< 1441324867 672039 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: A Tape is a Graph where every node has one link except the end, which has none < 1441324875 927917 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you implement the tape as a Linked List < 1441324892 874239 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which you should >:( < 1441324904 425349 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/>:(/>:|/ < 1441324915 363766 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's hard to read < 1441324922 16509 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a fork bomb or something? < 1441324955 749691 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1441324975 142165 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 QUIT :Quit: night yall < 1441325006 244710 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rewriting14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44028&oldid=35039 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+4) 10Linked to Graph Rewriting mauris < 1441325016 41535 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1441325017 977605 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't me < 1441325246 112244 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1441325625 301728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean directed graphs? < 1441325664 78243 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Me? < 1441325671 274708 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1441325675 509679 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just graphs in general < 1441325713 382875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to know which direction is the tape then it should be a directed graph < 1441325745 955251 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Ah < 1441325788 801154 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have looked at BANCStar. It is certainly *not* the worst thing ever invented, although there are many bad design stuff in it, it seem like. But many things are not known about it so this wouldn't even be known perfectly; but at least I can try to figure out what some things are expect to be, by looking at the few information available (including the printout of part of one program) < 1441325875 310114 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It most certainly is < 1441325886 692582 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do realize people were ACTUALLY REQUIRED TO USE IT, right? < 1441325900 989732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I do realize. < 1441325906 93440 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1441325986 397975 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441326153 373608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have studied it, and it most certainly is not. It looks like more easily to program in than most other kind of machine codes, when use for the domain-specific use. But this would require that you program it by yourself rather than in a team, where such thing would seem unsuitable. Also some of the details described before the printouts were released was wrong or partially wrong as far as I can tell. < 1441326177 176893 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still it has many limitations < 1441326185 509643 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1441326410 846006 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many of the things I have figured out differ from what is in the esolang wiki article of BANCStar; I mentioned my findings in the talk page. < 1441326856 909198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, command 3100 is not mentioned in the article, and it doesn't say what "Future Date 360" mean, although I have some ideas of how various things work, based on how they are used in the available programs. < 1441326928 354773 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I think I gave an answer to your "infinite FSM" question. < 1441326963 569752 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Infinite finite state machine" is a contradiction; it'd just be an "infinite state machine". A Turing machine could be said to be a type of "infinite state machine". < 1441327077 23871 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Command 8000 uses PC colour codes and not ANSI colour codes. If bit7 is set then the text blinks; if bit3 is set then the foreground uses bright colours. < 1441327365 629409 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not-necessarily-finite state machines < 1441327397 941624 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, Jafet < 1441327402 281603 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, right tswett < 1441327404 278151 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you did < 1441327405 908884 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops < 1441327409 293679 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad memory sometimes < 1441327468 335764 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a Combinatory/Functional 2D Language < 1441327469 645342 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1441327590 606764 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have updated my QUACKVM now all 32 instruction opcodes are defined (the three new ones are: LONGCALC, INTBL, EXTOP), and the Minesweeper game is updated to use LONGCALC for calculating average scores. < 1441327620 530394 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1441327623 453404 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You win < 1441327704 8001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win at what? Minesweeper game? I did win once < 1441327745 240459 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At stuff development < 1441327750 761445 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a language < 1441327753 138541 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're making a VM < 1441327756 887201 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You win at thing making < 1441327771 49591 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441327805 415123 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1441327856 969342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441327918 114997 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever played non-flagging minesweeper? < 1441327923 997943 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: No < 1441327937 604064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1441327943 300989 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's regular minesweeper but you must never mark bombs < 1441327961 716459 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goal of the game is still unchanged, open all the non bomb squares < 1441327976 19547 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to keep track of the bombs in your mind < 1441327995 840531 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, y'know, actually check before clicking < 1441328001 869905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not played it but it should be easy enough to modify the Minesweeper game I wrote to do that if you want that < 1441328014 168170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You are free to make other modifications too; it is all public domain) < 1441328049 386959 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441328067 18814 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it doesn't need any modification < 1441328072 535092 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't mark bombs < 1441328096 573235 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any critisism of this community? < 1441328102 432171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it doesn't need any modification, although if you want to prevent it from allowing you to mark bomb then you can do that. < 1441328272 916890 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441328371 373432 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Where can I find this "QUACKVM"? < 1441328444 704142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/prog/quackvm.zip < 1441328451 626639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the documentation is incomplete, sorry < 1441328457 99195 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fine < 1441328464 861477 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than anything I've ever made xD < 1441328553 152675 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To use the assembler, put the input filename on command-line and redirect stdout to the file used for output. To use the runtime, put the ROM filename followed optionally by the disk filename. The current version may require xterm < 1441328671 939782 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1441328737 466331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, to compile the C source-codes you can use "bash" on them. < 1441328741 353304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441328796 292289 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1441328803 57331 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer is so slow < 1441328807 401494 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to download more RAM < 1441328808 257698 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1441328931 492505 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I call my function-oriented 2D language? < 1441328980 912853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1441328990 618291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A lot of things I don't know!!) < 1441329463 674107 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441329567 370302 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: now, when you say "functional", do you mean that functions act as ordinary values? < 1441329629 784562 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes < 1441329639 985616 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way python has "functional programming" < 1441329644 675188 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First-class functions < 1441329651 629625 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll tell you what you should name it. < 1441329652 949022 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One moment. < 1441329698 212187 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right. You should name it: < 1441329699 539926 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fued < 1441329699 745575 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cntn < 1441329699 799767 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tnoe < 1441329699 799844 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iori < 1441329726 349021 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "fued / cntn / tnoe / iori" in contexts where line breaks aren't possible. < 1441329748 79769 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean? < 1441329749 678362 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1441329770 863574 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the phrase "function oriented" arranged in a certain way in two dimensions. < 1441329789 326790 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1441329795 272262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett you can't solve all of life's problems with hilbert curves < 1441329809 182591 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1441329816 296084 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Hilbert Curve < 1441329957 935217 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that name because it's hard to remember xD < 1441329975 12555 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FCTI for short < 1441330417 945423 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, you gotta abbreviate it using the diagonal. FNOI. < 1441330517 284804 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1441330611 898469 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441330653 650218 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right < 1441330668 687970 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should call it Fnord so no one else can name theirs fnord xD < 1441330764 602510 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1441331134 447184 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441331488 366474 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441331690 941813 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441331729 367483 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should have assignment that goes something like "the is behind " < 1441331770 35961 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw this is the random crap generator http://arin.ga/iZe8Kf/raw < 1441331772 777501 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty fast < 1441331842 990734 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441331844 465930 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it produces 4gb in less than 19s on my system < 1441331847 363813 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441332112 616310 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1441332181 621963 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441332311 61784 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1441332365 901789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bad at Magic Devices" flaw: You get -4 to Use Magic Device checks and -2 to all other skill checks related to magic items. Any magic item you are in contact with, except scrolls, have a 5% chance each round to not function (only roll to check if you are trying to activate it or it provides a bonus that is relevant to the situation). Cannot be selected unless you have at least 1 rank of Use Magic Device. < 1441332385 225636 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1441332485 558436 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441332516 996729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it is sufficiently severe or if it is too much severe or too complicated or too simple. < 1441333011 543129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea for magic items is that some special abilities of shields and weapons and so on can be suppressed on a commands; a minor curse can be to disallow suppressing them in this way. < 1441333314 985555 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441333532 538268 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1441333761 740748 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441334054 156352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such effects can include: arrow catching (shield), etherealness (armor), defending (weapon; fixes the AC bonus to max), flaming (weapon), frost (weapon), ghost touch (weapon; always considered incorporeal touch), merciful (weapon), x-ray (ring), cube of frost resistance (wondrous). < 1441335004 993325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: (I know you are not on) You can't prevent others from naming theirs the same thing; we already have to esolangs called "Clue" in esolang wiki < 1441336156 419583 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441336232 613756 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very Strongly Typed Language: Variables can't change value < 1441336239 314868 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it's still imperative) < 1441336432 309405 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441336852 596487 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1441337111 306051 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441337201 908317 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441337326 525233 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-aqvskljkebunwppi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1441337377 217317 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gfodzwrtphtvesuh JOIN :#esoteric < 1441337539 277718 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny that Turing himself was a Turing Machine (sans unbounded memory, of course) < 1441337769 367127 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need a 2D OO Lang! STAT! < 1441337955 507935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, try to make one up if you know how < 1441337971 213743 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a language called Fourier, but it's not actually about approximating functions via Fourier series. < 1441338164 809825 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would be a nice abstraction in that it would allow one to define a function imprecisely. < 1441338224 708911 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And allow such a foolish thing as lossy compression of code. < 1441338251 735311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK then make up that one! I like that kind of idea too < 1441338611 958276 :mauris!~Lynn@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441338650 53514 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441338741 521753 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I'll want functions to be able to have at least two inputs, so I hope the principle behind Fouriers series applies to cymatic patterns. < 1441340570 90859 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441340573 378448 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me, Visual Studio, how is "UInteger" simpler than "Uint32"? < 1441340695 124505 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :usize != u32 < 1441340817 676266 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441341810 576359 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441341851 526982 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441341908 154392 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1441341908 208482 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1441343598 640543 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-1.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1441343641 645276 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-1.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1441343641 738845 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441343652 450866 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441343843 91059 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1441343845 766862 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441343901 387487 :mauris_!~Lynn@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441344074 905358 :mauris!~Lynn@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441344661 410322 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441344997 72503 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1441345562 363236 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441345566 651324 :grotewold!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1441346613 956872 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441346682 931635 :singingboyo!~brandonso@deas.ugrad.cs.ubc.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441347949 925237 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441348027 928818 :oren!~oren@65.94.102.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441349755 961558 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441349967 752710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/sep/02/london-clinic-accidentally-reveals-hiv-status-of-780-patients "We recalled/deleted the email as soon as we realised what had happened." What does that even mean. < 1441350029 239725 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1441350043 98356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sending another email asking for the recipients to delete the previous one? < 1441350100 692561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Haven't you ever seen an email being recalled/deleted from your inbox? < 1441350105 365054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly it works very well. < 1441350234 476333 :mauris_!~Lynn@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :classy https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/812f0b604f0d99457ec3cfcb96aa7163c564de01/0_7_840_504/master/840.jpg?w=1920&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=228963e4a63e190b936e19b3fc0a413c < 1441350283 508083 :mauris_!~Lynn@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we would like to recall our email with 780 recipients' contact info in it by sending another email with 780 recipients' contact info in it < 1441350456 349888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also asks everyone to notify them by replying; wonder how many reply-alled, adding more messages like that. < 1441350866 76826 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441350887 717733 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441350895 577976 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441350961 514157 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441351508 524123 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441351738 604695 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441351796 668304 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441351868 877990 :mauris_!~Lynn@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net NICK :mauris < 1441351882 15620 :mauris!~Lynn@c-69-254-26-224.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1441351882 70112 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1441351919 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:shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441353627 410786 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441353629 320459 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441353641 656073 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441353702 386413 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441353744 454919 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441353845 973357 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441354058 775324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1441354091 942435 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1441354110 364053 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1441354212 424323 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441354243 941932 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441354483 350481 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441354546 658681 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441354750 596978 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441354870 538976 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441355112 502665 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441355708 354521 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441355928 454373 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441356167 98328 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441357992 91664 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441358367 194828 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441359201 88496 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441359566 157335 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a weird dream, Phantom_Hoover was there < 1441359575 164132 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I have no idea what Phantom_Hoover looks like < 1441359577 115522 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just knew < 1441359578 561099 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was him < 1441359649 530550 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we were at a generic campus university < 1441359663 268219 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441359674 106258 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net NICK :Twilit < 1441359681 546096 :Twilit!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net NICK :Zant < 1441359685 852446 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :More grassy and hilly than York's west campus and more cluttered and busy than the east campus < 1441359701 371982 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simon Lane of Yogscast fame was there < 1441359709 565317 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As was the robot bunny from Homestuck < 1441359734 85493 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a zombie apocalypse going on or something < 1441359744 269587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Was there a floating "Phantom_Hoover" label above them? It might have been a virtual reality scenario rather than a dream. < 1441359767 575790 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no, I just knew he was Phantom_Hoover < 1441359777 831148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps that's how it goes in the real world too, then. < 1441359782 929884 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I then had another dream where I explained this first dream < 1441359792 731258 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441359795 236482 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some other things happened < 1441359798 129539 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then a third dream < 1441359804 471743 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I have completely forgotten < 1441359804 942706 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441359928 655399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was at the Trinity College Dublin campus a while ago, just being a tourist. They have more pillars than Aalto University. < 1441359948 785798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a much fancier-looking library, too. < 1441359954 685147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also more tourists.) < 1441359971 225849 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :York doesn't have much in the way of pillars < 1441359975 761569 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it has a few < 1441359989 520853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://irish-net.de/files/trinity_college_bibliothek_1.jpg <- it's like this except full of tourists < 1441359993 780296 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a lot of those were built in the past few years in a modern style < 1441359997 608492 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441359998 921235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I might have a realistic photo of it. < 1441360085 657205 :Zant!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net NICK :Walpurgisnacht < 1441360092 807777 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm so many nicks taken < 1441360100 425587 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking for one for me bot ;-; < 1441360142 449481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4J9OAzXNfZAUGlFYWtZcGxjTWs/view?usp=sharing <- that's what it looks like if you're a pleb. < 1441360155 385952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And can't get to the balcony or order everyone else out.) < 1441360271 936383 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441360351 651755 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441360373 144971 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441360377 603630 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441360404 426368 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is a nice photo < 1441360559 787422 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441360702 825204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a nice place. Although I think the business of having a decreasing shelf height as you go upwards, and meticulously finding just the right-sized books to stuff every shelf, was a bit overdone. < 1441360726 152810 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441360734 159557 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441360790 704995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4J9OAzXNfZARG92UzdRaURHcFk/view?usp=sharing <- as seen here, although there was another bookshelf that was more extreme about it. < 1441360839 376786 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441361026 145309 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441361084 596476 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441361094 6511 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441361454 291960 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441361492 393987 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441361529 585947 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441361531 430611 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441361599 655476 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441361636 905213 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441361658 619204 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74.61.60.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441361682 937411 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441361690 954460 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441361697 428155 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441361719 434566 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441361893 795142 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441361901 629957 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441361923 368066 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1441361930 613444 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441362393 963628 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@74.61.60.199 PART #esoteric :"Kill me" < 1441362409 353741 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441362526 499042 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441362827 728607 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441363074 330776 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441363333 287575 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441363344 976161 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1441363435 543400 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441363470 633595 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441363670 340558 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441363773 517602 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441363832 815891 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441363907 158495 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441363914 742220 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441364257 582901 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441364469 461159 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441364560 905517 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441364646 121962 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441364865 514155 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441365107 587585 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441365704 432906 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441365709 758985 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441365745 440607 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441365803 532280 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441365850 418242 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441365863 436779 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441365908 624278 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441367050 606801 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441367108 617292 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441367108 671598 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441367225 42947 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441367280 788785 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441367841 594782 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441368058 821547 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441368324 303439 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44029&oldid=43994 5* 0372.74.32.143 5* (+209) 10/* Language Details */ < 1441368348 361598 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441368399 28412 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441368494 796888 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441368858 519325 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441369127 701608 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441369233 564157 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441369234 363967 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441369595 664549 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441369793 282807 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441369816 585353 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441370018 722833 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Read 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1441372133 93881 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441372409 591707 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441372562 90224 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441372628 929291 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gfodzwrtphtvesuh PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 🐫🐪 < 1441372634 309118 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F42B BACTRIAN CAMEL \ UTF-8: f0 9f 90 ab UTF-16BE: d83ddc2b Decimal: 🐫 \ 🐫 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+1F42A DROMEDARY CAMEL \ UTF-8: f0 9f 90 aa UTF-16BE: d83ddc2a Decimal: 🐪 \ 🐪 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1441372802 542511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🐪 < 1441372803 501694 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F42A DROMEDARY CAMEL \ UTF-8: f0 9f 90 aa UTF-16BE: d83ddc2a Decimal: 🐪 \ 🐪 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1441372824 866457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it was just 2 < 1441372990 525138 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441373207 643220 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441373241 371799 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-136-112-98.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441373289 4771 :yerika!~canaima@190.198.25.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441373332 759074 :yerika!