now I made Minesweeper game to keep track of the best time and best score and win rate. 23:50:43 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined.