in the generated files
< 1442168488 906634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The <% and %> looks like nicely in the font I am using
< 1442168543 86678 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: allowed by html standard
< 1442168546 700799 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1442168661 634772 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :%:include "stdio.h"
< 1442168814 612273 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(a<:i:>==3)<%printf("%d\n",??-a??(i??))??>
< 1442168825 148874 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Cood14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44169&oldid=44164 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+0) 10
< 1442168836 57414 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: You missed a golden opportunity for ??/
< 1442168860 300940 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: add in some pascal code where [ ] { } have digraphs (. .) (* *) iirc
< 1442168863 117724 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wiat they wrok inside srting!???
< 1442168883 421736 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44170&oldid=43375 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+35) 10/* Example programs */
< 1442168884 640900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: yes, that's the whole point of trigraphs
< 1442168886 17293 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: Yes, trigraphs happen *before tokenizing*.
< 1442168899 691240 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trigraphs are basically implemented via a quick sed before all processing happens.
< 1442168914 581112 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digraphs, on the other hand, or just alternate names for tokens.
< 1442168946 296595 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, but, if you're on a system where { doesn't exist, then what happens if you print "??<"?
< 1442168977 459240 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you're violating spec: { is part of the required character set. :)
< 1442168994 392474 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1442169028 958218 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: you probably get an ä or á
< 1442169041 636608 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeaaah, trigraphs are Really Really Dumb.
< 1442169043 277691 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is actually the same as {
< 1442169056 584994 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are literally required to exist as part of the runtime character set.
< 1442169056 907815 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no
< 1442169058 159838 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an á
< 1442169062 588744 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :an ä or an é
< 1442169066 823143 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1442169085 203824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know my iso-646, sorry
< 1442169140 263900 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442170194 157105 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combine trigraphs with the ternary if
< 1442170356 480540 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442170465 651234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the logical or that the standard uses as example for trigraphs -- ??!??! -- is already p. silly.
< 1442170576 731298 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, that's easier to deal with: %:include  and then just use or
< 1442170793 315699 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442170946 127031 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1442171077 175830 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a header that enables code to be written in 6-bit codes
< 1442171080 575412 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1442171142 468013 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ECMA-1
< 1442171228 595785 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait you'd need something to replace character case
< 1442171655 724293 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442172476 775162 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442172501 97029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: go the whole way and make it 5-bit telegraph codes with shift
< 1442172529 592762 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean 5-bit telegraph codes with two planes and lock shifts
< 1442172752 539444 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's frankly kinda silly the spec permits not-ASCII...
< 1442172793 152450 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: actually there's a proposal that would require C++ compilers to have a mode where they accept utf-8 source files, even if the default mode uses other crazy character sets
< 1442172807 303145 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but you can't require ASCII because C is used on EBCDIC machines actually
< 1442172817 287234 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :requiring ASCII would be unreasonable
< 1442173175 390917 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442173429 681653 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SC0000000000000000000000000FY!
< 1442173466 908698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PART #esoteric :"ENTHUSIASTIC CHICKEN"
< 1442173467 89475 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442173501 113239 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is boily been anyway?
< 1442173505 596230 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada I think#
< 1442173505 797860 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/been //
< 1442173916 162195 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think boily is live at Canada and I also live at Canada
< 1442173954 936620 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't really meant as a geography question.
< 1442173969 123176 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442174441 360312 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what... you're in Canada? I didn't know
< 1442174451 155675 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I- I'm so sorry, zzo38
< 1442174454 2316 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I- I didn't know
< 1442174455 301201 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::,(
< 1442174462 620082 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't most of this channel in Finland anwyay?
< 1442174467 975845 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the rest in the UK?
< 1442174478 416128 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much
< 1442174499 505816 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /don't/ think Finland is part of the UK, b_jonas 
< 1442174505 49690 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm aware, and have had the misfortune of using said machines.
< 1442174557 866848 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm of the opinion that such machines have done more monetary damage than IBM has profited from them.
< 1442174559 644149 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In theory, yes" is the first message I sent when I hold ^
< 1442174560 42972 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh dear. when? for banking?
< 1442174591 216947 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically.
< 1442174605 828872 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: in this century?
< 1442174612 477313 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this *year*.
< 1442174620 212758 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Does anyone have any ideas for slightly esoteric ISAs?"
< 1442174630 184628 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Something about the same level of esotericness as my variable-length instruction VM"
< 1442174632 763694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know!!!
< 1442174647 578985 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BANCStar is evil
< 1442174654 907022 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just have to remind everyone for today
< 1442174673 204855 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: But yeah. EBCDIC is a crime against humanity and not only should it be scoured from the planet, it should be scoured from the timeline.
< 1442174673 755804 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: but it uses fixed length instructions 
< 1442174677 437968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As bad as it is, it isn't quite *that* bad.
< 1442174687 693001 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, IBM's encryption standard.
< 1442174705 219825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like EBCDIC either, it is pretty badly designed. ASCII is better
< 1442174707 413118 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but then you'd need much more complicated hardware in the punch card readers, woudln't you?
< 1442174716 133705 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: same
< 1442174722 668590 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Of couse it does. Therer are fucking /machine codes/ that don't use fixed length inscructions
< 1442174742 856769 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the bright side, if I felt like it I could go brute force login all Internet-exposed mainframes and trash them.
< 1442174765 223642 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Amusingly, no, the *software* being buggy is what prevented them from shipping with ASCII.
< 1442174810 888526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hollerith works for punch cards though, you do not need EBCDIC
< 1442174845 36003 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how would that help?
< 1442174877 438147 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd be unhappy but begrudgingly accept a world in which IBM was merely forced to adopt UTF-EBCDIC.)
< 1442174954 584811 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll grudgingly admit that EBCDIC made some sense with punched cards. Oh and at the time where engineers still were thinking about decimal based computing.
< 1442174962 282893 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like UTF-EBCDIC either, that is just as terrible as real EBCDIC and perhaps more so, but at least it allows you to convert ASCII stuff that isn't in EBCDIC into EBCDIC.
< 1442175026 882086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, although for punch cards I would just use Hollerith anyways (for purely numeric data you could use Postnet instead)
< 1442175030 272803 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Have the decimal IEEE 754 formats ever been implemented in hardware? If so, is any of that hardware still in use today?)
< 1442175036 43903 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: The irony is, EBCDIC *was not intended to ship*.
< 1442175050 995788 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1442175059 830304 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: EBCDIC was a hack extension of the then-legacy BCD junk.
< 1442175067 776432 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those machines *were intended to ship as ASCII*.
< 1442175094 104994 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They shipped with EBCDIC because the software wasn't ported yet, and they never went back and fixed it.
< 1442175109 75265 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IBM literally externalized the cost of their tech debt on everyone else.
< 1442175149 462623 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah, it's not great but it's better than not even representing common characters.
< 1442175150 536404 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: exactly, ebcdic is the way it is because it's easy to read from punch cards. the low four bits are usually read from the lower nine rows of the card, and three bits above are read from the top three rows of the card. and storing letters on the punch cards is a hack when they originally stored numbers only.
< 1442175191 192739 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :decimal numbers. of course.
< 1442175214 18016 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What else?! I wasn't born with 16 fingers!)
< 1442175256 260522 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sure. decimal is enough for sorting census data with card sorting machines. surely the workers can't be expected to convert numbers from decimal to octal and back in their head when computers barely existed.
< 1442175262 559738 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 fingers for homo sapiens sapiens sapiens
< 1442175327 386101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once invented the "FORMCARD" specification, a protocol and file format for transfering form data. Although the protocol uses only ASCII (it is not specific to any transport mechanism, you can use RS-232, telephones, TCP/IP, stored in a file, QR codes, etc), the types of fields are "H" (which stands for "Hollerith"), "P" ("Postnet"), "A" ("Automatic"), and "M" ("Manual"). There is no EBCDIC.
< 1442175347 383307 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say, let's go for it. let's breed mutatant kids to become autistic computing machines. we need this when the machine will turn against us.
< 1442175365 936777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether or not any characters which are not in Hollerith can be entered into a "H" type field is implementation-dependent.