~canaima@190.198.25.198 PART :#esoteric < 1441373796 649466 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44030&oldid=44029 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+11) 10/* Comments */ < 1441373928 570488 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441373974 397307 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441374187 279364 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441374301 640878 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441374332 95966 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441374563 766286 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441374639 91600 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441374906 400804 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll see your camels and raise you 🎑 < 1441374912 477449 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🎑 < 1441374913 442704 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F391 MOON VIEWING CEREMONY \ UTF-8: f0 9f 8e 91 UTF-16BE: d83cdf91 Decimal: 🎑 \ 🎑 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1441375570 552684 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441375806 659081 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441375870 418135 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441375924 657215 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441376055 849413 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShortScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44031&oldid=44011 5* 03Dennis 5* (+1) 10 < 1441376170 529882 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441376174 867809 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i wonder: what's the lowest positive integer n for which the brainfuck program that moves to cell n to the tape and halts is shorter than n bytes? < 1441376208 543301 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1441376315 585510 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(possibly modifying the tape, of course) < 1441376532 313197 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441376538 351012 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :>-[>[>]+[<]>-]>[>] halts pointing at tape[257] (assuming it's left-bounded, 8-bit) < 1441376605 359691 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441376884 12467 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441376925 437649 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441376968 602946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you could get lower than 257 just by replacing the initial - with some suitably small multiplication that's barely enough to get past the length of the program. < 1441376984 539987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is the first > needed in the "[>[>]" fragment? seems like "[[>]" would be equivalent. < 1441377046 338125 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441377080 168342 :APic!~apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1441377127 356203 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441377152 890845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Brainfuck constants page might help in that. Your [>[>]+[<]>-]>[>] footer adds about 16 bytes, so you want a lowest constant for value N, length L such that (approximately) N = L+16. < 1441377246 787360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1441377276 904210 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're right, i don't need that > < 1441377289 190530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Modulo some fiddling about where the constant value gets left and whether it leaves any cruft on the tape.) < 1441377375 304693 :APic!~apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1441377398 691762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :>-[-[-<]>>+<]>[[>]+[<]>-]>[>] seems to halt on cell 38, and looks shorter than that. < 1441377421 375023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Used, pretty randomly, the >-[-[-<]>>+<]> constant for 33.) < 1441377440 588900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, I'm not claiming this construction will answer your question, but it's one way to drag the upper bound down. < 1441377488 657536 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i was thinking of multiplications, and that looks like a pretty good one < 1441377517 756981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :>+[--[<]>>+<-]>[[>]+[<]>-]>[>] halts on cell 33 and is 30 bytes long. < 1441377534 209789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that cell 33 is 0-indexed, so let's say 34 instead. < 1441377673 660999 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't [>] an endless loop there? < 1441377691 334488 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnird. < 1441377725 427881 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441377727 258161 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it seeks the first zero cell, going right < 1441377739 327631 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1441377752 521984 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i reversed it in my head < 1441377755 467462 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid < 1441377829 953219 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441377899 840083 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the part about the 34 sounds wrong. the empty program is zero bytes long and moves to 1 and i won? < 1441378077 462436 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: >----[[>]+[<]>---------]>[>] is 28 bytes and halts on 30 < 1441378099 460707 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: i'm counting from zero. so >>> moves to position 3 < 1441378193 679584 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441378331 481333 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441378390 521323 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441378418 551765 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441378473 391370 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441378519 957748 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i found a really elegant one :) < 1441378564 78767 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[[->>++<<]>>] is 14 bytes and moves to position 16 < 1441378591 423693 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441378592 375224 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :by doubling a cell and moving it 8 times, until it hits 256(=0). < 1441378610 374741 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441378630 394778 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441378706 388882 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441378751 381355 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441378783 380406 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is cool, because i *think* you can just brute-force check all brainfuck programs that are 13 bytes or shorter and satisfy some "obvious" constraints a solution would need < 1441378848 423685 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441378899 473769 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441378929 335962 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441378929 685684 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [6^n + (n+1)*(n+2)`div`2 | n <- [1..11]] `div` 2 -- a generous upper bound on the amount of those? < 1441378932 339798 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 217678414 < 1441378932 448162 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441379000 94951 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441379052 550760 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441379179 305519 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441379207 20729 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441379758 535956 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441379910 909828 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441379911 799346 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Monkeys14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44032 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+537) 10Created page with "After some testing, the reference implementation seems to contradict the spec in several ways: 1) the initial setup appears to be transposed and 2) Monkeys are incremented eve..." < 1441380229 694757 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441380300 112832 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441380300 326633 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1441380747 216049 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact. < 1441380768 566698 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In homotopy type theory, there's a type S such that there are infinitely many functions S -> S, but only two of them are invertible. < 1441380814 718072 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Countably infinitely many functions S -> S, in fact. < 1441380842 291424 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1441380844 790199 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should continue working on Gulf. < 1441381020 275180 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why what? < 1441381028 89930 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-30-120.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1441381061 86649 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1441381110 819790 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Quit: ZNC - 1.6.0 - http://znc.in < 1441381110 961112 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Alas. < 1441381188 510593 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441381208 475409 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1441381268 847453 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1441381312 389527 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441381434 644207 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Knowledge 5* 10New user account < 1441381533 934186 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441381732 639463 :x1365C!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441381823 806789 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441381861 703636 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441381898 479414 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441381918 205789 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there such a type :P < 1441381963 784339 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441382008 728575 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441382103 764990 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441382150 702687 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441382227 372523 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gfodzwrtphtvesuh QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1441382250 95793 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441382438 367833 :x1365C!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 NICK :x10A94 < 1441382796 834862 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441383596 837104 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-howchxuskjmcbpdt JOIN :#esoteric < 1441384015 677634 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the space is generated by one point and one automorphism of that point. < 1441384087 79813 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441384146 499975 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a function S -> S must map the point in S to a point in S (there's only one option), and the generating automorphism to an automorphism of that point (there are countably many options--they're the integers). < 1441384314 200954 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ℤ < 1441384314 989550 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2124 DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL Z] < 1441384347 562975 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't there only one automorphism of a one-point space < 1441384457 971163 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-198.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1441384499 666877 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-198.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1441384499 721166 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1441384508 558336 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441384568 349732 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1441384653 208786 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's not worth me asking this since i know nothing about homotopy type theory... < 1441384935 378618 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1441385357 90137 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1441385671 646590 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Labyrinth14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44033&oldid=43956 5* 03Timwi 5* (+3) 10/* Overview */ < 1441385713 916327 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441385802 783086 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441385937 116352 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1441386028 735503 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hullo < 1441386066 957496 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1441386113 743289 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441386268 385863 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Labyrinth14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44034&oldid=44033 5* 03Timwi 5* (+0) 10/* I/O */ < 1441386270 7233 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441386301 595775 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441386337 10604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441386603 769171 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are SKI combinators evaluated from the left or from the right? < 1441386858 100705 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're written with application being left-associative. < 1441386861 159676 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc means (ab)c. < 1441387093 81768 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1441387133 873546 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441388532 403535 :mauris!~Lynn@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441388730 453862 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-96-35.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1441388828 872877 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441388831 563764 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShortScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44035&oldid=44031 5* 03YourDeathIsComing 5* (+14826) 10 < 1441388900 587216 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, is that like saying there are countably many naturals (including zero) but only one you can negate? < 1441389157 826155 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1441389465 886596 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's very much like saying there are countably many integers but only two that have reciprocals. < 1441389711 717099 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441389771 667391 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441390321 73100 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441390355 972727 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441390461 24124 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441391293 654001 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-96-35.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441391392 116832 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441391393 92841 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, lunch < 1441391401 995410 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello people < 1441391805 914876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You had people for lunch!? < 1441391845 704833 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1441391847 882404 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I did < 1441391857 948521 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They came over and we had a nice lunch < 1441391859 199335 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1441391859 834859 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1441391864 926462 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's currently my lunch hour < 1441391984 864574 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm thinking about my Amazing Final Computer Language. < 1441391998 241868 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1441392002 429157 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't heard of it < 1441392003 893031 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441392058 721632 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently, it has two features. < 1441392083 292255 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which are? < 1441392089 82140 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can declare "varieties", and you can declare expressions in varieties. < 1441392094 801409 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1441392111 910740 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: is it final in the sense that it's a high level language that won't turn out to have been a low level language afterall in twenty years when new higher level languages appear? < 1441392121 962744 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm calling a variety is a variation on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variety_%28universal_algebra%29 < 1441392135 919733 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, it's final in the sense that it will effectively have every possible feature. < 1441392182 149739 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to design a language based entirely on constructing abstract machines < 1441392203 698836 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441392206 713645 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, many but not all kinds of algebraic structure are varieties in my sense. < 1441392221 967024 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Groups are a variety, rings are a variety, categories are a variety. < 1441392239 628597 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cartesian closed categories are a variety. Finitely complete categories are a variety. Finitely cocomplete categories are a variety. < 1441392251 770697 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cartesian closed finitely complete finitely cocomplete categories are a variety. < 1441392256 294325 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I call it "Builder"? < 1441392263 670948 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No... < 1441392266 812483 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not < 1441392271 12522 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good working name for now < 1441392290 821961 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toposes are *not* a variety. < 1441392311 930984 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44036&oldid=35308 5* 03Timwi 5* (-3388) 10/* Hello, World! */ shorter version < 1441392340 341739 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also define a version of the SKI calculus as a variety. < 1441392366 442623 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the SKI calculus < 1441392379 598592 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer Lambda Calculus though < 1441392387 384661 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I barely understand either xD < 1441392400 134541 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1441392410 120790 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't exactly "prefer" one over the other < 1441392441 483833 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definition would essentially be the following: < 1441392489 701204 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are things called terms. S is a term. K is a term. I is a term. If x and y are terms, xy is a term. If x is a term, Ix = x. If x and y are terms, Kxy = x. If x, y and z are terms, Sxyz = xz(yz)." < 1441392534 728915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: "I am a term" hth < 1441392539 566586 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :os < 1441392546 159773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is os < 1441392551 119475 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? os < 1441392551 793342 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Os is the accusative plural of us. Also a municipality in Norway. < 1441392590 549612 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, that's an example of a variety where equality is uncomputable. < 1441393054 927337 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, you can use varieties to define data types. For example: < 1441393071 184714 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are things called booleans. True is a boolean. False is a boolean." < 1441393108 228629 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-64-77.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441393122 849095 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably you should be able to build data types on top of other data types, but I haven't figured out how that would work yet. < 1441393505 565238 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This variety could represent a sum type: < 1441393539 54735 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are things called left-values. There are things called right-values. There are things called sum-values. If x is a left-value, Left(x) is a sum-value. If y is a right-value, Right(y) is a sum-value." < 1441393717 495615 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for *how* it could represent a sum type... < 1441393801 364835 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if I should go with discrete Fourier transform or discrete cosine transform for the language. < 1441393855 765684 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can fuse varieties together by taking two varieties and saying that one sort (or more!) from each variety must be the same underlying sort. < 1441393873 333980 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441393894 723441 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you have a variety meaning "a group" and a variety meaning "a monoid", you could stick them together and get a variety meaning "a group, a monoid, a third sort, and functions from the group and the monoid to the third sort". < 1441393899 52996 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SInce discrete cosine transform is what jpeg uses. < 1441393903 367073 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which totally sounds summy. < 1441393937 175506 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Wikipedia says... < 1441393938 411796 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DCTs are equivalent to DFTs of roughly twice the length, operating on real data with even symmetry (since the Fourier transform of a real and even function is real and even), where in some variants the input and/or output data are shifted by half a sample." < 1441393940 99789 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could also make something where instead of describing waves at all, each function is a bitmap. < 1441393960 96102 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441393968 535481 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you just send it an x and y coordinate, with the return being the luminosity at that point. < 1441394009 659235 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441394084 955278 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think that goes against the idea of making it easy to have programs that tend towards using smooth functions. < 1441394110 349447 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nb: I have no idea what you're doing. < 1441394196 162830 :stalem!54dbf5f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.219.245.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's going on? < 1441394332 311109 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441394452 556392 :impomatic_!~digital_w@81.174.207.