< 1442175397 57944 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :microfilm, punch cards, mutant kids and john connor
< 1442175408 502786 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should lunch.

< 1442175450 863768 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and maybe a poster of kylie minoque to give life a meaning)
< 1442175515 177772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remembered I had stuff also for calculations, expandable fields, formatting (for printout or HTML or whatever), barcodes, namespace URIs, and some others
< 1442175523 119903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this kind of idea?
< 1442175700 352346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can avoid having to make up a separate form for computer and for filling on paper
< 1442175750 852284 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you use html to represent forms?
< 1442175962 71540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML is only if you are doing it on computer in web browser with internet; mine is more general-purpose, also has some more sophisticated features but can be easier to parse than HTML
< 1442175978 277270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no… html can be printed too
< 1442175995 787356 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML+CSS is designed in a way that it can describe printed documents
< 1442176031 113614 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it can, but HTML forms aren't so good for printout (you could use CSS too, but that still requires you to format it yourself)
< 1442176050 98739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor does it allow forms like Scantron forms to be used, or punch cards
< 1442176063 401015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it still requires a web browser.
< 1442176080 857793 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so you want one of those forms with little rectangles reserved for each handwritten character, which the tax bureau uses?
< 1442176097 476246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it requires a web browser for whoever designs the forms and prints them,
< 1442176107 317384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for the people who get the printed form and fill it with handwriting
< 1442176110 328124 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442176148 469821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, one box per character is also a way to format them, but the formatting should be independent
< 1442176198 111514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORMCARD is design a common protocol instead; you can have them convert to HTML or DVI or whatever, and even if you want, to convert the HTTP post data back into FORMCARD data on the back end, although these are only some possibilities, not all.
< 1442176283 777659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORMCARD supports formatting hints, but rather the hint specifies stuff like "important" or "required" or "office use only" or which fields should be grouped together in rows/columns, not such things as how exactly it looks like or the font size or color or anything like that.
< 1442176627 840455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another possible form layout you might use is if you have the boxes to write each character and underneath also the circles you can fill in and the computer will scan it; you could use Hollerith or Postnet for filling in such things, is one way
< 1442176689 941076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm… not sure the tax bureau would like if I used Hollerith to fill my tax forms. And how'd I even type the "á" in the name or address?
< 1442176763 422837 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you first have to apply for an ascii name.
< 1442176781 720586 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or move)
< 1442176796 922963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not say the tax bureau (or anyone else) has to use it
< 1442176815 264850 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there might be a boostrapping problem there, I might need to write my old name to apply for a new one.
< 1442176829 695163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like, they don't have to use HTML, they don't have to use FORMCARD either.
< 1442176853 695337 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still has trouble distinguishing between zzo38 discussing established standards and zzo38 discussing his own pet projects.

< 1442176874 654537 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you don't say
< 1442176878 28734 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure. they use that crazy java-based form filling program instead, and then refuse to help people when the program has a bug and doesn't allow entering their valid data.
< 1442177095 977233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least you can extract the html version of the guide from the java program (just unzip it), whereas otherwise it's available only as a pdf.
< 1442177124 403901 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442177125 779066 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to use Java either, clearly
< 1442177136 523654 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should do that automatically for all their forms and put the htmls up on the web so that people or web crawlers can access the html versions.
< 1442177142 284327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked, their license allows it.
< 1442177158 112775 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says I can redistribute their guides in unmodified form.
< 1442177170 804785 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once thought it was a good idea to have an online voting sytem for elections. then I realized if we did that, the top candidates would be harry dick, bob loblaws, and hitler didnothingwrong
< 1442177179 460824 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y not use .MD?
< 1442177218 314220 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, I want to keep the election system paper-based
< 1442177233 926051 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better. just use one of the hundreds of .MD -> HTML serving engines/templates
< 1442177252 766568 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :markdown is total and complete shit that's why
< 1442177276 819427 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( you're in a maze of twisty markdown processors, all different )
< 1442177278 804815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Markdown doesn't seem so good for forms anyways
< 1442177281 616914 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cookie?