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441394706 146208 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441394883 224755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep it real, go with DCTs. < 1441394949 928077 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1441395029 476623 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441395045 215833 :impomatic_!~digital_w@81.174.207.110 QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk < 1441395453 672118 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441395461 302575 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So each function would be described a seris f waves, or wave pairs for two-input functions. < 1441395492 769066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441395538 934901 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a new thing to add to my shit-to-do list < 1441395562 114737 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :An esoteric story about a superhero called Walrus Man written in dynamic hypertext < 1441395570 808623 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interactive, no less < 1441395571 450275 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each wave set set just being the offset, frequency, and amplitude of each cosine wave. < 1441395922 608465 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: program stack. a subroutine call is implemented by copying its code into the program stack < 1441395961 144780 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll call it Codesign, so people will mispronounce it as "Co Design" instead of "Co(de)sine". < 1441395977 894976 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, like, you have A() { B(); C(); }, and the main prog is like A(); D(); → B(); C(); D(); < 1441396009 700188 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, it'd be spelled Codesine. < 1441396028 713303 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/main prog/code stack/ < 1441396479 982132 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441396513 862233 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of linear progression, a many-dimensional graph < 1441396522 655686 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of the traditional Dramatic Structure < 1441396535 677055 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its structure will extend into the complex plane < 1441396841 367794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1441396877 573593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441397190 434674 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441397193 364472 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441397204 190301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1441397205 814419 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 > 1441397551 866557 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397555 925207 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397556 431819 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397609 693382 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397613 745318 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397614 251969 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397645 696601 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397649 748425 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397650 254455 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397681 692315 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397685 745015 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397686 251478 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397741 884527 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397745 937360 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397746 443655 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397789 694544 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441397790 368291 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397793 748695 JOIN :#esoteric > 1441397794 255160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441398671 889871 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-136-112-98.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1441398727 913126 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441399172 562678 :grotewol_!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441399323 441221 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441399345 269812 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codesine14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44037 5* 03MDude 5* (+716) 10Created page with "Made because Fourier has nothing to do with Fourier transforms, but uses discrete cosign transfomrs to "keep things real". The primary idea of codesign is to have functions ..." < 1441399361 378475 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441399364 176164 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should mart it as a stub. < 1441399463 878240 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codesine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44038&oldid=44037 5* 03MDude 5* (+13) 10 < 1441399469 311893 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441399507 288192 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441399586 82732 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:MDude14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44039&oldid=23980 5* 03MDude 5* (+72) 10 < 1441399611 422444 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441399648 368816 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1441399706 404876 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codesine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44040&oldid=44038 5* 03MDude 5* (+23) 10 < 1441399752 96011 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441399777 948479 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1441399809 908841 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codesine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44041&oldid=44040 5* 03MDude 5* (+11) 10 < 1441400097 109368 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1441400190 667818 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441400334 159112 :grotewold!~grotewold@98.75.244.66.corn.smithvilledigital.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1441400342 92874 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codesine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44042&oldid=44041 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+0) 10 < 1441400700 390391 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-64.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441400866 141634 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1441400886 567776 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-217.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1441400915 328267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441400952 354334 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1441401012 4907 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1441401123 348510 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-217.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441401213 226303 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441401357 299747 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1441401500 112738 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441401547 12714 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Codesine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44043&oldid=44042 5* 03MDude 5* (+258) 10 < 1441401628 196671 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking I should maybe just ditch the previous function definition syntax in favor of this. < 1441401721 782210 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I do that. Plus I need to include how variables work? < 1441401779 142743 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I think about if, mayube I should have a way to let variables represent something other than coordinates, like passing in the amplitude or frequency values as variables. < 1441401791 58470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have revived The Underlambda Project (now in titlecase!) < 1441401812 475751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far I have most of three specs, and a brainfuck compiler I have no way of running, nor any way of running the output < 1441401839 668470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1441401842 392964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mauris 1, and oops < 1441401842 557276 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1441401849 952921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1441401862 193391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1441401874 129682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have got really back into esolanging recently < 1441401876 171593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first WUUI < 1441401881 343760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I'm working on Underlambda again < 1441401883 306548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1441401899 690470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike me < 1441401918 948013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone else is working on Underlambda yet < 1441401930 201676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm more than a month late at browsing Recent Changes < 1441401949 151287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1441401951 114501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that person with the nick that's "esowiki" and a bunch of hex is testing boundaries, that's about it though < 1441401963 201872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of things that need admin attention < 1441401984 861408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found a bit of copyvio by Phase in my slow catchup < 1441402011 927946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well caught < 1441402019 299282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I haven't been as vigilant for copyvios as I should have been < 1441402929 664947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mauris this is cool, because i *think* you can just brute-force check all brainfuck programs that are 13 bytes or shorter and satisfy some "obvious" constraints a solution would need <-- itym 14 < 1441402929 829602 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1441403042 374723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: context? < 1441403050 833582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you tell me what day I can look for it in the logs) < 1441403078 946058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :smallest number such that there exists a shorter brainfuck program that moves to that cell number, then halts < 1441403107 195115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, sort-of like a busy beaver < 1441403116 58807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : +[[->>++<<]>>] is 14 bytes and moves to position 16 < 1441403120 758931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that requires the use of a wrapping impl, though < 1441403153 877663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brainfuck-to-underlambda-in-underlambda-parser-framework compiler I just wrote (untested because both the implementation and target language are unimplemented) < 1441403164 577809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uses cells that go down as far as -1 (and saturate there), and up to infinity < 1441403186 209736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1441403214 111915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, yesterday's logs contain invalid UTF-8 in some lines and UTF-8 in others < 1441403226 979680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning my browser refuses to show them in anything but Latin-1 < 1441403238 379509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(err, anything useful, I could set it to like latin-5 or something) < 1441403264 152136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm Timwi is back < 1441403276 920524 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what? won't the browser still show it in utf8 if you ask nicely, with the non-utf8 characters shown as replacement characters? < 1441403294 51837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, it tries to download the page instead for some reason < 1441403307 569266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because it detects it as "not a text file" due to being misencoded < 1441403371 370382 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh ok < 1441403382 118674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very good for irc logs < 1441403436 670481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, isn't being misencoded the /only/ reliable indicator that something isn't a text file? < 1441403467 780743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly there is no reliable indicator hth < 1441403490 697987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is shell code after all < 1441403490 954892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, zemhil is working again? < 1441403504 823433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'd claim the ASCII version of that is a text-binary polyglot < 1441403565 232722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust apparently +[>+] < 1441403565 803102 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan.apparently: points -43.31, score 0.49, rank 47/47 < 1441403573 692318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty fast < 1441403597 455342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess running off the hill does that < 1441403610 65708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust apparently [] < 1441403611 4582 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan.apparently: points -31.05, score 3.57, rank 47/47 (--) < 1441403618 305568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust growth < < 1441403618 643373 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.growth: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 (-42) < 1441403630 206373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust growth2 http://sprunge.us/LTKQ < 1441403631 587617 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.growth2: points 20.69, score 52.84, rank 1/47 < 1441403638 938954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, it's top of /both/ hills < 1441403646 278783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if I could only remember how it worked :-P < 1441403680 4795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: the reign of nyuroki is over! < 1441403707 61002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good, I documented it already < 1441403711 581920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads own docs
< 1441403730 905423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: zemhill is too fast, it'll make HackEgo jealous < 1441403739 924595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly also EgoBot < 1441403747 603509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust apparently [] < 1441403755 385156 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_apparently: 6.1 < 1441403765 234310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is that a pessimized version of nop.bfjoust? < 1441403780 552543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess < 1441403805 689683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it automatically does at least as well as any other program that doesn't contain + or - < 1441403828 830211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slightly_better_nop (>)*9(+)*128 < 1441403831 421747 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_slightly_better_nop: 0.8 < 1441403844 228912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I know why that scores less than nop does < 1441403850 6238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slightly_better_nop (>)*9[(+)*128] < 1441403852 519187 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_slightly_better_nop: 6.5 < 1441403854 675573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better < 1441403883 283641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :growth2 has four losses < 1441403886 984921 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1441403905 85829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omnipotence, both cupnoodles (which are identical), and stealth2 < 1441403932 355803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: could you delete mroman_'s copy of cupnoodle from the !zjoust hill? you currently have two effectively identical programs up there < 1441403997 624981 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was it who like Evillious, oren or nortti, I keep forgetting? I think https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOyp3qNqiTE&lc=z13wszjjroipfpvky23kyvrqtwetij2om04 dragonkeeper's reply to Yui the yandere makes a lot of sense (as a criticism of The Evillious Chronicles) < 1441404012 906846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if you want to see something unlike any other BF Joust strategies, see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/breakdown/#ais523.margins < 1441404019 548290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been slowly working on an improvement to margins but it's hard < 1441404030 91554 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: it was me < 1441404037 501691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the score against space_hotel is my favourite < 1441404040 763257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the best programs of all time < 1441404044 126869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it gets just marginally beaten < 1441404080 132212 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: do you mean to link to a youtube comment there? I can't display them < 1441404094 658909 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, yes. I'll paste it into a pastie < 1441404127 223365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should fix up those hill visualizations and make them run on the same system zemhill does, and automatically -- if not quite after every change, then at least every now and then if there have been changes. < 1441404133 521935 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/eewazf5wi5lmh4faca < 1441404171 660468 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, did you see the new songs I linked a while ago which I mistakenly pinged oren for? < 1441404174 291731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would involve omg-optomizing them from the scipy/numpy/matplotlib to something a bit less memory-intensive. < 1441404182 10367 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: yea, I agree < 1441404186 584539 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I did not < 1441404193 320533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did you last run them manually? I'd be a little interested in how the hill looks atm < 1441404206 535648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite long ago. I'll kick them off now, but it'll take a while. < 1441404217 972104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, perhaps we should make submissions go to both hills? I can't see much of a reason why you'd want to submit to one hill and not the otehr < 1441404255 882100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, thutubot used to turn up when I was online and someone requested it < 1441404256 900027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be hard given there's a web submission form < 1441404259 25006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody's requested it in a while < 1441404262 823520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh right, good point < 1441404277 660459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the web submission form do authentication? < 1441404295 494104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't, everyone submitting there is under the nickname "web". < 1441404319 516618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that makes sense < 1441404343 661392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having a letter in "web" that's not legal might have made slightly more sense, in retrospect, to keep the namespaces distinct. < 1441404351 404823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not legal for IRC nicks, I mean. < 1441404386 989142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Web is registered, but not used since 2013 < 1441404409 323920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, because people on IRC can delete web programs < 1441404419 837106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: btw your front page contradicts itself about whether web submissions are eligible for the scoreboard < 1441404455 831012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the "won't get your name" was referring to the "web." prefix. < 1441404461 561 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIaAnbMaCG8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL_YZsbE3Ro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGrdGXDcoGU < 1441404464 652876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can still get your name by putting it in the program name. < 1441404468 39703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not terribly clear. < 1441404487 922221 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: ah, nice < 1441404501 679759 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the new album < 1441404564 330670 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those are the three new songs < 1441404574 4245 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there are other news songs, I didn't notice < 1441404581 106186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, my mouse situation is really annoying. The old one I have keeps dropping things in the middle of drag-and-dropping, and doubleclicking when single-clicking; the new one from Amazon (same model) that arrived to day instead scrolls by itself maybe one page up or down every third time you release the mouse wheel after using it. (It's one of those freewheel Logitech mice, and there's ... < 1441404587 113655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... something wrong with the balancing, causing it to rotate to some particular orientation when at rest.) < 1441404594 767511 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember there being 3 new ones, too < 1441404658 344502 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were also other new songs a while ago I also think I linked oren, like Drug of Gold < 1441404678 623046 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For all I know you both like Evillious so I should be pinging both of you < 1441404765 590919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is ais523.growth2 not appearing when I git pull. < 1441404777 989601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's visible in the gitweb. < 1441404789 724949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I changed the URL. < 1441404790 663126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're pulling from the wrong repo or the wrong branch < 1441404946 799371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'd