< 1442177294 864235 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yummyumm*
< 1442177323 462277 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no cookie, thought bubble
< 1442177326 484133 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even create tables wth | pipes
< 1442177379 52356 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you want input forms.
< 1442177550 709654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree to keep the election system paper-based
< 1442177738 524961 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care either way, because once I achieve world domination, any remaining elections won't influence anything anyway.
< 1442177887 288527 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need the elections just to make the people elect, silly.
< 1442177892 40782 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;>
< 1442177940 407073 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's part of a good world domination plan
< 1442178061 61012 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :world domination may be overrated anyway
< 1442178185 904517 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442178298 75725 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1442178661 101379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elite-1: sure, they're elect a parliment that doesn't have any power. 
< 1442178667 76407 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't really care how they do that.
< 1442179682 710367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442180503 608788 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1442181214 348057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's not confusion, it's knowing that I have ADHD and will likely start more than 12 projects xD
< 1442181224 445181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I still don't understand coroutines
< 1442181234 754667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coroutines are the ADHD of programming hth
< 1442181260 633607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're doing one routine, and then *poof* you're doing another instead
< 1442181349 805707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also y'all talk to much
< 1442181354 103182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too
< 1442181522 414988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's been entirely silent for, like, an hour.
< 1442181695 568154 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another channel is wondering if the reason I am like I am is because my eyebrows, despite their volume, can't express anger
< 1442181908 598289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :try applying war paint hth
< 1442182016 543905 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1442182031 682648 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the way I am includes rarely expressing anger)
< 1442182164 356060 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also includes voluminous but calm eyebrows?
< 1442182171 442155 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1442182176 65928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: have you played factorio twh
< 1442182179 788671 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1442182196 50967 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should probably go in wisdom.pdf
< 1442182198 123383 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have not, what is factorio
< 1442182216 381308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a game where you build and automate things
< 1442182271 344923 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link?
< 1442182411 743770 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442182633 720066 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1442182657 322305 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1442182667 462330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.factorio.com/
< 1442182836 141756 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks awesome
< 1442182883 801694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a multiplayer game going.
< 1442183055 914066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? taneb
< 1442183065 501044 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, is this the zachtronics thign
< 1442183066 623449 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, and cube root of five genders. (See also: tanebventions)
< 1442183142 652062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/and //;s/genders./genders, and voluminous but calm eyebrows./' wisdom/taneb
< 1442183146 352385 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1442183149 471635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? taneb
< 1442183150 163524 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of five genders, and voluminous but calm eyebrows. (See also: tanebventions)
< 1442183179 595249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ashl: hth
< 1442183187 264040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no
< 1442183219 910711 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, it's not
< 1442183303 742332 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1442183697 851698 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1442184971 293404 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there program to send DVI to fax?
< 1442185992 33081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e  where is boily been anyway? <-- i think he went to singapore or something like that? it's in the logs somewhere.
< 1442185992 252044 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442186089 95908 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell laura i love her
< 1442186089 276524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442186129 7250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is starting to get the hang of closing duplicate SO questions

< 1442186357 607129 :ayylmao!~kline@unaffiliated/kline NICK :kline
< 1442186399 190997 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are fax services, though most of them cost money. in fact analogue fax services drop off a lot. folks tend to give a fax more credibility like for authenticity of documents.
< 1442186399 814680 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, "This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down" is sort of a hilarious error message.
< 1442186412 699787 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@zzo38: dvi?
< 1442186412 877673 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1442186417 695025 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: dvi?
< 1442186441 556110 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elite-1: Which is pretty goofy.
< 1442186443 89395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVI is device indepentent format for printing documents
< 1442186453 354591 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. in the end, yeah.
< 1442186458 25108 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many users of Windows 95 do you think knew what "performed an illegal operation" meant?
< 1442186465 715022 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's not even as though common fax is analog.
< 1442186485 665076 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, yes.
< 1442186500 985896 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's digital sent through a modem. :)
< 1442186517 561017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you are at a hotel and you do not have a printer then you could try to send it to the hotel's fax machine. I have even seen a hotel room that has a fax line on the wall.
< 1442186554 289753 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like a copy. you get this receipt. and, like a timestamp for the transaction.