assume, but it certainly doesn't look that way. < 1441405034 992745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"git log --oneline" in the (bare) repository the URL in .git/config:[remote "origin"] is supposedly pointing at is 21 commits ahead, "master" is the only branch there (and gitweb also says head of master is your growth2 change), but "git pull origin master" says "already up-to-date". < 1441405061 931439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the local repository is also on branch master, and doesn't seem to be in any sort of weird detached head thing. < 1441405067 975721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what commit is HEAD? < 1441405115 793608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"git log origin/master" (and git rev-parse origin/master) both say c9df5d1. < 1441405156 759683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like it's just not fetching the remote refs, but that's just weird. < 1441405185 943840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the file isn't already there, I take it? < 1441405253 497987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nnno. And according to timestamps, it is updating e.g. the .git/refs/remotes/origin/master file, but it's not the same that's refs/heads/master in the remote repository directory. < 1441405267 448157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's actually not pointing at the directory I think it's pointing. < 1441405317 377547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1441405330 562922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missing "git update-server-info" + dumb HTTP server. < 1441405336 584475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I had gotten that done right. < 1441405351 356372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's more like it. < 1441405412 67900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"generating tournament-wide plots ... /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/numpy/ma/core.py:790: RuntimeWarning: invalid value encountered in less_equal" < 1441405435 947846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't bother to print a stack trace for it. < 1441405451 211492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if some of the plots look really weird, I'll know what to blame. < 1441405457 868471 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441405469 964482 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441405514 859122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, at one point one of my plans for Underlambda, the way it compared them was to take two to the power of each of the integers, then for one of the integers, made a lookup table of subtractions from that integer < 1441405520 99306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then looked the other integer up in the table < 1441405536 493620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I decided that that would probably be far too slow in a non-optimizing implementation < 1441405668 112248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/egostats/ should now be up to date for growth2. < 1441405770 178098 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making "A Hypertext Fairy Tail" < 1441405773 475325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1441405774 193642 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should it be about? < 1441405788 40121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anthropomorphic animals, most likely < 1441405790 543417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most fairy tails are < 1441405822 139344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: to be fair I'm mostly interested in margins < 1441405829 126225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, as usual, hilarious in statistics < 1441405847 5569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I didn't realise omnipotence would like short tapes though < 1441405887 536245 :darkl0ck_!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477401.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1441405894 429915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way that the dendrogram has a cluster for "good" programs, that's pretty much inevitable given how it's created < 1441406006 982620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I like the way that anticipation2 shows up clearly as a vibration program, because its "average value of opposing flag at end of game" value is so high (almost 90) < 1441406045 113758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep thinking I should do something more clever about the clustering. I'd play around with our internal machine learning stuff, but somehow I don't think I'd be able to get *that* running on the zemhill VPS. < 1441406068 813493 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1441406079 135034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if I were mentally clustering programs, I'd cluster them by strategy < 1441406091 159620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what they do in each phase of the game (decoy phase / rush phase / lock phase), for example < 1441406125 569009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how you identify the phases, too < 1441406146 469464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(misidentifying them is a common reason for programs to lose, incidentally; but if you have perfect knowledge of the tape it's much easier) < 1441406167 912945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, they don't exactly unambiguously output their strategy in a machine-readable form. But people do impressive semantic stuff for languages and images and all that. I'm sure deep neural nets is the answer. < 1441406169 571486 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1441406212 524245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a program that deduced the strategy of jousters from watching them play might be fun to think about/write < 1441406287 508826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, so /this/ is why growth2 is doing so well: http://zem.fi/egostats/plot_p14_ptapeheat.png < 1441406304 588292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a much higher chance than I expected of successfully figuring out where the enemy flag is first try < 1441406393 640062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also implies to me that growth2 can be reliably beaten via purposely screwing up your clear to start at the wrong place < 1441406402 935860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that'd make your win rate worse against programs generally < 1441407639 166679 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: do you know where it says it was eve who did the toragay poisoning and eluka is not actually eluka? < 1441407844 669218 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1441407921 730973 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:10 < Sgeo_> There were also other new songs a while ago I also think I linked oren, like Drug of Gold ← you linked that to me < 1441407991 213605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Any news on your thesis? < 1441408006 950507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's "online" but not public until December for some reason :-( < 1441408016 306829 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1441408018 806912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's some official date where I officially get a PhD and before then they're not allowed to officially acknowledge it < 1441408027 552490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I bribe someone to get an early copy? < 1441408058 56885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it they're probably holding back the physical copies for the same reason < 1441408076 71105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent over 4 years with it, so I don't really mind waiting a bit longer < 1441408119 690162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What will you be doing after you get a PhD? < 1441408128 183349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you write more theses or what? I don't know how these things work. < 1441408144 807709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently I have a job working on a research compiler (related to my PhD work) < 1441408151 287858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I've already cited my own PhD in code comments < 1441408160 826686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which compiler? < 1441408163 835043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an old version of the compiler's online < 1441408169 262904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.veritygos.org/ < 1441408171 325935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not my website) < 1441408192 740217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't write it singlehandly but it's over 90% my code, I think < 1441408245 893610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You worked with Satnam Singh on this thing? < 1441408256 737617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, mostly to do with recursion < 1441408271 106902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the situation was that we wanted to claim to be the first to do something, and that's a pretty bold claim < 1441408280 787801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Satnam was one of the few people in the best position to know whether it had been done earlier < 1441408439 669885 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1441408638 443560 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, finding previous research can be difficult < 1441408683 40305 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a theorem I proved, then found out that there were three earlier proofs given in the seventies. < 1441408799 416603 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1441409245 677750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Ancient Babylonian Proof < 1441409564 566187 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1441409825 920854 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1441410720 83704 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, http://theevilliouschronicles.wikia.com/wiki/Elluka_Chirclatia#Legacy seems like not one of the songs (for the Elluka isn't Elluka one) < 1441410749 191291 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok. I did read the wiki, but it's not very good with referencing < 1441410784 356805 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, rather, with notes like "this was revealed in X" < 1441410786 153401 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://theevilliouschronicles.wikia.com/wiki/Margarita_Blankenheim says the Eve thing but having trouble finding reference < 1441410834 819084 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the end of the world occurred in one of the books (Seven Crimes and Punishments), that saddens me because I was hoping for a song of it. < 1441410853 324531 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1441410862 166533 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea if it's been translated yet < 1441410863 641985 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book < 1441410871 908589 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It always feels like mothy was building up to some big reveal song regarding the end of the world, and now it's happened? < 1441410875 56295 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, don't know < 1441410880 608723 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read it, do want to