< 1442186603 284753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elite-1: there's actually a user with nick laura, she might get a bit confused
< 1442186620 111081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elite-1: Please on't abuse lambdabot.
< 1442186632 738026 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell laura hi..sorry. i was just testing sth
< 1442186632 915435 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1442186656 795329 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442186672 283748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sth
< 1442186672 944471 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sth? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1442186691 209445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap lambdabot 
< 1442186691 390409 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits lambdabot  with an assortment of kitchen utensils

< 1442186697 418048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you were saying?
< 1442186739 913571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lambdabot is excluded from the lambdabot abuse rule
< 1442186749 438083 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn sth/"sth" is short for "something that hibernates".
< 1442186749 618742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If I catch *you* doing anything, though...
< 1442186751 767151 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «sth»
< 1442186764 919033 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not want to abuse people. but i alwys do that with robots.
< 1442186786 275116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus we doom humanity
< 1442186796 228127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(again)
< 1442186797 66572 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems so.
< 1442186804 830931 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grumble* I need to upgrade my OpenWRT router again.
< 1442186814 872046 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this time it's goin to be a ball
< 1442186820 233922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: open wrt what?
< 1442186838 463432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elite-1: what kind of ball? neutronium?
< 1442186839 527428 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenWRT is a Linux distro that runs on consumer routers.
< 1442186850 522774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1442186855 682742 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only unfortunate thing about it is, upgrading it is not super nice.
< 1442186878 208535 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. that's further out than i stand now.. so..erm. probably not.
< 1442186880 895767 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(courtesy of being a "flash the firmware" type of deal rather than "run apt-get update" deal)
< 1442186886 761187 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for playing anyway.
< 1442186903 640341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also i've already constructed unsafeCoerce in lambdabot several times, you know
< 1442186946 134319 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's otherwise quite nice though.
< 1442186956 509384 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's perhaps the least sucky consumer router I've dealt with yet.
< 1442187046 244487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did you ever *actually* do it in lambdabot?
< 1442187233 429186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure i got to the > uc 'a' --> 97 stage
< 1442187255 439093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sort of my standard test case now
< 1442187263 446926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+ :: Int
< 1442187276 277268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, I was thinking of running IO.
< 1442187293 730398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I never did because I didn't want to crash it, among other reasons.
< 1442187318 254649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway they were all variations of #10000, right?
< 1442187331 491985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah as a mathematician i refer that to the "it's obviously possible" case, then go back to bed with the fire burning
< 1442187357 10839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think so?
< 1442187374 86098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think lambdabot supports the ghci type family thing i found later
< 1442187402 849611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :being as L.hs is an actual file and not a real GHCi prompt
< 1442187446 268221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect IO is insufficient to crash it nowadays.
< 1442187466 408924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the type family thing was different, yes.
< 1442187481 23567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that only works in ghci, with multiple lines in the same session.
< 1442187485 872866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1442187509 983932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's slightly more flexible without Safe mode
< 1442187523 537904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can put some of the stuff in modules, and just load two conflicting ones
< 1442187561 827107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but they must be loaded from GHCi, otherwise the overlap check triggers)
< 1442187599 27110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that bug has been fixed yet, i don't recall any patch on the trac
< 1442187706 741224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as a mathematician can you find an md5 collision to violate safehaskell with twh
< 1442187719 581108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be neat
< 1442187739 211089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are TypeRep fingerprints using that?
< 1442187810 959113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so md5 is reasonably unsafe
< 1442187829 982179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but engineering a collision by composing types still seems quite a bit of work
< 1442187993 298276 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1442188191 236521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/7634
< 1442188225 970919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note that the description there is probably no longer accurate with the new TypeRep changes.)
< 1442188236 563313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, maybe it still is.)
< 1442188249 767120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :already reading it
< 1442188328 619519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The constraints are pretty strict.
< 1442188335 616087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of bits are forced to be 0.
< 1442188747 448391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my intuition would imply that a large number of fixed bits would _increase_ the chance of collision, by making the space smaller overall?
< 1442188799 661550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of bits of the input, I mean. Or maybe I don't follow?